CFP Chaos Coming + Penn State Latest & Cole Cubelic Joins

Conference championship week predictions are here as Josh breaks down games like Alabama vs UGA, Indiana vs Ohio State, and BYU vs Texas Tech. Will Kirby Smart and UGA take Alabama and Kalen DeBoer down the second time around? How will Ryan Day and Ohio State look against the best team they’ve seen all year? What will Texas Tech look like against BYU? The CFP rankings were released Tuesday night. Where did the CFP have Notre Dame and Miami? Does Alabama really have to win Saturday to make the CFP? What about the ACC disaster scenario or BYU in the Big12? Is Ole Miss safe? What is the latest on the Penn State coaching search? Will we see CFP chaos in the final week of the College Football season? All that plus Cole Cubelic joins the show

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Kid you not. We've had this beautiful studio for like
half the year. Now, first time I've ever turned to
eat on. I've just been cold all day. Started the
day in New York City. A lot of you saw
us do get up this morning. Pleasure, Pleasure was all
ours to be there in Nashville. Now got to go
to Atlanta later tonight, got a big day, got a
big weekend in Atlanta. I'm not asking you to feel
sorry for me. I'm just asking you to feel a

(00:38):
little bit sorry for me. It is Thursday, it is
December fourth, the year of our Lord, twenty twenty five.
Jam packed that hold on. That is the sound of
a stack of papers, the likes of which we could
only have in front of us. With conference championship weekend
and maybe just college football playoff chaos weekend on the horizon, Yes,
college football playoff. It's the talk of the town, Jesse.

(00:59):
Have you noticed talk of several towns. Albany, Georgia, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
two of the places they're watching this tonight. I'm gonna
talk about it at a lot of different angles. We're
gonna have cublic on Noil later. Of course, we're gonna
dive back into Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Alabama. I've got
some swinging theories about the committee itself, but we'll talk
about all that. I got a couple of big announcements.

(01:21):
It's just it is a monumentally big time around the show.
We surpass five hundred subs the other night on air
hoops to the thunket. So thank you guys so much.
Talk about the live show more a little bit later.
They're watching us, like I said, in Albany, Georgia, but
probably Albany, New York, Harrisburg, PA, Flagstaff, Arizona, and Katie, Texas.
All right, mentioned a big announcement. Lock in on me

(01:43):
for a second. There are several big things happening around here,
but I would argue none bigger than what we're about
to do this Saturday SEC Championship Georgia versus Alabama, four
o'clock Eastern time kickoff there in Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia,
carried proudly on ABC. However, I can proudly announce that
if you take that remote control flip over to ESPN,

(02:05):
you'll see for the first time ever, yours truly, along
with Taylor Lawant and Will Compton and Harry Douglass providing
you an altcast right there on the field. The four
of us will be live on big ESPN. Not that
there's a small one, but big ESPN, the four letters
as big as it gets. Mike's in hand, live cameras.

(02:25):
Anything can happen, hopefully a really good football game. What
an incredible privilege. A big, big thanks to Pat McAfee
and his folks for making that happen. Big thanks to
ESPN for making that happen. Now we just have to
make it happen. But really, the pressure's not on us,
Caitlin de Bor, Kirby Smarter, you listening. The pressure's really
on you, guys. We're just there to narrate. You paint

(02:47):
the picture, we'll describe it. I would humbly suggest that
you guys check us out. We may not do a
half bad job Saturday. I'm gonna have a lot of
fun with that. Okay, let's dive in, I tweeted out
earlier today. I think that we've got some room for
mail bag. I mean, we've broken down the games already,
so everyone's talking about all sorts of different things, I said,
Jesse dial up the mail bag, give me what the

(03:10):
people are asking. I put the tweet out. He picked
out the best replies. Let's start with this. Richard East Lansing,
Michigan said, I'm a Michigan State fan. I just want
the college football playoff picture to burn. What should I
root for?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Richard?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I understand where you're coming from. There, Brighter days are ahead.
Congrats on the hire of Pat Fitzgerald. You're going to
right a lot of wrongs over the past few years.
So Richard, you just want calamity. You're hurting. Richard says
he's hurting, he's bleeding. He wants others to bleed along
with him. It's an unhealthy mentality, but I respect you
for being honest about it. Here's what you want to

(03:45):
root for. Clearly, to me, the biggest chaos mechanism in
this whole thing is not pictured on the graphic Bradley
is showing you. What do you mean, did Bradley punch
the wrong graphic?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Not this time. No, he never does. But Duke's not
top twenty five because Duke's not a top twenty five team,
nor a top thirty five team. But they are playing
in the ACC Championship. Game Saturday, and so Richard, I
would suggest to you the biggest chaos maker would just
be Duke winning the ACC championship. Now, for those of
you who don't really pay attention to odds, Duke's a

(04:19):
three and a half point dog. That's it against Virginia. Humbly,
I would lean Virginia in the game. But if you're
rooting for chaos, you don't want to lean favorite, Richard,
you want to lean underdog. Now here's why that matters.
As we know, as most of us know, I've got
to assume someone's kind of coming back. Because you only

(04:39):
pay attention come playoff time. This is no way to live.
By the way. You need to be locked in from
week one. But if you are one that just came
in from the countryside because you heard the playoff horn sound,
remember what the rules are and remember what the rules
aren't With the playoff, the rule is not all the
power for conference champs get in the playoff. Even though
an alarmingly high percentage of the the public believes that's

(05:01):
the case, that is not the case. The rule is
the five highest ranked conference champs period get auto bids,
and then seven at large teams get auto bids now
or not autobids, they get a yeah at large bids.
It was always assumed by people, including me, that we've
only got four Power conferences. If you're giving five spots

(05:24):
to the highest ranked conference champs, surely anyone good enough
to win a Power for conference is going to be
among the five highest ranked conference champs. Most years, it
would be a slam dunk. It would be a no brainer.
This is not that year. If Duke wins this thing,
there is sure to be one G five champ ranked higher.
I don't even care who wins the American either team

(05:46):
will be ranked higher. And there is a distinct possibility
if jmu if James Madison just wins as a three
plus touchdown favorite against Troy, there will be two G
five champ ranked higher than Duke, which means Richard the
ACC champs out, which kicks in the ACC doomsday scenario

(06:07):
that the Committee could find themselves facing, and that would
be where the dust settles on Conference Championship Saturday. They
come in in the wee hours of Saturday night Sunday morning,
and they've got to figure out their rankings, and they've
got them all sorted out, except they realize oh, oh,
we put all the conference champs in. There's no ACC
in there. We've got a conundrum on our hands. Are

(06:28):
we going to be able to put an ACC team in?
And that's where we have to find out what Brigham
Young did. You're gonna have to follow me here. Brigham
Young's not in the ACC. But here's what I'm thinking, Richard.
What I'm thinking. The committee will never admit it. But
what I'm thinking is if they do get to that rubicon,
they may be willing to cross it and put Miami in.

(06:50):
And here's what would help them. What would help them
is if Brigham Young loses and they drop out of
the way and it's just Miami versus Notre Dame right
next to each other. I think some minds can change
at the eleventh hour in that room about how they
value head to head, and I think it would be
enough to catapult Miami over Notre Dame and put them
in the playoff to represent the ACC. Is it supposed

(07:12):
to work that way? Of course not. We've long since
stopped caring about how it's supposed to work around here. Frankly,
none of us even know. I mean, do you watch
the playoff committee reveal on Tuesday night. Do you hear
those ridiculous explanations? So that's one thing. Here's another thing.
I just mentioned the concept of Brigham Young losing. It's
chaos potentially whether they win or they lose, Richard, So

(07:34):
you just root for the Big twelve championship game. You
can be like Rob Low. You just put on a
Big twelve hat instead of the NFL hat. Because if
Brigham Young wins Saturday, then they're going to the playoff.
They'll be one of the five highest rint conference champs.
They're going to the playoffs, so is Texas Tech. That
means two Big twelve teams in the playoff, which we

(07:55):
didn't plan on, and that means someone's got to fall out.
That someone is, in all likelihood Notre Dame. That would
be a mess. Now, there are some people out there
who believe, no, it doesn't have to be that way.
Alabama could get blown out in their conference championship game
and they drop out. I have to see that to
believe it. First off, because I don't think the Maama's

(08:16):
gonna get blown out even if they lose. Secondly, even
if they do, even if it's thirty five to ten,
I don't think the committee's dropping them out, but for
reasons that I'll talk about in just a second. But
if Notre Dame is sitting there and they watch Brigham
Young lose, it's not cause for celebration quite yet either, because,
like I just said, five minutes ago, three minutes ago,

(08:39):
a Brigham Young win and they're in and Notre Dame's out.
A Brigham Young loss, then you start asking how bad
does Brigham Young have to lose for the committee to
drop them, because the Committee, generally speaking, is not in
the business of punishing you for losing a conference championship
game when everyone else is sitting home. Like I firmly
believe that, but look at him sitting right there at
number eleven as well as I do. The Big twelve

(09:01):
is not respected in that committee room as much as
the Big ten in the SEC. So while I sit
in here and confidently say Alabama can get blown out
and I don't think they're dropping out, I can't say
that for Brigham Young. Also, it wouldn't pain the committee
nearly as much to drop them, because they're already not
in the playoff to begin with. You drop Bama, you
would be dropping them out of the playoff. Brigham Young
wouldn't have been in the playoff unless they win their conference.

(09:23):
But if they drop them just one spot, that puts
Miami in Notre Dame head to head in that conversation
could get interesting, especially pending Duke or Duke's outcome. The
third thing is I think the same thing applies to Alabama,
not in the same sense. Okay, I just told you
I think Bama's in either way. If they lose, We're
gonna find out how much it's possible to be penalized

(09:47):
for losing a major premiere Power two conference championship game.
Power two is a classification of college football that doesn't
officially exist, much like Area forty nine or fifty one
Area forty nine. I don't know maybe where the real
secrets are at, but it's not supposed to be power
to but it really is. We're gonna find out how
much you can get punished for losing that game. We

(10:08):
already talked about that. What happens if Bama wins blowout game,
close game. They're number nine right now. I've heard some
people I respect who have said they don't think Bama
can jump up past number five, and I completely disagree.
Not only do I disagree, I think if they win
by one point over Georgia, they're gonna be a top

(10:29):
four seed and have a first round by Again, I
just want to remind you to suggest anything other than
that would be to be telling the SEC's one seed.
Even though they're ranked behind Georgia, they are technically the
one seed. You just won the conference as the one seed,
but we're not gonnavault you up there. Instead, what we're
gonna do is a side note, how far do they

(10:51):
drop Georgia. Is that gonna be a world where Georgia
doesn't drop out of the top four, Bama doesn't rise
into the top four, and in the ad it's just
Texas Tech that sits there, or or what could happen.
Just on the flip side of that is the committee
agrees with me, and so Ohio State and Indiana are
gonna be one two either way. Georgia is either three

(11:14):
or four either way, because they're not gonna drop them
much at all, even if they lose and they Bama up.
And look what that gives us at the end of
the day. It gives us what we were penciling in
here a month ago. The big ten champ, the Big
ten runner up, the SEC champ, and the SEC runner
up as having the first round buys the alternative there

(11:36):
or the I guess the counter there is, well, what
about Texas Tech? I don't know. That's why we're speaking
in hypotheticals. What I don't think is gonna happen is
I don't think Oregon is going to jump up there
in the top four at the expense of Alabama not
jumping up there if they win the conference. That's what
I don't think will happen. So, yeah, there's there's a
lot stort out here, Richard. I think it's gonna be

(11:58):
a good weekend for you, but it has not been
a good month for you. But I think it'll be
a good weekend, especially Richard, if you stop by Quick Trip.
Not mandatory, but you admitted it yourself. Live Spin kind
of poor. Is of late Live Spin on the skids
a little bit. And it's not your fault, Michigan State fan.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's not your fault.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
But you do control certain things, Richard. One of them
is where do you get your cold brew? You could
get it on tap at quick Trip. You could fuel
up at Quick Trip, you could fuel up the tummy
at Quick Trip as well. They are our ride or
Die partner. They're going to be on hand at the
live show tomorrow night in Atlanta. It could be tonight,
depending on when you're listening to or watching the show.

(12:39):
I love them. I don't say it enough, and it's
not Look, this is the ad copy they give me.
It says QT that's it. So I just roll with it,
and fortunately they trust me to do that, and I
just sometimes have to say I love them and I
Quick Trip Joe. I don't tell you that enough, Bud,
but I love you, and so does our audience, especially

(12:59):
the one you give free guess to tomorrow night. Thank
you in advance. Maybe I'll be one. We had another
thing about the playoff that I wanted to hit out
of the whole batch that Jesse sent me. Kyle Knoxville, Tennessee.
He said, I need the commissioner to help us. How
would you fix the college football playoff? Now, hold on

(13:20):
a second, hold it, hold it, hold it, Kyle. It's
not the first time that you have presented a submission
to the show. That you have contributed to the mailbag.
I appreciate it, but we happen to have record of
your submissions. You are an expansionist, Kyle. It's okay. I
fought against it, you fought, you beat me, you won

(13:42):
fair and square. Why does it need to be fixed?
You got what you wanted, didn't you. Oh you mean
it's not perfect out here? And imagine this, Kyle. Imagine
if a year and a half or two years ago
you would have seen this situation right now. What situation
is that, I'll tell you. The situation is you got
the expanded playoff you wanted at the expense of what

(14:05):
I wanted, and now you're asking me how to fix
the thing that you got that you wanted. And listen
to this, Kyle. I'm going to be the one to
tell you. I don't think it's broken. There are mechanisms
of it that I would love to overhaul, namely the
entire way the committee operates. But I don't think the

(14:26):
thing's broken at all. What's your evidence that it's broken?
Kyle's not alone on this. I know a lot of
you think the playoffs messed up. So do you think
the Committee's messed up? Or do you think the playoffs
messed up? I guess that's the first thing, because we
could fix the committee by just getting a new committee
or by redefining the process of the committee, but keep
the playoff the same. When I'm thinking playoff, I'm thinking

(14:48):
format and size. That's what I'm thinking. And if you're
saying it's messed up, that means we need to change
the bracket. And I don't think we need to. So
if you do think we need to, if you do
think it's messed up and it needs to be fixed,
what's wrong with it? That's my question. And my prediction
is people are going to talk about Texas, and they're

(15:11):
going to talk about Vanderbilt. They're going to talk about
Brigham Young. They may talk about Alabama. If Alabama were
to lose Saturday and they get left out, Notre Dame
absolutely could get left out of this thing. But my
question is, how does that prove there's anything wrong with it?
That doesn't prove there's anything wrong, that proves someone's upset
because they didn't make the playoff. But you see children

(15:33):
crying all the time at your local daycare. Just because
the kids crying doesn't mean anything's wrong. Sometimes kids cry
because kids pitch fits all the time, just because people
are upset. In college football, doesn't necessarily mean anything's wrong
with it. It's not necessarily evidence in and of itself,
then anything's wrong with it. So if you do think

(15:56):
that there's evidence just because Vandy's upset, they're not in
Texas or Miami is upset there or not? And if
you think that alone is evidence, well what do you
want to do? What's your answer? Is your answer to
expand it more? A lot of people think that, a
lot of people think, oh, we'll solve all these problems
if we expand to sixteen. Of course you won't completely
flawed logic, of course you won't. But walk me down
that road. What do you need? Do you just need

(16:18):
five plus nine? Like? Do we go from five plus
seven to five plus or I guess it would be
five plus eleven? Is that what we would do? Would
that be good? Would that solve it? Would you be
willing to swear under oath that'll take care of it?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
No, you won't, No, you won't. All that does is
slide the Overton window a little bit. You know, there
was a time not too long ago where we had
a four team playoff, and a time before that where
we had a two team playoff, and any of us
in those eras would have looked down the road and
laughed hysterically at the concept of us debating which team

(16:55):
in the country should be eleven and which should be
ten at the end of the year. You know why
would laugh at it, because we would be looking at
it and properly saying, do any of those teams in
that cluster really deserve to play for a national championship?
Do they deserve it? Not saying could they get granted
an opportunity, but do they deserve it? Like, do they

(17:17):
have a legitimate gripe that they have met the baseline requirement,
They've met the threshold that it should take to compete
for a title. You would have laughed at yourself. But
we moved the Overton window of what is and isn't
acceptable as we expanded the playoff, And then if we
expanded it again, we'd move it again, and sure enough
to be a team ranked nineteenth and you would be

(17:38):
up in arms, and someone would be saying, you know,
the big tens idea to go to twenty four wasn't
so bad. It would happen within a year or two years.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Because many of you are making arguments that you would
have laughed at three or four years ago. So what
format do you want? How big does the playoff have
to be to be fixed? A lot of people want
to go to sixteen cause they say they don't want
first round buys, And to that, I say, I think

(18:07):
that's what those conference championship games are for. Like if
you ever want to balance out, Hey, why should we
want to play for a conference championship? Well, because it
could be that win or lose, as long as you
make that game, probably got a first round by coming up.
Ohio State and Indiana can say that. Maybe Georgia and
Alabama can say that if Bama wins, But you know

(18:28):
what Bama could have done taken care of business against
Oklahoma and then would be saying the same thing about
both of them. Don't matter whether you win to lose,
you're gonna get a first round by anyway. One of
you's gonna take some hardware home. One of you's gonna
have more favorable positioning. I just I zoom out every
time I start to do this. I'm not being a
hypocrite here. I've complained about a lot this postseason. A

(18:48):
lot of mine's been more procedural, a lot of mine
has not so much had to do with the fact
that I think there's this egregious misranking. I do disagree
that Notre Dame's over Miami. That's small like it's a
complete open and shut slam dunk case. There are arguments
for Notre Dame. I just happen to believe the argument
for Miami over Notre Dame has more merit to it.

(19:10):
But that's not what I've trafficked in. What I've trafficked in,
if I've got a big gripe, is the procedure of
the playoff, the way the committee claims it operates versus
the way it really does operate, that sort of thing.
But I always try and take myself back to five, six, seven,
eight years ago, whatever. And I just pictured myself watching

(19:30):
a future version of myself, which is supposed to be
an older, wiser version. And what am I doing. I'm
sitting here, having watched Miami loose to Louisville and SMU
and I'm about to pound my fist on the table,
claiming they're getting screwed out of something they're not. There
are varying degrees of deservedness that teams have when it
comes to the playoff, and I think Miami deserves a

(19:52):
spot over Notre Dame. They're not getting screwed. If they
don't make it in. They screwed themselves. It may be
a little unfair. It's just like if you're a three
touchdown favorite in a football game and it's deadlocked, it's even,
and it's twenty to twenty and it's fourth and goal,
and you think the ball carrier made the line the game,

(20:12):
but they call him short and then they go to
the replay and there's no camera angle, and so you think,
oh man, the refs just screwed us. The refs didn't
screw you. You were a three touchdown favorite for a reason.
It never should have come down to that. So do
I think Miami should get in the playoff? Absolutely? I do, However,
and I want to stop singling them out like Vanderbilt.
Do I think it's a shame that they're not going

(20:33):
to get the playoff Texas? Do? They have a gripe,
of course, but the committee's not screwing them. They screwed themselves.
Texas don't go loose to Florida. Vanderbilt a little more
product of schedule than anything else. They've largely done the job. Miami.
Just mentioned those two games Alabama, not that I think
they should be left out, but the Oklahoma game. I mean,

(20:53):
you can't let that stuff happen and still claim to
have this orb, this protective orb around you. So if
you like opinions like that, boy, do I have news
for you Tomorrow night, Big Happenings. We are twenty four
hours away from our first ever live event in Atlanta, Georgia,

(21:14):
Buckhead Theater, seven o'clock start time, Friday night, SEC Championship
Game EVE. I know a lot of Georgia fans live there.
I know a lot of Bama fans will be in town.
Those are two of our biggest viewer bases, along with
Ohio State that we have on this show. And Ohio
State's not allowed to play in that game. So it's
up to you, guys. We got a couple of dozen
tickets left. This will sell out sometime during the day tomorrow.

(21:37):
Peatestatematerial dot com is where you can go to purchase
your tickets. Great romantic date night idea. Ladies of Peate
State welcome as well. But I want to emphasize this
is not a version of this show that we're doing live.
This is a completely different thing altogether. We got a
lot of special guests we have confirmed, for example, one

(21:58):
Cole Kublick will be joining us tomorrow night. One Taylor Lwan,
one Will Compton will be joining us tomorrow night. I'm
even told that Savannah State herself could be joining us
tomorrow night, as well as several other close personal friends
of the show whose names you would recognize, but we
haven't quite firmed down yet. But we'll be in the neighborhood.

(22:19):
This will be really fun. It'll be really fun. It'll
be sort of off the record. We're not broadcasting it
anywhere like this is a live ticketed event. It's for
our ears and eyes only, and a couple of dozen
tickets remain. Gonna have a lot of fun with it.
Highly encourage you guys to be there. Why do I
encourage you because it will make me feel good if
you're there, and we'd like to hang out with you
as much as possible. All right, let's roll on really

(22:46):
really hard hitting pressing question here in the mail bag, Bradley.
It goes without saying, I don't need an individual cut
from this question, but we have, for instance, over my
shoulder here that we have the Peate State Freight's logo,
the little circular logo. You see that we have a
train right in the middle of it. What is that?

(23:10):
I freely acknowledge that there are new viewers and new
listeners to the show every single show. And so you
see that and you're like, I guess that's just some
inside joke. I don't get it, but don't worry. They'll
talk about college football. I do understand that. Like, why
is there a Twister movie poster on the wall? Well,
I'll explain Twister some other time. But Peate State was

(23:32):
kind of a name we came up with to describe
our entire community here, our entire family, our entire army.
I don't think just a community gets five hundred thousand
subs across the finish line live on air Tuesday Night.
But then I thought to myself, we gotta have a name.
We gotta have a mascot. Peate State Frights kind of
rolls off the tongue. Some would say it rhymes and
we gotta have a mascot. Right, there's Chuggy right there.

(23:54):
Where do we come up with all that?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Well?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
I love trains, I love trains. Have since I was
a kid. There are some things I've grown out of.
For example, I used to eat Vienna sausages all the
time as a kid. Can't stand them now, so I
grew out of that. I used to love eating play
though as well, and while I would still admit it
tastes good, my palette has matured and I don't eat
playdough anymore. But I loved freight trains, freight trains only,

(24:18):
no Amtrak here. Freight trains only I loved as a kid.
I still love them. I may love them even more
as an adult than I did as a kid. Let
me drop something along you one time. Emily Proud, who
we used to work with over at CBS, she asked
me one day, just straight dead serious, facius one, what
is it specifically about freight trains that fascinates you so much?

(24:39):
I said, firstly, logistics and power, those two things, but
also I think a manifest freight train, which is just
a bunch of random cars. That style of freight train.
It's really analogous to watching a person walk by you
in a crowd, Like if you're at a sporting event,

(24:59):
you're gonna see tens of thousands of human beings that
you'll never see again in your life. Okay, it's gonna
sound insane, but this is how my mind works. If
you walk, if you watch someone walk by you, like
in a food court, in a mall or something like that,
that person came from somewhere. They're on their way somewhere.
They're carrying things, of course, figuratively inside them, inside their mind.

(25:23):
They've got passion, they've got talent, they've got scars, they've
got experiences, likes and dislikes, traumas, victories, They've got all
those things you'll never know because you never even said hey,
and then they just move on. I think the same
thing when I'm watching freight trains go by. I'm just
utterly fascinated. This box car right here. Where did it originate,

(25:44):
where does it terminate? What's its destination, what is it carrying?
Who's the manufacturer, who's the supplier, who's the client? Always
fascinated me. So we needed a mascot. We chose a train.
That's the story. There was a question, by the way,
I didn't mention that I bury the lead. Someone asked
why peyt State frights, Well, that's why. And on a

(26:05):
very very related note, This was wise of you, Jesse.
I see what you did here. You can go to
paintstatemterial dot com right now. Actually this sounds sort of
pathetic now that I think about it, but you know what,
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Speaker 1 (29:16):
I'll tell you what else is fun. What else is
fun is who we have right now. And with that,
you know him, you love him, but really especially you
know him, it is cold. Jeremy Beds cublick on the
eve eve of the SEC Championship game, but just flat
out on the eve of what some are calling and
I'm reading it right here one of the bigger appearances

(29:37):
in your life Live show Tomorrow night Over in Atlanta.
Hope you're ready, Hope, You've prepared a lot of material
that I didn't tell you to prepare. Where's your head
at with this whole weekend coming up?

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Uh, just you know, live audiences and things or something.
I'm just not used to. So that's gonna be a
whole new format for me. Not sure how the nerves
are gonna deal with it, but we're gonna do our best.
We're gonna try appreciate.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
The shout out on Tuesday Date Night podcast. By the way,
the Live show got a shout out on Tuesday Date Night,
mainly from Catherine Tie.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
So that's how we get mentioned on this show. I'll
jef that down.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
This is a straight barter system. It always has been,
it always will be, all right. So they're talking a
lot about conference championship games in the Big Ten, I
mean the Big Ten. Obviously, those two I think it's
obvious those two teams are gonna be in. They're gonna
be first round bys. No matter how that shakes out.
Its just the order. SEC is a little bit different,

(30:32):
but broad strokes purposes. I don't think I've ever heard
more collective noise about the state of the future of
conference championship games. Now, I had you on the show
like five months ago, and we were talking about that.
We were all the way back at SEC media days,
kind of just trying to look across the landscape and
see how much longer is this world of conference championship games.

(30:53):
I think if they crystallize their value, they'll always have
a place. That's why I think this weekend and the
SEC is a really big test and it's kind of
a two way thing for Bama. It actually doesn't involve
Georgia at all to me because they're in win or lose.
But with Alabama, I know you chopped this up all
week like I have lose, and I still say they've
got to be in When this may even be it's

(31:16):
not quite as interesting, but almost as interesting as if
they lose. I think if they win, they got to
get one of those first round by spots. Otherwise, you
just told your top overall seed by seedings purposes in
the SEC that you just won our conference championship. But
we're gonna put a third Big Ten team in the
top four that sat at home on conference championship Saturday.

(31:37):
So we'll get to the game in a second, but
just general thoughts on where we are on conference championship structure.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah, you mentioned showing their value. I might look at
this as from the other side, the opposite end of that,
as to if this is shown to harm specifically one
of these SEC teams, what does the future of this
game look like and how quickly does it change.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Hypothetically, let's say the path you were.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Going to down there, Alabama drops this game, even if
it's ugly, even if it's you know, twenty one to three,
something along those lines, and they're left out. And I
ask you dead serious point, blaying, Josh, do we have
this game next year, or at least in the same format.
Do we have this game next year? Because I'm not
sure we do. I think things could change that rapidly
if it ends up costing the SEC a spot in

(32:21):
the College Football Playoff. I agree with you that they're
in no matter what, think they should be, specifically since
they beat this team on.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
The road earlier this year.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
But there are gonna be other intangibles, other variables that
are going to play into that. And then two, as
you mentioned, when it comes down to seating, it's only
gonna take one or two of these. I'll quote Brian
Kelly here, you only need one. It's only gonna take
one of these teams to be hurt from a seating standpoint,
or to actually be included. That it's not just the
SEC that we could potentially see some of these games

(32:51):
go away, and it's probably gonna be more towards the
protecting of the top of the league's as it is. Oh,
we want to make sure that one of the teams
that's number four, five, six had the chance to play
their way into this tournament. I think things could change
rapidly if we see more harm than good done with
these games here in the next year or two. And
it could it might only take one this year for

(33:13):
that to change significantly. And you know, just like I do,
one of these leagues does it the others are gonna
follow immediately.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yep, yeah, no, I completely agree with that. Like, there
could be a really, really violent shift. That's totally dependent
on how the committee handles this. All right, Bradley, For
future purposes, here's a good endpoint for you, Alabama Georgia
around two. The working theory is it's really hard to
beat a team a second time. I would argue it's
hard to beat a team like Georgia one time, especially
in their buildings. So Alabama did it. Then. I was

(33:40):
talking to some folks at Georgia earlier today say kind
of how do you guys feel? And the main takeaway was,
all right, Drew Bobo out starting center out. We can't
sugarcoat that. That's a huge loss for us. But remember
what we were missing the first time around against Alabama.
We were all banged up at our tackle spots. Pass
rush hadn't come on and yet, and then those lights

(34:01):
that were red are now kind of green, even though
you didn't see it last week. You hope that if
you need to put the game in gun or Stockton's hands,
he can get the job done. You just and this
is me talking now. I go back to last week
on the road playing the Iron Bowl. You get the
win if you're Alabama, but Auburn broke too defensively what
you would call pretty inexplicable explosives on you, and those

(34:22):
were yards after catch type explosives. And then I look
at what zachar Yah Branch could present in terms of problems.
Both teams are banged up. What's not funny. We were
talking about the committee earlier. What's funny is the losing
team could come out of this and weaponize the committee's
own protocol, their own stated protocol against them, and they
could say, well, you can't be punished in us. Man,
we were banged up. We'll be healthy for the playoff,

(34:42):
you know, so we should have minimal punishment here. I
very very very slightly went Georgia in this game. I
did the first time. They lost on me the first time,
so I'm gonna double dip on it and see if
I'm right this time. I really think it's a close game.
Turnovers again, third down. Don't know if Bama's going thirteen
of nineteen again, know if George is going two of
eight again. Maybe a little progression and regression to the

(35:03):
mean there, but just a couple of bounds of ball
plays probably the difference.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
To me.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Quickly, I'm just gonna note to write this down again.
You said the committee has and keeps protocol.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I let me rephrase, the committee has said some stuff loosely,
just making sure, Yeah, they would call that protocol. I'm
not gonna go that far. I'm gonna call it stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Got it.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
I think stuff is a much more technically acceptable term
there for what we have seen this season. I like
where you're going with some of the scenarios that are
almost exact and premise of what these two teams have
shown to either be good at and then what they've
shown to give up.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
So I'm gonna take.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
That a step further with you and go to a
couple more things go back to the LSU game for Alabama,
and I actually spoke to Kane Walmock after this game
and I said, is that the most you guys have
moved all season? I haven't seen your defensive line beyond
the move that much And he said, oh, by long shot,
wasn't even close. Well, go back to the Auburn game
a couple of weeks later this past Saturday. That movement

(36:08):
cost them yards on a very consistent basis. Now, it
wasn't always the defensive line. Sometimes the nickel that was
supposed to be down and run support was out in coverage,
so there was some confusion other places. But especially with
those plus one quarterback runs. That was problematic at times
for the Alabama defense. What's Georgia gonna do? Plus one
quarterback runs? Flipped that around? Kane Wammack's vision defense is

(36:33):
based essentially in zone principles. Gunner Stockton did not see
coverage well when Georgia Tech played zone last week.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
So here's what I'm struggling with, Josh.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Do we get caught just in the last week or
two or three, or do we look collectively where these
teams have been all season? Because you brought up the
last time that they met, I felt great about Alabama.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
The last time these two teams met, felt pretty good
about Georgia.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Remember coming off that Tennessee game, we were like, I
know what Georgia is. My opinion hasn't changed, but my
opinion at Tennessee might be skyrocketing because we were probably
a little bit down on them going into the season.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I was pretty high on Bama then.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
I don't know if I feel as good about Alabama
right now due to some of those offensive line struggles.
This might not be five years ago Georgia front seven,
but it's turned into a pretty good front seven.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Christian Miller's making plays.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
You got thirty three zero nine all finding ways to
get to the quarterback, and this Alabama offensive line has
just flat been inconsistent. So I would probably be with you,
even though I think there are strengths with both of
these teams that play into the weaknesses of the opposition
depending on which side of the balls on the field.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I'll go more philosophical with you here.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
From my last point, this whole Kirby smart Bama in
his head thing can't last forever.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
That's where I keep going with this is there's no
way that that's just going to continue down this path.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Kirby Smart's too good of a coach. Kirby Smart has too.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Good And it's not that Alabama doesn't have good players
or Caitlyn de Bores not a good coach, but this
isn't gonna continue. It just isn't like college football history
doesn't say that one of the greatest to ever live
just couldn't do this for a very extended period of time.
So I think that potentially is another part of why
this reverse is. And I'm with you. In a game

(38:22):
that I could probably see going twenty different ways, I'll
take Georgia to sneak it out.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
They dropped a stat on me this morning that really
hit me in the face. The trivia question was which
SEC head coach has lost the most SEC championship games
in the history of the game, which dates back to
ninety two. So the answer was Kirby. Now, the side
note to that is you know you have to get
there to lose them. But then I was looking at
that graphic there, so I guess Ricked okay, Ricked had three,

(38:50):
Fulmer had three, I think Spurriyer had three. They were
all tied and then.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Kirby's going to guess Spurrier.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, Like, Kirby's got like four or five point being
three of them are to Alabama. So you can even
take the trivia a step further. Kirby's got more SEC
Championship game losses just to Alabama than at the end
of the coach has in the history of the conference
playing anyone, one and seven all the time. Yeah, I
agree with you. I've never even thought about it like that.
I know it's very popular in Alabama circles to talk

(39:15):
about it, you know, the same way Bama folks talk
about playing on a road at Jordan Hare Stadium like
it's a curse. It's just a mental block. It's just
blocking and tackling an execution, and the other team happens
to have done it better than you. You know, maybe
a little justin Field's fake punt every now and then,
a little bit of head scratcher, but in general, I
don't know. Yeah, but there's nothing. I think. The only
thing that would probably shock me is the blowout scenario,

(39:37):
and that's just because I never see it between these two,
So that's all that would surprise me.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I'm just gonna one more real quick put this in
my journal, made note Josh had never thought of before got.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It, never thought of the blowout.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Yeah, I will say the health you brought up probably
like lt Overton yesterday, seeing his status for this game.
I think that kind of came out of nowhere. Bama
was a little bit dinged up. Not that George is
completely healthy across the board. You mentioned Drew Bobo, But
does that kind of catch up. And I don't know
if you can institute this into your team this way, Josh,
but Alabama probably needs the extra week more than Georgia

(40:13):
right now. Not that either team wants the extra game.
But if you're looking at health top to bottom, you
go back to two weeks ago when now Bama plays
that non con game and let us weekend, Bernard sits out,
brailsforst sits out. I mean, now what you're seeing on
the injury report, you're probably sitting there thinking to yourself,
if we could get that bye week, that would be massive.
How do you inject that into your team though, and

(40:34):
say this game's more important so you can have a rest.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
I don't know if guys buy into that or play
any differently that way.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I just wrote down three numbers on my piece of paper, like,
all right, Isaiah Horton's doing his job, Jeremy Bernard has
done his job all year, Lotsier Brooks seventeen, he's come
on strong as of late. And they all got the
number two written down here. And I don't know anyone's
guess is as good as mine as to kind of
what's happened to Williams. I think one of the most

(41:03):
shocked to the senses but not overly shocking type thing
that could happen in this game Saturday, is all of
a sudden, he just re emerges, and if he does,
you like, I have not heard many people mention Ryan
Williams's name in this game breakdown because he really hasn't
done anything much as of late, but yet there he is,
had a little bit of a hamstring thing all year,
but he's playing like he's on the field. That would

(41:25):
be the one thing where if we're at halftime and
he's got four catches for eighty three yards in a
touchdown already, you're going like, yeah, I just I don't
know that I expected that, which would be weird. Given
Ryan williams history against Georgia.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
The reasoning that, I would say, well, first off, you
and I have had this conversation before. Nothing truly surprises
me in college football anymore because I feel like we've
just seen everything and always prepare for something bananas to.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Take place at that position.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I do think it's more mental than people believe, specifically
with the drops. It's not like this young man doesn't
know how to catch a football. It's not like he
hasn't caught one hundred thousand footballs in his lifetime.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
He has, so, whether you want to relate.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
It to a golfer with the yips, a baseball player
in a slump, whatever it is, somehow, some way, confidence
is what will bring this back. So if you get
him one on one early in this game and he
makes a move and makes a circus at catch, does
a three sixty, gets out of it, and goes for
a seventy two yard touchdown, it wouldn't surprise me from

(42:28):
that point on. If Ty Simpson says, all right, let's
try him again, and it works, and it works and
it works. Some of that will have to be with
Georgia managing coverage over him if he gets favorable matchups.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But I see that position like listen.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I'm I'm not trying to dog on receivers here, but
let's be honest. Do we view them as the most
mentally tough players on most teams? Probably not, Like do
we have certain guys in the past that were that,
of course, Like there's no part of me that questioned
Jamar Chase's mental toughness, Like I just don't think that
that it's a real thing, Like Calvin Johnson. I don't

(43:02):
question Randy Moss's mental toughness.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
So like a Marquise Mays.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I've heard Maceilroy tell stories about him, like, would never
question his mental toughness, but we know collectively it's probably
not that across the board, which also tells me that
when something good goes their way, if that is the
hurdle that's in front of them, you can probably clear it.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
For good very quickly.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Whereas you get an offensive tackle, you gotta be mentally
tough to even do the things that are asked to do.
You get beat a couple times by say a Will
Anderson or a wit Weeks early in the game, you're
probably done for the afternoon. Like you're not really bouncing
back from that because now you're constantly thinking about what's
going to be next, how it's gonna happen. I could
see that position having a quicker mental bounce back than

(43:45):
maybe a lot of others on the field.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, you want to go to the SEC Championship game.
It says it sold out. That's never really true. You
can go to seat geek right now, enter the code
paid ten. And the reason you want to do that
is not just because we get credit for it. It's
because you get ten percent off your order. Ten percent
off that purchase of tickets to the SEC Championship Game.
Mind you would be a pretty significant chunk of change that,

(44:08):
of course you could theoretically then use at the Peyate
State Store. I don't want to tell you how to
spend your money. I'm just saying it is the Christmas season.
There are a lot of really really good looking gifts
over there. So seat geek if you're going to go
to the game, If you're buying tickets to anything, this
weekend could be big twelve, could be big ten. Just
make sure you go to seat geek first paid ten
at checkout. All Right, two weeks ago, we had you

(44:30):
on and we didn't really plan what we were going
to say we never planned what we're gonna say, but
we really, really really didn't plan that day, and we said, hey,
let's just kind of randomly say what's on our mind.
Imagine that, by the way, So I'm gonna hit you
with one, and then I'll just hit the ping pong
ball over there and you can hit me with one.
Everyone is looking at the fact that the ACC could

(44:50):
potentially get a very very underwhelming team in here if
Virginia were to win the conference title. Everyone's looking at
how pathetic the conference title matchup is to begin with.
In the ACC. Everyone's talking about how outside of the SEC,
in the Big ten, the landscape just looks void of
premier teams, which is true. And yet I sit here
and just zoom out for a second and say, wait

(45:13):
a minute, are we really about to blame the ACC
for this? Are we gonna blame the Big twelve for this?
Conference realignment, which none of us really liked when it happened,
is still the real culprit over in the corner. It's
just you got so tired of banging on conference realignment
that you tried to look elsewhere. No, it's just conference realignment.

(45:33):
It's the reason why you've got teams in the ACC.
I can't remember who it was. It may have been
Duke in Miami that had two common opponents in conference play,
which is utterly insane. But you've also got high value
properties like Texas and Oklahoma. One will be in the playoff,
the other swears they should be in the playoff. Neither
are in the Big twelve anymore, mind you. And so

(45:54):
I've got way way bloated conferences, and I've got most
of the prize proper ease, most of them in two conferences.
And I don't know how I would ever do it again.
But man, if I could just take one of those
little cookie cutters and it's like it's pre cut to
give me all the conferences back, I would just like
to drop that thing down on the soft dough of

(46:15):
college football, because man, I'd love to be watching the
Pac ten championship game Saturday night, sometime way way way
after dark.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I would even take Pac twelve championship game or Southwest
Conference championship game.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
I think if we could all hop in that door
and go back in time, and you go pro wrestling,
pre Vince McMahon and everybody has their regions, and then
we figure out a way for them to go play
each other in the postseason, and that's how we determine
who's actually going to be there and they're going to
go play against one another. But we know what drives
to sport now, and that's money. And the biggest difference

(46:50):
is there are certain brands, certain leagues, certain teams that
can drive more eyeballs, get more eyeballs, therefore demand more money,
and they're only going to continue to pull away from that.
The demand of being included, not just in this tournament,
but in the NCAA tournament and other tournaments is only
going to continue to rise. So I actually think as
we sit here today, we're actually closer to that breakaway

(47:12):
than maybe we've ever been. I do feel like at
times we kind of started to inch towards it, and
then people threw it out and said, nah, no, we
could never do that.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
That's not going to work. To forget that.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
I think we're actually maybe full speed ahead at that
right now. And when I hear more whispers of other
teams that are being discussed to go different places, it
only makes me think that that big picture idea is
probably closer than we think now. What I don't know
is that is there somebody sitting up in their throne
somewhere laughing at all of us, waiting for that to

(47:41):
actually take place.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I don't think that that plan is out there.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I don't think there's a commissioner, an individual that has
planned all this out and said, Okay, we get to
X number of teams in these two leagues, that's when
we run.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
That's when we take our ball and we go home.
So who actually can make it happen?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Is there one, two, ten individuals that have to step
up and say okay, now's the time we leave everybody
else behind. I know it's only ten percent, eleven percent,
five percent, but five percent of a gigantic number is
still too much for us to share with you.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
So we're not sharing anymore. Goodbye.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
And then, as you and I've also discussed, who steps
up from the other leagues the rest of college football
and says here's our plan moving forward, That's what I
don't hear anybody talking about, because I think we would
all enjoy whatever you wanted to call it right now,
mid level college football, G five, whatever we've called it before,
for them to have a playoff you look at some

(48:37):
of those teams and how they're playing this year when
we enjoy that. Absolutely, would it be competitive, Yes, would
be compelling. Of course it would, and you strategically place
it around where the other games would be. I think
it could work. I think it would be self sustaining.
It would just have to be in a very different way.
So I'm kind of with you there, and it kind
of hurts my heart to talk about it because I
do long for the days of staring out there at

(48:59):
the Pac twelve about how weak they were and the
SEC would dominate them, or the Big ten was slow
and there's no way they could keep up with the SEC.
And then we see those teams play and somebody's proved
wrong one way or the other, like you can't run
the ball like we can up here, or what would
what would olemiss do if they had to play in
the cold and we have to go actually find that out.
Then they put up forty two points and it's like, Okay,

(49:20):
that narrative is dead. We can just move on talk
about football again.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
By the way, I don't know if anyone's realized how
completely ridiculously frigid it is in the South, Like it's
gonna snow again in Nashville tonight. So we're looking at
potential playoff games in Norman or Oxford or like maybe
Athens or somewhere like that. And it still keeps getting
presented to me as SEC teams earning the right to

(49:44):
play in warm weather climates. Buddy, in September, absolutely, it's
gonna be freezing. It won't be as cold as it
would be in Madison, Wisconsin. But if anyone thinks players
in Mississippi are going to be comfortable whenever that game
kicks off, whatever day it is, against whoever it is
Vaught Hemingway Stadium, I don't check your ten day, check
your extended forecast every now and then. All right, I

(50:06):
got another thing about the committee, But you can go
next hit me with whatever's on your mind. That's of relevance.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
I want to know from you where you view Indiana
right now, big picture, because I don't hear a lot
of people talking about them potentially I don't even need
you to say definitively potentially being the best team in
college football. But as you know on the radio show
I do with Macro in the morning, we have a

(50:33):
computer formula that we plug in every week, and everybody's
eyes got real big today when we started going down
these parameters of how you gain points in this system
of rush, offense, rush defense, event stuff, turnovers, which is
go look at the turnover numbers, folks, penalties, and then

(50:53):
third downs kind of even things out a little bit.
But even past defense belongs to Indiana, and I I
wonder why is it the lack of super high profile players?
Because you and I had a conversation a couple weeks
ago about what teams have things that no one can
do anything about, and it was like A and M
third down defense, Ohio State wide receivers, like everybody kind

(51:13):
of had that thing, Oklahoma's movement up front with their
front seven, Like you better have something to offset this
one part of what they do or you never even
got the engine started to try to pull the upset
against them. Where is Indiana in all of these conversations,
because you look at some of the numbers they aught
to win this game Saturday night against Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Not a lot of people believe that's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
And would you not rather take a team a minus
across the board than a plus plus in one spot?
But maybe C plus in one or B plus or
B minus in another, Like there's not a true weakness
with that football team, but Josh, nobody's talking about them
that way.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
And I just don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Are you gonna give the name of the model that
you use. It's Rubik's Cublic If you're interested, could you
say it again? It was really soft there.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Rubics Cubulick.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah. I think they're the.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Second and it is, like Josh said, it is advanced
that algorithm. Don't try to figure it out this. It
is more complicated than instagrams. You'll never get to the
bottom of it.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Does it do like quarterback matchups even though they're not
gonna be on the field at the same time? Does
it really get that granular like.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Peyton versus Tom Brady win? It's not the Auburn plainsman
that you used to have to that quarterback. Don't running
back check mark, wide receiver check mark. I used to
always get that paper on Wednesdays whenever it came out
and look at it and be like, our d lion's
not playing there.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Delon, wait a second, So I don't really understand.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Letter to the Editor again from number sixty one, yeah, whatever,
we just keep getting mail from this guy every week.
I think they're the second best team in the country.
I certainly think that, maybe even fairly. There's a burden
of proof because of that right there. If you're listening
on podcasts, all I'm doing is pointing to the logo.
You've never seen Indiana do it. You saw him do

(53:06):
it last year. But then everyone who thought it was
superficial and cosmetic had their thoughts validated because they got
run when they played Ohio State, and then they got
beat pretty soundly by Notre Dame. This year, I feel
is totally different. I felt that since the Oregon game easily,
but really even before that, and they've motored their way
through their schedule. You look at you know, we got

(53:26):
our own model here at pales in comparison to the
Rubik's cubelip. But we never would have had Indiana rated
top ten, Power rated top ten last year. They're solidly
number two now. And I just want everyone to remember this.
Odds makers really couldn't care less about anything other than
making sure they've got a sharp enough number on a

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game that they don't get buried in money. It is
a total myth that the points spread on a game
is merely meant to split the action fifty to fifty.
That is a total myth, because if it were, then
they'd be making you lay a whole lot more than
four and a half or five and a half. With
Ohio State against Indiana this weekend. But I digress. I
don't think people understand with this current version of Ohio

(54:08):
State how hard it is to be under a touchdown
underdog against them on a neutral field. You can play
them in your own building, and it's hard to be
under a touchdown underdog, and Indiana is. And I think
it goes deeper than what you just said, but a
lot of that stuff gets thrown in a blender and
it's not like there's this one area where their quantum
leaps and bounds better than they were last year. I

(54:30):
just think it's the grand sum of incremental improvement across
the board, and a really good coaching staff gets that
year one to year two. Ideally you get it every year,
but especially year one to year two. So I mean,
I'm not going to sit here and be shocked if
they win. We talk Tuesday night about how many challenges
Ohio State's defense poses for Indiana, and that's true, and

(54:50):
I think Mendoza probably needs a better game through the
air than he had against either Oregon or Iowa. But
having said that, we think we know Ohio State's defense
is elite. The paper tells us they're elite. They probably are,
But there are some components, there are some combinations rather
sort of being able to do multiple things well that

(55:11):
Indiana's offensive possesses that Ohio State hasn't had to deal
with this year. So you know what, if we're watching
and it's thirty to twenty four midway through the fourth quarter,
they've already scored more than you thought that score on
Ohio State, but they're the one with thirty on the board,
it would surprise me. I don't know that would outright
shock me, just because it would have been Ohio State

(55:32):
not dealing with a first incredibly.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Well, it's gonna be fun to watch, And at first
I thought you were pointing at the old Dominion game
that was the reason that we should all be impressed
with Indiana, But nonetheless it was the logo I guess.
So either way, I don't know who's gonna win that game.
I'm excited to watch it because I think it could
go either way. I'm with you on Ohio State's defense.

(55:55):
When I watch them, I feel like they're elite. But
one of the tests that we point to to say,
that's why I know very elak because of what they
did against them.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
There's just not a lot of those on the schedule.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
I want to just present one more thing to you,
and then we got to run. I listen to everyone
gripe and moan about the committee with good reason, because
every time the committee chair has opened his mouth this year,
it is given a lot of ammunition to the haters.
The haters are a plenty, and the ammunition has been
a plenty.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Now.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I made the point the other night. I don't even
think I said it on the show. I think I
said it on Twitter, which was a waste of a
good point. I said, you know what's really funny is
it strikes me that we've got all these coaching searches
going on, and athletic directors are involved in those, and
every detail of these coaching searches eventually leaks and you
just learn all of the ugly truth behind the curtain

(56:46):
of a coaching search, or most of it. Those same
athletic directors allegedly are locked in a room where they
debate each other. You heard Hunter tuesday night, he said,
boy Reese, that Notre Dame Alabama debate, that was something
of the fiercest, most contentious debating that we've had over
several years that I've been on this committee. None of
the details ever leak. Have you ever noticed that all

(57:09):
the details of the coaching searches leak, But allegedly we've
got these like at each other's throat level contentious debates
going to the eleventh hour about one team versus another team,
and no one ever even hears what the specific merits
of the respective sides of the debate were. My grand
theory is that's cause it's not happening. My grand theory

(57:30):
is they get a computer, they get a computer rating
spat out at them, which finishes about ninety eight percent
of their job, and then they just kind of like
the checkerboard at Cracker Brill, it's kind of moving around
a little bit. And because they really didn't do the work,
they're ill equipped to explain their thinking because they didn't
do the thinking, so the numbers are going to be

(57:51):
what the numbers are. The reason I know that is
because we got several folks we follow on Twitter right
now that to about a ninety eighth percentile accurately predict
what the rankings are going to be using simple computer formulas. Truthfully,
it's mostly just the old BCS formula. And so that,
my friend, I hate to disappoint you, is what is

(58:11):
really going on. That is the playoff Santa Claus and
someone had to someone had to pull the curtain back.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
I thought Santa Claus delivered gifts, not ruined things for people.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Depends on how you feel. You want to be Santa
yet you're the grinch. But that's okay.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Let me just counter it with this. In coaching searches,
certain information is beneficial for one side or the other
correct when it leaks. As you stated, so we either
want you to take your hound dog that direction to
try to figure out where were going for a coach,
or that direction because we're actually going to go the
other way, or the other side gives you something to

(58:49):
make you think that this is a done deal, it's finished.
Don't come talk to our guy because he's already locked
down yet we're off talking to somebody else, or we
didn't know as on but we want that side to
think it is. Whatever it is, What would it benefit
the committee for any of this information to get out
of what people are actually saying or what people are
actually doing.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
I mean, I don't I.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Don't know what if it would or not.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
First but we don't think they would want anybody to
know what that information was because, like you said, then
they would have to answer to it.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
So that would be my understanding of why it wouldn't
get out there.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, well, first off, what do you know about coaching
searches anyway? Secondly, I would say I've It's not like
I ever talked about it on air. I've straight up
talked to athletic directors after the searches conclude and gotten
all the details I could ever want. It's not like
they're not forthcoming with the details that I fully grant
your point. During a coaching search, there's a ton of
motivation for someone to tell you a certain thing, to

(59:46):
get you to look a certain way, or get you
to say something that shapes things a certain way. But
after it's done, it's done. They got no problem if
they trust you coming forth with the information. And yet
the same one sit on that committee and it's like
pulling teeth trying to find out how you guys really
met Baylor in TCU that one year a decade ago.
What were the specific points? Who was specifically arguing either way?

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Uh uh oh okay, now I'll back up your point,
and this is I think there's reality to this as well.
They refuse to use common sense. And I've said for
a long time that if whoever stands in front of
a television camera does an interview to discuss what happened
in this room, would just utilize common sense, a lot

(01:00:29):
of the anger, the rage, the questioning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Would all go away.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Let's take probably our number one debate throughout this entire
season as it pertains to the college football playoff rankings,
and that would be obviously Notre Dame in Miami, right yep.
So what's not common sense? What do you and I
never utilize when we debate or talk about or want
to know more about anything in life? Data points Like

(01:00:56):
if I want to ask you about where you grew up,
or I want to ask about how you plan your wedding,
I don't say, well, give me the data points on
how you picked your reception venue. And you would say, well,
if you carry the two and you put a decimal point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Those aren't real things.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
So if a committee member would sit in front of
a camera and say, yeah, guys, Notre Dame lost that game.
The reality is when we watch them operate right now,
we feel like they're a better football team. Do you
have another question? And that would be the end of that.
Now people are still going to debate it, talk about it,
wonder about it. But when you come up with these

(01:01:34):
hypothetical analytical decimal point math problems to try to explain
your points of how you debated things, first of us,
none of us understand that none of us know what
those things are. Data points are not real life conversations.
Real life conversations are that team operates great in the
red zone. They manage situational football the way that you

(01:01:54):
should be, They control the line of scrimmage, and they
don't turn.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
The ball over like they operate as a better team
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
They have more efficient quarterback play, their defense doesn't allow
teams to get first downs, specifically on third down, on
a very regular basis. We love that about them. Whilst
of that game early in the season, yes, but look
what they've done here and here. That to us points
out that they're a better football team. We don't get
answers like that, and to me, that's all it would

(01:02:21):
take for a lot of the nonsense to go away.
But as you said, there are deflections to the hows
and whys of things being discussed, and maybe that ultimate
deflection is what you pointed to, and that is we
use math. We just don't want to tell you we
use math.

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Happy to have him. En route to the live show
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Someone's gonna come to see you be on your a game.

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And her name is Savannah and my wife won't even
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There he goes, peace out. All right, Remember anyone in
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got a couple dozen tickets left to the live show

(01:03:45):
tomorrow night. It's not going to be a version of
this show. I'll be there. Cube will be there, Will
and Taylor will be there. We have several special guests,
but it's it's very much an off the record, not
broadcast anywhere live event. Will very interactive. We'll pass the
mic around, you guys can shoot questions. We'll have a
ton of giveaways. Gonna be a great time. And then

(01:04:07):
Saturday will be a first because we will be man
We're doing an altcast of the SEC Championship game. Harry Douglas,
Will Compton, Taylor Luawan myself right there on the field
at Mercedes ben Stadium, Georgia, Alabama. That'll be on ESPN,
falerin Herbie with the call over on ABC, the traditional call.
We are anything but traditional. Appreciate you guys so much.

(01:04:29):
Happy that you've been here all week. We've had really
really good traffic. We'll be here Sunday night to actually, no, jess,
we'll be here Sunday afternoon. This is the only Sunday
show of the year that because the playoff rankings happen.
When they do, we just go right afterwards. So I
think we're planning on one eastern twelfth Central as our
kickoff time Sunday. That's a quick turnaround. We got to

(01:04:49):
get home, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
We'll see a lot of you in Atlanta tomorrow night.
We'll see many more of you in Atlanta on ESPN
the next day, and then we'll see the rest of
you right back here in Nashville Monday. For director Bradley,
producer Jesse. I'm Josh Pate, Take care, Enjoy Conference Championship Saturday,
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