106 Just Two Good Old Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Howdy Ben.
How are you today?
I'm doing all right, geneYourself.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm doing pretty good .
I guess all said and done.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah, I've been stuffy lately, so apologies for
making you switch times.
But yesterday morning.
I you don't have to keep an eyeon your nose, yeah, yeah yeah,
okay, carmen, I woke upyesterday morning and I just was
so plugged up and it wasn'teven funny, and then, uh, I

(00:29):
didn't want to get a late startbecause my parents were coming,
and so do it today, didn't?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
um, you know, no one actually knows or cares when we
do this show, they just carewhen it posts.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
But okay well, I, but I, I care well, I care too.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I mean, I that's because I gotta be around for it
.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
That's the thing you see yes, this would be, uh, you
know, kind of a thing yeah,exactly.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So we got a lot of topics okay, where do you want
to start?
I don't, well I.
That's why I'm trying to be aconsultatory here and then see
what your thoughts are.
But you know, obviously trump'sbeen kicking ass in most
categories, although some of usstill wish there was a lot more
happening with the atf front.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
But well, I mean he paused a lot of lawsuits he, did
he but.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
but that could be taken two different ways,
because they asked for anindefinite pause, which means
that the chance of this thingactually going to the Supreme
Court just got put to zero aslong as the lawsuit is paused,
there can be no judgments on itand no findings of

(01:42):
unconstitutionality and nofindings of unconstitutionality.
It's a sneaky way to actuallyprevent something from being
judged unconstitutional is tojust pause the lawsuit
indefinitely.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Sure, but that, or maybe he's waiting to get an ATF
director in there and changesome stuff.
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, sure, if you want to look at the glasses full
side of it, that could be, butthose of us that are used to not
getting the glasses full fromthe ETF are not particularly
happy with this announcement.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, we will see.
Also, it looks like the Gazadeadline has come and gone,
which was a little surprising tome that nothing has really
happened.
But you know he's using whatare they gonna?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
do well, I mean military action didn't we just
use an aircraft carrier up there, or something?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
yeah, well, he also.
They did um release severalmore hostages, but he said he
wanted all of them and not dribsand drabs.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, the drip and drab is bullshit.
That's not how you do it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't know.
We'll see what ends uphappening.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah.
I think this is a poor strategy.
I think they should have neverdone a ceasefire.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
They would have had Gaza cleaned up by now, maybe.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You don't negotiate with terrorists and any
non-military personnel.
Deaths are the fault of theperson that started the war not
the other side.
I think they should have keptgoing.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well, you also think that Gaza doesn't need to exist.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
So well, I mean, Gaza is a place.
It's always going to exist.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
You know what I mean.
Mm Hmm.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, it's, uh, historically been a part of
Egypt.
I think I'd be totally fine ifegypt just got gaza back well, I
mean, that is a possibility inthis.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
They don't want.
No, they don't.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's the problem absolutely don't want it.
They they have a probably oneof the most stable uh arab
political systems in place,other than the one instance of
Hillary Clinton's colorrevolution.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I don't know how you can say that, considering they
almost had a revolution.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, they did have one, but the point is that they
managed to push that back andget rid of the US installed
government and get rid of the USinstalled government, but as
far as that part of the world Imean, they don't want to become
another Syria, they don't wantto have other countries battling

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a war on their territory, andso they're trying to stay as far
away from Gaza as possible.
And in fact, I just looked atthe stats yesterday the number
of people pre 7th, the number ofpeople that were allowed
through the Gaza-Egypt border,was about 10% of the number of

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people that were going intoIsrael every day.
Okay.
So it is a that border like.
If US wants to have a exampleof a border that is held tightly
with nobody sneaking across,that would be the Gaza-Egypt
border.
Clearly, the Israeli one wasn'tvery good because they had so

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many people get across and, youknow, take out of that whole
concert.
So I totally understand whygyptdoesn't want this okay, but uh,
you know what's the answer thenwell, I I think a novel answer
is for the us to take it, whichI think would be interesting.

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It would certainly shake up, uh, and do something no one's
really thought of.
Um well, the one thing thatthat is obvious is if nothing
changes, nothing will changethat's a very profound statement
, I know such amazing wisdomthere you might want to quote me

(06:06):
on that, sir.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Sir gene, circa 2025, if nothing changes nothing,
nothing if nothing changesnothing changes, which is really
just a rephrase of the olddefinition of insanity which is
doing the same thing andexpecting different results.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
So, you know, either you need to get the people in
Gaza that want to kill Israelisout of Gaza or you need to get
all the Israelis out of Israel.
That's your two options.
There's not a third one there,unless you want to go novel,
like the us coming in andgetting rid of all the uh

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palestinians and then taking itover for beachfront gulf
property yep you know I, I'mokay with uh in any of the
options there.
Really, yeah, yeah getting,incidentally, if you look at the
history of europe, a lot ofwars were waged not principally

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because one country was mad atanother country, but because
there was a third party involvedthat it made more sense to go
to war to have an effect on thethird party, and the actual
country that they were at warwith was just the sort of
incidental recipient of war okayso I, I, you know I'm there's

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historical, I guess, uh, uh,historic.
What's the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Uh, precedent yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Historical precedent for doing something like the U S
coming in and taking over Gaza.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Uh, I mean, there's a lot of historical precedent.
Now I will say that you know,uh, we have legal agreements in
place that say you know, we havelegal agreements in place that
say you know, no country willexpand its territory through
military means.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So, legal agreements.
Please, even small countries,don't give a shit about those.
Why would the biggest country,most heavily armed country in
the world, care about that?
Hey?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
hey, hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm just saying the world will scream and yes, you
know what I've been posting onthe x like every hour lately is
fuck the eu, because the eu islike a little little bitch well,
not just the eu but well, inspecifically the eu after
vance's speech, as I suppose weshould talk about that.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh, dude, that's.
Oh, it was so good Like thatright there may have just gotten
my vote for Vance.
Oh, a lot of people have saidthat it's like okay clearly,
four years from now, vance isgetting my vote.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So this is really like Trump is the setup guy at
this point for an eight yearvance presidency which, if trump
goes through, kicks ass anddoes the hard stuff yeah and
then we get vance for eightyears.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
That would be ideal yeah, well, it might really
fucking turn the country around.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
It might.
It might actually give yourkids a chance to make money.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
And me?
Don't forget about me here.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I keep forgetting you're still a youngster.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think we certainly could notafford another four years of a
Biden-like Democrat.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
No, we couldn't.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Which also means we couldn't afford any more
Obamacrat, because that'seffectively who is running the
country.
There's more and more peoplecoming out of the woodwork
saying that Obama was constantlyin communication with not Biden
but White House.
Yeah, throughout the last fouryears but is that shocking to
anyone?

(10:09):
I don't think it's shocking,but it it's nice to hear that
it's not just a conspiracytheory, that it actually has
happened.
There are people that werethere that are leaking this now
you know we'll, we'll see what,uh, what the answer?
also explains why obama got sogray oh, because he continued

(10:32):
running the country.
Yeah, method yeah, well, I mean, he's younger than me, I think,
and he's really gray uh, he'svery gray, but also he's married
to michelle, you know it's likeyou look at bill clinton,
people are more gray.
I don't think I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
You look at bill clinton and you look at obama
and then you look at their wivesand you go yeah okay, okay, I
got, one's got a strap on theother.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
One doesn't need one exactly now, you watched.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
You watched the blair white.
In fact, you're the one whosent it to me video on is
Michelle a tranny?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I I have to tell you truth.
I I started watching it andthen a video game video popped
up and I saw a switch to that.
So I only watch about fiveminutes before I sent to you
okay, well, I watched a littlemore than you.
Okay, and she does not makesense that.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Michelle, is you know ?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
No, no, too ugly.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
She's not buying it.
Just thinks that you know someof the videos.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
She's a high testosterone gal.
I don't know man, I'm sorry butI mean talk about big boing
like for real, not as a Cartmanexcuse, but Michelle is not a
small woman.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
No, she's tall, she's very muscular, she's not like
slender and tall.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
She's not like an elf .

Speaker 1 (11:53):
She's like a freaking .
Her back looks like abodybuilder.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Uh-huh, her back is whiter than barack's back I dude
, hey, I fully buy into michelleobama is a man but, you know,
that's me but do we want herthough?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
what do you mean on team man uh?
I mean I think we've been doinga pretty good job of basically
getting rid of all our unwantedmen onto team women lately I
mean, I guess, sure, uh, I, Idon't think you can get rid of,

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I think chromosomes arechromosomes almost got rid of
that britney griner dude, butunfortunately russia kicked him
out well, britney griner isanother one that I think is very
obviously uh, you know, not awoman yeah, a high t gal man.

(13:02):
I just I don't understand whythis is controversial to yeah
just take their damn pants off,show the world, and then we'll
be done talking about it.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well, I mean, it's a little more than that, but sure.
More like a DNA test.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
DNA test yeah.
Hmm.
Well, I don't know if you'veever.
Actually, I'm not going to gothere.
Never mind, let's just continueon.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
If I've ever what.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Never mind, we don't need to do it on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I just think a DNA test would be
important.
If someone had a really goodsurgeon.
Mm-hmm.
All right, important if someonehad a really good surgeon, all
right.
So what about the speech?
Did you at least listen to allof uh speech?
Yeah, yes, yeah, I watched allthat stuff I, I think it was a.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
He was right on that edge of being like almost
trump-esque where he's gothyperbole, but I feel like he
didn't really cross over thatborder, like all of it was
factual, not just hyperbole.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think he did a really, really fantastic job of
stating things in a way thatwere insulting enough to get the
point across and get what heneeded to say done, but in such

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a way that it was not, uh, toyour point, hyperbole or over
the top and something peoplecould go oh look, he can't even.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
He's obviously just an idiot like trump yeah, and
this is the the problem thattrump and um, uh, let's face, uh
, our local austin guy here.
Um, alex, that they both have islike they're both intelligent
guys that sound like kicks.

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And on top of sounding likekicks, they both love to use
hyperbole and it, like a normalintelligent person should
recognize the difference betweenwhen it's done for effect or if
the person actually believesbullshit.
But the media is not a normalperson and so everything they

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present is like oh my God, lookhow stupid these people are.
They're talking completegibberish.
Well, you know, when Alex saysthe frogs are turning gay which
he also, by the way, I don'tknow if you saw I sent a video
to your mom.
He just reset about two daysago while he was out camping.
Holy shit, that guy lost a lotof weight.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
I mean, I'm not surprised he has lost some
weight.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, he's lost about 100 pounds.
He's probably about 165 rightnow.
In like a very, very, very goodshape.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
yeah, so anyway.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
And he's starting to do videos kind of like your
buddy Zayhan, like outdoors inthe middle of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
In a pretty background.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
It's like what the hell, alex?
What are you meeting up withZayhan now?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Hey, you know, maybe Alex had some atrazine.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Maybe Alex had some atrazine.
He does, like Blair White, anawful lot.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Maybe, Alex had some atrazine man you know, uh-huh,
uh-huh.
Exactly.
Maybe it's not just the frog.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I've been eating a lot of frog legs, I guess.
Maybe that's it.
So, anyway, going to hell.
I think that JD has that silvertongue that both trump and alex
don't, combined witha highintelligence and a uh.

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He also I think he has a.
He's a charmer.
He's got a charming personality, even when he is completely
disarming his opponents.
He's got a smile on his face,and this is, I think, something
that I completely did not seewhen Trump first picked him.
I was like who the hell is thisguy?
Why is he picking him?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, and I was a little upset because JD Vance,
when it started, was a neverTrumper, but apparently he has
come around.
You know, yeah, he's coming tothe light.
You know, yeah, he's come intothe light, as it were.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and I think it probably was getting to know
Trump, which I don't know.
If you saw the speech byKennedy, by Robert Kennedy Jr,
that he talked about the firsttime that he spent any time with
Trump and how basically Trumpended up like playing with his

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kids and just being a normal, atotally normal guy.
He saw not a billionaire NewYork investor in real estate,
but he saw a guy who lovesfamily and just very normal

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basic things and that kind ofset the stage for him or changed
his mind enough to basicallyjust drop out of the campaign.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, I think there were several things there, but
yes.
And I, you know, I thinkKennedy's very much the same way
in a lot of ways, because he isnot a typical Kennedy.
He's not no.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Even though he grew up in Camelot Ish yeah.
Well, I mean, he's runningaround the White House as a
little baby.
Now he's running around theWhite House as an adult and to
me the weirdest thing is stilljust seeing larry david's tv

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wife in the white house.
Like what that?
That?
Just if they don't include thatin the next season of curb?
Your enthusiasm that?
How the hell did cheryl manageto, you know, end up being
married to a guy in the way theyhave to do that?
There's no excuse not to dothat.
This is an actress who'sbasically only famous for one
show.

(19:27):
She's not really done anythingelse and uh.
So I think she kind of owes theshow to actually reprise her
role, as now somebody's married,somebody's working in the white
house, it doesn't it like it'san actor?
I don't care if it, because shewas dating on larry david's uh
show on the curb.

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She was a dating ted danson, oreven getting married to ted
danson, um, who was also friendswith larry.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
But you know, I've never watched this show really
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, I'd say it's pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty
good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
You know the show I want us to watch next, though.
Which one Archer.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, I'm okay with Archer.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I want us to reprise Archer, because I started
rewatching some of it.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Oh, well, you're too early.
We got to do that Miami Viceshow first.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
No, I'm not going to do Miami Vice.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
no, I'm not going to do Miami Vice.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
The people have voted .
They said Miami Vice, that'swhat we're going to watch.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
We had one person vote.
I don't agree with that person.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
We have 100% of the voting public that voted and
agreed on Miami Vice.
Okay, anyone who's listening.
If you want us to watch miamivice, which I want to watch, let
ben you can watch it.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You can watch it no, I know, I know but, if I'm gonna
watch miami vice, I'm not gonnabe watching archer at the same
time that's why I went witharchers, because it's an over
the top thing, but at least it'sfunny.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I, I like art.
Well, you realize, archer hasan awful lot of stuff from Miami
, exactly.
That's why I chose that, yeah,that's because you'd you'd be
the guy choosing the cartoon ofstar Trek over the real star
Trek.
I get it.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
That's, that's your whole generation, Actually.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
star Trek the animated animated series sucked,
and I'm not talking about lowerdecks is okay, you're the one
who was trying to get me towatch lower decks.
Lower decks is pretty good.
Now I did watch the crossoverepisode they did.
That was pretty funny oh, withuh strange new worlds, yeah yeah

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, the, the chick that plays Ican't remember her name the
black girl.
Who's the chick?
That is like the main character, mariner, mariner, yeah, yeah,
she's really cute.
Okay, I guess I mean she's cuterin real life than she is in a

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cartoon is what I mean.
Well, duh okay, I think I meanshe's cuter in real life than
she is in a cartoon is what Imean.
Well, duh.
Well, no, because I don'texpect hot actresses to be doing
voiceovers, you know, I meanlike oh, I wouldn't call her hot
definitely harder than thecartoon.
Look, um, it's.
It's like if you look at thepeople that are voicing family
guy, there's one hot chick thereamongst the entire group.

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That's about it.
Okay, all right, mila kunis.
But um, generally, ironically,like an actual hot chick, yeah,
but I you know it's funnybecause obviously she took that
part on in a big lull in acting,right, that was something for
her to do, some voice actingwork for a cartoon, okay.

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And then she just stuck with itforever, even though she did a
bunch of movies.
And now she's a happy mom.
She's not doing anything.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I didn't know Mila Kunis was a mother.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she married Ashton Kutcher
.
I didn't know thata Kunis was amother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, shemarried Ashton Kutcher.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I didn't know that they had a kid, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
It could be the second one by now, but yeah,
because Ashton Kutcher was withthe Mean War forever.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Like, that's some photos.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I wouldn't mind seeing.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Jesus Christ, what do you do all day?
Not watch drama, come on, no, Idon't know.
I've always liked mila.
She's uh, she's a cutie pieshe's your type, a little she's
definitely my type.
She's a little little gal withthe uh dirty sense of humor.
If you've ever seen our craigferguson that somebody else had

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mentioned this, by the way thathow?
How did ben not mention craigferguson?
When we're talking about shows,what do you mean?
Did you ever watch craigferguson's show?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
the late night show.
Yeah, I'm not a big late nightshow fan.
I caught a little bit of it.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
You caught a couple episodes, yeah, yeah so that's
why there's never been a latenight show like Craig had.
First of all, craig has got tobe the most intelligent guy
who's ever hosted any late nightshow, and probably the funniest

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as well, basically, since itwas on at 11 pm or 11.30,
whatever it was.
It was just nonstop gettingright to the edge of what you're
allowed to do on networktelevision in flirting with
actresses.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Okay cool.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
There's a whole series of YouTube videos that
are nothing but cut cut-ups ofdifferent actresses.
Multiple time appearances oncraig ferguson I think that guy
either was, or could have beenbanging like three actresses a
night I like craig ferguson.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I think he's hilarious.
So you know, there's that, yeah, but um, I don't know, I just
like the man show was uh stupid,I know I thought it was
hilarious.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, it's it's, it's stupid, idiotic caricatures of
what men find funny I thought itwas hilarious anyway, yeah I
think, um, dave ch.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I find that hilarious , yeah, you know, but the late
night interviews and talk showsand stuff like that I just don't
care.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, I'm going to send you a video that's kind of
a mashup.
See if you'll see next episode.
If you change your mind aboutCraig and I'm not suggesting we
rewatch his shows because theyare very much set in a
particular time, there's noreason to do that.
But if you missed outcompletely on watching this
stuff, at the very least there'ssome youtube videos out there

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that kind of do the best of bitsokay, I've never liked any of
the late night comedians, is thepoint well, he's not any of the
late night comedians.
He's an actual funny person.
Most late night comedians getthat job and, frankly, take that
job because they think that'stheir best option.
They're not funny withoutwriters.

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That's the whole point.
Craig didn't need writers.
Everything he's doing iscontemporaneous.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
So can we go back to the vice?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
archer vice president .
Oh, vice president, what hesaid or you know anyway.
Yeah, I don't think anyonecares about the craig ferguson
thing at this point okay, if youcare about craig ferguson,
please let ben know, because benkeeps being wrong about things
and you know, far be it for meto remind them when somebody
else can be doing that oh anyway.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So you know, jd really kind of went through and
told, especially in germany, andthis was at a munich security
conference, right this was ingermany and basically said um,
if you're not allowing thealternative for deutschland, uh,
to come in, and if you can'tsurvive the vote, then your

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democracy isn't.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's not a democracy.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's not a democracy and you cannot the United States
cannot help you and you cannothelp the United States.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Exactly so.
That was the subtle messagingthat basically said if you don't
get with the program and stopall this PC Nazification that
you're currently doing, you'recurrently doing yep uh, you're
gonna get kicked out of natocongratulations, or the us may
just leave nato well, that couldbe, but I think it's easier for
the us to simply say you arehereby notified that within 30

(27:39):
days, your membership will beterminated unless you pay 10
years back.
Pay for nato, uh, you know,budgetary spending, blah, blah,
blah.
We could come up with a waythat basically makes them be
kicked out without saying you'rekicked out because you give
them an alternative and say well, look, you haven't been
contributing.
Why would, why would you?

(28:00):
We keep you in an organizationwhere you're not contributing as
a member?
You know, you're simply gettingon TV and bashing Ukraine is
not a contribution.
So and I think one of the movesthat Trump can make that would

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actually be greatly cheered bypeople like you and me is to
start closing down germanmilitary bases.
Oh, that would that would send avery strong message to germany
yeah, it would screw theireconomy yes, let's do it because
, uh, we have been paying foreurope with those bases, with
supporting their economies, asEurope has become a lot more

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socialist and you know whateverway you want to label the
politically correct behaviorthat's happening.
Jd Vance's examples werebrilliant where he said you know
, almost all of EU politicianscheered when I think it was
Sloakia or one of thosecountries had canceled their

(29:07):
elections because they didn'tlike the outcome well that yeah,
not canceled but declared aredo because of russian
interference it's like yes,blame the big bad boogeyman for
election interference when youdon't get the result that you
want.
Right.
That is not a democraticbehavior.
That is not a behavior the usought to be supporting no, it's

(29:29):
autocratic and frankly, I don'tthink that there's any real,
actual threat to any of thesecountries becoming buddy buddy
with russia.
And then, because, really, whydo we have military bases there?
Because we didn't want r Russiato keep expanding westward.
We wanted to stop the expansionof the Soviet Union and the

(29:50):
communism that was happening inEastern Europe as much as
possible, and so, even after theSoviet Union and Suns fell, we
wanted to ensure that that neverhappens again and therefore we
accept these countries into NATOand effectively prevent them
from ever becoming buddy-buddywith Soviet Union, slash Russia.
But at this point, the amountof vitriol that has happened

(30:16):
from these European countriesthat have nothing to do
whatsoever with with ukraine andwere frankly reliant on on
russia for their uh energy werelike little chihuahuas, little
rabid dogs that just started yip, yip, yip, yip, yipping, and I
think that pulling out usmilitary out of germany would

(30:38):
both send a tremendous uhmessage to germany saying you
fucked up.
This is not why we spent thetrillion dollars that we have
since world war ii to create agermany, that is democratic.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
What multiple trillion, multiple trillions.
I'm trying to?
Yeah, I'm trying to be you know, minimizing it the point is.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's more than billions.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It is absolutely over a trillion dollars that we've
spent on germany yes, and whatit comes down to is I, I think
we want them to be democratic, Ithink we want them to be able
to uh but we're doing the samething with them.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
We're enabling them to be going down the wrong path,
just like we were with USAIDand all these other groups in
the government that for 80 years, regardless of who was in
office, were steering towards atotalitarian version of anything

(31:41):
but Russia.
I mean, it's like it wasliterally a religion, and in
Germany, in a lot of the sameways their religion is.
Uh, we can act just like we didin world war two, as long as we
don't have any imagery thatlooks like world war two.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, I understand, I agree.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Did you listen to?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
the recent episode of Rogan with Mike Benz.
No.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I'm not a big fan of Mike Benz.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Why.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
He's a dick.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I mean, so you should get along swimmingly.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
He was an extreme anti-Trumper, extreme
anti-Trumper.
Okay trumper, extremeanti-trumper.
Okay, uh, he, uh.
There's a number of libertarianpoints that, uh, that he has
pushed, that I just don't agreewith.
I just I, I don't like the guyokay.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well, let me just say this it's worth listening to
for just the information that hepresents on USAID and the
software.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, that part of it is.
Yeah, he's been very rabidlyinto USAID and that's a good
thing.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And he's been very right about a lot of things for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
That's hyperbole.
He's not, absolutely not, beenright about a lot of things, but
that USAID he has been rightabout One thing does not make a
lot.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Okay, well, anyway, it is an episode worth listening
to.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Did you see that our buddy Adam was on Joe Rogan?

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, I did.
It was kind of not a greatepisode, though, sadly.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well, I think they're just two buddies talking.
I mean, it was more like myepisode with Darren.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
The problem is like Adam, he told several of the
stories that he's told on therebefore is like he told several
of the stories that he's told onthere before and that you know,
I don't know that that's a goodthing for the old people
audience.
Yeah, I guess let's see.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I guess it's like your grandfather telling the
same story over and over andover.
Uh, I think he's not yet, butyou know you're not yet um, you
know I I will say that I've hada couple of people text me and

(34:14):
say hey do you know that adam'schristian, because this is the
first time they've seen him onanything since that happened.
So like three years, I guessfour years, whatever it's been
so I you know, just cuz he's onJoe Rogan.
Telling the same storiesdoesn't mean the same people are
listening.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'm okay enough, fair enough.
I all right.
It was less of a episode for meto listen to, then I'll put it
that way yeah, you didn't getmuch out of it.
No, yeah so the trumpadministration is talking about
auditing fort knox I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
What, yeah, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
auditing fort knox like what gold is actually?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
there's no gold in fort knox there hasn't been in
30 years, 40 years it'll be veryinteresting public disclosure
we have these issues come out inthe 80s that fort knox had
actually moved all its gold sothat it wouldn't be concentrated
it was in that whole processwas part of a James Bond movie

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made in the 70s about how FortKnox is shifting around their
goal.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
The point is it's part of the sovereign wealth
fund that he's setting up.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
There is nothing and it's empty.
There's nothing there?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Well, it'll be an interesting public accounting,
won't it?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Nope, can't let that go out.
That would crash the US economyovernight.
So it really doesn't matterwhat's there or what's not there
.
You cannot say anything otherthan everything's good.
Why?
Because it would literallycrash the US economy.
Why?
Why?
If the US doesn't have anystored gold, that means the

(36:04):
dollar is worthless well, thedollar isn't backed up by any
gold at all a country not havingany gold at all to trade with
others other than in its owncurrency makes the currency
worthless.
The currency why do you thinkChina has been buying?
I think Russia's been going gowe just back it up with nukes no

(36:24):
, that's not enough.
Nukes don't make other peopletrade with you.
Nukes just keep them from doingthings you don't like, but they
don't make them trade.
This is, this is where the um,I think, if people are thinking
that nukes are going to beenough, this is where there's a
big mistake about belton road,as well as uh bricks in general,

(36:45):
because if you build anorganization based on trade,
that's very different thanbuilding an organization based
on a threat of nuclear attackokay, so let's let's back up one
.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I think that there that we do have some gold, and
the question is how?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
much we do.
Yeah, I just don't thinkanywhere near as much as we're
supposed to.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Right, okay, fine.
And second of all, the USdollar is already, you know,
fairly worthless and we need tosee about, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
US bonds would be trading at a negative if there's
no gold in Fort Knox.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I don't know that.
I believe that, but anyway, solet me ask you this why are they
proposing auditing Fort Knox?
They shouldn't be.
Why and why do you think?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
they are.
That's what I just said.
Why are they?

Speaker 1 (37:40):
But everything that he's done and he has impressed
the hell out of both of us for awhile Unless they want to use
that as a way to convince peoplethat everything's okay.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
So if the audit of Fort Knox is we're good to go,
everything is just the way itshould be, then I'd be more
suspicious that okay.
Well, this was obviously theplan.
All along is to show look,we've found problems everywhere,
so you can trust us.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And we found no problems at Fort Knox and you
can trust us because it's acover-up, or maybe there's
actually gold in.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Fort Knox?
I don't think so.
Do you believe that agovernment that has basically
been running with both partiesin control, mind you, up until
this particular term of Trump,including Trump's last term A
government that's been runningit basically just doing a money

(38:35):
laundering operation for itselffor literally since the Civil
War, that somehow they wouldmanage to keep their little
greedy fingers out of fort knox?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
come on um, I think there's no need for them to
touch the actual gold, thoughright, they get the money, they
get the power, they geteverything without touching do
you know what a person, whatthey don't have?
Okay, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
And granted that, there's plenty of people that
did not turn in their gold whenthey were mandated to by the US
government which is how Fort.
Knox originally got all itsgold, but that number of people
who didn't turn it in, I think,is still way less than the
amount of gold that we're goingto.
Well, we probably won, won'tknow, but that is actually

(39:28):
missing from fort knox becausethis was going around again.
This is shit.
I heard in the 80s that, thatit was a not particularly
contested fact that fort knoxwas a whole

Speaker 1 (39:40):
bunch of tungsten bars covered in gold and maybe
that's the case and maybe theaudit will just go count number
of bars yeah, if they're looking.
As long as we never have tosend it out.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Every audit they've done so far has just been a
bunch of teenagers looking atcomputer screens.
At least that's what the mediatells me, so I have to believe
you did see uh you did well, yes, which was hilarious like that.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
That happened since the last time we uh yeah yeah,
no, the big balls is uhhilarious um and I I love
watching the news media have tosay it over and over and over
again and uh, the funniest memeI saw was anderson cooper saying

(40:27):
I don't like big balls, andthen it was.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Nobody believes him, right?

Speaker 1 (40:31):
no, it's the uh anchorman underneath saying I
don't believe you which is justhilarious.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
But yeah, or or that other black dude who's gay.
What's his name?
Don Rickles or something.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh Don Lemon.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Lemon yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, anyway, it's just.
The hilarity has continued.
It is amazing what is beingdone.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I am very happy about it.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Did you see, though, the uh nick fuentes uh episode
on the dollar?
Did you watch that?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
uh, I watched the part of it.
I didn't watch the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Well, you know, they make some pretty interesting.
I have a short attention span,so apparently the zoomers are
all the zoomers and the gen Xersare like goldfish.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
What's that over there yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Squirrel.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Squirrel.
No, it's a very good episode.
I would encourage a lot ofpeople to listen to it.
I don't necessarily agree withall their conclusions, but it's
interesting to listen to andhear.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Basically their thought is the way the liquidity
is going right now and I thinkthat there's a chance for this,
that the us may be the last manstanding as a lot of other
countries go into sovereigndefault.
Now, when they're talking aboutthis, they are.
I don't know that they'rethinking about BRICS and the
Eastern countries, butdefinitely the West.

(42:09):
And I can see that for the West.
But the problem comes in towhere exactly who else is left
standing, because if it's Russia, then that actually might be
okay.
Right, we can do a multipolarworld with Russia.
We've done it before.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
If it's China or India, then that may be a very
different thing is in notbringing russia into nato
absolutely creating a somethingthat russia would want to try
and get out of but would have anextremely difficult time
getting out of, and instead theydid this whole like you're, you

(42:56):
guys, lost and now you're goingto be sitting with the the kids
table forever.
uh, no, dude, their politicalsystem sucked.
It doesn't mean that the peopleare going to be willing to put
up with, you know, being in lastplace forever Ain't going to
happen.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Now, the one thing that I heard something about but
didn't watch the video yet it'son my Q list is the, the
chinese uh inflation rate.
Did you know anything aboutthis?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
yes, uh, they are doing quantitative easing like
mad because of, well, severalthings, but what it comes down
to is their real estate marketis absolutely, totally
devastated and crashing.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And if they don't do, the one thing you think in the
country with a lot of people,real estate would be a rising
market uh, yeah, it would be ifthey had a population growth,
but since their population is inutter collapse, it certainly
doesn't seem to be.
I wonder if we can buy Chineseproperty.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I don't know that I would do that, but you go right
ahead.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I like Chinese food.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
You know what?
I have no problem with Chinesefood, but I just don't believe
that that government is going torespect property rights at the
end of the day.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Well, what about all the skyscrapers that are built
out there?
Well, what about all the the um?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
skyscrapers that are built out there.
Well, a lot of them when youactually look.
Uh, a lot of these.
A lot of the buildings have notbeen finished.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Oh, here we go, I got my answer.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yes, us citizens are allowed to own property in China
.
Cool.
Mm-hmm.
Interesting Ben, you want tobuy a condominium and start
trumping.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
And start what.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Trumping.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
What do you mean?
Trumping?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Getting rich off being a landlord.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, I don't think that that's going to work.
I would not.
No, I do not want to buyanything in China.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Well, China's buying US farmland.
The least we should do is buytheir housing.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
You know, you know, you know.
Interesting um, interesting.
Well, technically, uh, we couldeven buy russian property.

(45:35):
Uh, that's pretty hard with thesanctions, but yes, well, it's
totally doable with gold yeah,okay hmm, I don't know that that
is really true, but okayinteresting because the us,
you're a us citizen and uscitizens are barred from doing

(45:56):
business with russia can.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
uh, yeah, yeah, but you know, any property you buy
is going to be a property thatyou buy from a Greek, not from a
Russian or Cypriot property.
Okay, how about owning propertyin the Philippines?

(46:20):
Do you want to buy some land inthe Philippines?

Speaker 1 (46:23):
That I could do.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, except you're not allowed to because
Philippines does not allow US.
Want to buy some land in thephilippines.
That I could do, yeah, exceptyou're not allowed to because
philippines does not allow uscitizens to buy property okay
okay and yeah, yeah.
So what?
My point is?
It's funny that we can buyproperty in china and I mean the
united states, and then russia,and I mean the united states,
but we can't buy property in thePhilippines, which, frankly, we

(46:46):
liberated and should own atthis point.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Well, you know we'll just wait for the expansionism.
It's coming.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
The, the new whoa Imperialism.
Is that what they're saying?
Exactly, yeah, yes, absolutely.
Why?
Why do I keep hearing theImperialism?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Is that what they're calling it?
Exactly?
Yeah, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Why do I keep hearing the march of the Empire from
Star Wars every time I think ofAmerican imperialism?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Really so that's interesting.
Dun dun, dun dun dun dun Ireally more think of it, as you
know?
Hey, grandpa, tell me about thegood old days.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Let's see if they'll cancel us.
The good old days.
Is Grandpa old enough toremember back when the United
States was acquiring propertiesleft and right, not quite my
grandfather.
Great.
Grandpa probably was.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
My grandfather was my great grandfather, definitely
was.
Yeah, my grandfather was mygreat-grandfather definitely was
yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
So, anyway, your grandfather was Really.
You know how old is he, or washe's dead, probably, right?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
He is, he has passed.
But yeah, so he was born in thein the 30s, so yeah.
We've added territory since theI mean, mean we've added
territory technically since mydad.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean what else have we added?
Uh, alaska hawaii, no, alaskadude, that was in the 1800s no,
it did not become a state untilI.
You didn't say state, you saidwe added territory.
Okay well.
I mean, you gotta at least beconsistent here, dude.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Okay fine.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
What's the last state ?
Hawaii?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah 53?
.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
So yeah, although I think Greenland may very well
become a state in our lifetimesgreenland and man.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
One of the funniest things I saw was uh an appeal on
twitter for uh saskatchewan touh leave canada.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Did you see that?
I did not know but, but it isfunny because you know where
saskatchewan is located rightyeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
So the, the appeal one of the one guy put out there
was become america's middlefinger to the rest of canada,
exactly that.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
That is kind of where it would be yeah, exactly it
was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
You know, one of the things we must say is that we
live in interesting times whichis good and bad, but it is.
It is scary as hell at the sametime well, it is, um.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
And speaking of scary , did you see that nasa keeps
upping the percentage ofcollision with the incoming
near-Earth object?
Okay, I can't remember theofficial name of this particular
one, but it is a chunk ofdebris.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
How big is it?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's sizable.
It's not quite as big as theone that hit the gulf of mexico,
but I think they're saying it'slike um a few football fields.
Okay, so it would uh cause afew issues but they, they, they
had it listed as at right aroundone percent, which already

(50:23):
started getting people to startnoticing it, and then, over the
course of the last month,they've slowly, a tenth of a
percent at a time, bumped it upto 2.1% now.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Basically 1 in 50 chance it's going to hit.
I mean, I don't think that'sthe way that's calculated, but
okay, I mean, I get what you'resaying.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
The calculation is very easy.
It's the accuracy of theestimation of the trajectory, so
as their estimates get better,which is easier to do when it
gets closer, they're gonna havea a more accurate calculation of
what's the odds of it missingversus odds of it hitting well,

(51:07):
you know um there's a lot offuzz in those numbers, because
even if it does come real close,we're not talking about climate
change bullshit here.
This is actual calculabletrajectories, because there's no
friction.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Well, but that's the exact point is, especially when
it gets to a near-Earth pass,there's a lot of variability.
Once you start sayingatmosphere, does it graze off
what happens?
There.
I mean there's a lot of thingsthere that are up in the air off
.
What happens there?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I mean there's, there's a lot of things there
that are up in the air, yeah,and I think, I think getting
into the atmosphere is whatthose two percent are like.
They they haven't said thechance of it actually hitting
the planet and creating a crater.
They've said of its umcollision with earth, which
includes Earth's atmosphere.
So would it burn up?

(52:08):
Probably not completely at thatsize.
Something like that's going to,at the very least, create a
whole bunch of large, likehouse-sized rocks all falling in
the same direction.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, if it breaks apart.
That or it could skip off.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
there's a lot of options there I don't think it's
going to skip off, and thereason for that is because of
the uh, anything that is on avery large orbit to the earth.
If it comes anywhere near theearth orbit to the earth, if it

(52:52):
comes anywhere near the earth,its speed in that direction is
going to be so much greater thanthe effect of the friction
caused by uh going into theatmosphere.
It it's it's more likely tobreak apart, way more likely
than to skip off, and and ifyou're talking about something
that is on a low earth orbit,that can definitely skip off

(53:15):
because it's it doesn't have thesame velocity, this thing will.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
But either way, 2% is pretty good.
I will say this the velocitydoesn't matter, it's the angle
and if it survives, uh impactwith the atmosphere.
So if it doesn't break up andit hits at a shallow enough

(53:42):
angle, it will skip off.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
That is completely dependent on the speed, because
the atmosphere is notsufficiently thick enough for
something that's moving reallyfast to skip off.
It'll skip off if it's a fairlyslow-moving object.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, yeah, so surface tension is what you're
talking surface tension is whatyou're talking about here, and
have you ever skipped a rock ona pond?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
have you ever skipped a rock off the atmosphere?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
it's, it doesn't matter, it's fluid dynamics,
it's the same thing.
The principles are exactly thesame thing it is.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
it is absolutely not the same thing, because water,
which you may not know, is notcompressible, while atmosphere
is gaseous and it iscompressible.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Let me get you up to some science here, Ben.
I'm aware that liquid waterdoes not compress.
But the reason why rock skipsisn't because of the lack of
compressibility of water.
Oh, it absolutely is okay, gene, we'll discuss fluid dynamics

(54:50):
uh after the show yeah,absolutely that's happy to do
that ben anyway so I'm notworried about the asteroid.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I glad to see you're tracking it, though for me I
yeah, I'll let you know if itkeeps going up or if they back
off on it and it goes down.
We've got quite a bit of time.
It's not going to come hereuntil, uh, 2030, re or five.
I can't remember if it's 2033or 235.
So we got a few years.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
But what was interesting to me is just the
fact that they were revising thenumber on a weekly basis well,
you know, it all comes down tothe fact that you know Trump's
president and they need to knowif they need to take something
out yes, yes, I.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I wish Trump along and the happy life.
I'm not sure that he's gonnacare about an asteroid 2035 well
, I'm talking about the economicreset, like if oh, trump is
successful and if you know.
Uh, so you're saying we mightneed to do that scenario where
the the earthers send a ship toto put nukes on the asteroid to

(56:05):
divert its trajectory?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
yes, that bruce willis.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
What was that movie called bruce willis was?
I think?
Uh armageddon oh, there you go,there you go.
So that's that would requireprobably a bump in the budget
for nasa, I would imagine bumpin the budget for spacex, nasa,
a bunch of people oh, anotherthing now this is not confirmed
yet, but the rumor mill seems tobe pretty, pretty sure of it is

(56:29):
that they're saying that nasais absolutely on the verge of
canceling their contract with umjesse's company oh blue origin
yeah, what what was theircontract?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I mean, he hasn't done anything to right, that's.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
the problem is because they're like five years
delayed now, Because originallythey got a contract from NASA,
because they were and this isactually a good idea is that
they wanted diversity.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Right, they gave it to.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
So Boeing got the contract.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Boeing, spacex and Blue Origin.
And Blue Origin, yeah, and oneother.
What was the satellite launchcompany?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Oh, Rocket Lab.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Maybe there was one other that got a fairly
substantial contract at the sametime.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
But there is.
You know, while we're seeingprogress, both in terms of
testing and in terms of actualflights going almost on the well
, in fact more than weekly,several flights a week going up
for SpaceX, we're just notseeing diddly squat.
And I think Boeing is probablynot far behind from getting

(57:43):
canceled as well because all theproblems they had with their
manned mission test resulting intheir astronauts not being able
to go back from the spacestation on that same landing
craft.
So but yeah, but blue originhas just been in like perpetual

(58:05):
internal testing phase andnothing's coming out of those
flights so effectively.
They've only had one supplierthis whole time, which is SpaceX
, which has worked out for them,which is nice for SpaceX, and
they've done a good jobservicing NASA as well.
But I do think ideally you dohave at least two different

(58:26):
contractors that can do that.
The problem is there's no otherspacex out there uh, boeing's
the closest yeah, sure, and, andI've been a big fan of the um,
uh, the uh, the delta rocketsthat that were flying um, I was,

(58:51):
I think, was the last one, butyou know, those are supposed to
be wrapping up.
They were supposed to havewrapped up, in fact, I think,
two years ago, supposed to havetheir last flight, and the new
rocket was going to be poweredby engines made by Blue Origin,
which have been delayed.

(59:11):
So I think they've actually gotthose engines out now and the
rockets are now getting built,but the timeline at this point
is probably five years beyondwhere the original contract
called for for the launch datesto be.

(59:32):
So it's hard to say.
I know a couple of people thathave worked.
Well, I know one guy well, twoguys that worked at NASA, um,
one on the space shuttle, oneright after the space shuttle,

(59:53):
on the space shuttle, one rightafter the space shuttle, and I
know one guy that's at spacex,and everybody has their pet
theory about uh, what was thebest of the us?
Like, what was the us programbest during the uh von braun
days?
Uh, and it just started goingdownhill after that.
Was it best during the spaceshuttle days?
Was it best using privaterocketry the way it is now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
What's your thought on that?
Well, I think the Saturn Vrocket is the most complicated
piece of machinery ever built byman.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I'm not going to disagree.
I think it is extremely complex, and complex in a lot of ways,
because it was built effectivelywithout computing power it is
rudimentary computing aboard,but it was effectively built
without computing power, whichis impressive as fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Well, if anyone has a chance to go see the saturn 5
in houston, all the mechanical,all the mechanical controls
required to maintain that, likeyou know, spacex and this
starship is a larger than thesaturn fire yeah, right, yeah,
there's no doubt but they'redoing it with a lot more small

(01:01:16):
engines, and the only reason whythey're able to do that is
because they have the computercontrol and the ability to
handle the thrust vectoring thatthey.
They have, yeah, which thatwould not exist.
That did not exist at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
So it existed fairly shortly thereafter, but wasn't
successful the n1 that russiabuilt was actually bigger than
the saturn and it but it did.
It had uh, it had, I want tosay, 30, 30 engines and it it
was based on the exact sameconcept that Starship is.

(01:01:53):
In fact, musk talked about ithow he was always a big fan of
the N1.
The problem was because it wasbuilt in the pre-computerized
age.
They could never get thingsworking in the real world the
way they should worktheoretically, and so it was.
In a lot of ways.
The rocket itself, whileconceived in the 60s, could not

(01:02:18):
be built to the standards whereit would fly reliably, and I
think every single flightcrashed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I mean a Soviet-des designed piece of machinery
failing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
What?
No, it's not.
Soviet design is actually gooddesign.
Soviet manufacturing is wherethe problem lies.
Now I may be biased because mydad was a Soviet engineer, but
actually both of my parents were.
But the manufacturing in anycommunist country is just

(01:02:55):
abysmal.
It sucks, even in socialistcountries like China.
Why do we always make fun ofChinese products?
Well, because there's a goodreason to, because generally
they're worse quality thanJapanese products.
They fail Right.
But even without failing,they're just not made to the
exact specifications, the waythat German used to be don't

(01:03:16):
think they will be anymore orthe way the Japanese products
are made to Like.
That level of detail does notexist in China, at least not for
mass market products.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Well, the manufacturing is certainly a
problem for them and everybodyelse um, but what I would say is
the we haven't seen yet achinese designed product out the
gate fully that has taken theworld by storm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yeah, they're very good at copying other people's
stuff Sure and mass producing it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And they're good at iteration.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
And they're pretty good.
They're not great.
They do iteration, all right,yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Every time I need to buy a new pillow it has to be a
new model number, because theystopped making the old one that
I had okay I just ordered one,so it's a practical example I'm
like why can't I just reorder?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
the same damn thing on amazon that I got last time
oh because they have a new modelnow yeah, because they're
getting sued and they've got tostop selling that one, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah, it's called Just Our Pillow.
It's a great Chinese brand.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
You're joking.
You're joking, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
They're great.
They cool your head off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
That's not the point, though You've got to be joking
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
I don't know what you're talking about, sorry I
can't, I can't not laugh, Ican't keep a straight face here
yeah, anyway um and so yeah mypillow

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
is for you.
Yeah, no, in russia it'd becalled your pillow.
No, no, it would be.
In China, it's our pillow.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
In Soviet Russia.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
You do not have pillow, we have pillow, we have
pillow exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Oh my goodness, that is too funny.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I remember sleeping on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
You caught me off guard with that one.
I remember sleeping on anactual goose down pillow in
russia um would not recommend,not that anybody, not that
you're uh hoity-toity oranything what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
well, it was made out of a goose that we ate.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
okay, uh, it's out in the country, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I had an outhouse.
I didn't have a toilet.
It's out in the country dude.
I had an outhouse, I didn'thave a toilet I've been there
done that, and it was my petgoose to boot.
Yeah, losing a pet animal whenyou're like four years old to
the dinner table is not reallysomething you're prepared for
okay that's like finding outthat santa claus is fake by

(01:06:10):
watching santa claus.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Fuck your mom okay, that's a little.
That's a little.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
You're going the same exact thing when you're a
little kid and you realize thatyou're eating your pet goose,
that's not a you know that thingwas.
I used to walk it around theyard and you know, feed it, feed
it and stuff, and then itturned out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
This is why we don't name animals on the farm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I did.
Well, yeah, probably shouldn't,right?
Yeah, not.
If, well, I don't know, maybe,maybe if you're a, an adult and
you don't have kids, then it'snot a bad thing.
But yeah, yeah, anyway.

(01:06:56):
What I was gonna say is thatdid that?
Anybody who thinks that downpillows are great as a moron has
never had one.
Because the the thing you gotto remember is that feathers are
, they're both not uniform, andso you have lumpiness.
And two is, if you're a sweator you spill a drink on your
pillow or get any kind of waterin there, holy shit does that

(01:07:17):
stink.
And you can't get that smellout for days, if not weeks I, I,
I disagree, I actually.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
So I have a.
I sleep on two pillows.
One is a, you know, hotel style, firm, nice pillow.
And then I've got a down softdown pillow on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
And where'd you buy that pillow, I've got one for
the support and one for the.
And where'd you buy the downpillow?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I don't remember at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
What makes you think it's down?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
It's a down pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Have you looked inside?
Uh, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
If it doesn't smell, it's not a down pillow okay,
it'd be very interesting to see,but it's a down pillow and I
use a down comfort chat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Tell ben you want to have him cut the pillow open.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I'm not cutting my favorite pillow open.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Is this pillow, like my goose for you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
No, it's just, I don't do A down.
Pillows are extremely expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Yeah, and they're hard to get good ones, and when
you've got a good one like this,one's stained up, it's old,
it's been around the block.
But you know what?
It's mine and it's there, yeah.
And you know, don't spill shiton your fucking pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
You know sometimes when you're having a tea in bed
things happen.
Get off your ass and don't havea tea in bed.
Well, I mean, you can have atea out of bed too.
One's not mutually exclusivewith the other.
Anyway, and it doesn't have tobe tea, it could be plenty of

(01:09:04):
other things believe me Eitherway, I'm a big fan of the Well
you know we're not talkingmattress protectors here.
I'm a big fan of the modernpillows that cool your head off
and have plastic inside.
Okay, I am not what else we got.
Is there a new gun that Benbought?

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
No, but I did set my dad up with a MCK.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Oh, nice, nice.
And is he enjoying?

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
it.
He hasn't shot it yet, he justgot it this weekend and we
installed it on his Glock clone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I remember you bought that for, or he bought
that rather based on yourrecommendation.
What like six months ago, Ninemonths ago?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
The Glock clone.
Yeah, uh I remember you talkingabout it yeah yeah, so that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I assume that's the same clone.
He didn't buy a separate clonejust for this correct, but this
is after he saw mine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
You know this is going to be his truck gun yeah
and my dad's getting old enoughthat shooting a pistol.
You know he was never a greatpistol shot to begin with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
So there you go yeah, yeah, I could see that, um,
although, uh, after seeing Ican't remember the company now,
but somebody made a.
Well, there's two guns thatlooked really cool.
One was a p90 um frame or alike, basically strike

(01:10:36):
industries, is it?
Strike okay so, yeah, you, youtake the insides out of your p90
and then you put it and itmakes it slightly bigger but way
nicer looking and way morepractical, and that's if you're
going to keep the barrel length.
So basically, their, their frameadds a quad rail up front yeah
for the s for the ps9 ps90,whereas the normal ps9 me, let's

(01:11:02):
just face it looks gay becauseit shouldn't be sticking out
that far compared to the ps,that's compared to the, the p90,
which has a barrel that is tooshort for the overlords to let
American citizens have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Well, we'll see that actually may change under Trump.
I'm actually pretty hopefulthat we're going to get a change
in the NFA.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
That would be great.
I would love to see thathappening.
Obviously, that would create aton of both jobs and a ton of uh
economy boosting spending by alot of guys selling their their
single shot versions of gunsthat they have and buying the
full auto versions.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Ah, and I would be buying semi-auto versions of
things very cheaply, which wouldmake me happy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think we've had this conversation that
from a practical standpoint,nobody needs full auto.
From a fun standpoint, nobodyneeds single fire.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah standpoint nobody needs single fire.
Yeah.
So the way I would say is Iwouldn't mind him burst, but
what I would do I would have ifI could have any gun in the
world, full auto, just for fun.
It would have to either be abar or a uh mg42 I think for

(01:12:31):
purely fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Uh the, uh the bar in 22 caliber with a they don't
make it in 22.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Well, I've shot one, so they do how, how, how would a
bar browning automatic riflesyeah, from world war I II ever
be checked in 22.
?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Sorry, Tommy gun is what I'm thinking of.
That would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Okay, yeah, there's the Tommy gun with a 250-round
magazine is so fucking fun.
Yeah, there's the AM-180 aswell, which is basically what
you're talking about, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Okay, there you go.
Yeah, no, you're right, I waspicturing the tommy gun and I'm
saying, uh, the the browning,but no, I was thinking I don't
know the, the brownie, the bar,which was, you know, a big,
heavy boy that shot 30-06 at uhfull auto yeah, I would not want

(01:13:26):
to shoot that for fun, I wouldmuch rather shoot a I mean,
frankly, a p90 native p90 fullauto would be so cool with five,
seven yeah yeah with five,seven, fifty round mags.
It's plenty on there.
Uh, I remember still to thisday the first time that I saw
the promotion video fromfabrique national for that gun,

(01:13:47):
with a, a dude running through afield in france and then, uh,
grabbing a p90 in each hand,akimbo style, and letting off
100 rounds, flying at a veryfast pace.
I was like oh man I so wantthis.
and then, of course, the next,uh, the next battlefield video

(01:14:10):
game had that in there.
And the same thing with Call ofDuty.
I was like, yes, this is thegun to have, so I would totally
love that the problem with thatis the ammo is so fucking
expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yeah, the ammo would come down.
But this is the whole PDWconcept, right?
And actually a reasonabledefense gun, and that's what the
P90 really is is a pdw yeah,absolutely, you know to the
chagrin of stargate fans.
But yes, well, why?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
why?
To the chagrin of stargate fansbecause they were using it as a
primary weapon there are plentyof people that use pdw as the
primary weapon, depending on thecircumstances just they they
knew no alien worlds were sohostile that they would require
anything larger than 22 caliberweapon okay and were they wrong

(01:15:06):
yes, I mean look at look at thelook at that versus the Ga'uld
Staff, which is a single-shot,large-caliber, slow-ass moving
weapon.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
It's not a single shot, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Oh, you remember how long it takes to reload.
That's a fucking slow-ass gun.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Again, weapon of war versus weapon of terror, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Well, fair enough, that's true, yeah, and you know
it's made by, basically, slugsthat live in your brain.
So what do you expect?
Yeah, and then, now that I'vesaid that I'm thinking of
claudia black she was only on,like the last couple of seasons.

(01:15:51):
I think yeah it might have justbeen one, but for sure, uh, no
more than two yep she was andbrought her attitude, which is
always the best part claudiablack.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
What was?
What do you think her bestperformance was?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
I think performance wise it probably was an sg1.
I think that you know.
We saw her the longest,obviously in um uh the, which
you know, the show I'm talkingabout.
The other show, farscape yeah,that one.
So we got to see a lot more ofher, but when she was in
farscape she was like a coupleyears out of acting school.

(01:16:30):
She was still fairly, fairly badat acting okay I mean, she had
a killer body and and they gaveher a.
Well, I don't know if they gaveher with a script or she just
brought the attitude, but shedefinitely had the attitude back
then too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Did you see the movie Pitch Black?

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Mm-mm.
Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Oh, she was in that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
How was she?
Eh, you know hot.
Yeah, yeah.
But if you look at her and youdon't know who she is, if you
just look at an image of her,you just think, oh, she's kind
of hot.
But when she opens her mouth upshe just gets so much hotter.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Which is not typical for most women.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
No, it's not, no, it's.
That's.
The thing is that a lot of hotwomen, when they open up their
mouth, start talking, willcompletely just make you go.
Okay, well, nevermind, passRight, because they're, until
you hear them speak.
You don't realize how stupidthey are.
With some women, a small sliverand I put my ex-wife into this

(01:17:41):
sliver as well when they open uptheir mouths and start talking,
they become hotter because theyare sarcastic.
They are sharp, become hotterbecause they are sarcastic.
They are sharp and they knowhow to um, you know, say things
that just make a man go, holyshit well, or at least make g go

(01:18:02):
, holy shit um sure, I mean, Iguess there is a percentage of
population which is gay thatwouldn't have that effect.
But for the rest of us, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Jesus Christ, dude Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Okay, ben enough talking about women opening
their mouths.
Move on to other issues, topics.
You talked about your newcomputer or did not talk.
No, you didn't.
You told you told me about it.
You didn't really talk about it.
What do you mean?
Well, your computer's a pieceof shit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
It blue screened on you right, because we're
starting to record today.
Yeah, right, as we werestarting the podcast, so we had
to start over again not a goodsign for a brand new piece of
equipment well, you know whatI've already uh started the
amazon return process.
Thank you, and uh, I actuallyordered that one.
I sent you the geek.

(01:18:57):
Yeah, that's a great name, bythe way yeah, yeah, yeah, but uh
, so I'm spending a little bitmore, but it's got a reason
seven in it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Huh, they don't have it on amazon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
You have to get they do, but it was cheaper on their
website I'd probably still gofor amazon, just from a return
standpoint so basically thething looks just like a mac mini
yep which is good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
So it's aluminum which is good for cooling as
well yep 32 gigs of ram.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Yeah, it's got a pretty crappy graphics card, but
that's not what you're buyingit for anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
So, um, right here Seven.
Yeah, yep, it's got a prettycrappy graphics card, but that's
not what you're buying it foranyway, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
It actually has a really good graphics card for an
integrated graphics card, Uhyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
For integrated graphics.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Sure, sure, and this is a mini PC, you're not going
to have standalone graphics.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean have standalone graphics.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean my, mygraphics card is bigger than
the whole pc sure, again not agaming pc no not the intention.
Well good, I'm glad that you'renot being too cheap ass, the way
you usually are, and aregetting something a little
better, a little more expensiveyeah, well, I'm, you know,

(01:20:10):
returning one of the things wasso the mini piece yeah two,
sorry, it's got two hdmi's on ittoo, that's cool, so does this
one that I'm got now oh reallyyeah, but it also has two
display link ports in those usbuh, c's yeah, so there you go,
but the the point is the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
So the, the one I'm on right now, was 170 something
dollars.
Yeah, cheap.
Uh, intel 100 cpu, 16 gigs ofram, you know, 500 gig hard
drive, plenty for what I wantedpodcasting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
It's probably fine, but not if it's screens well
hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
But then I decided you know what, I want three
monitors on this one.
The one I'm ordering willsupport it.
So I had to get a usb uh threegraphics card or to run a third
monitor.
And then I had to get uh.
Well, I want 2.5 gig uhconnection on this.
So I had to get a dongle.
So now, by the time I do boththose dongles and all this, I'm

(01:21:17):
within $100 of this nicer oneanyway.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
So might as well just return all that and get the
nicer one.
My question I don't know ifyou've investigated this is it
comes with an SSD.
Does it have room for anotherone in there or not?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
It does actually.
Okay, so you can stick in asecond one.
This has another SSD slot,which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Yeah, that's very good Because you really it's a
pain in the ass to have toreplace your one internal one.
It's much better if it has twoand you just add like an eight
terabyte one in there.
No, but I don't need thatstorage no, I'm not talking
about one terabyte by one ofthese down two, one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
The storage for this is fine, yeah, but look into it
because the there is someexpansion capability on this
particular one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
I'm looking right now 449 from them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
But you're saying if you actually if you do it
through PayPal, like part of thething was PayPal threw me an
offer of 5% off, or whatever itwas.
So it ended up being $4.20,something shipped.
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, oh, this looks very cute.
I have two unused monitors here.
Well, one technically unusedmonitor I could plug something
into.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Well, and it's got a Versa mount that comes with it,
and all that too, so you couldmount it on the back of your
monitor.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Oh, really yeah, yeah , yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
It comes with that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah, that's very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
VESA mount, yeah, v VESA, whatever you want to call
it yeah, okay, well, cool, Iwill definitely think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
I don't need a PC, but this has enough stuff in it
that maybe I can justify gettingrid of my big old NAS and just
using this as the beginning of auh like, uh, something else.
Because one thing here's why Ineed to figure out it even has a

(01:23:22):
sata port on the motherboard oh, that's yeah so you could, you
could do a case modification.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Take the external center.
Yeah, yeah.
He said uh, for like having abig 10 terabyte, some spinning
drive that's in its ownenclosure right.
You're powering through E Seda,uh, or you're powering
separately and connected throughE Seda?

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Well, the one thing too I I haven't done any
research on, but I think theseexist is a
Thunderbolt-to-Thunderboltdirect connection cable.
So essentially, instead ofusing 2.5 gig Ethernet, you
would have a 10 gig or even a 20gig.
I guess it'd be 20 gigsThunderbolt-to-Thunderbolt

(01:24:10):
connection between two computers, that that would pass ethernet
packets over, or uh um, I meanthere's, you can do a lot with
usbc for sure, but what, what'swhat?

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
I couldn't find anything high speed on usbc dude
, this has like 20 gig ports onright.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
It's got 20 gig ports , but I couldn't find anything
that would let you use that typeof speed between two computers
connecting to each other throughUSB-C.
I'm pretty sure you could do itthrough Thunderbolt.
You can have two computersconnected over Thunderbolt and
it will treat the Thunderbolt asa network connection.
I don't know if that, if youfind something, usb-c is way

(01:24:53):
cheaper.
So you find something that letsyou connect to computers via
USB-C and lets you treat thatUSB-C connection between them as
a network connection, that'd begreat.
I've not found anything.
I searched for a couple days.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Okay okay, I'm pretty sure it works.
But I know it works on Androidphones when you're copying from
one to another.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So yeah, yeah, but I don't think that connection is
going at full USB or full USB-Cspeeds and I don't know what
it's.
I mean, I don't know.
I I couldn't find thatconnection is going at full USB
or full USB-C speeds and I don'tknow what it's.
I mean, I don't know, Icouldn't find anything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
If you find something , then definitely let me know,
because if anybody knowsanything, do you want it on
Windows or Mac?

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Either or both.
I mean, if I could get all bothtypes of computers talking to
each other, that'd be great, butright now I I'm.
What I would like to do is formy gaming shit that I'm doing on
youtube.
I'm using the same computer toplay the game, to capture the
video and then to edit the videobefore posting it.

(01:26:06):
Right, what I would love to dois just have the gaming computer
be doing.
Well doing the well.
There's two options.
One is just gaming and using aseparate computer to do the
capturing and the editing.
But I don't like.
Capturing doesn't actually takeall that much CPU.
It's surprisingly littleoverhead it's probably about 4%

(01:26:27):
and it doesn't take any GPU.
So recording on the samecomputer that you're playing is
actually not a bad.
It's not necessarily a badthing, but I would love to then
have that just copy that filethat was recorded over and then
do the editing.
And you know the the long partof editing isn't necessarily the

(01:26:48):
actual editing, it's therendering.
And if I could offload thatonto a separate computer, that
would be super cool and that canbe either done in gpu or cpu.
It takes longer with cpu,obviously, but if it's a
separate computer, who gives ashit?
Because it's not tying up yourmain one?
Because while I'm rendering myvideos, which is at about 2X

(01:27:10):
speed, so like a one-hour video,takes about half an hour to
render.
Yeah, but that's a half hourthat I can't do anything else on
the computer because if I doit'll slow down the rendering.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Yeah, by the way, I just sent you the inter-domain
connections in Windows for USB 4.
The inter domain connections inwindows for.
Usb four, uh USB four, which uhis lined up with C and
Thunderbolt, and all that allowsthe windows connection manager
allows you to do oh it's builtin windows 11.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Yeah, probably not 10 , though.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Uh, no, it should be the same uh connection manager
for 10.
And, anyway, but yes, you cando that and take full advantage
of the speed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
So if I just take a regular cable and I plug in that
cable into two PCs, they shouldbe able to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
I just sent you the Microsoft link on how to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
I would love for you to try that, and then let me
know that nothing broke, andthen I'll try it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Why am I being your guinea pig?
You're the one who wants to dothis.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Well, you just got a brand new little computer that
you're going to return anyway,so you might as well try it.
It's on order.
Oh, you've got one, the oneyou're returning.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Yeah, but it's not.
It doesn't have USB 4.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Oh, so you need USB 4 .
Okay, I only have.
Yeah, one of my gaming PCs onlyhas USB 3, not USB 4.
So it probably wouldn't workfor that one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
The new one that I'm getting has USB 4.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Yeah, and you could always get a card, because I've
got a full-size PC so I canstick a PCI card, USB 4.
Because I don't think those aretoo expensive these days,
Anyway, but it's prettyinteresting that yes, yes, you
can do that, and you werelooking for days and it took me.
I was looking for days because Iwas looking to buy something.

(01:28:55):
You're looking to get a freesolution that's different from
what we were looking for.
I was like no one is sellingthis.
Why is no one selling this?
What the hell man?
Because what the hell guys sellme this it's built in and it's
built in.
That's, which probably wouldexplain why no one wants to sell
it, right, right, well, we'regoing to sell it when it's free,

(01:29:16):
yeah, good.
Good.
Well, do we know for sure thatit's only USB 4?
Can it work with USB 3?
Or are they just pushing USB 4?

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I just.
This is the article that Ifound and all I did.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Now that I've got this, I'm gonna just do a
generic search for ethernet overusb yeah, all I did was connect
two computers with usbc.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
That's what I searched for and literally boom,
cool, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
and then here's a Tom's Hardware Guide for
networking with a USB-C.
Mm-hmm.
So regular USB-C can do 10 gignetwork.
Yes, you can do it with USB-Cas well, so just Google what I.

(01:30:15):
You have to have a cable that'scapable of it, so you need a
good quality cable.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
I think any cable that is made for Thunderbolt is
going to be good enough.
Sure, because all theThunderbolt cables cost like 80
bucks.
Yeah, I'm looking at it here.
Yeah, looks like.
Uh, even anchor sells cablesthat can do this cool, ah, yep,

(01:30:50):
all right, we just solved aworld problem.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Live I don't know if I solved it, but sure, well, you
typed it in you googled it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
That's the important part indeed, yeah, and then see
people real-time example of howI get bent to do stuff this is
how I prove genes ineptnessexactly by.
By feigning ineptness, I getbent to do work.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Somebody has to, that's right yes to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
I'm just gonna go back to Sasha gray here.
Hang on, all right.
What anyway?
No, I I texted you the otherday when you said, hey, can we
move the podcast?
I'm like I'm gonna go back tosleep.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
I had a dream where yeah yeah, which I don't know
why you're so obsessed with her.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I really don't, I'm still a fan.
I dude.
Playing video games with SashaGray would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
I'm sorry, Gene.
I'm sorry, Dude she's got likea level 50 troll character Come
on the fact that, all right, butthat's not what you do, buddy,
I'm sorry, come on did I loseyou?

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
I'm just gonna leave you.
Oh look, you can do whateveryou want in your dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I'm gonna be doing what I want in my dreams with
sasha gray well, just so youknow, I would be putting her
talents to very different useyeah, yeah well she's a very
think pretty much everyone elsewould do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Oh, you would be shocked, dude.
She has so many fans on Twitchand a lot of them I mean not
certainly all of them andeventually I think people do
figure out but there's a ton ofpeople that only know her as a
Twitch gaming streamer Bullshitthey're all under 13.
But yes, I think you know theword spreads that.

(01:33:04):
Oh, you should go look up hername and see what she's done.
But, frankly, her career, ifyou want to call it that, has
been much longer now on Twitchthan it was in the porn industry
.
Sure, and I guess there's acertain segment of the

(01:33:24):
population which was at theappropriate age or just a dirty
old man when she first came toporn at age 18.
She literally started doingpornos right after her 18th
birthday.
But you know, she only did pornfor five years.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Don't know, don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
So you know, just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
And she's definitely not my type when it comes to
that and she's definitely notyour type.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
She's a lot more my type, that's for sure.
Yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, she,she is a uh, she's very
enjoyable to watch, um, andshe's in, you know, without the
snickering even, she's stillenjoyable to watch, because she

(01:34:14):
is one of those chicks that wejust discussed.
She, she has, uh, a very goodbody.
Not enough up top for you.
I get it, um, and a cute face,but when she starts talking,
that's when she becomes evenmore sexy in the same manner as

(01:34:36):
uh, uh, who's the other chickwe're talking about?
claudia black yeah claudia blackyep and her series.
She did a whole series duringcovid of travel videos, but
during covid she was travelingall over europe and I think she
even went to the Middle East,which means she was vaxxed and

(01:35:00):
maxed and everything else.
Oh, I'm sure she was, but itwas great because there's almost
nobody on the streets but shewould be recognized and asked
for photos and autographs aboutevery 10 minutes or so while
she's walking around europe.
it was, uh, it was pretty,pretty interesting to see I

(01:35:25):
guess man, I just just not mystyle well, and, and she is that
kind of hot chick who's alsodorky sure she does play video
games and she knows way too muchabout science fiction for

(01:35:46):
somebody that looks like that.
Okay, just saying, yeah, I knowyou like Sasha Gray?
Cool, that was a great video.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
I'm surprised she didn't come up with a different
screen name.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
You know why I know, I know it's a good question.
I don't know the answer to thatone, but she did a cooking show
for a while that I watched, andshe was cooking pil mini.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
That's a Russian pot stickers which, I'm sure, made
you all the more endeared soonoh yeah, but she's made a lot of
different dishes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
I can't remember how many episodes she did of that,
probably 15 or 20 of cookingwith sasha gray okay anyway, I'm
not, you know what else we got?
Anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
so did you see that ukraine was uh, not invited to
US-Russia?

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
talks in Saudi Arabia .

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry.
Vladimir, you're going to getwhat we tell you you're going to
get.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Well, the thing to me that's funny is it's not just
Vladimir bitching about it, orVladimir, as he mispronounces it
, zielinski, but it's a bunch ofthe european politicians are
bitching about how this is notthe way things are done, and how

(01:37:26):
dare america not invite ukraineor european allies to this
negotiation uh, because fuck youyeah, that's why I've been
posting fuck the?
u like every day lately yeahevery time there's a topic like
that that comes up and thenthey're all up up in there.

(01:37:47):
Yeah, they're panties in themind about not being included.
It's like, well, why would yoube?
What makes you think that youwould be included when the
grown-ups are talking Like?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
y'all are barely countries.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
You've effectively Jesus Christ.
Well, they have.
They were countries right thatchose to become states of the EU
.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Yeah, Pathetic, okay, of the eu.
Yeah, pathetic I, okay I.
I think what it comes down tois they are used to being uh
treated differently and they arenot, uh, accustomed to this,
and that's fine people can be uh, not accustomed to stuff, but

(01:38:36):
you know, hey it, what it comesdown to is the way vance handled
.
It is right, you know, screwyou, you have to stop this.
You can't act like this yeahthe reality is uh, we're gonna
go do what we need to do and onour own and fuck you like yeah,
that's the best way to say it.

(01:38:56):
So I'm, I'm, I'm fucking goodwith this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
I don't know why anyone's uh having a problem
with it yeah, well, I don'tthink anyone on this side well,
I'm sure some people are hereare, but most people in the us
are not on brides, the europeansthat are going nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
And then, of course, they're being apoplectic for a
reason, and the reason isbecause they have recognized and
they've been told.
You know?
Hey, you're at the kids' tablenow.
Sit down, shut up, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Yeah, yeah.
And that's not inappropriate.
Well, and they're, I think.
As you mentioned, they've justgotten used to being treated as
though they're actually peersand they've not been peers for a
damn long time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Yeah, since World War II.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Exactly.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Well, you know, hey, as we go into this multipolar
world, we'll see where it endsup, so I'm oddly okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
I think things will turn out one way or the other,
and if not, there's a one in 50chance an asteroid's going to
make it all not matter anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Okay, Gene.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Just make sure you know how to light a fire without
matches, that's all.
Well, I do.
I don't mean you, I meaneverybody listening.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Yeah well, you know, look at it this way, Depending
on where it hits, you know itcould be great for the US.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
That's true, that is very true.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Like if it lands in.
China.
It'd be fine for the US.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Actually, that would not be fine for the US, as about
92% of all US products containChinese products, so that would
make it very difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Well, it sounds to me like we need to change that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
But I think if it lands, say, in Australia, no one
would really care.
If it lands in Africa, I don'tthink anyone would really care.
If it landed in the middle ofRussia, I mean Russians would
care but nobody else would care.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Well, we had the Tendaguskan event in Siberia
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
And that was a similar but smaller size
asteroid.
Well, we don't know how bigthat asteroid was actually well,
they can calculate the theamount of energy release with a
certain degree of reliability toan extent, and then from that
they can backtrack to look at atwhat the speed versus mass

(01:41:37):
would have had to have been.
And certainly you couldn't havesomething bigger and slower or
faster and lighter.
But the first time I saw thosephotos it was so cool.
I'd never seen anything likethat.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
What stuff just flattened?

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Yeah, Tunguska.
Like I saw that back in the 70s.
Yeah, and I was like, oh my god, this is so cool and a little
scary, I don't know I'd lookcool.
To me it never looked scary, italways looked very cool and it
always seemed like there's anelement of kind of some kind you

(01:42:13):
know alien stuff there.
You don't know exactly what.
It could have been A meteor,could have been a explosion of a
flying saucer, you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Well, we're making some assumptions, but sure.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Well, that's what kids do, so I thought it was
cool.
When did you see it first?
When did I become aware of it?
Yeah, when did you?

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
first see a photo of it high school okay.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
And what was your impression of it when you saw it
in high school?
Um, you thought scary.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
You didn't think cool I thought oh shit, what
happened here, and you know alot of the mystery around it and
things like that on.
You know what exactly happenedand I don't think we have a 100
answer.
I think we have some, you knowsome supposition and sitting
there saying it's most likely aasteroid that broke up in midair

(01:43:13):
.
But but okay, well, why did itbreak up in midair?
That makes no sense, thatdoesn't track, because usually
if something comes in and makesit to that level of the
atmosphere, it's going to staytogether and it's going to
impact.
So why did it suddenly break up?
There's a lot of unknowns there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
That's literally what he just said.
Could have been a UFO explosion.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
We don't know Sure that could have been a UFO
explosion.
We don't know Sure, but therewas a lot of devastation and
luckily this was an uninhabitedregion of Siberia.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
It was a very large release of energy.
That much we do know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Yes, which that is somewhat scary.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Or cool, depending on how you look at it.
Okay, um it, just.
It makes me think of the movie.
Um, uh, what was that movie?
With peter o'toole, or not, notpeter to with?
Um, uh, god damn, what was hisname?
The, uh, the.

(01:44:14):
The subtitle to the movie ishow I Learned to Love the Bomb.
What the hell is that movie?
Dr Strangelove, oh, makes methink of Dr Strangelove.
Never seen it.
Oh, really.
Okay, that's just a singlemovie.
We can definitely fit that inin between, whatever the next
thing is.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
I've got to get back to reading the Peterson book in
earnest.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Making some strides throughthat a two-hour movie isn't
going to kill you, man yeah,well, so by the way, have I
talked about what I'm doing withthe peterson book?
You said you're reading it andlistening at the same time.
It's about right, but it's it'snot just that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
So I I'm listening to a chapter and I'm taking notes,
right.
This isn't something I'm doingwhen I'm falling asleep,
unfortunately okay then I'mgoing back and I'm rereading on
the sections where I reallythink I need to, and then he's
made some points that I don'tknow that I I at least in first

(01:45:11):
glance agree with theinterpretation.
So then I'm going to my bible,looking at the passage, reading
the passage and surroundingpassages, then going to the
strongest concordance and thenlooking at the possible
translations and then rereadingwhat he said and determining
okay, did I agree with hissupposition?

(01:45:32):
In the end it's a lot of work.
It is a shit ton of work, butit's that kind of book, it's
that dense well and a lot ofwell I shouldn't say a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Some christians I've seen absolutely say there's no
way.
Peterson's not a christian.
He is a a a historicalchristianity interpreter.
He is not a christian.
He does not believe in the samegod that I believe interpreter.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
He is not a christian .
He does not believe in the samegod that I believe in.
He is I I don't know if I Iwould say that he's very much an
orthodox christian.
He does not believe in theliving god, he believes in the
dead god, and I think thatthere's there's a couple
different things there.
Um, I don't know what hisreligion ultimately is, I don't
really care, um, but he's makingstatements and supposition

(01:46:21):
about mine and that's fine, butI I definitely, you know, I'm
I'm curious to sit there.
I I can't just listen to whathe says and go.
Oh yeah great, that's right.
That's not me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
So Jesus said just clean your damn room.
Is that in there?
I thought that would be inthere.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Anyway, I there's a lot of really good stuff in
there, though, and he is pullingfrom multiple different
translations.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
He's doing a lot of good work.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
But that also makes me question okay, is he picking
a translation, because it backshim up here, so let me go look.
I mean so there's a lot of workthat's needed there.
And if I really want tounderstand and not just nod
along and just go along, whichis what most people do.
So it's a lot of work.

(01:47:14):
It's so far it's been prettyinteresting.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
So yeah, well, that's good.
I I think he certainlyconsiders himself christian I
don't know, I I would disagreeuh, okay.
Well then I can send you twovideos where he says I'm a
christian, but okay well, hekind of says it depends on what
you mean, and lots of otherthings.

(01:47:38):
Yes, he knows that there'ssubtlety in language for sure,
and that not everybody that saysI'm a Christian believes the
same thing.
In fact, most people don't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Right, and I completely get that, and I would
even say that, yes, I've seenthose videos and I get what he's
saying.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
But I'm just.
You know.
Well, there was two videos thatI'm referring to, one of which
was done with my buddy, mattDeLaHunty, who is a one of the.

(01:48:19):
Yeah, well, I know him, but heis one of the foremost atheist
uh debaters out there and uhlives in Austin here.
Um, and he and Jordan this isthis is the older one, this
one's like eight or nine yearsold.
They did a large debate.
Older one this one's like eightor nine years old.
They did a large debate, uh, Ibelieve it was in canada, but it
was to a large auditorium ofpeople and it was the first time

(01:48:42):
that I had ever really seenjordan peterson lose a debate
and it was uh surprising becauseI didn't expect them to, why,
um, generally he's very good atdebates so it was uh.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Why do you feel like he lost the debate?

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
well, if you watch the video, you'll, you'll,
you'll see that it's prettyapparent um, you, generally you
lose a debate when the otherparty makes points that you
can't refute and you, you don'thave a way of um showing that
your, your side is, uh, uh,standing on the most logical,

(01:49:21):
you know, winning, I don't knowhow to describe it even.
But basically I don't thinkit's that hard.
In that particular debate itwasn't like something that was
like, well, it could have beenhim, could have been him, but it
was specifically set up as adebate and not just a
conversation.
And uh, uh, dilahanti was veryquick to address the points that

(01:49:43):
peterson put out and show, um,where they were inconsistent, uh
, like things that that theycan't both be right, that he's
saying, and Peterson was a lotslower to the punch in that.
Yeah, he still made some goodpoints, but just not I think he

(01:50:05):
had an off day is the bottomline.
And then the other one was morerecent, with another atheist guy
who Peterson interviewed on hisshow, and this was not a debate
, this was more of aconversation, and I'm trying to
remember what the other guy'sname is, I can't remember.
He's a British dude, he'sfairly young, but he's basically

(01:50:27):
been making atheist videos forabout 10 or 12 years.
He started when he was like 15.
And has been sort of growinghis channel doing those.
But he's very respectful, veryBritish that's a good way of

(01:50:49):
putting it traditional Britishin his style, so that everything
is very there's nothing at allpersonal, like everything is
just conceptual.
And in that one it's not adebate, it's a conversation.
But he really kind of tries toget from Jordan an explanation

(01:51:09):
of what does your belief inChristianity mean to you and how
is it?
You know, why is itChristianity, why isn't it just
good ideas that you happen tobelieve in, or something like
that.
But, like I said, I do or Idon't know.
I don't think I know personally, but I've heard enough people

(01:51:33):
question Jordan Peterson'sChristianity to know that it's
obviously a thing that existsokay, yeah, I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Um, I'm just being very careful with my language as
well, right?

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
well, and it's really hard to talk about christianity
in general just because thereis so much diversity of opinion.
You know, going from the thecatholic side, who would say
that only catholics are actualchristians, everybody else is a
heretic um well, they're wrong.
Going to the protestants, whosay that this was never meant to

(01:52:12):
be organized as a personalrelationship with god, and so so
, therefore, catholicism isactually worshiping a female
goddess, and they wouldn'tnecessarily be wrong in that
either.
But yet both groups callthemselves Christians and
there's just a large variety ofbeliefs that are based out of

(01:52:34):
the same stories that arereferred to as Christianity,
that don't necessarily all agreewith each other.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
Yeah, that, yes, and that's okay.
But it's also you know, welcometo welcome to the debate, right
.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
I guess, yeah, I don't know.
I mean it's interesting, butit's.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
I think it's probably less interesting to me than it
is to you, okay?
Well then, no one's asking youto convert or anything like that
.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
So it's like y'all kind of are that's part of your
deal no, um, actually I'm verymuch not.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
I'm not a very good apologist at all I, I don't, I
don't do that.
I never have, I've never beenan evangelical that has gone,
you know, out fishing for men inthat way.
Uh, it's just not been, eventhough I know I'm called to do
it.
It's just not something.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
I it's literally definition of evangelizing.
Yes, I know so.
How are you in?
Well, not you personally, buthow can an evangelical be not
evangelizing?

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
well, I wouldn't call myself an evangelical.
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
That's why I said not you yeah but it I.
I think there are people thatare too shy to do that, but
would still consider themselvesevangelical.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
You know, one of the things I'd say is that I think
that, like there's only been onetime in my life that I would
say that I really, reallyproselytized to someone, and you
know, different time, differentitems.

(01:54:20):
You know, things aren't alwayscut and dry on when and why we
do something.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
I always thought that would be fun to do what
Proselytize?

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Why.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Well, because you're like selling something to
somebody that is good for them,be a super easy slam dunk.
Okay.
Because generally, you know, ifyou're selling stuff, it's
something that that persondoesn't really need, doesn't
definitely doesn't want, butyou're uh, you're trying to get

(01:55:00):
them to change their mind.
That's what the process ofselling is taking somebody who's
not intent on spending moneyand converting them Sure.
So if you actually believe inthe product, you believe in the
religion, then I would thinkthat this would be both easy and
exciting, and I think there issomething to be said for the

(01:55:22):
mormons doing that, like forcingall their youngsters to do that
at some point I think it's ohgod don't get me started on that
.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
I I really don't like the.
I really don't like the way themormon church is set up.
It's not anything againstmormons specifically, but I
really don't like the um, theway they handle things, by any
stretch well, all I know is thatsome of the best salespeople

(01:55:58):
I've ever met have been Mormon.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Oh, I'm sure.
And they I'm sure have pickedup at least the basics of doing
this when they were off on their.
What do they call it?
The mission, yeah, yeah, whenthey're doing their missions,
which I think typically happenslike at like 19 or 20 years old,

(01:56:20):
right at the end of high school.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
Yeah, before college, yep before brigham young uh,
the I always just used to jokethat it was bring them young oh
well, there is that reputationas well and, for the record, I
you know, my, my boy scout troopwas in a mormon church.

(01:56:46):
I, really my best friends, aremormon.
I grew up around a lot ofmormons when we lived in idaho
on the commune yes, and I amjust I'm not a fan of the Mormon
church and what it does and howit came about.
I think that there are a lot ofindividual Mormon families that

(01:57:07):
I know and love and have, youknow, a soft place in my heart
for them, but that's a verydifferent thing than well, you
just keep praying for them, sothey don't end up in hell well,
I mean, you know they'll baptizeme after I'm dead.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
It's okay whatever yes, but what if multiple people
baptize you?
If you did, which family you'regonna end up in?

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
I mean that that's the whole problem and that's
where you know ancestry came up.
That's where some of thegenetic stuff has come up, so
that you know if your relativesdidn't believe we can, we can go
back and we can save them.
Like it's just so much of thesouth park, got it way too right
, okay yeah, there's a video Iwatched.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
I'm sorry but the uma and the thuma should have been
the first clue there's a video Iwatched of a uh ex-mormon chick
that uh was did a live watchthrough of the south park with
commentary yeah, and uh, it was.

(01:58:14):
It's always fun watching peopleum you know that that have never
seen south park, but arefamiliar with the topic they're
covering yeah, maybe they'veseen south park but they're not
like rabid south park fansbecause, uh, they don't like a

(01:58:34):
lot of the shit that we laugh atjust because it's south park,
they they first have to, likeyou know, analyze it, because
they don't have a context forwhat south park is.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
So it's pretty interesting and what was her
reaction to?

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
oh, she thought it was extremely accurate that, uh,
that she, as a teenager, waswondering a lot of those same
things.
It's like, well, how, how arepeople believing in this shit?
Because while she was doing itand while she was, you know,
getting ready for her mission,and because I think it's only
the boys that have to go on themission oh, no, no, no, no, it's

(01:59:15):
the girls too, no no, no, nogirls are not, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
Girls are not required to do a mission.
Well, it's the men who have todo a mission.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Now do girls do yes uh, I I know a couple that have
when they were in right afterhigh school, so maybe they're
not required to, but it sureseems like they do them sure,
but you know it, it's reallyabout the, the boys going off
and doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
They can't, yeah, be married in the church.
They can't do lots of things ifthey don't do this all right,
but a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
It's not the same requirement okay, well, that,
well, that's fine, but plenty ofthem do it anyway.
She was going to do it, yeah,sure, and the, when she was
watching in the South Park inthat episode where the, the wife
of the guy that was funding him, says you know, well, what can

(02:00:18):
you show us the?
Uh, the tablets or whatever.
And he's like, well, they, Ican't remember if he lost them
or if they got taken away orsomething, but anyway they're
gone.
And and then his second likebasically her point was all the

(02:00:41):
people in the Book of Mormonthat question Mormonism at its
starting point were askingcompletely normal, logical
questions.
Sure, and we're gettingcompletely illogical answers
back.
And because it's in the book ofMormon that just, they gloss

(02:01:02):
over that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
Yeah, so I don't know .

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
I you're.
You're not going to get anyargument out of me.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
I know, I know, but but I have, I think, a similar
kind of I guess not response, asimilar idea about Mormons
versus Mormonism, which is, I'dsay, easily, over 90% of all the
Mormons I've ever met have beenreally nice people.

(02:01:35):
Over 90% of all the MormonsI've ever met have been really
nice people.
They've been very cordial, veryjust, nice to be around.
Like you know, you don't feelicky being around them the way
you do around other people,agreed, and so I guess the
question I would ask is what canyou take the ideas of Mormonism

(02:01:56):
out of Mormonism?
Dump the religion and thenbuild a different one, or keep
the beliefs without a religionthat end up generating the same
kinds of people?

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
Sure, it's called the Jack Mormon.
A what Jack Mormon?

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
I've never heard about that.
What is this?

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
I've never heard about that.
What is this?
It's someone who isn't reallyin the Mormon church and you
know, but still follows themajority of the tenants and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
Really, I've never heard of that.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I don't know what to tell you, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
You've met some of these people.
I don't know what to tell you.
I'm sorry You've met some ofthese people.
Oh yeah, yeah.
So they follow the tenets ofthe church but aren't in the
church.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
Correct.
They follow the majority of thetenets.
Now they may have some thingsthat they don't.

Speaker 2 (02:02:51):
They don't drink alcohol.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
Or they do, and that would be where they deviate, and
why they're not in the church.
Oh, okay, you know, there'slots of things there so, yeah, I
I still.

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
One of my most memorable experiences was when
I'd met a mormon dude that, uh,here in austin, that was in the
class, and then I ended upworking where he lived, or in
the general, you know, like onecity away from where he lived in
in um, oregon, and so we gottogether for lunch, uh, cause I

(02:03:25):
thought it'd be fun to catch up.
And uh, you know, I drink ashocker, I drink iced tea.
And so, uh, even when I was inOregon working, I ordered an
iced tea.
And then he said, yeah, I'llhave the same thing.
I didn't think twice about it.
And then, you know, a little bit, after chatting and waiting for

(02:03:48):
our food to show up anddrinking our tea, he said, you
know, this is the first tea I'veever had.
And I said what do you mean?
Well, I, uh, I've never had teabecause it's not allowed, right
, and he, he just has at at his.
He, I think he was in his late50s at that time, so he's

(02:04:11):
probably in the 60s now.
He had just kind of parted wayswith the church and uh, to the
point where he's still notdrinking and, and this was
literally the first time he everhad tea, caffeine yeah so well
it was it was an interestingexperience because you don't
expect a 50 something year olddude to have never had caffeine.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
And you know, it's kind of interesting because
their prohibition on caffeine isreally it's not even in the
book of Mormon, it's in some ofactually Joseph Smith's wife
writing later and stuff.
It's just yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:51):
Yeah, the, the, the writings of the prophets, yeah,
the writings of the prophets.
Even the later day prophets aretaking a very strong
directional suggestion.
I guess, I don't know, sure, itis hard to say, because I think
there are a number of groups ofpeople who I would not want to

(02:05:12):
join, like I'm not.
Oh, my God, this is such agreat group I want to become, to
become a part of this group,but who, nonetheless, I I have a
certain amount of respect for.
Okay, like um, uh, the um amish, for example, have no interest
in being Amish.

(02:05:33):
Okay, but I've never met anAmish person who wasn't also
very cordial, very nice, veryhelpful.
Like, people that come out ofthat religion tend to be very
positive very positive.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
I think it would be hard not to come out of that and
be positive.
But yes, I mean you don't havethe autism rates, for example.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But even drugs aside, I justthink that the thing, know, the
thing that both Mormons andAmish have in common that is
missing in the typical Americanfamily right now is family time,
and that is what, and the Mormare young, when the kids are

(02:06:39):
teenagers even and it's the samething with Amish it's beyond
just getting together to readprayer, it's just doing things,
including playing games, playingchess, playing checkers, you
know, going, working out, doingthings together as a family.

(02:06:59):
It keeps the family unit, astrong, independent unit that is
much less affected by externalforces, and that is something
that is greatly missing inAmerica right now, because those
external forces have corruptedabout half the population at

(02:07:19):
this point.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
I think that's an underestimate, but sure that's
why.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
I said at least, come on, ben quit nitpicking at
things where I'm actually tryingto not be hyperbolic, not be
hyperbolic.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
Well, I think the point is that we have allowed
the family to break down.
For instance, I think of theguy who the Jan Sixer, who was
turned in by his own son.
Right.
Mm-hmm, that should be fuckingunthinkable.

(02:07:55):
Mm-hmm Might be an argument forabortion post-term.
Might be an argument forkicking someone's ass.

Speaker 2 (02:08:11):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's a um.
It's not a problem that's goingto get solved nearly as quickly
as the things that trump issolving in the government.
Unfortunately, I think it'sgoing to take a generation or
two to really kind of move inthe opposite direction to bring
things more back to where theyneed to be.

(02:08:31):
Uh, unfortunately I don't thinkit's a short-term fixable thing
, um, short of a war where awhole generation of people die.

Speaker 1 (02:08:42):
If that happens, then things tend to change very
drastically, very quickly likewell, I don't know if we need a
whole generation of people todie, but I think we need a whole
generation of people to growthe fuck up um and that's a.

Speaker 2 (02:08:56):
That's something that hasn't happened in a while yeah
, maybe, maybe, uh, thatasteroid isn't such a bad thing
then yeah, I don't, yes, andyeah, and it's.
There was a.
You know I've been watching alot more Asim and Gold lately.
You know this because I sendyou his videos and historically

(02:09:21):
I've occasionally watched himfor gaming content, not much
else Right, but he's beenwatching a lot of politics and
you've been going crazy over it.
He is now being accused of beingthe number one Twitch politics
channel.
I say accused because that'show he calls it.
He's like these people areaccusing me of being, because
he's always had a lot of viewersand now he's switched gears

(02:09:46):
into not exclusively politics.
He still talks about games andstuff, but, holy shit, every
time Trump is in front of acamera, aslan is watching.
Well, it's not just him, it'salso he's watching vance and
everybody else too, but becausehe's watching them, like 50 000

(02:10:06):
to 100 000 people that arewatching him are also watching
that now, sure, so I think thisis having a positive spin effect
as well.
But, uh, where I was going withthis is, um, he had mentioned
that, uh, that, even compared towhen he was a kid and, yeah, I

(02:10:29):
think he's just a little bityounger than you, not a whole
lot younger than you, but alittle bit.
Uh.
That there's.
How old do you think he is?

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
I think he's 32 well, that would be quite a bit
younger than me well, it's, hemight be 34, but it's, he's in
his early 30s.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
He's definitely under 35, um, okay, but either way,
like, even compared to himrelating back to stories when he
was a kid and he very much wasgrowing up with the video games
as the main thing uh, the thatright now you got kids that
literally have not done anythingother than play a game on their

(02:11:08):
phone or or on a sonyplaystation.
Like they have zero real worldexperiences.
They've never ridden a bikewith their friends, they've
never gone after school to gohang out somewhere without
adults, they've never had toexperience or know what to do in
any kind of emergency situation.

(02:11:29):
Like they're literally theirentire life.
It revolves around them beingquote-unquote safe physically
because they're using theirphone as their only means of
travel well I think this goes toa lot of the helicopter
parenting that we've seen.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
Yeah, the issues, and you know there has to be at
least some deprivation and somerisk, um, because that's the
entire point of life.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
And if you're not doing that, then yeah, if you
don't learn how to deal withrisk as a kid, you will pay for
it as an adult.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:12:10):
And you can say, well said, and then we'll wrap up
the show.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
Well, well said sir.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
Well, thank you, ben, that's uh I appreciate that on
that note, we'll go ahead andwrap it up, because, uh, we were
gonna end like half an hour agoand then we kept talking.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
So yeah, a little longer episode, but that's okay,
you know occasionally.

Speaker 3 (02:12:29):
Hopefully the mormon talk was interesting to some
people but yeah, I'm sure, noteverybody no, I'm sure there
will be some pissed off warmerstoo oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:12:38):
Well, I don't mind pissing any any one group up,
but just remember, we all loveyou absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Thank y'all.

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