Breakfast Cereal Won't Save You From This Political Mess

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Howdy, Ben.
How are you today?

SPEAKER_05 (00:02):
I'm doing better than I deserve, Gene.
Better than I deserve.

SPEAKER_01 (00:05):
Fair enough.
What's shaking in your world?

SPEAKER_05 (00:09):
Uh well, you know, went all the way to Houston
today and back for a meeting.
Other than that.
Wow.
Yeah.
Quite the drive for a couplehour meeting, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (00:22):
Anyway, it's all good.

SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
Yeah.
Were you the only person at thismeeting?

SPEAKER_05 (00:27):
Only person for my company, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
Okay.
Yeah, sure.
Well.

SPEAKER_05 (00:34):
My boss is on his way to Dubai.

SPEAKER_01 (00:38):
Nice.

SPEAKER_05 (00:39):
So the cat's away.

SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
But I think it'd be better the other way around.
If you went to this meeting andyou went to Dubai, it'd be more
fun anyway.

SPEAKER_05 (00:50):
Well, I'm it looks like I'm going to get to spend
more time in Guam than Ioriginally anticipated.
Nice.
I don't know about that.
I don't know that I want to staylike two weeks at a time in Guam
for multiple trips.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
But oh, it's I think you'll enjoy it.
Have you ever been?
No.
So then why do you think I'llenjoy it?
I've seen friends' photos.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
Yeah.
I mean, there's no reason to goto Guam unless you work for the
government.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22):
Well, and you know, we're we're working for the
government of Guam on a coupleof projects.
And we do a lot of stuff for themilitary there as well.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
There's should be good snorkeling there or scuba.
I don't know if you're a scubaguy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37):
I haven't in a long, long time, but it might be a
place if I'm gonna be there longenough to redo a refresher
course and do a littleexploration of the underwaters
down there.
So can we anyway?
Anything else you want to coverabout how's your mojo?

(01:58):
Freshly rebooted Windows 11.
Freshly rebooted.

SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (02:03):
So I I'm betting you haven't seen the news yet.

SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Uh no, probably.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10):
Comey just got indicted an hour ago.

SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Nice.
Yeah, buddy.
That's very good.
You know, I'm a big retributionguy.
I I uh I believe an eye for aneye, so that would make total
sense.

SPEAKER_05 (02:23):
Yeah, and the the the uh the statute of
limitations was gonna be up insix months.
So it kind of got leaked that hewas gonna be in.

SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
For what charge was the statute just four years?
Perjury.
Perjury is just five years?
You're kidding me?

SPEAKER_05 (02:40):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (02:40):
Well, I have to do that.

SPEAKER_05 (02:41):
He is invited on perjury by a federal grand duty.
Uh uh.

SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
So lying to who?

SPEAKER_05 (02:49):
Presumably Congress.

SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Oh, does that count even?

SPEAKER_05 (02:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (02:53):
That's surprising.
So I think a lot of people thathave appeared before Congress
should be guilty then.
But clearly, if it's only fiveyears, they're never gonna get
charged.

SPEAKER_05 (03:06):
Yeah, so Comey testified that he did not
authorize someone at the FBI tobe an anonymous source.
The department says according tothe indictment, that statement
is false.

SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 (03:18):
Let's have a trial and keep the faith.
My heart is broken for theJustice Department, but I have a
great confidence in the federaljudicial system, and I am not
concerned, Comey added.

SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Now, he's a lawyer, right?
Yes.
I think he should be concerned.

SPEAKER_05 (03:38):
I think he should be concerned as well.

SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like that lucrative lobbying gighe's got right now is probably
gonna be done.

SPEAKER_05 (03:48):
Yeah, let the arrests start, is all I can say.

SPEAKER_01 (03:52):
Yeah.
And I I I'm telling you, dude,we need a government works
project to start buildingcenters up in Alaska for
people's betterment.
I'm gonna be filling them up.

SPEAKER_05 (04:05):
Well, the left isn't slowing down.

SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
That's why we're gonna be filling them up.

SPEAKER_05 (04:09):
Yeah, the shooter in Dallas, dude.
You know, at first I thought,okay, here's the rights
retribution, you know, becausethey killed they killed some
detainees at the ice facility.

SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
Yeah, because apparently shots.

SPEAKER_05 (04:23):
Well, apparently, it's a mini Kirk assassin
copycat, right?
Because he wrote on the bulletsand did stuff like that, you
know.

SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
So they're all gonna write on the bullets at this
point.

SPEAKER_05 (04:36):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's gonna be a thing.

SPEAKER_01 (04:40):
Although technically, we should be
pedantic.
I am eating pizza, sorry aboutthat.
Um I'm just had one slice left,sorry about that.
So we should be pedantic andpoint out that they're not
actually writing on bullets,they're writing on the casings,
yes.
Casings, yeah.

(05:00):
So and then some of them in justcrappy old regular ballpoint
pone.

SPEAKER_05 (05:05):
Yeah, Sharpie.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Or sharpie, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (05:09):
Yeah.
No, but uh the the ice shooter,you know, left notes saying he
wanted to terrorize ice, wantedthem to be afraid of working.

SPEAKER_01 (05:22):
Well, I am pretty sure there are people that are
very afraid of working for iceright now, but that fifty
thousand dollar starting bonussure is looking good.

SPEAKER_05 (05:31):
Is that what it's up to now?

SPEAKER_01 (05:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (05:34):
Damn.
That's like a bonus for me.

SPEAKER_01 (05:40):
$50,000 starting bonus and a six-figure salary.

SPEAKER_05 (05:44):
Well, I mean, depending on how high in the six
figures, okay.
But it's probably not.

SPEAKER_01 (05:48):
No, no, no, no.
So this is for the guys on thestreet.
This is not office jobs.
This is literally for guys thatare driving around in those
trucks in poorly fittinguniforms.

SPEAKER_06 (06:00):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (06:01):
So my guess is they bumped everybody because you
can't be hiring people for morethan the guys that have been
there for years.

SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:08):
I mean, you can, but that won't last long.
So yeah, I think ICE is having abit of a resurgence, and I'm uh
I'm kind of happy about that.

SPEAKER_05 (06:17):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, this is the thirdact of terror we've had,
domestic terror that we've hadin three days or three weeks,
and or well, just two weeks,actually.
And it's all been leftist.
It's all been leftist.

SPEAKER_01 (06:34):
Well, you know, 90% of all violence is left
violence.

SPEAKER_05 (06:38):
Well, again, it depends on how you count it.
And some of these studiessaying, oh no, no, it's the
conservatives.
Until you look at themethodology.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
I'm looking at the uh party that the criminals vote
for before they were criminals,and I can easily say it's 90%
left.
Sure.
I I gotcha.
Not to mention who's been payingfor uh Antifa people to get out
of jail.

SPEAKER_05 (07:03):
Oh, indeed.

SPEAKER_01 (07:04):
Indeed.

SPEAKER_05 (07:06):
But anyway, so who do you think's gonna be the next
uh indictment?

SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
Well, I heard something about Nancy Pelosi
that there's now been either anindictment of her husband or
some something was floated aboutthere being indisputable proof
of her having classifieddocuments at home and her

(07:34):
husband meeting with somebodythat is Chinese national.
So I'm waiting for that shoe tofall.
But I mean, look, she's gonna bedead probably in a few years,
she's old.
Not not through any other meansother than just being old.

(07:58):
So I'm not sure putting her inprison is gonna be even an
option.
But it would send a nice messageto the slightly younger
generation of the lefties to saythat nobody's beyond reproach if
she does end up in prison.
Yeah.
Even somebody that fucked JohnF.

(08:19):
Kennedy.

SPEAKER_05 (08:22):
Oh she's if she didn't, she certainly wanted to,
man.
And that picture is uhundeniable.
Dude, that picture is all theproof I need.

SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
I know exactly what happened there.
I mean, she was she was pretty.
She was pretty.
She was pretty.
She was.
She she was she wasn't fat, shewasn't skinny, she was just
right.
Mm-hmm.
Now the only question is was she17 or 18 in that photo?

SPEAKER_05 (08:49):
Yeah, I mean, if you're JFK, does it really
matter?

SPEAKER_01 (08:53):
No, not at all.
I think Marilyn Monroe was like18, so yeah.
Yeah.
Hell, how old was Jackie?
I think Jackie was 17 when theygot married.
I'm sure it was pretty commonback then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it was the career move fora teenage woman.

(09:14):
Still is.
Hook yourself a well-paid man.
So did you see you probablydidn't, because I I just
retweeted it and you don'tfollow my ex posts anyway.
Well, there's so many.
It's hard.
Not more than one a minute.

SPEAKER_05 (09:32):
And this was a video.
Are we really not gonna have alittle bit more Schadenfreude
over Colmy getting it?
No, we writed.

SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
We can, we can, but let me just point this out
because connected.
So the video of a what seems tobe a just post-college age
female mentioned about howhorrible everything is, and
especially MAGA, and complainingabout not being able to take uh
Tylenol when she's pregnant,which I'm pretty sure it would

(10:03):
be an abortion anyway, but youknow, she she she's mad that
there's now findings that saythat Tylenol is bad for
children.
Yeah, it it's linked to autism,it's literally linked to all
kinds of diseases.

SPEAKER_05 (10:18):
And you look I stopped thinking in 2017, yeah,
Tylenol posted on social mediawhen responding to a pregnant
woman saying, Hey, I just tookthis, it really helped me.
They say, Thanks, but we don'trecommend anyone who's pregnant
or nursing take our products,any of our products.

SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
Well, it's been a shit product for a long time.
I haven't taken Tylenol inprobably 30 years because I
remember back then doing someresearch and realizing that this
thing literally is bad forkidneys, liver, everything.
Yeah, for the the organs thatyou're gonna need for the rest
of your life.

SPEAKER_05 (10:57):
Yeah, and yet people get put on low-dose Tylenol all
the time.

SPEAKER_01 (11:03):
Even high dose Tylenol, they get put on.
Yeah, I don't understand whatthe hell's wrong with aspirin.
I've been taking aspirin myentire life.
It has always worked, it's beenaround 160 years.
It's one of the most it'snaturally occurring, frankly.
I mean, that's how we discoveredit in plants.
Why the hell?
Like birch bark, why the hellwould would anyone switch off of

(11:27):
something that works perfectlyfine to something that doesn't?
I don't get it.
Uh-oh.
Do you take aspirin or do youtake Tylenol?

SPEAKER_05 (11:40):
I take aspirin.
Or Advil.
I take a leave most if I takeanything, but I just just don't
take anything.

SPEAKER_01 (11:48):
Yeah, that's a better approach.
Or just take aspirin.
The only real risk of aspirin isfor hemophiliacs, which you
know, nobody listening to thisshow is.
So I don't think it's a riskything.
We don't provide medical advice.
So anyway, this woman.
Yeah.

(12:09):
What happened?
So she's complaining about that.
And then she said, Yeah, ifyou're gonna take away, you
know, my my reproductive rights,you're gonna take away my
ability to take drugs.
Uh you got all these magaranges,why don't you just take away my
right to work?
Because I don't need to work,I'm sick and tired of working.

(12:30):
If this was women's suffrage,then I don't want it.
I thought it was hilarious.
They're finally.
A hundred years later, they'refinally arriving, over a hundred
years.
On the big lie, as I call it.
The big lie of feminism, the biglie of women's suffrage and the

(12:51):
fact that women should be equalto men because they're not.
Never have been.
Well, we can pretend they are.
It says in the Bible, women arenot equal to men.

SPEAKER_05 (13:03):
Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands.

SPEAKER_01 (13:06):
Not to mention that you know, when you create a
person out of just a single rib,that person's gonna be more
likely to talk to the devil.

SPEAKER_05 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So a funny associated story toyours is Tim Poole was sharing a
story today of a woman whooverdosed on Tylenol because she
didn't want Trump and like thisis the TBS level she was.

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She was pregnant, overdosed onTylenol, and she is now in liver
failure and likely to die, andthey're trying to save the baby,
but the baby may die as well.
And so the husband is sittingthere left, you know, his wife
having just basically committedsuicide.

SPEAKER_01 (13:54):
Right, right.
Because she was too stupid.

SPEAKER_05 (13:56):
Yeah, I hope so too.

SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
But I hope the stupidity is not genetic.

SPEAKER_05 (14:06):
Well, or hopefully they got it from the father.
You know, the more genes fromthe father.

SPEAKER_01 (14:14):
Yeah, that's wild, man.
I don't understand this type ofprotest.

SPEAKER_05 (14:21):
I don't either.
I mean, it's like the challenge.

SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
Right?
We're gonna tell you somethingthat you shouldn't do because
it's been a lie.
Like the food pyramid.
You should stop eating grainsand cereals for breakfast.
Don't get all those emptycalories that'll just turn you
fat and into a diabetic.
And I say this.
Gene is speaking fromexperience.
I'm getting speaking fromexperience here to eat cereal in

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the morning.
Anyway, well, we got and yourresponse to that news is well,
fuck them.
I'm gonna double down and eatmore cereal and grains.
I'm gonna cut out all proteinand all fats out of my diet and
just do 100% protein, just tospite them.
Yeah, it's an insane response.

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These people are self-diagnosingas mentally retarded.

SPEAKER_05 (15:14):
You know what I made for dinner the other night?
Hopefully, not carbs.
Well, there were some carbs inthere, but it was braised beef
short ribs with plenty ofveggies and then a dark gravy,
right?
And a risotto to serve it over.

SPEAKER_01 (15:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (15:32):
It was quite tasty and very, very fatty.
Lots of fat and protein.

SPEAKER_01 (15:37):
I think it'd be pretty good without the risotto.

SPEAKER_05 (15:39):
Well, but the risotto is so good.

SPEAKER_01 (15:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (15:43):
Like you just put a little bit of risotto in the
bottom of your bowl, and thenyou put a lot of meat and sauce
on the top, and it's delicious.
Yeah, I guess.
I mean, a short rib is about asfatty of a piece of meat as you
can get.
It is good, yeah.
And when you cook them longenough and everything, and all
that dissolves, it's just ohyeah, use it just to spread on

(16:07):
your toast.

SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
So I made a uh variant on an omelet this
morning.
And not even omelets, reallyscrambled eggs, I guess.
I didn't really scrape them allthat much.
But I tried something different,and I did this before, I just
forgot about it.
So I sliced mozzarella cheesethin and I covered the pan with

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mozzarella cheese slices.
Then I warmed it up to about 210degrees and let it just get the
cheese to start melting.
I mean, you could have done thiswith shredded cheese, I just
didn't have any, so I used thinslices.
And then just as the cheese isstarting to kind of bubble from

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the heat, then I poured the uheggs over it.
And then while the eggs arestill kind of wet, and they they
you know they cool down thecheese so it's not burning.
And then while that's still kindof cool, I uh chopped up some uh
really thin sliced ham and uhinto like little half-inch

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squares and and then spreadthose on top.
And then put a little bit offeta cheese crumbles in there
and let it sit until the the topof the eggs were starting to
firm up, but still a littlesoft, and then folded the omelet
and then just let it rest forabout three minutes.

(17:38):
And holy shit, was it delicious?
It was as basically like acalzone made out of egg.
Sounds good because the cheeseon the outside got nice and you
know, brown and crispy, likecheese often does on pizza,
except there was no carbs, itwas just fat and protein.

unknown (18:00):
Sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
It was tasty, I'm telling you.
And didn't even need to use saltbecause the uh the ham's already
salty, right?
Not really a recipe, more ofjust a style of preparation, but
it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 (18:14):
Did you see what President Trump said uh about
Illen Omar and the oval today?
I didn't see what he said today.

SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
I know he does not like her.

SPEAKER_05 (18:25):
Well, he said to reporters because they asked him
about her, and he said, Youknow, I met the head of Somalia.
Did you know, did you know that?
I suggested maybe he'd like totake her back.

SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Yeah, no, they wouldn't.
They wouldn't, though.
No, no, they wouldn't.
You know why?

SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
It's just funny, it's so fucked up.

SPEAKER_01 (18:44):
The guy's a comedian.
I I love that about Trump.
He is hilarious, and it driveshim nuts.
You know why they wouldn't takeher back, right?
Why?
Like kidding aside.
Because she was a kid in afamily that were high-up ruling
class administrators for thesocialist government in Somalia.

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So they lived very nicely whilethe rest of the country was
starving.
So their family literally had tolike they are genuine political
refugees because they hadescaped from a revolution
against them.

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I mean, it's not like not likeher dad ran the country, but he
basically was a high-up, youknow, administrator where he was
working with the guy that wasthe dictator of the country, and
it was a socialist government,you know, in the Soviet style,
and so the the family escaped.
And the and the problem I havewith this whole thing is is that

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America has been too taking ontoo damn many people of the
wrong political persuasion.
I don't care what your race is,but if you're applying for
asylum status, I absolutely wantto base it on your politics.
Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_05 (20:07):
No, I think you're absolutely right.
Also, in other news of the worldis healing.
Alex Jones is back on uhYouTube.

SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Oh my god, holy shit.
Wow.
Okay, I'm gonna have to startwatching there again.
Because he's been on X nowforever.
Right.
I'm kinda used to seeing him onthere.
He got a new channel.
Wow.
That's great.
I mean, you know, YouTube'sgonna be making more money off
of him now, of course, but I'mglad things are starting to

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normalize.
And I I don't want tonecessarily promote this book,
but there's a book thatpredicted all this.
What book is that?
It's called Pendulum.
It was written by my friend RoyWilliams.

SPEAKER_05 (21:00):
Yeah, we've talked about it on the show.

SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
We have.
And for the last probably eightyears.
So I met Roy originally about 15years ago.
Maybe, maybe 14, 14 years.
It's it was literally the thefirst month I moved to Austin.
And I met him meaning for like ahey Roy, uh, say hi to Gene.

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Hey.
And that was about it, right?
That was the extent of themeeting.
But in since that time, I'vegotten to know him really well.
I I've taken a ton of classesfrom him, probably spent, you
know, I I don't know, fivefigures of money on their
classes, and then donated moneyto the school.

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And one of the books that he'swritten, he's written a number
of New York Times best-sellingbooks, even though New York
Times is bullshit.
But one of these books isPendulum.
And in that book, they he goesthrough and details an 80-year
cycle that occurs with regularintervals that much like the
four turnings.

(22:06):
Yeah, it's it's very similar tothe four turnings, exactly.
But it's not really based inthat book because they look at
more of yeah, more of yeah, itin and the four turnings, yeah,
that came out of a book thatreally only looked at four
generations, and then sort ofsaid, Well, if we can
extrapolate this, this could berepetitive.

(22:28):
This book, uh Roy's book, goesback, I think over a thousand
years.
Actually, if you want to stretchit, it goes all the way back to
Christ.
But realistically, they coverall of America and then go back
to Europe and look at the thetimelines for major events in

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Europe.
But the most recent ones, theylook at periods of strife, like
the peak periods of strife inAmerica, which would be the the
Civil War.

SPEAKER_05 (23:03):
Revolution, Civil War, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
So revolution, Civil War One, World War II, World War
II all fall at the same place onthe 80-year cycle.

SPEAKER_05 (23:14):
Yep.
And we're there now.

SPEAKER_01 (23:16):
That was and that that point was 2023.
Yeah.
So 2023 was the extreme swing ofthe pendulum towards the
direction they call it we or me,but really it's you know
communism or individualism.
Collectivism, right?

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Collectivism, yes.
Yeah, it's uh yeah, not socommunist, it's not political,
it's it's the identity.
So collectivism on the veryextreme peaked in 2023, and the
pendulum is starting to swingback, which is something they
predicted, and I couldn't waitfor it to fucking happen because
I knew that this would be a verybad time to live through.
Yeah, and certainly when we hitCOVID, I was like, oh boy, I

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don't know if this is gonna endor not.
Because the takeover ofindividual rights just went on
full bore.

SPEAKER_05 (24:08):
I think it's not over because you know, while we
may be swinging back, the leftis fighting it, and that's why
they're shooting people.
Like that's why they killedCharlie Kirk.
Exactly.
Charlie Kirk was a movement forthat swing back, yeah.
He was an effective tool for it,and that's why they killed him.
Absolutely, not because he's themost extreme of us, not because

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he was the one that was sayinghorrible radical things, but
because he was effective.
Exactly right.

SPEAKER_01 (24:37):
And yeah, I think they they had over 400 uh
campus.

SPEAKER_05 (24:42):
Oh, yeah, they're adding like crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Yeah, they're adding like crazy right now.

SPEAKER_05 (24:45):
So by the way, Alex Jones posted, I was just looking
at his Twitter feed, he postedthis morning eight hours ago, so
I guess noon, or you know,whenever.
He said investigation has proventhat Epstein was a CIA slash
Massad asset, resulting insubsequent cover-ups.
Plus, here's what he here's theinteresting part, plus James

(25:08):
Comey, Loretta, Letitia James,and others to be indicted in the
next four days.
And Comey is so yeah, get themall Leticia.

SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
Yeah, get them all, get them all caught in the
dragnet there.
But as far as Epstein, I thinkthat's been my most enduring
theory with no no, you know,proof because I don't expect
them to give us any.
But it's the fact that he workedfor American intelligence.
Now, did he work for Americanintelligence and Israeli

(25:43):
intelligence?
Maybe, but the it was clear fromwhat I've heard from between
Israeli and Americanintelligence.
Yeah, Israeli intelligence spiesAmerican intelligence.
American intelligence does notspy in Israeli intelligence.
That's the main difference.
Okay, I don't know about that.
Well, you should.

(26:05):
So the the idea is that heclearly was because remember, I
I even postulated this back whenuh we thought they were going to
release the papers.
I said, I don't think it'slikely, I don't think we'll ever
see those papers again.
You remember that, right?
Yeah, and the rationale beingthat if you think about why
would you not release them, likewhat is the most obvious Occam's

(26:28):
race or explanation for notreleasing papers about somebody
who was doing all these thingsthat you you're calling
otherwise horrible.
It's because by releasing thatinformation, you implicate
somebody you don't want toimplicate.
And the theory is well, it'sgotta be all the the you know
the shadow government people,all the big it's the Jews.

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It's well, that's anothertheory, right?
Because the Jews run the world,therefore it's the Jews that are
because Jews killed CharlieKirk, the biggest supporter of
Israel out there, the Jews didall these things.
It's the Jews, and uh, by theway, today I watched the full
episode of the interview withwith the the the Mexican uh

(27:12):
goddamn, what's his name?
Nick Fuentes Fuentes, yeah,yeah.
Fuentes watched the fullinterview with him that Patrick
but David did, and it was veryinteresting.
I now understand why he doesn'tlike Jews, and that is why.

SPEAKER_05 (27:30):
But before we get off, I don't want to I don't
want to get off the sexual stuffbecause I got a funny story to
say.
Okay, all right.
So the Daily Mail has come outand said that Charlie Kirk's
shooter was a cuck.
Quote Charlie Kirk's suspecttrans lover had a flirty
relationship with other men.

SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (27:52):
Apparently, not only was he just a thwat, he was a
cuck to thwat.

SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
Like, is that really more weird than the fact that
they were furries?
Fucking a furry trans?

SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
No, but it's just the whole furry transmerate
bullshit is just beyond me.

SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
Can we not reopen the asylums, please?
No, we need to.

SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
If you're a furry trans cock, you need to be in an
asylum.

SPEAKER_01 (28:17):
You're and this is a kid that grew up with his dad as
a sheriff in a conservativeChristian family.

SPEAKER_05 (28:23):
Like, dude, seriously, there's like I get
it.
You're gay.
Fine.
I don't want to put all gaypeople in a not all of them are
furry furry trans.

SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
Furry trans cocks.

SPEAKER_05 (28:34):
And the funny thing here is it's like that you have
I'm sorry, any man, yeah, and Imay offend some people here, but
we all know I don't give a fuck.
That's true.
Any man who will allow his womanto cuck hold him, destiny, yeah,
is not one, not a man, and two,a psychological deviant because

(29:00):
that is so antithetical to thecore of a man's being.

SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
Yeah.
And I don't think it's uh tiedat all geographically.
It doesn't matter if you picksomebody from the middle of
Africa or middle of SouthAmerica or China or America.
Men are average men are gonnahave all the same reaction.
It's that you don't share pussy.

SPEAKER_05 (29:23):
It used to be legal for a man who walked in on his
wife screwing someone else tokill them, and it would be
declared a crime of passion andnot be prosecuted.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:37):
So well, we do have men that have always shared
pussy though, but more as abusiness kind of a expense, you
know, thing.
Pimps.
Well, or most pimps do sleepwith the hose.

SPEAKER_05 (29:51):
They just don't systems and stuff like that.
But if it's your wife who is orsignificant other that you're
Like yeah, you can have a fuckbuddy sort of relationship that
you don't care who she sleepswith, but that's not your one.

SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
It reminds me of one time when I was on podcast and
we're talking about differentsexual practices and stuff.
And the the question came upabout like, so if you're
swinging and you know youaccidentally like lick the other
guy's dick, are you gay?
How do you accidentally do that?

(30:28):
Well, because you're 69ing yourwife, and then another dude like
gets in there, I guess.
No, have you never been to aswinging party?
Anyway, I refuse to answer thatquestion.
I know you're refused.

SPEAKER_05 (30:40):
Anyway, uh and also you know, you can do separate
rooms, you can do lots ofdifferent things.
There is no excuse for evertouching.

SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
My point is, look, I don't care if you're doing it,
okay?
You want to be by, be bye, butdon't call yourself straight if
you're sucking another guy'sdick accidentally if you trip
and fall on the guy's dick.

SPEAKER_02 (31:01):
I do it, Gene.

SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
Oh my god.
So it's like just what it justtruth in advertising.
Just call yourself bi if you'renot gay.
That's fine.
But this this other dude thatwas on there, you know, it was
one of those like sex podcasts Iwas on a guest on or whatever.
And when the other guy, whatpodcast was the this was

(31:25):
probably this was post-COVID,but not by much, but maybe four
years ago.
And the the other dude keptinsisting that well, no, no,
it's not, and he lived inDallas, and and I know that
scene in Dallas, because youknow, I used to live in Dallas,
and I'm like, dude, first ofall, the rules are very clearly

(31:50):
spelled out, they no one's gonnaaccidentally trip and fall, you
know, and put their dick in yourmouth, and so no one's doing
anything they don't want to doin that environment.
You talk about a group of peoplethat are extra precautious in
terms of getting everyone'sokay.
And so what you're telling me isyou want to suck cock, and and

(32:11):
you also don't want to callyourself gay.
Well, fine, don't call yourselfgay, but you can't call yourself
straight.
You eliminated that, and youknow, he he didn't appreciate
that, and the host startedgetting all politically correct
on me and everything.
I'm like, look, I'm just callingit as I see it.
I'm not judging.
I I don't care what people do,that's the libertarian kind of

(32:33):
part of me, but I will notaccept wrong definitions for
anything.
A man is not a woman, and a guywith a penis in his mouth is not
straight.
Agreed.
Yeah.
And I just had a bigconversation, a big, I'm not

(32:55):
gonna call it an argument, but adiscussion with a gamer who
happens to be like the numberone rated gamer in this
particular game I'm playing acouple days ago, when he kept
calling the NPCs AIs.
I'm like, well, where were yougetting this information that
these are AIs?
Because they're NPCs, they'renon-player characters, but

(33:18):
unless they have an AI engineactually driving their movement
and they're able to learn frombehaviors, they're not AI,
they're just NPCs.
It's like, well, no, they'recalled AIs, everyone's calling
them.
I was like, I don't give a shitwhat everyone calls them.
There's a ton of people usingthe wrong words for all kinds of
things.
So, anyway, that was a fundiscussion.

(33:42):
You you know, you understand whyI don't ever go on Reddit.

SPEAKER_05 (33:46):
Oh, Reddit's the cesspool.

SPEAKER_01 (33:51):
Cesspool where everyone is convinced they know
better of whatever the topic is.

SPEAKER_05 (33:56):
Yeah.
So Trump is authorizing, he'swanting Bondi and everyone to
prioritize political violence.

SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
Good.
Good.
Now maybe we can get somefacilities built up north.
We can certainly see.
I I have an extremely lowopinion of Bondi.
I think she's a useless twat.
I think Bondi's about to getfired.
I hope she gets fired becauseshe was a bad pick.
Literally, everybody told Trumpshe was a bad pick, and he

(34:27):
picked her anyway, because hehas a thing for blondes.
And that was a weakness onTrump's part that I don't like.
Is he he gets into this mode oflike grinning ear to ear and not
at all seeing anything bad abouta woman?
Like, dude, you know what?

(34:48):
Sometimes you get lucky, likewith Kaylee McNanny, the
bandcamp girl there, butsometimes you don't.
And you can't just hire everyblonde chick that you meet.
That's a pathway to not a goodplace.
It depends on what you're hiringthem for.

(35:09):
Well, clearly when he hiredBondi to be his lawyer, he was
hiring with his dick, not hisbrain.

unknown (35:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:17):
And then to just double down, he hires his lawyer
as the country's lawyer.
Where he had much betterchoices.
So I di this is the part ofTrump I dislike.
It's the not listening to peoplethat you should trust, like

(35:37):
Robert Barnes, and just doingshit because you like blondes.
Or you like chicks in general.

SPEAKER_05 (35:48):
Well, I think he likes girls in general.

SPEAKER_01 (35:50):
He's the most uh pro-women president ever, and he
says Obama had nothing in him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (35:55):
Actually, I think that's demonstrably true,
actually.
It is.
I know.

SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
That's what I'm saying.
It's his administration's allchicks.
Well, I'm not even just talkingabout that.

SPEAKER_05 (36:05):
I'm talking about just what he's done for women in
general.

SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
Yeah.
Like running the whole MissUniverse.
So like, how else would a prettygirl from Iowa get a
scholarship?
Jesus Christ.
And that was in the before theystarted putting the trends in.
Now men are winning everything.

(36:30):
What was it?
Miss Thailand won and she was adude.
Oh god.
Or something.
It was one of the, or maybe itwas Japan, but it was a dude.
You know, like dudes are winningeverything, including women's
beauty contests.

SPEAKER_05 (36:44):
I literally had a woman tell me that she's
anti-trans because it's astandard of beauty she shouldn't
have to compete with the phraseas well.

SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
That's the only reason that they don't like
trans, is because trans chickput effort in.

SPEAKER_05 (37:06):
Well, and not just that, but just the body fat
percentage and everything else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's way easy for a man to bethin.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
Probably, you know, probably didn't like the
competition, is my guess.
But uh, it's a stupid reasonbecause men aren't women to
begin with.

SPEAKER_05 (37:28):
So there's no straight men don't want trans
women.

SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
And yeah, and uh like why are we even calling
them trans women?
They're they're just dudes whoare feminine.
Femme dudes.
There you go.
Femme dudes, that's a betterterm for 'em.
I think the term is femme boy.
What if they're old?
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (37:54):
I don't know of many older ones, but you know, hey,
what do I know?

SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
I'm sure they're there.
I'm sure they are, but it's likewhen's the first time that you
saw a trans dude in your life?
And that in real life, notnecessarily, anywhere.
Images in real life or internet?
Internet's fine.

SPEAKER_05 (38:20):
90s.

SPEAKER_01 (38:21):
In the 90s, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (38:23):
Late 90s, like 90s.
And you were 1999, 12 to 13.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Yeah, I'm trying to think back.
I I know it was in an Italiancomedy I watched.

SPEAKER_05 (38:34):
No, so for me, it was so I got exposed to a lot
early on because you gottaremember I when I was on the
internet as a kid, yeah, therewas no filtering, and pop-ups
were a real thing.
And you you would go to aninnocent site and all of a
sudden get shit tons of pop-upsfor all this porn shit, and like

(38:58):
uh everything from likebestiality through trans stuff,
all that would like pop up.
And anyway, so I saw a lot ofshit that I shouldn't have as a
child.

SPEAKER_01 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, I could definitely see that.

SPEAKER_05 (39:18):
I combine that and my reading of Heinlein and Rand,
and No Wonder I'm a kinkyfucker.
There you go.

SPEAKER_01 (39:25):
That's uh I guess, yeah, yeah.
It's trying to think if there'sanything earlier, I don't think
so.
But it was a movie, it wasactually an Italian comedy about
sex that I can't remember thename of.

(39:47):
I mean, it wasn't like X-ray, itwas it was just normal R-rated
shit, but the all the comedicelements had to do with
something sexually related.
Like the woman that you knowgets married and her husband
dies right after the themarriage ceremony and then that
happens multiple times over, andso like what is this black

(40:08):
widow, you know, yeah,basically.
Yeah, maybe it's how funny cansex be?
Maybe that was it.
I'm scrolling through a list ofItalian comedies about sex.
But because my internet historyneeds to get weirder, obviously.
Hmm.

(40:29):
But it it's I like one of thoselittle scenes in that movie was
a guy who comes to a city tovisit an old friend that he
hasn't seen in a long time, onlyto discover that his friend is a
chick now.

(40:50):
And he's really torn betweenbeing disgusted by it and having
all these fond memories of likeyou know his buddy when they
were kids and hanging out andremembering, and oh she's not
just a chick, but she's aprostitute, trans prostitute.

(41:12):
And that so that was the firsttime I ever saw someone.
I was like, what the fuck?
That's that's so fucked up.
Why would why would a dude dothat?
That makes no sense.
We're the asylums in Italy.
So that but I think now we'vegot a generation of people that

(41:33):
are like five, six years oldthat are way more familiar with
trans people than any kiddeserves to be.

SPEAKER_04 (41:42):
Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (41:50):
And speaking of Italian movies, there was
another movie that was calledSatiricon.
You ever seen that one?

SPEAKER_05 (41:59):
No, I'm not an Italian film.

SPEAKER_01 (42:01):
Oh, okay.
It's it was it was about likeRoman history with a lot of sex
and nudity.

SPEAKER_04 (42:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
So that could be interesting.

SPEAKER_05 (42:15):
Satiricon, yeah, it's it's they seem to have you
ever watched Caligula?
Yeah, I've seen that too.

SPEAKER_01 (42:22):
What?

SPEAKER_05 (42:22):
No, Rome.

SPEAKER_01 (42:23):
Oh, the TV series?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Quite good.
Yeah, Rome is very good.
Even better is Spartacus, ifyou've seen that series.
I have not seen that series.
You haven't?
Oh, dude.
Okay.
It might be on Paramount.
I can't remember what networkit's on, but it may be on
Paramount.
Spartacus was excellent.
It had classical British TVactors or movie actors doing the

(42:48):
the whole, you know, RomanBritish accent thing, which is
what you would expect.
But they had full on a RomanBritish accent is because in in
movies, in and in Englishlanguage movies, Romans always
speak with a British accent.
I don't know if you notice this.
They don't speak with Americanaccents, they they always speak

(43:11):
with British accent.
So when they represent Italy inEnglish language, they don't do
the fake Italian accent.
They they go full British.
Well, why would you uh do thefake Italian accent to make the
character seem like he's eatingthe pizza?
Do not break the pasta in half,you stupid Americano.

SPEAKER_05 (43:36):
Yeah, yeah.
By the way, did you see theprotesters at one of the ice
facilities or something?
No water.
No, no, no.
It was one of the uh CharlieKirk memorials wearing Luigi
hats.

SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
Heard about it, did not see it.

SPEAKER_05 (43:54):
Yeah, like Mario Luigi hats.

SPEAKER_01 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, I get that's what they said, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Which is, I think, a referenceto the killer of the of course
it is.

SPEAKER_05 (44:05):
It's Luigi Mangioni, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (44:08):
Luigi Mangioni, yeah.
Could you his name just soundslike a hitman, doesn't it?
Who did the hit?
Luigi Mangioni.
Yeah, you know, sounds aboutright.
I guess you gotta give the guysome props for being creative
with building a gun.

SPEAKER_05 (44:28):
What do you mean, building a gun?

SPEAKER_01 (44:29):
He built a gun.

SPEAKER_05 (44:30):
He didn't build a gun.
I'm pretty sure he did.
How so?

SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
Was he using a mass-produced gun?
Because my last time I lookedinto this, which was granted
months ago, they said that he 3Dprinted that gun.

SPEAKER_05 (44:43):
The frame, okay, but you whoop the fucking do.
Okay, those files exist outthere, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 (44:54):
I mean look, I I've had I don't own the 3D printer,
but I've had multiple 3D printedthings that I've requested it,
and they all break, they allsuck, man.

SPEAKER_05 (45:05):
Yeah, and his gun didn't cycle.

SPEAKER_01 (45:08):
Well, there you go.
So it proves it was handmade.
Exactly.
Just saying that, you know, thatI I'm trying to find the silver
lining to something that is avery dark topic.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (45:26):
Civil War, Gene.
Civil War.

SPEAKER_01 (45:28):
Civil War is definitely here, and then we
need more asylums to fix that.
I don't think that's gonna fixit, but sure.
I don't know.
It might you know if you keepputting away the people that
keep doing violent acts away.

SPEAKER_05 (45:43):
Have you looked at your signal?

SPEAKER_01 (45:45):
No, why?

SPEAKER_05 (45:47):
Because I said 20 minutes in and we're 46.

SPEAKER_01 (45:51):
Oh.
Alright.
Well, go ahead and take yourpiss break, Ben.
We'll be right back, folks.
All right, Ben.
Of course, I'm just kidding.
I have to be the one that usesthe restroom, but anyway, we're
back now.

SPEAKER_05 (46:06):
Anyway.
So okay, we've got InfoWarscoming back.
We've got Comey indicted.
We've got people actually goingand fighting.
I dude, I don't see any way outof this coming into being a

(46:31):
full-fledged right v left civilwar.
So something there but they'regoing to they're going to push
to the point where there's goingto be another assassination.
And I thought it was going to bethe right that would take out

(46:52):
someone on the left.
But now with this ice shootingand the violence against the ABC
affiliates over what's hisfucking face.
Yep.
Yep.
I I don't know that it will be.
I don't know that it will be.
But eventually, the right willrespond.

(47:13):
Like, I can totally see the nextassassination really galvanizing
the right to say, fuck it, huntthem down.

SPEAKER_01 (47:22):
Yeah, but that's the wrong response.
You don't want to hunt themdown.
You want to use the power of thegovernment to put them in
prison.

SPEAKER_04 (47:29):
I agree.

SPEAKER_01 (47:32):
Which requires more prisons to be built.
I mean, more uh institutions,uh, asylums to be built in
Alaska.

SPEAKER_05 (47:40):
Well, something, man.

SPEAKER_01 (47:42):
Yeah.
And the reason I say Alaska isvery simple.
It's because if somebody escapesfrom a prison, I mean in mental
asylum in Alaska, they're goingto freeze to death.
They're not going to be able tolike you know travel the 50
miles to civilization on footbefore succumbing to the cold.

(48:02):
During winter.
Even in summer.
It's not going to be your nightswill drop to the 40s.
You're going to be dead.
Oh, please.
What what you think somebodywearing a prison uniform is
going to be able to walk 50miles at 40 degree weather?

SPEAKER_05 (48:19):
Are you insane?
Well, if it's an asylum, whywould they be in a prison
uniform, Gene?

SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
Okay, so they're in an asylum uniform, which is
white instead of orange.
That's the only difference.
But why would they be in auniform versus just because
everybody there is in clothesthat are going to be safe to not
hang themselves with?

SPEAKER_04 (48:39):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (48:41):
I mean, you know, padding costs a lot, so it's
it's better just to put clothesthat don't that like rip easily
on them.

SPEAKER_05 (48:49):
I don't know.
I prefer the padding morecomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 (48:52):
I would too if I was in prison.
I I mean if I was in an asylum,I would certainly prefer to have
a nice padded room.
Makes it more comfortable.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:07):
So what else, Gene?
What's next on the list?

SPEAKER_01 (49:10):
Well, I don't know, man.
I did I gotta scroll up and seewhat I sent you over the last
week or so that we haven't yettalked about because we talked
about video games already.
Get on that count.
Yeah, so I was I like the stancethat our Canadian friend uh has
taken.
What's what's his name?
The uh the uh prove me wrongguy.

(49:32):
Oh yeah, him Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 (49:36):
Yeah, Mug Club, Louder with Crowder.

SPEAKER_01 (49:38):
Yeah, Louder with Crow Crowder.
The Crowder, which is that weneed to use violence.
Legal violence, legal violencecontrolled by the government,
exactly.
And I'm I'm totally on that samewavelength with him because what
the fuck is the point of havingthe government pussy Republicans

(50:00):
if you're not gonna use thegovernment?
Because the other side sure asfuck use the government every
chance they get the government,yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (50:10):
So so speaking of Republicans actually using the
government, yeah, Texas AM islooking for a new university
president.
Okay, the last one was forced toresign over this transgender
issue I brought up.
Yep.
So enough stuff has come outabout him pressuring the student

(50:33):
to back off.
You applied to no first of all,uh, they would never ever let me
do that.

SPEAKER_01 (50:42):
Oh come on, you're you're like, you know, their
favorite uh non graduate.

SPEAKER_05 (50:48):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, no.
Anyway, the the point is thelaws in Texas that were passed
fairly recently saying statefunds cannot go to any
transgender education items.
And he was caught red-handed,you know, hands down, no, no way

(51:14):
out of it.
So, and he knew it, and therewere very prominent Aggie donors
who were tweeting.
Fire him or else, huh?

SPEAKER_01 (51:26):
Fire him or else.

SPEAKER_05 (51:28):
Tweeting to Greg Abbott, you know, we will no
longer be donating and fuckingfire him.
And finally, they did.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (51:43):
Yeah.
And somebody brought up a verygood point to the libertarian
stance of well, but you don'twant to have the government do
something when you're in chargebecause you know they they might
use that to do it against you.
They already are.
Yeah, that so the question wasif uh if somebody is in the

(52:10):
process of committing a heinousevil act, do you just watch and
take pictures or do you try andprevent it from happening?
And a normal person will say,Well, I you know, I don't know
if I could, but I wouldcertainly give it a try and stop

(52:30):
them.
Right?
Like it's a it's it's the thebattle of your internal flight
or flight instinct versus yourhumanity, right?
And basically saying you need tostep in and do something.
Well, our country has been inthe process of being raped, and

(52:57):
Republicans have never wanted toactually stop that rape from
happening.
They've not stepped in to tryand prevent it, they've not even
wanted to pass laws that wouldmake it more difficult for this
rape to happen.
They've just stood by andpointed to it and said, Look,
those bad people are raping thecountry, and then that's the end
of their actions.

(53:18):
So I I'm there with Crowder, I'mthere with these other folks
that are basically saying enoughis enough, the rape has to stop.

SPEAKER_05 (53:28):
It does.

SPEAKER_01 (53:29):
Yep.
We cannot have policedepartments have their logos in
Arabic the way they are inMinnesota and in Michigan.

SPEAKER_05 (53:46):
Well, we we just need to get to a place where we
are not we have to get back tosome form of unified culture.

SPEAKER_01 (53:59):
It doesn't have to be what it was, yeah, but we
have to find a spot where we canget to be that unified culture,
and until then, there's gonna beviolence at this point, yeah,
and that's why we need to startputting more of these people

(54:19):
away for the safety of everyone.
So, can I talk about NickFuentes now?
Or are we not there?

SPEAKER_05 (54:27):
Sure.
You can go on a Nick Fuentesdiet track.

SPEAKER_01 (54:30):
You know who Nick is, right?

SPEAKER_05 (54:32):
I yes, I've never really listened to him or
anything like that.
Some people refer to him as I amI am not a group.
Yeah, that's kind of I put himin the same category as I do
Milo, yeah, like gay Catholicboys, basically.
Uh just someone I am notinterested in hearing from.

SPEAKER_01 (54:51):
Right.
Yeah, somewhat effeminate men.
So the what was interesting,this is I think the best
interview anyone's ever donewith him.
First of all, I gotta give propsto Patrick but David.
PBD, who I generally don't like,and it's not his fault, it's his
accent's fault.
I automatically stereotype andcategorize people with that

(55:16):
accent as low IQ.

SPEAKER_05 (55:18):
And he is clearly not.

SPEAKER_01 (55:20):
Patrick is not, but my my automatic categorization
system is hard to override.
So every time I hear him, I'mlike, God, I wish you could
speak better.
This is just you sound like ajust a you know, New York
schmuck.
Come on, man.

SPEAKER_05 (55:39):
It doesn't sound like a New York schmuck to me.

SPEAKER_01 (55:41):
What does he sound like?

SPEAKER_05 (55:42):
He sounds like a Middle Easter.

SPEAKER_01 (55:44):
No, he doesn't have a Middle Eastern accent at all.
No, he did.
He was a kid, he does.
He was younger than me when hecame to this country.
Yes, and you both have accents.
No, we don't.
Absolutely not.
I've been certified as nothaving an accent.

SPEAKER_02 (55:59):
Of course you have.

SPEAKER_01 (56:01):
I have I have tested for this.
I'm clean, man.
I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_05 (56:08):
So and your Russian is showing.

SPEAKER_01 (56:12):
My English is also my English accent is ever so
slightly present in Russian, butit's it's it's it's really not
it's not an accent, it's a wayof speaking.
Yeah, I mean, it's having uhyeah, no filter, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (56:30):
No, it's not even that, it's just the the timing
of your sentence and the way youstructure it comes off as
non-native English speaker.

SPEAKER_01 (56:43):
Yeah, well, yours comes off as Southern Hick, so
there we go.
Well the the and that's what Iam.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm sure a lot of peoplehave to get past that in order
to realize you're not a dummyeither.

SPEAKER_05 (56:54):
Uh you know what?
It when people hear me speak,yeah, I know they automatically
remove about 20 IQ points.

SPEAKER_01 (57:03):
Well, and it's you know, and you know what?
Yeah, you think that's a goodthing.
Uh I don't fucking care.
Let them misunderstand.
But anyway, that's that's thething that my brain does by
autopilot, and then I have tocompensate in the other
direction manually for it when Ihear Patrick Bet David.
But props to him for being in areally good interviewer because
I've never asked never heardmost of these questions asked of

(57:24):
Nick ever, and I've seen quite abit of Nick.

SPEAKER_05 (57:27):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (57:28):
And the stories you have me intrigued.
Well, what was fascinating to meis I didn't have all this
backstory of young Nick, whoincidentally is a very
intelligent guy, also a high IQindividual, and he became
political at the ripe old age ofeleven.

SPEAKER_00 (57:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (57:50):
And he started doing well, he started being very
involved in uh doing politicalthings in his early teens.
He he got uh introduced toDennis Prager and became a huge

(58:13):
den Dennis Prager follower anduh was doing he he was doing a
lot of like mock UN and debatesin school and and then was the
captain of the debate team.
Uh he was the uh the whateverthe hell the head of the mock UN

(58:34):
is like he got very involved inthat type of nerdy activity when
he was young.
That is pretty nerdy, likepolitical nerdy stuff.
Yeah, mouse tracking.
You know, I did some of this,but not most not as much.
He was also libertarian when hewas younger, and then clearly
not anymore these days.
He's 26 right now, incidentally,so he really is still young.

(58:58):
But he he got involved in thisstuff, was doing stuff for
Prager, was hanging out with thecrew from what's his face is god
damn.
Why am I blinking on everything?

SPEAKER_05 (59:15):
I don't know, but I need more than what's his face.

SPEAKER_01 (59:18):
Guy who talks really fast.

SPEAKER_05 (59:21):
Ben Shapiro.

SPEAKER_01 (59:22):
Yes, him hanging out with people from Ben Shapiro, a
lot of the younger sort of crowdthat that was politically
involved while still in highschool and going into college.
And there he met this this womanthat he clearly fell head over

(59:47):
heels in love with.
And it was not reciprocated.
Oh, and she was Jewish.
And she was working for BenShapiro.
And she was Jewish, and she wasnot Jewish.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Yes.
I thought that's where theJewish.
No, it keeps going, keeps going.
And she was not Jewish.
She was working for Ben Shapiro.

(01:00:08):
And you know, they were hangingout with him.
She was Jewish Jason.
And then she started convertingto Judaism.
And she was going to marryherself a Jewish boy.
And oh my God.
At that point, little Nick'sworld was turned upside down.

(01:00:28):
The love of his life had notreturned his interest in wanting
to develop something, butinstead had pledged herself to
be a good Jewish wife andclearly excluded his Catholic
ass from that whole thing.

(01:00:48):
That was not bad enough becauseshe'd later then betrayed him by
well, she didn't, I guess,technically betray him, but she
so anyway, so he had thisexperience that he was a guy who
has been hanging out and with abunch of Jewish kids for two
reasons.
One, Jewish kids tend to be morepolitical, and he was political,

(01:01:12):
even though he wasn't Jewish.
And two, he was in all theaccelerated learning classes,
which again, most Jewish kidsare all in accelerated learning
classes because their IQ ishigher.
And so he was What happened withyou?
Well, I'm an example of that.
What are you talking about?
I was in the Gifted Talentsprogram starting with third

(01:01:32):
grade.
I got identified as having ahigh IQ.
And then you are.
What?
Sure, you are.
It's public data, dude.
You can look it up just so Ilooked up your data.
Oh, we gotta get into that.
Yeah, we'll we'll get into that.
So so then he had said somethingabout how it was something

(01:01:55):
innocuous.
I I can't remember what thedetails were.
If you really want to watch theinterview with Patrick Bed
David, I I had it queued uptoday, but I had to go to
Houston.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:03):
Yeah, so I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:05):
But it's it's in there.
But basically, some of there wassomething that he thought that
like if you're if things are notgood for your country, then you
ought to be opposed to it.
But there he seemed to run intopeople in politics that are not
opposed to things because whenit came to like, is it good for

(01:02:26):
Israel or is it good for theUnited States, they chose
Israel.
And he had nothing againstIsrael.
He was a he said, you know, whenhe was young, he was a big
supporter of Israel.
This created an inconsistency inhis mind.
It's like, well, wait a minute.
If you're in America, you livehere, shouldn't you care more?
Like you can still care aboutIsrael, but shouldn't you care

(01:02:48):
more about America?
And and then he said that, andthis was when he was probably
like 16 or 17 or something.
And this this girl who had beenthe life of the unrequited love
of his life and who hadconverted to Judaism said, you
know, that's an extremelyanti-Semitic viewpoint, and I

(01:03:10):
can't believe you just saidthat, and I just don't want to
have anything to do with you.
So I I think what that was wasfrom her standpoint, somebody
that clearly was infatuated withher had been hanging around her
trying to you know be her bestfriend, and then him knowing

(01:03:36):
that she just converted toJudaism would say something
that, and you know how this islike non-smokers are the worst,
right?
Non-smokers are the ones thatare gonna complain the most
about smoking.
Somebody who's just converted toJudaism is gonna be way more
sensitive.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:51):
Former smokers is what you mean to say.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:53):
Yeah, what did I what did I say?
Smokers?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Former smokers, yeah, exactly.
So same kind, like it's all new,and the the recent converts are
the most defensive, right?
Where somebody who doesn't care,like me, is like, eh, whatever.
Non uh a recent convert is gonnabe like, whoa, whoa, anti-Semite

(01:04:14):
alert.
And so she basically called himout on it.
She worked for Ben Shapiro, soclearly she was bitching about
him to Ben.
And then Ben retweeted sometweet of his saying, not a good
look, where he said somethinganti-Jewish.
Or probably not evenanti-Jewish, right?

(01:04:34):
Probably just somethinganti-Israel.
And like that cemented for himthe whole Jews are just here to
undermine me thing.
So, you know, wars have beenfought over women, and I think
this explains very clearly whatwhat happened to a young Nick

(01:04:58):
Fuentes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:00):
I mean, he's not wrong though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:03):
Well, why?
Have you been requited by aJewish woman as well?

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:07):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:07):
Okay.
So, no, if you mean likeshouldn't you be more for
America, I totally agree.
Absolutely.
I mean, the place you live isgonna be of the utmost priority
because that's where youpresumably have settled in or
planning on having kids oralready had kids.

(01:05:30):
So if you don't like that place,you should probably move
somewhere else.
And I don't think there'sanything wrong with having
opinions about other countries,especially other countries
you've lived in or haverelatives in, but that shouldn't
be ahead of where you placeAmerica.

(01:05:51):
So he's totally right on thatcount, absolutely.
So, anyway, then he just kind ofkept talking about different
instances where he was basicallythe they figured out that the
way to kind of get him to bepushed out of the young
conservative circles was to justkeep pointing to things he said

(01:06:13):
as being anti-Semitic.
So they they used anti-Semitismas a club to beat him up with
it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:19):
Dude, the ADL's been doing it forever.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:21):
Yeah, I know, but most Jews don't support the ADL.
The ADL exists there's bullshitbullshit nothing, dude.
That that's like saying that,you know, the uh what's that
church down in Florida that thatlike banned gays or whatever,
that that representsChristianity.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:41):
You know, represents part of Christianity.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:43):
Yeah, exactly, part of Christianity.
And the ADL has been a nothingmore than a Democrat mouthpiece
for like 30 years.
I've got tweets going way backtalking about how they don't
represent Jews because they'rethey actually they don't care
about Jews, frankly.

(01:07:04):
They more they care this is anexample of this exact prompt.
They care more about theirdemocrats than they do about
Jews.
Like, what about Jewish gunrights?
Ah, fuck the Jews.
We don't need guns.
Uh how is that a how's thatpro-Jew?
It's not.
So, yeah, the ADL is you know,it's like the what the the

(01:07:28):
Negro, what is that group?
United Negro College Fund orsomething.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:34):
D A C L U.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:36):
The N L A C P.
Okay.
Yeah, it's basically the samequestion.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:41):
Why don't you tell everyone what you uh dug up on
me and how?
Well, not the not the details,please.
Please don't talk to me on that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:51):
I can't believe you were asking for that, Ben.
Holy cow, you're just open.
You're so into freedom ofspeech.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:56):
No.
No, I I just I wanted to go backand listen to this episode and
make sure you don't actuallyinsert knocking.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:03):
No, uh, so you know, last time I said hey, you said
you were getting one so someonedid something fairly, they had
enough information about me thatthey went through and dug up
enough to put together a prettyconvincing exploitation letter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:20):
And you wanted to see how easy I was curious how
much stuff is out there aboutyou.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:25):
Well, and so most of the stuff you found is either
public records and I can't doanything about it, or or old.
Right, right.
And that that's the thing.
So when I was a kid, like thethe camus net email address you
dug up, yep.
I use that for everything, likethe first version of Metasploit
that I downloaded, all theforums I talked on.

(01:08:46):
So that's very out there, andthat's something we have to
recognize is like as I've gottenolder, I've gotten way quieter.
I use spam accounts, I don't tiestuff to my main stuff as much.
Yeah, but you know, we allstarted out stupid.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's uh talk for a good Iwould say it was two or three
minutes innocuous, but it wasinteresting to see how fairly
easily that information isobtainable just by using one of
the free search engines to kindof point to some sites.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:18):
You didn't even use Multigo, did you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:20):
No.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:21):
Have you played with Multigo?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:23):
No, I I'm too lazy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:25):
Dude, it's free and it's really easy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:28):
I know, I know.
Yeah, no, it's true.
It's true.
But no, I just basically startedgetting on some of the torn
sites and and the dark web andstarted poking around a little
bit, and before too long, I gotenough data to where I was
bored, sent you what I had, andsaid, you know, based on what
I'm seeing, I I think yourexploiter likely was not here.

(01:09:51):
It's probably somebody onFacebook.
Or getting data from there atleast.
Which I've never understood whyanyone would ever put the type
of info about themselves onFacebook as people seem to put
on Facebook.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:11):
Oh, it's crazy.
And what you have to realize,most people go with the default
settings, which means anyone cansee stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:22):
You know, people don't even lock it down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:25):
And it's well, it's got a negative lock thing by
default, so it's everyone cansee except the people that you
explicitly prevent from seeing,like exact I I I would I would
like to see a lawyer bring aclass action lawsuit from people
who have never had a Facebookaccount, but other people have

(01:10:48):
put their information up.
Yeah.
I could see that.
Yeah.
Now I also looked, you know,because it was related records,
I found some stuff on your wife,but I figured there's no point
in spreading that around.
But it was it it was notanything too interesting.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:11):
Well, I mean, you know, you again public records,
you're not gonna do anythingabout that.
Public records are publicrecords.
Yeah, and you know, that thisgoes for everybody.
I mean, that that includes whereyou live.
Like if you own a house, that'sa public record.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:26):
Now, the interesting thing about email addresses is
you can actually do somesearches on actual email
transaction data, and there'snot much of it, but if you get
lucky, you may be able to scrapesome somebody's email.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:39):
Yeah, and that does exist.
Yes, and that comes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:43):
Email's always been insecure, and most people don't
realize that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:47):
Yes.
And so Multigo is basically aninformation graph, right?
It links things together, andit's a great OSINT tool.
And I've been using it sincesince the project started, and
it it's very useful.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:02):
I get it installed, I just uh I'll probably put it
on my laptop.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:05):
I I told you I was able to find how my information
got out there in the firstplace.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:12):
No.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:13):
So this was coming from the name was consistent,
and I'm not gonna say who theclient was, but we just put in a
bid to a large municipality, oneof the largest in the nation.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:29):
California.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:31):
And well, no comment.
And my resume was attached tothat bid as a key person.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:40):
Well, one of the messages I got from a proton
account, I was able to link toan individual who works for the
city who would have seen that.
So his account is owned, is whatit comes down to.
Someone has owned his account.
And yeah, because I don't thinkhe's actually the one doing it,

(01:13:02):
right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:02):
Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:04):
Yeah.
So anyway, I've put all thisinformation together and I need
to contact the FBI and let themcontact him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:12):
Yes, they they should totally do that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:15):
Pro well, I mean, it if someone's hacked into his
stuff, yeah, it's kind of a bigdeal, dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:27):
Yeah, no, I hear you.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:28):
So, I mean, what they saw was they saw this come
across.
I bet you I'm not the only onethat has received something
similar.
I bet other people at my work,I'll have to ask.
I will bet that our competitorsgot hit too, because what they
probably did was see all thesebids come in and these people

(01:13:50):
put in higher positions on thisbid going, I bet they make a lot
of money, let's go after them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:56):
That would make nothing but sense.
That would be my my take on it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:03):
But yeah.
But I was able to do that withMultico.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:09):
Yeah.
So there was uh actually apresentation this morning from
DHS talking about fishingservices specifically targeting
people in the cyber threatsgroups of utilities.

(01:14:31):
Yep.
So I I think that's I canmention that much at least.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:40):
Well, the fact of the matter is, like, quite
frankly, if you're high-endcybersecurity, we we have a
conflicting nature.
So, for instance, I should nothave a LinkedIn.
Yeah, should not exist, shouldnot be out there.

(01:15:01):
I should not have a LinkedIntalking about what I do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:04):
Yeah, but you change jobs like every other month, so
can't do that without LinkedIn.
I do not.
I was called eight and a halfyears, dude.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:14):
What I was at Vistra for eight and a half years as a
you know, uh Dragos for two.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:21):
Um it's called I'm breaking your balls, dude.
Come on.
I'm not being literal.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:27):
Anyway, what it comes down to though is uh we
have a perverse incentivebecause for our career and
mobility standpoint, we have tohave a LinkedIn, but from a
cybersecurity standpoint, weshould not be advertising to the
world and anyone who wants tosee it what we do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Back when I worked for BritishTelecom, the every project had a
code name, and we were onlyallowed to use code names.
We're not allowed to use clientnames.
Yeah.

(01:16:09):
And I I think that's a practicethat's mostly died down in
American companies, but wasstill the case there.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:17):
It it depends.
So, for instance, some of thework at facilities that would
have now nation nation nationalsecrets or have some sort of
classification standard or USonly persons, we typically use
an internal code name.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:38):
Yeah, well, it's good practice either way,
because we're back when I usedto do security, you know, you're
you're dealing with not just thedigital aspects of it, but also
the publicity aspects of it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:58):
Well, and the hum the human side of it, yeah,
right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, which is always a a mixedbag, frankly.
The number of people that don'tunderstand the impact that what
they say can have greatlyoutweighs the number of security
personnel.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:21):
How so?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:24):
Most leadership sees security as an annoyance.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:30):
As a cost, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:31):
Not just a cost, but as the people that make our
lives harder.
They don't see them as like theessential ingredient without
everything else goes tits up.
And that that's you know, again,after like 20 years of that, I I

(01:17:53):
pretty much was over it.
It's like, yeah, I'm not gonnamiss this part of the job.
Because they're just buttingheads.
Dude, I I was personally firedby the CISO of uh Mare Price
Financial for being right.

(01:18:14):
Uh it's not unusual.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:20):
No, it's not.
I've had like my CISO and I atprevious jobs went round and
round, but I was right.
And I was right to do what Idid.
Yep.
And quite frankly, luckily theCTO at the time said, yeah, no,
he just saved your ass.
So we had a hack at one of thecompanies that got into

(01:18:43):
corporate active directory, gotall over the place.
Like it was a massive incident.
It was a week-long, weeks-longrecovery effort.
And, you know, on the OT side, Iliterally had my engineers write
a firewall rule to be appliedthat would sever all our power
plants' communications from therest of the company.

(01:19:05):
And we got to the point where wehad an automatic trigger that if
there were any indicators ofcompromise from this mal this
ransomware on any single plant,it would trigger against all of
them and just totally disconnectthem, meaning physical trips
would be required to restoreconnectivity.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:25):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:26):
And so we got luckily we never had to trigger
it, but my CISO told me don'timplement that.
And I ignored him and Iimplemented it.
Yep.
And anyway, he wanted to writeme up, he wanted to do all sorts
of stuff or you know,disobedience, insubordination.
Yeah, and the CTO it went to theCTO's desk and he said, Why

(01:19:49):
would you write this up?
It was the right thing to do.
Like it's in the public's bestinterest, not just our interest
as a company.
And he threw it out.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:59):
So yeah, no, it's it's a sometimes the political
pressure overrules the rightchoice from a security
standpoint, from a corporatestandpoint, even.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:16):
Because people Well, he was just seeing the dollar
signs of how much it was gonnacost to recover.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:20):
That's exactly right, dude.
I believe me, and I I think I'vetalked about this, but as part
of doing some Red Hatactivities, you know,
legitimately, that I was gettingpaid to do, I took down the cash
reducer system for Target inNorth America.

(01:20:46):
Well, they started adding up thecost of that.
And all kinds of people startedsaying, Well, why wasn't I
notified about this?
We would have said no.
And it's like, well, somemanager somewhere made a
decision and decided not to putyou on the CC line.

(01:21:08):
It wasn't anything I did, butyou know, in the end, everybody
paid the price for that.
Yeah.
So it it's it there there arethings that you have to balance,

(01:21:32):
but not necessarily is thatbalance gonna be done by the
right person, because sometimesthey they have a very strong
visit in one direction or theother.
And in your case, it sounds likethey also had a personal grudge
against you for not followingtheir orders.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:48):
Well, that's that's see so he was he was a Latino
with way too much much ismo, andprobably if he wasn't an ethnic
ethnic minority, would not havebeen in the position he was in.
And he he and I butted headsconstantly on, you know, I would
choose different technologiesthan he wanted because he was

(01:22:09):
one of those guys who always letpeople take him out and do
stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:16):
Yeah.
I get it, I get it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:21):
It's this is one of the things that I think makes it
by the way, what JD Vance justwent on Laura Ingram and said
people will go to jail forfunding left-wing terrorism, and
Georgetown is now investigatingthe catch this fascist posters

(01:22:42):
that were good present oncampus.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:45):
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's high time wedo that.
And they they shouldn't be ahand slap either, they should be
real sentences for people.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:54):
Uh I I think you can start with a hand slap.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:57):
As long as it's a felony, I don't care.
As long as I I don't want thesepeople walking around with guns.
Okay.
These are people who arehellbent on destroying America.
And much like an example, yeah,you know, enough rape.
I I'm done with it.

(01:23:18):
We we don't need to have thesepeople be able to commit more
acts of violence.

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:24):
What do you think should happen with oh my god, he
he did the oh he was on MSNBCfor a long time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:36):
I can picture his fucking the guy that said Tony
Kirk probably brought thishimself or whatnot?

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:41):
No, the guy that said you're next, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:45):
Oh, I didn't see that.
Who said that?

SPEAKER_05 (01:23:46):
Oh my god.
He had an MSNBC show, he gotfired.
I actually agreed with him a lotduring the Bush years because he
was anti-Iraq and Afghanistanwar.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:58):
Who who said you're next?

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:01):
Keith Olbermann.
There we go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:02):
Oh, Olbermann okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:03):
Yeah, Keith Olbermann.
So he made a threat againstsomeone's life.
What should happen with him?

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:13):
Well, a credible threat against somebody's life
is a felony.
Okay.
Well he should be arrested.
He should be arrested, charged,found guilty, and do a minimum
one year in prison.

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:35):
Well, I don't even care if he ends up with
community service, but we haveto start punishing people.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:43):
Yeah, but I think one step at a time, right?
The first step is actuallycharging all these people, not
just ignoring them.
The second step is actuallyhaving the trials where you
demonstrate what they did andthen laying out what the uh the
uh punishment would be.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:01):
I think we're starting to see some balls out
of the DOJ.
Like going back to thebeginning, you know, indicting
Comey is not a small step.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:13):
I think it's a very small step.
I think this is a piddly littlestep.
We need to see thousands ofindictments going out all at
once and not cherry picking oneperson who incidentally is a
multimillionaire and will notserve a day in jail for any of
this.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:30):
You you have to move the the needle so that you you
have to get somebody, you haveto pin them to the wall, then
you have to get the next one,and it become, hey, this is a
cultural shift, you're not gonnado this anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:46):
I I think that'll take way longer than this
president has.
I think we need to be doingthousands of indictments all at
the same time.
Hell, dude, they they wasted notime indicating people that went
to Site C in Washington, DC andmaybe happened to be in the
wrong place at the wrong time.

(01:26:08):
Thousands of people getindictments at the same time.
You know why the the Templarorganization doesn't exist
today?

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:22):
Because the French government went after it?

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:25):
Because the Pope said that all of them are to be
arrested on Friday, October13th.
And that's what was executed byuh not just the French
government, but yeah, certainlythe French court.
So you gotta round them all up,otherwise all it's gonna do is

(01:26:48):
just spread like a messy sizingcancer.
Put them to work, man.
Have them be building some campsup in Alaska.
Children's camps, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:04):
Mm-hmm.
What else you want to talkabout, Gene?
Because I've covered what Iwanted to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:11):
Uh I don't know.
I but Nick, so we got done withNick.
So, bottom line with Nick, itwas a great interview.
Watch it.
I understand that the hisanti-Jewish stuff is it's you
know, it's emotionallypersonally driven.
I don't think had things gone adifferent way, Nick would have
been out there chanting Death toIsrael, but I totally understand

(01:27:31):
why he's doing it at this point.
What else we have for links?
Let's see how we talked aboutthat.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:41):
Any new video games, new spaceships?

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:43):
No, no, no, no, just still playing Grey's own, the uh
the best military simulator outthere.
Where you get to build guns fromparts or take them apart and do
you whatever you want.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:54):
You you gotta Did you see Herrera's latest video,
The Biggest Iron?
No, oh my god, he shoots a gunthat uh I swear to god, he
physically looks hurt shooting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:09):
Wow, and he shot the AK-50, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:13):
No, this is a handgun, too, bro.
Okay, it's uh I haven't seenthat yet.
I gotta check it out.
It's worth watching.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:20):
He's still running for Congress, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:22):
Yep, yep.
He's doubling down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:24):
Given his compet his uh competition for that seat,
just had one of his staffersspontaneously explode.
That's gonna be an interestingrace.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:36):
To say the least.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:38):
I feel sorry for the gal, but you gotta wonder, what
exactly is the job?
What does it entail being astaffer for this guy if there's
a chance of spontaneouscombustion?

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:56):
Yeah, and then Grand Thumb is doing more training for
a high training videos.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:02):
Yeah, he did a land nav.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29:05):
Well, no, he did a land nav video.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:07):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29:08):
So, hey, here's how you use a map.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:10):
Which come on, every guy should have been a Boy Scout
at least long enough to that'sI'm glad he's doing it because
we have a whole generation ofkids who don't know how to use a
map.
Dude, I see this in video games.
People are like, oh, where areyou going?
What are you doing?
I'm like, 242 degrees, look atyour map.

(01:29:31):
Yes, I'm that guy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:35):
You would be that guy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:39):
I'm the guy that turns off all the little
helpsicles in video games.
You know, just get all that shitoff your screen.
If you can't navigate by lookingat the sun and the stars, you
don't belong in my army.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29:51):
Well, I mean, like for me.
I remember as a kid, you know,being on the boats.
And stuff like that.
And I was always fascinated withyou know primitive navigation.
Yeah.
And when I was a kid, one offamily friends who was a sea

(01:30:14):
captain and you know literallytaught me how to use a sextant.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:20):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:20):
You know?

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:21):
And it's remember, keep this clean, Ben.
What?
Oh my god, dude.

unknown (01:30:31):
Oh fucking shit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:33):
People may not know what a sextant is.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:35):
So a sextant is a navigational device.
Thank you.
It is not navigational aid.
Not to be confused with amarital aid.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:49):
Oh, I got something funny.
I gotta keep it anonymousthough.
What what do you do if you got abuddy you've been playing video
games with, you know, you'reyou're like uh you never met the
person, but you you chat withthem with some regularity.
And then you know, apparentlythe guy has not disabled his

(01:31:10):
steam wish list from his friendsseeing it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:17):
And by the end of the story, you'll see why I
highly recommend that you turnoff all social things within
Steam.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:24):
Okay.
Luckily, I'm not in Steamenough, so I know it's not me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:29):
Yeah, exactly.
I don't have a wish list.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:31):
No, but you know, I've got a wish list, and the my
wish list is pretty much allwhat you would expect space
games and shooting games.
That's about it.
A little bit of a little bit offarming games in there, too.
But that that's FarmSim 5.
It's about the extent of it.
Yeah.
FarmSome 23 is the latest, butit'll be 27 probably.

(01:31:53):
But do you have Farmsum 5?
Yeah, of course.
So Jesus Christ.
So anyway, so I see he's got hiswish list up, and and I know
some of the games he plays, andso I thought, oh, I wonder if he
added Greyzone, the game thatI'm currently playing, that I've
been raving about how great itis to his list.
So I started scrolling down,scrolling down, and then I start

(01:32:14):
noticing a lot of like animecharacter video games.
You know what I mean?
Like they're all cartoonJapanese y looking things.
I'm like, oh, okay, well, he'sinto that uh the whole anime
thing, I guess.
And I keep scrolling and then Istarted looking at some of the
titles of these games, andthey're like Best Friend Picnic

(01:32:35):
or I'm trying to think of aclean title for one of these,
like you know, My Cousin'sAdventure.
And I'm I'm looking at thesenow, going, what the fuck?
And I when you look at what thegame is, these are all sex
games.

(01:32:55):
They're they're like sex gamesfor people that are into anime.
So hentai kind of shit, right?
And I'm like, oh Jesus Christ.
Does he not realize well, I'msure he does this guy probably
hasn't, but does he not realizethis is public?

(01:33:15):
And then you keep scrolling andit's not just Japanese porn
animation games, but thenspecifically moving into the
fetish of BDSM.
Like Japanese fetish BDSM games.
And I'm like, okay, now I'mreally torn.

(01:33:36):
Because I was gonna make fun ofthem, right?
Because that's what friends do.
But now I'm thinking, okay.
You still should.
This may be over the top.
I don't want the guy to deletehis fucking account and just
disappear.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Like there comes a point whereyou can embarrass somebody so
much, like showing him a pictureof you know their mom naked

(01:33:57):
right after you had sex withher, to where they will want to
get like hide from that so muchthat they will literally just
delete everything and will goaway and never be around.
I don't want to be that guythat's responsible for him doing
this.
So I'm I'm still kind of torn.

(01:34:19):
Like, I haven't done anythingother than talking about it on
our podcast.
But nobody knows who this guyis.
I'm I'm not gonna give any cluesto it, obviously.
But the the I I don't know, man.
Like if I saw just anime crapfor a grown man, I would totally
make fun of him for that.
I was just bringing up by theway, I can't believe you you're

(01:34:40):
you know, still wanting to buyblah blah blah game, or or like,
oh, I didn't know you were alittle girl pretending to be a
man or something like that.
Something super witty that onlyI can come up with.
But there's a point where hegets so weirdly fetishized that
I'm afraid if I bring it up, thedefensive reaction might be

(01:35:03):
excessively strong.
He's not gonna kind of chuckleit off and go, Oh, yeah, I'm
totally into that kind of youknow, anime BDSM crap, love that
shit.
Most people don't want to admitstuff like that.
Well, you know, I know you watchfurry porn, but I'm not gonna

(01:35:23):
say that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:24):
I I do not, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:26):
Okay, you see the reaction right there.
That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:30):
But I you son of a bitch, but I really tell it.
So, you know, it's fine, butlike that's not my kink.
I have plenty of them, and Iwill freely admit that I hope I
didn't accidentally stumble intoan actual kink.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:47):
You didn't, you didn't.
It's all good.
Ben's like finding his furrystuff right now.
Shit.
Now they know shit, he's got acamera.
Yeah, so I don't know.
I'm but also if I do nothing,someone else at some point will
see this and he and use itagainst him, yeah.
Yeah, like actually use itagainst him and not just think

(01:36:10):
it's funny.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:11):
So the what I would do is I would say, hey, dude,
one of my buddies got thisextortion email.
You know, tie it back to thatstory.
Say, hey, he just got this, youknow.
You might in my podcast, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:25):
Talk with my buddy about his experience.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:27):
No, but because then he might listen to this one and
be like, oh my god.
But what you should do is say,Hey, he just went through this,
and you know, luckily there wasnothing, so it's not a big deal,
but check you check all your uhsettings on Steam and you know,
list that as an example andeverything else, and make sure
you've got it locked down whereyou need it to be.

(01:36:50):
Like that's how I would handlethat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:53):
Because then it's not specifically calling him out
for that, you're not suggestingyou saw anything, you're just
saying, hey, you should uh lockdown you know your social media
stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's a tough one.
And I and and fuck Steam for notmaking the default to be hidden.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Because it it's like there's noreason for Steam to make that
default public.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:22):
Even to your or at least during setup, do you want
to share this with your friends?

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
Because there's a you what ifyour friends are your family?
Do you want your your you knowyour relatives seeing your oh,
I'm gonna bookmark this topurchase later so I can jack off
to this video game?

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:44):
You know, that's just who the fuck jacks off to a
video game.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:48):
I suspect people that are into anime do.
I mean, what's that there's notreally a point to getting those
games other than that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:00):
I don't know.
What's the point of going to astrip club?

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:03):
There is no point to going to a strip club.
I've never understood.
I agree.
If you're gonna go someplace andand spend money, you ought to
get something for it more thanthe visual.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:15):
Well, and that that's my entire problem.
My entire like either you reallywant to do something and you
can't, or you really don't.
Like, it's just a I I have beento one strip club in my entire
life.
It's for my 18th birthday,friends took me there, it's not

(01:38:38):
for me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's a I wasspeaking, I was looking up
exactly where that setting is.
It's a little hidden in Steam.
I always thought from afinancial standpoint, strip
clubs were a total ripoff.

(01:39:01):
It's like going to pay money towatch other people eating food.

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:10):
I think it's a little worse than that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:11):
Like you can smell the food and you can pretend you
know what it tastes like, butyou're not actually eating it.
Or you don't want to, becauseit's not a good thing.
Well, what are you doing at arestaurant if you don't want to
eat it?

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:24):
Right, but you know, if you see someone randomly
eating something disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:30):
Well, yeah, you may not want to, exactly, exactly.
I mean, I guess you'll you'llknow that restaurant doesn't
have good food.
Are we done with this analogy?
I think so.
Okay.
I will move on.
Of course beaten.
Yeah, to death.
But it that's not a it and I'velike I've paid for friends'

(01:39:55):
bachelor parties before theirwedding and stuff.
And I feel bad paying the moneybecause it's it's just a
ridiculous amount of expense.
Like a girlfriend experiencetotally makes sense to me.
Like you're not you're notpaying for some random bimbo
looking chick that's fake whereyou know she wants to be, and

(01:40:15):
and stretch marks where shedidn't have plastic surgery
grinding away at you.
You wanna you wanna have somehot chick that literally is
gonna spend the entire 24 hourswith you day and night?
Much better bang for the buck.
Excuse my language, sir.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:36):
So, real quick, story just posted to local
media.
I'm reading it real quick, holdon.
So Trump has stated togovernment agencies that if the
government shuts down, expectmass layoffs.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:55):
Good.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:57):
Which would be under his purview then to save funds
and so on.
So come on, government shutdown.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:10):
I've always been in favor of every government
shutdown that's ever happened,and I don't understand why
everyone's trying to reopen it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:18):
Gene, I found your woman online.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:21):
Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:21):
Which one?
Since since we're stretching fortime and topics here.
Oh.
Hold on, I just sent it to youin uh yeah.
This is definitely Gene's type.
It's a woman doing a belly dancewho really needs a tummy tucked.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:45):
Yeah, yeah, big time.
That's definitely not my type atall.
Are you kidding?
I I generally the more over 100pounds they are, the less
interesting they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:55):
Yeah.
So since we're gonna wrap it uphere pretty quick, I will talk
about Aggie football becausewe've got a hell of a game
coming up this weekend.
Aggies fresh off of a bye weekafter beating no no Notre Dame.
We've got Auburn coming in toour stadium, and it's gonna be a
top 25 matchup.

(01:42:16):
Aggies are favored by six and ahalf, and it's gonna be a hell
of a game.
And if they can pull it off,then yes, this will be an
amazing start to the season.

SPEAKER_06 (01:42:28):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:29):
So very excited about that.
And um what I will be doingSaturday afternoon.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:33):
You're gonna be doing sports ball, it sounds
like.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:35):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42:38):
Good, good.
Alex Jones, I just posted.
I'm officially joining theDemocratic Party as of today.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:44):
Yeah, he also is you miss the part where he's doing
his becoming Hitler socialexperiment.

SPEAKER_06 (01:42:51):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:53):
So Alex Jones is going on a massive troll
offensive.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:02):
Yeah, good for him.
I'm oh my god, he's got theHitler mustache.
Holy shit.
Yep.
Holy shit.
Yep.
Oh my god, I can't believe hejust did this.

SPEAKER_02 (01:43:13):
Yes, he is on a hell of a troll campaign.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:16):
It's gonna be fun to watch for a while.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:21):
I mean, he looks less like Hitler than one of the
other dudes, but I can't believehe just did a Hitler mustache.
That is amazing.
And he's got that kind of grufflook to him in this photo where
he's just about to do the uh theRoman salute.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:38):
And and go off on a massive tirade when he's talking
like this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:42):
Yeah.
And you've you've seen thevideos of Hitler talking like to
friends, right?
No.
Oh, you haven't?
Oh, I'll I think I got thosevideos.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:51):
Where he's very calm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:52):
Yeah, yeah.
He's he's in one of the videos,he's basically discussing one of
his speeches with, you know,just like not politically, but
just casually.
It's like, yeah, I don't know.
Well, I was thinking maybe Ishould, you know, really kind of
stress this part of it.
I don't know if people arereally getting the right
impression.
And just very calm, normalsounding voice, not yelly, not

(01:44:16):
shouty, as the CSB would say.
Yeah.
So what do you think about it II can't imagine Alex Jones
having a normal voice.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:29):
No.
This is something we haven'treally talked about, but what do
you think about the odds of Kirknot having an exit wound?

SPEAKER_01 (01:44:40):
Some people have brought that up.
So the best uh the best analogy,or not analogy, but the best
description I've seen, the onethat I I think is the most
rational that I buy into, isthat he was wearing body armor.
And the shot was not actually inthe neck, the shot was to just

(01:45:01):
above his heart.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:03):
Yeah, I I don't think that's the case.
I don't think he was wearingbody armor.
Because you can see his nipplesa few frames before.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:11):
That that's that's on the body armor these days.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:14):
Uh-huh.
Anyway, what I think happened.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:17):
If you look at it actually right before the shot,
if you look at his shirt, it isabsolutely square.
Not fitting his body, butlooking like something
underneath the shirt is pushingit out.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:28):
Okay, well, this will should all come out in the
coroner's report.
But based off of what we knowright now, yeah, the guy was
shooting at a you know, about a25-30 degree angle off center
from Charlie.
Yeah, he was shooting down at aprobably about a 15 degree
angle.
Yeah.
So that bullet went in, hit hisneck, hit his spine, and went

(01:45:50):
down into his body cavity.
That's what I think happened.
It could be.
I mean because you know whatI've seen shooting a deer that's
broadside to me, right, andshoot doing a body shot, it a
even my 300 rum hitting a riband deflecting and the exit
wound being six inches in eitherdirection from where that was.

(01:46:11):
It's not straight through.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:12):
And I we don't know what kind of bullets to use, I
guess, or maybe we do, but Ijust don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:16):
No, it hasn't been publicized, but that's the other
thing is a 30.6 is ballisticallyabout where a 308 is.
Like it's a much larger physicalround, but this is a much older
round design, the chamberpressures aren't as high, things
like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:31):
So what you have to think of is if that was let's
say an older cartridge, right?
This was supposedly hisgrandfather's rifle.
So if it's an older cartridge, Apatter could be degraded if it
wasn't kept correctly.
And B, if it's a not super fastmoving or it's a lighter weight

(01:46:52):
bullet, it's much more likely todeflect.
And since it's already coming inat that downward angle and that
oblique angle, you know, law ofreflection and refraction, it's
going to refract off and reflectin at an opposite angle.
And then if it's going throughenough of his body tissue, it's
going to slow down.

(01:47:13):
And they said it was the bulletwas caught just under the skin.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:17):
So I I I still am going to stick to my theory here
that I'd somebody that'ssomebody else's, but I I'm
thinking it's the mostreasonable, which is that he was
wearing body armor.
This hit about an inch or twobelow the top of the plate.
That took the majority of theforce out of the bullet,
deflecting it because it wasn'tin the middle, it was right at

(01:47:38):
the edge, deflecting the bulletup, which would also explain the
disproportionately large size ofthe incoming hole.
It looked like it was aboutthree-quarters of an inch in
diameter.
Typically, an entry wound from a300 diameter bullet is less than
your pinky fingernail.
It is a very, very small holecoming in.

(01:48:00):
Much larger hole.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:01):
Soft points, not necessarily.
So, again, going back to theanimals that I have shot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:07):
So, okay, all right.
But I'm I'm watching a videowhere they're shooting porks,
like pork halves, with theseexact same rifle, the exact same
rounds, and what they're showingis the size of the incoming hole
is very small.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:20):
Well, and again, it's hard to tell how big the
hole actually is on the footagebecause there's a still frame
that you can tell pretty well.
But that could be bloodsplatter.
We don't, and and here's theother thing Mrs.
Kirk has said that Charliedidn't wear body armor.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:34):
She asked him to, she begged him to, he
occasionally would, yeah, butshe did not, he did not look
like and what it looks like isit bounced off the body armor,
went into the neck in anupwardly direction, likely hit
the bottom.
But that's not what the coroneris saying, so and then went up
into a skull.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:52):
Anyway, we're gonna have to see what the coroner's
report says.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:55):
Yeah, I mean they'll be able to trace the full path
of the bullet now, it needs tobe made public pretty quick.
If the bullet went in and thenback out and then back in again,
then I'm gonna have somequestions.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:06):
So here's the here's the question though.
So uh oh, by the way, we need tomake a correction.
So us and everybody else,everyone was reporting this that
Charlie Kirk's wife and kidswere in attendance.
Yeah, they were nearby, theywere at they were in the town,
but they were not physicallythere.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:23):
Oh, I didn't realize that.
I thought they were physicallythere.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:26):
No, and I I thought that too.
That's whatever.
That's good.
So at least the kids didn't getto see that.
So at least the kids were sparedthat.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's that's nasty.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:36):
By the way, if you haven't watched it, go watch
Crowder's video on what we heput it out about three days ago.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:43):
I watched it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:44):
What we know, what we think we know, what we don't
know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:46):
It's a very good analysis.
He he has been rocks and rolllately.
Yeah.
I agree.
And you know me, I'm I'm not thebig fan of him because the way
he treated the uh his exit.
Or not even his exit, I thatwasn't the exit, but how he
treated the the uh the offerthat he got from the boys, sir.

(01:50:06):
Yeah.
And but you know, I'm I'm gonnacall somebody uh out for being
good at something.
I don't care where they'recoming from.
And in this particular case, Ithink he's just been killing it
with both his commentary and thework that they've been doing
putting things together andmaking summaries.
Very good job.

(01:50:30):
It might it might get me to evenpony up for mug club.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:34):
Well, if you pony up for mug club, you get rumble
premium, which also gives youTim stuff and everything else.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:40):
Oh, that's true.
That's a good point, yeah.
Yeah, because I I hardly everwatch Daily Wire, even though I
pay for it.
But you know, my masath handlertold me to, so I'm just gonna do
that.
And on that note We done?

(01:51:03):
We're gonna wrap her up.

SPEAKER_05 (01:51:05):
Alright, Gene.
We'll talk to you next week.
We'll see y'all next week.

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