121 Bunker Busters and Peacocking Submarines

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Howdy Ben, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
today, gene, I'm doing well.
I am happy to be out of Mexicobefore the shit hit the fan,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, I'm glad you're back.
Before then as well.
I was hoping you wouldn't getstuck there.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, you know.
So the way I said it to Lindsayis hey, I'm glad we made it
back.
I'm glad we made it back to theU?
S before this happened.
And her response was why?
Why would that matter?
It's like Jesus Christ, um,because who knows how the rest

(00:37):
of the world is going to reactto this.
You know, we'll see today.
Uh, by the way, we're we arerecording this on a rare Sunday
because I got back and we weregoing to do the podcast
yesterday and I was sicker thana dog man.
I was running 103 fever, it wasnot good.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I thought it was 101.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, I got up to 103.4 .
That's dangerous territory,dude, yeah it was not fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
No, I got up to 103.4 .
That's dangerous territory,dude.
Yeah, it was not fun starts tosweat.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yesterday was not fun yeah, you don't want.
It was not a fun day but itbroke overnight.
I'm good, we're good, wedropped where do you want to
start?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
do you want to start with iran?
You want to start.
You want to start with?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Iran.
Do you want to start with theeducation?
Fuck, yes, I want to start withIran Do you want to start with.
Dns.
No, no, iran, iran, okay, dude.
Six B-2 bombers, 12 bunkerbusters Holy fuck.
This is the way I imagine themeeting, mr President.
Four to six will do it Fucking.

(01:45):
Double it Right, like holy shit.
The amount of firepower we justdropped on Fort Ho is like
Cheyenne Mountain would notstand up to this.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I don't know about that.
It's made to stand up to nukes.
Yes, but not 12 fucking bunkerbusters in a row, just yeah, I
I'm a little more apprehensiveof the marketing videos for
those bunker busters.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I don't think they're all that um, okay, well, 12 of
them apparently got the job done.
We don't know that, we don'tknow, but the satellite evidence
is pretty fucking damnsatellite evidence is that we

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have lots of destruction on thesurface.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yes, here's the problem with all that stuff,
military puts out a bid tocreate something bigger and
better than what we have.

(03:01):
There's a limited number ofcompanies that bid on this stuff
, as you're well aware, andthey're going to promise things
in their sales and marketingdepartments that meet the
government requirements and theyhave no clue as to how to
actually build it.
And so then, after they win thebid or they get a joint bid,
they start working on trying tofigure out how to do it.

(03:22):
That's why so many companiesthat have military government
contracts do a cost plus,because essentially what we're
saying is well, we know it'sgoing to take at least this much
, but it'll probably take moreand we'll bill you the full
amount, and the government'slike, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
You realize, I work for one of these companies right
, and that makes a differencehow.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm just saying I know what you're talking about,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you might, but peoplelistening may not.
Okay, I'm trying to explain.
Do you want to explain?
Go ahead, you tell the process,continue, okay.
So once that happens, they startworking on it and, yeah,
there's a certain amount ofsuccess.
And then there's, there'scertain amount of success and

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and then there's testing.
That happens, but ultimately,when it comes to real usage of
this stuff, you just don't know.
Like they're not going to testthe bomb on an actual copy of
the sites that the governmentwants to drop them on.
So, according to the iranians,nothing could and nothing has
penetrated.
Now.
Would those people lie?
Yes, will the us government lie?
Yes, we'll see them lie, yes.
So that's why I'm saying wejust don't know.

(04:37):
We know that we uh, we madethem look like, know, we gave
them a slap.
We're definitely looking like avery strong country right now
thanks to this, but do we knowthat that actually resulted in a

(04:58):
catastrophic destruction thathas prevented them from
continuing with their nuclearprogram?
No, we don't.
But a second question I'd liketo ask you is how is it our
business whether they developnukes?
I?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
don't think it is.
Quite frankly, this will eitherbe Trump's folly, or a moment
folly or a moment um, so muchlike the tomahawks he launched
against syria in his first term.

(05:33):
Um.
To me, that was a hey, youshouldn't have done that but, a
moment.
Uh, this is that way.
So if this is it, if this isthe strike, that's it.
That's all we're doing.
Cool, I'm good with that.
If we go beyond this, reallyany further than airstrikes, I'm

(05:59):
not okay with that.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, last show you suggested that we just nuke them
.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, I suggested that we nuke Tehran and Tel Aviv
is what I suggested.
I said just end it.
Yeah, which was a joke, by theway, but yes.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh, really, because I talked for another hour after
that about that topic.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Okay okay, okay, yeah , I fell asleep.
You know what?
I've been dealing with somemedical issues and I haven't
slept.
Dude, I seriously in the lastmonth, have gotten like 20 hours
of REM sleep, maybe, like notan exaggeration.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, REM sleeps are rated.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay Well, drive a person insane sort of level of
sleep deprivation.
So I apologize.
We were doing it late at nightand I was sitting here in my
office chair and I fell asleep.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
It's your melodious tones, dude dude, I know that's
exactly what it is people yeah I.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I heard your little edit there at the end.
Yeah, and I have been multiplepeople that have said that that
they turn the podcast on andfall asleep anyway, the the fact
that we launched three therewere 120something aircraft
involved in this two submarinesthat launched 30 Tomahawks

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against the other two sites.
The fact that we did this withno American casualties and I
don't think the Iraniansdetected this at all.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, they certainly I don't think suspected this,
because they, you know they'reused to putting in a lot of um,
uh, what's the phrase you know?
Like, uh, when, whencompetitive birds or animals

(08:03):
strut in front of each other andthey're trying to intimidate
each other and like nothingactually happens for a long time
, there's a lot of just bullshit, intimidation stuff happening I
think that's what they wereexpecting.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I was in mexico recently, so there you go, there
you go, so use your mexican anduh, so they?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think they were expecting for a lot of words to
be thrown back and forth aboutjust how bad it's going to be if
they attack and how bad it'sgoing to be if the US attacks,
and back and forth, and back andforth.
What they didn't expect was astrike by the US literally the

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same week as the strikes byIsrael.
The us literally the same weekas as the strikes by israel.
So I think there might be alittle bit of uh like this is
not good kind of feeling goingon there right now.
Now I've also seen more videospopping up of people like
iranian people saying it's timefor change.

(09:04):
We need to take the governmentback, which I think everyone's
fully supportive of.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Uh, if that were to happen, yeah, not another color
revolution at all no, no, it'snot.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, hillary's will be in charge.
So well, did you see the tweetfrom trump?
He says if you guys don't stopyour nuclear program, we're're
going to send our deadliestassassin, hillary Clinton.
No, I didn't, oh yeah.
People were saying, oh, hecan't be saying stuff like that.
Yeah, absolutely Everybodyknows the Clinton kill list is

(09:42):
unmatched.
Clinton kill list is unmatched.
They've managed to take outmore people than the best of the
elite spies.
I wouldn't be surprised ifHillary snuck into the prison

(10:02):
and killed Epstein.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
What makes you think she didn't.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I wouldn't be surprised if she did.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I'm not saying personally, but well, personally
, I think she paid for,certainly could have.
Um, well, either way, I thinkthat the yeah, maybe epstein was
just a setup by clinton in thefirst place as a uss to get dirt
and everybody else, you neverknow.

(10:27):
So, yeah, I think the way Ilook at it is, we have no
business being involved inmiddle eastern politics oh and
at the same time I said, saidfuck yeah, when I saw what was
happening.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I am similarly minded in that I don't think we should
be involved, I don't think thatwe should be worried about what
I mean.
Like I said last time, fuckIsrael, fuck Iran, who the fuck
cares?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Let them kill each other, let them do whatever they
want to do, the big beneficiaryfrom all of this is Saudi
Arabia, which is why they'vebeen funneling money to the US
oh absolutely wanted Iraq takenout for a long time.
Iran yeah yeah, iran yeah,absolutely.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Um, you know, and a friend of mine was watching Al
Jazeera as this unfolded and I'mlike, why are you watching Al
Jazeera?
Well, I want to hear the Arabperspective and I'm like Al
Jazeera is Qatari run and theydon't like, they do not give a

(11:41):
shit about Iran, like that isnot going to be an empathetic
position at all.
And Arabs don't like Persians.
No, they don't never have,never will.
Anyway, did you see, like Isent you yesterday, I was

(12:07):
watching as this unfolded, I waswatching the news of course.
And I turned on CNN, of allthings, and Wesley Clark was on
CNN talking about the bombing ofIran.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I didn't catch it, but that was interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Dude the irony of Wesley Clark, of the Wesley
Clark 7, sitting there talkingabout bombing Iran Like I about
fell out of my chair.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
What else would he be talking about?
But?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
dude come on.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, do you remember the whole list?
Do you remember the sevencountries?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I have to go back.
Yeah, I don't Iran Iraq.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Syria.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Syria, syria, syria, um syria, uh jesus all right,
well, let's go.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Obviously you don't, so we'll have to look it up.
But all right, I'm looking itup, right now you are okay good
uh.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Take out seven countries in five years,
starting with Iraq, and thenSyria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia,
Sudan and finishing with Iran.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
So not quite five years, not quite the right order
.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
But finishing with Iran, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Hopefully that'll be the finish where we don't go
back to Libya or something.
What so?
Hopefully that'll be the lastwhere we don't go back to Libya,
or something.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
What so hopefully that'll be the last one.
It should be.
We've intervened in every othercountry so far, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah.
So what did he have to sayother than just mentioning Iran?
He was giving analysis, itwasn't anything profound or
anything like going back to thatlist or anything no, no, no, no
and again it.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
For me, it was just schadenfreude to see him sitting
there talking about, you know,us carrying out this attack on
iran and him being more or lessokay with it, given his position
a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
So yeah, well, I think iran having a nuke for
israel definitely is anexistential threat, because that
would be the first place theywould use it.
For the us not so much dude, Idon't okay.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Pakistan has nuke.
Have they nuked anyone?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
pakistan is not run by the type of uh government
that iran has.
I, it's a theocracy.
Pakistan does not have atheocracy, okay, I would also
question the quality ofPakistani nukes versus Iranian

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nukes.
Iranian nukes would be justfine.
Have good high-tech field.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
You're telling me that the Persians are better
than the Arabs.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Are the Pakistanis Arabs the pakistani's arabs?
Oh, that's a good questionactually no, they're indian
don't say that around them.
Yeah, they're aryans actually.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Um, yeah, I just uh, hitler would disagree, but
that's okay, hit no, no, nohitler knew that the aryans came
from india.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
He knew that he just realized that they all left
india.
None of them stayed, uh, hencethe blonde hair this is such
dangerous territory, I'm justgonna well, I'm just saying, I
mean I'm gonna just go, okay,gene much like you know, god

(16:12):
made the uh uh, the bad jewishtribes black and send them over
to america.
In that same vein is that howthat goes.
Yeah, no comment okay, soyou're not going to talk about
the book of mormon, or uh?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
no, no, I'm not no, because all I will say is dumb,
dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb all right, fine, let's go back to
Scientology.
Jesus Christ.
Wrong direction.
Wrong direction, wrongdirection Craig podcast.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Craig podcast.
Okay, darren, no, that's funny,like that was always a super
funny line.
I love that.
I've used that so many times.
All right, so we done with itaround.
What else we got to talk about?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
well, I mean beyond the overkill.
Uh, let's point out somethingwe also sent three b2 bombers to
guam so I thought these werethe same ones no, no, no, no, no
separate.
Oh, so we sent.
We sent the six to iran and wesent three to guam.

(17:27):
And here's the point.
I think everyone's missingbecause hegseth and others have
said oh, that was just adistraction, bullshit, it was.
That was a message to china.
Yeah.
So if you look at china's umnew quote-unquote pentagon right
, their underground militarybase that they're building out

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as their command center, this isvery us sending those B-2
bombers to Guam is we can takeit out.
Don't make us do it Like.
This is multi-level, this isIran, this is China.
This is a big deal, dude, and Isay this as someone who's

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likely to go to Guam in the nextfew months.
This is not fun, but seriously,us sending those three B-2
bombers with unknown ordinanceon uh inside is definitely a
threat to china.
Like that.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
That is a well, I think what you mean to say is
it's meant to be a threat tochina it's a statement.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
We'll put it that way yeah, yeah yeah, uh, yeah, it's
uh.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
it's interesting because the report that I was
watching said that the bombersthat went to Iran flew across
the Pacific, which I thought waslike why are they taking the
long way?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, I mean it's versus flying, you know, over
North Africa.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, from my understanding is, we had, uh, a
couple of B twos.
Okay, so we have.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
B twos Do we have in general?
Do know, jesus christ, I don'tknow.
I'm gonna ask ai see if itknows at all.

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I'm with my air force base inmissouri.
I'm asking for Whitman AirForce Base in Missouri 19.
We have 19 total.
Yep, okay.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Shit, that's so few.
Well, I mean actually it's kindof a lot.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's a lot given how much they cost, but it's so few
that if we lose a couple it'llbe noticeable.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Right, but we didn't.
And I think that's actuallypretty telling that Israel has
been able to take out Iran's airdefense which is Russian-made,
yeah well, yeah sort of what doyou mean?
Yeah sort of it is.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, no, it is Russian-made, but it's not the
air defense that Russia uses.
It's like saying that, uh, youknow costa rica has american, uh
, military weapons.
Like yeah, just becausesomebody bought shit from there
doesn't mean it's the same asthat country's military dude, I,
I don't want to go to war withrussia.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I I think russia should be our ally.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, but china copies everything that everybody
else makes, including russiaand the us.
So whatever china has for airdefense is going to be
noticeably better than iran.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
So that's, that's all I'm trying to say okay, well,
anyway, the, the point being uma fair, the most modern air
defense that russia offers tothe international market was
easily defeated a marketingperson would say yes uh, we've

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just flew 120 something aircraftinto their airspace unimpeded,
dropped a shit ton of munitions.
We don't know what they had, wedon't know what the
capabilities were.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
We don't know what working order it was in.
We don't know any of thesethings.
We do know they spent somemoney with Russia.
That's about as far as it makessense of it.
Okay, I mean, I'm just saying,here's the thing US is very good
at going after countries thatcan't actually fight back like

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Iraq and Iran.
We'll see I actually expectIran to attack some of our
military bases.
Well, they may do that, but Idon't think it'll be much
different than what we saw withthe Russian-made Scuds, which,
again, russia wasn't using scuds, iraq was using scuds.
That's shitty technology thatmissed most of the time.
So I think I'm just sayingdon't assume that China is going

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to be this easy.
Oh, I don't.
And by don don't assume.
I don't mean you personally, Imean like the average person.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Shouldn't assume that yeah, I, I don't assume that
china will be easy at all.
Yeah, but what I'm, what I'msaying is that I think we are,
by sending the B-2s to Guam, bydoing what we've positioning,

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the things we've positioned andif you look, I sent you.
It appeared we had six of them-went to Guam, not three.
Okay, well, whatever, but Isent you the Pacific Command's
strategy on the agile defenseperspective and how they're.
I mean, my company that I workfor is currently laying tarmac

(23:17):
on old.
World War II bases in theIndo-Pacific.
We are doing that right.
We are setting up a lot ofthese air bases.
We are doing these things.
Yeah, let's not say too much.
Yeah, I'm not saying anythingthat isn't public.
Uh, thank you, I'm practice atthis, but anyway.

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Um, what it comes down to isthey, we, we are setting up the
same strategy for World War IIthat we used to defeat Japan or
China.
In a lot of ways, we'redistributing assets, we're
making things scarce, we'regoing to keep our aircraft

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carriers back.
We're going to keep ouraircraft carriers back, and
unless they balloon over somedrones or something that just
swarm an aircraft carrier, andeven then I think the sea whiz
and everything else is going totake care of it.
So I don't know, man, I'm notsaying China's going to be easy,
but I think we have way moreadvantage than they do.

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Like it is very lopsided here.
Well, and I'm not pro-war, I donot want to go to war with china
no no, nobody does um, andchina doesn't want to go to war
with us.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
They just want to have more advantages against us
sure, but we're not going toallow that, and they're.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
They've been pretty good at setting up uh congress
critters to blackmail I don'tknow, man are the new trade deal
that trump just passed withthem, uh, is pretty fucking in
our favor.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
So I don't know yeah, yeah, it's in our favor,
definitely, but it's alsosomething they can totally
afford, if you look at it surethey can afford it, because
they're raking us over the coals.
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
You know absolutely.
But the fact of the matter isit is very much in our favor.
It is a move in the rightdirection.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
I mean, the Trade Federationhas always been hard to kind of.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Okay, Star Wars reference.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, come on, that's not a Star Wars, that's a Star
Wars Wars reference.
Well, come on, that's not aStar Wars, that's a Star Wars
China reference.
Like, it's pretty obvious whothe trade federation is.
They have accents in Star Wars.
Do you not think that wassuspicious?
All the other aliens speaking?
The trade federation has aChinese accent.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I don't really.
I've never really Okay, otherthan the original trilogy.
Yeah, I've paid very littleattention to Star Wars.
Oh, yes, yes, you're a StarTrek, I am a Star Trek guy and
when I was fucking 10 years oldand watched Star Wars for the

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first time and Han Solo goes,yeah, the Millennium Falcon did
the Kessel run and X amount ofparsecs.
It's like that's a measurementof distance.
Yeah, that's not speed Dumbass.
Yeah, and like, like my.
My young mind went okay, thisis bullshit.
Versus Star Trek and Ben was ayoung nerd.

(26:40):
I was very much a nerd.
I still am.
I know Seven of Nine is hot.
Jerry Ryan is totally my type.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Jerry Ryan's always been hot, doesn't matter what
clothing she's wearing or not,and she was a spicy girl.
So, oh dude, there's multiplevideos of her and her husband at
the time at uh swingers clubsand really going to strip clubs

(27:12):
and she gets on stage.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
How have I never seen this?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
They watched the wrong porn, apparently,
apparently you have to have been, uh, trying to look for porn in
the late 90s I don't know, I, I, I was a kid, yeah there you go
, I mean in 96 I was 10 yearsold dude, yeah so why weren't

(27:36):
you looking for all the jerryryan porn when you were 10 years
old, dude, yeah.
So why weren't you looking forall the Jerry Ryan porn when you
were 10 years old, like?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
a normal person by 12 , I probably was.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Probably were yeah, exactly, Well, yeah, so because
she had some nasty shit to talkabout how her husband was the
one that got her into all thatstuff and she's actually a good
girl, and blah, blah, blah, blahblah.
You know, post-divorce womentend to rewrite history.
Yeah.

(28:04):
But she didn't age too poorly.
I will say that.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, I mean even now in Picard and everything.
She still looked good.
By the way, my trip toMexicoxico, yes, that was fun,
yeah, yeah, I, I'm, I willdefinitely go back well, no shit
, you will, you bought the damnthing hook line sinker.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah uh well, it's not a proud
owner of a uh a.
What's a nice way of putting it?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
a scam, uh-huh, uh-huh no, I I have uh decided
I've made a irresponsiblefinancial decision to make sure
I take vacations for the rest ofmy life that's the way they
sell it.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
All right of my life, that's the way they sell it all
right, you bought a time show.
You bought how many weeks?
One week, so 150 tooth.
150 tooth, so basically twopercent of a property which.
Of course, at the price youpaid values the property at many
millions of dollars for onefreaking room uh, so.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
So first of all one I uh, I bought into the marriott
vacation club, which I alreadyhave a shit ton of status with
marriott and I can move stuffback and forth and they gave me
a bunch of status with marriott,they gave me a bunch of points
with Marriott, they gave methree times what I purchased for

(29:39):
the first two years inallotment and da-da-da-da
whatever.
Anyway, if I use it for 10years, it's a good deal.
If I do not use it for 10 years, it's a bad deal.
So I have to make sure.

(30:00):
I use it.
But anyway, I enjoyed Mexico,seeing some of the Mayan ruins.
I've never been to Mexicobefore.
This is a country that I hadnever been to.
Pop the family's passport,cherry and Elizabeth and William
were very, very much like Iwant to hold my passport, I want

(30:20):
to have my passport I want todo it, I want to do it and you
know, uh, they enjoyed it.
It was beautiful.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I went to isla mujeres um did they tell you why
it's called that, what isla?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
mujeres, uh, the island of the mothers.
Why?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
yeah, so that's.
That was a?
Um, a female centric.
Uh, I don't know, you want tocall it religion cult, whatever.
Um, that was the mayans.
Well, no, it was not just themayans, but that particular
island was apparently forbiddento men.

(31:01):
It was a females-only religiousretreat thing.
Okay, I'm sure they didn't callit a retreat back then, but you
know what I?
Mean.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, so I got to cuss in Spanish a little spanish
a little bit and berate people.
Almost got into a fight whatyou didn't tell me you got into
a fight, I said I almost got.
Well, what does that mean?
So you know the mall that'sright across from the hotel, the
one I was talking about.
Yeah, yeah yeah, so the wherethe kids can, everybody can swim

(31:36):
with the dolphins which theydid uh, I, for whatever reason,
lindsay didn't want to walk,which I wanted to walk, but
whatever.
So we drove and I pull up and Ivalet, because I'm not dealing
with parking, I'm just gonna dothis I it's literally across the
street.
Yeah, we should have justeffing walked, yeah, and played

(31:59):
frogger.
But whatever, yeah, I'm, I'mnot going there.
So, anyway, we're leaving andthe rental car has a ding on it,
whoops, and I'm like, dude, youdid this in space.
Where's, where's your boss, youknow?
And no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Old no, no no.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
And I'm so scared.
So how do you say where is yourboss in Spanish?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Dónde está tu jefe Nice.
Mm-hmm ¿Tu jefe habla inglés?
You know, anyway, I'm going offon him and I'm calling him sad.
Tú estás triste, tú mentiroso.
Oh, and I'm calling him sad.
To us, the three state to mintthe rosa.
You know just jesus christ, andhe's bearing up on me and
getting in my face andeverything and I'm just sitting
there going dude.

(32:44):
I have pictures and I'm showinghim the pictures from monday.
This is on wednesday, from therental car company showing no
ding you did this ding and youknow it.
You took my ticket and you putit in a different color ink and
he's like no, it's on the ticket, it's here, it's here, and I'm
like it's a different color ink.
You know, like you obviouslyjust did that, like it was just

(33:06):
so fucking frustrating the, thelatino, lying machismo
cheesemode bullshit of no, Ididn't do it, no, no, fuck you
dude anyway, welcome to the restof the world, ben, where that's

(33:26):
normal I've been around theworld, dude, but you've been in
very nice portions of the restof the world.
Yeah, yeah anyway, it was justfrustrating.
But it was fun because of theguy in spanish and berate him in
spanish.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
That was all him a little.
That makes your whole year oflearning spanish worthwhile uh,
tomorrow, today, today, todaywill be 365 days.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Nice, so you're done.
Uh, yeah, I'll always learn,like dude.
My Spanish is pretty good.
I got to tell my charqueta jokeabout four times on the trip.
Have I told you that one?
I don't know, no.
So I was working for an oilcompany at the time and I was
out on site at just a trailerbuilding that we were setting up

(34:20):
for a pipeline.
And I walked outside and it wasa cold, rainy day and there were
a lot of Hispanics there fromLatin America working on the
pipeline, and my Spanish that Ihave learned is mostly Spain
Spanish, right so on.

(34:40):
So the Latin American accent isactually really like I can I do
better in Barcelona than I doCabo or Cancun.
Wherever I was there, Cancun.
Wherever I was there, Cancun,Like the accents and the

(35:04):
verbiage is different.
It's just what I've learned,but anyway.
So I'm at this job site and Iwalk out and I go ah que frio
necesito un jaqueta.
So in Spain that would mean ah,it's cold, I need a jacket.
In latin america, oh, it's cold.

(35:24):
I need to jack off nice I'd liketo look at me like what, and I
had no clue.
So I I literally told this jokein Mexico a couple times.
It's not a joke, it reallyhappened to me.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, it's, a story.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, but I was like yeah, you know, because people
would say oh, your Spanish ispretty good, or whatever.
You know, yeah, yeah,da-da-da-da, you know, jerk me
off some more.
Whatever?
But you know what it came downto is.
You know I'm like well, butthere are differences, there's
things.
You know it's, it's not thateasy and you know, thank you for

(36:04):
uh, basically I was, whenever Itold this story, I was saying
thank you for, you know, beingkind to me as an American who's
stumbling through Spanish, and I, I, I, you know, um this one,
uh, uh, shit, what is it Not?
Porter concierge?

(36:26):
at the hotel I was talking withabout something and I was
telling her this and we weretranslating back and forth I was
trying to get pizza orsomething from Domino's for the
kids on my birthday, because youknow the kids on my birthday,
because you know the kids dinnerneeds yeah happy birthday again
.
Well, thank you, I am old youare old, anyway, I'm not quite

(36:48):
40 yet.
I have one more year.
I have 360, you know, threedays, yeah, um, but I was
talking to her, and 63 days.
But I was talking to her andshe was translating between me
and the driver because again,someone in Mexico City who is

(37:14):
well-educated I can probablytalk to fairly easily, who is
well-educated I can probablytalk to fairly easily, driver in
Cancun that you know slurs andeverything else like rough
Anyway, and I was, you know shewas kind of applauding me for

(37:36):
doing as well as I was.
Yeah most people don't try right, right, I like I was, I was
trying and trying to figure outwhere he was supposed to meet me
and everything else and I'mlike I don't understand this,
can you please translate?
And she did and everything else, and I told her that story and
she laughed so hard.
It wasn't even funny, it wasgreat, but yeah, anyway, it was

(37:59):
a good trip.
I got a new chess set, by theway you did.
That's awesome.
That was my birthday present tomyself.
Yeah, it was a replacement chessset for the one that got
destroyed in the last move.
So my uncle had gone to Mexicoin the 50s, 60s for the US Army

(38:23):
and he brought back this chessset, which was a big, very big
Mayan chess set, and I had losta piece at one point in time.
I tried to find a piece.
I could never find areplacement piece, but the board
got just destroyed in the lastmove yeah, that's what happened
to mine as well, I believe, whenI moved to austin yeah, so I I

(38:47):
finally gave up on it, but I 12by 12.
But it's onyx and red coralcarved and pretty nice little
piece and I got it for a fewhundred bucks less than I would

(39:07):
have in the US.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Whoa, how much did you pay?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
$150.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I got, because I
commented to you when I saw itthat, like I've got one almost
identical, or I used to have onealmost identical that I bought.
It was over 20 years ago, itwas probably like 26, 27 years
ago in Mexico, and I think Ipaid 75 bucks for it back then.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Well, inflation.
But, beyond that, looking onEtsy and everywhere else.
Like I saw it, I liked it, Iwent away from the reseller, I
got online and I started lookingat prices in the US and there
were more, yeah, way more, yeah,and I haggled him down a bit so

(39:59):
it worked in spanish.
Yeah, yeah and uh, the thefunny part was, uh, lindsay and
the kids got some t-shirts andstuff from that same little
bizarre thing and um, thefucking t-shirt vendor wanted
like 40 bucks a t-shirt and I'mlike yeah, no, no.

(40:24):
And I'm like, in the unitedstates I might pay 20 bucks a
t-shirt, and that's in the us.
I'm not paying that here, no,and you know, anyway, long short
we got all three t-shirts forlike 30 bucks.
But it's funny how in somecultures you just fucking it

(40:47):
Mexico, apparently, and Arabsespecially.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, the Middle East , you have to haggle like
they're asking price isoutrageous.
It's stupid.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's not what they're gonna actually settle on
actually I think you have to inindia as well and china as well.
So I'd say most of the worldyou have to haggle, uh.
Countries where you don't, Ithink are mostly northern
countries, because russia youdon't.
I mean you can, but it'susually your.
Your starting price isn't goingto be that much different, but,

(41:21):
um yeah, in north europeancountries you tend not to haggle
at all but the further southyou go.
The further south you go, themore haggling you gotta do south
and east.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
What south and east?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
yeah, yeah, yeah anyway, I remember the united
states is quite a bit furthersouth than europe uh, yes, we
are.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
We would be in the middle of africa actually like
that.
That's something that peopledon't realize is the maps are so
skewed.
They are, yep, like africashould be double the size on the
map, like europe is wayoutsized on anyway, yeah, yeah,

(42:05):
I forget the name of it, but thesquare stretch projection of
the maps are really bad.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
That.
My preferred map type to use isthe, the one which, which is a
top down and the bottom up view,split into two portions and
that gives you a much closersize perspective on the
countries.
But it?
But then you have two pictures.
Basically you have the, youknow the bottom and the top of
the world.
Um, the one, the flatrectangular projection, is

(42:36):
bullshit.
That there's one, and I can'tremember any of the names of
these things, but there'sanother one where the sides are
curved.
So basically it's the squareprojection, but with the top and
bottom edges pinched in to makeit look more like a globe.
Or, conversely, if you take asquare and you stretch out the

(43:00):
two middle portions, the leftmiddle and the right middle, so
that they are further out, andthen round that back.
But the standard sort of squaremap is bullshit.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
It makes greenland look huge, it makes alaska look
huge, it makes russia look hugeyeah, and it makes the united
states and canada and greenlandand all that look huge.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well, but yeah, not as much southern us but it, but
certainly it.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
It minimizes the uh, the size of all the countries
around the equator, like they'reactually way bigger than that
yeah well, I just sent you a mapthat's pretty interesting
because it's all the land massesdrawn inside the normal map to
their actual scale oh,interesting, that is kind of

(43:47):
cool.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I like that.
Yeah, mm-hmm yeah, it makesrussia look a lot less, uh
imposing, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
yeah, it does, and it makes europe you know europe,
united states and canada lookway the fuck smaller yeah, in
africa and greenland.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
What about greenland?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
retardedly small inside of itself.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
It's hilarious yeah, yeah no, that's exactly right
and and it's.
It's sort of uh, I think chinalooks either bigger or the same
size, depending on how you lookat it.
Um, I know it's a littlesmaller than in there, but it's
like china versus russia.
Looking at this map, you youunderstand why russia had most

(44:33):
of its missiles pointed to chinaoh, absolutely they're.
They're very similar, analogouscountries yeah, that's cool man,
I like it and I like alaska,like that's a proportion of
alaska right there exactly whichit's not half the size of the
united fucking states, rightright like yeah, alaska's big

(44:59):
cool got it dude madagascar isway bigger than you would think
it is on a normal map.
It's small in relation to othercountries.
On this map, madagascar isactually pretty big yeah anyway,
just something food for thought.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
So, what else we got?
What else do we want to talkabout, man?
Let's see, we got Iran out ofthe way, we got my trip out of
the way.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, you had your DNS issue.
You want to talk about that atall.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh my God, so I get home.
So first sign of trouble wassome of my cameras went offline,
uh, while I was gone.
And I was like yeah, yeah, and Iwas like the fuck, uh didn't
look into it, didn't worry aboutit.
I get home and I've got to dotimesheets, I've got to do work

(45:51):
stuff.
I've got to do stuffimmediately when I get home
Friday to make sure everything'staken care of right, because
people depend on me and, uh, myinternet's down and I'm like the
fuck and I'm having troublesigning into accounts because
I've been out of the country.
So everything's like.
I have a lot of geo lockingstuff, stuff and anyway, fought

(46:17):
through all that finally gotinto my firewall and my unbound.
My dns server on my firewallwon't start.
That service is just dead.
It will not start.
Well, digging into it because Irun PFSense and Unix.
Digging into it.

(46:41):
I also run a couple of otherthings like NTO, png, some
traffic monitors.
I run Zeek.
I run various things.
I clear all the logs.
Zeek.

(47:04):
I run various things.
I clear all logs.
Turns out um in top was umtaking up a shit ton of disk
space and that was preventingthe dns server from restarting
the way it should so you're likelogs were taking up space, or
what.
Well, so so the traffic monitordoes packet capture, it does

(47:27):
deep packet analysis.
It does a lot of things and itwas taking up a shit ton of
space.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
It was taking up about 40% of my disk space on my
firewall, right.
But why was it taking up thatmuch space?
Because usually it's logs.
If you don't put a limit onyour logs, they can grow into
the point where they'llliterally take over your drive.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Everything has a limit.
It was an error.
It was an issue with theversion of the software that I
was running that it was notrespecting the settings that I
had set, I got you Okay, andthere you go, did you?
See that Star Trek New Worldsis ending.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah Well, theoretically yes, I mean you're
changing topics here, butthat's fine.
Well, I thought we were donewith this firewall topic, okay.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I won't go into any more detail.
Anyway, yeah, so Star Trek NewWorlds is renewed for a fifth
season, but only six episodesWe'll see.
So we're getting season three,we've got season four coming,
and then we've got season five,for sure.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, and why do they take such a long break too?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I don't know, I don't .
I don't like it when they dothat.
It's right, but it so I, I.
I don't know if it's actuallyending or what the deal is.
We will see.
People are assuming, becauseit's only renewed for a fifth
season already and it's only forsix episodes.
But you know what TBD.
But I'm looking forward togetting season three and then

(49:12):
four and we'll go from there.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, I like that show, but at this point I kind
of assume it was cancelledbecause it hadn't been out for
so long and we'll go from there.
Yeah, yeah, I like that show,but at this point I kind of
assume it was canceled becauseit hadn't been out for so long.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah well, season three should be released pretty
soon, right?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I don't know, should it?
I mean, you'd think so, but whothe hell knows?
They already did a big previewof what next season's supposed
to be.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
they just haven't released it yeah, it's uh coming
out in july, july, okay, well,july 17th and uh.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Is it going to be weekly or can we binge it?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
uh, it will be weekly .

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Oh, that's why did everybody go back to weekly?
I liked it when companiesrelease shit all at once yeah,
well that's better.
Fuck you, gene.
What do you mean?
Fuck me, no, it's a better wayof consuming it, but at my I
agree with you.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I agree with you.
I'm just saying it's a fuck yougene oh, it's a fuck you gene.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Oh yeah, exactly that's why it's the only reason,
because they want to me.
So I sent you a thing since wewere on tech before.
Uh, it's interesting, I haven'tbought one, but um, because I
can't use it.
But apparently, finally, usb4.
One of the things you can dowith it is just plug one

(50:34):
computer into another computerand they will talk to each other
.
It'll create a on windows 40gigabit.
Yeah, yeah it'll create a 40 giguh connection using ip over
usb4, which is something thatyou know well, ben, that I've
been asking you about a solutionlike that for probably three

(50:55):
years now a little bit.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, I don't know about that long well, it's been
a while and there have beensolutions?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
there have, but not good ones not just plug in a
cable and you're done.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Solutions yeah sure, exactly exactly dude, 48 bits,
jesus, we're getting there,we're getting there.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I mean, at least it gets to 80.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Usb 4 can do 240 watts of power.
Yep, that's insane.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
You know, 240 watts going over one of the lines in
that cable.
That's a fucking dryer yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't understand how they cando that, just purely from a
cable standpoint, because thediameter of the line that that
wattage goes through is verythin.
How's it not heat up?
Agreed, it should heat up.

(51:50):
Your cables are going to be hotto the touch.
So I don't know.
I mean, just because they candoesn't mean they should.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Anyway, yeah, so USB 4.0 will be interesting.
Yeah, it'll be a while beforewe see it, but you know it's out
in Macs.
Right now, okay, I'm talkingabout normal consumer products
on your phones, on your everydaycomputers.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Darren's itching to buy a new Mac.
I don't know if you heard thelast show, I didn't buy a new.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Mac, I did, and I heard your disparaging comments
about me.
It's fine what?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I didn't disparage you one bit Uh-huh, not
disparaging comments about me.
It's fine what.
I didn't disparage you one bituh-huh, not at all.
But darren, definitely uh istrying to come up with an excuse
to buy a mac studio.
He doesn't need a mac studio,he wants all the ai crap.
Why?
I don't know he's into it, sohe he wants the ai stuff.

(52:55):
I don't know he's into it, sohe wants the AI stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Okay, and if that's the circle jerk thing he wants
to do, then cool, go do it yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Well, I mean, his rationale is that he can do it
without spending any money.
How?
Because he gets donations onhis podcast.
Okay, so what I mean is byspending money that people gave
you instead of money that cameout of your account, kind of

(53:25):
thing.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
So I don't know.
Okay, I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
I don't have any desire to run any alarms at home
.
I'm happy to use tools that doAI shit that are web-based and
not need to run anything at home.
So I'm not worried about any ofthat.
Don't need to have a computerjust for that.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Okay, so you know I'm a Minecraft kind of guy where I
don't want Siri or GoogleAssistant or anything like that
reaching out to the web.
I get the desire to run stuffat home.
I run a lot of stuff at home,but I the desire to run stuff at

(54:18):
home.
I run a lot of stuff at home,but I, I just I don't understand
.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Well, something that needs 128 gigs of RAM and either
a high-end Mac CPU or atop-of-the-line three thousand
dollar plus video card is notsomething I need at all.
It's just not in my ballpark.

(54:49):
Here it's it's.
It's such a fringe use casethat using somebody else's
through a web browser and payingfor it is a much cheaper way to
go agreed.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, I don't know why he's wanting a mac studio
though, because, like, look,dude, it's a powerful machine,
it's a lot of stuff, I get it, I, I.
I enjoy the mac hardware a lot.
The mac os is crap it's notcrap, dude, it's.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
It doesn't reboot like your windows box every time
we do a podcast uh, hey, I amno fan of windows.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Uh, that's fine.
Uh, literally I'm sitting onthe only windows machine in my
house you recognize.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
recognize that right, I know the rest are my Macs.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Or Linux, or Linux yeah.
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
So one thing that I was.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Which y'all are making fun of me about Linux.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, linux is good.
You know Linux.
I think I mentioned this, maybeeven two weeks ago, but I'll'll
mention again because it's coolis that in a recent test done
by one of the gamingpublications out there?
websites they used the samehardware and they ran windows on

(56:13):
it windows 11 and they ranlinux on I don't remember which
distro, but one of the distrosand then they ran the same games
on it windows 11 and they ranlinux on I don't remember which
distro, but one of the distrosand then they ran the same games
on it, because you can run alot of games now on linux thanks
to steam and what they foundwas that many like about
two-thirds, if not higher, Ithink.

(56:34):
Actually it was somewherebetween two thirds and three
quarters of the game's framerates were higher on Linux than
on windows 11.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I'm not surprised even running an emulation Um you
know, the fact of the matter isit's uh, you, you have so much
cruft in Windows that doesn'texist anymore.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
It's not saying Linux is good, it's saying that
Windows is that bad yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
I totally agree, because Linux is running
emulation mode and it's stillfaster.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah.
So that's the issue andMicrosoft needs to pay attention
to this.
To pay attention to this andsomething a lot of people have
been asking for is to put outbasically a xbox pc version of
windows with all the crapstripped out of it, because you
look at it like xbox basicallywas running in the same code

(57:32):
base.
It's just a stripped outversion of it because it has
very poor hardware in comparisonand it still needs to do games
in 4k.
So all they need to do is takethat code base, add a few things
that PCs need to it.
You know like it already hasBluetooth, keyboard support and

(57:53):
all that crap, but just make ita little more standardized and
then release it as a gamingversion of the software that
anybody can install on their pc,and then you've got the best of
both worlds.
You've got something that isminimalist and stripped so that
it doesn't slow down the games,but you're not limited to the

(58:14):
crappy xbox.
You can actually run it onhigh-end hardware.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
So when the Xbox 365 came out after the original Xbox
, you mean the 360, yeah, Sure.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
So the original Xbox which I still have one in the
closet somewhere.
I've got both of them, the 360here, and then neither has been
turned down for many years.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Like I hacked the Xbox very early, but that's
neither here nor there.
It was a great platform forstreaming from my illicit
downloads and everything else.
But anyway, when they came outwith the 360, what they did was

(58:58):
they used an early version ofhyper v to emulate and run the
original xbox games.
So if you're trying to play anoriginal xbox game on the xbox
360, yeah that was actuallyrunning in a virtual machine.
Um, they, they did a lot ofstuff there.
They did a lot of stuff withprioritizing.

(59:20):
The are really customizing theos to the processor.
They, they did a lot of thingsthere that were really cool,
that they should have ported andused in windows.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
That they never have nope, and this is why 85 of
people that play video gamesstay on windows 10, even though
it's been out for 10 years now.
Yeah, well, because windows 11is bloatware as I sit here on
windows 11, well, and I've got alaptop with windows 11 that I

(59:52):
was playing games on while I wastraveling, yes, but I I
recognize the fact that were itnot bloatware, the game would
probably be about 30 to 40faster.
It's just taking a massiveframe rate hit in dealing with
all the windows crap, eventhough windows has a gaming mode

(01:00:14):
.
But I think all that does isvisual stuff.
It doesn't actually change theuh anything beyond visually what
the computer does.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I.
I.
So realistically there shouldbe windows.
So there there should be atleast four different versions of
Windows.
There should be server, thereshould be desktop, obviously for
work, and there should be ahome version.

(01:00:49):
That is, I hate the homeversions, but from a consumer
standpoint there's a reason forit.
I get it, but there should be agaming version that is very
stripped down.
You know bare bones.
Here's your kernel.
Here's what you got.
Here's how you load games Go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's what I'm talkingabout is just have either one
version of windows but that hasa checkbox, or you know
something.
You hit to go into gaming modeand it reboots in a stripped
down, very minimalist install,sure, or just sell for the same

(01:01:35):
price a stripped down version ofwindows and I think what they'd
find is they they sell more ofthose.
Well, maybe not to corporate,but to non-corporate users.
They would absolutely sell moreof the gaming version than they
would of the uh, full bloatwareversion agreed so yes and no,

(01:01:57):
they should do it.
They're idiots for not fuckingdoing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
It is my point so apparently here in the last hour
, iran's parliament has voted toclose the street of hormuz uh,
okay, they can't do that uh well, they can try yeah, but it's
like they don't own both banks,right they can close their half.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I guess technically they can, you know, build shit
out and dump rocks into half ofit to close their half.
But that's about it, okay, okay.
Anyway, um legally speaking,practically they have no means
to close it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
It will be interesting to see what they do,
and I would just remind you ofthe 1980s, when we took out, uh,
almost all of Iran's Navy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Mm.
Hmm, I remember that story,that was uh, we almost
accidentally took out all oftheir navy?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
yeah, because it was supposed to be a proportional
response and it just keptescalating.
I don't know.
I I dude.
If they try to close thestraits of hormos, um, the
navy's gonna have a field daylike the nimitz.
The nimitz is over there, yeah,and it's uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Oh, I'm sure they're hoping that they try oh, yeah,
and I don't think trump wouldhesitate to re, to overreact,
meaning we wouldn't just bombthe ships that are trying to do
that.
We would bomb the ports thatthose ships return to, to the
point where they're.
They're no longer ports,they're just beach.

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They would, they wouldeffectively have not just zero
navy but zero capabilities of aNavy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Well, they don't have much of a Navy to begin with.
Like we can argue about China,we can argue about lots of
things, but no Iran has neverhad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
They're not, they are not.
They have a decent size fishingfleet but not a Navy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah uh, yeah, anyway it's.
Uh, it's interesting to seewhat's going to happen because
if you've ever read or watchedeven like the fat electricians
telling of the story about thenaval incident in the 80s, it's

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really interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
So um, what are you sending me here?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
my phone's going crazy well, you, I, I I sent you
a few things.
I sent you the map, then I sentyou a 20 year old latina versus
a 41 year old latina yeah,which?

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
why are you sending me that in the middle of
recording a podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
first of all, because I'm on x and we're talking,
jesus, what do you mean?
So then, I pictures a womanwearing some sweatpants that say
used on the back, and the memeis well, it's nice to see
honesty and advertising, yeah,and then you're like no, that's,
uh, that's a mexican.
This is a 49 year old spanishwoman which you know reasonably

(01:05:24):
attractive a little too baggyfor me too baggy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Penelope cruz is too baggy for you yes, oh my god her
eyes.
Dude that 49, dude yeah okayyou don't?
The alternative is to have acat face, which I prefer much
less than a more natural face.
The plastic surgery stuff justlooks god awful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Okay, I have seen some older women in my life and
there are some attractive olderwomen.
I don't think Penelope cruzlooks like great in that, wow
holy shit, ben's blind folks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Ben's lost his ability to there's there's.
I'm looking at her right now.
I mean neck down, sure, but youknow, neck up she looks like
she's in her mid-30s.
She looks younger than you.
Frankly, dude bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
She totally does let me shave my beard and I'll look
like I'm 12 again I don't thinkso.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I think that that's non-gun buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
You're never looking that young, and then would you
send me a pixelated airplane no,no, so I sent the, not the b,
uh, the uh.
Activate the sleeper cells fromthe itola and, oh yeah,
americans going, oh yeah, let'sgo, and then everybody's a

(01:06:51):
gangsta until the sky startsmissing its pixels.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
It's a silhouette of b12 a reference to the square
yeah, square lines on it.
I've always been a fan ofangular style.
I mean, I can appreciate theroundy designs, for sure, but
there's just something aboutangular things that, just like

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there's no doubt that they'rehuman created.
There's nothing in nature thatlooks like that it's.
It's not pretending to be abutterfly or something.
You know it's.
Yes, it's a tool.
It looks manly, it's a tool,whereas you get into some of

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these design styles that are allcurry and wavy and organic
looking and it's like, okay,well, they're trying to emulate
a more organic, natural lookhere.
The b, the b2, does not havethat problem uh no, but it's
definitely not the and the f117was even better yeah, that's

(01:07:58):
what I was about to say.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
It's definitely not the f-117, no, the f-117 was so
fucking cool man.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I love that plane why , because it's cool, it's.
It looks like it shouldn't beable to fly uh, it barely was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
It doesn't matter, it flew.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, it literally was a flying brick half a brick,
but it was very cool lookingand I, uh, it looked like a
batman.
You know that's what it lookedlike.
It looked like a plane out of abatman movie, sure like old
school batman of the the 80s and90s, not the modern Batman.

(01:08:43):
I agree.
Yeah, and I don't know.
I think they all retired a longtime ago now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
No CIA and a couple in the Air Force F-117s.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah.
Really.
Yep, wow, that's surprising.
The other thing that I likedabout them was they were
single-seater planes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
So why do you like a single-seater plane?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Because the plane becomes an extension of the body
.
At that point there's no twosouls or more inside of it.
It's a single plane, singlepilot, and the plane just is an
extension of the body.
It's something that you developafter spending thousands of

(01:09:30):
hours flying, whether it's inspace or in airplane simulators.
You wouldn't know about it, butyou feel like the?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
plane is part of you, Dude.
I have flown in the simulatorand it is surreal.
Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
It's not real, it's surreal.
So no, I've always been a bigfan of the F-117s.
The closest that I saw one wasabout 80 feet away, which is not
close enough.
I'd love to at some point go toa museum where you can actually
touch the damn thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah, uh, man, I like I the coolest planes I have
seen in person.
I've seen, uh, Blackhawk.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Not a plane, but okay .

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Well, okay, well, whatever.
Sr-71.
Yeah, those are awesome WorldWar II stuff, of course, yep,
which the lightning is myfavorite favorite, but neither
here nor there.
And uh, like the lightning,like the p-51 gets a lot of love

(01:10:50):
, but the lightning was thecoolest plane of world war ii is
that the british one fuck you.
No, it was in the pacific, itwas the interceptor, it was the
twin fuselage.
Oh, okay, okay, the lightningthat had more fucking firepower.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
What am I thinking?
There's a British one thatsounded similar to lightning.
I'll look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Anyway, no, Anyway, the other cool plane that I've
seen in person and gotten to beactually aboard was a what's the
big cargo plane, main cargoplane for the US Army, the Not

(01:11:38):
the big big one the C-130.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah, the AC-130s.
Yeah, I've been on a C-130gunship, the C-130.
Yeah, c-130.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
The AC-130s yeah, I've been on a C-130 gunship,
which was pretty cool.
Well, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
I've only flown in a simulator.
I've never been inside a realone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Airshows need to be a thing again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Well, they are a thing.
One of my buddies that actuallysemi-list this podcast.
He's a big airplane guy.
He's got a couple airplanes and, um, uh, he was up here in
texas and we went to the gunrange.
I I sent you photos.
But he, he goes up to wisconsinevery year, um, for oshkosh,

(01:12:23):
which is the biggest air show inthe country.
Apparently now I I haven't beento oshkosh since I was a kid.
When I was a kid, I went tooshkosh either two or three
times, I can't remember.
I got a helicopter ride outthere one year, um, and it was
just really fun to see all thethe cool world war ii stuff.
But you know, when you live adriving distance away it's

(01:12:45):
different than when you livelike half a country away.
But for him it's an excuse togo fly up there.
So every year he just flies upthere, okay, so so my point is
air shows do exist, but not nearus which is weird because when

(01:13:09):
I was growing up, like Iremember going to air shows,
quite frankly, across thecountry thunderbolt, that's the
british one.
I was thinking of the thunderThunderbolt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Yeah, yeah, not the same thing.
No, apparently this is aninteresting breaking story on X
Several submarines US submarineshave surfaced around Jesus

(01:13:42):
Christ, what are you sending meflying brick?
No, you, you sent me a textfrom wikipedia.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's thething that.
Was that supposed to be a link?
Yeah that's a link it's not alink.
You're right, it's not a linkanyway, um, but anyway, several
us subs.
Uh, anyway, I googled what yousent, yeah, yeah, but anyway.

(01:14:06):
So every carrier group, strikegroup, has a submarine escort.
We know that, but it's veryclassified as to what, and so on
, da-da-da-da-da.
Apparently they just surfacedaround the Nimitz and others
like hey, here we are, which isinteresting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah, I think that's clearly a display.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Oh, very much so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Yeah, it's questionable.
So you kind of wonder whichtactic is better.
Is it better to just be unseenand then strike, or is it better
to do some peacocking and hopeyou don't have to strike?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
I think the peacocking is okay here and
there.
I sent you the lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Yeah, I have seen it.
Yeah, so it's P38 versus P40zone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah Twin engine, yeah Twin fuselage.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Didn't one of those crash recently in Texas?

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I don't know, I, I, if I.
If there was ever a plane, if Iwas ever going to say what
would my dream plane that Icould own would be it would be
that plane, the amount offirepower that that plane had
versus, like, literally, theydidn't even call it a fighter

(01:15:37):
because they created thedesignation interceptor for this
plane.
Dude, it was fast, it wasmaneuverable, it had a shit ton
of firepower.
I have always been in love withthis plane since I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
I guess it was 2013 that it crashed.
Sorry, I thought it was morerecent.
It was at an air show.
Yeah yeah, that happensoccasionally.
Unfortunately is some of these,you know, old dudes flying old
planes will occasionally crash.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, that plane left last service in 1965 from the
honduran air force.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
wow, yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I.
I, to be honest, I just don'treally like any old planes or
old guns.
I'm I'm more of a modern person.
Okay, it's well, and modern, Iguess, is relative.

(01:16:49):
So modern meaning from the 80sonwards, since you were an adult
yeah, not even since I was akid.
But it's like if I look atstuff like that, I get it for
its time.
It's very cool, but I just likejets more.
Okay, I don't know, I'm tryingto think of what my favorite

(01:17:18):
plane would be.
I just always keep going backto a 747.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
You've seen the movie Down Periscope right yeah yeah.
Think of what my favorite planewould be.
I just always keep going backto a 747.
You've seen the movie DownPeriscope right yeah yeah, where
a diesel sub beats the modernNavy and a woman is almost out
of uniform.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Yeah, um, yeah it, that's.
Uh, I think that there was um.
Who's the woman in that movie?
I'm sure that was kelsey.
Grammar was the main dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I look, Iwouldn't mind having a diesel
sub.
That would be awesome.
I wouldn't yes having your ownsubmarine.

(01:18:03):
That would be super cool.
I've I've spent so many hoursin submarine simulators.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
You wouldn't believe it I, I promise you, I promise
you, I promise you, I believe itbelieve it well, especially
german ones, that tends to bethe more popular one.
Yeah, type 7s, I fully Dude.

(01:18:29):
I believe that, yeah, anyway,anything you tell me about
simulators, I am very muchbelieving and thinking you have
done because yeah, Yep, now onethat I haven't played but I own

(01:18:54):
is an Apollo simulator.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Why haven't you played it?
Because I have too much otherstuff, but it looks very, very
tricky, because this is what Ireferred to as old school, uh,
rocketry, um, so pre-computersreally, and uh, I mean, they do
have rudimentary computing, butthe bottom line is everything is
a switch, yes, and and soyou're not typing anything in,

(01:19:22):
you're not clicking virtualon-screen button correspondences
, everything is a physicalswitch, and so there's a billion
things you have to memorize forwhat to do, in what type of
situation, and they're allmanual clicks.
Yeah, yeah, so it's.
I mean, that's more difficult,I think well, I mean, this was

(01:19:45):
yes, yeah like, if you see,you've seen the inside of the
dragon, right?
yeah, it's, it's touch screens.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
It's basically you're sitting in front of an ipad
yeah, yeah, which is, and it'sall automated and everything
there's nothing that you'redoing manually.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Everything is done through touchscreen controls yep
, in fact disappointing they re.
They released when they first,uh, when the first dragon went
up, uh, musk's company, spacex,released a game that was a the
ui of their actual dragon ui, uh, for the controls.

(01:20:25):
But they released a game whereyou would have to guide the
dragon, uh, using thrusters todock with the iss, okay, and um,
and I remember thinking that,man, they really could use
better graphics, but that'stheir actual user interface on

(01:20:47):
the actual controls for theactual Dragon, okay, which is
funny.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
All right, but if you look at like the Apollo
missions or anything, like thatthese big, broad control panels.
To your point, they wereliterally this switch.
I mean, behind me I'm lookingat my PDP-8 and my PDP-11, and
you've got the DIP switches forprogramming the memory and

(01:21:15):
everything else that times 100,right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Yeah and yeah, and what?
Well, my point is that it's adifferent type of gameplay.
It's not reactions quickly.
This gameplay it's like do Iremember the procedure that I
read for dealing with thisscenario and which switches do I

(01:21:46):
toggle?
In what order?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
well, but that's part of the reason why the nasa you
know the astronauts on apolloand everywhere, uh, all the
other missions for that mattertrained the way they did.
Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
It was harder being an asteroid back then than it is
today.
I suspect, based on what I'veseen, we have way too many women
astronauts these days.
Okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Yes, and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Well, my point is you didn't have that back in the
60s?

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Okay, gene, what are you trying to say here?

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
You know how bad the women are at clicking buttons.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Uh-huh, like I.
It's just I don't even knowwhat to say to this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah, I know I get such a non-sequitur I got you
stumped, all right, uh, whatelse we got.
We got anything else.
I'm trying to think of, uh,what else we've talked about
offline, or if there's anythingelse major happening in the
world.
I mean Ukraine, no one gives ashit about anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
It's not even covered at all.
The short bill and the silencerstuff is in the big beautiful
bill at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Yes, that is true.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
That is a very good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Yeah, and so far it hadn't been stripped out of
there, so this whole thingpasses no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
No, the short bill got added into it.
It did not.
It was not in the house version.
It is in the senate version,but that's that's all right,
that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
So if the house doesn't strip it out from their
joint bill, like people in thehouse basically have to agree to
the Senate, version it has togo to reconciliation,
reconciliation is different thanthe full If it doesn't get
stripped out in thereconciliation, then we're good
to go Agreed.
Yeah, but it's everything.

(01:23:54):
It's silencers, it's shortbarrels and it's full auto.
No, it's not full auto.
I thought it was full auto aswell.
No, no.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I thought there was three things.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
So silencers, short barrels.
There was something else then.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
No, full auto hasn't been on the table so far, but
one of the interesting things isthat the ATF and the
reorganization of the ATF- Holdon one second.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yeah, oh, oh, it was, you're right, you're right.
So here's what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
It was suppressors, short barrels, rifles and
shotguns, and also any otherweapons were also on it, that's
what it was which you know uh,the you know uh, if you have a
pistol with a brace and then avertical grip that would be in
any other weapon, yeah, so yeah,so that would no longer require

(01:24:57):
a text stamp now, should havenever but anyway, the the
remember, they're not changingthe law, they're just modifying
the way it's applied, and so youstill have to fill out the
forms.
It's just no no, no, no, no, no,no.
That is it, it is.
It goes.
The short barrel rifles and thesuppressors and the any other

(01:25:18):
weapons goes to just a normalgun purchase so you don't have
to form, you don't have to do aform for or what was it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
it's the normal background check okay well,
that's even better purchasebecause I thought you still had
to do the form.
You just didn't need to pay themoney not the way the law is
written.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
They actually stripped it.
No fingerprinting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
No, nothing interesting, wow, okay, well,
that's even better.
Yeah, I thought it was justgetting rid of the 200 no, it's
not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
It's not getting rid of the tax stamp, it's actually
removing them from the nfa, sothey just become a normal arm
how do they manage to sneak thatin them, because the
reconciliation bill isn'tsupposed to have new laws.
Because it has to deal with thetax.
So by removing them, though Iguess they're removing them from
the NFA, which is a tax, andthat's how they're doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
So they're just changing what's taxable
effectively.
I could see that.
Well, that's great.
That's better news than I wasexpecting, because I I thought
they were just going to make itcheaper, aka free, but to remove
them completely from the mfa.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
You're right, it means you don't have any other
forms to fill out, and no yeah,and, and if you don't get
approved, it goes through theBrady process and you wait your
few days and you're done.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
I think two weeks, no , it's five days.
Five days, that's all.
It is Five days yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
So, anyway, the point is suppressors are about to
become dirt for energy.
Mass market.
Yeah, yes.
I would love to still pick up.
I am glad I didn't buy one lastyear.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I know right.
Well, and you saw, SuppressorCentral is once again doing the.
Get it now, don't wait, andwe'll pay for the tax stamp.
Yeah, yeah, don't doing thatwhole thing.
I still want to get that onethat I've liked for the last
three years, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Yeah, the flow through one, the flow through.
Yeah, the free flow suppressor,that's titanium and it's like
1300 but, and I thought I wasthe expensive guy wanting the uh
, wanting the surefiresuppressor, yeah, yeah yeah,
surefire is like the bmw of thesuppressors.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Yeah, it is very much so but you know it's.
I mean it's also the bmw offlashlights but they work, they
work very well, they're veryreliable I remember paying like
185 dollars for the firstgeneration led surefire and and

(01:28:01):
it was like my gun cost 250.
It was a black police gun andthe flashlight was almost as
much.
Yeah, crazy, but I I don't knowit's.
I've had good luck withsureFires.
Everything they've made hasbeen really good.
It's just all been wayoverpriced.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Okay, so I've had good luck with a lot of
different flashlights.
My everyday carry flashlight isactually an Olight and I carry
They've gotten much better.
I carried the same Olight Batonlittle flashlight for four

(01:28:44):
years before it died and when itdied I sent a message to Olight
.
They sent me a message back andthey shipped me a new one.
That's awesome.
I like that, like very goodcustomer service.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
You know, I've got decent chargers.
I've got a bunch of stuff.
I've also got o lights thathave just died.
Um, I don't trust weapon lightsto o light.
But you know, what I carryaround in my pocket is, you know
, a utility thing.
So that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Well, I have the story with the ship.
The return is literally whatimpressed me so much about the
mouse that I have, which is Ioriginally did on the
Kickstarters.
It was a brand new company atthe time, swiftpoint, and it was
the ultimate gaming mousebecause it had everything in it.

(01:29:34):
Basically, it has a gyroscopein it so you can lift the mouse
off the table.
It has touch sensitive, has, uhtouch sensitive, four different
touch sensitive buttons whichyou can set the the desired
pressure that you want.
Depending on the pressure,they'll do different functions.
Uh, it's got a total of, Ithink, 12 buttons on it.

(01:29:59):
I mean, it's everything, butit's not wireless, it's wired.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
And it was 240, which some people might think is a
lot of money for a mouse it is alot of money, but after which,
by the way, you still have tobring me my keyboard.
I know I still have yourkeyboard still sitting here in
the back.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
I know uh and um.
So after three years of usingthe mouse, one of the buttons
started misbehaving, like itwasn't consistently clicking,
and so I wrote tech support.
I'm like so I know, this isobviously out of warranty.
It's been three years since Igot it.

(01:30:37):
This is one of the originalKickstarter ones, anyway and
this button's starting to fail.
It, this one of the originalkickstarter ones anyway.
Um, and this button's startingto fail.
So I was wondering to find outif, if I could get a like a
discount on buying a replacementmouse.
And the guy replies back withwhat's your address?
I'm like well, I don't know whythat would matter.

(01:30:57):
I guess they they're looking itup to see if it's covered by
warranty or something.
So I sent them the address andthen he replies back all right,
it's on its way.
They just sent me a brand newone for free.
Like holy shit, this is the bestcustomer service I've ever had.
I wasn't even expecting it, Iwasn't asking for it and it was

(01:31:19):
a one button on a mouse and theyjust did it.
They just sent me a brand newone.
So from that point on, I havenow bought two more of those
mice like the, the same oneagain and then a slightly
updated version of it.
They're both still in boxes.
I'm still using my originalmouse replacement that they sent

(01:31:39):
me, because the thing justworks that well and there's no
point in pulling out a new onethat's identical to the one that
I'm using because you know.
I mean, it still works, all thefunctionality is still there so
why?
did you buy more?
Well, I, I told the guy.
It's like I I'm veryappreciative of the support,

(01:32:00):
this is great, and you know I'mnot going to expect you to do it
twice, so I'm just going toorder one right now so I have a
spare one sitting in the box andit's still sitting in the box
years later.
And then they had a new version, an update to that mouse that
they did about a year and a halfago and so when that was a

(01:32:21):
Kickstarter, so I obviously didthat Kickstarter with as well,
because I had such good quality.
But both of those are stillsitting in boxes because I'm
still waiting for my technicallymy second one, but it's the
replacement for the original,waiting for that today and it
still is alive, and that theoriginal Kickstarter was seven

(01:32:42):
years ago cool, so I just reallylike companies that support and
the prices have come down quitea bit, like this, the one that
I originally had in thekickstarter, I think.
Now you can buy for about 130bucks, so it's way cheaper still
the best.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
A lot of money for a mouse yeah, yeah, some people
would say that uh, not somepeople me well you?

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
you know you've been cheap in the past.
I think you're finally gettingover that hump and starting to
spend some money.
How so well?
You bought a timeshare okay youknow, um, but yeah, you've
always been cheap dude.
You can't argue with that I can.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
I don't think I'm cheap.
I think I'm frugal.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
There's a difference, yeah yeah, frugal is the word
that cheap people use todescribe being cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Am I wrong A little bit, but it's okay.
When did you buy a new caragain?
Oh shit, the last time I boughta new car was 2018.
Yeah Well, a new brand new car.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah, I've bought several cars since then, other
people's cars.
Yeah, you've bought otherpeople's cars.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Well, I mean the 2017 is Lindsey's Explorer.
My truck is a 2013.
Yeah, that I've had, since itwas new, which you know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
I used to be the new car every two years guy, which
you know.
I used to be the new car everytwo years guy but my current,
only car that I have right nowis 12 years old, no, 11 years
old.
There's nothing wrong with thatGene.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
No, it's only got 40,000 miles on it, so it's
perfectly good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Yeah, my, my truck is .
Uh, the 2013 has 218 000 mileson it and has had very little
issues.
Well, I've got 175 000 lessmiles on mine than yours, but
that's just a year younger, okay, now, the one thing I do have
to replace that I noticed is mywindshield wipers a year younger
, okay, now, the one thing I dohave to replace that I noticed
is my windshield wipers arestarting to disintegrate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Well, I mean, that's consumable.
That's something you should bereplacing pretty much regularly.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
I just need to put them on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
I just sent you a picture of John McCain's grave
after hearing that trump bombediran oh, that is so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
That is bad man.
That's even a shitty Photoshopjob, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
But it's hilarious, it is funny.
It's a gravestone marker thatsays John McCain, and then
there's an obvious erectioncoming up from the grave.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I mean dude, but true right, totally, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Hey, I need to order some 123 batteries.
Can you remind me to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Gene order some CR123s.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Jesus Christ, You're more useless than Siri.
I mean go to Sam's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Get the Energizers from Sam's.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
I was going to just Amazon them.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Alright.
Well, Sam's is cheaper, butokay, Is it?
In my experience, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
I don't use the batteries all that often anymore
.
We were talking aboutflashlights and I checked mine
and, sure enough, the batteriesare dead.
So I need to get some ordered.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Yeah, I keep CR-123s around and I.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
I think I actually have some rechargeable ones, but
I don't know where they are.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
CR123As yeah.
Now, so I actually have acharger.
There's a company offline.
I'll send it to you, butthere's a company that I've
ordered batteries from.
Let me find it real quickbecause this is tip of the day.
This, this is the tip of theday.
This is ben's tip of the day.

(01:37:04):
Fuck john's tip of the day,it's ben's tip of the day amazon
sells uh cr123s for uh so go toall right.
here it is uh 18 18 650 batterystorecom.
I'll drop a link.
This place is fucking awesome.

(01:37:26):
Yeah.
Um, like I, I have boughtbatteries from here for lots of
different things.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Oh sure, fire has their own batteries.
I'll order those.
No, don't do that, don't dothat.
Don't do that.
Why they should?

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
be pretty good, right ?
They're really not Trust me onthis.
Go to 18650.
Yeah, 18650batterystorecom.
Okay, are you going there?
Yeah, I'm typing it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
You could have sent me a link, but I had to type it.
Okay, I'm typing it.
You could have sent me a link,but I had to type it.
Okay, I'm there, copy and paste.
Huh, and then what?

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
What do you mean and what?

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Well, I went there, and now what?

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
So Select.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
CR123s.
They've got energizers forthey're sold out of all their
CR123s.
Good job, Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Okay, well, anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
They can't be sold out, they can't be sold out of
all their CR123s.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
They are Okay, weird.
Anyway, but anytime you needRandom lithium batteries or
anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
That's a good price if they weren't sold out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Sure, they have great prices, they have good
batteries, they've got Samsungs,they've got all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
I mean I could get two Energizer batteries For ten
bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
What size?

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
1-2-3's.
They've got what I can get twoEnergizers on Amazon for $10
yeah, and they're $1.50 I knowthat's my point, but they're
sold out, so it doesn't do meany good well, but how soon do
you actually need them?
Never know when the power goesout.

(01:39:25):
I might need a flashlight.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Okay, anyway, point is batteries, battery chargers,
stuff like that.
This is a very cool websitewith a lot of really good stuff.
Like I have one of the Nikkorchargers from here, I've bought
a bunch of really good stuff.
Like I have one of the NICORchargers from here, I've bought
a bunch of batteries from here.
They've got a lot of good stuffat a very reasonable price.

(01:39:51):
There you go, ben's tip of theday.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
All right, cool.
Well, we'll definitely checkthem out if they have anything
in stock at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Yeah, they have a lot of stuff in stock, but I have
all those other batteriesalready.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
I just need these you get some knockoff Chinese
brands for really cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Do you think they explode?

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Yes, yes, do you think they explode?
Yes, yes, I do you know.
So anyway, yeah, no, like ifyou were building a solar array
or anything else like they havethe big batteries, you know,

(01:40:40):
like the ev batteries, yeah,stuff like that that you can buy
.
They're like 400 bucks, but youknow, jesus christ, I mean
they're like 314 amp hours yeah,milliamp amp hours.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Yeah, cool, yeah, okay, well, all right, good
enough, ben, I think we'rerunning out of topics, since
we're surfing the web andnothing.
Nothing says we have to haveexactly two hours, so let's go
ahead and wrap it here and then,um, you know, hopefully you're
done with your cold flu,whatever the hell you got by

(01:41:19):
next show uh, I hope so, man.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
I feel good now, so hopefully, but yesterday was
just like I said, absolute.
Just kick in the pants, dogshit.
All right, man.
Well, we'll talk to you nextweek.
Gene Sounds good.
See you then.

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