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June 2, 2025 36 mins

Today we're joined by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the co-founders of Phia — a new app designed to help shoppers find the best deals across the internet via a price comparison tool. Consider it your savvy personal shopper. The two share how they met at Stanford, the “aha” moment that led to Phia, and their mission to bring transparency, sustainability, and efficiency to online shopping. They also open up about building a business in their 20s, the best advice Phoebe’s dad (Bill Gates!) gave them, and how their podcast, The Burnouts, is chronicling their entrepreneurial journey in real time.

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