Midlife Circus
Midlife isn’t the end — it’s the evolution of Gen X. Hosted by Brent Drever and Rob Espenel, Midlife Circus is where real conversations meet reinvention. Like any good circus, midlife is part chaos, part wonder — a stage for learning new acts. From careers and relationships to purpose and adventure, Rob and Brent explore the unpredictable, messy, and meaningful middle of life with humor, honesty, and a touch of rebellion. Pull up a seat under the tent — and get ready to laugh, reflect, and rediscover what’s possible in Your Next Great Act.
Episodes
Ezra Vancil got signed to a music label as a teenager and spent the years that followed living the life of a rock star. By 21 his label had dropped him with no plan B, and the next two decades were a collapse into addiction and isolation that nearly cost him his life more than once. The night he hit bottom at 40, he woke up on the kitchen floor to the realization that his life had to change. This conversation is the...
Rob and Brent walked into this episode with no idea what the other was about to commit to. They each named 5 personal challenges for the next 90 days, one for every ring of midlife: finance, relationship, health, purpose, and adventure, and shared them live. The list includes losing twenty pounds, getting back to real planned date nights, joining a Friday golf group of strangers, learning to ride a unicycle, and tra...
Almost everyone has a creative thing they've been thinking about for years but never started. Rob wants to shoot action videos. Brent wants to restore old cars. Other people have pottery, photography, or a book idea sitting in the back of their head. In this episode, Brent and Rob get specific about what it takes to move a creative hobby into a real business in midlife, including the three categories of creative wor...
What does it actually take to start consulting in midlife? Rob and Brent go a layer deeper than their earlier conversation on earning income in your next chapter, breaking down the foundational work most people skip — purpose, product, and market — and the six practical steps to launch your own consulting, advisory, or coaching practice. Drawing from Brent's 20+ years as a consultant and Rob's recent exp...
What if retirement isn't really just a finance problem? Finance is the part most people plan for. It's the four others — relationships, health, purpose, and adventure — that quietly reshape everything. Rob and Brent walk through all five: test-driving your spending before the leap, inventorying the relationships that will and won't survive, building health habits while you still have structure, giving yo...
At 52, Sarah Hager stepped away from a 30-year corporate career to take a midlife sabbatical she never planned for. Rob and Brent sit down with Sarah to talk about the events that pushed her to walk away, what she learned in two years of travel, rest, and creative exploration, and how she eventually came back to work on her own terms. It's a grounded, honest look at what a midlife career break can actually look like...
What does it take to push past your own limits in midlife — and why does it matter? Brent and Rob unpack their own versions of Epic, from Rob’s 250-mile Cocodona race and his breakthrough at mile 170, to Brent’s 18-hour Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim and the clarity it brought during a hard season of life. Everybody’s Epic looks different. This one is about why taking on something hard &mdash...
What happens when the paycheck stops and you need to start funding life from what you’ve built? Brent and Rob explore the emotional and financial side of retirement distribution planning, including the 4% rule, bucket strategies, annuities, taxes, and the value of working with a professional to navigate the options.
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What happens when the college drop-off is over and the house gets quiet? Rob and Brent talk honestly about kids leaving for college, the emotions that come with the empty nest, and how this transition can reshape family life, identity, and what comes next.
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In this episode, Brent and Rob sit down with Dr. Dennis Lipton to break down the longevity fundamentals that matter in midlife. They cover the habits that compound over time—sleep, exercise, nutrition, metabolic health, and community—plus how to think about biomarkers and prevention without getting overwhelmed. It’s practical, grounded, and full of real-world perspective on how to stay str...
Explore the power of micro-adventures, backyard adventures, and simple travel with Rob and Brent. In this episode, they share how spontaneous outings, nearby day trips, and easy adventure planning can spark curiosity, strengthen relationships, and bring more excitement to everyday life. From childhood bike rides and underground forts to coffee shops, caves, and overnight getaways, this conversation shows ho...
What does giving back look like in midlife? In this episode, Brent and Rob talk about how service often shifts from something we admire to something we feel called to do. They explore the different ways people can support nonprofits through time, experience, relationships, and financial resources, and why local community impact can feel especially powerful. As part of this year’s global Podcast-a-thon...
In this episode, Brent and Rob explore one of the biggest hidden barriers to your next great act: truly understanding your personal expenses. From the “one-off” costs that somehow show up every year to the money stories we carry from childhood, they unpack why avoidance makes finances feel more complicated than they need to be. This isn’t about budgeting or restriction — it’s a...
What would your future-self want you to hear right now? In this episode, Rob and Brent write letters to themselves from ten years in the future—and then read them out loud. What follows is an honest, emotional conversation about relationships, health, risk, and the quiet shifts that happen in midlife. From evolving family dynamics to staying physically resilient and letting go of the need to control o...
In this episode, Brent and Rob dig into a question many people face in midlife: how to keep earning money while redesigning work to better fit who you are now. They explore the difference between productive stress and anxiety-driven stress, why so many of us get stuck in all-or-nothing thinking about careers, and what it really means to create a Second Act Paycheck that aligns with your life today. Along th...
In this episode, Rob and Brent dig into why the traditional idea of retirement no longer fits—and why waiting for “someday” often keeps us stuck. They talk candidly about their own experiences, the fear and excitement of change, and what it really takes to trust yourself enough to make a bold move. From financial clarity and sabbaticals to real-life stories of people who’ve already t...
In this episode, Rob and Brent ask a simple but uncomfortable question: what would your future self want you to change today? Looking back 20 years—and ahead 20 more—they break down the “Big Three” that quietly shape healthspan: exercise, diet, and sleep, and why treating them as separate is the biggest mistake most people make. This isn’t about perfection or biohacking. It&rsq...
In this episode of Midlife Circus, Brent and Rob explore solo retreats and the value of intentionally stepping away from the noise of midlife. They share personal stories—from quick outdoor resets to multi-day retreats—and reflect on how creating space can unlock clarity, creativity, and perspective. The conversation also touches on the discomfort that can surface when distractions fade, and why...
In this episode, Brent and Rob sit down with longtime friend and guest Ron Mayer to explore what reinvention really looks like in midlife. Ron shares his remarkable journey—from college football and Division I basketball refereeing to financial services, building a successful barbershop business, and ultimately starting law school at age 50. Along the way, they talk openly about doubt, identity shifts...
In this episode, Rob and Brent dig into what AI actually looks like in midlife—beyond the hype, fear, and sci-fi doom. They break down how they use AI in three practical ways: as a smarter search tool, as a thought partner for better decisions (including “virtual board of directors”), and as a creative engine for making things—from trip itineraries to short-form video experiments. Al...
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