116 Just Two Good Old Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Howdy Ben.
How are you, gene?
I am well.
I am back from the swamp, mmm.
Louisiana, mmm, a little morenorth, mmm.
I was in DC this last week Iwas in Richmond.
Yeah, exactly, oh man, thattown.
It just every time I go therefrustrates the living hell out

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of me.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I had to.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hookers in that town.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, there's that.
I had to fly into BWI because Iwas meeting.
I had some meetings in Marylandand Hanover, and so that means
I can't take a gun.
I am at the mercy of whateveris happening.
Anyway, then I had meetings inReston, so I had to drive down

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to Reston and that's just not apleasant drive, especially with
DC traffic and everything else.
Yeah, traffic there alwayssucks.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, it's crazy, ironically, some of the best
roads that when I've been on thesea in the, when I've been in
DC, I've been during snow stormsbecause the locals don't know
how to drive in snow.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, not that you probably do either, and they
just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Dude, I lived in Idaho for 10 years.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, dude, I lived in Idaho for 10 years.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Yeah, you got that snowexperience.
But it was always funny to mebecause when I used to fly out
there and it was forecast to besnowing, I always got a car with
the skinniest tires possible.
And the rental guys neverunderstood.
They're like well, don't youwant like a 4x4?

(01:44):
I'm like no, four by four isstop, exactly like every other
car in snow.
What I want is something thathas the highest pounds per
square inch on tires and thatway you can actually maintain a
better guidance instead offloating over the fucking snow.
And big fat, chunky tires.
Big fat, chunky tires.

(02:08):
Uh, but you know, most peoplethat live mid-coastal don't have
that type of experience.
Where, in minnesota much likeidaho, probably, you know we got
like good six months worth ofsnow driving experience every
year.
So you, you start figuring out.
It's like, hey, there's areason that the corvettes are
spinning out, but but theselittle tiny Honda Civics are
going in a straight lineFront-wheel drive helps as well.

(02:32):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Four-wheel drive is also, I think, beneficial.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I think, four-wheel drive is beneficial when there's
patches, because there's sometires that can have grip, but
when you're going on fresh snowjust falling right in front of
you, it really doesn't make anydifference.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
And when there's black ice, it doesn't matter at
all.
None of it, you're just fucked.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
This is an old saying but it's so true and I remember
this.
I haven't been back to minnesotain many years, but uh, they
always say when you look at theside of the road in the storm
storm, you'll always notice alot more four by fours on the
side of the road than two-wheeldrive cars.
And it's because guys thinkthat four by four gives them

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them superior traction and itdoesn't because it, while you
can accelerate better if there'sa patch of snow on one side of
tire, on one side of yourvehicle, but nothing on the
other side, your braking isexactly the same as any, every
other vehicle, and so that extrakind of confidence that you get

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in a 4x4 tends to actually workagainst you when the road
conditions are horrible.
So it's a different thing whenyou're trying to slowly creep
somewhere where 4x4 is actuallygoing to help you, where the
traction isn't going to get lostbecause the tires spin.
But when you're talking aboutgoing on the highway during snow

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, it's very equalized and the4x4 guys all seem to think that
they have hey, I got a 4x4, Ican go faster.
What?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
no, you can't well, uh, so I'll tell you a story, um
, and then we've got a ton toget into, but we were off a week
because I was sick, you weresick, and there was a DC trip
involved.
So you know, therefore, it iswhat it is.

(04:41):
It is what it is, but myparents were moving back to
Texas from Idaho and my dad andI were on our way down.
We had his truck, and this wasJanuary.
I had been up there forChristmas break and we're coming

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down.
You know it, it's january.
So we're going through wyomingand it's a whole big thing,
right, a bad snowstorm closingroads right behind us, right, as
we're going through stuff andI'm plugging along, I'm steady
state driving and this I thinkit was an Audi or a BMW blows
past us.
Right, I'm doing like 30 on theinterstate because it's icy,
it's nasty, I'm not going fast,I'm towing a trailer.

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I've got a very overloadedtruck.
You know, allegedly, yes,anyway.
So I just he blows past me.
You know, just like what thefuck are you doing, dude?
Why are you going so slow?
And a few miles later he spunoff in the ditch.
And I start braking, trying tostop to go help him, and after a

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mile and a half of braking andnot really slowing down a lot, I
just gave up, because that'show icy.
It was Right, it was justenough snow on top that you
could maintain right, left, butthere was no just you.
You don't slam on your brakesin that instance.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
There is no way.
I I had a somewhat similarincident in Minnesota last few
years.
I lived there.
I had a Subaru WRX STI.
I was Fun little car.
Yes, I sold the car because Iknew it would kill me if I

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didn't, but probably the funnestcar I've ever had.
But there was a moment where Iwas going down the highway that
was after snow, it was very,very icy roads and the guy in
the left lane was going like 30miles an hour and I was getting
annoyed by this because I've gota car that's probably better

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suited to this than a lot ofother cars.
But I got tired of followinghim and he wouldn't leave the
left lane, which was annoying.
So I got in the right lane andI started passing this fucker
and I'm you know I'm passing himat a good like two miles an
hour faster than he's going.

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So it's a slow motion passright.
I'm not zooming past him, I'mclosing in on him to where you
can literally see that I'mgetting like a foot closer.
And then finally I'm just aheadof him and I'm looking forward
and probably about 100 yardsahead of him and I'm looking
forward and probably about 100yards ahead of me is another car

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, but he is clearly going slowerthan both of us and I don't
have the room yet to get infront of the guy in the left
lane.
So I'm like, uh-oh, I'm doingthe math in my head.
I'm like, at the rate ofacceleration I will not have

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enough room to get in front ofhim.
Even cutting them off I won'thave enough room.
And that's assuming he's notaccelerating, because he wants
to be a dick and doesn't want mein front of him and this car.
So it's at some point, probablylike 60 yards before the car in
front of me is, you know, likeI've gotten to within 60 yards

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of the guy in front of me.
I realized, okay, this isn'tgoing to work.
I need to start slowing down.
So I squeeze the brakes I don'tslam on the brakes, I squeeze
the brakes gently and nothinghappens.
Little squeeze the brakesgently and nothing happens.
And I keep squeezing the brakesmore.
And I have something I've hadvery, very few times in my life

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I have a four-wheel lockup oof I.
I thought you said you crappedyourself, but I guess that that
came after the what I get.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I was gonna guess that you said you crapped
yourself but I'm guessingthere's no crap involved.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
But I have a four-wheel lockup and I know I
have a four-wheel lockup becausemy heart's beating about 140
beats per minute.
Right, my hands are gripping thewheel and holding it exactly
steady, pointing forward,because I don't want to also
spin out and start swirlingaround.
But my car, even though mywheel is straightforward, my

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foot's on the brake and I've got, obviously, anti-lock brakes
really good brake system onthere but the wheels are not
moving because the car is justsliding and it's slowly starting
to point slightly to the rightand and while I'm holding the
wheel straight.
And so I'm like okay, what aremy options here?

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Because I ditch?
I'm, but I can't get in theditch because I have no traction
, right, that's the thing.
So what I'm seeing is I'mgetting closer and closer to the
guy in front of me.
This is all moving traffic.
No one stopped, but the guy inthe left lane is probably going
about 35.
At this point I've slowed downfrom going 37 down to also going

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35.
The guy in front of me isprobably going 30.
So it's all in slow motionbecause the differences between
our speeds are not that greatbut I'm slowly starting to feel.
Okay.
The guy on my left is startingto get ahead of me still not far
enough ahead of me that I canget behind them either.
Not that I have any traction toget, because I'm sliding and

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I'm literally watching myself asthe left corner, the driver's
side corner of the front of mycar, is getting closer and
closer to the bumper of the carin front of me.
But again, the difference inour speeds is, by that point,
less than one mile an hour.
So it's all like slow motionwhere I can still see I'm faster

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than him.
I'm getting closer, I'm like,well, I mean, I'm gonna bump
into him.
There's nothing to be done here.
Um, the you know, I I've.
I don't want to also just letgo of the brake right now,
because if one of my wheelscatches, I'm gonna start
spinning with one car just infront of me and another car to
my left.
I, if I'm gonna hit something,I'd rather hit one car than two.

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So I kind of am preparedmentally for it.
And I see his bumper disappearfrom my view because my hood is
now, you know, not letting melook down far enough.
So they're clearly my bumperand his bumper are about to
touch I'm bracing for impactthere and that that moment feels

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like it's hanging in the airfor about 10 minutes, because
time slows down when you're insituations like this.
Yeah, your journal is pumping myheart's pumping, my adrenaline
glands putting out everything itcan.
Uh, it's a you know fight orflight, but neither is possible
at this point.
You're an observer in thesituation the slow motion crash

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and I don't see his bumper andit feels like it lasts forever.
But I also don't feel anythingand I slowly see his car start
the guy in front of me pullingfurther from me as well as the
guy to my left.
Now it's pulled far enough awayto where that lane is free and
I'm I just do nothing and inabout.

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Probably realistically it wasprobably 30 seconds, but it felt
like about 10 minutes yeah, mycar finally slows down to about
10 miles an hour, at which andthere's no cars around me at
which point I feel comfortableenough letting go of the brake.
And as soon as I let go of thebrake, I get the little jerky
thing to where you know.
It finally starts catchingtraction enough to where the

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direction of the wheel makes animpact.
I straighten out it.
It probably took me anotherhalf hour before I felt
comfortable enough, driving at35, 40 miles an hour, because I
was just like I'm I'm justdriving slow on the highway in
the right lane, not gonna pass adamn thing, while my brain is

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processing, like you know, inthe parallel.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
How close did I just come to dying?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
How the fuck did, and it was.
I didn't even feel like I wouldhave died, but I knew that I
would have been the cause of atleast one and possibly two car
accident Like at the worst caseI would have hit one guy in the
bumper Obviously my fault.
I was obviously being an idiot,going faster in the right lane
than I should have been andtrying to pass somebody on the

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right in icy conditions.
I mean, there's like a lot ofstupidity that happened.
And by uh, had I believed ingod, I would say by the grace of
god, I would you know I wasthis close to being in that
accident.
It didn't happen, obviouslypure randomness in the universe,
but still it's one of thosemoments that really kind of

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makes you pucker.
Now, no pooping involved, likeI said, not my thing, but boy,
was every orifice tight in mybody.
At that point I can imagineyeah, yeah, it was crazy,
because there there was shitthat I got away with in that
card that I shouldn't have myone of my also crazy, fun
experiences.
Then we'll move on to politics.

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In that car was and again, mebeing an idiot and an asshole.
I was behind a guy making aright turn.
He was too slow for my likingand this is not in the winter,
this is during normal weather,right?
Uh, too slow for my likingmaking the right turn.
So I I hit the gas, spun allfour wheels and I did a three

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quarter sideways turn.
I basically drifted throughfrom a right turn of that light
is through the left lane andback into the right lane in
front of this guy.
But while I was drifting, thenose of my car was actually
pointing diagonally right.
So here's a normal dude mindinghis own business making a right

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turn and there's some crazyidiot that is making a lot of
noise, that is passing him inthe left lane sideways, while
his car is pointing at my car.
That's the impression from theother guy's side that I'm
describing.
So, yeah, and the car totallylet me do that Like, that car

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had the most controllable driftof any car I've ever driven.
Well, I mean, that's what itwas made for.
It was insane dude.
It just it liked to be goingdiagonally all the time.
Yeah, you went through one setof tires about every 10,000, but
oh my god, which is just acrazy, crazy amount yeah, yeah,

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yeah, I had that car.
When I bought it I had themechanic that worked on the wrc
but actually competed in rallieswork on my car, like as soon as
I took delivery.
I didn't get to play with mycar for three months until, uh,
after buying it, untileverything was finished so new
exhaust, uh, new engine, newturbos that one not a full

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engine but basically a wholeshit ton of different upgrades
that were slapped on that card.
Uh, it sounded just like thethat car in Need for Speed video
game.
It sounded just like that.
You have the whooshing soundfrom the turbo wastegate.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
It had the yeah as soon as you let out the gas.
The yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
The only thing I didn't do in that car and thank
god I didn't was nitrous,because I thought about it.
Could have done it, uh,technically legal, um, as long
as you don't actually use it,but you could have it on the car
.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
But uh, probably in that some bullshit about our
laws.
I know you can have it in there, just don't use it yeah, it's
for uh off-road use only.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's for track yeah, I love that car and
I remember when I sold it, theguy that bought it clearly
wanted the same exact experience.
And uh, and he's like, yeah,yeah.
So now you know, have you takenthis off road?
I'm like, well, I've done a fewrallies with it, but not as a

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rally competitor.
I was like one of the guysvolunteering at rallies.
So I was, I would go down thesame track, but not at speed.
Uh, just for you know, markingthings and checking distances
and whatnot, and so not really.
And so I remember the guy callsme up after I sold the car.
He's like so, uh, we had thecar up on the lift and there

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seemed to be, uh like cornstalks that were stuck to the
underside of the car.
So we were wondering what thatwas.
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,that's not a road route.
No, no, no, I went hunting.
That's uh, that's just drivingover farmland, but you know slow

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speeds, it wasn't like I wasjumping over shit.
It's pretty funny.
The guy was definitely freakedout.
He was like why is there cornstalks stuck to the other side
of your car?

Speaker 1 (18:44):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's happened to memore than once in my truck, not
necessarily corn stalks, but youknow lots of other stuff so
minnesota, you know it's corn's,about the only thing that grows
out there yeah, who plantsanimals?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
ever no one wants to be there, so understandable yeah
, well, it's just, it's the thecrop that the government pays
the most for, uh-huh so so allright let's switch gears.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
We haven't talked since spain and portugal went
into the dark uh, or india andpakistan started world war three
yeah, yeah.
So which one do you want tostart with?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
um, why don't we start with the india and
pakistan, because I've been kindof more up to speed on that,
okay yeah, dude, largest dogfight since world war ii yep
over 125 aircraft you know we'vebeen sitting here watching
russia and ukraine and israeland doing our usual western not

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really involved, but love to becommenting shit and completely
not.
On my bingo card was World WarIII over religion and
specifically happening not inthe Middle East but in the what
would we call India, in thesub-Indian continent.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, the sub-continent of India.
India and Pakistan are both inthe same sub-continent.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, so it was not on my bank card, and now that
Turkey's involved, it's likeJesus Christ.
This could really spin out ofcontrol.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
How is Turkey involved?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh, Turkey's sending troops.
Now to Pakistan.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Oh, I had not heard this.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's a thing.
Yep, they're the one, yeah, andNATO and we're.
This is where NATO is justfucking dead dude, because we're
probably going to come in onthe side of India.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, I don't know that we are, because Russia and
India have a treaty, so we maycome in on the side of Pakistan
on this one.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
No, no way.
No way, because Pakistan'sbacked by China.
There's just no way.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
China would like to get more territory from Pakistan
, for sure, yeah.
So if they want to sellterritory, I'm sure China would
be on their side Again, the bestway to say it is this was not
on my freaking bingo card man.
I have nothing to cross offhere.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
It wasn't on mine either, but you know, Damn yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
So yeah, I think now India does seem to be having the
better victories and all thisstuff.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, India's military is far superior to
Pakistan's, which is part ofwhat's kept Pakistan in check
for a very long time.
They have more number.
It's really Ukraine, russiawrit large again because in a
war of attrition, pakistan loses.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
There's just no way the difference?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
pakistan allegedly has nukes uh, pakistan does have
nukes, and so does india, butthey're pretty small ones would
pakistan or india use theirnukes?
Uh, yes, if, if delhi or islamor um chip.
What's the capital of pakistan?

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Is it islamabad?
Islamabad yeah, yeah.
So if either one werethreatened or attacked, then yes
, I think so well, I mean, theyare attacked, they're attacking
each other.
So right, but no one's goingafter the capital right now, no
one's.
They're fighting over cashmere.
They're yeah, they're doingthis in an escalatory way in a

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in some sense, but, like india'sstrikes into pakistan have been
, quote unquote, targeted atterrorist locations, not even
military targets.
Yeah.
So, you know, other than likethe dog fight over cashmere, um,
I don't know thing seems kindof limited.
So we'll see, we'll see.

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I I am under no illusions thatthis isn't very scary and that
it gets been out of control.
I get that, but at the sametime, yeah, you know, they both
have nukes, they have thatdeterrent, they both have strong

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geopolitical alliances withother countries, and the other
reason why I feel like we'd comein on the side of India is
Trump's relationship with Modi,right.
So I don't see the wholeRussian BRICS alliance being an
issue, but if Turkey is comingin on the side of Islamabad,

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we're coming in the side ofDelhi.
That's a conflict inside NATOthat I don't see how it was
resolved yeah, turkey shouldhave never been invented to nato
in the first place.
Obviously the reason they didit well is they wanted to
control the black sea yeah, butbefore erdogan, before erdogan,

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nato turkey was a very.
It was the most western of theislamic states.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
There was no hijabs at all in turkey back in the day
yeah, I mean when you know whenturkey set up, when attatürk
set up, turkey it's you know itwas nothing but a normal secular
state.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
So do you know what caused this whole thing?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Because that's what I've been not very clear on is
what started this Civiliansgetting killed, tourists getting
killed in Kashmir.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Ooh Like there's a video of a guy zip lining Like
Indian tourists in Pakistanistan.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Uh well, it's the indian controlled region of
kashmir that kicked this off,and there there's a video of a
guy zip lining and he's ridingthe zip line, not even thinking,
and if you have the audio upand stuff, you can hear the
gunfire and you can wow, seecivilians dropping below him.
As he's just zip lining throughit, he doesn't get shot at.

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So yeah, there was a supposedjihadi terrorist attack inside
Kashmir and then Indiaretaliated and Pakistan
retaliated to their retaliation.
And here we are, oh, oh.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah Well, india apparently has bombed.
I'm looking online here, asclose as 10 kilometers from
Islamabad.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, and Pakistan has sent drones in, and yeah,
yeah, yeah.
And uh, pakistan has sentsuicide drones in, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, yeah, that is wild.
It was mostly.
I've been just seeing videos oftheir border, with the crazy,
crazily dressed, uh borderguards, high stepping, you know,
trying to outdo each other withhow high their feet go.
Um, this was not something Iwas expecting to happen.

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I I knew obviously neithercountry liked each other, but,
uh, but didn't expect this.
Now already, um, our boy, boyVance, is getting blamed on this
because not only did he show upand then the Pope died, but he
showed up to India two weeks agoand then this whole conflict

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started.
That is so fucking funny soapparently Vance is flying
around the world starting war.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, all kinds of events happening so all right,
we got to talk about the newpope.
Oh god yeah first american pope.
But before we do that, the wokepope, yes, well, tbd, tbd not
really.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
We've got his tweets.
We know exactly what he saidabout blm and trump yeah, and we
also have what he said abouttrans.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So I don't know, give and take, why.
What do you say about trans?
I didn't see that.
Uh, he is not pro trans.
So, okay, I'll have to go pullup the tweets, but before we do
that, uh, so adam reached out tome on uh last week while you
know, the whole iberianpeninsula was yeah, black right

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and he talked about it on theshow, so I'm not going to recap
what I said to him all a whole,whole ton, but we do have some
differentiated listenership so Ithink it's worth covering.
Yep and zayhan came out todayand while he gets a lot of shit
technically wrong, he actuallyadmitted what I said.

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What I said to adam.
Um, this was not a issue of, uh, you know, a geomagnetic storm
or anything else.
They had a.
They had a main interconnectthat fed the Iberian Peninsula
from France go down.
That interconnect carried about15 gigawatts of energy, so a

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big transmission line.
That 15 gigawatts sudden losswas enough to put them in the
black, and the reason why isbecause they were 80% reliant on
green energy at that point intime.
But what I would say is hey man,in Texas, if we suddenly lost

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15 gigawatts of energy, wewouldn't survive it either.
So there are a lot ofpoliticizes, there's a lot of
people politicizing this andpeople are saying, oh see, green
tech doesn't work.
They're saying this or sayingthat Hold on Time out.
This was a massive power loss.
Should you be reliant onforeign countries and importing

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power?
You know that you do you boo, Iwouldn't be it.
Texas, we have our grid.
I'll say there's really no wayfor us to lose that.
But if you've got basically onetransmission station pulling in
that much energy into your gridthat you're reliant on, you

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have a single point of failureand if anything goes wrong, if
there's a blip there, you'refucked.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Um just to give people if the us has a blip like
this.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Texas is still okay, though, right well, I mean so
texas, in ercot, we are isolated, we have our own grid, so there
are three grids in the unitedstates.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
There's the eastern grid, there's the western grid
and then there's texas yeah,because we're getting ready for
the secession anyway, so this isa good idea we have that.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
This started way, way , way before.
As soon as there were anyfederal regulations put on power
, texas went.
You know, we're gonna do ourown thing and we're not gonna
cross our borders.
So therefore, feds, fuck off.
Um, literally that's we.
We have had an independent gridfor forever, but regardless, um

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.
So the eastern grid, westerngrid you have these generation
pools.
Um, a loss of 15 gigawatts inany one of those pools is going
to be pretty hard to survive,but theoretically possible.
Uh, depending on how fast andwhat indicators you have, and so
on.

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Um, but inside texas, I'll tellyou, our emergency action
levels do not start until we getdown to 3,000 megawatts of
spinning reserve.
So 3,000 megawatt loss, ifwe're low on margin, can put us
in the black On a typical day,like I'll go to ERCOT.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
When you say they do you mean Texas or the US?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm talking about Texas right now, because I think
that's a good analogy.
So right now, our actualcapacity is 65,092 megawatts.
Our actual demand is 46,670megawatts.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Our actual demand is 46 670 megawatts right now, so
you get 47 149 okay, anyway, wehave an operating reserve margin
right now of 11 947 megawatts.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
So if we lost 15 gigawatts, which would you know,
11 gigawatts, or we'll call it12, you know, we would be
negative three gigawatts.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
And if we lost here is is we're operating at 49 on
solar right now okay, I'mtalking about ercot entirety.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Anyway, if we lost that 15 gigawatts, we would be
in the black right now.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Done.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
And Texas black start .
It's a much bigger grid thanthe Iberian Peninsula and we
don't have a whole bunch ofinterconnects with other grids,
so the European grid is all tiedtogether.
That's much more analogous to,like the Eastern or Western grid
.
Texas we're an island here, sowe have DC ties to the East, we

(32:51):
have DC ties to the West, wehave DC ties to Mexico, but
those are small DC ties.
We can only import so muchpower.
So we would be in a full blackstart situation versus being
able to pull power from otherareas.
Black start situation versusbeing able to pull power from
other areas.
If what happened to the iberianpeninsula happened in texas, we
would be weeks to a month yeah,yeah, there would probably be

(33:16):
some commissions askingquestions at that point.
Yeah, so anyway, the the entirepoint is being reliant on
imported power, not havingdistributed power.
So the texas grid does not havethis issue where we have a
single point that is that large,you know, our largest

(33:37):
generation stations are a couplegigawatts yeah, um, that's it
and that, and usually that'smore than one unit and usually
you typically wouldn't use loseone unit at a time.
The largest single unit that Ihave seen in person is Zimmer.
It's the nuke that never was.

(33:58):
It's about 1500 megawatts on asingle boiler, but that is very
rare.
Usually you have, you know,combined cycles that are two or
three, two or three jet engines,basically on one HERSIC and you
can lose either jet engine andyou're still going, and then you

(34:19):
know, or a big coal unit that'sa thousand megawatts, you know
one gigawatt ish in capacity,but you've got a couple of them.
So we don't have that singlepoint of failure.
And really the question is, howdid the grid operator in spain

(34:39):
and portugal and the iberianPeninsula ever think
transporting and relying on thatmuch energy from a single
source was a good idea?

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, because energy is evil, is the answer.
Yeah, that's how they makedecisions.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think the real answer to this is you know, what
did communists and socialistsuse before the candle?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Electricity right?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I don't know that's good, yeah, a little bit of a
randy and joe.
So okay, I still have aquestion.
What the hell?
How is half our power comingfrom solar right now?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
uh, because of the pricing do we like?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I didn't realize there was enough solar to
provide.
What is it?

Speaker 1 (35:26):
20, 23 megawatts oh yeah, uh, our installed solar
capacity in the state of texasis a huge, but the work.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I've seen the windmills.
Where the hell are the solarfarms?

Speaker 1 (35:38):
west texas.
Um, so my, so my company webuilt back when I was working
for a power company.
We had one of the largest solarfarms in the state of Texas,
but most of our solar isactually fairly small.

(36:01):
So up into that Vistra energyhad was 250 megawatts of solar,
which was at the time thelargest solar installation in
state Texas.
That that has changed sincethen, but 23,000 megawatts of
solar right now.
I understand, but if you look atthe power prices, so if I go,

(36:21):
look at the power plant that'sclosest to me, which is Oak
Grove, which used to work out ofum, right now they are getting
22.63 cents a megawatt um, ifyou look at west texas where all
the solar is, it is 19 amegawatt.
Yeah, here's the problem.
So oak grove is a big,beautiful, modern, clean coal

(36:44):
plant and its fuel cost isaround seven dollars a megawatt.
It can make money down attwenty dollars a megawatt, but
here's the problem, that windand solar gets subsidies upwards
of forty dollars a megawatt.
So they can bid literally theycan bid negative into the market

(37:06):
, which is when are thosesubsidies coming from?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Federal and state?
State has subsidies for that.
That's bullshit.
They should get rid of that onetime and go.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Texas has Texas.
Yep, I completely agree.
And you should not be able tobid negative into a market Right
.
So there are limits as to whatyou can bid negative.
But you can bid negativebecause ercot is a lowest price
dispatch first.
So you see that delta in thedemand versus uh generation

(37:37):
capacity, that's actually online.
Yeah, that delta doesn't getpaid.
It gets paid a margin for beingavailable, but it does not get
paid the per megawatt price.
So cheapest price up into thedemand wins.
And that is what has screwedour power balance up in this
state is because of thosesubsidies.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, I yeah, I think without subsidies that model
actually seems like a prettygood model.
But once you throw subsidies inthere, then everything's out
the window.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Exactly.
Here's the reason why no onewould ever bid negative.
Right, they would go to whatthey can run their facility for
and then they would stop.
But because, literally, thewind subsidy is at like $47 a
megawatt.
So if they are generating power, they are getting $47 a
megawatt.
So if they are generating power, they are getting $47 a
megawatt, no matter what.
Yeah, they can go to zero andthey would still get $47 a

(38:32):
megawatt.
Yeah, they can go to negative$47 a megawatt and still not be
losing money.
But your big coal plants.
So the reason why coal is dyingin the state of Texas is not
because it's bad technology,it's useless.
It's this, that and the other.
It's because of the subsidy.
Because of the subsidy, coalplants can't turn on and off.

(38:52):
A fast restart for a coal plantis 12 hours.
Right, that is fast.
So a coal plant at night orwhenever demand is low, they
have to go down to what's calledlow stable load and just hover
there.
Well, for instance, oak GroveOak Grove Unit 1 is 820 some odd
megawatts.
Its low stable load is around550.

(39:15):
So that's as low as they can gowithout the plant becoming
unstable the plant becomingunstable.
So, at 550 megawatts, if theprice is negative $10 a megawatt
look at how much money you'relosing overnight, right?
Yeah, so, and that's the otherproblem.
In Texas, wind is at its peak,um, overnight and not during the

(39:40):
heat of the day.
It dies off, um, and that'swhen power demand is at its
lowest.
So you've got something therethat's just killing coal.
The reason why natural gas isconsidered more profitable and
works better in this sort ofmarket is because they can turn
on and off, yeah, right, theycan shut down, start up, do

(40:01):
anything, and the simple cycleportion of the plant can restart
in minutes.
So that is their advantage.
They also take fewer people.
But I'll say this a modernnatural gas plant uh, what's
natural gas prices today?
So you take the heat rate ofthe nap of the of a natural gas

(40:21):
unit and you multiply it by itsfuel cost and you're going to
end up with the fuel, what ittakes per megawatt to generate
power.
So, for instance, forney, whichis a fairly modern natural gas
plant that we used to own, itsheat rate was about 7,000, and

(40:45):
this gave us a fuel cost ofroughly around 21 a megawatt at
the time of you know which.
You compare that to the coalsite of seven, it it's night and
day difference, the the.
What made them more profitablewas they can turn on and off.
The coal plant takes 170 peopleto run.
The natural gas plant takes 20.

(41:06):
So there there's a lot of that.
I will say everyone should beall on board with clean coal and
getting those base load plantssubsidized because, one nukes
and coal should get subsidizedfor being able to store fuel on
location, because natural gascan't um wind and solar.

(41:26):
You're totally dependent uponthe environment to run, so you
have no stored fuel.
Batteries can get this as well,but they're so small it doesn't
really matter.
But the reason why you wantstored fuel on site is because
stuff happens so that 850megawatt coal unit burned about
120 tons of coal an hour okay soif you have a blip in your

(41:53):
transport mechanism, thereyou're just in time delivery of
this coal.
You know, having that storage onsite is a good thing.
When we think about yuri andwhat happened in yuri.
Um, yuri got so bad because thegas pipelines were not they,
they went green.
They put in solar as backup andeverything else and we had gas

(42:15):
compressor stations going downand we had a lack of volume of
natural gas, partially becausetexas also has a stupid law that
makes us prioritize homeheating natural gas over
industrial, even though mostpeople's heat is electric in the
state of Texas.
You know there's just a lot ofbureaucracy suck.

(42:38):
It needs to be the free market.
But my point is having storedfuel should be a cost adder into
a grid because it is astrategic advantage in times of
crisis.
Yeah, and everyone should wantthis, and the reason why

(43:00):
everyone should want this isgood rural jobs.
These coal plants aren't in theheart of a city, they're out in
the middle of nowhere and theyprovide so.
Oak Grove is a great example170 people for the power plant
and then another 700 for themine that was a few miles away.
That locally mined, shippedover done and they have enough

(43:25):
fuel.
Oak Grove I truly believe andpeople want to look it up, it's
been written up in PowerMagazine and everything else Oak
Grove will likely be the lastcoal plant in the United States.
Wow Because if current politicaltrends continue.
They are clean enough and theyhave enough local fuel and the

(43:46):
economics there that they willlikely survive and be the last
man standing yeah, but that'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
We got so much coal.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
We ought to be using it oh, we have hundreds of years
worth of coal, yeah and hey, uh, just fairly breaking news here
.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I just saw that uh, india and pakistan have a
ceasefire woohoo good, world warthree averted yeah, exactly,
and we'll see if it lasts.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
You know the, the, the ceasefire in uh, ukraine did
not so dude, that's not aceasefire.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
When you have one side announce a ceasefire,
that's not a ceasefire.
That that's just, and it's it'sflip-flopping, right.
So russia had the three daysfor easter where they they were
technically under a ceasefire.
The uh ukrainian side doesn'tgive a shit about easter, so
they kept shooting.
Then Ukraine arbitrarily callsfor a ceasefire and then,

(44:49):
without any agreement fromRussia to a ceasefire.
They're now announcing Russiais breaking their ceasefire.
It's a unidirectional ceasefire.
Guys, you stop shooting.
Does not make it an agreedceasefire across the board.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah well, this reminds me of kids playing tag
or something does not make it anagreed ceasefire across the
board.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah well, this reminds me of kids playing tag
or something and someone yellingtime out time out?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, and Russia's whole contention with the talks
with the US has been that if wedo a ceasefire, where we agree
to a long-term ceasefire in thisconflict, we have to have
provisions for non-rearmaments.
Because if you are saying, hey,let's have a ceasefire for
three months, and then theentire time for those three

(45:35):
months you're rearming the otherside.
Uh, that's no, that's not,that's not a ceasefire, it's not
good for us, we're going gonnakeep on fighting at that point
until we win, and then theywon't rearm.
So it's a.
It's interesting, and the wholesame thing with israel.
It's like there were calls fora uh, a ceasefire literally a

(45:59):
day after the response fromisrael for the attacks in the
last year.
It's like whoa, whoa, you don'tget to go out, massacre 700
people and then call a timeout,effectively, like you said, as
soon as the other side actuallygets their shit together and
starts attacking you back.
That's, that's not how thatworks.

(46:22):
I agreed, so I just I don'tknow.
That's not how that works.
Agreed, so I just I don't know.
I think your analogy of kids isvery apropos.
In a lot of these conflicts, itis literally people in
positions of power that are mucholder, exhibiting exactly the

(46:43):
same behaviors as children onplayground.
Yeah it's, it's somebody youknow kicking sand at somebody
else and then, as soon as theother person starts wiping it
out of their eyes and rushes toattack them, they're like no, no
, no, I, you know, I, I'm uh,I'm I.
I didn't mean to sorry, youknow I, I'm uh, I'm I, I didn't

(47:04):
mean to sorry, you know, it'slike what, dude, if you, if you
do something that the other sidedidn't expect and wasn't, uh,
like you're not responding tothem, you're initiating, you
shouldn't expect no responsefrom the other side, no matter
what it is it.

(47:25):
That's just silly, that goesagainst human nature.
So, yeah it's.
I think this is where this idea, which is also a complete
fallacy, comes from that ifwomen ran the world, there would
be no more wars.
Yeah, if women ran the world,there would be no more wars.

(47:45):
Yeah, if women ran the world,there would be no more world.
So, by definition, I guess,technically, there would be no
more wars, because there wouldbe no electricity, there would
be no roads, there would be novehicles and there'd be a lot of
bickering, but possibly no wars.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Do you want to go to tariffs, trade deals and stuff
like that?
Let's do it.
So did you look at the uk tradedeal.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Uh, I did not.
I saw that we got one and, um,we got a big one.
Yeah, I I honestly I thought wewere focusing on china, so I
was ignoring pretty much all theother ones.
But what's what?
What do I need to know aboutthe uk one?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
well, so I'm going to bring zayhan back into this,
but okay, he has talked about.
He has talked about how we needto functionally bring the uk
into nato and why, and so on,and uk is in nato, not nato
nafta, sorry, oh.
So basically that's what thisdoes.

(48:45):
It is a very nafta-esque tradedeal between us and the uk okay
um, essentially, we can sell ourproducts into them way more
than we've ever been able to.
Well, that's good.
They can sell their productsinto us more than they've been
able to.
What?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
products do they have , but?

Speaker 1 (49:01):
we've maintained a 10% tariff.
Oh Okay, so Trump got them todrop their drawers, bend over
and we still get to keep our 10%tariff, hmm, which I think is
just hilarious.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I mean, don't you want your Jaguar?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Oh wait, that's an Indian company now.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Which one?
What?
Jaguar?
Oh, jaguar.
Yeah, that's Tata.
So we're doing $5 billionexport deal with them.
Okay, our biggest exports aregoing to be ethanol and products
like beef.
I mean, don't they make both?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
The UK.
Uk is fucked their farmersinternally.
Have you not been watchingJeremy's farm?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
But I thought that was the fucking was part of them
converting to ethanol, justlike we are here instead of just
you know growing actual food.
Or are they just removingfarmers?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
altogether.
I think they're just removinguh farmers altogether.
What, but anyway?
the disease makes somebody thinkthat's a good idea um, read
anthem, yeah, which, by the way,I was going through through a
bunch of Rand quotes yesterdaybecause I was in an argument

(50:35):
with a TDS sufferer.
That's a you know, that's awhole nother thing.
But anyway, big win on thetariff side, things are starting
to move.
I think it's, you know, I thinkit's very indicative that we

(50:57):
are starting to see cracks inthe armor and this this going.
I think the tariffs are working.
I think we're moving the needle.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, and I this is what I've always supported but
said we have to be extremelycareful here is that, uh, using
tariffs as a threat, a clubeffectively, or using an
increase in tariffs, let's say,as a club, is a totally

(51:25):
legitimate way to get bettertrade deals across the world?
Long-term tariffs in place arehorrible for the economy.
Long-term tariffs in place arehorrible for the economy.
So we we need to get to aresolution with the use of
tariffs and not just simply jackup tariffs and leave them there
.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
um, agreed, you know, um, now, in the case of, I'm
kind of for it, like China isabout to like.
I know you're poo-pooing this,but if you look at China and

(52:07):
what is happening internallyright now and what they're doing
to the European Union, whichthe European Union is now
putting tariffs on China becauseChina just started dumping all
the goods they were sending tous, to Europe.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Bottoming out prices and causing massive issues.
China is an inelastic economy.
They are not demand drivenRight, they subsidize the demand
.
Subsidize the demand.
If they cut back onmanufacturing, people lose jobs.

(52:38):
G is facing a real revolt.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Like they are not in a good position here, dude no,
but I think that, uh, you know,zayhan and folks like him tend
to completely underestimate whata command economy is able to do
, because we don't really havethat here, like there are.
No, we're not used to it.

(53:01):
We don't have the example, theidea that a decision that is
made purely politically willhave an impact on millions of
people, and that's it.
It's just going to happen, andno one's going to say anything
or do anything or protestanything.
It's foreign to Americans,because Americans protest every

(53:23):
goddamn thing that thegovernment does, and it doesn't
matter which government.
There's always protests.
And so how many people wereprotesting?
The Trump announced tariffs.
These are people that don'teven know what a fucking tariff
is that are showing up toprotest In China.

(53:43):
They have a way of dealing withprotesters that we don't in
this country.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, Tiananmen Square.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Which was mild compared to what happens these
days.
Which was mild compared to whathappens these days?
Because now, if you go out andyou protest in China, you become
an employee building iPhones.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Have you looked at the death numbers in China, like
how many people die?

Speaker 1 (54:10):
each year, or what?
Well, there is the official howmany people died, and then
there's the cremation numbers,which are distinctly different.
Which is interesting, China isgenociding its own people.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
The Uyghur genocide is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Well, the word genocide gets thrown around an
awful lot these days.
Okay, I mean it's while we'reon it, uh.
So trump is headed into talkswith uh beijing today, and
tomorrow right and he's sayinghe can see lowering the tariffs
to about 80%.
So which means he'll go lowerthan that.

(54:58):
But that's his big ask is he'sgoing to keep at least some rate
on?
So anyone who had stock in Timuor AliExpress, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Well, you saw where Bitcoin's at right.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Sorry, I was on mute because I was blowing my nose.
Bitcoin is over $103,000 again$103K.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
yep.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I've got a little ticker on my stream deck.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Okay, good, same, so do I.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Which, by the way, since I've actually set up the
stream deck and actuallycustomized it and everything
else.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
You want the bigger one now, don't you?
I do.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I told you that I have three pages right now
including monitoring Texas PowerGrid and stuff like that.
It's super handy.
It is, and I've got navigationjump buttons.
I've got it set up.
It's good.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
This is why I've got two of them sitting on my desk
right now.
But a bigger one would be nicerand the dial one, yeah, of them
sitting on my desk right now,but a bigger one and the dial
one yeah, uh, and I think I did.
I, I think I sent my uh regularone off to darren at some point
.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Yeah, by the way.
Um, while we're talking abouttechnology, did you get your jet
kvm yet?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
no, no, but I I think that's a pretty cool device and
I was telling you about it.
You should probably get one.
Other way around there, bucko,I watched a video where a guy
explained it.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yes, that I sent to you.
No, I love it.
I've got it set up.
It would allow me to move myNook off the workbench and into
the network closet.
Nook off the workbench and intothe network closet.
And I even went through andregistered with their uh cloud
service for it so I can get toit easily from anywhere.

(57:02):
I'm trying that out.
I don't know if I'll keep thator not.
Uh, because it is anotherconnection into my home versus
versus using my vpn and thengetting on it.
but uh, the thing works great.
Dude, it is a neat littledevice, it's very useful and
I've got the DC power module inthere so I can power cycle the

(57:25):
thing.
I can do everything I need toNice Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, that's cool by the way they are prioritizing
I'm sorry, pretty low power.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, negligible.
Yeah, they are prioritizing USshipments because of the China
tariffs right now.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Well, if there is an actual improvement in China
tariff talks, then I need tohurry up and sell that joystick
I bought, Because I kind ofbought it.
Well, I wanted to test it out,but also I kind of bought it as
a hedge against prices going up,so I should probably put it up

(58:07):
on eBay.
I bought a I think I told youabout it.
I bought a really cool thrustcontroller, so it's like an
airplane thrust or throttle foryour left hand, but it's this

(58:29):
space version of it which addstilting to the handle, to the
grip of the thrust, so you couldtilt it forward or back or left
or right to add the missingdegrees of movement, Because in
space you have six degrees andwhen you're on Earth you have
four degrees.
So it's a somewhat unique stick.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
You have four degrees , no matter what, it's just the
combination that give you thelateral movement right.
So you have two-dimensionalthinking.
You know east-west and then youhave up-down.
You know east west and then youhave up down.
You know, and those twooverlapping spheres of, or

(59:18):
circles, create that sphere of.
You know what direction am Igoing.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
So yeah, so it's not quite what I'm saying here, so
I'll clarify.
So, in space, what you have isyou have three different
directions that you can move to.
You can go forward or back, youcan go left or right, and you
can go up and down, and then youhave three different pitches

(59:47):
that you can change.
So you have roll, pitch and yaw, and so that adds up to six
different controls that you canget.
So you can be going forward,but you could be pitching while
you're going forward, forexample.
So on the ground, what you'remissing is the ability to go

(01:00:09):
left, right or up down in anairplane, at least without
pitching.
Now, if you have a verticaltakeoff aircraft, obviously that
can do the same thing as youcan do in space, which is go up

(01:00:29):
or down without any othermovement and without pitching.
But for a typical airplane, forflight sims, all you really
need is you need the threedegrees of pitch you on roll,
plus just one degree or onemovement in the left hand, which

(01:00:52):
is your throttle, which isbasically your forward speed or
your reverse, because you youcan't just hover.
Now, if you're doing in thehelicopter, then yes, you can
hover and then move left, right,forward, back or up down,
independently of the pitch ofthe actual vehicle.
Um, but it's, um, it's, it's aalways a sticking point.

(01:01:17):
Playing a spaceship game with acontroller that was designed
purely for flight because you're, you're generally missing those
other two vectors.
And, um, this stick adds thatability by being able to pivot
the grip of the stickindependently of the position of

(01:01:40):
the throttle.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Well, if you're not going to use it, then I would
definitely get rid of it,because I think the tariffs are
going to change dramaticallyhere shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, yeah, and I got it literally five days before
they stopped all shipments tothe US.
And they stopped all shipmentsbecause they wanted to wait out
tariffs to see what happens,because what they don't want to
do is have somebody buysomething for $300, ship it and

(01:02:09):
then the person gets it and hasto pay another $300 to pick it
up.
Yeah, they're like that's goingto completely make customers
feel unhappy, so we'd ratherjust not sell it for now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So yeah, now one of the things I'll say is I do see
a lot of manufacturing comingback to the US right now.
So in my job, you know we we'rea big epc, we build stuff um.
I'll tell you that we have drugcompanies, um specifically like

(01:02:46):
nova nordis is bringing awogovie plant to the us.
Uh, because of these tariffs.
Um, we have a lot of other drugcompanies that are looking at
setting up, even like down tovitamin c and basic antibiotic
stuff and everything else theyshould be doing here, because
you can't trust the shit comingfrom china exactly so I think

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you're going to see a lot ofconstruction over the next few
years yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, this is not stock advice, but I would
definitely look at constructioncompanies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, I get stock.
So, yes, anyway, the thing Iwould say is look, and there are
only a handful of big EPCs inthe world that can do these
projects.
So, yes, go look at them.
What I would say is we areseeing an influx, we are seeing

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more movement on the chipmanufacturing side than we ever
saw during the CHIPS Act oranything else.
I think some of these tariffsare going to strategically stay
on for certain products becausewe're seeing the investment.
I think it's a long-term deal.
I think that's what thesecompanies see, otherwise they
wouldn't be putting out thesepublic rfps and yeah, so good

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for trump.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
You know that's a good question, something I
haven't done for a damn longtime.
Is there websites out therethat I've used that to?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
track aggregate and track rfps yeah no, it's a part
of my part of my routine thesedays, so that's always
interesting because those areall leading indicators.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
this is before anything actually happens.
You can find out what kind ofbudgets are put together, and I
think you're right.
I think nothing's actuallyhappened yet, but the
anticipation and the planning isdefinitely in full swing, and
so you know things like Applecommitting to 500 billion or

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trillion or whatever the hellthey had 500 billion yeah In
facilities.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
And your Apple chips are not going to be made in the
US.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
In 10 years probably.
Yeah, I mean, none of thesethings are going to happen
overnight.
Most of them aren't, are goingto happen overnight.
Most of them aren't even goingto be over the course of one
year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
But eventually they should make a move.
No, I think construction willstart on the Apple facilities
within a year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yeah, do you remember how long it took them to build
their headquarters?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, in years, yeah, do you remember how
long it took them to build?
Their headquarters, yeah, butin years, okay.
Yeah, I don't think that's, Idon't think that that's going to
be the case on a lot of this.
For instance, we did a chip fabfacility and the turnaround
from start of the funding of theproject to stuff rolling out
the door was about two and ahalf years.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Okay, Well, let's.
Yeah, that's pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
You know we're, we're building data centers, um, our
data center construction stuff,depending on the size, and you
know lots of variables here, buta small data center six months
to a year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
So I think you've got to realize stuff is changing
and as long as the inputs areavailable which you could argue
that tariffs could cause aproblem with that but as long as
the inputs are available, stuffcan get turned around,

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especially as Trump deregulatesagain and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Well, and then there is this sort of question mark
timer going, because there's anumber of possibilities of
turnarounds.
So one is the midterm elections.
If the Democrats gain a lot ofpower, trump will immediately be
impeached.
We know, that's happening.
I mean, they've already startedimpeachments, right now.

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Those aren't going to goanywhere.
But there are plenty of peoplethat are on the left that would
like nothing more than to endhis presidency faster, are on
the left that would like nothingmore than to end his presidency
faster, and they might get itinto the Senate now, because
Trump has not got the bestrelationship with the Senate.
The other one, of course, is inanother three and a half years,

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when his term is over.
Whether it's AOC or somebodyelse that they're going to run,
they're definitely going to begiving everything they can to
try and take back the presidency.
AOC would lose AOC, I thinkwould lose.

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Gavin Newsom may win.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I do not see that as possible.
California is literally a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, that's true.
However, he is a good-lookingperson and no elections are
decided by women voting based onthe way that somebody looks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Hence.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Barack Obama winning.
That had no business running inthe first place.
Indeed, and I talked to yourmom about that Yep, god yeah
indeed, and I talked to your momabout that.
Yep, oh god.
Yes, ben's decision that heregrets the most in life is
introducing you to my parents,yeah, exactly yeah, yeah, yeah,

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uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
So trump did something to move that needle,
uh, today.
That I think um is brilliant.
Did you see the national centerfor homeless veterans?
No, so trump has announced he'smoving next.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Uh, I'm sorry was this on x?
I didn't, didn't see it there's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Fox News has stories.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
A bunch of places.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Have stories here.
I'll send one to you.
But he's literally moving moneythat was spent on housing for
illegal aliens to now housinghomeless veterans.
Mm-hmm Like.
Say no to that one, democrats.
Yeah, exactly he is setting upso many traps.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
You know he is setting up so many traps for
them yeah, yeah tell me that isnot a brilliant idea it's almost
as brilliant as this portablefolding table grill thing uh,
yeah, I was on x and I said tome but yeah, I saw that uh
earlier, uh on x as well, and Ithought it was really neat.

(01:09:39):
Um, and I'd seen like similarlooking devices, but nothing
quite as compact as this thingyeah, like the amount of
engineering.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
To put all that in like that is just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, yeah, and you could probably get it on Temu
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Yeah, you're going to pay double, but sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Well, this one's 800 bucks.
So the one that's in the video,according to somebody anyway,
it's 800 bucks, but on Temu youcan probably pick it up for
about 250.
Double that with a tariff, yeah, yeah.
And then somebody says the realtrick is remembering how to
fold it back up.
Yeah, I, I've been there forsure.

(01:10:25):
There are things that are supercompact when you get them and
then good luck folding themafterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, yeah, well, anyway.
But this moves like this, thatTrump's pulling on, you know,
moving funding from housingillegals to housing veterans.
It's just setting the left upbecause you know they're going
to say, oh, he's doing thisillegally, he's doing that, he's

(01:10:53):
whatever.
Holy crap, dude.
Know they're going to say, oh,he's doing this illegally, he's
doing that, he's whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Um, holy crap, dude they are going to shoot
themselves in the foot so hardyou know well and and I I will
say that I think there have beenplenty of people that have
voted left, that are veteransyou know like just because
you're in the army doesn't makeyou a Republican, and we've seen

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a lot of that in the youngergenerations, where these guys
come back after a couple oftours.
They're in their late 20s,early 30s.
They're definitely Democrats.
They don't like Republicans,but good luck getting them to
shoot themselves in the foot.
But it is a great move, butgood luck getting them to shoot
themselves in the foot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
But it is a great move.
It totally is.
You know, one of the thingsthat I think is also I don't
know if you saw this story thisis how desperate the news media
is to just shoot Trump and puthim down.
They're comparing his commentson potentially raising the top
marginal tax rate by 2.6% toGeorge Bush's.

(01:12:04):
You know the headline saysTrump's tax hike proposal is
deja vu of George HW Bush.
Read my lips moment.
Experts say the fuck it is.
Of all, bush did that duringhis first election.
Trump's not trying to getfucking re-elected?
Yeah, and you know.
No, this is not comparable.
This is just not comparable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Yeah, but this is fox news running this, just
bullshit article, yep and howdare he, by the way, even talk
about raising taxes on peoplemaking a minimum of 2.5 million
per year?
2.6, but yes, oh no, it's 2.5,you're right, you're right I was
2.6 uh percent raise.

(01:12:47):
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah anyway,yeah, it's, it's, the hilarity
ensues, dude right well, I thinkfox assumes that a lot of these
people that make two and a halfmillion a year watch fox.
Uh yeah yeah, I, I don't knowman, I don't know anybody that

(01:13:10):
watches.
Well, no, I do, my dad watchesfox about it he doesn't make 2.5
million.
He definitely does not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
I wish he did man, but he does not so you know, I
got into a pretty good uh backand forth with a tds surfer
sufferer the other day and Iadded you uh on twitter a randy
and quote, and this is issomething that I think really is
the essence of what we try anddo here on this show and I think

(01:13:42):
, what's why the mainstreammedia is quite frankly dying.
And the Randian quote goesdevotion to the truth is the
hallmark of morality.
There is no greater, nobler,more heroic form of devotion
than the act of a man whoassumes the responsibility of
thinking.

(01:14:02):
That's a good quote.
It is, and it's reallyemblematic of, I think, both of
our viewpoints on rational uh,on rationalism, if you would.
You know, and I hate to say it,but I think the best way to
describe me politically at thispoint is the libertarian, or you

(01:14:27):
could even say potentiallyanarchistic, rationalist right,
which I don't want to be lumpedin, but you know, hey um, yeah,
it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Uh, I don't see a problem with it.
I don't know why you don't wantto be, but um, uh, because the
libertarians went actually, youknow just yeah, but we know it's
a small, small libertarian, nota big libertarian.
Yes, exactly yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just because somebody uses aterm and ruins it doesn't mean

(01:15:06):
that that you know you can'tstill use the term in its
original form.
You just have to make anallowance for informing people
of it gene I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to
when this day uh, comes about uhI just said gene at alpha fox
tweet is that it is ai generatedof uh, robo women.
Yeah, that what there is.
And the the caption reads don'tbe too picky, ladies.

(01:15:36):
Soon you'll have competitionthat's true.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Uh, the.
There's a actually a video Iwatched recently in japan, where
they're a lot more comfortablewith sex by the way uh, except
they blur everything.
For some reason only, onlycertain portions.
Do they blur, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
It's the law.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
It's the law, but not in person.
The blurring only happens inbroadcast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Really I thought all Asians had blurry vaginas?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it's to make it moredifficult for the octopus.
That's why, what Octopus porn,oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Have you not seen it, hentai?
Yeah, yeah, technical porn.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
It's a very popular thing out there.
There's some crazy videos.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Have you seen the real life hentai stuff that's
been popular lately?

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about
yeah, not like the animatedstuff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Now, the animated stuff, uh, some crazy stuff,
dude anyway, so there's a videoit's almost as crazy.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
it doesn't cross the same line as german like shiza,
shiza porn, yeah like that'sjust like oh my god yeah, why is
it germans and the japaneseboth have kind of twisted porn?
Uh, what's the commonality?

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Well, uh, germany didn't get nuked, so we can
forgive japan a little bit, butI don't know well, they also
have godzilla before the nukesgodzilla yeah, yeah, I don't
know, zira, uh, anyway, so I waswatching these videos, the
robots the one of the sellingfeatures of the robots, which

(01:17:27):
absolutely look just like yourimage here I mean they're like
perfect female form is they haveswappable faces which you can
order and customize, so you canyou don't like this face, you
can keep the body and just swapthe face and, you know, give her
a different name, I guess.
But it's uh, it's full-onindustry man.

(01:17:51):
I wonder if we're gonna have anycountries moving production of
these things to the us futuramait, you know, predicted this
with the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Don't fall in love with a robot.
Johnny video, right, I thinkfuturama predicted a lot of
things, right.
Futurama south park simpsons.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
It's like crazy the comedy channel should have been
renamed to the future channel.
Yes, indeed, that's pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
So I am going to have a very busy June.
Okay, I am going to bebasically gone the whole month.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Wow, so we got to figure out your remote
podcasting setup then.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yeah, when I'm in Guam I'm probably not going to
be up to do the podcast at thesame time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
They have very good internet there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
They do not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Oh, they do, they do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Okay, well, anyway, so, yeah, anyway.
So I'll be in Guam at somepoint Late June, early July.
I will be in Guam at some pointlate June, early July.
I will be in Puerto Rico earlyJune and then I'm taking a
vacation to Mexico June 16th tothe 20th, so it's going to be a

(01:19:06):
busy June, you know that remindsme, maybe I should book my
vacation for June too, then.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I've got a Mexican vacation.
I need to do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Yeah, I've never been I've need to do.
Yeah, I've never been, I'vebeen all over.
I've never been to mexico, sowhere are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I can't go really okay, you mean really I don't
know that's literally where Iinvited you to go last year and
you didn't go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Well, I couldn't make it I know, but yeah, I I'm
going to go stay at the Westin.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yes, you're going to stay at the hotel I was staying
at last time.
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
All I want to do is go.
You know beach and pyramids,that's it.
Yeah, They've got both.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
I was thinking of going back to Cabo this year.
Yeah, got the kids' passportsand all that.
So, they're on the way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Yeah, yeah, that'd be good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Definitely we'll chat before you go and I'll give you
some pointers.
The hotel is actually in areally good location, cool.
Uh, literally walking distanceacross from it is a large is a
very large shopping mall, uh,slash aquarium, touristy kind of

(01:20:26):
area.
Cool.
Um, there's some unexpectedthings, like the cab ride from
the airport, unless you'rerenting a car.
But the cab ride from theairport to the hotel two years
ago was or last year, I guess,was a $86.
Ooh, you don't expect in Mexico.

(01:20:47):
You expect that in othercountries, but not in Mexico.
Um, and there's like I thinkthe reason that the cab driver
told me was that the license forthem to pick people up at the
airport is like 40 bucks, sothey're just passing all the
fees on to the people coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Well, maybe I ought to look at renting a car.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Yeah, you could.
The only thing about renting acar is make sure that you have a
hundred dollars in cash withyou at all times, because if you
ever get pulled over by thecops, they don't actually want
to give you a ticket they justwant to get paid, okay, so it is
completely normal and expectedfor you to just pay the cops off

(01:21:35):
and just say look, I'm a dumbAmerican, I don't know what I'm
doing.
Are you sure there's no way thatwe could just handle this right
here, now, so that it doesn'tdelay my travel?
And then you pull out yourwallet and you pull some $20
bills out and they'll tell youwhen to stop counting.
Yeah, oh, so it's.

(01:21:59):
It's going to cost you usually40 to 50 to 60 bucks.
You know pretty much anything.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Well, uh, I mean an intermediate SUV, uh, from Hertz
and Cancun is only $28 day.
So yeah, like holy shit dudethe gas is a compact four-door
for 15 a day, like just afull-size car is 19 a day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Like this is pretty good way cheaper than here yeah,
yeah, I just rented a caryesterday, uh in seattle, and it
was 55 a day yeah, yeah, Igotta tell you it's a nice
location.
it's good for kids.

(01:22:49):
There's a kids kind of swimmingpool area with a slide and
everything Mm-hmm there.
Depending on exactly when yougo actually I think you're going
a little later, but they haveareas on the beach that are
roped off because the turtleshave laid their eggs there
Mm-hmm.
So you gotta be make sure yourkids don't dig that shit up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Yeah, the Kims are at least.
Kims are at least sea turtles.
They taste pretty good, I hear.
Yeah, that's what I was aboutto say.
You know, we pass laws toprotect the sea turtles and
everything else and down therethey eat them.
Yeah, turtle soup, yeah, sothat'll be fun.
By the way, travel tip I don'tknow what rental car company you

(01:23:32):
are using these days, but I'vebasically been forced into using
hertz, which I've never usedbefore I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Either.
I usually use national or avos.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Okay, well, hertz, as soon as you get any status with
them.
Fucking awesome, yeah.
Yeah, like you do it on the app, you don't have to talk to
anybody.
You literally walk down theaisle for the class of vehicle
or the status that you have andand you go pick a vehicle, get
in it and drive off.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Yeah, National's had that for 25 years.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Yeah, yeah, but before this I was always using
Enterprise.
Oh my God, I feel like I'm sucha dumbass for sticking with
Enterprise for as long as I did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Yeah, yeah, both Avis and national have that.
National has a better carselection or used to pre-covid I
don't know if they still do,but pre-covid like.
I got a.
Um, I rented a well two carsactually.
It was kind of cool.
So for the same price for thebecause I had really good status

(01:24:34):
for the price of just amid-sized car.
One time I got my fiat 500 downthere.
That was like before I actuallybought a fiat 500, I actually
rented one uh, convertible onedown there.
And then, um, another time Irented a maserati and again I
got that just for the price of aregular midsize car.

(01:24:56):
Yeah, cool.
So, yeah, it's the way to go.
The pre-assigned car thing isbullshit.
Getting to pick the car that'sstanding there that you like the
look of is definitely the wayto go.
Usually, the cars that are thehardest to get are hybrids yeah,

(01:25:16):
I, I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
So I drove when I was in dc, since I was flying into
bwi and then flying out ofdallas.
I drove a jeep and, uh, goodlooking little jeep.
Because I'm looking at you knowgetting something other than my
truck, because my truck has waytoo many fucking miles on it,
but anyway like it's justgetting to that point of it's

(01:25:39):
kind of time, yeah, but uh it.
It's a plug-in hybrid jeep,which I don't know that I'd want
, but it was a fun littlevehicle it really was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Yeah, I will tell you , if I had to buy a car right
now uh and I don't, I don't haveto because my car only has 40
000 miles on but I would totallyget a grand cherokee plug-in
hybrid because it gets, uh, thelongest range you can get right

(01:26:09):
now because of the hybridportion of it, and it's a mild
hybrid, so it's actually got apretty, pretty big motor in it
yeah, same thing with this uhthat I was driving, which is the
uh 4xe, which is the look Ilike in a jeep, and it was
plenty quiet, it wasn't superloud.
I was surprised yeah, yeah, andand the the only thing, the only

(01:26:34):
reason I wouldn't get a jeeplike the one that you got, with
the big fat tires and the squarelooking body I visually, I love
the look of that, but that likethat you're.
The penalty is about five milesper gallon.
You're going to lose five milesper gallon versus a grand
cherokee uh, which carries theexact same amount of cargo and
everything, but it's moreaerodynamic.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Right, but I like the look.
And coming from my truck, dude,oh yeah, it's probably more
aerodynamic than your truck.
You know my truck highway.
If I get 16 miles to the gallon, that's great.
Yeah, like on the highway I get16 miles to the gallon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
that's great, yeah, Like on the highway.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I get 26.
Yeah, so my my point is even ifokay, this gets 20.
Yeah, great Upgrade, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
And I think that's about what it would be.
I think it'd get probably 2021on the highway.
Yeah, the the other thing I'mlooking at, but as a hybrid this
would get like over 30 in thecity sure, and that's part of
what I'm looking at and, youknow, thinking it through, yeah,
um.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
So the other vehicle and I went and test drove one
because I was flying out, uh,sunday.
So I went to houston saturdayand test drove some vehicles,
yeah, and I found a really niceq5 oh yeah, those are nice too.
I like those, always like themoh my god, I like that car like

(01:28:07):
variable suspension, like verysporty, awesome.
Like I wouldn't want the Q7,you know it's a little too big
to station wagony right.
Q5.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I do.
I think the Q5 is a sweet spot.
Yeah, cause it's Q3 is a littletoo small, but a Q5 is perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
And the, the Q5 that I found, uh, which they sold it,
so I'll have to find anotherone.
But to find another one, but itwas a 2018, one owner vehicle
yep, with 47 000 miles on itsomebody like me exactly and and
it was for like 20 grand whichis a great price, because that
thing was 60 when it was new, 62I think yeah, but and fully

(01:28:48):
loaded, top of the line package.
Yeah, great leather interior.
You know, it's just like I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I really have always liked those cars, even the q7 I
like.
I knew it was always too big,but I've I I've been close to
getting one of those multipletimes.
But in in the last two timesI've bought cars I just couldn't
pass up the specific combo ofstuff that I got with the one
that actually got and I really Ireally like my, my grand

(01:29:20):
cherokee.
Um, I do wish, obviously, youknow I I see all the new tech
that they have.
Like mine doesn't have carplayso I can't use my phone or play
in it.
But also the fact that I have adiesel makes it somewhat unique
, because they don't make thoseanymore.
I always liked diesels.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I like diesels.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Yeah, I just wish the price of diesel was like what
it used to be back when I wasyoung.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Before they went to the low sulfur diesel yeah, like
diesel was cheaper thangasoline.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
So it was both cheaper than gasoline and you
got better mileage.
So your combined differencebetween diesel and gasoline used
to be way bigger Now, yeah, youget better mileage with diesel,
but you also pay more.
Yes, so it somewhat defeats thebetter mileage purpose.

(01:30:22):
yeah, I agree, yeah, um so and Ialways wanted like a diesel
hybrid.
Like to me, I never understoodwhy they didn't make it, because
one of the characteristics of adiesel engine is a more limited
power band, which is perfectfor a hybrid, because you're

(01:30:43):
keeping the engine in your powerband and using the additional
power from the electric motorssupplement that, which makes
more sense than Well the Armytested a replacement for the
Hummer and it was going to be adiesel electric hybrid where
literally all the diesel enginedid was generate electricity and

(01:31:05):
then all four wheels hadindependent electric motors.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
So they could literally sit there and spin.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.
Yeah, it's probably moreexpensive.
It's probably what the answeris yeah, yeah, so woke Pope.
Yeah, yeah, it's probably moreexpensive is probably what the
answer is yeah, so woke Pope,yeah, yeah, so uh, there's a
number of of Pope related tweetsthat are floating out there
that he made allegedly in thepast.

(01:31:31):
Now I have to throw theallegedly in there, because the
search for this just started.
No one seems to have reallyknown about this dude.
Well, he was a dark horsecandidate yeah, yeah first
american pope first americanpope yeah, yeah, um which I
think a lot of people that don'treally give a shit are making a

(01:31:52):
big deal about.
Hey, it's the first pope that'sbeen to a walmart.
It's the first pope, that's youknow.
Hey, it's the first pope that'sbeen to a Walmart.
It's the first pope, that's youknow, eaten Chicago deep dish
pizza.
It's all these things whichdon't matter at all.
I think what does matter is whatwe're going to see from the
Vatican, because, like it or not, there are people that actually

(01:32:18):
listen to the Vatican but whatwe're going to see from the
Vatican of things they condemnand things that they support and
the last pope was definitelythe most liberal,
anti-capitalist pope we've seen.
This one has a potential to beeven more anti-capitalist and
and pro-woke than what we'veseen.
Uh, what?

(01:32:39):
What has come out in tweets sofar is a number of tweets
specifically negatively reactingto jd vance um, ironically,
some would say you know, hekilled the last pope, um, so
this pope was mad at him waybefore that happened.
And this pope also had tweetscondemning trump and his efforts

(01:33:02):
to curb the migration, the akainvasion of the united states,
because he thinks that it's goodthat people that want to escape
persecution, get to go to theus with no restrictions.
He had tweets about blmsupporting them, so this isa
pretty damn woke this is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
This is part of the catholic liberal wing, for sure
you know it's interestingbecause I am on x and I just
sent you a tweet that uh,someone had put up that's
trending here and, uh, factsabout pope leo.
And this guy's obviouslycatholic and very happy with the
choice.
Yeah, uh, iq 145, speak sevenlanguage, former professor,

(01:33:45):
degrees in mathematics andtheology, missionary in peru for
10 plus years, first americanpope known for humanity and
intellectual capabilities.
This just isn't a pope.
This is one of the smartest menalive I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
145 is like the average aq for a jew oh come on
now just saying don't be lying,no, not that high man, uh-huh,
uh-huh, it's, it's, it's dude,that's top five percentile but
it may be top five percentile,but it's.
It's definitely below aqs ofthe host of this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Well, anyway, regardless, it's interesting to
see the reaction.
It's interesting to see thename he chose, right.
So Leo is historically beenmore conservative.
So I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Yeah, I don't really trust Catholics.
Oh, nor do I.
I'll just stop at that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Yeah, nor do I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
It's a pagan religion as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Yeah, and the problem I have with Catholicism or
anything or a lot of the othersects like that that have such
dogmatic law.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Um, I don't need an intercessor and if it's not in
the bible fuck off like yeahyeah, yeah, and, and they
worship a female goddess.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Run into that yeah, well, but not only that, but
they add new gods to theirpantheon, all the time with the,
you know, saints.
So, it's no.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Yeah, I don't need to pray to Mary, I don't need to
pray to saints, I don't need tohave a priest intercede on this
earth or anyone in heaven.
Right, it's just insane.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Yeah, yeah, and you know we have a very big overlap
there.
I would just say that you knowI wouldn't pray to any
supernatural being, but sure ashell not a female one, but it's
um yeah, the the wokies aredefinitely liking this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Here's a meme of uh eight hours on the job and pope
leo is already taking out thegarbage, and it's uh pictures of
him dragging out trump andvance yep, so we'll see.
Yeah, but you know he's he,then he's got quotes like this
the promotion of gender ideologyis confusing because it seeks

(01:36:15):
to create genders that do notexist and and I can tell you why
he says that Because it'sconfusing when you're looking
for a boy and you end up withGod knows what.
You wanted to diddle a choirboy but you know it used to be a
female.
So you don't, yeah, so you'renot interested, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Know, man, it'll be interesting yeah, yeah, it will
be, but, uh, he's what?
He's probably like the fifth orsixth pope of my lifetime.
There have been a lot of them.
Um, I was really thinking theywere going to go with africa
this time.
Um, this is definitely yeah,you and adam oh, adam thought

(01:36:59):
that too.
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
I didn't yeah, adam, adam was going for the old, uh,
yeah, the old black pope, yep,yep, and he was definitely more
conservative.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Yes, um, this guy not so much so, uh, there's a very
good tv show about the Borgias,called, I think, the Borgias,
which is, you know,dramatization.
Right, it's not a historicalthing, it's historic drama, but

(01:37:29):
you really get to see thepolitical process involved of
electing a new Pope in that show.
Pope in that show, and while itwas set, obviously during the
uh, enlightenment, um, it was, Ithink, very representative of
what has been happening andstill is happening at the

(01:37:49):
vatican, and it is very much apolitical process, oh, very much
.
So, yes, there are peoplecompromising in order to get
something they want.
There are people holding thingsup because they're being passed
over.
It's a bunch of emotional,sexually frustrated men making

(01:38:14):
decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
That's the other thing that bugs me about
Catholicism.
You know I get that they didn'twant the priests and so on to
have family to pass down andbecome a basically a new
monarchy.
I get that portion of it, butyou know there's better ways to

(01:38:39):
do that.
Anyway, I don't know Having aclergy that is sexually
frustrated is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Where the priest can go on a bacchanalia up until
they're 30.
And after they're 30, if theystill want to be a priest, then
you have the vow of celibacy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Or you just don't have vows of celibacy, but you
know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Well, I'm just saying that, why do priests bang boys?

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
I don't know, bang boys Um I, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Well, the generic, you know, high level answer
because they still have sexualurges and they're so strong that
they're not able to controlthem.
And the right to be moreconvenient than the girls
because they're there.
Um plus, I think that the uhlike, in historic times penalty

(01:39:43):
for raping a girl was moresevere than raping a boy well,
and boys are less likely toadmit that they've been raped.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Well, that's a good point too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Yeah, there's something to do there, but, um,
I think that that urge is, to alarge extent, developed in the
youthful years of the priesthoodand, if it continues on like
the, the priests that are intheir 50s and 60s that are
banging boys.
It's a great topic.

(01:40:14):
By the way, they didn't startbanging boys in their 50s and
60s.
They've been doing it sincetheir 20s.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Why do you think that ?

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Because the sexual drive is much stronger
hormonally when you're youngthan it is when you get old.
Sure, it's just less.
Let's put it this way it'seasier to be celibate later in
life than it is to be celibateyounger in life and I think I

(01:40:49):
think once they've developed apattern of being boys, then that
pattern, just say, kind ofstays with them.
But if you say I mean the otheralternative is just to not have
priests under, let's say, 40.
Like you can be a religious, youknow person, but you can't be a
priest until you're 40.

(01:41:09):
Because you have to make thatdecision later in life.
That basically says I'm goingto dedicate my life not to a
family, not to procreation, notto fun activities, but to God
and studying religion.
And I don't think that that's adecision that a young man can
make, fully understanding andgrasping what it means.

(01:41:34):
So I think they would have farfewer instances of those types
of despicable relationships ifthe priesthood was something
that either happened later inlife or that there was an
allowance earlier to besomething maybe not call it a

(01:41:56):
priest, call it something else,but a priest in training.
Well, you could still have afamily, you know, you could
still be married and have kids,and then you know your kids are
like in their teenage years andthen you go off and you become a
full, full-on priest and leaveyour wife, and that's not gonna
work exactly that's not gonnawork.
Well, sure that?

(01:42:17):
What do you mean?
It's not gonna work over halfthe marriages in the us and
divorce.
How's that?
What are you saying?

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
it's like it works right, but catholics don't
believe in divorce.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Well, catholics don't , but they believe in anything.
That's doctrine.
You just have to make divorcepart of the doctrine and they'll
believe it.
So that's how god intended itfor you to leave your wife when
you're turn 40.
That's how God intended it Ifyou need to leave your wife when
you're turned 40, that's how itworks.
So, and and they wouldn'tquestion it, it would just be
the way it is, because the Popeis God's representative on earth

(01:42:46):
.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
You know how how fucked up is it that someone
would presume literally say myjob is to sit on the throne of
christ?

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
well, I mean, you would have to do that if you're
creating a new religion andyou're trying to uh propagate it
, you kind of have to say well,because what happens after your
main, you know, the main dude'sgone.
Like you got to come up withwith an explanation of how the
religion continues after he'sgone right, but no one needs to

(01:43:24):
sit on the throne of christbecause he's, if you like.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
If you like, for the orthodox religions that
basically believe in a dead god,sure um.
But if you are in the sect ofchristianity, I'm in.
You believe in a dead god, sureum.
But if you are in the sect ofchristianity, I'm in.
You believe in a living god, um, you know, and the whole he has
risen thing.
Um.
Why does anyone need to sitthere?

(01:43:51):
I don't get it like.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
It does not make sense to me well, it actually
does make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Well, it actually does make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
You're more of the orthodoxy type?
I think that no, because I canunderstand from the standpoint
of a young religion recentlycreated.
I think it is necessary to havesome tie-in to the God
representing him on earth.
You're looking at it from thestandpoint of like well, it's a
2 000 year old religion.

(01:44:22):
You just don't need that stuff.
I agree you don't today, rightthe tense, you have a whole
bunch of people that areprotestants, but when this was
religion was 100 years old, Ithink it was pretty important to
have someone that essentiallysat on you know Christ's throne

(01:44:43):
or stood in the footsteps ofPeter.
Like you have to be continuingthe line and showing that there
is a direct connection herebetween what your religion says
and what you're trying toconvince other people, because
it's a proselytizing religion.
If you just say we have a storyabout a guy that used to walk

(01:45:05):
the earth, who is the best guythat ever, ever was, uh and set
an example for us and died forour sins.
But he's gone and we're alljust equal as humans and we'd
like you to start worshiping himalong with us, it's like, well,
why you over somebody?
You know those, those guys overthere, you know they.

(01:45:28):
They have, uh uh, they havedirect sacrifices to, to, uh um,
see Diana or whoever you know,whatever pick your Roman God to
Jupiter, and where you know thatblood that is coming out of the
bowl is actually Holy blood,because the bowl was chosen not

(01:45:51):
by men but by Jupiter as to bepart of the sacrifice.
The men are carrying out thesetests.
The, the priests, have a way ofcommunicating directly with the
gods.
You're competing against that.
As a new startup religion thatcame out of the Middle East.
I think you have to do whatthey did.
I think you have to establishthis tradition of we have a

(01:46:14):
direct plug into our god and, bythe way, he's the best god, the
greatest he's a super God, bestof all time.
Best of all time.
So to me it makes sense now,because I'm looking at it from a
historical context and you'relooking at it from an actual

(01:46:34):
belief standpoint too.
I think that's the otherdifference.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Hmm, yeah, sure, hmm yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Sure, but it does.
But, like I said, I do thinkthat the particulars of
Catholicism makes me lesstrustworthy of uh people that
that are part of that religionthan part of the price inside.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
It's interesting because for me, I don't see
Catholics the same way I seeother Christian sects, you know
and so on.
I do have a pretty good issuewith the dogmatic law side of uh
catholicism.

(01:47:19):
It's right up there with um.
It's right up there with myviews on mormonism and islam to
be honest with you and you know,talmudic jews no such thing,
but okay it totally is so let meask you about what about like
seventh day editors?

(01:47:40):
uh well, they're their ownspecial kind of crazy, okay, um,
and the pentecostals as well.
You know those damnpentecostals, as used to say the
, the, the, the ones that playwith snakes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Is that that the Pentecostals?
Yeah, yeah, talking tongues.
Well, the talking tongues thing, wear long dresses.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
I don't, because it's a bullshit thing of like.
Speaking in tongues is a veryspecific thing in the Bible, and
just spouting gibberish thatsomeone else says they can
interpret does not mean you'retalking in tongues, so sorry.
Sorry to any Pentecostals.

(01:48:24):
I'm offending right now, butyou know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Sorry, not sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Yeah, I view that as moronic, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Yeah, what did you send me here about retaliatory
strikes?
I thought they had the truce.
It's funny, oh, it's funny,okay, funny, okay, okay, I'll
take a look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
I thought it's some guy in a cessna throwing a roll
of toilet paper out the windowand it's like you know,
pakistan's retaliatory strikeson uh, india, throwing them
toilet paper.
It's hilarious, uh, all right,so toilet paper.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Jesus Hilarious.
All right.
So yeah, somebody, somebody hada great post here.
It replies that's like so isthe U?
S going to be dropping Applegift cards?
All right, that'd be aboutright.
Or for the course.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
So what do you think of the Newark mayor getting
arrested?
I didn't know about that.
New York mayor got arrested.
Newark mayor got arrested forassaulting a police officer.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
Newark, newark.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Not New York, newark, newark yeah, newark.
New Jersey Mayor got arrestedfor assaulting an officer at an
ICE detention facility during aprotest.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Was that the chick that spit on him?

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Was it a chick or a guy?
It was a guy oh it was a guy,because I also saw some chick
that spat at an officer and Ithink they found who she was or
they were gonna arrest her um,yeah, no, uh, dim storm ice

(01:50:05):
facility new york mayor arrested.
Okay, good, good, no, I'm likegenerically, I can say that the
more politicians are that arearrested, the better it is for
everybody else and what I findso hilarious about this the left
is sitting there saying howdare they arrest him?

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
They can't arrest a mayor like this, and then the
response is just the mugshot ofTrump.
It's just fucking brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Uh-huh, yeah, I can see it.
So there was a guy that Ifollow that I don't know if you
follow him, but we talked abouthim before who's a guy here in
Dallas who his ex-wife ended upconverting his son to, you know,

(01:50:53):
be a girl and then he's beenfighting her for years.
She ended up moving tocalifornia and now the
california judge effectivelysaid he he can't communicate at
all with his children or hisex-wife.
So there's, I mean it's, it'sretarded.
The whole situation is crazy.

(01:51:13):
He got a crazy bitch wife,which when I posted that, he
thumbs up that.
But.
But he had a post on adifferent topic recently.
He's traveling to Europe rightnow, I guess, and he said isn't
it interesting how it is only inthe Orthodox or Catholic

(01:51:34):
countries that the woke wireshasn't been spreading and all
the Protestant countries,including the U S woke uh has
gotten to extremes?

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Ah, I don't know that that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Well, and I I kind of replied back with yeah, china
has the least woke of alls andprobably the second least, or
maybe even tying china, is iran,which has no woke.
No, no wrong.
What iran is wrong?
How's?

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
iran.
Iran is one of the biggest uhtransgender countries in the
world.
What, no, yes, becausehomosexuality is illegal and
they see the gender transitionas a way out of that.
You're kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
nope, really, yep, wow, that's.
That's interesting.
I didn't realize that.
Okay, I thought they justdidn't like any of the weirdos,
okay, well no, google irantransgender definitely has a lot
of trans.
I know that which is weird well, it's been a part of Indian
tradition and religion forliterally thousands of years.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
Yeah, and then Brazil , you know Brazil.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Brazil is a Catholic country, and they've got, you
know, but fuck Brazil is almostas bad as Thailand, dude, but
also woke, isn't just that Imean?

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
right, right, right, but it's a component of it, is
my point.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
So, and is my point?
So?
And and he said well, but I'mreferring really just to western
societies, but I I forgot aboutI should have mentioned brazil.
I kind of forgot about that,but he is right to some extent.
Like I don't think there areany orthodox countries that went
woke in the last uh greece no,no, greece is not woke uh g,

(01:53:16):
greece is extremely socialistic.
Yeah, they're socialistic.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
They're not woke though.
All right.
How are you defining woke?

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Well, blm, you know, I mean it's basically, it's, I
think, the socialism Greece inall of Europe, I don't think is
deniable.
But like there are Rainbowflags and um, uh, preferential

(01:53:50):
treatment to certain minoritiesbut not other minorities, like
all these types of things, Iokay, I don't know, maybe, I
mean, maybe they are.
I honestly I've just not reallygave a shit, a whole lot what's
happening in European countries.
I just know they're worse thanours.
Okay, I don't know.

(01:54:10):
Man Anyway, so he posted this.
I think he was wrong, I thinkhe's because I know that he is
Orthodox, so it kind of makessense that he would think that,
you know, there's less woke inOrthodox.
But also, I think that'ssomewhat a somewhat self you

(01:54:31):
know what's the phrase?

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Self-something prophecy, like if you pick
Self-fulfilling yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Self-fulfilling.
Yeah, if you pick certainfactors and then you look for
which countries have those andthen you say, well, those
countries, because they havethis one thing in common, it's
clearly that one thing that isresponsible for them having this
these factors it's.
I don't think it'sstatistically true, I guess is

(01:54:58):
the bottom line.
My argument would be more thatcountries that have a strong
morality are going to be lesswoke, and that morality doesn't
have to be a good one.
It could be a morality imposedby a socialist government like

(01:55:22):
China.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
Yeah, it's the ethic right but yeah, and the cohesion
of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And so in places where that isstrong, you have less woke, you
have less woke.
In places where there's beenindividual, liberty has tended
to be at the forefront, like alot of Western Europe and the U
S?
Um, that tends to be placeswhere the wires tends to stick

(01:55:53):
and grow.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
The reason why is because we, we make a conscious
decision to say you, do you, andwe don't want to oppress our
minorities.
We allow them to kind of go theway they go, and that means,

(01:56:14):
okay, yeah, you're going to endup with XYZ people deciding,
people deciding hey, I want tocut my dick off.
Um, okay, that doesn't affectme, so whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
so, yes, you have the next thing you know it's I want
to cut my, my kids dicks offand I.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
I think there has to be a balance, right, because I I
believe in individual libertyas a core principle and
something that has to exist,like if you're over 18 and you
make a decision to do somethingto your body, yeah, that is your
decision, I have nothing to sayabout it and and here's the way
I am, and I I'm in very muchagreement with you on that I

(01:56:54):
believe that people have and theright to self-mutilation and
the right to do stupid things.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
However, I also believe that the way that
society gets around that issueof people doing stupid things is
through a combination of shameand harsh treatment, meaning you
have the right to put a giantnose ring in your nose and
tattoo your face.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
I have the right to never hire you to do anything
for me and to ridicule you forit and to make fun of you.
Yeah, exactly Like that's thebalance.
It's not saying you can't dothat, you can't self-mutilate.
It's making it haveconsequences.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
Yeah, and the way I view abortion is very similar to
this.
In fact, I was having thisconversation the other day.
Abortion I don't want abortionto be illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
And the reason why is ?

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
because I don't want the government to feel the need
to intervene.
I think it should be morallyunthinkable and not something
that can even be thought ofexcept in extreme circumstances.

(01:58:14):
But here's the thing.
I don't think the state has aright to tell people I think
back to the fountainhead andagain, because I was going
through a bunch of Rand stufflast night I will die for you,
but I won't live for you.
No person has the right toforce someone else to live, to

(01:58:40):
benefit someone else at theexpense of themselves.
So what it comes down to is doI think abortion is good?
No, do I think it is a right?
No, do I think that we'vecreated a really shitty social

(01:59:01):
consciousness around this thathas really bad consequences long
term?
Yep.
So yeah, I don't know what tosay, other than we have to
figure out the way out of thisthis and I don't think it's
through legislation, I don'tthink it's through um anything

(01:59:25):
other than good morals andthat's

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
for all of the what my environment and and there
have been many instances well, Ishouldn't say many.
There have been instances where, uh, part of the admission to a
certain thing has been thereciting of the pledge uh,

(01:59:49):
galt's pledge.
I swear by my life and my loveof it that I will never live for
the sake of another man, norask another man to live for the
sake of mine.
Yeah, because that sentimentexcludes the possibility of
communism, socialism, all theisms um nationalism.
Because it effectivelyreaffirms the order of

(02:00:14):
importance of uh in in the umhierarchy of, I guess uh justice
or uh, I don't know what wouldbe the hierarchy that this would
be in of.
Yeah, it probably is justice.
Honestly, I mean it's it'splacing values on what is

(02:00:37):
important.
And important, I think, in thiscase, is tied to just, and the
voluntary ability to give yourlife for something is taken away
by the state's involuntarydetermination of what you can

(02:01:03):
and can't do with your lifeAgreed.
And this is also why I thinkthat is immoral for the state to
not allow suicide Agreed.
For the most part, again,there's nothing wrong with
trying to use non-legal means tokeep people from exercising the

(02:01:27):
right to suicide, but I thinkit is absolutely immoral to
presume that someone doesn'thave the right to their life,
and of course, we could alsoderive the right to slavery from
that.
Say that again.
We derive the right to slaveryfrom that, like if you cannot
sell your life, you don't ownyour life and that's an

(02:01:52):
important distinction is beingable to sell oneself into
slavery.
Not your kids, not other peopleyourself, yeah, Not your kids
not other people, yourself.
Exactly, exactly, or those youcapture during battle.
Yeah, okay, hey, conan wasright.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
Conan the Barbarian man.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
I've never seen those comic books and it is a shocker
to me sometimes that that wasactually a comic book originally
.
Uh, because it seemed like it'srich storytelling.
Why, why, I don't know.
I just kind of consider comicbook usually to be fairly
surface level.
Maybe I'm just not anaficionado of that stuff.
Okay, cool, and on that note,jean, let's wrap it up in and

(02:02:38):
that stuff Okay Cool and on thatnote, Gene.
Let's wrap it up.
Ben Been going for over twohours, Correct.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Well, I hope everyone had a good day, a good week,
and we'll catch you next time.
Please share the podcast andput it out there.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Yeah, and we had one more person subscribe.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
Yes, we did.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
I don't have their name here.
Share the podcast and put itout there.
Yeah, and we had one moreperson subscribe, which I, we
did.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
I don't have their name here.
Do you have that email?
I just closed.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
Buzzsprout Hold on, oh shoot.
But yeah, we want to thankeverybody that does support us
on a monthly basis.
We know people come and go.
Some people do it for one monthand then they're gone, and
that's great, we appreciate thatand other people have been with
us for over over a year yeah,yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
So I don't know if I want to.
We want to give out the uh lastname, but anthony anthony.
Yeah, that's so.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
Thank you, tony yeah, yeah, whichever, whether it's
anthony or tony and if you wantto support us.
Honestly.
The easiest way to do it is alink right in our podcast that
buzzsprout does the credit cardprocessing.
They give us, uh, a credittowards the fees that are paid
for hosting and ai processing ofthe episodes, all that good

(02:03:51):
stuff.
So it's what you're doing isyou're literally, uh, donating
money that goes directly towardscredit to the costs that we
have in doing the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
So we appreciate people we.
It basically goes into anaccount and when the revenue is
high enough, we don't payanything for the hosting fees
and stuff like that and we justlet it build up yep, uh.
And when, the, when people falloff or whatever, yep, um, we

(02:04:21):
end up paying the difference, oryou know, it comes out for a
bit and it works out.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
We're not making any money off of this no, we've
never made, and never haveexpected to make, any money off
this, but it is nice whensomebody else is at least
picking up the costs and thecosts are like if nobody was
donating money.
I think the monthly bills werelike 55 bucks thereabouts.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
It's like having domain and everything else, yeah
.

Speaker 2 (02:04:51):
Exactly.
Alright, guys, we'll catch youon the next one.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
See ya.

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