July 26, 2023 • 36 mins
We are very excited to begin this episode with the start of an accessibility victory! After the good news, we need to have a moment of Truth Talk… We have a personal issue we have been struggling with and we feel it is time we share it with you. We hope you understand!
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(00:02):
Yay networks. I vow I vowto post to post every day. No,
I can't say that. I vowedto post more often, more often.
(00:24):
It's a big day here in thePaul Hill Road household. Is it
because I have a new side pouchon my view chair. It's been a
long time since you've had a pouch, hear out. In my life,
I've had several side pouches on myhilt chair, never quite found one that's
(00:48):
art, joy and held the numberof things that I fire like candy.
No, you don't even eat abottle opener? What my notepad? You
don't use a notepad. But thenjam Start invented an adaptive really share bag.
(01:10):
Yeah, that is perfect finally,and they very highly sent me one
ye, thank you jam Start.I mean it looks really good. I
will say that if you can.I don't think you can see it in
the video very well, but I'llbe piston farrios of it. Yeah,
I love it. And I needall of you to let me know what
fun and secret items I can putin my pouch too, live in our
(01:37):
spirits. Well, I put myphone in there. That was the first
item we put in my phone obviously, didn't have my wallet. Yep,
kit cats, oh or mints ofother high yeah, gum for me,
dumb chopstick. Tissues. Tissues isa big one. A bottle of beer
is a real one, so youdon't have to be used in my I
can't side if my chair is chairdoesn't have a good spot. So we've
(02:00):
had issues. But today's people whodon't know that, I can like use
your old chair to open beer bottlesor like what is happening? Old chair
used to have a really convenient itwasn't made for that. But yeah,
it was just a little triangle inone of the joints that just popped the
thing right off. And now thisone doesn't have it, so it's it's
(02:23):
a big deal. Actually, it'sbeen detrimental to our quality of life.
Yeah, it ruins our day moreoften than you might realize. Anyway,
this episode is not about my newpouch. I would love to spend five
more minutes. Yeah. We alwayshave a plan, and you never ever
(02:43):
stick to that plan. Every singletime we begin the podcast, you bring
up some personal Usually it's a grievance, but today it's a victory. I
like to begin unexpectedly. Yep,Yes, you do. I like to
deliver wonder you're speaking so slowly.Everyone was like, oh, okay,
(03:06):
speaking style it bothers me sometimes howto tell you every word? Just spit
it out? Yeah, No,he's thinking today, what are we doing
in this episode? We are goingto tell you about an accessibility. It's
it's it's kind of a victory.It's a victory victory, but there's more
(03:30):
more things that need to happen.So something exciting that happened, and then
we are going to talk about howexactly creators Well not quite that, but
it's not really going to be anapology. It's no, it's just some
personal issues we've been having that I'veled to business issues. And then to
wrap it up, what are wedoing? We are going to be telling
(03:52):
them about our recent trip that wejust took and some things that happened on
that trip. We did a reallybig speaking engagement. Yeah, like video
the vet did I know? Wenever really know when you go into a
speaking engagement. We can talk moreabout this, you know, when we
get to this segment. But wealways go into these and we don't normally
know how many people are going toattend, like they sometimes give us a
ballpark, but we don't usually know, we don't know the kind of room.
(04:15):
We got to this one. Itwas like it was a stage where
they have had major like plays andmusic acts. I was like, oh
my god. Yeah, and thereare hundreds, yeah, a lot of
people. So it was great,it really Yeah, we'll tell you about
that volte trip. Yeah, butlet's begin. Let's begin with something really
(04:36):
too. All that happened in theworld of disability. This past speech the
House YEP of our government past theFAA reauthorization at Yes they did, which
contains in it here's that slow language. Many accessibility improvements for flying with the
(05:04):
disability. Yes, and we're gonnago through that now and explained by this
is such a big deal. Yes. So this is a quote. It
says, if signed into law,this bill would represent the most substantial improvements
to accessible air travel since the AirCarrier Access Act was passed in nineteen eighty
six, which, uh what exactly, I'm sure like no offense to that
(05:26):
act. I'm sure before it itwas you couldn't fly or something, and
now you can. So that's great, but it leaves a lot to be
desired if before that they were allowedto turn you away if they didn't light
the way. The law, Well, they still do that if you don't
have Like I just heard about someone. It was a couple who was traveling
and they both use wheelchairs like youknow, not even like a power chair,
(05:47):
they both use manual chairs. Theywere traveling in some other country I
can't remember where. They got therefine, and then on the way home
they were turned away by the airlinebecause they didn't they didn't have like a
supervisor, they didn't have a guardianattendant. Yeah, and they were like,
oh, we've been on like amonth long backpacking trip in Europe,
like we're actually good to fly home. And they weren't a lot They had
(06:08):
to go on a different airline home. They were literally stranded. I read
that story as well. Yeah.Um, and that is a great example
of the kind of carrot landscape offlying with the disability. But maybe to
like drown keep a little bit moreyeah intended, Did you give a little
bit more contact about Wedgit Slide flyingwith the disability? Flying with you you?
(06:30):
I mean, we know what whatflying with your disability is, Like,
uh, I mean real, it'sit's not great. Yeah, I
don't really even know where to begin, Like if people don't have any background,
basically you can't take wheelchairs, youknow, onto the airplane with you.
They have to go down below inwith the luggage, where a lot
(06:51):
of the time they get damaged,really really badly. We'll have distatius like
real chairs are damage it's like twentysix a day, yeah, every day.
Yeah. And these chairs that weobviously rely on for our like existence.
Yeah, so when suddenly your yourmobility is taken away from you,
(07:13):
it can be catastrophic. Yeah.I mean a few years ago, a
woman died because she was put intoa loaner chair, Yeah, because they
the airline broker wheelchair and she gotpressure stores because like Shane can't sit.
Imagine if you were just given likea random chair, I mean, it
would be impossible, and she endedup passing away. So it's it's a
very very serious issue. It's terrible. And to make it worse, like
(07:35):
the process use of get him someonelike me on jim an airplane are woefully
insufficient. Yeah, and the processus if the airplane, if the airline
does break your chair, to reportit and get it fits are complicated and
long, Yeah, to the pointwhere like months you're gonna be months with
(07:59):
out a chair. Yeah. So, and you know, then like on
airplanes, bathrooms aren't accessible, andairports don't have accessible bathrooms. Many and
many thimbles that make it and notfun experience, many many things. But
you know, a lot of disabilityadvocates for years have been pushing for reform
(08:22):
to this whole process. Yeah,and finally we're matings and folly. I
do feel like in the past fewyears it's gotten way more strong. Yeah,
yeah, Okay, So these aresome of the things that are in
this act, this Reauthorization Act,and this was fassify the House. Yeah,
but that doesn't mean it's a lawyet needs to go to the Senate.
(08:43):
It will go to the Senate inSeptember apparently, so we have a
bit of time. But let's see, all right. The first thing it
says it mandates important technical and economicfeasibility studies to examine the use of wheelchair
spaces in planes, followed by agiatedrulemaking procedure to push these developments through the
next stage. It's kind of gibberish, but we put the I mean,
(09:05):
this is the big one, yeah, and I put it first because it's
the most side am of the filmwas in this bill. I mean,
mandating those studies to get wheelchairs onairplanes is huge. If you've been watching
air Channel, you know that we'vebeen or even into the void for years
saying we need to allow chairs onairplanes so the by and other val chair
(09:30):
users to roll on, get strappeddown and stay in the comfort and safety
of our chairs. Yeah. Andnow they're moving forward with LA figuring it
out. You know, that ishuge. I don't have any like hope
that it's going to be a fastprocess, but the fact that they are
allocating money and making it a rulethat they begin figuring it out. Yeah,
(09:58):
definitely. All right. Number two, stricter enforcement to address the shocking
mishandling of stowed mobility devices. Yes, so that's good, very good.
Yeah. Right, if you've raitin my chair, I get to break
you. Oh, that's going tobe the strict all right, improved training
(10:22):
on the handling of mobility devices forbaggage handlers, which is very important.
Every single time we fly, weduct tape all around with bubble wrap.
We like duct tape bubble wrap ontoShane's joystick and we've been taping a big
sign that says, do not touchon it, and yet every time we
have flown it has been wrenched outbecause people try to grab I don't even
(10:43):
understand. And that joint is sodelicate, Like seeing people out the window
of the plane wrenching on it andit just like breaking and you're like,
yeah, that is the most vitalpiece. It's it's horrifying. So yeah,
having more training for people to notstart yanking, like we had someone
on, like take off the bubblewrap and try to steer your chair that
(11:05):
way, but we take the likewe disconnect the batteries, so then they
were like wrenching on it and itwas just hanging by a thread and we
got the chair back. So morecertainly could be useful. Yes, all
right, more in depth training forairline staff charged with assisting disabled passengers to
transfer in and out of seats.Yeah. So we're fortunate in that Hannah
(11:26):
is able to carry me onto theplane and are strong and I'm small.
If you were any bigger, wewouldn't be able to fly. No,
the way that most people have tofly is airline employees who are poorly trained
YEA to lift them, have likea group lift, Yeah, and they
(11:46):
the well, and they sit ona tiny aisle chair with no sides to
it so that they can transfer.So you have to have the core strength
to sit upright with no support fora while while you're jostled down the airline.
Like you have to be not disabledfrom the waist up essentially, Like
it's very important or like strapped inand like have enough stability to hold your
head up and stuff. Shane cannotdo that. No, So if I
(12:07):
wasn't able to carry you, wewould absolutely be barred from airplanes. Yeah,
yeah, not possible. I meanthat people who have been severely injured
yea by the airline employee is liftingthem onto planes broken shoulders because they don't
like this. Every disability is veryunique unique. That was like fair.
(12:28):
Yeah, and there just needs tobe much more intensive training about how to
properly do that and how to listento people. Yeah, you know,
and take instruction from the person you'relike new them. Yeah, listen to
the person that you're helping. There'sno protocol. Listen to the person and
do what they say. Okay.Then more accessible in flight announcements. That's
(12:50):
a huge one. Yeah, ifyou can't hear the announcement, you have
no idea what's going on, right, Love. It efforts to improve whole
journey end to end accessibility from arrivalat the departure airport right through to leaving
the destination hub. So that's likeairport stuff, which is good. Yeah,
you know, making more sensible bathrooms, yeah, making wheelchairs more readily
available almost like that. Yeah,so you know it's we have a long
(13:16):
ready to go exciting though, butit's a great progress and we're you didn't
put a link below for you toget email or contact your senators because they
now need to pass this in September. Yes, and if we make noise
they will listen. Yeah. Sohopefully this is not like a you know,
(13:37):
an issue that rubs anyone, Like, how can this not pass?
I mean it passed in the housenon party said, yeah, so a
bad person let's yeah, right atboth sides before it. Yeah, so
hopefully it goes through. But itcan't hurt. To email your senator and
make sure that they know that thisis important. Yeah, tell them that
Shane wants to fly. That shouldbe the subject of your email. Delete,
(14:03):
Like, what is this? Alright, everyone, we're gonna tell you
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We're ready to talk about you know, what's been on our mind recently.
I wasn't smiling when you began that'sokay. I was looking in the
camera like I've lost sad puppie.Oh okay, Well that's fine, Shane,
(15:54):
to make whatever face you feel.That's kind feel Yeah, okay,
lost sad puppy. It's not good. Um. Basically, we've been thinking
about this for a while. Ithink this is just kind of like an
overarching feeling in our lives right now. Yeah. No, it's not even
that. It's it's like a mixof guilt and it's just a whole thing.
(16:15):
I don't know if people have thesame impression of this as us,
Like this might you might be like, I don't sense this at all,
But we feel like we have notbeen as present online, yes, on
YouTube, on insert like in ourcommunity as we have like for the past
I would say for the past year, there's definitely been a level of distance,
(16:40):
yeah, between us and our audience, our community online. Yeah,
and it bothers us, Like wehave been feeling guilt about it for about
a year, yeah, trying todiagnose it and improve it and yeah,
and it's not the it's not likehas nothing to do with the audience itself.
(17:03):
I Like, we just haven't beenputting out the same kind of content
like all we make right now,like we've made it. I mean,
this isn't this isn't like a hardtruth. But the majority of what we're
making right now is these podcasts andfor some reason we haven't been able to
like make other stuff. It's justnot happening. And we like every day
we like plan for it, andwe're like, we should make up long
(17:25):
about this, and it just likehas not come together. We should make
it posted about this, and allITV takes is a photo, yeah,
a little ataption and it just doesn'tdon't do it. Because what I believe
we can talk about why we thinkthis has happening is as we've risen in
popularity and our audience, says Aron, We've subsequently become much more censored so
(17:55):
as to protect our mental and emotionalhealth. Yeah, is that do you
think that? No? I thinkI mean this one hundred percent started for
me a year ago when I hada bunch of reels on Instagram that went
like viral. Yeah, we hadone that got like one hundred and thirty
million views in like thirty Yeah,and then I went up seven hundred thousand
(18:15):
Instagram followers within like a month,and a large number of those followers were
not being nice to you. Yeah. And it wasn't even just like like
the one hundred twenty five million.Every video was getting millions and millions of
views, you know, fifty percentof the comments on those videos or more
were not from people who followed me. They were from people who it was
(18:37):
popping up on there or whatever,And so many of the comments were so
mean, like rude, you know, which we're used to. But when
it's one hundred twenty five million,like that video probably has one hundred thousand
comments, that number is like hawrdto wrap your head around. Yes,
but let me just like let youknow that it feels overwhelming. Yes,
render medium literally and endless. Yeah, stream of like people talented instantly shouldn't
(19:03):
be married. Yeah, people likeexplaining why we shouldn't have kids. Yeah,
our fertility journey also made it harder. That is such a personal thin
and there are all these people outthere, yeah, her teeth, everything
about being hateful and yeah, exactly, not even just like that we shouldn't
(19:26):
have kids, but people who werelike I didn't. I mean, maybe
this is naive of me. Ididn't expect people to have an issue with
us doing IVF. Yeah, likeas like a science, like as a
thing, people being like you shouldn'tbe doing that, Like I just didn't
expect that. So there's just awhole lot of things where every time we
post now it just feels exhausting thatthis is going to be an onslaught of
(19:47):
whatever opinion. And I can alreadyhear your comments saying ignor the hitters.
Yeah, there are plenty of usthat love you. That's why we feel
guilty. Yeah, we feel bad. I'd like, we we love those
of you who are supportive and showup for every post and have nice things
(20:08):
to say. Yeah, but it'simpossible to just ignore the level of like
ignorance and hatred that we receive.And it's like if you went to work
every day and half of the peoplelike screamed insults in your face, and
your nice coworkers were like, whyis that bothering you? Just ignore them?
I'm nice to you. You know, It's like it really does.
(20:30):
It's not like a fake thing that'shappening. It's a real thing that's happening
that you can't just be ignored.Like that's just not possible. And so
like, we love what we do. We love mating things to make you
laugh or that entertain you and helpyou learn about disability. But we're finding
ourselves more and more questioning. Yeah, every idea we have on like a
(20:52):
much deeper level than we used to. Oh we used to have an idea
make it boom, post it yehooray. Now we're like, oh,
well that's going to get this negativereaction and what about people that might negative
believe respond in this other way?And you know what, maybe let's not
do it. Yeah for everything fora year, so we make nothing,
(21:14):
Like our number of posts must havegone down by like, so what is
a resolution here? We don't havea resolution we're trying to be better,
and I am really curious if peoplehave even noticed that we haven't. That's
the thing. Yeah, I wonderif people have noticed. I don't know
if all of them are like,no, we didn't know that. We
didn't say that. I didn't knowthis, um, but we just want
(21:36):
don't let you know if you didnotice that that we do feel guilty.
It is something that we talk aboutevery signal day, um. And we
are working on ways that we cankind to bolster our confidence and emotional state
and not where it is much aboutthe criticisms because we want to post more.
Yeah, we want to make videosand not care about all the mean
(22:02):
people out there. Yeah seriously,So hands in, hands in on the
town of theory, on the countof three, pick your hand on top
of man. We're doing that.The team than like, want you know
that we're doing a fist bump.We can do that, right, that's
more accessible. That's more accessible tome, it's more accessible to you,
Hannah. Yes, I say,Shade Shane, I vow I vow to
(22:26):
post to post every day. Ican't say that I vowed to post more
often, more often, and andif people are mean to me if people
are mean to me, block them, block them, and and don't give
up. And don't give up Imean jobs on three okay, want to
(22:55):
jobs. I think that did it. I feel reinvigorate you. That was
all. It took a year oftalking about this and you just needed a
team cheer. I just needed tocheer. They didn't even making posts for
that one. Whoever set the othersshould share outs on yeah, yeah posts
the vast hanner. We can trythat. That technique at work. A
(23:21):
little positive information. All right,We're going to take a quick break and
then we'll be back to tell youabout our recent trip and speaking engagement.
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(25:18):
rating for each other to begin.I thought, yeah, I was
like, I'll let Shane take thisone, and then we just sat silently
for like seven seconds, scary deadinto the tabra. Last week, Hannah
and I spoke at the key BacksWorldwide Confins. I'm gonna repeat that in
case that wasn't clear. Tea backsnot one of other words that I could
(25:38):
say. Very well, what isthat? Do you know what it stands
for? Travel? Well? Iknow that it's a town place for travel
bureaus and travel creatives. Yes,people that made talenttent about travel. V
gave the keynote on what was ourtopic. It was a out how we
(26:00):
got our start in content creation,how we have grown kept going all of
that, Yeah, and how likeauthenticity plays a role in what we do.
I like, I really really enjoyeddoing that speech because we normally do
one that's much more about like ableismand our relationship, and we did.
We talked about that in this speechbecause like that's that's the whole part of
(26:23):
our channel, you know, that'swhy we started our channel and all that.
But this was much more focused onlike on our content creation. They
liked it a lot. I thoughtcraft yeah, yeah, there's a fun
like different type of talk for us. Yeah. The conference was in Claire
was Content, Yes, where we'vebeen before and fell in love with out
(26:45):
little town. Um, so wewent that there for one night. The
night before the speech, we walkedaround the player. We got a nice
dinner and the Matrice at the restshot where we eight, Yeah, remembered
us from a year again. Shewas like, it's been a year.
We were like, it has She'sso friendly. She was like, how
(27:07):
have you been? Yeah, andwe remembered her. We were hoping we
would have her again. We wereat the same table, it was.
It was exactly the same, andthen her was tumidd Anna spilled. Oh
my god, my espresio Matini.I cannot believe you remember this. I
bumped his espresso Martini and a teaspoonof liquid like slashed over the rim and
(27:33):
landed on the table. And youshould have seen his face. It was
like I took it and smashed thewhole thing on the ground. Shock betrayal.
It was unbelievable, wrote out inmy favorite hit, she let me
get another one. Yeah, shewas like, fine and get full one.
Why did you give me a babyvoice? Because that's literally how you
(27:55):
sounded when you were begging for asecond espresso martini. But then we want
to get Yes we did, didner? Who get this right? Hands the
hands very similar. I was delicious. Their food is so good, Like
the entire meal. We were justlike, wow, this is so good.
(28:15):
Wow, this is so good.Every bite him. Yeah. Oh,
I had to tell like part ofthe stories that during dinner, two
people recognize us and like said highvery friendly. Um, And as we
want to get him, we raninto three even more different people who recognize
us. Yeah. And I sharethis because Hanna and I even noticed him
(28:40):
that every time we leave the house. Yeah, we are getting recognize a
lot of people more than normal.I think it's my reel that has one
hundred and twenty five million views.I'm not kidding, Like, I feel
like so many people have just seena couple of our reels and they recognize
us. You know, I sawan interview with but I will say hold
on, I will will say thatmost of the people who like, all
(29:02):
of the people that come up tous know us very deeply. Oh yeah,
so it does not seem like thesepeople have only seen a real or
two like that happens every once ina while, but everyone that we talked
to had like it was very clearthat they knew a lot about us.
Yeah, so I don't know.I saw him the interview, how it's
been weird for us, like asour fame has increased, Like it's just
(29:23):
a weird thing to experience more andmore people that know you out in public.
It's cool, but yeah, AndI was watching an interview with Miss
your Beast, who is like themost popular YouTuber, and he was talking
about his rise in fame and howat one hundred thousand viewers, you have
(29:45):
no way of conceiving what your famewill be like at a million. Yeah,
and then you're at a million,you have no idea sinceiving fifty million.
I can't even remember ten million.Yeah, like it it increases,
unrealistically at every step. Yeah,and we're a million or more. Yeah,
(30:08):
and it feels I don't know howwe could be more recognized than we
are right now. Yeah, you'rea friend. It's something I can't even
imagine people like him who are yeahso so visible. Yeah, we're like
everyone on earth. Yeah, knowsyour face. Yeah, all right,
(30:29):
anyway down they went back to ourhotel and pat at the bar. Yes,
we did. We took wrote allof our notes down on our notes,
like added things we had to witchup earlier. The next morning did
they had a very friendly uh baristaat the hotel coffee shof and there was
(30:52):
no more sugar available. And thiswhich, if you know us, is
a major problem for Hannah. Ohit was you like sugar in your coffee?
Do you had gotten all of Igave you like the four remaining sugar
packets. Yeah, and then Irealized there was none for me. This
employee had to like almost leave thebuilding. I don't know where she went,
(31:12):
but she left the coffee shop.She left for a long time.
She find a sugar yeah, andruns that this little like it was like
a to go tupper aware of sugarbecause there were no more packets. So
friendly, so nice, so helpful. And then it ended up that she
was familiar with our work as well, so that was nice. Yeah,
(31:33):
thank you again. She saved ourvery our drink our morning before our speaking
engagement. So it's like Saturday am, We're getting that coffee headed every conference
center and the conference center is biggerthan we realized. It was a beautiful
I don't know how new that buildingwas, but it seemed very new.
(31:55):
Yeah, and it was beautiful righton the river or rivers that meet there.
Um. And then we saw allthe place that we were speaking for
the first time, and it wasa very very nice legit stage, main
stage, like the spotlight. Soyes, every day I felt like they
were performers. I know. Didit make you even more nervous? Yea,
(32:20):
I actually was not very nervous nervous. I wasn't nervous. I don't
know why obviously to say I felt, for the first time ever like I
was more nervous to do. Yeah. See we were sitting backstage and I
was not nervous. I don't knowwhat got into me. My hands very
say that's interesting, Yeah, yourhands were dripping sweat. It was it
was bad. You were pretty chillthere I was, And really well it
(32:44):
did. So you're out of stagein the spotlight and they see there's like
forty to five hundred people in theaudience. I was like, guilb you
know why I think I wasn't nervousbecause I have never had a sense for
counting people, like knowing how manypeople like and counting anything. If you
give me like the jar of jellybeans thing, and it's like you can
(33:05):
win, you know, a computer, if you can guess the number of
jelly beans, I will be offby a thousand jelly beans. I cannot
highball and number. It holds aboutfive thousand in my care. You're like
it's forty. Um. So Idon't have a sense of that. And
so I think I didn't think it'sfor many people because when Shane, when
we finished, Shane was like,that must have been four ingred people,
(33:27):
and I genuinely was like, Ithought it was like eighty people. And
then I count. I was like, see like eight across ten back,
and then I was like, ohno, no, it was like thirty
and like thirty backs. It wasnot. It was absolutely not eighty people.
But it was a great audience,and I thought I talked on it
(33:47):
really well. They laughed the wholetime, um, and it was with
us, not at us. Yes, sometimes was nice. Um. And
then we locked there on the conferencea little bit net a BUNCHI travel bureaus.
Yeah, that was all very friendly. The conference itself seemed like an
amazing conference Toudio too, and Iwish we'd been able to go to like
(34:08):
all of it. They had tripsbeforehand that participants could go on. Yeah,
like two different areas of Wisconsin,a really really cool conference, so
many, so many cool people there. Yeah. Uh and then on our
walk back to the hotel recognized likeduring more time, we were all right,
we's freaking out about this, Butoverall it was a great trip,
(34:31):
great experience. Bad key bats andClaire for house Stam got to go back
soon. Everyone from visit Claire also, I know. It's so friendly.
They were all homing up to us, like referencingem our Lair of Loves that
we did, yeah a year ago, and it was just very sweet of
them. Yeah, they were awesome. So that's where we are at in
(34:55):
life. Oh that was kind ofa little twist anyw Oh, Claire is
awesome, but that's how that's wherewe are in life. Well, I'll
be We told them about the accessibilitydegree. Yeah, and then our performance
is shoes and call it. Ohmy god, that's the title of the
(35:16):
episodem. Oh, the actually mighttell it that, Oh my god.
No, all right, reading endthere. Yeah, I hope you enjoyed
the podcast everyone, and we'll beback with some new content very soon any
day now. If you enjoyed thisepisode, said yeah, if you enjoyed
(35:39):
this episode, please like, comment, subscribe, leave us a review wherever
you're listening. All of that stuffand it's a junkyard out there, and
we all have performance is shoes attimes. You stuck on this. It's
not something to be ashamed of,Shane. You just see you accept it.
(36:01):
I don't hear it. I'm performedbed Okay, goodbye everyone. H
Yay networks. I vow I vowto post to post every day. No,
I can't say that. I vowedto post more often, more often.
(00:24):
It's a big day here in thePaul Hill Road household. Is it
because I have a new side pouchon my view chair. It's been a
long time since you've had a pouch, hear out. In my life,
I've had several side pouches on myhilt chair, never quite found one that's
(00:48):
art, joy and held the numberof things that I fire like candy.
No, you don't even eat abottle opener? What my notepad? You
don't use a notepad. But thenjam Start invented an adaptive really share bag.
(01:10):
Yeah, that is perfect finally,and they very highly sent me one
ye, thank you jam Start.I mean it looks really good. I
will say that if you can.I don't think you can see it in
the video very well, but I'llbe piston farrios of it. Yeah,
I love it. And I needall of you to let me know what
fun and secret items I can putin my pouch too, live in our
(01:37):
spirits. Well, I put myphone in there. That was the first
item we put in my phone obviously, didn't have my wallet. Yep,
kit cats, oh or mints ofother high yeah, gum for me,
dumb chopstick. Tissues. Tissues isa big one. A bottle of beer
is a real one, so youdon't have to be used in my I
can't side if my chair is chairdoesn't have a good spot. So we've
(02:00):
had issues. But today's people whodon't know that, I can like use
your old chair to open beer bottlesor like what is happening? Old chair
used to have a really convenient itwasn't made for that. But yeah,
it was just a little triangle inone of the joints that just popped the
thing right off. And now thisone doesn't have it, so it's it's
(02:23):
a big deal. Actually, it'sbeen detrimental to our quality of life.
Yeah, it ruins our day moreoften than you might realize. Anyway,
this episode is not about my newpouch. I would love to spend five
more minutes. Yeah. We alwayshave a plan, and you never ever
(02:43):
stick to that plan. Every singletime we begin the podcast, you bring
up some personal Usually it's a grievance, but today it's a victory. I
like to begin unexpectedly. Yep,Yes, you do. I like to
deliver wonder you're speaking so slowly.Everyone was like, oh, okay,
(03:06):
speaking style it bothers me sometimes howto tell you every word? Just spit
it out? Yeah, No,he's thinking today, what are we doing
in this episode? We are goingto tell you about an accessibility. It's
it's it's kind of a victory.It's a victory victory, but there's more
(03:30):
more things that need to happen.So something exciting that happened, and then
we are going to talk about howexactly creators Well not quite that, but
it's not really going to be anapology. It's no, it's just some
personal issues we've been having that I'veled to business issues. And then to
wrap it up, what are wedoing? We are going to be telling
(03:52):
them about our recent trip that wejust took and some things that happened on
that trip. We did a reallybig speaking engagement. Yeah, like video
the vet did I know? Wenever really know when you go into a
speaking engagement. We can talk moreabout this, you know, when we
get to this segment. But wealways go into these and we don't normally
know how many people are going toattend, like they sometimes give us a
ballpark, but we don't usually know, we don't know the kind of room.
(04:15):
We got to this one. Itwas like it was a stage where
they have had major like plays andmusic acts. I was like, oh
my god. Yeah, and thereare hundreds, yeah, a lot of
people. So it was great,it really Yeah, we'll tell you about
that volte trip. Yeah, butlet's begin. Let's begin with something really
(04:36):
too. All that happened in theworld of disability. This past speech the
House YEP of our government past theFAA reauthorization at Yes they did, which
contains in it here's that slow language. Many accessibility improvements for flying with the
(05:04):
disability. Yes, and we're gonnago through that now and explained by this
is such a big deal. Yes. So this is a quote. It
says, if signed into law,this bill would represent the most substantial improvements
to accessible air travel since the AirCarrier Access Act was passed in nineteen eighty
six, which, uh what exactly, I'm sure like no offense to that
(05:26):
act. I'm sure before it itwas you couldn't fly or something, and
now you can. So that's great, but it leaves a lot to be
desired if before that they were allowedto turn you away if they didn't light
the way. The law, Well, they still do that if you don't
have Like I just heard about someone. It was a couple who was traveling
and they both use wheelchairs like youknow, not even like a power chair,
(05:47):
they both use manual chairs. Theywere traveling in some other country I
can't remember where. They got therefine, and then on the way home
they were turned away by the airlinebecause they didn't they didn't have like a
supervisor, they didn't have a guardianattendant. Yeah, and they were like,
oh, we've been on like amonth long backpacking trip in Europe,
like we're actually good to fly home. And they weren't a lot They had
(06:08):
to go on a different airline home. They were literally stranded. I read
that story as well. Yeah.Um, and that is a great example
of the kind of carrot landscape offlying with the disability. But maybe to
like drown keep a little bit moreyeah intended, Did you give a little
bit more contact about Wedgit Slide flyingwith the disability? Flying with you you?
(06:30):
I mean, we know what whatflying with your disability is, Like,
uh, I mean real, it'sit's not great. Yeah, I
don't really even know where to begin, Like if people don't have any background,
basically you can't take wheelchairs, youknow, onto the airplane with you.
They have to go down below inwith the luggage, where a lot
(06:51):
of the time they get damaged,really really badly. We'll have distatius like
real chairs are damage it's like twentysix a day, yeah, every day.
Yeah. And these chairs that weobviously rely on for our like existence.
Yeah, so when suddenly your yourmobility is taken away from you,
(07:13):
it can be catastrophic. Yeah.I mean a few years ago, a
woman died because she was put intoa loaner chair, Yeah, because they
the airline broker wheelchair and she gotpressure stores because like Shane can't sit.
Imagine if you were just given likea random chair, I mean, it
would be impossible, and she endedup passing away. So it's it's a
very very serious issue. It's terrible. And to make it worse, like
(07:35):
the process use of get him someonelike me on jim an airplane are woefully
insufficient. Yeah, and the processus if the airplane, if the airline
does break your chair, to reportit and get it fits are complicated and
long, Yeah, to the pointwhere like months you're gonna be months with
(07:59):
out a chair. Yeah. So, and you know, then like on
airplanes, bathrooms aren't accessible, andairports don't have accessible bathrooms. Many and
many thimbles that make it and notfun experience, many many things. But
you know, a lot of disabilityadvocates for years have been pushing for reform
(08:22):
to this whole process. Yeah,and finally we're matings and folly. I
do feel like in the past fewyears it's gotten way more strong. Yeah,
yeah, Okay, So these aresome of the things that are in
this act, this Reauthorization Act,and this was fassify the House. Yeah,
but that doesn't mean it's a lawyet needs to go to the Senate.
(08:43):
It will go to the Senate inSeptember apparently, so we have a
bit of time. But let's see, all right. The first thing it
says it mandates important technical and economicfeasibility studies to examine the use of wheelchair
spaces in planes, followed by agiatedrulemaking procedure to push these developments through the
next stage. It's kind of gibberish, but we put the I mean,
(09:05):
this is the big one, yeah, and I put it first because it's
the most side am of the filmwas in this bill. I mean,
mandating those studies to get wheelchairs onairplanes is huge. If you've been watching
air Channel, you know that we'vebeen or even into the void for years
saying we need to allow chairs onairplanes so the by and other val chair
(09:30):
users to roll on, get strappeddown and stay in the comfort and safety
of our chairs. Yeah. Andnow they're moving forward with LA figuring it
out. You know, that ishuge. I don't have any like hope
that it's going to be a fastprocess, but the fact that they are
allocating money and making it a rulethat they begin figuring it out. Yeah,
(09:58):
definitely. All right. Number two, stricter enforcement to address the shocking
mishandling of stowed mobility devices. Yes, so that's good, very good.
Yeah. Right, if you've raitin my chair, I get to break
you. Oh, that's going tobe the strict all right, improved training
(10:22):
on the handling of mobility devices forbaggage handlers, which is very important.
Every single time we fly, weduct tape all around with bubble wrap.
We like duct tape bubble wrap ontoShane's joystick and we've been taping a big
sign that says, do not touchon it, and yet every time we
have flown it has been wrenched outbecause people try to grab I don't even
(10:43):
understand. And that joint is sodelicate, Like seeing people out the window
of the plane wrenching on it andit just like breaking and you're like,
yeah, that is the most vitalpiece. It's it's horrifying. So yeah,
having more training for people to notstart yanking, like we had someone
on, like take off the bubblewrap and try to steer your chair that
(11:05):
way, but we take the likewe disconnect the batteries, so then they
were like wrenching on it and itwas just hanging by a thread and we
got the chair back. So morecertainly could be useful. Yes, all
right, more in depth training forairline staff charged with assisting disabled passengers to
transfer in and out of seats.Yeah. So we're fortunate in that Hannah
(11:26):
is able to carry me onto theplane and are strong and I'm small.
If you were any bigger, wewouldn't be able to fly. No,
the way that most people have tofly is airline employees who are poorly trained
YEA to lift them, have likea group lift, Yeah, and they
(11:46):
the well, and they sit ona tiny aisle chair with no sides to
it so that they can transfer.So you have to have the core strength
to sit upright with no support fora while while you're jostled down the airline.
Like you have to be not disabledfrom the waist up essentially, Like
it's very important or like strapped inand like have enough stability to hold your
head up and stuff. Shane cannotdo that. No, So if I
(12:07):
wasn't able to carry you, wewould absolutely be barred from airplanes. Yeah,
yeah, not possible. I meanthat people who have been severely injured
yea by the airline employee is liftingthem onto planes broken shoulders because they don't
like this. Every disability is veryunique unique. That was like fair.
(12:28):
Yeah, and there just needs tobe much more intensive training about how to
properly do that and how to listento people. Yeah, you know,
and take instruction from the person you'relike new them. Yeah, listen to
the person that you're helping. There'sno protocol. Listen to the person and
do what they say. Okay.Then more accessible in flight announcements. That's
(12:50):
a huge one. Yeah, ifyou can't hear the announcement, you have
no idea what's going on, right, Love. It efforts to improve whole
journey end to end accessibility from arrivalat the departure airport right through to leaving
the destination hub. So that's likeairport stuff, which is good. Yeah,
you know, making more sensible bathrooms, yeah, making wheelchairs more readily
available almost like that. Yeah,so you know it's we have a long
(13:16):
ready to go exciting though, butit's a great progress and we're you didn't
put a link below for you toget email or contact your senators because they
now need to pass this in September. Yes, and if we make noise
they will listen. Yeah. Sohopefully this is not like a you know,
(13:37):
an issue that rubs anyone, Like, how can this not pass?
I mean it passed in the housenon party said, yeah, so a
bad person let's yeah, right atboth sides before it. Yeah, so
hopefully it goes through. But itcan't hurt. To email your senator and
make sure that they know that thisis important. Yeah, tell them that
Shane wants to fly. That shouldbe the subject of your email. Delete,
(14:03):
Like, what is this? Alright, everyone, we're gonna tell you
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issues. Oh boy, Hannah,you know what I would rather be giving
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this like live tracker, Yeah,so you can see you can lie yeah,
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We're ready to talk about you know, what's been on our mind recently.
I wasn't smiling when you began that'sokay. I was looking in the
camera like I've lost sad puppie.Oh okay, Well that's fine, Shane,
(15:54):
to make whatever face you feel.That's kind feel Yeah, okay,
lost sad puppy. It's not good. Um. Basically, we've been thinking
about this for a while. Ithink this is just kind of like an
overarching feeling in our lives right now. Yeah. No, it's not even
that. It's it's like a mixof guilt and it's just a whole thing.
(16:15):
I don't know if people have thesame impression of this as us,
Like this might you might be like, I don't sense this at all,
But we feel like we have notbeen as present online, yes, on
YouTube, on insert like in ourcommunity as we have like for the past
I would say for the past year, there's definitely been a level of distance,
(16:40):
yeah, between us and our audience, our community online. Yeah,
and it bothers us, Like wehave been feeling guilt about it for about
a year, yeah, trying todiagnose it and improve it and yeah,
and it's not the it's not likehas nothing to do with the audience itself.
(17:03):
I Like, we just haven't beenputting out the same kind of content
like all we make right now,like we've made it. I mean,
this isn't this isn't like a hardtruth. But the majority of what we're
making right now is these podcasts andfor some reason we haven't been able to
like make other stuff. It's justnot happening. And we like every day
we like plan for it, andwe're like, we should make up long
(17:25):
about this, and it just likehas not come together. We should make
it posted about this, and allITV takes is a photo, yeah,
a little ataption and it just doesn'tdon't do it. Because what I believe
we can talk about why we thinkthis has happening is as we've risen in
popularity and our audience, says Aron, We've subsequently become much more censored so
(17:55):
as to protect our mental and emotionalhealth. Yeah, is that do you
think that? No? I thinkI mean this one hundred percent started for
me a year ago when I hada bunch of reels on Instagram that went
like viral. Yeah, we hadone that got like one hundred and thirty
million views in like thirty Yeah,and then I went up seven hundred thousand
(18:15):
Instagram followers within like a month,and a large number of those followers were
not being nice to you. Yeah. And it wasn't even just like like
the one hundred twenty five million.Every video was getting millions and millions of
views, you know, fifty percentof the comments on those videos or more
were not from people who followed me. They were from people who it was
(18:37):
popping up on there or whatever,And so many of the comments were so
mean, like rude, you know, which we're used to. But when
it's one hundred twenty five million,like that video probably has one hundred thousand
comments, that number is like hawrdto wrap your head around. Yes,
but let me just like let youknow that it feels overwhelming. Yes,
render medium literally and endless. Yeah, stream of like people talented instantly shouldn't
(19:03):
be married. Yeah, people likeexplaining why we shouldn't have kids. Yeah,
our fertility journey also made it harder. That is such a personal thin
and there are all these people outthere, yeah, her teeth, everything
about being hateful and yeah, exactly, not even just like that we shouldn't
(19:26):
have kids, but people who werelike I didn't. I mean, maybe
this is naive of me. Ididn't expect people to have an issue with
us doing IVF. Yeah, likeas like a science, like as a
thing, people being like you shouldn'tbe doing that, Like I just didn't
expect that. So there's just awhole lot of things where every time we
post now it just feels exhausting thatthis is going to be an onslaught of
(19:47):
whatever opinion. And I can alreadyhear your comments saying ignor the hitters.
Yeah, there are plenty of usthat love you. That's why we feel
guilty. Yeah, we feel bad. I'd like, we we love those
of you who are supportive and showup for every post and have nice things
(20:08):
to say. Yeah, but it'simpossible to just ignore the level of like
ignorance and hatred that we receive.And it's like if you went to work
every day and half of the peoplelike screamed insults in your face, and
your nice coworkers were like, whyis that bothering you? Just ignore them?
I'm nice to you. You know, It's like it really does.
(20:30):
It's not like a fake thing that'shappening. It's a real thing that's happening
that you can't just be ignored.Like that's just not possible. And so
like, we love what we do. We love mating things to make you
laugh or that entertain you and helpyou learn about disability. But we're finding
ourselves more and more questioning. Yeah, every idea we have on like a
(20:52):
much deeper level than we used to. Oh we used to have an idea
make it boom, post it yehooray. Now we're like, oh,
well that's going to get this negativereaction and what about people that might negative
believe respond in this other way?And you know what, maybe let's not
do it. Yeah for everything fora year, so we make nothing,
(21:14):
Like our number of posts must havegone down by like, so what is
a resolution here? We don't havea resolution we're trying to be better,
and I am really curious if peoplehave even noticed that we haven't. That's
the thing. Yeah, I wonderif people have noticed. I don't know
if all of them are like,no, we didn't know that. We
didn't say that. I didn't knowthis, um, but we just want
(21:36):
don't let you know if you didnotice that that we do feel guilty.
It is something that we talk aboutevery signal day, um. And we
are working on ways that we cankind to bolster our confidence and emotional state
and not where it is much aboutthe criticisms because we want to post more.
Yeah, we want to make videosand not care about all the mean
(22:02):
people out there. Yeah seriously,So hands in, hands in on the
town of theory, on the countof three, pick your hand on top
of man. We're doing that.The team than like, want you know
that we're doing a fist bump.We can do that, right, that's
more accessible. That's more accessible tome, it's more accessible to you,
Hannah. Yes, I say,Shade Shane, I vow I vow to
(22:26):
post to post every day. Ican't say that I vowed to post more
often, more often, and andif people are mean to me if people
are mean to me, block them, block them, and and don't give
up. And don't give up Imean jobs on three okay, want to
(22:55):
jobs. I think that did it. I feel reinvigorate you. That was
all. It took a year oftalking about this and you just needed a
team cheer. I just needed tocheer. They didn't even making posts for
that one. Whoever set the othersshould share outs on yeah, yeah posts
the vast hanner. We can trythat. That technique at work. A
(23:21):
little positive information. All right,We're going to take a quick break and
then we'll be back to tell youabout our recent trip and speaking engagement.
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(25:18):
rating for each other to begin.I thought, yeah, I was
like, I'll let Shane take thisone, and then we just sat silently
for like seven seconds, scary deadinto the tabra. Last week, Hannah
and I spoke at the key BacksWorldwide Confins. I'm gonna repeat that in
case that wasn't clear. Tea backsnot one of other words that I could
(25:38):
say. Very well, what isthat? Do you know what it stands
for? Travel? Well? Iknow that it's a town place for travel
bureaus and travel creatives. Yes,people that made talenttent about travel. V
gave the keynote on what was ourtopic. It was a out how we
(26:00):
got our start in content creation,how we have grown kept going all of
that, Yeah, and how likeauthenticity plays a role in what we do.
I like, I really really enjoyeddoing that speech because we normally do
one that's much more about like ableismand our relationship, and we did.
We talked about that in this speechbecause like that's that's the whole part of
(26:23):
our channel, you know, that'swhy we started our channel and all that.
But this was much more focused onlike on our content creation. They
liked it a lot. I thoughtcraft yeah, yeah, there's a fun
like different type of talk for us. Yeah. The conference was in Claire
was Content, Yes, where we'vebeen before and fell in love with out
(26:45):
little town. Um, so wewent that there for one night. The
night before the speech, we walkedaround the player. We got a nice
dinner and the Matrice at the restshot where we eight, Yeah, remembered
us from a year again. Shewas like, it's been a year.
We were like, it has She'sso friendly. She was like, how
(27:07):
have you been? Yeah, andwe remembered her. We were hoping we
would have her again. We wereat the same table, it was.
It was exactly the same, andthen her was tumidd Anna spilled. Oh
my god, my espresio Matini.I cannot believe you remember this. I
bumped his espresso Martini and a teaspoonof liquid like slashed over the rim and
(27:33):
landed on the table. And youshould have seen his face. It was
like I took it and smashed thewhole thing on the ground. Shock betrayal.
It was unbelievable, wrote out inmy favorite hit, she let me
get another one. Yeah, shewas like, fine and get full one.
Why did you give me a babyvoice? Because that's literally how you
(27:55):
sounded when you were begging for asecond espresso martini. But then we want
to get Yes we did, didner? Who get this right? Hands the
hands very similar. I was delicious. Their food is so good, Like
the entire meal. We were justlike, wow, this is so good.
(28:15):
Wow, this is so good.Every bite him. Yeah. Oh,
I had to tell like part ofthe stories that during dinner, two
people recognize us and like said highvery friendly. Um, And as we
want to get him, we raninto three even more different people who recognize
us. Yeah. And I sharethis because Hanna and I even noticed him
(28:40):
that every time we leave the house. Yeah, we are getting recognize a
lot of people more than normal.I think it's my reel that has one
hundred and twenty five million views.I'm not kidding, Like, I feel
like so many people have just seena couple of our reels and they recognize
us. You know, I sawan interview with but I will say hold
on, I will will say thatmost of the people who like, all
(29:02):
of the people that come up tous know us very deeply. Oh yeah,
so it does not seem like thesepeople have only seen a real or
two like that happens every once ina while, but everyone that we talked
to had like it was very clearthat they knew a lot about us.
Yeah, so I don't know.I saw him the interview, how it's
been weird for us, like asour fame has increased, Like it's just
(29:23):
a weird thing to experience more andmore people that know you out in public.
It's cool, but yeah, AndI was watching an interview with Miss
your Beast, who is like themost popular YouTuber, and he was talking
about his rise in fame and howat one hundred thousand viewers, you have
(29:45):
no way of conceiving what your famewill be like at a million. Yeah,
and then you're at a million,you have no idea sinceiving fifty million.
I can't even remember ten million.Yeah, like it it increases,
unrealistically at every step. Yeah,and we're a million or more. Yeah,
(30:08):
and it feels I don't know howwe could be more recognized than we
are right now. Yeah, you'rea friend. It's something I can't even
imagine people like him who are yeahso so visible. Yeah, we're like
everyone on earth. Yeah, knowsyour face. Yeah, all right,
(30:29):
anyway down they went back to ourhotel and pat at the bar. Yes,
we did. We took wrote allof our notes down on our notes,
like added things we had to witchup earlier. The next morning did
they had a very friendly uh baristaat the hotel coffee shof and there was
(30:52):
no more sugar available. And thiswhich, if you know us, is
a major problem for Hannah. Ohit was you like sugar in your coffee?
Do you had gotten all of Igave you like the four remaining sugar
packets. Yeah, and then Irealized there was none for me. This
employee had to like almost leave thebuilding. I don't know where she went,
(31:12):
but she left the coffee shop.She left for a long time.
She find a sugar yeah, andruns that this little like it was like
a to go tupper aware of sugarbecause there were no more packets. So
friendly, so nice, so helpful. And then it ended up that she
was familiar with our work as well, so that was nice. Yeah,
(31:33):
thank you again. She saved ourvery our drink our morning before our speaking
engagement. So it's like Saturday am, We're getting that coffee headed every conference
center and the conference center is biggerthan we realized. It was a beautiful
I don't know how new that buildingwas, but it seemed very new.
(31:55):
Yeah, and it was beautiful righton the river or rivers that meet there.
Um. And then we saw allthe place that we were speaking for
the first time, and it wasa very very nice legit stage, main
stage, like the spotlight. Soyes, every day I felt like they
were performers. I know. Didit make you even more nervous? Yea,
(32:20):
I actually was not very nervous nervous. I wasn't nervous. I don't
know why obviously to say I felt, for the first time ever like I
was more nervous to do. Yeah. See we were sitting backstage and I
was not nervous. I don't knowwhat got into me. My hands very
say that's interesting, Yeah, yourhands were dripping sweat. It was it
was bad. You were pretty chillthere I was, And really well it
(32:44):
did. So you're out of stagein the spotlight and they see there's like
forty to five hundred people in theaudience. I was like, guilb you
know why I think I wasn't nervousbecause I have never had a sense for
counting people, like knowing how manypeople like and counting anything. If you
give me like the jar of jellybeans thing, and it's like you can
(33:05):
win, you know, a computer, if you can guess the number of
jelly beans, I will be offby a thousand jelly beans. I cannot
highball and number. It holds aboutfive thousand in my care. You're like
it's forty. Um. So Idon't have a sense of that. And
so I think I didn't think it'sfor many people because when Shane, when
we finished, Shane was like,that must have been four ingred people,
(33:27):
and I genuinely was like, Ithought it was like eighty people. And
then I count. I was like, see like eight across ten back,
and then I was like, ohno, no, it was like thirty
and like thirty backs. It wasnot. It was absolutely not eighty people.
But it was a great audience,and I thought I talked on it
(33:47):
really well. They laughed the wholetime, um, and it was with
us, not at us. Yes, sometimes was nice. Um. And
then we locked there on the conferencea little bit net a BUNCHI travel bureaus.
Yeah, that was all very friendly. The conference itself seemed like an
amazing conference Toudio too, and Iwish we'd been able to go to like
(34:08):
all of it. They had tripsbeforehand that participants could go on. Yeah,
like two different areas of Wisconsin,a really really cool conference, so
many, so many cool people there. Yeah. Uh and then on our
walk back to the hotel recognized likeduring more time, we were all right,
we's freaking out about this, Butoverall it was a great trip,
(34:31):
great experience. Bad key bats andClaire for house Stam got to go back
soon. Everyone from visit Claire also, I know. It's so friendly.
They were all homing up to us, like referencingem our Lair of Loves that
we did, yeah a year ago, and it was just very sweet of
them. Yeah, they were awesome. So that's where we are at in
(34:55):
life. Oh that was kind ofa little twist anyw Oh, Claire is
awesome, but that's how that's wherewe are in life. Well, I'll
be We told them about the accessibilitydegree. Yeah, and then our performance
is shoes and call it. Ohmy god, that's the title of the
(35:16):
episodem. Oh, the actually mighttell it that, Oh my god.
No, all right, reading endthere. Yeah, I hope you enjoyed
the podcast everyone, and we'll beback with some new content very soon any
day now. If you enjoyed thisepisode, said yeah, if you enjoyed
(35:39):
this episode, please like, comment, subscribe, leave us a review wherever
you're listening. All of that stuffand it's a junkyard out there, and
we all have performance is shoes attimes. You stuck on this. It's
not something to be ashamed of,Shane. You just see you accept it.
(36:01):
I don't hear it. I'm performedbed Okay, goodbye everyone. H
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