112 Just Two Good Old Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Howdy Ben.
How are you today?
I'm doing good, Gene.
We are recording on a Mondayevening, of all things.
Why do you always?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
say that I don't understand why you have to
explain how the sausage is madeevery time there's a slight
delay.
Well, no one knows this.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, well, you know.
Csb likes sausage.
That's all I know.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Okay, well, you're clearly doing it for CSB and his
bratwurst.
Uh yeah.
Actually, what is the Polishsausage called?
It's not called bratwurst, it'sGerman sausage.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I think it's just called Polish sausage.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's what she said.
Anyway, we've got stuffhappening all over the place
here.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh dude.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Where do you want to start?
Up to you.
Okay, I think I know whereyou're going to start.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
That's a thing.
It's not widely reported,incidentally, which I'm kind of
surprised by.
I figured there would be a lotof reports of that, but no, you
have to kind of look mostlyoutside of us news outlets to
find stories about the fact thatthere was an assassination
attempt on putin a day afterzelensky said that putin's gonna

(01:15):
die soon yeah, in.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
So zelensky did say that, but he said it in the
context of putin's age ofputin's what age?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
oh, I'm sure that's what he meant.
Yeah, yeah, clearly.
I think he said that literallyevery single day he says that
maybe it's a little prayer and,um, you know, I'm sure the last
thing that zelensky wants is forputin to die of old age well,
so I my immediate reaction wasokay, I heard zelinski say that.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
And then this car blows up.
How effing stupid of zelinski.
He's about to get himselfassassinated, yeah, but I don't
know.
I went back and re-listened tothat clip of what zelinski
actually said and, man you know,it could be him talking out of
turn.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It could be him being a dumbass, you mean kind of
like bush was talking out ofturn.
We said that if they think thatpipeline's gonna stay open,
they'll see uh, kind of turnlike that yeah, yeah total
coincidence.
Yeah, I look.

(02:30):
I I don't know what caused thecar to blow up bad muffler maybe
I don't know.
But uh, the bottom line is wedid have an explosion of one of
the cars from the presidentialmotorcade of putin blow up.
Um, they the newspapers arereporting that there were no

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injuries.
That means it was parked, itwasn't like being driven by
anybody.
But also the video that I'veseen of the car post-explosion
burning up, I mean it's wellbeyond totaled.
It's like the the front of thecar is still there, the little
bit of the back is there, butthe whole passenger

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compartment's gone well it, andmy understanding is it it was
one of several presidentiallimousines that they have so
it's not like this was his onlyvehicle and yada, yada, it's
possible that they got the wrongone.
You know, there's lots of thingshere that stand as possible

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well, remember somebody I'm sure, clearly not ukrainians uh blew
up a car that was driven by uh,one of the russian political
philosophers is how theydescribe him.
Um god, I'm forgetting his nameyeah his daughter died.
Yeah, his daughter died.
Yeah, exactly so they thoughtit was going to be him.
They blew up the car, turnedout his daughter was in the car,

(03:57):
not him.
Uh, dugan, I think, was hislast name yeah, it was dugan
yeah, um, I don't know a wholelot about him other than what
I've heard in you know contextof evil russian guy who's putin
clearly listens to.
Um, he's been accused of beingan anti-semitic guy.
He's been accused of a lot ofthings well, he's a nationalist

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so we can't have that exactlythat that's.
The main thing that I saw abouthim was that he is very much a
pro-russia guy and, uh, I guessthat makes him everything else,
including nazi, yeah, whereasthe ukrainians wearing nazi

(04:40):
symbology are clearly freedomfighters yeah, can you hear me?
Yeah, yeah okay, we can, we canhear you.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Fine, sorry, my my mute button wasn't working
appropriately oh, what do youneed to fart?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
no, uh, but thanks, so you know, we've seen some
stuff go back and forth but ithas really kind of.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know, we've seen some stuff go back and forth,
but it has really kind ofshocked me, given what Putin has
said about Zelensky, that therehasn't just been, we're going
to take him out.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, there's multiple ways todo that.
There's the sort of covert likehe mysteriously has a heart
condition way to take him out,and then there's just dropping a
bomb on the guy.
I mean the guy is basically inknown locations in front of

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cameras all the time.
Yeah, so Russia has doneneither, and I think this is
actually strategic, or maybestrategically good, because it
demonstrates the fact thatthey're not trying to do all the
things the west is accusingthem to do, but are doing
literally what they said fromday one, which is to protect the

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people that used to be in theukraine and are now in russia,
because it's they had a vote anddecided that they'd rather be
Russian than Ukrainian, but toprotect those people from the
attacks that they've been undersince 2014, when there was an
overthrow of the electedgovernment in Ukraine and the

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other one was to denazifyUkraine, which effectively means
removing a lot of the militaryunits or, as the kids would say
these days, unaliving them.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, they've certainly done a pretty decent
job at that.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, now it's cost them a lot of their own lives
either.
There's plenty of Russian guysthat have died over the last
three years, over the last threeyears, but the the not taking
out the leader of the othercountry, um, I think that that
that is very much a uh,strategic preservation of him,

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rather than a technicalinability to take him out.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, but hell not, even, not, even just that,
just not bombing kiev.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know they, they could totally have just right
where there have been, uh,certainly plenty of drone
attacks of moscow and and thesuburbs around moscow yeah, and
well, I mean there's been.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
There have been attacks on kiev too, but not not
an all-out assault that Russiais certainly capable of doing,
to just you know, carpet bombthe cities.
You know, here's the thingUkraine does not have air
superiority, oh, but the ghostsof Ukraine.

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Okay, ukraine does not have airsuperiority, but the ghost of
ukraine okay, um ukraine doesnot have air superiority, but
nor does russia, so you're notgoing to have bombers.
You're not going to havefighters going over and doing it
.
That's why we see this returnto trench warfare.
That we've seen is myunderstanding, but what you
could do is russia has all theweapons they would ever need to

(08:05):
just stand back and, from theirterritory, whack them.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
And you know the Ukrainians have that capability
through US weapons.
But the US is so far, andespecially with Trump in office
not going to let them do that.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
You mean the ones that they haven't sold off.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My point is Russia could dothat with very little risk of
equal retaliation from, you know, from Kiev.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, but it would definitely have a negative
political impact because all thelittle NATO countries would be
able to point a finger.
See, see, this is what we'vebeen telling you guys for three
years.
This is exactly what they wantto do to all of Europe.
They want to take over theentirety of Europe and they're
going to keep flattening things.
Ando has to step up andactually fight russia.

(09:07):
Now, okay, us go ahead.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's how nato works,right?
It's a bunch of little yippychihuahuas running around and
then, uh, when they startgetting pushed back or kicked,
like ch always need to be, uh,they are pomeranians, or well,

(09:27):
hey, now you can offend somebodyby using that but uh they're
definitely going to be umrunning back and hiding behind
the uh, you know the, theamerican German Shepherd.
I guess what's the American dogPitbull?
That's a Spanish dog right.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Do we?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
have any of our own breeds.
I mean the American StratfordTerrier, which is Pitbull Really
I thought a Pitbull was British.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
You're thinking of a Bulldog.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, I'm thinking of a Bulldog.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, what does the pit in Pitbull mean?
I don't know.
I don't either.
I don't know why you're askingthis question.
I don't know.
Well, you're more of a dog guythan I am.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I'm more of a snake guy.
We've, you know, we've got afew dog breeds the.
American Shepherd is totallydifferent than the German
Shepherd Total non sequitur inthe middle of all this.
The point is Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
You just shut down my non sequitur.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Oh, I thought that was the non sequitur.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
The non sequitur is that there's a YouTuber guy that
I watch that also plays videogames.
That has two of the mostbeautiful dogs I've ever seen.
They are pure white GermanShepherds.
They're like the absoluteperfect Nazi dogs.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, actually those German Shepherds are likely to
have kidney failure.
Why, it's the thing it's like.
The American German Shepherdsare likely to have hip dysplasia
, and so on the.
German German Shepherds are thehealthiest.
But these white GermanShepherds or the American German
Shepherds, the problem isthey're-.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Who are inbred?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, very, very inbred.
The.
American German Shepherds camefrom, like six animals in total
oh my god, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, they're beautiful, they look absolutely
gorgeous.
They've got beautiful blue eyes.
Wow, they've got the perfectwhite, you know hair and and
fluffy white tails and uh, itjust you know they.
They keep raising their rightpaw for some reason too all the
time, but I think that may bemore to do with training than

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anything else.
Yeah, they've been trained tosay hello, you know to greet
somebody, I guess beautiful dogsfunny story.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Um, when I was a kid, we I had a german shepherd as
my dog and his name was duke.
I'm surprised it wasn't adolf,okay, no, it was duke, as in
john wayne, sure, um, anyway,but he was a german, german
shepherd that we had gotten fromthis lady that uh what bred him
for police and everything elseand she, she sold him to us

(12:24):
pretty cheap.
Excuse me, because he was kindof the runt of the litter and uh
, not alpha enough and uh, well,anyway, long story short, the
full-grown dog ended up being120 pound german shepherd okay,
so how bad is it, that's a biggerman shepherd dude, yeah, yeah

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, yeah and very smart dog, verygood dog yeah and you know,
everybody knew duke and likedhim and one day, you know, my,
my dad would take duke with himto work and stuff, but for
whatever reason he had to leavehim and he had told one of the
neighbors hey, you know, if youneed to go use the phone or
something, they were building ahouse.
Um, we don't lock the door,just go know.

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If you need to go use the phoneor something, they were
building a house, we don't lockthe door, just go in.
You might have to take thephone outside because the little
chihuahua is going to my mom'schihuahua is going to yap at you
the whole time and you know,but go ahead and do it.
My mom and I had left for somereason, anyway no one was there
and they went to use the phoneand my dad had left duke inside

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and anyway, they went to openthe door and, uh, the funniest
part was duke immediately juststarts barking and being real
aggressive like no, uh, you know, no one had ever seen him do
that.
And one guy looks at the otherand says chihuahua, my ass my

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dad was trying to set him up alittle chihuahua.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, I like german shepherds.
I I think uh of dogs that I wasclosest to getting german
shepherds was definitely uh oneof the top contenders for that.
I also like Rottweilers a lot.
They're very.
They're better for warm weather.
Because the problem with GermanShepherds is like they're just,

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they're fur is too long,they're meant for cooler
temperatures.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, Like you know, Germany.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, like Germany, not like Texas, exactly as much
as we may have some texas.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know towns and food here um the, the weather is
definitely not german here oneof the funniest things I saw on
the x this last week was youknow people, why are americans
so obsessed with airconditioning and da-da-da-da-da?
And then it put the US versusEuropean cities like in

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latitudes yeah, yeah, yeah, andyou know Texas would be in
Africa, uh-huh pretty much.
Yeah so you know, there's that.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Well, and that's the thing.
Like the hill country Part ofTexas would be in Africa.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Part of Texas would be in Greece.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, like the wine region, the hill country, that
whole area where there's a tonof wineries there.
That is on the parallel to likeSyria, mm-hmm, we're basically
in the Middle East here in Texas, which is also why I think a
lot of Middle Easterners, whenthey come to Houston, feel very
at home.
Sure, I guess that and all thedeals they have going on.

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But anyway, yeah, we'vedefinitely wandered off a little
bit off that path.
But the bottom line is we don'treally have much details, but
there clearly was some kind of ameddling with one of putin's
cars that got it to explode butone question have we seen putin
in public since this happened?

(15:52):
um, that's a good question,because there have been
certainly videos of him talkingabout a variety of topics, but
he hasn't mentioned this, sothey could all be videos that
are older as well yeah, that andthat's kind of the question.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, uh, that has been brought up to me by several
people.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
The conspiracy theory .
Yeah, maybe they did kill him,the.
I'll tell you why.
I don't think that's the case,because where the car was parked
would not be a location thatthere would be an active
presidential limo parked, thatthere would be an active
presidential limo parked, so itwas kind of it was kind of like
on a back lot.
Uh, it was actually on thestreet just outside of the gate

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to where the cars are stored, soit was both publicly accessible
, which gives, you know,opportunity well, surely it's
guarded uh I don't know, man.
I mean, if it was going to betaken out to go get car washed,
he might have been parked there.
When the guy walked back to getsomething else, the driver, um

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it's.
It's hard to say, and now Iwill say that putin has on
occasion driven these thingshimself.
I think there's a video of himdriving, um the the korean
president around, what's thename I forget.
Uh, chow yung fat.
No, that's a different guy.
Uh kim jong un, yeah, drivinghim around, and they were, you

(17:18):
know, talking uh oh, you meanthe north korean president.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well yeah, which one are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (17:23):
south korean, because I don't consider the north
korean president.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well yeah, which one?
Are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
south korean, because I don't consider the north
korean guy a president okay, butthe north korea dictator just
as much korea as south korea,right still a dictator.
Oh, call him dick of all youwant.
The point is they were drivingaround and, um, yeah, I don't
know, I it just it.

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The location was not one whereit looked like it was going to
be, where an active, you knowdrive in the presidential limo
would have stopped.
That's the main reason.
I don't think he was actuallyin it.
That I'm not saying that theycouldn't hide the fact.
If he did get killed, they verylikely would.
That's like historically, uh,russia, even forgetting the

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difference between I mean, howlong did stalin?

Speaker 1 (18:10):
how long was it before they admitted that stalin
was dead?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
exactly, and that's kind of where I'm going.
It's like historically, whetherit was after the soviet
revolution or beforehand, theygenerally tended to not admit to
things that had to do withleaders for a damn long time.
So I like I don't know ifpeople are just afraid or if
they just want to have longer tofigure out a story, cover story

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for everything.
But yeah, odds are when Putindies, if he ever does, when
Putin dies, he will be um, weprobably won't actually know
about it until weeks afterwardsNow, or months.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well, I guess we'll wait and find out, but we have a
.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
We have AI video right.
They can put them doinganything they want without him
being alive.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, but I would think we would hear from you
know like meditative, yeah,would think we would hear from
you know like meditative, yeah,I think we would hear from trump
, you know, because I think he'sstaying in fairly decent oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah, they playvideo games together.
Yeah, that's true okay, I don'tknow about that, but okay yeah

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they, they play uh uhcivilization okay, I doubt trump
plays video games.
Um, so did you watch the?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
uh, the culture war stuff, uh, that uh was this last
friday by chance I rarely watchit, so unless you specifically
like, sent me something to watch, I probably didn't okay, you,
you should watch it.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's pretty interesting.
Uh, it's really debating youknow whether or not uh trump's
lawyer should have beenprosecuted.
Um, you know if the currentactions of ignoring the federal
judge are correct?
And it's two lawyers going atit and it's fairly interesting
to hear.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
They had two lawyers on culture wars yes and it's.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Both of them are retardedly pedantic, but that's
to be expected lawyers but uh uh, there were.
There were good points made onboth sides.
Yeah, there were.
The other thing was have youbeen watching what has come out
on, like mike ben's what he'sbeen saying about the jfk files
and the things that have comeout?

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Well, there's a lot ofinteresting stuff, like one
eyewitness in the file sayingthat she they saw I can't
remember the sex of theindividual, lee harvey, oswald
uh out down at street levelright before the shooting
happened, so that means hecouldn't have been up there.

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Glenn beck tried to do arecreation of the shot he
couldn't do it.
That sounds hilarious yeah, andthere's a lot of stuff coming
out that people have found inthese 80 000 prizes.
I mean everything that I'veheard is all been what's been in
conspiracy theories for like 40years yeah, there's a release

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of a tape of one of the dnc uhthe dnc chairman, the texas dnc
chairman, talking about uh umwho johnson.
Yeah, johnson okay and sayingyou know, johnson should have
never assassinated.
Oh yeah, yeah, but again likethat like I.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Every time I drive through johnson city I always
kind of chuckled to myself,thinking it's like, yeah, this
guy got away with murder.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Well, the joke that Roger Stone made on Glenn Beck's
show the other day was, youknow, nixon and Johnson both
wanted to be president, butJohnson was willing to kill for
it.
Yeah, and so, anyway, there's alot of stuff that has come out

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that is somewhat circumstantial.
There's no smoking gun.
Yeah, very well, the, the rifleand the ammunition were
literally brought back into thecountry, uh, from greece by the

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cia.
There's a lot of things thatline up here.
There there's a lot of thingsthat line up to the mob being
somewhat involved, the cubansbeing somewhat involved and it
really being rogue ciaorchestrating it all at the
behest of johnson.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
What's the guy that killed?
Uh, oswald at all.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
At the behest of johnson.
What's the guy that killed?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
uh, oswald um shit, what is his name?
You had to ask me that.
Well, I can't remember his name.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's why I'm asking I know who you're talking about
.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah yeah, I mean like well, that that definitely
seemed like a more of a mobtie-in than a government tie-in.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yes, you know the way he was holding the gun, and
it's Jack Ruby, by the way.
Jack Ruby, yeah the way he washolding the gun when he shot
Oswald is known as a gangsterhold, because literally,

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basically, you've got your indexfinger on top and you're using
your middle finger to fire thegun.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
um, and it's a way of trying to prevent the gun from
being taken from you and well,and also, the most important bit
wasn't how he shot him, but hewas a nightclub owner.
Hello, yeah well, and then hedied 1960s nightclub owner.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
And then he died in jail.
Yeah exactly, Exactly so yeah,I think it's.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
What reason would he have for shooting Oswald?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, he was just so distraught that Oswald had
killed the president.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, it's crazy.
So I don't know.
I nothing new that I've seenhas really come out of there,
like or nothing that I've that'scome out to me looked like it
was um again, no smoking gun.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
But there's lots of little things that lead you to
believe hey, we certainlyweren't told the truth.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Exactly.
And you know, jack Ruby is alsoJewish.
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Shocker.
You know what's interesting is,one of the declassified bits
was a Soviet-era memorandum thatwas talking about how poor of a
shot lee harvey oswald was whenhe went to the ussr russia yeah
like americans are supposed tobe good chats in comparison.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah so it is kind of funny, I
think.
Um it's.
It seems like we're neverreally going to get the full
story for that, because justlike we won't get the full story
with Epstein either, Well, youheard about the young lady that

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got hit by a bus.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, four days to live.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yep, that sounds about right.
Anybody else want to step up?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, and accuse Prince Andrew of uh-huh.
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, this is the thing my my theory, my
conspiracy theory and all thisstuff uh is again looking at,
just using occam's razor and allthe other razors in the razor
family and just to see what.
What is the most likely reasonwhy something that clearly was

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put together and available atthis point what four years ago?
Uh, why it was never madepublic and still isn't public?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
and the reason the epstein files yeah, from the
epstein files.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
well duh, well duh is exactly right.
But my point is that I thinkthat the answer what?
Because you keep hearing thesesuits?
Oh, it's all israeli.
It's, it's because of israel,because let's blame israel for
everything.
Clearly he was an israeli spyand that's why it's not public.
No, no, no, that would havebeen public.
There are plenty of storiesabout Israeli spies out there.

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No, I think that the mostlikely scenario is because the
vast majority of the peopleinvolved are still living and
still powerful.
So it's not just people like theClintons.
We love to make fun of theClintons and their whole Clinton
kill list, which, you know,it's kind of black humor, but,

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but it's hard not to see that asbeing a real thing.
But beyond the Clinton, there'sjust a lot of people who are
not in politics, not in the Inthe making their faces public
game, but who are nonethelessextremely rich and extremely

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perverted, and those people havea combined enormous amount of
money and power to push othersinto making sure that this thing
doesn't see the light of day.
They don't need to killeverybody.
They just need to kill a fewfolks here and there to make
everybody else take a stepbackwards and say let sleeping

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dogs lie.
We really, you know the guy'sdead, the place is shut down.
No one's going to be saved as aresult of that information
coming forward.
Let's just shut this thing downand leave it alone.
And if, if it was just purely acouple of people, a handful of
people, five to ten people, Ithink we would have known the

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data even during um biden'spresidency well, I I think
there's clearly some names onthe list that have enough
protection to stop it now.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
What I would say, though, is they could certainly
easily give us some low-levelpeople and, you know, like bill
gates or someone like that andhe's not that low level he's.
No one likes bill gates, right?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
no one likes Bill Gates right, no one likes Bill
Gates.
Bill Gates is nonetheless amulti-billionaire.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
But my point is, if they wereto give us someone like that and
a few low-level people andwhitewash the rest?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
no one would ever know.
But they can't because theyknow that if Bill Gates became
the token that they would giveup the sacrificial goat, he
would talk.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well, why do you think he would live?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well, because he's got money.
That's why it always comes downto money, dude.
His money doesn't buy you 100%guarantee of anything, but he
gets you a hell of a lot morethan not having money gets you.
Sure, the worst thing to be isa serf.
Yeah, so uh, bill Gates may bedisliked universally, and I

(29:24):
don't think it's universaleither.
There are plenty of people thathave been making money off of
him for a long time that I'msure like him uh, or at least
like the money they're gettingfrom him, and they don't want
him to go away, and so I thinkthere could be much lower
profile people than him.
The problem is, I suspect, thateither the people that have

(29:49):
directly gone to Epstein'sIsland and or the people that
work for or somehow are greatlypressured by the people that
went to Epstein's Island isprobably a large majority of
Congress today.
I would not at all be surprisedI would not be surprised If well
over 50% of the senators outthere have been diddling

(30:12):
somebody, male or female, andhave connections to Epstein.
Now, it could even be that theydidn't go to the island, but
they've gone to parties, they'vegone to other events.
They one way or another knowthat if this thing starts to
unravel, then more people giveup.
You remember the prisoner'sdilemma.
Right, go ahead.

(30:34):
So it's a philosophicalexercise.
Right, so it's it's game theory.
The prisoner's dilemma is you'vegot two people that were caught
doing something illegal.
They're separated, they're inin jail, yeah, and each one is
asked the same question.
They say look, if you talk,then we're going to make your

(30:56):
punishment be absolutely minimaland the other person's
punishment a lot stronger.
If you don't talk and the otherguy talks so you better talk
now, because I'm going to gotalk to him right after this
then you're going to be the onewhose punishment is going to be
extremely bad for you, and theother guy will give a slap on

(31:18):
the wrist too.
So we encourage you to talk,and both of these prisoners are
told the same thing.
So the prisoner's dilemma isused as an exercise in game
theory, at the beginning of gametheory, really to kind of
explain what are the differentoptions, what are the different
odds of, uh, different scenarios, and which is considered to be

(31:38):
the best winning condition orthe the I mean, it's not even
winning, but which is the bestcondition, which is the worst
case scenario here?
and of course is both of theguys snitch on the other, then
they both effectively have uh,given up the entire story, and
so they're both going to end uphaving very harsh sentences.

(32:00):
If one of the guys snitches,the other one doesn't, then the
guy that snitched haseffectively transferred some of
that guilt onto the other guywho kept his mouth shut, and
he's going to get off with alighter punishment, but still
some punishment.
If neither one of them talks,it's going to be much more
difficult for the state to proveits case, and they'll both be.

(32:22):
They'll both get punished, butprobably not as much as
certainly one of them would beif one of them talks, and
they'll be punished a lot lessthan if both of them talk.
So what is the?
The best approach to theprisoner's dilemma is if the

(32:43):
other?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
person's a female squeal immediately no, it's.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
It's to ensure that if you're ever caught, the other
person is dead yes, that thatis so helpful it is.
It means that when you're goingto go somewhere where there's
that possibility, you need tomake sure that you hire a
nightclub owner to take care ofthe other guy.

(33:09):
Uh-huh, see how you brought thatright back to ken yeah, yeah,
okay so that that's my point isthat I think if there's a
substantial amount of people inCongress, and certainly Senate,
more than the House, becausethey turn over a lot slower in
the Senate.
You think Turtlehead didn'thave something to do with this?
Of course he did.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I think it's fairly likely.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of diddlers in congressman
and they know that if one ofthem talks then it's just.
It'll be like a cat playingwith a ball of yarn.
It's just going to startunrolling and unrolling, and
unrolling.
So they have to make sure thateveryone knows that if anyone

(33:53):
even looks like they're going totalk, they're going to have a
car accident or a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Well, I still have some faith that we're going to
hear something of the filesreleased, Like I think that some
of the Epstein files will bereleased.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, the ones that have absolutely nothing
consequential whatsoever in them, those could very well be
released.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Eh possible.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
It would be very disappointing for people that
are awaiting some kind of a bigrevelation happening.
The revelation is the fact thatit's been now what four years
and these files have not beenreleased.
That's the revelation is thathow many people are involved in
the cover-up?
Over half of all the people ingovernment, basically, are
involved.
Okay, so make with that whatyou will.

(34:48):
Every country has a governmentthat deserves.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Did you notice that Trump's lost quite a bit of
weight?
He?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
looks a little skinnier, I will agree.
I think he needs to cut down onthe uh signing of the executive
orders.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
He has taken too many calories, man I don't know man
I I think it's maha.
I think he's actually startingto eat healthy for once in his
life.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, I don't know if that.
I can totally see that for aguy at his age not getting that
donut in the morning, I don'tknow if that's really healthy.
Okay, I mean, as long as he'sdoing methylene blue, I guess
that's all right, but uh, I justhate to see an old guy just
like stop enjoying life mine hasnot come in yet, by the way oh

(35:35):
yeah, that's right, you orderedsome.
I don't know if you mentionedthat last episode or not no,
because I hadn't ordered it lastepisode.
That's probably why, well youknow, you should get the alex
jones kind well, luckily, that'swhat I did yeah, um, we'll find
out.
Once it comes in we'll have youread off the bottle and
everything and see how itcompares to the stuff I've got
yeah my guess it's.

(35:56):
It's not.
It's going to be worse, it'sgoing to be worse.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's going to be worse why?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I just have that.
It's mostly the price I mean,like they shouldn't be selling
it that cheap well, it's anintroductory thing for one
allegedly yeah, we'll see youknow how this goes first there's
an introductory sale, thenthere's a going out of business
sale.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Everything's always on sale right, but so methylene
blue has been around for ahundred and some odd years it
has nothing.
Um, it has, you know, nopatents, no, nothing.
It's not particularly complexmolecule to produce, so why
should the price be high?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
well, because, uh, market competition tends to
dictate price more than anythingelse.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Okay, so if alex jones can come out and do this,
which he has done with othersupplements in the past.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, I don't know, man, we'll see, we'll see.
I'm curious to see what itactually says on the package for
quantities of the activeingredients.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Well, the package is on.
You can look at that right nowon the website.
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
What does it say?

Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's got the label on there you're, you're.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well, let's let me go to a doc.
What is it?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
dr alex jones no, uh, it's the alex jones store alex
jones md the real alex jonesstorecom.
The real alex j.
Methylene blue fresh mintflavor.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, yeah, mint flavor.
I see VIP club.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, so if you click on the pictures, you can.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
New arrivals.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Methylene blue.
Zoom in and enhance.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Zoom in and enhance.
There you go.
I'm looking at it.
I don't.
It keeps popping up ads for meto save money.
God damn it.
Uh, this is a very smallpicture.
Let me open the image newwindow and see if I can see a
bigger version of this.
Um, all vegan.

(38:16):
All vegan UPS grade Take 20drops.
Okay, so 20 drops is 10milligrams of methylene blue,
uh-huh, so one pill that I takeis 50.
Okay, so you would need to do100 drops of Alex Jones stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Well maybe you're taking too much.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
No, I'm definitely not taking it.
I'm taking just the rightamount.
Any less than this and I don'tthink you're going to see much
benefit.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Well, we'll see.
I'll take it as directed and ifI need to bump it up, I can.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I would say, just say , of that bottle, just drink a
quarter bottle a day, you'll beokay.
Not medical advice, mind you.
No advice on how to killyourself.
No, I've checked.
There's 50 milliliters in thebottle, 10 milliliters per day.
You're good to go.
Oh God, Anyway, that'sliterally the same damn thing.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I'm going to try it.
We'll see, mm-hmm.
If it doesn't do anything, thenI'll go from there.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All kidding aside, though it isgood stuff, it has been around.
I reminded ben that he'sactually used it in the past.
We both have in aquariumsbecause we both used to have
aquariums, and methylene blue issomething that you treat fish
uh, bacterial infections with.
Like ick, you treat it withmethylene blue.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
So this is something that, like, I've purchased many,
many years ago well it justcomes in a different and more
expensive packaging these daysyeah, and it's one of those
things you know what's valid forhuman consumption versus not,
and it's generally the samething.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay, you go do that horse dewormer oh yeah, you just
keep calling me as a horsepillow eater uh, but anyway it's
interesting.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Um, there are some in .
There's a lot of counterinformation on methylene blue
right now online like, if yougoogle, should I take methylene
blue?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
oh no, no, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
You should get vaccines instead, exactly yeah,
so you know there's, you knowthere's, there's counter
indications and everything else.
But that's like with everythingyou know if you, if you google
um vitamin c daily or somethinglike that, it's it's you're

(40:53):
gonna get several things thereas well.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Same with vitamin d yeah, and you know, I've always
been told that there's no suchthing as too much vitamin c,
because you'll just piss it outif you well, and it'll come out
the other end too, will it?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
oh my god, if you take it?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
will it cause an issue there with your shit?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
it will create bowel movements.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Really, I don't think I've ever taken that much.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Oh my God, when I get sick I take 2,000 plus
milligrams of vitamin C a day,and you will go, just for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's like magnesium, you know, yeah, well, the
magnesium.
I know what that does, but Ihave not heard of the vitamin c
having adverse reactions oradverse effects like that.
So, um, yeah, I mean all thingsin moderation right, that's
always the good advice yeah, andobviously if you're having side
effects, stop yeah yeah yeah,which is you know I've talked

(42:05):
about like using too much umerythritol and erythritol.
Well uh, it's a fake sugar.
Um, that tastes just like sugarokay it's actually I I believe
it's a sugar alcohol okay, whywould you use that?

(42:29):
Well, you use it instead ofreal sugar, so you don't get the
calories from sugar.
I mean, it's a naturalsweetener, basically.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, but why not use something like stevia?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Stevia doesn't taste as good.
Stevia has flavor.
It doesn't taste like realsugar.
Erythritol tastes a lot morelike real sugar.
But either way, the funny thingabout erythritol is that, like
back in the thirties, forties,fifties, we used to use it as um
, uh, yeah, basically uh.

(43:03):
It was used by exterminators totreat areas as a fairly safe um
agent, because what happens islike ants and other bugs will
eat it because it tastes likesugar, but it contains no
calories and they will literallybe.

(43:25):
You know they.
They will die as a lack ofenergy from eating it before
they realize which which theyprobably never realized, frankly
, their brains aren't exactlybig that it doesn't actually
provide energy, so it starvesthem to death while they're
eating it.
And if your dog happens to lickit up, it's not going to poison

(43:46):
your dog, which is why I say itwas used as a fairly safe
pesticide back in the old days.
Well, what we realized is thatwe can actually sell it for a
lot more money to people, muchlike fluoride, and so we we took
that and we created this muchmore expensive fake sugar

(44:07):
product out of it, and when Isay fake sugar, I'm referring to
it not being sucrose orfructose or any of the naturally
occurring sugars.
But it's not fake in the sensethat like it's made of the kind
of exotic materials that like,um, uh, what's the, what's the

(44:29):
yellow packets, what that stuffis made from?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
uh, like, uh, equal, like, equal is made from, like
formaldehyde and stuff that'scrazy oh equal, and a lot of the
fake sugars are just at likeaspartame dude is so terrible
for you yeah yeah it's well,aside from just being terrible,

(44:55):
it's it's causing migraines andeverything else yeah and and it.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's made from ingredients that seem like holy
shit.
I can't believe this is stuffthat we're allowed to eat, uh,
whereas erythritol is literallyjust an alcohol of sugar that
happens to be sweet.
So anyway, we're talking aboutthat.
How do we get on the topic offake sugars?

(45:22):
What were we talking to youabout before that?
Oh the different drugs and, yeah, the health thing Right, right,
right.
So I think there are a lot ofsubstances out there that you
can take, a lot of, erythritolbeing one of that definitely
causes gastric discomfort.

(45:44):
It'll clear you out in a hurry.
And I know this personallybecause I made sugar-free ice
cream one time and I kept addingmore by taste, because I wanted
it to be nice and sweetlikefree ice cream one time and
I kept adding more, you know, bytaste because I want to be nice
and sweet like real ice creamand I put in about a half a
packet, so probably like sixcups of the erythritol in there

(46:08):
and uh, like six cups oferythritol to probably like four
cups of cream.
And, holy shit, man, that you.
It just ran right through youlike in 10 minutes, like that
ice cream came in one end andwent up the other very, very
fast.
It tastes good, do it?
I can't say anything about theflavor.
Flavor was very good.
It just has a negative effecton your, your bowels, that's all

(46:33):
.
Yeah, well, you better be closeto a bad instead of uh, this
weekend bowel movements oh yeah,that's the other show I do what
happened, unrelenting, relented.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
What do you mean?
There was no show this friday?
Yeah, there was.
Uh, then something's wrong withyour uh rss feed.
It could be we did a showbecause and no agenda had the
same issue on uh thursday's showwhere the rss feed was not
showing up in fountain, or um,uh, what's the other app I

(47:08):
downloaded to check it?
Uh, pod, uh podcast addict and.
I actually had to listen toThursday's no Agenda on the web,
and then it apparently gotfixed as of today there's no
episode.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Well, there's a special channel.
I hear in Signal that somebodycould use to notify of such
things.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, well, I just looked and then I'm talking to
you right now.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
so there you go Do you expect me to remember these
things.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
It's your show with Darren, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Do you expect me to know what show I'm doing with
Darren?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Okay, so you expect me to do your job for you?

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, got it, absolutely so that show was
called, what it was calledUnrelenting Right, and that,
yeah, march 28th, episode 149.
Apnea Ablation is the name ofthe episode.
That's where.
I explain to Darren whatablation is and why he should
have no business doing it.

(48:12):
Not medical advice, mind you.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, ablation is not a fun topic.
No.
Yeah, so the last one that'sshowing up and I just refreshed
the feed is episode 148.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
It literally says this is not medical advice.
On the show.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, 148 Snow Fight.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, you're like a show behind.
You should probably get thatfixed.
Yeah, or someone should fixyour rss feed.
Oh, guess what that would be?
It just showed up.
Oh, look at that, look at that.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
It's all working now huh uh-huh, so something weird
was going on with the rss feedsover the weekend um but no so
they wanted they will I.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I, when I was a kid, I had some issues and they
wanted to do an ablation on me.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You still have some issues it's not that game, hey
we're not talking mental illnesshere okay okay, that that is.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
That is not the scope of this conversation.
But no, they wanted to do anoblation on my heart.
Thankfully, your mom didn't doit.
Well, no, I didn't do it.
I was old enough to make thedecision myself.
No, but I was old enough andsmart enough to go yeah, no, not
gonna fucking do it, but yourmom made the right decision.

(49:30):
They weren't going to do itagainst my will.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Well, you know, that's not how it works these
days with kids, uh-huh, no,timmy's really trans.
We gotta cut it off now,exactly look, who knows better
than the parents whether theirkid is trans or not?
Clearly the parents say thekid's trans, you do the surgery,
they'll figure it outeventually yeah, uh-huh that's
how that works.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Unfortunately, I can see we're in a world that would
do that, but no um it.
The ablation is a very scaryprocess, and especially when
you're in your teens and youngand you know, thinking uh yeah,
no thanks, I don't want to killoff part of my heart.
I might need that later.
You think yeah, and and you know, to be honest, I I ended up

(50:15):
growing out of the issues I hadand, uh, so I had just let
people know I had a conditioncalled uh, well, I still do.
But wpw, wolf parkinson whiteand it's essentially an extra
pathway in the heart.
So instead of having one nervegoing from one side of the heart
to the other, so that you knowventricle one beats and then
ventricle two beats, in sequenceuh, I've got two and randomly

(50:40):
the nerve impulse will go downboth at the same time I mean try
methylene blue, because I hearit's good for that so what?
What ends up happening is thethe signal gets there to beat,
and then, a split second later,the signal gets there to beat,
and then, a split second later,the signal gets there to beat
again.
So you end up with what's calleda premature heartbeat, and your
heart tries to correct for thisby beating faster and faster

(51:02):
and faster.
Well, my heart rate had beenrecorded at over 220 beats per
minute.
At what age?

Speaker 2 (51:11):
15.
Yeah, it's low on the high side.
I mean it's not unusual, butit's low on the high side, it's
very on the high side.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I mean it's not unusual, but it's low on the
high side.
It's very on the high side andwhat would happen was my heart
would be beating so fast, likethat's the recorded amount we
have no idea during an attackright, actually got up to and my
heart would be beating so fastthat it really wouldn't be
moving any blood and so my bloodpressure would bottom out and I
would drop out.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's not a good thing, not a fun
experience.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Not a good thing to have happen at all.
You know, if you were morecreative, you'd have come up
with something like well, youknow, actually, much like Doctor
who, I have two hearts here, soyou're clearly mistaken about
my condition.
Yeah, well, didn't occur to you.
I guess I wish mistaken aboutmy condition.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, well, didn't occur to you, I guess I wish.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Mm-hmm.
And incidentally, Time Lordsare not the only species with
more than one heart.
There are plenty in sciencefiction.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Well, there's Doesn't an octopus have more than one?
I know they've got yeah, I knowthey've got nine brains but
don't they have multiple hearts.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, I think they do .
I think you're right.
I don't remember how many,though, but I think you are
correct.
But I mean, like in sciencefiction as in humanoids having
more than one heart.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, they have two hearts.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
How many hearts do the dudes from Babylon 5 have?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Which one?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Any of them.
There's some of them too.
I remember right.
Yeah the Centauri have twohearts.
Yeah, that's what I meant theCentauri and they have extra
little things that are used astheir sex organs.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
They're like tentacles, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, I mean, if you want to just call, which, by the
way, is straight the fuck outof hentai right, oh, totally
totally, yeah, yeah, but theyalso have like hot chicks that
are bald as well right like thebald look has never been a thing
for me, but at the same timeyou saw that episode.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
You're like holy shit that actually works I did see
that episode as a kid, soexactly exactly now.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
You've wanted a bald woman ever since and, to be fair
, she's not totally bald.
She has that, uh, ponytail,ponytail coming down.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, so you know, yeah well, bald or not, you, you
and I, both, would be, you know, all over the place.
Moving on Tesla attacks and didyou see what happened today in?
New.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Mexico no.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
What happened there?
So the GOP headquarters in someNew Mexico town got burned down
.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Holy cow.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Wow.
Like arson arson wait, that'snot tesla related though well,
it's general, the entire thingis general general.
Uh, you know felony vandalismagainst a bunch of different
people.
So, and then ashley sinclaircoming out and selling her tesla

(54:16):
and decrying elon saying he'scut her child support and this,
that and the other, and yeah,like, yeah it's, it's kind of
crazy.
So, rudyard, from what if althiss definitely didn't get his
bet done?
You know here shortly, becausehe said a thousand000 deaths by
April.
Yeah, that's not happening,we're not there.

(54:37):
But what I will say is, ifstuff keeps escalating the way
it is and we give him till theend of April, he might.
He very well might yeah, that'snot good.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I mean, obviously I don't really want him to win his
bet, even if he's right aboutwhat's happening, but I would
like to see more actualenforcement.
In fact, I sent you a link on Xand I said I think it was of a
bunch of people laying down infront of a Tesla dealership

(55:18):
blocking it, and I think thequestion I posed was was this a
protest or was this simply apublic outing of a terrorist
organization, which I'm inclinedto call it?
This letter, not the first,because all these people well, I

(55:42):
don't know if all of them arepaid, some of them are
absolutely paid, but all of themare holding professionally made
signs, which makes them unpaid,volunteer terrorists.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Well, there was a lot of.
There were a lot of theprotesters for this day of
protest against Elon Musk thatsuddenly, at noon, just left,
you know, and there is.
I forget which organization isbacking some of these protests,

(56:21):
I forget which organization isbacking some of these protests,
but they literally have.
Hey, you can get reimbursed upto X amount for going and doing
this and you know they have a,they have some rules around what
it needs, you know how long youhave to be there, what you do
and so on.
And it certainly is a way ofpaying protesters in a uh,
somewhat you know, nefarious waywhere you can claim oh no,
we're not paying protesters,we're just reimbursing them for

(56:43):
what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Uh-huh, uh-huh, exactly.
And the other comment that Iposted about these people is if
you look at the majority of them, they clearly are just post
college age college.
If you look at the majority ofthem, they clearly are just
post-college age, college age orcollege professor age.
As I said, you know, I wouldbet today that many of these
people maybe not all, but manyof these people previous to

(57:09):
going to college, seeing themfuture selves on TV, would have
laughed at these people.
I think college breaks peoplethese days.
It removes logic, it removes asense of nationalism, it removes

(57:30):
a lot of the ability to processdata rationally and it replaces
it with an indoctrination basedon socialist ideologies where
the main function of theproletariat that they would
consider themselves to be is tosimply follow orders and repeat

(57:56):
anything that is told to themand not question anything.
That's my assertion.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Well, I think you definitely have the Fabian-type
socialists that have taken overthe colleges I?
I.
To think that the, the ussrcollapsed and we won the cold
war is somewhat disingenuous tome, because if you look at the

(58:28):
movement of europe more tosocialism, if you look at the
us's moves toward socialism andeverything else, I?
I how can you argue that we'renot still fighting the same
enemy?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
it's just now from within right and that's a very
good point.
A subtle point that a lot ofpeople miss, because for an
awful lot of people, especiallyfrom a generation older than you
and mostly older than me aswell, but certainly plenty of my
age they equate Russia withUSSR and they completely think

(59:06):
that who they were fighting wasa country.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
It's not.
It's an ideology.
It's the problem.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It's always been an ideology that they've, that
america has been fighting with,an ideology that was the ruling
ideology in the ussr.
But it wasn't the geographiclocation of the people that was
the problem of the Russianpeople or the any other of the

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groups of Soviets back then.
It was the fact that thisideology was the dominant and
government ideology of thatcountry at the time.
And it still is in China, itstill is in North Korea, still
is in a number of places.
But just because a countrystops being communist doesn't

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mean that you've now killedcommunism.
Just because it's moved on fromone region or one country
doesn't mean it's gone.
It's likely moved somewhereelse and has taken root and is
now subverting a different groupof people geographically into
that same sort of ideology.

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And I think this is what's beenhappening in the United States
to a large extent, to Canada inan even bigger extent.
Dude, I remember when I was akid watching Canadian television
shows.
It was basically like they wereall outdoorsy shows and they
had, you know, farmers andranchers and fishermen and doing

(01:00:44):
all kinds of stuff that wasinteresting for a kid to watch,
but it portrayed a country whereeverybody walked around with a
gun.
It portrayed a country whereeverybody walked around with a
gun.
You know everybody was self.
What's the word likeself-sufficient?

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
That is not Canada today at all.
No, Well, Canada's gone off thedeep end dude, Especially with
the appointment of this newprime minister, temporary prime
minister, minister, who'sprobably going to call snap
elections, but real quick.
One of the things I I would sayis we have to recognize,
especially here in the us uh,mccarthy, joseph mccarthy was

(01:01:27):
right, was not wrong exactlythere was a bunch of stuff, yeah
he died, and the selectCommittee on Un-American
Activities sure got a bad rap.
but at the same, say what youwill about him being a
transvestite.
I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Oh yeah yeah.
But that aside, there wasnothing wrong with.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Like what kind of transvestite Like you?
Like to wear women's underwear?
Like Lee Harvey Oswald?
Like women's underwear?
No, J Edgar Hoover.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That same kind of transvestite,exactly, exactly, like they
didn't think they were women,they just enjoyed women's
clothing and I wish there wouldbe more of that, which I just do
not understand, yeah, and wedon't have to understand Like
nothing about women's clothinglooks particularly comfortable
or, you know, practical to meand everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
You know, the other day we went to leave to go check
the mailbox.
I had the kids here and I gotasked well, do you have the keys
?
And I'm like, yeah, they're inmy pocket.
Well, I don't know where, you'mlike yeah, they're in my pocket
.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Well, I don't know where you keep them they're in
my pocket every day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Well, I don't keep my keys in my pockets.
I don't know it's like, okay,anyway, sorry, like no, my ec
pockets are, I think, necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Part of the reason there's so many alleged
transsexuals now is becausethey've sort of killed off this
group that used to exist calledtransvestites, and they've just
basically told people that dolike to wear women's clothing,
men that like to wear women'sclothing.
They've told them oh no, no, no, you're not a transvestite, you

(01:03:15):
actually want to be a womanyeah, you're just wear women's
clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Well, the same thing with tomboys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Tomboys don't exist anymore nope, they don't, and
that's really sad because theywere fun.
They were fun to, you know, assomething a little different
from all your other guys,because they were still girls
even though they they knew howto light a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
It was a buddy you could kiss.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Now, that makes you a little gay, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Not a why.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
You know you're kissing your best friend, you're
hanging out with them, you'regoing out shooting guns and then
kissing.
It just kind of feels like it'sa little gay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
No, if the chromosomal difference exists,
then it's fine you ever watchblack adder?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
no, okay, that was a great show.
You may not understand, it'sbritish humor, but black adder,
uh, was a show that that was.
I think they had four seasons,maybe five, but each season was
set in a different time periodand one of the seasons I want to
say was during the Elizabethanera.

(01:04:26):
The main character played byRowan Atkinson was starting to
get emotions for his boy servantand start thinking that you
know, geez, he's attracted tothis this cabin boy or whatever.

(01:04:49):
And then the boy servant makesthe revelation that he's
actually a girl pretending to bea boy, and now he's all
confused because in to in onesense that kind of makes this
less you know of a problem yes,right.
On the other hand, he's not asattracted to her well that

(01:05:12):
that's a whole different issuethere, buddy but he's no, he
likes women.
He just, for whatever reason,seems to be there.
So it was a funny thing.
I mean, you know who droneatkinson is, even if you don't
know.
Black at it, right?
Uh, no, I don't think.
No, jesus.
Okay, we've got some new tvshows we need to start adding to
the list of shows that ben'sgonna watch.

(01:05:34):
I will happily re-watch all ofthem here.
Here's the people that were init.
Okay, and god, you had betterrecognize some of these names.
So obviously ronan atkinson wasa big one that you haven't
heard of.
Um, uh, house md yeah, theactor yeah, he was in it.
Okay, uh, the um, the big, tallbritish gay dude who, uh, who,

(01:06:02):
god, what's his name?
Uh, laura, uh, yeah, no, no, hehad a little show with laurie
hugh.
Laurie had a show with uh, whydon't?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
you just all right.
The name of the show is blackadder black adder.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
You don't black areas right a snake.
Yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, the snake.
Yes, thank you, gene I.
I I have seen, uh, you know, acrocodile hunter episode or two
okay all right, good, good.
Oh, crikey, poor guy like Ican't think of a worse way to go
than getting hit in the heartwith a stingray.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I can think of plenty .

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Stephen Fry is the other guy I was gonna mention
yeah, so my dad's gotten hit bya stingray before and I've seen
the pain that he's gone throughand he still says it's the worst
pain he's ever had.
So I don't know, but hesurvived, though this guy died
instantly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Just imagine if he would have gotten hit by
stingray and nuts.
No well, he got hit in thethumb you'd want to be dead at
that point?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
yeah, okay, black at our tv series 1982, 1983, uh, 83
, 89.
Yeah, uh, it's got mr bean init yeah, that's mr bean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Is ron atkinson?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
okay, I don't know, I've always known him as mr bean
why would I want to watch thisshow?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
oh, it's hilarious.
It is some of the funniesthumor ever on tv.
He is uh, in fact, right now.
He's actually done some greatspeeches about the uh the
stupidity of the world cultureand where do you follow monty?
Python so monty python isinteresting because monty python
has some funny humor in it, butit also has a lot of buffoonery

(01:07:53):
and, as you all know, I'm not alarge fan of buffoonery.
I like humor that is yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I know it strikes too close to home for you not in
the least it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It strikes very far away, which is why I don't
really find it all thatentertaining, which seems to be
mostly the kind of stuff yousend me to watch videos not that
funny.
I like things that are.
I like traditional britishcomedy, which is to say sort of
understated stiff upper lip,very, um, uh, you know it's.

(01:08:28):
It's more sarcasm and, uh, acold delivery than it is in your
face slapstick which is more ofthe American style.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yeah, well, for the record, I like Monty Python.
Okay, it makes sense.
It's more buffoonery.
The life of Brian.
The transgender quotes from thelife of Brian are so applicable
to today and hilarious.
It's not even funny, for sure,for brian are so applicable to
today and hilarious.
It's not even funny, for sureyou know, monty python, the holy

(01:08:58):
grail, you know all, all ofthose things.
We are the knights of me, likeI grew up on that stuff, it's
funny, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
No, it is funny, it's well written.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I definitely have a slapstick sense of humor.
Yeah, you know that more thannothing wrong with that I mean
it's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
I don't think of you any less, not much less for that
it's uh gee definitelynoticeable.
Yeah, so I think you wouldenjoy black adder, and each
season, as I said, takes placein a different period um, so the
first one is in the Richard theForce time.
The next one is Elizabeth, theFirst.

(01:09:36):
Okay.
The next one is it's King Georgethe Third's era, and the last
one was set during the Great War, which would be World War I,
and it's they never got to aWorld War II episode, huh, no,
no, it got canceled before them.
Uh, but it.

(01:09:58):
It's the same character.
What's?
The same actors, obviously, butalso the same.
Basically the same personas,the same personality types, the
same types of characters.
Right, that each rinse andrepeat throughout history yeah
then the archetype, very funny.
The archetype precisely,precisely, uh, and the archetype
Precisely, precisely, and thereis there's definitely some

(01:10:19):
buffoonery in there.
I'm not going to say thereisn't any.
There's also very stereotypicalBBC sets, which is to say, hire
a guy, give him 50 bucks andtell him to make a set.
You know very basic, but Ienjoyed the shows a lot.
I love that sense of humor andI wouldn't mind re-watching them

(01:10:40):
.
So if we want to add that tothe list, I'll definitely be up
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
It'll give me a chance to resubscribe to the
BritBox TV channel.
Yeah, I'm not going tosubscribe to BritBox.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
You should, you should.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Well, you heard the tip of the day on Thursday's
show, right?
No, what's tip of the day?
Watch it's.
Oh God, what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
TV dot something.
Tv dot something.
I don't get anything there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
No, it's God, it's a piracy site that JCD found that
basically lets you watchanything from anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
That's not a tip, that's like a felony.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Well, he ran it as a tip, so good luck to him.
Jcd yeah.
I'm sure your other co-hostknows exactly what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Oh, I guarantee you, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, yeah, he's probably one of the ones who
told JCD about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Exactly, I know Darren piracy what?

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Yeah, no, he knows all about all those sites.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Like I still have like an IP torrents account and
stuff like that, but I don'tever use it.
Yeah, like there's just nopoint yeah, like there's just no
point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
I was on a private torrent server for a long, long
time that we, we kind of made itprivate back.
Uh, when pirate bay firststarted yeah, and ip torrents is
that same way you it requiresan invitation to get in exactly
exactly because we saw, and it'sreputation based, so if you
invite someone and they screw upa lot.
It hurts you.
Totally Same kind of idea and Iwas on there for a long time.

(01:12:22):
The quality was way better thananything you could get
elsewhere.
Like people, if you uploadedcrap, you're going to get in
trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Or crap quality, or didn't seed, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Or didn't write a description accurately enough,
yeah, so all that stuff was uhan issue but hey, that porn
actress doesn't have big tits,she's only got medium tits.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
thinking take that shit down.
But it got to a point wheremost of the uh copier protection
stuff was no longer popular forprograms and I had more money
in my pocket to actually buymore stuff and it just.
And then then it all kind ofadded up to the point where it's
kind of like, dude, I never login, I never get anything, I

(01:13:04):
don't need to get anything offtorrents anymore, um, and if I
do, I'll, I'll write a nice,nice email or a signal message
to my other co-host and say, hey, any chance you can snag one of
these for me yeah, you gocommit the crime, so I don't
have to exactly now, technicallywe would both be liable for the

(01:13:26):
crime being committed, but atleast I would have to do less
work for it well, I mean I'vegot stuff set up to doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
You know, I've got torrent servers and everything
that I can throw something onthere and download something
very easily.
But it's just good, then I'lluse you next time, but it's just
not something I'm going to doyeah um anymore because, for
instance, like community, Icould have, uh, you know,
torrented community or I couldhave.

(01:13:55):
There are lots of things, but Ijust haven't bought it.
No, I haven't.
But I haven't watched TV in acouple of weeks, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I believe it.
You've got a lot of shit goingon.
I haven't watched TV in atleast a week.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
So I've got to tell you I'm going to be getting even
busier.
We just won that Guam project.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I was talking about oh, even busier, we just won
that guam project.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
I was telling oh, nice good, so yeah you know it's
we, we are it's.
It's a good, good thing to have.
But we are winning a ton ofwork right now and awesome we're
bringing in other portions ofthe business so for instance,
there's a us electric companythat my firm has been after for

(01:14:40):
years and never gotten anywherewith, because one of our
competitors has been their mainepc and, uh well, because of my
reputation and some of mycolleagues reputations, we were
able to walk in and get acybersecurity contract with them
.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
And go ahead and do an MSA with them.
That allows for everybody else,which everyone's looking at us
going.
How did you do this?
We can't ever get in there.
We can't do this.
Well, you know, we're going tobring you along sometimes too.
It's okay, Exactly, and sothat's just opening the

(01:15:16):
floodgates to well, hey, I wantyou in this account.
I want you in this account.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Needless to say, I am busy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
We'll keep finding time to do this show, though.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, this isn't going away.
It's just like my TV time isnon-existent.
I still want to read I stillwant to do other things and,
like tonight, I was working onsome proposals.
You're still doing Spanish.
Yeah, 299 nights.
Wow.
In a row.
Yeah, so tonight will be 300.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
What's ketchup in Spanish?

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I never had to say ketchup in Spanish.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Okay, maybe we'll ask again in 600 more sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yes, when I get to the condiments phase when you,
when you finally arrive atcondiments salsa de tomate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
I don't know, that'd probably be close enough all I
know is when I ordered take onleche in costa rica and the
waiter looked at me a littlefunny and then he brought me out
a cup of warm milk and a teabag okay, yeah, that's when I

(01:16:31):
knew that there are, thatthere's some finesse involved.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Well, and it also depends on the dialect right and
the different slangs.
Oh sure, Because charqueta inSpain means something very
different than Latin America.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Mm-hmm Now one thing I will ask you have you ever had
leche de tigre, leche de tigre,lice de tigre?
No, I have not have you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So when you're making a cevicheand the juice from the ceviche
is called a lice de tigre, milkof the tiger, and it's supposed
to be a hangover cure andeverything else.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
But it's this really spicy, just funky juice, right
um yeah, that's interesting, butif you like ceviches it was
invented in san antonio.
Texas ceviche no leche de tigre.
Okay, well, it's the juice offof the phrase was coined in san
antonio.
I'm just looking into historyokay, maybe yeah wouldn't

(01:17:40):
surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Do you like flan?
No, I cannot stand flan I likefun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
It's, oh it's, it's to me one of the better mexican
desserts well, mexicans don'tknow how to make desserts.
You know, didn't they Tres?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Leches cake okay.
But beyond that, you know, Idon't know man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Not a big fan.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Like a churro and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Churro's not very good.
It's just fried flour withsugar.
But I do like the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Whatchamacallit Flan with sugar, but I do like the
the, which would call it one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Okay, I don't like soft puddings like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Well, it should have a hard, hard top on it right,
but it's still just yeah, yeah,not my thing.
But, I don't like a lot ofsweets.
Yeah, my favorite cake iscarrot cake.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
I like carrot cake as well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
It's savory.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
I like it.
I like carrot cake without thewhite stuff on top.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Yeah sure, like every year for my birthday, my dad
used to make me a carrot cake asa kid.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Well, that's cool, yeah, I like.
Make me a carrot cake reallygood.
Well, that's cool.
Yeah, I like carrot cake, but II've always been a chocolate
flavored dude, like chocolate,ice cream, chocolate, cake,
chocolate, whatever.
I always liked the chocolate.
What else is that?
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
go-to there, gene I mean, yeah, I've had some black
girlfriends.
Sure who hasn't?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I mean, yeah, I've had some black girlfriends, sure
who hasn't.
Uh-huh, mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Hey, hey, hey, yeah, it's goodthat you're still learning.
We'll have to find a little bitof time for you to watch
Blackadder but that aside, it'sall good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I'm going to have some travel to DFW.
Definitely some travel to Guam,which that'll be fun, so there
will be some time Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Dude Guam.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
That's going to be a nightmare.
It's like 20 hours of traveling.
Yeah, I'm speakingsarcastically.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
It's going to be well like.
The only reference to Guam thatI have, since I've never
actually been there, is in videogames, in World War II, flying
airplanes around it.
I've never been there either.
I don't know what the real Guamis like, but certainly in video
games I have some sense of whatit was like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
It's just out in the middle of fucking, nowhere is
the problem Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
It's a refueling, stop it, it's just out in the
middle of fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Nowhere is the problem much it's a refueling
stop.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
It's where uh airplanes go to refuel.
Yeah, so, but also people thatare born in guam, us citizens
yeah, they're us citizens whodon't have to pay taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Yeah, same as puerto rico, which I'm also working on
that island as well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
So all the tax havens Gotcha.
There's a pattern here Scopingout future locations to live.
I see, huh, maybe, yeah, andthere is a guy that I ran into
once that actually had figuredout a way, having not been born
in Guam, to effectively give upyour mainland citizenship to get

(01:20:53):
himself a Guam citizenship,which was pretty interesting at
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Well, because it is just a US protectorate, it is
not a territory.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Exactly exactly, but it's like you could still be
president if you're born there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Yeah, it's got a governor and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
yes, it's almost like a state, Almost almost like a
state.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Almost like a state which, by the way, just like
greenland.
What do you think of europere-arming?
Almost like a?

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
state.
I think it's funny, um, becausethey don't even have the money
to just live.
They sure as hell don't havethe money to rearm and live I
think, there'll be massstarvation happening in Europe
soon.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
The funny thing is they're going to be buying from
our arms companies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So oh, fuck the US, here's $800billion Wow.
Seriously, lockheed Martin,everybody very happy.
Hmm, happy in fact there's eventalks of europe commissioning

(01:21:57):
through lockheed and becauselucky didn't win the, the uh
f-47 uh contract, boeing did ofeurope taking their prototype
and making it the europeansix-gen fighter really yes I had
not heard that.
That's interesting well, I heardit through our aerospace

(01:22:19):
division, so okay, so you pressit probably true so at least
talks, yeah, which we've got.
We've got ties to boeing, we'vegot ties to lockheed.
We've got you know, hell, I, Iliterally have a company shirt
with the artemis logo on it forthe work we've done with artemis
.
Yeah, um which, I have one ofthose in a box for you oh okay,

(01:22:43):
because that was gonna be mynext question where's mine?
I got you what?

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
don't worry, buddy all right, good, good.
Uh ben, why are you ordering alarge?
And a triple xl.
Well, I like to be comfortableat night that's right, it's uh
well, that's just my night sheetyeah, when I, when I take the
girdle off, it really lets go oh, that's right nice so okay,

(01:23:12):
that was an x drives like I gotsome random charge from x.
I was trying to figure out whatthe hell that was okay.
Oh, I guess I've been usingtheir ai too much, or something
the standalone grok app sucks umno, I wouldn't say that I've
been using it what do you notlike about?
it.
What do you not like?

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
so if I upload a picture and say this is me, yeah
, okay.
And then I say, create an imageof me doing x, y or z, uh it
forgets and would use the littleBSD Damon logo from my Twitter

(01:23:55):
account as me.
Right, If I do it all as onebig long prompt, you know it's
fine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Okay, and how are you telling it to use that picture
in the second prompt?
Well what are you saying?

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
So if I write this is this is a photo of me, yeah.
Now make a photo.
This is a photo of me.
Yeah, now make a photo, nowmake a drawing of me doing X, y
and Z.
Yeah, it just ignores thatfirst prompt.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, I would too.
Why?
Because you need to phrase itin a different way.
You need to phrase it using theimage above.
Make a photo of blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Yeah, it blah blah.
Yeah.
Okay, Natural languageprocessing my ass.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
That's very natural and I think, in fact, if you
want the most natural languageprocessing that Grok has, you
need to make sure that you gointo the personalities mode when
is it?
And make sure that it's on grokthree and that what is the

(01:25:10):
personality?
The personality selected isargumentative 18 plus, so that
will give you the most naturalexperience.
And where is that in there?
Oh, I'm sorry, do you not payfor it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
I pay for X.
I have not unlocked the supergrok features.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
No super grok for you .
Okay, okay, okay.
No, I'm not paying $ a monthwell, I mean, you know rock's
not gonna talk to peasants, isit?
Okay you must really hate elon.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Oh no, did you see the uh?
Californ, the Luigi Mangionebill.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Yeah, so they're putting out the bill named after
Luigi Mangione to restrict whathealth care insurance companies
can do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
They're literally naming a bill for a murderer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
The bill restricts the rights of corporations?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Yes, it's on par for Californiaifornia.
I will say that, okay, fairenough.
But at the same time, dude,when are we going to learn the
lesson?
When are we going to say uh, no, like, when is there going to
be a line that isn't just goingto get crossed?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yeah, this is a tough question because this goes
along with the is there anythingthat somebody could say?
And then the next part of it isthere anything that somebody
could do which would result inyou being okay with an
escalation to violence?
And I think the answer to thosequestions is different for

(01:26:59):
everybody.
The problem is that, in my view, the answer to that question
for the left has an extremelylow bar.
Essentially, if you've insultedthem verbally, they feel like
it is perfectly acceptable tomurder you feel like it is

(01:27:19):
perfectly acceptable to murderyou.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Well, and to be clear , I am fine with violence at a
certain point because you know,that there there is a limit to
what you can take and a limit towhat is acceptable.
Uh, that you, you get to thepoint where you have no other
choice.
You always have a choice.
No, you don't.
To quote Oliver Wendell Holmes,let's see if I can get this

(01:27:42):
right.
Between two groups of peoplewho want to make inconsistent
kinds of worlds, I see no remedybut force, and that is true.
Now the left is saying well,there's that's true you always
have a choice.
Yes, you can capitulate yeah,exactly well then you don't
really want to make that kind ofworld well, you may want it,

(01:28:04):
but you're not willing to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
I think those are separate things, but also this
goes along with my saying ofevery country has the government
and deserves, because you needto have a sufficient enough
percentage of people in yourpopulation to want to affect
change from the current system,to move to a different system.
Now that change could bepositive, moving from a woke
government to a more of a a umwell, less woke and and more

(01:28:30):
nationalistic type government,or it could be a negative change
, like Canada, but nonethelessyou need to have people that
don't just do nothing, likedoing something one way or the
other requires the decision tobe made, and this is why what

(01:28:50):
I'm saying about your quote isthat it's not true is because
the vast majority of people,when faced with that kind of
decision, do literally nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
I don't know.
I think we're at a point wherewe're going to start seeing that
, like the Tesla owners, theyget cut off.
The woman in Arizona that justgot cut off guy stopped on the
side of the road.
Guy jumps out.
When she rolls her window downto go, what the hell?
He starts beating the shit outof her.
The next person knowing thatthat story happened, it's gonna

(01:29:23):
get shut exactly yeah, yeah, asthey should damn fucking right,
absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
But that's.
I think this is like this wouldbe a discussion I would enjoy
having with multiple people umnot maybe at the same time, but
maybe uh, and maybe it's one wehave on our super secret signal
group um is, where is that limitfor for you, like, where does

(01:29:49):
that lie?

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
because um sure, as long as we don't record it yeah,
that way I can be honest.
It's a private yeah, yeah, no,no, no reporters allowed that's
the name, the group.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Yeah, no reporters allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Yeah um, do we want to talk about signal gate at all
?

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
sure, let's talk about signal gate all right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
So you know, we we've experimented with a few things.
You put together that groupbasically to say hey, how did
this happen?
And it depends on your settingsand the default settings.
Now, these aregovernment-issued phones that
the government had put on anapproved app and said, okay,

(01:30:35):
we've done the hardening, we'vedone this.
This should you know, this ishow you should use it, but they
didn't turn on notifications forwhen new people are at it so
like explain that one to me?
yeah, because you can turn thaton you can absolutely yeah, so
why is?
The government hardened versionof signal on the government

(01:30:56):
employees apps not fuckinghardened

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
yeah, well, you know the answer, but the the answer
is twofold.
One is I think it's a mistakefor signal as the company to
have defaults that both allowyou to anyone in the group not
just the admin, but anyone toadd a new person by default.
Should have been by defaultwithout touching any settings.

(01:31:20):
Should have been only the admincan add new people.
The second setting is thenotification one that you
mentioned.
Now, those are are the wrongdefaults from the app.
As far as I'm concerned,however, as you brought up, they
should have both been caught bythe it department that is
responsible for issuing thesegovernment phones so what I'll

(01:31:43):
say is signal makes decisionsthat I don't always agree with,
but for ease of use and security.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
So, for instance, on android, they got tired of
supporting SMS integration.
To me it was great and I reallyI stopped donating to him after
they cut this feature.
The SMS signal combination wasgreat.
If someone has signal it's, it's, you know it uses signal If
it's.
If they don't, it doesn't.

(01:32:12):
It's my only messaging app.
It's easy for me to tell my dadhey, use this, my mom, so on.
Now my dad, it's random if Iget a message from him on Signal
or via SMS, depending on wherehe's sharing from, and whatever,
because he doesn't understandthe difference.
So to me it actually hurtspeople's security because no,

(01:32:35):
they don't, they're just tryingto send a message.
So for that average, everyday,average user, you know the and
the argument was well, but thenyou could accidentally be
sending an sms when you meant tosend a signal yeah, okay, and
if I'm that dumb then it doesn'treally matter and if
I'm actually trying to thinkthrough this.
Then I'm going to know enoughto make sure that you know our,

(01:32:56):
our, our identity numbers arecorrect.
I'm going to make sure thatthere's no changes here.
I'm going to make sure that wewe have closed that loop.
So I get them trying to makethings easier for an individual
by saying, hey, anyone can addanyone to the group.
Well, well, hey, add Tim.
Well, I can't add Tim, you'rethe like.
I get it.

(01:33:16):
Yeah, the settings are not.
The default settings are notmeant to be super, super, super
secure.
They're meant to be Convenient.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
I think it's the word you're looking for and we can't
hear you.
If you're talking, ben, becauseyou went silent.
You still connected.
Yeah, you're still connected.
What up, ben?
You're quiet, you're on mute oryour mic died or something.
I'm going to pause it.

(01:33:53):
Pause the recording.
We'll be back when Benreappears.
Guys and Ben's back, all right,ben.
Whoopsie, I'm sure you had agreat rant.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Where did I drop off?
Because I actually did.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I'm sure you did Well .

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
anyway, the Signal app is okay for everyday stuff,
but if you're going to allowgovernment people to use it,
then they damn well need toactually enforce some of the
settings.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Yeah, they need to have hardened settings on it,
and that's the part that'ssurprising to me.
I think it should, in general,have defaults that are strict
and allow people to go to a lessstrict system, but they don't.
Okay.
But at the very least they dohave the options to a less
strict system.
But they don't, okay.
But at the very least they dohave that options to make it
more strict.
But for whatever reason, theseoptions were not set on any of

(01:34:44):
these guys' phones At leastthat's my assumption, since
somebody did join them.
No one knows.
Now, the other thing I will saythat I haven't heard other
people mentioning, so I'll bringit up is it is quite likely
that somebody other than thereporter had been on the list of
invites to that call and thatperson, not being a fan of Trump

(01:35:08):
, decided that, rather than justrecording the conversation and
leaking it, which is what theyusually would have done, that
instead they would just add in areporter and then drop off the
call immediately themselves, andthat would show no difference
on the signal app, because wetested this.
If somebody just was invited in, they invited, then they

(01:35:33):
dropped.
It would look like they'venever been there.
There's no good history inSignal.
Unless the person typedsomething, there's no record of
them ever being on that call.
And that's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
The other thing I would say is the disappearing
messaging setting being enabledon these chats is actually a
problem.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
I am very two-sided on that.
I get the idea that allgovernment records need to be
kept, like Hillary never did.
I also personally, on every oneof my conversations in Signal,
have a timeout Because I don'twant, I don't need to keep those
records.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Yeah, and that's fine and that's good for you to do,
but I like there are certainpeople in my life that literally
I have years and years worth ofmessages going back.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
I do, unfortunately, as well, and they usually keep
sending me video clips of shitthat I don't really care about
go on somebody never mind allright, oh, okay yeah, people
annoying, people go ahead

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
you know what, if you don't like the video, the two
video clips I've sent you duringthis podcast, then I don't know
what to tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
I question your heterosexuality why does it have
to be you?
What?
What is?
What is that?
Narcissism that exists in yourhead that keeps thinking that
just if I'm talking must beabout you, not you, okay, uh-huh
, okay, I have other people thatI communicate with.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
I don't know that that's true, uh-huh exactly what
a narcissist would say no, justsomeone who knows you.
Uh-huh, all right, gene.
Well, we've been gone a littlemore than an hour and a half.
What else we got to talk about?
Because we we got to go alittle bit more we've got more
than that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
We've gotten about an hour and 50 minutes, but uh
we're almost to our mark.
Well, I mean, those were thetwo big that's not what my timer
says, but okay, your timer hadto get reset.
When you drop?
Okay, when?
Uh, the two big stories that wehad obviously were the putin
limo blowing up the signal stuff, which you seem to kind of be
brushing off.
But I will definitely confirmthat.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Let me just say this the reason why I'm just blowing
it off is because, first of all,I I kind of am of the opinion
that, okay, this seems prettyfucking scripted for one and two
, even if it wasn't there.

(01:38:19):
Okay, nothing, burger, therewas nothing really it is nothing
burger.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
There's nothing said yeah that is so okay, you know
my only questions were about thetopic I discussed, which is I.
I did it in my own signal.
I would check the defaults.
I was able to create a group.
Somebody else was able to addanother person to it without me
really seeing that it washappening.
Like all those things happened,and I reached out to a buddy

(01:38:45):
and had him do the same thingand he confirmed that on the
government issued phone with thedefault settings that his phone
came with, he was also able todo the exact same thing.
So now we know how it couldhave happened.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
We don't know exactly how it did happen, but we have
a pretty good idea how it couldhave happened yeah, by the way,
did you see the uh, the uhnumber of it, or people tasked
with provisioning equipment inthe irs?
Did you see that story?
It came out of the brett bearinterview with elon, did you

(01:39:18):
watch that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
I did not know you haven't watched that.
I can't keep up with all theelon interviews lately.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
No, no, no no, no, the the brett bear two-part
interview, two-day thing.
You need to go watch that.
I'm telling you he's got hiscronies there and it is amazing
interview and what they say.
So they were basically sayingthere's 12,000 people tasked
with provisioning IT systems inthe IRS.

(01:39:48):
So that means they could.
If a person did two people aday of that 12,000, they could
reprovision the entire IRS andlist it a month.
Why do we have that many peopleLike this amount of system,
overlap, stuff that they talkedabout and everything else?
It really is interesting and Iwas talking to a friend of mine

(01:40:11):
who literally did audits intheir government career, right,
and I was like explain to me anyrational basis for having
double the amount of creditcards, uh, in the us government
than you have employees overdouble well, because we don't do

(01:40:31):
accounting like corporateamerica that's true and I'm like
okay, but so you literally needa separate credit card.
You can't just expense it out onthe back end, correct?
Why?
Well, it's just the way it'sdone.
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
well, it's, it's done , you know, manually, by hand,
on paper, with pencils.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
There's a lot of truth to that.
Seriously, this is part of thereason why they can walk in and
say, hey, we can do this waycheaper and faster and more
efficient very easily.
Unfortunately, there's a lot ofwaste and there's a lot of
fraud Tons of waste.
I am looking for pam bondy andteam to actually, um you know,

(01:41:20):
arrest some people over some ofthem?

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
yeah, I'm not, she's useless.
The, the whole of government,operates very similarly to the
company in office space indeedand the guy with the stapler.
I forget his name.
Um, you know that, like thereare a lot of those guys working

(01:41:42):
for the government, they'recollecting a paycheck, doing
doing nothing appreciable,nothing necessary, but they've
been there for 20 years.
They're, you know, theyparticipate in all the company.
You know birthday parties andeverything where there's cake
and they, they do all thesethings.
They don't actually produceanything.

(01:42:05):
They do nothing for thegovernment.
That is part of the necessaryrequirements of the government.
They're just lifelongbureaucrats, collecting a
paycheck, doing menial work ornot even menial, but just doing
redundant work, or not evenmenial, but just doing redundant
work, work that, had it notbeen done by them, would never
be missed.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Well, it's definitely interesting times that we live
in to get to be able to see this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Yeah, I mean we.
It's not really meant as acompliment usually, but yeah, I
agree, we definitely live ininteresting times.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Well, Jean, apparently I'm having some sort
of issue because you're nowsiloning and oh, I'm sorry, Did
my normal voice kick in.
Yeah, Well, regardless.
Um, like you said, we've goneprobably long enough.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
You won the end.
I get it.
No, we're good, we're good.
So, guys, we'll catch you nextweek.
We appreciate all the peoplethat are monthly donors to us.
It certainly lets us know thatyou like listening to our
podcast, you appreciate hearingit.
If anyone would like to do that, there's a link in every
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But also one of the biggestways you guys can help and we

(01:43:23):
remind you of this in the middleof our shows, every show is by
spreading the word, let othersknow, let somebody who's your
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topics that we talk about, tellthem about the podcast, point
them to where they can get it.
And, uh, you know it costs younothing, costs them nothing,

(01:43:43):
costs us nothing because we'reon a fixed plan anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
uh, so there's no cost for anybody, but it gets
more people listening and morepeople talking and ultimately,
that's the main thing that wewant to do is start
conversations well, and if youhave a favorite episode of the
show, sometimes the best way toget other people to listen is
say hey, you don't have to golisten to the latest one because
, like tonight, we're havingissues and everything else, but

(01:44:07):
just send them.
Send them the link to yourfavorite episode that you listen
to where you thought we hadsomething to say that was uh
worthwhile, and let them get uhhooked that way.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Sounds like a good suggestion there, ben, we'll
talk to y'all in a week Later.

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