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December 13, 2025 8 mins
One Flu Over The Cuckoo Test With Dawn Lester It’s that time of the year when the weather gets cold and dreary, while we become less active and eat excessively for the holidays. But this is not a show about diets, healthcare, or the like. As the supposed “super flu” is spreading this month, there has become a growing disconnect between those who believe invisible particles cause disease and those who think there is no such thing as an invisible particle. But what if the truth were somewhere in the middle, and what if “what really makes you ill” is a complex yet very simple thing to understand? What if this understanding is not merely obscured by greed or ego, but instead a magical language accompanied by the ritualistic exorcisms we perform without a second thought? What if the modern concept of disease is based on an ancient superstition and literal demonology? Before we can address that, however, we need to go back to the basics. Tonight, Ryan Gable fills in for Clyde Lewis and talks with our guest Dawn Lester, author of “What Really Makes You Ill?”
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