Full CFP Reaction + Conference Title Takeaways & Penn State Hires Campbell

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
They told us you'd never forget this day, and I'm
never gonna forget, not a chance. People are mad. Now
I've been led to believe that people being mad means
something's wrong and something needs to be fixed. And we
will discuss that. The playoff rankings have dropped. Listen right
boom in our lap. We are jam packed. It a Sunday,
December seventh, the year of our Lord, twenty twenty five.

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Were coming to you live way earlier than we normally would,
because we need to come to you live earlier than
we normally would. It's a very weird day some ways.
It's an unprecedented day in college football, and those seem
to stack up on each other. The rankings just got
released moments ago. I got full reaction to it. I
was stunned. I'll tell you why I was stunned. I

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got conference championship game reactions because yes, football games do
still matter around here, and we do still talk about
them after they occur. I am going to give you
some thoughts on these first round games in the playoff
that we have. I know a lot of you have thoughts.
I've never seen a more broad consensus come together about
the structure of the playoff and how the playoff views

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G five teams. Then I'm seeing right now almost to
the point where I may need to step in and
defend the as G five Josh. Sometimes I have to
do that. Also, I don't know if anyone caught this, Jesse,
did you catch this? Penn State hired Mat Campbell. Interesting. Yeah,
we'll talk about it. Denton, Texas is tuned in Montgomery, Alabama. Reno, Nevada.

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That's just me considering making a comment, Bradley, Reno, Nevada, Geneva, Georgia.
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we got so much to get to. The college football
playoff rankings are out, they are final. We've got matchup set,
the bracket is solidified. I was stunned. Stunned. First off,
the acced doomsday scenario played out. We telegraphed this for
a couple of weeks. All right, about three or four
weeks ago, we thought, man, if Duke gets in there,

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it looks like the committee may be faced with the
prospect of Duke winning the ACC Championship not being ranked
high enough. And then they got to make a decision,
are we really going to have a playoff bracket with
no ACC representation? Then remember Duke lost to Virginia in
the regular season, and we thought, all right, well that
takes care of that. The ACC champ will be ranked

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high enough. Then the ACC AC seed so incredibly hard
that we got back around to merrygo round to the
point where we said, wait a second, Duke's in the game,
aren't they Yes, because the tie breaker is just nonsensical.
Let's just shake your bowl like it's alphabet soup and
whatever the letters assemble, and that's the tiebreaker, I think
the alphabet soup tiebreaker in the ACC. And then we

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looked at it again and we said, about a cup
two three weeks ago, Duke's gonna get in that thing
if they win, it all out chaos because the question
is going to be not whether Duke's gonna get in.
They were never gonna be ranked high enough it was
gonna be whether Miami could get themselves high enough to
where the committee looked at it. And I don't care
what Hunter Yurchik just said on the Playoff Show, they

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absolutely had to look at the prospect of not having
a POWERFO team represented in the playoff or a power
for conference represented in the playoff and do something about it.
And I think that's one of the things that happened here.
When you look at Miami getting in at the eleventh
hour over Notre Dame, I believe the right thing was done,
but the process behind it is so jacked up. The

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reasoning given was so jacked up. So that's the first
thing I wanted to talk about. I'm gonna get back
to Miami Notre Dame in a second, but just I
wrote acc Doomsday verified. Okay, that's the first thing. The
second thing is, we just were in Atlanta last night
and we saw Alabama get dump trucked by Georgia and
that led to a lot of folks leaving Atlanta last

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night flipping over to the Big Ten Championship game. You know,
Twitter fingers work in Alabama's got to drop right, Well, no,
they don't have to drop. They weren't gonna drop I
was very confident in that. Like I said that going
into the game, they gave me the theoretical of, well,
what if they lose by fifty, Well, then they lose
by fifty and they're not a conference champ. They're not
drop it out. It was so basic. You got to

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understand something, whether you like what I'm gonna say or not,
I'm not telling you how it should be. I'm telling
you how it is. The SEC Championship is worth a
whole lot of money. The SEC as a league runs
and dictates a lot of this sport. There's not even
anything wrong with that, because that's how powerful they are.
They have accumulated that power, not through false means, Like

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they're where most of the big brands are, and the
Big Tens where most of the big brands are. So
if the Big Tens Championship game was in the same
situation as the secs yesterday, I'd say the same thing
about the Big Tens Championship game. A lot of people
looked at Alabama lose last night and they said, and
I don't agree with this line of thinking, but they said, well,

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if conference championship games are going to mean something, then
there's got to be risk. No, there doesn't. It's a
fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of a conference championship game
within the overarching structure of the playoff. The meaning of
a conference championship game. If you're already ranked inside the
top ten, let's say, like Alabama was, is you only
stand to benefit from it. Alabama could have won that

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game last night and then gone on to take a
first round by and so they would have benefited. Georgia
did win the game, so they solidify a first round by. Oh,
by the way, they win the conference championship. In the
words of Kirby Smart if that still means anything to you,
but there was something to gain. What you're not gonna
have is you're not going to have several members of
your conference a la an m a la Ole miss Alah,

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Oklahoma at home and watch the number one overall seed
from that league risk lack of playoff inclusion for playing
in a reward game that was just never gonna happen.
And here here's the other thing. If you think there's
no punishment for losing that conference championship game, understand from
the time the regular season ended for Alabama, for example,

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they needed to either win last night or understand they're
one of the teams that's gonna have to play five
games to win a national title. Last night was the
first one and they lost. So now they got to
play an opening round game, and then if they win
that one, they got to play another game, and then
another game and then another game. And I know you're
listening to saying Alabama's not gonna win the national title. No,
probably not. But the point is, if they were to

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do that, the punishment for losing the game last night
is they will have had to play five postseason games.
So there is risk, but the risk was never You're
gonna drop out for playing in a game that other
people didn't earn the right to play inna happen. By
the way, I got a lot to say here. We
do have the opening round lines from FanDuel, and some

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of these are probably gonna interest you guys. In fact, Jesse,
I didn't even write half of these down. I think
I have a memorized though. So James Madison is going
to Oregon, I'm gonna have again. I know you're about
to yell at the screen. I'm gonna have plenty to
say about this. Excuse me. Tulane is at ol Miss.
I'll just say I'm in order. Tulane is a seventeen
and a half point dog at ole Miss. That game

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already happened this year, by the way, James Madison does
go to Oregon. Oregon is a twenty one and a
half point favorite. Yes, these are playoff games. I didn't
make the format, guys. I'm sorry. Alabama, believe it or not,
opens as a one and a half point favorite at Oklahoma,

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and then we've got Miami at A and M. For
my money, the most attractive game of round one. A
and M is a five and a half point favorite.
You need to assume there's three to three and a
half points of home field baked in there. So they're
telling you A and M a little under a field
goal favorite on a neutral field. Okay, you did text

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me times? Oh, Jesse, breaking news here. Okay, this is
not inconsequential, all right? So these games, you know they
take place on a Friday Saturday. This is Friday Saturday, right, Jesse?
Oh man, they did us a favor. Wow, this didn't
pan out how I thought it would. Okay, Friday, December nineteenth,
eight pm Eastern Alabama at Oklahoma, which gives us the

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ability on Saturday, December twentieth, at twelve pm Eastern time,
to be at Miami AMM. Now my only beef with this,
and I'm not going to even pretend to understand how
the broadcast structure was negotiated. Miami at A and m
at Kyle Field at night would have been, in the
words of many people, cinema. Instead, we're going to watch

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it as an eleven am kickoff. So even with the
home campus games, we can't get the kickoff times right,
all right, I move on December twentieth, so that Saturday
has three games. The mid afternoon game two Lane at
Old Miss is a three thirty Eastern kickoff, and then
the primetime game is James Madison at Oregon. That's a
seven thirty eastern kickoff. Two G five games. Those games

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are on T and T and that's a whole separate
mess that I mean, T and T paid to sub
license these games, and that's what they're getting dropped in
their lap. So if you're sitting at home and you're
thinking I'm upset two G five teams are in the playoff,
Imagine being an executive at T and T, and you
have no control over this, or maybe you do so. Anyway,
Notre Dame's out of the playoff. Notre Dame is not

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a playoff team. Notre Dame gets left out of the
playoff at the eleventh hour, and I have a post
it stuck to my index finger and it says, this
is the first time I think Notre Dame's really been
punished for not being in a conference. When the playoff
got set up the way it was, people kept yelling
what they've been yelling at Notre for a long time,
and that is you need to join a conference. I've
never yelled that at Notre Dame. I never will yell

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that at Notre Dame. I fully respect their independence. I've
always said if I were a major university, I'd want
to do what Notre Dame does. That would be an
ideal situation. You call all your own shots. Your seat
at the table carries as much weight as other conferences
collectively carry at the table. Who wouldn't want to be
in Notre Dame's position. But I did say, if you

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guys want to hold out this small sliver of hope
that they'll ever become more motivated to join a conference.
Not that I think they will, but if you ever
want to hold out hope that they'll become more motivated,
you need to hope that they have to pay a
price in the form of losing a playoff spot for
not being in a conference. Now, for the first round

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of the playoffs last year, the first time we ever
had one, there was this rule where if you didn't
win a conference championship, you couldn't have a first round
by But that only lasted one year, so that parameter
got removed, and it looked for all the world like
the stars were aligning for Notre Dame to just exist
in this new world. Pay no price. I think they
paid a price for not being in a conference here,

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so Notre Dame gets left out. Miami vaults Notre Dame
at the eleventh hour. I actually agree with the rankings
the committee put out. I actually agreed that that should
have been the way it panned out. Said that last week,
and I've said that for a couple of weeks now. However,
if I'm a Notre Dame fan, I probably disagree with
what I just said on the surface. But even if

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we get past our initial disagreement, like of course, you
guys think Notre Dame should have been in. But even
if you get past that, where we'll be aligned is
the messaging here was so pathetic, the protocol and the
lack of follow through on the way the protocol is
supposed to be applied with soapathetic, to the point where
we're sitting here on selection Sunday and we're really listening
to a guy tell us we were incapable of fully

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appreciating head to head results until Brigham Young lost the
Big twelve championship game so bad that we had to
drop them and put Notre Dame and Miami next to
each other, and all of a sudden, then it just
dawns on us, Holy crap, they played each other. Gustav, Gustav,
go get the footage of that game. Let's take a
look at it. And then they claim they watched the game. Guys,

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they they grinded tape last night, did the committee into
the wee hours of eight pm, And then it dawned
on them that guys, head to head, I mean, these
these resumes are comparable head to head's got to rule
the day, which is sound logic. Dot dot that could
have been applied two weeks ago. It could have been
applied last week. But the problem is, if there's one

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thing of the many that that committee is guilty of,
it is of knee jerk reaction. They knee jerked early
on when they dropped Alabama as far as they did
after the Oklahoma loss. They dropped Miami way too far
in their initial rankings because it came on the heels
of the loss to SMU Notre Dame was probably already
too high, and then they were forced to course correct,

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which brings me to a point that I'll make later
about how meaningless now and how dumb it is to
have those weekly rankings reveal shows I don't I think
they serve a negative purpose, like I think they serve
an ulterior purpose. Now, they don't serve their initial purpose.
So this should have been this way going into the weekend,
but it wasn't. So then you create this mess. You're

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like Kevin with the pot of chili, and then you
trip and you fall, and you're wallowing all in it,
and every one of us are looking saying, you know,
it didn't have to be this way. It went how
I thought it should have from a pure ranking standpoint.
It went horrifically wrong from a messaging and presentation standpoint.
So look, I understand how this works. I understand I

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got a lot of people who I really like, who's
opinions I respect that are going to be diametrically opposed,
which is like the beauty of sport. This is always
going to be a subjective sport, by the way, well
at least it is right now. Who knows what the
future format holds, but this is subjective, which means they're
going to be varying degrees of opinion. My whole takeaway
on this has been ninety five percent of the opinions

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that I've heard thrown at me, whether it be about
Notre Dame or Miami or Alabama or Brigham Young, they
haven't been based on principal stance. They've just been based
on rooting interest, which I'm okay with. I just wish
people would say something like this, I'm a Miami fan,
so I think since we beat them on a field

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to start the season, we should be in over them.
Or if you're a Notre Dame fan, I just wish
people would say, I think we're better than them. Now,
that's why I think we belong in or if you're
a Bama fan, just say, look, I think we played
a tougher schedule and so I don't think we should
get punished for playing in a conference title game, or
I hope we don't. We belong in. But there's no
principle behind it, because if any of you, and I'm

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talking to the ninety five percent, if any of you
really just switched resumes, you'd end up making each other's points.
So it's just rooting interests. So anytime someone tried to question,
you know, the ethical guidelines or the more stance, or
anything right and wrong, it was all shades of gray
to begin with. Do you honestly think if the resumes

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were reversed and Notre Dame beat Miami in Week one
and the rest of it played out the way it did,
you don't think that every Notre Dame fan walking this
planet would have been banging the head to head gong.
Of course they would have, as they should. I would
expect nothing less. That's my point. That's been my point
for a couple of weeks. I don't have a problem

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with folks coming at me. It's just come at me
and just say I disagree for the sake of disagreement.
I'm just flat out rooting for Alabama to get in,
and I hope they get in, and I'm gonna say
whatever I think needs to be said for them to
get in. I'd respect that, but we were looking earlier today.
I'm not gonna do it because we were going back
in some notable college football figures respective Twitter histories and

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finding them one year ago making points totally counterintuitive to
the points they were making today about what should and
shouldn't matter in the playoff because of rooting interest. Now,
I changed my mind with Florida State a couple of
years ago, and Florida State folks still think I flip
flopped on that. I did not. I still think it
was BS as I said in the weeks leading up

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to the playoff, reveal that Jordan Travis's injury was going
to be factored by the committee, the value of his
loss was going to be factored by the committee, and
I said that shouldn't matter because of the results on
the field. I don't need a committee to tell me
how many points they think a player is worth when
the results on the field should carry the day. The
reason I changed was because Bill Hancott, the week of

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the selection, did an interview he was the playoff committee
chair or I think he was a very important figure
in the playoff scene, and he said, most Deserving has
never been in our lexicon. We're putting in the best teams.
I thought that was garbage. I still think that it
was garbage that he did that, just like I would
have thought today if they said we put a Notre

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Dame in because we think they're the better team, I
thought that would have been garbage, because I don't care
who you think is the better team. I don't care
who I think is the better team. And so if
I don't care about my opinion, you know full well
I don't care about your opinion. But back to the
Florida State example, when he said that, I came on
the show you remember this, Jesse, because we had a
big production meeting, and I said, I've got to put
what I think to the side because I'm not on

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the committee. That guy just told us where the committee's
head's at. And so whether I like it or not,
based on the new stated protocol, Alabama belongs in over
Florida State because Alabama would be favored. Alabama's the quote
unquote better team. That was it. That was all. But
I've stayed pretty consistent on it. Florida State fans would
disagree with that today. I at least respect even if

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it was completely backwards. It was more backwards than the
Penn State coaching search, but at least they got to
the right outcome. I do respect that the committee I
thought got to the right outcome. When I say right,
I just mean the one I agree with. There really
is no right or wrong here. Teams being mad, though,
is not automatically evidence that something's broken. I keep going
back to this. There's always gonna be a lot of

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argument on selection Sunday, and contrary to popular belief, there
will be No matter how far you expand this playoff,
there will always be disagreement. My point when it was
four teams is the same point I'll make when it's
twelve teams. Just because a fan base, or a coach
or a program is mad doesn't mean something's broken. It
just means you've got a finite amount of a very

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valuable commodity, in this case, playoff spots, and not everyone
can get one. Had Bama gotten left out today, I
disagree with it, but I wouldn't claim that it was
the end of the world. You know why, because they
had a shot to take it out of the committee's
hands and they didn't get the job done. And by
the way, they would be a very flawed team that

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never would have whipped a four team playoff just a
few years ago. Notre Dame missed out. You could have
won games and changed your eight, but you didn't. Miami
could have missed out, and I could very easily look
back to the Louisville andn SMU Game's point being, there's
just a bunch of flawed resumes here that we're looking at.
And I always promised myself I would take this approach,
and I would say I didn't even want to expand

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the playoff to begin with. So surely I'm not gonna
allow myself to slip down this mental drain of arguing
that the twelfth or thirteenth team got screwed. No, I'm
not gonna get that worked up about it, because you
never would have even been in the picture a few
years ago. But even if it's twelve teams, that doesn't

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mean the answer is to expand to sixteen. The answer
is look the teams in the eyes who were upset
and just say, do better next time. What are they
gonna do? Stop playing? They're not gonna stop playing. They're
gonna get motivated to take it out of the committee's hands.
All right. If you're in the batter's box and there's
a pitch right there, lower outside corner, but it's an

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oh to O count, you can take it no full Well.
The worst that's gonna happen is it's one or. To
put it to football terms, Ohio State loss last night.
They're in the playoff comfortably. You know why, because they
bought themselves a ton of equity. Ohio State is a
team that would have been viable in the four team format.
Alabama can't say that, Miami can't say that. Notre Dame

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can't say that, Vandy can't say that, Texas can't say that.
Brigham Young can't say that. And so I'm not just
because you're mad doesn't mean something's broken. Do better next time,
that's the answer. It'd be the answer no matter who
was the first left out today. But I do think
that there are changes coming. I do think that that committee,

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just like they did this past year, they had one
round and then they adjusted their terms, and I now
they've had another round, and I think they're gonna adjust
their terms again. I do think a lot of people
have started to throw around one of the proposals that
we've made on the show, and that is, if you're
gonna make the playoff, shouldn't you at least have a
minimum baseline ranking. Now I don't know what that ranking

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would be. Shouldn't you have to be top fifteen, shouldn't
you have to be top twenty? But a lot of
people are looking at the fact that we've got two
G five teams in here, and of course that's a joke.
It's a complete joke. It's an utter disgrace to the
overall spirit of what this thing's supposed to be about.
That I got a team like Notre Dame sitting at home.
Notre Dame could legitimately make a run to win a
national title, they have that maximum capability, they're going to

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sit at home. So that we made room for a
team to be a three plus touchdown underdog in Eugene, Oregon.
So yes, even the most diehard of G five Cinderella
supporters out there understand, from a pure principal standpoint, this
makes no sense. And so I do think something will
be done to address that. I also am strongly urging

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our friends at ESPN to rethink the concept of a
weekly rankings reveal show for a couple of reasons. Number One,
you back yourselves into a corner when you release college
football playoff rankings every week. Like the crowd that says
we shouldn't have AP votes and AP polls and rankings
until week five, What you really ought to be yelling

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at the poll that matters is maybe you guys ought
not release that thing until selection Sunday, Because had the
committee not let you know what they thought about Notre
Dame and Miami relative to each other, had you never
known that Miami dropped to eighteen and then worked their
way all the way back up, Had you never known
that Alabama jumped Notre Dame yesterday or last week leading

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into yesterday, Like, had you not known all that, you
wouldn't have nearly as much to complain about and think
about the entire side market of conspiracy and therefore content
conspiracy equals content in our world. Then it creates when
you're thinking you know what the playoff rankings are, you're
guessing you've looked at the AP you've looked at like

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McClintock and those guys, Dave bar two and those guys
do a great job at letting you know, hey, here,
based on our modeling, here's what the committee rankings would
be right now, But you wouldn't unequivocally know until selection Sunday.
Imagine being in the dark totally until selection Sunday. Now,
the counter argument to that is, well, if we think
this process is corrupt, now, imagine how much more corrupt

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it would be if we didn't have to have minimum
baseline accountability with them making their results public week to week,
which is a valid counterpoint. I think the third point
that I would make if you're going to have the
week to week is you've got to publicize the deliberation.
You've got to publicize it. Now. We know that will
never happen because the committee does not operate the way

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they tell you they operate. That committee is not full
of twelve or thirteen ads or whatever sitting there with
their readers all the way down on the tips of
their noses, just meticulously grinding over data and tape as
their fourth cup of coffee is delivered at two thirty
eight am. That's not the way it works. I've long
maintained they get a simple spreadsheet, the computer spits it

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out to him and does ninety five percent of the
work for him, and then they just kind of moved
the chess pieces around a little bit at the very
end if they need to. But I do think changes
will come on that front. The five seed is just
golden yet again in this format, the five and six
seeds unless this thing changes, but especially the five seed

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is such an opportunistic place to be that I ask,
what would you rather do? The organ ducts are the
five seed? What would you rather do? Now? Dan Landing's
a good friend of the program, and I would never
be able to convince him to come on air and
say we were totally cool not playing in the Big
Ten Championship game yesterday. But they were totally cool not
playing in the Big Ten Championship game yesterday. And those
are not his words. I'm speaking for him, which I

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am at liberty to do, And I'm asking you, do
you want to win the Big ten title? Of course
you do, but your ultimate goal here is to win
a national championship. Where would you rather be? Would you
rather have to play in a game yesterday? And risk
losing like Bama did and then playing a first round
game anyway, or would you rather be parked right there
where Oregon is. Be a twenty one and a half

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point favorite in Round one, win the game at home,
and then advance to round two. You're gonna play Texas Tech.
But if you beat Texas Tech, I mean, if you
play Texas Tech, like you're looking at a roster advantage,
you're probably looking at a roster advantage against the first
and second teams you play. You may have one against

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the third team you play, But just forget about the
matchups for a second. If you're the five seed, you're
playing the twelve seed, which until further notice, is going
to be a G five team. You didn't have to
play a game yesterday, so you'll be three weeks rested
by the time that game happens, and then you get
to play what equates to a warm up game before
you play another team that's been rested. And you found

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out last year having a first round by is not
the best thing in the world, so you kind of
you get to play a playoff game almost as a
tune up opportunity. That five seed great spot to be
six seed as it turns out this year is Ole
Miss and they're facing a team that they beat what
like forty five to seven or something like that the
first time around. So yes, we have our playoff bracket set.

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It's unfortunate that we have two games that are seventeen
plus point spreads in round one, but we do have
two of them that are must see. Look at the
potential second round matchups. We could get Miami against Ohio
State or A and M against Ohio State. Either way,
from a pure talent profile, I mean, outside of Texas,

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those will be the best groups that Ohio State's face
this year. Check me on that, Jesse. Who else will
Ohio State have face. Michigan's not to that level. They
didn't face Oregon this year. Indiana's not to that level.
Indiana may be a better football team, but in term,
I'm just talking about pure talent roster, which is not
the end all be all. I understand that, But from
a pure athleticism and talent roster makeup, A and M

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and or Miami may present the best challenge that Ohio
State has seen this side of Texas. Now, they beat Texas,
but that doesn't mean they weren't athletically matched across the
board from Texas, we could get Ole Miss Georgia rematch.
We're gonna get an Oregon Texas Tech. We could get
either Oklahoma Indiana or if it's Alabama Indiana, that's Debor

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against his old team. And either way it's Kurt Signetti
sitting there playing a playoff game. Just incredible. So yeah,
there you go. It's incredibly dry in the studio right now. Unfortunately,
the only lip bomb we had left was this red kind,
so I'm not wearing lipstick. I promise boy. Quick Trip
had a busy weekend with us. This weekend. Quick Trip

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was present and accounted for at our live show Friday
night in Atlanta, which I'll talk about later. It went
better than best case scenario, unbelievable. More to come. They
fueled us there, and they fueled you because Jesse, I
don't know how many cards we handed out, maybe a thousand,
but we handed out a whole lot of Quick Trip
gas cards. So a lot of people showed up and

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left with a free tank of gas. I'm told that
Quick Trip and got heavily involved at the concession stand,
so that's great. And then on the way home, Tank's
running low. Just hit Quick Trip up if your energy's
running low, cole Brew on tap if your Tommy's grumbling
a little bit. I don't have time to list all
the assortment and variety of snacks and just straight up

(28:18):
outright food that would pass for a real meal that
they have inside. But we appreciate Quick Trip man, appreciate
them big time. You know, I got plenty more to
say about the playoff. Trust me, I'm gonna spread it
throughout the show. The SEC Championship game happened yesterday. We
were there, fueled by Quick Trip no less. We went

(28:41):
down to Atlanta. A bunch of our friends of the
program were there. We did the ESPN altcast. I'll tell
you guys about that in a little while. That was amazing.
A lot of you tuned in for that. I'm told
the game gets one and a half chili and that's
music to the ears of Georgia fans because finally you
exercise a lot of the demons that you've had to
get to Alabama and you're able to celebrate in the

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fourth quarter. I was on the Georgia sideline last night.
I will tell you it wasn't quite the TCU game
from a few years ago, like they weren't going to
the concessions and getting chicken wings and eating them on
the sideline. It wasn't that bad, but there were a
lot of you know, top button undone arms spread over
the bleachers, sort of just leaned back taking it all

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in in the fourth quarter of that game. So what
have we said on this show about Georgia all year?
You got to cut the head off the snake, and
several teams had the chance to cut the head off
the snake that is Georgia, and you didn't cut the
head off the snake. You remember the Tennessee game earlier
this year, went the overtime Tennessee misses a field goal

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that would have won the game, could have been another loss,
but it wasn't. Bama beat him in the regular season.
That was their only blemish. You remember the Auburn game.
Georgia just totally dead in the water. Could have been
down seventeen to nothing at half. Instead it's ten to
three at the half. Auburn couldn't cut the head off
snake Florida. They're down late in the fourth quarter and

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they have to drive to win that game. Florida had
a chance to really kind of define and stamp their season.
But they couldn't cut the head off the snake. Ole
Miss and Lane Kiffin are up two possessions on Georgia
in Athens second half, fourth quarter, even Georgia comes back
to win. Couldn't cut the head off the snake. So
many people grip that shovel, so many people tried, and

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Georgia just last minute darts to the left, darts to
the right, and what ends up happening. They faced Texas
three weeks ago and they stuff them in a locker
and everyone leaves going, uh oh, we didn't cut the
head off the snake. And then they do what they
did in as Georgia Tech last week. I know that
looks like a close game. That game never felt like
it was in doubt, and they go right back to

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that same building eight days later, and it just it's
another of many, many examples of how unmatched I think
Georgia's competitive character is. In the SEC. You could argue
Ohio State nationally, and that's about the only one that
I would listen to from a pure competitive culture standpoint.
I mean, you're gonna win every game, but it does

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mean if you beat Georgia you brought your a game
to do it. Very, very rarely do they do it
for you. And also, I think it's such a testament
and I've said this before and I'll say it again
to how hard they keep coaching all year. It's not
a situation where you coach hard in the spring and
then summer and then fall camp and then once you
get to week one, you just are who you are. No,

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it's like a starting point for them. But the culture
has been questioned at times around Georgia. I've always pushed
back on it and I've taken a lot of heat
for it because when they had the off the field
incidents that happened in Droves a couple of years ago,
everyone said, oh, Georgia's culture sucks. Georgia's culture competitively doesn't suck.
And believe me, I know what the pushback there is.

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The pushback was then and still is probably, Oh, just
cause you stack a bunch of great football players on
top of each other, that's not indication of culture. Anyone
can win when you have great players. No, they can't
know they can't. Also, there's a lot of skill in
stacking the great players because they don't really cut corners
there to do it. If you're familiar with the Georgia
recruiting approach, you know they're not always going to outspend you,

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and they're not really going to apologize or sugarcoat what
it's like there, because they count on that being a
filtration part of the recruiting process, and they don't want
every four and five star to come through that filter.
They want the filter to catch a lot of the
guys that would melt inside Georgia. I was standing there
talking to someone last night and they said, man, I

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can't believe Alabama didn't get up for this game. And I,
you know, I kind of laughed. I said, well, you
mean get up? He said, Man, they just they just
get They didn't get up like Georgia got up this week.
It's so obvious they didn't get up this week any
more than they normally would. They played a pretty good
game last night. They played a three phase game. They
were very effective. They dominated the game. But please understand

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that's not Georgia getting up. It's not about the music
you listen to the day of the game, or the
inspirational video you watched the night before the game, or
the text that your uncle sends you in all caps
or the bus ride over there. That's not how you
win games. They got up for this game in February,
they got up for the game the third week of April.

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They get up for the game with the decisions they
make on a random Tuesday morning in July when they
could be home if they want to, or how they
handle a practice in the middle of the season when
they may have like Austin p on deck. It's a standard.
That's what competitive culture is. And anybody who dips below
that standard, they don't last at places like that very long.

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And I say places like that, there really aren't many,
but it's on displaying games like last night. So this
wasn't some vintage, high flying blowout effort. What it was
was a very very complimentary approach where they just suffocated Alabama.
Negative three rushing yards is impressive, and I don't really
care who you're facing, but dominance looks like that. So

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dominance is Georgia scoring four touchdowns with three drives starting
in Alabama territory. That's a blocked punt, that's an interception,
and their fourth scoring drive I think started on the
Bama forty three special teams tilted the field so hard.
This is like what Oklahoma did to Alabama. By the way,
you want a paper popper. Georgia's starting field position average

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was their forty yard line. Alabama's average starting field position
was their eighteen yard line. This is another one, a
lot of paper poppers. Kirby gave us a record number
of paper poppers. Twelve Bama drives last night. None of
them started at better than the Alabama twenty five yard line.
So the best start that Bama had last night, they

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had seventy five yards to go to score a touchdown.
Georgia four or four in the red zone. Alabama held
to negative rushing yardage. And honestly, I was standing on
the field, so you don't exactly know where those numbers
are stacking up. But the one thing that was very
apparent as a guy who also stood on the field
to watch Georgia Texas is it felt like the Georgia

(35:15):
Texas game. They have three sacks, that's great. They had
eighteen pressures on ty Simpson and that's kind of what
they did to Arch and that's kind of what that
front has done to Texas a few times that they've
played them. They hadn't handled Alabama like that until last night.
I know Obama's banged up. Everyone's banged up. No one
needs to make the excuse for me. But that performance

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from a Georgia pass rush and a Georgia front that's
gotten healthier and it's continued to elevate. That second part's
the most important part. Their football players are playing their
best right now. That stood out like yet. There may
have been some miracle where Alabama just threads the needle,
but they were going to have to do that. And
by the way, the Bama defense. When I was driving

(35:58):
out of there, I heard some fans talking about Cane
Womack oh Man, Bama's defense dropped the ball. Dude. Alabama's
defense was the least of their problems last night, missing
lt Overton and still Georgia's longest play was nineteen yards. Guys,
you can't give average starting field position like that. You
can't let that many drives start in your territory and

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look and say, all right, defense, we're not gonna do
anything to help you out. We're not gonna score. I mean,
we couldn't throw our way out of a wet paper bag.
We certainly couldn't run our way through tissue right now.
Don't you let them score though? Yeah, that's not the
way football really works. So it's a very disappointing performance
by Alabama. But man, that has a lot to do
with the team lined up across from them. But the

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whole take that we had coming into this one, I
picked Georgia to win a close game. The reason you
don't ever want to give them Obama is because they've
had this mental edge against Georgia. But also you do
know there's this tight rope that Alabama offensively has to walk.
If they walk it, they can win. But the point
is the tightrope walk. Every Alabama drive feels like a

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tightrope walk. And the whole thing about a tightrope walk
is if you make it to the other side, it's great,
it's legendary. Everyone remembers it. Why do they remember it?
Because the risk is you fall off the tightrope and
if everything doesn't go right, if everything's not clicking right now,
because they can't run the ball and that offensive line's
banged up. And I would argue Josh Quavis number eighty

(37:24):
for him is an extremely underappreciated facet of their offense.
And he didn't play last night, and so you got
freshman tailbacks, which makes the tailback pass ineffective. Out of
the backfield. You don't have your usual third down safety
valve in Quavis, your offensive lines beat the death. If
you don't walk the tight rope, you die. They weren't
able to walk the tightrope last night. That's kind of

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why I've been phrasing it like that. It's cool when
it works, But that Georgia threw the crowbar and the
spokes last night, that's exactly what happened. Now because we
know now that Alabama's made the playoff, the following question
is how much healthier can they get? And they've got
confidence they can get a fair amount healthier obviously than
they were last night. But the reason I'm not focusing

(38:07):
on health the whole lot is cause guys, Georgia played
without their starting center last night, and Tim Keenan, I mean,
coming back from injury. The first time these teams played
was fully healthy last night, and that was not even
a focal point of that game much. We got to
the fourth quarter and I looked at Lawan and I said,

(38:27):
have we even mentioned the lack of Drew Bobo tonight?
Have we even mentioned his absence. No, did you hear
Kirby smart after this game. One of the reasons why
I kept hammering the drum that Alabama losing that game
was not going to cost them a playoff spot is
because the SEC was not going to allow that to happen.
I don't mean they technically control the playoff committee. I
mean the playoff committee was well aware if we remove

(38:50):
a participant from the playoff or from the playoff that
was in the SEC championship game, the otherwise would have
been the playoff. It is curtains as far as the
SEC is concerned, they were going to go scort Stirth.
Kirby made a good point in his postgame press conference
last night. He said, we're about to move to nine
conference games. You just witnessed our ninth league game this year.

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US in Alabama just played our ninth league game, and
it's like Georgia. The winning team crawls to the podium
with cuts and scrapes all over and their mouths bleeding,
and they maybe can cussed figuratively, of course, and they're like,
that's the winning team. And he said, you know, he
talked about Alabama. He said they're beat to death too,

(39:32):
like that's their ninth league game. That's just what we're
going to voluntarily enter ourselves into. And then this would
be the tenth SEC game that some of us play.
And he said, there's a lot of concern around the
league right now. A lot of people think that's whining
until they come and coach or play in the SEC
and they find out, like, this is the only league
where the bad teams have a whole bunch of Sunday talent.

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This is like in the SEC, the way recruiting is
is Dylan Stewart will legitimately decide to go South Carolina
over Georgia or Alabama. That would never happen in the
Big Ten. The Big Ten is so perfectly set up
right now because the Big Ten there's a tighter concentration
of talent. The good players are going to go to
three or four programs. They're not choosing Wisconsin, they're not

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choosing Michigan State. That's just not going to happen in
the SEC. Dude, Arkansas gets some players, like South Carolina
gets players, and you'll look at them and you'll say,
what are you doing? Well? Those places disproportionately take football
more serious and so the trade off is, and here's
what sucks in the end. None of your teams may
be as good as Ohio State or Indiana we'll see,

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but the middle pack they still beat up on you.
And you may go in there and beat them twenty
to nine or something like that in week seven, but
your training room looks no less crowded that following Sunday morning,
just because the team you played had a bad record
and now they're going to sign up for more of those.
Look the Kaitlin Debori year two experiment as it it's
not an experiment, the era year two. It's still playing out.

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I'm gonna reserve judgment. You know, we can do the
post mortem once they're season's done. It's not done. Now
they're going to the playoff. I kind of thought both
of these teams last night should be proud to get
to that moment. I mean, if you know, like the
public injury report is only a small part of the
story for that team right there. I mean, I would

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argue is far worse than the injury report made it look.
George is the same way. Okay, so both of the
teams can say this, but Georgia one. So you don't
have to contextualize it with Alabama, They're banged up badly,
They're gonna play a game. They got at least one
more game they get to play against Oklahoma. Let's see
how that thing plays out, you know, because I'm still
an extremely high believer in Kaitlin de Bourn in these

(41:46):
big leverage situations. Let's see how that looks. But overall,
just kind of offensively, I just felt like they had
no where to turn. Georgia gave them no where to turn.
Their own execution or lack thereof, gave them no where
to turn. I will say this though, a bunch of
you were following along just our overall, our overall journey
this week. This week was incredible for us. It started Thursday.

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We went up to New York City. We did get
up on green Look when Mike Greenberg hit you up
and says, I need you in New York, I need
you in studio. We got to talk multiple segments of
college football. You look at your phone and you go, oh,
is he serious? Wow? Good for Greeney. And you go
up there and we did that Thursday, and then you

(42:32):
come home and you do your live show in Nashville
that Thursday night slightly pre recorded on Thursday. We went
down to Atlanta on Friday and we sold out the
Buckhead Theater there in Atlanta. Look at you, guys. This
was an incredible moment. We did not broadcast this live
because that's the value of attending a ticketed event. Cublick
joined us, even though we had complications getting in the building.

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Will Compton Taylor Lawan joined us there. We had a
bunch of friends of the program show up, a Lissa
Lang stop by, Chris Doring stopped by. We had Peter
Burns join us on stage. We had exclusive merch that's
only available at our live event, and I don't know
whatever my expectations were for that merchandise, but you guys
blew that away. Everything about the show was better than

(43:19):
best case scenario. We intentionally went into that show having
no format. I didn't even take a piece of paper
on stage with me. We had no idea how we
wanted it to go. So I literally told our production
team turn the mics on. That's it. Open the doors
and turn the mics on. So we learned a few lessons, obviously,
But that was so fun, and it was the first

(43:39):
time that we've ever had an event where in very
very large numbers, our audience comes together, and about a
thousand of you were there. That's as many as we
could fit in there. So you guys can attest to this.
But for the many, many more of you who weren't
there and who will hopefully be able to attend the
several of these we do in the future, yes, that's happening.

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The vibe was pretty incredible. You never know what to expect,
you know, when you've built an audience like ours, but
you haven't had those kind of events. You don't know
what it's like when everyone gets together. I don't know
how to describe it. It felt like a family reunion, just
a great, big family reunion. It's unbelievable. So I've always
known the attachment. I've always known how loyal you guys
are to the show and me in turn to you

(44:22):
like I've always known that, but it was really nice
to see it validated, I guess with a real tangible example.
So that was man, it was a load of fun.
We're gonna do several more of those, you know, So
anyone who had FOMO, if you had fear of missing
out on that one, we'll do that. Several more time.
We had some very very high level meetings on Friday

(44:43):
with a bunch of very important people who are very
interested in taking those concepts and duplicating them several times over.
And that includes the next day when myself, along with
Harry Douglas, along with Taylor Luwan and Will Compton, we're
just handed microphones by ESPN and thrown on national television

(45:04):
to call the SEC Championship game. This right here is
some of the most fun I've ever had. Kirby Smart,
right before the SEC Championship Game, walks up and says, guys,
you got to make sure you enjoy this. Well we did.
We did. It was bumpy out of the gate, you know,
because none of us have done that before. But eventually,
you know, Tibo comes up, very inquisitive, happy, happy to

(45:25):
assist him any kind of advice he needed. This was
so much fun. We got great traction on this. This
is a concept that I highly expect we'll be able
to explore again big time thanks to Pat McAfee. Pat
McAfee is why we were able to do this. That
is Pat's package. That recording artist Pat McAfee, mind you,
that is his package. That is his property and he

(45:48):
was able to put us on it, and then thanks
to ESPN for trusting us enough to be able to
execute it. Man, that was real fun. I've never done
play by play before, like I've never done broadcast and
color before, so that was a really really fun pool
to just dip the toe in. But again, I want
to circle back to the same thing I said about
the live show. We cannot do any of it without

(46:10):
what this audience has done, without what the bust and
audience has done for those guys. And there's very very
heavy overlap there, and we understand that, and we really
really appreciate that. And you guys have given us so
many opportunities, and I promise you again. You can tell
I'm sort of bursting at the seams to be able
to say more, but I can't right now. We're going
to have many, many more opportunities because of that. And

(46:31):
then I have to always follow that up with promising
you that doesn't mean anything about the show. We are
never going to screw the show up. The show is
going nowhere other than where it is right now, the
same way it is right now. Anything we get because
of the success of the show will be in addition
to it will be an ornament on the tree. The
show's the tree, so Peyte State forever, let us move on.

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We had yet another conference championship game last night. I
get home in Nashville in time to watch the whole
second half, and of course I've since gone back and
watched the entire Big Ten championship game. And you guys
did it. You guys did it. Indiana thirteen, Ohio State ten.
I'd put we deliberated two and a half Chaali on

(47:21):
this game. You could easily argue three. It's very weird
a three point game in a conference title game. I
think we'll get some pushback on that. I think some
people thought that maybe a forour Chalai game. I just
I couldn't help but watch it before I talk a
bunch of Indiana. I couldn't help but watch it and say,
you know, this seems familiar. Ohio State's played this game

(47:41):
half a dozen times this year, this kind of compressed,
compacted game. They play, kind of conservative. But you're sitting
there thinking to yourself, they're playing this way cause they
don't need to play any other way. I've seen that
before from them. What I haven't seen is that against
a premier opponent that limits your scoring drives and you're
unable to convert scoring opportunities. That happened last night. That

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was really the big difference. So that means giant tip
of the cap if I was wearing one to Indiana.
Because what we have here is we have our badlock
game of the year. The badlock stat is opite opposite
of the padlock stat. The padlock stat on this show
is the one thing or the one stat that if

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I told you Friday, you would have known the outcome
of the game. A badlock stat is the kind of
stat that would so badly have misled you. You would
have bet your house or your form. Perhaps you live
on a farm, and you would have lost it all.
This was the latter. This is a badlock stat Game
of the Year. And it's very simple. If I tell
you that Indiana is scoring thirteen, you are printing the programs,

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you are buying the merchandise, you are assembling the bags
of confetti for Ohio State. They have won the Big
Ten championship. And you know what, that's not true because
Indian scored thirteen and it was good enough cause the
other guy only scored ten. That is the fewest amount
of points Indiana has scored in a game under Kurt Signetti,

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and they won a conference title. Anyway, it's the fewest
points Indiana has scored in a win since two thousand
and one. Fernando Mendoza surged in the Heismanods after this game,
and that's wonderful. And he cut one of the all
time legendary promos on that field after the game, and
Mino and full Well, there's a lot of America that

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has not watched an Indiana game so far this year. Therefore,
you haven't heard Fernando Mendoza talk. And that had to
be in the best of ways, just a cold splash
of water to the face. Fernando Mendez is one of one.
Diego Pavia is one of one. Whatever the oil and
the water of the Heismanods were, and whatever the oil

(49:53):
and water of personality is, you've got it on display.
I mean, Pavi is dressed to the knives with his
entoo walking into a UFC fight last night with his
team recording the entire thing, and Fernando Mendoza is replacing
the F word with flipping on national TV multiple times
in his thanks and his effusive praise of his team

(50:15):
and his teammates and his creator, and I have full
respect for that. I'm not making fun of him. I'm
just saying, if you listen to it and you've never
heard Fernando Mendoza talk, you might have thought to yourself,
what is this? What is happening? What is going on?
A Big Ten championship winning quarterback, That's what's going on.
So we get to see him go to the playoff.
But that's not what stands out. I suppose that was

(50:36):
long winded. I plan on that being five seconds. Great
for all those guys. Here's what happened last night. Bryant
Haynes locked up the Broyles Award. And I'm a voter,
so I'm sort of publicizing my vote here. Indiana's defensive
coordinator locked up the Broyles Award last night. As far
as I'm concerned, holds Ohio State to a season low
in points, season low in rush yards. Five sacks for

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that defense, nine tackles for loss. They own the red zone.
They held Ohio State to four twelve on third and
fourth down. Again, imagine pulling up to the building and
the buses. Hey, Bryant offense is going to score thirteen
for you? Is that enough? And he goes, yeah, yeah,
we'll be good. He was right. As it turns out,

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Ohio State played this game. Oh boy, let me think.
No matter what I say here, it's going to be
put in the hype video for whenever they play a
playoff game. You know what, Ryan Day's done a lot
for us. I owe this to Ryan Day. Ohio State
played like me Ma used to drive. Not reckless, not irresponsible.

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I don't mean those things at all. I just mean
they played like they had some time to kill. That's
how Memo used to drive me. Mall was like the
Tom Coughlin of leaving early to arrive early. If you're
ten minutes early, you're on time. If you're on time,
you're ten minutes late. And so me Ma would always
leave with plenty of time. Like church started at seven.

(51:59):
We would leave her house at six twenty, knowing full
well it's only twenty minutes away. Well, here's the trade off.
We're gonna do sixty four miles an hour in the
right lane because we got time to kill. We don't
need to be anywhere five minutes from now. And that's
just how I felt like. Ohio State played last night.
They had two drives trailing. Mind you, they had a

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couple of drives. One of them was twelve plays seventy
yards took about seven minutes. Another drive was fifteen plays
eighty one yards, took about eight minutes and got zero
points out of either of those, and they were down
thirteen to ten as those drives happened. The red zone
is still an issue with them, miss field goal, can't
convert on fourth down. I just kept thinking to myself,

(52:42):
how are they this deep in the game and not
allowing that wide receiver corps to take over. Now, the
logical counter to that is, well, if you're so high
on Bryan Haynes and that defense of Indiana, maybe they
weren't letting them take over. No one dictates what Ohio
State's wide receiver room is able to do. If they
are able to like if alignment or if matchups are

(53:04):
able to dictate that Jeremiah Smith ends up being a
non factor late in the game, it is a dereliction
of coaching duty. It's not that he lost his potential,
it's not that he lost his talent, and it's also
not that you got him on a team where it's
him and a bunch of middle schoolers. You're so loaded
in that room. There's just no excuse for Ohio State
to be that bottled up, but they were so. Kurt

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Signetti the worst nightmare to me of like every other
head coach in the country, Kurt Signetti's ruined it for
a lot of guys. A lot of guys look at
Signetti and they probably you know, praise him publicly, but
behind the scenes, do you understand how hard he has
made other coaches lives because he burns all the excuse making.
Because if Kurt Signetti can walk into Indiana in year

(53:49):
one and do what he did and then follow it
up with the year two performance, no one gets to
ask for patients anymore. No one gets to look at
their ad and say if you just don't have enough resources.
No one gets to say we just got to recruit
a little better, because the AD is going to look
back and say, well, sig didn't have to. Kurt Signetti
didn't say that. And what do you say. You're gonna say, well,

(54:12):
we're not Indiana. They're not accepting that. Well, I'm not
Kurt Signetti. That dude was that JMU searching for an
opportunity in his sixties that Indiana finally gave him. They're
not accepting that. I'm not saying that's logical irrational. I'm
saying it is. That's just the way it's gonna be.
And I go back to last year. Here's where I
was so wrong about him, Kurt SIGNITTI kind of turned

(54:33):
what we thought was the main event into the warm
up act. Last year. They come out of nowhere. This
is one of the stories of college football season, and
they overachieved so drastically that even though they got blown
out against Ohio State and they got handled pretty thoroughly
against Notre Name, Like, my perspective was, don't hold them
to the standard you would Georgia. This is Indiana. You've

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got to be effusive in your praise that they're even
in this conversation. But the FOLLO was it's probably a
one time deal though, and they'll fall back to earth.
That was just their warm up. This team was so
much better this year than last year's team. This team
we ended up having them power rated number two by
the time they played Ohio State, and well before that

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they were a legitimate number two. I'm talking when I
say power rating, I mean like odds making, who would
be favored? Neutral, feel that sort of thing. Last year,
Indiana was never that they were an inflated record because
they played an inferior schedule and they executed really well,
But then when it came time to play the big boys,
they got put in their place. This year, they are
the big boy, and they put one of the other
ones in its place yesterday, and now we get to

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see them with the first round by They're the number
one overall seed in the playoffs. They're the Big Ten champs.
And I don't want to fall victim to knee jerk
reaction or speak hyperbolically, but I don't know how you
don't at least consider Kurt Signetti on Mount Rushmore of
college football. Josh, no, oh, you mean of all sports? No? No,

(55:59):
just the Mount Rushmore, Just the Mount Rushmore. I know
it's only presidents so far, but none of them have
won Big Ten titles. None of them could have at
Theodore Roosevelt. You think Abraham Lincoln is winning the Big
Ten in year two anywhere, much less at Indiana? I
don't think so. So gim me sig on Mount Rushmore.

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Who says no? And if you say no, you better
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just memorize pai ten. All right, back to the show.
So these first round matchups, I did want to comment
on these, and I did want to say hey to everyone.
I'm told they're playing NFL games right now, eleven twelve
thousand people watching live, so I appreciate you, guys. I'm
gonna get back to the playoff here. Since the round
one games are set, I do have a few thoughts
on these, Like Alabama's gonna play Oklahoma round one. We

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just saw the game a few weeks ago in a
different venue. We saw Oklahoma come to Tuscaloosa. Remember that
was the game? Yeah, you guys, remember that was the game.
I was so confident in Alabama's gone. Got a little
bit of a roll going on, and Model Loves Alabama.
I think it was minus five and a half from
minus six and a half. We laid the points, and
the thing about the box score of the game was

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we got everything we thought we would get from a
production standpoint, except one small problem, and that was minus
three in the turnover column. And I remember, I would
love to excuse this away. I would love for them
to be those freak kind of you know, ball hit
and offensive lineman's helmet popped up in the air and
an OU linebacker caught it. It was not that it
was Oklahoma forcing turnovers, and truthfully, it could have been

(58:55):
a lot worse because there were some fumbles that Ou
didn't recover that they forced. So we saw the game
a few weeks ago and Ou ended up winning a
close game in Tuscaloosa. Same issue here. If Oklahoma is
able to limit that run of Alabama's and why not
everyone else does so. If they're able to do that again,
and it comes down to Ty Simpson throwing this time,

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it's him trying to do it on the road. Norman,
Oklahoma hosting a playoff game gonna be pretty special, so
it's him having to do it on the road. It
is a night kickoff that place will be lubricated, no immunity,
It just is what it is. He had success against
them the first time around statistically, but it came at
a price, and the price was them having to rely

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on a high leverage offensive game script and Brent Venable's
making them pay the price. So again, we're gonna see
Oklahoma after a few weeks off here until further notice.
We have to assume that John Matteer kind of is
what he's gonna be. I don't know that, but I'm
gonna assume maybe limited production from Oklahoma offensively, just like

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Indiana showed us last night. If you're putting up thirteen,
it doesn't matter if you hold the other guy to ten.
So if Oklahoma's going to get twenty on the board,
a lot of them feel like that's going to be
good enough to win. Plus they're going to listen to
people talk about how they don't really deserve to be there.
Some people, you know, Dusty Devorceek's gonna make sure Gay
Bike or Teddy Lehman going to make sure they scour
the internet and find every disrespectful comment about Oklahoma, of

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which there will be many, and plastrum all over the place.
And they absolutely will. I'm not going to contribute though,
because I believe in a complimentary style of football. If
you get praised for scoring fifty points a game offensively,
you also ought to get praised for what you hold
teams to defensively. So it's a home game at Oklahoma. Oh.

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They asked me when I did get up the other day,
Greenie said, you're the commissioner, what would you do? I
listed a few other things, but pretty high on my
list was giving us more home playoff games. If we've
got to expand the playoff, and we did, how do
we look can say we only want one round? We
only want one round of this. No, give me as

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many rounds of that as possible, immunity. That's gonna be great.
In case you missed it, that is a Friday night
eight pm Eastern seven pm local time. Kick. Alabama at
Oklahoma is the Friday night game, and then Saturday. You've
got three games, speaking of which I've got thoughts on
another game. So we know that game is on a

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Friday night. Well what about Saturday? Miami at Texas A
and M is set as a first round playoff game.
This game kicks off Saturday December twentieth. That's the good news.
The bad news is eleven am Local kick. I understand
the broadcast parameters like those are kind of fixed times,
so you don't have much control over that because clearly,

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like you're gonna select the best two games if you're
ESPN and then you have sub licensed the other games
to T and T, they get third and fourth pick,
but they do get the primetime spots. It is what
it is. Is A M a five and a half
point favorite at FanDuel right now. Interested to see if
that number moves any So both teams will struggle to
run the ball in this game. That is my strong suspicion. Now,

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if A and M can run the ball, they'll win
the game. If they can't, or if it's limited, and
it stands to be because Miami brings a top ten
run defense into Kyle Field, then it once again falls
on the shoulders of Marcell Reid. And kind of like
we talked about with Ty Simpson, but more so with
Marcel Reid's just going to be a high risk, high

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reward sort of an approach. That's kind of how I
would see this game playing out. Marcel Reid could give
you a performance that makes me look and say, had
I gotten more of that down the stretch, my Heisman
ticket would have cashed. That could happen. Or Miami could
get out gained by thirty yards but be plus three
in turnovers and walk out of there having stolen a win.
That could be one of two ways that this goes.

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But what I love is as far as their playoff
hopes go, Texas A and M is in a shockingly
similar position as Ohio State was last year, to lesser
attention because Ohio State lost against Michigan is a three
touchdown favorite, whereas A and M lost to Texas and
that was expected to be a close game. And also
that game happened on a Friday of rivalry week, so

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it happened, and then it was kind of out of
people's main focus of attention, but it happened. So in
that building, that's all that's mattered. And they lost that game,
and they knew they were still going to host a
playoff game. You will have had three weeks of rest
by the time this game kicks off. They're going to
put pressure on Carson Beck. Miami has not been a
very good road team now these last few weeks Notwithstanding,

(01:03:39):
Mario could listened to this show and hit us up
right now and say, did you see the Pit game. Yes,
that's why I said the last few weeks, notwithstanding, because
I also saw the SMU game. So we do have
to remember the entire sample size here, and they're going
to go into by far, the most hostile environment they
will have played in all year. Some of those kids
have never played in an vironment like this, and they

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will face Jesse I think the best pass rush that
they will have seen all year. So that's Carson Beck
under pressure, and that is you know, that's a situation
where he's had his ups and downs this year. But
think about that not only from Miami's hopes of winning
the game, but from an NFL perspective. I mean, if
you're a scout and you're kind of wondering what do

(01:04:23):
I make of Carson Beck, buddy, just tune into this game.
But yards per carry I think will be huge here.
I don't want to make it padlock stat time right
now because we've got twelve days or so until this game,
but it's going to be at yards per carry stat
that's going to be pretty glaring. But again, we just
talked about the Oklahoma Alabama game. Think about this game,

(01:04:43):
just picture it for a second. Kyle Field early kickoff,
early kickoff, but Kyle Field hosting a playoff game. It's
all I've ever wanted for Billy Lucci, It's all I've
ever won. There's a rumor floating around by the way
that Luci invited me to his wedding, Like, where did
that come from? On what Texas message board was that born?

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I don't know. Now. There was a wedding that involved
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Now we have to get uncomfortable. Now we have to
broach the subject everyone's talking about. Yeah, yeah, So we
have two G five teams in the playoff Tulane, Ole Miss,
Jmu Oregon. We do, regrettably have the point spreads for
these games courtesy of FanDuel Sportsbook. Tulane is a seventeen

(01:06:33):
and a half point dog against Old Miss, and you
may be thinking to yourself, didn't I already see that game? Yeah,
Ole Miss beat them by thirty five the first time around.
Next Lee Jmu at Oregon Oregon a casual twenty one
and a half point favorite in a playoff game. So
people have some really really strong thoughts on this. I've

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had strong thoughts on this for a while. I've told
you for a while it makes no sense that college
football structured the way it is for many reasons, but
it makes no sense that college football pretends like one
hundred and thirty six teams are playing the same sport.
It's so obvious they're not. And so I've gotten two
bits of pushback on that. One bit of criticism is,

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why do you want to hold down smaller teams? Why
do you want to choke off the one chance they
have to compete? I don't I'll get to that in
a second. And then the other one is, well, if
they don't get that opportunity, then you're financially cutting them
off and they die on the vine. I don't want that.
You got to get some smart people in the room

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to understand we can restructure the playoff. We can rebuild
the playoff actually entirely where you don't have G five
inclusion in the main playoff and still have a very
very nice, revenue producing product that is exclusively G five.
You know a world where JMU could actually win the
title or Tu Lane could actually win the title. Now

(01:07:55):
everybody logically watching this or listening to this knows O
Organ's not playing the same sport as JMU. Everybody knows
Ole Miss is not playing the same sport as Too Late.
Everybody knows that, but for some reason we're still forced
to pretend they are when it comes playoff time. So
you can say what I just said without having disdain

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or hate in your heart for the G five I
feel the total opposite. I love G five football. I'd
like to build a world. I'd like to build an
ecosystem where it thrives, not cutting it out of this
system to watch it die. That's not how that has
to happen. But the mental gymnastics that proponents of G
five inclusion put themselves through are so mind numbing that

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I just removed myself from the conversation because the way
I look at it is no G five teams is
ever gonna win this national championship. Certainly they're not so like.
It's never like they're gonna make a run in the playoff.
The worst that happens is it takes away and robs
us of what would be far more premiere first round
playoff games, and then JMU and Tulane will get disposed

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of in the first round because they're far inferior teams,
and then we'll move on about the playoffs. So it's
not like I'm gonna get burned. There is no Boise,
Oklahoma two thousand and seven coming to rescue you on
this argument. So the argument you're making is a very
bad faith argument. If you're making this one, well you
know upsets have happened before. That's not even it's so

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far away from the point that it doesn't even deserve
a reply. But here's the reply. I don't care if
JMU goes and beats Oregon. It doesn't disprove my point.
My point is they don't deserve inclusion in this format
because anybody I could take Auburn and have them play

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jmu's schedule, and they're probably an eleven and one team
are possibly undefeated Auburn Auburn. You look at some of
the advanced metrics, they would tell you Auburn's about the
twenty sixth to thirtieth best team in the country right now.
They're probably be favored top to bottom against jmu's schedule.
The point there is we're not playing the same sport,
We're not looking at the same sport. So the one

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bad faith argument is someone will cherry pick this one
example of an upset happening, and though say, see, you
can't say that wouldn't happen. My point is not even
that it's impossible for them to pull the upset if
they get in the playoff. My point is they shouldn't
be in the playoff to begin with because the road
that they took looks way different than the road these
other teams have to take. That's part one. Part two

(01:10:27):
is with all this money floating around right now, people
are insane if they don't think a G five playoff
would sell and sell big. Do you understand how desperate
other networks are for quality postseason college football inventory. I
used to work at one up until very recently. That

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is void of it entirely. You don't think that if
we took a package of G five playoff games and
put them on any network that it wouldn't sell. Of
course it would. There are going to be a lot
of proposals coming up about the entire world of like
the way that since the Score Act died in Congress

(01:11:10):
the way that we can move forward, and you hear
all kinds of pitches about private equity and people just
looking to invest in college football. Invest in a G
five playoff, everybody wins. I'm not trying to box you out,
by the way, because I would love a world where
promotion and relegation existed. What that looks like is I
don't want to pick any one individual program, But if

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you're a program that just continues to suck year in
and year out, and you keep beating your chest, go
hey man, we're still in the big ten of the
SEC no matter what, Well, maybe you shouldn't automatically be
Maybe if you're that bad for that long, maybe you
ought to drop down in too lane, ought to jump up.
I would have a problem with that. A little advancement
and escape hatch built on that system. But to sit

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here and pretend, like one hundred and thirty sixteen to
play the same sport so stupid. So the money's there
to figure this out, because really, what the argument always
boils down to is a fundamental argument. No one really
looks at JMU and Tulane in the playoff and thinks
to themselves, yep, purely from a competitive standpoint, this makes
sense to me. You don't think that. If you're a

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JMU fan, I got one on our staff. He looks
at it and says, I love it because I love JMU.
Totally fine. I say the same thing if I were
you Press, or if you're a Tu Lane fan, or
if you're a fan of any team that competes for
this thing, you want to make it because you want
to make it. I'm talking about removing that lens and
looking at it purely from a logic based competitive standpoint.

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No one looks at this and thinks it makes sense,
So the argument doesn't come to that. The argument comes
to if we're not involved in the college football playoff,
we can't make enough money to survive. And what I'm
saying is there is plenty enough money floating around the
world of college athletics to get it figured out. That's
my point on that whole thing, and it should have

(01:13:01):
long ago gotten figured out, but it still hasn't. Our
friends at FanDuel hit us up early today. They of course,
they gave us all the numbers. Those first round spreads.
Very interesting, very interesting, But I don't want to talk
to you about that today. So if you watch the show,
you know that we partner with FanDuel a little over
a year and a half ago. One of the main

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the table with FanDuel is I said, we have got
too heavily infused responsible gaming into the show. So FanDuel
always gets a read, they get placement in the show.
But one of our non negotiables was occasionally I got
to talk to folks who are at risk of gambling

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addiction or who are making some very irresponsible decisions when
it comes to sports betting, and they said, not only
are we okay with it, we'll support it. And they
put their money where their mouth is. So you see
on this monitor over my shoulder here listening to on podcast,
it says trusted Voices. It is an entire separate vehicle.

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it conversations about betting. It's a website and it is
totally designed to equip adults. You could be a parent,
you could be a coach with tools and resources to
talk to younger people about gambling. Because one of the
worst things it happened to me. One day, I was
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became a thing. This is offshore, These are the old
school days. And I bet two four team NFL parlays.
I hit them both, thought I was invincible and ended
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Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
All Right, lastly, before we get out of here, you
didn't possibly think the show was going to end without
me acknowledging this. After fifty four long days, the Penn
State Nitney Lyons have hired a head coach, and hoops
to amongst us, could ever have seen it coming. But
Matt Campbell is the new head coach at Penn State.

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I have to be an incredibly big man right now.
And for those of you who are listening, I have
my eyes closed because this is where I get myself
in a safe mental space where I don't say the
words I told you so, because the last thing we
want to do on this show, the last thing we
want to do is beat people over the head when
I told you so. But I'll tell you what I

(01:17:11):
felt like I just watched. I feel like I just
watched Penn State go all the way around the world
to find treasure in their backyard. This should have been
the first call they made. They weren't getting Freeman, they
weren't getting Debor, none of those grand Slam like unicorn
candidates were going to be available. That should have always

(01:17:32):
been evident. Mike Elko, they were not close on him.
I am just telling you from firsthand knowledge that was
not happening. But Matt Campbell could have happened, and you
could have saved yourself potentially a recruiting class, and you
could have saved yourself a lot of heart ache. Anyway,
Matt Campbell finally happened. There are two perspectives on this,
and they're just fascinating because I have banged the drum

(01:17:55):
for Matt Campbell on this show as the best candidate
for Penn State since they fired James Franklin. The first
night after they fired Franklin, we came on the air
and I said, Matt Campbell ought to be the one
you target. So that's why I'm speaking the way I'm speaking.
Football people will universally praise Matt Campbell. You will never
find a football guy who speaks ill of him. They
all universally respect him. The NFL heavily respects him. He

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has turned down NFL head coaching jobs in the last
five years, so they think sky high of him. His
peers think the world of him. Nobody who pushed back
on the concept of Matt Campbell getting the Penn State
job ever gave me football related reasoning, or if they did,
it was very ignorant and it was short sighted, and
it was like, well, he hasn't even won the Big Twelve.

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In college football, it is not the NFL. You don't
all work on the same platform. In the NFL, everyone
plays by the same rules, everyone's allowed the same draft picks,
everyone's working on a salary cap. None of that exists
in college football. So if you're the head coach at
Texas and you're the head coach at Iowa State, you
live in two different worlds. You have two totally different existences.

(01:19:05):
So Matt Campbell, in the one hundred and thirty some
odd year history of Iowa State is in the midst
right now of the best three year stretch they've ever had.
They just won eight games. You win eight games at
Florida and they don't like it. You win eight games
at Alabama, that's costs for concern. You win eight games
at Iowa State. It's one of the best seasons they've

(01:19:25):
ever had. And he just did that on the heels
of going to the Big Ten or Big twelve championship
game last year. So people who said, oh man, he
hadn't won big games, you have no clue what you're
talking about. Relative to expectation and relative to resource, he
crushed it at Iowa State. So no one brought any
football related counter arguments to the table, because there really

(01:19:48):
are none. Here's what a lot of people said. They
didn't trust their own instinct. They blindly trusted rumors or
perceptions of other instincts when they said, well, if he's
so great, Matt Campbell's so great, how come he hadn't
gotten job offers before? And I bit my tongue as
long as I could, and then I couldn't take it anymore.
And I told you on the show a couple of

(01:20:09):
weeks ago. They have they've come his way. Tennessee came
his way, Florida State came his way, The Detroit Lions
came his way. USC was at the eleventh hour a
few years ago. A lot of jobs came his way.
That's not an exhaustive list, by the way. Those are
just some that have sort of quasi leaked out there.
And I'm comfortable talking about he didn't leave because he

(01:20:32):
didn't want to leave. And you may think to yourself,
that's crazy. Iowa State. Oh, you get on the first
thing smoking out of Iowa State. Well, maybe if you
were the head coach there, you would, but he's not
like everyone else. So we went up there last spring
because I kind of wanted him to talk on the
record about this, and he did, and I think you'll

(01:20:54):
be fascinated to listen to this. This is a little
glimpse into why Matt Campbell didn't just move at the
first opportunity roll at Bradley. Short of like internet rumors,
there's never been really serious traction to you not being here.
So could you walk people through as much as you
can the thought process you have when you have opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
You know, I've been that guy where it's like, geez,
should I be climbing this this ladder of job the
job at a really young age two, you know, when
we got to Iowa State and have been able to
build something different, and I know, you know, for me,
leaving the University of Toledo was really hard, to be
quite honest, you know, from Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
My wife and I had never.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Left Ohio at that time with three kids with a
fourth on the way, we had grandparents and family that
were you know, anchors to us, and it was really
hard to leave. And you know, that was the first
time I said, geez, I don't know if this is
what I want to do. I want to be able
to lay roots and build something different in something that's
really special, that can stand for something. And you know,

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I think that's the one gratitude that I have for
being the head coach. I walk in here every day
and I'm just be ungrateful to be the head football
coach at Iowa State, and you know, we've been able
to build a program and build a program that I
really believe stands for something.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Savannah State heavily critical of my sitting posture there. It
is what it is. I know no other way. Let
me tell you why I think he's a perfect fit there.
He's dead serious about that Toledo stuff. Matt Campbell came
very closely just not leaving Toledo for Iowa State. Okay,
that's how dug in. He was at Toledo and then
he got to Iowa State and thought to himself, I'm
not leaving here. A lot of guys talk like that

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and give it lip service. I don't know how else
to tell you, he's just telling you the truth. Other
people are lying to you. He's telling you the truth there.
And so it took a lot. It took a lot
to peel him out of there. Penn State was able
to do it. So the first thing that I would
take comfort in if I'm a Penn State is or
if I'm a Penn State fan, one of the first
things I would take comfort in is knowing that guy's
not going anywhere. It was so hard to get him

(01:22:58):
out of there, that he's ours. The only risk you
would run is do NFL teams come calling? Like That's
all I would worry about. He's one of the best
culture builders in college football. Anyone who's been around it,
anyone who's played against it, will attest to it. He's
got sort of a magnetic quality, and his programs take
on this magnetic quality, which is really important because, contrary

(01:23:18):
to popular belief, this thing's still about relationship building. I
was talking to Courtney Morgan at Alabama last night, and
I was talking about like philosophy and recruiting and about
the misnomer that, oh, it's just about paying the most
for players now, and all the good general managers or
all the head coaches will laugh at that. It's not

(01:23:39):
about that. It's true that you could go overspend and
just go as symbol a bunch of talent if you
didn't build the relationship. Firstly, you probably had to overpay
to get the talent if you didn't build a relationship,
and then secondly, they're not going to go over the
cliff for you. There were a few very glaring examples,
by the way late in the season of teams that had,
for lack of a better term, higher bunch of players

(01:24:00):
and the players quit on them. So what all the
talent matter to you? That is not a characteristic of
a Matt Campbell organization. Not only that, but because of
the magnetic nature of the program, you'll find that guys
take a discount to play for you, and guys will
accept in some cases less to stay with you. I

(01:24:20):
can promise you that was the case with him at
Iowa State. Now he goes to a place where you'll
still have all of those qualities. They will place a
premium on evaluation and development. He's bringing his general manager,
Derrek Hooder with him, one of the best in the business,
so they'll still be good. They'll still be plus to
a plus in all those categories. Now they've got big

(01:24:41):
money to spend. Penn State will equip them to where
they can be very competitive in the NIO market, and
so you can attract a wider net, you can cast
a wider net, and you can catch bigger fish in
that net. They're still going to run him through the
same filter that they would have run them through at
Iowa State, or they're not going to play at Penn State.
Is grinder, very blue collar mentality. It's why I always

(01:25:03):
felt like his personality would be a puzzle piece fit
at like three or four big programs, and this is
one of them. So he won't have to get up
there and pretend he has it. You know, like you
guys at Penn State. You know what fits at Penn State.
Some people have to pretend that they fit at Penn State.
He won't have to pretend. I didn't want to address
this though. Okay, so I'm a big Iowa State fan.

(01:25:26):
People think I'm lying about that, but I'm not. So
I'm a huge Matt Campbell fan too. Truthfully, I probably
become bigger fans of coaches than programs. But I am
a big Iowa State fan, have been since I was
a kid. So I got a lot of heat for
how I handled this. All right, So I do want
to address that because I do acknowledge this probably a
really bad look because it looked like I was trying

(01:25:47):
to convince the market to remove Iowa State's head coach.
It wasn't that, but I grant that. If you thought
it felt that way, my bad, because that's the last
thing I want to do to Iowa State. What I
felt is there was a guy at Iowa State and
had been for a while, that was fully capable of
taking over a top ten, top fifteen job and winning.

(01:26:09):
And I thought Matt Campbell was that, and I just
maybe it's selfish. I wanted to see him take a shot.
Having said that, the very next thing that happened was
this broke. This news broke as I was live on
stage the other night doing our live show, so I
was kind of having fun with the live crowd, and
I put that edit out of me and him walking

(01:26:30):
down a hallway and he's got a Penn State logo
on his chest bad optics. Sorry about that. I grant
you that. So took some heat for that. It was deserved.
That's the last thing I want to do. So now
pull for Matt Campbell at Penn State. We're going to
go up there tomorrow. We'll be there for the introductory
press conference. Just someone tell Sean fitz to get our
room ready. Now we regroup, and now we get behind

(01:26:53):
the new staff at Iowa State. And by the way,
Jamie Poller's the ad there just textbook clinic put on
in how to be classy when what was probably an
inevitability finally happens. Maybe they didn't feel like it was
in inevitability. But when you're Iowa State and you got
big programs that continuously come calling for your guy, eventually

(01:27:16):
he may leave. He was there a decade and so
when he leaves, what do you do. Do you trash
him on his way out the door? Do you put
on this entire spectacle like we saw with Lane Kiffin
at Ole Miss No, you thank him and then you
have the next hire ready to go and boom it's done.
So yes, yes, I could have handled that optics wise
a lot better from the Iowa State side. So I

(01:27:36):
do want to acknowledge that, because it's not like I
was just faking like an Iowa State. I'll be right
back there in the foxhole next year. I will just
also pull for Matt Campbell at Penn State. Okay, that's
our show. It was a loaded show. Today, We've got
a lot to chew on. We're right smack gab in
the middle of playoff season. Now, appreciate you guys so much.
Make sure you are subscribed through the channel. I guess
we're on the drive to a million now, I don't guess.

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I am. I gotta go eat lunched for director Bradley.
For producer Jesse, I'm Josh Pate. Take care, have a
great rest of your Sunday, and God bless.

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