118 Just Two Good Old Boys

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Speaker 2 (00:00):
all right.
How are you doing today?
Doing good.
Hopefully, the first portion ofour conversation is not part of
the podcast we'll find out gene.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Uh, that is a very good way to get me to never
that's a good way to get you tobe all cheery and happy.
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
you sound chipper, oh , I've just uh been up since 4
30 this morning been up, I see.
Well, you wish me a happybirthday, it's your birthday oh,
happy birthday thank you, I didnot know yeah I'll have to take
note.

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what's going on, and bitcoin,bitcoin, bitcoin going down 25,

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more stress to everybody.
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It helps this not cost us to do.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's a we already put in the
time and efforts to.
Uh well, you do anyway, you.
You read stories.
I mostly don't, but you knowthat's a different issue.
It is a different issue.
I talked about it on uh thereon my other podcast on relenting
uh briefly as well, and wetalked about it last week.

(02:10):
But I just kind of feel likeI've been doing politics,
politics, politics for over ayear, starting pre-election, and
there there's definitely beensome burnout that I felt, um,
like I I probably get on twitteror x these days, maybe once a
day.

(02:30):
I used to be on it once an hourand I think that was my biggest
um place where I got newsstories where you know politics
is the main topic.
Uh, and cutting down on theamount of time I spend on X, I
think has reduced my, my sort ofdefault stress level a little

(02:54):
bit.
Um, because if you don't get onthere, you're not part of the
arguments, you're not part ofthe, the sort of um, what's the
phrase for it?
You know the pitchforks crowd.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, you're not part of the echo chamber, well, that
?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
yes, exactly exactly.
Because in that echo chamberand you have to recognize it
exists on both sides.
It's not just like the liberalshave an echo chamber and the
conservatives don't.
There's definitely an echochamber on both sides and it's
fun sometimes to just hang outwith people that think exactly

(03:32):
like you.
But it also gets to a pointwhere I mean, okay, we think
alike.
It doesn't mean we have to keeptalking about it every single
minute, that I, I'd love to seemore stuff happening on the x.
That was apolitical, that wasuh, you know, just on other

(03:53):
other topics like science ordames or whatever well, the type
of stuff I watch on youtube.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I don't know what feed you have, but mine is
mostly childish jokes.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, that would be appropriate for you.
Yes, mine is not.
Mine is probably about 90%Trump, people that keep talking
about Trump every day and about10% sort of ironic humor 10%.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
What Ironic humor.
Yeah, that would be appropriatefor you.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, it's the growing up watching BBC
comedies.
That's where I got it.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm sure that was the .
Yeah, I'm not going to make thejoke.
Never mind, I'll hold back onthe BBC joke.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yes, well, you hold your BBC while we keep going
with the show.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh man, so a bit has happened since we last talked.
Which bit?
It's been about a week.
Well, do you want to start withthe shooting or the bill?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Let's start with the bill, because I'm going to rain
on that parade, so we couldstart on that one.
So there's been a bill that'spassed that I never thought
would be passed in my lifetime,which includes a removal of
silencers, and Ben's about tocorrect me.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
going to correct me, are you okay?
Okay, the original patent saidsilencer, all right.
Well, let's stick to that then.
Not suppressors, uh.
But it removes silencers fromthe nfa, makes them totally
legal, which they always shouldhave been and, frankly, are.
It's just you have to pay a 200bill and have the government go
through all your yeah yeah, allthrough your materials, to give
you a yay or nay.

(05:52):
Uh, now you won't have to ifit's finished passing the senate
, which it won't but, um, I Idon't know that.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I think it actually may I.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I've called my guy and he is very much an old
rhino-type Republican, so Idon't know what it's going to do
.
My guy is the same as your guy,cornyn.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, cornyn and Cruz , yeah, and Cruz will be for it.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yes, cruz will be for it, but Cornyn won't be because
he's already done anti-gun shit.
Yeah we've got to get rid ofcornyn.
We do in texas, I agree.
I don't know why we keepreelecting.
Yeah, I told you my office wasright across from his right no
yeah, so when I lived in dallasum, I was uh, and that's why we

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keep reelecting him.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
By the way, is dfw?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
yeah yeah, it's definitely dallas uh, I ended up
getting an office.
Uh, I was a regional directorfor company down there security
firm and ended up we were hiringmore people so we needed a
bigger space.
So I I found office space.

(07:03):
Uh, that was in that samebuilding that he's in, which is
a great building right off of,not George Bush, it's off the.
Where's George Bush?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's the road, the turnpike.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
It goes between Frisco and the downtown.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, it's George Bush.
It is George Bush, yeah, yeah,it's george bush, yeah, yeah,
yeah, it's total yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
So uh found uh a great building there.
It's a health club downstairs,uh it's.
It's a neat building, nicelooking building and an office
on the top floor of the buildingand it's, you know, floor to
ceiling glass.
So it was a great view.
And right across from that,from that, was uh corner's

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office.
So if you go look at wherecorner's office is, uh, that's
literally the building and thesame floor that I was on, uh
when I was up there.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
well, very cool, but, um, I think we do have a good
chance of the Hush Act stayingpart of the bill.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Because it's already passed.
That's not how that works.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
The Senate will pass their own bill.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
They'll go into reconciliation.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
At which point then?
Then it's once again going tobe in arguments can we convince
the senate to include it, or isthe senate going to convince the
house to exclude it?
And and this is where I justdon't have I I don't think we
have the votes we will see.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Um, I think the hushush act staying in the bill
is a much better chance than theshort.
The short bill getting in,which is removal of SBRs from.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, that's not going to get in period.
Yeah, it really should, though.
Yeah, yeah, I think it'd begreat if they got them both
taken care of and then theycouldn't work on machine guns
after that.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, and this is where Vance can really play a
pivotal role, Because even if itcomes down to a 50-50 vote in
the Senate, Vance can move thatneedle right.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I think we'll have probably four Republicans
minimum that will vote againstthat, because there are plenty
of anti-gun Republicans,especially in the Senate.
They're all gung-ho to sendyoung men to war but they God
forbid those same exact people,when they get home, are allowed

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to have a gun.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Defend themselves.
Yeah, you know the SBR rule issuch a bullshit rule Completely.
It was added in historicallybecause they wanted concealed
weapons.
They wanted to get rid ofconcealable weapons, yeah.
And short barrel rifles, whenthe NFA was passed, weren't
really a thing, yeah, so that'swhy they were able to get that

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through.
They really wanted to get ridof handguns.
They wanted to put handguns onthe NFA, but that was just a
non-starter.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the whole NFA.
If you look at it in thecontext of when it was passed,
and especially if you watch someof the videos of the debates
back then, if you watch some ofthe videos of the debates back
then, uk Gene, it was well.

(10:32):
I still get that stupid coughleft over from my cold.
I don't feel bad, but it'sstill stuck in my throat.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm right there with you.
I've been coughing for weeks aswell.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It just will not go away.
Yeah, and if I actually cough,actually cough, cough, I'll hit
the the mute button so that youguys can't hear me.
But if I'm just clearing somephlegm maybe I won't do that.
But anyway, uh, it was aknee-jerk reaction to just
simply say to the public yes, weknow that violence is getting

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kind of extreme and, look, we'redoing something about it.
This was literally the onlything that they could think of
to do was to pass this stupidlaw that affects every single
American, to account for theless than 1% of Americans that
were having issues with gang,with gang violence well, and

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something on this is thank godfor inflation right, because the
200 tax stamp now is not as bigof a deal as I think it was
equivalent to about fourthousand dollars back then.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
So this you know people think, oh, 200 bucks, but
you got to think in terms of1930s dollars.
Yeah, and holy shit, was that atax?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
it was very much meant to the.
The reason I think and I don'thave evidence, this is my, my
conjecture here is I think thereason it had a tax amount at
all was simply because they weresaying they could do it legally
.
Well, I think they could havedone it another way, but I think
that the reason we have thatamount at all was because a lot

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of the friends of the senatorsand Congress critters had guns
and their friends were rich andthey obviously wanted to make
sure that they didn't have tochange anything.
They were doing that.
There was an exclusion, therewas a cutout.
Well, I mean, sure you don'twant you know the riffraff
owning those guns, but surelythose of us that have money can

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be trusted with them.
So I think it's pretty typicalBecause, remember, the Clinton
gun bans did not have any kindof an exclusion or did not have
any kind of a uh cut out, for ifyou pass more money than you
can still do it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
They just banned outright well and, quite frankly
, would have been, should havebeen deemed unconstitutional.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
But well, it was always unconstitutional.
The problem was the supremecourt at the time and, frankly,
direction we're moving uh, onceagain, unfortunately is the
court was very much anti-gun andso they're not going to do
anything about it, even if thelaw is unconstitutional.
They're going to just well.
It looks fine to me.
So I think we've been blessedfor a short period of time with

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the supreme court.
Prior to Amy Comey Barrett,that was actually pro-gun.
Now, once again, the court isevenly tied anti-gun and I think
the next justice likely to beput in is also going to be
anti-gun.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
So we've got a short window.
Why do you think that I thinkTrump may have learned his
lessons from Trump's not goingto get to put in the next one?
Oh yes, he is Clarence Thomasis going to step down before
Trump's.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
If Clarence Thomas steps down during Trump's period
, the person replacing him will100% guaranteed be less pro-gun
than Clarence Thomas.
Well, that's because.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Clarence thomas.
Well, that guy fucking baseddude the the there isn't anyone
better than clarence, thomas.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
What we need is a clone I think he is a probably
not just the greatest supremecourt justice of my lifetime.
I think he is likely thegreatest supreme court justice
ever disagree.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Disagree, alito.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
No.
You gotta remember Alito.
I like Thomas dude.
I've been seeing Thomas'rulings since my 20s and it's
hard for me to find one Idisagree with, because the ones
the Supreme Court rulings that Idisagree with usually wrote the

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uh opposing opinion.
So I I don't know man he's uh.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think he's been excellent for the supreme court
well, we'll see what uh ends uphappening, but I think
suppressors will be off the nfahere shortly.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I I hope so, which means I'll actually get a
suppressor.
Prices will drop like crazy.
Oh prices are totally going todrop.
Yeah, because I think they'regoing to realize look guys, the
market just grew by 900%.
Like about 10% of the peoplethat would buy a suppressor were

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willing to buy it through thenfa.
Now that's if it passes, whichI still don't think it will.
But if it passes, uh, we'regonna have that.
Market is just gonna go wideopen.
Uh, you know we'll be that.
We'll have the other issuesuppressors will take nine
months to get because they won'tbe available.

(15:47):
Yeah, yeah so there's the.
The flip side of it is, if youwant a suppressor this year, you
may want to still buy it withthe nfa yeah, I'm not gonna do
that, all right well, in thatcase, um, you know, make sure
you talk to your local gun shopand say hey, as soon as the NFA

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passes, I'm on the list.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
dude, whatever it is just put me on the list.
Well, anyway, I think there isa chance that the short act.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
It sucks when we both have to cough at the same time
dude.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, I think that there is a chance that the short
act gets in, but what it'sgoing to take and this is
something I would like everyoneto do- you got to call your
senators.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Call your senators.
I'm going to give differentadvice than what all the
youtubers are saying they're.
They're giving out everyone'sgiving out the same phone number
for the dc switchboard for, uh,calling your congress critter.
I've done that.
It just rings.
It doesn't go anywhere.
They don't have enough peopleto answer it.

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It's a waste.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
That's part of the reason why I think it's gonna
get through is because the DCswitchboard has been the
congressional switchboard hasbeen overloaded.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, it has completely been overloaded, but
it's been overloaded on previousissues, not this time.
Like I've called before, Icould never get through.
I just looked up the localphone number of Cordon's office
and call them, and they pickedit up immediately, because no
one calls the local number.
So I would actually encourageanyone.
I mean, try the dc one.

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But if you, if you don't getthrough, if you're on hold
forever, just call your local,local office for the senator and
likely you'll get through a lotfaster.
You'll talk to a human being,you will express what it is your
and they're prepared for it,like they're.
You know.
What we need is just your zipcode.
Uh, we don't need your name, wejust need to know what the

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actual topic is, what youropinion is and what your zip
code is, because that's allthey're doing is putting stats
together.
They're like, yeah, 14 callsfrom austin area, uh, that are
pro this.
Uh, three calls against it.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, that's what we're really doing I so when I
called my congress, the otherthing I would suggest that you
do is let them know if this isgoing to affect your vote and
that you are a active voter.
Um, yeah, that's a good idea.
You know, one of the thingsthat really matters to them is
when you say I'm an active voter.
I voted in the last blanknumber of elections.

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This will, uh, I vote inprimaries and this will modify
the way I vote for thiscandidate and it's a complicated
way of what I said is justsimpler.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's like I don't think that if this doesn't go my
way, that cordon's gonna get myvote next time yeah, that's
fine, cordon's not getting myvote next time, no matter what,
he never got my vote is thereality.
I never vote for him.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I leave it blank, but um well, I vote against him in
every primary yeah, in theprimary either here or there
what?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
yeah, yeah, but the point is, let them know that
you're a voter, that here's yourzip code and here's your
opinion on the topic and, as bensuggested, let them know that
you will use this as criteriafor whether you vote for him in
the primary or not.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, and I really think that can shift the needle.
Oh, it can, I agree.
So did you see the other news?
I sent it to you.
Alex Jones and Ted Nugent.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Did you watch that video?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, so Alex Jones and Ted Nugent are predicting that
Trump is going to eviscerate theNFA through mass pardons.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's what Ted Nugent looks like now.
Holy shit what.
It's not what I.
I mean he looks kind of fat.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Dude, don't speak ill of Uncle.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Uncle ted, he is an awesome human being no, I like
ted, that's just I used to seehim looking like uh you know,
kind of a rocker cowboy yeah,anyway, he, he's gained a little
bit of weight.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
but regardless what they're, what they're looking at
is that trump, uh, upon thesuccessful pass of the big,
beautiful, beautiful bill, youknow, bbv, instead of build back
better.
It's big, beautiful bill, butone of the things he's looking
at doing is mass pardon, soanyone who was convicted of a

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gun charge with no associatedviolent crime.
So, for instance, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, NFA charges.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, or NFA charges, or even you're a drug dealer
selling drugs and you have a gunon you, and now that's a
federal gun crime.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right, right right.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
So what he's looking at is literally pardoning
millions of people, restoringtheir rights as they should, and
setting up challenges to it.
The other thing is apparently,according to alex and ted um,
trump is directing the doj notto prosecute any add-on gun

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charges, like if it's a materialcharge, fine, but if it's not a
material charge, nope, which ishuge now that that does not
solve the problem because itonly lasts as long as trump and
potentially vance, is in office.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, but it's a hell of a blow oh yeah, agree, well,
and the pardon are always good.
And if Trump did this and hedid a pardon for anyone that was
convicted of nonviolent drugoffenses, holy shit, he would
get the entire country votingfor Vance the next time.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's not even just that.
It's like one guy was talkingabout how in fact it was Ted
Nugent.
He was talking about a farmerbuddy of his that had a
defective muffler on a tractorand the EPA came after him and
it ended up charging him andconvicting him of a felony.

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That now he has his SecondAmendment rights removed.
That's insane.
Your rights should be, andthroughout the majority of our
history as a country, when youwere done serving your time,
your rights were restored.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Maybe that's the law that actually needs to change.
What the hell law says?
That you lose your gun rightswhen you become a felon, because
that's what they need to goafter.
Agreed your gun rights when youbecome a felon, because that
that's what they need to goafter.
Agreed, I mean, look, I, Icertainly want to be have the
ability to buy a silencer.
The short barreled rifle thing,I think, is almost irrelevant.

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It shouldn't exist as acategory, but the fact that it
does doesn't really change awhole lot other than the
buttstock you get to use in yourgun.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right.
The short-barreled rifles needto come off.
The any other weapon categoryneeds to come off.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
We just need to take the F out of ATF, is all.
Just leave them with alcoholand tobacco.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Here's the thing.
I can make an argument and Idon't believe.
I think any gun law is aninfringement to the Second
Amendment.
Ok, any gun law shall not beinfringed is?
You know that you're done?
You know that you're done, youknow?
Uh, but that said, if we wantto sit there and say, hey, there

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are certain categories ofweapons we want to restrict, um,
machine guns don't make sensewith force reset triggers and
binary triggers and everythingelse anymore.
The only one that sits thereand you could possibly make a
case for to me is destructivedevices, explosives.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, that's another thing I've never liked.
I think it's stupid that Texashas laws against putting booby
traps in your house.
Agreed, that's my fucking house.
I should be able to have boobytraps Agreed.
And if there is a law we need,there's a law that says that if
you are in the process ofcommitting a uh, criminal

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offense against somebody, youcan never sue that person if
they kill you your survivorscan't yes exactly no one can't I
?
Exactly no one can.
I mean it's just, the stoppingof a criminal act should never
be penalized, ever, for anyreason.
Agreed so done.

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That's it, we're done, show'sover.
We solved all the problems ofthe world.
It basically means more guns inmore hands and men acting like
men.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yes, amen, brother.
You're supposed to say Amen,brother.
I will say that I think thatit's going to be interesting to
see what ends up past.
There's a lot of good things inthis bill.
There's a lot of bad things inthe bill.
Part of the reason why they'regoing the direction they are is

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because they're going totheoretically start using a tool
called rescission.
So rescission, the reason whytrump wanted to go this way pass
a clean budget, get somethingin there and then what they can
do is start chopping stuff offthrough rescission.
And the reason why is becauseit takes less.

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It's just a simple majorityvote in both houses, no issues
there.
Part of the reason why they'reattaching the Suppressor Act and
the Short Barreled Rifle Act tothis bill is A they can because
it's a tax to this bill is athey can because it's a tax, and

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b um.
Again, budget bills onlyrequire simple majority.
So that's a big win there.
So if we don't start seeinghere by june, rescission bills
coming out of committee andstart getting passed, yeah, that
should be a warning sign toeverybody yep, agreed.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, that's um.
I mean again, I, I am very uh,you know I'm generally the glass
is half empty, kind of guy um,but that doesn't mean that I

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won't be happy if I'm wrong.
In fact, quite often I'll behappy if I'm wrong I am very
hopeful that you're wrong so amI.
I'm hopeful that I'm wrong, butmy, my default position on this
is I don't trust this setup.
And, by the way, did you seethe look on?

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Uh, what's his face?
His face, the, uh, the speakerof the house.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Uh, when, this yeah, mike's face when he announced it
that it passed, like it was alook of happiness and utter
surprise yeah, yes, and I don'tfault him for being surprised,
because you know that they hadfailed a couple of times.
There were several issues here.

(27:34):
Um, you know it's, it was not ait was not a clean thing when
you've got republicans likethomas massey coming out against
it.
You know a lot of people you'rea big fancy fan, aren't you?
I am, but uh and I.
But here's the thing, um andthis says a lot for me to say

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this um, there are times whenyou can't just stand on
principles.
There are times when you haveto be pragmatic.
I think there are times whenyou shouldn't be pragmatic, but
that's, that's me, like.

(28:18):
I'm a free speech absolutist.
I am a second amendmentabsolutist.
Yeah, you know, there there arelots of things that I will sit
there and say you have to standup and hold to your principles
regardless of what someone elsedoes.
That said, that said sorry, Ijust listened.

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Really funny, you lost yourtrain of thought.
Well, I'm on the same exact page, massey sitting there saying
this didn't cut enough and so on.
It's still cut.
It still did take the win whereyou have.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah, and that's that's.
The thing is, this is the artof negotiation, and and a lot of
libertarian types, uh, score anf on the art of negotiation uh,
it's an all, or?
nothing play every time.
For them, it's it's almost likeyour first game of the season.
You have to win, otherwise yougive up and you go home.

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And that kind of attitude, um,is not statistically practical,
agreed.
So I think it's good to stickto your guns, I think it's good
to act like it's this or you aregonna go home, but you gotta

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know when to take the win, andthat's that's very true.
And this is something that, in alot of ways, this was an
annoyance for me when I was, youknow, managing large projects
around the world in security.
The attitudes in some of thesecountries, especially Australia,
were very, very lax Like, well,we'll give it our best shot.

(30:00):
I'm like, well, I don't needyour best shot, I need you to
actually succeed Now.
If you don't think you're goingto succeed with your best shot,
I'm like, well, I don't needyour best shot, I need you to
actually succeed now.
If you don't think you're gonnasucceed with your best shot,
then I need to replace you.
Let me know, because, uh, I'dmuch rather replace you now than
replace you after you failed.
And then I get a call into hrbecause I was mean to the person

(30:22):
.
You know it's like well, jesus,fucking christ, you know I'm
trying to.
I'm trying to run amultimillion dollar project that
has to succeed and if I don'thave people that are willing to
actually do the right thing atthe right time, then it's
guaranteed to fail.
So I need to have people thataren't going to bitch about me,
putting them in too much stressby telling them that I need to

(30:46):
win.
And if I and again I'm nottelling him you have to do this,
or or else I'm telling him ifyou can't do it, tell me, I'll
put somebody else in.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Right, and you know that's.
It's unfortunate that you haveto be that way, because adults
should, you know, produce,produce.
They should cobble their wholelives.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
It started with your generation and kept going
downhill after that yeah, well,I I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think there's plenty in your generation.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Quite frankly, no that uh we drank water from the
garden hose dude.
So did I don't.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Don't start with us Dude, dude, dude.
I'm sorry, but Gen Xers arevery much.
You know, they have been beaten.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Just watch what you say, boy.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
They've been beaten down by their boomer
predecessors and have neverthey've never succeeded.
They've never been put in thesepositions.
In fact, millennials arehopping over Gen xers.
Uh, quite a bit like I haveseveral times more of them
correct and there are more of usand, quite frankly, those of us
who can and will.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I don't know why you keep talking about us because
you are so much a gen xer in theway you were brought up that
your actual age has little to dowith the way you act you are
you're basically in the honorarygen xer, so shut the fuck up
and quit ragging on us all,right, well?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
anyway, yeah.
Yeah point is people arechildren that don't produce.
I have to deal with it all thetime with my employees on just
herding the cats and, you know,doing stuff.
That is just like having totell people hey, yeah, like I

(32:32):
had an employee.
So we're, we're running thismulti-million dollar project
right Over $15 million over fiveyears and I had an employee
that's going to be running anemployee that's going to be
running a um one of the workstreams and literally he told me
that he was not planning ondoing any reporting to the

(32:53):
customer on his burn rate.
What?
he was doing his success, hisfailures, etc.
And I'm I just said well, Idon't care what you think you're
going to do, you are going todo this.
But who in their right mindthinks that on a big project
like this?
Oh, I don't need to tell thecustomer anything.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, you can think that until you're told otherwise
.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Okay, I don't think that.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I think it's moronic.
These are all negotiated termsin the contract, so it's pretty
straightforward that if there'ssome activity which takes up a
percentage of your time which isnot in the contract, then you
shouldn't be doing it becauseit's not in the contract.
Yeah, it'd be change order.
It was once.

(33:48):
It's a change order, then it'sin the contract.
My point is that if you startdoing activities which the
customer did not specify wererequirements, then now you're
actually wasting your owncompany's time.
So this is why it's not a blackand white issue.
It's like yeah, you shouldalways do it.
No, you should do it if it'ssomething that the customer

(34:10):
wants, and there are absolutelycustomers out there that will
bitch about.
Well, why are you spending 12%of your billable hours on
detailing what you're spendingtime on?
Don't do that, just do the workfor me.
There are customers like thatand I've dealt with them.
So it really depends on who thecustomer is, and some customers

(34:30):
want way too much data in myopinion.
They want to have all theinsights and you literally do
spend 10% of your time justdocumenting and 90% doing.
There are other customers thatonly care about the end result
and they're like look, this iswhy I hired you guys.
I don't need to know whatyou're doing, how you're doing
it.
All I need to know are twothings one, you're on budget and

(34:54):
two, you're going to get itdone yeah, and that's where.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
So the reporting structure that I've laid out
that we're going to go with onthis project is we're going to
tell them what we're doing theproject.
So we chose some items from therisk report that we just did
and we're hitting those highimpact work streams.
So we've got three work streamsgoing.
What we're doing right now isbetween now and the end of June,

(35:21):
which is when we're going to doour next OPR with the customer,
we're telling them our workplan from now to the end of June
, which is when we're going todo our next OPR with the
customer.
We're telling them our workplan from now to the end of June
.
So we did that At the end ofJune.
What we're going to do is we'regoing to go back and say all
right, these tasks that we toldyou we were going to do, here's
what we accomplished out of it,the plus, the minus, whatever it
ends up being.
Here's the burn rate.
Here's what we got to and wherewe're at.

(35:48):
Like.
I'm not going super detailedhere, but you have to have some
semblance of accountability inreporting.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, well, you need internal reporting regardless.
Oh, that's very different.
That's very different.
Internal reporting is you know,I'm, quite frankly,

(36:18):
micromanaging the hell out ofpeople's timesheets right now
because people are children.
Yeah, that's very true, that isa good point.
But either way, my only pointthere is that it's easy to
locked into cause.
I've seen both sides of this,right, it's easy to get locked
into an overly regimented uhapproach from your company,
which for some clients isabsolutely a must, for other

(36:40):
clients is a waste of time, andso I think the flexibility and
getting the pulse of what yourclient is looking for is very
important and uh, agreed, andthat's.
You know, the bigger thecompany, the less flexibility
you tend to have, and I knowyou're in a very large company
right now.

(37:00):
But, uh, certainly I.
I don't think it's just ablanket statement to say, well,
you got to have that level ofdetail and reporting and
rigidity, no matter what clientit is, because it's our approach
, because I've been in a companythat did that.
And the client says, well, Idon't care what your approach is
, if you want to work with me, Idon't need you wasting time,

(37:21):
sure.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
So do you want to go to the shooting or do you want
to talk biden?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
let's talk, biden, get that out of the way so uh,
raise your hand.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, um, did you see ?
Uh, what's his name?
Uh, dilbert creator.
What's his name?
Scott adams.
So he has the exact same formof cancer that Biden has, and he
came out about it.
Yeah, it's a.
And he's like there's no waythis happened, it's a butthead
cancer?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, it's basically when your ass is connected
directly to your head.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Okay.
Anyway, we've had staffers leakinformation saying yeah, he,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
He had Biden leak that he said he had cancer and
then they had to like two yearsago.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
But dude.
So Obama and Trump, theprostate cancer marker was on
the medical report for thepresident.
No one noticed until lookingback retrospectively that it was
not for Biden.
He's had prostate cancer.
They chose not to treat him soit wouldn't be obvious.

(38:32):
And then you have the.
I assume by now you've listenedto the Axios tape, right?
No?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh my God, dude, you should send me a link if you
want to listen to something Ihave.
I don't know.
No, I actually know.
Of course I did.
I'm just yanking your chain.
The video.
I watched the video.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I mean Biden is.
He's been senile for a longtime.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
We've known this, but not to that extent, man.
Yeah, yeah.
So any bill that was signed viaauto pin, yeah for biden was
not signed by him we have.
The biden presidency needs tomore or less be erased from
history.
Yeah, it has to be, yeah yeah,this is.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Uh, this was a.
This is really Obama's thirdterm.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, it's crazy to me because
people need to realize.
So the Axios tape was leaked onFriday, sunday.
Oh, he's dying of cancer.
Right, right, right, right,right, right, yeah, like if that

(39:47):
is not a perfect example of youknow, okay, uh, so we've, we've
lost the narrative here.
It's time to kill him off.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I don't know what is yeah, well, I think he's been
slowly getting killed off.
I don't know what kind of dealthey made, but I suspect the
deal back when he got picked tobe the vp for obama was here's
the deal biden, you get to wrapup not as a senator, but as a
president.
You have to do zero work.

(40:22):
First, you're gonna spend fouryears as my veep doing nothing,
because we all watch the showVeep and how little the veep
actually does.
You mean eight years, oh, thefirst.
Oh, yeah, eight years.
You have to remind me nowyou're getting me depressed.
It was eight years.
It should have been four, butit was eight years.

(40:42):
And then after that, you get tobe president for four years
while I'm still going to run thecountry.
I don't believe that Obamadidn't have anything to do with
this.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, anyway, I don't know, man, biden is cooked,
biden is cooked, I think, whatwe have seen out of this both
the cancer diagnosis and theleaked tape anyone who can argue

(41:15):
with a straight face that thiswasn't elder abuse and people
should go to jail for elderabuse, I don't know what to tell
you.
Yeah, but he's black and peopleshould be going to jail.
And trump mentioned this fortreason because someone was
running uh, someone was runningthe country and it sure as fuck

(41:38):
wasn't him.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
So we'll see yeah, yeah, it's just sniffing
children mostly.
Uh, I would love to have Obamabe put in jail wouldn't that be
something.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Wouldn't that be something start getting him
prosecuted and put him where hebelongs well, I think, I think
that would be a little bit moredifficult than, uh, some of the
others.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
But some of the nfa stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
So I will say um you know, several biden staffers
have reportedly lawyered up herein the last you know 36 hours
or so.
So if that's the case, it couldbe really interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, I agree, I agree.
Well, all right.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And then what was the next one?
The, uh, the shooting in dc.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, if we want to go down that rabbit hole, yeah,
I mean first of all you arejewish after all, so well, yes,
I am jewish um, not practicing,as you well know, I enjoy my
bacon, but uh.
But I think that if there wasever something that could be

(43:12):
called a race-based hate crime,I mean that's right there as
somebody that specificallytargeted people not because of
anything that they themselvesdid, but because of what they
were born as.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, and I mean, this was, this was not.
Oh, I'm just going to shootpeople.
They were crawling away.
Uh, the girl was crawling awaytrying to get away.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
He reloaded and shot again Like this is a heinous
heinous, I mean to be fair hedid exactly what we all trained
to do, which is to be able totactically reload.
But, um, I don't know, man.
I mean you've seen the movieheat, right?

(44:03):
No really, oh my god, it's oneof the greatest gun movie scene
in the in the history of movies.
Uh the uh.
There were scenes in that moviethat are used in the fbi
academy uh, what's the movie eat?
h-e-a's got, uh, de Niro andPacino in it, okay.

(44:27):
And I know, 1995, super libs,yeah, I watched it in the big
screen, the theater when it cameout and it was a movie we
talked about for like yearsbecause it had cause.
You know, a lot of us werealready gun guys back then and
it had the most realisticportrayals of gun battle,
several gun battles, in fact, ofany film, because most of them

(44:49):
were, like you know, all you seeis a guy shooting 120 times and
missing every single time.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Well, I will put it on the list.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Put it on your list.
It is definitely a movie thatevery gun buff will enjoy and,
um, I won't tell you anymore.
I you'll watch it.
I don't want to spoil it, butum, anyway, the training has

(45:19):
always been to reload just likeyou shoot, which is using muscle
memory and reflexively doing it, sure and not stopping and
deciding oh, should I reload ornot?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
right, right.
But look, man.
First of all, this guy waspacing outside the event.
You know he decided to killthis couple coming out, which I,
you know I'll disagree with youbecause I don't give a shit why
you choose to kill someone.
The fact that you're killingsomeone is a hate crime.

(45:53):
There, there is no, um, thereis no.
There should not be any changein the punishment based off of
you know someone's race, creed,ethnicity.
What the reason was, oh, Idon't.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I agree.
I don't think there should beany difference.
I'm just saying from a like.
If you ask somebody, why didyou kill them?
You know a lot of murdererswill say well, you know, I had
the opportunity.
It was, it was my chance to beable to kill somebody.
Or they're going're gonna saybecause he screwed my wife, you
know it's that kind of thing.

(46:30):
So one is a rational reason,one is a mental illness reason
in this case.
I don't think it was mentalillness, but it certainly wasn't
anything that was related tothese people.
This was a lashing out at thecountry of israel by killing
somebody who's not israeli.
I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
It's stupid, but at the same time I I can't fault
the guy for knowing how toreload yeah, and you know, we
know this because he chantedafterwards when he was being
arrested free, free Palestine.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
He did chant the exact same thing that guys on
Twitch chat on Twitch chant allthe time as well, which I think
is going to have repercussionsfor Twitch because I guarantee
you they're going to pull hisTwitch watching streams.
Oh yeah, mm-hmm.
How did he get radicalized?

(47:27):
Well, he was watching all thesepalestinians on twitch telling
you to go kill jews.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
thanks, bezos well, uh, yeah, the, and there are
some, definitely some streamerson Twitch that are a little
they're not quite calling forviolence, but they're really
really pushing that limit yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, no, and it's Twitch has the same people
working in the.
What is that?
What is that department calledthe?
Uh dei?
Yeah, basically, I mean it's.
It's got the people.
Basically all the people thatwere fired from x after musk

(48:18):
came in is exactly the samepeople that are still working at
twitter or at twitch.
Uh, so it's, it's the safetyand whatever department, it's
the department you complain to.
Basically.
So, when people complain aboutvideos that call for killing
jews, they say they get aresponse says freedom of speech.

(48:41):
When they complain about videosthat uh talk about um, you know
, biden having uh mental issues,then they take that channel
down.
It's.
I'm using an example.
It's maybe not a great one.
The point is they absolutely,as employees in the department

(49:06):
that gets to choose whethersomebody is suspended or banned
or whatever in that department,they are 100% supporting the
anti-Jew violence that ishappening right now.
They think that this issomething that has to happen
because free, free Palestine.
This is something that has tohappen because free, free

(49:29):
Palestine.
Like they literally would chantthe exact same thing and
probably do on weekends, whenthey're not working at Twitch.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
So I think there's a good chance here of Twitch going
down, and it'd be about timeyou really think Twitch is going
to go away.
Yeah, what you mean by twitchgoing down?

Speaker 1 (49:48):
okay, let me explain.
So bezos told his newspaperthat he owns the uh washington,
uh, not the times, the other one, washington post post, that
they will no longer be doing uhcontent.
That is anti-Trump.
Yes, he can fire anybody hewants in there.

(50:11):
If they do, I mean it's hisfucking property.
So is Twitch Okay?
Do the same exact thing toTwitch Say Twitch will have no,
but Twitch isn't going away.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
It'll just they'll editorialize.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Here's why I think it's going to go away.
Right now, twitch is gettingmassive publicity in terms of
advertisers that are saying yourads are mostly shown on
channels that say go kill a Jew.
Do you want your ads being onchannels like that?
Because that's what they'reshowing up as, because that's

(50:49):
what the big channels on twitchare basically that there.
There's two things on twitchthere's babes barely wearing any
clothes trying to get you to goto their only fans page, and
there are guys that are uh,chanting free, free, palestine.
There's no gaming on twitchanymore and people don't game on
there.
You know there's a handful Ilike I broadcast on there, but

(51:13):
uh, there's very little actualgaming that happens there
anymore.
Everyone's pretty much movedoff onto either youtube or onto
rumble.
Rumble's got some of thebiggest gamers on there because
they're actually paying themLike Rumble, as a company is
paying them exclusivity money tobe on their platform.
Dr Disrespect is on there nowand nowhere else.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Okay, I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
He was one of the highest number of subscribers.
People on Twitch Okay, he's asix foot eight gamer dude that
has a persona that he worked outWell.
First of all, he looks like a1970s porn movie actor.
Okay, the porn stash thing.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
All right, I got to look this guy up.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, yeah, look up Dr Disrespect.
He's an interesting characterporn stash thing, but it's all
right, I gotta look this guy up.
Yeah, yeah, look up drdisrespect.
Uh, he's an interestingcharacter.
I think he created a characterfor himself and he's always he
definitely looks like a 70s pornstar, you're correct you see
what I mean, right?
Yes, yeah, and if you everwatch his streams like he's

(52:24):
totally, totally in characterthe whole time, of that 70s porn
star but he has gotten, he'sworked that character to become
a multi, multi,multi-millionaire.
I think he's probably made about20 or 30 million doing this and
he actually is a pretty goodgamer.
But gaming is about 50 of ashtick.

(52:45):
The other part is justinsulting people.
Um, I don't know, he's fun too,but he, he, you know he's no
longer on on twitch.
He is, uh, exclusively onrumble, along with a whole bunch
of other people I've seen onthere and I stream on rumble as
well.
Um, I, I try stream when Istream.

(53:06):
Good for you.
But youtube is where the realaudience is for me and I think
it is for most people, and a lotof you know now that I'm.
I'm like a, a, uh, youtuber,whatever person, and I talk to a
lot of other people that dothis.
Everyone, everyone's kind ofsaid that the gamers have moved

(53:28):
off of Twitch.
So when I say Twitch is goingto die, what I mean by that is
their advertising revenue isgoing to shrink drastically and
they will have a choice to makeOne, literally die or two
drastically change what theyallow on the platform and if

(53:49):
they want to go back to the olddays of nothing but gaming, uh,
maybe they can rebuild it andregrow it, but right now there
there's there are the downwards.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Who's even on twitch other than you know?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
you, I told you who it is?
It's?
It's mostly chicks that aretrying to get you to go to their
only fans, so they're doingnon-only fans level content, but
basically advertising for theironly fans.
Um, like amaranth was on you.
You remember amaranth, thechick that was robbed in houston
?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
uh, attempted robbery , yes, and I, yeah, I had never
seen her really before.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, before that very, very cute girl.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Um, yes, she's got, she's got like very.
How did I miss this one?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
yeah, yeah and and she's uh, she's actually pretty
sweet in terms of of just theway she acts and stuff.
She's not the perfect porn star, but she's made millions on
Twitch but made tens of millionson OnlyFans.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
She was on Twitch.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
She started off where she was on on twitch, sitting
in a bikini and uh, her bigthing was if you donate I can't
remember what it was ten dollarsat 25 or whatever dollar amount
uh, she writes your name with adry erase marker on her body ah

(55:22):
, okay, so she was just like inthe bikini covered with people's
names yeah, and people thinkit's funny and they're willing
to pay money for it.
Well that you know, when you addit up, when you start looking
at it, she's making likethousands per hour and uh why is
life so easy for beautifulwomen?

(55:42):
Because it should be.
They are the best genetics thata guy could get yeah.
And, much like peacocks, we arepre-programmed to.
Whether you think it'sevolution or God, either way,
we're pre-programmed to seek outthe perfect mate to go have

(56:03):
kids with, the perfect mate togo have kids with.
And so when you're a beautifulwoman, you display good genetics
and men are attracted to goodgenetics.
That's universal.
You can't not be attracted tothat.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Our society is so screwed.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
It's the reason that that black people like big butts
historically and this goes wayback in africa, and it doesn't
matter what part of africa.
But when food is scarce, whatdemonstrates?
Uh, good genetics and anability to have sufficient

(56:46):
calories A big but Because it'snot a necessary location to
store fat Like if you're skinnybecause you're not eating much,
you're not going to have a veryhigh chance of having a healthy
baby.
So it's all biologicallyexplainable.
There's nothing mysteriousmysterious to me at least about

(57:08):
it.
But amaranth has an hourglassfigure and exactly the type that
you're very attracted to.
I don't mind her tits, butthey're not gonna like, make me
go crazy, but you like thosedouble D's.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Oh, I mean, you know, uh, I have my standards.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yes, yeah, Like a C cup is perfectly fine for me.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I don't know that's a minimum.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
That's a minimum.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
For you that's a minimum, but for me that's ideal
.
Uh, so, anyway, how's it get?
On the topic of I don't know.
But you know, I'm distractednow anyway, clearly yeah,
wouldn't want to make you gettoo distracted, oh god I've had
enough issues today.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
All right, so you think twitch is going away,
which it definitely is goingaway in the format.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
It is right now whether it goes away goes away
or whether it changes formatdrastically to try and recoup
some of the revenue fromadvertising.
But it's it.
It's not going to stay the wayit is, because right now it's
just basically used as a aplatform to um to promote
extreme leftist ideology.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Sorry, I had to hit the cough button.
Yeah, I know.
So Vance has been going aroundto the service academies here
with Memorial Day and everythingand really getting a lot of
love from enlisted folk.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
It should.
You know one thing about vancethat I will say I've I've
probably noticed before, butI've really kind of noticed it
in the recent photos is the guyhe's smiling a lot like.
He has a bit of a sort of adumb, goofy grin, like in a good
way, like a gomer pile grid.
You know what I mean.
Like a guy who's a gomer likein a good way, like a Gomer Pyle
grin.
You know what I mean.
Like a guy who's Gomer Pyle isactually a good example.

(59:09):
He was a guy in the military, aguy in the Marines, who always
had this kind of quirky smilegoing.
His default resting face is nota bitch face, it's a smiling
face and I think that goes along way and it's something that
I wish I had.
I wish you know something.
I I try to control that throughjust remembering to smile,

(59:32):
because you know there's noreason not to smile.
Smiles tend to make people moreat ease, um, but I guess for me
it's more of a psychopathicthing.
Where I have to, I have tothink to do it.
It doesn't come natural,whereas I think for him it

(59:56):
probably does come prettynaturally At least he appears.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Either that or he's a damn good psychopath.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Well, uh, the TDS sufferers would definitely say,
uh you know him and and trumpare psychopaths, but I tend to
not think that way.
Yeah, I mean like actualpsychopaths, not, you know,
self-diagnosed liberalpsychopaths right, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
uh, by chance?
Oh shit, I just lost my trainof thought again.
This is what four hours ofsleep will do.
Three, four hours of sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I did that last week.
I think I was going about fourhours of sleep and I told you
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Oh, there was an.
What else happened this week?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Pretty major political thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I'm trying to think of what we talked about Biden.
We talked about the big,beautiful bill.
We talked about the shooting.
There's one other thing that Iwant to talk about, though.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Hmm, hmm, nothing's jumping out at me oh, uh, the
middle east trip.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
There we go, jesus, my brain is not working.
Trump's trip, yeah, yeah, andthe multi-trillion investment
coming in yeah, we talked aboutthat last week okay, we did
there are no, there's some newdetails you should come to life
man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
All right, what's new ?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
so it's really interesting because I think that
and we did talk about this toan extent but boeing, the amount
of um, the amount of investmentthat boeing is getting, is huge
.
So my company um with some ofthe boeing issues over the last

(01:01:54):
few years had stepped away fromworking with boeing.
We're all in with boeing nowagain.
Um, we're seeing factorycapacity increases as part of
this that Boeing is alreadyputting out for RFP.
This is no shit investmentwhere we're going to see

(01:02:18):
infrastructure built here in theUnited States for this.
That'd be cool, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
It's a two-edged sword, though.
Right, because the great havinginfrastructure built in the us,
great getting investments, butthen we all bitch about how, oh,
all our buildings are owned byjapan, all our farmlands owned
by china.
It's like all our whatever nowis going to be owned by saudi
arabia um I okay, am I wrong?
I mean people always bitchSaudi Arabia.

(01:02:46):
Okay, Am I wrong?
I mean people always bitchabout that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
No, you're wrong, because it's Boeing that will be
building it, not Saudi.
The investment from Saudi andQatar and UAE is just
facilitating.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Boeing is going to be owned by UAE.
How is Boeing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
going to be owned by UAE?
How is Boeing going to be ownedby the UAE?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I don't know.
I mean, I'm just saying where'sthe investment going?
What do you mean by investing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Investing in literal infrastructure and new plants to
build planes Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
So that's not investing now.
The investing is giving moneyto a company in order to
accomplish something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, qatar, but the okay, it is a purchase order
right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Okay, let's see Qatar .
It's a purchase order.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Qatar just ordered $200 billion worth of planes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Or 250.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
200 planes.
Yeah, more than that, but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
They're about a billion a pop uh, 737, oh no,
not 730s I thought we weregiving uh the uh 787s okay, 787
max, whatever, it doesn't reallymatter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Um, I don't think they're quite that much.
I think they're more thanaround the 400 million mark.
Okay, so 400 planes.
Yes it is the largest order inBoeing's history and they are
ramping up to accommodate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Boeing has been notoriously horrible at quality
control for the last 15 years.
I don't know A what would makeQatar want to buy Boeing, so I
guess, other than the fact thatthere's no other plane that's
better uh, yeah, the airbus hasplenty of their own problems and
the chinese are making theirown planes these days, but those
are falling apart midair.

(01:04:36):
So I and the russian planeindustry, which used to be okay,
is pretty much gone at thispoint.
So I don't know that there isanybody other than boeing left
and they.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It's like you're getting the pick of the worst so
to an extent, I will agree withyou, but what I would also say
is I think trump is puttingenough into boeing, and what I'm
seeing on rfps things like thatis they are really trying to

(01:05:18):
get away from that image andthey are investing in their own
company.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Uh, accordingly, mm-hmm yeah, well, I mean, look,
any company could do aturnaround, and I certainly wish
Boeing the best.
But Boeing was the goldstandard up until the mid 80s,

(01:05:51):
and that's when they startedheading downhill.
They changed their philosophy,they brought in new management
and they started focusing onretained earnings and profits
going back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, instead of internal R&D and development and
everything.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Exactly, and so can you bring back a company that
had a good name?
Yes, does Boeing have a goodname right now?
No, If you're an engineer, butagain, nor does Airbus right.
No, airbus is yeah, they'repretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
There isn't a quote-unquote.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Good or reputable airline manufacturer anymore,
here's what it's time for rightnow, I think and this will take
some serious money, like ElonMusk kind of money, but I think
right now is actually a goodtime to start a brand new
American airline company, kindof like what SpaceX did for

(01:06:52):
space travel.
I think somebody else could dofor redoing jet travel.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Well that.
Or you know, quite frankly, whyisn't Lockheed building
commercial airliners?
There you go.
You know Northrop Grumman, youknow we have.
Yeah, well, because theyfigured out where the pork is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
They know how to maximize their profits by only
selling to government.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, sure, but my entire point here is considering
how Boeing and Airbus havereally dropped the ball.
I think there's a marketopportunity for those companies
to come back into that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't disagree.
But whoever it is, I think theywill be well-received.
If somebody can start competingwith Boeing domestically here
in the US, I think, whether it'san existing company or a new
startup, I think they would bewell received by the industry.

(01:07:59):
They would attract top talent,they would have a no baggage
kind of a approach, which iswhat SpaceX did.
They were able to envisionspace travel in this century,
whereas Boeing and everybodyelse still has baggage left over

(01:08:19):
from the previous century'sworth of space travel.
And so for things like the SLS,it was like well, you know, we
got some space shuttle enginesleft over.
Why don't we use those Now?
Of course it'll cost $100million apiece to revitalize
them.
But yeah, don't we use thosenow?
Of course it'll cost 100million a piece to revitalize
them.
But uh, yeah, let's use those.
You know, there's that kind ofmentality, whereas spacex,
everything is just made fromscratch.

(01:08:40):
So I think, I think it'd becool if we got a new domestic.
I mean, even if somebody likebezos decided to get into it who
I don't really like Bezos, buthe could get into it Now, of
course, all his planes would bepenis-shaped.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
And not achieve orbit ?
Why does your plane have aslight curve to the left, not
achieve?

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
orbit.
Yeah Well, luckily he doesn'thave to achieve orbit in the
plane.
But it's a're bezos, I know, Iknow, right.
Well, he kind of created it forhimself, like he can't be
oblivious to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Dude, dude so you know he either has to be
compensating, decompensating,one way or the other.
Right, because, like jesuschrist, you couldn't make it
look more phallic, like youliterally couldn't, unless it
was flesh colored, I know I knowexactly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Uh, and then, did you ever watch um silicon valley tv
show?
Yes, of course.
Do you remember the logo on thecomputer that the main
antagonist had, the?
What was the name?

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
um, it also started with a, b, I, I go ahead, go
where I don't recall this I'dhave to go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
So they make this super new computer model they're
going to release and they, they, he comes up or somebody comes
up.
It's like you know you shouldhave it be your signature
edition.
And then they, they decided toput a signature on it.
And I don't know if he toldthem just to go make a cool
looking signature or something,but you know they didn't want to

(01:10:31):
use his actual signature.
And so he told them just to gomake a cool looking signature or
something, but you know theydidn't want to use his actual
signature and so he had them run.
A bunch of mock-ups ofsignatures, right, and one of
the mock-ups of the signatures,um I, I gotta find the guy's
name, because it doesn't make awhole lot of sense without the
guy's name.
The silicon valley tv show main, uh, main antagonist, or what

(01:11:00):
would you call him.
Was he the antagonist?

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I assume you're talking about the, not the
protagonist.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Yeah, so his name was nelson um again kind of a not
too dissimilar um, and so theycame up with his signature name,
where gavin has the g shape.
It's rounded right and it wasdone in sort of a cursive style,

(01:11:32):
and then the b with the capitalb is like the balls, so his
signature looked like a penis.
If you've seen silicon valley,you understand, uh, what I'm
referring to.
If you haven't, uh, you'reprobably.
I'm gonna send you a picture ofit, just because, to remind you

(01:11:55):
, because you claim to havewatched the show, right, I, I
did watch the show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
There's the signature , gevin belson okay, yeah that's
the signature, okay, yeah I, I,I'd forgotten that joke but yes
, that is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
That's literally bezos rocket bezos's rocket,
yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, youngbelson same character oh my
goodness it's.
They did a good job in thatshow, like Clearly he was
supposed to be a Bezos-typepersonality.
And then they had the guy thatwas all focused on being a

(01:12:37):
billionaire.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Yeah, the three-comma club guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
And that was obviously Mark Cuban.
Oh God, yes, that's the totallyMark Cuban character.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
He's just I'm going to have the three commas.
I'm going to have the threecommas You're going to have
three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
That's the most important thing is 999.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Never dip below a billion.
Yeah, yeah, can't do it.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, my goodness, that'shilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
So Funny stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Yes.
So it's Memorial Day weekend.
Everybody needs to rememberthat.
You know, I don't believe inthanking people for their
service, because I think theysigned up to do a job.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
That's exactly my take on it, and they're paid for
it.
Yeah, you know now I did myservice Exactly.
I'll do a service.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Now I will say World ii vets yeah, probably a little
different.
Yeah, uh, vietnam vets a littledifferent, especially because
of the draft and okay, so here'smy point but any modern, any
post, vietnam post draft.
Yeah, you signed up for it, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, you signed up for it, you got paid for it, you
got benefits for it, you gotthings that no one else got for
it, and again, there's nothingwrong with that.
I'm not poo-pooing the military.
In fact, I attempted to jointhe military at one point in
time, like in high school, butit didn't work out.
Apparently, I needed to loselike 25 pounds, and that was

(01:14:19):
that.
Still do A little more thanthat, ben, a little more than 25
these days, but yeah.
So the point being that I thinkMemorial Day is a good day to
remember not just people thatdied in wars, but people that
died so that we could be wherewe are, and sometimes that

(01:14:42):
doesn't happen in the war.
It happens in conflict withyour own government.
So it's a good day to rememberRuby Ridge.
It's a good day to rememberRuby Ridge.
It's a good day to rememberWaco.
It's a good day to think of allthe things that people have put

(01:15:02):
their heart and soul into sothat we could sit here and have
a podcast conversation and notworry about somebody knocking on
our doors.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Well, and one of the other things I'll say on that is
dude, where's the off-ramp?
Because as we see this violenceincreasing.
If you look at what Jessewaters and others had to say
about summer of love, 2.0 isalready here.
I don't know that.
I disagree with them and Ithink that we are going to be in

(01:15:45):
for a very interesting year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Yeah, yeah, I don't disagree.
I mean, I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
I mean, I hear gunshots pretty regularly Really
In Austin.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
I mean not every day oranything.
It's not like I'm Darren, I'mnot sitting in Chicago or
anything, but I hear them a lotmore regularly than I used to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Well, I do not hear gunshots here in College Station
.
Well, let's hope not.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
No, I think, if it comes down to it, there's
generally a more polite societyin places that are heavily armed
than in places that are not,and that's why places like new
york, chicago, la dc are gonnareally be the brunt of the

(01:16:39):
violence yeah, I, I think, uh,we're gonna see more than just
the quote, the quote, unquotebrunt of the violence in those
areas.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
I think we're going to see, like DC, what happens
with the, the Jewish shooting.
I think that's, there'll be amisdemeanor problem out there.
Well, I think that's going to.
I think you're going to seethat in more and more places.
I think, you're going to see theintifada brought home all over

(01:17:14):
the place.
I am not one that sits thereand you know worries about X, y
and Z, but at the same time, man, I got to kind of wonder where
the political violence is goingto go, because this guy was a

(01:17:36):
left-wing Democrat who lost hismind on this and the entire
point is we have these Twitchstreamers, we have these other

(01:18:02):
people calling in a more or lessiffy way for violence.
That I just that you're goingto have people doing something
very similar for um, forillegals, saying, hey, you can't
deport these people, you'redoing something evil because
they literally see it as evilthat's because it's a religion

(01:18:24):
and we we should have.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
We should have that as a topic, maybe for next time
in time, after that, which,incidentally, we're going to
skip a week.
I'm going to be traveling,hanging out with my dad, and
this is the first time I'mhearing of this.
Oh, really.
Yeah, I thought I told youEither way.
So in that next show we'regoing to skip that one, but I

(01:18:46):
should be back home before theone after that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Maybe I'll call up Darren and we'll do a I think
you should.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I, I'm all.
I'm always for that.
But any time that he's notavailable, you know um, I'm
happy to do something with you,or the other way around,
whatever.
But yeah, yeah, you could do asolo show if you want to.
I mean, my only point is uh,I'm not to be around.
So unless you want to dosomething, then we're not going
to have a show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Okay, well, I will ping Darren and see if he's up
for it.
My guess is he'll take the timeoff and be lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
He's always happy to take it.
Dude, the guy does fivepodcasts a week, yeah, yeah, so
you know, good luck.
You'd be better off getting CSCSB to to uh do a podcast with
you, yeah, or more likely Ishould say more likely to do a
pod, and I don't know if youlisten to uh under one thing and
all but uh on the last show, uh, I explained succinctly why we

(01:19:51):
don't do ads, or rather whycertain donations that are I
have not listened to the last.
Okay, okay, well I'll give youthe short version of it.
Basically, uh, csb said youknow, if you change your policy
and advertising, uh, then Imight send you three dollars and
33 cents.
And then he says because theshow only has 10 listeners.

(01:20:12):
And I said well, see, this isexactly why we don't do
advertising, is because thedifference between advertising
and donations is a donation issomething you give because you
enjoyed the show, you enjoy theproduct and you feel like you
want to support the people thatare making it, so you're

(01:20:33):
essentially giving back to them.
This is what adam calls value.
For value, you're giving peoplethat created the show, uh, some
financial support that you arewilling to do as a result of
having enjoyed the show.
Okay, advertising is when CSB orsomebody else says well, let's

(01:20:57):
see, it looks like here you haveabout 220 listeners, I can pay
three cents a list, so I'll sendyou $4 based on your
listenership and you have tocall out my website.
That's not a donation, that'san advertising offer and we
don't do advertising.
And so I explained that and hisresponse was darren.

(01:21:19):
Uh, here, you should go promotemy show and not listen to the
jew.
And I'm like well, I mean he'snot wrong there he's not, it's
the way he said it, like don'tlisten to jew.
I was like, well, yes, and thisis why, uh, I've called you a
racist before and I still willcontinue to do so, because you,

(01:21:43):
you use that term exactly in themanner that a racist was used,
the term um.
So you know, I don't say nevertrust the polack, do I?

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
no, but you should.
Yeah, you know some things arebetter said and others are not
so either way, did I ever uh,did I ever tell you my uh polack
joke?
No, so these uh two polackswere digging a ditch and their
boss was sitting over under atree in the shade watching them.

(01:22:17):
And one Polack says to theother why the?
hell does he get to sit over inthe shade while we do all the
work?
I don't know.
Go ask him.
So first, polack walks overthere and asks his boss hey man,
why do you get to sit herewhile we do all the work?
Well, let me tell youIntelligence, my boy.

(01:22:39):
What's intelligence?
Well, let me explain it to youin simple terms that you can
understand.
I'm going to put my hand infront of the tree and I want you
to hit my hand as hard as youcan.
So he rears back and goes topunch him and at the last minute
, he moves his hand and polakhits his hand on the tree and
walks away, shaking his hand,almost breaking his hand and

(01:23:03):
damn that hurt.
You know, goes to his buddy andhis buddy goes.
What do you say?
What do you say?
Intelligence, what'sintelligence?
Well, I'm gonna put my hand infront of my face and I want you
to take that shovel and hit myhand as hard as you can uh-huh
there you go, csb.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
There's your polack joke for the day yeah, yeah, I'm
sure he enjoys the polish ohracist, racist did yeah you know
, with the polish jokes were allthe rage when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, me too , polak.
You know, everybody made fun ofthe Polaks.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Which I never really understood why?
Because I knew Polish peopleand they didn't seem
particularly stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Agreed, and I mean I've got two Poles, like in
Poland, that work for me rightnow on my team and they're very
intelligent, great people.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Yeah.
One of them's a technicalwriter and the others are very
good.
Video game studios are inpoland too, but I don't
understand like I've neverlooked.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
I will say this the polish jokes polish women are
hot they can't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
They're Blonde and big boobed.
Yeah, so your type?
Yeah, definitely, at leasthistorically.
These days, who the hell knows?
Europe is changing.
It's like Irish women thesedays all wear burqas.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, we're the Ireland, where most popular name
is now Muhammad.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Did you know?
I watched a video recently.
It had a map that showslocations at all the mosques in
London.
Do you know how many mosquesare in the city of London?
Uh, hundreds, 187.
Jesus, 187 mosques.
I think that is just slightlyless than the number of churches

(01:24:57):
, but it took a thousand yearsto build all the churches.
It took a couple decades tobuild the mosques.
That country is lost, dude.
It is gonna be absolutely partof the caliphate well, we will
see.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Um the trade deal with the uk and the us, that's
basically bringing them into uh,nafta.
You know that gives at leastsome hope economically.
Now, whether or not they will,um, you know, whether or not
they will, you know whether ornot they'll change course
politically, it's another story.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
I don't understand the politics there, because they
seem to be.
Even the conservatives seem tobe hell-bent on going against
the ethnic British populace well, when you've got people who

(01:26:00):
aren't ethnically british,leading your country for a long
time?
Yeah, yeah, but they, they gotthere.
They keep re-putting them inthere.
Yes, yeah, yeah, so I don'tknow, I don't know.
I mean it's, it's a bizarrecountry.
But oh, speaking of, I haven'twatched it, so no spoilers.

(01:26:22):
But uh, germy's farms newseason, just dropped yesterday
ah, cool, I need to go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Uh, I haven't watched it either.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
I I'm going to do some binge watching tonight
probably, and maybe tomorrow.
Yeah, I love that show, man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
It is first of all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
I can smell the hay.
Do you have that reaction, Ithink, for those of us that
spend their childhoods on farms,when you see something visually
that is accurate and remindsyou of that moment in your life,
the smells just rush back toyou and it's almost like having
some middle vision and smell theyou know hay smell.

(01:27:04):
Uh, it was so good back whenlife was something you looked
forward to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I definitely can commiserate with bucking of hay
and everything else.
Right, because been there, donethat yeah, yeah, I spent.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
I know I wasn't there a year round, but I spent my
summers on a farm every year anduh lived in a little log cabin
with an outhouse, so and thenwandered around the forest, uh
to the utter um fear of mygrandmother that I was step on a

(01:27:43):
landmine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Why was that a fear?

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Because back then, when I was a kid, there were
still landmines that were activefrom World War II.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Yeah, this was right on the border with Finland.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
And the Finns slash Nazis, which is the side they
were on.
They had mined that whole area.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
They were on, uh, they had mined that whole area
and so and so there was stillsome mines that people were
finding.
So what do you think of wherethe ukraine war is at at this
point?
Do we think we're going to beinvolved, going forward, or not?

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Because I think Trump's ready to step away.
I'd be great if he did.
I think I said plenty on thistopic last show, which was
essentially I don't see a reasonfor Russia at this point to
stop.
No one's offered them a dealyet, a deal that would make

(01:28:56):
sense, so they might as welljust keep going, because they
are taking territory like 50 to100 miles a day right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Okay.
So I think no peace deal andTrump's gonna walk away, cut
funding and yeah well, cuttingfunding is here's the here's the
thing.
This is what putin wasabsolutely right when he said
this trump cutting funding willend in a peace deal, because yes
, yes, it will just be, he saidthis war.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
He said trump could end this war tomorrow.
This this is back in January,he said this, so before all the
negotiations and stuff.
But he said Trump could endthis war tomorrow with just a
swipe of his pen by stoppingfunding to Ukraine.
Stopping funding to Ukrainegets them to come to Russia for
a peace deal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Well, yes, I think, though, that trump is wanting to
, you know, get a minerals dealwith ukraine, for example, and I
already told him he'll get theminerals deal if he stops
funding to ukraine, they can doa deal.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
So the minerals deal is not a problem for russia yeah
, I, I think that the a there'sthat.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
But you know, the liberals are going to lose their
mind over the incoming tradenegotiations and deal with
russia, because what we, whatwe've already done and what
we've already seen is the middleeast.
Trump has, other than iran,taken away the middle east from
china.
Yeah, I think he's gonna takerussia away from china.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
I think well, that would be the smart move, and
we've said that for a long time.
Is that like a ukraine?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
does an american russo alliance is keeping?
Russia and china apart right,but american russo alliance
makes sense yeah, yeah, it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
So what does russia have is has more natural
resources than anybody else thathave been not exploited.
Um they, the current level ofexploitation there, uh,
certainly leaves a lot to bedesired.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
And, quite frankly, zahan has flat out said this
that the Russians do not havethe technology or the personnel
and I think he's right on thisto pull their own resources out
of the ground they need.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Western.
Well, that's a little broad.
They don't have the technologyto do it efficiently to maximize
profitability.
Correct.
They're absolutely killing theresources.
It's just not done well Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
But my point is a Western alliance with Russia
makes sense at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Yeah, Well, it's funny, it made sense during both
world wars.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Well, it only doesn't make sense during peace yeah,
no it.
So part of that is we weactually shouldn't have made, uh
, in barring operationbarbarossa, we wouldn't have
made a deal with the russiansduring world war ii.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
So yeah, well, what kind of what do you mean?
What kind of deal um?

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
we were not allied with the communists until hitler
did operation barbarossa, andthe enemy of my enemy becomes my
friend right yeah, I mean weweren't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Yeah, we weren't friendly, but us always had
commercial relations with Russiapre-World War II.
There's tons of plants.
Ford had a plant, coca-cola hada plant.
These were all in communistRussia.
These were post-communism,because Russia was still very
open to bringing in Westerncompanies.

(01:32:48):
The attitude you got toremember.
It was an idealistic time forcommunism in the 1930s, right in
the 20s and 30s yes, it wasalso an idealistic time for
national social socialism.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
You don't, don't forget that time magazine put
hitler on the cover they did in1939 because of the
transformational acts that hewas doing in.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Germany.
Well, they also put Obama onthe cover, so they're par for
the course.
But it was a point in timewhere the relations between the
two giant you know well, the USwasn't even all that giant back
then.
Britain still really was prettymajor in the 1930s.
But the US was gaining, uh, itsground to become the superpower

(01:33:35):
that it is and I don't thinktheir relations were
particularly bad.
I think the relations betweenrussia and, well, the ussr and
the us really starteddeteriorating post-World War II.
I just never saw that level ofanti-Russian animosity in the US

(01:33:59):
pre-World War II, even thougheverybody knew that the USSR was
communist.
It was sort of like they'rejust kind of doing their thing.
I think part, know, I thinkpart of it too is this is a true
statement, even though itsounds derogatory.
But Russian people were verysimplistic, like it was easy for

(01:34:24):
communism to catch on becausethe previous way that life went
was serfdom.
So going from serfdom tocommunism, I think, makes more
sense than going from capitalismto communism.
And when Marx wrote about, youknow, the sort of transition

(01:34:50):
from capitalism to communism, hewas not looking at russia.
He never expected a backwardscountry like russia to become
communist.
Um, he was not a fan of of uhoh, he was an intellectual, I
mean, you know, he was never afan of uh sort of the, the

(01:35:12):
peasant types, uh he, he saw the, the working man, as revolting
against the capitalist machine.
And in russia what happened isyou had a revolution where the
peasants not even peasants, butactual serfs you know a
difference between a peasant anda serf right I, I do yes okay,
but just for clarity for peoplethat may not, the serf unlike a

(01:35:36):
peasant, which is just a poorfree man, a serf is actually
tied to the land.
Like he cannot leave the land,he and his family must work the
land.
For the land owner it's similarto a slave, but not as
restrictive as slavery yeah, inin the us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
The best analogy would be the sharecroppers right
in the us.
That's the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
That's our only history of serfdom uh, I'm not
too familiar with sharecroppers,so so after slavery,
post--civil War, there werefreed blacks that lived on
plantations.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
They still worked the plantations and they got a
share of the crop for their work, but the landowner in
themselves took the majorityVery similar, but they could
still leave.
There was a lot of issues there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Okay, well, I don't know.
Like I said, this is not anarea of expertise for me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
By the way, the Road to Serfdom by Hayek, Fantastic
book.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Alright, put that on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
You haven't read.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
The Road to Serfdom.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
No, oh my god.
And then Nigel Farage did theNew road to serfdom as an homage
, that was pretty good too.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Uh, I I think that, so I don't know why I started
down this whole path.
I guess I was just trying toexplain the, the perspectives of
the U?
S towards Russia and even thecommunist Russia back then, and
I?
I think that part of it?
S never saw Russia as acompetitor Like.

(01:37:18):
These were people that wereeffectively living 50 to 100
years behind where the US was.
They had nothing electrified,they barely had gas lit cities
nothing electrified, they barelyhad gas lit cities.
They were serfs predominantly,who just overthrew their the

(01:37:38):
governments, and so there wasnot a whole lot of threat of
competition at all from russia,and I think it wasn't really
until post-world war ii wherethere was some examples of
russian manufacturing, like thefact that russia was building uh

(01:38:01):
russia's not exactly ever beenknown for its quality of
manufacturing it's not.
I didn't say quality, I saidmanufacturing.
But they were rolling out moretanks per day than Germany was
rolling out in a week.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah, but all right.
So let's look at that.
You know the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Allies T-34s.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Yeah, the Allies in the Sherman tank as well.
You know, the US was producinga ton of them as well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Yeah, and the Panzers were complicated machines.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
The Panzers and the what's the bigger one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
The Lion.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Tiger or whatever Tiger, yeah, anyway, they were
better tanks.
Oh yeah, yeah, they were farsuperior.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Well, okay, in every way, Sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
The only way the Russians and the Americans won
tank battles was through,overwhelming through numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Yeah, but they weren't better.
In one way they relied onhydraulics, which didn't work so
good in frozen winter.
There was a lot of abandoned,expensive German tanks that
seized up and could not run inthe winter.
Well, regardless, my son isvery into tanks right now and I

(01:39:19):
oh, he should play world oftanks uh, he is not touching a
computer for years.
Thank you, oh, you're one ofthose parents.
Okay, apps are fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
I think there's even an ipad version you can have
yeah, no, no, he's not, it's agreat way to learn all about
tanks so there's a youtubechannel that I found that's
called simplified history, andit's animations and going
through different things andlike, uh, the tank video they
have yeah, the tanks of worldwar ii.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
It literally shows cutouts and have you watched
that channel's video on thecivil war, because you may
change your mind about thechannel.
Oh I, why?
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
just watch the video, see what they say well, I, you
know, I I don't all the evilpeople in the south have tons of
slaves and they wanted toexpand that to the north okay,
well then they're idiots, butthe tank videos in the world war
ii videos seem reasonable to mefrom what I've seen of them and
yeah, yeah and anyway he willsit there and watch the world

(01:40:20):
war ii tank video on like loop,like this hour-long history.
Love to play that video gameman yeah, you know, my son's
already a nerd, I like it don't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
don't get him on the internet, just get him on video
games.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Yeah, so what I did get him is this really kind of
cool projector.
So it's a projector and youturn the lights out in your room
, you set it up and it projectsbasically Duck Hunt on your wall
and then it's got two guns thatyou can then shoot and do and

(01:40:55):
it's very simplistic video game.
Oh, that's cool.
Yes, it is very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Um, let me find it not sponsored by the company,
though we should be.
See, that's the kind of ads wewould take.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
I would totally be okay with getting paid by uh
duck hunt company yeah, so it'scalled project uh, project x,
and it's a projecting video game.
Um it uh.
Let me find the link and dropthis in the chat for you.

(01:41:30):
But it's really cool becauseit's got three different games
it's got a literal duck, it'sgot a floating target and it's
got an alien spaceship andthey're different difficulty
levels.
So, yeah, you've got differenttargets.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
This looks like the shoot simulator that I used at
the fbi it's, it's kind of cooland uh anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
So that that's the sort of thing I'm letting him do
good, good, yeah well theimportant to develop that, that
coordination skill between yourtrigger finger and the image in
the wall well, and that's thething is, it does help with um
coordination reaction and youhave to re-cock the gun and
reload after x number of shotsoh, that's awesome.

(01:42:20):
Oh, I'm so glad that yeah, solike, literally, you have to
rack the slide on the gun, tore-rack it, to shoot and it's
it's.
It's, it's cool man, and no tvscreen, no, nothing it's battery
powered, take it anywhere.
Just all you need is a blankwall love it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
That's a good deal.
Hey, by the way, you know, I Ilove to make fun of people or
correct them when they say flipinstead of magazine.
Okay, and I recently and thisis funny because this is an
instance where, well, I mean thenew 5.7.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
I know it has a clip.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Yeah, but this is an instance where I got I was wrong
, which never happens usually.
Oh, come on now.
Yeah, so there's a video gamething and I posted a comment
about how why do they all referto these as clips?
This is ridiculous, these aremagazines.
They had a couple of commentsright away after that, people

(01:43:16):
saying yes, I know right, thesame thing.
It's crazy how these gamecompanies don't know shit about
guns and they always refer tothem, and this was not, not
about the handguns, this wasabout spaceship guns.
Okay, so large weapons, largeweapons.
And all of a sudden there's amessage that comes out of there.
It's like well, you, you knowtechnically, uh, these are

(01:43:39):
absolutely using clips, notmagazines, because the clips is
the mechanism that holds therounds and the magazines are
stored in the battery, in theclips.
And I I was like, oh, that'sbullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
So I looked it up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
And son of a bitch was right and I was like, oh my
God, this sucks.
So apparently, some of the gunson warships, battleships,
utilize clips, and I've justbeen going around for 25 years
telling everybody to stop sayingthe word clips, because the
only clips that we actually haveare either clips for rifles or

(01:44:18):
clips for revolvers.
Handguns don't use clips untilthis brand new one just came out
and, uh, so I?
I was just, you know, used torepeating that same old line and
saying ha ha ha ha, you don'tknow shit about guns.
Well, it turns out I don't knowshit about big guns.
So there's my moment ofadmitting that I was wrong,

(01:44:42):
which?

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
you know, people are sometimes shocked to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
I'm ever wrong or that I would admit to it, but it
does occasionally happen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Yeah, it's more the will Gene admit to it than you
being ever wrong, because you'rewrong.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
plenty, my friend, I'm virtually never wrong when
it matters.
So there, Well andrealistically, I'm always
willing to change my mind if I'mproven wrong.
What I'm not willing to be isjust simply be convinced of

(01:45:15):
something without proof.
That's a healthy attitude thateveryone should have.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Well, you know, one of the principles on my team
that we have put together isreally strong convictions
loosely held right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
Yeah, exactly exactly , but you sold that from Amazon.
But that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Okay, that's why Bezos principles okay, it's been
a principle of mine for a longtime and I did not know that
about Bezos.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
Oh, but that's fine yeah, the 12 amazon principles?
Um no, it's.
I think it's a.
It's a healthy way to act.
Is you defend your beliefsuntil you're proven wrong and
you defect the correct version,or?
You defend the correct version.

(01:46:12):
Yeah, yep.
Well, should we wrap it up, ben, or is there anything else we
need to jump in about this week?
uh, no, I think we're good man Ithink, we've covered the
highlights and uh yeah all right, my friend, I will catch you in
two, but I might talk to youbefore then or at least text you
.
But I will do the podcast intwo weeks yep, I hope your dad's

(01:46:35):
doing good yeah, yeah, it'll benice to see him.
Uh, he sounds good, but I'msure I'll know more when I get
there.
All right, until next timelater.

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