Week 8 Upset Alerts + SEC Chaos Ahead & New Commissioner’s Poll

College Football week 8 upset alerts are here and it begins with Oklahoma vs South Carolina. Can Brent Venables pull one out over Shane Beamer? What about Utah vs BYU and Texas Tech vs Arizona State? Josh also touches on Texas A&M vs Arkansas, Texas vs Kentucky, and Louisville vs Miami. The week 8 edition of the Commissioner’s Poll drops tonight as we get updated rankings. Where is Indiana? Is Miami still #1 over teams like Ohio State, UGA, and Alabama? Do we still see Texas in the top 10? Hugh Freeze is facing considerable heat at Auburn as speculation about the hot seat has ramped up. Cole Cubelic joins the show to discuss that and a big weekend ahead. All that plus early best bets on the Ramen Noodle Express.

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top a glowing downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on this Thursday, October sixteenth,
the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, proudly fueled
by Quick Trip. We have got up set alerts on
the show tonight. Last week, I can't help but feel
partially responsible for some of the upsets that happened. I
think we're on the precipice of a real, real big
upset Saturday, maybe it's a separation Saturday. Maybe it's an

(01:24):
implosion Saturday volcanic Saturday, Jesse. We haven't even used that
term yet this year. Could it be? Could the needle
be moving a little bit? What's that on the seismograph? Yeah,
the Saturday seismograph. Write it down, TM trademark. That's ours.
We got SEC chaos ahead. I really think the SEC
slate this weekend resembles an NFL slate a lot more

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than any of you realize. Here's what I didn't say.
The SEC is the closest thing college football has to
the NFL. What I did say is, in terms of
competitive balance, it may be a lot more up in
the air than we're used to admitting. New Commissioner's poll tonight.
Cole Kublick allegedly on the show tonight he sounded a
little bit cranky on the Tuesday Date Night Pod this week.

(02:08):
I don't know what's wrong with him. We'll talk about it.
Oh and by the way, Hugh Freeze feeling the heat
at Auburn. We'll talk about that with Cole as well. Roanoke,
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the show. I'm going to do upset alerts in just

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a second. I want to talk to you about something
the SEC could just be about to blow up. Not
as a conference. I think the SEC is pretty solid
as a conference, but I think the picture, the landscape
of the SEC is in a state that college football
public in general does not understand. I don't think the
college football public or the SEC public has the slightest

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clue what could be coming this Saturday. So we've got
several situations right now. Alabama is thought to be one
of a not the best teams in the league, and
they're favored by over a touchdown Saturday and Texas A
and M. They just got through this little stretch of
their schedule. Now they only play Arkansas this weekend, and
let's talk about the slate. Actually, all right, So Tennessee's

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gonna play Bama. Ole Miss is gonna play Georgia this Saturday.
That line is Georgia minus seven and a half. Bama's
favored by eight and a half. LSU at Vandy, that's
the game that will be at Vandy's favored against LSU
by two and a half. For anyone who thinks that's
a mirage, hey, that line hadn't moved all week. It's
right there right now. If you want to bet it.
Oklahoma against South Carolina, we'll talk about that in upset

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alerts later. Oklahoma is a five and a half point favorite. There.
It's October. It's Columbia now it is an early kickoff,
but still Texas A and M's at Arkansas. That's the
kind of game where in the past you think to yourself,
all right, make sure you get out of their healthy.
The line seven and a half, guys, make sure you
get out of there with a win, and then make
sure you're healthy. Texas at Kentucky's another one. Texas at

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Kentucky in a previous lifetime would have been a twenty
plus point spread. The spread's twelve and a half. So
I'm looking at this slate, this weekend and in the
Big Ten they have something happening. It's called separation, and
it's very clear the difference between your Ohio States and
your Indiana's versus your Illinois or whoever Nebraska someone ling,

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and then Oregon's kind of floating in the middle. Right now.
We still got to figure out what they are, but
they're separation. In the SEC. We kind of sort of
have it. But I don't think if I pulled the audience,
many people think that ole Miss is gonna remain undefeated.
Maybe they will. Maybe ole Miss is part of the separation,
but they're in the top of the league. I just
think we have a potential volcanic Saturday coming because there's

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so many of these games that are well within reach.
There's so many of these games that are well within
the realm of believability that the upset could happen. We
could stack upsets on Saturday. It could be an upset
stacking Saturday. And even if it's not this Saturday, we
still have half the conference slate to go, or more,
depending on which team you're talking about. I think we

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either got one of two things happening in the SEC
right now. Either separation will happen, and we'll have four
or five teams that differentiate themselves from the pack, and
they're all very clear playoff teams. Or what's more likely
to me mathematically is it just ends up looking like
the NFL. Any given Saturday looks like the NFL. Like

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to me, this weekend slate, this Saturday slate in the
SEC almost resembles an NFL slate. What I mean by
that is in the NFL, they've said any given Sunday forever.
In the NFL, because any given Sunday, with very few exceptions,
there aren't many results that would just completely and utterly
stun you in college football. It's it's pretty stunning sometimes

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when these results happen. That's only because I think we're
still applying twenty fifteen logic to the twenty twenty five game.
Someone the caliber of Texas versus someone the caliber of
Kentucky in twenty fifteen would have been favored by three
touchdowns or more. And it's a go in there, get
out healthy kind of game. This could be a dog fight.

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We're gonna talk about the game later. In upsettlers A
and M sitting there undefeated. A and M's a top
five team in the AP poll and the Commissioner's poll,
and they're going to Arkansas where they've already fired their coach,
and Texas A and M's coming off a really convincing,
solid win against Florida. They're pretty healthy. Everything seems to
be rolling the line seven and a half. This is

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one possession point spread. Bobby Petrino one of the better
offenses that's clicking in the country right now. They took
Tennessee to the wire last week. My point there is
Arkansas is a bad team, Texas A and M is
viewed as one A, one B, one of the best
teams in the conference, and it could just that easily boom,
just that easily, it could happen Saturday. My point there

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is that is not the state of these other conferences.
That's not the state of the Big Ten, which is
the comparison, that's the apple to the SEC's orange. That
is not the case there. And so what does it
mean this Saturday. It means you could be entertained this Saturday.
What does it mean down the road is what I'm
more interested in, because we're gonna get to a place
where if you've got separation, Okay, all's well, and it'll

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be very clear who's supposed to make the playoff, and
it'll be very clear who's going to Atlanta. Actually it
may not be clear who's going to Atlanta, but it
will be pretty clear who's going to make the playoff.
But if not, if we have the more likely scenario,
to me, and we've said this, remember since SEC media days,
I have said, the more likely scenario is just a
jumbled mess in the SEC where there's no elite team,

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there's no two or three that rise up above the
rest of the pack, and it's just a bunch of
two and three lost carnage. If that happens, the two
loss teams probably make it. I'm very interested in how
many playoff caliber teams the SEC has to offer, and
then the whole power rating versus merit based ranking theme
comes into play. The Big Ten's just not dealing with

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this right now, and I don't think they're going to.
I think Oregon's still a really good team. They'll separate.
Ohio State has long since separated from the country actually,
as well as the Big Ten. Indiana is absolutely there
as well. What I do wonder in the Big Ten
their version of this would be I have no idea
how Wisconsin would push Ohio State. We're not even putting

(09:24):
it in upset alerts this weekend. That's how little respect
I have for the upset potential there. But like if
Washington were to go beat Michigan, yeah, it would be
an upset. Michigan's not thought of to be in the
lead pack. Washington would all of a sudden emerge as
a team to take seriously in the Big Ten title race. Also,
what if USC goes and beats Notre Dame. It's not

(09:45):
a conference game, but if USC beats Notre Dame, everyone
takes them a lot more seriously. And I just think
about those two results. If those two results were to
happen this weekend, USC beats Notre Dame and Washington beats Michigan,
think about what Oregon schedule all of a sudden looks
like Oregon Right now, you're thinking to yourself, all right,

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they've got a loss against Indiana. They just got to
take care of business the rest of the way. They
already got over the Penn State hump, and there'll be
a one loss team and they'll be in Big Ten
title consideration. But they'll they'll go to the playoff well,
they got to play Southern cal and Washington back to
back to end the regular season, so that could radically change,
like the landscape of the Oregon schedule could radically change

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this weekend. And I know Landing wants to talk about Rutgers,
but we're not talking about the Rutgers game on this show. Again,
all due respect, all due respect, immense amounts of respect there.
So as we as we start to get into this weekend,
I just want to prepare you because it could be
a very uncomfortable Saturday in the South with teams doing
what they're not supposed to do and what history says

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it's not supposed to be able to happen, and it
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The main event of every Thursday show is the upset

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Alert meter, and last week it was pinging, but this
week is really spiking. We got several games the lowest
upset alert concern I have out of these six games
is a five. This is presented by flex Power. They
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from being upset, ironically by giving you generators. More on
that this weekend. Oklahoma at South Carolina. The line's five
and a half. Oh, you favored by five and a half. Now,
this is the rare dds, the double desperation spot. South
Carolina just lost backs against the wall at home in
October dangerous common name and Oklahoma just got stuffed by

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Texas and now they got to go right back on
the road. They were in Dallas last week. They go
to Columbia this week. South Carolina is in the one
hundreds in virtually every offensive category. The trial period is over.
Some of the rumors we heard out of fall camp
have not come to fruition. It's not an underrated offense.

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They're just not good. It's Leonora's Sellars and sometimes Nick Harbor.
It's not great. Fortunately for them, Oklahoma can't really run
the ball. So South Carolina got beat what twenty to
ten last week? It's on Sellars this week as it
always is, and for Oklahoma it's on materier. But I'm
thinking if I'm South Carolina, all right, I got my

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home crowd, they're always good to get me one upset
win per year. I just need to scratch out twenty
points here. If I can scratch out twenty points, if
I can do what LSU did to me last week,
scratch out twenty let's just let's take our odds. Let's
take our shot. Texas held him to what six? Last week?
Matteir was careless with the ball. Maybe he is again

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this week. You just got to flip last week's game script. Yeah,
I'm worried about this game for Oklahoma, I have been
all week. So I'm gonna go in eight on the
upset Alert Concern Meter October. Despite what GROX says is
a dangerous, dangerous thing. I trust Shane Beemer more than
I trust AI in the month of October. Do not

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embarrass me. Next up, Texas. A and M favored by
seven and a half points at Arkansas. Let's ask if
we believe a few things here. Do we believe A
and M is going wire to wire undefeated. I'm not
asking my Texas crowd who has bought and paid for me.
By the way, I'm told I'm not asking you guys,

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I'm asking the general college football public. Do you think
A and M's gonna undefeated? Most people's answer is no,
you don't think anyone's going undefeated? Well, okay, if they're not,
then where are the losses? Plural or maybe singular? Where's
the loss could be where you least suspect it. Do
we believe Arkansas pushed Tennessee to the limit last week?
You should they did. I was over on vall Quest,

(15:12):
lurking around. I wasn't lurking. I actually replied to a
few people who were slandering me, and they were they
were talking about some tennis. Oh, we picked VAMA to
beat Tennessee. Like imagine the audacity picking up eight and
a half point favorite and win a game anyway. So
they were saying, oh, man, no one cares about his picks.
He picked Arkansas to beat us last week. I didn't
pick Arkansas to beat you last week. I picked Arkansas

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to push you to the limit and cover while you won,
which is exactly what happened, and that leads us to
this week as an unnecessary shot at Vauquest I love
Vauquest just a couple of couple of people over there.
They didn't even tag me either, at least tag me
when you slander me. So they're going they being Texas

(15:54):
A and M pronounced Pal, They're going into Fayetteville. Bobby
Petrino needs a signature win because he wants this job
really bad. Those guys on that staff want this job
really bad. And I don't think the team is tuned
out yet. They actually I'm sure they haven't tuned out yet,
So I'm looking at the matchup a little more specifically.
We love interim head coaches. We always love betting them

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because we believe they're undervalued. Texas A and M's offense
on third down eighty third in the country. Arkansas's third
now A and M's third down defense is locked down.
Arkansas's third down defense is anything, but that's over the
course of a season. If the upset were to happen,
I think third down conversion rate is probably something that

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we look back on in the box score in Arkansas
heavily tilted their way. Turnovers would help to give me
a six and a half on the upset alert concern
scale here, and this goes back to the theory that
there's a lot of compacted nature in the SEC there's
not a lot of separation. So you're going on the
road and you're favored by over a touchdown in someone
else's building, that's a pretty big deal. Next up, exact

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same situation. Texas Text favored by seven and a half
on the road against Arizona State. Sam Levitt quarterback there
for the Sun Devils listed as probable. Now they could
not protect him against Mississippi State that was on the road.
Cow bells and all, you are at home here. But

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Texas Tech comes in with the number four pressure rate
defense in the country, so I don't expect him to
have a whole lot of time to operate. Texas Tech
last week ran for three seventy against Kansas. It's not
a metric system either, just they ran for three hundred
and seventy yards. It was it was. It was tough
for me because I picked Kansas as my upset alert special.

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I took him plus fourteen and a half, and then
Texas Tech promptly used my words in their own building
to make sure it didn't happen. Shame, Hey, Jordan Tyson,
could he break out in this game. Texas Tech's good defensively,
they are number forty one against the pass. Maybe maybe
there's some plays to be had here. Look if not, now,

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I don't know when Texas Tech's really gonna get pushed.
So I'm gonna say six. Arizona State they gotta have.
They gotta make a stand here. Look at this Texas
Tech schedule so far, They've won every game by twenty
four or more. And now they go to Arizona State.
I mean, they got a trip to Kansas State in
early November, they got Brigham Young at home. That just

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not a lot of resistance left. This is probably going
to be a playoff team, almost certainly going to be
a big twelve championship team. Give me a six though
this weekend. If they get bitten, I think it may
be this week although I'm not picking them to get bitten.
Lest anyone in the building out there thinks they heard
me say otherwise, Utah is at Brigham Young in a

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game that is now and forever will be known as
the Holy War, Holy War, Holy War, Holy War, Holy War.
Why am I repeating myself? Nothing's wrong with your podcast,
nothing's wrong with your YouTube feed. No, I just know
that there are so campus casuals out there who have
already taken the Red River Shootout from us. They took

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the world's largest outdoor cocktail party from us, and they
have tried to take Pharmageddon from us, and they're absolutely
trying to take the Holy War from us. Why no
real reason. The name of a rivalry game actually doesn't
harm anyone, It doesn't actually offend anyone. As the case

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often is with these sorts of things. It's just the
campus casuals, the sweater vests, the high level mustaches don't
really run in real world circles, so they live in
they live in oxygen chambers, and they they don't like
these sorts of things. They don't like cool nicknames on games. Okay,
the word war holy War is in the name. We

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can't have that. Ugh, yeah we can and we always will.
So the Holy War All Caps is being played in Provo, Utah,
and Brigham Young is ranked fifteenth and U ranked twenty third,
and yet the lower ranked road team is a three
and a half point favorite. If you want to know
the difference in power ratings and rankings, that's it right there.

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So it doesn't matter what the point spread is it
matters what happens on the field. I was just pointing
that out. This is a big step up in competition
for Brigham Young. Obviously, their best win is either against
Arizona last week or Colorado. That doesn't mean they can't
win the game. It just means there's a lot they
still have left to prove. That's all. That means. They
leaned on the run big time against Arizona last week

(20:33):
and it got him a win in overtime. Can they
throw to win? Can bear Backmyer throw to win if
he needs to? Because I trust Devin Dampier or Devon sorry,
Devon Dampierre a lot more than I trust Bear Bachmeyer
at the moment. But this is the kind of game
where you just flip that where you take someone and
you hear him say I don't know if I trust you,

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and then you just show out. And this is a
rivalry game. You only play a few of these your
entire care Some guys never get to start a quarterback
in a rivalry game. Utah's already got three solid road wins.
Now they're going to walk into an environment that's way different,
respectfully than going to UCLA or going to Wyoming. Or

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going to West Virginia. I know that this Saturday, but
you know what, I still trust them. So even though
the line's only three and a half, I really think
they're the better team, and I think they're gonna have
to weather a storm here. And I'll put a six
on the upset Alert concern scale because it's a three
and a half point spread and it's a rivalry game.
I trust Utah. I like that they lost that game

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early as it relates to this game, because they don't
have any more room for error. So we'll see how
this goes. We'll see. Let me get let me get
a six on the upset alert concern scale. Next up,
Texas at Kentucky. Texas favored by twelve and a half.
Do not do this to me, Texas, do not do
this to me. I hated you, and then I loved you.

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Now I'm supporting you, and I'm ready to invest sizeable
portions of my reputation on Texas making a run in
the second half of the season. But we can't do
that if we get beat in Lexington, can we We
can't do that if we fumble away a win to
Mark Stoops and the Kentucky Wildcats. It's a low margin
for error game. Yes you are Texas, but you haven't

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necessarily played like it offensively. Now arch Manning is scaling
up his performance. That's a good thing. This is the
number eighty seven run defense in the country you're facing.
It's the number one thirteen pass defense in the country
you're facing. You should be able to have success here.
Just don't be stupid. Just go get the win and
get home. Kentucky should not be able to move the

(22:42):
ball on you. There's a lot of shuds here, a
whole lot of shods. I've got a five on this.
I've got a five. I hope the competitive maturity is
there for them to understand that just cause we beat
Oklahoma doesn't really mean anything as it relates to accomplishing
our preseason goals. We have no margin for error. We
got to go treat every game like that. That's what

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happens when you lose early. You lose to Ohio State, Okay,
a lot of people will you got beat by Florida.
You got no more margin for er. So I'm gonna
put a five on it. Lastly, Louisville at Miami on
a Friday night. I have my eye on this one
as well. Louisville is a thirteen and a half point
dog at Miami. It's hard to shake the memories of

(23:25):
last year. This is a new team. It's a way
better team. You don't have to convince me of that
if you're a Miami fan. But Virginia Tech did happen
last year. Close game, cal had to come from behind
the Georgia Tech game we lost at Syracuse. We lost
just the consistency and performance, the ability to be mature

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and take care of your business. That's part one of this.
Part two is this is not merely a make sure
we don't beat ourselves and we have nothing to worry
about spot. Louisville's not a bad team. This is a
big test for you than Florida State was. It's just
we didn't realize that at the time. Because see, Louisville's
off a bye week as well, and you got Jeff

(24:08):
Brahm coming off of bye I think he's the most
underrated coach in the country. They will have a plan
cooked up here. And for all the talk about the
quarterback position here being a little turnover prone, Miller Moss,
if you get him on the right night, he's got
a seven to four touchdown to I ratio right now.
So they've had problems with turnovers. If he's on against you,

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that doesn't matter. So this is really where that secondary
gets tested. And I've got it at a six. It's
a thirteen and a half point spread. Miami should take
care of business. But you got to show me the
competitive maturity. Find out about those standards, find out if
we're gonna get the consistency and performance. I'm putting it
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got cublic. Is he he's waiting at the door. I
can feel him, Jesse, No, he's not at the door.
Well I'm not physically. But are you telling me that
even digitally you haven't heard from him. Oh well, we

(26:02):
do have a contingency plan, and that is to trash
him unmercifully for thirty minutes on air, so our balls
are in his court in the meantime. I got the
Commissioner's pole hot off the presses. I used merediths printer
because she already left for the day. So the Commissioner's poll,
it's generated by flex power and it is a real ranking.
This is not the JP pole. These are not power ratings.

(26:25):
This is not point spread stuff. This has nothing to
do with the model. I could slam the models shut.
This is none of the model's business. You will not
see Penn State at number nineteen in the Commissioner's poll.
I can assure you of that. What an idiot the
model is. So we've got controversy right off the bat
here because I've only got Notre Dame at twenty five.
What does this mean? Does it mean I'm a Notre

(26:46):
Dame hater? No, it means that I actually care that
you win games they have. I guess if you want
to call them good losses. The two best losses in
the country this year that A and m game. In
the Miami game else By combined four points. I know
all that, I know all that. I know all that,
and let me read this out for you right quick.
I got Notre Dame twenty five, Bring Him Young twenty four,

(27:09):
Memphis twenty three, Nebraska twenty two, Texas twenty one. I
put Texas ahead of them, and I put Texas ahead
of them because I just think Texas just got a
way better win than Notre Dame has. I care about
your wins. That's what I care a lot about. If
you're comparable, which both of them certainly are. So they

(27:29):
beat Oklahoma like they did, I'm aa bump Texas up
a little bit. And look, if Notre Dame beats USC
this weekend, then they probably vault right back above Texas.
But I'm not projecting with Notre Dame. I think a
lot of people are projecting with them. They had them
top ten in their preseason poll. They had to drop
them down because they lost a couple of games, but
at the first sign that it was okay, they vaulted

(27:52):
Notre Dame right back up. I think the AP has
them at thirteen, and I think they're doing that cause
of what they believe Notre Dame will do the rest
of the way. Well, if Notre Dame does it, then
the commissioner's poll will reflect that, but they haven't done
it yet, so it doesn't yet. Uh yeah, that's all
I have to say about that, the Forrest Gump style.
There also Illinois I don't have in the top twenty five,

(28:15):
and I know I'm gonna hear something about that. So like,
why no Illinois? Why is Notre Dame in Texas in
their two loss teams? But Illinois is not well because
you got beat by half a hundred by somebody. So yes,
you have two losses, which is the same as them,
but it's really not because they didn't get body bagged
by half a hundred and you did. So that's that.

(28:37):
We move on. Cincinnati's at twenty, still ahead of Nebraska.
There's more than just head to head here when we're
this deep in the season. Now, if it's a playoff
resume and it comes down to that, head to head's
gonna matter. But at this point we're far enough away
from the game they played in Week one, but still
too far away from the playoff rankings, where head to

(28:58):
head is supposed to be like the trump card in
a comparable scenario. So we'll put Cincinnati at twenty. Now,
Southern Cali, I've got at nineteen, big game on the
road this week, Utah at eighteen, USF at seventeen. Man,
they keep rising. That's my G five playoff team right now,
by the way, And I got Virginia at sixteen. That's

(29:19):
a big win they got against Louisville. It's kind of
overlooked there were other big games. That was a big win.
I was very confident in Louisville. Virginia proved me wrong.
Let's continue. Missouri's at fifteen dropped them a few spots,
did not drop them a whole lot. Very very competitive
game with Alabama. They're on the road this week against Auburn.

(29:39):
That one could be toxic, not for drinking in Missouri,
although that could be a second conference loss, but just
they could deal a harsh blow to Auburn down there.
We will see the number fourteen team in the country
this weekend. At home, we will see the Vanderbilt Commodoes.
Jesse pointed out something to me. He said, did you
notice that the AP rankings have kind of come in

(30:02):
line with the Commissioner's poll? And I just laughed, as
poor Jesse, poor young, innocent Jesse, like Bamby just getting
his feet on college football's frozen pond. Poor Jesse. Yes,
I've noticed that, Jesse. Yes, I've noticed that we lifted
up the AP rock and we shine the light, and
that voters scurried all over the place. That's mean, I'm

(30:24):
not really comparing AP voters to roaches. I'm not doing that.
I am saying that the effect the light has on
our friendly roaches under the rock is the same as
when you've been turning in garbage AP ballots and then
all of a sudden people are really paying attention. It
makes you pay a lot more attention. So it's no

(30:44):
mystery that the AP pole has come in line with
the commissioner's poll. I think we've done a great service
to college football here. Tennessee thirteen, OU twelve, Georgia Tech eleven,
Georgia Tech playing Duke this weekend. Small favorite or small dog,
depending on what you're looking. We look at FanDuel. I
just didn't check the line today, number ten or again,

(31:05):
that's where I put Oregon. I got them behind Georgia
and LSU, but I still have them fairly high. Some
people thought that I should drop them a lot further
than ten. Some people said they should be in the
fifteen to twenty range. I said why. They said they
don't have any good wins. I said, yes, they do.
The Penn State win is incredibly good. They said no,

(31:27):
Penn State proved to be terrible, And I said, why
did they prove to be terrible? Do we think the
Oregon loss may have had something to do with Penn
State falling off a cliff? Or to put it another way,
do you really in your right mind think that if
Penn State pulled out that game against Oregon in overtime,
they still would have gone to UCLA and lost. Do

(31:49):
you really think Penn State would have fallen as a
twenty plus point favorite two weeks in a row had
they beaten Oregon? Of course they wouldn't. So Oregon killed
Penn State. I'm not punishing Oregon because Penn State looked
dead the next two weeks. They're the culprit. Okay, they're
the number one suspect for why that happens. So Oregon

(32:09):
at ten, LSU and Georgia are nine and eight. All right,
I've got ole Miss seven, Bama six. I put Bama
ahead of Old Miss because even though Obama got a
loss and ole Miss doesn't, Bama still got three top
fifteen wins according to the Commissioner's poll, and ole Miss
has got their shot against number eight this weekend. But

(32:30):
ole Miss has played an inferior schedule so far. I
dropped them because they got pushed to the brink at
home by Washington State last week. So I don't want
to hear any complaints there. You're fortunate to still be undefeated.
Number five Texas Tech incredible team Texas A and m
number four. I got Indiana number three, Ohio State two,

(32:51):
Miami one. The model would favor Ohio state over the field,
they would favor Ohio State. By fourth they it would
favor Oho Ohio state. So that's why Ohio State is
number one in the JP poll. I think Miami's resume
is better so far, so in a merit based rankings format,
I would put Miami one. We wrestled with whether to
put Indiana number two, and I there's a really good

(33:14):
case to be made. I was only like fifty five
to forty five put Ohio State number two over Indiana.
So that's the Commissioner's poll right now. I scheduled the
tweet to go out at six thirty two, so it
just went out one minute ago. Jesse, we had a
little we had a little snaff foo last week where
I scheduled the JP poll to go out way before

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We've got Mississippi State cannot believe they gave us nine

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and a half earlier in the week. Mississippi State plus
nine and a half against Florida. We got Arizona plus
one and a half against Houston. Jesse tells me that
number crossed zero since we bet it Northern Illinois plus
eleven and a half at Ohio. All right, this is
gonna be music to press his ears out there in
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(35:24):
plus one and a half. We are taking him against
old Dominion, he and his team because that's who took
over on sig left right literal, James Madison is coaching
over there. And Utah. Yeah, we're putting Utah Holy War
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Hope n Y in New York, Jesse.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Do we have an update? We Oh, we got him? Okay. Well,
I had a contingency plan for Cublic and the contingency
plan was just trass him unmercifully for thirty minutes. But
he is going to take his allot at thirty minutes here.
How are you? You sounded cranky on the Tuesday Date
Night podcast this week, So how are you? Oh?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I was, Yeah, I was, and it's okay. I appreciate
that that was your takeaway from it. Trying to get
a tweet out to promote your show here, I know
you need, you need support, So I'm just trying to help.
The disrespect that you show Kentucky State at Franklin Pierce
in a Friday night six pm matchup from Sodexo Field
in Ringe, New Hampshire is blatant and certain people don't

(37:54):
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I just want to let you know you saw the
Lamar East Texas whatever game that was played next to
a quick track, right, not quick trip.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
You don't just walk into East Texas whatever. My good
think you're win's.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I had folks hitting me up. I mean, the best
stray in the world is Scott van Pelt just giving
quick trip free plugs because someone's playing a D two
game next to a gas station. It's not even the
one that actually advertises on the show. We appreciate SVP
for that, all right, serious times on the Police.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
You got Maravian at Catholic in this Saturday morning. They're
taking on an entire religion, Josh, I need to know
the points spread.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's not even it's not even the only game that'll
happen in this weekend. That's not even the real Holy
War this weekend. If you if you wonder what is
happening right now, this is Friday night lines. I sit
there dead seriously in a hotel room somewhere, and I'm
trying to take live chat questions about real games that
people will watch, and I'm looking at what the model thinks,

(38:54):
and you're sitting there just feeding me D three nonsense.
People who play D three are not nonsense, those real humans.
That's someone kids. I'm saying, those games are not on
the board. You know, the model does not run Monmouth
point spreads. And you toss it to me anyway, So
this is like a real life version of what the
live chat is on Friday.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
You just told us Merchant Marine at Salve Regina doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, you just said, yeah, those humans, those humans do
not matter. No, that's not what I want to say.
I do not want to say that. All right, are
you ready? Because we're smiling right now. But there's some
there's some serious stuff happening. Okay, serious face. You have
the Missouri Auburn game this weekend, right, I do you?

(39:36):
Rumor is you played at Auburn once upon a time.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
People have discounted that based on the fact that I
haven't penalty vultures the last three weeks.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
But here we are. Yeah, and don't don't love some
of your Auburn takes need to be a little more
all in with us. Can you don't? I don't want
you to do it. Can you recite the Auburn creed? No, No,
you can't. Okay, I told you, told you so. There's
a lot of talk around Hugh Freeze right now. It's
a really uncomfortable kind of conversation because I remember back

(40:11):
at SEC media days, you and I are perched up
on the second floor of the College Football Hall of Fame,
Hugh Freese and Auburn come to Atlanta, and he was
unlike any other coach that day and that week. He
leaned into the expectations. He did what James Franklin did
at Penn State. Frankly, he leaned into the expectations. He said,
to paraphrase him, people should expect us to be a

(40:33):
playoff contender. We should be that, We should this should that.
So I appreciated it. It gave us a lot to
talk about. But I remember you and I sitting there saying,
it's great if it turns out that it's that way
there this year, but if it goes sideways. I know
him just like I know most coaches, and they're gonna
they're gonna kind of bristle at someone telling them they

(40:53):
failed to meet expectations. And that's okay if you never
go public with expectations. He went public with it expectations,
so he kind of put it out there, just like
James Franklin and Penn State, this is the best team
we've had. It's kind of national title or bust. He
put it out there and it busted. And so I
don't know what your feel on this is, but my

(41:14):
feel on Auburn is seasons far from loss, Like they
could go on a run right now, and they could
be right there in the playoff conversation, they could be
right there in the SEC championship game conversation. There's just
no margin for error. And I think it feels to
me like a little, you know, jinga tower where there
are one or two more cubes that if I remove,

(41:34):
it goes crash really quick. And I'm not even totally
sure what that looks like, but I think it involves
Hugh Freese's job security. So I'm not sitting here to
ask you, hey, man's he gonna lose his job or not?
But you do radio in Birmingham. Every day you played there,
You're really close to the program. Do you think that
characterization is fair? Unfair? How do you see the situation

(41:57):
down there right now?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I don't think we have this much noise. If it's
just people making it up and people saying things that
they want to be true, trying to speak it into
existence or hypothesizing about the future would be Josh, just
go look at the record number one overall, number two
against SEC opponents. Then look at the scoring in the
fourth quarter, the yardage and scoring in the second half

(42:21):
of games, specifically yardage games in the fourth quarter, and
it continues to sort of slide downhill. And a lot
of the reasoning and a lot of the issues and
the problems are the same things that Auburn fans heard
last year and the year before, and that's where I
think people have sort of run into a little bit
of a wall here with the hope and maybe the
light at the end of the tunnel expectation is that

(42:43):
hold on, we've heard this, and it might be a
different player, it could be a different position group, but
it's beginning to sound the same. And that's why I
think it's wearing thin, not only on a lot of
Auburn fans, but some people that have some pull around
the program. I struggle to see it truly getting turned around.
You speak of being in some of an SEC championship race.
I would speak more of being Bowl eligible, Which is

(43:04):
interesting because what you said about SEC media days. Looking
back on it now, I wonder how much of that
was in reaction to himself what he said at the
region's championship when he referenced, Hey, we're trying to get
to a bowl game.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
We're trying to get Bowl eligible.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Now for folks like myself and Greg McElroy and other
people that looked at it from our perspective. And Greg
made a great point on our show and day God,
I hate giving him so much credit when I come
on your show. He did make a great point one
day and he said, and I can remember I remember
Terry Bowden and Tommy Tumberville standing in front of us
before the seasons, and they're like, hey, win the opener,

(43:43):
win the division, go to Atlanta, try to play for
a championship, be it SEC or National championship.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And Greg told us a story.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
About how when they would reach their sixth win every year,
Saban made a huge deal about it in the locker room,
like we're Bowl eligible.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
It was one of our goals for the season.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
But this falls into the category of low hanging fruit,
in which almost everything surrounding Hugh Free seems to be
right now. Some of that is self inflicted. I won't
even try to pretend that it's not certain things that
are said and ways that they're said, and different ways
that they're twisted and repeated. I think some of that
is brought on himself, and it allows people to maybe

(44:24):
take that avenue and take that path with him. But
make no mistake, it is I'm not saying he's coaching
for his job this weekend, but it's being evaluated now.
People's intennas are up, people's eyes are open. The thought
process has now entered the chat of what potentially would
be next and when potentially would we make this move

(44:45):
based on how games look and what the outcome of
games is. And I think that's the tricky part, Josh,
because you've heard me talk about the number thing for
years now. Everybody will say before the season, does he
have to win eight? Does he have to win six?
Does he have to win ten. I'll never put a
number on on it because I don't think the perception
of what the season was or is is going to
be brought upon or be able to be told by

(45:07):
whatever that number is in the w call him. You're
telling me if he wins seven and he had to
win eight, he's gone. But he beat Alabama in Georgia.
That's just not a real thing. So and that goes
for a Florida coach beating Florida State.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
In Georgia, whatever that would be.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
You beat your rivals, Like if people said they wanted
to get rid of Sark this year, and he goes
out and wins one game less than people thought, but
he beats Texas by Texas A and m by twenty one.
At the end of the year, he's not going anywhere
like this is not a real thing. So I think
the essentially what we need to take away from the
conversation is that people's eyes are now open to it,

(45:42):
more attention is being paid to it, and there are
probably some real conversations that are being had about it.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I think he's coaching for his job this weekend. I
think that's where that stands. I always think it's stupid
when you're going game to game evaluating whether someone's good
enough to be your head coach. I've always thought that
logic is dumb. I think maybe with the Auburn situation, though.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Oh hold on, I hate to interrupt you, though. Do
you know the Jeremy Foley quote. I've heard this one
hundred times and I can't remember it perfectly. It's like,
what must be done tomorrow must be done today, or
what we think he's going to be done tomorrow must
be done today. Whatever it is, it's perfect for this scenario.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, how about another quote where, hey, how about another
quote where if we're firing a guy in mid October,
should we have started the season with him. That's another
loosely affiliated quote with what must be done eventually, must
be done immediately, which is what I've had thrown in
my face from Penn State all week. My point there
is what I told you, either today or yesterday. I
can't remember the last time I talked to you. Memorable conversation, though,

(46:41):
I said, if they lose this weekend, here's what happens, Bradley,
do me a favor, take me full and throw the
Auburn schedule up for just a second. If you lose
this weekend, and everyone behind the scenes decides, all right,
it's time we got to move on. But you don't.
What you have is you've got three You got four

(47:02):
games in a row. You could lose three of them.
But I mean Arkansas, Kentucky Vandy is not a murderer's row.
Although two or those three on the road, you leave
yourself open to the possibility of him going on a
little run there against programs you would view as inferior,
whether it's fair or not in this given year. And
so I actually think they arrive at that conclusion. If

(47:24):
we're if we think we're gonna do it eventually, we're
gonna do it immediately. If we're looking around, and maybe
Florida moves on Billy and Penn State's already moved on
James Franklin, I expect a few more of them to
come open. And you know, you've got what you think
are studs sitting at places like South Florida or places
like two Lane. You know, if you don't get him now,

(47:45):
someone else is gonna get him. And so I think
I think Penn State really kicked the ant hill. And
I think Indiana locking up Kurtzegnetti really fired up a
lot of people today too. We'll talk about that in
a second. But you didn't say it, I'm saying it.
Let me be clear about that. I think it's either
over or the beginning of the quick end for you
if he don't win this weekend, which I don't always

(48:06):
agree with logic wise, but I would understand it in
this case. Sure, let's state it this way.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
How many teams left on that schedule, including this weekend,
from top to bottom, are more talented than this Auburn roster.
There you go, so that would be one way to
equate it and look at it now. Is Missouri a
better football team? Absolutely? Is Vanderbilt a better football team? Absolutely?
We know Alabama is right now. I haven't seen the
tape on Mercer this year yet, so I'll get back

(48:32):
to you on that one. But Arkansas, I think would
probably be a coin toss. Honestly, if you're talk about
who's the better football team with just how Arkansas has
played in certain games this year, I don't know if
I would bet my savings account on either one of
those teams by saying I believe they'd go out and
beat the other in a game if they were facing
a neutral site. So Kentucky, I could probably sell you

(48:52):
on Auburn being a better football team right now. But yeah,
if you go get this one, you're looking at potentially
being able to put together heck of a run, and
then what problems have you solved, what bround have you
gained at the end of the season, and we start
this whole thing over again next year. I can see
where people would be in that camp is how they
viewed the position.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
That's why I appreciate the way A and m H
the way they handle Jimbo like go beat Mississippi State
convincingly and then great win. Hey you're fired anyway, That's
how they did it.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
There are a few things here that we need to
take into consideration. You and I have talked a lot
about the new world order, so to speak. Where we
are in college football. Your roster is a real conversation
that needs to be had, and people will reference this
as trapping kids on the roster, or making sure guys
can't leave and they can look at us some sort
of a backdoor move to keep guys from hitting the portal,

(49:46):
but that thing opens up for thirty days. Or do
you want to go around and have some conversations with
some agents? Do you want to have some conversations with
some individuals and obviously not the coaching staff. I don't
know what takes None of us know how this really
operates when it comes to win you get rid of
a coach, how you get rid of a coach? What
actually takes place? And then the other part of that.
Of course, as always, this is not individual to this situation.

(50:08):
It's going to be Jimmy Sexon, Yeah, what does he want?
Who does he want? How does he want him to
go out. Like all of those things are real. Now,
we'll never know exactly how it works or what's going
to take place or what took place, but it's a
real factor in this, just like it is one hundred
other coaching hires and fires they are going to take
place for the next five years.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, I think the college football public, just general fans
would be shocked at how thoroughly powerful people can make
stupid ideas possible. And so that's what you always have
to be careful of when you're making coaching moves as well. So,
Kurt Signetti, I'll wait for Bradley to change the lower
because I actually want to clip this for later. Kurt Signetti,

(50:46):
as of the last few hours, re upped with Indiana
eight years, eleven point six mil per year on average.
Every dime of it is guaranteed. That's no different than
your deal with Wjox. Every dime of it is guaranteed,
and so good on sig Indiana like all of a
sudden college football powerhouse. Now. I looked at this and

(51:07):
many people said, oh, good for Indiana. It may be good.
You may be trashing them in four years for locking
up so much guaranteed money. I don't know how that's
going to turn out. I know, in the moment he's
a stud. They're rolling and he's not going to go anywhere.
So that's in the immediacy how it impacts the landscape.
But I also thought to myself, all right, what kind
of lesson does this teach? First thing is I think

(51:30):
I got three of them. First thing is, this is
such an indication of how rapidly the landscape has changed.
Because it used to really matter what kind of history
you had built up, and then what kind of tradition
and pageantry, all that stuff, facilities, all that stuff mattered
so much. That's why there was this clear hierarchy of
what the best jobs were. I know, to an extent

(51:51):
that still exists. I think that exists way more in
the eyes of fans and media than it does the
eyes of coaches. Now, that's the first thing. The second thing,
and this is the one that's eaten at me right now,
is Kurt Signetti was at James Madison in his early sixties.
He wasn't like a hot shot, up and coming coordinator. Okay,
he's there in his early sixties. He's been a known

(52:14):
commodity for a long time. Indiana took a chance on him,
and it didn't take a long time. It paid off immediately.
He was making a He was making a half million
dollars a year two years ago and now he's making
eleven point six million a year. So my point there
is number one, he's rich now. Number two? Is he

(52:34):
the only one out there for people who have job
openings coming up? Is Kurt Signetti just a true unicorn?
Or how many other guys that, if they're put in
the exact right situation, are sitting there coaching at lower
levels of power five or the FCS or G five
right now, that if dropped in a perfect situation, would
just explode. Because I gotta think the numbers above zero.

(52:57):
It may not be high. He is a special, special guy,
but I gotta think there's someone somewhere else out there
that it's There was no spotlight on sig when Indiana
hired him. It was an afterthought nationally. And I will
grant you that I didn't talk about it. Most people
didn't talk about it. Who is that guy? Who are
those guys out there? I'm not asking you for a list,
I'm saying that's where my mind went. Okay, they just

(53:20):
locked him up. Who's the next guy to pull this off?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I'm gonna go in a little bit of a different
direction with my answer here. Two part answer one, he
is Indiana's guy. He's Indiana's unicorn, because, as you stated,
how many guys are out there that if dropped into
that perfect situation that it would work. We've seen good
coaches in certain situations, be it geography, administration, individual player work,

(53:49):
or not work all over the place. The second part
would be infinity. I think there are hundreds of thousands
of guys out there. Most of them are never going
to be found.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Some of them are in high school.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Some murb D three. Where was Kaitlin Deboor eight or
nine years ago? Like, how often were we talking about
him when he was the head coach at Fresno State?
I mean, Indiana made a run with Pinnix and you
know he was on that staff and he got a
little bit of a discussion point there, But we weren't
talking about him when he was coaching at the lower
levels of college football. So, and there's going to be

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certain administrators in certain places that are never going to
go get that guy. How many times have we seen
the big name the obvious name the you have to
go get that guy.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Hell, Josh, we.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Hear the conversations of all I know is you gotta
get somebody with big coaching experience at a big school
it's a big winner. Well, first off, most of those
guys aren't leaving. Second off, if they're not winning big,
they're gone. They're going to be fired. So how long
are we sitting around waiting for a guy to find
out if he can win big at a big school.
I think there's a ton of guys that could go

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out there and win if the situation was right, if
the timing was right. Timing was right for him because
he had guys like Mark Cuban step up and say
how can we help get this right? And that changed
everything about the culture and what that place was and
what that place was capable of doing. Also, the transfer
portal was then available, whereas when I was at Auburn

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and Tommy Tubberville came in, he just got the strength
coach to go run us every day and hoping guys
would quit so he would have more scholarships to go
sign more JUCO kids. Not a real advantageous way to
accumulate more talent on your football team in a quick manner.
So timing is so much of it. The individual matters. Yes,
do I think Dan Lanning could go basically anywhere and win.

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I do, But he also has the ultimate booster behind
him that will do anything to help him win, and
that's not the reason he wins. But you and I
both know there's a lot of places that if you
don't jive with the guy that either thinks he's calling
the shots or absolutely is calling the shots, it doesn't
matter how well you recruit, It doesn't matter how well
you or how you scheme, or how you motivate or

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what your culture is. That timing is not going to
be right, and that is not going to flow to
the point of where you're gonna be able to get
the talent, You're gonna have time to coach him, you're
gonna be able to get the continuity going, and then
you're gonna be able to go win games. He also,
I mean, you think about the timing with Indiana, they
had a little bit of an advantage from a scheduling perspective.
Let's be real, like, how top heavy is the Big

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Ten the last two years, some really good teams at
the top. There's some not so good teams in the
middle and at the bottom. That's just part of the timing.
It's not the only reason he's winning how he is.
It's just it has to be taken into consideration.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah. I also had a buddy yesterday who was talking
to me. Is not like some insider or anything, but
he watches a lot of college football. He was talking
about the Penn State job opening, and then there may
be other jobs come open, and you know, he was
throwing around certain names, and so like my has been

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Matt Campbell. Anyone asks me who would I go after,
I always circle Matt Campbell, Like I think he'd be
a rock star at some of these major jobs. So
he said to me, I don't know, man, Campbell feels
like his opportunity, his window kind of already passed him by.
So I hit him back up. Today when Kurt Signetti
reupt with Indiana, I said, hey, hey, look at this

(57:22):
young guy that Indiana just locked up for the future.
And he said, six's not young. He's in his sixties.
I said, oh, wait, you mean his window hattn't passed
him by? You mean sixty four year old? And change
Kurt Signetti's window hadn't passed him by. Oh, that's interesting.
So you could still be the real deal even though
you've been around for a long time, once you're finally
given the right opportunity on the big stage, that's interesting,

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Which is why, like I look at a guy like Campbell,
I don't know how many more there are like him,
but me Mahl would call him a guy who's turned
pennies into nichols, nickels into dimes. For a long time,
I listened to these recruiting stories about how down to
the wire they're able to take early evaluations and offers
that they get and then they'll land kids, and then
the bigger boys will come in and offer them four

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x what Iowa State can offer an nil. But it'll
it'll get under the skin of some of these major
staffs because they have to fight Iowa State for guys
sometimes because they're real good at eval they're real good
at developing. And I just always ask myself, that's just
a bona fide football coach. It's a really good staff
around him. But more so than anything is the mentality.

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If I ever took that and I just dropped it
in the bucket in a major program, I think the
same thing about Mike Elco. I think about taking his mentality,
his ability, his ability to evaluate and develop dropping in
College Station, Texas, what's gonna happen? The early returns are
very positive, and I always think, like, what SIG's done,
what Mike's doing in College Station, It's exactly what a

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guy like Matt Campbell would do, I think at one
of these major jobs. Now I could be wrong about that,
but I just always love, Oh, well, he stayed at
Iowa State a little too long. What in the world
are we talking about when we say that, Why would
it matter? Why?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
I don't understand why that would even be an issue.
It's let's go back. We hear this about Jason Kandall
also at Toledo. Well, he's been at Toledo for X
amount of years. How do we know he could win
somewhere else. I feel like Chris Peterson had the same
conversations when he was at Boise. Did he get Washington
to the College Football Playoff?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I believe he did. So.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
There have been what we viewed as lifers at multiple
stops and multiple conferences, at multiple levels of college football
that have been able to move on somewhere else. And
find ways to win. I think it comes back down
to your formula, Josh, do you have the formula? Can
you help people be better? And can you get the
people around you that understand how to help people be better?

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Better recruiters, better motivators, better leaders, better instructors of the game,
which is something that I feel like is way down
the wrong of importance and when a lot of people
talk about college football this day and age, and actually
it should be rising in importance because we're getting new
guys in every six months that have never met, much
less played football next to each other. How quickly can

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you get those two guys on the same page, because
they're not going to be able to do it going
out and throwing fifty seven balls and twenty out routes
and twenty digs and twenty posts every night during the week.
You have to understand collectively what we're trying to do,
Understand the philosophy of our offense, our defense, and get
them to do that together. So if your process, if
your formula is one that wins with all those things involved,

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you're going to be able to win.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
At whatever level that it is of college football.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
So I've never bought into that I've never said, oh,
that guy's in D three, or that guy's at Jacksonville State,
or that guy's at Mercer. He can't go win somewhere
else if he's went in there. I almost think that
they're more in tune to be able to go win
at the higher levels of football when you do have
the resources. The only thing that becomes more problematic, in
my opinion, there is time management because you're being pulled
in so many different directions. Trust me, I've had the

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coaches tell me how much golf they were playing and
how many vacations they were taking in lower level of
football compared to where they are now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
That is the biggest difference.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
And to me, that comes down to something you and
I've also talked to before, hiring the right people around
you to say get back in the facility, stop doing that,
and come do this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Don't say that to the media.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
And then that's again getting the right people around you
that can help you be your best.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Did I hear right that you will have your family
in the building with you as you work Saturday for
the second time ever?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Second time ever?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yes, yeah, we're all gone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Is it nerve wracking? Do you feel the jitters a
little bit, knowing that they're watching judging, critiquing like I
do when I'm in the same building as you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
There's no way they're watching me. My kids are ten
to eight and five, they'll be watching. I'll be cheerleaders, fireworks,
jumbo trons plural and finding the next concession item that
they want to go get. They are going to sit
in regular seats for the first time ever, so I'm
excited to see how that goes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Oh wow, my wife out there in the general population. Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
But it's actually it goes right along with what we've
been talking about. It's when I'm doing a game by myself.
It's like me coaching in Division two or Naia. When
the entire family comes, that's me jump into the sec
because it's all about time management at that point, like
it's logistical nightmarish. But yes, the logistics of it completely

(01:02:25):
morph into something totally different. So it's actually a good
analogy that we use that fits into this weekend. Just saying, okay,
reservation extra hotel, Do we have tickets?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Can we do? We have a parking pass?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Where are we gonna be? Here's where I'm gonna be
at this time, this time, this time, this time, this time. Okay,
I'll have an.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Hour for you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Maybe on Friday, can we hang before the game? Possibly?
Do need to work a little bit though? When are
you're gonna be at the gate?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It's all that. Yeah, I really hope you're busy Friday's
all I care about is be busy Friday night. Have
no free time Friday night. Do not have any time
to watch any Instagram lives. Just go out on the town,
hit tumors, do whatever you can.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Already, thank Eli Drinkwitz for me not playing those games
with you again, because he demanded that we have a
zoom meeting at like six pm on Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I love I love it. We will be busy. By
the way, I was up there last weekend for the
Missouri Bama game. We were in the weight room working out.
Drink comes in, he says, come over here for a second.
We walk in the sauna and the whirlpool room, which
is dark, and he and I are talking, both arms crossed,
very serious faces, and one of his staffers walks in

(01:03:33):
and had the most uh oh, I just saw something
I'm not supposed to see look on his face and
ran out and I wanted to tell the guy there's
nothing happening here. He made me walk into the sauna room.
I don't even want to be in here. I don't
know why we're in here. We're not even talking about
anything all that important. So yeah, I love him, though
I love him. Big win coming potentially potentially for him. Saturday.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
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class at Auburn because I don't complain about officiating NonStop.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Oh yeah, you didn't. You did not jump on that grenade.
You avoided it, and shame on you. You had a
perfect on ramp there to get into good graces and
you instead chose to not say that the league office
in Birmingham has it out for Auburn University. Why why.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Some of us have standards in life, and one of mine,
from the time that I was a young lad playing
middle school football at Homewood Middle chose not to complain
about officiating and do what we could do on the field.
Like my friend Dana White always says, never let it
go to the judges. Same with officiating. Josh, what good

(01:04:52):
is it gonna do to complain about a flag?

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Tell me, tell me the good it does.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Other than satisfy your own heart and brain. It does nothing.
It does literally zero for anyone, to anyone, by anyone.
It doesn't just go play.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Actually, it did about one hundred and seventy thousand views.
That's what it did. One hundred and seventy thousand views
is what it did to complain about flags. Clickbait, paate,
that's from clickbait.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
About one hundred is about one hundred thousand more than
my not complaining about that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Until everyone subs Cube show sub. Okay, go eat dinner.
I'm going to eat dinner. I'll see you at some
point over the next few days. We got it right,
We're already ready, we got it right here we're going
Is that or is that the real thing? Yeah, that's
the real thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
No, it's little sliders at the wife made. She brought
it in here, getting that before we head to all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Even after that Tuesday night spectacle, you put on good
for her, good for her, and good for you. All right,
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Make sure you're subscribed to our channel and and cubes
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tomorrow what time Friday Night Lines is going to be.
We'll be on the sideline at Vandy Saturday. Who knows
I am being pressured. I am being pressured by Savannah
State to attend a second game Saturday, something about a
place she used to work and wanting to see friends.
I have no idea. I know I'm going to be
at Vandy Saturday, and I could pop up somewhere else.

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So make sure you're following. All right, Let's get out
of here. Appreciate you guys. We'll be back Sunday night
to recap it all for producer Jesse, Director Bradley. I'm
Josh Bay, Take care, enjoy the games, and God blessed.

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