Week 8 Reaction Show & Billy Napier Fired + Mike Norvell & Brian Kelly Next?

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Two, five, seven, ten, Stay with me eleven, twenty, twenty two,
twenty three, twenty five. These are not Mima's blood pressure
numbers from rite Aid people. This right here is a
list of the ranked teams that fell yesterday. That's what
we mean when we say volcanic Saturday could be around

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the corner. We're jam packed hi Atapi, very breezy downtown Nashville, Tennessee. Sunday,
October nineteenth, the year of our lower twenty twenty five
A metric ton. Listen to that stack of papers, A
metric ton to talk about. Billion Apier is out at Florida.
That's a big announcement. The James Franklin News a week
ago was a big announcement. We've got more firings coming.

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It brings me no joy to tell you that, because
a lot of this stuff I would for not to happen.
But it's going to happen. Maybe not during the show tonight,
but it's gonna happen. So we're gonna talk about all
of it. Freeze at Auburn, I think it's gonna happen.
Norvel at Florida State, I'm pretty sure it's gonna happen.
We'll talk about it. It's a full reaction show. Week
eight is in the books. A lot of things changed.

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More things changed, the more things stay the same in
a compacted season, but a lot of things changed. Yesterday.
I'll talk about it. The ap pole is out. We've
got nothing less, nothing short, rather of a historic tour
announcement to make on the show tonight. All of that
plus wouldn't you know it, they're watching us in Davenport, Iowa, Washington,
d C. Tempe, Arizona, Okanawa, Japan. As I told you

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last week, it is right now, October nineteenth. The rest
of the season is gonna be insane. Not only do
we have conference championship in playoff races entering the stretch run,
we're gonna have a coaching carousel, just domino effect like
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appreciate it. Okay, here we go. Let's dive in. Billy Napier,
BILLI Napier is out at Florida. He was fired early
this afternoon, twenty two and twenty three. That's what the

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final record is there for. Billy Napier expected this talk
to you last week. Essentially, if you read between the lines,
I told you it didn't matter if he beat Mississippi State.
This was pretty known, This was not hidden. A lot
of people reported this during the week, So not a surprise.
Very disappointed, and I'm not saying I'm disappointed that Florida
made the decision. Florida did exactly what they had to

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do here. By my estimation, they did what they had
to do. Napier never let go of play calling there
and it cost him his job. And we went down
there in the spring. If You'll remember we went down
there in the spring, and I follow Florida Football very closely,
so I knew what the number one gripe had been
from folks around the program. And Billy was always really

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good to us. He gave us a lot of access
down there, and I felt comfortable enough just kind of saying, hey,
you giving up play calling? No? Why not? Why won't
you give up play calling? And to his credit, he
was honest. He said, I believe me calling plays gives
us the best chance to win. Now, that did not
end up being the case. You know, it's classic. Two

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things were true. Billy said what he believed, and what
Billy believed about the best interest of Florida football was
wrong and it cost him his job. That's the way
it works. It's an adult world. It's a results oriented world,
and you may decisions and those decisions do not yield results,
and they fire you. And he's going to make a
lot of money as part of the buyout. I don't

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really ever care about that. It's a huge deal. It's
baked in to soften the blow here. But I'm a
big human element guy. I'll talk about that in a second,
but there's not really much to say. For all the
talk around Napier for several years down there, now there
were people who thought it would eventually work. I was
one of them. I think I kind of hoped it
would work. There was never that big stretch of games.

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There may have been individual one offs, but there was
never that stretch of games where you said, oh, he's
planted his flag. Here it goes. And what I always
have to remind everyone and myself is this is not
one of those situations where a lot's being asked of
a guy who hasn't been given what it takes to succeed.
To Florida's immense credit, they in the past fifteen years

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post urban Meyer had fallen way behind. I'm not sure
you can fully appreciate this unless you seen behind the
scenes down there. They had fallen way behind the power
players in college football and in the SEC. And to
their credit, they put their foot on the gas. From
an infrastructure standpoint, from an nil standpoint, more recently, from

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a strength and conditioning, sports nutrition facilities, you name it.
They put their foot down and they got the job done.
And for that, the Florida job is a great job. Now,
Florida is a destination program for anybody to work at.
And I'm mentioning that not to sell Florida. They'll sell
it themselves, but to remind everyone. That's why there's not

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much to say about him firing Billy Napier. He had
everything he asked for a lot, he was given a lot.
He had a gigantic staff down there, and a really
good one, to the point where I wonder when the
new guy comes in there, if there'll be some retention.
I've said that for months now. There's some really, really
good top of the industry people in that building that

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Billy hired. Did a lot of good things down there.
I don't ever remove the human element of this, which
a lot of people do. If you're a fan of
the if you're a fan of the team, I get it,
because you just want to win. So if if you
have a terrible person winning football games for you, that's okay.
And if you have a great person who's losing football

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games for you, you don't really care that he's a
great person because you're not hiring a boy Scout leader.
You want someone to win games. I look at it
a little different, but that's because I'm not sitting there
as a Florida fan. I'm just someone who knows Billy
Napier loves the dude, just loves him as a person.
Hoped it would work out for him as a coach.
It didn't. I have trouble removing the human element on

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things like this, So I'm certainly not sitting here telling
you he got screwed. Like I made the case. I
thought Penn State moved on James Franklin way too quickly.
I don't think Florida moved on billiy Napier way too quickly.
I thought this had to happen. I will say this,
he left the thing a whole lot better than he
found it. The Florida program, the Florida job, it's a
great destination place. Okay, So there's that. There's the big

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buyout that makes ninety nine percent of people look and say, hey,
you pay me that kind of money. I'd love to
be fired. My philosophy on that has always been I
don't really think you understand no matter what the amount
of money is. I don't care if it's thirty billion dollars,
no matter the amount of money. When you're a type,
a alpha competitive type, and someone tells you you have

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failed you're not good enough, go away. They're dumping a
ton of money in your lap. Wonderful, Okay. It guts
you as a competitor, It guts you. And for the
people who mockingly say, hey, you gut me all you
want for that amount of money, You'll never be in
position to make that kind of money because you have
that attitude. Is the way I've always looked at that.

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I used to be like that, like I know what
I'm talking about, because I used to say that about people. Well,
you got a lot of money, so who cares? Who
cares about the human Hey man, I'm down here working
in a fabric warehouse. I'd love to be a fired
football coach. Monetarily, Yeah, I'd love to have the bank
account those guys have. But it comes at the cost,

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and only a real, real like type, a competitive type,
understands this. It comes at the cost of being told
you failed, you're not good enough, and there is no
amount of money that fills that hole that Why do
you think these dudes jump right back into coaching. Is
it because they burn through all their money. These dudes
live very, very very isolated lives. They can't possibly burn

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through all that money. It's because being told you're not
good enough, being told you're a loser, because that's what
they tell you when they're firing you, in not so
many words, leaves a hole in you. So the reason
I never fancy myself a journalist is because I openly
root for the ones I know to succeed. I'll use
this platform sometimes to do it. If that turns people

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off it, I don't think it really turns many people off,
but it does make people say that I duck criticizing
them sometimes. No, I up trashing them. I don't duck
criticizing them. I guarantee you everything every show we've ever
done is public here, and we don't delete any of it.
You go back and look at what we've said about Billy,
there's a healthy amount of criticism there. What we're not

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going to do is spray paint Napier sucks on the
brick facade of the set here. That's not what we're doing.
We try and be more constructive with that. So there's
the human element, and then there's the future element. Who
is Florida going to hire? Probably Lane Kiffin, and then
if he says no, then the search can continue. But
I think their search begins and ends with Lane Kiffin.

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Now I said that earlier today. Again, I don't think
that's breaking news. I think that's being widely speculated, if
not outright reported. And I had some people come at
me and say, why would Lane leave old Miss? I
don't know that he will, they continued. Who says Florida
does a better job than old Miss? Well, I would
say it's a better job than ol Miss, but I

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wouldn't say it's a slam dunk. And what else I've learned,
just kind of getting closer to coaching searches and knowing
certain guys, is which job is better is very conditional
to which guy you're talking to. You know, there's, for example,
a type of person who would only coach in the
Big Ten. So to them, the Wisconsin job would be

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more desirable than the Florida job. Now to you and I,
just generic onlookers, we think that's insane. But that's because
our priority may be different than that person. So Lane
kiffen to reinsert him into the conversation for a second.
Does Lane look at Florida the same way a normal
person looks at Florida juxtaposed to Ole Miss? A normal

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person will say the Florida job is better than the
Old Miss job? Does Lane Kiffin think that he happens
to have the Old Miss job right now? And he's
doing very good at Ole Miss and has been very,
very very vocal lately about feeling woven into the fabric
of Oxford, Mississippi. I take him serious until proven otherwise.

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So I said last year that if that job came open,
I thought Lane would crawl over broken glass to get it.
I did feel that last year. I don't feel that
as strongly this year, although I would still make him
the favorite to be offered and accept the Florida job.
But by no means do I think that's a slam dump.

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By no means do I think that. And I've asked around.
I haven't asked Lane because I don't ask guys about
job related things during the season, but I've asked around
just to kind of gauge the temperature. I've asked a
lot of agents about this. I've asked them, do you think,
in his heart of hearts he one has an answer
to that question right now? Some of them have said yes,

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others have said no. So it's very much a wait
and see. But yeah, I think that's a Lane Kiffin job.
Don't overthink the room on that, and then if he
says no, then you adjust. But the Florida job, I'm
just telling you, if you've got any doubts, is very,
very coveted, and there are a lot of guys who
are probably thought to be pretty secure at their current
location that if offered the Florida job, would really have

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to think about taking the Florida job. Not me, of course,
because we're good at Payton State. But if we did
take that job, it'd be a short drive down to Gainesville. No,
that's a lie to take like ten hours to drive
down there from Nashville. We could do it fueled by
quick trip. We could do it. We could make it
down there. We made two stops yesterday, two stops, as

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it turns out, one of them was on the record.
One of them was a little off the record covert trip.
I'll talk about it later, but we went to Vanderbilt
on the record yesterday and the Vanderbilt game was amazing.
And I say the Vanderbilt game because they controlled the
whole thing. And we went right down the road here
in Nashville, Tennessee College Football City, USA as of basically

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the last two years, and we watched it. LSU was
in town. We watched Vandy, very very pumped crowd over there.
Amazing transformation in that stadium. By the way, for those
of you who have gone to a Vandy game like
eight years ago, you need to go. You need to
revisit Commodore Stadium over there. You need to revisit Vanderbilt Stadium.
Amazing looking very futuristic too, at least in the end zones.
So quick trip fueled us and we went there yesterday.

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I promised a historic tour announcement to start the show,
and the historic tour announcement is, to my knowledge, I
don't think we've ever gone to the same location back
to back weeks, but trends are made to be broken.
We are going back to Vanderbilt this week, Missouri in
Town against Vanderbilt Jesse. Is that a top fifteen matchup?

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I know Vanderbilts in the top ten this week? Has
drink upheld his end of the bargain. Is he in
the top fifteen? Yes he is. It's a top fifteen matchup.
Game days in Town. It's the game of the week.
But here's why I'm really doing this. Here's why I'm
being so demonstrative, rather because I think we'll get some
criticism for this. And what I'm really trying to do

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for Barton Simmons more so than for myself, is I'm
trying to bait someone into labeling me a Vandy Homer,
the allegations of Vanderbilt homrism. If I could get that
floated my way, I would enjoy it because I will
screenshot it to death and I will send it over
to that building and I will just say, see, I

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told you no one had your back more than me.
It was a great day yesterday. They made us want
to come back, let me put it that way, and
so we're going to be back there. And I've already
informed certain very very high profile people at Missouri, some
of whom are even pictured on this graphic. They are
winless with varying degrees of our tour in town. So

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something's got to give. Saturday, something's got to give. We'll
see Missouri in town. All right, let's continue. Alabama beat
Tennessee in the third Saturday in October last night, thirty
seven to twenty. Let me set the table here. I
would call this a three chali game. Pretty entertaining. How

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do I know we were there? How is that I
thought the Fall Don't Lie Tour was at Vanderbilt yesterday?
It was. However, some of you may or may not
know that I have entered into wedlock with Savannah State,
who worked for a long time in Alabama. And so
when our game is done by two o'clock Central, and

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there's another game in Tuscaloosa, Alabama that doesn't kick off
until six thirty, and we know we can get down there,
it turns out we're going. So we were down there.
That wasn't a ghost, That was me. A lot of
you guys interacted with last night. I wish people could
experience these games. Niland Stadium at night, it's amazing, Bryant
Denny's amazing, Sanford Stadium a few weeks ago, amazing. And
then you go to like Penn State, you go to

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ann Arbor, Eugene, like these places at night. As much
as your guy here loves a good big noon kickoff,
there's a lot of merit to witnessing these places at night.
And in this game in particular, you've got the cigar tradition,
and in this game in particular, when it's a three
possession game. They don't wait until the end of the
game to smoke the cigars. I had Bradley with me

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his first Alabama game, and poor little Bradley still coughing
today from smoke in elation. And I'm a veteran of
this game, so I've seen it in both buildings before.
Bradley was not ready. It looked like a little fawn
smelling cigar smoke in an open building like that for
the first time. So it was a good night for Alabama.
This run that Caylin de Boor is on, it's pretty amazing.

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I want you to go back, just me, b B
B hit the rewine button? Did I literally hit the
rewind button? Bradley? My bad. For those of you listening
on podcasts, about once every two weeks, our screen goes
blank and then we have to reset and it resets
pretty quick, but you can you can briefly just see
black on the monitor. And it just so happened to
coincide with when I did that with my finger. Okay,

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so let's hit the rewind button again. Meebe me me
me uh. It's it's the Sunday after Week one, the
Sunday after Bama lost to Florida State. I remember what
I thought. Do you remember what you thought? Because I
thought this is devastating. Number One, because I questioned the

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competitive character of the team. I didn't take that back.
I just have been have been given plenty enough results
to no longer question that. But I mean, we had
a one week sample size, Like what else were we
supposed to do? So the reason that was so devastating
is because you looked at this string of games that
was going to come up. They were going to go
at Georgia, Vandy, at Missouri Tennessee and that's a four

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game stretch there, and we thought South Carolina was going
to be better than they are, and that's still a
tough game. This Saturday they got to go to at
South Carolina. You asked yourself, you've removed a lot of
your margin for error. How are you going to be
able to go through this stretch and win every game? Well,
it turns out by winning every game at Georgia, Vandy,
at Missouri Tennessee. Deburn now nineteen and three in his

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career against ranked teams. It is in some ways that
anti James Franklin sort of stat they can throw in
your face the other names on this all time head
coach record versus AP ranked teams, Frank Leahy Pete Carroll,
Urban Meyern, Ryan Day on there just skip right over

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poor Jack Sutherland. So yeah, they're doing okay there, and
you know what they do. They keep adding layers. Alabama
keeps adding layers to their game. We always talk about this,
the contenders that end up being there at the end
of the season. One of the hallmarks is if you
go back in time, if you play their season in reverse,
it's almost like watching a book and you're flipping pages

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backwards because you're watching. As the season went on, they
added depth, they added layers, they added pages to their book,
so to speak. So early on we were questioning the
Alabama pass rush. Remember that, Well, last night four sacks,
eight tackles for loss. The last couple of weeks they've
had Kean Keeley come on last night, Yonz Pierre looks

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like he's just shot out of a cannon. He's been pressed,
he's been forced into action a little bit more. And
we talked about that group of former four and five
star guys in there too deep in the front seven preseason.
One of the big questions we had about Bama was
where's the pass rush going to come from. There's no
Dallas Turner as we can see it, there's no Will
Anderson as we can see it. Where's it going to

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come from? Starting to come, starting up, community, starting to
show up more and more. Thus the layering I continue.
They didn't give up a single sack last night. Tennessee
had done very well in that category and that offensive line.
Now they weren't road graders, they weren't opening up gashes
in the run game, but man, they for the most

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part gave ty Simpson time to work. And then another
layer that they started to add more and more. It
continued last night, is they've sort of come out flat
in second halves. The Georgia game, they needed a shutout
in the second half because they didn't really score. Last
week against Missouri, they didn't do a whole lot in
the second half. Well, last night they had ninety nine

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and seventy five yard touchdown drives in the second half.
So again, there was no one thing I just listed
there that's like night and day different than what Alabama's been.
They just keep adding layers, and I am a big
believer as you look at what they did offensively last
night that we have not really seen their offensive ceiling yet.

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And the reason I put it that way is because
Ty Simpson had a good night again. He was nineteen
to twenty nine, two fifty three, had a couple of touchdowns.
It's interesting their longest play was thirty one yards, but
they had eleven plays of fifteen plus yards and they
still couldn't run the ball traditionally. I mean, they have
to scratch and claw to get one hundred yards rushing,

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so there's no traditional ground game. Jeremy Bernard was their
leading rusher. I think Jesse Yeah, he was their leading rusher.
And yet still the offensive numbers scale, which is really
hard to do unless you've got a heck of a quarterback.
You got a really, really good stable of wide receivers,
and they continue to be able to scale their production
even though they don't really have a great ground game.

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Ryan Williams last night hands catching the ball. I talked
to JaMarcus Sheppard after the game on the field there
wide receivers coach at Alabama said he didn't drop a
ball all week. He didn't drop a ball in pregame
until the last one we threw to him, He dropped
it and then said, okay, let's go. He looked great
last night. He didn't have a catch last week, and

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he looked great last night. But Lotzier Brooks, young guy.
He started to come on more and more. Rico Scott,
one of the favorites of this show, has started to
come on a little bit more again, just layers being added.
So then you ask yourself, all right, well, what can
the offense become? To me? The offense becomes whatever the

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ground game allows it to become. Now without the ground game,
we see the potential with the ground game, which I
don't I think it's showing up right now, but could
theoretically probably wait until after the Carolina game and the
bye week and then November to show up. That's really
what will unlock the full potential of that offense to me.
But with Tennessee, I was talking to some people last

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night on the sideline and they said, do you kind
of feel like something's missing from Tennessee? Not a bad game,
Like offensively, it wasn't a bad game. There were some
very bad decisions made, but it wasn't like they got
stuffed or anything. But I said, yeah, I feel like
something's missing. I think it's called your quarterback bailed on
you after spring and your old offensive coordinator turned out

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to be a bona fide head coach, a star head
coach in the making in Alex Golish, And two of
those commodities have been plucked from that program the last
couple of years. And you don't just blindly backfill there.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. You don't.
So when we came into the season, I was a
little down on Tennessee relative to the public, relative to

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Tennessee fans, And we're kind of sitting here in the
balance right now of who's right because they do have
a more workable schedule they always did. But this is
kind of what my thinking was, and it was there's
certainly a defensive step back coming this year, and it's
been a fairly substantial setback, and they've had a lot

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of injury to to deal with. But I mean, Alex gold,
this is just hard to replace. It's been a couple
of years now, but he's hard to replace. Losing your
quarterback after spring ball, it's hard. It's just hard to
deal with that stuff. So what they haven't done is
they haven't had that year where you blend a great
offense and a great defense. We had the Hendon Hooker
year and great offense defense, and then you got like

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the Joe Milton year, and we got last year we
really where defense was great. But this year, this year
is the year where I could use the dominant defense
and it's not there necessarily. So one thing before we
move on here. It was a great atmosphere last night.
Unbelievable atmosphere. I mean, I don't know how you get
much better for Alabama just in terms of like recruiting

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and spectacles and stuff like that. But as great as
that was, I was listening to the post game last night.
I was listening to Kaitlin de Bor talk about how
after the Missouri game they didn't really even need to
talk about the twenty four hour rule. You know that's
the rule where when you win a game, you get
to enjoy it for twenty four hours then you move on. Well,
he said, last night, we didn't really even have to

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enforce it. We went up there and beat Missouri, but
guys were already locked in, they were ready to go
for this Tennessee game. Well, Buddy, I was around them
a fair amount last night they celebrated that Tennessee game.
They don't have a buy. Next week they go to
South Carolina, and that's the last game in this string
of games, and that's the one that's going to be
overlooked because South Carolina has struggled mightily as of late,

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and they're off the radar, and October is canceled. Well,
let me just remind you of something. Alabama as a
double digit favorite on the road has been terrible. Okay,
this is my national championship pick. So I cannot have
this happen. So if anyone needs to doubt them, I'll
suck it up. I'll doubt him. You got a bye
week on deck, still a little banged up, You're going

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on the road. Obvious wounded animal spot for the home
underdog here. You're a double digit favorite. Teams have victimized
you multiple times already in Dibor's tenure at Alabama. So
I think October is canceled. But October could come right
back to live Saturday. Okay, by my calendar, it's still

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going to be October. Thus October you're going to play
in Columbia. They need to save their season. Let's just
be careful. How about that. Next up, very entertaining game
here Georgia forty three, Ole Miss thirty five. I got
to call this a for Chali game. I mean, I

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applaud with the paper pops. You gotta cut the head
off the snake. It's the number one rule about Georgia football.
On this show. We try and preach it over and
over and over again. It does not matter how vulnerable
they look. It does not matter how gettable Georgia looks.
It does not matter how off their vintage pace they
may look. You have got to take the snake and

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cut the head off, just clean cut, or else it's
going to continue to bite you. And it looked for
all the world like Old Miss was a root to
doing it yesterday, except they didn't. They hit it with
the shovel, but it was an uneven and they didn't
quite hit it flush. And there's Georgia just biting you
in the end. It's a reminder of what I admire
so much about Kirby Smart. Many many things I admire

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about Kirby. One of the most important things is they
are so comfortable no matter what uncomfortable position you put
them in. Old school Kirby Smart, Georgia teams want to
suffocate you, and they're very comfortable playing these defensive slugfests,
and that is just not the mo of this team
this year. And to be honest, that's kind of not

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the direction college football has gone. And you've got your
depth edge that's evaporated a little bit, so you can't
just roll out second stringers that are going to go
on to play on Sunday. Some third stringers is going
to go on to play on Sunday. So what do
you have. We got two situations already this year where
you've had to outscore somebody. You had to do it
in Kneeland against Tennessee and yesterday you had to do

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it because if you were to have told me Friday
that Ole Miss was going to score five straight touchdowns
to start this game and still lose, I would have
been pretty beside myself. I would have done the math
and I would have said thirty five points. I mean, mathematically,
I think Georgia can still score enough. But who now?

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I will say this, going back and watching this game,
I think there was a lot of criticism of the
defensive game plan here from Kirby and Glenn Human. I
think they knew what they were doing, which is a shocker,
I know. I just think they put together a game
plan that demanded a game of the year performance from
Gunner Stockton and they got it. So they knew Man

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with the way they played ole Miss, they knew Number one,
we're gonna take away the run, which they did. Ole
Miss had twenty four carries for eighty eight yards. That's
a season low for them. They were gonna trade off,
given ole Miss some stuff underneath, and they did, and
ole Miss got theirs. And you're probably gonna give up
some scores when you do that, but you're gonna make
them sustain drives. You're gonna limit the possessions. But in turn,

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you got to have your quarterback go off and Buddy,
he was twenty six of thirty one for two eighty
nine another fifty nine on the ground. He had five
touchdowns eighty four percent completion percentage. And think about a
Georgia fan watching that less than twenty four hours after
they watched Carson Beck toss four picks from Miami. Had

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to be a very very weird fever dream, I know.
But George also ran it forty nine times for two
hundred and twenty one yards. So it was a very
high scoring game. But in the end what I said
in the game preview kind of played out. It was
one of those we are Georgia moments. It was one
of those we just got to remind you sometimes who
we are and what we do now. In the past

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that would have meant ole Miss just gets completely crow barred.
Well that's not this Georgia team. But what this Georgia
team can still do is they can still rectify the
areas that they needed to. So take yourself back to
spring again. Whooo woo woo woo woo woo. Rewind button
the two things that Georgia's season would hinge upon. What

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did we say? Number one, they were not all that
great defensively last year stopping to run, Well, they held
ole Miss under one hundred in this game. And number two,
they themselves could not run the ball worth anything last year. Well,
they ran it for two hundred and twenty one yards
in this game, plenty good enough. As it turns out.

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I've been waiting for more tight end involvement from them,
by the way, and yesterday lost and Lucky had as
many catches in this game as he had all season,
and Oscar Delp I think had four as well, so
that's wonderful. But this drive charts wild field goal, touchdown, touchdown,
field goal, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, kneel? Is that right, Jesse?

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They scored on every drive. Pretty efficient? Pretty efficient? Are
we trashing Mike Bobo today? Are we gonna let it slide? Today?
We're gonna let it. We're gonna slide this week? Okay,
I'm being told. I'm being told Bobo can stand another week. Okay,
all right, good for Mike. Every touchdown drive was over
sixty five yards. By the way, this wasn't a Texas situation.
Texas had one touchdown yesterday it was like seven yards. Now.

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Georgia did it the harder way, not the hard way,
the hard dir way, Ole miss. Actually, I thought halfway
validated themselves yesterday. I say halfway intentionally. That wasn't just
a filler word. The offense scaled versus Georgia, so that's
always good. They haven't played quality competition yet, and especially
on the road. All due respect to Kentucky, but going

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into Georgia was kind of where you were going to
get a lot better test of Trinidad Chamblay's and you
were going to get a lot better test of this team.
Even if it wasn't a vintage Georgia team, it's still
Kirby Smart, it's still playing him. In Athens and Trinidad,
Chambliss played very well and they Georgia took away the
run and still needed forty to beat you. So it's

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not going to look perfect against Georgia. It never does.
I thought they validated themselves. Here was the problem. It
goes back again to spring. See a lot of you
watched the show during the season, but what you don't
know is we do the show year round, and you're
not wasting your time watching the show in the spring.
Because as sure as we talked about Georgia, we talked
about ole Miss too, and we said there's certainly going

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to be defensive regression here. The question is not if
they regress, it's how much. Well, we're starting to have
our answer. They were fourteenth in total defense last year.
To this point, they are sixty sixth in the country.
They are a dangerous team because they can score. They're
a vulnerable team. They can be scored upon. And that's
not the only team in the SEC I could describe

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like that. Right now, their season though at ole Miss,
I think hinges on the same thing get hinged on
last year Kentucky. Now, you may think to yourself, that
makes no sense. They already played Kentucky. Yeah, I know.
And at this point last year they had already played
Kentucky and they lost, which meant every subsequent loss was
all the more detrimental. Well, they scratched out a win

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over Kentucky this year and because of that, yesterday doesn't
kill them. Now, think about yesterday within the context of
having loss to Kentucky. Imagine if that was your second loss,
second conference loss as well. A whole lot different world,
isn't it. So I think ole Miss is still a
playoff team this year. Now, they got to take care
of business, but I think there's still a playoff team

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because of the Kentucky game. George is in a really
good spot. They got third best odds to win the
conference right now, Ole Miss fifth best odds for the record,
Alabama Texas and m Georgia Texas in that order. The
FanDuel cannot quit Texas no matter how hard they try.
They have not watched the Kentucky game yesterday, by the way,
So George is four and one in the SEC right now,

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they're remaining conference opponents. Remember their schedules a little different.
They got Florida interim head coach, They got at Mississippi State,
and then they got Texas in Athens on November fifteenth,
and then they're done with conference play. They got Charlotte
and Georgia Tech final two weeks. Just got to peak
at the right time. Just got to peak at the
right time. Remember, I know this Georgia team looks far

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(35:03):
we continue. So a lot of games to get to.
I'm going to talk about Hugh Freeze in a little while.
I'm gonna talk about Mike Norvel in a little while.
But in the meantime, Notre Dame beat USC again thirty
four to twenty four. Really entertaining game. I would put
three and a half tily on this game. It kind

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of read out like song lyrics to me, I have
written down here bright sunshine or pouring rain, la or
south bend, Notre Dame will be Notre Dame, and USC
can't do much about it. Now. It doesn't rhyme, but
I think set to the right tune, it perfectly encapsulates
what we saw yesterday. Notre Dame was in survival mode.

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USC was in statement mode. Remember the stance I took
last week was that Michigan wins, not a statement. That
was just a good, solid performance. It was very, very welcome.
But the statement would be going on the road, nasty,
rainy conditions, more physical team, two time zones away, maybe three,
go beat Notre Dame. That's the statement. And we ended

(36:09):
up getting nearly the exact game we predicted. And if
you don't believe me, Bradley has evidence, roll it, Bradley
until further notice. The edge that the Notre Dames of
the world have on you is they're bigger and faster
and stronger than you. They're deeper than you, they're tougher
than you. Just all the stuff that you read on

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the back of the college football serial box. That's the
edge that Notre Dame has on you. And the thing
that sucks about that is they're gonna say it about
you until you prove otherwise. Yesterday, USC, with an opportunity
to prove otherwise, gives up forty four carries for three
hundred and six yards three touchdowns, So I mean that's

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not quite a quarter of a mile. But Notre Dame
ran all day Southern cal twenty nine carries for sixty
eight yards. They're very banged up at the tail position.
But not every team is what they're gonna be in
week one, and I think Notre Dame is a perfect
encapsulation of that. So Notre Dame played Miami week one,
they fought them to the wire, they lost, They had

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to buy. In Week two, they played A and M.
In week three, they had to shootout with them, played
them to the wire. Lost. Then the big question became,
all right, well are they going to just string off
some wins now against anonymous teams but we don't really
know who they are? Are they gonna get their act
together but also win these games and since it's not
against quality competition, we don't know who they are. Well,

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to me, yesterday was the most solid indication yet that
a couple of things can kind of be valid. They
deserve criticism for losing the early games, they deserve credit
for scheduling those games and then criticism for losing them.
I guess that's a better way to put it. But
I mean, if you can't see improvement defensively as of
late from Notre Dame, if you can't see that as

(37:56):
a team, the performance level is scaling a bit. I
don't think you're watching Notre Dame. And by the way,
it's not like CJ. Carr went off in this game.
He had one hundred and thirty six passing yards. It
was raining, it was a rainstorm, one touchdown, one pick.
But if Notre Dame can put up those kind of
rushing numbers, Notre Dame's going to be Okay. Notre Dame
is going to be in any game they play. It's

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yet another team and I'm mentioning this with a few
of them tonight. It's another team where I don't particularly
care how they looked in September. I care, but I
don't care to the extent that that's the book on them.
Bad teams. Yeah, that's the book on them. They'll never
get better. This is an elite coaching staff. It's a

(38:38):
very very good collection of talent, and it's potentially a
very multifaceted team. A lot of different ways to beat you.
So if they peak at the right time, if they
continue to surge here and continue to add layers to themselves,
they'll be okay. They'll be a player. Remember they've been
there before. They were there in that championship game last year.

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So they get more and more dangerous as the weeks
go on. They don't have a bunch of landmines on
their schedule. I'm not the biggest fan of the way
it's set up. That doesn't matter because if Notre Dame
is the real deal, they'll make the playoff and then
they'll face playoff caliber teams, so that all solves itself.
This is kind of where USC should be if you
really think about it. This is a very very it's

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a very nuanced opinion. This is not where you should be.
What is it this fifth year, Jesse, fourth or fifth
year for Lincoln? You should be further along this deep
into a head coach's tenure. Full stop. All right, Gavel
comes down on that statement. We start a new statement.
But if you acknowledge that Lincoln acknowledged his shortcomings last

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year before last season, and he did the whole reset
button and he hired new personnel, and he instituted this
whole new philosophy. And then they went and got Chad
ironically from Notre Dame Chad Bowden to or Chad Boden
to be the general manager there. And you're in the
middle of a reset out there, then it should take
a little while. Now. The million dollar question was always

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will the fan base have the patience? Cause I kind
of said, all right, if you're willing to hit the
reset button three or four years in, you got to
give another two years. If you accept that philosophy, then
they're right where they should be. Mayava was okay yesterday
twenty two to forty two, three twenty eight, two touchdowns,
but he also threw two picks, kind of like they
did last year. They can't be balanced enough because they

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could not run the ball, and defensive personnel's not ready
for this yet. That makes sense. That's where they should be.
Now you keep stacking a different caliber of athlete out there,
and maybe that's different next year. Their last four drives
they couldn't finish, interception, fumble, turnover, on downs, interception, So
that makes sense. That makes it. It's a really good

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reality check for where you are. It makes sense. It's
not a conference game. Your season's not over. You got Oregon, Nebraska,
Northwestern Iowa, and Ucla. You got five conference games left.
You're a one loss team out there. All your goals
are still in front of you, just like Notre Dame.
I think I think Notre Dame's goals are still in
front of them. It is my opinion that if Notre

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Dame wins out there in the playoff. Not everyone shares
that opinion. But okay, bigger question. Not only do they
win these final five games? Do they continue ascending as
they play the final five games? Their toughest remaining opponent,
by our estimation, is at Pitt. But again, it's college
football twenty twenty five, so anything can happen. We continue. Oh,

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I forgot kind of got to talk about Brian Kelly too,
don't we. I was at Vanderbilt yesterday thirty one to
twenty four. Vandy beats LSU is a favorite. Vandy played
like a favorite. Vandy ends up winning the game. We
were at the game. We were fueled by quick trip
every step of the way. Drove a whole mile and
a half to get over there. It is so important

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to use proper context on this game. So firstly, let's
give it three and a half t I very fun environment,
very entertaining. We got treated great, so much so that
we're going back this weekend. But it's important to use
proper context because this was not a bad LSU team.
It wasn't a fluke outcome. It's not like Vandy's plus

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four turnovers and oh that explains it, that's how it happened.
It's none of that's You've got Vanderbilt, who is the
better football team, and they won a game at home.
It's no different than a million other examples in major
college football. It's just that you're not used to Vanderbilt
being mentioned in major college football, but they are now.

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Things have radically changed there, so they are now. So
if you didn't watch the game and you're just seeing
the outcome, I know what a million years of college
football history has taught you, and it is if Vanderbilt
wins a game against LSU, you got to get an
explanation for how it happened. The only explanation is they're
better than LSU. That's the only explanation you need. They

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were better yesterday and they are a better team than LSU.
Vandy use strengths to their advantage. They used the bye
week to their advantage. They out rushed LSU two thirty
nine to one hundred. And that's where LSU having a
fifty one yard run mixed in there. Outside of the
one explosive, this sounds like a Michigan take. Outside of
the one explosive, they didn't do much on the ground
at all. Pavia ran it seventeen times for eighty six yards.

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They had a sixty seven to forty nine plays run
at vantage. LSU did not even run fifty plays. LSU
was held to eight drives. I was talking to some
LSU coaches on the field before the game. One of
the things they were most keenly aware of is you
should see analytically how LSU compares to other teams with

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how many drives they limit you to. It's not like
they weren't aware of it. They just got sucked into
playing a Vandy game anyway, and Vandy, outside of those
two red zone turnovers, itinst Alabama and those count. But
like if you flip any of that, be an undefeated team.
They've got a very clear identity. They are physical, they

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are a high quality SEC team right now. They are
a threat to go to Atlanta. They are a threat
to make the College Football Playoff. They've got Missouri coming
into town this weekend. College Game Day is in Nashville.
The Fall Don't Lie Tour is in Nashville. Do you
know what it's like to finally have a top ten

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team in our backyard where we don't have to get
on an airplane and go all over the country. It's phenomenal.
So thank you Clark Lee, thank you Barton Simmons, and
thank you everyone else over there. I would name everybody
in the building, but actually we can go as long
as we want to on the show. But still it
would be irresponsible. I'm going to talk about Brian Kelly
in a second, but look, LSU's offense is what it is.

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It's pretty inexcusable. I thought a couple of years ago
they had Jaden Daniels down there and LSU not being
able to play competent defense was just so inexcusable cause
it's LSU. Well then they got that fixed by hiring
American hero Blake Baker. Although defense sprung a leak of
time or two yesterday, Diego Pavio will do these things

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to you, but by and large. They can't run the ball.
Outside of last week, which turned out to be just
a blip on the radar screen, a little faint heartbeat
of success running the ball against South Carolina, they've had nothing.
They had one explosive run yesterday and otherwise could do
nothing on the ground, which led to inconsistency, which led

(45:31):
to imbalance, which led to here we go again, Garrett
Nussmeyer trying to do too much because he's being asked
to do too much and he's far less than one
hundred percent. Anybody's naked eye or naked eye, as Mima
would say, can see this. Last year. Whatever his season
high in passing yards was this year's season high, he

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achieved eight times last year. So it's not And it's
like an apples to bowling balls comparison this year to
last year. Their ninety first and explosive plays. They're a
sugar high offense. That's basically what they are like yesterday.
When they get like the freak occurrence, the explosive run there,
it is there, it is there, it is It's a
sugar high offense. There's no consistency to it. That's why

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we keep making such a big deal about Alabama. Alabama
can't run the ball all that great either. Alabama is
still a high functioning offense. LSU can't run the ball,
and it kind of turns into a disaster, and it
did again yesterday, not a disaster to the extent where
they didn't have a chance to win, but I mean,
think about what we're talking about here now. This is
supposed to be a national championship caliber program this year.

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This team this year was supposed to be an SEC
national championship caliber team, and they're having a fight just
to stay in it at Vanderbilt. And that's no disrespect
to Vanderbilt. It is an indictment on where LSU's team
is this year. So where's the program? Where's the program?
Where are things with Brian Kelly? I didn't beat around

(47:05):
the bush with this last week. I kind of did
only cause I don't like making definitive statements on this
stuff because very frequently it's not definitive, it's fluid. I
was getting some pretty strong indication last week this Vanderbook
game was very, very important for Brian Kelly's future down there. Well,
they lost it and then they flew back home. So

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now what's the situation with Brian Kelly. Well, I viewed
yesterday as sort of an inflection point. It was different
than you know, Hugh Freeze or Mike Norvel with Brian Kelly.
Brian Kelly wasn't going to lose the Vanderbilt game and
then lose his job the next day. But what I
believe is there are some things coming down the road
for Brian Kelly that were put in motion yesterday. Now

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Here's what I suspect is going on in that building today.
What I suspect is going on is you've got maybe
an athletic director and maybe a head coach and maybe
some other power players who sit down kind of a
meeting of the mind and are kind of a meeting
of the minds and you assess the situation. This happens frequently.
It's not an LSU thing, and it's pretty obvious that

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there are some fundamental flaws here. It's very obvious that
there was a hireedt offensive coordinator for a guy probably
not qualified to hold that job. Now. I like Joe
Sloan as a person. I like him. I have very
very much been hesitant to throw Joe Sloan under the
bus because Number one, Joe Sloane is working from a

(48:32):
kind of hamstrung position himself. But number two, if you
think Joe Sloane is the worst offensive coordinator in history,
he didn't hire himself. As my point, so I really
stopped short of throwing people under the bus when they're
underachieving if we're not going to acknowledge who put them
in the position they'rein. So that's Brian Kelly. And then

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to take it a step further, you could come back
at me from fifty thousand foot and say, yeah, Josh,
but if you're gonna be critical of that move, don't
you have to give credit for Blake Baker at defensive
coordinator or Austin Thomas where he is, or any even
number of other really good moves that they've made lately. Well,
if you've also listened to this show, I've been careful

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with how I've worded that, because I haven't really given
Brian Kelly credit for those moves, because they weren't Brian
Kelly's moves. They were organizational moves. This right here is
Brian Kelly move. So Brian Kelly's pressed some wrong buttons
down there, and he's pressed some right ones. Dude, I've
been a big supporter Brian Kelly. Okay, so everyone knows
that about me. I've been called a Kelly Homer on

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this show. But for that crowd out there that just
wanders fairly around the internet thinks we never criticize anyone, well,
this is Brian Kelly criticism. So I imagine if I
know Brian Kelly from a distance, like I think I do,
that Brian Kelly is presented with the fact that his

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offensive coordinator's not good enough, his offensive product is not
good enough, and while his job is not immediately in jeopardy,
he needs to make changes, especially if they lose this Saturday,
he needs to make changes now. He could either make
those changes or he could look and say no, and frankly,

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I don't know which direction you'll go, but I do
think that's the situation down there right now. I do
think that's the dynamic down there right now. And I
think Brian Kelly, probably if we gave him this microphone,
would have a pretty strong case for why he thinks.
There's a million other problems down there that aren't related
to Joe Sloan. But at the end of the day,
offenseve coordinator is an issue. There and there's a little stubbornness,

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probably from the head of that program to admit that.
And I don't really know where it's going to end.
But I will say, Bradley, if you could throw LSU's
schedule up again for just a second, I will say this,
They're not out of anything. It's a very weird situation
right now. LSU is five and two. If they went out,
they're in the playoff. They may be in Atlanta. But

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even if they're not, because they got two conference losses,
they'd be in the playoff. I mean, what are we
gonna do fire a guy who, for all we know
could be headed to the playoff. I don't think they are,
because I don't think they're done losing, but they haven't
lost yet, so all that action is forced in the future.
A and M comes in there Saturday, they go to
Alabama after the bye. Arkansas is one of the offenses

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i'd least like to face right now, and then they
go to Oklahoma to finish the season. They're probably more
losses coming here. We had LSU going eight and four
preseason and we got drug for it, and I think
they're gonna go eight and four. That's where I think
they're gonna finish up. It's not good enough, shouldn't be
good enough. But the LSU situation is very unique. They

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don't have a president right now. I mean, so you know,
if you even if you want to fire Brian Kelly,
who in the world's gonna fire him? Who's gonna sign
off on it? I think they'll have one in there
by like mid November. But I mean, are we really saying,
welcome new president, pull this, get rid of our head coach.
That stuff's easier said than done. However, remember the climate
we're in. We're in a climate where we're going to

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see big time moves all over the place. Penn State's
done it, Florida's done it. They're not the last ones,
They're just the latest ones. There is a world where
LSU does make this move, but not right now. There
need to be more losses. If there are wins instead
of losses, it's a moot point. I don't think there
will be wins unless there are fundamental changes made about
the offensive structure of that team, and I question whether

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Brian Kelly will be willing to make those moves. Therefore,
that's why I think the losses will come Here's what
I think it comes down to. If it comes to that,
LSU needs to be aware of what they already have
in hand if they make a move. Penn State did
not do this. I don't think Penn State had the
slightest clue who was available to them before they fired Franklin.

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They just fired Franklin. LSU needs to be smarter than that.
LSU is one of the best jobs in America. LSU.
Some people would call it the best job in college football.
It is a slam dunk top five job in college football.
And I said it about Florida. I will say it
even more emphatically about LSU. I think you'd be fairly
shocked given the right circumstances, as to who would take

(53:18):
that job if offered. It's not open right now, and
they're five and two with their destiny, their playoff destinies
in their own hands. But it's very shaky times down
in Baton Rouge right now. Candidly, just speaking honestly here,
it is good for business at Payton State when LSU wins.

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LSU is the reason this show exists like it does.
I've told the story about twenty nineteen many times, so
when it comes time to be critical of LSU, I
never shy away from it. And it is for a
selfish reason because I badly want LSU to win, badly
want LSU to win, and I will not lie and
pretend like everything's okay when it's not. Everything's not okay

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at LSU. It hasn't been for a while. I I
just I questioned the long term sustainability. That's what I question.
Let's move on, speaking of it's that kind of show.
It's still October. It's that kind of show. I don't
know how late you stayed up last night, but I
was sitting in an airport terminal in Tuscaloosa until the

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wee hours of the morning, waiting for weather to move through.
And that is where I watched Stanford beat Florida State.
What Yes, Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Florida State, the team
that drug Alabama in week one is now three and four.
Mike Norvel has nine straight acc losses. How how in

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the world does that happen? Pete Nakos roaming the halls
earlier today here in this very building, said earlier. Decision
makers are holding informal calls to discuss Mike Norvel's future translation,
do we want to fire him? You don't need to
debate whether this performance is fireable. Of course it is.

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Of course it's not good enough. But that's why buyouts exist.
Buyouts are baked into contracts. Well, number one to fleece
athletic directors jackpot, and number two to make sure there
are no knee jerk emotional decisions that are made because
those decisions cost a lot of money. Well, here we are.
We've got a decision that would cost a whole lot

(55:31):
of money. In fact, fifty four million dollars looks to
be the buyout. And when you add it all up,
the cost that it takes to get rid of an
entire staff, the cost to hire a new staff, FSU
is having to make about one hundred million dollar decision
here do they want to make that decision? Can they
afford to make that decision? One of the key debate
topics over on war Chant earlier today, because I was
looking at the message board is can we afford to

(55:53):
Mike nor Can we afford to fire Mike Norvel? And
of course the logical follow up is can we afford
not to fire Mike NORVEO? I have no idea. What
the future is here, because it's not built on anything.
And yet again I have to preface all this with
we went down there in the spring. We had Mike

(56:15):
on the show, and I said last week, and I
will say again this week, I think they exhausted every
option that they thought they could exhaust. He made new hires.
I think they pressed thirty seven different buttons after last year.
And I fully believe to this moment that he was
adamant when he said, I believe we made the right moves,

(56:37):
just like with Napier. He said, I believe me calling
plays gives us the best chance to win. Both of
those guys. I believe we're being fully honest when they
said down on the show, I think Billy was wrong
and he's lost his job because of that. I don't
know that Mike was able to press enough buttons to
change last year in one year. The problem here is

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what's the future built on. Let's say let's say I
retain Mike Norvea, give him another year. What am I
giving him another year to do? I know my donors
aren't going to invest in nil because they already have.
And this is what we've got, and we don't have
a future built on in house recruiting. We've got a
future built on the portal. We're just going to portal
every year. So there's really no sustainable model here. And

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I have the one result in twenty twenty three, it
looks to clearly be the outlier. Twenty twenty two he
went ten and three. Twenty twenty three was thirteen to one,
and since then he's won five games combined over a
year and a half. And it's not good enough. The
Florida State job is an interesting conversation. It's interesting because

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James Franklin just got fired at Penn State and he's
just hanging out down there at thirty eight on the
Florida Gulf Coast, where everyone except me tends to hang out.
I'm a Panama City beach guy. Can't hide it, can't
hide it. But James Franklin's just down the road. What
if you could have James Franklin today, because you can

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if your job's open. Would that be an upgrade? I
think it would be an upgrade. Would it be a fit? Yeah,
I think it'd be a fit. Would he take it
in a heartbeat? That's the conversation that I've heard today.
Now there's some other names out there. I'll let Nakos
report on that. There are some other names I've heard,
maybe interest, maybe not. You also don't know, like what's

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the future of the ACC, what's the future of Florida
State as a program. Those are questions you have to
ask there that you don't have to ask, like if
you're taking a big ten job or an SEC job. Now,
I think they'll be fine, Like Florida State's going to
be fine. Whatever situation arises, they'll end up on the
better end of it. But you like to know all
the external factors, all the unknowables. You largely like to

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have in order, and you may not have that, but look,
if you're James Franklin, you're taking that job. So the
bottom line is, and I think we're gonna get movement
on this pretty quickly one way or the other. Either
they're gonna back him and they're gonna get behind him,
or they're gonna let him go. They got to buy
week this upcoming week. My guess is they're gonna let
him go. My guess is Mike Norvelle is gonna be

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done at Florida State. That's the best information I have
and again, think about what we're in the middle of.
They're not done losing games, obviously, so if it's not
this week, it'll be eventually. Think about what we're in
the middle of. Think about how many big jobs are
coming open. It's insane. You never could have predicted this.

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I was talking to someone last night who is intimately
like in the weeds on this stuff, and he said,
we don't know. It's a day to day thing. Like
if you were to, he said, if you were to
have told me seventy two hours ago what I'm hearing
right now, I would have thought you were crazy. Seventy
two hours ago. He's right, He's right, Let's move on.

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I don't want to do this, but I'm gonna do it.
I'm a brave, brave little toaster. Tonight, I was aware
of what happened Friday night. I wanted to duck it,
and I hoped everyone would just forget that Louisville beat Miami.
But in the interest of the Commissioner's poll having Miami
number one, a lot of you have seen fit to
continue to fill my dms with reminders that Miami, my

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number one team, fell and I just want to remind you.
I have no plans to apologize for having them number one.
I mean it was a good game, at least three
and a half child I I think we had it
rated on the one to five scale. You remember Thursday
night we do upset alerts, which apparently none of our
haters watched because we circled this game. It was the

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first one we talked about. Was actually the last one
because it was going to happen on a Friday, but
it was the first one we did in house. We
broke it down and we said, if we get a
Miller Moss ceiling game, you got that combined with the
most underrated head coach in the mayor er a Louisville
can beat Miami. Well, Louisville beat Miami because we say
it every year. Jeff Brom is a top ten head
coach period, which begs the question what a top ten

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head coach? Well, if that's true, why is he not
involved in any more of these coaching searches? That's a
great question everyone. Why isn't Jeff Brohm's name involved in
more of these coaching searches? I'll tell you why, Because
Jeff Brom doesn't really care to appeal to anyone. He
just kind of is who he is. He's coaching at
his all modern. He's in no hurry to get out

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of there. He'll stay at Louisville forever if he wants to.
But Jeff Brom's not the kind of guy that takes
a lot of time sprucing up his resume. Jeff Bram
is not the kind of guy who spends two and
a half hours in front of the mirror making sure
he looks good for a potential employer. Now, just I
am who I am. I'm Jeff Brom. Deal with it.

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Oh oh, that's a little rough around the edges. We
can't hire that Jeff Brom. That's not a sexy name.
I'm sorry, I forgot. It's about more than winning football
games around here anyway. Miller Moss just two forty eight
and two touchdowns, added a rushing touchdown, and he got
it out quick. Immunity Miami had no time to get
pressure on him. They had one sack the whole night.

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It is snap pulled throw. It works, as it turns out,
it works. Huge game from Chris Bell here. They're a
number one wide receiver, which just I want you to
store that in the back of your mind. As Miami
gets down the road, you know they're gonna face They
may face Ryan Williams, they may face Jeremiah Smith, they
may face Mario Craver, Casey Concepcion. Just lets you know

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what a stud receiver can do against that secondary, So
keep that in mind. I thought Miami was a toolbox offense.
Those are those offenses where we think they have multiple
ways they can beat you. They ran the ball good
against Notre Dame, they ran it against Florida. They got
shut down against Louisville two point six yards per carry.
It's kind of like an LSU game. They couldn't run it. Therefore,

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they had to ask the quarterback to do too much,
and Carson Beck threw interceptions all night. Could have thrown
more through four of them could have thrown more. The
one thing I hated watching Miami last year was cam Ward,
But not cam Ward. What I hated was watching everyone
wait for him to do something. When you got enough
elite athletes, there ought to be a different guy that

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pops off the screen every week, and last year that
wasn't the case. And a little bit the other night
I felt like that watching Miami. So it's one loss.
Everything's still in front of him and it could be
good for him, But I'm not gonna say it will
be good for him because they have to make that
decision again. There are one hundred and fourth in penalties
this year. They were one hundred and twentieth last year,

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so that's popping up again. This is I think the
best team they've had. It's the collection that has the
best potential that Mario has had. Let me put it
that way. But a lot of people were throwing this
tweet in my face that I posted a couple of
weeks ago after the Florida State game. I said no
team in the country looks like Miami, and they thought

(01:04:02):
that I was going to backtrack on that. No team
does look like Miami physically. I've watched them play like
I've watched I've stood there and watched Ohio State from
fifteen feet away. I've watched Miami. Miami's got freak shows
all over the place. So does Ohio State. Ohio State's
not taking a big back seat. I'm just saying Miami's

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insane looking. Looking and playing are two different things. That's
why I didn't say there's no team that's as good
as Miami. I said, there's no team that looks like Miami.
They're gonna say that's word play. I know what they're
gonna say. That's an indictment on them to look like that,
the whole Tarzan Jaye thing. To look like that and

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still give me those results. See that's where Ohio State
gets you, because Ohio State's not having those games at
least this year so far. Ohio State just goes and
puts the pillow over everyone's face, and Miami's like, uh,
Louisville Friday night, Okay, I guess we'll show up. So
there's a ways to go down there, ways to go.

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I have it the AP pole. It's out and good
on the AP pole. I've got some criticisms here, but
good on the AP pole because it looks more and
more like the Commissioner's pole every week. And aside from Miami,
that little snafu, having them number one last week, that's
a good thing, generally a good thing. So Michigan's number
twenty five, huh yesterday? No sooner had they disposed of

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Washington before our boy Taylor Lawan texted me, we may
be back. You may be, you're back in the ap
pole there, not dead quite yet. Five and two. So
we'll see Arizona State's twenty four big win for them
against Texas Tech, Illinois, Texas and Cincinnati twenty three, twenty
two to twenty one. Look, I know that you have

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to judge these teams relatively. Tech was horrific looking yesterday,
but they won. They won. I'll get to that game
in a little while. They won, I want to say,
but okay, that means Texas shouldn't be in the top
ten or fifteen. Twenty two is probably still right for them.
But trust me, when when I first saw Texas was

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ranked twenty two, I could have sworn that I was
gonna lobby for teams to be over them. I got one,
I got what about what about Navy? I gotta be
honest with you. I'm not doing the Commissioner's poll until Thursday.
I got to give a very very close look at Navy.
Navy is Navy's looking good? Man and Navy, I know

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comparison wise, like we're gonna do the strength of schedule thing,
and I know that their best win. Even some of
these teams with losses, they still have a better win
than Navy's best win. I get all that, but let's
just I think the AP had him like twenty eight
or twenty ninth. I'm gonna give a solid look at Navy.
What about LSU drop in ten spots to number twenty?

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Is that fair? Is that right? Probably not if you
believe in Vanderbilt's ranking. However, I don't think the AP
believes in Vanderbilt's ranking, so I believe that LSU gets
punished a little bit more for losing to Vanderbilt than
they would have been had they lost to Notre Dame
or Miami or someone like that. Louisville's nineteen USF is eighteen.

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Tennessee drops six spots to seventeen. Virginia is sixteen. Virginia
is kind of quiet right now. They are in prime
position to go to the ACC Championship game. I just
want everyone to realize that Missouri is at fifteen, and
here's the team I want to talk about. Texas Tech
is at fourteenth. They dropped seven spots because they took

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their backup quarterback on the road and lost to Arizona
State yesterday. Now I don't have a problem with them
dropping I want you to pay attention to what this
could mean. A lot of times, what we find is
as we get later and later in the season, the
ap VODOR thinking is pretty much in line with the
Playoff Committee thinking. If that tracks this year, then you're

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starting to see an indication of what the Big twelve
is in their mind. Cause Texas Tech has been the
best team in the Big twelve. Okay, they lose a
game yesterday, very competitive on the roads, a one possession game,
and they drop seven spots. So they're now behind Oklahoma,
They're behind Vanderbilt, they're behind Miami, They're behind a lot

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of these teams. And is that the perception of the
Big twelve. That's just a little question to keep in
mind as we keep on going calls. The other thing
to look at, So Oklahoma's thirteenth, think about Notre Dame
and BYU twelve and eleven, respectively. Notre Dame is a
two lost team and they're right behind Brigham Young. Brigham

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Young's undefeated. They're up four spots. So that's basically the message.
You've got to be undefeated in the Big twelve right
now to sniff the top ten, and otherwise we're gonna
have two law power teams right there on your heels.
I think that's the perception of the Big twelve. Vandy
is a top ten team for the first time since
nineteen forty one. And by the way, who could forget

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that forty one Vandy team. Vandy is doing things they
have quite literally not done in the color television era.
World War One was the number one topic on this
World War two was the number one topic on this show.
The last time Vanderbilt was ranked in the top ten unbelievable.

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Show was only a couple of years old at that point.
And they play in Missouri this weekend. Miami has down
seven spots. They're at number nine, Ole miss is eight,
Georgia Tech is seven, Georgia Tech's up five spots to seven,
and Oregon is six. Now here's my question, Miami and Oregon.
Oregon ahead of Miami, justified or not. I'm not asking

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who you would favor on a neutral field. That's for
the JP poll. Do we think that Oregon's resume is
better than miamiamis because I look at Orgon's resume. You've
got the Penn State win, which I'm not devaluing. I've
told you I'm not devaluing that, so that win still
carries maximum value to me. I don't blame Oregon for
Penn State suffering the effects of the Oregon laws. I
credit Oregon for that. So I'm actually very optimistic. I'm

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very pro Oregon Penn State win. However, I've also watched
Miami beat Notre Dame and beat USF. So if you
believe Notre Dame is the twelfth best team in the
country and USF's the eighteenth best team in the country,
don't they have a better resume than Oregon. I don't know.
It's not huge separation. I just found out a little puzzling.

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Georgia is five, Alabama is four A and m is three,
and then Indiana and Ohio State are two and one.
The top six right now are all sec Big ten.
So I know what the immediate reaction there is, uh
favoritism who belong in there over them? If you're using

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blind resume comparative analysis, So forget about the conference a
team is in use blind resume, who really belongs in
there over those teams. I also want to remind you,
going back to the playoff for just a second. Remember
this year, the playoff seeding is different this year. They're
just taking the top four teams and given them the buys.

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It doesn't matter if you were a conference champion or not.
So for instance, last year, if they had this year's
playoff rules last year, the top four seeds would have
all been SEC and Big Ten. It would have been
I can't remember what order, but it would have been
Ohio State, Oregon, it would have been Georgia, Texas. Those
would have been the top four teams. Those teams would

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have gotten the first round bys if if this year's
rules were applied to last year. I mentioned that because
start to pay attention to this too. As we get
closer to the playoff and the start the rankings start
coming out, we could be headed for a such where
if the SEC and the Big ten have this death
grip on the top six, we're virtually guaranteed that they're

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going to get the first round bys kind of no
matter how Conference Championship Saturday plays out, it's just who
gets switched by. I know that doesn't sound fun and
it may not even happen, but that's something to keep
an eye on. Five SEC teams in the top ten
is the final talking point. So we appreciate flex power
for generating that. I would now generate a little bit

(01:13:29):
of a question because I know what the comments are
going to say. Sometimes I can see around the corner
on this stuff. The comments are going to say the
voters are inflating the SEC so that they can tout
how many ranked wins these SEC teams have. Like I
heard someone say that about the Alabama resume, that stats
floating around Alabama's beaten four ranked teams in a row, whatever,

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And some people are saying, yeah, that's just caused the
AP inflates the SEC teams to pad the resumes. Well,
get specific, like which team are we looking at here
that shouldn't be ranked? Which ones are we looking at
that have gotten the SEC bump that are not supposed
to be ranked by the way, twenty five, twenty four

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to twenty three, Texas is the only SEC team that's
even in the twenty one to twenty five range. All
the rest of them are ranked a lot higher than that.
Even so, I don't know if that's your criticism, that's okay,
but be specific about it. They're watching us in Paris, Texas, Athens, Alabama. Oh,
we could have gone like Florence, We could have gone Rome, Georgia. Yeah,

(01:14:35):
a lot of a lot of like European style city
names that are that are in America. But no, we
went Salt Lake City, Utah for our third city. It's okay,
that's all right. A ton of people watching. We've got
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I want nothing more than to get to half a
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(01:14:58):
at Thanksgiving, perhaps even on air. No, I'm not paying
for that, all right, added takeaways, We got a lot
more to get to. I'm not going anywhere. I'm Leo
right now. I'm Wolf of Wall Street. I'm not going anywhere.
And Buddy, Neither was Texas's offense yesterday They won sixteen
to thirteen at Kentucky. And that's about all I can
say about Texas's offense. This went to overtime. This was

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predictably hideous. We don't give out negative Chali ratings, but
if we did, this would be like a negative three
and a half Chili game. People paid money to sit
through this. Now, I want to take you back to Friday.
Let's say we're we're on the eve of this game
being played and I pull out a stat sheet and

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I say I've seen the future, because the Commissioner's office,
the future Commissioner's office, has that power. And I say,
let me give you the two quarterback stat lines in
this game. One of them is going to be thirty
one of thirty nine for two fifty eight. One of
them is going to be twelve of twenty seven for two.
Your response, slash, My response is good for Arch thirty

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one of thirty nine. Solid day. Well it wasn't him,
it was cutter bowling Arch and Texas's offense moved like
molasses in December. Yesterday, they got out, gained three ninety
five to one seventy nine. They got out first down
twenty six to eight, and they still won. Their only

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touchdown drive was three plays in five yards rock fight,
but they won cause defense travels. So there you go.
They were favored by twelve and a half, they scored
sixteen and they needed over time to do it. That's
not a playoff team right now, and it's not early
in the season. I don't know what to say. That's
not a playoff team right now. We move on. Texas

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Tech has fallen Arizona State twenty six Texas Tech twenty two.
The Big twelves kind of back to life a little bit.
Texas Tech was running away with this thing, and Sam
Levitt kind of goes off off on him a little bit,
three hundred nineteen yards in a touchdown. I never expected
Texas Tech's leading rusher to be Will Hammond, but he
was backup quarterback by the way he started for him. Maybe,

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you know, maybe this is a situation where we get
a rematch in Arlington at the very least, Like if
you look at the odds in the Big Twelve right now,
of course, Brigham Young's the one that's undefeated, like they're
atop the standings. Cincinnati's the only other team in the
Big Twelve, by the way, that's undefeated in league play. Again,
Brigham Young in Cincinnati the only teams that are undefeated

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in league play. But Texas Tech is still favored at
FanDuel to win the league. It's just that it got
a little more compacted now in Arizona State's number two.
So those teams that played yesterday, they're the favorites in
the odds market right now to face off again rematch style.
We assume Baron Morton would be back at quarterback. Come
a Big twelve championships Saturday. But good for Kenny Dillingham.

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They needed that one bad good for them. Next up
we stay in the Big twelve for a second. Brigham
Young has done it. They have beaten Utah. And I
was called a coward, and I was told in no
uncertain terms to face Brigham Young. Someone called me a
coward and said, look Brigham Young in the eyes on

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the show tonight Bradley Camera two. I am looking Brigham
Young in the eyes. Not the literal dude, American prime
evils a tough watch, by the way, not literal Brigham Young,
but the entire university and the roster and the coaching staff.
And I got to say, hat tip, hat tip, great

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job yesterday. This was the moment of legitimacy for this team,
not the program. Not Callinacyitaki. They've long since announced their
arrival to the college football world. But I don't think
through any fault of my own. Myself and a lot
of people looked at that lineup of games so far
and said, yeah, the Utah game will show us if
you're for real. They ran it for two hundred they're

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for real. Padlock stat by the way, they held the
Utah to They held Utah to one to five on
fourth down. And now they go to Iowa State this week.
It's always going to be a dangerous game. Iowa State's
coming off a bye. Who knows, I may end up
picking Iowa State. So at this point I don't think
bring them on once you picking them anyway. But yeah,
they got the job done. They are still undefeated and
on they roll. They have to play Iowa State, they

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got to play Texas Tech, TCU, Cincinnati. It's a very
backloaded schedule, but see Utah was part of that backloaded schedule,
and they already won one of those games. So let's
see if they can keep it rolling. Next up, Texas
A and M needed forty five to beat Arkansas. There
were over one thousand total yards in this game. A

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and M's needed to do that twice this year. The
Notre Dame game they needed it, disem they needed it.
Then they won a couple of slugfest in the meantime,
so they've won a ton of different ways this year.
Look credit Texas A and M. I'm telling you, Arkansas
is a very dangerous team to play right now, I
am watching them most of America's not watching them. They
already fired their head coach. But see the performance is upgraded.

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So Bobby Petrino is just empty in the chamber right now.
There are conspiracy theories that he kind of bottled all
this up to wait until he got the interim tag
and now he's unloading and whatever. That would just add
to the lore of Bobby Patrino. But they're a dangerous
team right now. They're not good, like their record's bad.
But if you're just watching them, you could pretend Arkansas's
six and one and the performance would make sense. They

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took Tennessee to the wire. They just took A and
M to the wire. Hugh Freese and Auburn have to
go play them Saturday in Fayetnam because they don't call
it Fayettville. They call it Fayetnam around Auburn, Alabama and
the Angel of Death. Bobby Patrino has the following options
in his future. He's got Auburn this Saturday. He could
run Hugh Freeze out of town. Then he's got Mississippi State.

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They go to LSU. He could end up spelling the
end for Brian Kelly. He goes to Texas. He can
not Texas out of the playoff picture. He's got Missouri
at the end of the year. He could do the
same thing with Missouri. Bobby Petrino could completely obliterate the
entire landscape of the SEC again. Crazy. Next up, I

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think if you look at on my finger, you you
kind of know normally when I've got to post it
on my finger, it's not a good thing. Minnesota beat
Nebraska Friday night, twenty four to six. Twenty four to six.
We heard Matt Rule's name, Matt Rule's name. That was
the chorus throughout all of last week, Matt Rule and
the Penn State job. And then the only course we

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get after Minnesota Blank's Nebraska is the fact that they
are the Sarah McLaughlin Special. Twenty nine rushes for thirty
six yards. That's what Nebraska managed on the road against PJ.
Fleck and Company. Dylan Ryola sacked eight times, no nine times.
Darius Taylor alone out rushed Nebra by about four hundred percent.

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Nebraska held to three of twelve on third down. The
drive chart is so sad three and out field goal
three and out field goal. This is where it goes
downhill it's halftime punt, three and out, punt, turnover on downs,
and that's it. A game you gotta have on the road.
That That's pretty much it, as me Mal would have

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put it had she been around to watch this game.
They rowed the boat right down their throat. Nebraska inexplicably,
unexpectedly goes from my playoff bracket to this week's Sarah
McLaughlin special. This game deserves not another second of talk
except to say congratulations to Minnesota. Congratulations. Anytime you deal

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out the Sarah McLaughlin special, you deserve congrats. Oklahoma beat
South Carolina twenty six to seven, and the one question
on every American's mind is is October canceled? And to
that I say probably, but not definitely, because that's the
thing about October. It's like a bear attack. It sneaks
up on you when you least suspect it. So watch
out this Saturday, Alabama, Oklahoma had one hundred yard rusher. Huh.

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That's great news. Unexpected news, but great news. John Mattier
was enough. I was worried about this game for Oklahoma. Okay,
so twenty six to seven. To have breathing room, that's
a great thing. For them South Carolina. The spring fears
have been realized. All the stuff that I was scared of.
There was not enough depth in the wide receiver rooms.

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Sellers was going to have to do it himself. Defense
of the regression was almost imminent. Yeah, it's all there.
Sellers was sacked six times yesterday and that's just not
fun noise, just not a fun vibe around the program
right now. That was kind of the one like if
they were going to pull the nose up on the season,
that was taking a dive. That was the game they

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kind of had to have. And this season just keeps diving.
It just keeps diving. Let me take one more sip
of water, right quick. I had to yell a lot
yesterday to be heard. So we got a we got
to make sure we moisturize the vocal cords because we're
doing so far, so good this year. Normally I've lost
my voice by now, Jesse, I know, I know what

(01:24:23):
I have in front of me. Okay, So you know
two weeks ago when I came on air and I said,
it has occurred to me via Savannah State that a
lot of you have babies bebez as she would call them,
and they need clothes, and we're all about clothing children
around here through the Pate State Store. And I said, hey,

(01:24:45):
I don't know anything about baby outfits, but we are
putting them in the Peate State store. And so we
got Little Freights, the Peate State Little Frights collection, and
we put some Onesies in there, and then I went
to sleep, and I woke up and it was our bestseller.
And now some of you have ordered these shirts and
these onesies, and they have arrived, and you're starting to

(01:25:07):
send us pictures of your children wearing the Little Freight's merchandise. Now, firstly,
always put an emoji over your kid's face, because we
don't want to be showing the children's faces and so
protect the anonymity, and therefore we can show it on air.
Look at this. Do you know how many pictures we're
getting like this? That was just one of them, But
that's a little animated baby that we made for the advertisement.

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These are real babies or bedbees. So we appreciate it.
And I would also highly encourage you not just to
check out the Onesies, but that shirt. I should have
brought it in. Alex sent me some samples. I don't
fit in them. But she sent me some samples. That
white T shirt we have that says nap time not
on third down is great. Some are calling it the

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best infant what do we call it, jesse, just like infantwear,
some of the best infantware of the modern age. Not
my words, sources, sources say, let's continue one of what
sources say about this. I have like a billion dms
right now and emails and questions about Hugh Freeze and Auburn,

(01:26:14):
and the answer is it's not going great. I believe
Auburn's gonna end up moving on from Hugh Freeze. They
lost to Missouri in overtime last night. Now, what's stupid
about college football is there are people who will allow
their opinion of a coach to swing over the span
of four quarters, like last night, had Auburn hit a
game winning field goal instead of Missouri scoring in overtime.

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There are people who would say, Hugh Freeze is he's
okay and he's won like one or two botched officiating
decisions from being like six and one or something like that.
But since they lost last night, that same person says
fire him. Well, he's either qualified for the job or
he's not. He's either good enough for the job or
he's not. And I questioned a couple of things here specifically,

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So I question what Hugh Freeze is questioning because I
keep listening to him and I want to give him
every benefit of the doubt, because I really want Hugh
Freeze to win at Auburn because Michael Bratton flat out
said Hugh Freese was going to fail two years ago,
and I adamantly defended Freeze. And this is going to
be a loss for me. I think it's going to

(01:27:20):
be a win for SEC Mike. It's going to be
a loss for Peate State. So we got to schedule
a home at home so I can get my get
back because I think I'm going to lose on Hugh Freeze.
Hugh Freeze keeps questioning the mentality of his team and
questioning the toughness and questioning the quarterback and the decision making,
and it sounds like a guy who just inherited a

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team and he's in year one. I'm listening to it,
and I'm thinking, don't you control all this? The mentality
of the team, it's your team, it's your organization, Just
the attitude of a team and the mentality of a
team and the roster not, in an ideal world, reflect
that of its head coach. So again, if we're in

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the first year and you're coaching someone else's guys, Like
if it's Debor last year and he were to have
inherited a mess from Saban, he'd have reason. You inherited
a mess from Brian Harson. You had reason to say
that in year one or year two. This is year three.
And in case you don't take my word for it,
take your own words for it. Hugh Freeze rolled into

(01:28:25):
Atlanta for SEC media Days and just flat out said
the expectations for us, we should be expected to contend
for the college football playoff. He said it voluntarily. I
was sitting right there with kublick I said, wow, credit
him for being honest about that. But man is not
going to get thrown back in his face if it
goes sideways this year. And we weren't hearing good things

(01:28:47):
in fall camp, and you watch Jackson Arnold play now
and you listen to what Hugh free says on the record,
you get the behind the scenes stuff, and they're so
unhappy with it, and I'm like, you picked him. You
went and got him because you hadn't developed one of
your own in house. You got him, And don't be
telling me there was no one available, dude. Fran Brown

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went and got Angelli and Mendoza landed at Indiana. Auburn
could have had those kids. They chose Jackson Arnold, They
chose wrong. You got a mentally weak team. Those are
paraphrased words. Hugh Freeze hasn't outright said that, but he's
questioned several different aspects that make me say, if you

(01:29:29):
can't solve those If you can't, if you're Hugh Freeze,
multi year head coach at Auburn and the mentality of
the team sucks and they're mentally weak and they can't
finish games, they can't find ways to win, and the
quarterback positions a disaster. Well, if you can't solve that stuff,
what are you my head coach for? And I think

(01:29:50):
a lot of Auburn fans feel that way, and they
should feel that way. This is again, the third year,
not the first year, not even the second year. I,
more than anyone, was willing to grant him a grace period.
I used this microphone several times to say, you need
to respect the rebuild that they've got on their hands

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down there. This is not Caylin de boor inheriting Alabama.
This is the antithesis of that. This is the total
inverse of that. I've had other coaches telling me, Hey,
that job Hughes got to do at Auburn, that's going
to take a couple of years. I fully respected that.
It's your three, it's your three, and that's not working.
And I also I'd say the same thing here that

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I said about Florida State, like what am I building towards?
What's the future now? Unlike Florida State, they've recruited well,
They've recruited very well. So like, I'm not willing to
punt on the talent roster there. I still look, I've
got places down deep here where I still believe Hugh
can get it done. But it doesn't matter what I believe.
It matters what's happening. The results are what matter. And

(01:30:56):
I'm not sure they're done losing this year. And that's
in a vacuum. Here's what else we know. What else
we know is there's a guy by the name of
John Sumraw just sitting it tu Lane, who I think
would take this job. And who I think would kill
it here. And so as much as I say the

(01:31:16):
Florida search probably begins and ends with Lane Kiffin, like
you got to find out is he going to take
the job. There's no need to overthink the room here either.
Like John Somerrow is going to get a major job,
whether it's the Auburn job and he wins at Auburn
or whether it's another job and he beats Auburn for
a long time, He's going to get a big job somewhere.
And if I'm an Auburn fan, I'm sitting there. On
one hand, I'm just thinking about what I feel about

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my program right now. But if you didn't like the
job Hugh Freeze was doing, but there was no other
qualified candidate out there, you'd say, we're kind of stuck
with this for a little while. Let's give it some time,
let's see how it plays out. But there are quality
candidates out there. And that's the whole flip side of it.
It's all right, I don't like what I don't like
what this says, and then I flip this over and

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I love of what that potentially could mean for me.
So that's the great catwalk that we're balancing on right now.
They go to Arkansas this Saturday, and I'm a believer
that yesterday kind of sealed Hugh Freeze's fate, but we
didn't see any action today. I don't expect any action
on Monday, which is tomorrow as we're live. If it

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goes south at Arkansas, I would expect action immediately. That's
the in til I've gotten. I think we've done more
hot seat talk on this one show tonight than I've
done in the entire past year combined. But we made
a decision as a staff a few weeks ago that
I wasn't going to cheer for this stuff, but I
was going to shoot you straight on what I'm hearing

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because we knew a very historic coaching carousel season was
at hand. This is what I'm hearing about the Auburn job.
I think that everything's on the line without Arkansas game Saturday.
I don't agree with that particular approach, because if a
guy is the wrong guy for your job, he's the
wrong guy before that game kicks off, and if he's

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the right guy for your job, four quarters of football
doesn't change that. So I never agree with that approach.
But I think that's kind of where we are. We
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we had had winning weeks the last two weeks, so
we're still above five hundred. We still have a winning
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here's where we're gonna start as of now, and I
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would lay points with Arkansas. This is Bobby Petrino's game.
This is not Hugh Freeese's game. This is an eleven
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