November 13, 2025 • 28 mins
Ken Rosenthal starts the show with news the Padres are exploring a sale. (Top of show).
(1:47) He also unpacks his NL Cy Young ballot following Paul Skenes’ unanimous win last night.
(4:31) Looking ahead to tonight’s AL MVP announcement: why fans can celebrate both New York Yankees slugger Aaron Judge and Seattle Mariners star Cal Raleigh regardless of who wins.
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(8:30) Ken expects Shohei Ohtani will win NL MVP tonight - his 4th MVP award in 5 seasons!
(9:06) Ken also explores the closer free agent market this offseason.
(11:59) Grillin' Ken answers your questions, including Buxton possible fit in Atlanta, factoring in ballpark adjustments with voting, a Dodgers package to land Paul Skenes, the relief trade market & big market teams approaching a salary cap.
(19:47) Ken crowns his Dude & Dork of the Week.
(25:07) A closer look at how Paul DePodesta intends to lead the Rockies.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm
Ken Rosenthal, flying solo today. Noahlna Rizzo, no Scott Braun.
You're stuck with me. But the good news is we've
got plenty to discuss, starting with news that just broke
this morning out of San Diego. The Padres are exploring
a strategic sale of the club, which means the owners
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are going to try to sell the team. To explain
this briefly, this was kind of inevitable once Peter Sidler
passed away late in twenty twenty three, and you might
recall about a year ago, a little less than a
year ago, Sidler's widow sued two of his brothers for
control of the team. And now we hear today that
they are indeed going to be sold, and presumably that
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would help resolve the legal dispute which is ongoing. What
does this mean, Well, when Peter Sidler passed, we all
knew that there was never going to be another owner
like him. He transformed baseball in San Diego with the
way he invested in the team. The city and the
people in San Diego that area responded in great numbers.
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The tendance has been amazing. They've had an issue with
their TV deal. Lit'll shake into The LA Times also
noted this morning cash flow might be an issue. So
there are some issues there, problems, some long term contracts
that eventually could haunt them. But it's going to be
really interesting to see how this plays out. Now, it's
not FATA complete. This will happen. If you recall, in
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recent years, the LA Angels were for sale, the Minnesota
Twins were for sale, the Washington Nationals were for sale,
and eventually we're pulled off the market. But this is
a first step toward selling the San Diego Padres, and
it is something obviously we'll all be paying close attention
to in the days, weeks, and perhaps even years ahead.
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All Right, it's award season and I want to get
into the AL MVP and NL MVP, both of which
will be announced tonight. But first I want to reveal
my Cy Young ballot for the National League Say Young Award.
That was the only category in which I voted this season,
and I'll explain how I voted because it's kind of interesting,
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not for who I voted for. First, that was obvious,
Paul Skein's unanimous winner as well, he should have been
with his sub two era brilliant season for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
The real issue for me, and i'll show you my
ballot now, was Logan Web. Now, when I vote for
cy Young, I generally am someone who prefers innings, who
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prefers volume. I weigh that very heavily. But you see
my ballot there, Logan Web, the National League leader and
innings pitch this season is nowhere on there. And he
had a good season. It wasn't like he was someone
who just threw a lot of innings with a five VRA. No,
not like that at all. So why did I go
against what I normally do? Why was I inconsistent here?
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As voters sometimes are with these things. I just felt
that even though Web led the league ins dragouts, he
also led the league in hits aloud. Now this is
partly a reflection of him pitching two hundred and seven innings,
but I felt that at the bottom of the ballot
Freddie Peralta and Nick Pavetta. Both those guys their performances,
albeit in fewer innings twenty five fewer innings approximately in
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Pavetta's case, about thirty fewer in Paralta's case, I just
felt that they outperformed Web when they were on the mound. Now,
when you pitch more innings, it's harder to sustain excellence
the way you might if you're pitching one hundred and
seventy one hundred and eighty innings like Paveta and Paralta were.
But I look at opponents ops and this is just
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one measure, and Pavetta was third in opponents ops in
the league, behind Yamamoto and Skeins, and then Sanchez, Christopher
Sanchez was fourth, Paralta fifth, Again one measure. Now, Logan
Webb the problem with excluding him. This is the thing
I struggled with. He led the league, or he was
one of the leaders. I believe in strikeout to walk
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ratio he was third, and he also was the victim somewhat.
It seems of poor luck, very high batting average on
balls and play opponent's batting average on balls and play.
But in the end, we can look at expected numbers,
we can look at what should have happened. I just
felt the Web was a guy who was gonna do
better with war because that honors volume. I just felt
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that Paveda and Peralta were more deserving. I didn't think
the top three were any question at all, Skien, Sanchez
and Yamamoto. So that's how I voted. I'm not sure
it's right, that's the way I went about it, all right, now,
al MVP tonight. I've said this before and I'll say
it again here. I'm kind of grateful that I didn't
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have a vote for this award this year. And yeah,
it's a little bit of a cop out when I
say that, because to me, it's always an honor to
vote for any award, and we all take it pretty
seriously as you can hear. And I'm sure see when
you see writers analyze what they did. But with the
al MVP, it's like and oranges with Judge and Raleigh,
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And to me, there is no wrong answer. I'll say
it again, no wrong answer. I expect Judge is going
to win. I don't know by how much. It's just
my hunch. I don't have any inside information on that.
But the reason I expect Judge to win is that
for all Raleigh accomplished, and he had a historic season
record for a switch hitter home runs record for a
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catcher home runs for all that and all that he
did as a catcher defensively, all that can't be measured
intangibly two hundred points in ops, which is what the
gap was almost in the end, almost two hundred points
judge over Raleigh. That's going to be difficult for Raleigh
to overcome with voters. Now you see the ops gap there,
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you also see the difference in war. I don't take
war seriously when it comes to catchers. I don't believe
that war, which is an estimate to begin with, fully
accounts for everything a catcher can do. What a catcher
does intangibly is lead a pitching staff, work with all
pitchers that come into play. For the Seattle Mariners, in
Raleigh's case this year and as justin Hollander their GM,
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the Mariners GM pointed out, there is an emotional toll
with catching that is different than just hitting, or even
playing the field and hitting. And the emotional toll is, well,
if you go for four in a given night, okay,
you kind of think about your bats. If you go
for four and you've caught one hundred and forty five
pitches that night, and maybe three of them went awry,
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and you're wondering about that and how that could have
been different. That's a mental taxation that the average position
player does not experience. That said Aaron Judges. Aaron Judge.
He is an amazing performer, as is Raleigh, and I
just don't know how exactly this is going to turn out.
I know voters are split on this. I know that
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I know Raley's going to get a certain number of
first place votes, and he should. But as I've said before,
I'd almost like to see it end in a tie,
which would be hard to do. The way the voting
is tabulated now, we can still appreciate Raleigh's year, of course,
even if Judge is the ultimate winner. Tonight and Dan
Shaughnessy the Boston Globe, a writer who has been honored
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by the Hall of Fame with the BBWA Excellence Award
Career Excellence Award. He had a column in which he
explained ted Williams triple crown in nineteen forty two and
nineteen forty seven, finished second both times, I believe, to
Joe DiMaggio in both. One year he had four h
six That was in nineteen forty one. He also came
in second to Joe DiMaggio. Stan Musial for second place finishes,
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and you see what Ted did right there. Those were
pretty good years in which he didn't win at MVP,
and catching is a tough position to win from. Only
two catchers have won since nineteen ninety nine, Joe Mauer
in two thousand and nine, Buster Posey in twenty twelve.
So it's going to be an uphill battle for Raley.
It was always going to be an uphill battle. But
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we can all remember what was an amazing season by
an amazing player. It will never be forgotten. And if
he doesn't win an MVP award, well that's only one
measure of a player and a player's greatness, and I
don't know that it will take anything away from cal Raley.
Obviously you want to win it, you want that on
your name forever. But if he doesn't win it, he
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still got I don't know, the record for most home
runs by a sweat t raeder, the record for most
home runs bad a catcher, and the memories he created
for fans all season long, National League MVP. We know
it's going to happen. It's going to be Otani unanimously again.
This will be his fourth MVP award in five seasons.
He has had an incredible career this year. Of course,
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he did it differently than last year. Last year, hey,
you remember he was not able to pitch, and he
stole all those bases and did it that way fifty
to fifty. This year he's pitching again and while the
offensive numbers maybe weren't quite as great, he just had
that all around season, all right. Finally, before we go
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into the Grill and Ken's segment of the show, there's
a lot we've written at the Athletic over the last
couple of days about the closure market. The closer market
is quite robust because there are quite a number of
good closures available. Edwin Diaz, Devin Williams go right down
the list. There's a bunch of others too. I'm thinking
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of Ryan Helsley, Luke Weaver. You can go right down
the line, racil igalaci As, Pete Fairbanks. Obviously some of
these guys are more highly regarded than others, but it's
a big list. And you see today in our notes Calm,
the one I wrote with Will Salmon and Katie Wu
there's a note about the Red Sox maybe finding or
signing a closer, even though they have Chapman. Someone who
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would pitch the eighth inning with Chapman there and then
perhaps supplant him ultimately is the closer once Chapman is
not Chapman anymore, and perhaps that won't happen anytime soon.
The Orioles looking for a closer, the Blue Jays looking
for a closure. The Mets have to figure out whether
it's Diaz or someone else. The Dodgers too, looking for
a late inning reliever. They've been one of the teams
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linked to Devin Williams. Will Salmon of The Athletic had
a terrific story on Williams yesterday and just how his
season statistically was a bit misleading. You have to dig
deeper and look into some of the things that were
going on to really understand what happened with Williams, and
I forgot to mention with the closers. Robert Suarez another
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fine closer available in free agency. There also might be
some traded, So that's going to be a market that's
going to be really interesting to watch. It's going to be,
I would think, quite lucrative for the pitchers at the top.
When Diaz is seeking a deal much like the one
he's signed with the METS before opting out of this
one five years, one hundred and two million. Will he
get that? I don't know, but these guys, for the
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most part, they're going to get paid. All right. With that,
we close out the first segment. We will be right
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All. Right, here we go. Time now for grilling Ken,
the part of the show where I answer your questions.
Let's not waste any time, Let's get right to them.
First question comes from Tyler Maxsmith, who asked, do you
see the Braves restarting Byron Buxton trade talks? I know
Anthopolis said he is prioritizing a shortstop and a starter,
but he's proven what he says and what he actually
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does are two different things. Tyler, you are a smart
person because Alexanthopolis, the way he operates, going back to
his days in Toronto, he is someone who kind of
is stealth and often when you see names attached to
the Braves, those aren't the names that he is looking at.
The managerial search was just the latest example of that.
So Buxton really interesting situation in Minnesota. If you've been
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reading Dan Hayes and The Athletic and even I wrote
about this a little bit this week as well. The
Twins are in a funny position. Their president of baseball
operations Derek Falvey clearly wants to build the team up
again and not continue tearing down, not continue what they
started at the deadline. That would mean keeping Joe Ryan,
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keeping Pablo Lopez, and yes keeping Byron Buxton. Dan wrote
a story yesterday saying that if they do tear down,
then Buxton, who has been adamant about wanting to stay
in Minnesota, might have a change of heart because obviously
you're not gonna want to play for a team completely
rebuilding a team that's going to be far away from contention. Now.
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Buxton is from Georgia. We all know that, and he
would be someone I would think almost every team would
be interested in. The Braves have a center fielder, Michael
Harris the second and a darn good one. They do
have other priorities, so I do not see them necessarily
getting involved in the Buxton sweepstakes, if indeed they become
Buxton Sweepstakes, We're actually a long way from that. What
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happens now is we have to see what the Twins'
budget is going to be. They don't even know yet.
Owners have not given the word yet. Aj Presentski asked me,
how can owners not know the budgets yet, And I
asked that question last night here at the GM meetings
and was told that with the TV money, the local
TV money, a lot of times it comes in late
and they're kind of assessing as they go along. So
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we have to see what the Twins direction is going
to be, and we have to see if indeed it
leads to a point where they're even interested or entertaining
the idea of trading. Byron Buxton. All right, let's go.
Next question. This one is from Justin Long, who asks
do you factor in picture friendly ballparks versus hitter friendly
ballparks into your voting? Yes? Good question. And in the
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case of Paveta, he's pitching in a picture friendly ballpark.
Web two is a picture friendly ballpark, Yamamoto Dodger Stadium's
kind of neutral schemes PNC is more or less neutral,
I believe. But I do consider kind of all these
things that less than others because it doesn't often play
a major role. Most of these pit they're at the
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top of their game. They're good on the road as
well at home, no matter where they're pitching, so it's
not necessarily a front and center thing. But sure, in
certain cases you're gonna look at that and factor that
in as well. All right, next question, let's see what
we got here. So you've we got anything here? All right?
Here we go Dialvarez who asked, oh, what a package
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of She and Stone, Rushing and other prospects get a
trade done for Skins to the Dodgers. Nice try For
one thing, Paul Skeins is not getting traded. For another thing,
If he was getting traded at this point, it would
take a heck of a lot more than She and
Stone and Rushing. But one point here that I want
to make with regard to the Dodgers, and I did
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not realize this until our Beat writer Fabian Ardaya reminded
me of it. Next year, their starting pitching depth is
going to be incredible. Why, Gavin Stone is coming back
from surgery, River Ryan is coming back from surgery, and
they've got all the guys that, of course played such
prominent roles for them this year as well. So they're
going to be in a really good position. And Michean
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will be a year into his career at that point
and should be ready to contribute even more. They'll probably
have more starters than they know what to do with.
But as for Skens. No, he's not getting traded yet.
Do I expect ultimately he will perhaps, but he was
pretty adamant on his conference call last night about wanting
to win in Pittsburgh and kind of showing the twenty
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nine other fan base is that this is what the
pirates and he want to do. All right. Next question,
This one comes from Armando Armandez amazing. He says, Ken,
have you heard about any relievers on the trade market.
We've seen one reliever traded, Andrew Kittridge from the Cubs
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back to the Orioles. Pete Fairbanks was available until the
Rays declined his eleven million dollar option obviously did not
get traded. I am certain that there are relievers available.
I haven't heard any specific names about what teams might consider.
There are guys, though, but free agency is probably the
first choice for many teams with regard to relievers, because
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there are a number of them out there, and it's
easier to sign a free agent than to trade prospects
for a reliever, especially when relievers are so vital. All right,
next question, let's see what we have. This one comes
from I can't even pronounce this zoo zld Ken with
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the CBA and looming salary cap being pushed by MLB,
the MLB. No, it's not the MLB, it's MLB. I'm curious.
Are the big spending teams pushing back against the salary
cap because they draw a lot more because of the
big stars. You're asking a good question here, And here's
why it's a good question because often with CBA talks,
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it's not just players versus owners, it's owners versus owners.
Large market owners have different interests than small market owners.
Now there is a world where I am sure big
market owners would maybe we'll welcome a salary cap because
it would limit what they could spend. They wouldn't have
to go out and outspend everyone else. They'd be limited
and what they could do, and that would give them
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as well as the small market teams cause certainty. But
a lot will depend on the TV deals as well,
and how Baseball ultimately figures that out and whether they
distribute the revenue from that kind of in an even manner.
I don't know how it's going to play out. So
the question is will there be a dispute between big
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market and small market teams about a cap? I can
see a world where Rob Manfred convinces everyone that a
cap is in their best interests. But as for a
competitive advantage right now, Yes, the Dodgers, the Yankees, the
Mats Phillies, they have a huge competitive advantage because they
can spend without restriction or without much restriction. There is
a luxury tax threshold in there as much as they want. Okay,
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what else do we have? But we don't know anything.
What we have coming up are the UDEs and dorks
of the week. It'll just be solo this week. Dude
and Dork of the week coming up right after.
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Dude, Dude, dude, all right, Dude of the week. Now,
this is an interesting question this week, and I'm I
want to harken back to the Manager of the Year voting.
A lot of Blue Jays fans were quite upset when
Steven voted the Cleveland Guardians beat out John Schneider of
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the Toronto Blue Jays. John Schneider certainly a candidate for
due to the week great season. I personally felt Stephen
vote getting to the playoffs and winning the Ale Central
with that team going nineteen and four down the stretch
without class A and Ortiz and all that happened to them,
I personally thought he should have been Manager of the
Year simply because of that. He didn't have the team
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John Schneider did. But I digress. My Dude of the
Week is another manager who was snubbed in the Manager
of the Year voting, and that is Dave Roberts. Now,
keep in mind, the Managers of the Year are selected
based strictly on regular season performance. The ballots have to
be in before the playoffs start. But Dave Roberts this
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year beat all three National League Manager of the Year
finalists Terry Francona, Pat Murphy, and Rob Thompson in the playoffs,
all three of them. So that's kind of dude worthy,
I would think. And certainly what Roberts has done with
the Dodgers, winning three World Series, all those division titles,
everything that he's accomplished in the regular season. Yes, he's
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had great teams, we all know that. But you can
screw up a bad team. You can just look to
New York to see how that happened in the Mets situation.
In Yankees, not the manager's fault necessarily, but the point
is you don't have a guarantee of winning even with
a big money, star laden team. Dave Roberts has won.
He's headed to the Hall of Fame, and for that
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he is my dude of the week. All right, let's
break and go to the next segment we have here.
That would be dork of the Week. All right, dork
of the Week. The obvious choices would be the two
Cats who were indicted by the federal government in an
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indictment that was unsealed Sunday like prosecutors in Brooklyn, Emmanuel
Classe and Louis Ortiz. Easy to name them dorks the Week,
but innocent until proven guilty. Their lawyers insist their innocent,
even though the indictment reads pretty specifically about what they did.
I'm not going there with those two guys. I'm gonna
go to the world of music for my dork of
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the Week, the world of rap music, and I'm gonna
give it to Drake. Drake, of course, who has taken
one hit after another in his beef with Kendrick Lamar.
He's kind of lost that thing time and time again.
Well here it is already again, I should say Drake
ticking off the Los Angeles Dodgers. He's a Blue Jay
fan and you see what he tweeted there or put
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on his Instagram, and the Dodgers took exception. The Dodgers,
I mean, this is kind of silly, but they drew
motivation from it. Drake, maybe you need to stay in
your lane here. It is exclusive from TMZ. Drake going
after Shoho Tani during the World Series actually backfired hard.
Miguil Rojas tells TMC Sports the locker room definitely took notice.
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Of the rapper taking shots at their superstar teammate, and
they didn't like it one bit. Drake Man, you're on
the wrong side again. Dude, you're the dork of the week.
All right, So let's get to one more question before
we end the show today, at least the television side,
We've got a Dodger's question. Here goes, for the Dodgers
to trade for Kwan, who would you most likely see
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getting sent I'm sorry, I don't see the rest of
the question. First of all, I don't know that the
Dodgers are going to trade for Kwan, and they were
interested at the deadline, and remember it didn't happen. The
Guardians generally are considered a difficult team to deal with,
and it's not that Chris Antonetti and Mike Turner off,
their heads of baseball operations, are difficult human beings. It's
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just that they set the bar a certain level, and
if you meet that level, you can make a trade,
and if you don't, there's no trade. And that's the
way they operate. Now. I would imagine the Dodgers, in
need of outfield help, will again explore the Quan situation,
But I just don't know that it's going to lead
to anything. The Guardians are desperate for offense. They've got
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Jose Ramirez, they've got Kwan, and they've got a bunch
of guys that there's hope. There's some younger players coming
too that could impact players for them. But if they
trade Kwan, unless they're getting something really good back, it's
difficult to imagine them competing at the level that they
have in the last couple of years, which is at
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an extremely high level. So I don't expect the Quan
trade to happen. Clearly, if the Dodgers did it, they've
got a bunch of outfield prospects, not really all that
close to the majors some of them, but they could
start the deal with some of those names, include some pitching,
and maybe then the Guardians would be tempted. I'm not
sure Kwan is a great fit for anyone, low chase
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rate ball and play all the time, really good player,
So again, I don't see it happening. But it's the
off season, and I always say this offseason deadline whenever
things will happen that make our head spin, and I
expect things that happened this offseason to make our head
spin again. I have one more thing I want to
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discuss before we closed out the show for the week,
before I leave Las Vegas, where the GM meetings have
been held this week. Not too sorry to be leaving
Las Vegas, by the way. It's an interesting place. It's
not the greatest place for a GM meeting. There are
a lot of distractions for the writers, for the executives now. Seriously,
everybody's kind of locked in. They're not messing around. Maybe
a little bit at the gaming tables and the slot machines,
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but that's about it. But the topic I want to
discuss is really an interesting one because it's one of
the most fascinating things that's happened to baseball this season
and maybe in the last couple of years, and that
is the return of Paul D. Podesta to the sport
after ten years in the NFL with the Cleveland Browns.
He is taking over the Colorado Rockies. And Andy McCullough
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today has an amazing story about how things have changed
in the last ten years. Andy talked to executives from
around the game here at the GM meetings and he said,
or he wrote basically what he heard, which is that
so much has changed. Some of the things he mentioned
were that players get to the big leagues much sooner,
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even those coming out of high school. Obviously, technology has
changed track Man, you see it right there in the
headline of the story. Launch angle was not a thing
ten years ago, and just in general, there is so
much that is different now. Paul de Podesta is one
of the smartest people you will ever meet, and he's
worked obviously in baseball for quite some time. Did before
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he joined the Browns, he was with the Oakland a's
guy that was famous for what he was portrayed as
in Moneyball. Then he went to the Los Angeles Dodgers
became their general manager at thirty one under the mccurts.
It was a mess, partly due to the mccourts and
Paul Baby was not ready for the job. And then
with the Mets and the Padres as well. This is
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someone who is again extremely intelligent. He is also inheriting
a team that really is nowhere to go but up
after a historically bad twenty twenty five seasons. So the
consensus is then he'll get up to speed, and he'll
get up to speed pretty quickly. But so much has
changed in ten years in this sport, and I am
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sure for Deep Podesta there's going to be a little
bit of culture shock. Now. Whether he can turn this around,
how quickly he can turn this around, it remains to
be seen. The Rockies are the Rubik's Cube of baseball.
It's difficult to find the solution. No one really has
long term. They've had some seasons in which they made
the playoffs two thousand and seven, of course, they made
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it to the World Series. They've had some seasons in
which they were pretty competitive. But pitching, in particular at
altitude is something that no one has figured out yet,
and it's going to be difficult for Deepedesta to do it.
But he's essentially starting from scratch. He has a team
where he can build in any direction that he wants
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to build in, and with that, I expect that it's
going to be a really interesting ride. I don't know
if he will succeed, but he will bring new ideas
to the table. He will certainly have his own perspectives.
And the Rockies, for so long so irrelevant, the team
that barely is worth paying attention to. Now are a
team that you're gonna look at and say, Okay, what's
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going on with those guys all right. I want to
thank everyone for watching, for listening both on YouTube and
on our television outlets. Foul Territory is next. Heidi Watney
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Chris Catillo will be the guests. Fair Territory returns Monday
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at ten am. Have a great weekend everyone, Thanks for watching,
Thanks for listening.
Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm
Ken Rosenthal, flying solo today. Noahlna Rizzo, no Scott Braun.
You're stuck with me. But the good news is we've
got plenty to discuss, starting with news that just broke
this morning out of San Diego. The Padres are exploring
a strategic sale of the club, which means the owners
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are going to try to sell the team. To explain
this briefly, this was kind of inevitable once Peter Sidler
passed away late in twenty twenty three, and you might
recall about a year ago, a little less than a
year ago, Sidler's widow sued two of his brothers for
control of the team. And now we hear today that
they are indeed going to be sold, and presumably that
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would help resolve the legal dispute which is ongoing. What
does this mean, Well, when Peter Sidler passed, we all
knew that there was never going to be another owner
like him. He transformed baseball in San Diego with the
way he invested in the team. The city and the
people in San Diego that area responded in great numbers.
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The tendance has been amazing. They've had an issue with
their TV deal. Lit'll shake into The LA Times also
noted this morning cash flow might be an issue. So
there are some issues there, problems, some long term contracts
that eventually could haunt them. But it's going to be
really interesting to see how this plays out. Now, it's
not FATA complete. This will happen. If you recall, in
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recent years, the LA Angels were for sale, the Minnesota
Twins were for sale, the Washington Nationals were for sale,
and eventually we're pulled off the market. But this is
a first step toward selling the San Diego Padres, and
it is something obviously we'll all be paying close attention
to in the days, weeks, and perhaps even years ahead.
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All Right, it's award season and I want to get
into the AL MVP and NL MVP, both of which
will be announced tonight. But first I want to reveal
my Cy Young ballot for the National League Say Young Award.
That was the only category in which I voted this season,
and I'll explain how I voted because it's kind of interesting,
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not for who I voted for. First, that was obvious,
Paul Skein's unanimous winner as well, he should have been
with his sub two era brilliant season for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
The real issue for me, and i'll show you my
ballot now, was Logan Web. Now, when I vote for
cy Young, I generally am someone who prefers innings, who
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prefers volume. I weigh that very heavily. But you see
my ballot there, Logan Web, the National League leader and
innings pitch this season is nowhere on there. And he
had a good season. It wasn't like he was someone
who just threw a lot of innings with a five VRA. No,
not like that at all. So why did I go
against what I normally do? Why was I inconsistent here?
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As voters sometimes are with these things. I just felt
that even though Web led the league ins dragouts, he
also led the league in hits aloud. Now this is
partly a reflection of him pitching two hundred and seven innings,
but I felt that at the bottom of the ballot
Freddie Peralta and Nick Pavetta. Both those guys their performances,
albeit in fewer innings twenty five fewer innings approximately in
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Pavetta's case, about thirty fewer in Paralta's case, I just
felt that they outperformed Web when they were on the mound. Now,
when you pitch more innings, it's harder to sustain excellence
the way you might if you're pitching one hundred and
seventy one hundred and eighty innings like Paveta and Paralta were.
But I look at opponents ops and this is just
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one measure, and Pavetta was third in opponents ops in
the league, behind Yamamoto and Skeins, and then Sanchez, Christopher
Sanchez was fourth, Paralta fifth, Again one measure. Now, Logan
Webb the problem with excluding him. This is the thing
I struggled with. He led the league, or he was
one of the leaders. I believe in strikeout to walk
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ratio he was third, and he also was the victim somewhat.
It seems of poor luck, very high batting average on
balls and play opponent's batting average on balls and play.
But in the end, we can look at expected numbers,
we can look at what should have happened. I just
felt the Web was a guy who was gonna do
better with war because that honors volume. I just felt
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that Paveda and Peralta were more deserving. I didn't think
the top three were any question at all, Skien, Sanchez
and Yamamoto. So that's how I voted. I'm not sure
it's right, that's the way I went about it, all right, now,
al MVP tonight. I've said this before and I'll say
it again here. I'm kind of grateful that I didn't
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have a vote for this award this year. And yeah,
it's a little bit of a cop out when I
say that, because to me, it's always an honor to
vote for any award, and we all take it pretty
seriously as you can hear. And I'm sure see when
you see writers analyze what they did. But with the
al MVP, it's like and oranges with Judge and Raleigh,
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And to me, there is no wrong answer. I'll say
it again, no wrong answer. I expect Judge is going
to win. I don't know by how much. It's just
my hunch. I don't have any inside information on that.
But the reason I expect Judge to win is that
for all Raleigh accomplished, and he had a historic season
record for a switch hitter home runs record for a
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catcher home runs for all that and all that he
did as a catcher defensively, all that can't be measured
intangibly two hundred points in ops, which is what the
gap was almost in the end, almost two hundred points
judge over Raleigh. That's going to be difficult for Raleigh
to overcome with voters. Now you see the ops gap there,
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you also see the difference in war. I don't take
war seriously when it comes to catchers. I don't believe
that war, which is an estimate to begin with, fully
accounts for everything a catcher can do. What a catcher
does intangibly is lead a pitching staff, work with all
pitchers that come into play. For the Seattle Mariners, in
Raleigh's case this year and as justin Hollander their GM,
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the Mariners GM pointed out, there is an emotional toll
with catching that is different than just hitting, or even
playing the field and hitting. And the emotional toll is, well,
if you go for four in a given night, okay,
you kind of think about your bats. If you go
for four and you've caught one hundred and forty five
pitches that night, and maybe three of them went awry,
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and you're wondering about that and how that could have
been different. That's a mental taxation that the average position
player does not experience. That said Aaron Judges. Aaron Judge.
He is an amazing performer, as is Raleigh, and I
just don't know how exactly this is going to turn out.
I know voters are split on this. I know that
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I know Raley's going to get a certain number of
first place votes, and he should. But as I've said before,
I'd almost like to see it end in a tie,
which would be hard to do. The way the voting
is tabulated now, we can still appreciate Raleigh's year, of course,
even if Judge is the ultimate winner. Tonight and Dan
Shaughnessy the Boston Globe, a writer who has been honored
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by the Hall of Fame with the BBWA Excellence Award
Career Excellence Award. He had a column in which he
explained ted Williams triple crown in nineteen forty two and
nineteen forty seven, finished second both times, I believe, to
Joe DiMaggio in both. One year he had four h
six That was in nineteen forty one. He also came
in second to Joe DiMaggio. Stan Musial for second place finishes,
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and you see what Ted did right there. Those were
pretty good years in which he didn't win at MVP,
and catching is a tough position to win from. Only
two catchers have won since nineteen ninety nine, Joe Mauer
in two thousand and nine, Buster Posey in twenty twelve.
So it's going to be an uphill battle for Raley.
It was always going to be an uphill battle. But
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we can all remember what was an amazing season by
an amazing player. It will never be forgotten. And if
he doesn't win an MVP award, well that's only one
measure of a player and a player's greatness, and I
don't know that it will take anything away from cal Raley.
Obviously you want to win it, you want that on
your name forever. But if he doesn't win it, he
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still got I don't know, the record for most home
runs by a sweat t raeder, the record for most
home runs bad a catcher, and the memories he created
for fans all season long, National League MVP. We know
it's going to happen. It's going to be Otani unanimously again.
This will be his fourth MVP award in five seasons.
He has had an incredible career this year. Of course,
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he did it differently than last year. Last year, hey,
you remember he was not able to pitch, and he
stole all those bases and did it that way fifty
to fifty. This year he's pitching again and while the
offensive numbers maybe weren't quite as great, he just had
that all around season, all right. Finally, before we go
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into the Grill and Ken's segment of the show, there's
a lot we've written at the Athletic over the last
couple of days about the closure market. The closer market
is quite robust because there are quite a number of
good closures available. Edwin Diaz, Devin Williams go right down
the list. There's a bunch of others too. I'm thinking
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of Ryan Helsley, Luke Weaver. You can go right down
the line, racil igalaci As, Pete Fairbanks. Obviously some of
these guys are more highly regarded than others, but it's
a big list. And you see today in our notes Calm,
the one I wrote with Will Salmon and Katie Wu
there's a note about the Red Sox maybe finding or
signing a closer, even though they have Chapman. Someone who
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would pitch the eighth inning with Chapman there and then
perhaps supplant him ultimately is the closer once Chapman is
not Chapman anymore, and perhaps that won't happen anytime soon.
The Orioles looking for a closer, the Blue Jays looking
for a closure. The Mets have to figure out whether
it's Diaz or someone else. The Dodgers too, looking for
a late inning reliever. They've been one of the teams
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linked to Devin Williams. Will Salmon of The Athletic had
a terrific story on Williams yesterday and just how his
season statistically was a bit misleading. You have to dig
deeper and look into some of the things that were
going on to really understand what happened with Williams, and
I forgot to mention with the closers. Robert Suarez another
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fine closer available in free agency. There also might be
some traded, So that's going to be a market that's
going to be really interesting to watch. It's going to be,
I would think, quite lucrative for the pitchers at the top.
When Diaz is seeking a deal much like the one
he's signed with the METS before opting out of this
one five years, one hundred and two million. Will he
get that? I don't know, but these guys, for the
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most part, they're going to get paid. All right. With that,
we close out the first segment. We will be right
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All. Right, here we go. Time now for grilling Ken,
the part of the show where I answer your questions.
Let's not waste any time, Let's get right to them.
First question comes from Tyler Maxsmith, who asked, do you
see the Braves restarting Byron Buxton trade talks? I know
Anthopolis said he is prioritizing a shortstop and a starter,
but he's proven what he says and what he actually
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does are two different things. Tyler, you are a smart
person because Alexanthopolis, the way he operates, going back to
his days in Toronto, he is someone who kind of
is stealth and often when you see names attached to
the Braves, those aren't the names that he is looking at.
The managerial search was just the latest example of that.
So Buxton really interesting situation in Minnesota. If you've been
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reading Dan Hayes and The Athletic and even I wrote
about this a little bit this week as well. The
Twins are in a funny position. Their president of baseball
operations Derek Falvey clearly wants to build the team up
again and not continue tearing down, not continue what they
started at the deadline. That would mean keeping Joe Ryan,
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keeping Pablo Lopez, and yes keeping Byron Buxton. Dan wrote
a story yesterday saying that if they do tear down,
then Buxton, who has been adamant about wanting to stay
in Minnesota, might have a change of heart because obviously
you're not gonna want to play for a team completely
rebuilding a team that's going to be far away from contention. Now.
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Buxton is from Georgia. We all know that, and he
would be someone I would think almost every team would
be interested in. The Braves have a center fielder, Michael
Harris the second and a darn good one. They do
have other priorities, so I do not see them necessarily
getting involved in the Buxton sweepstakes, if indeed they become
Buxton Sweepstakes, We're actually a long way from that. What
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happens now is we have to see what the Twins'
budget is going to be. They don't even know yet.
Owners have not given the word yet. Aj Presentski asked me,
how can owners not know the budgets yet, And I
asked that question last night here at the GM meetings
and was told that with the TV money, the local
TV money, a lot of times it comes in late
and they're kind of assessing as they go along. So
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we have to see what the Twins direction is going
to be, and we have to see if indeed it
leads to a point where they're even interested or entertaining
the idea of trading. Byron Buxton. All right, let's go.
Next question. This one is from Justin Long, who asks
do you factor in picture friendly ballparks versus hitter friendly
ballparks into your voting? Yes? Good question. And in the
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case of Paveta, he's pitching in a picture friendly ballpark.
Web two is a picture friendly ballpark, Yamamoto Dodger Stadium's
kind of neutral schemes PNC is more or less neutral,
I believe. But I do consider kind of all these
things that less than others because it doesn't often play
a major role. Most of these pit they're at the
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top of their game. They're good on the road as
well at home, no matter where they're pitching, so it's
not necessarily a front and center thing. But sure, in
certain cases you're gonna look at that and factor that
in as well. All right, next question, let's see what
we got here. So you've we got anything here? All right?
Here we go Dialvarez who asked, oh, what a package
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of She and Stone, Rushing and other prospects get a
trade done for Skins to the Dodgers. Nice try For
one thing, Paul Skeins is not getting traded. For another thing,
If he was getting traded at this point, it would
take a heck of a lot more than She and
Stone and Rushing. But one point here that I want
to make with regard to the Dodgers, and I did
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not realize this until our Beat writer Fabian Ardaya reminded
me of it. Next year, their starting pitching depth is
going to be incredible. Why, Gavin Stone is coming back
from surgery, River Ryan is coming back from surgery, and
they've got all the guys that, of course played such
prominent roles for them this year as well. So they're
going to be in a really good position. And Michean
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will be a year into his career at that point
and should be ready to contribute even more. They'll probably
have more starters than they know what to do with.
But as for Skens. No, he's not getting traded yet.
Do I expect ultimately he will perhaps, but he was
pretty adamant on his conference call last night about wanting
to win in Pittsburgh and kind of showing the twenty
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nine other fan base is that this is what the
pirates and he want to do. All right. Next question,
This one comes from Armando Armandez amazing. He says, Ken,
have you heard about any relievers on the trade market.
We've seen one reliever traded, Andrew Kittridge from the Cubs
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back to the Orioles. Pete Fairbanks was available until the
Rays declined his eleven million dollar option obviously did not
get traded. I am certain that there are relievers available.
I haven't heard any specific names about what teams might consider.
There are guys, though, but free agency is probably the
first choice for many teams with regard to relievers, because
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there are a number of them out there, and it's
easier to sign a free agent than to trade prospects
for a reliever, especially when relievers are so vital. All right,
next question, let's see what we have. This one comes
from I can't even pronounce this zoo zld Ken with
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the CBA and looming salary cap being pushed by MLB,
the MLB. No, it's not the MLB, it's MLB. I'm curious.
Are the big spending teams pushing back against the salary
cap because they draw a lot more because of the
big stars. You're asking a good question here, And here's
why it's a good question because often with CBA talks,
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it's not just players versus owners, it's owners versus owners.
Large market owners have different interests than small market owners.
Now there is a world where I am sure big
market owners would maybe we'll welcome a salary cap because
it would limit what they could spend. They wouldn't have
to go out and outspend everyone else. They'd be limited
and what they could do, and that would give them
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as well as the small market teams cause certainty. But
a lot will depend on the TV deals as well,
and how Baseball ultimately figures that out and whether they
distribute the revenue from that kind of in an even manner.
I don't know how it's going to play out. So
the question is will there be a dispute between big
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market and small market teams about a cap? I can
see a world where Rob Manfred convinces everyone that a
cap is in their best interests. But as for a
competitive advantage right now, Yes, the Dodgers, the Yankees, the
Mats Phillies, they have a huge competitive advantage because they
can spend without restriction or without much restriction. There is
a luxury tax threshold in there as much as they want. Okay,
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what else do we have? But we don't know anything.
What we have coming up are the UDEs and dorks
of the week. It'll just be solo this week. Dude
and Dork of the week coming up right after.
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Dude, Dude, dude, all right, Dude of the week. Now,
this is an interesting question this week, and I'm I
want to harken back to the Manager of the Year voting.
A lot of Blue Jays fans were quite upset when
Steven voted the Cleveland Guardians beat out John Schneider of
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the Toronto Blue Jays. John Schneider certainly a candidate for
due to the week great season. I personally felt Stephen
vote getting to the playoffs and winning the Ale Central
with that team going nineteen and four down the stretch
without class A and Ortiz and all that happened to them,
I personally thought he should have been Manager of the
Year simply because of that. He didn't have the team
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John Schneider did. But I digress. My Dude of the
Week is another manager who was snubbed in the Manager
of the Year voting, and that is Dave Roberts. Now,
keep in mind, the Managers of the Year are selected
based strictly on regular season performance. The ballots have to
be in before the playoffs start. But Dave Roberts this
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year beat all three National League Manager of the Year
finalists Terry Francona, Pat Murphy, and Rob Thompson in the playoffs,
all three of them. So that's kind of dude worthy,
I would think. And certainly what Roberts has done with
the Dodgers, winning three World Series, all those division titles,
everything that he's accomplished in the regular season. Yes, he's
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had great teams, we all know that. But you can
screw up a bad team. You can just look to
New York to see how that happened in the Mets situation.
In Yankees, not the manager's fault necessarily, but the point
is you don't have a guarantee of winning even with
a big money, star laden team. Dave Roberts has won.
He's headed to the Hall of Fame, and for that
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he is my dude of the week. All right, let's
break and go to the next segment we have here.
That would be dork of the Week. All right, dork
of the Week. The obvious choices would be the two
Cats who were indicted by the federal government in an
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indictment that was unsealed Sunday like prosecutors in Brooklyn, Emmanuel
Classe and Louis Ortiz. Easy to name them dorks the Week,
but innocent until proven guilty. Their lawyers insist their innocent,
even though the indictment reads pretty specifically about what they did.
I'm not going there with those two guys. I'm gonna
go to the world of music for my dork of
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the Week, the world of rap music, and I'm gonna
give it to Drake. Drake, of course, who has taken
one hit after another in his beef with Kendrick Lamar.
He's kind of lost that thing time and time again.
Well here it is already again, I should say Drake
ticking off the Los Angeles Dodgers. He's a Blue Jay
fan and you see what he tweeted there or put
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on his Instagram, and the Dodgers took exception. The Dodgers,
I mean, this is kind of silly, but they drew
motivation from it. Drake, maybe you need to stay in
your lane here. It is exclusive from TMZ. Drake going
after Shoho Tani during the World Series actually backfired hard.
Miguil Rojas tells TMC Sports the locker room definitely took notice.
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Of the rapper taking shots at their superstar teammate, and
they didn't like it one bit. Drake Man, you're on
the wrong side again. Dude, you're the dork of the week.
All right, So let's get to one more question before
we end the show today, at least the television side,
We've got a Dodger's question. Here goes, for the Dodgers
to trade for Kwan, who would you most likely see
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getting sent I'm sorry, I don't see the rest of
the question. First of all, I don't know that the
Dodgers are going to trade for Kwan, and they were
interested at the deadline, and remember it didn't happen. The
Guardians generally are considered a difficult team to deal with,
and it's not that Chris Antonetti and Mike Turner off,
their heads of baseball operations, are difficult human beings. It's
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just that they set the bar a certain level, and
if you meet that level, you can make a trade,
and if you don't, there's no trade. And that's the
way they operate. Now. I would imagine the Dodgers, in
need of outfield help, will again explore the Quan situation,
But I just don't know that it's going to lead
to anything. The Guardians are desperate for offense. They've got
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Jose Ramirez, they've got Kwan, and they've got a bunch
of guys that there's hope. There's some younger players coming
too that could impact players for them. But if they
trade Kwan, unless they're getting something really good back, it's
difficult to imagine them competing at the level that they
have in the last couple of years, which is at
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an extremely high level. So I don't expect the Quan
trade to happen. Clearly, if the Dodgers did it, they've
got a bunch of outfield prospects, not really all that
close to the majors some of them, but they could
start the deal with some of those names, include some pitching,
and maybe then the Guardians would be tempted. I'm not
sure Kwan is a great fit for anyone, low chase
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rate ball and play all the time, really good player,
So again, I don't see it happening. But it's the
off season, and I always say this offseason deadline whenever
things will happen that make our head spin, and I
expect things that happened this offseason to make our head
spin again. I have one more thing I want to
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discuss before we closed out the show for the week,
before I leave Las Vegas, where the GM meetings have
been held this week. Not too sorry to be leaving
Las Vegas, by the way. It's an interesting place. It's
not the greatest place for a GM meeting. There are
a lot of distractions for the writers, for the executives now. Seriously,
everybody's kind of locked in. They're not messing around. Maybe
a little bit at the gaming tables and the slot machines,
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but that's about it. But the topic I want to
discuss is really an interesting one because it's one of
the most fascinating things that's happened to baseball this season
and maybe in the last couple of years, and that
is the return of Paul D. Podesta to the sport
after ten years in the NFL with the Cleveland Browns.
He is taking over the Colorado Rockies. And Andy McCullough
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today has an amazing story about how things have changed
in the last ten years. Andy talked to executives from
around the game here at the GM meetings and he said,
or he wrote basically what he heard, which is that
so much has changed. Some of the things he mentioned
were that players get to the big leagues much sooner,
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even those coming out of high school. Obviously, technology has
changed track Man, you see it right there in the
headline of the story. Launch angle was not a thing
ten years ago, and just in general, there is so
much that is different now. Paul de Podesta is one
of the smartest people you will ever meet, and he's
worked obviously in baseball for quite some time. Did before
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he joined the Browns, he was with the Oakland a's
guy that was famous for what he was portrayed as
in Moneyball. Then he went to the Los Angeles Dodgers
became their general manager at thirty one under the mccurts.
It was a mess, partly due to the mccourts and
Paul Baby was not ready for the job. And then
with the Mets and the Padres as well. This is
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someone who is again extremely intelligent. He is also inheriting
a team that really is nowhere to go but up
after a historically bad twenty twenty five seasons. So the
consensus is then he'll get up to speed, and he'll
get up to speed pretty quickly. But so much has
changed in ten years in this sport, and I am
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sure for Deep Podesta there's going to be a little
bit of culture shock. Now. Whether he can turn this around,
how quickly he can turn this around, it remains to
be seen. The Rockies are the Rubik's Cube of baseball.
It's difficult to find the solution. No one really has
long term. They've had some seasons in which they made
the playoffs two thousand and seven, of course, they made
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it to the World Series. They've had some seasons in
which they were pretty competitive. But pitching, in particular at
altitude is something that no one has figured out yet,
and it's going to be difficult for Deepedesta to do it.
But he's essentially starting from scratch. He has a team
where he can build in any direction that he wants
(27:58):
to build in, and with that, I expect that it's
going to be a really interesting ride. I don't know
if he will succeed, but he will bring new ideas
to the table. He will certainly have his own perspectives.
And the Rockies, for so long so irrelevant, the team
that barely is worth paying attention to. Now are a
team that you're gonna look at and say, Okay, what's
(28:19):
going on with those guys all right. I want to
thank everyone for watching, for listening both on YouTube and
on our television outlets. Foul Territory is next. Heidi Watney
is hosting. She has the pleasure of being on with
Aj Prazinski and Eric Kratz, Jayceon Tingler, Jason Lachanfora and
Chris Catillo will be the guests. Fair Territory returns Monday
(28:40):
at ten am. Have a great weekend everyone, Thanks for watching,
Thanks for listening.
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