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May 28, 2025 32 mins

Vanessa begins Week Seven, Day Three, with a guided meditation dedicated to the legendary Jamaican warrior Queen Nanny of the Maroons, an emblem of resistance and strength. Then, Morgan takes the lead with a practical lesson on civic engagement—learn how to effectively call your congressperson and take steps to organize and unionize within your community. And for this Workshop Wednesday, Yolanda returns with a real-world example of how to confidently reach out to your representatives. Get ready to embrace the spirit of activism and empowerment.

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(00:04):
The fence are gone. We are sick and tired of being
sick and tired. The.
Disrespected person in America. Is the black woman but still
like dust? All right.

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Pretty girls in the VIP they came with drain.
They'll need ideas. The revolution will not.
Be televised, brother. You are by the new Joe John.
Even if you are not ready for the day.
It cannot. Always be night.

(01:03):
Welcome everyone, welcome to self-care School.
We are at Workshop Wednesday. It is week 7 of A10 week
experience where you yourself are committing to walk for five
days a week to learn about the powerful strategies that are
going to both increase our life expectancy, bring more joy into

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our life, and position us to help other people do the same.
This is an experience that is powered by Girl Trek.
Girl Trek is a movement of over 1,000,000 black women who are
walking all over the world. I am Vanessa, I'm joined on the
line by Morgan. Are you there, Morgan?
I'm here. Hello everybody.
Yes, hey there everyone, it's workshop Wednesday and we're

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going to start today's walk likewe always do.
This might be my favorite part of all of these walks.
It's a moment to ground ourselves, to celebrate
ourselves that we even just madeit out here.
I know there's so many things that pulling you in different
directions y'all, and you had tosay yes to yourself so that you
could arrive here. So in celebration of that and in
honoring of the women who said yes for us so many times, the

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women who came before us, we aregoing to do a meditation
honoring who we are the daughters of.
And today we are the daughters of.
Oh, she's one of my favorites, Queen Nanny.
Queen Nanny was a Jamaican warrior.
She was a Maroon high priestess.She was the spirit strategist
who led an army of escaped Africans through the Blue

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Mountains and never lost a battle.
Today we walk in her name, not for fitness but for freedom, not
for the world's gaze, but for our people's survival.
So wherever you all y'all, I want you to roll your shoulders
back, lift your chin up to the sky, feel your spine stretch

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long like a tree rooted in volcanic soil.
Queen Nanny didn't fight with bullets, she fought with
brilliance. She used herbs and prayers,
decoys and drum beats, smoke andsilence.
She called lightning, she read wind.
She built free villages in the hills when the world said

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freedom wasn't possible. So place one hand on your chest
and one hand on your belly and breathe deep, like you're
drawing power from the earth itself.
Hold it now let it go slowly, like mist rolling off the

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mountain at dawn. You are not just walking today.
You are remembering. You are returning.
You are reviving a lineage of black women who move with
purpose. So flex your feet.
Wiggle your toes. Now press your feet into the
ground. The ground remembers her Queen

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Nanny, and now it carries you. Queen Nanny's power in you.
Are you ready to walk with us today?
Let's get it. Hey y'all, you can move on out
to the street, move on out to your walk 15 minutes out and
back. We're going to skip today's
self-care audit just because I wanted to do things a little bit

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differently today. Today is workshop Wednesday.
We have our girl Yolanda who's going to be joining us.
She's not joining us Live Today because you pre recorded a
special bit for us, which is going to be fun for us to dive
into. But I just want to ensure that
you are out walking today, that you are stretching your legs,
even if you're been listening tothis at work, just like I want

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us to all to commit to a daily practice of walking and getting
outside and moving our bodies. Y'all, We're going to learn two
things today. We're going to learn how to call
your congressperson and we are going to learn how to organize
and specifically unionize. All right?
If the Congress people ain't listening, we can make a listen.

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All right, So those are the two things we are going to learn.
And we are going to start with the simple, simple, practical,
how to how to call the people who are in power.
And before we play this video ofour girl, our home girl,
Yolanda, who did this for us, I'm just so proud of her who did
this for us. As an example, I'm going to tell
you a quick story. I don't know if you remember if

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I've even never told you this story, but yeah, I used to be a
history teacher and I used to teach 9th grade civics.
And then I used to teach American history to 11th
graders. And then I decided to move to
New Jersey and I taught at a school called Link Community
School. And there is one of my students
who is my favorite student. His name was Amin.

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And he was hilarious. And he said I look like
SpongeBob one day. And I had so hard.
I was trying so hard not to laugh because it was funny, but
he wasn't being real disruptive.So, I mean, it's important to
the story because I did this exercise where I gave, I put the
kids in groups and they were sitting around like they put
their desks together. So they were like in circles.

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It's about 5 of them in each group.
And I had about five groups. And I gave the groups like a bag
of marshmallows. And then I gave them some
straws, and then I gave them some toothpicks.
And then I gave them a card on it.
And then I had a student, or I think I had two or three
students going around with clipboards, and they were
reporters and they were just writing down notes.

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So these groups were meant to beforms of government.
And so their job was to construct the highest
marshmallow tower they could that they could possibly
construct. All right, So they had
toothpicks, they had straws and they had them big old marsh
marshmallows and they had to construct a mushroom.
I mean, not a mushroom, a marshmallow tower.

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So as they were doing that, I gave them cards and one of the
cards, like democracy, for example, had rules on it.
And one of the rules I remember on Democracy was that you have
to vote on every move you make. So if you want to put, you know,
toothpicks all around and then and then put a straw on top of
it and make a triangle, you haveto vote on every single movie

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make. We also had a representative
democracy where you had to electpeople and then you had to vote
and it was all that we had a monarch, which was a queen or a
king who just had all power. Basically.
All power, yes, could just she was like Queen Manny.

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Exactly. And then we had an oligarch,
which is some of you may not know that word, but you may have
been hearing it a lot in the news.
And it's essentially where the people who have the most money
usually, but it really is the most status, have the most
status or the most power, make all the decisions.
And the reason it's been in the news is because there's just

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been a lot of power moves made by billionaires in America
recently. And so they are calling a
political analyst or calling this a classic oligarchy, an
oligarchy. And so in this case, it might
have been the students, I don't remember.
It might have been the students who had A's or students in
student government or something.I made, I made something up.
But my favorite group was a dictatorship.

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And I mean, his name happened tobe like, I mean, like idiot.
I mean, I don't know if you all know that dictator.
He was brutal, but his name was,I mean, I was like, I mean, I
got the perfect job for you. He was like, what you got?
I was like, this is your group right here.
He makes unequivocal decisions. He doesn't ask for nobody.
He does whatever. So it was shocking to watch

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these groups work, right? You know, the democracy was
like, had a lot of good plans, couldn't get it started,
couldn't get it started. Show couldn't get it started.
And, you know, it was all these different, like, dynamics at
play. And at the end of it, as you
might imagine, more actually Vanessa than the monarchy, the
dictatorship, because he had theability to control other people

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with fear. And so they had to do what he
said, unlike A monarchy who is like a little bit more symbolic.
They had to do what he said. To no surprise, the tower of the
of the dictatorship was real tall.
I mean, he had a strategy. It was fast.
I mean, it was kind of leaning to the side, but it was like, so

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it was so tall. And so the journalists were
upset because these are kids in Newark, NJ.
They were 8th graders and they were just like, but Miss Morgan,
they was like, how come the dictatorship?
I was trying to explain that in different moments in history
that different forms of power have been used to advance things

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quickly to to disrupt systems and status quo, to rebuild
slowly and justly, that there are different forms of
government for different formations of society.
And so it's why there were people.
It's why like in Fidel Castro's early days when Cuba needed to
rebuild, he was a hero. Although he was a dictator, he

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was a hero. And it's why across many African
countries. It's also why democracy after
the American Revolution was necessary.
We read the Declaration of Independence because a monarch
had started to wage all these tech, these taxes on people and
not representing them. And so I say this to say that we
need to understand that the function of power is to serve

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us. And when it no longer serves us,
we have to do something about it.
And I would argue that where we are in this world right now, we
need to do something about it. I would argue that as a million
black women who are walking in the same direction, that we have
extraordinary people power and that with that extraordinary

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people power, we need to do something about the everyday
experience of our lives. Now, what does this have to do
with life expectancy or public health or anything?
Well, I'll tell you about it in a little bit when we start to
talk about organizing and unionizing.
But for now, we live in a representative democracy.
We live in a Republic where we elect people to represent the

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people and we hold them accountable to do such.
And if nothing else changes, if you don't remember anything else
I say in today's episode, those people are responsible for our
livelihood. Those people are responsible for
our safety and our best interest.
We put them into office. And so without further ado, I

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asked Yolanda if she could call her congressperson.
I gave her no instructions. I was like, yo, can you just
call your your congressperson and just tell them anything that
you need them to know about yourcommunity?
And I just heard this just a couple minutes ago.
And I want you to hear her call and then we're going to talk
about it. All right, so let's go ahead and
hit play there. Thank you for calling the office

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of Congressman Hank Johnson. This is Caitlin.
How can I assist you? Hey Caitlin, I wanted to know if
I can speak with Councilman Johnson.
Is he available? No, ma'am.
How can I assist? You I want to discuss what I
know that there's a town hall coming up, but I also wanted to
go over some issues that I'm having in my community as far as

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like being unsafe in the areas because there's so much
loitering. I know that loitering is a
misdemeanor and it's like real minor, but it's a real problem.
We got AQT that's being that's that's starting up that they're
going to be opening soon. And guess what?
Even though it's a new gas station, it's still going to be

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unsafe because it's right next to that like that whole area
that they're that they're building it in is it's a lot of
traffic, a lot of drug traffic, a lot of a lot of prostitution.
And guess what? That gas station is not going to
be, It's not going to be safe. And me as a female, like, I

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don't know, it seemed like it needs something needs to be
done. And I don't think people are
talking about how bad loitering is.
Is he available? No, ma'am, he's not available
right now. We're actually closing out in 3

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minutes. At 5:00.
OK, so there's nothing you can tell me.
No, ma'am. If anything, if you're having
issues with Lori Rain, that would that would most likely
have to be with your Board of Commissioners.
OK, you can give me the information for them.
Yeah. Give me one moment, OK?

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Are you ready for the phone number?
Yes, ma'am. OK, it's 404, 33712000.
And what department is this? Board of Commissioners.
OK, there's a town hall. Is this something that I can

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discuss at the town hall as well?
Yes, you. Can.
All right, Thank you so much. No.
Problem. I loved how patient Yolanda was.
I loved how calm she stayed evenwhen the lady was like we got 3
minutes before we getting off work.
She was just like, OK, but we'rehere now, we're here.

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Gonna stay focused right here because she was just like, I
love that she knew her congressman's name and that she
was she knew her issue. There's some there's some tips
here y'all that we could learn from Yolanda.
I love that she had a follow up.She was like, because one of the
best tips for calling your congressperson is to call
frequently and that you become the kind of squeaky wheel and

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then you get your issues heard because they're like, please,
this lady over here on 14th St. wants y'all to fix this pothole
and then eventually, miraculously your pothole gets
fixed. So there is there is a scenario
where she could call back and call back until he's available.
But I like how she was like, I'll see him at the town.
Hall. Exactly at the town hall and the

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lady changed her voice a little bit.
I don't know if you noticed, butshe her voice shifted a little
bit. So here's some tips for you to
call your congressperson, your senator or your representative.
Remember, there are two. In the Senate, you have
representatives, and then in theHouse of Representatives you
have representatives, and they're both called your
congressman or your congresswoman.
So the way that you find them isyou go to house.gov, so

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www.house.gov for your representatives, or you go to
senate.gov for your senators. You enter your zip code, and
then you find your elected officials.
You get their phone number, their e-mail addresses, you'll
find their Washington, DC officenumber, but you can also find
their local number. And one piece of advice is the

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DC office is often flooded with calls like Yolanda's, but
usually the local office where they spend a lot of time does
not get as many calls. So 1 tip is to just go ahead and
call the local office. The second tip is to plan what
you're going to say and it doesn't need to be scripted.
In fact, I love that Yolanda's wasn't.
She was like, yo at that QuikTrip or they call the QT.
Now at that QT, it don't feel safe.

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Like it don't feel safe. Which brings me to one of my
organizing tips a little later and that Vanessa Marshall Gantz,
who we both had the just privilege of meeting this
legendary grassroots organizer who loves girl Trek, by the way,
one of his tips was to really understand that issues are
really more about people's feelings and beliefs, right?

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And so even if you think about is Yolanda's issue really
loitering? Yes, and her issue is treatment
for drug for drugs because people they are often drug
addicted homelessness right thatare lead that's all leading to
loitering. If we had Yolanda here, there
would be so many other issues underneath that zoning for

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commercial districts versus housing fair housing All of
these things kind of bubble up into loitering, but her lived
experience is 1 where it's scaryto go to get out at the gas
station at night. So like, I understand her issue,
and by solving for that issue, she's gonna solve for a whole
cascade of other really brilliant human rights issues.

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So I loved that she even picked that.
And I know Yolanda, so I love that.
So know what you're gonna say. Know what you're gonna talk
about. If nobody's answering, leave a
voicemail, y'all, Or follow up with the local office, as I
said, or write an e-mail. All right, so those are some
ways that we can do it. And then tag them on social
media is another very public waythat you can talk to your

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congressman. If the staffer that was a
staffer she was talking to seemslike rushed or rude or
dismissive, you can just stay calm and firmly repeat your key
messages to her or to him. And then some other tips really
quickly is that you can follow have you can ask other people in
your community to follow up so that you get they get multiple

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voices around the same issue andmultiple points of view around
the same issue. So I want as homework for you
all to practice, practice calling your congressman.
You don't have to have an issue.You could also have a question
like where does Congressman X stand on this?
We're going to practice and we're going to do some homework

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at least by the end of by Juneteenth, that's your homework
is to put a call, a practice call into your congressman about
anything that is affecting your quality of life.
I wanted to talk about imposter syndrome, Vanessa, because for
so so you and I have organized amillion women talk and yet and

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still when somebody asks me if I'm an organizer, I feel like an
imposter. And I feel like an imposter, not
because I don't have receipts, but because there seems like
there's so many rules to like. This is how you advocate.
This is how you activist, this is how you a grassroots organize
it. This is how you coalition bill.
This is how you you know, and itjust be like.

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And so I say that this is a smooth transition be because I
was just like, what does it evenmean to organize?
I promise you, I was going to ask this exact question because
just yesterday I was looking at what's the difference between
organizing and mobilizing. So I'm, I'm looking forward to
your definition, yes. Here, go to definition.
I ain't got no definition because we've been doing this to

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save every single movement in the history of movements.
Black women are the architects of organizing.
And the moment you feel like yougot to write a book or look up a
definition, I just threw all my notes away because I was like,
you know who who knew how to organize Fannie Lou Hammer?
Organizing means getting people together with a common cause.
And on any Wednesday night in any choir rehearsal, you get

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people who are singing. You get 50 people who are
singing in harmony. Harmony.
That's organizing. And I'm saying, like, how do we
organize her power? Have you heard of Saul Alinsky?
Yes, I have. Yeah.
So he's known. I didn't know that much about
him. VI just knew that I knew that
he's I knew that he was known asthe father of grassroots
organizing, which already gives me one eyebrow raise because

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it's just like that was in 1960s, in the 1940s.
We had no organizer before then,not on the continent, no
nowhere. But so but he's the father of
organizing like the father of gynecology.
But we don't go easy on him. We don't go easy on him.
But he wrote a book called, I think like organizer for
radicals or handbook, A blueprint for radicals or
something like that. And it's cited as the book for

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organizing that both on the leftand on the right.
You know, so Saul Alinsky first of all believed that power would
would never be given, that poweralways had to be taken.
And so that in and of itself wascontroversial that he didn't
believe like in plain nice necessarily.
He believed in power. He also believed that you had to
start where the people are by listening to what people's needs

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are and really start where the people are.
So if Yolanda, for example, was organizing at the QT, she might
go and listen to the people who are loitering.
I know her. I know her big old heart.
I know she. So if she wanted to organize
those citizens around there or the people who needed to stay
there for housing or whatever, she would.
She could go and listen to them.And one thing that he says is
that you meet people where they are, not where you wish they

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were. One of the things he says that I
think the right has done really well is organize 1st and educate
later. And I was like.
He said that you have to act people into learning.
And then he says pick fights youcan win at first so that you
start small winnable fights. And then he would say make it
fun, make it bold that like humor and quippy lines and like

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surprises and use drama and making it joyful and creative is
one of the most powerful ways toorganize people.
And so though that's Saul Alinsky, but that's just one
person who thinks about organizing.
You also think about people likeMarshall Gantz.
So Marshall Gantz is now a professor at at Harvard.
But long before that, he was in a grassroots movement led by

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Cesar Chavez. And then he organized.
He helped to organize the civil rights movement and then he
helped to organize the Obama campaign and then he helped to
organize the Girl Trek movement because he was advising us for a
long time. Vanessa.
And I really thinking about it. And the first thing he said is
that he said girl Trek gets whatthe civil rights movement got.
That you have to put your body in for where the power is, that

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you understand the power starts in your body, just like the
women were just like the Selma to Montgomery March, just like
the March on Washington, That you understand that agency comes
in in the in the package of yourbody.
But he believes in storytelling.It's one of his most powerful,
like salient teachings. He believes that you move people
through the motivation of the ofshared will, shared values,

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shared issues, and that the easiest way to get there is
really through storytelling. And so he says the story, what
is it? The story of me, the story of
we, the story of now. And so the story of me is like,
why do I care about this issue? The story of we, what does this
mean for us? And the story of now is what is
our opportunity right now to make change?
And if you can craft a story like that for whatever issue

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you're working on, y'all that somehow that will begin to move.
And Fannie Lou Hammer was the best at that, Vanessa.
So I just wanted to to share some of those organizing tips
with you all. Listen, before we leave, we
would be remissed. We only got 15 minutes to talk
about organizing. So it ain't going to be a PhD,
but we would be remissed not to talk about unions.

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But you know, both of us have should give so much thanks to A
Philip Randolph. So for those of you, it's one of
my favorite episodes in black history boot camp.
It's called the most powerful Negro in America.
That's the episode title. So look on your podcast.
It's such a good episode, but A Philip Randolph, really all, all

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of us who had any union kind of affiliation in our families or
protections for our family really owe a debt of gratitude
to A Philip Randolphy. So we owed a debt of gratitude
to A Philip Randolph and the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car
Porters, y'all, which really wasthe first black unionized effort

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post slavery in America for labor rights.
Because before that, black people were not allowed in the
unions fee. Yeah, like they were deeply
segregated if they were, but they mostly were not allowed in
the union. So this was the first and the
biggest black union. And why was it important, y'all?
Quick little sidebar on history.Because after slavery there we

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we started laying railroad tracks all over America.
And by we, we really mean black and Asian immigrants laying
railroad tracks all across America.
And we talked about oligarchs, these billionaires, all the
Rockefeller, all these people started building these trains or
building these trains, these steam engines.
So we industrialized America essentially, and by we, they

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industrialized America. So as they're industrializing
America, the most important kindof development of that age was
being able to ride a train all the way from New York to
wherever, to California to Kansas to Memphis to wherever.
You could just ride the train. Well, on that train were
formerly enslaved men and women who were sleeping, car porters

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and maids. They had important jobs.
They made the whole industry move.
They got people on the trains ontime.
They kept the trains running on time.
They took good care of people and it was basically like the
little apartments that was goingfull speed ahead and these
people were were attending to them.
Well, A Philip Randolph was a Porter and they were the best

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job. They were bringing all the money
to back to black communities. They had they they were highly
paid and very handsome. By the way, you look up them
pictures, y'all, they looked great.
And so Vanessa, he decide he knew that the conditions were
really, really, really poor, so he decided to unionize.
He decided to unionize and it really is a fancy word for
getting people on one accord around their issues and

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particularly workers and particularly workplace issues,
job security, job pay, working hours, safety conditions,
etcetera. Why Morgan, is this a health
issue? Well, V I literally had to sit
with it because people keep telling us we shouldn't be
politically organizing unless itis a public health issue.

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OK, it is a public health issue.Let me tell you why.
Because one of the earliest garment unions that started was
because of the Triangle Waste factory fire that was in New
York City. It over 100 people that 100
women who were garment workers died because the big bosses
there locked the doors because they didn't want them to take
breaks. A fire came out and those women

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just burned up in that fire. And from that all of the garment
workers came together. Or you think about people like
the Amazon Union, just that juststarted.
Why? Because during COVID, they
weren't even given the right masks to go out and be on the
front lines delivering stuff. They weren't even given the, the
right protections or time off orany of the stuff.

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They were just in there. So they unionized.
And so as we talked about all the way from back in the day
with the, with the Triangle waste factory fire to all the
way to just recent unionization of like Amazon workers or gig
economy workers, It is a, it is a matter of life and death.
If your livelihood does not protect you, you have power

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right now because you're in a democracy and you have people
who represent you. The people call them #2 If you
don't feel like your congressman, man or woman is
addressing your needs, you can organize.
And the best way to organize is to build relationship with in
proximity to the people in your community who have shared

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interests and to start to lift your voice to tell the story of
those shared interests and to have a very clear, an actionable
next step. And it can start with two
people. One of the things you can do is
if you can unionize by yourself,you can also see if there is a
union that already represents you.
If you're a teacher, if you're arestaurant employee, if you are

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a steel worker, you can go and find if there is a union and
look at look up Teamsters, look up unions, look up different
organizations and you can connect.
Also, if you're not in a job that has that, there are these
things called worker centers that help non unionized,
especially gig workers organized.
So there's like, and then there's campaigns like fight for

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15. Vanessa, I know that you that
you are aware of that or where people are trying to get minimal
and livable wages and gig workers rising, right?
So do some research on Google and see if there's somebody who
represents you. You can organize the people at
your workplace, right? And so use secure tools.
Don't be on the company's e-mailorganizing.

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You need to go on WhatsApp or Signal or Discord or something.
Make sure that your group isn't relying just on one person.
So share some, share some leadership and then make sure
that you identify really what you all need that's going to
make your lives better. So maybe it's like rest breaks
or maybe it's like heat protection or harassment or any

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of these things that are happening.
You can start to do that. And then what you can do is you
can have create a plan together and then prepare yourself for
pushback. Prepare yourself for for
pushback. So don't go at it alone and
don't even, you don't even have to be the sole leader because we
understand that's your job. So get together, y'all, go
together. There's strength in numbers.
All right, y'all, I want you to understand that you have all the

(30:02):
power you need. And while the world is
threatening to contract and makeus afraid, I want you to
understand that love and justiceis already won and that we come
from, we've come so far and thatwhat we're facing now ain't
nothing compared to the road that we've traveled.
I want you to know your power. I want you to claim your power.
I want you to come back and get a sister and organize.

(30:23):
That is our call to every singlelistener here today.
Stay the course, y'all. We end with Audrey Lord, where
the personal is political is oneof the things she said.
She also said self-care. What did she say?
Self-care is a radical act that it is not self indulgence, but
it is an act of political warfare.

(30:44):
And so I wanted to end with her talking about power today in an
interview because it's a really hopeful take, encouragement for
us all to stay the course. Be well out there everybody.
We love you so much. At the same time, while we're
surviving in the mouth of this dragon, we also need to be
feeding our vision. Which is one of the vital

(31:07):
necessities of art in everyday life.
Which is 1 of devising a future where we will live in some place
other than the teeth of the dragon, maybe if not in my
lifetime or even in my children's lifetime.
That we will all contribute to the what is known as the great
going forward. That eventually we will move
beyond dragon hood. Do you believe in the notion of

(31:30):
progress? Do you?
I suppose if you want to call itthat, yeah.
It makes you very American. Yes.
Well, we will all get to heaven by and by somehow.
I don't consider it heaven at all.
I consider it no, I, I have a very my vision is formed in a
very different way from that Judy.

(31:52):
It has nothing to do with the heaven.
It has to do with the imperfections of a world that
I'm living in and that my work is could help alter.
I do believe in evolution, and that is different from the
concept of progress. So you have to believe.
That if we can keep that, if we can survive and if we can teach,
if we can keep this whole crazy thing going long enough, we will

(32:15):
find a way out.
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