122 Suppressor Tax Redux: The Senate Showdown and Political Realities

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, howdy Ben, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm doing great Gene you.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I'm doing pretty good and I will apologize up front
for any noise you may or may nothear.
Hopefully you won't hear it,but if you do, I've got a half a
plate that I'm trying to finishfrom lunch yet Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
How about you?
You?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
eating at all or any fun facts.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Dude, I had a CT scan this morning.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hmm, okay, and they find the brain in there after
all.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ha, ha ha.
No, this was of my pelvic andabdomen region.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Oh, Due to the priapism I'm sure they couldn't
find a damn thing then.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah Well, we were just trying to make sure there
wasn't lymphoma right, right, um, and luckily no lymphoma on the
CT, so that is a good thing,that, uh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Is there a but?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
well, we just did without knowing a root cause for
this.
You know, who knows how we'regoing to resolve it, but, uh,
who knows how we're going toresolve it?
But so we'll see.
Anyway, so all the known causes.
Not a direct link, I did findone medication.
I did find one medication that Ihad been prescribed when I was

(01:20):
in my 20s.
It's an anti-seizure med thatthey put me on for my heart
stuff because I have WPW WolfParkinson White and that
anti-seizure medication waslinked to this condition in an
11-year-old boy.
Boy, but it's so.

(01:44):
I mean it's one case, so youcan't draw anything, and this is
years later and he was activelyon it.
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
There's lots of stuff , man.
This is the first you'veexperienced this year.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Was what.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
This year was the first time you experienced it.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, I've never had this before.
I don't like being a medicalmystery.
Like can we do something elsehere, anyway?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, if you were a house, they would probably try
and remove part of your brainjust to test to see what that
would do yeah, they, they wouldthink it was lupus.
Yeah, yeah, anyway exactly, soyeah, good enough with me.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
The world has kind of uh, done some stuff since we've
been off.
I'm kind of glad we waited todo the show and didn't do it
till today, with everythingthat's happened.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, okay, I mean, we're definitely running a
couple days late.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes, mm-hmm.
So where do you want to start?
Do you want to start with thebig beautiful bill?
Do you want to start with thearrests, the massive number of
arrests?
Do you want to?
I mean, you can start with thearrests the massive number of
arrests.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Do you want to start with the bill?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
that's fine okay, well, the short act and the
hearing act are out of the bill.
Yep, um, they did take the uhtax to zero, though, so there's
that this is not over, that'strue.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
They're going to try and put the tax back into 200.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
No, the short act and the suppressor off the NFA
could end up back inreconciliation, like the House
can put it back in and then theSenate can fire the back in,
yeah, and then the senate canfire the fucking parliamentarian
and throw some balls well, butwhat would make you think they
would ever do that?

(03:53):
Um, because I think there'senough of us demanding that they
do it and when has that evermattered to senators?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
remember, senate is the longest single term serving
uh in government, so they're themost immune from voters.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, I mean Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Justice is life, but sure well, it is life, that's
true, but they actually have towork, unlike these guys.
Unlike these guys.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, I don't know.
I think there's a chance thatit gets put back in, and that
would be great.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Mm-hmm.
So we'll see.
Yeah, I think this was a tease.
This is a little bit of a teasejust to see you know what it
feels like for people to givethem something they really
wanted for the last 50 years.
And oh, I was just kidding,sorry about that.
Yeah, people to give themsomething they they really
wanted for the last 50 years andoh, I was just kidding, sorry

(04:51):
about that.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I.
I don't think they're going toget away with that man, but
we'll see, we'll sing.
Well, the solution here is totry and sneak it through a tax
bill.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
It's to actually have legislation that kills it off.
The f, the uh nfa.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, but that would require 60 votes and you're
never going to get that well,change rules that would be a bad
idea yeah, I think, I think, ifyou don't do things when you're
in power, the other sideabsolutely will and you're just
gonna get fucked okay, I wouldrather change the rules in a

(05:24):
more minor way, like firing theparliamentarian and removing
that position, because thatposition didn't exist until the
1930s and it's a bs positionthere have only been six
parliamentarians in the historyof the united states.
Exactly somebody's got to keepthe law well, that position

(05:46):
exists because they startedadmitting non-lawyers to the
senate okay, I don't see howthat's relevant that that
position's job is to explain tothe non-lawyers what actually
they can and can't do sure, butwhen they lie, and which I'm

(06:11):
sorry, but like these bills werewritten to get through the dobs
, uh, the dobs rule.
So for the parliamentarian tosay, well, it doesn't pass, pass
that obs rule, I think is realBS.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, my question was can they just ignore her, not
get rid of her or anything?
But just okay.
Thank you for advice.
We'll just keep doing whatwe're doing.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yes, they can.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Well then, it's really not on her, it's on the
50 Republicans, sure.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
And then I don't.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
And then I don't know , did you see Corrin's numbers
right now?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
No, I assume he's going to lose, but why?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
The sorry, the guy that's running against him has
got a 20-point lead over him.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I mean the guy who's running against him in the
Republican primary is, you know, our ex-attorney general, dan
Paxton.
But I think obviously peoplehave heard of Paxton.
I like Paxton, I always likedhim.
I think obviously people haveheard of Paxson.
I like Paxson, I always likedhim, me too.
But also I think more peopleare starting to realize that
Cornyn's not a Republican.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yes, yes and.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So once again, I point the finger back at a
population Everybody's got thegovernment they deserve, Because
if people fail to elect peoplewho truly represent them, then
they will have representativeswho truly don't.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, but you know, so fantastic if we could just
purge half of the House andSenate, like just wipe them off
the table.
And the way I would like to seethat done would be like they

(08:26):
did release the epstein filesand oh yeah mr senator, you're
under arrest, like that would bethe best way to do it, because
then there's no hope of themcoming back, you know, and then
you can just vote in new peopleyeah, I don't think that's
likely.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I don't think it's likely either.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
But I can.
I can have a dream gene don'tquestion, that's your.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
If that's your one dream dude, go for it um do?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I only get one you only get one.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's how it works.
One per lifetime and it's justgoing to be repeated over and
over and over every night.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
What a nightmare that would be.
I know right, Some people livewith that.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Look, at some point you're going to run out of video
memory for the AI and thesimulation is going to have to
just start repeating certainthings.
Well, my take on that is it'sit's sad for sure, because it'd
be fun to buy suppressors andyou know other things without

(09:38):
having to pay any additionalmoney to get them without the
background additional paperworkbullshit.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
The background track is the bigger part.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, but it's both, it's not just one, I think it's
both.
But I also didn't ever thinkthat this was likely to stand up
and send it, and we talkedabout it.
I said this is great news fromthe house.
Let's see what happens in thesenate, cause I'm not confident
in the Senate's going to be ableto pass it, and sure enough

(10:06):
they're not.
So it's, it's um.
Senate operates on a differentset of rules.
Their rules are we're herelonger than the president, so we
have to do deals with otherpeople that are here longer than

(10:28):
the presidents.
Whether we get a Democrat orRepublican in Congress, we're
going to have basically the samehundred people in the Senate,
give or take maybe a couple ofchanges a year, or a couple of
changes every four years orevery two years.
I guess it'd be every two years, but that's about it.
I mean, most senators getreelected for five, six, seven,
eight terms.
So it's the same drinking clubas Adam would say, getting

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together, outlasting presidentsand everybody else, and so for
them to want to get all partisanall of a sudden would actually
be a shock, and not apredictable one at that, because
it's a lot more likely that theSenate is as close to a union
party as we have.
In fact, they all took vacationthe same time, you know, to the

(11:19):
same place, to JeffreyEpstein's Island.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
So Mm-hmm Allegedly.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
When you allegedly vacation together, you know
you're less likely to go againstyour friends, regardless of
what side of the aisle they'reon, than you are to go against
your party.
The party doesn't really matteras much as just the people you
know.
When you're in the Senate theHouse, on the other hand we get
elections every two years youreally have to make sure that

(11:50):
you're doing what the partywants or you ain't coming back,
yeah, yeah.
So, and remember senatorsaren't people, they're senators.
And remember senators aren'tpeople, they're senators.
So it's a not unexpected.

(12:10):
I'm not happy about it, but alsoI'm not really surprised that
this happened.
I wasn't sure how it was goingto happen.
This is not the way I wouldhave predicted that they would
end up getting shut down, but Iguess this way they found a way
to blame somebody else and stillshut it down and shrug their
shoulders and say, oh, not ourfault.

(12:31):
You know, I'd love to vote forthis thing.
I'd, you know, love to have itback in there.
But sorry, can't.
Parliamentarian spoke.
That's it, we're done well, Iagain.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's not done.
I think the house can and willadd it back in and it'll get
subtracted back out again.
I mean it's well then, trump'sbig bit of big, beautiful bill
may be doa I, I said that to youI think two days ago.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I sent you a text message says okay, so bills doa.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
All right, that's so what is trump going to regroup
and do then?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
that's a good question, because trump was
going to end the ukrainian warday one.
We're now nine months in stillgoing on.
We're still paying, and what Imean by it is we're still paying
the bills for all of ukraine,the us taxpayer.
We're just not talking about it.
It's not publicly on TV thatyou know we should send more
money, but we're still sendingmore money.

(13:28):
Nothing's changed, nothing'sstopped.
He bombed Iran, which issomething I talked to your mom
about.
Neither one of us is happyabout.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, so we talked about it too.
Yeah, we did.
I'm not a huge fan of thebombing of iran.
I think it's dumb in a lot ofways, but I will say he got away
with it.
Like iran did not retaliate,the ceasefire is holding.
He got away with it yeah,that's the analogy.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I like this.
Uh, a video that um freedomtunes did where it's basically
yeah trump driving the car andyou got a couple of kids in the
back seat slapping each otherand it's and the kids were the
ayatollah and yeah, bb yeah, soit's is it's Israel and Iran
sitting back there and he's likeknock it off, you guys, don't

(14:28):
make me turn around and you know, slap both of you or whatever
the hell.
He said it was cute, it's a cutecartoon.
Freedom Tunes probably doesabout 80% cartoons I think are
funny and then 20% of them arejust they miss, don't hit the
mark.
But a good 80% of them are justthey miss, don't hit the mark.
But good 80 percent of them aregenuinely funny.
One of the things he used to dothat, the freedom tunes dude

(14:52):
there's a raging catholic, bythe way, but um, oh yeah he's an
uber catholic.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Uh, one of the things he used to do shameless.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes, one of the funny things he used to do is have a
fix your meme.
So he would take lefty memes,which generally are stupid, and
then he would fix them for themto make them actually funny.
I don't know, I haven't seenone of those in a while, so he
probably doesn't do thoseanymore, but I always enjoyed
them.
I always thought they werepretty damn funny.

(15:25):
So I don't know, dude, I mean'slike, well, nothing's really
changed.
And this is this is alwayssomething that everyone's known
on both sides of the aisle abouttrump is trump is all about
loud rhetoric, it's all abouttalking loud and everything's
huge, everything is going to bethe greatest and blah, blah,

(15:45):
blah, yeah, yeah.
How's those Epstein filescoming around?
Make any headway on the ATF?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I mean, yes, actually they did fire a whole bunch of
ATF agents.
I mean a huge number of ATFagents got fired.
We just had these arrests whereover 350 people were arrested.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
It was 15%, it was not that huge a number 15% of
all the ATF.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
yes, but this was like 30-something percent of the
field agents.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Okay, I guess, if you look at it that way, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, but that's after.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Biden hired an additional.
How many of them?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
This goes to pre-biden levels.
It cuts even further thanpre-biden levels yeah that's
good.
And what about the arrests thatwe just saw against the
medicare medicaid fraud?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
yeah, I mean that's good fantastic, but that that's
very non um, I mean, it ispolitical.
I don't want to saynon-political, it is political.
I don't want to saynonpolitical, but it's
nonpartisan.
Like everybody ought to behappy about arrests for fraud,
especially medical fraud, wow.
So I don't know.

(16:58):
I'm just saying that there wasa lot of talk about how much
he's going to be able to do, andwhat he's doing right now is, I
think, seeing a lot of what hesaw in his first term, which is
the establishment.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
the machine that is washington dc is very, very
difficult to make any headwayfrom, because either you're
going to get sued immediately,or you're going to be given bad
advice and told to do one thingwhen you ought to be doing
something else, or whatever likedude, take the w's 350 people

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arrested in the largest fraudring that we've ever caught,
like over 15 billion dollarstaken away from medicare,
medicaid, um, the uh, theofficials arrested in
pennsylvania over voter fraud.
Yeah, um, you know, therethere's some pretty good wins

(17:56):
here.
And we got to remember he'sbeen in there six months, like,
like this sort of stuff is goingto some of it's going to take
some time, um, you know, and I,I, I, just I, I see nothing but
wins and progress.
I mean, fuck he's, you've gotto watch it now because they're

(18:17):
uh, they're, you know, uh,denaturalizing people.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I gotta watch it.
Denaturalizing people, I mean Igotta watch it, I don't have to
watch shit.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, you sure you do .
You're a naturalized citizen.
Yeah so you could bedenaturalized.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, I can't Go back to Russia.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's not the word.
They have already denaturalizeda guy.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
They may have denaturalized a guy.
They probably should have donethat with a lot more guys.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
And they are.
They just put out a memo sayingthat that's what they're going
to do, and the guy theydenaturalized was a former UK
citizen who came over, served inthe US military and had a bunch
of kiddie porn, so they got ridof him.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
These are good things , dude.
I'm not saying, these are notgood things.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
These are just not the things that Trump was
talking about when he wasrunning.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Okay, he wasn't running on.
I'm going to reform Medicare.
I'm going to stamp out thecorruption.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's part of the way you cut the budget.
It's part of the way you get tothat doge number.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Except that the budget is going to be going up
in the big beautiful bill, whichis why Elon Musk is against it.
So let's not talk about thebudget getting cut, because it's
not.
There are savings, but thosesavings are gobbled up by
additional spending.
We're not going back to thedays of actual balanced budget.

(19:40):
I mean, say what you will, butuh, during george bush senior,
uh, the country actually livedwithin its means.
No, it didn't it did.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
No, it looked that up .

Speaker 1 (19:55):
The last time we had a balanced budget was clinton,
not george hw bush well, so thatwas after bush, correct, okay,
fine and that was newtgingrich's doing yeah, my point
is, trump's not even trying todo that I understand that okay,
so I guess the from the thingsthat I I was.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Here's the thing.
Trump's view on this is the CBOnumbers are wrong.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, I've heard that .

Speaker 2 (20:31):
And that this is going to create enough growth
that this will balance out.
Yeah, and he may very well beright.
There's a lot of really goodstuff in there that is very
pro-business.
So you've got to look at it.
You can't just say, oh well,the CBO says it's going to add

(20:51):
$2 trillion to the debt over 10years.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah.
Okay well a lot can change in10 years.
Well, I don't care about 10years.
What's it going to do in thenext year or two?
What's it going to do duringhis term?
Going to add to the debt?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
or subtract from the debt.
During the remainder of histerm it will be fairly neutral.
That's assuming no additionalgrowth from that.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, and how often do we do budget bills?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Every year.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Exactly so.
I don't like politicians oneither side.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
How do?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
they do, a continuing resolution for forever, but
having this tendency tobasically stretch shit out into
way past their term, call it awin, call it a savings, having
never need to actually live withit.
Caught a savings, having neverneed to actually live with it.
It's like, eh, you know,claiming 10 years worth of
savings because of something youdid right now in the vacuum.

(21:53):
Maybe you can justify it.
But, realistically speaking,focus on this year, focus on
next year.
Don't don't worry about whathappens 10 years from now.
We might be living in a, in acompletely communist country by
that point in time, where thespending will be completely
disconnected, uh, from taxgathering.

(22:15):
So I don't don't try and claima win of something that hasn't
yet happened, because there's achance it'll never happen.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That hasn't yet happened, because there's a
chance.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
It'll never happen.
Okay.
So I don't know.
I'm not super happy aboutwhat's going on right now,
because I feel like more couldbe done.
That's not being done, and whatwould you like to see?
Well, I would love for us tostart immediately saving money
by cutting off all funding toUkraine today.

(22:46):
Okay, that's a spending thatdoes not need to happen.
I'm totally good with that.
Okay, how about we do the exactsame thing for Israel?
Do it?
Cut off all funding?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yes, Don't need it.
Cut off all funding to anyforeign source.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
All funding for all foreign sources.
Talk about a savings that'lllast 10 years or longer.
I mean Jesus, anybody.
We start funding.
We just never stop funding.
I'll bet you we're stillsending money to Afghanistan,
even though we left the country,gave up hundreds of millions of
dollars worth of gear had.

(23:29):
China, come in and take overand we're probably still sending
money to some program or otherto Afghanistan.
Guarantee you that?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Okay Again, Gene, I agree with you.
Let's cut it all.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Why do you want to spend all this money, ben?
Quit spending money, ben.
Let's cut it all.
Why do you want to spend allthis money, ben?
Quit spending money, ben.
I'm kidding, obviously.
No, I'm just ventingfrustration at the fact that
it's been six months and whatI've seen is not a whole lot of
actual promises that Trump wastalking about happening and it

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could be.
I'm not even saying that it'snecessarily his fault.
I'm just saying he talked thebig game and there's no big game
happening.
The biggest win for Trumpthat's visible, I think, to
everybody is ICE and thecomplete turnaround and actually
doing their jobs.
After sitting on their handsfor the last four years, after
sitting on their hands for thelast four years, ice is finally

(24:23):
doing what they were designed todo, which is apprehend and
export people that are in thiscountry illegally.
But that's like the one winthat I see.
Everything else just kind oflike dribbling in.
Okay.
Well, I you got anything else inthe bill the, the two things I

(24:49):
care about.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Uh, or you know what's been removed, but
otherwise I, I don't see thislike I'm.
I'm normally the one this isfunny because I'm normally the
one um who like says I don'tcompromise right, I stand on

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principles and I, I don't like,from my principal standpoint, I
don't like the big beautifulbill, I don't like the way it's
being done.
But at the same time, evenright now, even if all we get
out of it is the removal of thetax on the suppressor and the
SBR, that's still a step forwardand would I have liked to have

(25:37):
gotten more?
Sure, but you know what?
At the same time, I'll take thefucking W and say thank you.
At the same time, I'll take thefucking w and say thank you
like.
We have to push the politiciansto do the right thing, but we
have to record reward them whenthey make incremental changes
that are positive for us,because if we don't, well, I I

(25:58):
can't ever do anything right foryou people is going to be the
attitude yeah, you're assumingthey care about doing things
that are right, which I I think.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
So I think we need to break the system.
This is where I'm on the sidewith the anarchists and you're
on the side with the.
Uh, you know, let's just I'mall for just burn it all down
yeah, I don't think that what I,what I've come to see clearly

(26:29):
as a result of what's happenedin this senate where we have a,
a mandate by the people in theelections.
We have the house, we have thesenate and we have the president
.
They're supposed to be allaligned.
What I'm seeing in the Senatemore than anywhere else,
obviously is that we don't havethe Senate, we have the ours,

(26:52):
but we don't have the people.
We just have the little lettersbehind their names that don't
actually mean jack shit.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Sure, again, I think we need to purge the Senate and
the house.
Yeah, greatly we, we need to.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I think like lindsey graham why the yeah, exactly,
exactly.
He should have been gone a longtime ago yeah, okay and when
his girlfriend retired.
Uh, mr mccain, it should havebeen the end of lindsey.
So, um, I mean, and nowcompletely out of left field,

(27:33):
supreme court actually acts.
Conservative for once, a littlebit yes well they they
effectively put a stop to all ofthese low level federal judges
being able to over over over.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Well they, they stopped.
What you're talking about isthe ruling that stopped a
nationwide injunctions.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, exactly.
So what's your take on that?
Um?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
so I think.
So what's your take on that?
So I think I'm a little bit ofa mix here, because there are
nationwide injunctions that welike.
There are nationwideinjunctions that we don't like.
So, for instance, the thepistol brace rule, national

(28:26):
injunction.
Um, I think when the issue isnationwide and one of the
plaintiffs is the government orthe president, I think there is
room for a lower court to havethe ability to do a nationwide

(28:49):
injunction.
However, it is not in theConstitution and basically what
the Supreme Court said was nope,lower courts don't have that
power.
They can only do an injunctionfor those who are uh, who are
plaintiffs and parties case.
Now what you'll see is you'regoing to see shift to uh class

(29:15):
actions and that adds a step.
It adds the step of having tocertify a class, but that's
certainly doable and I don'tknow how much it's really going
to change things.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Well, what it's going to have the net effect of doing
is exactly what the intent hereis for the current
administration, which is to nothave the courts get in the way
of nationwide policy.
So I think it'll have thateffect, but they still can if
they can certify a big enoughclass Gene.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's my point.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
But only for the class.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Correct Right.
But look at what the ACLU isalready starting to do with
Trump's executive order onbirthright citizenship.
And Trump's executive order onbirthright citizenship I think
is fantastic because I thinkit's very well written, I think
there's a lot of great legalopinions behind it and that's
what led to the Supreme Courtruling.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
But what his executive order does is say hey,
if your parents aren't at leasta permanent resident here and
have some status.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
You don't get citizenship, which I think is a
reasonable middle groundactually.
But what ACLU is already doingis they're going in and they're
saying any person born after theeffective date and you know
those persons who are not yethere, right there, they're
basically trying to representfetuses and or babies that
haven't even been conceived yet.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, thank God somebody who's trying to
represent fetuses, cause theydon't get much.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, it's going to be pretty interesting to see
what ends up happening, becausehow can you represent them?
Does that?
I mean that goes to is this, isthat a person right?
It goes to the abortionquestion almost immediately, and
if a conservative group wastrying to certify that same
class in an abortion case,people would be freaking out.

(31:21):
So so I don't know.
It will be very interesting tosee what happens, depending on
how the classes end up forming.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yep, I agree, but I also don't think a class is
going to be half the population,or certainly not the whole
population.
You know, at most you're goingto have maybe large groups of a
few million people as a class.
And I've been a bunch of theseclasses.
Um, I've never been, you know,the one guy being pushed forward

(31:52):
or whatever.
But I I probably, multipletimes a year, get notifications
of, like something where I'mgoing to get some money back
because of class action lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, it's not much, but it's it's routine, yeah well
, I don't know, man um I Ithought the reaction to katanji
brown jackson's dissent oh, yeah, that was hilarious, I agree.
I agree, that was pretty damnfunny mean, there's a lot of

(32:24):
people saying that AI wrote herdissent, mm-hmm, but the way she
wrote was just so terrible, man, like full stop.
Let me tell you Like, this isnot a, this is a justice on the
Supreme Court.
What?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Mm-hmm.
It's hard not to even, I think,for centrist liberal types it's
hard not to see the fact thatthe only reason she's on there
is because of the color of herskin.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Oh, I loved.
What was it?
The post-millennial KetanjiBrown, jackson's DE dei, is
showing you know, oh jesus yeah,yeah, it's um.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Uh, yeah, I'm not, and I mean, talking about going
against 200 years of of historyis one thing, but it's it's just
.
It's been pointed out that itappears like it was written by
AI, so you know.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
So you know what.
Are you going to finish thatsentence?
Or did you take a bite?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, I took a bite.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Well, try not to do it mid-sentence, because it's
pretty hard to fill in for youwhen you're taking a bite and
it's mid-sentence.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, get my point answered for me.
Damn it, dude.
No, I just I think that itshows the hopefully pinnacle of
ineptitude that we experiencedduring the biden administration
that would be nice, but I meanrealistically.

(34:14):
That's really a hope like Ihave.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
No, you know for those who don't know her dissent
no one signed on to.
No, not a single other justicesigned on to her dissent.
Yeah, the, the majority opinioncalled her out by name in the
opinion, which is like you're anidiot smackdown, um, and I

(34:38):
think that there's a lot of theway she wrote that that earns
that.
But again, I'm of two opinionson how much power I think that
actually should be there.
So at least I'm trying to behonest about that.
But uh, anyway, it was.
Uh, it was pretty shocking thatthey smacked her down the way
they did.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, publicly, not just in private, which probably
means they smacked her down inprivate as well.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh yes, and I guarantee you, even the liberal
justices are going to startostracizing her to an extent
because she's acting the way sheis.
Mm-hmm yeah so it'll be veryinteresting to see if uh, like,

(35:27):
I can't even see if there's ademocrat president elected, that
she's pushed to step down eventhough she's so young uh, has
that ever happened?

Speaker 1 (35:34):
have we ever had that historically?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
um, yeah we, we've had uh, we've had justices step
down early because they wantedso-and-so to.
I mean they don't say the exactreason, I guess.
I mean, I think the Democratshave learned their lesson, after
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you know,died in the seat, as it were.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, I think there's a possibility she died before
she was, oh, absolutely doneactually ruling on things, and
you gotta wonder who's doingthat on her behalf well, I mean
same person who's doing biden'sauto exactly.
We had obama both running thecountry and sitting in the
supreme court, because you know,he was a constitutional lawyer

(36:26):
constitutional lawyer so yeah,yeah, it's, uh, it's pretty
nutty out there.
I again, I I probably sound more, like you know, negative about
shit than I actually am.
It's's just, I think that the,the constant rah rah and seeing

(36:51):
only the bright future ahead,the starting also get old to me.
Like for a while it was theopposite that got old and that's
like, eh, sick and tired ofhearing all the horrible shit
that's going on.
But now it's kind of like we'vehad about a year of rah-rah
going on and I'm kind ofstarting to get tired of that.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Either one matches reality right, I think you're a
little off, it's okay okay, allright like again, trump has been
in office six months and wehave had some pretty good wins
and I just, I guess I don'tunderstand why we don't want to

(37:36):
take the win and say, hey, yeah,this is a good thing.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
I don't either.
I mean, I think that part of itcould be because people were
revved up to see much biggerwins.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Sure, but maybe that's a little naive, since we,
you know, we are fighting apretty ingrained deep state here
and it's going to take sometime.
I mean give it a second.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, yeah, I just keep.
I think back to Vivek and howit definitely surprised me I
think it surprised a lot ofpeople when he exited out of
Doge very quickly.
But I think now, looking back,that probably is yet another

(38:47):
example of him being extremelyintelligent, because he's likely
saw the writing on the wall andthe fact that, no matter how
you start a program that's meantto cut government spending,
you're never going to be able todo it.
It's not going to happen.
You're going to have a fewlittle bits and pieces here that
you can point to, butultimately government moves in

(39:10):
only one direction and it grows,it doesn't shrink.
And so if you get into, ifyou're in Doge, and your job is
to cut spending, to findinefficiencies, it sounds great.
But what you also have to thenrealize or maybe you shouldn't

(39:31):
realize, maybe you should notthink about this, even though
it's going to happen is that anymoney you find is going to
instantly be grabbed up by someother piece of pork of the
currently controlling party.
So there is no way.
It's kind of like the reasonthat I got out of InfoSec

(39:54):
originally.
I've talked about this before.
Why did I kind of move towardsbusiness consulting and away
from InfoSec.
It's because I was working withvery large clients and I just
started realizing more and morethat these things, these large
projects that take me six monthsto 12 months to execute, have

(40:14):
millions of dollars in budgetsand a lot of people working on
them that they are literallymeaningless.
There's not going to be oneiota of change with attitude
about security in thesecompanies.
All they're doing is checkingoff a checkbox that says, yeah,
we brought in some specialists,they're taking care of it.

(40:35):
That's all they want.
They don't want actual change.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
they want actual fixes they just want to be
pretty cynical view well, thisis why yeah, it's cynical.
This is why I left the industry,dude yeah, but like, I mean,
I'm working on some of these bigprojects for companies right
now and we're moving the needle,uh, significantly like

(41:02):
architectural changes, thingslike that.
Now, ot is a little differentbecause you, you have a box that
you can put it around, right,um, so I, I guess there's that,
but I, I, I just I don't.
I, I don't see that in cybersecurity at all.
I see us moving the needle well, give it a few years well, I've

(41:24):
been doing this for a few years.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Dude, it's not like I'm spring chicken, no, I know,
I know, but hey, one of thethings that changes as you get
older is your perspective on thesame things starts to change.
Uh-huh and um.
I did for me at least, and Iassume it does for everybody
else, you know, I guess Itechnically can't talk for
anybody else, but I willdefinitely say that things that

(41:51):
looked one way when I was in my30s they started looking
differently in my 40s and evenmore differently in my 50s.
And the only real difference, Ithink, think isn't that those
things changed, it's that myattitude changed as I got older.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Okay, so I don't know .
I don't know either well, I, Ithink that we, I I'm hopeful,
like I am still hopeful, so yeah, I guess, and I like, I like
hanging around you because youare, you're less depressing than

(42:37):
me so what do you think?
All right, next steps then.
What would bring some hope toyou, like what would need to
happen for you to go?
Okay, we got a big enough win.
I'm somewhat satisfied.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, I mean, it wouldn't hurt if Jesus came back
right.
But no, I think that what I'dlove to see is take some of
these things which I think aretotally achievable, like making
the Epstein files public andactually doing them and just

(43:17):
saying I know that a lot ofpeople will lose face and maybe
lose their jobs and maybe go toprison, but we have to do this
because we can't run a countrylike this.
But we have to do this becausewe can't run a country like this
.
Based on everything I've seenso far relating to Epstein I
think you and I have talkedabout it.
I don't know if we talked aboutit on the podcast or off but my
current best theory is that hewas actually working for the US

(43:42):
government and this is why wecan't do it.
If it was a foreign government,it's really easy to make that
shit public.
Even if we get a few senatorsand a few rich people, that'll
kind of be seen in a negativelight.
But what you can't have happenis say come out, have documents

(44:03):
that come out to say thatEpstein was running a government
sanctioned operations run bythe cia, nsa, you name it that
was authorized by multiplepresidents and reauthorized and
the goal of that program was toblackmail people I think you
absolutely could, and there'd bea great argument for why you

(44:24):
should dismantle the cia, whichtrump is pushing that pretty
good too yeah, but the problemis the cia isn't just operating
based on its own brain.
The cia is doing the work thatthe government wants to do but
doesn't have any other groups todo.

(44:47):
It it's the.
It's the guys that do the dirtywork, but it's not random dirty
work that somebody just wants.
It's dirty work that thepresident wants, or the senators
want, or the Congress wants ingeneral, so it is still driven
to those results by people thatwant them.

(45:08):
We still have a FISA court.
Why do we still have a FISAcourt?
Because the law hasn't beenchanged.
Yeah, exactly, which means thatthere is no interest in
changing that law by bothRepublicans and Democrats.
And likewise, I think that bothparties were happily signed on

(45:30):
to this idea that we've got aguy who's using sex with
youngsters and you know, wetalked about just how.
At what point, at what age dothey stop being youngsters?
But the point is doingsomething that probably most
americans would find at bestdistasteful and at worst

(45:52):
atrocious, and doing it for theus government, for reasons.
That's why you can't discloseit.
That's why I don't believeit'll ever come out, because I
think this is the most likelyscenario of what Epstein's whole
thing was.

(46:12):
This is why he got out of um.
You know his first conviction.
It wasn't because oh there,there's some rich dude that's.
You know.
The Israeli lobby called andtold the, the AG, to not do it.
No, because this was comingfrom much higher than that.
This was coming down from don'tfuck with a US government

(46:36):
program, and I don't think thatTrump or any of the people
working for him, that Trump orany of the people working for
him, I don't think any of themthink that American citizens are
ready to hear that this was allsanctioned, and I suspect that

(47:05):
you know.
When Musk said Trump is inthere, I don't think that what
people instantly thought of iswhat he meant.
I don't think it means he wentto Epstein's Island.
I think he was aware ofEpstein's program, having been a
president already, being a USgovernment program.
I think he was aware of thatOkay Well, but that's total

(47:28):
conspiracy theory.
I think he was aware of that?
Okay Well, but that's totalconspiracy theory.
I have nothing to back this up.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
But Trump.
You know Epstein, epstein got.
When did Epstein die?
What year was that?

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I would need to look that up.
I don't remember off the top ofmy head.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
And 2019.
Yep, so during Trump'spresidency?
Yep, okay, like he was arrestedunder Trump, wasn't he Not
under Obama?

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I think so yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, yeah, so, and charges were being brought.
So if that is true, I wouldeven say okay, but Trump made
moves to change that, so whywould that be a bad thing, even
if he knew about it?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I think it it's.
The problem is everything thathappened since then, like
immediately after he died.
Why wasn't the officialresponse from the trump
administration?
I was like, and here's all theshit he's been doing.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Well, first of all, he died right as they were going
.
You know, Trump was heading outof office.
He was worried about theelection and everything else, so
he didn't have time for that.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, yeah, you know when was he arrested.
Do you remember what year thatwas?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
You can Google it this time.
I Googled it last time You're.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Epstein elected.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I think it was 2019.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
What that he was arrested?
Mm-hmm, let's find out.
First one was in 2006.
It was July in 2019.
Yeah, so First one was in 2006,.
Seven one, it was July in 2019.
Yeah, yeah, so what are theodds?
Trump actually was uh toldabout what Epstein's day was

(49:40):
doing way before his arrest.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
But that whole program, don't know.
I mean this is this is theproblem with them not talking.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
It's totally speculation.
Speculation happens in thevacuum is when they don't
provide any information.
This is when people startspeculating.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, it's how conspiracy theories start.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Absolutely yeah, because you are effectively
speculating a theory about aconspiracy.
The conspiracy element is thatthey're hiding, think they have
a reason for not providingactual data.
Then what do you got left?

(50:39):
You got to start speculating.
And I always try to find themost, the most reasonable
logical explanation, where youknow, incompetence always beats
out, malice for sure, but inthis, in this one, like if this
was some foreign actor, someforeign country that had a guy

(51:02):
planted in the us that wastrying to, uh, blackmail a bunch
of rich people, us that wastrying to blackmail a bunch of
rich people.
That's the story.
I mean, it seems pretty obvious.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
But let's just take a step back and let me ask you
the question again, Gene whatwould have to happen to make you
happy and say, hey, we've got achance here and we're doing
some winning?

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Well, this is why I started down this line is I said
that it'd be great if weactually got some of the things
that Trump promised to doactually happened.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Right.
So, other than the Epstein list, what?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Ukraine.
Stop funding the war.
Okay, what else?
I mean?
You can't undo bombing Iran,it's a done deal.
Why are you so opposed to theactions he took against Iran?

(51:59):
Because he ran on the.
There were no conflicts.
There were no wars when I waspresident.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's like the guy, but how is this any different
than when he bombed syria?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
it's not that that was the same thing he didn't get
into a broader war, and thatwas the concern well, it's
always easy to justify somethingin retrospect that you did,
because you can point tosomething that it that's
positive, that you can associatethat led to I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But as long as this doesn't draw us in, and this is
all we do, this is a meh thing.
No, it's not the greatest thinghe's ever done, not what he
should have necessarily done,but yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Well, fair enough, but there are plenty of meh
things that seem to stick aroundfor many, many years, like the
uh, the American spy ship thatwas attacked by Israel 40 years
ago.
That still is making the rounds.
So I I'm just saying I thinkthat there's a there and this is

(53:06):
nothing new like we need thisfrom trump's first term.
He likes to talk big.
Everything's black and white.
Everything either is great andsuper or it's god-awful and
horrible, and that's the stuffthat we've seen him now
flip-flop twice on musk.
We've seen him do it initiallywhen musk said I don't like this
bill, musk talking aboutsomething that is a creation,

(53:29):
really, of politicians thepeople that trump is supposedly
there to drain out of the swamp.
And now he got agreement on abunch of things he wanted in
there.
So it's my big, beautiful billnow.
But the problem is, exactly asMusk said, things are never big

(53:51):
and beautiful.
They're either thin andbeautiful or they're big and
ugly.
So in this case we've got abill full of pork that is being
promoted as a great bill.
It's going to blow up thebudget even more than it already

(54:11):
has been and, um, is this whatTrump ran on?
No, not at all.
So I just want to see somethings that he ran on, and
that's that's why I I alreadybrought one up ICE.
I think that's the big successstory.
I think what's going on withICE is exactly what people voted

(54:34):
for.
It's exactly what Trumppromised.
Okay, I just want like a fewmore of those.
Okay, such as Well, I'd love tohave the Epstein files come out,
ben.
I would love to have the stoppaying for the war in Ukraine.
I don't know do I need torepeat them multiple times,

(54:56):
because I think I've said themmore than a couple here right,
but there has to be more thatyou would like to see happen.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
That's what I'm getting at abolish the ATF.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
That would be a great .
That would be a great one coolcutting a few jobs here and
there is better than nothing,for sure.
But the problem is, who do youthink is getting laid off the
ATF?
Is it the guys that really loveworking there and have been
there for a long time and enjoybeing ATF agents?

(55:26):
Or is it going to be the guysthat are either a year away from
retirement, they're going totake early retirement, get an
extra year for free of payment,and the guys that were just
hired a year ago, because that'sthe two groups that are
actually getting fired, laid off.
It's not the guys that you andI instantly think of when we say
ATF.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Well, okay, we will see.
Um speaking of some of thisthat you like, did you see the
detention center in florida?
That, uh?
That trump is sending some ofthese migrants too.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Nope didn't that it.
It's like alligator traz orwhatever oh, I heard about that,
so they're building a newfacility in the middle of the uh
okie pinocchio swamp there yeah, yeah, that's very escape proof

(56:25):
.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, that's like go ahead and try.
Yeah, offense needed it.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
It's uh, I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I don't see why there aren't more prisons on man-made
islands uh-huh like hawaiicould be one well you don't turn
paradise into a prison.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Paradise, please, what it's far from paradise.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
You don't think Hawaii's paradise?
No, no, why not?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I'm not a fan of Hawaii, really, no, no, I'll
take the Caribbean any day.
Much better water, better, morecivilized islands.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, well, I definitely enjoyed Cancun.
That was a lot of fun.
Man, definitely be going back.
I sure will.
Yep, there's a differencebetween a timeshare and a
vacation club, my friend.
Yeah, it's the difference ofsemantics, you're absolutely
right, oh, my friend.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, it's the difference of semantics.
You're absolutely right, oh mygod.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Okay, I'm in a bit of an argumentative mood.
In case you haven't heard, yousure are, I'll tell you later.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Pissy mood.
I've been dealing with a lot oflawyers.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I'm so sorry.
It's alright.
I mean we just gotta get onboard with Shakespeare.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Shakespeare, oh, to send them all to the no
Shakespeare in.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I think it was King Lear first.
Kill all the lawyers yeahwhat's the next topic you'd like
to cover, since this is?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
well I've I can do a quick review of the xreal uh
glasses okay so these are.
I don't like calling them 3dglasses because they're not made
for that, but we've talkedabout these before.
These are basically.
They look like ray-ban typesunglasses.

(58:30):
They have little tiny miniaturemonitors in them and you can
view a video on them or play acomputer game or, you know, plug
into your phone and watchyoutube videos, whatever.
Um, so they're.
They essentially plug intoanything with usbc and uh can

(58:51):
show video and audio.
And I've had this set for like.
I had a set of these for twoyears.
Um, I bought them originallyfor using on on airplane flights
so that I can watch a muchlarger format movie while I'm on
the airplane, and since thenI've actually used them quite a

(59:17):
bit for other things as wellaround the house.
The resolution's really good,they're 1080p.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
They.
It doesn't seem very good butdepending on the actual size.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Well, I mean, 1080p is decent enough for most things
, it's it.
It's not the high end of whatwe have available, for sure,
yeah, but if you're looking at aexcel spreadsheet, it's pretty
good.
Uh, even watching most youtubevideos, you're not going to
notice any difference.
In fact.
Fact, if you watch a YouTubevideo on anything other than the

(59:51):
computer, you're probablywatching a 1080p version of it.
Okay, so you know, compare thisto just using a phone or a
tablet, not versus computer.
So they're pretty good for that.
One of the biggest negatives ofthese, since they're not 3D

(01:00:12):
glasses, is that the image thatyou see, it moves along with
your head.
So you could say that's good,because no matter where you put
your head or how you turn yourhead or whatever, you're still
seeing the full screen.
But for some people it's alittle disoriented to where your

(01:00:32):
head moves, but the imagedoesn't.
You got mixed signals from youreyes and your inner ear, and
then for other people, it's justthe idea that if, if you're um,
uh, if you're moving your head,it might be because you're
trying to look at or readsomething not on the glasses,

(01:00:53):
and so they.
They just came out with a newmodel and I, of course, I had to
test this and the new model.
There's actually two glasses inthe new series, and it's the
X-real one and the xreal one proand how much are they though?

(01:01:15):
uh, so the the pair that I hadfor two years is 299, which is
why they're not, like you know,competing against gaming 3d
stuff, which is way moreexpensive.
Um, these are 4.99 and 5.99,the, the pro versus the non-pro,
so 500 bucks basically okay.

(01:01:38):
What they added, though, ispretty damn significant
ridiculous what just seemspretty expensive well, I mean,
what they do is pretty unique.
I mean you're, you're the onlyother way you're going to get.
This is like with a three and ahalf thousand dollar Apple
glasses, okay, or, you know,maybe like the the VR glasses

(01:02:03):
from when they come, but thoseare, all you know, safe from the
about the same price point,from about 600 bucks up to
thousands, depending on how higha resolution you want.
Um, and they're not practicalfor battery related reasons.
So these these are the mainreason I got my original set was
because they just plug intoyour phone.

(01:02:24):
There's no separate battery.
It just plugs into your phone.
There's no separate battery.
It just plugs into the phone.
Use your phone's battery and itonly drops your battery life by
about 20%.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Well, that's significant.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yes, but it's pretty damn good, and you can charge
the phone while you're watchingit if you wanted to, so you
could not drop anything at allif you're stationary like an
airplane.
So, anyway, what does the newset do that the old one doesn't?
Well, the new set is it has a.

(01:03:02):
What do you call those things?
The thing that measuresmovement?
What do you call those things,the thing that measures movement
?
Damn, I'm blanking out the namefor that thing.
You know what I'm talking about, right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
That measures movement.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, accelerometer.
Okay, so it's got anaccelerometer, a very, very
precise one, and so one of thenew modes that the glasses have
is a stationary image mode, towhere, if you move your head,
your image stays floating overthe same exact spot, but you're

(01:03:41):
just going to sort of move faceaway from the image if you keep
turning your head.
You know it lets you view aportion of the image if you want
to just kind of not see thewhole thing by moving your head
down or up or sideways orwhatever.
Um, so that's a really coolfeature it by stabilizing and

(01:04:03):
having that not move.
I think it also makes it alittle easier to use this for
reading than the previousgeneration, which always just
moved with your head, which youwould think would actually be
good because you know there's noneed for your eyeballs to move
if the image isn't movingrelative to your head, to your

(01:04:28):
head.
But again, there's a certaindisconnect between what your
eyes are showing you and betweenwhat your inner ear is sensing.
That makes it actually harder.
So with these glasses I foundthat it's actually more
comfortable to read things onscreen because your head is
rarely ever perfectly stationary.
You've got little micromovements that your head's doing
all the time.
This is true for everybody,everybody.

(01:04:48):
Just kind of pay attention andyou'll see what I mean um you're
.
You're constantly movingconstantly yeah people, people
don't realize it, but you'renever really sitting still right
, like it's actually difficultto try and keep your head from
moving completely, so that newmode is very useful.
They also added a uh side viewmode, which kind of takes and

(01:05:11):
squeezes the image into theupper corner of the screen.
So you could be, as an example,you could be sitting there
watching a documentary or a lovestory movie with your
significant other and catching afootball game in the corner of
your eye and so that's useful.

(01:05:33):
Um, or maybe looking at yourcomputer screen, you know, while
in the corner, while stillseeing everything in front of
you.
Perfectly fine, the the otherthing that comes along with
having that ability having theaccelerometer in there is they
now have what's called awidescreen mode, which gives you

(01:05:56):
a 4K width by normal 1080pheight screen a virtual screen,
if you will.
That requires you to slightlyturn your head left or right to
be able to intake the wholething, and that mode can be used
for watching widescreen moviesmore the way that you would in a

(01:06:22):
real theater, to where you'rejust slightly turning your head.
At home and on most TVs, youcan see the entire screen
without moving your head orwithout moving your eyeballs.
In a movie theater, andcertainly the closer you sit,
the more this becomes a thingyou start to have to move your

(01:06:47):
head around to look at thedifferent parts of the screen.
So with that in mind, theseglasses create a virtual way for
you to do that so effectively,creating a screen that is wider
than the size of the glass isable to display.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Right, and then you can track over it but how often?
How much?
How often are you using these?
Because I imagine them sittingon your face and being right
there would be pretty tiring toyour eyes they're very light
again.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
This is a difference why these versus like
traditional gaming vr goggles.
These literally weigh.
They probably weigh the weightof two pairs of sunglasses.
They're really not tiring.
They're very comfy.
I had them on for a five-hourflight on the way there and

(01:07:40):
another five-hour flight on theway back just two weeks ago.
So you know perfectly fine forthat and that certainly drained
my phone battery, but it didn'tkill my phone battery watching
but through the glasses for fivehours the other problem there
that I see is there's.
Also, since you only have theone usbc port, there's no way to

(01:08:02):
charge your battery either well, no, that's true, and that's
why most people just buy anadapter right away that lets you
.
You know, it basically givesyou a one plug out of the phone
with two usbcs, one for chargingand one for the glasses.
Yeah, so you, you candefinitely do that.

(01:08:23):
Uh, and I have the adapter, butI didn't actually use it
because I think my battery justdropped to like 45 and so I
still had plenty left to go pickup the rental car and stuff
wasn't concerned about it.
Um, again, I don't want tominimize and say it doesn't
lower your battery.
It certainly does.
It's just not drasticallylowering your battery.

(01:08:46):
And you don't have to plug themin the phone.
You can like.
If I plug them into the laptop,it essentially creates a second
virtual screen.
Right, it's a display it's adisplay and it, um, because of
this, like in the previousversion, it wouldn't be super
useful because that screen isjust always there, right?

(01:09:07):
So you'd have to kind of belooking under the glasses to
view the main laptop screen.
With this new version and beingable to lock in the virtual
screen to just sort of float ina certain spot, and then, um,
you know, I mean, it's um, it'sa very, I think, evolutionary

(01:09:36):
handy thing to have.
Price really should be closerto $299 that the current last
generation is selling at.
But I think they're super handyfor what they do.
And then the last thing theythey can do is they can do 3d,
full-on 3d as well, um, by amethod that a lot of both video

(01:09:58):
games and videos use, which isdoing two, so left frame and
right frame of a stereo movie,each one being 1080p, which is
essentially creating one wide 4kwide by 1080p image, with, you

(01:10:19):
know, the split down the middle.
So they can act that way towhere, essentially, each eye
only gets that one particularside of that wide frame, which
allows you to use them for 3dstuff again being much smaller,
lighter, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Than full-on vr glasses well, and you know the
the way tvs.
I don't know if you rememberall the tvs that had 3d modes,
yeah, but they were.
Basically it would cut yourframe rate down right because
basically they were shifting inthe polarization.
They're just blinking on theglasses right which is what
which.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
This is much better because they're.
It doesn't change the framerate, that stays the same.
It's just basically taking awider image and cutting it in
half down the middle, with eacheye getting half the image.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
What do you think about the?
Uh new democrat uh well hold onbefore we jump to that before
we jump to that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
So I still have my old glasses.
I've got the two sets of thenew ones, the pro and the
non-pro.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I'm actually returning the pro give me one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I'm returning the pro because I, I, uh, I I tested it
.
The pro gives you a wider angleof view so you can see more,
but I think it's actually less.
It's worse for reading text.
So I'm keeping the non-proversion of them, but I still
have my old one.
So I'm gonna be getting rid ofthat, probably on ebay, unless

(01:11:47):
somebody wants to ping me andlet me know they're interested
and I'll, I'll sell it for 200bucks, and for 200 bucks this is
a a steal for something that'sprobably been used about 10
times, mostly on the airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
See, that shows how useful it is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Well, it's not for poor people, Ben.
No, I'm saying your use of itfor only 10 times, right, so
it's got to be somebody that,for whom using it on an airplane
10 times is worth 200 bucks,yeah, so, and I mean, look, if
you're playing video games, youcan certainly use it as well.
I, I did that, but I didn't doit a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Which, by the way, thank you for sending me a video
game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Oh yeah, I sent you another.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
I think this is the fifth or sixth one I bought for
you now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah, you've gotten me a few video games now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
And and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I haven't even accepted it yet.
No, god damn it, hurry up.
And I haven't even accepted ityet.
No, god damn it hurry up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Well, I mean, you know, it's an old Far Cry game,
man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Mm-hmm, it's the good Far Cry game, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Okay.
I don't know why it has to bethe good one.
What's wrong with all theothers?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
It's the one that all the music's from that I like to
play.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I know, I'm aware.
That's why it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Other people may not be.
So this was Far Cry 5, which isthe one that takes place up in
Idaho, where Ben used to live,on the area of the countries
where they you know, they don'tlike the federal government, and
I was very apprehensive whatthis game was going to be like.

(01:13:36):
And when it came out and Iplayed it, I was like holy shit.
I don't think they realizedwhat they just did, because they
, effectively, they created agame where the main villain is
actually the anti-hero.
Okay, and um, you know, youslowly start to both realize the

(01:14:01):
good and the bad of the peoplethat you're supposed to be with.
So that's, that's one thing.
But probably the biggest aspectof that game was the music.
Since it takes place in the U?
S was all American and thesongs were just absolutely

(01:14:23):
beautiful.
You know, I, I'm, I'm verytempted to just play some of
that music, because our audienceis so damn small that I don't
think anyone really cares if we,you give darren so much sharing
plays like 50 hours of stonemusic a week and he the end to a

(01:14:44):
much bigger audience and hedoesn't give a shit.
I've I've resisted doing anycommercial music to an audience
of like five people.
Oh, come on, we're bigger thanall right, seven people.
So it's a.
It has absolutely awesome music.

(01:15:05):
It's country music.
There's some in there, but it'sall sort of kind of tongue in
cheek.
It all depends on whatperspective you have.
If you're a liberal loony, it'sall total racist Nazi music.
If you're an actual intelligentperson and you voted for Trump,
it's actually really good music.

(01:15:30):
And if you got a little bit ofthat kind of um, you know in
time just coming kind of thinggoing on.
Yeah, rebellious, but alsoprepper.
Um, that's definitely going tobe jesus christ ben.
When you first play the game,within the first 10 minutes, one
of your missions is to go intoan old prepper's cabin and then

(01:15:52):
rate it and see what's availablefor you to grab.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Okay, by the way, I'm trying to accept it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Steam is being weird.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Yeah, you may need to update Steam, but anyway, it's
a good game and I gave it to benbecause it's on sale right now.
There's a whole bunch of gameson sale right now, including a
whole bunch of space games, andI posted that on x?
Um.
But there's also non-spacegames that are on sale, and when
I talk about steam sales, it'snot because it's like 20 off.
It's usually like a 50 to 70off kind of sales they're on

(01:16:27):
right now.
So if anyone's looking for anyolder games, not something that
just came out this month, now'sa good time for the 4th of July
sale on Steam.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Well, I'll have to figure out why it's not letting
me accept the gift.
But there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Okay, well, figure it out, because well worth it.
And I believe just byinstalling the game you also get
all the MP3s downloaded legallyto your computer, for all the
music as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Well, I have Google Music, so I have them legally
already.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Are they on Google Music?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Yeah, they're on YouTube Music.
They probably are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Yeah, that's true, they would be.
So yeah, there you go.
Happy July 4th.
Where's my damn gift?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I don't know.
I just assumed this was mybirthday gift.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
And I've got a box for you.
Yeah, I got a box for you too.
I got a bunch of shit for youfrom years of not seeing you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
now it hasn't been years, it's been like decades
almost.
Oh, my god, it has been lessthan a year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
It'd been well.
It'd been well for but one ofthese days.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
One of these days, we'll have a meetup well, we
ought to uh have one soon, yeah,for sure maybe one in austin,
or we could find an austinmeetup and crash.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
We could do that.
I should find out.
I think I'm off that listbecause I haven't seen notice
for an Austin one for a while.
I used to get emails for that,but I may have not participated
enough to have been dropped offthe list.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yeah, who needs him?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
So I don't know.
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
We shall see.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Seriously, where do I go to accept this?
This is not so.
Uh, I had to look this up forsomebody else last time.
Hang on, let me google that foryou.
How do I accept a?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
by the way, the picture of you on Steam is
disturbing.
Why?
Because it's just not the geneI know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I know that's true.
I have not updated that imagein probably almost 20 years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, so what do you think of the new NYC Democrat
nominee for mayor?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Oh, yeah, yeah, the socialist communist, whatever
Muslim guy, Yep, I mean, he's awalking meme.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
In what way?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
He's a socialist Muslim guy.
Mayor of New York.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
That's a meme right there.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
It's like who do you put in charge for a city that
has had 40% of its businessesleave?
I know A guy who wants to makeyour grocery stores be run by
the state.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yeah, by the city.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Well, I think he is definitely right there with the
um.
It's one of those things whenwe talk about let it burn, yep,
it almost, almost, almost mightwork that we just let you know
he gets elected and let ithappen happen and I hate to see

(01:20:13):
it because, you know, my niecelives there, but that's where
she get out now it's her choicedid you see where he was
literally talking?
He was literally talking abouttaxing white neighborhoods at a
different rate for propertytaxes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Well, sure, why not?

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Why not Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Because it's not.
I mean, this is not a goodthing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Totally legal in Sharia.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Sure, but not in the US.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Equal protection and everything else, but Sharia kind
of replaces that once it comesin the us equal protection and
everything else but sharia kindof replaces that once it comes
in.
Okay, I mean in I.
There's a video I posted on xday from the uk where there's a
guy that walks into mcdonald'stelling him that they have 48
hours to either shut down orstart selling halal pork or not

(01:21:07):
pork, halal meat.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I didn't think there was any halal pork there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
But halal meat is what I meant to say, and I'm not
opposed to McDonald's havinghalal meat either, but the
alternative is always threat ofviolence.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Right or what?

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Or they're going to shut it down.
They're going to shut therestaurant down.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
But how are they going to shut it down?
Probably by putting a bombinside of it or something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Yeah, you know, in a way that'll be very expensive to
reopen.
So now you could say, oh, it'sjust one dude.
You know, you can't, you can'tthink.
What one crazy dude does I mean?
Look at that guy that just shotup the fireman.
He was clearly a mega guy,right, right I mean, I wouldn't

(01:22:04):
think so, but no okay I dondon't think he is, but that's
what you're seeing in the mediais like MAGA guy kills firemen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
And if you look at the picture of this guy I would
not.
Maga's not the first thing thatcomes to mind.
I think angst-ridden youthcomes to mind first.
Parents are MAGA, which alsomeans hates his parents wants to
lash out against them.
So this one doesn't appear tobe trans, which is I'm not

(01:22:39):
saying he's not.
He may be, but the last batchhave all been trans or you know,
self-identifying is non-normalanyway and um so I guess we'll
find out as time goes on.
But yeah, it does appear thathis parents were conservative.
But immediately to the media,that means maga running around

(01:23:01):
killing firemen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Okay, so back to New York.
Do we let it all burn, or do?
We hope that Cuomo or somebodycan beat him in the actual
general no, no, no, you've gotto let it all burn.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Dude, People don't learn their lessons unless it
burns.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Well, if you're in New York City, get out now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Sell your house while it's still got some value.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
There's a I think there's some lessons to be
learned about letting things getto a point where they have to
burn, and those lessons don'tend well for the people that
stay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
You know, I mean, look at my wife so, speaking of
history and so on, have you,have you uh, watched any of the
fat electricians videos?
Oh my god, dude, I have beenbinging them really like on some
meaning they're really good.
You know he tells a history, abrief history story of you know

(01:24:22):
one tank commander or sub guy orwhatever, um, all uS history
from Revolution and forward,even some on the French and
Indian Wars.
Most of it's stuff I know, butin a lot of details that I
didn't know, and told in ahumorous way that I find

(01:24:44):
extraordinarily entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Interesting, okay, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
I will have to check that out.
Yeah, you, you should he's.
He's pretty funny, um like,I've been watching the
unsubscribed podcast more lately, so I know which one's that the
unsubscribed podcast who's onthere?
The unsubscribed podcast.
Who's?

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
on there, brandon herrera.
Oh right, the fat electriciandonut operator right right,
right, right.
The uh, the only one I don'tlike in there is a donut
operator I don't really like himeither.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
No, like he, just he.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
He just screams and looks like a dick cop and he has
that attitude yeah, I mean, Idon't know what he ended up
doing after he quit being a cop.
I think he was only a cop forlike three years.
But either way I've talkedabout this a billion times that
you know, cops aren't made,they're born.
Uh, you, you have a certainpersonality type and it's very

(01:25:46):
similar to the criminalpersonality type, but just
slightly off.
And those are the people thatgo to Police Academy.
They're just a legalized gang.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I think there's somethingabout him.
Even before I really knew anyof his backstory, I kind of felt

(01:26:08):
like there's something offabout him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Mm-hmm, well, just saying, the Fat Electrician
funny, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
You ought to watch a couple of his.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
What have you been sending?

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
me.
You sent me some stuff, nothingthat we need to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Why do you send me stuff to look?

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
at while we're recording them.
Well, the one of them, the mrguns and gear post about the
shootout and I think that's inel paso how about the uh, the
one with the chick holding a cat?
Oh, that's funny.
That's funny.
She got up there to save hercat and then when she gets
jumped down, it's just humanstupidity.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Cats are okay with jumping themselves right, right,
but there's a video I she getshung up on the uh, on the uh
cabinet, uh door handle and isthen hanging there by herself
okay, that that's bad, yeah, um,there's a video I watched,
which was damn funny, of like alike a big hamster wheel, like

(01:27:11):
cat size hamster wheel somebodyhas, and the cat's sitting in a
non-moving hamster wheel andlooking at the owner and going
meow, meow and, uh, looking verylike come and help me, and of
course you know.
And the chick comes over andstarts spinning the wheel and
the cat starts trotting alongand making you know, happy

(01:27:36):
sounds as he's trotting on thewheel and then after a couple of
minutes the woman gets tired ofspinning the wheel and so she
stops and the wheel obviously Imean the cat's still kind of
running, but not putting a wholelot of effort into it and the
wheel slows down and stops andthe cat looks at the woman and

(01:27:57):
goes meow, meow, meow.
You know, like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
you know, I, I think, uh, I think that you were going
somewhere with this and I thinkyou lost.
I know I still.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
I remember I was just watching, watching your dumb
video here, no and.
And so you would think that'sthe end of it, right?
You would think it's like well,okay, so cat is just, it can't
do the wheel thing by itself,it's gotta have a human it yeah,
it's wait, then the the videoswitches over to their uh like
indoor baby cam at night.

(01:28:40):
So it's dark, right?
So you're seeing uh infraredcameras to black and white.
This fucking cat jumps into thiswheel and starts doing like 60
miles an hour in the middle ofthe night, just like going crazy
wait till that starts squeakinglike full speed gallop now, the

(01:29:02):
point of the video being notthat, oh, this, this, this cat
is so reliant on this human,isn't that cute point of the
video is the fucking asshole catthat is perfectly capable of
using this wheel by itself, asit does at night when the humans
are sleeping, but when thehumans are around, it's like
meow, meow.

(01:29:23):
Help me, I can't do this.
You all know the type ofpersonality that is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
And what type of personality is that?
Well, it's the type ofpersonality that is.
What type of personality isthat?

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Well, it's that personality that, basically,
will just take advantage ofanything that they can take
advantage of, even thoughthey're fully capable of doing
it themselves.
We all know somebody like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Who.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
I don't know, you probably know different people
than me.
My point is everybody hassomebody in their life like that
.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Uh-huh, probably no different people than me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
My point is everybody has somebody in their life like
that, somebody that's alwaysready to get help, that's always
waiting with a handout, and youknow if there's nobody around?
Somehow, magically, they allmanaged to get shit done.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
That was a funny story if you say so well, maybe
you have to see the video I Ireposted it on x it was pretty
funny uh, so now I have to gofind.
Uh, you don't have to find itbut no, look, my cat videos on x
are limited to about 10 a day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
It's not that hard to find but you're most russian
man of the world oh yeah, yousaw that one yes, uh, but you
don't drink enough vodka.
So you know, I don't, I fail Ifail.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
As the most russian man these days, I don't drink.
I don't really do squat sitting.
Um, I mean, I do weartracksuits but uh, you do, I
don't smoke.
Um, I mean, I do weartracksuits but, uh, you do, I
don't smoke.
So but the guy that's crankingout those videos is on freaking
fire right now because I think Ialmost said yeah, I, I saw the

(01:31:01):
most canadian man and yeah, Ialmost sent it to a guy I know
in quebec.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
But oh, you should, you should you totally should.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Yeah, it is very, very, it's what's the word.
It makes fun of Canadians a lot.
I mean it makes fun ofeverybody, Like the most Jewish.
Jewish man was pretty funny too.
Every stereotype you can throwin there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Yeah, I'm waiting to see the most Texan man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Oh yeah.
Well, you know there's going tobe some bestiality involved in
that one.
Why you know what's from texasno we're here, baby, we're here.
This is not a complimentaryvideo series.
This is like an insult videoseries.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Yes, I understand people enjoy watching.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Don't be expecting him to be all like pro texan and
shit if he does one Iunderstand I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, so you know it's funny because I think
twitter's listening to usbecause, as I, as we're having
this conversation, there'sliterally a picture uh, that's a
fake poll.
It says what's more gay, beinggay, or uh, and I, when I first
read this, I thought it saidtexas, but it says taxes so at
least, there's that yeah anywayman I don't know.

(01:32:20):
I think the this mayor is.
I mean, he's literallyproposing some shame shit that
south africa is doing the whitefarmers type stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But do you really feel thatsorry for the New Yorkers?
A little bit I feel sorry forthe South Africans.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
I do too.
I hope some of them come overhere.
It'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Alright, so, since you don't really want to talk
about that topic and we bounceda bit, what, uh?
What do you want to?
What do you want to go to next?

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
I?
I brought up like three of mytopics what, what else?
What did you want to talk thatI don't want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
well, there were just a couple things I was you know
bringing up and trying to talkabout that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
We kind of I wasn't shooting them down.
I was just saying let me finishmy main topic that I'm talking
about here.
That's all, but we'll go back.
We go back no, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
What do you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
I'm I'm trying to finish my damn lunch.
Dude, you, you talk.
How are you still trying tofinish your?
Damn I'm trying to do like onebite every five minutes.
That's how I still have foodleft.
It's Vietnamese.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Is it at least good food.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
No, it's Vietnamese vermicelli with like it's
leftover it's from yesterdaywith like shrimp and chicken and
beef and all kinds of mix ofstuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
So why isn't it good?

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
It's carbs, mostly carbs.
It tastes good.
I mean, it's not good.
It'd be better if I was eatingbeef jerky, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Okay, well, so what's your take on all major
corporations having not done thePride Month thing this year?
That's pretty good, that's awin.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Yeah, I think it's a win.
There's a lesbian chick that Ifollow on X who I like, so I
can't remember Her's jamie,something or other, but she's
the, the founder of uh gazeagainst groomers groomers yeah

(01:34:43):
that one and um, she was.
She's saying that you know it'sthe best pride Month ever
because everyone's ignoring it.
Much like being againstgroomers, she's also against
public indecency and all theshit shows that Pride Month had
turned into.
I think that there's acompanies, partly due to the

(01:35:13):
overwhelming support in theelection of Trump, but I think
companies generally tend to runwith like their finger in the
air to measure which way thewind's blowing, and this year,
versus the previous couple ofyears, they've measured the wind
blowing the opposite direction,and so a lot of businesses that

(01:35:36):
kind of took for granted thatwe're going to spend money on
pride month.
We got to get those gayconsumers in, you know, because
they all love pride months.
Uh, I think they're starting torealize that you know we're not
getting any return for thisinvestment and we may actually
be hurting ourselves kind oflike.
Target did with their whole.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
I am surprised more companies haven't been sued over
fiduciary responsibility quitefrankly, that's a tough lawsuit
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Man it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Yes, I generally Bud Light should have been sued Like
that was egregious.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they can always say thatyou know, this was a one percent
of our marketing budgets.
This was specifically targetinga demographic that we always
historically spend one percentof our money on.
Like they could have done athing to minimize what they did

(01:36:33):
consciously, and just say, look,it got blown out of proportion
because it went viral.
And viral is always good.
It doesn't matter if you'regood or bad.
Viral ends up bringing morepeople to watch your ad.
So we actually saw a hugeuptick in our advertising that
year without having a largeuptick in spend.
Now, it wasn't necessarilycomplimentary, but in the end,

(01:36:55):
what people are going toremember isn't the specifics of
the ads.
What they're going to rememberis the brand, and they could
probably demonstrate now, withthe sales of their beer being
totally back to normal, that itwas all a bunch of nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
I don't think their beer sales have recovered.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Really I thought they did I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Anyway, I'm just glad we're out of that and now into
MAGA month.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Well, July is White, American or White People Month,
I think White People's HistoryMonth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Yeah, according to what's his name, the black guy.
Yeah, you sent me the video.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
He's hilarious, he really is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Who is that Jesse?

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Jesse Waters.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Jesse Waters is on Fox News.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Oh, different Jesse.
Yeah, jesse, waters is on foxnews.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Oh, different, jesse.
Yeah, I don't know.
I didn't have signal open onthis computer at the time, so I
can't see it jesse something orother but, yeah, he's uh, you've
seen him, everybody's seen him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
I mean, if you're listening to us you probably
have seen him.
He's kind of talks a littlehick, a Little backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Yeah, he's from Mississippi.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Yeah, he's from like somewhere down there, but he's
had a show forever and I'vewatched this show forever and he
has guests on.
He has white people, people,black people, all kinds of
people.
But his general premise is thatblack people are way
overvaluing their contributionson every front and they need a

(01:38:46):
little more humble.
And white people need to stopacting like they're doing
something wrong and actually ownall the goodness that you've
got.
So black people quite often, Ithink as well.
Certainly some black peoplewould describe him as a
self-hating black man or anuncle tom, but he's actually

(01:39:10):
uncle jesse yeah, which is whathe would be called by most of
the black community yeah, buthe's uh, honestly, I think he's
more representative of the blackdemographic, demographic of
guys in their 60s and 70s whoactually remember that we got to

(01:39:33):
a point where color didn'tmatter.
Remember that we, you know, wewere more concerned about the
difference between men and womenthan we were between black men
and white men.
We were there, and then itstarted rolling back downhill in
the 90s I think it's gonnareturn.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
There's gonna be a return to tribalism, yeah, like
it just has to, and I I thinkstuff like the new york mayor
will just expedite that well, Ican't argue that and I think
that you know, just like I thinkthere's going to be a big
backlash against feminism, um,that is building and is coming,

(01:40:16):
and you know there's one of twoways that goes.
So, as society collapses andthere are fewer and fewer jobs,
men are going to get themajority of the jobs, because
men work harder, do more things.
You know, there's there thethere is no pay gap, um, in
effort.
There's pay gap in capability,um, so men are going to get the

(01:40:38):
jobs, women are not.
Women are now gonna not be ableto be that boss bitch and be
able to be independent, and thenthey're gonna have to find a
man with a job for survival.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
And you know, we that that that's the even they're
not gonna have to wear redclothes and that's the only
non-violent path that this takes, but with the number of men
under 30 that are virginsincreasing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
When we look at, you know, women, women not seeing
value in men anymore at all andmen not getting sex except a few
, a few of the top very goodlooking guys, right, because of

(01:41:23):
the app culture and everythingelse, that could end up in a
very violent revolution veryquickly.
Yeah, and then yes, you couldend up in a very violent
revolution very quickly, yeah,and then, yes, you could end up
with the red dresses andeverything else.
Harrison Bergeron what do youmean, harrison to Bergeron?

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Well, Harrison Bergeron, the story from Kurt
Vonnegut.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Yeah, when you know, whatever abilities you have, you
have to cover up, and ifthey're not just cover-up-able,
you actually have to beartificially disabled.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
I see I was doing more Handmaid's Tale, but oh
yeah, Backlash.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
Yeah, yeah yeah.
No, I get the backlash part,but I think that there's a.
But I think that there's a.
The bit that still exists,although with lower testosterone
.
I'm not sure that it exists inas great a difference as it used
to between men and women is inphysical ability and in

(01:42:26):
decision-making ability.
These are both affected byhormones and for jobs that
require either one of those twothings.
Men are going to be way morequalified than women are.
Not say that there isn't goingto be that one woman out of a

(01:42:47):
you know, 10, 000 or whateverthat is more qualified than a
lot of men, not to say thatthere's going to be that guy who
is less qualified.
That Right.
But I'm saying on the aggregateon the aggregate certain things
are better and easier for menand certain other things are
better and easier for him.
Like, I don't like the trend inhaving a bunch of guys as

(01:43:12):
flight attendants I like thatwhen we had stewardesses.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Well, I, I, yeah, it's there and they're rude, you
know because they're guys yeahyeah, exactly, exactly yeah,
screw that.
Oh, by the way, when we wereleaving the iah there was a jet
there that was painted in thecontinental colors, all right,

(01:43:43):
like it had a continental paintjob and it's.
It's a new enough jet thatthere's no way that that's
original pain so continental didget bought by somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
This is a while united.
No, no, no, um wait, do youmean continental or eastern?
Continental and united mergedyeah, yeah, oh, you mean, you
saw a jet that was like the oldcanada jets.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Yes, oh, okay, okay, okay I'll send you a picture,
but it was like what the hell?
It caught my eye, so I don'tknow if they're doing something
special or what like.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
I don't know no, I, I was thinking of not eastern
either.
It's what?
What's the old airline companythat used to be like the biggest
one?
Uh, what are they called?
Shit.
You know what I'm talking about.
And it's not eastern, it's nottwa.

(01:44:44):
They don't exist anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Um like here there you go, take a look let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
Oh, you got a picture of it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, see, it's got the old continental
airlines paint job like reallyretro yeah, I don't know what
United's doing with that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
I thought that was weird, huh um, I don't know what
United's doing with that.
I thought that was weird, huh,um.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Hmm, anyway, yeah, all right, gene.
Well, I think we've coveredpretty much everything important
in the world.
Oh, except for one thing we gota big donation Ah yeah to a
PayPal thing we got a bigdonation, ah yeah, to a PayPal
account where I will never seeit.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
To a PayPal account.
You'll see it someday maybe.
If we ever meet up.
Uh-huh, but um no, I told youto remind me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Well, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
And you failed.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
You're now reminded Of what you need to talk about
the big donation, this is thelargest single donation we've
gotten.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
I think it actually is.
Yeah, who gave it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Who gave the donation ?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
You were the one who got the donation.
God damn it.
Okay, hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
I have to log into my .

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
PayPal.
You're the one who got thedonation to you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
I did, I did and I had to you, I did, I did and I
had to ask.
I had to clarify what the hellis this for, because I wasn't
sure what he was sending money.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
It's uh, sir, howitzer, howitzer that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Good, good you found it.
Yeah so, mr howitzer, thank youappreciate that.
Um, he did mention, when Iasked, that it was specifically
for this podcast, not my own onebecause he has donated to the
other one before.
Cool.
So yeah, I think it is thebiggest.

(01:46:37):
It's $100 donation in one chunk, as it were, and certainly
there are people that havedonated over $100 to us, but
they're doing it on a monthlybasis for many months and we
appreciate those guys as well.
I mean, that helps to cover allthe costs of actually hosting a
podcast.
And in fact, I just got acredit card uh, expired notice

(01:47:00):
uh, from buzzsprout.
I need to go update my creditcard.
But um, yeah, uh, thank you,sir, and uh, you know how to get
a hold of us.
And also I'll point out thatyou sent the money to the wrong
PayPal, because the PayPalthat's actually listed in the
podcast goes to a differentPayPal where I would have known

(01:47:21):
it was coming for this podcast.
But nonetheless, money isappreciated.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Yes, and the other thing I would say is I did a
donation to Nudge in 1776, andAdam read the note and I
reminded everyone to listen tojust Two Little Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Two Little Boys.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Two Good Old Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
I thought you said and Adam said to listen to Two
Little Boys, that would havebeen a great donate.
Yeah, that would have beenWrong name, damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Hey, I need to make good.
Hey, I need to make good I needto make good, exactly no the
1776 show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
They had a pretty decent showing, but uh 1777, not
so much well, that's, that'snormal typical yeah anytime
there's a show that generates alot of donations uh, this has
been true since they started theshow.
Right after that, usually verylittle, and I think that's
because everyone that's beenkind of semi thinking about

(01:48:22):
doing it, that that that's thetrigger.
Is some round number orwhatever it triggers people.
Oh yeah, yeah, I should do thatright now and then obviously,
they're not going to do it everyevery show at all yeah, well,
whatever we uh did or said, sirhoward, sir that made you donate
to us, let us know so I'm sureit was something funny yeah, uh,

(01:48:44):
probably me falling asleep well, it could have been.
That's true.
That's true, all right guys.
Uh, thanks for listening.
We'll catch you on the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Later.

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