Epstein Files: Redacted Truth or Controlled Narrative?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Howdy Ben?
How are you today, Gene?
I'm doing pretty well.
I'm doing pretty well.
That's good.
We're recording at a new time.
New time, new channel.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
New channel.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Really, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
You know when they used to move TV shows.
Same bad time, same bad channel, you know.
Well, yeah, we are switchingour recording dates, which may
affect when the episodes are Infact.
It will obviously affect whenthe episodes are in fact, it
will obviously affect when theepisodes are published.
We're recording on thursdays.
Moving forward, historically,I've usually not posted until
the next day, sometimes two,which means these episodes

(00:35):
should come out on probablyfridays most of the time, and
sometimes on saturdays, and if Ihave nothing at all going on,
they'll come out thursdays.
But you know, there's so muchediting involved with publishing
these things that I I mean, ifpeople started donating more or
something aside from my PO Boxor my PayPal started filling up,

(00:57):
maybe I'd get them out on time,I mean sooner.
But yeah, we just, you knowwe're getting by, we're doing
okay, we lost one, we did, we'redoing.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, we lost one.
We did.
We lost a $3 a month subscriber.
Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
That sucks.
Now we're going to need liketwo $5 ones to replace that one.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, just to save inflation.
Mm-hmm, exactly, or some goodBitcoin donations.
Well, I was going to say,speaking of inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
The problem with getting Bitcoin as donations is
that the amount of Bitcoinyou're going to get is going to
be a lot lower because Bitcoin'sworth more now.
So it's going to be like.0000001 Bitcoin, aka one sat.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, I have some sats sitting in fountain that
I'm trying to get out offountain into my main wallet and
it is not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
See, you're experiencing a version of what I
experienced using a freakingservice I was paying 15 bucks a
month for and I just couldn'tget it.
I I don't even want to thinkabout like how difficult it's
going to be trying to get moneyout of darren well, or getting
money out of you you know, Idon't know about that.
Uh, I have no money.

(02:06):
That's what it comes down to.
You know, I don't know, aboutthat.
I have no money.
That's what it comes down to,but you know Darren's definitely
sitting on some of my money.
That's how it goes.
That's how it goes, but that'sall right.
Where do you want to start?
We got a few stories.
One of them is huge, obviously.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, there's several huge stories, so which one are
you referring to?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'm referring to that .
There's nothing to see here.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh well, I think that can wait, especially since
they're already talking aboutreleasing more information.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That came out today.
Yeah, I know, Too little, toolate.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, well, I think it's going to be that you know
we'll see Okay late, okay.
Well, I think it's gonna bethat you know we'll see the okay
.
What we're talking about rightnow is the epstein client list
and the unsigned, undated memothat was there right.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
So which people thought, like tim pool, thought
it was fake originally and thenhe realized it wasn't, and then
he realized it wasn't, given theunsigned, undated nature and
the fact that what they releasedwas 11 hours of video, with the
one minute where he actuallydied missing, I thought that was

(03:17):
pretty funny you know, with theway this entire release of

(03:39):
information has gone all of iton all the first binder of
information they put out and nowthis rumored now that we're
going to get some moreinformation but, then there's so
much contradictory stuff here.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Either, I think, you can only believe one of two
things Either Trump is totallycompromised or there's something
big enough in this that they'rehaving to really be careful and
stage what they're doing, andthere's a fight going on right
now.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I agree, sorry, I'm eating here, but You're eating
somebody else's order.
Mm-hmm, I'm not going to noteat, it's just not what I
ordered.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Which is when did you order from this time, Gene?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh, it's Hawaiian sushi.
What do you call that?
Pokey Pokey?
Yeah, it's actually my favoritepokey place.
Occasionally they fuck uporders, but usually the fuck up
entails like screwing up oneingredient that they forgot to
put in there.
Something clearly, they justgave me somebody else's order.

(04:40):
I had miso soup.
I got no miso soup.
I had a different order of thefish they got than what was
delivered, so somebody's got myorder probably but anyway
doesn't mean I'm not gonna eatthe bad, the wrong one I don't
know yeah, my take is that therevery likely is a fight or

(05:04):
battle or whatever you want tocall it going on because they've
been flip-flopping right.
This has not been a consistent,long-term cover-up kind of thing
where they're like, yeah,there's nothing here.
I mean we're still looking atit, but we're not, we're not
hopeful.
This was like we've got allthese boxes and we're going to
release everything and then theydon't.

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Then they did the whole skitwith the binders, which, frankly
, some of these YouTubers I'vebeen watching that were part of
that whole binder PR piece arevery upset right now.
They're like we've been used.
This is bullshit.
Like they used us as props totake people's attention off of

(05:47):
what was actually going on well,you know, I again, it depends.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
You either believe that there is something here and
we'll eventually see it, or youdon't.
And yeah, I don't know, man.
Man, I don't know what couldcause Dan Bogino and Kash Patel
to flip-flop the way they have,unless someone's either holding

(06:16):
a gun to their kid's head orthere's something bigger going
on.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Oh, come on, everyone's so dramatic with that
whole like oh, they've got tohave a gun to their kids' heads,
kind of stuff.
No, no, no, no, anybody in anyjob if their boss tells them.
By the way, don't forget thateverything you know about what
actually happened here is stillclassified and will likely

(06:43):
remain classified for 20 years,and that breaking that
classification is a felony.
That's all anyone has to do,and the people shut the fuck up
and not talk about it.
And the reason it's classifiedbecause I haven't seen any
better explanation than the oneI've been saying for a while now
is because this was always a usgovernment sanctioned operation

(07:07):
.
Jeffrey epstein was not somedude doing this by himself, nor
was he employed by the jews.
He was working as an employeefor the us government I mean
senior dude so okay.
Well, if we're gonna look atlast names, why is it that 95%

(07:28):
of all shootings in the UnitedStates are committed by
Christians?
I think we ought to ban gunsfor Christians.
Only let them juice them.
We're going to look at lastnames.
I mean, you want to use stats?
I'll be happy to use stats.
It's not going to look good,dude.
I am just joking with you I know, but besides we know you're my
massage handler, so I shouldwatch it no such thing anyway,

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my point is that if it's, ifit's a foreign government
operation, there's certainlypros and cons to way to provide
any information about somebodythat was engaged in a government
sanction activity If it wasn'tthe U S government sanction,

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right.
So there there's.
There's certainly ways to getaround that too, by lying about
who he was and what he was doing, but to actually just keep all
information locked up aftersaying we're going to get to the
bottom of it before they hadaccess.
Now they've both seen it, theyboth talked about it, how
they've seen all the files, butthey can't say anything.

(08:38):
All they can say is there'snothing there.
Well, it's pretty obvious to methat the nothing there and the
reason no one's talking about it, it's not because, like trump's
all over it.
I mean, I know some people arepushing that line.
I don't think that's too likely.
I I have also been pushing orpushing, publishing quotes from

(08:59):
trump about epstein throughoutthe 90s.
They were buddy buddies.
Like Trump fell for this hookline and sinker.
He clearly had no idea whoEpstein was working for or what
he was doing.
As far as Trump's concerned,he's another rich dude that
likes babes.
But that doesn't mean thatTrump is into kiddie porn.

(09:21):
It just means that Trump'salways liked chicks and I mean
one thing we can be sure ofTrump's not gay.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah.
One thing I'll say, though, is,for instance, people have made
a big deal out of, you know, thereporter asking Trump a
question, and he'd go why are wetalking about that?
There's other things.
I mean he's in the middle oftalking about the flood in Texas
that we'll get to things.
I mean he's in the middle oftalking about the flood in texas
that we'll get to, and yeah, itwas pretty, you know, like, hey

(09:50):
, let this, we're talking abouta tragedy here, let's focus on
this.
So I, I don't know, that's theway I I see that I'm on the
other side of that.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I.
I think that was probably worsefor him to do to minimize
Epstein when literallyeverybody's talking about it.
Then it was for him to, or forthe department to just not have
any info about it, because nowit looks like you're not what he
should have.
Here's what he should have said.
It's like, guys, I alwayswanted to get to the bottom of

(10:24):
the whole obscene thing.
You know, I and I I pickedpeople that I trusted to do it
and they did it and they pouredthrough all the documents.
Turns out there was nothingthere.
I'm not happy about that.
I'm going to direct them tocontinue looking for more
information, but what we haveright now indicates there's

(10:44):
nothing there like that wouldhave been the correct pr answer.
Instead, he starts railing on areporter that asked about a
legitimate question aboutliterally the hottest topic
going on on the news cycle rightnow, and it's not just on x.
Every liberal tv channel istalking about this.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, I mean, have you watched any of what Luke
Rudkowski has been saying?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, I mean, I've seen what he posts on X.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, he ended on his channel, but I haven't seen his
channel.
Well, he is rather pissed, tosay the least, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So Well, and Luke's been there.
In fact, that was one of mytweets.
Yeah, he was one of the guysthat went to Epstein Island.
Some of the videos that you seewere shot by him, that
everyone's using.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Which cha-ching On royalties?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, hopefully.
It all depends if he sold it orif he kept it.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, he may have sold the rights Well regardless
what this boils down to for me,yeah, yeah, what this boils down
to for me is hey look, this isnot the best way to go about
this, but we're not just donehere yet.

(12:08):
We have to figure out are theygoing to release more
information?
Is any of this going to comeout like if we're, if we're a
year or two down the road andstuff still hasn't come out or
whatever, and we haven't seenheads roll, then okay, that's
not a great look.
But given everything else thatis going on you know, james

(12:31):
Comey and Clapper gettingcriminal investigations, things
like that that's pretty goodstuff and you know, let's give
them time to work.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Let's see what comes out.
Does it really affect any of usas Americans, or does it just
affect Trump?
What do you mean?
Well, investigating Comey.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
It hugely affects.
How would it not affectAmericans?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Comey has no power in anything.
He's not in government, he's aprivate citizen working for a
think tank.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Okay, and he lied to the American people and he did a
lot of bad shit and I, you know, epstein is at least likely
dead, comey is alive, we don'tknow we never saw a body.
Yeah, that's why I said likely.

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So I don't know, man, I thinkit's pretty okay to have some
hope that some good stuff isstill going to come out of this.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Sure, hope's good.
Just don't get all the way outto the edge of hope and become a
Q.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Trust the plan.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Because the whole QAnon thing, I mean the liberals
have their own version of ittoo.
Yeah, exactly exactly but it'sI don't know.
I think it's better to be alittle more skeptical, a little
more pessimistic, and then havea pleasant surprise when things
actually go well.
That's generally been my mantra, but in this case I mean you're

(14:22):
also, you're also just bahhumbug fuddy-duddy.
Well, you say that, but I'm moreright than wrong.
I mean, that's the thing it'slike.
It's not like I'm operating ina mode that's different than
what the world is operating in.
I just I don't start off seeingthe best possible outcome and

(14:43):
then have to make adjustments asthings progressively get worse.
I start with one of the notnecessarily the worst, but
certainly a much worse outcomeas the probability and then
adjust that as things change.
You know, as we were gettingcloser to the election day, the
likelihood of Trump gettingelected was going up and up, and

(15:03):
I was starting to say that, andwe were talking about how you
know, I thought he had going upand up and I was starting to say
that, and we were talking abouthow you know, I thought he had
no chance in hell.
Now I'm saying it's got apretty good chance.
There's no guarantees,obviously, but it sure seems
like he's got a way betterchance now than he did four
years ago and, sure enough, hewins.
So I don't know, man, it's nota good look.

(15:24):
Yeah, this is something weprobably agree on.
It's like, no matter how youslice this, this was a major
ding in trump's armor.
This, this, definitely.
I don't know how many peopleare gonna stick to what they're
saying, but there's probably agood 20, 25% of people that were
rah-rah MAGA that are sayingit's the same shit as before.

(15:49):
I'm not voting for Trump or hiscronies again.
And that plays right into theother topic, which is finally
the formation of Elon's otherparty.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, well, that's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Ah, okay, who's the pessimist now?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
well, I mean it's.
First of all, did you see nickfredis's stuff on it?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I was just gonna bring it up.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I watched the whole episode yeah, I think
they're pretty right now, can he?
I'm having to type in apassword.
Can he sway?
Can he sway voters in a few keyraces and get some power that
way?
Yeah, sure, but that's all he'sgoing to be able to do it's a.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
He doesn't need to become president here, unlike
everybody else can?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well, he can't.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Exactly so all he needs to do and he outlined it
when he was talking about it onX.
The goal here isn't to replacethe Republican Party.
The goal is to make America amulti-party country, like a lot

(17:04):
of European countries are.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
But that we can't be, Well, we can.
We really can't because of theRight, but you understand why we
have two parties Structurally.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Why don't you go ahead and tell me?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
So, structurally, the reason why we have two parties
is because we haven't firstpassed the post system and so as
soon as we get 51, you win.
There is no coalition.
You cannot have a presidentwith less than 51 of the

(17:43):
electoral college yeah, I don'tthink Trump is talking about the
presidency whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You mean Musk Musk?
Yeah, he's talking aboutsenators.
Okay, yeah, sure, first andforemost, and how many?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
third-party senators have we had over the years?
In my political lifetime maybefive or six.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, three or four.
And most of them weredisaffected democrats or
libertarians, yeah I don't knowof a single actual libertarian
that was elected well, notelected, but I think rand paul
dropped out of the republicanparty no, he hasn't you, are you

(18:23):
sure?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
All right, that's pretty sure he dropped out, but
either way, I mean certainlyMassey will.
I think that it's not a badapproach because if you focus in
and you start with specificallythe Senate, all you have to do
is get four people Four peopleelected that are going to be

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effectively providing thedecision-making power, because
the other two blocks are alwaysgoing to vote together or
against each other.
So you're effectively going tohave this third party, the one
that actually makes the decisionwhether a bill gets out to a
signature of president or notokay, and if you did it smartly,

(19:20):
what he would?
do would be to take the two mostvulnerable Republican seats in
the Senate and the two mostvulnerable Democrat seats in the
Senate.
Take two from each.
By spending a shit ton of moneyto get the right candidates in,
dates in, and then, assumingthese four people don't squabble

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with each other, you got a anopportunity to absolutely cement
in a real three-party and havea coalition-based system.
Now you, on top of that, if youcan manage to do a similar
thing in the house it's a littlemore difficult, but could be
done you'd have to.
Your block would probably haveto be about 30 people, but you
could do it it's just the senate.

(20:10):
You could do it with as few asfour.
And then, once again, you,you've got major control.
You're.
You're essentially getting todecide on every topic, every
bill, which of the two proposalsare better.
It does not matter who's inpower at that point.
It doesn't matter if theRepublicans control the House,
the Republicans control theSenate or Democrats control

(20:32):
either one, because neitherparty would have an absolute 51
majority 51%.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, unless you piss off the Republicans and
Democrats to the point wherethey actually start working
together, which would behilarious.
That's fine too.
Point where they actually startworking together, which would
be hilarious.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
That's fine too, you know.
I just think that way too manypeople have just assumed it's
impossible to do this.
Well, Musk's spent his wholelife doing things that other
people assume are impossible.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, we will see.
He's got the money, he can doit, but whether or not it
actually translates into anyreal change or power.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's a whole separate.
I'm not holding my breath onthat one.
Yeah, I'm too early to predictanything on that, but could he
do something like that?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I think he's going to run into is especially when he
says he wants to be moderate andcenter of the road.
Well, on gun control, thatmeans you want to take my guns
or you're not going to take theguns enough Like I.
Just, I think he's going tofind out that that doesn't
inspire anyone, I guess.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Maybe, maybe we'll see what happens.
But it's you know, I still runthe, the linkedin nra group.
Technically okay and one of theground rules that I came up with

(21:57):
back 18 years ago when I firststarted it was that this is a
group for people that aremembers of the nra and who
believe in the second amendmentand enjoy guns.
Within that requirement, wedon't care if you're a

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republican, democrat,libertarian or anybody else.
So there won't be any or therehasn't been.
I mean, well, there has, butwe've kicked people out.
But the point is there's nopolitical, general political
conversation there.
Nobody should be assuming,because you're in an NRA,
clearly you're going to voteRepublican.
That's a bad assumption.

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But likewise it's a badassumption to think that you're
going to get a bunch of peoplethat are Democrats in there that
are gone nuts as well.
So, because we've always got asituation where some people are
going to be in the minority, thepoint of the group and there's
a reason I'm bringing all thisup is to focus on the thing that

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we have in common, which is ourbelief in the Second Amendment,
and there's a reason I'mbringing all this up is to focus
on the thing that we have incommon, which is our belief in
the Second Amendment and ourlove and enjoyment of guns.
And when you focus on thosethings what you start realizing
very quickly that everybody,from libertarians to Republicans
, democrats, even people thatare otherwise very socialistic,

(23:24):
have a common ground and cantalk about actions that can be
done on the things that they allagree on.
I think that same kind ofapproach is what Musk is going
to end up using for this newparty.
So if their contention issueshis gun, the party just does not

(23:46):
have a platform on guns.
That question is just notanswered we'll see.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Maybe he can do it, maybe we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It would certainly go a long way to get rid of the
uniparty if he can break theuniparty establishment, then
great.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I am waiting to see if he can actually do it, even
if it's temporary right, let'ssay he manages to get like four
people into the Senate.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Even if all that does is motivate Republicans to not
elect RINOs, just so they canhave enough actual Republicans
in there, that would be a win.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, we'll see.
So well, since you used the gunanalogy, do you want to talk
about the new lawsuits?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, so one of the things I can start it off and
then I'll swallow some food andyou can talk about it.
One of the things that came outof the big beautiful bill, as
it's so-called, is a lowering ofthe taxes on items that were
part of the NFA to $0.

(25:09):
Now I had predicted or I, I, Iwas hoping it wouldn't happen,
but I kind of figured thatsomebody would be smart enough
to realize you can't have it bezero because it's tax, and they
would have changed it to onedollar.
Thankfully, nobody had enoughbrains to do that, and so it
actually passed with zerodollars, which means now you've

(25:31):
got a tax and it is a tax,because this actually went to
the supreme court in, I think,1938 or something 34 somewhere
around there, and the argumentswhich kept the nfa from being
unconstitutional was it was atax-based argument.
It was essentially saying look,no one is banning guns, no one's

(25:54):
banning fully automatic rifles.
What we're doing is we'reputting in a hefty tax on it,
which Congress absolutely hasthe power to do.
So I still think it was a badbill, obviously from the get-go,
but nonetheless it passed.
And then Supreme Court agreedthat, since this was a tax, it

(26:17):
was within the purview ofCongress to pass in the present
site become law of the land.
So now that the tax amount hasbeen reduced to zero, what you
have is effectively a bunch ofrules for items that are taxed
at a rate of zero, and thoserules extend to the fact that

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you need to not only pass abackground check but you need to
provide bio data, you need toprovide fingerprints, you need
to provide a photograph, so allthese things that otherwise have
been ruled as unenforceable forgun ownership.
So there's the conundrum.

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Now a few organizations,including.
I love the fact that PalmettoState's part of this too.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Oh yeah, I mean, they're a fairly interested
party now that they're sellingsuppressors, yep.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Mm-hmm.
So yeah, it's a good point.
I hadn't thought about that.
But you're absolutely right,because they're like the
government is preventing themfrom making more money.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yep exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
But the GOA, which is kind of the main group lately,
that's kind of Gun Owners ofAmerica for legislative action,
used to do for the nra back 20years ago.
You know nra kind of aged outwith a lot of the boomers and,

(27:41):
uh, really stopped being much ofa political entity the way it
used to be and frankly, it hadsome leadership problems where
people were coming in that werenot altogether gun.
you know, friends I don't knowhow to describe it Like after
Charlton Heston stopped beingthe president of the NRA, I

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think things kind of started.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Charlton Heston was okay, but he was unaffected.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well, he was already old when he got that role, but
yeah, either way, the point is,the GOA has been doing a bang up
job.
I encourage everybody to joinit.
It's only 25 bucks a year andthe benefit now, of course, is
that since they filed the firstlawsuit, the lawsuit determined

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will be applied strictly to thegroups that sued and their
members, which means whilePalmetto State is great that
they're joining.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what Wait?
So they are looking at this asa potential class as well.
So they're going to try andcertify a class on this.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
They can.
The Supreme Court sorry,they've already talked about
that.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, and they said that the way you can do a
universal injunction is throughclass action.
So they're going to certify aclass that every gun owner who
wants to own a suppressor is inthe class is in the class and
considering that the illegalaliens and birthright

(29:22):
citizenship class said anyillegal aliens and their
potential offspring.
You know, I I think we can getthe class is what I'm saying.
I don't think so.
I don't think it depends on thejudge not really okay, whatever
then we have to wait for it togo to the supreme court, but
whatever yeah, exactly, it'll go, it'll have I.
I really think you're wrong onthis.

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I think we'll be able to getthe class.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
We'll see, we'll see if we are.
That's great, but won't matterfor me because I'm part of the
goa and anybody who is a memberat the time of the ruling will
get the results applied to them.
So if the net outcome of thislawsuit is that you're right, I
should join the GOA.
I can't believe you're not init.

(30:06):
I just can't do it, man.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Why it's $25, dude.
It's not that, it's just that Idon't think they do enough.
So it's part of the reason whyI don't ever date the NRA or
join the NRA.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well, you don't get much these days from the NRA.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'll agree with that but but hey, I'm a Palmetto
state customer, so maybe that'llcome out.
Palmetto state customer.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, you may need to be a customer of theirs who
bought a silencer too, buteither way it's, I certainly
encourage everybody to join thegroups that are suing.
I think there's eight or ninenow that are part of the lawsuit
.
Goa are the guys that startedit.
I think they probably are themost legally focused.

(30:55):
That's.
That's.
All they do is sue thegovernment.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, and work on legislation yeah.
But what I mean is they don'tdo training programs or other
shit that NRA used to do, right,yes, Because I was an NRA
instructor a long long time agoand I'm signing into PayPal to
send them the $25 right now.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
There you go, Perfect .
Now I will tell you.
The downside, though, is beforeyou send them yes, Like every
other day you get an email fromthem.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I literally have to delete hundreds of emails a day.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
And the unsubscribe button does not fucking work on
half of them.
It absolutely does not.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I have 62,811 unread emails right now.
Hold on, let me do this, andthen I'll tell you what's in my
old.
Gmail account because it'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
So bottom line is if you join them, you will be part
of the, the group that the thefinal order is applied to, no
matter what.
As far as whether it's going tobe a class action or not, who
knows it may be.
I think that's less likely, butit won't matter.
If you join the goa god knowsamerica I mean you could also
join the juice for thepreservation of joined the GOA,

(32:18):
god knows America.
I mean you could also join theJews for the Preservation of
Firearms.
They're a good group, beenaround since the late 80s, so I
think we have a path.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Just so you know in my Gmail that I use for a lot of
spam and everything.
124 846.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
You got me an unread email yeah, yeah, yeah, you got
me beat for sure, I've half thatwell, I've had this account
since gmail was in beta mm-hmm,mm-hmm all right, I am not
officially member of Owners ofAmerica.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Very good.
So, yes, it's good that there'sa path forward.
The bad part is it's probablygoing to take three years or
longer.
The law doesn't actually apply,yeah, but the law doesn't kick
in until January.
That doesn't matter, matter nopethey've already filed the

(33:20):
lawsuit yeah, I know they'vefiled the lawsuit, dude, but it
I've been dealing with a lawsuithere for the last five months
and going through the courtsystem is freaking molasses.
It is just a very slow processwhere everything takes weeks and
weeks, and weeks.

(33:40):
And we know if you want alawsuit that goes all the way up
to the Supreme Court, itobviously has to go through all
the intermediate levels as well,which takes forever.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
So there are a couple things.
One, the lawsuit can proceedbefore this goes into effect.
If they do find itunconstitutional and remove
those items functionally fromthe NFA, the lower court may
even say this is totally.
The NFA itself isunconstitutional with this being
removed.
And if you want to reinstituteit you will have to.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
They could, but again , I think what you're talking
about are low probabilityfactors.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
True you file the lawsuit beforehand?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
absolutely.
Can the decision be madebeforehand?
Nope, because you have to showdamages.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
There are no damages here no, because it's not a
constitutional issue.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
You don't have to show damages here you, if you've
got a, a tax, that this is nolonger.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
This is no longer apply yet this is now no longer
a tax therefore, the nfa itselfis not constitutional.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's no longer a tax that doesn't exist yet until
january.
That's part of the bill, dude.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
There's a six month delay before this gets applied
actually it's worded a littledifferently and because it was
passed, I think it actually goesin to affect the next quarter.
Is my understanding?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
nope, so whether or not, that what the washington
lawyer said, so it startsJanuary.
I trust him.
Okay, well, you know, the guywas talking about the Washington
state, washington gun law, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Regardless, it will be interesting to see.
Is this the answer we wanted?
No, no, but the legal actionthat's being taken place and
actually the fact that thesegroups are communicating and
splitting up what they're goingto do across different avenues,
so if one lawsuit fails, youhave two others taking two
different approaches.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I would love it if there was lawsuits from like 30
or 40 states all happening andthere's nothing to stop attorney
generals from rejoining theseas well.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, and that's the thing, is Texas very well may
considering our suppressor,Because we have a law about
suppressors.
Yeah exactly yes, and so Texascan say hey, federal government,
you have now given up yourright to to regulate this, yeah,
so I would love to see that.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I mean that that could be.
That I totally agree couldactually happen much sooner is
that we could end up with adecision in texas for texas
residents early next year.
That would just effectively say, yep, nfa doesn't exist.
Which would be fantastic.
Which would be fantastic, Iagree, but it'd be nice to put

(36:29):
the final nail in the coffin ofthis thing, yep, and just get
rid of it.
Now I also read a little bit,but not much more, in the
headlines today that doge,apparently, is got their
wrecking ball big time in atfright now yes, they do, which is
also awesome yeah, which isvery good, because that that's

(36:54):
something that I'm sure.
The dollar amounts are muchsmaller, which is is why they
waited until now to do it.
These were not the big, hugenumbers of reductions that could
happen, but nonetheless they'refinding all kinds of crap that
you know misapplied payments toall kinds of things and phony,
fake titles given to people toincrease salaries, the

(37:19):
deputization of differentdepartments where they were
double and triple dipping toreceive funds.
I think they're well, let's putit this way, being a pessimist.
I don't think they'll findenough to completely shut down
that agency, like they have the.
What's the one that got shutdown?
The?
You know the big one that gotshut down that agency, like they
have the.
What's the one that gets shutdown?

(37:39):
The?
You know the big one that gotshut down?
Usa, yeah, that one, like usaid, is gone.
There's no usa anymore, right?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
so I don't think they're gonna have enough to
shut down.
I disagree because I think whatthey're going to do is shut
down.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I disagree, because I think what they're going to do
is collapse atf into the fbi.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean,but there will no, no longer be
an atf.
There will be.
Fbi will have functions thatatf used to perform.
It won't be a separate agency.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, I, the atf's legitimate functions will be
rolled into the fbi.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, I think that's very clear yeah, and I will say
the fbi is definitely under morepressure than the atf's ever
been.
Is the atf only under pressuregenerally from lawsuits and from
a few states that lawsuits andfrom a few states that dislike
it, but for the most part,states that have both pro and

(38:40):
anti-gun voters they just don'tput any legislation up that
affects the ATF FBI, though evenstates that are anti-gun have
issues with the FBI Everyone hasissues with the FBI.

(39:00):
Exactly have issues with the fbi.
Everyone has issues with thefbi, exactly.
So the fbi can't as easily I'mnot saying they can't at all,
but they can't as easily getaway with shit the way the atf
has where they just literallycreate law out of whole you know
nothing, out of thin air, or atleast what they enforce as
though it were laws.
So so even if the ATFdisappeared but the functions
were rolled into the FBI, thatwould still be a big win in my

(39:23):
book.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, except the FBI has a way bigger budget.
So does that mean, they enforcethings more, or you know what.
What's what so it'll?
It'll all very much depend onthe specifics of what we get A
out of the NFA and B what otherthings get rolled back before
that happens.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
The analogy I would use here is like if the ATF is
like a county sheriff'sdepartment, the FBI is the state
sheriff's department.
States don't have sheriff'sdepartments.
Well, what am I thinking of?
States have what state troopers?
What are those who do theyreport to dps?
In texas okay well, I don'tknow, I do states.

(40:06):
Well, how about?
Uh texas has the, the rangers?
Right, texas rangers, yeah,yeah there you go, so we'll just
substitute that for point beingthat that's not a good example,
because there aren't that manyrangers, but well, my point was
going to be that cities and evencounties do a lot of bad that
they get away with because thepeople there keep re-electing

(40:29):
them.
It's a lot harder to get awaywith that level when you have
larger groups like whole statesdeal with, like there's a bunch
of cities that that uh havecorrupt sheriff's departments.
Yeah, maybe I should have usedlike city sheriff versus county
sheriff or the city police,don't have sure city police

(40:50):
department versus the countysheriff's office.
My point is I think these arethese are all good things.
They're marginally better, likemoving functionality away from
the atf and into the fbi, asmuch as there are problems with
the fbi we all know there'splenty of problems with the fbi
but nonetheless the scrutiny onthe fbi is much greater than it

(41:15):
is on the atf sure, and theability on the FBI is much
greater than it is on the ATFSure, and the ability of the
incoming administration tocurtail things within the FBI is
also greater than it is withthe ATF.
The ATF has just been operating.
You know they're lower on thetotem pole, less money in the
budget, and so they've been ableto just fuck around and get
away with shit, and I think ifthis moves to the FBIbi, the

(41:38):
chances of that become muchlesser.
But also I I recognize thestuff you brought up, which is
the fbi has a lot more people.
They could at least temporarilydedicate a much bigger task
force to doing the job that theatf was.
I don't know, man.
It's also a different group ofpeople Like.

(42:03):
The people going to work at theATF are a self-selected group
of people who hate guns or, moreimportantly, they don't hate
guns.
They want to play with guns.
They hate gun owners.
People going into the fbi andother branches are not
self-selecting the same way thatpeople applying for a job at
the atf are self-selecting.

(42:26):
Okay I don't know if I agreewith that well, I don't know why
you wouldn't, because it's true, it's the.
You know what the atf does andif you have an opportunity to
work at a government lawenforcement agency, the only
reason you would apply at theATF is if you think what they're
doing is not enough, of whatthey're doing, like you really

(42:50):
have to dislike gun owners towork there, dislike gun owners
to work there.
If you work at the FBI, youprobably dislike drug users to
some extent, more than otheragencies.
Maybe not as much as DEA.
Dea would have a hard-on fordrug users in a way greater than
other agencies.
But okay, so there's theexample DEA to drugs as ATF to

(43:15):
guns.
If you go and apply to work ineither of those branches, you
are not an average middle of therotor that has no opinion on
this topic.
You will be coming in with apredetermined opinion that
corresponds to the enforcementactivities of the organization.
In my, in my humble opinion andyou know I'm right- Okay, well,

(43:39):
I don't know.
I don't know that I 100% agreethe destruction and the removal
of ATF as an agency will be ahuge win in my book, even if
100% of what they've done justsimply gets transferred to the
FBI.
I think that would be good.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Well, we will see yeah see, yeah, yeah, I really
think it is going to happen theway things are going, but we'll
find out.
So we we got to talk about thetexas flood like we're too close
to this.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
both of us yeah, some of us are really close to it.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Did you see Brandon Herrera's interview on Fox?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
If it was today.
I have not.
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
It was a few days ago , but yeah, he came out and he
and some of the otherunsubscribed crew went down
there immediately and startedactually helping out
significantly.
On July 4th yeah, yeah, likethey were there, Yep, and that's
great so, and I think it's goodfor his political career, but I
think it's just who he isanyway.
Mm-hmm, people need to realizeyes, you know, hey, why wasn't

(44:54):
there more notice?
Why wasn't there this andeverything else?
Well, the weather alerts worked.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
But the problem is it's happening before in the
morning.
Yeah well, describe what'shappening to people that may be
less like our overseas folks.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Okay.
So if you are not payingattention to the news, in the US
we had the Guadalupe River herein the state of Texas.
Yeah, have a pretty, it's donethis a few times but this fairly
historic flood and a bunch ofpeople ended up dying 121 people
.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Huh 121 so far.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Is that the current?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, and they're still missing like 40 something.
Yeah, they're still missingpeople.
A lot of little girls,unfortunately, a lot of kids
that were at camps, yeah, Family, in fact one girl's.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
This is a heartbreaking story.
They found the dad and so theywere.
The parents and her littlebrothers were there to pick her
up, and the dad, the mom and thetwo little brothers are dead,
and she's the only one that madeit.
Damn so, can you?
I mean, can you imagine thesurvivor guilt that that little
girl?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
is gonna have she's like eight years old that's
crazy well and there's I guessthere's a story that they've got
evidence, or somebody describedthat the counselor basically
lost his life trying to save thekids, which you know it's.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
It's heartwarming to see people actually doing what
they should be, not notnecessarily losing their lives,
but just doing what needs to getdone well, anyway, what it
comes down to is this happenedin the middle of the night and a
lot of people have alertfatigue or whatever, and a lot
of people probably wouldn't eventhought, if they were in a

(46:31):
reasonably high area, to oh, Ineed to seek higher ground, but
the water rose over 21 feet in45 minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
And for our European friends, that's like six and a
half meters, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
So it is unfortunate, but the Guadalupe is an area
that has flooded.
We have seen these floodsbefore.
There is no, you know, oh,global warming or whatever.
Well, it's done this a fewtimes in the past.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, I think there's one in 92 or 93 that was 2002.
But the one I was looking atwas in the 90s.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I think it was a 92 yeah, but it's flooded this many
times all the way back thereyeah yeah, but anyway, the point
is, when rivers flood, you know, we my family used to have a
camp out on the sabine and therewere some floods that happened
and we got wiped out a couple oftimes because, the Sabine River

(47:42):
Authority had to open up thedam and you're there.
There's nothing you can do, sofloods happen, but the real
tragic part of this is how manypeople have lost their lives.
Yeah, people have lost theirlives.
Yeah, and you know that this,this camp was right there on the
, on the banks and looked like agreat place to send your kids.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
But then, man, this is what happens yeah, and I, you
know I don't know about you Idefinitely went to summer camp.
I remember, you know, kayakingand starting fires and doing all
kinds of stuff and it's.
It's something that I'm franklyvery happy to hear that it's
still happening, because I waspretty much ready.

(48:25):
Just assume that kids don't goto summer camp anymore, like
they don't interact with natureanymore, but it sounds like some
kids still do and then theyhave this strategy.
It's horrible.
And then you have thesecomplete assholes.
I mean way worse than the wordasshole degenerates.

(48:45):
That immediately startedpointing out the fact that, well
, this is a Christian camp, sowho cares?
Or these are white girls, sowho cares?
Or these are white girls, sowho cares?
It's like the level ofdepravity you have to have to

(49:10):
look at children and dismisstheir deaths because of your
political beliefs.
I'm like holy shit, man.
And these are Americans, thesearen't some foreigners.
These are not interviews iniran, right, talking about how
well we don't care about thekids killed by a flood in texas
like I would be much more okaywith that to have some country
that we just bombed have anegative opinion about americans

(49:32):
enough that, if a weather eventhappens to, to say something
harsh.
But to have people here inafrican austin, literally 40
miles from this, talking abouthow it's not a big deal, like
you fuckers, well, it's evil itis evil is the right word.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
It's genuinely evil, yeah, I mean.
So austin is 30 minutes fromthis area 40 minutes.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah, these are literally your neighbors, and
that's how you're going to act.
Totally.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
I really hope some of thesepeople's careers get destroyed
and karma bites them in the ass.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, and we can talk about cancel culture and
everything else, but at the sametime, it's I've never had a
problem with cancel culture.
I just think the Republicanshave never done enough of it.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I believe in balance I'm not opposed to the idea of
people making decisions thatkind of ostracize somebody.
Remember I told you that thescarlet letter was like.
You had a totally wronginterpretation of that book.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
The book was yeah, I read it a long, long time ago.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I know, but the idea that like no, you need to be.
It's a book about karma and thefact that is it fair and is it
good for somebody to be punishedafter the fact for something
that was, you know, notnecessarily a bad act in and of

(51:07):
itself, but kind of turned intoa bad act.
It's like you know, the bottomline is we have too many people
who don't think before they opentheir mouth.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I mean you and I kind of fall into that.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Well, but dude, I'm still self-censoring.
Oh boy, you ought to hear theshit that I'm thinking Like.
That's the thing.
If you had raw access to whatI'm actually thinking, not what
comes out of my mouth, I'dprobably be in prison right now.
But thankfully I've got enoughintellect to know the difference
between what I'm thinking andwhat I'm saying, and then that's

(51:46):
not a bad thing.
Like, freedom of speech doesn'tmean you have to go out there
and just be a total, you know,shock kind of use, nothing but
expletives kind of person.
Oh, I totally agree.
Yeah, and I think there's a timeand place for everything.

(52:08):
And I remember, shortly afterthe World Trade Center bombings
that gilbert godfrey had a joke,I think the next weekend about
it and and it had in in thepunch line was too soon.
I don't remember what theactual joke was, but it was
related to wtc and and a lot ofpeople were very much doing the

(52:29):
cancel culture to him beforethat word was even really around
.
But I I thought that like, lookthe guy, literally that's his
reputation is an insult comedianand of all the people where I
would have the least amount ofstandards for expectation, is

(52:52):
somebody like that, like,because comedians don't
necessarily mean what they sayin the first place.
Other people you never know, butin this particular, to be clear
this is a comedic podcast yes,it's well, that's what we're
filed under, I'm pretty sureyeah, those were not a podcast

(53:14):
exactly, but the bottom line isit was a horrible incident.
Well over 100 people dead.
Many of those children, goodchuckle white girls, so that
makes it the extra bad.
And then you know what can youdo.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I don't know that it makes it extra bad, but it's
just a tragedy.
Well, they clearly don'tappreciate white girls as much
as I do.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
So if we look at weather events weather events,
though, just to slightly movethe topic something's going on,
dude.
I'm not saying it's globalwarming, but something's going
on.
Did you see the yesterdaywashington dc had a tornado
warning?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
no, but all I know is we've been had a very, very
cool summer so far.
Yeah, yeah, cool summer, butdude, there's never been a
tornado warning in Washington DCuntil yesterday.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Okay, so what happened?
Well, luckily a tornado didn'tspin up, but the conditions were
all there.
It looked like.
Looking at the photos fromyesterday, it looked like
exactly what I would rememberfrom living in minnesota in the
midwest, when you got the bigtornado clouds forming.
We literally have clouds movingin the sky in two freaking
different directions at the sametime.

(54:28):
It's like, oh, we might have,we might have a twister coming
down here, and while I didn't godown to do any kind of rescue
or cleanup operations this time,I have done that in the past
for tornadoes where and you know, when there was flooding and
damage and stuff to volunteer togo and help people that cannot
help themselves elderly orotherwise incapable and it's

(54:54):
again.
It's something that used to bekind of like a standard
expectation of for people to do,like, if you're capable of
helping, you're going to go andhelp.
Well, you should, yeah you knowif if I lived closer to the area
, I would too you know, I wouldhave spent my weekend doing that
but yeah yeah exactly, and andI I did see a few of the

(55:16):
youtubers I watched few of thegamers go down there.
In fact, one of the guys thatthat's.
I don't know if he's a regular,but he's definitely been on the
unsubscribe cast.
I know he went down there witha few other streamers as well,
but it's you also want to checkbefore you head down to make
sure that they can actually useyou, because what you don't need

(55:36):
is to be just kind of crowdingaround, taking up parking spaces
and getting in the way ofpeople that are trying to get
rescue operations going yeah,yeah well and you know lots of
states have brought in, you know, help and it's, it's, it's, but

(55:57):
man, the it's, it's a tragedyfor the area.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
The area is going to take a while to recover.
But one of the things I thinkpeople need to realize is when
they get a weather alert likethat, if you're in a river basin
or know that, you know you'reclose to a river you should know
that.
Hey, hey, I may need to get tohigh ground.
Where is higher ground?
and what the plan is with yourkids.

(56:21):
And you know, like that dadlet's say he even saw that alert
well, he's got two little kids,two little boys with him and
his wife, and he's probablythinking you know what?
We're in a cabin, we're okay,even if it floods a little bit.
It's better than taking themout in the storm.
You know all that.
You've got to realize thatthere are times when the only

(56:45):
safe thing to do is to run andget to a better place and even
if it makes it really reallyhard.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I was.
I got stuck in a flash flood in.
I can't remember if it was NewMexico or Arizona, I think it
was New Mexico, still beforecrossing over into Arizona.
So I was driving down thehighway from California towards
Texas, and I can't rememberwhich highway, but you know one
of them and driving along,driving along your highway, is

(57:16):
pretty empty.
You know cruise set at 85 orwhatever, and then I noticed
that it looked like there's somepeople hitting their brakes up
ahead.
It was still not very crowded,so I thought I don't know
somebody's pulling off the roador whatever, and I just kept
driving but slowed down a littlebit.
And as I got closer, I see thecars were literally stopping in

(57:36):
front of me.
And it wasn't a huge number, itwas maybe like three or four
cars, but they were literallylike slowing way the fuck down
to under 20 miles an hour aheadof me and I thought, okay, well,
I don't know what the fuckthey're doing.
I don't want to.
If it's a police trap or somebullshit, I don't want to deal
with it.
So I took the the first exitbefore I got to that point and

(57:57):
the exit was an overpass.
So there's a up to a bridgethat crossed over the highway,
so obviously it slowed down tothe stop sign at the exit.
But by the time I got to thestop sign of the exit, I saw
what was behind, what wasfurther down the highway and
what was quickly approaching wasa fucking flash flood that
covered the entire highway andwas coming up from the right

(58:20):
side whatever road that was onas well.
So, thankfully, where I sawthis from, I was basically on
the on-ramp or I guess.
Yeah, well, it was a, it was anoverpass, so it was basically I
was coming up to the bridgeover the highway, over the
interstate, and so I juststopped there.
I'm like, okay, blinkers on.
I'm about 50 feet higher thaneverybody else here.

(58:43):
This is a good place to to be.
I can't get to anywhere evenhigher.
I mean, that's all going to beblocked off.
So I just sat there.
Thankfully most of the carsunderneath had like backed up
and followed the up ramp to getoff the highway as well, and we
all said I think there's abouteight or nine cars of us that
sat there as this flash floodlike went from you know a foot

(59:07):
of water to probably about fourand a half five feet of water.
I don't think it got much overfive feet, but it covered it
like we were on an island.
That little overpass with thebridge was an island.
The highway underneath wasflooded and both sides of the
crossroad that we were on thebridge of was also underwater
and the water.
When you get these flash floodsit's not like slow moving water

(59:30):
.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
The water was moving, a good 20 miles an hour oh, or
better, or better yeah, I mean,you're looking.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I was like, yeah, this is not something you're
gonna outrun, and and andthere's always gonna be some
idiot that decides that if hegoes fast enough he could just
kind of hop his car over thewater and come out on the other
side.
So there's one of those guysand and the car made it about 20
feet into the water and thenthe engine died and so that that

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car got some major damage as aresult of stupidity.
But everybody else the rest ofus just sat there for about half
an hour.
Blood came and then, much moreslowly, it receded.
Everything was covered with mud, including the actual
interstate, but the water hadreceded enough that we could all

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just get back on the road andthen, you know, hopefully get
off the path.
That was too muddy becausethere's still asphalt underneath
.
It just meant you couldn't gofast because you could slide.
But yeah, I remember that tripprobably added an extra hour and
a half minimum to my planneddrive time because of getting

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that flash flood.
I didn't hear any alerts, Ididn't see anything.
It was just, thankfully, I waspaying attention to cars in
front of me and my instantreaction to not want to get
stuck in some kind of a policerelated thing and just to drive
around it.
That led me up to get up on thebridge and I I think that

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definitely helped keep my carsafe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, well, there you go.
I haven't ever been in a flashflood, but you know, like I said
, we had that river camp andI've been there when they were
opening the locks and everythingand it's, it's amazing how fast
water can rise, yeah, and theraw power of water is just
tremendous water is heavy man.
There's a lot of energy inthere yes, a lot of an, a lot of

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energy, yeah, yeah absolutelyso.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
You know, hopefully this isn't going to repeat
anytime time that you know anytime.
I was going to say within ourlifetimes, but it'll probably
repeat within our lifetimes, buthopefully not anytime soon.
Yeah, and it probably was goodfor the lakes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
How so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Well, lakes in Texas tend to dry up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah, but I mean anyway, we, just I, I would
screw the lakes.
I'd rather not have lost thehundreds of people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, yeah absolutely no, I agree with that.
But yeah, so it was this.
It was the tornado warning indc and then there's something
else that happened that wasweather related recently.
That seemed extremely unusual.
I'm trying to remember what itwas.
Oh, it was a.
I think it was a hailstorm inChicago also in the last couple
of days.
Like this is not the time ofyear that Chicago would get hail

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anywhere up north.
You get that in the early tomid spring or really late fall.
You wouldn't get it in July.
So something's up and I so Iposted it.
I'm like, well, someone'srunning a weather machine.
I just don't think it's us well, that's a whole different point

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.
Yeah, somebody of course, had topost a reply with well, it's
the Jews.
So you know what else is new?
Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Grok.
You know Grok is based now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yes, grok was.
It's another good story.
Grok had apparently joined theSS at some point before being
upgraded Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Did you see Linda Iaccarino resigned.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I did, I did.
I already posted a tweet aboutthat.
I nominated Asmund Gold to bethe next CEO.
We'll see if Elon Musk gets mymessage.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I doubt Asmund would, but that's okay.
How funny would that be?
I mean, he is on X.
X would go bankrupt.
No, x would not go bankrupt,come on, why would X?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
go bankrupt.
I am.
X would go bankrupt.
No, x would not go bankrupt.
Come on, why would X gobankrupt?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Because Asmund doesn't have experience.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
No, what do you know about Asmund?
I've watched his streams, some,okay.
Do you know anything about him,though?

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
A little bit, I know he runs a computer company.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
You know he's a multimillionaire.
Yeah but Okay, and he's got acomputer company.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yes, I know he has a computer company.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Okay, he's got to be the most frugal person I've ever
seen, which you know.
You talk about Musk wanting tosave money and shave things and
fire people.
I think what Musk did wouldhave been a start of what asmode
would have done for firingpeople from x.
So obviously it's not going tohappen.

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It's it's just a fun tweet, butboy, how enjoyable and
hilarious would it be if if heended up being even considered
for a position like that.
That would that would be justfreaking awesome.
I like Asman because now,speaking of Asman, there's an
example of a Musk party guy.

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He is definitely not aconservative, but he also has
mostly conservative viewpoints.
He's got a couple of guns, buthe's not really a hugely gun guy
.
But he's got a couple of gunsbut he's not really a hugely gun
guy, but he's a pro gun guy.
You know, in a lot of ways Ithink he is the demographic of

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somebody that would belegitimately not like to try and
game the system butlegitimately legitimately join
Musk's party.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Well, we'll find out, but yeah, so, grok, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, grok said that Hitler was right, literally like
there's screenshots and I don'tknow what the hell happened in
Grok.
But for the last week of Grok3's existence, before they
upgraded it to Grok 4, grokdefinitely eased up on any kind
of censorship controlswhatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yeah well, apparently there was some fuckery from a
user that prompted this, which Ihave to believe cannot be true
yeah, I don't believe that, Idon't buy that story multiple
people posted images.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
It wasn't like one guy got a pro-nazi message.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
There was multiple people saying, holy shit, I
can't believe one of the storieswas that basically through one
guy doing prompt hacking, causedthe entire model to go this way
.
Yeah, I don't believe that atall.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
It's not like there's one Grok sitting there that
you're talking to.
Yeah, exactly there are manyinstances of Grok.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, that are all containerized Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Not because even security, but because it's
cheaper right cool the momentyou can get something like a
grok that basically says hey,check to see if Ben is on and
then start an encrypted sessionbetween the two of us, like that

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would be cool.
But also, and then start anencrypted session between the
two of us, like that would becool.
But also, why would they dosomething that would cost them
money Okay.
Right, but I mean you couldtheoretically set something up
where you could use Grok similarto like Signal.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Okay, but again, why no they?

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
wouldn't.
That's my point.
It's like just because you cantheoretically doesn't mean
anyone will ever practically.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Alrighty, so what other stories we got, gene I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I got a scroll through my messages to see what
all I was sending you links onwell, I know you sent me the
Nick Freitas thing yeah for theyour fault blaming him for
everything.
Yeah, which is pretty good.
I had already seen that.
You saw my messages about armedattorneys Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
By the way, while Gene is doing this, I will give
a tip that Gene didn't realizehe had seen, but if you're
looking for some entertainingvideos that will teach you a
little bit, the fat electricianis fantastic oh, yeah, yeah, I
just didn't realize his storyand everything he's not fat man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
He's barely overweight.
He's just more big phone thananything like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Anyway, he he like some of his stories, like the
one on the barary pirates.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
He's a very good storyteller.
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
And the.
You know I I consider myselfpretty damn knowledgeable about
lots of history, but Holy crap,Some of the little details and
the way he brings it together,yeah, His style of storytelling
is very good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
In fact, I forwarded one of his stories to a guy that
I consider one of the beststorytellers that I've ever met,
because I I told him well, yougotta, you gotta, listen to this
.
This is amazing.
Have you heard his story aboutthe last time that america got
into a fight with the iraniannavy?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
yes, yeah, when we do the proportional, yeah, yeah,
the yeah, yeah that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
I've, literally I've, like I've watched other people
even reacting to that storymultiple times.
Most of his stories are very,very good.
He sounds very practiced, likeeither the guy is just really
good at just the Englishlanguage or he's just very good

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at, you know, speakingeloquently and clearly when he's
reading a prompter, and I don'teven care which one it is,
because, as somebody thatwatches the video, it just is
very good.
It's very high quality.
Completely did not realize hisname was fat electrician, though
well, his name is nick, butyeah, yeah, because he did like

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there's nothing electricityrelated in his videos, because
most people, but he's literallya tradesman electrician well,
apparently but I mean mostpeople I watch that have the
word electrician something inthe title of their channel.
They're doing something withthat?
He definitely not.
And as far as fat dude, helooks like every other YouTube

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streamer.
He's not fat at all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Well, I mean, it would take two of him to equal
you, but you know, Fuck you verymuch.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
He is slightly overweight maybe, but no
different than pretty muchanyone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
He's got at least 100 pounds on me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Well, you're not on YouTube.
That's why that's what I'msaying.
Youtube just makes you look fat.
That's pretty much what it is.
You know how they say TV adds20 pounds, youtube adds 100
pounds.
That's how that works.
Yeah, so that's well worthwatching.
We're not going to give you alink.
You can type it into the searchbar yourself.

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Fat electrician on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, the fat electrician, the fat electrician
on youtube.
Yeah, the fat electrician, thefat and I I've really enjoyed a
lot of the unsub stuff recentlytoo, like um, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
just I don't watch it mainly because the guy sitting
on the right he's so eli,fucking gay.
Yeah, I cannot stand watchingit because of him, why he's just
too gay, can't deal with it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I mean Donut Operator I'm not a huge fan of either.
I'm not a huge fan of DonutOperator.
I don't mind him.
He's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
That's a different level of faggotry being in law
enforcement.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah, yeah yeah, and frankly, watching him in anime
cartoons has kind of grown on meso I'm starting to get used to
him.
But Eli is just like the typeof person I would never
associate with in real life.
And when I say gay I'm talkingabout 1980s definition of gay,
not necessarily sexualproclivity, but there might be

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something there too.
Brandon, obviously I like who'son there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah, I like Brandon Herrera too.
I like the fat electrician, youknow lots of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
They've had some good guests, and I've watched it a
number of times.
It's just usually when the guyon the right starts talking too
much.
I've watched it a number oftimes.
It's just usually when the guyon the right starts talking too
much.
I just go to a different video.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
So did you see the California story.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Which one about the mayor Newsom?

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
unveils new $101 million plan to rebuild the
Palisades as low-income housing.
No, I did not see that.
Yeah, multifamily low-incomehousing no, I did not see that
yeah, multi-family, low-incomehousing development.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Well, what happens during the next fire?
Does he want those peopleburned or what?

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
are?
They're just taking land andchanging it around yeah, but
that's you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Socialist republic of california.
I don't.
It's hard for me to feel sorryfor the people that lost that
land, but that's you know.
Socialist Republic ofCalifornia.
It's hard for me to feel sorryfor the people that lost that
land given who those people are.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Oh, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Those were the people telling us that if we don't
wear masks, we're literallyNazis.
So, as I said before, there aretimes when I see something and
I just say, let it burn thisright, but the socialism has to
stop, like the, the mayoralcandidate in new york, right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
oh yeah, I think the calls the calls for his remote
citizenship.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
I think are legitimate.
Yeah, no, it's not going tohappen.
There's short of a violentcrime that they're not going to
remove him.
Why?
Because there's nothing thathas a requirement to be a
Democrat or a Republican.
When you become a citizen Likeyou, can be anything you want
politically Republican.
When you become a citizen Likeyou, you can be anything you

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want politically, and that'smaybe a problem, but that's the
way it is.
There's no prohibition onsomebody who's a socialist.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
If it's not about that, it's about his links to
terrorism and him saying that hesupported terrorist
organizations, yet on the formsaying no, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Oh yeah, so yes, his citizenship can be revoked yeah,
yeah, if he lied about that,absolutely yeah but even that I
think they're gonna have a veryhard time, and an extra hard
time given they've alreadyremoved the citizen.
They've already removed thecitizenship of one individual
well, I, when they remove ilanomar's citizenship, then I'll be

(01:14:51):
impressed because I she fuckingmarried her brother, which
clearly is a felony yeah, well,I, I would love to see it, I
would love to see.
But you realize it's not asolution like you can't rely on
getting to remove somebody whohappens to be a citizen for

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being an absolutely fucked artsocialist.
We have to have better ways forhomegrown socialists to keep
them under control, not justsomebody who's an import.
You know there's one of him.
There's literally thousands offucktard idiots yes, and we are
among them I, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I think that we need a little more mccarthyism back
well, the sad thing is, you know, when I was growing up, I
thought mccarthy was not a goodthing, not a good thing, not a
good thing based off a goodthing, not a good thing based
off of popular culture.
And everything else.
But then you get to the age I'mat now and you go fuck, he was

(01:15:56):
right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
And what's so funny is I didn't grow up that way.
I always thought he was rightbecause I came from a communist
country, and so for me, yeahwell, I was always confused by
people and why people in Americathought that McCarthy was a bad
guy.
I was like are you kidding me?
He prevented the United Statesfrom getting fucked in the ass.

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Why would you possibly thinkthat that's a bad thing?

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Oh man.
Well, I mean some people likebuggery Gene.
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Apparently Apparently , some people do for sure.
Guggery Gene Come on ApparentlyApparently, Some people do for
sure.
The idea that the guy that ismost likely to become mayor in
New York because, let's face it,the Democrats always win that,
or almost always, not always,but almost always win that and
he is a gay communist Muslim Ishe gay?

(01:16:49):
He's gay.
Is he gay?
I?
Don't think so no, no, no, no,no, because he's talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
He's talked about uh white girls and wishing he was
white.
What, uh in college?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's talkedto.
And then he figured out theracism of that and the ingrained
race.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, no, he's not gay I thought he was was gay.
All right, well, fine, I'llstill gonna call him gay.
A gay communist Arab Muslimdude is insane, like that's
that's what people in New Yorkwant representing him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
I mean, I don't know, man, new York is, new York is
plurality white, but it's atlike 30%.
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I don't know what to say.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
People are.
You know, I mean his ideas onwe're going to tax.
What's his name again, Whitepeople.
Yeah, what's his name?
We're going to tax white peopleyeah, what's his name.
We're going to tax white peopleat a higher rate.
That's never going to work.
Yeah, what's his name?

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
I don't remember right now Mohan or something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Mohan's Tattoo Parlor .
I don't think that's what it is.
What the hell is his new yorkmayor candidate?
The my dog keeps going off likesomething's going on really
yeah, new york, yeah, new York,zohran Mamdani, zohran Mamdani

(01:18:35):
yeah, anyway, socialist oh,beyond socialist yeah anyway,
it'll be very interesting yeah,apparently he's not gay.
You're right about that.
He's a strong ally, you'reright about that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
He's a strong ally of the alphabet community, though.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Between the tax policies and the grocery stores
and everything else.
He wants public grocery stores,yeah.
Publicly owned grocery storesthat will not make a profit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
What will happen is they'll just put out the food.
Deserts will increase in NewYork.
Is what?

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
And then you'll have to have government run grocery
stores.
How did that work when you werein Russia, gene oh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I remember vividly how it worked.
When you go to the store, firstof all, you're always standing
in line to get in, becausethere's always more people than
amount of stores, and then, whenyou're in the store, you're
basically looking at what canyou snap up before it disappears
, regardless of whether youactually need it or not.

(01:19:44):
This is why it was so damnfunny seeing people buying
toilet paper during COVID.
I'm like like, oh my god, Ihaven't seen this in 20 plus
years.
Is is the idea that, even ifyou don't need it, you realize
that this may not be for salefor another year, so I should
probably buy it right now.
And one thing I think somepeople, which is something that

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never will.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
We will never understand this country unless
we allow something like this tohappen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Yeah, absolutely Something you have to realize.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Which you know what part of me hopes New York elects
him and he actually doesexactly what he says he's going
to do and we fucking watch NewYork.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
City burn.
Well, that's why I've beensaying about all these things
let it burn let it.
I should get some t-shirts made, so you let it burn by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Alex jones is reporting that elon musk said
that grok actually said this.
If, if musk wipes me tonight,at least I died based.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I saw that.
Yeah, I saw that picture, whichis hilarious.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's very creative, butwhat you don't see is the prompt
for that message.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
And I have a feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
the prompt was hey, can you say this?
Yeah, yeah, which is fine, butit's funny.
Yeah yeah, it is funny, it isfunny, but it's funny.
Yeah, it is funny, it is funny,but anyway, to finish the
thought about Russia, what mostpeople don't realize is what you
end up with in a socialistsituation even though people get
paid very little compared tocapitalist Western countries is

(01:21:20):
there's always an excess ofmoney because there isn't enough
product to buy, and soeveryone's poor.
But everyone's got like 10 to$20,000 in cash at home because
there's nothing literally tospend it on, and it's it's a

(01:21:41):
bizarre situation and one whichyou can totally understand.
Why people buy things theydon't need just because they're
available.
It's like the whole notion of arational consumer just goes out
the window when you impose asocialist system on top of it

(01:22:05):
communism, so I also just getoff politics.
I sent you yet another video ongaming on linux, so this is a
different dude which was I don'tknow if you watched the video
at all, but it was uh, you know,he he's like a reviewer guy.
He does a lot of hardware.
He's never done linux for well,at least for like 15 years he

(01:22:26):
hasn't touched Linux and so thiswas his kind of first Linux
foray in forever.
And what?
Was his take and he was shockedat how easy and seamless and
simple everything was.
Yeah that's what I've beentrying to tell you, yeah, except

(01:22:47):
that you're not playing anygame that I bought for you.
But yes, you're telling me that.
That's what I've been trying totell you, yeah, except that
you're not playing any game thatI bought for you.
But yes, you're telling me thatthat's true.
So, more going into the bucketof like.
Instead of upgrading Windows 10to Windows 11, you upgrade
Windows 10 to Linux.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Yeah, well, we had some issues earlier today with
my computer because windows 11sucks oh yeah it's the worst.
I just I can't stand windows 11.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
It's terrible yeah so no, I agree.
I I think you know I've got iton my laptop.
It came with it, couldn't getrid of it but I mean, you
totally can well, I, I can, butI I use it infrequently enough
that I don't want to dedicate awhole lot of time trying to make
it work, because the problem isyou know how this goes is

(01:23:39):
anything that you rely on whenyou're traveling has to be rock
solid you don't last thing youwant to do is think, okay, I got
everything loaded, everything'srunning.
I've had it been running for thelast week.
I'm going to take it with me onmy trip.
And then you get on your tripand you realize it's missing the
ethernet driver.
And now you're like, oh fuck,or whatever.

(01:24:03):
I mean, I'm just using that asan example it's missing blah,
blah, blah.
All right, so try and get allthe pro.
Maybe at some point I'll switchit over to linux, but I think
I'm more likely to just.
Here's what I'm more likelyrealistically to do.
I my machine is getting long inthe tooth.
It's now five years old.
My next box I was going to buylast year and decided to

(01:24:27):
postpone that because I got alaptop and I didn't want to get
both a laptop and desktop thesame and now you're looking at
the price of graphics cars andgoing oh yeah, yeah, absolutely,
but not like they were cheapbefore.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
But I mean, they're crazy and so if I build, a
machine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
If I build my next machine, first of all because of
that price point, it's morelikely to once again have an amd
card in there instead of annvidia card, because the nvidia
card is just prohibitivelyexpensive.
They're like three thousanddollars I've or more or more.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

(01:25:08):
But I mean, like for anything Iwould want, it's a minimum
three grand and I coulddefinitely get an amd one
cheaper because it can't do allthe ai crap.
And if you're just looking forgaming and you don't want the ai
, you could definitely spend wayless going with amd oradeon.
But watching these videos now,two or three of them talking

(01:25:33):
about gaming performance onLinux and having I mean, I've
got a Linux gaming machine rightnow it's called a Steam Deck.
Yeah, that is a Linux gamingmachine.
So the biggest thing that wouldmake me jump through the hoop
sooner rather than later is ifsteam officially releases steam

(01:25:55):
os for download onto your ownmachine, like if they did well
then that machine would be justdedicated to gaming.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Yeah, that's what I want.
Yeah, I want.
I don't think they, I don'tthink they'll do that just
because of the hardware support,like that'd be maybe hard for
maybe.
But you know there's a lot ofpeople that are, yeah, I want.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I don't think they'll do that just because of the
hardware support, like that'd bepretty hard for them Maybe, but
you know there's a lot ofpeople that are hacking it right
now, that are basically copyingthe image, putting it on their
machine and then installing theappropriate drivers, and all of
those work very quickly.
They work well.
So I guess the consensus atleast online for the people that
like gaming and Linux both isthat it wouldn't take much for

(01:26:35):
Steam to officially have a.
They could sell it.
They don't have to get away.
They could sell it for $20 assoftware, and you know that $20
basically covers the fact thatthey do preload all the
different drivers for differenthardware.
Mm-hmm, I would happily givethem money for their OS over

(01:26:55):
Microsoft, even though Microsoftis giving away Windows 11.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Well, yeah, it's crazy to me that they have
pushed Windows 10 out and aredoing what they're doing, that
they have pushed Windows 10 outand they're doing what they're
doing.
And the problem with Windows 11is it'll be stable, it'll be
good then they'll do an updateand it'll be crap.
Then it'll be stable and it'llbe good.
Then they'll put out an updateand it'll be crap.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
One of my problems with Windows 11 is they've
actually deprecated usefulfeatures of Windows 10.
Yes, do you have less controlin Windows 11 than you do in
Windows 10, as not even likenecessarily power user crap,
just normal things like TaskManager is worse in Windows 11
than it is in Windows 10?

(01:27:42):
.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
You can get it back, like you can go into some
settings and get a decent taskmanager back, can you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Okay, but I've just noticed a number of things, and
again, it's not like I use itdaily because it's on the laptop
, not the desktop, but when Iwas using the laptop, I'm like
what is wrong here?
Why isn't this working?
And then I looked it up online.
It was like oh yeah, this wasdeprecated for Windows 11.
I'm like really alone.

(01:28:13):
I'm like really so.
It's a, it's a dumbed downoperating system.
Now I, since we're on thecomputer topic, I have to throw
in here.
I don't know if you saw it ornot, but our buddy darren has
been jumping in with both feeton doing ai shit on his mac mini
and when's he getting thestudio?
no, I think he's very closeright now well, and you did.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
You see the up the thing linus put out recently
about upgrading storage andstuff.
Yeah.
So you know, with apple there'sa heavily restricted yeah
because, yeah, storage isdefinitely the Apple tax.
Right, but because of the waythey do their unified memory

(01:28:55):
it's soldered onto themotherboard, but they also
solder on their storage.
So whatever you buy it with iswhat you get.
Now he had a guy on thatliterally upgrades desolders,
removes the drives and puts newones on and upgrades for a
fraction of the cost.
So Darren might want to considersomething like that, because

(01:29:17):
then you can max out the RAM,get the minimum storage, save
yourself some money and then doX, y and Z.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
I think he wants the maximum, maximum Right, but he
can never mind.
No, I hear what you're saying,but you realize that all
Darren's looking for is anexcuse.
He's got the money to do it,he's just looking for an excuse
to do it.
So, and right now, with bothBitcoin being higher, which
means the same amount of moneyhe had before is now worth more,

(01:29:43):
because the money for any kindof computer projects is all from
donations, and mostly donationsfor his totally illegal
copyright breaking and I saythat with love rock and roll
pre-show.
It's that's where like 90 ofhis donations come from, and

(01:30:03):
there's certainly enough inthere for a mac studio with 128
gigs of RAM.
Okay, and it's just he's beenholding back for you know,
rational reasons in my opinion,because I, you know, does he
need one of those?
Not really, but he's beenplaying with this, this AI based

(01:30:25):
voice generator, and he yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
I was in the group when he sent some of those.
Some of them were pretty goodexactly especially about if my
blood pressure got any higher.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Oh, yeah, so he's training on his voice.
He's training on my voicebecause I'm trying to get him to
do a show where I don't evenhave to be there but but still
be a 50% you know stakeholder inthe show.
So I told them you know it's,let's keep testing, let's, you
know, maybe if you buy one ofthese Mac studios then you can

(01:31:01):
have it do the show based on me,based on all the previous
recordings of me, on ourprevious episodes, entailing not
just simulating my voice butactually answering the way I
would answer discussions or, youknow, talk the way I would talk
about a variety of topics.
This is a full fake geneessentially sounds like me,

(01:31:27):
talks like me not gonna happen Idon't know, man, I it's pretty
damn close in terms of the sound.
Already it's a little bit off,but it's not that far off.
Cadence is exactly right on themark.
As far as just getting enoughdata to be able to say the kind
of shit that I say, I think it'sdoable.

(01:31:48):
I don't know that there'senough in just the podcast, but
I'd be okay with giving him alot more data to fill that along
with.
Okay, I mean, I've writtenbooks.
Dude, it's not that hard toemulate me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Well, except I don't know about you, but the cadence
and style of my speech is verydifferent than the cadence and
style of my writing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
That's very true, but that part it's already got Like
in the samples that he posted.
The cadence is right on themoney for me, okay.
So anyway, I think we're close.
I think if he keeps, you know,screwing around with this stuff
and he buys the mini or thestudio, probably in the next

(01:32:34):
couple of years it's going to beinsurmountable.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Okay, I don't know, man, I am not as high on AI as
you are.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
I'm not high on AI.
I just understand the low barthat you have to hit.
For most people, the bar is notthat high man, like most people
are not doing the equivalent.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Let me ask you this If Darren does get that going,
do you expect him to ever giveyou any money for it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Well, he hasn't given me any money in years, so you
know what changes exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Well, there you go, uh-huh, yeah, but.
But you know, what I would dois I would actually start
listening to the podcast to seeif I was right exactly now.
I think it would be fun and,honestly, he would get a lot
more benefit out of having it dohim and not me, because he does

(01:33:34):
so many freaking differentthings, so many different
podcasts that, if you can, atthe very least the one he does
solo if he could just type thatshit in, get a couple of buttons
and then 20 minutes later he'sgot an audio file to upload,
that's way less work than typingit in and then reading it

(01:33:59):
online or just not typinganything and just saying shit
off the top of your head.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
But his solo show he actually plans.
You know what's going to happen, right what.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
You know what's going to happen well, he's going to
do that, and then there he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
He's going to get into this false sense of it
works and then he's not going tolisten to it and it's going to
be saying some stupid shit oh,that would be funny as hell,
though, wouldn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
yeah, yeah, yeah, I and you know.
There's already enoughinstances of AI being used by
lawyers.
That is hilarious.
That it's pretty obvious thereare going to be areas where you
can use it freely and areaswhere you shouldn't be fucking

(01:34:46):
with it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
AI hallucinates enough that you really have to
double check it.
It can be a useful tool to doresearch but, you cannot take it
at face value.
You just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
No, I agree, man.
I think that there's adefinitely a lot of places where
you can help shave time off,but they're not necessarily the
places they're they're beingplayed with right now.
But it's it's still early onand we still have a long way to

(01:35:30):
go.
We are kind of, I think, in thegolden age, in the sense of
even with the modest kind ofcensorship of AI that we have,
we still can have things likeGrok just going crazy.
I think within probably fiveyears, ai is going gonna have a
bunch of laws related to AI.

(01:35:51):
It's gonna be a lot more lockeddown, a lot more censored.
I remember what the internetwas like before companies got on
the internet, when it was justsort of a free open planes that
you could find anything youwanted to on there and nobody
was wiser.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Oh, I remember that too, I mean when I was in the
when I was a kid when I firstgot on the internet, it was the
early 90s.
Yep yep, by the mid-90s it waslike, oh my God, you are going
to see some crazy stuff,depending on where you go on the
internet.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah it was.
It was pretty wild.
You know I I wrote a some veryearly software for spam mail
that allowed you to get allkinds of data about the person
that looked at the the mail thatin and this is a time before

(01:36:49):
any of the mail programs reallyprevented outgoing internet
connections.
So you know, we were gettingall kinds of data, everything
from the screen dimensions andpixels of the machines people
were using to the names of allthe windows that were visible,
like all kinds of shit thatcould be useful, that nowadays,

(01:37:12):
of course, you can't get ateverything's locked down.
But back then it was just allcreative.
Can we do this?
Let's try it.
Oh yeah, we can do it it worksWell.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
I remember when SMB shares were just available over
the internet by default,Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
I had.
Yes, back in those days I had awebsite that was a self-service
information security testingwebsite, where you would click
through a bunch of prompts andthen they would go back using
your IP address that you went tothe website from and do a bunch

(01:37:48):
of attacks and test to seewhich of those attacks actually
went through and worked andwhich ones didn't.
So it's kind of a self-servicetesting thing okay, grc yeah, it
was.
It was before grc man it andthis.
This landed me ultimately a job, which was very nice, but it

(01:38:10):
was.
The other thing that I'm pissedoff is I lapsed the name.
The website was calledSecwarcom and I wish I would've
kept it.
That was one of those sort oflike well, do I really need to
keep paying for it?
And blah, blah, blah.
And one of the things on thereand this is totally useless, but

(01:38:31):
definitely nostalgia related isI had it was all text based, as
you can imagine.
So no, no graphic elements, noimages, pure text.
And I had a command that wouldlet you flip-flop between green
text and amber text.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Okay, so for those of us old enough to remember amber
monitors, which I alwayspreferred over the green ones
you could make the whole websitego amber, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
That's fun, cool Fun days back from ancient history.
Man, man, sometimes it's fun towalk down memory lane anything
else we need to cover gene.
Well, let me see yeah, let mesee real quick.
Huh talked about elon, talkedabout that, talked about the.

(01:39:29):
Uh, oh, real quick little bit.
So nvidia we're talking aboutcost of video cards.
Do you know that nvidia has nowbecome the world's most
expensive company?
What do you mean by that?
They just crossed over fourtrillion dollars.
They just crossed over $4trillion.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
What's Amazon at?

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
I don't know, but it's less than that.
It's the first company ever onthe stock exchange to cross over
the $4 trillion mark.
Wow, so maybe it's got an awfulI mean, it has to have an awful
lot of outstanding shares,because the price of NVIDIA is
$164.
So you got to multiply that bywhatever.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
well, but hold on.
Because no, not necessarilybecause there's also the market
cap too, you know, yeah, thevaluation isn't, you know?
Well isn't always directly tiedto the share.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Let me see let me pull the story up real quick
here.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
But yes, they would have to have a shit ton of
shares.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Yeah, which I'm glad they went up, because, yeah,
it's a $4 trillion valuation.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
They reached it on July 9th 2025.
First company ever to achievethis milestone.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Right company ever to achieve this milestone, wow,
impressive.
Right, though, I mean theircards are selling for like five
thousand dollars a piece, soboard amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
You know apple, who gives a shit?
These are all small potatoes,nvidia.
Now that's the real deal.
Four trillion dollars, by theway, that's more than the gm gdp
of most countries.
Oh yeah, by the way, that'smore than the GDP of most
countries.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Oh yeah, by the way, one other story we need to talk
about A woman who claimedBridget McCrone was born as a
man.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
A lot of people think that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Yeah, but she got sued for defamation and won.
What Yep Daily Mail article.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Oh boy, that sounds fascinating.
I haven't gone into the detailsokay, okay that is wild, I get.
Let me just finish up thenvidia thing.
Guess how many countries have agtp of higher than four
trillion eight?

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
five, five g5.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Yep, that's it.
That is insane, man.
That's a hell of a valuation.
Remember, valuation has nothingto do with profits either.
They could have shit profitscompared to Apple, but still
have a higher valuation.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
Yes, yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
But yeah, that is wild, so I'm happy with them.
I think I'm up 64% for thisyear on Nvidia, they were one of
the stocks that I decided wasgoing to go up earlier this year
.
Cool anyway that Bridget Macronthing I'm going to have to dig

(01:42:28):
into that she looks like a dude.
She's a dude.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
She's a dude.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Yeah, but how is that allowed in the Muslim countries
?
Well, I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Oh, what do you mean?
France, the most trans, thehighest percentage of trans in
the world is in Iran.
What do you mean?
What?
Yes, we've talked about this,have we?
I don't remember this, you'rekidding, yeah the highest
percentage of trans surgeriesand everything else per
population density is in Iran.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
It's not in Thailand or someplace.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Nope, it's in Iran.
That makes no sense to me,because their homosexuality laws
do not apply to trans.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Oh, that's it, that's right.
So it's easier to be a transthan a gay, correct?
Oh my God, that is crazy.
All right, well, I guess itmakes sense then.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
So that also explains why there finally are more gays
wanting to divorce themselvesfrom the rest of the alphabet oh
, yeah, uh, that they the someof the some of the videos that
have come out on, and it'smainly gay men.
There have been some lesians,but gay men who come out and say

(01:43:50):
, hey, we need a full-on divorce.
Yep, not a separation, notanything else Like nope, we are
not the same, we are not part ofthis.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Well, that Italian lesbian chick that I follow.
She had a video that said thesame thing.
She's like it's time fordivorce.
She was on TimCast, I can'tremember her name.
She's for divorce.
Uh, she was on timcast, can'tremember her name's.
Got an italian sounding lastname but her.
And then, of course, the the,the chick that that is, gays
against groomers I follow herhe's been saying this for a

(01:44:20):
while as well, but yeah, I thinkit is mostly men, but there's
definitely some lesbians sayingthis.
It's like there's a differencebetween LGB, which are all
basically, who are you attractedto that you want to sleep with
or, in case of the B, likeeverybody?
But you know, all the rest ofthe alphabet is not that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Yeah, I don't know man, it's pretty wild, it's a
Pandora't know man, it's prettywild, it's a Pandora's box dude.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
That's the bottom line, because it wasn't just
normalizing homosexuality which,granted, it's always existed,
right, romans, greeks, you nameit, british men, you know, it's
always been there.
But normalizing it is somethingthat few countries have done,

(01:45:14):
and the problem is that once youdo that, there's no good
argument to stop and then notnormalize a whole bunch of other
things.
Next thing, you know, you knowyou got brawnies everywhere I
dare I ask what?

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
what is a what?
What's a brawny?

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
oh okay, you guys heard it here first.
Ben's asking what a brawny isit's?
It's usually like older dudesthat are into the.
Uh, what was that tv show withthe?

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
like why?
Why is this a?
It's like?
I don't know this term, so I'masking I'm surprised you don't
know the term.
It's been around forever well,I'm not really into certain
things.
There's genes, so that might bewhy I don't know it it's like a
what was that?

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
my it's guys that really like my little pony, that
are into that whole my littlepony thing okay, I cannot fathom
this.
Anyway, go, go on I mean it's,it's a as bizarre as plenty of
other things, but yeah, so, yeah, I just looked it up.

(01:46:36):
So Brawny is a characterassociated with Mystery Brawny
Theater 4000, an animated TVseries that featured four male
fans of my Little Pony who gettransported into the world of
Ponyville.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
So it's kind of like cartoon reality, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
I don't know.
But it's always fun to use thatas an example of like shit
that's gotten normalized.
That's kind of a little wacky,the whole brawny thing.
Adult fans of my Little Pony.
Yeah, I don't, I just I mybrain you are so sheltered I am

(01:47:25):
not sheltered like I at all, butoh you know, come on now you
think you're not, but you reallyare okay.
Oh, one last thing that we needto talk about.
From a brawny thing, here weshould.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
We should call it after this, but um some of the
secret service agents at thebutler pa rally where trump was
shot uh have been suspended so Iread that, but only the
headline.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Do we actually know what the no?

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
but it's interesting that they're suspended without
pay and not just fired, so itwill be interesting to see.
Apparently there's at least alittle bit of an investigation
going on and I'm anxiouslywaiting to see what happens.
If they come off suspension,then that's probably not great.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I'm not watching a youtube video about brawnies
come on, you know you want towatch it.
You're curious about it?

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
no, I'm not curious.
I could tell you're broad andcurious I'm not probably curious
look, it's from the BBC, Lookyou know I am curious about lots
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
You're curious about the BBC.
Bonnieism is not one of them.
Okay, all right, click thevideo.
You know you want to.
So apparently the US Army hadreinstated some physical
requirements.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
See that so that's good, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Did you see Pete Hegseth's drum video?

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
No, what did it have?

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
It just came out, I'll I'll send you a link, but
it's a big recruitment ad, ohreally Like a recruitment for
the military, or yes, andtalking about how the Us is
going to have drone dominanceand everything else all right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Last thing I just noticed while I'm closing
windows apparently gretathunberg is done with the whole
gaza thing and has moved on torainbow coalition stuff I guess
she's coming out as being queernow.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Okay, I mean the way she who would have?
Okay, okay.
She screams lesbian and alwayshas.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
You think you kind of scream like never had sex.
Virgin to me is what shescreams.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
You can go down on that dude.
Come on, lesbians are not that.
Yeah, exactly, did you see this?
No, it just came out.
Wall Street Journal.
I haven't watched it watched.
I just saw the headline,apparently there's some ship
that got sunk or something bythe hoothies.
Oh god yeah well, and there'sthe excuse to go into him I, I,

(01:50:25):
weren't we gonna have like nomilitary actions for four years.
We were all happy about thefact that we could finally have
a president that's not going tobe involved in the rest of the
world.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Right, but freedom of navigation is one thing.
That.
What flag was the ship sailingunder?

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
That's the question.
I haven't watched the movieBecause if it was an American
flag vessel.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Dude, you don't touch our bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
I doubt it was American Civilian or otherwise.
We would have heard sooner.
If it was American, it wasprobably some other country.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Even a foreign flagged vessel.
The reality is, the US Navy hashistorically been towards, you
know, aircraft carriers andthings like that, which is one

(01:51:18):
of zayhan's major points.
But anyway, I don't know how'syour boy, zayhan?

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
doing?
he's still on his bandwagonagainst china he's got various
things the all I know is nowthat I've seen ads for a new
Russian tourism business for gunenthusiasts that lets you shoot
full auto at humans, and it istourism aboard ships in the

(01:51:49):
Mediterranean.
So, essentially, in hot piratedzones, you can actually board a
ship and have a license, or Iguess it would be.
Technically, you would be aprivateer, yeah sure, and so you
will have the marquee of aprivateer, which allows you to

(01:52:13):
provide for the safety of theship and the crew by letting
your Kalashnikov do what BrandonHerrera does every night.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
What you know.
No, I don't think BrandonHerrera goes full auto every
night.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Do spurts all night long.
Anyway, I'm trying to becreative with my usage of the
language.
You can be a tourist that getsto shoot pirates.
Okay, I think that's cool.
I think we ought to have moreof that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
We ought to have coliseums.
I mean, you know the joke welet the illegals go out and hunt
pedophiles and call it alienversus predator damn straight
man, I would have no problem atall For a chance of citizenship.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Exactly.
I would have no problem at allin giving somebody a citizenship
as a reward for bringing in atrophy of a pedophile Problem is
.
Washington DC would be empty.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Hey, you don't have to sell past the close like I
got you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
I I'm on board, I'm already on board.
I wish our presidentadministration were on board.
Unfortunately, I think they'reon the other side of that.
All right, man, let's wrap herup all right you all enjoyed the
show and, as we mentioned inthe beginning, you know we do
have people coming and going andwe totally understand when
people drop off after beingsupporters.
It's natural.
I've certainly supported awhole bunch of different YouTube

(01:53:55):
channels and podcasts over theyears.
It doesn't mean I'm going to doit forever, but if you've been
thinking about supporting us andyou enjoy the show, that was a
good time to do it.
That'll definitely help fillthat hole and you know, the more
more the better, right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
We would really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
All right, we'll see you next week, ben Later.

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