SEC & Big Ten Beefing + Biggest Questions & Lanning vs DeBoer

Josh Pate’s College Football Show Ep 639 features Josh Pate taking a look at massive changes in the College Football world and the SEC vs Big Ten fight over things like the Transfer Portal and College Football Playoff. What do we make of the Dan Lanning vs Kalen DeBoer debate that appeared in the comments? Which head coach will win a national title first? Have we seen the last of the elite teams at the top of College Football? Bold prediction season has returned with you calling your shot including Oklahoma being a top 8 CFP seed, Penn State rushing for 200+ vs Ohio State, the ACC runnerup not making the CFP, and three Big12 teams making the Playoff.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:30):
How close are we to the season? I'll tell you
how close we are. If you're listening on podcasts, you
hear that sound. If you're watching, you just realize I'm
needlessly thumping the laptop.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
But it's not needless.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
This laptop happens to be the home of an email
that I just got earlier today from management to some
degree about booking SEC and Big ten media days travel,
which means we are ever so close to just being
able to talk about this great sport of ours on the.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Field and nothing but on the field. Welcome in, we
are jam.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Packed hiatap a stormy at last check downtown Nashville, Tennessee.
They tell me it's Tuesday, June seventeenth, the year of
our Lord, twenty twenty five. We are probably brought to
you by Academy Sports and Outdoors and smells like Big
Questions Season to me. Smells like Bold Prediction season to me.
And my nose does not fail me because both of

(01:23):
those are in the show tonight. We have got a well,
we've got a classic conundrum on our hands in the
sport of college football where the parents are fighting, and
by that I mean mother and father. SEC and Big
Ten not necessarily in lockstep with how the future of

(01:44):
the world ought to work. And you hate to see it,
don't you. Don't you really hate to see it?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Not so much?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
So I'll talk about that tonight. We have also got
a storm chasing tale that I'm gonna bring you a
little bit later in the show because someone asked me
if a certain had ever happened to me, and it
jogged my memory. Oh, that thing has happened to me
in Lewistown, Illinois. No less good people in Lewistown. So
we got a jam packed show tonight. That's that's how

(02:11):
thick the piece of paper or the stacks of paper
in front of me are. They're watching us in Chula Vista, California, Florianopolis, Brazil.
There's no way I pronounced it right. There's no way
I accented it right. But that's the best that West
Georgia Public Education could do there. Conway, Arkansas, Raleigh, North Carolina.
Thank you guys so much. And with that, I don't

(02:33):
have thirty seven other announcements. Let's just dive into the
show tonight, shall we. I do want to put this
piece of paper over here, Okay, I got bad news.
Parents are fighting. You and I are upstairs. Dear God,
please make us a bird so we can.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Fly far, far, far away.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Why because downstairs they're shouting and there's loud noises, and
there's stuff shattering against the wall, and mother and father
are at each other's throats. But we're not supposed to
know about it. Were the kids upstairs?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
And what do I mean by all that?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, it seems it seems that college football's version of
this is just the Big ten in the SEC being
diametrically opposed about which direction the sports you take in
the future. I'm talking about football, but this may apply
broader than just the boundaries of football. So this is
playing out behind the scenes. It's supposed to play out

(03:26):
behind the scenes. They don't necessarily want you to know
about all this, But it wouldn't be ethical for me
to have knowledge of such things and keep it from you.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean, after all, who would want that.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
So if you are of the opinion that I am
an SEC homer, you're in luck, because I'm gonna go
against the SEC tonight. If you were of the opinion
that I'm a Big ten homer, you may be in luck.
I may also go against them. I find myself surfing
the fence. I'm not riding the fence. I am surfing
the fence because I am privy to what the SEC

(04:01):
wants on multiple fronts, and what the Big ten wants
on multiple fronts, and I find myself wanting to pick
some over there and some over here, and I'm guess
I'm notre Dame. I'm independent. I'm not in any camp
right now. So we got two issues. And this is
not some of the boring courtroom stuff that we have
chosen to forsake on the show.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
This matters.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So I don't even care if you're just a casual fan.
Not the casuals would ever be watching the show. But
if you know a casual fan out there, if you're
you know, buddies with the few people you're gonna go
to work tomorrow and you want to talk about something
that interests them, this stuff's pretty important about the immediate
near future of college football. First issue not the biggest,

(04:41):
I would say, But the first issue is the whole
matter of the transfer portal. Right now, we have been
in a world that makes no sense, because we have
been in a world where you could transfer pretty much
any time you wanted to. But even if you went
within the classic construct of the transfer portal window, well,
what have we had? We have had had the pre

(05:01):
spring portal window, and then we've had the post spring
portal window. And what that's looked like is you go
and you get a guy and he comes in in
the spring. Oh, that's all well and good, but then
you go through spring practice and then two of your
offensive linemen bail afterwards, and you're like, wait, did we
really just go through all of spring practice and invest

(05:22):
our time and energy and reps in these guys and
they're not here anymore and we don't have any recourse left.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
We're like, we're right up against the season starting and
our players just left.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
What do we do? It makes no sense and never did.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So they're talking about changing this, but and this is
going to surprise a lot of people, there's not broad
agreement in the room. The SEC coaches. They are, in
Brian Kelly's words, steadfast, they want that thing in January.
Makes sense. You want it to be in January. Kirby

(05:57):
Smart speaks every time that we have him on the
show about this.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
You want it in January.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Because you want to know who's going to be on
your team through spring so that you can work through
spring and develop that football team. And then you also
want to know that they can't leave you afterwards. If
they wanted to leave, they needed to do it in January.
We want to know who our football team is, what
our football team is, who's on our football team? Crazy concepts,
I know. We want to know that through spring, coming

(06:25):
out of spring, summer workouts, going in the fall. It's
just I remember when we had Kirby on the show
a year and a half ago, he said, is this
so much?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
You just want to know who's on your team?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
He also said there's no crying on the yacht, So
classic quote after classic quote from the head coach at Georgia.
But there's a lot of merit behind that, all right.
So that's one school of thought. Then the other school
of thought is the Big ten school of thought, and
that is we need to rethink the whole concept. Okay,
first off, we need to think about the academic calendar. Yes,
at last check, these dudes are still going to school.

(06:55):
They may not be there to play school, but they
are going to school. They're going to class. So we
want to align it with the academic calendar and Also,
there's this pesky new concept in the room about the
revenue sharing era and the salary cap calendar and that thing.
If you watch NFL, you've been used to worrying about this,
but in college football, that thing kind of restarts every July.

(07:17):
And so the Big ten's looking at it and saying, well,
if we're paying guys, and if we're sharing revenue with them,
and if you have a hard cap that you can't
go past, why don't we align the portal more closely
with that date? And why don't we also align the
portal dates with the academic calendar. And look, frankly, I

(07:39):
was talking to an ad earlier today about this. I
used to be hardcore January portal window, and I may
still be on that side of the fence, but it's
only like sixty forty because the further you dive into
the more Big Ten oriented approach, I think there's a
lot of merit to it. Anyway, regardless of what I
think or what you think about it. They disagree, and

(07:59):
what do we know about this sport? You're not getting
movement if these two disagree to that extreme of an
extent on something.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
So that's part one.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
But that's not the big one immunity, that's not the
one that probably concerns you the most. What probably concerns
you the most is, hey man, what about the playoff?

Speaker 2 (08:18):
What's going to happen with the playoff?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
And by that not this year but twenty twenty six,
And be honest, what we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
What's going to happen with the playoff?

Speaker 1 (08:26):
You know, there's so much energy that's been expended in
this conversation about how the Big ten and the SEC
get to decide the future of the sport that no
one's stopped to realize. What if they don't agree? Well, friends,
it seems that they don't agree. Again, you hate to

(08:46):
see this. You really do hate to see this, especially
those of us like me who love an expanded playoffs
so much. We hate to see this. So here's the
big issue. They both want to expand the playoff. Neither
of them agrees on how they want to expand the playoff. Now,
let me set it up for you, and then I'm
gonna show you something from Ross Dellinger earlier today. And

(09:08):
I really really let me wipe the smile from my
face because I'm not joking about this.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I really hope you're paying attention to it. I really do.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Before you decide which proposal, which format that you want
to cheer for and advocate for, man, I'm going to
use this platform as much as I can to warn
you about one of them. So anyway, the Big ten
wants the AQ model. That's the model where you've got
the four guaranteed for them and the four guarantee for
the SEC, the four four, two two one one whatever.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I am hardcore in favor of that.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
If we're expanding to fourteen or sixteen teams, I could
not be any more in favor of that as opposed
to what the SEC is trying to push, and that
is the five plus eleven model. The five plus eleven model,
in my humble opinion, would be a disaster. The five
plus eleven model is I've got the five spots for
the conference champs and then the other eleven spots are

(10:04):
just at large spots. Now, back in the day, given
the ideology I used to partake in, I would be
a hardcore proponent of the five plus eleven model.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
In fact, I would be a.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Proponent of take the top sixteen no matter what, because
back in the day, I told you any kind of
guarantee for anyone's stupid. But that was back when the
field was four or we thought playoff expansion meant only
six or eight. Once you get past that, if you're
going AQ, all you're doing is building a giant safety.
Or if you're going just at large spots, you're going

(10:39):
to giant safety. Now that's what you're building under the sport,
and you're just letting folks know. Go ahead and lose
a quarter of your games, it doesn't matter, you'll.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Be in anyway. The SEC wants one of them, the
Big Ten wants the other one.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Now I want to warn you because you remember it
wasn't too long ago. It was just just a few
weeks ago where everyone was up in arms because the
SEC and the Big Ten supposedly allegedly reportedly.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
They both wanted that AQ format. Remember that, Remember when
it felt like it was like the Axis of Evil
over here in college football and they're all for guaranteeing
themselves four spots a piece in the playoff and everyone
has been out of shape about it. Then the SEC.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Came out and said, whoa, we don't want that, We
actually want the five plus eleven model.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Did you notice how that happened.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
We talked about it on the show once, But were
you ever curious about why.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
One would want one and the other would want the other?

Speaker 1 (11:37):
With that in mind, as I tell you why I
think the five plus eleven would be a disaster, I
just want to remind you of something status quo is
not going to maintain itself. And I don't mean the
playoff format. Of course, the playoff format is going to change,
at least we think it is. We just don't know
what the format is going to look like. I'm not
even talking about the playoff format. As you decide which

(11:58):
of these formats you're a bigger proponent of, you need
to remember the selection process itself is about to change.
And if the SEC being in favor of the five
plus eleven model doesn't already make sense to you, I'm
about to make it crystal clear why the SEC wants
the five plus eleven. This is from Ross Dellinger Yahoo

(12:21):
Sports earlier today. I'm going to show you two things.
I want you to listen very closely.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Quote Clark. He's talking about Rich Clark and the.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
College Football Playoff staff have spent the last several weeks
studying ways to create data points to be used in
playoff selection that are more heavily weighted on a team's
strength of schedule, even using outside mathematicians and data analysts
to assist in the endeavor. I've reminded you of this
a few times. It kind of congruent to all this

(12:51):
debate happening. They've been working behind the scenes to do
something that in and of itself I'm a fan of,
and that is streamlining the way we define strength of
schedule and strength of record so that we get beyond
the you are what your record says you are nonsense.
That is mostly a lie in college football because of
how different strength of schedules are. Okay, so what Ross

(13:12):
Dellinger's telling you here is the big boys realize they
play tougher schedules. Therefore they're more likely to have losses
on their resume than a team that's pretty good that
runs through a G five schedule, and they're looking at
it and saying, we need to be able to better
define what a ten and two means here versus a
ten and two there when it comes to playoff selection.

(13:33):
And on its surface, I got no problem with that,
but here's what you need to understand that right there
is the gateway for the SEC in a five plus
eleven model, getting six, seven, eight teams, getting half the
field in the playoff in any given year. Because, as
you know, the SEC already plays a very difficult schedule
every year. They would move to nine game conference schedules

(13:57):
in this format, which just means they play another opponent
in the SEC. Now you think to yourself, well, that
would hurt them because that means that they add another
what eight losses.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
But here's what you need to understand at lossing and
to meet as much anymore when they are redefining how
strength of schedule and strength of record is calculated. Let's
continue Ross Dellinger Part two, College Football Playoff expansion to
sixteen may Hinge on the selection criteria change. What he's
saying is the se In fact, I'll just continue reading.

(14:33):
He tells you what he's saying, You don't need me,
he continues. The SEC's move towards an AQ heavy format
was steymied as pushback from even its coaches shifted the
league to a format with a bigger at large pool
if selection criteria is adjusted. Translation, the SEC coaches looked around.
The secads looked around and said, if we can redefine

(14:56):
how the playoff committee selects the teams, if we can
redefine how strength of schedule is calculated, if we can
crystallize it that the SEC gauntlet is tougher to go
through and that is mathematically baked in to playoff selection,
then we'd love the five plus eleven format cause we're
going to get our conference champion. But do you realize

(15:17):
how many more SEC teams would litter the top sixteen
in this in this format. I'm not even against the
recalibration of the strength of schedule metric per se. I'm
just warning you, if you were a proponent a five
plus eleven, you are advocating for a world where the
SEC is going to nominate the playoff field. Now, if

(15:38):
you want that, okay, I'm looking at it, and I'm saying,
first off, one conference is going to have a choke hold,
a death grip on the amount of teams they put
in the playoff field. But the second part is, not
only does that happen, it happens at the expense of
the regular season, because what kind of urgency do you
have on games anymore? What kind of urgency do you
have when you know, I mean s DC team's minimum

(16:01):
know they can afford to lose three games in that
format in a matter you remember how big a deal
your first loss used to feel like.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
The second loss doesn't even feel like that anymore.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
In this kind of format, you know you can still
afford to lose another one. So I can't overstate enough
how disastrous to me the five plus eleven model would
be for competitive balance, but also for the sanctity of
the regular season, which is really what I care about
first and foremost, Like I care about the regular season above.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
And beyond the playoff itself.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So any playoff model I advocate for is gonna be
one that crystallizes maximum value on the regular season, which is,
by ten miles, the one that the Big Ten is
trying to push right now, and that is the AQ format.
But understand something, like I pointed out the other day,
we did an entire video on this, so I'm not
going to re explain everything now, But for everyone who's

(16:59):
so caught up on how antithetical that is to the
spirit of competition, it's the conference that's guaranteed a certain
number of spots. The Big Ten is guaranteed for spots.
The SEC is guaranteed for spots. No team is guaranteed
anything until the very end. And by that I mean

(17:20):
if you're doing it properly the way that I advocated
for it to be structured, with that first Saturday in
December being that play in weekend. The number three team
in the SEC as late as the first week in
December doesn't even know if they're going.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
To make the playoff.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Only the top two teams in the conferences are guaranteed
seats at the playoff table. Outside of that, they got
to earn their way in in the first Saturday in December.
So you tell me in that five plus eleven model,
I use Tennessee as just a random example the other day.
If you're in the second week of November and Tennessee's
nine to one, they're probably a top five team at

(17:59):
that point. CC team that late in the year being
a one loss team is probably a top five, top
six caliber team. If we're in the five plus eleven model,
or if we're just taking straight seeding and taking the
top sixteen, Tennessee knows they can afford to lose two
games from that point on. They know they're only playing
for seeding in the AQ model. As much as people

(18:21):
are so up in arms, oh man, the SEC is guaranteed.
This guaranteed that. Well, there's an SEC team the first
week of November that's ranked in the top five, and
they're not guaranteed anything because if they lose a game
or two down the stretch, they're out of the conference
championship game, which means the best they can do is
be active on that first Saturday in December, play in

(18:44):
one of the play in games, and if.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
They win it, they're in. If they lose it, they're out.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
So the urgency, even for the best of the teams
in the best conferences, is maximized through the finish line
of the regular season. You can either have that or
you can have the SEC with seventeens. I mean, you
can have a three loss team bank fourteenth in the
country and they're in anyway. Why well, because we're just
we're just taking all the at largest. Great, it should

(19:11):
tell you something, should tell you something. How steadfastly, the
SEC all of a sudden decided to get behind this thing.
Once they realized whoa wait, wait, you mean we can
expand to sixteen, have a bolt majority of those spots
be at large spots, and we can change the language
of the playoff selection criteria.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Sign us up.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, I'd sing the same tune if I were an
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(19:55):
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we've opened several stores in northern markets. Got another, I
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(20:16):
it always excites me when you get a new Academy
opening up in a market because it's like the what
a Burger effect, It's like the in and out effect.
Whenever you find out one of those is opening in
your area, people embarrass themselves. I mean they snake their
cars around that thing and look at it, and you say,
is a two and a half hour wait really worth
it for Hamburger. To them, it is that's the principle

(20:38):
of the thing. Well, that's the academy effect, at least
in my perfect world. That's what it looks like when
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So you got a lot of the you got a
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But there's a lot of stuff you had no clue
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(21:02):
of shoes at home.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Oh we ain't got shoes at the academy. No big deal.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
And if you can't get their in person, it's a shame.
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Let's move along. I did ask earlier today, had to cough.
I asked earlier today for questions. And it's also it's

(21:26):
also it's just question season, all right, Bradley, here's a
good endpoint for you.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
It's big question season.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I do this every spring, and here we are at
spring and I'm asking what are the biggest questions in
college football in twenty twenty five, And we had a
really good submission that a lot of us have been
talking about. David from Athens, Georgia. He said, is the
era of truly dominant teams over? It may be, It

(21:54):
may be. It kind of depends on how you define dominant.
I do think you can do a little mental exercise here.
So for a long time we were defining this as
like the Nick Saban Alabama run, the vintage Saban Bama
teams where their second and sometimes even third strings had
guys that were future first rounders. You don't see that

(22:15):
in college football anymore. But they did a lot of
stuff that you didn't even see during their run elsewhere
they got beat, but usually when they got beat, it
was an upset, and it was a really huge deal
because no one was built like Alabama. So let's do
ourselves the favor of removing Alabama from the equation. So
pretend like Nick Saban and Alabama never happened outside of them,

(22:38):
what did we have. We had Dabbo and Clemson, they
built a monster in the mid twenty teens. We had
Kirby go to Georgia, he built a monster. The LSU
twenty nineteen team was insane. I would say the best
versions of those teams are even hard to touch today
from a roster construction standpoint. But it's more obtainedable, I guess,

(23:00):
than what Saban had built at Alabama, which was kind
of like a death star that twenty nineteen LSU team.
I don't think you're gonna see that kind of collection
of talent either, no matter what the no matter what
the construct of the sport is, it's tough to assemble
that kind of talent. But I think the the rankings
are going to fool you because the way that the
portal has changed college football now.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Is such that you know you could you could go.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
The next five years and guarantee me that fill in
the blank, Penn State, let's just say Penn State, or
let's use a team, let's say Georgia. You could guarantee
me Georgia is going to be ranked in the top
three every year for the next five years. And even then,
I don't know if they were dominant because they're just
competing against other teams in their current era. I don't
know how how Georgia over the next five years would

(23:46):
have compared to themselves in twenty twenty one, or compared
to LSU twenty nineteen or BAMA twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen.
My guess is they wouldn't compare all that well. Now,
the follow up is, you don't have to compare yourselves
to teams from seven or eight years ago. You're competing against,
you know, teams that are across from you any given year.
But I think it's pretty obvious. You could use Georgia

(24:08):
as an example. Look at what's happened to their twos.
You've seen this with a couple of other teams too.
What the Portal does it doesn't so much take your starters,
It takes your second layer. So at a place like Georgia,
if a starter gets hurt and you used to have
a backup that himself would have been starting elsewhere, you're

(24:29):
going from a one to a three, and that catches
up to you really really quick, especially at positions like
the offensive line. It catches up to you really quick.
So I think the Portal has really shaved the second
layer out for teams that would have been dominant and
would have been elite, and instead they're still good, but
they're a little bit top heavy, and if you start

(24:49):
shaving via injury or transfer portal departure, you can really
expose vulnerabilities on those rosters pretty quick. Does it continue,
I don't know with the new structure of the sport.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I think there's also probably a term that we need
to start getting used to, the developmental discount.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Effect the DDE.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
If we are in a world where in the revenue
share model, most teams have the same amount of money
to spend, look for the places that keep pumping talent
into the NFL. Look for the places that keep developing
at the highest level. Could be Georgia, could be Ohio State,
could be Alabama, could be Texas, could be whoever it is.

(25:34):
But the places that have a proven, established track record
of being able to develop. Those are the places where
a guy would be willing to play for two hundred
and ten grand over another place that's offering him two
seventy five because they know, yes, sixty five thousand extra
dollars I'd love to have in my pocket. But what
I'd really love to have is this place offering me

(25:55):
two ten develop me where down the road I'm pocketing
millions of extra dollars because they developed me and prepared
me for the NFL better than the program that was offering.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Me to seventy five would have.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
The developmental discount effect is something that could benefit the
places that it should benefit, which is the places where
they're developing football players. I got no problem with that.
If the sport's working that way, I got no problem
with it. I think dominant is also. I would define
it back in the days more to do with just
a stacking of talent on top of talent on top

(26:28):
of talent, And these days, I think about windows and
I think about retention. So Michigan, a couple of years ago,
the JJ McCarthy team, you got a bunch of guys
who they could have portaled out of there and probably
got more money. Someone could have gone in the draft.
They decided to come back for one more year together.
They won a title Ohio State Dido. Last year they
won a title. Penn State's trying this this year, Bama

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is trying this this year. And will those teams be dominant?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I'm pretty sure they'll each lose. I'm pretty sure they'll
each play some close games and depending on which way
the ball bounces and which way injury luck goes for them.
That's probably what determines whether they can win a title
or not. But are they just gonna Are they gonna
beat people by an average of eighteen and a half
points per game?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Probably not? So Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I think probably we're out of that era with dominant teams.
But then again, I don't know what. I don't know
what the revenue sharing era is gonna look like, and
I also don't know how forcible a lot of these
rules are. Let's move merrily along. I'm gonna I'm gonna
pop the top on a greape zva if you don't mind.
Greg from Omaha, Nebraska, Oh, this is this is a

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question I was looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Hold.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Please, it's been a long time since we brought grape
zva back onto the show because I thought we were out,
but we weren't. We found a treasure trove of grape downstairs.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Greg from Omaha said, I saw a dude get hit
by power lines in a tornado yesterday? How common is
that for you guys when you were chasing I am
so so glad. Greg asked this question because it jogged
my memory from just two years ago. I've never told
this story on the show. Jesse alleges that I told
him the story, but I have not told the story

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on air. So we're in Lewistown, Illinois, two years ago,
Greg and I am with friend of the program Frankie,
who hails from northwest Arkansas. That's as specific as I
want to be about his location. Got to respect privacy.
We are coming in behind an EF three tornado. In
the video that I'm showing you right here, you see

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this car off to the left.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That dude has just.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Been rolled in this tornado. We don't know what we're
coming up on, so we had to go check on him.
But we have come in right. We probably miss this
tornado by thirty forty five seconds.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So you see the fresh damage. You see the grain
silos that had just been chewed up by this tornado.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
And that dude right there was okay. He was in shock,
but he was okay. Car had just rolled in that tornado.
I'm pretty sure that guy uploaded his video of being
hit by that tornado on YouTube, and he's a lucky
guy anyway, So we checked and then we continued on
and this video is showing you video of us having
to drive around power lines. Greg, you just talked about this.

(29:14):
So we're having to drive around power lines. We are
in search and rescue mode here, So to give you
an idea, when we're chasing tornadoes, we're doing just that.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
We're chasing them. But once we're in the damage.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Path, if we know houses have been hit, you're done
chasing and you're trying to make sure people are okay,
because oftentimes we're there before medical personnel are there. It's
happened a lot, actually, So there are houses further down
this road, so we're having to get around. There's a
freight train off to the right by the way that
stayed on the tracks. I don't know if you can

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see that, but there are power lines down. We get
past these poles on the ground and we speed up
a little bit, probably thirty thirty five miles an hour,
and we're looking at homes that have been and partially
hit by this tornado, and we're trying to figure out
which ones do we need to go and check on
the people in. As we're doing that, I kid you not,

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we come up on a power line that's not all
the way down, it's about it's about windshield height and
it is tensioned stretched across the road, and we hit
that thing going thirty five miles an hour. We couldn't
even see it until it was right there, and it
hits the windshield, goes up over the windshield and rips
the camper top off the back of our truck. So clean,

(30:31):
we don't even know it got ripped off. We go
all the way down the road, we check on the houses.
No fatalities, by the way, thank goodness. I don't even
think we found any injuries. We go in a cul
de sac, we turn around, we're coming back, and right
before we get back in the truck, Frankie looks it
and says, where.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Is my campertop? We know we didn't get hit by
this tornado.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
We know we didn't even deal with any straight line
wind or like like rear flank down draft. We didn't
deal with any of that. We came in afterwards it
was pretty calm. So how did the camper top get
taken off? And then we realized, do we got like
JBL clotheslined by a power line? Did it rip it off?
Sure enough, it's just laying right in the middle of
the road. When we go back down. So to answer,

(31:15):
your question, Greg, Yes, yes, we do occasionally have about
with the power line, and I'm going to spoil the
ending for you for future reference. The power line wins.
No one beats the power lines. Electricity is just I
terrified of lightning, terrified of power lines, which makes you
wonder why I do that. But yeah, good question and

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the answer is yes, speaking of electricity. Oh, Jimmy. Jimmy's
next up, He said, Well, CEEJ. Carr's arm take the
Notre Dame passing attack to a level we haven't seen
in a while.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yes, it will. CJ.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Carr's arm absolutely will take Notre names passing attack to
a level that you hadn't seen in a while. This
will be Marcus Freeman's best passing at taxes he's been
at Notre Dame. That's what I think we're going to
see unfold here.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I went back over the three years he's been there,
and I looked at their passing yards per game, and
from twenty two to twenty three to twenty four they
went ninety eight forty ninth, and then there were one
hundred and first last year and went to the National
title game. Mind you, So it's not like they need
to light it up. They don't need to be top
ten here. But it's important to note they did not

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go to the portal, so they had CJ.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Carr. They trust CJ. Carr.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
He won the job, he knows the system. It's a
great environment for him to be in. By that, I
mean I trust his surroundings. I trusted his offensive coordinator,
Mike Denbrock. You know, for a guy who was one
hundred and first in pass yards per game last year,
let us not forget it wasn't too long ago that
he was the one pulling the triggers as Jaden Daniels

(32:57):
won the Heisman down at LSU. Yeah, just in case
anyone's forgotten who Marcus Freeman went and got as a zociat.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
They're probably gonna need to score a little bit more
this year too.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I don't think their defense will be quite to the
level that it was last year. So the other thing
to remember, much like the theme with Clumson, is this
wide receiver room will be as good as it's been
in quite a while. That's my expectation, at least for
Notre Dame. Great House is a good wide receiver there.
They got Faison Malachi Fields is a transfer from Virginia

(33:30):
that I think is going to be really good for them.
And the other thing about facing Notre Dame is they
play Miami early, got a new defensive coordinator there. They
play Texas A and M early defensive not an overhaul
happening there, But the A and M faltered badly defensively
down the stretch last year, and it's been a focal

(33:52):
point for them to try and get that right. But
I'm just looking at these teams and I'm thinking about defensively,
what the approach is likely to be when teams play
Notre Dame, knowing they got love in the backfield, the
approach is probably, if Notre Dame's gonna beat us, let's
make them beat us throwing the ball. I could see
a lot of folks thinking that the difference is this year.

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I could see Notre Dame doing it. I could see
Notre Dame winning games throwing the football. Especially the play
action game should be pretty lethal with multiple pass catching threats,
with a workhorse tailback, really a good tailback room, and
a guy in CJ.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Carr that you trust to pull the trigger.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yes, yes, I think about Mike Denbrock watching teams saying,
you know, figuratively, if you're gonna beat us, you're gonna
beat us throwing the ball, and Mike Denbrock being like, Okay,
well we'll beach throwing the ball.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah. I think Notre Dame will be that way this year.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
So if they are to fulfill on that national championship potential,
they better be that way this year. They're watching us
in corinth Mississippi Downe a fair amount of storm chasing
there as well. Mineral Wells, Texas, Manhattan Beach, California. That's
managed country out in Manhattan Beach. Who appreciate you guys
watching wherever you are. Our next question in a series

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of what will end up being dozens and dozens of
big questions, but our next question next question comes from
Zach Out in Little Rock, Arkansas. He said, on your
last show, you said twelve teams have a shot in
the SEC. Who are the biggest wild cards that could
actually win the conference?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Zack, did I say that that that doesn't sound like me.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I did say that there are twelve teams from the
FANDUL Odds perspective that are kind of in a group
that they could theoretically project to.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Win the secs. Yeah kind of said that.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
So you want wild cards that could win the SEC, Well,
first off, let's look at the odds, because I'm not
going to pick teams from like the top five, because
that defeats the purpose of being a wild card. I think, so,
you know, Texas, no Georgia, no Alabama, no LSU, no
Ole miss even like, let's take the those teams.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Let's remove them from the equation.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I think Oklahoma is the first team that comes to
mind because they're all the way down there at plus
twenty five hundred odds, and I legitimately think Oklahoma has
the team profile to compete for the SEC championship. You know,
the tough schedule is baked in here. It has to
be baked into the way you talk about them. It's
baked into their over underwin total, which is six and
a half. They face from the perspective of odds to

(36:29):
win the national championship. They face the number one, six, nine, ten, thirteen, seventeen, eighteen,
and twenty six teams in.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
The odds to win it all.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
That sounds fun, But if the quarterback position is B
plus or better for them this year, I trust them
at the skill spots I trust them.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
At running back.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I tentatively trust that the offensive line will be better.
I trust the defense. Oklahoma is a wildcard team because
of a lot of that stuff turns from question mark
to plus. They've got a really good talent roster. They
could win the league. Texas A and M is also
a team that I would insert here. I've got no
doubt about Texas A and M's identity. Texas A and

(37:14):
M is going to be a bowling ball of a
team this year. That's what they intend to be. The
ground game should be there. I think you've got an
improving quarterback there who can hit the deep ball. Hopefully
the intermediate passing game is upticking, but he himself is
a little bit of a mobile threat. The defense I
have to count on elevating, and the profile of that

(37:35):
team should be that power run game, guy that can
hit you over the top, play dominant play plus to
dominant defense.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
That should be A and M.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
If they are that, then that's a very very hard
kind of team to beat because they're not doing it
with backups. They're not doing it with guys that you
passed on. They've still got a pretty good talent roster there,
and I trust Mike Elico developmentally about as much as
anyone in this league.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
And they don't have a rough couple of games to
start off.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
With all due respect to UTSA, they don't play at
Notre Name until week three. They don't start conference playing
til week four, so they got some time to work
out the kinks. Auburn, ironically, who A and M plays
week four. I'm gonna do some ifs here that are
pretty irresponsible. If we go back to last year, if

(38:24):
Auburn's bounce of ballplays went their way, if the turnover
rate was a little bit different, I don't say luck,
because I think that was more than just bad luck
for Auburn, then they would have been a borderline playoff.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Contending team last year.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
But as we know, those things did not go Auburn's
way and it was a very bad year last year.
Recruiting the past three cycles, those classes have been eighteenth, tenth,
and seventh, so there is really good talent baked into
this roster. They have a top ten portal class. It
all comes down to Jackson Arnold. It all comes down
to whether last year was just an example of oil

(39:01):
and water fit and he comes in and Hugh Freeze
reminds everyone why he was an Elite eleven MVP, why
he was a former five star quarterback. And if that's
the case, then if Auburn's good and Auburn's in the
running for the SEC, they're the kind of team that
can get there and win it. Plus that is quintessential Auburn.

(39:21):
Put them on the hot seat be picking him to
win seven seven and a half games. That's when they win.
Auburn doesn't win when they got high expectations. They win
when they got no expectations. So that's kind of this
year for them. I would put South Carolina in there.
I would put Missouri in there, but the question was
teams that are dark horses, kind of wild cards to

(39:42):
win the league. And I could be wrong here, and
I give those guys over at South Carolina full permission
to use this internally. I don't want this in any
hype video that goes public. But I don't know if
South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Can win the SEC.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
At their best. Don't know if they can win the SEC.
I don't know if they backfilled it wide receiver good enough.
I don't know what the running back position is there
because I don't know the situation with whether guys are
going to be eligible or not. They lost a lot
of good defensive talent too, so the same thing with Missouri.
The schedule's favorable if Bopra Beulah pans out at at quarterback.

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I really loved the addition they made at running back.
I always love Eli Drinkwitz's teams to be very sneaky good.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Are they good enough to win the league?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I didn't put him in that classification, So that's why
I didn't include those as wildcard teams.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I just wanted to be respectful.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Jesse, is are you actually typing something in the prompter
right now?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Oh? I did?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
No, I didn't, Yeah, I did, Okay, okay. I thought
we had breaking news, like I thought we were. I
thought we had breaking news out of the Middle East
that Jesse was typing to the prompter.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
We don't.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
The breaking news was I forgot about Florida. That's that's
the breaking news. So yes, Florida is also in. It's
also schedule related. I think Florida would be in the
top five odds to win the SEC if their schedule
was a little bit lighter.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I am confident, highly confident.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
If Florida had Missouri schedule, they would be in the
top five odds to win the SEC, and they wouldn't
even be in this segment. Wide receiver plus a running game,
plus offensive line plus, there's a lot to like about them.
DJ Lagway I had in preseason ranked as my number
one quarterback in the SEC, so I obviously think that
position is a plus. I think the defensive personnel is

(41:31):
really good. They've got twenty underclassmen who played two hundred
plus snaps last year, so they got a lot of
returning guys who are experienced, and they surged at the
right time at the end of the season last year.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
They saved Napier's job.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Look, I don't think of them as a wildcard so
much like I'm counting on Florida.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think they're going to be a really good team
this year.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
It's just that the schedule is such that they're over
under win total seven and a half, so I guess
they technically classify as a wildcard. I got a coffee
cup here, but it's just hot water. You can chug
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
It's luke warm.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
At this point, we have partaken in some highly, highly
controversial activities on the show. As of late and it's
just been ranking quarterbacks. We did it with the SEC
and the Big Ten already and that didn't get us
in enough trouble. So I decided, at the request of

(42:28):
one of you, to continue this madness and we were
going to a new conference tonight. So the ACC quarterback
rankings as I see them, based on my expectations for
this upcoming year, are as follows.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Cave club Nick.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I've got number one in this league. That is the
obviously the quarterback at Clemson. Big jump last year, so
we saw from year one to year two he was
a nineteen touchdown to nine interception guy. He went to
thirty six and six last year. He's a pretty good
runner too. I think probably the most underrated part of
his game is that I thought he played his best
game against Texas in the playoff last year, so he

(43:06):
finished strong. Their wide receiver group, which was sorely missing
at Clemson for a little while in the twenty twenties,
is very good this year. And it's not just carried
by one guy. And you've got a guy here in
the biggest year of his career now multiple years in
the system, multiple years under the same coordinator. I think
k Klubnick is my number one guy at that position

(43:29):
in this league. He is plus nine hundred to win
the Heisman, third best odds to win the Heisman this
year as well.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
My number two quarterback in the.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
ACC this year based on expectation is Carson Beck at Miami,
which is not a sentence that I expected to come
out of my mouth this time last year. In fact,
if we go back to this time last year, this
was the guy. He was the preseason favorite to win
the Heisman. He was the preseason favorite to be a
top ten draft pick. He wasn't even supposed to be

(43:57):
playing college football anymore. Instead, they were very up and
down at Georgia offensively last year. Now, candidly, I think
a lot of the fault, a lot of the blame,
a lot of the lack of a better term, stink
of Georgia's offense last year is being carried by Carson Beck,
and they couldn't run the ball last year, and that

(44:18):
offensive line was very inconsistent last year, and that didn't.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Have a whole lot to do with him, but yet
he was.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Inconsistent and they were inconsistent because of that. Anyway, he's
at Miami now.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Now if it.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Really is such that Carson Beck's game has just fallen off,
or he was overrated, Well we'll know this year. Or
maybe his injury isn't fully healed. That could also be
the case. I can tell you what Miami thinks. Miami
thinks they got themselves a really good player here.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Miami.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Also, I don't know that they're wrong. Kind of low
key loves the headspace that he's in right now. And
this is going to be viewed as a wild card nationally,
but I'm telling you internally at Miami, they look at
some of the off the field stuff that's happened in
his personal life, and while it may be viewed as
a negative, what it has provided is clarity for him

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all the more time to focus on football. There are
a lot of folks who doubt him. There are a
lot of people who take all the blame from last
year's shortcomings at Georgia and they toss it on his shoulders.
Why because it's easy to do, and I think the
guy's got a lot to prove. There's certainly no comparison
to cam Ward here, except for cam Ward came to

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Miami last year with a lot to prove. Well, Carson
Beck comes to Miami with a lot to prove and
good talent now a good talent profile, playing under perhaps
the best coordinator in the league in Shannon Dawson, and
also in a situation where you got good players around you.
Unproven but good players around you. I think Carson Bett's

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gonna have a good year, so I would put him
number two. I would put Haines King at Georgia Tech
as my number three quarterback in terms of expectation in
league this year. There's not a lot of mystery about him.
You know Haines King's game. He feels like he's been
around nineteen years, So what's won more. Not gonna put
up the passing numbers that the previous two guys are,

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but he makes up for it. Number one and just
competitive spirit. Number two.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
He's a very very good runner. He's a very plus runner.
Go back and.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Watch his effort against Georgia last year they played that
multi overtime game. I remember coming away from that game
thinking to myself, it is such a shame that kid
lost that game or he had to be on the
losing side of that game. He is a high percentage
Guy's third and fbs and completion percentage last year. He

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ran for ninety plus yards in three of their last
four regular season games. And what I love is the
way his competitive character sort of blends with the overall
style of team that Brent Key has. I think Hayes
King's gonna have a good year this year. I think,
partly because of him, they will be a surprise contender
in the conference title race.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I've got him there.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
It will not surprise me if and when Georgia Tech's there,
but I think it will surprise some people. Number four
and I'm doing ret lastly a huge favor by waiting
until number four to list Kevin Jennings. But I'm putting
Kevin Jennings number four in my ACC quarterback rankings. Three
thousand yards last year, sixty five percent completion percentage. It's

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there were some big moments last year, namely the playoff
game where there were interceptions. They were an issue against
Penn State. That Duke game last year. It's a miracle
they won that game, but he had multiple I iNTS
in that game as well. Those were some of the downsides.
But it's his team now. This time last year, we
thought it was Preston Stone's team. So it's his team. Now,

(47:47):
I think that means a lot. I think the confidence
of having done it last year means a lot. I
think this is a guy also that although he got
a lot of accolades last year, with the way it ended,
he still has a lot to prove. Lost in that
ACC championship game. There's a lot still to prove here,
and so I'd put him at number four, number five.
We debated for a little while, but I'm telling you

(48:10):
who it is. For me, Miller Moss is my number
five ACC quarterback. In terms of expectation, I blindly trust
Jeff brom with quarterbacks. I also think that, much like
Carson Beck, a lot of the shortcomings last year at
USC were just disproportionately thrown on his plate. And I

(48:30):
think about the lack of protection he had sometimes, the
lack of a ground game he had, the fact that
they had to score forty every game because defense wasn't
all that great.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
There were flashes last year that I don't forget.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Like I don't forget some of the plays he made
against Michigan on the road. I don't forget the way
he played against LSU in Week one.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Just go back and watch that game.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
That is in him, and so if it's in him
and it just needs to be pulled out more consistently,
I trust Jeff brom to do that. He threw for
two eighty or more half a dozen times last year.
And let's just remember if this time last year I
told you Tyler Schuck was about to go in the
top forty or so of the NFL draft, you would

(49:13):
have laughed me out of the building.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
But yet he did. It was Jeff.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Brahm who pulled that out of him. You got to
have a willing player who's capable. But I think Miller
Moss is in a really good position. Nineteenth best odds
to win the Heisman. I'm not gonna go as far
as to say I bet it, but I will say
I won't laugh at you if you bet it.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So there you go. Top five acc quarterbacks. Zero debate, whatsoever?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Not about that? About the thing I'm gonna say next,
zero debate. Quick Trip is the place to be. I
had a proud moment the other day. There's nothing like
being recognized in public adequick trip. And it happened the
other day, and it's just it's not in the ad
copy because as you see, quick Trip gives me no
ad copy.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
There's a piece of paper.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
It's as Quick Trip that's the ad copy, And so
it's just up to me.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
What do I tell you?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Do I tell you that they've got the cleanest locations
this side of Mars?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Perhaps?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Do I tell you that the colebrew on tap slaps
every time?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Do I tell you that it's a very friendly staff,
great food selections, of course, all the convenience store snacks
and goodies you could ever hope to get your hands on.
Do I tell you they fueled our fall tour last
year and very likely will again this year? Do I
tell you they fueled us on the road to go
see various head coaches across multiple campi which is the

(50:37):
plural of campus this past spring. I could tell you
any of that and it would all be true. We
appreciate Quick Trip for being on board. What a partner
they've been, What a commitment. It was around this time
last year when we committed a Quick Trip. We should
probably play that video again sometimes for our new viewers,
because that was a you want to talk about National

(50:57):
Signing Day drama, recruiting wars.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
This time last year, we're all the rage we had
a question.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I normally wouldn't answer questions like this, but you know what,
I took it as a personal challenge.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
So let me take a little sip of the water here.
For some reason, the.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Voice has been weakness. I don't know what's happening, and
we'll make it though. Jeff from up in Seattle, he
hit me. He said, who would be on your preseason
All Transfer team on offense? In terms of who will
have the biggest impact? These questions normally take too much work, Jeff.
I normally just like to add lib the answer really quick,
but I took it upon myself to fill my team

(51:42):
out here. So at quarterback on the All Transfer Impact Team,
John Matteir at Oklahoma is certainly here. Oklahoma was one
hundred and nineteenth in pass yards per game last year,
they were ninety seventh and points per game offensively. Yes, yes,
we need help, John, We need help, and they'll get it.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
They'll get it from him.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I also was just talking about Carson Beck a little
while ago, so I'm not going to repeat everything I said,
but backfilling cam Ward. If the help is good there,
if he's focused, and I think he will be. I
think these answers will be yes. I think John Mattier,
Carson Beck, Darien Mensa at Duke I could have gone
him as well, but those would be the quarterbacks at

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wide receiver Casey Concepcion at Texas A and M.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
By way of NC.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
State, he had or they had at A and M
five hundred and seventy four yards from the wide receiver
one spot last year.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
He could double that. He has the ability to double that. Now.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Their style of offense this year may be such that
they don't have a thousand yard receiver, but if they do,
he's capable of being that. I also think at Georgia,
Zachariah Branch coming there from USC extremely fast player if
they use him right all right now, I can get
a lot of pushback on Georgia mess boards for this

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because they're not the biggest fans of Mike Bobo. But
if Mike Bobo uses him right, then he's touching the
ball a lot every game, and that speed is a
difference maker every game, and special teams also is a
place I could see him shining. So I think Zachariah
Branch at Georgia is a difference maker if you used
the right way I think Deuce Robinson at Florida State,

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by way of USC is a difference maker if used
the right way. I think Florida State's losing either their
their top wide receiver or their top two wide receivers.
It was a bad team last year, so I'm not
sure losing guys from that team is necessarily a terrible thing.
But this cat is six six two twenty jesse. Wasn't
he the guy when we went out to Elite eleven
a few years ago and they had wide receivers just

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catching balls from the quarterbacks. Deuce Robinson was on the
field and you got the best quarterbacks in the country
out there.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I think Bryce Young.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Was out there, like a lot of college guys were
out there, and I'm looking over at this wide receivers
and who is that us Deuce Robinson here to catch balls.
I think he'll do that a lot at Florida State
this year as well. All Right, the running back position
on my All Transfer Impact team a mad hardy at Missouri.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Learn the name.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
People I know goodwell, you didn't watch a lot of
ULM last year, but this cat ran for through thirteen
hundred yards thirteen touchdowns as a true freshman and Eli
Drinkwitz goes, yes please, and he comes to Missouri. They
got Bo Pribula at the quarterback position. This guy thirteen
hundred yards last year. I will bet he tops that

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this year. I think he's going to have a really,
really big year. Obviously, I think that if I say that,
good offensive line around him, a good quarterback that can
run as well, so he's not gonna have to do
it all by himself. So I'm gonna go a mod hardy.
I would also go Justice Haynes at Michigan. At Alabama.
I thought this dude would break out last year. He's okay,

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but I think he's better than just an okay talent.
And I don't know what it was about Bama's ground
game last year that was sort of dead on arrival,
but Justice Haynes feels perfectly cut out to be Michigan's
work horse tailback and they will lean on him.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I think he's able to be leaned on. I think
he's a guy who if used the right way.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I don't know what that really means, because it's not
like they didn't hand him the ball last year, but
I just think there's a lot more in the tank
than we've seen from him, and I think Michigan will
get it out of him, So I'll put Justice Haynes
there at tailback tight end. Jack injuries at Texas, I
could have gone with here, Okay, I want to have
him mentioned because he's not my guy. I'm gonna go

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with I'm gonna go with Max Claire, who's going from
Purdue to Ohio State six four to two twenty. He
had six hundred and eighty five receiving yards last year.
That was more than Produce's top two receivers combined. Granted,
there wasn't a lot of bright spot on the Purdue
Christmas tree last year, but he was the star on
top of a dead tree of what vivid metaphorical speaking,

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by the way, more catches and yards than produced top
two receivers combined.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Anyway, he don't have to worry about that.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
On Ohio State's team, there is no shortage of wide
receiver talent to throw the ball to, and I think
he'll just blend right in number one ranked tight end
in the portal.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
No shock, Ohio State was.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Able to go get him at the offensive line spots.
I put three names down here. Xavier Chaplin went from
Virginia Tech to Auburn six seven, three point thirty eight.
Just looks like a monster. He's on a lot of
mock drafts already. He'll be a plug and play guy.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I think he'll be a big time offensive lineman. But
at Oregon.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I mean, Oregon went and got Isaiah World from Nevada
at o tach at ot. They went and got em
Manuel pregnant interior guy from USC. Both of those better workout.
They expect both of them to work out. Those guys
you're looking at two names if you're looking for Washington
on YouTube. Those guys will decide part of the Big
Ten championship race. They'll decide part of the playoff picture.

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Because those guys don't pan out, Oregon's losing some games
this year.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Those guys have to work out, and I think they will.
I don't. I don't think they were just blindly rolling
the dice when they went and got those guys.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
All right, let's move on. Got a couple of more
things we need to get to. Of course, of course,
as you Bradley punching those punching those buttons pretty quick
in there. It's bold prediction season. What do you believe
not internally. What do you believe enough to be willing
to say it, you know, out loud for the world
to see. What are you willing to predict that we

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could come back to and castigate you for, and make
fun of you for, and drag you for. In December,
James pattis part of the weather community here in the
Tennessee in.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
The greater Nashville area.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
He also watches football, and he said Tennessee will finish
in the bottom four of the SEC this year. Well,
that's hateful. Now, that is hate speech, and I think
it's pretty bold. I think this is a nine point
twenty five on the boldness scale. Now understand, I think
the markets are too high on Tennessee, like I think
fanduels too high on Tennessee. I already bet the under
at eight and a half wins, and if they surprised me,

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they surprised me. I just think there were already a
lot of question marks on that team. Then you had
the quarterback thing happen. I think it's a little bit
of a rebuild year for Tennessee. So I'm already a
little bit down on them, but I'm not this down
on them. Arkansas and Mississippi State and Vandy and Kentucky
like they're in this league. So I don't think Tennessee's

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going bottom four. It's not that bad. Certainly it's not
that bad. So I'm gonna go nine point twenty five
on the boldness scale. There next up, very very interesting
Wayne from Erdenheim, Pennsylvania. Good people there, I'm told he
says Penn State rushes for over two hundred yards against

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Ohio State in Columbus.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I put this in an eight and a half. This
actually wouldn't shock me.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
There's a lot of retooling that Ohio State has to
do defensively this year. Anyway, Penn State returns four offensive linemen.
They got two thousand yard caliber backs. But here's the thing.
They did this last year against Notre Dame and lost.
They did this last year against Oregon and lost. Penn
State could run for over two hundred against Ohio State

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and lose. Not that that would make the prediction any
less accurate, but I'm just saying this sounds like it
correlates with a Penn State win. Maybe it doesn't hurt
to run for over two hundred, but it doesn't guarantee
a win. I'm gonna make this an eight point five.
They averaged two hundred and two rush yards per game
last year. The defensive coordinator that was at Ohio State

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is at Penn State now, So I went and looked
last four games Penn States had against Ohio State rush
yards per game one twenty forty nine one to eleven
thirty three. So they would have to do much better
than that obviously. But this is not crazy. It's not

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eight and a half. I think it's about right. It's
not crazy, but it also didn't guarantee anything. Next up,
This is from Jeru, probably the right pronunciation in Greer,
South Carolina. I know I did nail that immunity. ACC
runner up will not make the playoff this year. This
almost happened last year. If SMU would have beaten Clemson

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in the ACC title game, this would.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Have happened last year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
The only team at fan duel right now that has
minus odds that is technically like quote unquote favored to
make the playoff is Clemson. So right now, if you
just strictly looked at the odds market, it's very seeable.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
It's very very possible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
That the ACC could be a one bid league and
you got a small pool of teams. Like in the SEC,
you got like a dozen teams that can make the
playoff or that you could see making the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
In the ACC, who is it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
It's Clemson, It's Miami, SMU, Georgia Tech, Louisville.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
After that, there's a big drop off.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
So I'm not saying that, you know, like Virginia Tech
couldn't make it, but it would be a big surprise
if they did. I'm gonna put an eight point seventy
five on this. A lot of it has to do
with how.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
The Big Twelve looks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
So if the Big Twelve is a one bid league,
then obviously the ACC's probably sending more than one team. Lastly,
here speaking of the Big Twelve, Kurt from Rexburg, Idaho
hit me. He said, three Big Twelve teams make the playoffs,
and none of them will be Arizona State. I just

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want to know how in the world this happens. This
is a ten. If you just told me two Big
Twelve teams make it and neither of them are Arizona State,
this would be bold. But three of them, in fact,
just three teams from the Big Twelve making it is
already a nine. Point five on the boldness scale, so
this would be a ten. The best way I figure
this is you have to have like a group Kansas State,

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BYU Texas Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, a combination of those.
You probably need three teams that are eleven win teams
and you know, two of them go on and play
in the Big Twelve title game or whatnot. But you
probably need that to happen, and a couple of them
need to have beaten Arizona State in the process. I
just I think Arizona State is either one of or

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the best team in that conference preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
You know who knows what injury does, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
You can't forecast that, So maybe that has to happen
like morbidly, maybe Arizona State injury luck has to be
bad for this to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
That's a ten on the boldness scale. You can find
all those odds at FanDuel. FanDuel is the exclusive odds
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Auburn in Week one Friday night game, no less, just

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a weird spot in week one. You can bet those games. Now.

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You can go bet Ohio State Michigan now if you
want to. You can bet Texas to not make the
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like doing these kinds of questions, but every now and

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then I just say, all right, throw it in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
So we're gonna we're gonna do one the night. John
for Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I had a big time argument with my friend about
this hypothetical. So you need to break the time who
wins a national title first, Dan Lanning or Kaylen de
boor My answer is Kaylen de Bor. I think he'll
win a national championship first. And then you did you
expect me to be so quick with that? Well, maybe
you should be surprised because normally I beat around the

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bush and I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
You know, I hedge my bet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
There's no way of knowing this. Obviously, there's not a
whole lot of skill in this. I'll tell you what
it comes down to for me. I trust Dan Lanning
to load his roster every year. I trust Kaylen de
Bor to load his roster every year. I trust Dan
Lanning to be in the Big ten championship race, in
the playoff picture every year. I trust Debor to be
in the SEC championship picture and the playoff race every year.

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There's a lot that I trust both of them to
be doing in terms of checking these boxes. They're both
gonna be players, They're both gonna be in there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Either one of them could win it this year.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
So if there's a tiebreaker that I need, it's gonna
be head to head.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Have I ever seen him coach against each other? I
have de Bor's had Landing's number, and in the interest
of knowing Dan Lanning like I do. Very unmotivated, low
energy guy that Dan Lanning is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
I think he needs this, So I'm gonna publicly doubt
him on the show tonight. I'm gonna say Debor wins
a title before him, and then after the show I'm
probably gonna clip this and text it to him, and
I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
You're welcome, have a good summer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
But no, Lie, if you think about this stat here,
you want a paper popper of a stat. Not only
is Dubor three and oh against Landing, he is six
and oh against Landing. Steve sarkisian and Kirby Smart. Now
he does not have Clark Lee's number, but he does
have Kirby's number and Sark's number and Dan Lanning's numbers.

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So don't I don't think Vandy's gonna make the playoff,
So Bama probably don't have to worry about running in
Clark Lee. Brenton Venables tough time beating Brent Venables last year,
but he's beaten Landing three times. And I remember two
years ago, You remember how foolish I was made to look.
I wasn't alone, But remember two years ago I picked
against Washington like five different times, and they just kept

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winning and kept winning and kept winning. And I remember
I went up there when they played Oregon at home. Now,
it was a classic game. It was one of the
games of the year. That's when I learned how loud
Husky Stadium was, by the way, and they beat Oregon,
but they beat him close, just right there at the buzzer,
they beat him close. You remember what you said, You
remember what I said. I don't know if you agreed,

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but I said it. I said, Well, all Organs got
to do is get to the PAC twelve title game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Rest in peace, old friend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
All Organs got to do is get to the PAC
twelve title game, cause that'll be on a neutral field.
And I still think they're better than Washington, and didn't remember.
The entire lead up was I was still putting Oregon
above Washington, and the JP Vegas kept telling you, if
they play again, Oregon's gonna be favored by more than
a touchdown. Well, they played again, and Oregon was favored

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by I think nine points by the time the game
kicked off. And it didn't matter then either. And not
only did Washington beat them, they outrushed them, which is
a huge surprise to everyone but Washington. So given that,
I think they're both studs, I think they're both legit.
The Boor's got the edge until further notice because he's

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out coach Landing, So until further notice on the seesaw
of prediction, I'm going slightlyan Caitlin de Boor because he's
earned it, because, unlike me two years ago, I have
to honor his on the field accomplishments.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
That was a nightmare for me. That was a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I remember we were staying at the hotel for the
National title game that a lot of Washington fans were,
and I mean it had just been like a running
hate fest all year. Every time I pick Washington and
to lose and then win, I'd hear about it from
their fans and some of their players.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I was at media day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Some of their players walked up to me, appreciate you
doubting us all year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
They were nice about it. That was the worst part.
I wanted them to trash me, but they were nice
about it. But then I was in the hotel working
out around a bunch of Washington fans before the game
against Michigan, and I had picked Michigan, and I remember thinking,
if you guys win this game, I am done. I
will be banned from the state of Washington. I cannot
show my face in Seattle again. And it's a great city. Man,

(01:09:32):
I actually want to go up there again. But finally
got one. At the end, picked Michigan to win. Michigan
finally won. Curses broken. I don't know how in the
world we got to talking about that in relation to
Bama Oregon. But yeah, I'm going to go slightly in
Kaylin de Bor. I hope that helps with your argument
with your friends. That's all we have for time, A nice, tidy,

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sixty eight minute show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Good to be back. I appreciate everyone.

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It's been a little weird schedule, still a weird schedule,
but it's the summertime, so you take what you can
get this time of year. But appreciate you tuning in
tonight for producer Jesse director Bradley.

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