114 Just Two Good Old Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How are you Ben?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
How are you today, gene?
I am better than I deserve,even though there was a
whirlwind trip this week and youwere out last week.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, half out this week with a freaking cold.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah, going to Dallas and turning around and coming
back in like 30 hours aboutkilled me, that was not the way
to start my week.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I hear you yeah, it's a driver fly.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I flew okay I flew because well one, I uh Because
well one.
Last year I missed my statuswith United by just a couple
flight segments and so nope.
And the other thing is when Idrive, you know it's three and a

(00:59):
half four hours.
One way that is just lost.
If I fly, it's about an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
How is it?
Three hours for me and threeand a?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
half for you, just the way I got to go, and you're
going straight up 35, and I'vegot to go up 35, east or west
depending on where I'm going andeverything else, and it also
depends on what part of Dallasyou're going into.
So I was going all the way upto Richardson.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
So there you go.
Gotcha Gotcha, but yeah, it'sum.
Yeah, I mean, my travel lastweek was fine, but other than
that I caught a cold in theflight back.
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I didn't bring enough .
Sorry to hear that you're sick.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It happens rarely.
You didn't bring enough.
You didn't bring enough alcoholwipes apparently.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know the approach Itake.
You just drink alcohol on theplane, so that way you're.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
you know sanitizing yeah, that's, that's true.
I but you know I haven't drankfor five years now, so I'm gonna
start just because I'm flyingyeah well, I'm sure people don't
care, but uh, it was aproductive, uh productive time
up there.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I've got more travel coming that will be pretty
interesting.
Early part of next month I'llbe in DC for a big partnership
meeting with a company I used towork for Nice.
That'll be fun, I'm sure it'salways fun seeing old people,

(02:49):
yeah, especially the CEO thatI'm not a big fan of.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
But that's okay, it's only a 30-minute meeting with
him.
Oh, okay, at the World EconomicForum room in New York for a
wedding.
Yeah, yeah, that was good.
The wedding went well, so, andactually the trip was pretty fun

(03:17):
.
I'm just I definitely gotreminded that I can't stay up to
4 am every night and then getup at 9 am the next day.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, it's pretty rough.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's pretty rough, no longer in that age bracket
where that's an easy thing to do, even though it certainly was
in my 20s.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, I'm in an age bracket where that's not easy to
do, so I feel you Getting homeat 9 o'clock at night on Tuesday
wiped me out for the next day.
I kind of feel like you wereborn an old man, so it makes

(04:03):
more sense I am born an old man,how house.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So I don't know, Just the way you talk and the stuff
you like.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Just older parents, I guess, but yeah, so, jean, did
you pay attention to the news atall A little?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
bit, but peripherally what?
What's the top thing these days?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, we had a stabbing and we had a shooting
and, okay, we had a stabbing intexas, I believe, didn't we yep?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
are the brits coming over, or what?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
because they're usually the ones that do the
stabbing no, this was a uppermiddle class kid and, um you
know, both kids were from fairlyaffluent.
You know families and reallyyeah, yeah, I, there was a

(04:56):
racial divide and issue there,but um, and it looks like it was
almost purposeful.
I'm sorry, was one of themMexican?
No, it was a black kid and awhite kid.
Oh, okay, and you know theimmediate story was oh well, the

(05:18):
fight broke out and he had thisknife and you know he didn't
mean to kill him, and this, thatand the other.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Which one got killed, the white or the black one?
White kid, White kid get killedthe white or the black one.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
White kid.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
White kid got killed.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Got stabbed in the heart.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
That's almost as bad as getting stabbed by a stingray
.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, well, anyway, the video footage of this shows
this kid walking around allthese tents because it was
raining.
Um, and the kids representrepresentation has already said
oh well, the school should havecanceled the track meet and all

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this because of inclementweather and like trying to shift
blame and do stupid stuff.
That dude, that that's not notgoing to fly.
But what's interesting is, youknow, the excuse was well, I
went under the tent to you know,get out of the rain.
Except, you walked around inthe rain passing up other tents
and walked past this one andthen went back to it.

(06:18):
So well that doesn't make sense.
I don't know about that Now well, I mean on video, it can be
harder to tell.
Is the rain getting harder?
Was it just?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
light at the time.
So how did the guy end upstabbing somebody?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Because he went to another high school's tent.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
A rival high school's tent.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
And apparently he was told he wasn't welcome there
and they said you know, don'ttouch me, I'm not.
You know, f off, I can be here.
And apparently this other kidtouched him or grabbed him or
whatever like there was going tobe an escalation of events
there and he killed him.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, well, crazy stuff.
Yeah, I guess it happens.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, the interesting thing is there's been a lot of
kerfuffles on the give-send-gomoney and how it's being used
and how the family of thestabber is using the money and
how the family of the stabber isusing the money.

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They've moved out of their homeand into a different home
that's not in their name, sothey can, you know, stay safe.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Their house has been swatted.
Apparently, Parents are goingto sue the crap out of these
guys.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like an Alex Jones $20
trillion lawsuit oh yeah, you'relike an Alex Jones $20 trillion
lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You always have to pay more for kids because they
have a long life ahead of them.
Yeah, they have opportunitiesthat have now been taken away.
But the interesting thing andthe interesting part of this
story to me is a lot of theancillary stuff around it.
You know the, the, the peoplejumping on gives and go for
allowing them to raise money.
Well, no, gives and go wants tobe an agnostic platform and

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unless, unless they're actively,you know they're raising money
for illegal defense, they'reallowed to do that.
If you don't think they shouldget that money, don't send them
that money, right?
So there's a lot of ancillarythings around that that I think
are interesting.
The other thing that I think isinteresting is the way people
are um, playing.

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You know the news media isplaying the race angle one way,
the internet's playing inanother, saying, oh, had he been
, you know, uh, had the rolesbeen reversed, then you know the
, the news media would be sayingwhat, uh, uh wouldn't be
defending the stabber, right,probably.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
So yeah that makes sense.
Anyway, it's hard to get uhdetails out of you what the what
is?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
this kid doing with a knife at a track meet?
Well, that's an interestingquestion because he's not
supposed to have it there no um,now, one of the things I would,
one of the things I would sayis infringements to your rights
to keep and bear arms I thinkare bullshit.
I think weapons should beallowed in schools.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
He's under 18, right.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You know he is under 18.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
He's 17,.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
So the death penalty is off the table.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, but I mean he also has no weapons rights at 17
.
You know, get those.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, okay, I had a pocket knife way before that.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
So did I, at 10 years old, obviously, but I wasn't
stabbing people with it.
That's different.
Well, regardless the point iswe couldn't have to school
routinely and no one gave a shitlike in junior high and you
know, when my dad was in school,they were shooting clubs
exactly exactly.
They're like what.

(10:16):
Johnny, you came to schoolwithout a gun.
What are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
yeah, but you know, I I think that what we need to,
what we need to do, is not tryand protect our kids from
violence by removing tools thatyou know are going to get in to
the school at some point in time, to begin with, because
obviously this kid yeah, oh, Ithink we lost Ben again.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
His motor probably decided to reset, which seems to
happen with some regularityduring the recording of the
shows, but that's all right.
He'll be back during therecording of these shows, but
that's all right.
He'll be back usually in just alittle bit when he realizes
that nobody can hear him.
Right, ben, ben you there.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Ben yeah, sorry Gene.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Zoom had an issue on me.
Yeah, I figured, something hadan issue, that's not funny, yeah
.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Anyway, what I was saying is you know, we need to
arm our society, not disarm oursociety.
I was talking about that.
I checked a bag on the flightto Dallas for a one-day trip,
not because I needed some bigbag, but because there was a
firearm in there because Iwasn't going to go and not be
armed I'm cognizant of.

(11:54):
I'm not walking into a clientsite packing unless I've been
there before and I know theydon't have any signs, then it'll
be in my backpack.
But if they have signs orwhatever, I abide and just call
it good.
But if shit hit the fan and Ineeded to get home, I would like

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to be armed.
That's my thought.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, we both read the book the Gun is an Equalizer
.
Which book we read more?
The book the Gun is anEqualizer.
Which book we read?
One, the Going Home one.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.
The Going Home series, whichyeah.
Check in on that series see ifthere's a new one.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, it's a good point,because I think they were coming
out with something in theoriginal series, right, not the
add-on series, yep.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yep.
So Anyway, the stabbing is just, it's sad, it's unfortunate.
You know what has happened.
And then yesterday we hadbreaking news of a shooting at
Florida State.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate, but I still
would say that, given thepopulation of the US, the amount
of shootings that happen forpeople under 21 is extremely

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small.
You know, people under 21 isextremely small.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
There are more people under 21, mostly females killed
in the UK than the US, ofcourse, out there it's legal
because you know a lot ofmuslims well and you know the
stabbing death that, uh, the thenetflix series is based off of,
and everything else they, theyput their, they twist it to hide
the obvious truth, and theobvious truth is that these

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migrants are not integrating in.
There are issues here we need toaddress either how we force
them to integrate in our societyand behave, or they've got to
go and we're getting to abreaking point.
And the sad thing is, in the UK, the people who would normally

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revolt are now being arrested bytheir own government.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, the UK government has gone absolutely
in 1884.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
There's no other way to describe it If you're guilty
of thought crime online oranything like that.
That doesn't purport to be whatBig Brother wants.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
They're showing up at people's homes.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
They're going to come get you.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Wanting to talk to them aka arrest them for a
Facebook post.
And it's not a skit by the uh,babylon b.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
No, it's like literally not even the if you
literally look like you're insilent prayer outside of a
mosque.
Oh yeah, that's right, you.
You can have someone come up toyou and say something.
Not that you said anything toanyone, not that that you did
anything, but hey, you weresilent and bowing your head and
had your eyes closed.
Were you praying?
Well, that could be offensiveto someone.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well, absolutely the people in charge.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So this is why we have the Second Amendment, why
this is why it is good for thegovernment to fear us.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Oh yeah, absolutely that's.
Uh.
Anyone who thinks the secondamendment was for hunting is an
idiot.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yes, agreed, mm, mm.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah so.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I did uh.
What else do you want?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
to say about this and then I got from a listener.
Okay, I was gonna just mention,relating to guns, that there
was a neat gun that just cameout from Springfield that I sent
you a video of.
Did you watch that, by chance?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
yeah, yeah, I I didn't watch the video because
I'm not in the market and youknow it's a neat roller delay
package.
I'm aware of the gun, though,because they partnered with
Strike Industries on it, whichis the frame that my gun is Nice
.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
So yeah, I was already aware of it.
I thought it looked very nice.
It's not as cool looking as aChris Vector, but it's way
cheaper.
They're saying $1,000, $9.99.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
List which for a Springfield is a pretty damn
good price.
Yeah, no, it would be a neatlittle PDW if you don't have one
.
So I've got two Like made as aPDW, not converted?
Yeah, sure, but okay, know, sixinch barrel I I okay, I've got

(17:15):
a six inch barrel on my uh sigp320, you know, with a comp and
I've got it tuned and, like thep320 is as integrated as
anything I would want.
Yeah, anyway fun stuff.
Are you going to get one?

Speaker 1 (17:35):
I really don't need one, but I'll definitely go and
look at it For sure.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
You need one, it's a perfect truck gun dude.
Yeah, yeah, sure you need one,it's a perfect truck gun dude,
yeah, yeah.
So in the category of yeah,well then, buy a chris vector
too much money, spend the money.
No, see you, you call me cheap.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I'm poor man, I don't have money.
I'm cheap, yeah, yeah, yeah,mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
All right, so we got a note.
I got a note on LinkedIn, ofall places, oh wow.
Someone figured me out andmessaged me there and yeah, I
don't know if he wants his nameout there, so I'll just say
Steve.
But it was kind of a neat note.
It really kind of lightened mymood and helped me out a little

(18:30):
bit on wednesday in the morningitm I should probably stop being
a douchebag yes, you should,but you know it's understandable
and donate to just two good oldboys I think we're in some of
the same circles at differentstages of life my late teens.
Uh, for jack mclam.
Anyway, enough rambling, keepup the good work on the show,

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man, and I'll send a donationasap.
And I sent a thumbs up and saidthanks, man.
How did you know that jack?
And apparently he used to be awebmaster, a radio engineer for
the broadcasting network.
Jack was on.
And yeah, knew him and helpedhim with his radio show and said
he was a great man.
And I said I agree and he was agreat friend and mentor.

(19:14):
So small fucking world that'sthe sheriff dude right, yeah,
yeah, yeah, Jack McLam.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah yeah, I just, I know there's a few of those guys
you knew, I wasn't sure whichone's the sheriff, which one's
what.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Now no that's cool anyway, so he's about your age
or he's older than he he's alittle younger oh, younger even
oh okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
So anyway, it's just funny that uh, we have a
listener who also knew jack andeverything else, so there you go
well, it's.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I mean, it'd be more surprising, uh, if he wasn't a
listener, I guess given thatokay, you know what I mean.
It's like, uh, yes, similarinterests, similar, uh kind of
interactions with people that'dbe kind of like if you knew, um,

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uh, what's the face?
Goddamn, I'm blanking out.
Uh, um, goddamn, I'm blankingout Alex Jones.
And then somebody says, oh yeah, yeah, I did a thing for Alex.
I was like, well, yeah, a lotof people that have similar

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interests did stuff for with orbought vitamins from Alex.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well, I've been taking the methylene blue and I
like it.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh, good, good gonna.
I forgot to ask you that.
I was curious if you were stilltaking that.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, I'm taking it uh every morning.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I add it to some water and uh, then add in some
emergency and you know, so niceso have you uh, a different
brand to try as well, becausethe shit that I was taking has
all that combination of othercrap in it Caffeine, nicotine

(21:13):
and MDMA or whatever.
So it's a lot more than justethylene blue.
I wanted to just get some pureethylene blue as well.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Okay, what'd you get ethylene blue as well.
Okay, what'd you get?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Ethylene blue from Amazon, or methylene blue rather
.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
It's like a so no brand specific.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Non-descript brand yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I mean it's See, I don't know if I would order that
off of Amazon.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Brands don't matter that much.
All this shit's made in thesame factories.
I checked on these guys thechinese company but it's made in
florida and I know the guysthat are making it in florida
because I used to be in thebusiness.
So it's fine.
It does like the fact thatthey're not paying for marketing
doesn't really attract me okayso did you pay attention to the

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story about the maryland dadthat trump falsely deported?
a little bit.
I mean, it doesn't sound likehe's just a dad, sounds like
he's a major criminal.
But you know he was deported.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yes, well, right, but the left we.
We had Senator Flydown toMaryland to talk to him, and all
this.
Like you know, they got Flynnon the violation of the Logan
Act for having a conversationwith a peer on the way into the

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White House.
How is this not like okay?
this is egregious and at thispoint we're well, and it's
because, you see, there's rulesmade for you and there's rules
made for me, and he's using therules made for him, which are
very different well, I I mean,as, as far as I'm concerned, the

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Justice Department needs to,because you know, he said in his
press statement before he flewdown there, he was going to
contradict the foreign policy,the stated foreign policy of the
United States which is justdead clear and you know, okay,
that is a violation of the Logan.
How many you?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
how many people have done that with, specifically on
the left, with all kinds oforganizations that we didn't
used to think were kosher?
How many US senators and I knowthe answer is quite a few have

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met up with Nazis in UkraineLike actual dudes with wearing
Nazi insignia and uniforms.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
But were they contradicting the stated policy
positions of the united statesat the time?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
well, I mean, I guess I haven't read history in a
long time.
Maybe we were on the side ofthe nazis for all I know.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Hard to say, right but our support for ukraine
would be the current foreignpolicy thing.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, nazis and ukraine are good nazis and
argentina are bad nazis andGermany are bad, but in Korea
they're okay, Got it.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, so before we move off the Maryland dad, let's
just be clear.
You know he is not fromMaryland at all we're national.
And he is, and the evidencethat he is a member of MS-13 is

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pretty high when you have theMaryland police saying he's
MS-13.
You have an immigration judgesaying he's MS-13.
You have ICE saying he's MS-13.
You have a different judgesaying he's MS-13.
You have the president of ElSalvador saying, yeah, he's one

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of ours and he's MS-13.
And you know the well, he had aninjunction against being
deported to, you know, elsalvador, because he would face

(25:31):
persecution by rival gangs andhis uh, his um country because
of his gang affiliation, likethe fuck.
So we could have sent himanywhere else, but we couldn't
send him to el salvador, which Ithink that's whatever judge I
don't believe that judges havethe constitutional authority to
interfere with internationalrelations period.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't think they do either or universal injunctions
.
You know, I don't thinkuniversal injunctions are a
constitutional thing yeah, but Iwould be more willing to
entertain a judge issuing aninjunction against something
that the executive branch doesdomestically.
But I have zero possible youknow, imagination, for lack of a

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better term to see how a judgecan issue an injunction that
deals with international affairson the executive branch.
That is just not in the purviewof the us court system.
None of it is.
Next thing, you know, a judgeis going to be ruling on whether
the us can declare war onsomebody.
It's like, no, yeah, you don'tget to do that.

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You, the people, electedsomebody cruise missiles around.
Yeah, exactly, turn those cruisemissiles around, exactly right.
So I think it's a bunch of BS.
The one good thing that'scoming out of it is we are
getting a very good list ofactivist liberal judges who are

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trying to rule from the benchinstead of doing their jobs,
which is making sure that theConstitution is actually
complied with, and certainly onthe domestic level, not a

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freaking international one.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
When people are.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Sorry.
This does touch on one thingthat you and I have talked about
, and I can't remember if we hadan agreement or disagreement
about which was the idea thatare the rights enumerated in the
constitution human rights orare they citizen rights?
I'm more inclined to saythey're citizen rights.
I believe there should be acitizen class and then everybody

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else, and that becoming acitizen should not be, becoming
a citizen should not beautomatic or super easy.
It should be something that youeffectively have to make an
election to become a citizen andthat should entail a granting
of certain rights that othersdon't have, but also certain

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requirements that others don'thave, like serving in the
military, for example, in timeof war.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Well, I'll tell you my point of view.
The rights enumerated in theConstitution are not rights that
are granted to the citizenry.
Barack Obama actually saidsomething smart a long time ago
that the Constitution is a billof negative virtues and what he
meant by that is it doesn't saywhat your rights are.

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It says what the governmentcan't do to your rights.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
So I would say.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
The Second Amendment applies to the government's
ability to do stuff to citizens.
Government's ability to dostuff to citizens.
Now we get into.
You know, when we say thepeople, or we say this, we have
to push some of that languageout.
And you know, um, like theright to habeas hearings and so
on, or the right due process.

(29:18):
I think everybody has the rightto do process in this country.
Now, what level of due process?
That's a different story, butwhat it comes down to is the
answer.
Your question is yes.
The constitution is talkingabout god-given rights that are
inalienable to any person.
What it doesn't do is preventour uh government from
infringing on non-citizens well,and that's the thing is.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
as soon as you walk into customs at the airport,
there's a big ass sign that saysbeing in this area effectively
removes your constitutionalrights.
It doesn't say it in thoseterms, but it effectively says
that that they can searchanything with no cause
whatsoever because you'recrossing the border Like your.

(30:04):
Fifth Amendment rights Within Xnumber of're crossing the border
like your your uh, fifthamendment right within x number
of miles of the border well, and, and on top of, I was speaking
specifically about the borderitself, like at the airport.
But you're right, I mean thatborder goes out.
What 100 miles, theoretically,that they can stop a car, yeah,
traversinging on a highway andthen say, yeah, we're going to

(30:25):
do a border inspection, butyou're 100 miles from the border
.
What the hell kind of borderinspection is it supposed to be?
You know, yeah, so yeah, I justI think that there's a.
There needs to be more clarity.
There's certainly not enoughclarity on this, but I would

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also say that the rights shouldreally be created for the
citizens of the country, not fornon-citizens.
The idea that somebody thatyou're at war with would have
the same rights as the peoplethat they're fighting with
simply by entering the countryis asinine.
That should never be the case.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Well, I think there are some rights that it is
useful to grant non-citizens,like due process.
I think is one.
Now, some of that due processshould be okay, you're here
illegally, yes, bye, that's itlike.

(31:34):
That should be the extent ofthe due process.
Yeah but, if you're herelegally, you know, and we try to
deport you because we don'tlike you anymore.
There needs to be a little bitmore due process, right?
Because if you followed therules, then we shouldn't just
change them on you.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, rules are never good to be changed.
But also, I think that there'sa difference between saying that
, yeah, if you entered legally,then you get certain aspects.
Well, no, you don't.
If you broke the law.
It's not.
The only time to break the lawis not when you're entering.

(32:15):
You could also break the lawafter you're in country and lose
your special status, and that'strue of people with green cards
.
It's true of people withoutgreen cards that are just
temporary residents.
You're here conditionally.
You are in the United Statesunder the laws and jurisdiction

(32:37):
of the United Statesconditionally, with two
exceptions One, you were bornhere, which I don't like.
With two exceptions One, youwere born here, which I don't
like, and two, you actuallyapplied for and took a test to
become a citizen Like.

(32:58):
That's your two exceptions tonot being kicked out of the
country.
Everybody else, I think, is a.
They have to justify and provewhy they should be here and if
they are granted a residencyhere, whether it's temporary or
permanent, there needs to bestill a higher level of
expectation on them to where, ifthey, if they fuck up for lack

(33:23):
of a better word during thatperiod of time, then they won't
get the ability to becomecitizens.
In fact, they'll get kicked outof the country.
Most countries do it that way.
If you want to be a Japanesecitizen, you don't have the same
rights as every Japanese personfrom the minute you get there

(33:46):
rights as every japanese personfrom the minute you get there.
You you have to work hard atjustifying to the country why
they should allow you to becomea citizen.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, that's fine but if someone can, if someone
commits a you know a crime hereafter they're in country we'll
prosecute them for that crime.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
That's fine and part of that, uh can be expelling
them uh, after we've donewhatever you know, that's fine,
yeah, yeah, but so in agreement,you know I I think until you
become a citizen, you havesomewhat limited subset of her

(34:26):
view, because well, no, yourrights don't change, but the
government's ability to infringeupon them, should that's my
okay, that's another way ofsaying the same thing I'm trying
to say it's it's essentiallysaying that if you are a
full-blown citizen, there is nogovernment getting around your
rights like those rights areinvoluntary, they're, they're

(34:53):
yours and they're yours forever,and the government can't fuck
with them.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Unfortunately, you see our rights infringed all the
time.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Of course, I watch a lot of videos for entertainment
purposes.
Of police doing that.
Unfortunately, it'sentertaining as much as it's
frustrating, but it happens allthe time.
You know police saying well,what?
Why are you sitting at this gasstation for more than two hours
?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
no, you're uh, because I need to.
I need to see your papers siryeah, it's like well, what law
am I breaking?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
well, it's not about breaking a law, sir.
It's about you being suspiciousand I'm needing to see who you
are and if you don't comply,then I'm going to arrest you for
resisting arrest.
I mean, it's just, it'scraziness.
It's craziness and that's thekind of shit that shouldn't
happen for US citizens.
I have less concern about thattype of thing happening for

(35:47):
non-US citizens.
Well, yeah, I mean, the policeshould still always be polite
and everything.
I just feel like there ought tobe less opportunity for them to
do that to actual citizens.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, well, again, I agree that there should be some
things that apply to the bodypolitic of citizens here in the
us and there should be some whodon't.
Uh, did you not?
Did you watch nick freitas'sepisode on uh will?
Uh will america get a caesar?

(36:31):
You should go watch that I'mnot gonna replicate it here, is
his other buddy here from thepodcast there oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, and they geek out on thevarious types of roman emperors
and so on, and what's mostlikely to happen here.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I wish he had his own show I looked into, he doesn't
do anything else, like hedoesn't have his own podcast or
show or anything else he's onlyon the maybe they'll, yeah I
mean, but they're they're kindof a dynamic duo there, so it
works yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it works well.
I just like a lot of the stuffthat he says is coming from more
of a historical perspective,not just a libertarian-minded

(37:12):
kind of perspective.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
And.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I appreciate the research, the guy does.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, and he's not a mindless libertarian, right?
No, he definitely is.
I think oftentimes a lot oflibertarians are just well, that
violates first principles.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Well, okay.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yes, I agree.
But the way I think we have toremember is the enemy gets a
vote too.
Right, you can make your plans,you can say your principles and
everything else, but the enemygets a vote too.
And if you're allowing peopleto just purely use your
principles against you, that maybe something you have to suffer

(37:55):
through, that may be somethingyou have to abide because you
don't want to violate thoseprinciples.
But you should certainly lookand assess what you should do
and be mindful of it, not justoh well, we can't do that.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Well, we can, yeah, we maybe shouldn't, and we need
to assess it, so yeah, well, andI, I am more of the objectivist
school of libertarians andreally think that the enemies of
freedom are the enemies of usall and they should be treated

(38:27):
as such.
And it's not a matter of like.
We're all just, you know.
We have different opinions.
No, there's right and wrong,there's good and bad, and people
that want to deprive me of myfreedom, my liberty, are not
people that I'm going to thenhappily put on a level playing
field and provide them with, uh,you know, an equal sort of uh I

(38:54):
don't know what you want tocall it like equal opportunity,
to have them be heard out orwhatever.
No, fuck that shit, dude, if,if you're trying to work against
what I I see as the uh, theprinciples that that I am for
and that embody what America isfor then you're an enemy.

(39:16):
You're not a just a randomperson with a bad opinion.
You're, you're genuinely actingas a bad actor and you should
be treated as such.
I've said this before I wouldmake an awesome dictator I would
yeah, yeah, through sure youwould absolutely that there

(39:38):
would be no more peacefulprotests.
I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Mostly peaceful protests.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
It's a very simple question when it comes to
initiation of violence.
Is initiating violence in orderto oppose speech something that
you consider, uh, anappropriate, legitimate action?
You do great, leave the country, you're done.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I don't want you here yeah, well, I, I mean, we can
say that, but I'm I'm gonna sayit, I know you're not gonna say
it, but I will say okay.
Well, as a member of thegeneration that grew up hearing
violence is never an answer.
Violence is never an answer.
Violence is never an answer.
That's simply just not true.

(40:32):
And what I would say is peoplecan be doing things and saying
things, that they are notengaging in violence against you
, but is nonetheless harming you, and at some point conversation
ends and no, motherfucker,you're not doing that or saying
that, or treating me like thatbegins well, there's again.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
There's a difference between saying a lot of fucking
around.
We need some finding out yeah,yeah, but it's this idea that
Elon Musk is the most evilperson in the world.
Therefore, I'm going to damagea bunch of Tesla cars.
That behavior should be a lotmore than the misdemeanor it's

(41:14):
not misdemeanor.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
That should be a ten-year prison sentence.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
A lot of the destruction that we're seeing is
, uh, you know, uh, felonyvandalism yeah and I think it's
uh, you should go even beyondthat.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
you know the idea that you have flipped the switch
between opposing viewpointsthat there's a conversation
about and gone towards actualviolent actions, which I, I
certainly would say being aTesla is a violent action.
Um, although, good luck keyinga Tesla truck unless your key is

(41:53):
made of something harder thanstainless steel, the the cop,
the brass keys, copper keys,aren't going to do shit to that
shark, but it's jumping theshark.
It's saying that what you saidis so bad that I'm willing to
actually punch you.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yes, and at some point in time, that is
legitimate.
I think they are jumping theshark.
I think that's why the majorityof people can look at this and
say, hey, this is ridiculous.
What are you doing?
Why would you be acting likethis?
You?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
could consider to be nonviolent, but that represses
your rights, yeah, then I thinkit is totally appropriate to
move things into a more violentdirection.

(42:51):
But when somebody is justtalking about something that
isn't repressing your rights,then you're gonna be the one
initiating violence in thatsituation, not the other person,
because it's a.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You know, it's the same kind of thing we're in
violent agreement on this Gene.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, I know we are, but I'm trying to clarify it
because I think some people cantake you out of context and say
well, Ben, just says that youneed to start shooting
immediately when somebodyoffends you, and I I don't think
you actually support blake, soI think there's a yeah, and so
there is clearly a difference interms of, uh, what justifies

(43:39):
jumping that shark, and in mymind, it's things like what is
mentioned in the Atlas Shark ofthe looters.
Right, so the looter class is,you know, you could argue, are
nonviolent, but what they'redoing absolutely justifies a

(44:00):
violent response, in my opinion,not just a going on strike, as
it were, but going on strikethat may also cause mass
starvation, you know it's.
It's like I stopped caringabout people who are trying to
legitimately, uh, take my rightsaway.
I just don't care about them.

(44:23):
Well, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Anyone who doesn't want to read all of Atlas
Shrugged or the Fountainhead, atleast go read John Galt's
speech and Howard Rourke'sspeech At the very least just
read those and then you'll verymuch understand more what we're
talking about, and you can evenwatch excerpts of John Galt's
speech, but the text is better.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Did you see the movies or not?
I only saw the first two.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, I saw the, they were okay.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
It was somewhat mediocre.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
They just cut so much out.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, it really needs to be a mini series, not a
actress they had playing, dagny,wasn't hot enough fair enough,
but neither was uh uh and randeither.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
She's not exactly a hot chick no, uh, no, she would
be the opposite of that.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, that is not, I had I don't know where the hell
I put it.
I think it probably got lost indivorce or something, but I had
a movie poster of umfountainhead, uh, fountainhead,
yeah, yeah, yeah with.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Which the original 1950s Fountainhead movie is good
.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, with a photograph, a black and white
photo, of a young Anne Rand,like in her late 20s probably,
and she looked pretty cute.
She definitely not like a 10 byany stretch, but she didn't
look like a raspy, smoking oldlady the way that I was used to

(46:02):
seeing her in the 70s, right.
You know that's the biggest TVtime she ever got was in the 70s
, like on Donahue and all theseshows.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, after the founding of the Rand Institute
and everything else, so yes, Nowa question for you.
Why did men have to put up withthat bait and switch from women
?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
What Changing the way they look?

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah, they start off looking one way.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
And that is very easy .

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, there's a genetic I'm joking, I'm going to
go through it there's a geneticpredisposition that creates a
preference in men for women thathave a lot of what is a
technical term for it that Idon't remember, but it's

(46:53):
actually.
It's essentially excess energyor excess food.
So essentially, it's the sameexact reason that female
peacocks look at the malepeacock's tail, and the more
ornate and the more cool-lookingthe peacock's tail is, the more

(47:13):
they're going to be willing toget impregnated by the male
peacock.
I guess that would be.
The peahens would be gettingimpregnated by the peacock.
Because what that taledemonstrates is that I live in a
place that provides for mynutritional values so well that
I can afford to throw away abunch of energy, a bunch of

(47:34):
calories, a bunch of food onsomething completely useless.
With one exception the only useof that tail is to demonstrate
the the wealth of theenvironment that I live in that
can provide a good home.
So and there's a one wordtechnical term for it in um uh,

(47:56):
in biology.
I just don't remember what itis but that same concept is the
case in a lot of differentspecies and including humans,
and that's why men look forcertain attributes with women.
It's not just age.
I mean, I'm always kind ofbeing joked about how I like the
22-year-olds, which is true.
I think most women look attheir peak at about 22, and they

(48:20):
start going downhill after that, but it's certainly not true
for 100% of the time, it's justgenerally true.
But beyond age, what you'relooking for is a certain amount
of body fat.
That's why the average guy doesnot like the heroin models that
were chic for a while.
Those women don't lookattractive.

(48:41):
They've gone beyond lookingattractive into looking
unattractive because there's toolittle body fat in there.
Again, it just has to do withthe reason for a man getting
together with a woman is tocreate a child.
There is no other reason.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yes, If a woman has under X amount of body fat,
she's not going to be able toget pregnant.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, exactly, exactly and it's just pure I'm
aware of all this, but I I thinkyou're missing my point and
joke, but it's no, no, I I thinkit's a important topic to talk
about because, uh, it'ssomething that has been tried to
be at least swept under the rugby feminism.
Uh, the second wave and thirdwave feminism for sure is this

(49:25):
idea that somehow men areattracted to feminine, feminine
women, and it's they'reassigning the cause for that as
just, uh, male chauvinism, youknow, as something that has no
basis, no root in science, butit does.
What men are attracted to arefeatures that represent somebody

(49:46):
that has good genetics.
This is why all humans, in fact, are attracted to people that
have very good symmetry left toright in their faces, because
good symmetry shows a lack ofdeterioration of the genetics in
that person.
Like they probably got hit withless sunlight when they were
young.
You know their, uh, theirparents may have gotten hit with

(50:07):
less sunlight.
There's, there's been lessopportunity for their genetics
to get worse, and so that's auniversal appeal.
Kind of characteristics is, ispeople having good symmetry, um,
along the nose, on both sidesof their face.
And then it's the same reasonthat men like women with boobs,
with like bigger boobs.
Why there's a whole industry ofimplants is because it creates

(50:33):
something that men like more,and for women.
It's an opportunity to augmentwhat nature didn't give you with
something that a plasticsurgeon can, and then take
advantage of men's built-ingenetic-based reaction to having
big boobs.
And lately it's not just beenboobs, because a lot of people

(50:54):
are getting ass implants, whichis insane in my opinion, but
nonetheless, it's addressing asimilar thing.
Which is insane in my opinion,but nonetheless it's addressing
a similar thing.
You know I can think of that ascrazy, but I could also imagine
that 50, 60 years from now,maybe 100 years from now, when
genetic manipulation and stemcells is very routine for

(51:15):
everybody, that the idea ofreshaping your body to fit more
of the ideal body profile isgoing to be available.
It may be pricey, it may beexpensive, not everyone may be
able to afford it, but you willabsolutely have people that
right now would have beengetting plastic surgeries, but

(51:37):
50, 60, 100 years from now aregoing to be getting genetic
manipulation and reconstructionfor their bodies.
I was born a little too short.
Not a problem.
We can make your legs keepgrowing even though you're an
adult and get you to the heightyou want.
Your face doesn't looksymmetric enough?
Well, we can fix that.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
You've seen Gattaca right.
Yeah, of course, it's a greatmovie, one of my favorite films
terrifying, but it showstremendous progress that was
made by humanity and,unfortunately, at the cost of a
loss of humanity yeah, which iswhy we should be careful on what
we do and we should not justsay, hey, we can do a thing we

(52:19):
should ask if we shouldn't do athing.
You know that's throwing thebaby out.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Like I love the idea that there are pieces of music
written for piano and gattacathat can only be played by a
person with 12 fingers, likethat's really cool, because when
somebody's going into thatlevel of dedication that they
would actually have more fingersthan the normal person, then

(52:48):
having something that takesadvantage of that is awesome.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, I get why you think that's cool, but if we
look at the history of that, Imean the equivalent of hey, my
parents wanted me to be this, sothey changed me irrevocably to
be this.
It's a total lack of freedomfor that individual at that
point.
You were genetically engineeredto do this.
This is what you're going to do, but I think of the castratos

(53:14):
in Italian society, exactly.
Literally, parents chose tohave their sons castrated so
that they could hit verbatonotes that no one else could.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutelythat's evil?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Well, it is.
It is, but there's alsojustifications for it, like for
example no there is nojustification for cutting
someone's balls off.
There is there always is.
There, is there, always is.
Uh, you know that may have beenthe only path to their child
living a life of wealth insteadof poverty okay, I don't want to

(53:51):
live my life without my balls Idon't either.
But you know what?
I can't speak for everybody.
I I certainly can't speak forall men and say well not a
single man wants to live withouttheir balls.
There are plenty of dudes thatwe've seen that get their balls
cut up.
Oh god, yeah the.
And I'm like this is where thelibertarian part comes.

(54:12):
I was like I'm not gonna tellsomebody not to cut their damn
balls off their own balls, I'mfine.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
If you want to go have your balls surgically
removed, then fine.
Fine by me, go do it.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
But the problem, I have right right, you're not
cutting off your balls, you'recutting off your kids balls the
irony is that 20 years ago, ifsomebody said what you just said
, the, there would be a veryunanimous reaction like that is
just barbaric insanity.
That was practiced 200 yearsago or more.

(54:44):
It's certainly everyoneuniversally would be against it
today, but as we've seen in thelast decade, there's been a huge
resurgence of cutting off yourkids' balls.
Like a ton of moms it seemsmostly not fathers, but mostly
moms seem to want to cut offtheir boys' balls, and they all

(55:08):
put it under the justificationof like well, he told me that he
likes playing with dolls.
Yeah, I like playing withfreaking Star Wars action
figures.
We didn't call them dolls backin the day, but're basically
dolls.
It's just for your imagination.
How is that something tojustify cutting your balls off?

(55:31):
it's crazy, yeah I, I don't know, I wouldn't no uh, but then you
look at thailand, where there'sa whole industry based on
people getting their balls cutoff.
You look at thailand, wherethere's a whole industry based
on people getting their ballscut off and other people coming
from the west.
You know to do things withthose people, so it's.

(55:51):
I don't know.
This is the other thing.
Are you telling me that?
uh, you banged uh some cock inbangkok no, I've never been to
bangkok, but I know five peoplethat have been to bangkok.
At least one of those five, ormaybe two, banging some cockless

(56:13):
men are pretty high?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
yeah, I don't know, man, you've seen photos, I'm
sure yes, unfortunately, I havebeen on the internet for more
than five minutes exactly.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
and so the bottom line is that, especially in in
that country, in thailand, likethe way that women, thai women
look normally, it's not thathard for a dude to look like
that, because they theybasically have very little
upstairs and small butt.
They look like they could bemen, you don't know.
So I understand why that becamepopular out there for a tourism

(56:53):
attraction.
I don't I totally agree with you.
I totally agree with you.
If you want to create anindustry based around a fetish,
I think that there's always anopportunity to get people that
can't get something in their owncountries.
If you offer that type of thing, like Epstein Island, for

(57:15):
example, people couldn't getthat in their own countries.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
When are?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
we going to get the Epstein files Gene.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Never I said this multiple times You're never
going to see them, these things.
If they were honestly revealed,they would take out major
European and americangovernments.
When you have let's do it like30 of the senate being on that

(57:48):
list.
Do you think that list is ever?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
sure it sounds good.
I think it should.
I think it should, along witharrests at the same time of
course it should.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
The problem with epstein's list, in my opinion,
isn't that epstein, you know,created a list, or that he died
in jail before it went public,or whatever.
The problem is that they misseda huge opportunity to blackmail
politicians from all over theworld, or maybe they didn't.

(58:20):
But the bottom line is well,all this talk of like well,
let's see the list yeah, toomany people that are way higher
in power and money than us havesaid no to that question and
therefore it'll never come outwell, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
There's certainly some interesting things about
the JFK files that are comingout.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Your kids may see that list maybe, but certainly
not you.
And if something comes outbefore, it'll be just like JFK
papers that came out 30 yearsago.
It'll just be a super redacted,nothing to see here kind of
thing that no one's going tobelieve anyway.
Super redacted, nothing to seehere, kind of thing that no

(59:03):
one's going to believe anyway.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Um, I mean the jfk files.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I think we're finding a lot of stuff in them yeah,
because everybody's dead already, so there's not the pressure to
keep them hidden.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah but I mean, there's a lot of stuff coming
out in the jfk files that havegone to epstein's island when
all of them are, you'll have amuch higher chance of getting
the Epstein files than today.
Yeah, sure, I think you knowwhat that.
Or if we can take out 30% ofthe Senate and start over.
I'm all for it, like I reallythink that we need to.

(59:39):
I think we need to burn it down, and I think that's one way of
doing that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I had a conversation with my 86 year old dad, uh,
earlier this week about thistopic and and I said, you know,
my idea is very straightforwardthat the we can all agree that
the best form of government thatwe have is the one we've got,
but it's also not a very goodform of government, and my way
to fix it or make it better isto make government be not

(01:00:09):
something that people do bychoice, but rather something
that they do by lottery.
Much in the same way that juriesbecome juries by lottery, when
people that are in governmentdon't want to be in government,
then they'll make less decisionsto make things bad for

(01:00:31):
everybody else because they wantto get out of there as quickly
as possible.
The other thing aside frominstead of voting for people
just to have a lottery systemfor it is to also have a maximum
term of either four or fiveyears, and nobody can.
So it's sort of like you'vebeen on juries for 10 times
already.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
You're never going to get called to a jury again
after that same kind of well,one of the things I would say is
a lottery system like that, um,with some vetting, I'm fine
with um, what I would also sayis take your idea a little bit
further.
Um, if you want to have a say atall, you have to register for

(01:01:15):
the draft, and that draft caneither be to go fight in a war,
or it can be to lead the country.
You don't know which one it'sgoing to be, but you've got to
go register for that draft.
And then the other thing I wouldsay is give the people who
registered for that draft thevoting rights and say, okay, out
of the, the pool for ourleaders for the next four years
are these people and for theseareas, you, you know, go on and

(01:01:39):
you can campaign or not, or dowhatever, but vote them in, vote
them down whatever Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
So you still have some semblance of representation
, you're losing the main benefitof a lottery, which is to
prevent any kind of specialinterest pressure, because as
soon as you add, even from asmall list voting.
There'll be groups that willdonate money like crazy to get
their people in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Sure, but they can't If you make it a random lottery
up front on who can run, then Ithink you did the lottery that
is far better.
That is far better than theself-selected egomaniacs that we
have right now, anything isbetter than that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
But no, you do a lottery, you basically you have
like two teenagers from eachstate come together and compete
in the games.
Oh, I like this, you like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a great idea To the death?

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Well, obviously, to the death.
What other kind of games isthere?
We build a tremendous stadium,probably like in Kansas or
someplace in the middle of thecountry, so it's equidistant for
people to get to.
And then we set up a wholechallenging obstacle course with
, like fake rain and floodingand lightning and everything

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else, as they're competingagainst each other and we have
thousands of cameras watching itall and broadcasting it.
Uh, you know, it's um.
I think something like thatwould be a great way to
determine who should run ourgovernment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Agreed, but again, I don't think it should just be
pulled from the general public.
I think it should be enoughself-selection of people who
want to take it seriously enoughto say yes, I will go fight and
die for my country.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, yeah, maybe do the inverse of that right.
So if you want to be excludedfrom the lottery, then you give
up your citizenship rights, sure, but I agree with your general
idea there, if you know what Imean, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I do.
Let me ask you a totallydifferent question.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Okay, have you tried pickle juice, lemonade?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Have you heard of pickle juice lemonade?
No, okay, I thought it was aSouthern thing.
It must just be a new thing.
So I tried it.
I've never heard of it.
A few weeks ago.
There's a number of restaurants,including Popeye's, that are
selling it right now.
But it's basically just whatyou think.
It's lemonade tasting lemonadewith.

(01:04:27):
Take a jar of pickles and pourout about I don't know half a
cup, quarter cup of that picklejuice into your lemonade.
So it has both the flavor oflemon and sweetness and the
flavor of pickled vinegar.
Pretty damn good and it seemslike a very good kind of warm

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weather drink.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I mean I've had various pickle things.
I'll have to try that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
And boy did I have some pickles in New York when I
went to the delis out there.
I was staying in Crown Heights.
If anybody knows what CrownHeights is, you know it's an
area with a lot of delis forsome random reason A bougie area
, Not really, I mean.

(01:05:21):
It's definitely getting more so, but I wouldn't call it that.
Right now it is the secondlargest population of Hasidic
Jews in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Ah, those should be avoided at all costs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
For anti-Semites sure yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Totally just Uh-huh, but the you never know when
they're going to pop out of theground man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Yeah, I know, I was very careful when I was walking
on the sidewalks because therecould be one popping out of the
ground at any moment Exactly,you never know.
And uh, but I did have my, mytaxi driver, my uber driver,
whatever you want to call him,chauffeur dude, uh, on passover.
As soon as I got in the car,his first question was like what

(01:06:10):
?
You're not?
Uh, you're not celebratingpassover, you're not doing
sabbath, what are you doing?
I'm like I'm going to a wedding, but yeah, there's certainly a
lot of generalization that youcan talk about there.

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My niece kept bitching about howthese, these Hasidic Jews don't
watch where they're going andthey're like crossing streets
and you know, walking from thecars and stuff, and every time
she looked like she was about torun over one, I had to point
out to her that he has a walkingsignal.
What are you doing?
You're?
You're trying to run on the redlight or turn on the red.
He's trying to cross the streetwhen it says walk.

(01:06:55):
So it was pretty funny Cause,uh, in her mind they're all just
getting in front of her car.
But the reality was a littledifferent.
But anyway, I was starting totalk about pickles, because
that's the one thing that youstart seeing in delis in New
York that you don't even see indelis here, right here, if you
go to a deli and there's somedecent delis oh, and,

(01:07:18):
incidentally, katz opened up inAustin.
I need to go check that outbecause they were only in
Houston.
I don't know what that is, katzDeli.
Okay, it's a Jewishdelicatessen, but anyway, most
delis have pickles, right, soyou can buy either a whole
pickle or sliced pickles orwhatever, but they're just one
type of pickle.

(01:07:40):
In delis in New York, you canhave a variety of pickles that
you can buy.
There.
You have the traditional sortof you know, kosher dills, and
then you've got the what werefer to as low-sol or like just
starting to brine pickles,which tastes quite different.

(01:08:04):
You've got pickles that aremeant to be eaten with meat and
then you have pickles that aremeant to be only eaten by
themselves.
So there's an interestingvariety of pickles available out
there, but pickle juice was notavailable in any of these

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places, which I thought wasinteresting, but is available
down here in Austin.
Okay, things you learn.
What do you know the more youknow Exactly.
What else did I miss while Iwas gone?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
What do you?
I mean?
I, I mean, I didn't like yousaid.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I didn't really pay attention to the news for about
a week, so basically fuck-offstance to these judges on these
international issues.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
And the Supreme.
Court did rule that if he werefreed and he was able to come
back, that the administrationshould facilitate his return.
But you know they agreed thatno, we can't, our we cannot
force el salvador to give him up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
So yeah, and he's in prison for violating their own
laws.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
it's absolutely the the, the insanity, the the way
the left keeps choosing thesehills to die on that are, just
quite frankly, utterly insane.
I don't know what to do exceptgo good, keep doing it, let them
talk, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Yeah, it is insanity.
It is absolutely insanity.
There's no two ways about it.
This is absolutely insanity.
There's no two ways about it.
They literally go off of theopposite of whatever Trump likes
, regardless of whether Trump isright or not, Like they just

(01:10:15):
take the opposite position.
They've really taken to heartbeing the loyal opposition, even
on matters that don't requirean opposition.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I don't know if they're being loyal or if
they're being just morons.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I say the term loyal opposition meaning somebody that
has no direct opinion of theirown other than to oppose
anything the other side is doing.
That's kind of the loyalopposition definition.
They're not loyal to you or thecountry.
They're loyal to the fact thatthey will always oppose, no

(01:10:54):
matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Should I get Beef Forma?
I'm sorry, should I get BeefForma or?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Euro Beef Forma.
Okay, I've got to go pick up aSam's order here in a little bit
.
I was getting food while I wasout.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yeah Well, I mean, I don't want to interrupt the flow
of conversation, it's just Irealize what time it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
I need to order food, so yeah, we're doing for those
who don't know.
We're recording this in anevening and trying to make it.
Traditionally it's in themornings, but yeah they were
east you know, easter weekend so, and we didn't want to leave
y'all two uh, two shows likedarren with his you know choice
to have all kinds of medicalthings done to him, like what?

(01:11:46):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
thinking he should have done the podcast instead he
should have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I don't know what you know whatever it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Um, so yeah, I I just being in new york.
Well, there's a.
Let me give you a little moreabout new york than while you're
thinking of other things Imissed.
Uh, did you know that theirubers are cheaper than ours?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
but how so?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
well, by the hour, which is really the only metric
that matters to the driver andto the company is how long is
the car going to be busy for acertain amount of money.
So, if you like, my ride fromthe airport to the house was 45
minutes and it was about 55dollars, so a little more than a

(01:12:44):
little more than a buck aminute, like, let's say, a buck
25 a minute.
When I arrived in austin, myride of 10 minutes was 32
dollars.
Now that that's about threebucks a minute, and these are
for the equivalent class ofvehicles, everything else being

(01:13:05):
the same, and I took a bunch ofuber rides.
I think I spent about 300 buckson ubers in new york, but, but
I spent a lot of time in theubers.
I mean, it's not, it wasn't 300bucks for 10 minutes worth of
service, it was for hours worthof uber rides.
Um, where it's not cheaper is bythe mile.
But I don't think by the mile isa fair way to compare it,

(01:13:28):
because did you know I did notknow this until I saw it did you
know that the maximum speedlimit on the entirety of
manhattan and pretty much most,if not all, of brooklyn, is 25
miles an hour.
What 25 miles an hour?
Those streets with like six orseven lanes on them, you're not

(01:13:53):
allowed to drive more than 25.
Okay, it's you know, don't askme, but at those speeds it does
take a half hour to go fivemiles.
And so, by the mile, the Uberis a crappy value because you're

(01:14:15):
doing five miles and it takesyou half an hour or longer and
that half an hour ride is goingto be like 30 bucks, 35 bucks,
but.
But if you look at it by time,which is the real metric that
you know both the guys drivingin the company, the uber company
and taxi companies look at, isthe cost per hour, and the cost

(01:14:39):
per hour is definitely higher inAustin than it is in New York.
Another thing that surprised mein New York, guess how much
gasoline or how much gasstations were charging for
gasoline Five bucks a gallonNope 220 a gallon.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Wow, hey, that's comparable.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I know that's comparable.
I know that's what I thoughtI'm like.
Holy shit, how about what I'mpaying here?

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
So that was.
That's shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
I know, I agree.
I agree Because I thought itwould be like California, which
is five bucks, but it's not Forwhatever reason.
Gas is cheap out there, butit's not for whatever reason Gas
is cheap out there.
Now, I didn't get into too muchdetail on electrical pricing,
but it sounded like it actuallywas very comparable to Austin.

(01:15:30):
It wasn't particularly high.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Austin's pretty high for the state, though it's true,
true story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Here's something that was absolutely two to three
times more expensive than austin, and that is the cost for
drinks I don't think I saw thatwhole tax.
Is that what it is?
I didn't see a single drink forless than twenty dollars yeah,

(01:15:57):
like there's that whole taxthing yeah.
Yeah, it must be, because Idon't really drink anymore, but
it still seemed like all thedrink prices and menus were
crazy high, like you could get asteak meal for $35, $40, and

(01:16:19):
then you would get a singlemartini for that for $35, $40.
And then you would get a singlemartini for that for $20.
Like what I'm used to, martinisbeing like $7, not $20.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
So that was a Depends on where you're at, though, too
.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Yes, but I'm going to comparable types of places both
in Austin and and in new york.
Um, same steak price, justdifferent price.
And drinks is my point, I guess.
Uh, food quality very good, butI expected food quality to be
very good every place we went,both restaurants and catered

(01:16:58):
meals, and everything was verytasty, very much top quality.
But I kind of expected that tobe the case.
The weather absolutely sucks inNew York.
I don't know why people livethere.
It rained and it was between 30and 40 degrees every day.

(01:17:20):
I mean, it was basically fromslushy weather to just starting
to warm up weather I don't knowwhy anyone would want to live in
new york.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
It smells, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I really don't um and you know having relatives that
live there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
It's like you people are crazy yeah, I mean new york
city smells like especially inthe summer, like rotten milk
right, so smell that's a good,good point to bring up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Uh, new york definitely has a smell right now
.
It's not, it's cold, right, sothere's no rotting anything
smell, but it smells, and you'llrecognize the smell, like burnt
tires.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
You know what I'm talking about.
I do.
Why does?

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
it smell like burnt tires.
It smells like marijuana,because it's legal in New York
City and every fucking person ispuffing on marijuana.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Well, I mean, if you're going to live in New York
City, you might as well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
There's a haze just kind of hovering over New York
from all the exhaled marijuanabreath.
You know I'm used to smellingthat if I go to a music concert
or something or one of thoseplaces hippies hang out.
I'm not used to that smell justlike in every fucking part of

(01:18:41):
the city.
I'm not used to that smell.
Just like in every fucking partof the city.
That is definitely a morerecent, I think, smell of New
York.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
else I don't know.
Do you want to get back to thenews?

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Well, this is news.
I mean, I'm doing a report fromabroad, report from a different
country.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
You got items, let's let's talk about them well, so
today, one of the things thatcame out and I think you'll like
this, I think you'll likehearing this but the trump
administration said if therearen't significant moves in the
ukrainian peace talks soon,they're going to walk away from

(01:19:23):
them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Yeah, I heard that.
I'm not sure what that means,though.
Are they going?

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
to walk away from negotiations.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Are they going to walk away from giving Ukraine
money, or where are they goingto walk away from?

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
I think they're going to walk away from Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Yeah, I mean, I could see, see that interpretation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
I'm not sure that is what they meant, though what do
you think they mean?
You think they're gonna doubledown and go into war with russia
?

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
I don't know.
I think they're.
They're saying that we're gonnastop trying to play peacemaker
and negotiate and we'll just goback to the status quo, which is
we don't really do anything ortalk about it.
We just keep sending weapons toukraine.
I don't think we're going tokeep sending.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Not happy with russia either.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Right, they're not happy that russia isn't jumping
head over heels trying tonegotiate a peace.
Um, which would be shocking ifrussia did, because russia's
winning big time right now.
They're capturing territory ata much faster pace than they've
ever been able to capture it, soit's a it's a bad time for
russia to stop advancing,because that's what they would

(01:20:34):
be doing.
It's not a well peace, it's astoppage of advancement what?

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
what needs to happen is advancement.
What what needs to happen isokay.
If that is true and I believe,like you, that it is why is
zalinski not begging to get thepeace talks done, even without a
ceasefire or anything else, andmake concessions and stop this?
Well, because he's alwayswanted to work.

(01:20:59):
Because, okay, but if you don't, if you don't make concessions
and get that in writing and stopyeah um, then guess what the
odds of the entire countrygetting walked over?

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
pretty high.
But but I think zelensky iswilling to sacrifice the country
of Ukraine just to getinvolvement from European
countries to attack Russia.
Like Ukraine was always a pawnin this, it's a throwaway piece.
But I think it's even athrowaway piece to Zelensky

(01:21:37):
Because the way that he's madeall his money is by doing the
bidding of the neocons, whichhe's always done, and that
bidding had nothing to do withUkraine, or at least, let's say,
very little to do with Ukraine,and it had a lot more to do
with the repartitioning ofRussia for American interests,

(01:22:06):
for American interests.
And so it was never aboutquote-unquote saving Ukraine,
because Ukraine did everythingit possibly could to get to the
point of being attacked byRussia.
They broke every treaty.
They kept shelling people onthe eastern side of Ukraine who
are ethnically Russian.
I mean, if there was, if thiswas any other country, it would
have been called ethniccleansing and genocide.
But because they're russianpeople, well, who cares doesn't

(01:22:29):
matter.
It's not ethnic cleansing orgenocide, it's well, I mean, I
agree with ukraine fighting fortheir own good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Neither what nothing I was making a joke yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, but it's um.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
So I think, in as much as uh previously, to trump
biden that said you know we'll,we'll keep fighting russia until
the last ukrainian.
Um, I think zelensky is of thesame mindset that they'll keep
fighting until the lastukrainian, because he's not
fighting for ukraine, he'sfighting for his handlers in the

(01:23:03):
US.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Well, anyway, it'll be interesting to see what the
Trump admin does.
My interpretation is thatthey're going to say ah, fuck it
, Russia, do whatever you want,we're done.
We've spent enough money.
We've tried to help them.
They don't want to listen.
Fuck it, we're done.
We we've spent enough moneywe've tried to help them.
They don't want to listen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
We're done well, yeah , but there's also a um nuclear
option that they could do.
What's that, uh, that europecould do?
Who I mean by they is europe,uh, europe, if they, if they
feel like the United States hasjust given Ukraine to Russia,

(01:23:46):
and I don't know why the hellmost of Europe, or at least the
EU probably not necessarily thepeople in Europe, but the
government of Europe why they'vegot such a stick up their ass
for Russia, but I think they'reextremely likely to move
European troops into Ukraineunilaterally and place them in

(01:24:15):
an active fighting combat zoneand then the first actual attack
or death coming as a result ofrussia, they're going to point
the finger at it and say see,this is what we've been warning
everybody about, even though ithappens in ukraine.
Um, and this is now a nato war,and so every NATO country,

(01:24:39):
including US, has to now defendother NATO members.
Yes, we happen to be fightingon the territory of Ukraine, but
we were the ones that werebeing attacked and we're the
ones that are part of NATO.
It's a way to get the USkicking and screaming, you know,
through NATO into a hot war inukraine.

(01:25:02):
I think this is their nuclearoption and this is something
that they are right nowconsidering the optics of doing
okay.
Now I again I don't know why Ireally like these countries.
15 years ago, 10 years ago evenwere content with trading with

(01:25:24):
Russia as a large trade partner,buying cheap resources like oil
from Russia, selling Europeangoods to Russia.
And now they've given all ofthat up, their economies are
shit and now they're willing tohave nuclear war.
I don't really understand whatled them to that, but I think

(01:25:47):
that's kind of where they are.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
I don't think that that's.
I mean, that may be where thegovernment and the elites who
think that they are just goingto be just fine and dandy are
but, I, don't think that's wherethe people are.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
I don't think that's where the majority of the people
are at all, but I thinkEuropeans have ceded control of
europe to their governments inthe matter that they can't take
back sort of a french stylerevolution.
We're more likely to see the ukand france become caliphates
officially and institute shariathan we are to see the ethnic

(01:26:20):
people of france and the ukretake their own countries back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
I think that's a lower percentage odds well I'm
not the uk listeners and the eulisteners.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Get off, you know.
Get off your ass yeah, I just.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
I think part of the problem is they've been
conditioned for the last 50, 60years by the us being the parent
figure and being in charge ofprotecting them, to just not be
self-deterministic.
They're just used to doingwhatever somebody tells them to
do, and that includes both thegovernments of europe and the uh
citizens of europe well, we'llsee.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
So anyway, we'll see how that turns out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Well, we know I think that there's a way forward and
there could be a peace settled,and all that needs to happen
right now is an offer to russiawith conditions, because
everyone kept sayingunconditional, unconditional.
You can't have unconditionalpeace, because that's called
rearming ceasefire and nobodywants that.

(01:27:28):
Well, that's not true.
Russia doesn't want that.
Ukraine certainly does wantthat.
They want to have a ceasefirewhile they're rearming.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Well, I mean Ukrainians are drafting children
.
They lower the age.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, Ukraine's population isless than half of what it was
three years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Wow Now the amount of .

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Ukrainian women out there looking for help is
astonishing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Yeah amazingly, Ukrainian women have had no
problems whatsoever leavingUkraine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
They seem to be inundated with offers to leave
ukraine.
Yeah, uh, now I this could bepropaganda, but what I've, the
word I received from russia isthat, uh, they have the highest
numbers of volunteers signing upfor military service right now

(01:28:22):
than they've had in the lastthree years.
Everyone thinks the end isclose and they want to get on
their $50,000 bonuses forjoining the military and then
serve the least amount of timepossible because things are
coming to an end, and so rightnow, where there may very well
have been a difficulty ingetting additional soldiers for

(01:28:46):
Russia, is definitely not thecase right now.
Right now, I think there's alot of people that maybe were a
little above the standard draftage that are going to be willing
to go back in order to get thatcheck for 50 grand yeah, so
real quick, just to bolster myown opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Uh, here bloomberg is reporting that the us is
planning to recognize crimea asrussian territory officially, so
that would again go to myanalysis of hey, screw it, we're
done here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
I think if the US recognized Crimea and the three
separatist districts thatofficially voted to become part
of Russia, if the US did that,it's going to be hard for
European countries to opposethat.
They still might.
They don't refer to the Gulf ofAmerica as the Gulf of Mexico
or the other way around.
They don't refer to the gulf ofamerica as the gulf of america.

(01:29:44):
They still call it gulf ofmexico in the uk and eu.
Um, they've said they have zeroplans to change that which is so
stupid, because it's the gulfof america literally means the
american continent, not theunited.
It's not the gulf of the unitedstates of america it's actually
more immersive.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Yes, yeah, it's more inclusive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
What the fuck?
That's the kind of shit thatthey would be pulling, but of
course now they don't want tobecause trump did it all right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
So last, last, last topic.
I want to bring up the blueorigin, katie perry the
goddesses launch.
Yes, the penis launch, thepenis full of goddesses, yes
well, no, she said when the therecording, when, when she they
were looking at the moon.

(01:30:31):
Instead of uh, oh my god, itwas oh my goddess oh, yeah, and
she was wearing a fuckingbaphomet outfit Like what the
fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
You can't make this shit up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
You think Baphomet is a goddess?
No comments, but anyway, it'sjust.
It's crazy to me, dude thatthis is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
To me the part that's funny is just how fake the
whole thing looks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
I'm not saying you there are a lot of people asking
if this was faked.
I know there.
There are a lot of peoplesaying that this looks faked it
looks totally fake.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
That's like they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
They didn't have the live stream from orbit like they
did uh you know well, theydidn't even orbit, right they
just go up when bezos went, yeahyeah, but they didn't have that
.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
They had video later and the video looks like the
video is basically them throwinga bunch of toys around while
looking into a selfie camera,like they're all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Yeah, I don't know their phones, I'm kind of
surprised that not none of themtook a a dildo with them and did
something like that, based offof their attitudes and actions.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
But dude, the whole rocket is a dildo, it's.
It is the most ridiculouslyshaped phallic rocket ever.
It's basically bezos's penisrocket, come ride the bezos
penis.
I mean rocket, and oh, and didyou see chat?
Not even, not even grok chat.
Gpt, when asked, described thebezos rocket as barely more than

(01:32:19):
an expensive amusement ride.
Like that's the definition ofit and it's totally what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
I mean it goes up.
You're not even reaching orbitno, no, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
I mean, they're pretending they are, but not
really, it's certain.
Like would I like to do it.
Sure, I'd love to look out of awindow and see the curvature of
the earth.
That would be a fun thing to do.
But please, you can't refer toyourself as an astronaut after
doing that.
And that's essentially whatthey're selling.
They're like go be an astronaut, ride our space rocket now,

(01:32:51):
unlike what musk did, becauseyou saw, last week there was the
first ever um polar orbitrocket private launch yes, with
people who were not astronauts,so that was a genuine record
they went yeah, they did severalorbits around the earth,

(01:33:14):
absolutely in in orbit, beforecoming back down.
That's way more than theamusement ride and the fact that
even of official astronautsthere's been just like you can
count on one hand probably thenumber of people that have done
a polar orbit in a spaceship.
It's a very small club, so likethat's actually cool.

(01:33:36):
What bezos did is kind of it'sthe weakest version of anything
that you could call a space uhride.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
So anything else on the rocket front no, I just
think, uh, it's very interestingto see what's what here.
You know, I I think I think,looking at some of the footage
and what was said, it's justegregiously like, it's just it's
.
I would have been, it wouldhave been better if god would

(01:34:14):
have just smoked them.
You know, that was a thingbefore the flight.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
A number of people said this oh yeah, is that?

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
does bezos want to get rid of his girlfriend?
Yeah, did they not get married?

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
no, okay, engaged yeah that that chick has the
most expensive boob job in theworld, apparently what does
spending more like okay and?
it's probably made of genuineboobs of other women or
something, I don't know.
Uh, the.

(01:34:47):
The thing that was so fuckingfunny to watch, too, is that
when they landed right, uh the,the girls open the door up
because they want to get out andtake selfies with everybody and
talk about how cool what theydid is.
And so they open the door upand are immediately toward no,

(01:35:12):
no, no, no, no, jeff will openit for you.
And so they had to reclose thedoor to the capsule.
And then there's Bezos walkingwith his giant wrench to free
the women from their confinementin his penis head, and then he
goes and opens up the door.
I mean, it's again.

(01:35:33):
I'm not saying it was fake, butmy god, did they go out of
their way to try and make itlook fake?
Yeah, I agree, it is nuts wayto try and make it look fake.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Yeah, I agree, it is nuts.
Anyway, regardless, it wasinteresting.
Their reaction to it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
I think is interesting in telling there you
go yep, all right, well, withthat, I guess we can wrap things
up.
Hopefully I don't sound like uh, like my oh, you sound like
you've eaten a frog yeah, yeah,it's kind of what I feel like.
I feel like there's something inmy throat trying to climb its

(01:36:21):
way back out.
Uh, not a pleasant feeling, tobe sure.
But uh, hey, first cold flu.
Whatever it is, I don't knowwhat it is, but it's the first
one I've had in three years.
So I can't, I can't bitch toomuch, as rare as these things
happen well, I hope you get tofeeling better, gene.

(01:36:42):
Well, thanks, ben and you havea good flight if you're doing
that before our next showshouldn't be taking any planes
next week, but we'll see, butyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
I'll be in DC the week of the 5th and then I'll be
in dc.
I'll be in dc the week of thethe fifth and then I'll be in
dallas the week of the the nextweek.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
So like I'm, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be busy we
gotta do our uh get together oneof these days too, because I've
been saving up shit to give youfor like a year same here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
I've literally got a box that sits here with stuff in
it for you, yep yeah all rightman, later all right man later.

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