July 30, 2024 • 18 mins
In this enlightening episode, we welcome the renowned spiritual leader and author Deepak Chopra to delve deep into the dialogue of the human experience.
Chopra, known for his profound insights on consciousness and well-being, takes us on a journey to explore the intricate interconnectedness of life, sharing his thoughts on the collective human experience and our shared journey toward greater awareness and unity.
He discusses the importance of compassion, empathy, and love, and how fostering these qualities can lead to a more harmonious and fulfilling life.
Follow us: @hopeglobalforum and www.hopeglobalforums.org
Chopra, known for his profound insights on consciousness and well-being, takes us on a journey to explore the intricate interconnectedness of life, sharing his thoughts on the collective human experience and our shared journey toward greater awareness and unity.
He discusses the importance of compassion, empathy, and love, and how fostering these qualities can lead to a more harmonious and fulfilling life.
Follow us: @hopeglobalforum and www.hopeglobalforums.org
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Help Global Forms, the dialogue where we bring
exclusive conversations with extraordinary leaders directly to you. I'm your
Hope Essen Scant and you can find me on Instagram
at the Essence of Underscore. This podcast is powered by
Hope Global Forms, an initiative of Operation Hope Designs to inspire,
educate and empower you. Visit us at Hope Globalforms dot
(00:24):
org and follow us on social at Hope Global Form.
In today's episode, we have the dialogue with Deepop Chopra
on the human experience.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The body is the story, and this story that is
the story of the universe. Because if you ask where
did those atoms come from DNA's molecules. Therefore molecules, the
atoms carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and others like calcium, phosphorus
(00:57):
and so on, where did they come from? The atoms
in your body right now came from the crucible of
burning stars what are called supernova. So when a giant
star exhausts its thermonuclear energy and burdens itself into the
(01:18):
heat depth of absolute zero, what is called the singularity.
And I'm sure recently i've seen photos of the black holes.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So when that.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Happens hydrogen and helium, which were first created at the
moment of the Big Bang. They fuse nuclear fusion, and
those are the atoms in your body right now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
According to our current scientific model, cosmologists believe that there
are two trillion galaxies, two trillion galaxies. We live in
the Milky Way galaxy, which has one hundred billion stars.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Scientists also believe.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That there are at least seven hundred sixtillion stars. I
don't know how to write that, but it's seven hundred
with lots of zeros. Scientists also believe that there may
be uncountable trillions of habitable planets habitable planets sixty billion
(02:27):
in our own galaxy. And how do scientists come to
these conclusions, Well through technology. Today we have telescopes up
in there in space that look for what is called
the Goldilocks zone. If a planet is too close to
its sun, life is unlikely. If a planet is too
(02:48):
far away, it's also unlikely to have life. So you
have to be within a fixed range to have life,
and have a bio biosphere like ours to have life
like ours. According to astro biologists, and this is a
(03:08):
new profession at many universities, including Harvard, MIT and many
other places. There could be sixty billion habitable planets in
our own Milky Way galaxy. If you put this in perspective,
then our planet is a speck of dust.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
In all the beaches.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Let's say you could look at all the beaches of
the world and you pick up one grain of sand,
that would be.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Our planet, planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And yet here we are squabbling over little things. We've
created the junkyard of infinity in our backyard and created
a planet where there is a social injustice, racial injustice,
(04:07):
economic injustice, violence, war. We romanticize wars. We actually romanticize war.
We romanticize colonialism, which was exploitation and rape and murder,
and we romanticize that era. So something is drastically wrong
(04:33):
at this moment in our revolution. If you don't believe
that the world is insane right now, then you're declaring
your own insanity.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Okay, So it is up to.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
People like doctor King, her father, like Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela,
like you John and your wonderful family and beautiful family.
So if we don't do it, who will? And if not, now,
(05:16):
when people have tried every solution, to get rid of
these epidemics of insanity that lead to wars and terrorism
and extinction of species, and the diabolical creativity of nuclear
(05:37):
weapons and internet warfare and cyber hacking and also now
biological warfare. This is the most diabolical creativity that is
risking our extinction, and it is up to a few people.
(05:58):
It's always been said, never doubt that a few people
with shared vision, with diversity that you bring John to
this room. If you have shared vision, you have maximum diversity,
which I applaud you for. And if you have that,
(06:20):
if you have people with the shared vision and diversity
of knowledge, diversity of talent, diversity of ethnic background, if
you have an open, transparent system, and if you connect
spiritually and emotionally with each other, then emergence happens. This
(06:42):
is part of our understanding of how breakthroughs happen. It's
no longer one Einstein or a New Turn or even
a doctor Martin Luther King Junior. It has to be
us collectively. And if we can become, as Mahatman Gandhi said,
(07:06):
the change we want to see in the world, then
the world will be different. No amount of angry social
activism can do that. To be an angry peace peace
activist is an oxymoron. I know a lot of Nobel
(07:27):
laureates who won peace prizes, but they're not peaceful. So
peace can only be created by those who feel peaceful
and who are peaceful, just like love can only be
shown by those who have loved, and it begins with
(07:48):
us feeling empathy. Empathy is what is another person feeling.
Do you feel it in your own self? Do you
feel it in your own body? And when you do,
there's a remarkable neuroscience now that when you have empathy,
(08:10):
when you feel what another feels, your brain, your limbic brain,
which is your emotional brain, it resonates with the other
person's emotional brain, and that's the beginning of the process
of healing. We now know the biology of real healing
or self heeling starts with empathy, because then there is
(08:35):
something that happens in the brain. It's called limbic resonance.
Limbic resonance means the healer and the healing resonate with
the same emotional frequency, same emotional bond, and that limbic
resonance then leads to what is called limbic regulation. The
two brains start to regulate each other, and the third
(08:57):
step is limbic revision. The two brains start to heal
each other. This is a biological fact. Empathy also leads
to compassion. Compassion is beyond empathy. It's the desire to
alleviate suffering and has to be spontaneous. It comes not
(09:21):
because of a sense of moral obligation or moral duty,
but because you're compelled internally to alleviate the healing or
the suffering, alleviate the suffering and bring about.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The healing of another.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And compassion leads to love, which is the ultimate healer,
which is basically self regulation. So in biology we look
at two extremes. One is inflammation, which is one extreme
in your body. The word inflammation means to be on fire.
(10:02):
So when your mind is on fire because of anger, hostility, resentments, grievances, hate, guilt, shame, depression,
self blame, lack of self love, then the body goes
into inflammation. And we now know that inflammation is the
(10:25):
common background in almost every chronic illness common background and
almost every chronic illness. Only five percent, only five percent
of disease related gene mutations are fully penetrant and let
me explain what that means. It means that mutations are errors,
(10:45):
genetic errors, or mistakes. So remember I said, the alphabet
of life is DNA, the words are genes, and the
body is a story of the total universe. We are
stardust beings having a conference here in Atlanta, but we
come from the stars. Literally, the carbon in your body
(11:07):
right now, and your fingernails, the oxygen going to your brain,
these all these items have come from different galaxies.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So when I'm saying it took the universe.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
To creative, it literally took the whole universe to creative.
And if you're not totally surprised by the fact that
you exist, then you have not haven't gotten in touch
with your humanity. And when you get in touch with
your humanity and those emotions are so powerfully evoked, empathy
(11:39):
and compassion and love, then there is healing. The word healing,
by the way, the word health, they all mean the
same thing. Health, healing, wholeness. It's the return of the
memory of who we really are. It's the return of
the memory of wholeness. Is the return of the memory
(12:02):
that the entire universe right now is asking you to
be aware of yourself, because at the deepest levels of
our existence, the self of the individual is also the
self of the universe.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Go beyond the.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Secret passages, the dark alleys, the ghost filled attics of
your mind, which is telling a story. Go beyond all that,
and what you find as an inner intelligence, which is
the ultimate and supreme genius in every single human that's born.
(12:41):
A great Indian poet by the name of Tagore said,
every child that is born is proof that God has
not yet given.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Up on human beings.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Every human being is a stardust being having a human experience.
You've heard phrases like we are spiritual beings having a
human experience, or we are non local beings having a
local experience, or we are timeless beings having an experience
(13:20):
in the theater of space, time and causality. But if
you go beyond this, there is this deep intelligence that
mirrors the wisdom of the total universe. Because we are
the universe in ecstatic motion. Even our biological rhythms circadian
(13:44):
rhythms as the Earth spins on its axis, seasonal rhythms
as the Earth goes around the sun, lunar rhythms, gravitational rhythms,
they're programmed into our body. We are part of a symphony.
That's why we call it the universe. You need verse
one song, and we're dancing to it even though we
(14:08):
can't hear the tune. There's a beautiful poem of the
great Sufi poet Room. He says, those who are seen
dancing were thought to be mad by those who could
not hear the music. So if you can hear the music,
then the only response to existence is gratitude and joy
(14:32):
and love and love heals because love is holy, love
is whole, and love brings us back to the memory
of our true self, which is not this ego encapsulated
(14:54):
entity dragging a bag of skin and bones. That's just
a vacation. But right now, and we're messing it up anyway.
So what is that deeper reality that spiritual people call
the spirit or the soul? And other people these days
are trying to get to terms with it because all
(15:18):
our science is telling us that space, time, information, energy, matter.
These are human constructs and they've created a human experience.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
But this is not the true reality.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
We made it up, just like we made up money,
just like we made up Wall Street.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Just what we made up empires.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But we also made up, as I said, horrible things
that are risking our extinction. What is this domain of
existence that is the source of our own thinking, That's
the source of every perception that we have, that's the
source of every human interaction that we have. That's the
(16:02):
source of even our technology today. Even our technology is
a human adventure. But so is everything else that we've created,
including money. We made this thing up. We made up
Greenwich meantime, latitude longitude.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Who says it has to be.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Greenwich meantime, Why not both Swana meantime. You see, we
make up these things and then the way hold them
to be true. But they are human constructs. And all
our science today is telling us that space, time, matter, energy.
(16:46):
Even the fact that you have a physical body is
a human construct. Even the fact that you have a
human body is a construct. When the baby is born,
it has no idea that this is called a hand,
or that this is called a remote controlled switcher. All
(17:10):
the baby experiences colors and sensations and joy and love
and wonder and bewilderment. To all the scientists, I frequently
remind them, we have to exchange our cleverness for bewilderment,
(17:36):
who asked that we should exist, but we do, who
asked that we should be self aware?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
But we are.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Insight, intuition, imagination, creativity, higher vision. This is what we
are capable of, all of us, And so plead today
with all of you, is to take a little time
(18:06):
to reflect on this most important question.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Who are we? What do we want?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
What's our calling? What are we grateful for?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Thank you, thanks for listening to help Global Forms the dialogue.
We hope today's episode has inspired you. Keep the conversation
going by visiting Helpglobalforms dot org and follow us on
social at Hope Global Form. You can find me esen
Scan on Instagram at the Essence of Underscore. Join us
(18:41):
next time for more insights from leaders who are shaping
a better world
Welcome to Help Global Forms, the dialogue where we bring
exclusive conversations with extraordinary leaders directly to you. I'm your
Hope Essen Scant and you can find me on Instagram
at the Essence of Underscore. This podcast is powered by
Hope Global Forms, an initiative of Operation Hope Designs to inspire,
educate and empower you. Visit us at Hope Globalforms dot
(00:24):
org and follow us on social at Hope Global Form.
In today's episode, we have the dialogue with Deepop Chopra
on the human experience.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The body is the story, and this story that is
the story of the universe. Because if you ask where
did those atoms come from DNA's molecules. Therefore molecules, the
atoms carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and others like calcium, phosphorus
(00:57):
and so on, where did they come from? The atoms
in your body right now came from the crucible of
burning stars what are called supernova. So when a giant
star exhausts its thermonuclear energy and burdens itself into the
(01:18):
heat depth of absolute zero, what is called the singularity.
And I'm sure recently i've seen photos of the black holes.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So when that.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Happens hydrogen and helium, which were first created at the
moment of the Big Bang. They fuse nuclear fusion, and
those are the atoms in your body right now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
According to our current scientific model, cosmologists believe that there
are two trillion galaxies, two trillion galaxies. We live in
the Milky Way galaxy, which has one hundred billion stars.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Scientists also believe.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That there are at least seven hundred sixtillion stars. I
don't know how to write that, but it's seven hundred
with lots of zeros. Scientists also believe that there may
be uncountable trillions of habitable planets habitable planets sixty billion
(02:27):
in our own galaxy. And how do scientists come to
these conclusions, Well through technology. Today we have telescopes up
in there in space that look for what is called
the Goldilocks zone. If a planet is too close to
its sun, life is unlikely. If a planet is too
(02:48):
far away, it's also unlikely to have life. So you
have to be within a fixed range to have life,
and have a bio biosphere like ours to have life
like ours. According to astro biologists, and this is a
(03:08):
new profession at many universities, including Harvard, MIT and many
other places. There could be sixty billion habitable planets in
our own Milky Way galaxy. If you put this in perspective,
then our planet is a speck of dust.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
In all the beaches.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Let's say you could look at all the beaches of
the world and you pick up one grain of sand,
that would be.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Our planet, planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And yet here we are squabbling over little things. We've
created the junkyard of infinity in our backyard and created
a planet where there is a social injustice, racial injustice,
(04:07):
economic injustice, violence, war. We romanticize wars. We actually romanticize war.
We romanticize colonialism, which was exploitation and rape and murder,
and we romanticize that era. So something is drastically wrong
(04:33):
at this moment in our revolution. If you don't believe
that the world is insane right now, then you're declaring
your own insanity.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Okay, So it is up to.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
People like doctor King, her father, like Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela,
like you John and your wonderful family and beautiful family.
So if we don't do it, who will? And if not, now,
(05:16):
when people have tried every solution, to get rid of
these epidemics of insanity that lead to wars and terrorism
and extinction of species, and the diabolical creativity of nuclear
(05:37):
weapons and internet warfare and cyber hacking and also now
biological warfare. This is the most diabolical creativity that is
risking our extinction, and it is up to a few people.
(05:58):
It's always been said, never doubt that a few people
with shared vision, with diversity that you bring John to
this room. If you have shared vision, you have maximum diversity,
which I applaud you for. And if you have that,
(06:20):
if you have people with the shared vision and diversity
of knowledge, diversity of talent, diversity of ethnic background, if
you have an open, transparent system, and if you connect
spiritually and emotionally with each other, then emergence happens. This
(06:42):
is part of our understanding of how breakthroughs happen. It's
no longer one Einstein or a New Turn or even
a doctor Martin Luther King Junior. It has to be
us collectively. And if we can become, as Mahatman Gandhi said,
(07:06):
the change we want to see in the world, then
the world will be different. No amount of angry social
activism can do that. To be an angry peace peace
activist is an oxymoron. I know a lot of Nobel
(07:27):
laureates who won peace prizes, but they're not peaceful. So
peace can only be created by those who feel peaceful
and who are peaceful, just like love can only be
shown by those who have loved, and it begins with
(07:48):
us feeling empathy. Empathy is what is another person feeling.
Do you feel it in your own self? Do you
feel it in your own body? And when you do,
there's a remarkable neuroscience now that when you have empathy,
(08:10):
when you feel what another feels, your brain, your limbic brain,
which is your emotional brain, it resonates with the other
person's emotional brain, and that's the beginning of the process
of healing. We now know the biology of real healing
or self heeling starts with empathy, because then there is
(08:35):
something that happens in the brain. It's called limbic resonance.
Limbic resonance means the healer and the healing resonate with
the same emotional frequency, same emotional bond, and that limbic
resonance then leads to what is called limbic regulation. The
two brains start to regulate each other, and the third
(08:57):
step is limbic revision. The two brains start to heal
each other. This is a biological fact. Empathy also leads
to compassion. Compassion is beyond empathy. It's the desire to
alleviate suffering and has to be spontaneous. It comes not
(09:21):
because of a sense of moral obligation or moral duty,
but because you're compelled internally to alleviate the healing or
the suffering, alleviate the suffering and bring about.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The healing of another.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And compassion leads to love, which is the ultimate healer,
which is basically self regulation. So in biology we look
at two extremes. One is inflammation, which is one extreme
in your body. The word inflammation means to be on fire.
(10:02):
So when your mind is on fire because of anger, hostility, resentments, grievances, hate, guilt, shame, depression,
self blame, lack of self love, then the body goes
into inflammation. And we now know that inflammation is the
(10:25):
common background in almost every chronic illness common background and
almost every chronic illness. Only five percent, only five percent
of disease related gene mutations are fully penetrant and let
me explain what that means. It means that mutations are errors,
(10:45):
genetic errors, or mistakes. So remember I said, the alphabet
of life is DNA, the words are genes, and the
body is a story of the total universe. We are
stardust beings having a conference here in Atlanta, but we
come from the stars. Literally, the carbon in your body
(11:07):
right now, and your fingernails, the oxygen going to your brain,
these all these items have come from different galaxies.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So when I'm saying it took the universe.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
To creative, it literally took the whole universe to creative.
And if you're not totally surprised by the fact that
you exist, then you have not haven't gotten in touch
with your humanity. And when you get in touch with
your humanity and those emotions are so powerfully evoked, empathy
(11:39):
and compassion and love, then there is healing. The word healing,
by the way, the word health, they all mean the
same thing. Health, healing, wholeness. It's the return of the
memory of who we really are. It's the return of
the memory of wholeness. Is the return of the memory
(12:02):
that the entire universe right now is asking you to
be aware of yourself, because at the deepest levels of
our existence, the self of the individual is also the
self of the universe.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Go beyond the.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Secret passages, the dark alleys, the ghost filled attics of
your mind, which is telling a story. Go beyond all that,
and what you find as an inner intelligence, which is
the ultimate and supreme genius in every single human that's born.
(12:41):
A great Indian poet by the name of Tagore said,
every child that is born is proof that God has
not yet given.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Up on human beings.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Every human being is a stardust being having a human experience.
You've heard phrases like we are spiritual beings having a
human experience, or we are non local beings having a
local experience, or we are timeless beings having an experience
(13:20):
in the theater of space, time and causality. But if
you go beyond this, there is this deep intelligence that
mirrors the wisdom of the total universe. Because we are
the universe in ecstatic motion. Even our biological rhythms circadian
(13:44):
rhythms as the Earth spins on its axis, seasonal rhythms
as the Earth goes around the sun, lunar rhythms, gravitational rhythms,
they're programmed into our body. We are part of a symphony.
That's why we call it the universe. You need verse
one song, and we're dancing to it even though we
(14:08):
can't hear the tune. There's a beautiful poem of the
great Sufi poet Room. He says, those who are seen
dancing were thought to be mad by those who could
not hear the music. So if you can hear the music,
then the only response to existence is gratitude and joy
(14:32):
and love and love heals because love is holy, love
is whole, and love brings us back to the memory
of our true self, which is not this ego encapsulated
(14:54):
entity dragging a bag of skin and bones. That's just
a vacation. But right now, and we're messing it up anyway.
So what is that deeper reality that spiritual people call
the spirit or the soul? And other people these days
are trying to get to terms with it because all
(15:18):
our science is telling us that space, time, information, energy, matter.
These are human constructs and they've created a human experience.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
But this is not the true reality.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
We made it up, just like we made up money,
just like we made up Wall Street.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Just what we made up empires.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But we also made up, as I said, horrible things
that are risking our extinction. What is this domain of
existence that is the source of our own thinking, That's
the source of every perception that we have, that's the
source of every human interaction that we have. That's the
(16:02):
source of even our technology today. Even our technology is
a human adventure. But so is everything else that we've created,
including money. We made this thing up. We made up
Greenwich meantime, latitude longitude.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Who says it has to be.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Greenwich meantime, Why not both Swana meantime. You see, we
make up these things and then the way hold them
to be true. But they are human constructs. And all
our science today is telling us that space, time, matter, energy.
(16:46):
Even the fact that you have a physical body is
a human construct. Even the fact that you have a
human body is a construct. When the baby is born,
it has no idea that this is called a hand,
or that this is called a remote controlled switcher. All
(17:10):
the baby experiences colors and sensations and joy and love
and wonder and bewilderment. To all the scientists, I frequently
remind them, we have to exchange our cleverness for bewilderment,
(17:36):
who asked that we should exist, but we do, who
asked that we should be self aware?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
But we are.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Insight, intuition, imagination, creativity, higher vision. This is what we
are capable of, all of us, And so plead today
with all of you, is to take a little time
(18:06):
to reflect on this most important question.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Who are we? What do we want?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
What's our calling? What are we grateful for?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Thank you, thanks for listening to help Global Forms the dialogue.
We hope today's episode has inspired you. Keep the conversation
going by visiting Helpglobalforms dot org and follow us on
social at Hope Global Form. You can find me esen
Scan on Instagram at the Essence of Underscore. Join us
(18:41):
next time for more insights from leaders who are shaping
a better world
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