Week 13 Upset Alerts + CFP Chaos Scenarios & Lane Kiffin Latest

Week 13 College Football upset alerts are here as Josh Pate discusses games like Pitt vs Georgia Tech, Arkansas vs Texas, BYU vs Cincinnati, and more. What is the latest on the Lane Kiffin sweepstakes as Florida, LSU, and Ole Miss wait for an answer? What do we make of the playoff rankings from the CFP Committee and how badly they were delivered? Will we see CFP chaos in the final 2 weeks of the College Football season? Cole Cubelic joins the show to discuss these things and more. All that plus early best bets on the Ramen Noodle Express.

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Week thirteen upset alerts on the show tonight got a
lot of college football playoff chaos scenarios to go over.

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Also talked the other night you and I about the
committee rankings, and at the time we recorded the video,
Hunter your check in the playoff committee chair like he
had done the five minute hit with Rhys Davis, but
he hadn't done like the Pool reporter interview session, where
far more egregious statements were made. So I've got some
things to say about the playoff committee tonight. We got

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Cole Kubrick on the show. I'm gonna do a lot
of good stuff with him tonight, just about what could
happen down the road. How should you run a coaching search?
By the way, what are the least of the evils
of running a coaching search? Right now? So we got
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and talk about what we lead every Thursday show with
upset alerts. Week thirteen, and in a rare move, I'm
going eight deep on upset alerts tonight. The upset alert

(02:46):
rules around here are not that if I'm talking about
the game, I'm picking the upset and mainly a rookie
mistake when people think that, no, we're gonna pop the
paper here. I'm just gonna give you the game. I'm
gonna give you some thoughts on it, and I'm gonna
let you know scale of one to ten. How concerned
am I for the favorite? So? First up, Miami is
going to Virginia Tech. We've had this game on our
radar for months. We've known that Miami the last two

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weeks of the regular season has to play on the
road consecutive games in cold weather environments. What we didn't
know in July is what the weather would be. Well
sixty two at kickoff in Blacksburg, Virginia in mid to
late November. We'll take it now. There could be some
showers early, but Miami is not going to play a

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single game all year where there's not rain. Apparently, great
year to be the offensive coordinator down their Congrats to
Shannon Dawson. You're gonna play like forty seven different rain games.
Miami's got to go scort starth here. They're favored by
seventeen and a half. They got to go scort starth.
They need style points. I hate that that exists, but
it does exist right now for them, and they need
to score in bunches and let the chips fall where

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they may. It's a terrible matchup for Virginia Tech. So
Miami should roll here, and believe me, I say the
words should in all caps. Virginia Tech's one hundred and
fifteenth than turnover margin, Miami is twelve. Now, that didn't
matter last week when Ou looked like that against Alabama,
but then they turned the tables entirely. So you can't
be letting Virginia Tech do that to you. Virginia Tech

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cannot throw the ball. They got to run it to win.
Miami's top five in run defense. I'm gonna put a
four on this one. It's tough for me to see it.
Like Miami's got some second life energy about themselves right now,
so don't embarrass me. Next up, Kentucky at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt
on the fringes of playoff contention. Right now, the line

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is Vandy minus eight and a half Kentucky. Dare I
say a motivated Mark Stoops is red hot right now?
Kentucky's won three consecutive that includes a trip to Auburn
that includes a game against Florida. Cutter Bowlly can potentially
make some throws here? Do need to throw for four
fifty and five? Just needs to do enough? What kind

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of focus do I have at Vanderbilt? Diego Pavia who
knows where he's been? According to Instagram stories everywhere butt Nashville.
The last couple of weeks, Clark Lee's had his name
involved in some coaching searches. Now, I gotta tell you
I think Vandy will be dialed in, but I have
to mention that those factors exist at least, I mean
playoff hopes on the line here for the first time

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ever for Vanderbilt. Like, yes, they need to be dialed in.
Here's what's important for you to know. Huge schedule dynamic
advantage here for Vanderbilt. Vandy is coming off a bye.
This will be Kentucky's sixth consecutive game, and they look
like it on the injury report. They are badly banged up.
So I'm gonna put a six and a half on this.

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Vandy plays these tight games, but the schedule dynamic plus
the tightrope walk that is playoff contention in November, leads
me to believe they'll get the job done. But it
is a hot Kentucky team. Next up, Michigan is at Maryland.

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Michigan's favored by thirteen and a half. They are off
a comeback win against Northwestern. Turnovers were a huge issue
for him. They won the game anyway. Got a pair
of freshman quarterbacks going at it here. Justice Haynes is
out from Michigan. Jordan Marshall they're banged up. You know,
it's the biggest look ahead spot the sport has to

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offer because they've got Ohio State coming in there. But
the difference is this isn't like Auburn, where there're seasons
down the drain and they've got a rivalry game coming
up which is going to be their super Bowl. Michigan
could still make the playoff. Michigans could still win the
Big Ten, and this is a conference game, so theoretically
they should be dialed in the Here's what could happen.

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Malik Washington, quarterback there at Maryland, could just have his
career day. That could happen. You could have a distracted Michigan.
They could get good turnover luck. Yes, these things could happen.
And for those reasons, I'm going to put a five
on this game. Michigan has won games without covering all year.
We've made money on it. I think Michigan's going to

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cover in this game. I'm not betting a dime on it.
I just have a sneaking suspicion they'll go in there,
they'll get a good enough win, and then all eyes
on Ann Arbor next Saturday at high noon. Current line
for Ohio State and Michigan at FanDuel Buckey's minus twelve
and a half. Next up, Kansas State goes to Utah.
What happened? Where did Kansas State go? What are they?

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I'm going to tell you what. They are the most
average team on the planet. They're a seventeen and a
half point dog at Utah. Here's how average they are.
I've got their defensive numbers in front of me right now.
Kansas State total defense seventy eighth in the country, past
defense seventy seventh in the country, rushing defense seventy seventh
in the country, points per game seventy sixth in the country.

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To a little below average mathematically there, I got this
Utah run game at home. They've still got a lot
of playoff hopes. Kansas State, I don't think can match that.
It's a must win spot. Utah can take still a
little bit now they can see it. You could argue
whether they should be ranked as high as they are,

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but they are ranked as high as they are. I'm
gonna put a two and a half on the upset
Alert concern meter here. Crazier things have happened, but I
don't see it. Next up, staying in the Big twelve
Brigham Young two and a half point favorite at Cincinnati
night game in Sincy. I need to explain the spread
to you. A lot of folks are gonna look at

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the spread and say, oh, man, BYU only a two
and a half point favorite. It's a huge credit to
BYU cause a few weeks ago, if you looked at
the future, if you looked at the futures market, they
projected as a point spread underdog in this game. So
Brigham Young kind of played their best ball. Now they
lost the game at Texas Tech. If you look at

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that group of games, they beat Utah, they beat Iowa State.
I think they had their best game of the year
last week against TCU. Just smoked TCU. The line was
three and a half on that game they won four
be four to thirteen. Because of that, they're actually a
short favorite here. Since he's lost two straight and you

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gotta this late in the season. You got to ask yourself,
did they mail it in or could we have one
more bounce back effort here? Bring him Young? The edge
in turnover margin, they got the edge in time of
possession or a huge time of possession team. I know
some of our friends Parker Fleming chief among them. Love
turnover or love a time of possession. That's sarcastic. They
really do love turnover margin, but bring them young, the

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less penalized team. Those factors matter here, and I actually
ended up picking the Cougars to win the game. I
think it's the first time I've called him Cougar's all year.
But I got to put a seven on it. I
mean point spreads under a field goal, so I got
to put a seven on it. I think it's a
testament to my newfound loyalty to BYU that I only
put a seven on it. Next up, another low spread here, Tennessee,

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the team that has not won a game in Gainesville
since I was in high school, is a three and
a half point favorite two thousand and three. That's the
last time Tennessee one in the swamp. They play down
there every other year, just sow everyone out there who
is not familiar with the yearly rivalries, and the SEC understands.

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This isn't that thing where you play someone and then
don't see him again for a decade. So some of
those some of those like anecdotal stats are misleading. No,
they've played down there every other year since O three,
they hadn't won down there. It's kind of a self
contained game. I use that term sometimes, and you'll see
what I mean. If you turn this game on on Saturday,
you'll see Florida's got an interim coach, there's nothing to

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play for, or so you think, and their season has
long since been shot. And Tennessee also they have their
playoff hopes down the drain. You'll turn this game on
and it'll be red hot. Crowd will be sold out,
it'll be into it, and you'll watch it and you'll say,
it's like nothing else matters, but this game. You're describing
what makes college football unique, the impact and the value

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on regular season games. Believe it or not. Contrary to
what the casuals tell you, there can be meaning on
games that don't have playoff implications tied to them. This
will be one of them. You'll turn on this game
and it'll be wild, and you should respect it. Florida's
dropped three straight, which Florida, do we get? We saw
Florida really battle or miss. We saw them be non

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existent against Kentucky, which Florida do we get. I'm gonna
put an eight on this when you hadn't won in
a building since the George W. Bush administration, and you've
been playing down there every other year since then. You
don't get anything assumed about you, So I assume chaos here.
I'm gonna put an eight on it. And lastly, Pitt
is at Georgia Tech. I'm just gonna go ahead and

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tell you this is a ten on the upset Alert
concern meter. It's possible the wrong team's favorite here. Well,
Josh Notre Dame took care of Pitt last week. Yeah,
Georgia Tech's not Notre Dame. Firstly, Secondly, it wasn't a
must win game. Did you not listen to patent Nordoozy.
This is a must win game. That Georgia Tech defense
little drop off, little drop down in resistance compared to

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what Pitt had to face last week, one hundred and
fifth pass defense. So I think Pitt's gonna be able
to do some business here. Look, you can get Pitt
through the air too. Problem is that's really not the
stat profile for Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech wants to run
it on you. Haines. King's got to have like fifty
million touches in a game, and he will and they
got the home crowd at their back. I believe it's

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a night kickoff. They're favored by two and a half.
I'm gonna put a ten on it. I'm terrified. I
am terrified for Georgia Tech. They were wobbly last week.
They've been wobbly for a few weeks now. But you
know what, they've earned themselves the right to play a
meaningful game here in late November, and to that, I
salute them. The one other game that I did not

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put in here, oh man Jesse, I missed it badly,
didn't I all right, Well, we'll talk about it because
it should be very much on the radar. Arkansas Texas.
I'm shaking Texas's favor everybody. Eight and a half. Bobby
Petrino still has not got that win that went, the
one that you remember, whether he gets the job up
there or not, the game you remember, the one he

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hangs has had on. He really hadn't gotten that yet.
Texas is in the nineties in total pass defense, Arkansas
top thirty five passing offense. It's another one of those
games that if you just flip this one stack category
turnover margin, that could be the difference Texas is top
fifteen and Arkansas's one hundred and twenty ninth. That just

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means one team has taken care of the ball largely,
one team has given the ball away largely. But over
one four quarter afternoon that can be randomized. There's gonna
be a lot of passing here from both teams. That
inserts a lot of turnover variants. And I don't know
what state of mind that I'm going to get Texas in.
They're coming off the Georgia game, everyone's talking about the

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A and M game, and just Arkansas sneaking in there
in between. I'm putting an eight on the up subt
alert concern scale for that one. Thank you Jesse, quick
trip fueling our trip all the way out to Portland.
We're going out to Portland, Oregon a little bit later tonight.
We will be on the sidelines for USC Oregon on Saturday.
Gonna spend all day on campus Tomorrow up in Eugene,

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which is great. It's pouring in Nashville. I gotta get
out of the I gotta go to Oregon to get
out of the rain. What a world we live in.
Not wearing cotton hoodies today either. So we appreciate Quick
Trip for fueling the Fall Don't Live Tour. It's been
a highly successful tour so far as tours go. The
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is in the pet State store right now peytstatematerial dot Com.
That will be available for about the next two days
and then it'll be gone forever. We put a new
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on the tour, and then sometime in December or January,
we'll just release the shirt that has all the tour
stops on it, like a concert tour T shirt. It's

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gonna be great. At that point, that's probably all I'll
wear for the first quarter of twenty twenty six or so.
Appreciate Quick Trip from making all that possible. Let's move
on college football playoff chaos scenarios. At this point they're inevitable.
We just have to ask ourselves to what level does

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the chaos reach? Is it a six, is it an eight?
Is it a nine point nine to five? So three
scenarios that I got my eye on right now. And remember,
for everyone's saying it's gonna work itself out, we got
two weeks left. I don't think it's gonna work itself out.
I'm just gonna be real with you. I don't think
it's all gonna work itself out at this point. So
I want to begin tonight by talking to you about

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what we would call the ten and two conundrum, the
ten and two conundrum. It's pretty self explanatory. It's this
log jam of teams, and we're gonna get some combination
of these teams. There are too many to have this
all wiped out and for it to quote unquote take
care of itself. So right now, realistically, we could see
the following teams finish with a ten and two two

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record Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Alabama, Brigham Young, Utah, Miami, Vandy,
USC Michigan. Certainly not all of them are. You could
shave half of that list off and you're still gonna
have a log jam there, especially as it relates to
the conference title conundrum, which I'm going to bring up

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in just a second. So imagine what was that jesse
two for as twelve teams that realistically could be in
this mix. I mean, one thing has to happen, or
maybe a couple of things or nothing else has to happen,
and some of these teams just need to win out.
So the first question on my mind is what happens
to the Notre Dame Miami comparative pool thing at that point?

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Like how close are they put together Oregon USC? You know,
if USC wins this Saturday, is Oregon just knocked all
the way out? Can they resurrect their hopes by beating
Washington the next week? I'd be very interested in where
Brigham young is can compaired to Utah because they beat them.
What about Alabama and Vanderbilt? What about USC and Michigan?

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Remember if Michigan beats Ohio State next week? Well, first off,
if they take care of Maryland and then they beat
Ohio State, they're going to the Big Ten championship game,
and so they'd be ten and two, ten and three
at worst. Where is USC in relation to Michigan? Because
USC has the head to head over Michigan. It'll all
work itself out. They tell me, I don't believe you.

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I'm wagging the index finger. I straight up don't believe you.
The next one we would call the Week fourteen Mega
Riser chaos scenario. So the Week fourteen mega Rizer scenario
would involve teams like Texas or Vanderbilt or Georgia Tech

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or maybe Michigan, teams that play really highly ranked opponents
at the end, Teams that if they pull off an upset,
and especially if they put off a resounding upset, could
insert this wild unforeseen data point at the very last
minute into the committee's hands. And we're sitting there on

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selection Sunday wondering, Wow, what are they about to do
with this? Like, what's going to happen? So Texas A
and M goes to Texas. Texas is seventeenth right now.
I certainly think it's a long shot for them to
make the playoff at three losses. However, what if they
just beat AMM thirty five to ten or something like that,
just like a really really weird, emphatic, resounding upset, and

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then they're season's done and they're just they're nine to
three and they just got one of the best wins
of the season. How high could they jump? At the
very least, it would be a question. Plus, you know,
since it's Texas, that drum would get beat for an
entire week. What about Vandy? So Vandy goes to Tennessee.
Let's say Tennessee beats Florida this week, which is a chore.

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Let's say they beat Florida this week, and so you've
got you got to really really strong Tennessee team on
the road, and Vandy beats them and they beat him
pretty good. They should just beat them and then say
we're ten and two, we're from the sec let us in.
But especially if it's resounding, how high can Vanderbilt jump?
What if Georgia Tech upsets Georgia twofold number one. It's

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Georgia's second loss, so they join the ranks of the
two lost conundrum group and number two Georgia Tech, who
is at sixteen right now, What if they jump up
to number nine or number ten because they're in the
ACC Championship game. Possibly, But if they're in the ACC
Championship game and they're like thirteenth and they lose, they're

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not going to the playoff. But if they're ninth or
tenth and they lose the ACC Championship game, that's a
whole different conversation. Because the committee has talked about not
punishing teams who otherwise would be in the playoff for
playing in a conference title game, so that's something to watch.
And of course Ohio State Michigan, like Michigan's the best
position because Michigan has an opportunity to get the best

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win anyone's had all year by beating Ohio State at
the very end of the year, and you could make
Ohio State look wobbly. But also you could get a
win and that would be your fifth straight. So aside
from just the absolute ten out of ten volume on
Ryan Day and Ohio State and all that would entail.

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We remember what that sounds like, We've heard it multiple
years in a row. Michigan would be going to the
Big Ten championship game, possibly depending on how the tiebreaker
works out. That has a lot to do with USC,
but they're at eighteen right now now. They beat Maryland
this week. It doesn't look like they'll jump a whole
lot from that. But if they beat Ohio State, that's
a ten to two Michigan who would have wins over

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Ohio State, but they also haven't went over Washington. Their
losses would be to Oklahoma and USC, who were to
top fifteen ish teams right now, that would be a
playoff resume. Just crazy stuff that could happen. Mber three.
The conference title conundrum. So the conference title conundrum is
as you're trying to figure out what that playoff bubble

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is going to look like, you know the seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
thirteen like that range. Well, remember, we could have Alabama
go to the SEC championship game and lose. We could
have Brigham Young go to the Big twelve championship game
and lose. We could have Michigan go to the Big

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ten championship game and lose. And the reason that's important
is because I think Bama will be in the top
ten if they beat Auburn, so they'll if they go
to the SEC championship game, they'll be in the top ten.
Bring them Young, where will they be? Because they're number
eleven right now, So if they win the remaining games,

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will they be a top ten team entering that Saturday.
It's a very important note to be aware of Michigan.
If they beat Ohio State, do they vault up into
the top ten because if any of them are in
the top ten, and I say top ten instead of
top twelve because at eleven twelve spot it's kind of
artificial because you got to have a conference champion there
you got to have a G five team in there,

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and that's probably the spots they hold. So if you're
trying to get on that large spot because you're not
going to win your conference, you need to be ten
or higher going into conference championship Saturday, because if you
lose that game, then we got to test the committee
and see whether they're going to drop you out. They
claim that is unlikely to happen. I'm claiming for him
it's unlikely to happen. But if we have three examples

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of that, if Brigham Young and Michigan Obama aw somehow
got themselves in the top ten and then they all
went and lost on that Saturday, is someone dropping out
or are you just punishing, well not punishing, Are you
victimizing some other at large teams who have an equal
number of wins but one fewer loss because their added

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loss came on a day where the other ones didn't play.
I know it sounds complicated. Also, you know a real
fun side project there. Everyone's talking about Notre Name as
it relates to Miami right now, Well, what if we
get that kind of log jam? Notre Name's not invincible,
like they're not immune from being affected by that either.
I want to let you know something. We have got

(23:17):
a live show coming up December fifth, Buckhead Theater, Atlanta, Georgia,
the night before the SEC Championship game. Will have a
live event there. It's not a show like you're seeing
me do right now. I want to make sure to
note that it's a full on live event. I'll be
on stage. Some friends of the program who I haven't
announced yet, will be on stage. It'll be really fun.

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We'll have exclusive merch there that you can only get
at the event. We'll have a lot of back and
forth with the audience. It will not be broadcast anywhere.
What happens at the live event stays at the live event.
We'll take a blood oath at the door. I'm told
it'll be safe, it'll be clean. Just a little quick fingerprick.
And no, that's not happening. At least I don't know
that that's happening. But you know, trust Tree, Trust Tree

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there at the Buckhet Theater. So those tickets are on
sale right now. Paytstatematerial dot com. You'll see it. You'll
see the live show tab as soon as you go there.
Looking forward to that. All right, let's continue, um, look
the Lane Kiffin latest. Hank from Memphis hit me up.

(24:23):
He said, why haven't we heard anything from you about
the ole Miss ultimatum they supposedly gave to Lane Kiffin. Well,
because he's not the only one in that position. That's
the reason I haven't spoken about that. And what he's
talking about. What Hank's referring to there is there is
widely held belief that ole Miss is going to demand
an answer from Lane Kiffin before the Egg Bowl next

(24:43):
week about his future. For what it's worth, I believe
that's accurate. Now, whether or not Keith Carter has kicked
Lane's door open in the middle of the afternoon and
said you got forty eight hours, or he's slapped a
piece of paper down on his desk that says ultimatum
at the top, is a matter of semantics. The general
principle here is, yes, I believe ole Miss will push

(25:05):
hard to know, just as I would if I were them,
what Lane's intentions are before they get caught with their
pants down and then they're scrambling. Call that whatever you want.
The reason I haven't talked about it on the show,
it's because it's not just a Laane Kiffin thing. It's
just the whitest hot spotlight is on Lane. But if
you're going to talk about the idea that there's a

(25:26):
coaching search surrounding a guy whose team could be headed
to the playoffs, I'm going to counter with this, why
are you not asking that about Brent Key? Why are
you not asking that about Clark Lee? Why are you
not asking that about John Sumraw. Are all those guys
not in a position where their team may make the playoffs?

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Are all of those guys not in a position where
their name's being thrown around for open jobs. Are all
of those guys not potentially in a spot where they
may need to make a decision after the finish of
the regular season, By my estimation, they all are. So
it's not just a lame thing. People have just chosen
to talk about it with Lane Kiffin. But if I

(26:09):
were Hank, if I were to do the segment on Lane,
I'd have to do one on the other three there.
I will say this again, I do expect that to
be the case. I do expect if it hasn't happened already.
Again semantics here, I do expect Keith Carter and the
administration they're at all Miss to push and demand something
from Lane Kiffen. Now, whether Kiffen gives them what they

(26:31):
want in the form of an answer is up to him,
and then it's up to them what their contingency plans
are if he doesn't give them one. But man, just
consider the landscape next week. It's Thursday night right now.
Consider the landscape next week. It's Thanksgiving week. It's rivalry week.
It's the last week of the regular season. So you'll

(26:51):
have what you're normally focused on, which is your family
and travel and playing your rival one or two days
after Thanksgiving. That week's always a mess for college football fans.
That week's always a conflict of focus. It's a good
name for a tour next year. But then on top
of all that, just heap on pound after pound of

(27:16):
ole Miss speculation. And then if Lane stays, that's a
huge deal for ole Miss, and then Florida and or
LSU have to go with Plan B, or maybe he
takes one of those jobs, at which point we're finding
out what ole Miss is gonna do, and we're finding
out what the school that didn't get Lane is gonna do.
That could have a ripple effect with maybe Missouri because

(27:37):
Drink is up for a lot of these jobs. John
Summral at Tulane maybe going to a conference title game
that week, which is added drama because that's not something
Drink or Lane or any of the other guys are
really dealing with right now. What's he gonna do? How
does that affect the Auburn search. Penn State feels like
it's on the moon because a lot of these candidates
aren't involved there, but maybe coach Chesney there, James Madison is.

(27:59):
And then we've got Arkansas and I got no clue
what Arkansas is going to do, nor do they right now.
They've interviewed half the country. I think I've been interviewed
for the Arkansas job twice. I say that sarcastically, but
like I really do hope Arkansas gets it figured out.
All that's going to be happening next week slash weekend
that Sunday could be insane, And really, if you think
about it, some of these teams play on Friday, so

(28:20):
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(29:23):
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All right. One of our friends of the program hit
us up from Las Vegas, and he said, when are
we gonna admit moving around ranked wins as illogical and
inconsistent for college football? And he gave a bunch of examples,
and really the message is when are we gonna talk
about the playoff committee's inconsistency? And the answer is every

(29:45):
single day for the rest of the year on this show.
I kid a little bit. It's a mess. I know
it's a mess. You know it's a mess. Anyone who
watched the playoff selection show Tuesday night. If you didn't
know before, now you know it's a mess. I thought
it was a disaster of a show. We all produced
the in studio talent while they were at Madison Square
Garden that night, but those guys did great. Rhys Davis

(30:06):
asked the best questions I've heard asked. The answers he
got left a lot to be desired. So, like, for example,
what you're talking about there now is there are people
out there who are trying to conveniently give credit to
Oregon for beating Penn State because Penn State was a
different team than they are now, which I agree with,

(30:27):
But then they're not giving credit to other teams. So
it's almost like they've got the rankings the way they
want them, and then after their set then they like
reverse engineer logic conveniently and you know, like selectively, and
if it looks that way, it's cause that's how it is.
So I don't want to rehash all this. It's a

(30:47):
few days old now. There were so many terrible examples.
There was so much inconsistency and misapplied logic presented by
Hunter Yurchik the other night, who is the Playoff Committee chair,
new Playoff Committee Chair, that we could do a whole
show on it. I was blown away. It's the worst
I've ever seen playoff rankings explained, to the point where

(31:08):
I've never really talked about this on the show before,
but I think they should just admit the dirty secret
and lean into it. The dirty secret is, and lean in.
I know this is going to shock a lot of you.
Those people don't watch all the college football games, nor
do they really need to, because they're not ranking the teams.
What's happened every year on the committee. What's happened is

(31:30):
there's been theater and there's been presentation and performance. And
I mean, we're gonna gather in Grapevine, Texas, and we're
gonna lock all these people in a room, and then
we're gonna tell you that they're deliberating like jurors, and
then they're gonna come out with their verdict in the
form of playoff rankings every Tuesday night, and then we're
gonna pretend like we're not getting them into our hand
until right when we flash them on the screen. And

(31:52):
ninety percent of that's bs. What really happens is there's
a preset computer model that pumps those teams out, and
it's spits it out in ninety eight percent of the
works done. And at that point, if they want to
manually adjust here or there, that's the extent of the
involvement with that committee. That's really what's happening here. The
problem is, for quite a while they did an okay

(32:15):
job of pretending so the theater of the mind I
was willing to buy into. It's kind of known behind
the scenes how this really works. But now that they
suck so bad at pretending they're the ones ranking the teams,
they need to just admit what's really going on. That's
what they really need to do, because really, if I
was wrong about that, their rankings would look a whole

(32:36):
lot different than the old BCS rankings, but we still
have access to the BCS formula. So every week there
are several Twitter accounts. If you don't believe me, go
find them that spit out what the BCS rankings would
have been. Magically, the Playoff Committee rankings look strikingly similar
to the BCS rankings. It's cause they didn't tinker with

(32:57):
the formula all that much. They just built this this
new presentation around it. They built this new illusion around it,
and they built a committee. And all the committee does
is go down there and eat crackers behind a closed door,
have them probably take a nap, and then they show
up Tuesday and they're probably wearing shorts from the waist
down but a suit and tie from the waist up,
and they pretend like they're ranked the teams and they

(33:18):
watched all the games. Really, what they did is they
got some rankings spat out in their lap, and then
they kind of have to explain it in a way
that makes it look like they're their rankings. That only
works if you're good at explaining it. But if you
suck at explaining it, you need to just drop the
act and you need to say this is what the
computer gave us. I'd take that at this point over

(33:39):
what we heard with like the Notre Dame Bama argument
the other night. I mean, I got no problem. If
the computer spits out Notre Dame over Alabama, which as
far as I could tell, it would have, that's not
the problem. Problem is ninety nine percent of the country
is unaware of your procedure, so they really do think
you're ranking these teams. And when you come out and
you start talking about stupidity like oh, how many rushing

(34:02):
yards does Alabama really have in some of these games?
Or you're talking about comparing losses when it comes to
Notre Dame in Miami, even though one of Notre Dame's
losses is to Miami. And I'm looking at a lot
of people who frankly I respect, but they're making such
anecdotal arguments and me knowing full well, if I did
nothing but keep the resumes the same but switch the logos,

(34:23):
they'd make the exact opposite argument. I can't stand that.
And I was looking at when they were doing the
Alabama Notre Dame comparison the other night, and they keep
bringing up the Florida State loss and I got no
problem with you bringing up the Florida State loss. It's
a terrible loss. But when I watch Bama go beat Georgia,
in my mind, that can't it doesn't cancel. It balances

(34:45):
out that Florida State loss. A great win should have
the same effect on your resume that a bad loss has.
But then that's not where Bama's resume is done. They
got to win over Vandy, and they gotta win over
Missouri on the road. Then they got to win over Tennessee,
so they've more than balanced that out. When they go
lose to Oklahoma at home, that's a competitive loss against
the top fifteen team, which brings them to the exact

(35:06):
same record Notre Dame has. And then I start getting
offensive numbers thrown in my face, and I just want
to remind you, guys, like, if you want to throw
stats out, these are the total defenses Notre Dame's faced.
One eleven, one three nine, two, one oh seven. Oh,
by the way, they're going to wrap up with one
twenty five and one oh four. I don't care about it,

(35:27):
but since you're making these like half cocked arguments, I'll
give you some in return. So just be honest about
the process. That's what I'd love to see. Reminder, actually,
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Speaker 1 (38:12):
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the very least you know him. I assume Cole Kublick
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Speaker 3 (38:25):
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Speaker 4 (38:27):
No, I don't have to hear my wife complain about
you not promoting the podcast. So I'm excited about that.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
We both got tired of that, so I rectified the situation.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
So I Shane Biemer shouting out your show, Yeah about that,
and good for you, by the way, good for you
for getting on Beamer's radar.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
He shouted out Cole Kubrick earlier this week, which was
basically his payback for Cooper protecting. That was Cooper Protetant's
payback more so than anything. Now you know how to
take heels?

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah, yes, No, never had my name mispronounced in forty
plus years on this earth. So yes, Is it really so?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
All the coaching searches are happening right now. I've listened
to you guys on radio in Birmingham all week. You're
talking about it. We've been talking about it. Everybody's talking
about it. I'm just sitting here thinking to myself, all right,
Like it's as we're talking right now, it's pouring rain
in Nashville, Tennessee. So if I needed to get to
my car across the parking lot, there's short of having
an umbrella, there's no scenario where I can get to

(39:24):
my car without getting wet. To me running a coaching
search right now? Is we know we're gonna get wet.
It's just how do we stay as dry as possible
getting to the car. There is no perfect way to
do this at this point. There is no perfect way
to run a coaching search at this point. If you're
gonna run one now, if you're just gonna keep your guy,
like maybe FSU just keeps Mike Norvell and they avoid

(39:46):
all this. But if you're Florida, if you're Auburn, if
you're Penn State, the calendar is such that you got
to get your guy in place by that recruiting window,
by the portal window, or at least you got to
do it or die trying figuratively. So I got a
thought on this, like strategically, if I were running a
crisis management firm, or if I were an athletic director

(40:06):
and I were trying to map it out, if I
were a candidate for these jobs, and now we're trying
to map it out, I've got what would be my approach.
I'm not saying it's totally ethical, not on the up
and up per se, but it is technically legal. I've
consulted with the Pate State legal team, got a good
law school here, so it's technically legal. It's how I
would do it. But I want to tease you with that,

(40:27):
and I want to see how you would do it. First,
You've watched all these things play out. You've watched Auburn's
doing their business, how Florida and ls you were doing
their business. Penn State, Arkansas, who knows what. Arkansas may
not have a coach, They may not hire anyone at
this point. It may just kind of be open and
they may just like rotate guys in D line coach
coaches one week. But how would you run it? Like,
what's the best way to do it? Right now?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
You mentioned the college football calendar and that you have
points in the calendar that you need to defeat or
get in front of or be finished with by I
would say even move that up more. That would be
my philosophy. Now here's the difference is. I don't think
that all needs to be done publicly, but I do
think that this is getted as done as fast as
humanly possible. That could be between you and I. It

(41:09):
could be handshake, it could be contract signed in a
drawer somewhere and we're not going to do anything with
it until it's time to go public. But we know
we've got it. Both sides have done more than just
verbally agree with a handshake, and we're moving forward, trying
to assemble staff behind the scenes, trying to retain our roster,
so on and so forth. Remember and so called Steve
Aston had like the DTA era, whereas like don't trust anybody.

(41:31):
I think you have to take that mantra as well.
Be it agents, be it media, be it people maybe
you've worked with prior that are at other schools. You
have to be extremely careful with the information that you're
allowing to get out and who knows what you're doing,
why you're doing it, and maybe what you're going to
go do next. We've seen some very successful coaching searches
be very quiet in the past. I think about Greg
Burn in Alabama a couple of years ago. I think

(41:53):
there were some of us that thought Caitlin de Boor
had a really good chance to get it. But nationally, Josh,
I don't remember that being the drum that everybody was
banging for two or three weeks and we were just waiting.
It was a matter of time until that thing got done.
It was swift, it was quick, It got finished in
a hurry. He went and got him, got it done,
and that was it, And it was probably done a
couple of days before we even found out that it
was going to be done. So I think you have

(42:15):
to rush to complete it personally, if you have your
guy now, you should have never fired your coach if
you didn't have a guy, if you didn't at least
have a list of names in that drawer that you
knew you could attack and you knew you could get
to your place. If you can't do that, don't fire
your coach. Give it another year. Wait until you have
that list generated, maybe have the relationships in place to
be able to go get that person and then be

(42:36):
able to go do it. Second would be you better
have a good fallback plan because there's a lot of
these that do not go according to your wish list
or your desires, or the fan base's desires or a
booster's desire. You better have two and three teed up
ready to go, because once you get past one, if
two and three aren't ready and then the calendar gets

(42:56):
in the way, or an extension gets in the way,
or something else happens with a fan family member, now
you're in trouble. And you're gonna scramble, and you're gonna
get force fed somebody that you and the fan base
and maybe the boosters don't want. So get it done
as fast as you can. Don't trust anybody, and have
a plan going in, have a planned before you fire
your coach initially, what you're going to want.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
To go do. I've had Greg Brn lay out the
entire process to me before. That's the most fun conversations
to have. When there's nothing to hide anymore and you
get athletic directors one on one, have them just tell
you the story and if they can fight in you,
they'll tell you the story. But I think what Greg
Burn wouldn't mind being publicized is it wasn't a situation

(43:37):
where they looped thirty seven different boosters in and said, hey,
do I have your OK on this. I'm the athletic
director at Alabama, a legend just retired. I got to
get this thing done. It's a really weird part of
the calendar right now. And so like the way he
laid it out to me, is the way you avoid
a public coaching search is number one, don't loop in
a whole lot of people. And number two, have the

(43:58):
search done before the search begins. So if you're a
sitting athletic director, I mean everyone always talks about having
the names in the top drawer. There's a difference in
having some names you'd be interested in, versus already having
vetted all those names, done the due diligence on all
those names, done your homework on all those names, where
you really are comfortable that Nick Saban retires today, I

(44:20):
can fly to Seattle tomorrow. I know I want him.
That's the difference. But then that was also a typical
and it's kind of apples to Orange just to what's
happening right now. So let me bounce my plan off
of you. See how you feel about it. You're not
going to feel great about it. I don't feel great
about it. But what I would do if my name
was floated early is I would do a version of

(44:41):
what Kurt Signetty did. I would do a version of
what Matt Ruhle did. I would let it be publicized
that I just signed a new deal with my school.
I just really wouldn't change the buyout parameters, or I
would change the buyout parameters site slightly, and I would
count on maybe if I was going to take the
Penn State job. And I'm speaking strictly generically here, so

(45:02):
no one out there reading anything I'm saying about a
specific school. I would count on a place like Penn
State who maybe just fired their coach, having that coach
get a new job where the buyout that they're having
to pay is mitigated to begin with. Therefore, if they're
having to pay mine, it doesn't matter if my school
tacked on another three million, Like, they're not really going
to view that as some insurmountable hurdle, like with James Franklin,

(45:25):
just as an example, so people know what I'm talking about.
Initially they were going to be on the hook for
like fifty million. Well now they're on the hook for
nine million. So if I'm over here coaching at PAYT
State and I signed a new deal and you're gonna
have to pay me three million more than you were
otherwise going to have to pay, nobody cares. But in
the aggregate, I take my name out of the headlines,
Like as soon as these get as soon as Kurt Signetti,

(45:46):
who I don't believe is going anywhere again to reiterate,
but it's as soon as Kurt Signetti signed that new deal.
His name was Whosh. It was gone from all the
coaching searches. So what I do is I just sign
a new deal. I wouldn't change the buyout structure, and
I would look my ad in the and I would say,
you and I both know if I have a good
relationship with it, my name's gonna be up for these jobs. Okay,

(46:07):
So we're gonna have to deal with that eventually, no
matter what. In the meantime, if you want to avoid
all this drama, let's just work this out in week
four or week five. Let's turn the noise all the
way down. Let's mute it. We'll still deal with it
when the time comes. Maybe I'm gonna leave, maybe I'm not.
But in the interim, at least we don't have to
deal with the noise that John Sommerl's dealing with, that

(46:29):
Lane Kiffin's dealing with mostly by choice, that Eli Drinkwitz
is dealing with. Those guys are dealing with this stuff
every day because it's not going anywhere. You don't control
how big a mess the college football calendar is right now.
You can at least control whether you sign a new deal,
even it's cosmetic Okay, the public doesn't know it's cosmetic.
Reporters don't know it's cosmetic, and I kind of need

(46:51):
it to stand up for a few months. I don't
need it to stand up for a few years, thoughts.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Well, I do. But you and I have talked about
candidates possible candidates even this cycle, and the phrase well
hasn't necessarily signed that extension yet, so that might not
be something that's pubble sized or that a lot of
people in the media discussed and talk about. We both
know it's very real. But I do like your idea
of getting things to just die down and kind of

(47:17):
go away and at least keep the noise from infiltrating
your building, which we know a lot of coaches are
having to deal with right now. And that headache not
something that's going to slow down. It's usually just going
to ramp up and speed up. So I like that
part of it. I don't think that that prevents everything
from either being a distraction or being thrown your way.
It's not going to keep everybody from coming at you.
But it's not what you want anyway, As you just

(47:39):
laid out, you just want the people that you don't
want to deal with or you don't want to have
to handle not to talk to you anymore, or not
to continue to bring your name up. So it's a
solid strategy. I could see it working out to an extent.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I don't feel great about it, but I don't feel
great about anything right now. To move on a little
bit here, but I.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Mean, you're also you're also lying to an entire university
and a fan base and not iron to a staff.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
And sure, I'm telling you part of my strategy here.
So if you're lying, you're deviating from my strategy, and
shame on you. Whichever camera I'm looking at, shame on
you if you do. I would be straight up with
my athletic director. Now, if my ad balks at it,
then I say, okay, we're just gonna have a drama
filled second half of the season. Oh well, and that's
no worse than what it was going to be anyway.
I'm just trying to take proactive measures here. Help me,

(48:22):
help you? Is all you're saying.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
You want the school to put it out. You're not
going to address it in the media and say, oh,
I'm so happy to be here. We're building so much,
I'm so excited. I like it here, and once we
get that new indoor facility, things are going to be great.
And if they could really just give me more of
staff pool, we'd be doing fine. And you know, the
nil budget's going to go up apparently, and then everything
will be great here. We'll love it here once All that.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Hat I'm saying is someone's got to be the bad guy,
and I don't want it to be me. I don't
get well, that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
So here's one other part of it. Your athletic director
is going to agree with you to publicly go forward
facing with admitting that in the future he's failing, is
what you're asking him to do.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
No, No, it doesn't have to look like that. It
has to if we do it right.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
If he signs you to an extension, if he signs
you to an extension and goes public with it to
avoid all the mess, and then you jet four months later,
he failed because he led everyone believe that he had
you renewed and extended, and then you're gone.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, but I think if all the parameters of the
contract were met, that just means someone came in with
a bigger checkbook and bought me out of here. I
don't think it makes the ad look bad. It makes
it look like he made every attempt possible to keep me.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Once the once the Ross Dellingers and the Pete.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Nacosis nakeye uh, Pete nakeye, and the pret McMurphy's get
a hold of that thing, and the Pete Thamils and
they see that the contract, the buyout, was it negotiated
or renegotiated or changed.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
That ad is gonna He's gonna take a beating in the.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Public, I promise, not my problem at that point.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Once again, it's not your problem. But you're not lying anybody.
You're I said it was a strategy. I didn't say
there wouldn't be casualties. I just said I don't want
to be I don't want to be dead amongst you.
That was all I'm saying. All right, So there's a
lot of noise around a lot of guys. As you'll notice,
the noise is temporarily died down a little bit on
Mike Norvell at Florida State. So I was going to

(50:17):
ask you in this last two weeks, you can even
take it into the postseason if you want to. But
we got a couple of weeks left there's a ton
still to sort out, so it's really foggy out here
in the college football streets. What are some of the
things that have your attention to most, because Florida State's
one of them for me. Like Norvelle, with all the
noise that was around him for a little while, seems

(50:37):
to have died down for a second. However, they go
to NC State and they go to Florida to finish
the year. They are zero to three on the road
this year, So if they drop one or both of
those games, especially if they're ugly games, I think that
noise could crank right back up. It could be that
they've just kind of tamped down the talk right now and.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Still fully intend on making a move there. So like
I haven't totally looked away from the Florida State situation.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
You know how the new gimmick and a lot of
the athletic departments is to name the position room after
said booster whatever it is. Like the Josh paid offensive
line coach of the Cole Kubrick receivers coach Mike norvel
is in the Sam Pittman room right now, and we
all know it's gonna happen. It's a matter of when

(51:23):
there's no resurrecting this, there's no saving it. So for me,
that's not gonna grab a ton of my attention when
I know this is gonna happen at some point, and
it might be next year, just like with Sam Pittman
and we were all surprised that he hung around for
an extra year. I was okay with it, but the
majority of the people that pay attention to college football thought,
in the back of their mind, this is over. You

(51:45):
could say, Billy Napier was in that room earlier this year,
it was going to end. It was gonna be done.
It's just we didn't know exactly when that was going
to take place. One week, a month into the season,
maybe even week three of next year. But it's gonna happen.
It's gonna take place. So I'm not going to pay
a ton of attention to that because I put Mike
Norvel in that soon to be fired category with some

(52:06):
of the coaches that we just referenced. I'm more hyper
focused on what teams are going to be going into
the postseason. I think there's a couple of teams that
have facets of what they do that there's not a
lot you can do about it, and there's not a
lot that certain teams are going to be able to
do to offset it. You look at Oklahoma what that
front seven did to Alabama last week. Now you'll say
turnovers and this, well, Oklahoma forced some of those turnovers,

(52:28):
like they made life miserable for Alabama in ways in
which they couldn't offset that. Who's built to be able
to offset that in a playoff setting? And how many
games maybe consecutively could Oklahoma see someone and that be
that much of a problem that it's going to allow
them to advance if special teams, the kicking game or
the quarterback aren't doing their part to take over a
football game. I think Julian's saying in Ohio State. Now,

(52:50):
a lot of people are going to say his receivers,
but I'm going to tell you, Josh, you watch his
last two games. There are four or five throws in
each one of those games that are so wow worthy
it's almost not believable. And then you see he's completing
eighty percent of his passes on the year, and you
say to yourself, that's how he's completing eighty percent of
his passes because he's literally throwing the ball through defensive backs.

(53:11):
That's the way it appears on film because the coverage
is there, it's in phase, the hand is up, and
all of a sudden, Jeremia Smith comes up with the
football and you just think that didn't just happen, but
it did happen. How much better can that get? Can
that offense add other facets around it to essentially make
them unstoppable? Maybe some facets of teams that I think
are getting close to that. I look at George's offense

(53:32):
right now and how multifaceted they are. Everything that they
are asking Gun or Stockton to do, it's a little
bit similar to say Alabama with all the different things
he's being asked to do. He's under center, he's turning
his back to the defense and play action. Hell, last week,
he's faking full back belly and bootlegging around on fourth
and one and throwing passes a shotgun zone. Read know

(53:55):
that the edge line of scrimmage is going to crash
the mess he's gonna get hit, has to get rid
of the football. Well, his touch down the field has
improved immense He's literally doing everything, and then you add
that sort of just gamer aspect to what he does.
How much better is the offensive line some of the
other skill guys going to be around him moving forward
to where they might just have so much that no

(54:16):
defense can really manage that. I look at a Marcel
Reed to Texas A and M. He needs to continue
to grow as a passer. I think that offensive line
at times is dominant. You have wide receivers at times
are dominant. But you have four drops in the first
half last week, two of those in the end zone.
So can Marcia and he had a bad interception going
in for a score that I know he would love

(54:36):
to have back. How much can he grow over the
next few weeks to where maybe that offense is consistently
on par with what that defense has been and maybe
both sides of the football become that for Texas A
and M in the postseason the balance of Indiana. Does
that just continue? And maybe all of this is for
nothing because the team in the last game of the
season completely wets the bed and then does what Ohio

(54:58):
State did last year and goes on and makes a
run the playoff and wins the national title.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah, you know a team that can't do that, but
can ruin someone else's season is Auburn, So you and
I won't talk on the show at least again into
the Iron Bowl. But I'm really interested in that too.
Number One, cause it's a rivalry game and that's the
best thing about college football, So that stands alone. Number Two,
I don't think anyone can ignore the playoff implications, SEC

(55:21):
championship implications. Also, you've got an ongoing coaching search at Auburn,
which DJ Durkin has his name in the mix for.
And you know, it wouldn't be the total craziest thing
in the history of college football for you to shake
your snow globe and tell me, hey, Auburn's gonna win
that game thirty to twenty and riding a wave of momentum,

(55:43):
Durkin's gonna have like tons of fans support he ends
up getting the job. It wouldn't be the craziest thing
I've ever seen happen. So you got that if that
goes Auburn's way. Kickoff temperature in the upper thirties according
to James Spam kickoff temperature upper thirties. So if that
goes that way, then you've all also got on the
other side of the seesaw. How are they talking about

(56:04):
Kaitlin the next Monday, and that's just when you're on radio.
They won't wait until the next Monday. But imagine that conversation.
Imagine BAMA missing the playoffs two years in a row. So, yeah,
that swing based on the outcome of that game, because
then you're also opening a playoff spot up for someone else.
You're opening a spot in the SEC Championship game up
for someone else.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Tons of dominoes from the Iron Bowl.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
And it's good. Here's i thing. The big roll of
the dice in that game is it doesn't appear as
ow Ashton Daniels is going to play quarterback this week
at Alburn. Okay, it's been reported today Duce Knight's going
to start. This is actually something Hugh Freeze told us
when we had that game.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Going into the.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Missouri game, he said, we're trying to figure out how
to red shirt Ashton Daniels. That was not something anybody
was really talking about at that point in time, so
we were a little caught off guard. He said, maybe
you make Mercer aduce night game, but I have to
not play him in this one. He doesn't and then
obviously we saw what happened against Kentucky a few weeks later,
and he's good to go. Not playing in this game
against Mercer, Well, what does that give them some extra

(57:04):
time to prepare? Is he healthier than he was against Vanderbilt
a couple of weeks ago. Are you able to implement
some things with him that you haven't put on films
just yet that could catch that Alabama defense off guard,
catch him by surprise. You could also look at it
from the standpoint of he's gonna have a week off
of not playing in a game, hasn't played in a
ton of games this year anyway? Is that advantage Alabama

(57:25):
as to how he reacts once he's in that game?
In that situation, you just don't know which direction that's
gonna go. That one's gonna come down to. Can the
Auburn defense make the Alabama offense uncomfortable like only a
few teams have done this year? Specifically the front make
that offensive line for Alabama wrong, which they have been
a few times this year, not consistently, but when they have,

(57:46):
teams have been able to force negative plays and bad things.
So I think there's a lot of intrigue there. You
can say that place is haunted. I don't agree with that.
I think that's disrespectful to the home crowd and the
fans that are there, because they make that environment what
it is. It's not like you're burying eagle skeletons under
that thing. It's just a tough place to go play
because the fans are passionate, get into it, and they
stay loud, and people know they're going to go in

(58:08):
there and potentially not play well. So I think it's
gonna be a lot of fun. I'm excited about that one.
I think there's a lot of intrigue in a lot
of different ways.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
One more thing that I wanted to point out is
if we rewind back to July, the perception of the
acc was it was either Clemson or Miami. If not Clemson,
then Miami, And then remember the talk, there's this huge
drop off and any kind of dark horse picture you're
trying to paint, whether it be Georgia Tech, who I'll
get to in a second, or SMU or any of

(58:37):
the others, there was this seemingly like insurmountable preseason odds
hurdle that they were going to have to clear. And then,
especially when you looked at Miami's schedule. You were like,
I mean, if they lose, it's gonna be Florida, it's
gonna be Notre Dame. How does Miami miss the ACC
championship game? Well, we found away from Miami to miss
the ACC championship game. Clemson hasn't been in the picture

(59:00):
for weeks, and Georgia Tech's the favorite to win the
conference right now. Georgia Tech could very well lock down
a playoff spot right now. And I don't think because
again we've gotten into the fog of the season, I
don't really think people are appreciating it. And they may
not be appreciating it because Clemson fell off. So like
now that Clemson fell off, now that Miami fell off,
it's like, oh, well they're going to accomplish that. But

(59:21):
it's just the least of the bad over there in
the ACC. And my viewpoint on it is, I don't
care what the circumstances are. If Clemson wins a watered
down league, if Miami wins a water down league, that's
one thing. If Georgia Tech's winning it, that's something that
people would have really laughed you out of certain buildings
in July for. And here they are. They hadn't won anything,

(59:42):
they still got pitt this weekend. They Georgia doesn't matter,
but they got to win the game. But just they're
in position this late, and the way they've done it,
running so much of that offensive workload disproportionately through one
player has been pretty fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
To me, it is and Brick He's done an amazing job,
and it makes me actually go forward an extra week
and think about the emphasis not just on the Iron Bowl,
but a couple of these other rivalry games. We're going
to be talking about Georgia Georgia Tech, the kind of
implications that could be on that game, Texas Texas A
and M what's on the line there. I think we
know it's a little more one sided, but the Egg

(01:00:16):
Bowl is going to have college football playoff implications, even
if it just comes down to seating in home games
homefield advantage, some of these rivalry games are going to
have massive implications in front of them that one team's
going to be either looking to ruin or both teams
are going to be playing for. I think by the
time we get to it, Josh, we may look down
Rivalry weekend and say, could we make you an argument

(01:00:37):
that this is the most important rivalry weekend we've had
because we can go back and remember at one versus
three Ohio State Michigan, or even a one to two
Ohio State Michigan. We can remember two top teams in
the Iron Bowl. We can remember Florida Florida State playing
and Peter Bowlwer and those guys just ruining Danny worfol
and then them coming back in the Sugar Bowl playing
them again and I kill you and right Anthony and

(01:01:00):
those guys just going crazy win a national championship. But
that was for two teams, usually maybe four teams. Usually.
Now we have a lot of other teams. They're gonna
have opportunities to either make their hey, have their season ruined,
jockey for position in this playoff. I just think when
we get there, if we sit down and take a
big look at it from a broad distance, might this

(01:01:22):
be the most important rivalry weekend that we've had.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Consider how far down the list you would get before
you even mentioned Oregon Washington, and just how big that
game alone could be. Next week could be all right,
plug cube, show tell people where to find it. Pretend
like up until Shane Beemer's press conference earlier this weekend.
They weren't even aware of what you did outside of
your sideline duty Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Now most people might think it's just a Twitter takeaway
on Sunday nights, which comes out so late. Sometimes it
basically Monday morning. We take all the sec games, we
watch the film, we tell you what you see. They
usually gets out on Mondays, sometimes based on some travel
movement with My Show and Charlotte Read and React with
Roman Harper. It comes out on Tuesdays now, but we're
still trying to get it out on Mondays. All I

(01:02:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
That is one of my favorite memories is famously saying
this channel will never get to twenty thousand. That direct
quote out of someone's mouth that much, we can confirm.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Now you're the one that wants athletic directors to do all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Your dirty work for you, so absolutely I do. Won't
apologize for it either, all right, I'll talk to you
sometime and we'll see you on the show sometime in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Fair, Hey, if I don't you Jesse. Everybody have a happy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Thanksgiving same to you and yours. All Right, it feels
like we're Thanksgiving week right now. We're still a week await.
We just won't talk to Cube again until then. That's
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It'll probably be a little bit later, not Pacific late.
I just mean it'll be during those Friday night games

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