108 Just Two Good Old Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey Ben, how are you today?
Dude, I am doing better than Ideserve.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's been quite the week.
I was walking on air yesterday.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm sure you were, oh boy.
What happened yesterday?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Gene Well, yesterday Ukraine committed suicide by use
of its president.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, it was uh something.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I can tell you that so I just sent you a text which
you probably haven't read yet,but I, I said, I said this um
zielinski thinks he's the maincharacter when he's really just
an npc.
With a few lines I did see thatwhich, yeah, using the video

(00:55):
game metaphor, is quiteappropriate to describe that
situation.
Um, I watched the uh zielinskitrump interview live.
I had a playing on one of themonitors while I was doing some
other stuff and I, I swear togod, my jaw physically started
dropping down to the floorbecause I couldn't believe.

(01:16):
He kept saying what he wassaying, that any normal person
would shut the fuck up.
And he kept digging, anddigging, and digging and then he
threw his shovel out of thehole that he dug for himself by
on the immediate interview rightafter this uh trump meeting,

(01:39):
saying that he didn't feel likehe had to apologize.
Are you there?
Did we lose Ben again?
Uh-oh, his computer probablyrebooted.
Let's see if he drops off theconnection.

(01:59):
I'm going to stay online and,instead of stopping the
recording, keep talking here.
So, basically, I'll let me knowthat Ben know that he.
Oh yeah, he just texted me.
He says pause.
We're not going to pause, we'regoing to keep talking and see
if he comes back on.
But yeah, if anybody hasn'tseen the Zelensky interview,

(02:23):
definitely watch it.
I think there's probably abillion copies of it on YouTube
now and TikTok and everythingelse.
But in this press conference,whose purpose?
Okay, I lost you for a second.
Yeah, I figured I've just stillbeen talking.
I saw your message here.
I've just been describing it.
The purpose of their meeting wasessentially just simply to

(02:46):
announce that zielinski issigning the deal that trump's
been talking about, which is allukrainian resources forever.
50 of the profits go toamerican companies, which is a
hell of a deal for america, notso much for ukraine.
But hey, that's what you getwhen you decide to, uh, you know

(03:08):
, be the football in a footballgame between russia and the and,
uh, the us.
So that's the.
The whole point should havebeen a very short little smiling
faces kind of oppressor.
The whole point should havebeen a very short little smiling
faces kind of a presser.
And instead Zelensky startedacting like this was his press

(03:30):
conference, by wanting to jumpin on questions that were asked
and then to provide the answersthat had the exact same
propagandistic feel as what hewas saying during the previous
administration, which isUkraine's winning.
We're.
You know, we're about to kickRussia's ass and all we need is

(03:54):
for the US and Europe to standbehind us, be our partners.
It's like, hey, dumb shit.
No one wants this.
Everyone's sick and tired ofwasting money that keeps
disappearing.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
350 billion dollars could have bought every american
a what a thousand dollars gift.
Is that what it is right so?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
350 billion would be a thousand times that well, what
it comes down to is.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
He kept saying and going off on, and the sticking
point really seemed to be thesecurity guarantees.
And it's like hello, if we'regoing to, uh, put this sort of
investment into your country,you're going to get de facto
security guarantees without theus having to explicitly say it
and piss off russia yeah, and hewanted to explicit yeah he

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wanted to piss off russia.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Well, yeah, no, he wants to defeat russia.
That's the thing is, if youkeep watching his interviews,
dude, yeah, he literally hislanguage.
He doesn't use the word defeat,but his language is very much
that we have to win.
We have to defeat putin.
We have to defeat russia.
Uh, we can't accept them asanything but enemies forever.

(05:10):
Like that is not speaking forhis country, absolutely not.
Uh, everybody in ukraine istired of fighting.
They have lost a very they'velost a generation.
They've lost a huge percentageof their male population.
They've lost, throughimmigration, a very large

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percentage of their femalepopulation.
Once the war is over and theofficial census is done, I would
bet Ukraine's population todayis probably around 60% of what
it was five years ago oh they're.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
They're headed for demographic collapse, not only
through, uh, the males who?
Have died, I mean you've lostwell over a generation of males.
In this.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I mean with, with, the generate like a big gen,
like, from you know, 18 to 35.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's a huge percentage of males that are
dead now but the the point isyou just made it with the
migration moving out.
Everything else it is.
It is astonishing to watch acountry commit suicide and I I
had a a liberal friend I wastalking to yesterday say, well,

(06:24):
it's their right to commitsuicide if they want, and I said
, yeah, I agree, and I would nothave handled the situation
quite the way Trump did.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I wouldn't have.
I wouldn't have gotten into thebickering or any of that.
What I would have done is Iwould have stood up.
I'd have said Mr Zelensky, ifyou want your nation to commit
suicide, fine, you can do itwithout the us.
And we are out, we are, we arepulling everything.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
We are not doing this well, that's effectively what
happened immediately afterwards,when we started getting trump's
posts on his own social medianetwork.
And then, um, what's his face?
The attorney general's posts onhis own social media network.
And then, um, what's his face,the attorney general's posts,
and I'm sure we'll see morecoming from our um, uh, hegseth,

(07:16):
I'm sure there'll be morecoming from him about, you know,
cessation of us support.
Yeah, the like I said this thisis this literally was
committing a suicide in front ofcameras and then doubling down
on it by zelensky and I.

(07:36):
I saw the uh thing you sent.
Where the legislature in ukraineis calling for an impeachment,
good luck.
He's been a dictator for overthree years.
They've canceled elections,they've shut down churches,
they've taken over privateproperties.
He's literally done everyaction that you can think of

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that we routinely use as areason to go into a country to
topple a dictator yeah, so he'snot getting impeached.
Routinely use as a reason to gointo a country to topple a
dictator yeah, so he's notgetting impeached.
The people that are calling forthat will be dead, probably
within a day or two.
There's a, an Americanjournalist.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
We will see my, my thought is that he I think that
if the Ukrainians have any hopefor peace.
So here's my outline of thethree possibilities.
Possibility, and this is inorder of most likelihood.
Possibility number one the USis out of Europe.

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We pull out from Ukraine.
We tell our European allies donot send troops into ukraine.
If you do, at the very leastwe're out of nato.
If not you, yeah you know we'reout and we become original
hegemon.
And that's fine by me, um,option number two is Zelensky is

(09:06):
removed, and when he is removed, the new president immediately
flies over, kisses ass and saysplease fix this.
Option number three that Ithink is the least likely,
especially given his interviewwith Brett Baer yesterday, which
I haven't finished, but I'vewatched part of it.
Zelensky publicly apologizes,gives a mea culpa and says

(09:34):
please help us.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's too late, I think, like I said, that's the
least likely.
Yeah, I think the question thatthis event has raised in a lot
of people's heads who've eithernot cared or even initially on
where the ukrainian flag ontwitter people uh notice there
are almost zero of those.
There's maybe one everythousand posts.

(09:58):
I see that that has a ukrainianflag.
These days, the real hardcorepeople that are nazis, but um,
the thing that I think this isdone is it's brought the
following question to theirminds is this the guy that we've
entrusted to fight russia andsent 350 million dollars to?

(10:21):
Because it's not like hechanged for this interview from
someone he's always been.
No, this is literally the waythat the person that america has
been sold is fighting forfreedom and fighting for
democracy.
This is that person.

(10:41):
This is the way he's alwaysbeen.
He he's insane, and it'sobvious that not only is it time
for all eight to stop, but thatwe've been on the wrong side of
this conflict the entire timeyeah agreed.

(11:01):
A few of us have known that forthe last three years, but I
think a lot more people arethinking that right now is like
hold on, are we the baddies here?
Uh, you know, he comes across alot more as hitler.
And I don't mean the sort ofpaint anybody you don't like as
hitler, I mean watch old worldwar ii movies of hitler speaking

(11:21):
to the press.
Yeah, watch zielinski speakingto the press.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think he's been watching those to get pointers
well, regardless what it comesdown to is, it was not a good
day for ukraine yesterday no no,but here's the other thing if
we we pull out first of all,Putin will go and take at least

(11:47):
Odessa.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
And I hope so.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
The international community is going to scream.
See, he's taking over, justlike we said he would.
You were wrong Trump.
Everyone who said Putin onlywants this is wrong.
I think he'll stop after that,but we'll see uh tbd and you

(12:14):
know um, I think the french andthe british are likely to.
Yes, I'm sorry, you can go fuckthemselves yeah, but they're
likely to send in troops yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I think France is going to rah-rah for it.
The UK may actually do it.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
No, I think both are fairly likely.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
France has bigger problems at home.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Macron is a dipshit and he wants to save another
dipshit Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't think any of those people want to deal.
They're not thinking aboutdealing with what it's going to
look like on their television toshow caskets flying back.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Hmm, I didn't say they were smart to do it.
Gets flying back.
Hmm, europeans, I didn't saythey were smart to do it, no, no
.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Europeans don't want this.
European elites want thisbecause everybody has been using
Ukraine for money launderingEverybody.
It's literally like.
You know the local moneylaundering operation in Well,
the local, the, the one in, um,in, what is that tv show that

(13:31):
was really good about moneylaundering?
Uh, that the?
What was it called?
The ozark?
It's like ozark.
You ever watch that show?
Uh, some of it, yeah, okay, Ithought it was really good.
I think some of jason bateman'sbest work, um, which is
interesting because he'snormally a comedic actor, but he

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was playing a serious part here.
Plus, it had that.
That actress that I think isreally hot.
The blonde, the blonde, yesshe's not hot, so hot.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Weird looking she's so hot.
Oh, jean, jean, jean uh, yeah,anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Um, where's that going with this?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I forgot what I was talking about so you're talking
about money laundering and, yeah, money yeah, it's like.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's like, all of a sudden, the mob realizes that
their money laundering operationis caught by the government and
now they're like, okay, well,we got to figure out a way to,
because we got to keeplaundering money, so we got to
figure out something else here.
Uh, but the, the moneylaundering operation that

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ukraine has been for so manyyears, including during the
soviet times, it's just becomebigger because, uh, when the
soviet union fell, the moneylaundering didn't stop, it
expanded and it allowed the westnow as well, to start
laundering money.

(15:05):
So, yeah, it's I.
I mean people that live therethat have nothing to do with
politics are the ones that yougot to feel sorry for because
they got caught up in this.
Like you know, people farming,people in production, people at
the nuclear plant, people thatjust did regular jobs got fucked

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.
Because the people that theyelect and granted, they hold
some responsibility for electingthose people, the people that
they elect decided to expandtheir personal wallets by
expanding their money launderingoperations to the rest of the
world, and I think what'shappening is a natural outcome

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of that.
But zielinski really kind ofyou know, he, he like hit it
with a big hammer on top ofeverything else, to really drive
this nail home like does anyonetruly trust the guy who you saw
on television yesterday to actin the interests of the United

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States, democracy and freedom?
Hell, no.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Look, I think the meeting started off very
differently.
And for people who've onlywatched the 10 minute explosive
bit, you really need to watchthe 40 plus minute entire
interview.
And the reason why I say thatis because trump was nice, he
was cordial, he wasn'taggressive towards zelensky
until zelensky said some stupidshit.

(16:36):
And what it comes down to istrump's not wrong about flirting
with world war iii.
That is not an exaggeration,nope.
And people have to realize thathe is truly worried that, hey,
this is not going to go inAmerica's best interest if I
don't handle this.

(16:57):
The minerals deal is a way ofhandling that in a really fairly
sophisticated way.
In a really fairlysophisticated way, and when I
say a fairly sophisticated way,what I mean is he's creating a
situation where the us will haveinterest in ukraine, which will
naturally limit russianexpansion, without bringing the

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ukraine into nato, without themhaving to go to the eu, without
any of that.
It's just a very good way to doit I don't know how else to say
it, yep, and zelinski's justtoo stupid to see it, I guess,
but you know.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, I don't know if he's just caught up in you know
believing his own propaganda orwhat, but I think that probably
is likely scenario that he's.
He's uh caught up in in thepropaganda because really for
three years he's been makingvideos talking about the war

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that ukraine's winning.
They lose more territory everysingle day, literally.
You look at the daily maps ofthe uh, the military movements.
You see that every day and it'snot much.
The bit that a lot of peoplepoint to is like, well, if

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Russia is supposed to be thesecond, you know, biggest
superpower and all they can dois move a hundred yards in one
day, then they're not really athreat.
The bit that everyone heredoesn't understand and I've said
this for the entirety of thethree years is that this is a

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Slavic civil war.
People in Russia don't want tokill Ukrainians.
People in Ukraine that arefighting don't actually want to
kill Russians for one verysimple reason they have family
on both sides.
Almost everybody that'sinvolved in this war has some

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relative that is in the othercountry, because this was never
two countries, this was alwaysone country, and you literally
have the western part of thecountry that, for God knows why,
ended up.
Getting independence after thefall of the Soviet Union Should
have never happened.
Independence after the fall ofSoviet Union should have never

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happened.
That western part of thecountry has been infiltrated by
people that have always hatedMoscow control, and so they'll
do anything that they can,including destroying their own
country, in order to make itharder for Moscow.
This is all about revengeagainst communists, and it's
revenge against things that theydidn't like, or they're even

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not them personally, but theirrelatives, who are older, didn't
like during the soviet uniondays.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
This isn't truly about independence well, what it
comes down to is look, zelinskicould have.
The entire meeting could havegone very, very differently had
Zelensky just come in and saidMr President, american people,
if he would have started andsaid thank you the way he did on

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Brett Baier's show in thebeginning, it would have been a
totally different meeting.
Even if he said I really wantthe security guarantees, it
would have been a totallydifferent meeting.
Even if he said I really wantthe security guarantees, like it
would have been a totallydifferent meeting.
And vance pointing that outyeah, the more I see vance, the
more I'm impressed with him youknow, and he's also getting,
it's very a lot of the liberalsI've talked to have said oh my

(20:39):
god, are you embarrassed now.
Are you happy?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
with your vote.
How could you?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
have done this and I'm like no, I'm thrilled, this
is exactly the shit I want.
We are a uh, we are a countryrun by men again not, not idiots
, not the walking dead.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Um no, I'm very happy with this and I don't know how
anyone could know this is thething that I noticed as well is
that I think Vance is extremelypolarizing in that regard,
because everybody on our side ofthe aisle loves what Vance did
by jumping in there and sayingwhat clearly Trump was thinking.

(21:20):
But Trump's trying to be astatesman and not really, you
know, put a magnifying glass onit, but Trump's trying to be a
statesman and not really, youknow, put a magnifying glass on
it.
But my answer was like have yousaid thank you even once for
what your country has received?

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yes, I have said thank you many times, not during
this meeting.
No, you haven't and he hadn't.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
No, he hadn't, and I don't think he said many thank
yous ever.
I think that's just a bullshit,throwaway statement, of course.
I think that's just a bullshitthrowaway statement, of course.
I've said it a billion times.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
No, you haven't said it once because I'm sure he has
said thank you in some speech atsome point in time really we
could ask AI how many times hasZelensky said thank?
You.
I know he said it, at least onBritBear's show prior to this.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
How many times has Zelensky publicly thanked the US
ever?
And the videos that I see, likethe one I put on X yesterday,
are like the Ukrainian armythrowing away American flags now
.
Oh yeah, the question is whydid they have American flags to
begin with?
First of all, good question.
I guess they came for free withall the American gear we sent

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them.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Maybe Uh-huh, but it's yeah it's and these are
blacked out, camoed.
You know, MVG camoed Moralepatches that were on a guy's
helmet, by the way.
Yeah, you know, mvg camoedmorale patches that were on a
guy's helmet, by the way.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, somebody says Webster's dictionary has just
had a new word after Zelensky'svisit to the White House.
I sent that to you Zelensky'dyeah, lose everything through
your own stupidity.
Right, that would be stupidity.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Right, that would be pretty funny.
Yeah, and you, you're the onewho sent me the uh porn hub, uh
uh punish Ukrainian bitch.
Yeah, dude, when, when LindseyGraham comes out afterwards and
says it's time to resign.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
When your own ambassador is sitting there face
palming as you're talkingresign, you fucked up.
When your own ambassador issitting there face palming as
you're talking, you fucked up.
Oh, it was just at thesituation.
It was this.
It was that.
It was their bad behavior.
How can they act like they'rereally?
They're really just better.
It is men in charge and men nottaking shit, exactly, exactly.

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Anyway, it's funny, but I've gotliberal friends texting me this
morning literally asking youknow, hey, I want to talk and
ask you why you voted for this.
Let's see, let's's see.
These are people that likegetting fucked up the ass.
I see.
I need someone who supports himto explain to me why they're

(24:12):
happy with his decisions in anintellectually honest way.
You're literally the onlysupporter I know who is
intellectually honest.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
You're not gonna like what I have to say a false
statement, because clearly theyknow other people that are just
those.
People aren't willing to talkto them, and you are.
Yeah, yeah yeah, fair enough.
No, it's.
Uh.
I I think that this has been abeautiful thing in so many ways,
and I never expected zelenskyto be the one to deliver ukraine

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to Well.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think it's more than that, because I think we
are, like I said, leaving Europe.
I think when we leave Europe,we're going to have a whole
bunch of money come home andwe're going to collapse the
European economies.
And the reason why we're goingto collapse the European
economies is when I say we'regoing to leave Europe, I don't

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mean we're just going to get outof ukraine and let europe do
whatever they want to do I meanI see us closing bases in
germany, france and everywhereelse and saying fine fuck off,
we're done.
Yeah, that will billions andbillions of dollars that are
currently spent on thishemisphere.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Exactly this is where the wealth is, anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Dude, I'm telling you we are going into an empire
phase, we are going into anexpansionist phase.
I can see us hosting areferendum in Greenland on their
independence and whether or notthey want to join the US.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I would love to see the American Caribbean become a
thing.
Take all the damn French andBritish and Dutch islands and
free them.
Well, I.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
American territories.
I think you are going to getyour way.
I think the death of theAmericans without even a
passport.
The death of the Americanfarmer on the border.
People are calling for dronestrikes against the cartels.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think it's very likely to happen.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't think we'll take all of Mexico, but I think
we'll take northern Mexico.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, we should take the whole damn thing.
No one wants the wholexico.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah we should take the whole damn thing.
No one wants the whole damnthing I want the whole damn
thing, and then we continuefurther south look, I'm telling
you, it's going to be fromgreenland to japan is going to
be the sphere of influence.
Oh my god, I just got my new uhai song.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
What's that?
New American Anthem FromGreenland to the southern tip of
South America.
It's all ours.
Okay, I'm going to have to workon this after the podcast.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
And, ladies and gentlemen, this is the ADD I
have to deal with on a regularbasis anyway.
Uh, rubio.
Rubio was staring daggers atzolinski oh god, yeah, dude it.
It it was.
This was such a busy week.
What do you want to talk aboutnext?

(27:23):
Because I I think we'vehammered the ukraine thing home
fairly well, sure, yeah, youwant to go to the epstein files?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
nothing there.
What did I say a week ago onthis podcast?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
the bombshell was released yesterday.
What?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
what bombshell are you referring to?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
pam bondy's letter.
How's that a bombshell, Becauseit's saying that what do you
mean?
How is it not?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I don't think it's a bombshell.
I think it's in the face of thefact that they put the wrong
person in that position.
There's no balls.
You need somebody with balls inthat position.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Kash Patel doesn't have balls.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Kash Patel's not in that position.
Fireel doesn't have balls.
Dash patel is not in thatposition.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Fire pam bondy and put cash no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So here's the thing with the,with the letter that was
released I think it's actually avery, very positive step that,

(28:26):
hey, this is not happening, thisis not working.
There are people in the FBI whoare keeping shit from me that
should not be keeping shit fromme.
We have to stop this.
This has to.
We have to stop this.
This has to.
If the FBI does not capitulateand give up the files and I will

(28:50):
be very disappointed if wedon't see the- FBI.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
What does that mean?
That is retarded.
The government's been in placefor two months.
What do you mean?
The FBI won't give up the files, walk in there with rifles in
hand and shoot anyone thatstands in the way, because they
are traitors and traitors getkilled.
It's the law of the land.
This is bullshit.

(29:12):
But you can't have a departmentfor two months hiding something
that the president wants.
No, that that's bullshit.
That's that's the most pussybehavior that we've ever seen
and, frankly, I don't needsomebody without balls and
positions of power.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Jesus Christ Gene.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I'm saying what everybody's thinking.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Literally here.
But okay, look, I think it is agood thing, I think it is a
good step, I think we're movingin the right direction at this
pace, it'll be two years beforewe see anything I don't think so
.
I think we are moving fasterthan anyone can uh, can keep up.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
You don't think it's just going to be all gone.
Whatever was there is going tojust disappear.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh, that very well may be the plan In fact, this
may be the negotiated plan is tosay, hey, we won't release
these files and we'll say thatthey were destroyed, but what we
need from y'all is somescapegoats.
Well, that's not hard to get,and I think it will be a good
excuse on how we destroy the FBIand get rid of the FBI.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Well, I think we have a better chance of destroying
Ukraine than the FBI.
Frankly, uh okay, I I don'tthink the fbi is going to get
destroyed.
I think a few people willcertainly get fired over this,

(30:56):
but the fbi is growing at a ratewhere, if you take the people
that end up getting fired thisyear, what you're going to end
up with is exactly the samenumber of people that were in
the FBI.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Oh, no, no, no, no.
I think we're talking about thefundamental dissolution of the
FBI Not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Okay, we'll see.
So there's my prediction.
I was right about Zelensky.
You're right about this.
Yeah, look, I would love forall of government, including the
fbi, to be reduced.
We know that the onlylegitimate purpose of the
federal government is to providesecurity against international

(31:41):
threats, so any departments thatdon't deal with that need to go
away you saw what um musk said,right you know, musk has been
posting so much.
I don't think I've seen all ofhis posts.
Which one are you referring to?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm talking about him on joe rogan and I am oh, I, I
haven't finished that eitherbecause, holy shit, a lot has
happened in the last 24 hours.
Yeah, musk went on rogan andone of the statements that's
going around twitter is himsaying if he completely
eliminated all the corruptionand issues with the federal
government, they would kill him.

(32:18):
Yeah, that's, that's probablytrue.
I, I think it's a very truestatement.
So I don't know.
I think we have some veryself-aware people who are acting
very selflessly for the country.
Yeah, you know, people asked mein the last 24 hours do you
believe Trump's acting for theUS?
Yeah, I do.

(32:38):
I think he's acting veryselflessly.
He has lost a billion dollarssince he ran for president the
first time.
I think he has.
I look, and I am not a sycophant.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
I am one of the ones, 25 since muskettin yeah, yeah,
I am not a sycophant.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I am someone who, when trump uh sent javelins into
sy, I said it was bad.
I said this is dumb, weshouldn't be doing this.
I called him out on it.
I will call out Trump wheneverI see him doing something stupid
or meaningless or whatever else, but right now, what I see is,

(33:20):
again I will say it the bestpresident of my lifetime.
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, best president of my lifetime.
Oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah, Ifully agree in a lot of ways.
Um I it's difficult for me toimagine the president better, so
he likely is the press, but thebest president in the history
of the United States at thispoint for me.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Um the only I.
I think Vance could be beingset up to be better.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
That's great, that's, that's awesome.
Um, but uh, the biggestdifference between Trump and
everybody previous to him, in myopinion, is exactly what you
just said His self-awareness andhis ability to not put on a
sort of formal this is whatpeople expect kind of a face,

(34:20):
but to actually still be verymuch the person that we've
gotten to know all the time.
Like there, there's no twotrumps.
There was definitely two obamas.
I mean, you've seen the photosof obama kicking back smoking
cigarettes and, you know,laughing at the racist jokes, uh
.
But then there was the formalobama the, the, uh, you know the

(34:45):
, the obama that's going tobring racism to an end in
america, and the only thing thathappened is the exact opposite.
We had way less racismpre-obama than we did post-obama
, agreed.
So I think, with trump justhaving a genuine, relatable
person, there is very, veryunique.

(35:05):
The decisions he made in hisfirst term I had a lot of
problems with because he keptstopping midway for going for
anything.
He kept hiring people thatclearly everybody was saying no,
don't, don't bring in thisrhino, and then he still would.
He's not in this term.
So this.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That's what I was about to say, but we're not
seeing that this time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What we're seeing is just huge,significant change.
People, I I just don'tunderstand how anyone sits there
and argues that, um, the cutsthat doge is making is a bad

(35:51):
thing.
I don't understand how peopledon't see him.
Telling zelinski off the waythey did is a bad thing.
I do not understand this forthe life of me.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
No, but pussies, they don't have balls, man.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
That's the problem and what I hear from uh, mainly
liberal women and trans peoplego ahead um well, some of them
may or may not have balls, wedon't know.
Know that Even the ones that dodon't yeah, I'm making a joke

(36:29):
here but is oh, he's taking awayour rights.
You don't care, because you'rea white male and you're going to
be in charge.
He's taking away our rights.
What right has he?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
taken away.
Maybe they don't deserve thoserights?
What has been?
Taken away, though that's thething, the right to have
annoying, bickering womenrunning things.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Okay, I don't see it.
Well, roe v Wade, well, roe vWade getting an overturn.
Not a right, exactly A, not aright and B.
We see that very differently,and all it did was return it to
the states, and most of thesepeople live in states where they

(37:12):
can still do everything theywanted to do.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, and then they throw out red herrings there.
Yeah, but there's all thesewomen getting raped and now have
to have their kids.
No, it's really not the case no,it's really not the case if
abortion was used in cases ofrape and incest only, it would

(37:37):
not be a topic exactly.
It's a.
Thankfully, I think, that thisperiod of American history is
ending, but this sexualrevolution that was sold to
American women in the 70s,basically saying you can have
your cake and eat it too.
You can be woman plus, you canbe a woman and not have to worry

(38:01):
about anything that yourprevious generations of women
had to worry about it.
This has led us to where we aretoday.
Now, thankfully, where we aretoday is we managed to barely
squeak out and elect somebodylike trump, but we were pretty
damn close to having tamelaharris as our president, who,

(38:24):
you know when, when she met withZelensky right now, instead of
Trump, would have been kissingZelensky's ass and promising
American boots on the ground inUkraine.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, so what do you think the real number is of
money we sent to Ukraine,because that number is
vacillating greatly in the newsmedia.
For instance, yesterday, foxNews put out $175 billion under

(38:58):
the Biden admin in aid and zeroin the second Trump admin I
don't believe those numbers.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
No, that's not correct, because there's
absolutely been money going,even during Trump.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I don't know if they meant new aid.
It's too ambiguous, but it'sannoying.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, well, I think they try to be ambiguous,
frankly, so yeah, yeah, but whatdo you think?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
The?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
US Congress approved $175 billion.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
In one package, sure, but there have been multiple
packages, is my point.
So I don't know man.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Anyway, does it really matter?
I mean, it's all kind of waterunder the bridge.
We're not getting any of thatback.
Um, so yeah, so uh.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Microsoft ai also says it's 175 billion, yeah so
see, that's the, that's the shamnumber I'm saying as well,
because I think it's a lothigher than that.
I think it's more like 500billion.
I think it's over 300 for sure.
Yeah, I think it's more like500.
Yeah, so all right, we'vetalked enough about ukraine.
I tried to get us off on othertopics.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I hear you installed warp finally yeah, finally, when
I mean finally, you told meabout it a day ago, right, but
you've had a mac for how long,like it's been available on
linux and mac for forever.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I've used it on linux and my mac for forever, but
it's now available for windows,which is fucking awesome because
powershell sucks.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
But yeah, yeah, powershell's an improvement over
command.
Yeah, I've been.
You know I've had other thingsto do so I haven't spent too
much time on it.
But it's, it looks good.
I like what I, what I've seenas the feature set.
I like the universal commands.

(41:06):
I like organizing stuff, uh,into groups the way that it does
it automatically.
So yeah, I mean I'm not like apower power shell user or
anything.
I try to just use commands thatyou know.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I can control c and control x and stuff but see,
that's why I figured you wouldlike warp.
So, for those who don't know,we're talking about the warp
terminal, which is uh, which isa uh, just a shell on top of
whatever os command line you'rerunning on.

(41:44):
So what I like about it is it'sa universal shell that I can
use on the Mac, I can use it onLinux, I can use it on Windows.
Now, and what's great about thisis that it's using AI in a
really nice way, because ithelps you with commands.
You can literally say how do Ido this?

(42:05):
And it'll come up.
It's replaced get for me in alot of ways with warp drive.
I'm looking at using it with myteam or when we go out and do
an assessment of a site or weneed to make money because,
because I I'm about to startusing it with my team now that

(42:26):
it's available on Windows.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And that would be paid for they have paid for
versions.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
All right, because I saw the free version.
No, no, no, they have paid forversions.
The free version is limited tohowever many AI queries a month,
or whatever.
And then they've got paidpersonal versions and paid
professional versions.
I've never needed to pay forthe personal version.
But now that this is availableon Windows, what it allows me to

(42:52):
do is with the warp drive whichis a hilarious name.
You can save scripts and sharescripts and, you know, have
people in a team all using thesame scripts without having to
use Git, without having to dothese other things, without
having to thumb drive themaround or email them around, and

(43:13):
when someone makes an update,it updates for everybody.
It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
So just something as simple as how do I subscribe to
your script?
I'm sorry, how do I subscribeto your?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
scripts.
I would have to give youpermission.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
They should have a way for you to be able to share
with anybody.
Okay, because that would beuseful, because I think there's
a bunch of people that are nerdyenough to use this, but not
nerdy enough to actually come upwith creative ways to do
scripts.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Okay, Well, anyway, the point is.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
the point is that you're still trying to figure
out if that's an insult or acompliment.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Exactly.
It's useful, especially on ateam saying, hey, we need to go.
If I said to you, hey, I needyou to go, pull that cisco
switch config and the systeminformation, what would you do?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
let me ask you that I mean, I would talk to whoever's
jab it is to do that and tellthem to do it.
Jesus, I'm not.
I'm not the right guy to askthat.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
My point is you would run, let's say, show run, you
know, show start, so you'd havethe running config, the startup
config.
You'd go through and do that.
Well, everyone's going to do ita little bit differently and
are in a different order, andwhen you're looking at a really
big project, like I am withPuerto Rico, it's astonishing

(44:48):
that.
Okay, how do I get everybodywho's collecting this
information to do it the exactsame way?
If I share out a script thatsays here just run this.
That's a lot, lot easier and Ican have it send out the output

(45:08):
and everything else.
There's just a lot of thingsthat are no use.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I wonder if they have this already or if they don't,
they totally should.
They should have slackintegration.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
You should be able to have a slack channel that I am
sure you can have a slack botassociated with this well,
something that that basicallyshows you the warp drive inside
of slack and then have a slackbot associated with this.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Well, something that that basically shows you the
warp drive inside of slack andthen have a slack channel that
is, you literally can type intothe slack channel that
automatically pipes it into warplike that would be super cool.
Okay, yeah, this is.
I mean now that they're onwindows.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I think they're gonna financially grow a lot because
that's where, like it or hate it, that's where the money is well
, just like for me, I I couldn'tuse this for my business
because it it wasn't on windows,and now that it is, I can

(46:06):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, I like it.
I think it's cool.
I'll have it installed on allmy computers here before too
long.
But again, I would definitelylove for them to have a way to
subscribe to published commandsthat other people have put
together, to scripts that otherpeople have done.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Well, they very well may.
I just have never looked intothat.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They may or may not right now,but I suspect I'm not the only
one thinking about this.
They probably will in thefuture, if they don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, did you get Darren to install it?
Yeah, what did he?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
think I haven't talked to him since yet, but
yeah he was.
Uh, because at first he waslike, yeah, well, you should
have told me this before Iswitched the mac.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I'm like well, it is for the mac and it's universal,
really okay and that's the otherthing is, even if even if the
command isn't available on theoperating system, it'll
translate it.
So, for instance, you know itused to be DIR in the old DOS or

(47:12):
even Windows command prompt fora long time to show the
directory In Linux it's LS.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Did you listen to the episode of Unrenown thing yet?
No, of course not Literally theexample you're using using I
did live while we were talking,so as soon as I install it, the
first thing I typed in there wasls okay, and it showed me the
direction.
It's oh, okay, let me try dirt.
And I did dirt and it showed itto me again I'm like this is

(47:40):
great.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
You can do that in powershell now, though, too, so
you'd have to install it on anolder version of windows, but
yeah well, you're assuming I'mrunning a new version of windows
here?
Uh, I think you're running anew enough version of windows
that it will.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, uh no seven yeah, yeah, yeah seven power
show, all right fair enough.
Anyway, the point is it is iscool.
I like it.
It does a lot of the reallysort of simple basic things,
aside from the AI, which isobviously very cool, but it just

(48:15):
it does formatting when you'redumping commands out so you can
kind of more easily visualizethings.
I know for some of us that area little more visual, it's very
handy to have something that'snot just a black and white
terminal screen.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, I just sent you their pricing.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I'll check that out.
I would say we're going to havea link to Warp.
But honestly, guys, all you gotto do is go to warpdev and just
get it yourself or Google WarpTerminal and you'll find it.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
It was just nice to find this on Windows now,
especially since I have a newWindows PC.
I was very excited to installit on there and stop using
powershell, because powershellis clunky and the big problem
with powershell is microsoft hasdecided to hobble powershell by
default in windows 11, and youknow like running scripts in

(49:19):
powershell pain in the ass.
You have to change profiles,you have to do lots of things
and I don't have to worry aboutthat anymore yeah, that's very
cool.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, the having the built-in ai based help is
awesome that is a good use forai.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
It really is searching for commands and
telling you what to do and so onit.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
That is a good use for ai and it automatically,
like if it finds the commandyou're looking for, that you
tried to describe with regularenglish words, it'll stick it
into the command line showing itto you, but also you can hit
enter to actually run it soenter tab.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
You can map that like I have it mapped to tab on all
of mine, because you know,completing a command is that's
normal to me, so yeah, andthat's the other thing is it's
extremely customizable.
You can sign into your profile,so everything comes over.
It uses pod 3.7 okay,meaningless to me, but okay.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Okay, that's alright.
Alright, can I tie this into myGitHub too?
Then Sure, if you want.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Like I said, the warp drive kind of replaces a Git
repository for me for scriptsand everything else it's.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
it's actually kind of nice oh, I want to try
something here.
What do you try now?
Okay, okay, so it is limited toai relating to programming.
I asked.
I asked to give me some factsabout Thomas Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
It's limited, but that's fine.
Their training set andeverything else is what matters
there.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I'm not mad about that at all.
No, I'm not either.
That is absolutely appropriateto keep politics out of your
programming tools.
Yeah, I mean it would have beenfunny if it answered, but it
just said as a programmingassistant, I focus on helping

(51:43):
with programming-related queries.
Yeah, assistant I, I focus onhelping with programming related
queries.
Yeah, uh, jefferson'saccomplishments are outside the
scope of my assistants.
There you go.
Good, she's asking aboutzelansky.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
See what he really thinks uh, anyway, uh, good tool
, yeah, so what else you want totalk about?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
gene, um so gotta have some video game news.
Uh, one of the video games thatI play and I know ben has but
hasn't played is, uh, elite,dangerous.
And hey, hey, hey, I've startedit, you've've installed it
right.
Have you gone to tutorial?
No, okay, so you haven't playedit.

(52:29):
So in that game they justrolled out a major new free DLC,
essentially A huge update DLC.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, you know what that is right?
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
What is that Downloadable content?
So DLC usually is a paid thing,so it's when games have been
out for a while and then theyrelease a new expansion.
You blah, blah, blah for thegame.
It's usually called dlc, butthe um?
I guess expansion is anotherword that you could use, but

(53:05):
they just added a free one,which is huge, because the game
takes place Huge, huge Gametakes place in the real Milky
Way galaxy with its trillionstars that you can literally fly
to and explore, and it's a gameset a thousand years in the
future.

(53:25):
And there is an area that isbasically around Sol, around our
solar system, that is referredto as the bubble.
The bubble is essentially allthe inhabited worlds that are
within some proximity of salt.

(53:46):
Now that proximity is probably,I want to say, about 200 light
years, so it's a fairly largebubble.
But all the inhabited systems,or I shouldn't say most
inhabited systems vast majority,99 of them in that game are
within 200 light years of saltand that creates the bubble that

(54:10):
this game's been out for 10years.
Um, so for 10 years there's beenthis area of populated space
where there's a lot of thingsyou can do because npc is
populated, and then there's theoutside, the bubble area, which
there's no real separationboundary, it's just uninhabited

(54:32):
space where literally, you cango as far as you want, in any
direction and you won't hit anyinhabited worlds at all.
And there have been a couple ofsmall uh expansions of that,
like there's an area calledcolonia that is 20 000 light
years away, but that's thesecond biggest area of populated

(54:53):
space and that was done as,like a you know big in-gaming
event where there were missionsto bring materials and to
basically build out this, thisarea of space 20 000 light years
away.
Um, but they, this expansionthat just got released.
The thing that that is huge isthat they've just opened the

(55:16):
game up to colonization, whichmeans every single player in the
game, and now with resources,yeah, that you have to either
buy or mine or whatever, andsome money you can now.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
When you say buy, you mean buy in the game, not spend
real money on not real money,yeah, fake money, in-game money,
uh, but you can buy in-game.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
But basically it lets you place your own space
stations and colonizeuninhabited solar systems and uh
, you, basically it's, it's aland rush, it's a first come,
first serve, uh, you can grab orbuy rights to uh again, in game

(56:06):
money, not real money.
You could buy rights to a solarsystem that is within 15 light
years of any other currentlyalready inhabited lights uh
solar system and then, withinthat range, pick one that is
empty and then plop down andstart building a um, a space

(56:29):
station.
And if you built your firstspace station, you can then
start building land based orplanet based stations, uh
outposts or additional spacestations in that area.
And there's all kinds of youknow details like there's eight
or nine different types ofstations.
You can build uh, each onespecific to a particular type of

(56:54):
industry, or you can haveindustrial, scientific, military
, etc.
So there is now a solar systemthat is on the very edge of the
bubble, about 200 light yearsaway from Sol, in the direction

(57:15):
of the center of our galaxy thatis mine now that has such
things on it as as Ragnar's BarSpace Station.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Okay, and that means something to me.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
It has Reardon Mines.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Space Station.
Okay, now we're gettingsomewhere.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
So this is what you've been doing and
establishing.
I'm building galt.
Yes, oh, jesus christ, gene asa solar system.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Yep, okay, the cool thing is, this is in the game,
which means literally every oneof the hundreds of thousands of
players of this game can comeand visit this and make use of
the services and do all thisstuff.
So it is, uh, it is permanentlychanging the the locations in

(58:17):
the game from an uninhabitedsolar system with a handful of
planets to something that iscolonized, that has human
expansion and is built in a waythat I've chosen and named by me
.
Okay, cool, I think that's verycool.
It's.
It's.
I think it's a huge thing forthis game.

(58:40):
It's, frankly, something thatno other game that I've played
has ever done, and that's letyou change the game for everyone
else by your actions.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Okay, I don't see that as that innovative, though
We've had a lot of open worldgames that allow you to build
stuff and do stuff.
Fuck dude.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Minecraft has this uh , sort of right, you could, you
could.
I could see how somebody couldmake the argument for minecraft.
This is different though thisis.
This is really more like if.
If, in world of warcraft, youcould build your own dungeon,
like you could use the toolsthat the developers use to build

(59:26):
a dungeon and you could buildyour own dungeon.
Like you could use the toolsthat the developers use to build
a dungeon and you could buildyour own dungeon, and then other
people can come to that dungeonand, you know, explore it and
fight the bad guys.
It's, it's literally built and,incidentally, um, ragnar's bar
has, uh, very much a piratetheme around it.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Uh, it's got.
And, by the way, people who aregoing ragnar what the hell is
that?
That's ragnar, daniskill, as areference to atlas shrugged
characters from atlas shrugged.
So everything in this solarsystem will somehow have a
reference to atlas shrugged now,what if someone else comes to
the same solar system thatyou've already started

(01:00:10):
colonizing and build somethingthat they want to build?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
they can't because I've got the license for the
whole solar system so people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
So it's like land grab.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Now it is land grab absolutely, huh, okay, luckily
there's over a trillion solarsystems out there yeah, but some
are going to be more valuablethan others.
Oh, yeah, and I grabbed a nicevaluable one, I have uh four
different planets with rings andI the rings.
The the best part is they have,uh, three different types of

(01:00:42):
materials in the rings andgenerally you only have either
one or two in the solar system.
Mine has all three, so it's,but it's far from sol.
That's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
The one big negative about it, of course, is that
it's a long way from sol, butyou know you don't really have
to go sol yeah, and, by the way,um, they don't have a direct
repository, but if you go towarp and you click on it, there
is a discord server where peoplehave show and tell, tips and
tricks and a whole bunch ofother stuff.

(01:01:11):
I'll definitely check that out.
There you go.
I just found that while youwere talking about your video
game yeah, oh it's, it's, it'scool stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
And the fact that they made this free for the last
expansion they had that broughtcarriers where you went from
just having spaceships to beingable to build or buy a carrier
that could carry all your otherships on it and have tons of
cargo space.
That expansion, I think, was$35.
The fact that they did this forfree is like holy shit.

(01:01:48):
It's incredible.
Um, because this is a lot ofdevelopment work you gotta
imagine to do it now.
The benefit for the gamecompany is also huge because
they're effectively letting theplayer base create more content
for inside the game uh okay, Idon't.

(01:02:09):
I don't know why this is uh sobeneficial to them, especially
if well, it means they have tonot, or they don't have to
create new content themselves,because the players are doing it
.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
But you're not really creating new content.
Well you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
You are because in the past, the only time that
there have been expansions ofsystems built, it's essentially
there's been some kind of eventswhere like, okay, let's get all
the players to haul materialsfrom this station to this one
and then they magically, willyou know, take away the material
that was collected and thenplop out a new station in a

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solar system to kind ofeffectively role play that the
people actually did this.
Right now, game Company haszero involvement.
People are just going out andfiguring out where they want to
expand to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Do you get to design the space station or do you just
pick from preset designs?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
you do pick.
You don't fully design it fromscratch, but there's quite a few
options that you pick from andeach type of station that you
have or each type of landinstallation, uh, there are
roles that they play.
But they also affect the futuregrowth in terms of population,

(01:03:29):
the future, uh, financialstability of the system.
Like you know, if you set up awhole bunch of mining outposts
or mining stations, you're goingto be producing a lot of raw
materials.
Raw materials aren't worth asmuch as refined materials, so
you're financially not going tobe producing a lot of raw
materials.
Raw materials aren't worth asmuch as refined materials, so
you're financially not going tobe getting a huge amount of

(01:03:52):
money coming in, which meansyour cost of living is going to
be lower, or, you know, everyonewill have less money, so you're
not going to be as prosperous,which means you won't have
luxury goods available in thatsystem, and on and on and on.
But there's other tradeoffs forthat, because having raw
materials in your system issuper handy.

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Well, so kind of like whatwe're doing with Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Shocker.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
It's cool.
It's cool, I think, reallydangerous is probably.
It's the second space game thatI've played for many years.
The first one was eve online,which was some people refer to
it as um space spreadsheets, andI did very well on that one.
Why is it space spreadsheets?
Because to do it?

(01:04:47):
Because it's a game effectivelyabout space free market.
Yeah, it's all about utilizingany means necessary to make
money, from from mining toproduction to warfare, and it is

(01:05:08):
a very it's the game where Imean I did this.
I still have them in my GoogleDocs.
I have a whole ton of differentspreadsheets that track
different things in the game andit was jokingly referred to as
space spreadsheets for a longtime.
And then, about three years ago, there was a big announcement

(01:05:30):
at Microsoft that that Eve hasbecome the first game that has
native support for Excel and youcan, jesus Christ, data out of
the game and populate an Excelspreadsheet directly through
their APIs and Microsoft not thegame company, but Microsoft was

(01:05:52):
doing a big shindig about it,so it is kind of like if you're
using Excel to play a game, it'sno longer a game and you, you
just gotta stop well, you'reright about that, because when
my four thousand dollarspaceship got blown up in that
game, I lost four thousanddollars you did not have four

(01:06:15):
grand in the game I did I did.
Yeah, it was a.
It was one of the largestspaceships in the game back then
.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Uh and uh, it was worth you realize the insanity
of this to the normal personright well, I mean not really.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
What do you mean?
Insanity?
There's no insanity in it I, I,just I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I have never spent four,000 on any piece of
software, much less one that isin a game that can just get
blown up, and I lose that $4,000.
That is insane, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Well, I'll tell you what.
It certainly makes the feelingsyou feel in the game be a lot
more realistic, I guess.
So no, I was I.
You know, I had to stop playingthat game after that.
I mean, I still played it alittle bit, but I like the
bubble was burst.
I had realized that this youjust threw away four thousand

(01:07:21):
dollars.
I also got divorced of thatgame as well, but you know,
that's minor compared to losinga spaceship.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Wife Replaceable spaceship.
No Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
You know how hard it is to replace a $4,000 spaceship
.
You know how many.
That took me over two years$4,000 worth.
It took me over two years toget that together.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Oh my God, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
sorry, but I am going to laugh at you for this for a
very long time, dude yes, yeah,well, you, you probably, uh, you
probably think that there's arational reason for all your gun
purchases too I do there you goyeah, my gun purchases are

(01:08:07):
physical assets that's the thing.
so you think about physicalversus non-physical.
What is the utility of a gunother than during a defensive
maneuver like, okay, yes, gunsuseful for saving your life if
you're ever in that situationand God forbid, you are, and

(01:08:28):
most people are never in thatsituation, but we still buy guns
.
We can rationalize and say that, yeah, I need all these guns
for self-defense.
The reality is, I want most ofthese guns.
I can rationalize and saythey're for self-defense, but
realistically, I enjoy shootingthem.
I like having a whole bunch ofguns that I can go to the range

(01:08:53):
with and have fun.
So what are you buying whenyou're buying that P90?
You're buying fun.
You're buying endorphins.
You're buying enjoyment, whichis literally exactly the same
thing that you're buying in avideo game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Okay, I think of it differently because I think
again I can sell.
I can sell my guns for cash, ifneed be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Sure, they're fungible.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah To a much broader market.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
yeah, then it would ever exist for a spaceship if,
theoretically, I could sell, youknow, an account with a bunch
of in-game loot and currency init and stuff that people do,
that I've had friends do that.
I've never done that, um, so Istill have all the game accounts

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I've had.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I mean, this just sounds to me like what people
did with world of warcraft andselling shit and oh, it's now a
fungible yada, yada, yada yadathing and people making money by
, you know, building up awarcraft account and then
selling it on ebay and somepeople yeah, I know people that

(01:10:13):
have done that, so it I I'vejust never done that, but I know
that that certainly does existI, I just I think it's silly,
but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Okay, I think that anything that you do for a hobby
, anything you do because itbrings you pleasure, is in the
same bucket.
I don't care if it's sendingmoney to a OnlyFans check or

(01:10:47):
buying video games or I thinkthe OnlyFans check is just as
useless.
They're all useless, ben,they're all useless.
The golf clubs are just asuseless.
These are all implements ofendorphin.
These are ways for you to feelgood about yourself and
potentially bad about yourself.

(01:11:08):
That's which is why I gave upgolf I refuse to keep doing
things that make me feel bad.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
But uh, you got me there, you got me uh-huh, but uh
so that's why the recumbentbike got sold it's all in the
it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
The recumbent bike was actually not bad.
I I enjoyed, honestly, havingeverybody starting with adam, uh
, literally the first week Ibought that thing, give you shit
, making fun of it and saying,oh, you bought a wheelchair.
Geez, gene, didn't think youwere in that bad shape.
Like, literally a week after I,I spend five, what was it?

(01:11:51):
I think it was 4800 bucks.
I was made in australia and I'mgetting shit for it.
It's like, oh, come on.
And and, by the way, adam curryat that time was writing a
replica of, uh, uh, of theamsterdam bikes, which is to say
, a chick bike with the diagonalbars in it and a basket in the

(01:12:14):
front, in front of thehandlebars.
That's what he was writing.
So him giving me shit is yeah,not uh, you know what, like
people in glass houses.
So I think all of these thingsthat you do for fun, all these
things you do for enjoyment.
Same thing with buying movies.

(01:12:35):
You know we've been paying fora variety like way too many
services.
I just canceled uh, uh, what isit?
The penguin or the peacock?
I just canceled peacock, whichI got in order to watch
community because that wasavailable on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
On peacock, um I'm still at the end of season five
right now okay, have you gottento the episode where they're
doing gi joe?
Yes, yes, that was that crazy,very retro for me it was
insanely retro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
It was back to my childhood.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Retro, yeah well, I watched gi joe as a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Well, I tried not to, but I mean like the ads for the
toys that they included in thevideo yeah, yeah my childhood
yeah, yeah, it was definitelyplaying to uh you more than me,
yeah yeah, yeah.
Well, you're getting close toalmost being fully done on that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
All right.
What else we got other than thebig meltdown, and well are you
watching some stupid game?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Are you been watching that as well, right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I watched Archer when it was out, but yeah, I've
watched a few episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Okay, well, let me know if you officially want to
do it or not, because I I dowant to watch, uh, miami vice,
because it's been a long timesince I've watched that show.
I think I might have watchedwell, I certainly watched it
every episode when I was onoriginally, and I may have
watched like one season andreruns, but I haven't seen the
whole thing in reruns and uh,everybody is so damn young in

(01:14:07):
that show because, you know, allthese actors have gone on to do
other things, so you didn't oneof the actors die?
I, I think so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what?
Uh?
Who was the?
Uh, the guy that was atbattlestar galactica, right?
Oh, yeah, I think it's the guythat was on battlestar, wasn't
it?
Yeah, I think it's the guy thatwas in Battlestar wasn't it who
was on Battlestar Galactica,adama?

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I didn't know, he was in Miami Vice.
Oh, yeah, he was the boss ofthe two main characters.
He was like the.
I guess what would be EdwardJames Olmos.
Yeah, that guy, he died right.
I was just thinking of theother actor that died recently.

(01:14:54):
No, he's still alive which one.
What's his name?
Um uh, gene hackman, there wego, yeah oh yeah, gene hackman,
carbon monoxide poisoning ittotally natural death him, his

(01:15:17):
wife and his dog I mean it'sunfortunate dog will be missed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I like gene hackman, I do too.
He was.
He was uh I I said on the othershow I do, uh, under hunting,
uh that show that he was anunderrated character in my
opinion.
I think he had great comedictiming.
And uh, in what show in he, asan actor, had great comedic
timing, like when he's donecomedies.

(01:15:44):
He was really good at them, buthe was not really used in
comedies.
He was using a lot of dramas.
Yeah, he was a fairly seriousactor.
Yeah, um uh.
I'm looking at everyone who'snow dead out of Miami vice.
There's about 20 people.
Um G Gordon Liddy who's inMiami vice.

(01:16:09):
G Gordon L liddy was in miamivice.
Yeah, he was captain.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Uh, william maynard that's ironic um uh, yeah, I
remember listening to his radioshow with my dad yeah, yeah how
did g?

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
gordon liddy come to fame gene uh well, he was one of
the people sentenced inwatergate yeah, he was one of
the actual people who broke induring watergate for nixon yeah,
uh, allegedly so, but he was aninteresting guy.
I used to watch his tv showback in the day.
Um, james brown is dead.

(01:17:01):
He was on miami vice.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Um, yeah most of these are people I don't really
know.
So, uh, what do you think ofdan bongino?
I think he got appointed, uh,since we last talked, so dan is
now the assistant director ofthe fbi, and the man I you know

(01:17:23):
I'm kind of ambivalent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I've never been a big fan of his, but mostly because
I think he talks with a weirdaccent.
Um, he's all right.
I he seems to be a decent guy.
He's in secret service, whichin my experience secret service
guys back when I interacted withthem, tended to be very, very,

(01:17:48):
uh, patriotic and kind of blackand white, like there was
definitely a lot more corruptionpotential with the fbi than the
secret service, and they wereall shockingly the same fucking
height, which was always weird.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
I think what Dan has said very publicly about the FBI
and what his plans are for ituh really gives me a lot of hope
that, um, this is gonna.
I think there's a very goodchance that we're burning it all
down and we can start over.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
And that makes me happy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, I and that's a good point is I think there's a
very good chance that we'reburning it all down and we can
start over, and that makes mehappy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Yeah, I and that's a good point is, I think the name
is definitely going to stickaround.
Like the people may getreplaced, but I don't think the
name of FBI is going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
I agreed, Just like I don't think the ATF is
necessarily going to go anywhere.
What I think is going to happen.
Well, I think you could pare itdown to essentially all the all
the normal legitimate lawenforcement functions in the ATF
, like the arson stuff and allthat.
Move that into the FBI and havethe ATF do nothing but approve

(01:19:08):
tax stamps If we can't get ridof the NFA.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Or you can just take the F out of the ATF and just
have them focus on alcohol andtobacco.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Or we can not tax.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
You know things like that, alcohol and tobacco.
I'm actually I've always beentotally okay with taxing things
like that that are just, youknow, useless um drug and
alcohol.
Morality morality police.
I'm totally okay with that.
I'm okay with taxing sugar, forthat matter.
I think that things that haveno beneficial value, but

(01:19:49):
certainly people are free to usethem, that should be taxed, and
I think that is a great sourceof revenue, and I think Trump
agrees with this, incidentally,that taxing vices is the
appropriate location for taxes,taxing essentials should be

(01:20:15):
avoided as much as possible.
Okay, why do you disagree?
Sounds like you disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I just I think taxing anything is.
I do not like taxes in generaland I do not take taxes that are
focused on things that I like Iwant because of someone else's
morality.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Okay, Well, I mean that's fine, but if we're going
to have taxes, would you ratherwe're gonna have taxes?
Would you rather have taxes onfood or would you rather have
taxes on tobacco?

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
I would rather have tariffs on things brought in and
call it good, and I consume alot of foreign goods, so would
you rather have a lot of the?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
hold on like a lot of the tobacco that I consume is
imported, so yeah, cool okay, soyou just want to fool yourself
into thinking that the reasonthat you're paying more is
because tariff and not a tax.
That's fine, you could do thatoh, tariffs are taxes, but I
don't know that it will, so it I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I disagree that a tariff is a tax on the end user.
A tariff is a tax on someonewho is producing something.
It is not a tariff on the enduser.
Now people will argue well, butif you tax the development of
XYZ good, it will increase thecost of XYZ.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
There's a phrase for that, called difference without
distinction.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
No, no, no, no Maybe.
But it also depends on themarket.
If there are marketalternatives inside the US, yeah
, that's a good point that arejust as valid If you have a
reasonable market alternative tothat imported good Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
The imported good cannot charge more than the
reasonable domestically createdproduct because, they don't have
the tariff so the problem withthat and I'm I'm, incidentally,
I am for using tariffs, uh, liketrump is for leverage,
absolutely.
But I think the problem with itthat arises that tariffs

(01:22:21):
absolutely can be a replacementfor taxes by a government.
Uh, you can, you can say, well,we're going to tax foreign
let's say foreign automobilesare taxed, domestic automobiles
are not right.
So then it seems like, well,this is not really a tax,

(01:22:41):
because you have the alternativeof getting the us manufactured
automobiles without that tariffbeing in place.
Agreed, okay, so that's fine.
However, what ends up happeningin most governments that I've
seen relating to tariffs is thatthey realize that, okay, well,

(01:23:02):
this sucks, we're not gettingany money from domestic cars.
How do we get money from themas well?
Oh, I know, let's starttariffing the materials that
they use for domestic carmanufacturing so that we get
money from them as well.
And then what you end up withis you know essentially what
Ford said recently, which is, ifthe Trump tariffs kick in,

(01:23:28):
ford's cost on parts will riseby about 26%, okay, which means
the price of cars is going to goup.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
That, or we start making simpler cars, which?
Is what we should be doinganyway.
Yeah, yeah be doing anyway,yeah, yeah, the reason why cars
have become so expensive overthe last couple of decades is
because of all the stupidfeatures we pump into them that
we don't need, like you don'tneed remote start on your

(01:24:00):
vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
It's a bad idea, you don't need to smoke tobacco.
You're using the exact sameargument here you don't need
remote start.
Well, I need it, but I I wantit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
I want options without it is my point.
Like I want the 15 000 toyotahylux truck that isn't allowed
in the us right now.
Right like I want these things,I want simpler alternatives if
you want to spend the money andhave that remote start, you go
do it.
I don't want the telematicsystem in my vehicle tied in to
a cellular connection.

(01:24:29):
I think it's a stupid idea.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Well, that's the law now.
They can't not do it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
That was anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Obama air law.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Yeah, and that'll be cut Hopefully it's done.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Executive order that was passed in Congress, man.
It can still be not enforced,and lots of other things I mean,
I wish I wish that was the case, because right now any modern
car can be remotely turned off,yes, which is a fucking problem.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Well, you say that, but that's because you don't
work for the fbi uh, okay, youwork for the cia, I do not work
for the cia, thank you, I am notcatholic exactly what a cia
agent would say oh jesus christ.
No, anyway, uh, did you.

(01:25:23):
Did you see trump'sconversation earlier this week
with kirstenmer?
I saw about 10 minutes where heliterally said you think you
could beat russia without us?
And I saw that the look onstormer's face was just oh, my
fucking god, what's he gonna?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
do.
None of them can do jack shitwithout america, but they all
want to pretend.
That's why you heard zelenskysaying the word partner and you
heard all these guys keep usingthe word partner.
The united states is not apartner.
The united states is the 900pound gorilla that stands in a
group of humans and they allwant to pretend like we're all

(01:26:03):
partners.
You're not partners.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
We're just using your country to station our troops
well, if we do pull out ofeurope, dude, can you imagine
the economic collapse that isgoing to happen when billions of
dollars leaves the alreadyfragile economies of germany,
france and potentially the uk?
Uh, so I, I, posted and wecould even bring in the uk into

(01:26:31):
uh nafta.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Well, I think we having economic based uh
affiliations that is much morepreferable, in my opinion, than
military based ones right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
But my point is I I think with with brexit, with the
uk floundering on trade deals,if we just brought them into the
nafta agreements and kind ofimposed our will on them in that
way and saying, hey, you'regoing to agree to what mexico
and canada did and we're goingto work together, we're going to
help you out here, uk uh, thatwould be a huge step for the uk

(01:27:11):
yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
I think it's a uh, definitely something that could
happen.
Um uk has got so many problemsright now, though, that they
have to deal with themselves.
They're they're arrestingpeople for saying incorrect
words Years later even Yearslater.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like one guy literally got
arrested recently for a post.
He made a meme post four yearsback and you know, even if you
agree with, hey, you shouldn'tbe saying stuff.
Well, this was said before anyof that agreement was made.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Yeah, well, it's the same idea as defacing Civil War
monuments or taking them downcompletely because in current
liberal viewpoint, they want tohave things that they don't like
just not exist.
Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, so I wasgoing to say so.

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I posted basically fuckZelensky or no, fuck the EU.
I said to quote Victoria Nuland, fuck the EU.
And the said to quote VictoriaNewland, fuck the EU and the
Zelensky that they wrote it on,and then hashtag America first,
and I had a bunch of likes tothat post, and then I had one
person reply back with hashtagTrump's Russian asset.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Which, oh my god, why are they back on this again?
They?

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
they can't get off it .
They don't.
They have no plan b, they havezero other thoughts other than
this, and in their mind it'sit's like the world against
russia, and anyone who is notwith them against Russia must
clearly be a Russian asset.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
So if we play this out to its logical end, we're
going to end up with three,maybe four, hegemons right as we
go to this multipolar world.
Yeah, russia, china, europe,the US yeah, Although Europe is
questionable.
That's where I said three,maybe four, because I agree with
you Europe is very questionable, especially when we talk about

(01:29:32):
it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
They have no resources whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Their resources are largely exhausted.
Their economies are failing.
If the US decides not toprotect Europe, they will
devolve back to war, like theywere doing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
They have the most socialist economies of the
planet, right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
now Right.
Economies of the planet rightnow right.
But europe wasn't war-torn foras long as it's existed, up
until the bretton woodsagreement and the liberal world
order imposed its will.
Yep, um.
I think china is a non-starterbecause I think they're an evil

(01:30:07):
country.
I don't think there's any wayfor the US to play nice with
China without getting stabbed inthe back.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
I didn't read that one, but let's just keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
All right, I've said for a long time, and I don't
think Russia is as free as weare today.
But I've said for a long time,I think Russia and the US are
two ships passing in the night.
They are becoming more free, weare becoming less free.
Yes, I think that the Trumpadministration has got a good

(01:30:33):
start on correcting our course.
I hope Russia continues tobecome more and more free, but
that remains to be seen.
But it is a better alliancethan it would be with Europe,
and it's a better alliance thanit would be with europe and it's
a better alliance than it wouldbe with china why, are we

(01:30:55):
ignoring this?

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
yeah, because there's still a bunch of people that
are stuck in the cold war era,thinking that are involved in
politics.
That's like lindsey graham.
That's the only reason we'restill stuck in.
That is because that they'veand they've done a damn good job
of just using this paintbrushto keep saying putin bad, putin

(01:31:20):
bad, so that the same peoplethat want the two-state solution
in israel and are chanting fromthe river to the sea in
colleges are also still sayingPutin bad, putin bad.
It's like guys, at least beconsistent.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Well, I think it is very.
It's going to be veryinteresting and telling to see
what happens, I think, if wepull out of Ukraine.
One of the things you pointedout to me yesterday is, if we do
that and Russia decides to putpressure on Iran, the the whole,
the whole Gaza Vegas idea thatTrump has, is it happened, then

(01:32:07):
plausible?
Because if Russia puts enoughpressure on Iran, they'd back
off they got.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Russia is fully capable of putting pressure on
Iran, given that Iran, thatRussia, is Iran's largest trade
partner right now.
They can totally put pressureon them to make a formal
announcement saying that Iran isgoing to create a place for all
of the displaced Palestinians.

(01:32:34):
They can even still say Israelbad, but all they have to do is
essentially say publicly notlike behind hidden doors, but
publicly say Iran will take allthese Palestinians and give them
you know what.
Clearly they're not gettingfrom Egypt, because Egypt should
be seen as a bad guy in this,because Egypt is literally next

(01:32:57):
door and all they got to do isknock down the wall between Gaza
and Egypt, which is a biggerwall than Israel has and has way
fewer people going through it.
Just say look, if you lived ingaza, just move to egypt and
you'll you'll live a happy, safelife.
They don't want to do that.
Obviously iran could.

(01:33:18):
No, that's what I mean.
Egypt doesn't want that, butiran, if they just make that
announcement, it you'd be hardto then argue again.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
For Ron token, quite a bit of the uh Palestinians.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Well, they took in some, not as much as they could
have.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Yeah, but you, you get my, you get my point there.
They're very capable of doingthat.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Absolutely.
But even even like Jordan tookin I think a thousand, um took
in I think a thousand.
If we haven't been fighting inSyria with all this bullshit, if
Assad would have just finishedoff the opposition there, then
likely we could have sent thePalestinians there as well.

(01:34:05):
But we fucked up Syria.
So now we've got Taliban or notTaliban.
We have a ISIS in there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
So, yeah, all I can say is again I'm not a sycophant
.
I think what Trump did withAssad and Syria is wrong,
shouldn't have you know, sentthe the the Tomahawks and
shouldn't have supported him inthe beginning, or shouldn't have
supported the rebels in thebeginning.

(01:34:35):
But what has happened since isthe real travesty there.
So anyway, things are changing.
I think Assad could potentiallyend up back in Syria at some
point.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
He could end up back in Syria.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
And now that his wife's divorced him, you know he
can move on.
Yeah, which like what a, b?

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
you know, Like how Are you calling his wife a woman
on man?

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
I am.
You know what man that's sonyby?

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
it is so stand by your man.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
That's a myth, yeah, yeah, it is so hard not to look
at modern women and how theyhandle themselves and not hate
women, yeah and I I try very,very hard, because I still have
some hope and believe I haven'tI haven't been totally crushed
women yeah probably yeah so Ithink there's a potential here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
I mean, that's the one sort of silver lining around
this behavior that we saw fromzelensky.
Is that, uh, I think it maymake um putin more amicable.
It effectively softened him upa little bit in his
conversations with trump to totry and create some kind of you

(01:36:10):
know, better relationship.
Not that he's opposed to abetter, he wants a better
relationship, obviously.
But what I mean by that is ifthere's some sort of a yeah,
very good.
If there's some sort of aobvious split between Ukraine
and the U S, that I think Putincan be more friendly to the U?

(01:36:31):
S in the rest of the world, ina lot of other things that
Russia is doing or involved in.
So I think that's a good thingand I agree with you.
I think that the opportunitythat was completely missed by
Bill Clinton was in establishinga strong partnership with

(01:36:55):
Russia at a point where Russiacould not really do anything
else, where the country had justfallen apart out of the USSR
and then start doing deals forthings like resources in Siberia
, and instead all that happenedwas they let American companies

(01:37:18):
go in and stick a McDonald's inevery other block.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
It's not just that you could have not Weapons
manufacturing maybe wouldn'thave gotten the boost and kept
the boost that it had, but therest of the portions of the
economy would have doneextremely well with those
resources.
Russia has a lot of resourcesthey can't utilize.

(01:37:44):
They don't have the industrialbase to do it.
Most of their oil withoutWestern influence and help they
can't utilize.
They don't have the industrialbase to do it.
Most of their oil withoutwestern influence and help they
can't get out.
So I, I agree and you know justturn your once enemy into your
greatest ally and friend, likewe did with japan exactly I was
going to point to japan.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
It's like what do you do after you win a war with
somebody?
Well, you have a few options.
You can obliterate them so thatthere's nothing there but empty
sand, and that's happened in alot of countries in the past.
You can uh, become a friend,like we did with japan, and a
mentor and effectively preventthem from fucking you over for

(01:38:26):
the next 50 years or longer.
But that involves somecommitment on your part, both
financial and personnel.
You can, you know, create avassal state, which I guess
Japan is in some way.
But other places are more sothan Japan.
Other places are more so thanJapan, but you know, simply,

(01:39:03):
what we did with Russia, I think, is closest to basically
letting your lords of yourcountry just go and ramshackle
and just pillage and steal, andthat has short-term benefits.
I don't want to negate thosebenefits, like you're totally
capable of getting something outof it, but it's not going to be
long-term.
Oh, that's a funny cartoon.
You just sent me a cartoonmeeting with Zaborski wearing
the woke person head and theJamie Vance with the what.

(01:39:31):
What is that character?

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
called the, I don't know, just the, the based.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Yeah, the base guy the base guy, kind of the alpha
dude, and what's, what's trump's?
What is that supposed to be?
What's on trump's face?
He's the more nordic alpha dudeis all okay I see I see so
bottom line is, if you look atthe composure with the arms
crossed and like leaning uh back, like that, that that's he did

(01:40:01):
the mean antagonistic,antagonistic, and yeah, I said
and antagonistic, antagonistic,there you go it's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
It's just funny because he did the meme and he
told me cool, yeah, yeah yeah,and then, of course, you got one
of putin eating popcorn.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Yeah, yeah, uh, a fun fact the first time I ever had
popcorn in my life ever was incrimea uh, okay, cool remember
that when I saw that picture ofpopcorn, uh-huh remember the
first time I had popcorn.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
I'd never had it before then okay, I I don't
remember the first time I hadpopcorn well, you were probably
really young when you had I.
I was like six uh, this is, uh,this is how poor you were
probably really young when youhad it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
I was like six.
This is how poor you were inRussia.
Huh yeah, we couldn't evenafford popcorn, man.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Come on now you come from an oligarch family.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Let's be honest, Whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
I mean, y'all had land right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
No, we didn't have land Hell, no, well, we had a
little bit of land, but not notreally oligarch.
Oh, we had the kind of landthat you have an outhouse on,
like no indoor plumbing.
That's the kind of land we had.
A total oligarch got it.
Yeah, total oligarch, exactlynow, pre-russian revolution.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
That's a different story now I I love how people
are posting all the old videosof zolinski dancing and doing
stupid stuff and playing thepiano with this penis, and so on
same guy, yep, same guy that isnow talking to trump in the
local office.
You're our partner and, youknow, one of the conversations I

(01:41:50):
had, you know, was well, theyhave a right to do this, they
have a right to do that, and Isaid, no, they don't.
They're a vassal state.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Yeah, you know, and it wasn't trump that made them
that way, it was obama, yeah,and trying to remind people of
that, but yeah, yeah, and youcould even argue and I I'm not
going to push back if you saythat they were a vassal state of
russia and then they flippedand became a vassal state of the
united states, well, that makessense, because they were never

(01:42:17):
a fucking country, it wasliterally just a western part.
It's like if california duringthe, the great fall of amer
America that broke the countryapart, if California had become
an independent country.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Which can we leave them?

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Yeah, and then China sent in some free goods to them
and they're like yeah, we're nowgoing to join the Chinese
military cooperative.
How would the part that used tobe, uh, america before it fell
apart, feel about that?

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
well, here's the thing we might let san diego and
la go, but western california,that's actually pretty based.
We would probably be, you know,a little upset about it I mean
I mean eastern californiaeastern california, sorry, yeah,
I yeah.
Well, san diego's also got alittle upset about it.
What do you mean?
Western California, easternCalifornia, sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Well, san Diego's also got three military bases
there, and they're the mostconservative of all of
California.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Okay, so anyway, my point is, there would be parts
of California we would saybye-bye okay with.
San Francisco, sorry, jcd andother parts, we wouldn't I would
let the whole thing go, fuck it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
They can't grow anything without the vanna water
.
The whole damn place is useless.
Now the vanna I woulddefinitely keep uh why?
Well, it's um, you know, it'sgot the good land for military
bases and it's got a very good,uh, marketing sales force and

(01:43:59):
all the mormons that live there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
So I, yeah, yeah what is it with the jews and the
mountain jews getting along sowell?
My god you've never heard thatterm before.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
I have heard it, just not from you.
You're like a doubleanti-Semite here.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Ah, you admit it, you admit it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Ah, too funny, Too funny.
No, I've said this before.
I've never like there's so manystereotypes about Mormons.
I've experienced the positive,Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum.
I've only experienced thepositive, Like I've only
experienced the positive aspectsof interacting uh, interacting
with Mormons.
I've never, uh, never dealtwith any of the negatives.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
I've had both.
Like I said, I grew up when Iwas in Idaho, uh, my boy scout
trip was at a Mormon church.
Right, I have friends that areMormons, but you know how many
moms did they have?
All of them were weremonogamous families.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Let's pretend, yes, and frankly, why do we need to
pretend anyway, right?
What is wrong with polygamy?

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
There's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
It solves the biggest problem that you have in the
marriage, which is having thewoman be bitching at you all the
time.
She could be bitching to herother sister wife instead.
Yeah, the more free time forthe dude to go do important
things like play video games.
Honestly, I think that thewhole idea of of like a man only

(01:45:46):
having one wife was created bypeople that are so insecure that
they think that they can barelyhold on to one, and god forbid
they had somebody that wasallowed to have two.
That person would steal theirwife all right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Well, I, I don't dude , I don't, I wouldn't I wouldn't
want to deal with more than one, I just but the whole point is
to give up.
It's kind of like getting yeahuntil they sync up dude, and
then you're just screwed it'skind of like getting a uh, a pet
cat.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Right, yes, the cat can ignore you and you could do
all these things by itself.
But if you get two pet cats,you'll hardly ever see them
because they're going to bedoing cat things together or
even fighting with each other.
But either way, they'll leaveyou alone, other than when you
need to feed them.
For the most part, they'll justavoid you.

(01:46:45):
So it's the same thing withwives.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
I think, now that we're talking about bigamy, we
have officially run out oftopics.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
You think, yeah, I, I recommend anybody that thinks
that that polygamy is a uh, abad thing.
Watch the old hbo show big love, uh, with bill paxton.
I think he was in that.
Uh, that came out probably oh,18, 20 years ago at this point.

(01:47:16):
I watched it when I was firstrunning.
Uh, I thought it was very welldone and it it showed a modern,
uh, polygamist, uh, mormonfamily in a very not not really
a positive light, but in thevery sort of, you know,
normalized light, like, like,there's, it's not a weird thing.

(01:47:39):
They're not weird likepedophiles and trying to, you
know, marry women at 14 or anybullshit like that.
Okay, it was just like.
You know, a successful dude whoowns a hardware store happens
to be a mormon, that believesstill in the uh, joe smith's uh

(01:47:59):
commandments and, um, he happensto have three wives, but other
than that, he's totally normalguy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Okay, I think it's weird, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Well, it's weird because we're not used to it,
right?
We're not like we didn't growup in that it seems weird.
But I, I, really I think, ifyou start looking back at a
human civilization, sure it wasthe norm.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
I gotcha, it was the norm.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
I gotcha.
It's the norm, exactly, and ina lot of Islam today it is the
norm.
Best religion in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not an Andrew Tatefollower, so I don't know what
to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Well, it's hard not to be when he posts so much
Jesus, a lot of posts by Tatefollower, so I don't know what
to tell you.
Well, it's hard not to be whenhe posts so much Jesus, a lot of
posts by Tate I mean in hisethics.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
So you're not like a follower in the sense of like
your big advocate of Andrew Tate, correct, yeah, I agree with
you.
I think he's funny.
I think he throws some goodmemes out there.
Yeah, but the guy is clearlysleazy.
That that's pretty obvious fromyou know 10 minutes of
listening to him.
Yeah, but just because he'ssleazy, I I think it's still

(01:49:22):
worthwhile to check out hismemes because they are funny oh
he, he.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
And he makes good points occasionally.
No, no doubt about that.
Don't disagree that.
He is a pimp there it's like,and he's a smart pimp, he's a
successful pimp, he is asuccessful pimp, absolutely that
doesn't mean, you know, I thinkmuch of it yeah, yeah, like you
don't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
You don't have to like him.
There are plenty of people thathave made money in even more or
less, less or more in otherways, which I would not want to
make money than him, and I don'tthink he's really like

(01:50:05):
pretending that he's not a pimp.
I think it's pretty obvious tothat he's not a pimp.
I think it's pretty obvious toeverybody he is a pimp.
Yeah, so, and I've, I've metpimps before, I've done business
with pimps before.
It's not what you think I'msure you have.
I mean, like you know, sellingcompanies to him and things like
that yeah, uh-huh uh-huh,uh-huh, yeah, but again the

(01:50:34):
thing that to me is so funny iswhen he decided to become a
Muslim, because I think helatched down to this idea that,
hey, being a pimp in the Muslimreligion is totally kosher.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
It's actually basically a priest, because
you're temporarily marrying.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Yeah, yeah, so he.
You know I, I get it why a lotof people don't like him.
I don't love him, but I dothink that he is funny and he is
good at prodding the wrongpeople the right way.
Like I think the people thathate him the most are the people

(01:51:14):
that are the most fucked in thehead, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
So it's all the B2 movement people.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Yeah, I get it, but he's also got problems.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Oh yeah, he's a pimp.
He likes his flashy lifestyle,but again, it's fairly out in
the open, whereas guys likeBiden's son are doing all the
same stuff and worse.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
but worse yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
And arguably the reason that Biden's son is doing
all this stuff and the reasonBiden's daughter is the way she
is is because Biden was apedophile.
Agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
So you know, in all likelihood agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Yeah, we don't know, but it it seems like that's a
likely scenario, but hopefullyAndrew Tate is not.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
He likes to smell kids.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Andrew Tate, I think, has gone on record multiple
times saying that, yeah,underage is absolutely evil and
people that do it ought to bethrown into woodchuckers yeah,
and we can talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Okay, go ahead.
I mean just, you know what is a?

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
what is?

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
age?
Yeah, because I think thatvaries culturally and everything
else absolutely, and I it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
I think the Vatican just raised their age a few
years back, from 9 to 12.
Ugh, that's sick.
Muhammad's wife Aisha she was13 when they consummated the
marriage, but I think she was 9or 10 when they got married when
they consummated the marriage,but I think she was nine or ten
when they got married.
You know, I think there's apractical reasonableness test

(01:53:17):
that has to be applied, like isthis relationship reasonable or
not?
And something that may bereasonable for two 13-year-olds
becomes unreasonable for a13-year-old and 29-year-old.
Would you agree with that?

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
I think that there's lots of things I I just I don't
know man.
I think it's absolutely absurdwhere we're at in our society,
in our lives we're at in oursociety and our lives.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Well, it's absurd that it seems to be more normal
to castrate children becausethey don't want to play with a
fire truck and instead want toplay with a Barbie, and at the
same time, say that somebodywho's a 20-year-old sleeping
with a 17-year old is guilty ofpedophilia I, okay, I that I can

(01:54:15):
agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
There is a difference there, but and there's a
maturity difference.
There's lots of things there,but we're not going to solve
that on this one.
No, that just sounds like.
Did you see the meme of?
Uh you, you've watched seinfeld, right, and the episode where
george stands, storms out of themeeting or whatever, and

(01:54:38):
seinfeld?
Yeah, he says oh, you can goback, you can just go back,
it'll never happen.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah zelinski what do you think he's
gonna go, go back.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
I think he's going to try.
Oh man, I mean they are.
According to the, you knowHindustan Times, there is a
impeachment movement against him.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
The US media isn't reporting it.
Hindustan Times is like the oldworld news newspapers that used
to be sold, you know, in stores.
It's basically justsensationalist journalism, so
they'll put all kinds of stuffup.
I watch it occasionally.

(01:55:23):
That's why I know this, becauseit's like, oh my god, I can't
believe they have that runningthey have a 24 hour live stream
on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
Good for them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Anything else we need to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
No, let's wrap up.
I think we're good to go.
You know, I'm just.
It's been a fun week.
It's been a week where I wasproving right about the the
non-release of the Epstein files.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Well, we did get some files.
And it is literally.
The binder was literallylabeled, you know, volume one or
phase one or whatever.
So I think more is coming.
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
But hopefully Pam Bandy learned a lesson about
putting out statements like Ihave it sitting on my desk when
that's clearly bullshit.
And she didn't yeah, well youknow, you have to learn hard
lessons sometimes because if youdon't, they will only get worse
over time, and that's that'ssomething to learn.
Remember people always are intheir best behavior in the first

(01:56:27):
couple of months of their job.
The longer they're at their job,the less you expect good
behavior from them okay that'swhy you got to fire people every
two months, yeah well, maybe wewon't talk to you next week,
then, gene well, maybe that'sthat's a good point.
I get a lot more positivemessages coming into me on

(01:56:48):
youtube than I do on this show,that's for sure.
Yeah Well, by the way, I don'tknow if there's been any new
people or not, but just to sayit before we log off, thanks to
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We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
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Thank you for the support,thanks for everybody who shares
this and gets it out to newlisteners.
Yeah, If more people would dothat, we'd be better off.

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One thing that literallyeverybody can do is share the
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