1716 - "Silver Buckshot" - No Agenda Show

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Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.
This is November 28th, 2024, this is the
award winning Kimmel Nation media assassination episode 1760.
This is no agenda.
Turkey basting and broadcasting live from the heart
of the Here in FEMA Region Number 6.

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In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we all
say happy Thanksgiving and go Lions!
I'm John C.
Duborek.
It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!
In the morning!
Who are the Lions?
Is this the Oakland Lions?
Yeah, the Oakland Lions.

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What do they play?
What do the Lions play?
That must be a college team.
I don't know about the Lions.
You don't need to know.
There's no reason for you to know.
I'm with you.
Oh, really?
You're with me?
You're with me.
Hey, hey.

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You hear him?
You hear the turkeys?
Here we go.
We are ready for you all.
I realize this morning, just as the Curry
family tradition, I think many families around America,

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on Christmas, on Christmas Eve, we all sit
down and we read, "'Twas the night before
Christmas."
And we read, "'Twas the night before Christmas,
and all through the house not a creature
was stirring, not even a mouse.
All the stockings were hung by the chimney
with care, with visions of St. Nicholas would
soon be there, etc."
So that is a tradition in America.

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For Thanksgiving?
No, that is a Christmas tradition.
I'm now saying, for 17 years, the tradition
within No Agenda Nation, within the household of
No Agenda, has been John's annual explaining why
Thanksgiving is bullcrap.

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And I just want you to know, it
has reached so far and wide that it
is now even on the radio here in
Texas.
People are talking about John's Thanksgiving explanation.
I'll just play a little bit of it.
This is on Hill Country Patriot.

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John C.
Dvorak, and John puts out a newsletter the
day before each of their podcast shows.
And so yesterday's newsletter came out, and I'm
telling you what, it was this guy, I
don't know, he's butthurt over Thanksgiving.
John C.

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Dvorak is butthurt over Thanksgiving.
And so I started reading his article, and
let's see, he says, I'm always amused by
the, and I'm not sure if I can
use all these words, so I'm going to
just clean my mouth.
I'm always amused by the bull stories about
Thanksgiving being about pilgrim maize, turkeys, and Indians,

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when the holiday stems from, and then he
goes into, and I just read it, it
was like, man, John C.
Dvorak, you completely missed the point.
This goes on for five minutes.
I'm glad they're picking up on this, on
the reality, folks.

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By the way, he says later, you're not
wrong, but you're missing the point.
Yeah, I'm not wrong, but I'm missing the
point.
What was the point?
What did he finally conclude?
Well, I mean, you want me to fast
forward a little bit?
I can skip past all of it.
Listeners here, we know that throughout the history
of this country, that it has been a
regular, regular, starting with the pilgrims, yes, to

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set a day aside for thanksgiving to God.
There it is.
Just thank you, and yes, did it come
with harvest?
Yes, that's when a lot of the thanks,
that's when we got the fruits of all
our labor, literally.

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He's making it up.
No, he's not.
Somewhere in there, he says, you're right about
the history of it.
Well, allow me to set everybody up, and
then we can do the annual.
I feel bad for people that don't subscribe
to the newsletter.
The whole essay is in there.
I've been running it over and over.
It's the same old filler.
As you can see, it's just copy-paste.

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Copy-paste.
Oh, wait, there's an error.
Let me just change the spelling.
The mainstream legacy media, that is Matt Long
on Hill Country Patriot.
He'll love me saying that.
They subscribe to your newsletter.
It's show prep.
It is literally show prep.
Wait a minute, Adam, what was the name
of the show again, and who was that?
Matt Long Show, Hill Country Patriot.

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So, we do need to play the Chicago
Museum of History.
Did a nice little piece on WGN explaining
Thanksgiving, and we will do that.
Then we ramp up to have the annual
explanation of Thanksgiving by our very own John
C.
Dvorak.
Long after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock

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in 1621 and celebrated a successful harvest with
a three-day gathering that became the first
Thanksgiving, it was the first President of the
United States, George Washington, who declared November 26,
1789, a day of public Thanksgiving.
While a lot of people trace the origins
of the celebration of Thanksgiving in the United

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States back to the Pilgrims in Plymouth in
the 17th century, our kind of contemporary understanding
of it really has to do more with
these proclamations that were made by various presidents.
Chicago History Museum Director of Exhibitions Paul DeRicca
says the holiday was observed on and off
for years.
President James Madison proclaimed a Thanksgiving Day in

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1814 and 1815.
Thanksgiving as a national holiday really kind of
takes shape and then becomes part of American
culture in the 1860s.
But it wasn't until October 3rd of 1863,
in the midst of the Civil War, that
President Abraham Lincoln made what is now regarded
as the Thanksgiving Proclamation.

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He wrote, The year that is drawing to
a close has been filled with the blessings
of fruitful fields and healthful skies.
He called the nation's people and its prosperity,
quote, gracious gifts and said, It has seemed
to me fit and proper that they should
be gratefully acknowledged.
I do, therefore, invite my fellow citizens in
every part of the United States to set

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apart and observe that last Thursday of November
next as a day of Thanksgiving.
Lincoln's proclamation took effect just one week after
his most famous speech, the Gettysburg Address.
Even though the United States is in the
midst of this great Civil War and there
are all of these challenges that the nation
is facing, there's still a lot to be
thankful for.

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It was the culmination of a decades-long
campaign by a prominent magazine editor named Sarah
Josepha Hale.
She lobbied Lincoln for the holiday.
Thanksgiving, establishing it as a national holiday, certainly
stands as one of his enduring accomplishments.
And in the 1940s, Congress issued Joint Resolution
41, forever making Thanksgiving a public holiday.

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No wonder mainstream is losing viewers.
Oh, brother.
Well, a couple of things.
I'll just throw in.
Yes.
The only thing correct in that report was
Sarah being the one who initiated making this
an annual holiday.
Yes, that was good.
That was good.
Yeah, they got that part right, but the
rest of it, the Lincoln Thanksgiving thing was

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all about the dead soldiers.
And they did that every year because of
all the dead soldiers.
It wasn't about anything else, really, and it
was to honor the dead.
And so that, you know, it was kind
of depressing, to be honest about it.
When this woman finally got it to become
a national holiday, it became such, and it

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all began with dead soldiers.
It had nothing to do with pilgrims or
corn or anything like that.
What?
And then it evolved into, by the 30s,
it evolved.
This is new, by the way.
It's not in the essay.
Somebody sent me this.
Time to update the essay.
I didn't know this.
Time to update the essay.

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I'm going to update with this.
So by the 30s, it was institutionalized as
last Thursday of November.
November, yeah.
And Franklin Roosevelt wanted to move it up
a week to the third Thursday, which then
became known as Franksgiving.
Oh, Franksgiving.

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Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Franksgiving.
Because he felt, because it was in, I
think it was in 39, it was 1939
he did this.
He felt that it was important to move
it up a week to get Black Friday
up a week to get an extra week
of Christmas shopping.
There it is.
There it is.
That's the true American tradition right there.
That's the American tradition, but nobody bought it,

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so it died out.
So, yes, this is kind of a fake
phony baloney deal.
Oh, man.
Yes, of course.
But it's a time that people get together
and argue about politics.
And what's so beautiful about Thanksgiving, you know,
there's two ways to say it.
Thanksgiving.
Around here, everyone says Thanksgiving.

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Thanksgiving.
Not Thanksgiving.
I grew up saying Thanksgiving, and here it's
Thanksgiving.
Well, I say Thanksgiving.
It's Thanksgiving.
I'm trying to get into Lexicon so I
don't sound like a damn Yankee.
Thanksgiving.
Yeah, you don't want to sound like a
damn Yankee.
You want to sound like a Texan.
You've been there since Thanksgiving.
That's right.
Thanksgiving.
Of course, even though Thanksgiving is not celebrated

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anywhere but in the United States, our fine
tradition of Black Friday is celebrated around the
world.
This began around 2015, I think, and maybe
even a few years before.
Maybe a little earlier even, yeah.
The internet.
It started up.
Because, yes, I know.
Well, first, Halloween, which most of the EU

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countries spell Halloween, that was the first thing
to kind of creep over.
So everyone could dress up like a schmuck
or a sexy barmaid or whatever.
Housemaid.
Hookers.
Hookers, yes.
Basically, a hooker holiday.
And they don't say Halloween.
They say Halloween.
And then after that, the internet really, once

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the internet, shopping kind of kicked in.
So I think it was probably 2012 where
it really was going strong.
Black Friday.
Everywhere.
Black Friday.
From Holland, from Amsterdam to Milan.
Black Friday is all over the EU.
And I would say in most of the
world.
Black Friday.
Of course, Amazon, a big part of that.

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And it's just wonderful.
We are so happy.
And then we always have the annual pardoning
of the turkey.
At the White House, President Biden honored an
annual tradition for his final time in office.
The pardoning of the turkeys.
It's not always the turkeys you think he's
going to pardon.

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But these are the pardons that he did.
Take a look.
Raised by the...
Yeah, I hear you.
Peach wants to speak a little bit.
Peach weighs 41 pounds.
And loves to eat hot dish and tater
tots.
And cross-country skis.

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He lives by the motto.
Keep calm and gobble on.
Based on your temperament and commitment to being
productive members of society.
I hereby pardon Peach M.
Blossom.
And back to the view.
But there's a much more serious pardon that

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many people are wondering about.
And that is, people are wondering, should Biden
pardon his son, Hunter?
Or does that make him an even bigger
target for you-know-who coming in?
We can't even celebrate Thanksgiving without some politicization
by The View.

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That show's gotta go.
Well, it's going to go.
And then, of course, we have the biggest
problem.
Holiday heart syndrome.
We're just days away here from the first
major holiday of the holiday season, Thanksgiving.
And you're tracking some medical news about something
called, what, holiday heart syndrome?
What is that, and what do we need
to do to protect ourselves?
You know, many people do not know about

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this.
I will say, one of the strongest memories
I have is a nurse I presented after
a weekend of overindulgence.
With swelling in their legs, palpitations.
And they had all the signs and symptoms
of this condition called holiday heart syndrome.
So I wanted to help educate.
Educate me.
Especially as we step into those days where
most likely all of us are going to
be overindulgent.
This is a reconstruction or reformation of the

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heart that happens from the fatty food, the
salt, as well as the alcohol that we
eat.
And it can most often lead to an
abnormal rhythm.
A-fib or atrial fibrillation.
It can happen to anyone, but those who
are most at risk are those who have
a history of heart disease.
But again, it can happen to anyone, regardless
of their condition, especially if binge drinking is
involved.
And the symptoms that you want to look
for are palpitations, leg swelling, dizziness, and shortness

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of breath.
And the way to prevent this, of course,
is to prevent the causes.
Which is making sure we're mindful before we
step into those holiday events.
Mindful.
Being mindful about salt, fat, and alcohol.
Trying to limit and portion control as much
as we can.
This is bullcrap, of course.
Of course.
The reason for holiday heart syndrome is the
stress of being with family.

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That's it.
The stress of being with family.
And this is going to be another one
of those years where people are stressed.
Because, yes, you're right.
Most divorce takes place between now and Christmas.
Well, now that you brought it up, this
is a very, very, very sad, sad moment
here.

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One of our producers sent me a note.
And Dan is his name.
And Dan says, well, I'm going to be
homeless for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Because he came home from work.
And there was a note taped to the

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back door.
And I shall share it with everybody.
Dan, you are no longer the person I
fell in love with.
You let hateful cult leaders brainwash the humanity
out of you.
Since you voted for a rapist, felon, fraud,
and tyrant, I no longer want to share
my home with you.
Please find somewhere else to live by Christmas.

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Your vote for that orange piece of shit
tells me that you think all women, including
me, are second class citizens.
Don't deserve autonomy over my own body and
choices.
You betrayed me, Alana, Olivia, and your own
daughter by supporting that misogynist, rapist, pedophile.
You betrayed Randy with your vote.
You know he's gay.

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And yet you voted for a proven homophobe
to lead this country.
You voted for a racist a-hole who
has no respect for veterans.
He calls you suckers and losers.
How can you justify a vote for someone
that does this?
You voted for someone who only embodies hate.
Since that's the person you think should lead
our country, then I no longer know who
you are.
And I can't spend the rest of my

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life with you.
I have purchased a new refrigerator before that
orange a-hole puts tariffs on everything.
And yes, tariffs means that we will have
to pay more for things.
All you stupid maghats fell for his lies.
If you want to remove that part you
replaced and return it, you need to do
so before Wednesday.
Please find somewhere else to be on Thursday.

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There will be no Thanksgiving here, and I'd
like to have the day alone.
I'm sorry for laughing.
But this...
Wow, talk about media brainwashing.
The media...
This is why this show that we do
exists.
Thank you for bringing that up.
This is exactly correct.
Because this is not just media brainwashing.

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This is all media.
It's like social media in particular.
And your favorite, TikTok, is playing a big
role.
If you see the amount of TikTok women
influencers who are out there repeating this over
and over again.
And Trump is going to declare no-fault

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divorce across America.
Which on its face is very uneducated and
ignorant since marriage is a state issue.
It's not a federal issue.
You're married before the great state of.
And because...
Oh yeah, Texas is already doing it.
Some Jamoke state senator in 2017 put in

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a bill that said, Oh, you know, we
should do away with...
Which by the way, no-fault divorce is
available in every state in the union.
We should do away with it because it
promotes wrecking the family.
I think only recently in New York.
I think New York was a holdout.
Oh, really?

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Yeah.
Well, anyway.
But these psychological operations that have taken place
have absolutely convinced people that this is happening.
They are convinced of it.
There is no...
Oh no, they're not insincere in their belief.

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I'd like to actually get into this because...
Well...
Yes.
Since you want to get into it, I
do want to...
You brought kind of led me into leading
the witness into this TikTok clip.
There are reasonable people.
There are reasonable people on TikTok.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I have one of them here.
I have my TikTok clip of the day

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right at the beginning of the show for
the people that love these clips.
Oh, we're rocking it.
Yes.
For the five people who have emailed John
and encouraged him to bring these clips to
the show.
Here we go.
I just don't get why we can't have
Trump and Kamala both be president.
And then Kamala is only president to the
Kamala supporters.
And then Trump is only president to the
Trump supporters.

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And then we can find ways to identify
one another so then only the Kamala supporters
get the Kamala's policies.
I just feel like that would be way
more fair and I don't know why we
haven't thought of it before.
I don't know.
You know?
Humanity is lost.
She's kind of cute and dumb and she

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thinks that she dreamed this up as such
a great idea.
And she has this look on the end
of it as though I just don't get
why people haven't figured this out.
Before I move into some deconstruction here of
all forms of media, I just want to
have everyone think for a moment about the
victims of Western North Carolina and Florida who

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are not having the happiest of Thanksgiving.
And let's be quick to listen, slow to
speak, and even slower to get angry around
all of our relatives today and our friends.
If you have a Friendsgiving, just everybody calm
down.
Friendsgiving.
I forgot about that.
Oh, no.
Wait, didn't Jay have a Friendsgiving a year

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ago or two years ago?
Maybe it was Jesse.
I don't remember.
It was Jesse and Jay.
I try to repress the idea.
So the television and radio specifically, but when
it comes to media deconstruction, we now really
have to look at all media, including social
media.
Now the television and radio people, they're so

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focused on what happened.
What happened?
How could it happen?
What did we do wrong?
And how are we losing out our messaging
to the podcast laws, podcast laws, podcast law,
podcast law auction?
And I don't I really don't think it's
a podcast election that I'd love for that

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to be true.
So I have a few clips from PBS,
but then I have an old friend of
the show who was on NPR.
And I think we can learn something and
maybe take it to some historical things we've
learned in the past 17 years of doing
no agenda.
So it's kind of a retrospective.
And we start with PBS trying to desperately

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trying to understand how Trump won.
Thanks to the Manosphere.
On the night it became clear President-elect
Donald Trump won the presidency again.
He was joined on stage by members of
his family and several high profile supporters.
This is karma, ladies and gentlemen.
He deserves this.
They deserve it as a family.
Including the CEO of Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dana

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White, who paid tribute to a group of
men he believed helped sway the election.
I want to thank the Nell boys, Aiden
Ross, Theo Vaughn.
Bustin' with the boys.
And last but not least, the mighty and
powerful Joe Rogan.
Let me know your honest thoughts.
While those names may sound unfamiliar to some,

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they are all part of a growing online
ecosystem that's been dubbed the Manosphere.
A term loosely defined as male-centered content
published on platforms like TikTok, YouTube and the
popular live streaming site for gamers, Twitch.
The press is so crooked.
During his campaign, candidate Trump saw massive untapped
potential to reach young male voters by appearing

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on podcasts like...
Is this that Lopez woman?
Yes, correct.
Are you mad?
Why are you mad?
Oh, she's the worst.
I have clips from her, too, coming up
because she's the worst.
But continue.
I just wanted to make sure.
OK.
A massive untapped potential to reach young male

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voters by appearing on podcasts like the Joe
Rogan Experience.
Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer
that a child wouldn't give.
It was so bad.
His three hour long interview has been viewed
more than 50 million times on YouTube, providing
several viral moments that could then be shared

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in clips across all of social media.
Aha!
Aha!
We're starting to zero in.
But it's clearly Donald Trump only won because
of men, which I think is factually just
not true.
No, 52 percent of the women voters voted
for Donald Trump.
So, you know, it's but they play a
few more clips just so they can kind

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of get into this, because obviously, you know,
these are the people influencing men.
22 year old Evan Jabot is a longtime
Joe Rogan listener and a Trump voter.
He says Trump's interview with Rogan allowed young
men to see a different side of the
president elect.
I'd give an answer, which was a very
good answer.
I always talk about, you know, I like

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to give long the weave.
Yeah, you like to weave things in.
But when you do.
And we got to hear a lot of
stories that Trump wouldn't typically say on the
road.
He uses a lot of rhetoric in his
rallies that you really didn't get on the
podcast.
And I think it was a refreshing view
of Trump.
Reaching young men who often listen to podcasts
and get their news from social media was
a deliberate effort by the Trump campaign, says

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GOP digital strategist Eric Wilson.
They had a theory that if you watch
cable news, whatever end of the political spectrum
you're on, you already had your mind made
up about the candidates and who you were
going to vote for.
They went out to these platforms where people
might not be as engaged in news and
current events to tell them about the election,

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tell them about the candidate.
A recent study from the Pew Research Center
found that about four in 10 voters under
30 regularly get their news from content creators.
OK, so this is notice.
They don't say podcasters because they didn't say
podcasts from their from Apple podcasts or Spotify.
There was no mention of that.

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It's about what's happening on social networks.
And I'm going to add TikTok and YouTube
to social networks.
So then on on the media, Instagram.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, of course.
On Twitter.
Yes.
But exactly.
And and X and Blue Cry, which is
the new name.
It's not Blue Sky.
It's Blue Cry.

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So Blue Cry.
Yeah, I like it.
Thank you.
So on the media, which is one of
my hate listens, they bring on someone who
is who has morphed her.
Her presence in media as many times.
Rene D'Aresta.

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Do you remember Rene D'Aresta?
No, but can I can I stop you
for a second and mention one thing?
Yeah.
That guy that that that famous Democrat super
donor that with the southern accent, I think
it's from Louisiana or Florida, was on one
of these pot.
The guy who said that Biden nominated Harris

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to screw with the Democrat Party.
Yeah, that guy.
Yeah.
He was very well connected.
He says that.
And I think we may have mentioned this,
but I should mention it again, that it
was Barron Trump.
That talked his dad, his dad into doing
podcasts.
All of them.
That's what Trump said.
So we'll have to believe it.

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Trump said that it was Barron.
OK, well, I didn't know that.
Yeah, because I heard from this guy.
And it's interesting that Barron had influence.
And so did Donald, because Donald's the one
who pushed J.D. Vance.
It's he's he's a family man and he
listens to his family.
That is in general a good idea.
Yes.
Yeah.
So D'Aresta, she was involved with the

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Council for Responsible Social Media.
She worked at the Stanford Internet Observatory.
Whatever.
Oh, yes.
You remember her now?
I know her.
Yep.
Yeah.
She's the one who had the details years
ago that most Internet traffic was pirate piracy.

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Yeah.
She had some good numbers, too.
Well, and this is even though I don't
like her.
I remember even when I when I was
on Rogan, I said, Joe, she's no good.
She is literally on your show to propagandize
stuff.
And I think she was involved in some
of the early kind of censorship things.
Somehow, I I think it was her group

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that, if I recall, was trying to prove
that you could deplatform, you know, deplatform someone
by calling out a brand.
And they actually were deplatforming people by calling
out brands.
It's very murky, but she always comes out.
She has a new position.
She's somewhere else in some hoity toity place.

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And now she's written a book.
So she's back.
CNN has also seen a decline at a
time when more and more people are getting
their news from social media, perhaps in part
because influencers seem less compromised than the legacy
press.
A new Pew Research report this week found
that roughly 20 percent of Americans and 37
percent of adults under 30 are getting their

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news from content creators.
Most of the accounts with over 100,000
followers are men with no professional journalist.
Yeah.
You can interrupt as much as you want.
I'll be.
Well, you know me.
Isn't a newspaper reporter for the San Francisco
Chronicle a content creator?

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That would be a reporter is what I'd
call that.
But he's creating content.
It's it's a it's a horrible term.
In fact, Spotify is vague.
In reality, it is a vague term that's
let's say one step further.
It's a meaningless trope, meaningless trope.
There you go.
That is another great show title, meaningless trope.

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They use that because they never would want
to categorize anyone who who does something that
is not sanctioned or part of a mainstream
outlet.
They're not going to look.
They're never going to call John C.
Dvorak a journalist or even a columnist.
You are a podcaster or a content creator.
It's it's disparaging.

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It's meant to be disparaging.
And it's also meant to be able to
lump everybody into one category.
Spotify just change.
They have a hosting service.
They change Spotify for podcasters into Spotify for
creators.
You see?
So, yes, artists are creators.
I don't like it at all, at all.

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But that's what they're going with.
Most of the accounts with over 100000 followers
are men with no professional journalistic training.
They're also slightly more likely to be right
leaning to understand this new media landscape.
We're going to need to update some old
ideas about how powerful institutions spread their messages.
And for that, we turn to Renee D

(29:11):
'Aresta, Georgetown University research professor and author of
the book Invisible Rulers.
The people who turn lies into reality.
So she's moved.
She's moved to Washington, D.C. now.
She went from Stanford now.
She's in the thick of it.
She's at Georgetown, Washington University.
OK.

(29:31):
Spook.
I would say so.
So she says some very I just have
a couple of shortish clips.
She says some very interesting things about this
new world.
And I kind of got interested in this
because we made almost like we had an
offhanded conversation.
You said the turnover on this show is

(29:53):
high.
We've got it.
That's a problem.
And and people started saying, well, that's because
you're either a you're not consistent in your
beliefs or, you know, what was the other
one?
I had another one here.
Consistent.
You're not consistent.
I countered that quite nicely.
I thought.
But then you had something to say.
You said.

(30:13):
But you indicate you're going to reveal because
the season of reveal on the show.
I'm doing this now.
I'm in right now.
You are.
No, I'm witnessing.
You are.
And I'm being mad about it.
You are living in the season of reveal.
And so, in fact, one of our producers
said, you know, the observation about this is,

(30:35):
he says, I agree with observation.
The two of you made is I think
this infighting.
And I was talking about the new TDS
versus TDS classic is almost an inevitable.
So he's like, OK, it's because of the
broad coalition, Trump, et cetera.
But he says the the the problem is
that on one show will excoriate someone like

(30:56):
we just did and said, oh, you're Yale,
you're Georgetown University, you're a spook.
And then when I talk about people infighting
about Trump's nominees and everyone arguing about that,
you know, then I tell them they have
Trump derangement syndrome.
And both things can be true.
You know, so it's but it's a different

(31:19):
problem and a different issue.
And I think I can I can find
or at least indicate the source of where
all of this is coming from, where all
of these arguments come from.
So we continue with the rest.
And now, because the secret sauce to these
creators, which we are not, we are.
I can squarely say we are not like

(31:39):
these creators on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, X, Blue
Cry, et cetera.
When you read these social media posts of
people who are distrustful of media, they are
effectively saying that they really do believe at
this point that there is some sort of
collusion between media and government and the press
is not telling them the truth.
And this is one of these areas where

(32:00):
there had been this great hope, I think,
that by creating a theoretically gatekeeper free media
environment, we would create a flourishing new independent
press that would, you know, enjoy the confidence
and the trust of the public.
Stop it again.
Sure.
Now, this is an interesting commentary because she

(32:23):
was part of it and it was a
I would say this was I don't remember
how many years ago, maybe 20 years ago
when the Internet first started going.
And and of all people, Dan Gilmore and
others promoted the idea and wrote a book.
He wrote a book called Citizen Journalist and
they were promoting the idea that this was

(32:44):
over.
The gatekeepers were done because we have citizen
journalism and approve us.
Sources go direct is another one.
Sources go direct.
Yeah, all that was a big deal.
And these are the same people that were
promoting the idea of citizen journalists and all
this is the way it's going to be.
And this is the greatest thing ever.
And now.

(33:05):
Yeah.
And but the point she makes is that
in general, there is a distrust of media
thinking there is collusion.
And I will say in many parts in
the world where there is like a government.
Oh, everywhere.
Government finance media.
Where is it there?
There is collusion between government and between, well,

(33:26):
news, but maybe all media.
So her points are valid about the feeling.
You know, enjoy the confidence and the trust
of the public that was not subjected to
the same incentives and that we would have
this rising trust in a burgeoning new media.
And, of course, that's not exactly what happens.
And all of a sudden you have new
gatekeepers and new incentives and new structures and

(33:51):
new means of sharing information.
You have the most empowered public you've ever
had as far as the role that individual
people can play in shaping public opinion and
amplifying news that they like and sharing content
with their friends.
So you have a fundamental shift in who
can be a content creator, who can tell
stories.

(34:11):
In this particular case, we're talking about news
influencers who have over 100000 followers and those
followers play a very active role in amplifying
them.
And this is where it gets interesting, because.
What is happening in the I'll call it
view and like and click based citizen journalism

(34:34):
or creators, we don't play there for 17
years.
We have net we've never cared about how
many until funny enough as I'm putting this
together, you ask void zero.
Hey, man, you got any server stats, which
which as I think we both realized again
is completely useless.

(34:55):
Yeah, we have one hundred and twenty seven
million unique listeners in twenty twenty four.
OK, sure.
Sounds sounds right to me.
Right.
So but there's new incentives that this is
exactly what we do not do on the
no agenda show.
I think a lot of people see influencers
as these like, you know, the sort of

(35:16):
pied pipers like leading around the masses, you
know, but that's not what's actually happening.
The influencer maybe has more followers, but they're
often pulling content up from posts that their
followers are making as well.
One of the interesting phenomenons in the influencer
crowd relationship is this phenomenon called audience capture,
where you'll occasionally see audiences begin to demand.

(35:39):
Why aren't you talking about this?
Right.
That dynamic happened quite a lot in the
days after October 7th.
Why aren't you talking about Israel?
Why aren't you talking about Palestine, where people
felt that they should be applying pressure to
influencers who have reach, who can shape the
discourse, who can shape political opinion?
And the audience feels that the influencer should
be using that power in a particular way.

(36:01):
Right.
And it's really interesting to see those moments
take shape because you realize this is not
just a one sided relationship.
The influencer is absolutely dependent on the crowd
being there.
That's how they make their money.
That's how they have their influence.
That's how they have their reach.
And so they don't want to do too
much to alienate that crowd.

(36:22):
This is exactly the way newspapers work.
This is exactly the way newspapers work.
You get ahold of the editor, you write
nasty notes to the editor.
Why aren't you talking about that?
What is she doing?
What is she?
This is ridiculous.
No, no, no.

(36:43):
She's making an excellent point.
This is a very good point.
And let me bring it home.
Come on.
And so they don't want to do too
much to alienate that crowd.
And so sometimes you'll see influencers becoming more
and more ideological if their audience grows in
a particular direction.
My point here is that when we started

(37:04):
this show, we never, never thought that we
would have to kowtow to any audience because
initially we didn't care at all.
We've never cared.
We've never cared about numbers.
And throughout just recent history, COVID, a lot
of people left in the beginning.
You guys are anti-vax.
You're nuts.

(37:25):
You're out of control.
We're all going to die.
This is a worldwide problem.
People are dying.
They're falling down dead in the street.
I mean, and by the way, the first
two weeks, I thought, oh, I like this
Berks lady before you say it.
And, you know, I was able to say,
oh, hold on a second.
They're showing me climate change statistics here.
We've got to reevaluate.

(37:46):
Then came Ukraine-Russia.
Twice, 2014, then again two years ago.
Do you remember the flak we got about
saying, no, this is bull crap, this Ukraine
thing?
Do you remember the flak we got?
We got a lot of flak for COVID.
We got a lot of flak except for
the people that stuck with it and finally

(38:07):
realized that we were right all along.
I want to mention this.
One of the reasons that we get things
right a lot is because we catch early,
like, for example, with COVID.
We caught that French guy, the French Nobel
Prize winner who is considered a screwball.

(38:30):
Who disappeared.
Who disappeared.
He is the one who immediately, as soon
as the genetic results were released of COVID
-19, he immediately saw it as an engineered
virus.
And he went on and on about it.
And he immediately said that it would decay

(38:51):
over time naturally because all these engineered viruses
do that.
And what he said made nothing but sense.
And he was one of those guys that
I always admire people like this who can
look at something and immediately see things nobody
else can see.
Because that's their whole, their brain is just
structured the way it is.

(39:11):
They can just see stuff.
And so we always catch these guys early
on.
And also we can turn on a dime.
Thank you.
And, but most importantly, relevant to what Diresta
is saying here and what you just said
about how newspapers work, etc.
We have never kowtowed to the mass audience.

(39:33):
Otherwise, we'd be sitting here right now telling
everybody about the genocide in Palestine that the
evil Zionist Jews have done.
We have other things to discuss.
We don't see this.
Or World War III.
Well, you're leading me down the path in
my season of reveal.
But let's stay with this incentive, which is,
and this is the culture war economy.

(39:54):
This is the culture war economy.
This is why Megan Kelly does what she
does.
Why Tucker Carlson does what he does.
Why Pool Boy, although he seems to be
falling off the map now that his money
dried up.
Bongino, Alex Jones.
They all want to have their audience consistently

(40:15):
agreeing with them and them agreeing with their
audience.
And then because it is click and view
based and subscription based media, they're very afraid
to blow their business model.
So this is just one incentive that is
shaping some influencers to the point that they
might become propagandists.

(40:35):
What are some other incentives that are shaping
this new media environment?
The ecosystem relies a lot on direct patronage.
You see substack writers making money directly from
subscriptions themselves.
That creates particular incentives in order to appeal
to a group of people to gain your
initial following.
You're incentivized to appeal to a niche, right?

(40:57):
To sort of start somewhere as a person
who talks about a particular topic and then
to kind of expand out from there.
You're incentivized to be entertaining, right?
To be sensational.
Get as many engagements as possible.
As many people engaging and reacting and commenting
and paying attention to their content.
And this is an incredible challenge because you

(41:18):
have to capture attention in an extraordinarily noisy,
very, very fast paced environment.
And I'm going to tell you that Rogan
does this, too.
He has also pivoted along.
He was always very, oh, I don't want
to say anything that'll make people mad.
And he does that a lot.
And now he's switched a little bit with
the crowd that has come along with him.

(41:38):
And I'm not saying, I'm not blaming anybody,
but we don't make our, our income doesn't
come from that system.
We've always said, if you don't like what
we're doing, don't listen.
If you don't like it, don't support us.
And if we don't get enough to pay
our rent, we're going to stop doing it.
Has it ever been any different, our message?
Not really, but I want to go back
to what she said, which is she's describing

(42:02):
mass media before any of this.
If you're a columnist for the San Francisco
Examiner, the Chronicle back in the day, or
the New York Times or the Chicago Sun
-Times or the Chicago Tribune, you're competing with
other.
You have to be entertaining.
You have to get people to read the
damn column because it goes back to the

(42:24):
editors.
They're going to fire you.
Everything she's saying applies to mass media.
She's extrapolating.
This is such bull crap.
My point is, say goodbye to the old
boss.
Hello to the new boss.
Thank you.
You made my point.
There is nothing new about the new media.

(42:44):
It is exactly the same model, exactly the
same reasons.
But there is a twist that I think
they're overlooking.
When I look at the sensationalism of what
was just on Alex Jones with General Flynn,
a general, I guess you're a general forever,

(43:04):
an important cog.
Yeah, you are.
Generally, you're a general.
Mind you, I spent Tuesday scrolling a little
bit, a little doom scrolling on X, and
all the Ukraine flags were out again, all
the Ukraine flags.
And they're like, oh, oh, Curry host of,
in quotes, no agenda, who never even played

(43:28):
the full Victorian Newland call.
I'm like, dude, we played the whole five
minutes so many times.
You never put it in context.
And there was one of those.
Paul, we're the only, I want to, since
you, part of the theme here is tooting

(43:48):
our own horn, which is somewhat repulsive, but
at the same time necessary once in a
while.
I will mention we're the only podcast I
know of to this day that ever played
the Sandy Hook 9-1-1 call.
Oh, really?
We're one of the only ones?
I think we're the only one.

(44:10):
So moving on.
Just mentioning in its entirety.
So we, yes, we played when that Newland
thing came out, we played the whole thing.
It went on forever.
But so, so I respond to this guy
or whatever, John Smith, 52960.
So you already know what that is.
You know what that is.
Is it a bot?
Is it just a troll?

(44:30):
I have my thoughts.
Then all of a sudden all the Ukraine
flags come out and they start attacking and
you have to look at this.
And haven't you seen how this and literally
like, oh, look at what's happened to Lauren
Southern.
She took Russian money.
You're right.
You're Putin propaganda.
So when this happens, like, OK, now we
know at this very moment, NATO is incredibly

(44:50):
afraid of Trump coming in, pulling the plug.
You know, they they want to keep the
money moving the war machine.
And, you know, Trump has a different war
machine strategy in his mind as far as
we're concerned for China.
And it's going to be great for our
economy.
Big, beautiful ships are going to have star
shields, all kinds of stuff.
But it's not going to be NATO and
it's not going to be for Ukraine.

(45:12):
So they're out there trying to work the
networks and influence the influencers.
I'll put Glenn Beck in there, too.
All of these people who are clickbait like
old media who need to appease their audience
to keep them spun up with whatever they're
spun up about.
But they're being spun up, too.
And they're being, I think, influence.

(45:34):
And it's from people like Flynn who go.
This is a general who is going on
to Infowars to do this.
The advent of World War three.
We are in the midst of it.
The exchange of nuclear, very provocative nuclear capable
weapons have already been have already occurred.
Alex has done an amazing job over these

(45:55):
last couple of weeks.
Really talking about great.
And I know we have talked about this,
talking about the shift in Russia's nuclear policy,
talking about first use.
And I want people to, you know, he
asked me prior about Secretary Austin and what
Secretary Austin's comments were.
And I think that, you know, what Putin
did when he fired this missile, he gave

(46:17):
what I call the ultimate warning.
The ultimate warning message from Vladimir Putin to
not to Ukraine, but to the West to
say, hey, folks, look, we are not.
I have a responsibility.
Now I'm putting my my feet, which I've
had to do for my entire military career,
was to put my feet into the boots

(46:38):
of our enemies.
OK, so my my analysis of where President
Putin is at is he's got to sit
there with his own people and say we
are going to protect the sovereignty of our
country.
We are going to protect the safety and
security of our citizenry.
And I can't allow a nuclear capable, offensive,
provocative weapon to be fired into Russia without

(46:59):
some type of of response, without some type
of adjustment in my military and in my
political, my diplomatic posture.
So this guy is one of these military
people who is spreading this this war, fear
mongering stuff, just like the grid's going to
go down.
There will be no election like McGregor, another

(47:21):
another ex-military guy.
And if you look for since 2011, really
since the 70s, but 2011, the Defense Agency
Research Project has funded multiple studies about social
media in strategic communication.
They have been used.
And so that's when I when I see
these Ukraine flags come out.
This is military operations and they influence people.

(47:44):
And I don't want to say they're weak
brothers and sisters, but they are.
And they're all they are.
They are.
Totally.
They're all.
And this is the influencers.
This is the creators.
And we only need to go back to
the State Department with Hillary Clinton to be
reminded why Smith Mundt was basically scrapped in
2012 under Obama.

(48:05):
I mean, the old days of, you know,
radio free Europe and getting and beaming in
accurate information into the homes of Russians.
We should be doing everything we can now
online to replicate that.
It will be very difficult for Putin to
plug all the holes in that dike.
Information going into Russia about what Putin is

(48:27):
actually doing with this unprovoked attack on Ukraine
can keep people energized.
And I think that's something that we should
be doing, as I say, both through our
government, but also individuals who have the capacity
to do that.
Our tech companies should not be aiding Russia
in this attack in any way.
They should be aiding those who are standing

(48:48):
for freedom, which, after all, is something that,
you know, they're supposed to be on the
side of.
So a lot of this came out of
the State Department.
It had a name.
And Victoria Nuland, when she was the spokeswoman,
told us about it.
The Baltic countries, Poland, a number of our
Eastern European allies have long experience with responding
to disinformation on the part of Russia.

(49:10):
Are we coordinating that effort in any way?
Absolutely, Senator.
I think you know the State Department's Global
Engagement Center, which you all helped us stand
up and supported.
We work 24-7 with other allies and
partners, not just in Europe, but around the
world to bring to light Russian disinformation campaigns

(49:32):
and who is pushing them.
We also work with the tech companies.
We work with the tech companies, of course
we do.
And it's not the censorship industrial complex is
the cover.
That's the cover.
It's not about censoring people.
That's so we can all go nuts.
The shadow banning me.
No one gives a crap.

(49:54):
It's about using the networks to actually.
You said this so best.
The Internet only made it easier for the
propaganda.
It didn't make it so, oh, we'll all
have better information.
No, it made it so that influencers and
creators are getting all this stuff.
I think tech companies are actually heating some

(50:15):
of these accounts to bubble them to the
top.
It's the opposite, which shows what Mike Benz
is really about.
He's always talking about, oh, the censorship industrial
complex, the State Department's Global Engagement Center.
It wasn't about censorship.
It was about propagandizing us.
As we this is Lumpkin in 2018 from

(50:35):
the State Department's Global Engagement Center.
As we work the data piece and it
gives us the ability instead of just throwing
a message out and hope it lands.
We can actually I call that kind of
meat cleaver messaging as you throw it out
there.
And hopefully it hits the right audience as
we have the ability.

(50:57):
And I'll use an example of something we've
started this year, and this is using Facebook
ads.
I can go within Facebook.
I can I can go grab an audience.
I can I'll give a hypothetical.
I can pick country X.
I need age group 13 to 34.
I need people who who've liked, you know,

(51:17):
whether it's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or any
other set.
And I can shoot and hit them directly
with messages for in some places in the
world.
It's literally pennies a click to do.
So you add the ability to actually manage
and identify and see your audience based on

(51:38):
their social media preferences.
Does it get any better than that?
The entire advertising system is set up for
our own government to propagandize exactly who they
want.
So let me get some Dan Bongino listeners
or viewers.
I can get them right with advertising tools.
Here's Tom Shanker of The New York Times

(51:58):
from 2011 talking about the U.S. military
doing this.
Yeah, it certainly did.
What the American military intelligence can do is
forge the watermarks or certification, if you will,
of official Al-Qaeda postings.
Because they don't want people going online and
pretending to be them.
But, you know, American cyber technology is so

(52:19):
advanced that they can have a near near
perfect recreation of an Al-Qaeda message.
And what they're doing from time to time
is going on to jihadi websites and posting
conflicting and contradictory orders.
Statements that raise doubt about who the jihadi
should follow and who's really in charge.
And is this person still alive?

(52:40):
Are they still in control?
And the goal is to really disrupt the
entire network by sowing distrust and dissent and
confusion.
We've been told that they've had some great
successes at that.
Yes.
Right here in America.
Great successes with it.
By sowing distrust and confusion amongst Americans.

(53:01):
Final clip.
Yes.
And before you wrapped it with the final
clip, this all harkens back to the note
that that dumb wife of that one of
our producers left on the back door.
Yes.
Yes.
It's all sides.
It's all sides.
And we all fall in love with these.
Oh, this guy's great.

(53:22):
He says exactly what I think.
Yeah, of course.
That's his or her business model.
And meanwhile, they're getting everything from the audience
capture.
Man, how many how many trolls and spooks
and are actually military people doing their business?
Because in 2011, the State Department already had

(53:43):
7000 of them working on this stuff.
Nearly, we spend nearly $70 million a year
on these programs, both in Iran and around
the world.
At the same time, we're also developing and
distributing new technologies, more than 20 of them,
to empower activists around the globe to access

(54:05):
uncensored censored content on the Internet and to
communicate with each other and to tell their
stories.
And to date, we've funded the training of
more than 7500 activists around the world in
these programs.
So the old model of the spooks and
the spokes holes going on to CNN, MSNBC

(54:28):
and whatever to give you the messaging is
over.
It's now online.
It's on social media networks.
And the creators are being boosted, maybe even
boosted to make sure they do get a
lot of money.
Hey, wait a minute.
This message I'm spreading right now is really
working.
I should not stop doing that.

(54:50):
And then when you have the largest one
of the largest government contractors, certainly for military
buying a social media network, you've just got
to consider what's going on.
And you're no agenda show is not part
of that model because we're struggling with 17

(55:11):
years and we are not millionaires from this
business.
Because we've never played that, we've never cared
about it, and we're not in the right
system.
This is why everyone.
Oh, if you want to you want a
podcast, you've got to be on YouTube.
Of course, because they have algorithms that can
be boosted.
If you've got the right message, let's give
these guys a little boost, either through 7000

(55:34):
people liking them.
I don't know what they're doing.
This is the last four years of this
show that we're facing now are going to
be interesting.
To me, very interesting to see how people
fall into what they believe is truth because
it's not from the mainstream media and it's
coming from their favorite creators.

(55:57):
That's a good one.
It just dawned on me like, wow, this
is happening and it's it's going to be
interesting to watch.
See, I had this right 30 plus years
ago.
The Internet should have been shuttered immediately.
Shut it down right away.

(56:17):
It's no good.
It's too late.
It's way too late.
And then, you know, when you hear, you
know, like this, as you thought, I'm sure
you're not following Romania.
I mean, why would we?
But Romania now has yet another far right
populist.
And, you know, how did he do it?
Gee, I don't know.

(56:38):
Rising results that we can see with the
far right.
All right.
First, and he's now followed by Elena Lasko.
She's the candidate of the progressive liberal USR
party.
She mainly gathered the votes of pro European
voters, but also undecided voters.

(57:00):
On the other hand, was not expected to
to to reach the runoff.
He was credited with about seven percent of
votes maximum by by the polls.
The previous before the elections happened.
And this is a surprise.
But many analysts are saying that the power

(57:20):
of social media, especially TikTok, has been largely
underestimated.
And so and so when you read that
Trump, that Trump is going to credential creators,
YouTubers and podcasters to be in the press
briefing briefing.
What do you think that's about?

(57:41):
It's obvious.
That's the that's the new way.
And Trump gets it like you got to
bring.
And these are all.
Hey, man, if I got invited to the
White House for anything, I'd be like, wow,
this is cool.
Yeah, well, that's like, remember, they brought the
years ago for it started with bloggers.
They brought the bloggers to the convention, the

(58:01):
Democrat or Republican.
You know, it's a bunch of bloggers, but
the bloggers.
Yeah, but the bloggers see this is this
is what they gave way to the podcasters.
Well, hold on.
Bloggers got no juice and they got no
juice.
That's why the social I mean, when Twitter
started, it was RSS feed based, actually.
And that's why it failed all the time.
But it was the algorithm that heat stuff

(58:25):
up to the top that made it interesting
so that somebody could go viral.
Your ego kicks in, your greed kicks in.
Now you're wide open.
Hey, come to the White House.
Yeah, I'll post whatever you want.
Trump, you rock.
Clinton, Obama, whatever.
You rock podcasters.
We have no algorithm.
So there's no way for us to be
go viral or go to the top.

(58:46):
That's why these social networks are the key
to the propaganda, to the messaging.
This is how it works.
It's so human.
Like if all of a sudden you're doing
100 million views, like I got to do
more of this.
Yeah.
No, you get 100 million views on something.
You you you have to assume you're a

(59:07):
genius.
Well, no doubt.
I really know.
I'm that good.
I'm that good.
So clearly we need to have a no
agenda reporter at the White House and we're
going to credential someone.
Someone because it's in D.C., we probably
thought D.C. girl would be the good

(59:29):
one to get.
Well, she's got D.C. in her name.
She does.
So she should be our no agenda representative
in the in the briefing room.
I mean, it makes so much sense.
This is and you're right.
It's goodbye to the say goodbye to the
old boss.
Hello to the new boss.
It's the exact same thing.
And when you step out of your out
of your line, well, you're not doing it

(59:50):
right.
Then all of a sudden your views are
going to drop.
It's so obvious.
And I'm not even accusing Elon Musk of
doing anything nefarious.
I mean, they just go in, use the
advertising system.
Who do I need to target?
OK, let me get some.
Let me get some Megyn Kelly people here.

(01:00:10):
All right.
I'll just select all of them.
Click, click, click.
I'm going to start to start making some
noise that I think is important.
Bubble that to the top.
It's perfect.
It's a perfect system.
It's a giant scam.
And we're not a part of it.
Somehow we've missed every single huge money making
opportunity in the lifetime of the show.

(01:00:32):
Yeah, but the problem is it's a double
edged sword with us.
We have at least we have a baseline
of consistency.
We even know people say we're inconsistent.
That's not true.
We're extremely consistent the way we look at
things.
We are pretty much apolitical.
People don't want to accept that because, you

(01:00:52):
know, we don't didn't like Harris.
I think we can both agree on that.
She was just a no good.
No good.
No good.
She's no good.
She was I have my thoughts on it,
which is even more extreme.
And you're a California boy.
That's why you're out there.
You know, you know the story, you know,
the background.

(01:01:12):
And so they in fact, we Mimi was
always mentioned.
We would run into her and Willie Brown
at Star's Restaurant quite a few times.
Yes, yes.
You have mentioned this.
And I bumped and Jeff talked to him.
He's a he's a close talker.
Another one.
Oh, does he spit or just.
I didn't get any of that, but he's

(01:01:34):
a close talker.
And he I have learned a lot of
close talkers over over the years.
It's always like you.
You keep very slowly trying to back up.
And it's just like you can't do it.
And by the way, just so just to
show you how rampant this corruption is.
I mean, this is a very short clip
and it's really there's gambling going on.
But, you know, the ongoing feud between Drake

(01:01:56):
and Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar.
They're doing these diss tracks back and forth
like, hey, man, you're not a part of
the culture, Drake, because, you know, you're a
Canadian.
First of all, you're part Jewish.
You're half white.
So you're not part of the culture.
You need to shut up.
And now Drake is like, well, hold on
a second.
Someone's playing.
I'm not playing fair.

(01:02:17):
A heated feud between two popular rappers is
now turning into a legal battle.
Drake has filed a lawsuit against Universal Music
Group or UMG, claiming it falsely infiltrate inflated.
The popularity of Kendrick Lamar song Not Like
Us.
Lamar released the single back in May as
a diss track against Drake.
According to Spotify, the song has more than
900 million streams.

(01:02:38):
But Drake's suit argues that UMG use bots
and launched a pay to play scheme to
increase those numbers and make the song go
viral.
UMG denies the claims.
It's also worth noting.
Drake is currently represented by Republic Records, which
is a division of UMG.
Yes, there's gambling going on.
Of course, it's the same mechanism.

(01:02:59):
We want this feud to keep going.
So now we're going to boost him and
then we'll.
Yeah, there's all you know, I don't.
By the way, I'm not following any of
this.
I don't care about it.
I think it's dumb.
But the fact that there's a kind of
one company zone by the other and they're
suing each other, but it's not really is
it's a phony bologna deal.
Like the fact that Taylor Swift has the

(01:03:19):
same basic agent that that Kelsey has the
same, you know, running through the same sports
agency.
Yeah, it's wrestling.
It's wrestling.
Yes.
Yes.
And by the way, there's there's Dana White
with Trump saying this is all because of
my great fighters.
I mean, the great podcasters, it's literally the

(01:03:41):
wrestling guy talking about his, you know, is
not really his stable, but talking about the
players in the game.
You know, Joe Rogan works for him.
Yes.
It's the players in the game, not I'm
not I'm not saying that Joe is phony
because he's he's not.
He's obviously not phony.

(01:04:03):
He's not.
He's just a naturally, you know, I've watched
him on and off.
And I have to say he's a good
comedian.
He's not a super a class, but he's
good.
He's a good comedian.
He knows what he's doing.
He's a good actor when he was acting.
He's a great host.
He's done a lot of TV.

(01:04:23):
He is a tremendously good commentator on UFC
and conversationalist.
He's a great conversationalist, fabulous conversationalist.
But when you have not an interviewer either,
it's like, no, but then people come on
his show, you know, because they're doing the
rounds there, you know, there or they're bubbling
under or there's something interesting.

(01:04:44):
And he's just talking in there.
They're throwing out the messaging.
And he has he's he's probably the most
talented guy there that has been around for
a long time.
It's just, in fact, he's probably underpowered.
Now, there's a way to look at it.
He needs more flavor crystals.

(01:05:07):
He's underpowered by underpowered.
I mean, he could be at, you know,
George Clooney level of celebrity.
Easy, but he's I think he may be
that level.
I think in a subtext, he is, but
not in a in a in a worldwide
sense that Clooney is, let's say you'd be
surprised how many people.

(01:05:29):
I'm not saying the fact that I'm saying
what I'm saying indicates that he's not at
the Clooney level.
Close, though, I think he's close.
He needs a tequila.
He's a tequila brand that he'll really not
like, for example, he's not showing his pictures,
not showing up in the in the gossip
rags.
This is not.
No, it's not.
No.
Well, it's because he doesn't play that game.

(01:05:51):
He doesn't play that game.
No, he doesn't.
He plays that game.
But that's what I'm saying.
He's underpowered.
Yes.
Yeah.
OK.
And I think he likes it that way.
I bet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who the hell needs the other aggravation?
Tell me about it.
I have two clips, quick ones, which is
just kind of fun, because, again, because you

(01:06:12):
mentioned you brought up Kamala and and they're
still trying to figure out who.
What happened?
I don't understand what happened.
Well, no one wanted her.
And the most important, important thing you could
have in today's world is authenticity.
And that's why.
President Trump going on Rogan and talking for

(01:06:33):
three hours, people could sit there and make
up their own minds.
It was that easy.
No one can talk for three hours and
be cagey and couched and not show their
three hours and show their true personality.
So they're still trying to figure it out.
And they have this woman on.
This is Pod Save America, who are supposed

(01:06:54):
to be the people who got who got
Kamala elected because they're podcasters.
It was a podcast election, wasn't it?
How come you didn't do your job, Pod
Save America?
Aren't you the number one podcast?
This is Jen O'Malley Dillon, who was the
campaign chair.
This is a series of great clips.
I would say I mean, look, look, I

(01:07:15):
am not a media hater by any measure.
And I think that she's I'm not a
media hater, but it was the media's fault.
You know, we women don't get far in
life talking about double standard.
So that's not the point.
The media is misogynist now.
I do think a narrative.
One hundred seven days, two weeks because of

(01:07:35):
a hurricane, two weeks talking about how she
didn't do interviews, which, you know, she was
doing plenty.
But we were doing in our own way.
We had to, you know, be the nominee
who had to find a running mate and
do a rollout.
I mean, there was all these things that
you kind of want to factor in.
But real people heard in some way that
we were not going to have interviews, which

(01:07:58):
was both not true.
Real people like CNN, MSNBC, all of your
real people were saying this.
And also so counter to any kind of
standard that was put on Trump that I
think there was a problem.
And then on top of that, we would
do an interview.
And to Stephanie's point, here's the best part.
The questions were small and processy and about

(01:08:22):
like dumb.
She is actually claiming that these obvious softball,
lame, lame interviews that they didn't want that.
And that was the media who decided to
do that all of their own accord.
And they I mean, this is very hard

(01:08:43):
to believe.
They were not.
Well, hold on a couple of things.
I've just heard her buddy that's also there
says dumb.
She throws a word dumb and twice, actually.
Yeah.
And it was pointed out by the Fox
folk.
Fred Bear had her on it.
She'd only do 21 minutes, period.
And they were cut.
They were jumping supposedly behind the scenes.

(01:09:05):
They're talking about this.
They told her to cut it off, cut
it off.
You got to stop.
You got to stop.
You got to get off the stage.
They were late to the interview to begin
with.
This is bull crap.
She's just a liar.
And processy and about like they were they
were not informing another point.

(01:09:26):
She uses the word processy.
You notice.
Yes.
They were small and processy.
What she meant by that was they were
asking her.
How to questions, in other words, the process,
he means, well, what are you going to
do to stop inflation?
Well, what are you going to do to
end the war?
Well, what are you going to do?

(01:09:47):
What are you going to do to do
this and that?
That's that's what she means by processy.
And those are questions they didn't want to
answer.
No, of course not.
Because she had no answers.
Small and processy and about like good catch.
They were they were not informing a voter
who was trying to listen to learn more
or to understand.

(01:10:08):
And I'm not saying that that, you know,
the whole system was focused on us incorrectly.
I'm just saying, like, again, of the things
we need to explore as we move forward
as a campaign and as a country.
From our viewpoint, actually, this is quite interesting
because our take has always been that the
system wanted Trump to win.
So it is entirely possible that she's telling

(01:10:30):
the truth from her perspective and that the
whole system was geared toward getting Trump to
win by doing this purposely against their wishes.
Seems hard to believe, but it is a
possibility.
That does a disservice to voters.
And, you know, I think back and think
we should have signaled more of our strategy
early on about podcasts and who we were
trying to reach.
And but we had a limited amount of

(01:10:52):
time to reach.
The people are trying to reach and we
were trying to go to them.
But being up against a narrative that we
weren't doing anything or we were afraid to
have interviews is completely bull and also like
took hold a little bit.
And we just gave us another thing we
had to fight back for that Trump never
had to worry about.
And they were unfair towards Trump, again, going
towards our basic thesis.

(01:11:13):
Now, the the money shot question, of course,
is about the appearance on The Rogan Show.
This is where she falls apart and just
lies.
Should Kamala Harris have gone on Rogan?
Can you can you just not to be
tedious about it?
Could you talk a little bit about how
close you came to doing it?
Why it didn't happen?
Yeah, there's a lot of intrigue around this.

(01:11:34):
A lot of theories.
It's it's pretty simple.
We wanted to do it.
It you know, I hate to repeat this
over and over, but it was a very
short race with a limited number of days.
And for a candidate to leave the battleground
to go to Houston, which is what?

(01:11:57):
Did you hear what she said to leave
the battleground to go to Houston?
It's not a Houston.
No, no.
Listen, you'll hear it in a second.
Houston, which is a day off the playing
field in the battleground.
You know, getting that timing right is really
important.
So we had discussions with Joe Rogan's team.

(01:12:20):
I love the team part.
It's one guy, Matt, one guy who answers
the phone.
Hello, it's Matt.
Oh, you want to go on, Joe?
Well, yeah, we can do this.
Sure.
When do you want to do it?
Well, you only want to do one hour.
No, that's not the for you.
Don't want to do it in his studio.
No, no.
We do everything in the studio and it's
open at least three hours.

(01:12:42):
So talking with his team is a lie.
They were great.
They wanted us to come on.
He's not they them.
It's a he.
It's Matt.
It's not they them.
Great.
They wanted us to come on.
We wanted to come on.
We tried to get a date to make
it work.
And ultimately, we just weren't able to find
a date.
We did go to Houston.
And she gave a great speech at an

(01:13:04):
amazing event.
The Beyonce event?
Yes.
Well, I'm going to call it Reproductive Freedom.
There you go.
So they chose the Reproductive Freedom event with
Beyonce over Rogan.
That's it.
They thought that that would play better with
the audience.
That was the decision they made.
And they could have done it.
They're in Texas.
Hop, skip, and a jump.

(01:13:25):
You could have popped right down, but no.
Yeah, you can take a puddle jumper.
They had a private jet.
They did not.
They were afraid that she would, as we
say in Holland, in the old country, do
it a month fuller.
She would fall out of the bottom of
the basket.
I know.
It's another great Dutchism, isn't it?

(01:13:47):
I'm glad you have a long tip of
your tongue.
I want to play two clips that are
pretty obscure, but it's James Carville who's been
on everything.
Because he was right about everything.
Well, he was wrong about it.
He's the one who got by him and
Axelrod, or the two guys that were part
of the system, which included Pelosi and Schumer

(01:14:10):
and others, and George Clooney, who's now hiding.
Hiding, yes.
To get rid of Biden.
And he was part of it.
He's the only one that's still talking.
The rest of them all shut up and
they took off.
But this is on an obscure podcast.
Somebody sent it to me.
And I want to play these two clips,
because it refers to this woman, and here
we go.

(01:14:30):
I think you place some of that blame
on the Harris High Command.
I love that scene in the movie, The
Graduate, where he says, Benjamin, one word, son,
one word, plastics.
Plastics.
One word, audit.
So I have people that are contacting me
to run for DNC chair.
I promise you I'm not going to get
in the middle of that.
What is he saying?
You have to give me some, I can't

(01:14:51):
even hear the context of what he's talking
about.
He said the one word he wants, like
the word plastics in the movie, was audit.
He wants the audit.
He's sitting there steaming in his own juices
about the fact that they spent, and he
has numbers that are higher.
He claims they squandered $2.5 billion, $2
.5 billion, not $2 billion, not $1 billion,

(01:15:14):
$2.5. And he's demanding an audit.
He thinks that this is, the whole campaign
was just a giant money laundering scheme.
Well, how about this?
Everybody was on the money train, and it
was like, yeah, yeah, I'll do the podcast
with you.
Give me $500,000.

(01:15:35):
We'll build a really nice set.
Now, this brings us, you can play this
clip.
We can continue the clip in a second.
You want to play the clip?
Okay, go ahead.
Well, no, this brings us to the, as
it starts to be revealed, that's why the
audit would be interesting, is that our buddy,
the Rev, picked up $500,000 to interview

(01:15:57):
her on MSN, this is MSNBC, who I
complained about over and over again, but MSNBC
is obviously one of the most corrupt news
operations out of NBC that the nation has.
You don't give somebody a half a million
dollars to put them on and interview them
with the softball interview, which is exactly what

(01:16:19):
happened.
By the way, the No Agenda show is
very open to this kind of operation.
Yeah, we'll take it.
Yeah, we'll, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're good.
We're good.
We're good.
Don't worry about it, boys.
One word, audit.
So I have people that are contacting me
to run for DNC chair.
I promise you I'm not going to get
in the middle of that.

(01:16:39):
Anybody, and I don't have a vote, or
I don't have an opinion, no one cares,
but I would say the policy number one
is we're going to audit everything.
We're going to audit the campaign.
We're going to audit Future Forward.
We're going to audit the DNC.
So people would know, but I'm telling you,
without complete transparency, the campaign, we think, raised

(01:17:00):
a billion and a half dollars.
Okay?
We know that Future Forward, last we saw,
was 900 million, so we can assume that
they got to a billion before election.
That's two and a half fricking billion dollars.
Do you have any idea where that money
went?
Does anybody have any idea where that money
went?
I mean, I have some places I started
looking, and it's all, Albert, I promise you

(01:17:22):
this, the amount of money and the amount
of lobbyists that were involved in this campaign
is staggering.
It's staggering.
Well, talk more about that, James, because that's
not what the Democrats are supposed to be.
So we had this discussion that we thought

(01:17:43):
when Harris was asked the money question, would
you have done anything different than Biden?
I thought, I think you did too, but
I'll let you speak for yourself.
She just froze.
She just, I want to be loyal to
Biden.
I just can't bring myself to her side,
which was a very bad answer, but an
understandably human answer.

(01:18:04):
So then, sorry, Stephanie Cutter, and she goes
on Pod Save America.
No, that was by design.
The reason she gave didn't even make any
sense.
Oh, oh, okay.
Who's Stephanie Cutter?
That's the woman that was, you were playing
on Pod Save America.
No, that's not Stephanie Cutter.
That's someone else.

(01:18:24):
No, the woman that, she was in that
group.
Oh, okay, okay.
I think she may have been the one
that said dumb, dumb.
Okay, okay, okay.
So that was by design.
But it's all part of the same.
This is the echelon that he's bitching about.
So let's go to part two.
All right, so Stephanie Cutter owns a firm
called Precision Strategies, who Jeff O'Malley, Dylan, used

(01:18:46):
to work for.
That much we know, all right?
And we think we know that they got
a lot of the buy.
I don't know, but there has to be
an audit.
Oh, so a lot of the money went
to Pod Save America?
No, no, they're talking about this strategies company
that Kamala hired, and he says they got
a lot of the buy.

(01:19:06):
Oh, so they got a percentage of the
advertising buys.
Right, when you got a piece of the
buys where you're the advertising agency, and you're
doling, you got all this money, you're throwing
it out there because you're getting 10%
of it.
Yeah, so she's, I think it's 15.
I think agency fee is 15.
Okay, could be 15, could be 20 by
now.
But whatever it is, the more you spend,
the more you make.

(01:19:27):
So you have to get rid of this
money.
So they were throwing money away to get
money.
That's great.
That's what he wanted the audit for, and
that's what he's bitching about.
And I think that's exactly what happened.
They had these, there was just too much,
they got a, if you remember when Kamala
first got nominated, as it were, if you

(01:19:48):
want to call it that, they picked up
like almost a billion dollars on the spot.
Right away, yeah, it was in the kitty.
And so they had, all of a sudden,
it's a bonanza.
You're sitting there on a pile of money,
and you notice that you're sending out these
messages to everybody two or three times a
day, begging them for more money to get
all these little old ladies to throw their
$50 in.
And people who can't afford to donate, donating.

(01:20:12):
And you're sitting on all this money.
You've got to get rid of this money
as fast as you can to make the
money on the buy.
This is a giant money laundering operation for
all practical purposes.
What do you make, and I have a
minute 15 of it, what do you make
of the reason for Kamala Harris' obviously drunk

(01:20:33):
message to be put out there?
Is this more sabotage of her as a
human being?
Did theory, based on what I was watching,
because I've seen this thing played and played
and played, I don't know if you have
it or not.
Yeah, I have a minute 15.
Well, let's discuss right now.
And once you play it, then we can
talk about it.
And it means so much to me and
to Governor Walz that you knocked on doors,

(01:20:55):
you called friends, you called in favors.
You said, hey, you know, I showed up
at your softball game, now I need you
to show up at the campaign office.
By the way, anybody who has been in
a bar after 2 a.m. knows this
person.
I mean, this is not even questionable at
this point.
Showed up at your softball game, now I

(01:21:16):
need you to show up at the campaign
office.
You put in the time, it was personal
for you.
And you gave all that you could to
support our campaign.
Because of your efforts, get this, we raised
an historic $1.4 billion, almost $1.5
billion.

(01:21:37):
Again, I'll say, yeah, no, the election didn't
turn out like we wanted it to.
Certainly not as we planned for it to.
But understand that the work we put into
it was about empowering people.
That's the spirit with work we did.
I just have to remind you, don't you
ever let anybody take your power from you.

(01:21:58):
You have the same power that you did
before November 5th.
And you have the same purpose that you
did.
And you have the same ability to engage
and inspire.
So don't ever let anybody or any circumstance
take your power from you.

(01:22:20):
That is the most drunk rant I've ever
seen.
Hey man, don't let them take your power.
Don't let them take your power from you,
man.
Ever.
You've got power.
So why would, Meghan McCain reposted this herself
with a note on Twitter saying, take this
down.
This is a humiliation.

(01:22:41):
She went on and on about it.
It was quite an interesting post by her
telling them to take this down, as I
guess Meghan McCain voted for.
But yeah, this is a sabotage move.
This is the leftover people that, or the
Democrats themselves, said it's because she threatened to
run for governor.
Yes.
Yes.

(01:23:01):
Yeah, I think that might've been, you know,
we can't have this going on.
We've got to take her down right away.
Hey Kamala, just say what's on your heart
into the camera here.
I believe that's what happened.
It's a sabotage move.
And she's too dumb to know.
Sabotage.
I mean, she's dumb.

(01:23:22):
She's a dummy.
Yeah.
But I have another dummy who just, I
could not believe, you know, sometimes these old
-time Hollywood celebrities, they think, oh, I'm in
Italy, so it doesn't really matter what I
say.
Oh, this is the most pathetic thing that
you're going to play Sharon Stone.

(01:23:43):
Yes.
And this is a pathetic, I mean, Sharon
Stone, there's one other one too.
Alec Baldwin, but I'm not interested in him.
No, Baldwin's no good.
But Sharon Stone's rant here is probably as
pathetic as they get.
I have some thoughts on it after you

(01:24:03):
play it, maybe.
You know, Italy has seen fascism.
Italy has seen these things.
You guys, you understand what happens.
You have seen this before.
My country is in its adolescence.
Okay, can you stop it for a second

(01:24:24):
and start backing up a little bit?
Of course.
You should know that, I'm going to give
you a Sharon Stone story.
She used to live in the Bay Area.
Well, then you happen to know her ex
-husband-slash-boyfriend.
Yeah.
Okay.
Bronstein, Phil.
Phil.
So they used their best, their restaurant of

(01:24:46):
choice for years was Florida Lee.
Where you and I have been many a
time for lunch, Florida Lee.
Yeah, it's because the chef's a friend of
mine.
It's gone now.
Is it gone now?
Is it gone?
Is it still there?
Oh, it's long gone.
He moved to Vegas.
I can't even get a hold of him.
He's the one who wrote the forward for
the...
Of course not.
He wrote the forward for TooManyEggs.com.
Oh, that's nice.
Hubert Keller, yeah.

(01:25:06):
Yeah.
And he wrote the forward like forwards are
typically written.
John, can you write the forward and I'll
sign it?
I'm not reading this book.
I'll just sign it.
I like Mimi.
She's cool.
So I talked to this couple of the
wait staff there because they would call, Sharon

(01:25:29):
So would call and demand a table at
any given spot where there were reservations, whether
the place was filled or not, and they'd
always accommodate them.
They're very accommodating.
Of course, it's Sharon So.
To superstars.
Of course.
The guy says to me, he says, the
problem was...
This is a good story time, Uncle John.
I don't think...
And I'm reminded of that story.

(01:25:51):
It could be bull crap.
This is just a story I was told.
Maybe she was sober as a judge all
the time.
I don't see no evidence of it, but
I get the sense that she was in
the same bag that Kamala was in when
she gave this little talk here in Italy.
And Italy is a place where they got
good wine.
Yeah.
What happens?
You have seen this before.

(01:26:12):
My country is in its adolescence.
Adolescence is very arrogant.
Adolescence thinks it knows everything.
Adolescence is naive and ignorant and arrogant.
And we are in our ignorant, arrogant adolescence.

(01:26:33):
We haven't seen this before in our country.
So Americans who don't travel, who 80%
don't have a passport...
We're stupid!
...who are uneducated...
We're uneducated!
...are in their extraordinary naivete.
Naivete.
We're naivete.
What I can say is that the only

(01:26:54):
way that we can help with these issues
is to help each other.
Now, we can't just say that women should
help women...
No, no.
...because that's the only way we have survived
so far.
We must say that good men must help

(01:27:14):
good men.
And those good men must be very aware
that a lot of your friends are not
good men.
Hold on a second.
Let me get this right.
So, John, you and I have to help
each other, but we have to be aware
that one of us may not be a
good man.
Yeah.
I'm worried.

(01:27:35):
And you can't continue to pretend...
Isn't this kind of like a unburdened-by
-what-has-been speech here?
It's really bad.
There's more.
...are good men when they are not good
men.
Uh-huh.
Few good men.
And you must be very clear-minded and

(01:27:56):
understand that your friends who are not good
men are dangerous, violent men.
Oh.
And you have to keep them away from
your daughters, your wives, and your girlfriends, because
this is a time when we can no
longer look away when bad men are bad.

(01:28:21):
Boy, this is like some sort of a
virus, this word salad thing.
I want to like her so much.
Yeah, I want to like the old Cher.
Well, a lot of people defended her because
I think they've always liked her early acting.
Sure, sure.
She was a very good-looking lady.
Yeah, great stuff.

(01:28:42):
My producer on the old Software Hard Talk
used to go to high school with her...
Yeah.
...and said that she was well-known, and
it was in Pennsylvania.
Yes, she's from Pennsylvania.
She's a well-known roundheels in the high
school.
Roundheels?
Yeah, you can figure that out yourself.

(01:29:04):
That's as far as I'll go with it,
but Sharon Stone is quite the personality.
Oh, oh, I just looked it up.
Okay, it's offensive slang, by the way.
Offensive slang is what you use there.
Uh-huh.
The, I will say it, the phrase alludes
to the heels of a woman's shoes becoming
rounded to her frequently falling backward.

(01:29:28):
Wow.
This is very old English.
And that's the term that she used when
she described it.
Speaking of great words...
Next, the word of the year.
According to dictionary.com, it's demure.
It's defined as characterized by shyness...
...and modesty or reserves.
Demure went viral over the summer when TikTok

(01:29:49):
creator Jules LeBron used the phrase very demure,
very mindful in her videos.
Oh, yes, boy, thanks, mainstream media.
Thank you.
Demure, very demure, very mindful.
Beautiful.
It's beautiful.
All right.
Do something on this.
Since we talked about Joe, you brought in,

(01:30:10):
you said to one of our producers, I
have the best clips of Joe Rogan with
Marc Andreessen.
Can I tell my Marc Andreessen story?
I have one, too, but go ahead.
No, you start first.
Well, my story's not as interesting as yours
is gonna be because you got your stories
after he became, I think, a VC, probably.

(01:30:30):
No, no, my story is before he became
a VC.
Oh, well, my story is before he became
a VC, too.
Here's what happened.
So I had condemned one of the...
Oh, I had to think of his name.
One of the...
Partners?
Jim Barksdale.
It was Jim Barksdale.

(01:30:51):
Boom.
I had condemned him because I had offered
him a ride at some event, and the
way he shrugged me off was extremely insulting.
And so I kind of wrote it up
in one of my columns, that, you know,
it's what you do.
Jim Barksdale, very wealthy man, had this very
famous yacht.

(01:31:12):
Yeah, and he's a southerner, southern drawl, he
said.
Yeah.
Gentleman.
Yeah.
And so I wrote this thing up about
Barksdale being an asshole.
As one does in the turn-the-other
-cheek world of John C.
Dvorak.
It was, you know, it was done in
a way that was okay.
It wasn't like I was, you know, I

(01:31:34):
was just pointing out what happened.
And so they...
Oh, it was a big fuss.
And so they had to have a...
Wait a minute, what magazine was this for?
PC Magazine, the big boy.
Oh, boy.
You have meddled with the primal forces of
nature, Mr. Dvorak.
And so I had to have a sit
-down with Barksdale, and Andreessen showed up to

(01:31:55):
it, and it was a sit-down at
Florida Lee, of all places, once again.
It's like a Nexus for a lot of
this stuff.
That's great, that's great, that's great.
So we had a dinner there, and we
talked, and it was, you know, it was
like it was a misunderstanding, and all the
rest of it.
It was a good dinner.
I thought you were trying to run me
over.
I didn't understand you were trying to give
me a ride.
It was just, it was...

(01:32:17):
But Andreessen was there, and Andreessen, when he
had hair, he actually had hair.
I don't know if you met him when
he had hair.
But he had hair.
He didn't look like an egg.
Elon had hair at one point, too, but
not for long.
Elon's got hair.
He has a bristle rug.
Are you kidding me?
That's plugs.
Well, at least he's got hair.

(01:32:38):
What's hair, though?
It's hair.
Andreessen's bald now.
Yes, yeah.
So when he had hair, and it was
like...
Andreessen was very reticent.
He was a shy guy, and when he
became a loudmouth venture capitalist, I just said,
wow, I didn't know he had it in
him.
And, you know, and he's like...

(01:32:58):
Yeah, there's a lot of stories about Andreessen.
I've got others, but...
So that's when I first met him, and
that was when he was still at Netscape,
so...
We'll play the clips, and then I will
tell...
Before the IPO, I believe.
We'll play the clips, and then I will
tell everybody my Marc Andreessen story.
So what are we listening to here?
This is on Rogan.

(01:33:20):
We don't play that many Rogan clips, but
this is a good one.
This is news to me, and it was
news to Rogan, and it was news to
everybody.
You didn't know about this?
About the debanking of 30 venture capital...
Chokehold 2.0?
Defunded companies?
Yes, yeah, I knew about this.
I did not know about this.
Hmm, all right, here we go.
And then my favorite twist is we have
this thing called independent federal agencies.

(01:33:42):
So, for example, we have this thing called
the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, CFPB, which is
sort of Elizabeth Warren's...
Oh, by the way, stop the clip for
a second.
When I met Marc Andreessen at the Florida...
He wasn't a fast talker either.
I know, I know.
What is this fast talking thing?
Silicon Valley venture capital nonsense.
It's milieu, milieu.

(01:34:05):
It's milieu.
Of course.
That she gets to control.
And I got to do a lot of
this.
Yeah, he's sniffing a lot.
We should do this a lot.
I actually had to cut a couple of
them out of the clip.
Oh, that's too bad.
Independent agency that just gets to run and
do whatever it wants, right?

(01:34:25):
And if you read the Constitution, like there
is no such thing as independent...
I'm just thinking, fast talking, does that remind
you of anything?
An agency.
And yet there it is.
He never...
Okay, I know what you're hinting at, but
he doesn't have the other affectations.
He doesn't tap his nose.
No, he doesn't have any of that.

(01:34:46):
No, I don't believe that.
I think it's just maybe too much coffee.
Black rifle.
Agency do whatever she wants.
What does it do though?
Basically, terrorize financial institutions, prevent decrypt Fintech, prevent
new competition, new startups.
Whoa, that was a good one, Marc.
Terrorize financial institutions, prevent decrypt Fintech, prevent new

(01:35:08):
competition, new startups that want to compete with
the big banks.
How so?
Just terrorizing anybody who tries to do anything
new in financial services.
Can you give me an example?
You know, debanking.
This is where a lot of the debanking
comes from is these agencies.
So debanking is when you as either a
person or your company are literally kicked out
of the banking system.
Like they did to Kanye.
Exactly, like they did to Kanye.

(01:35:29):
My partner Ben's father has been debanked.
Really?
We had an employee...
For what?
For having the wrong politics, for saying unacceptable
things.
Under current banking regulations...
Okay, here's a great thing.
Under current banking regulations, after all the reforms
in the last 20 years, there's now a
category called a politically exposed person, PEP.
And if you are a PEP, you are
required by financial regulators to kick them out

(01:35:50):
of your bank.
What?
But what if you're politically on the left?
That's fine.
No, really?
Because they're not politically exposed.
So no one on the left gets debanked?
I have not heard of a single instance
of anybody on the left getting debanked.
Can you tell me what the person that
you know did?
What they said that got them debanked?
Oh, well, I mean, David Horowitz is a
right wing.
You know, he's pro-Trump.
I mean, he's said all kinds of things.

(01:36:11):
You know, he's been very anti-Islamic terrorism.
He's been very worried about immigration, all these
things.
And they debanked him for that?
Yeah, they debanked him.
So you get kicked out of your bank
account.
You get kicked out of the...
You can't do credit card transactions.
By the way, you can't run...
How is that legal?
Well, exactly.
So this is the thing.
And then you go to this thing of
like, well, there's no...
This is where the government and the companies
get intertwined.
Back to your fascism point, which is there's

(01:36:33):
no...
There's a constitutional amendment that says the government
can't restrict your speech, but there's no constitutional
amendment that says the government can't debank you.
So this was called...
I don't know what you're saying.
You want to play the second clip when
we talk about it or what?
Well, you had something to say?
Well, so choke point, two point...
Choke point 2.0. Yeah, he talks about
that in the second clip.
Okay.
Then they don't have to debank you.
They just have to put pressure on the

(01:36:55):
private company banks to do it.
And then the private company banks do it
because they're expected to.
But the government gets to say, we didn't
do it.
It was the private company that did it.
And of course, JPMorgan can decide who they
want to have as customers.
Of course, right?
It's their private company.
And so it's this sleight of hand that
happens.
So it's basically, it's a privatized sanctions regime
that lets bureaucrats do to American citizens the

(01:37:17):
same thing that we do to Iran.
Whoa.
Just kick you out of the financial system.
This has been happening to all the crypto
entrepreneurs in the last four years.
This has been happening to a lot of
the fintech entrepreneurs, anybody trying to start any
kind of new banking service because they're trying
to protect the big banks.
And then this has been happening, by the
way, also in legal fields of economic activity
that they don't like.
And so a lot of this started about

(01:37:37):
15 years ago with this thing called Operation
Truck Point, where they decided to, as marijuana
started to become legal, as prostitution started to
become legal, and then guns, which there's always
a fight about.
Under the Obama administration, they started to debank
legal marijuana businesses, escort businesses, and then gun
shops, just like your gun manufacturers.

(01:37:58):
And just like you're done, you're out of
the banking system.
And so if you're running a medical marijuana
dispensary in 2012, guess what?
You're doing your business all in cash because
you literally can't get a bank account.
You can't get a visa terminal.
You can't process transactions.
You can't do payroll.
You can't do direct deposit.
You can't get insurance.
None of that stuff, you've been sanctioned.
None of that stuff is available.
And then this administration extended that concept to

(01:38:19):
apply it to tech founders, crypto founders, and
then just generally political opponents.
Yeah, so that's been super pernicious.
I wasn't aware of that.
Oh, 100%.
So it was Operation Chokepoint 1.0 was
15 years ago against the pot and the
guns.
Chokepoint 2.0 is primarily against their political
enemies and then to their disfavored tech startups.

(01:38:41):
And it's hit the tech world hard.
We've had like 30 founders debanked in the
last four years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's been a big recurring pattern.
So Chokepoint 1.0, actually there was a
document called Operation Chokepoint, and I think we
probably even talked about that years ago.
That was mainly the pot shops.

(01:39:01):
I wonder if I have Chokepoint.
Let me see.
Yes.
Oh, it looks like clips that you had.
Let me see.
What purpose did you hold for Missouri Rise?
Oh, yeah.
So there was a whole hearing in Congress
about it.
I don't think there was ever a document
called 2.0, but he's a little disingenuous.
I'd never heard of the Peps.
So that's something I wasn't familiar with.

(01:39:24):
I don't think there was ever a document
called Chokepoint 2.0, but in the Bitcoin,
and as he says, crypto circles, this is
really something that's been discussed around, particularly the
SEC and Gary Gensler because there was such.
And so, yeah, Elizabeth Warren was in there
as well.
So against crypto, which of course, except for

(01:39:47):
Bitcoin, everything else is what they call a
shit coin.
It's just it really is no good.
In my opinion, these companies and subsequently the
people who are running the companies were being
debanked because of the danger to the system.
And I think there was definitely pressure from
the SEC and from Gary Gensler in particular.

(01:40:10):
And that's why you saw the Bitcoin conference,
all this, I would just say pressure on
Trump to say two things.
One, he will pardon Ross, Silk Road Ross.
And two, fire Gary Gensler.
And that's because of this.

(01:40:30):
But to me, it's more about the, we
don't want your fake money to come into
our system than about the political stuff.
Andreessen's making it very political here.
I'm not sure that's, and some of it
may be true, but I don't think it's
entirely true.
I can see that.
Now my, well, for him, there's a lot

(01:40:52):
of reasons why Silicon Valley, people like Andreessen
Horowitz, why they want Trump because he, you
know, they put a lot of money into
his campaign and he was, he said, okay,
I'm going to make sure that you're good
with your Bitcoin.
And here's the key, your stable coins, your
stable coins.
Because that's going to be the, I believe

(01:41:13):
that's going to be the Trump money printing
system without actually printing money.
Because the biggest stable coin is Tether.
It's backed by U.S. treasuries, in fact,
and Bitcoin, but Tether buys, the biggest buyer
of U.S. treasuries right now to back
their stable coin.

(01:41:34):
So you get this company to buy the
treasuries.
That's your lending.
So you already are creating money by doing
that.
And then you get to bake on top
of it an equal amount of stable coin.
I have a feeling Trump sees this and
somehow that's how he's going to print money
without printing money.
We'll see.
Now my Marc Andreessen story.

(01:41:54):
We go back to 1993.
So this is before your Fleur de Lis
meeting, way before your Fleur de Lis meeting.
And I have set up MTV.com with
a Gopher server.
Do we remember the Gopher server?
Oh yeah, of course.
Not everybody does.
But Gopher, I remember seeing my, so this

(01:42:16):
is before the World Wide Web.
Go for this and go for that.
Well, there's two parts to this story.
So I set up- So you met
Andreessen when he was still at the university?
Let me get to the story.
Okay.
So I set up a Gopher server, which
is what blew me away about the internet,
is you could have this document, a page
of text, and you could say, all right,
link here to go to this other server

(01:42:39):
and get their page of text.
And then you could have document pages on
that server and it was all connected and
this was basically the web.
And so the first part of the story
is I set up this Gopher server, which
is made by the University of Minnesota.
Their CIS department had created this.
And I was on MTV going, hey, go
to MTV.com.

(01:42:59):
I've got a Gopher server.
And then they called me up and they
said, you're going to have to pay us
a $5,000 license for using the Gopher
server.
Like, what are you talking about?
It's open source.
Yeah, but it's, you know, we own the,
we own this and you're using it commercially.
I'm like, MTV is not using, it's me.
I'm just a dude.
I don't have $5,000.

(01:43:21):
And we struck a deal.
And the deal was they would forgo the
license as long as they wore a University
of Minnesota Gopher t-shirt on MTV.
And you can still find that on YouTube.
So around this time, I get an email,
Adam at MTV.com, I get an email
from this guy, Mark Andreessen, who's at the

(01:43:41):
University of Champaign-Urbana, Illinois.
He says, hey man, hey man, I love
what you're doing with this MTV.com.
Try out this software I've made.
It's called HCTPD and it's version 0.9.
You can install it.
And then I have this thing called Mosaic

(01:44:02):
and you can do multimedia.
And so I set it up.
And then that was the last I ever
heard from him.
But that was my encounter with Mark Andreessen
is he asked me to...
MTV.com was one of the early websites
on the World Wide Web because Andreessen asked
me to set it up.

(01:44:23):
Did that disappoint you?
Well, that story tops mine, I think.
A little bit.
Because my story really didn't have too much
to do with him.
And I will say that that's a really
great story.
Oh, well, thank you.
Rarely do you think my stories are that
good.
Well, I say because it's a historic moment.
Yes, it is.

(01:44:43):
And what makes it even greater is the
irony of the entire...
the way it came...
the way the whole thing fell apart.
Because you were like, obviously at the time,
it's some sort of a savant visionary who
put this thing up.
And MTV was so clueless with the boneheads
that were running it that they not only...
they basically fired you.

(01:45:05):
It's a story for another time, kids.
Yes.
But in the meantime, I want to thank
you for your courage and say in the
morning to you, the man who put the
sea in process, he say hello to my
friend on the other end, the one, the
only, Mr. John C.
Dvorak!
In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
In the morning to all the ships, the
seaboots in the ground, feeding the air, subs

(01:45:26):
in the water, and all the dames and
knights out there.
In the morning to all you turkey trolls
out there.
Don't move.
Let me see what you've got.
Yeah, it was kind to be expected.
It's Thanksgiving.
1,512 trolls at the peak.
Kind of to be expected.
It was 300 low.
It's still pretty good for considering people are

(01:45:48):
arguing with their in-laws right now.
I mean, some of them...
Some of them are just sitting in the
corner with their headphones on, you know, rocking
back and forth like Bill Gates, like, don't
talk to me.
What are you doing?
I'm listening to something important.
Yes.
Those trolls are very...
You should be listening to the show.
Those trolls are very important.
They are listening to the show.
And they're listening live at trollroom.io or

(01:46:09):
perhaps using a modern podcast app, which is
free of ALGOS.
ALGOS, L-A-L-G-O-S, Greek
for pain and suffering.
Look it up.
The modern podcast app, which you can find
at podcastapps.com, will in fact alert you
when we go live, even if you're out
and about and like, oh, that's right, the
show.
They got a show.
You already saw the newsletter.

(01:46:30):
Like, you kind of remembered, but oh, that's
right, the show's starting.
And then when we publish the show, it
notifies you within 90 seconds.
We've got all kinds of cool things.
Transcripts, you can search those.
Oh, you know, this is an anti-AI
story.
So bingit.io, which forwards to the Clip
Genie website that Sir Deenonymous put together bingit

(01:46:54):
.io, which is fantastic.
It's a search engine.
You search the transcripts, you search the clips,
you search articles.
I mean, everything that we've created up to
a certain point because we lost a lot
in a previous system we were using.
Drop.io, if you remember that.
Yep.
And they got Aqua hired, and then all

(01:47:15):
of a sudden, everything was gone.
We lost all of our show notes for
a couple of years.
So I get this email from one of
our producers, and he says, bingit.io, emergency.
You've got to look at this.
This is very important.
He sends me a screenshot.
He says, I just tried the new Grok
website analyzation on bingit.io. Bro, it expired

(01:47:38):
two days ago.
And I'm looking at this, so I'm looking
at this screenshot of Grok, which is the
ex-AI, and it says, to analyze the
website bingit.io, here's what can be gathered
from available data.
And then it says, domain registration, domain bingit

(01:48:00):
.io is registered November 25th, 2017, with an
expiration date set for November 25th, 2024.
And it has all this who is information.
And I'm like, this doesn't make any sense.
You know, first of all, it's working, so
it hasn't been turned off.

(01:48:21):
So I go in, it doesn't expire until
November 25th, 2025, and it's set to auto
renewal.
And I said, this is insane that people
believe these, that they trust these systems.
Yeah.
It's crap.
It's 100% crap.
Well, like I'm reminded that when I was

(01:48:43):
looking for that blonde woman that was sitting
next to the podium and all these systems
failed, including the one you did, Chet GPT,
by identifying her, we had three people that
wrote in and identified her.
That's NAI.
No agenda intelligence.
Right, no agenda intelligence.
And if I pushed it harder, I probably

(01:49:04):
would've gotten 10 people to help me out.
But three people, which is out of the
blue, just always so-and-so, I can't
remember her name.
She's the head of the, she's the one
who organized the whole event.
And you'd think these AI systems could figure
out who that was, but no.
It's no good.
It's good for very superficial stuff.

(01:49:26):
Yeah.
Well, example.
So Horowitz, who is very pro-AI, and
I'm very anti-AI.
I mean, I'm not against it.
It's just I have poor experiences, and I
don't think it's good for very much.
It's good for a few things.
So he sends me a summary of DH
Unplugged.

(01:49:46):
And he's run it through Chet GPT or
something, and it's this incredibly long, tedious document
that completely describes your episode.
And he's like, it's basically like, look at
how good this stuff is.
He likes it, yeah.
I'm like, well, I didn't read it.
I'm not going to read this.
It's tedious.
Just tell me what you talked about.

(01:50:06):
It's a very long, so I appreciate his
his trust in it all.
You know what's interesting, not to mention, I
was just thinking about this.
These systems that do the writing, they are
verbose.
Oh, flowery.

(01:50:26):
And what you really want is abstract.
You want things like, you want it boiled
down.
You want a reader's digest version, not a
war and peace version of what you're thinking.
You don't want something that goes on for
days and days.
You want something that's really tight.
That it cannot do.

(01:50:48):
No.
And why not?
That's what you want.
You want tight.
You don't want verbose.
You know, it's interesting.
We didn't play this clip.
Let me continue with this complaining.
When you have that phony baloney podcast that
they do, I've pointed this out, you know,
with the two people, they're already going to

(01:51:08):
do a deep dive.
They stretch stuff too.
It's a stretch.
They take a simple idea.
I proved this with a couple of things
we posted.
One, we used to play on the show.
But instead of keeping it tight and short
and sweet, they will go on and start
bringing other stuff into the conversation.
It's not necessary.

(01:51:29):
It's just, it's interesting that they can't do
that right.
So I put that whole thing into chat
GPT that he sent me.
And I said, summarize the content of this
in 400 words or less.
Well, it did exactly 400 words.
The podcast episode features John and Andrew engaging
in a dynamic, wide ranging discussion on topics

(01:51:49):
spanning personal plans, financial markets, current events, and
social trends.
But there's already a waste of time.
Yes, you're wasting my time.
The conversation begins with lighthearted Thanksgiving plans, including
John.
Again, this is who cares.
Yes, including John's experiment with smoking a turkey
in an electric smoker and updates on their

(01:52:10):
new t-shirt designs delayed by issues with
an artist.
Unimportant.
I know.
This discussion transitions into current events, highlighting the
resignation rumors surrounding Janet Yellen.
It's like, this is not a good summary
of this podcast.
It's not.
Anyway, I guess people like flowery language.

(01:52:35):
I do have, just because we're on it
and then I don't have to do it
after the, after we thank some people.
There's the, this is, did we do this,
the podcast about from nobody special finance, about
the AI job bots.
Did we do that already?
I don't know.
There's a new generation of AI job app,

(01:52:56):
applier apps.
So you go to a site, you upload
your resume, you give it some keywords and
then.
Yeah, I think so.
We already did that.
Okay.
Well, I remember it and maybe it doesn't
matter.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Well, I have, you're going to start doing
a showdown on the AI stuff.
I do have my AI clip, but I
mean, AI news is AI news, not an

(01:53:17):
AI clip.
Oh, hold on a second.
Hold on.
Amazon says it's investing another $4 billion in
the artificial intelligence startup and traffic amid the
ongoing battle to lead the AI future in
the Silicon Valley.
The additional money brings Amazon's total investment to
$8 billion.
Anthropic is the company behind Claude, a chat

(01:53:38):
bot like open AI.
The money pouring into AI ventures is fueling
a search for the next chat GPT.
Okay.
$8 billion.
So far.
And what do they got to show for
it?
It's a drop in the bucket.
It's a drop in the bucket.
It's nothing.
All right.
Thank you, trolls for being here.
They are an AI, no agenda intelligence.

(01:54:02):
Sometimes it works.
They're never wordy though.
They're always very short and to the point
are NAI.
They just go, boom, here's what I think
of you.
Sucks.
That sucks.
Rap sucks.
Thanksgiving sucks.
Yeah.
They're very, very short with all that stuff.
We have many ways that people can help

(01:54:24):
us or N AI.
We have to say, right.
The N AI is one way.
We appreciate all of our trolls who participate
in that.
The other way is, well, you could do
lots of things.
We like time, talent and treasure.
As you've heard, clicks, listens, views, makes no
difference to us.
Never has.
We only care about, can we pay the

(01:54:45):
bills?
That's that has always been our mantra.
And as long as that's happening, we're happy.
And we'll continue in the last four years
of the show doing that.
See, I've switched now from four more years
to the last four years.
I'm preparing everybody for soft landing, soft landing,
time, talent and treasure.
You can do a number of things and

(01:55:05):
including hitting people in the mouth, letting them
know about the show.
Lots of like void zero, but many people.
Uh, and who were very thankful for, by
the way, and all we did, we did
have a note from one of our, uh,
artists or would be artists or an artist.
Do you have it?
Did you get this note too?
Does it really enjoy the discussion of the

(01:55:25):
art?
I have the note.
Oh, I would like you to read it.
Listening to no agenda, 1715.
You said someone complained about the art segment.
What a Philistine.
I vote.
Yes.
For the art segment.
It's almost worth the whole show.
I was following along in the art generator.
It wasn't ill.
I was an illustrator for many years, a
cartoonist, a professional in graphic arts, fine arts

(01:55:46):
major.
And I can say authoritatively that your cover
art community is really something.
It's hard to believe that you have such
an embarrassment of riches to choose from two
times a week.
I hope you appreciate it because it's astonishing
and you get it all without any cash
changing hands.
Keep up the good art segment says a
non Mark.

(01:56:07):
Well, no, it's, it's a, it's part of
our value for value model.
So, um, cash is good, but we like
time and talent as well.
So we're going to take a look at
the artwork.
First.
Thank the artist who brought us the artwork
for episode seven 15, which was scruples.
Um, yes, of course it was a Darren
O'Neill who did Darren O'Neill has

(01:56:29):
some amazing prompt skills.
I mean, we just have to recognize how
good it is.
And yet he comes so close to a
perfect 10 and somehow gets the wrong ear
for the bandaid on Trump's head.
It's astonishing.
It's astonishing.
And this is, he's done this before.
Hasn't he got the ear on the wrong

(01:56:51):
side?
Yeah.
Or I know we've rejected art before because,
but this was just so good because this
was the new TDS.
Um, the can was great.
It had this whole additional no agenda soda
company logo, which was gorgeous.
That really was good by itself would have
been just good.
And then he says so good.
It's insane.
I mean, it really, we had a lot

(01:57:13):
to choose from.
A lot of artists, um, went for this.
Um, and now I'm going through all the
turkeys to just scroll down to see what
else we were looking at for that episode.
Um, let's see.
Fred pound had kind of a classic.
Uh, it also had TDS classic, you know,
um, we liked the one that had both,

(01:57:35):
which was also Darren.
We had the classic T instead of saying
TDS classic, he had classic TDS and the
new TDS, two cans next to each other.
And with Trump, one without the bandaid and
one with, I just don't see why he
didn't put it on the correct ear.
It was very, that was true.
It's not him.

(01:57:56):
Oh, it's the AI.
Yeah.
How dumb is the AI?
Um, clip custodian had an, we thought it
was nice.
He had the, the TDS soda, but again,
the classic should have been under the TDS
and not above it.
Um, was there anything else?
Wow.
I'm scrolling off the page here.
That was more, um, max buffer.

(01:58:19):
Okay.
There was a number of decent pieces that
we could have chosen other things, except for
the fact that the Darren O'Neill piece
was so outstanding.
Yeah, it really was.
And I think it was also the no
agenda soda company that really that really, and
again, concept, it was concept execution happened to
be good, except for that one flaw concept

(01:58:41):
was just good.
Uh, and the other thing is the originality
of the can, as opposed to looking like
a Coca-Cola can with the Coca-Cola
colors.
I think, yeah, that was important.
I don't know if it was important, but
it did work.
Yeah.
Because Nessworks did a TDS and Ness, I
don't think that was AI.
It was a mess.

(01:59:03):
And it was just, you see the curry,
it just had just too much going on.
He had too much, too much happening in
it.
Uh, but this looked like a very classic
energy drink.
Like it was a new energy drink.
He just couldn't get past it.
It was that good.
And if you're good, you're good.
I mean, Darren has figured that out.

(01:59:24):
He's going to be producing tons of stuff
for today's show, and then he won't get
anything picked.
Again, it's, it's more of the conceit.
by the way, Turkey, Thanksgiving theme.
This is going to be, it's got to
be a Thanksgiving theme.
We're not going to pick it.
I can tell you right now in advance.
We are traditionalists that way.
We are just traditionalists.
So thank you, Darren.

(01:59:44):
And of course, thank you to all of
the artists, whether you do it original.
I can see the farmer's wife.
The farmer's wife has already put one of
her kids pieces up.
It's, it's definitely in the running.
Do you see it?
Up at the top?
Up at the top.
Yeah, that's pretty good.

(02:00:06):
She has, she puts her kids to work
like kids.
We're not doing AI here.
She's homeschooling him.
Like you draw a Turkey for these turkeys.
I love it.
I love the kerning on no agenda.
It's a whole thing.
It's awesome.
It's awesome.
It's fabulous.

(02:00:26):
Thank you all very much.
No agenda.
Art generator.com.
Follow along.
And in the modern podcast app, we have
chapters.
Dreb Scott.
Thank you, brother for doing that so diligently
for us.
And he takes these images, uses many, if
not all of them often to put those
into the chapter.
So everybody gets a shake at the stick.
Now let us thank the executive and associate
executive producer for episode 700, 1,716.

(02:00:50):
We appreciate anybody.
Who sends us any amount, particularly those sustaining
donations, which are any amount, any frequency you
set it up yourself at no agenda donations
.com.
We will thank everybody with the amount above
$50.
And we like to always stop and give
a special thanks to our executive and associate
executive producers.
Here's how it works.
Associate executive producer, which is a real title.

(02:01:12):
It's a show business credit.
You can use it anywhere they are accepted,
including imdb.com.
We will read your note and you get
that, that credit and that, that title as
associate executive producer, $300 and above you become
an executive producer.
And we also read your notes.
So I'll kick it off with sir.
Dan, the man who comes in from Cape
Coral, Florida with 1473 62.

(02:01:37):
I don't know the significance of the number
other than it must be with PayPal fees.
I'm guessing, or maybe not.
We don't know.
He does not allude to it in the
note.
He says, you'd have to go look.
He says, good evening.
Good evening, Adam and John and Adam.
Good evening.
Good evening to you, sir.
I'm buying.
Oh, I'm buying my doctorate and completing my

(02:01:57):
earldom.
There you go.
Please dub me, sir.
Dan, the man Earl of Southwest Florida, happy
Thanksgiving to you and your families.
It's been a pleasure listening to you, especially
over the last few months with the run
-up and post election commentary.
P.S. John, your vasectomy opinion is just
BS.
Every time you mention it, it's just cringe
worthy.

(02:02:18):
I guess he's a victim.
Love.
You mean it.
Thanks to the best, to the best podcast
in the universe and no agenda nation from
sir, Dan, the man.
Thank you.
I haven't mentioned it for, I don't know,
six months.
I think he's, I think he's hurt by
it, but I, but now that you brought
it back up, there has been a few

(02:02:39):
politicians and others that have shown come forth.
That you look at him, you go there.
Yep.
There you go.
Yep.
Would you want to mention any so we
can.
I have to think of that.
I can't remember his last name.
I think it's Goldman, Dan Goldman or something
is, is a, he's one of the congressmen
from New York and he's, you look at

(02:03:00):
him and it's like, okay, there's one.
And I'm trying to think of some other
ones that have been popping up.
I just haven't been thinking about it.
I'm pretty sure Schumer.
You could be wrong about him.
Yeah.
Okay.
Louie Kellogg is up a Lewis Kellogg from
parts unknown, $1,030 and 26 cents.

(02:03:21):
Oh, and by the way, for people don't
know what I'm talking about, but the vasectomy,
the vasectomies were used, were invented for two
purposes.
First, they were invented as a workaround for
a castration of criminals who were sex offenders,
which is part of the original invention.
And then it turned out that they had

(02:03:42):
a, they would develop a certain look.
And so it was used as a, a
methodology to keep people.
It was considered a youth cure.
You could, you'd get a vasectomy and you'd
look younger over time.
It would change your appearance just enough to
make you look like you're not as old
as you were, but that parents always, to
me, turns you into looking like an old

(02:04:04):
lesbian.
So that was my thesis.
Yes.
And you're sticking to it.
And we would point out people over the
years that had this look as a certain
look you get.
And we'd call them vasectomy victims.
And I guess, I guess Sir Dan, the
man is likely suffering from this.

(02:04:27):
I'm guessing I, maybe not.
Maybe you could be wrong.
You could be wrong.
I could be totally wrong about this.
And he's just doesn't like talking about it.
But some reason I will say the Earl
of Southwest Florida looks pretty young and healthy
to me.
So Louie Kellogg came in with 10 30
26.
And he'd say, I'd like to be known
as Lord Lubro.

(02:04:49):
Please de-douche me.
You've been de-douched.
So I guess it's going to be nighted
today.
This is my first contribution, contribution to the
show.
Uh, we, uh, it's a show course.
We need mead, mead at the table.
Anyway, we need, it says mead and I,

(02:05:10):
and, and I don't know what that means.
He needs meat at the table.
He just wants me.
You got it.
You got it.
Well, thank you, Lewis.
First time contributing straight to knighthood.
Beautiful.
Dame lady, get over it.
1,030 and 26.
So that is, uh, she has collecting all
the credential I can before my exit strategy.
Does that mean she is getting a, uh,

(02:05:33):
a doctor of education?
I would guess so.
Um, I might have used up the last
jobs.
Karma.
You gave me on a small win at
work.
May I please have a Trump jobs, karma
for the super secret squirrel 4d chess.
I still have in the works.
Why?
Yes, of course.
P.S. PhDs were offered when I was
on unpaid maternity leave.

(02:05:54):
If that was offered again, I would enroll.
Love is lit.
Says Dame lady, get over it.
Jobs, jobs, job.
You've got karma.
And you've got this one too.
I do.
Okay.
Yeah.
Captain chem trail.
Uh, okay.

(02:06:15):
So I have some jingles already that he
needs me to put up here.
So make sure I get these.
Um, I've been an avid list.
This is six 2164.
I've been an avid listener of no agenda
since show 1348 in may 2021.
My brother turned me onto no agenda show.
Well, I was searching for a replacement for
the rush limbaugh show.
Thank you.
Well, that's quite honorable.

(02:06:37):
Thank you for providing Gitmo nation and me
relief from the bias babble of the M
five M your show provides me laughter, sanity,
and relief from the relentless M five M
propaganda.
However, I have been a freeloader.
I have benefited from the show, but did
not support it.
This ends now, please.
D douche.
You've been D douche.

(02:06:58):
I am a captain with a very large
us airline based in a large metropolitan area
along the east coast.
Fellow citizens of Gitmo will know they're flying
with me when they hear my subtle yet
obvious ITMs. Thank you for your courages, FEMA
region notifications and 30 threes during my announcements,
please stop by the cockpit and say, hi,

(02:07:21):
I love that.
Yes.
Start by the cockpit.
And yeah, because these captains usually stand in
there as you're leaving.
You say ITM.
Yeah, exactly.
And then maybe you get like a special
tour of the cockpit or something.
You never know.
You might, you might hook a brother up.
I request massive amounts of no agenda, health
karma for my beautiful wife.
She has been suffering from stage four kidney
cancer for the last two years.

(02:07:41):
She lost a kidney and the cancer has
been kicking her, but the treatments have slowed,
but not stopped the spread.
Please send her cosmic healing karma.
She needs it.
Well, of course I will pray for her.
And he requests chemtrails, rubble, lies, or F
cancer.
Here's the four more years of awesome M
five M deconstruction.
And to keeping us sane, captain chemtrail, chemtrail

(02:08:03):
of CVG, AKA Hannibal of Hebron.
Sir, sir.

(02:08:30):
Tyler in Alaska, Alaska, Alaska.
Yes.
AK Alaska.
Uh, keep up the great work and supporting
your media deconstruction at three, three, three is
all Tyler systems.com.
Tyler systems.com can afford right now, but
we're working on it with the abundance of

(02:08:50):
opportunity and AI.
Is it possible to build a software company
with the value for value model?
I don't know.
I don't know.
And he says, I don't know, but I'll
keep you and fellow producers posted.
So he's going to try to do it.
It's called shareware.
Don't you?
Yeah.
Shareware.

(02:09:10):
Shareware.
I've heard of that.
Yeah.
Shareware.
You know, it used to originally be called
freeware.
No, but then it became shareware.
My software is shareware.
Now it's a, no, I, I think you
can make a lot of money with shareware.
If you've got something that that's good, everybody
gets, I mean, if you, it's again, a
percentage of the total, but you can get
a lot of money if you have a

(02:09:31):
super popular product.
I support a software that asks for donations
all the time.
I turned down my opportunity for Y Combinator
this spring to chase exciting things going on
in Alaska.
Better to invest in one's community and build
what you want and want to live in

(02:09:51):
rather than be whisked away to their groupthink
reeducation sorting center in Sunnyvale.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Or, I'm sorry, incubator.
There you go.
I still, oh, can an email, but it's
coming.
Thank you for getting more nation.
Tyler systems.com outsourcing problems and insourcing solutions.

(02:10:14):
Best sir.
Tyler in Alaska.
Go check it out.
Whatever that is.
Tyler system.
T Y L E R systems.
Aaron, Aaron, boy or quest boy or cares?
How would you pronounce that?
Bojo cares.
B O J O R Q U E
Z Boyer cares.
I think it's a size B boy.

(02:10:34):
I think it's Boyer kids.
Boyer kids.
He's in mission.
I'm guessing.
I mean, I don't have to be wrong.
He's in Mission Viejo, California.
No note for three hundred and thirty three
donations.
So instead, he gets a double up karma.
You've got karma.
Jeff Botten in Greensboro, North Carolina, three, three,
three dot three, three.

(02:10:54):
Thank you for your courage, John and Adam.
Happy Thanksgiving from Jovial Jeff in Greensboro, North
Carolina.
On my way to knighthood.
Kindly accept my second executive producer donation for
1716.
My at a glance kitchen calendar informs me
that this is more than just a Thanksgiving
day episode.
This is also magic number day episode.
No, this episode airs on November 28th, 2024,

(02:11:17):
the 33rd, 333rd day of the year.
What?
Yeah.
What a squandered opportunity with 33 more days
to go.
Can you believe it?
Keep watch for my magical three, three, three
dot three, three donation via PayPal, a leap
year exclusive magic number day donation.

(02:11:39):
Wow.
Yeah, it doesn't happen that often.
No jingle, please.
33.
It's the magic number.
May you both never need an exit strategy.
All the best, Jeff.
33.
That's the magic number.
It's the magic number.
There you go.

(02:11:59):
I would say if people that want to
get on this good, go to the no
agenda donations.com right now and, and donate
three, three, three.
Well, there's, you could, yes.
And we'll still credit you with that magic
number donation.
Yeah, I think something like the next show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll do it for sure.
We move on to Sean Simmons in Stanford,

(02:12:21):
Virginia, three 33 dot 33.
And he says, John C.
Adam 33, Robilizer, Trump come and Dean scream.
Thanks for working the holiday.
I make triple time work in the holiday.
So you should as well.
I also owe you for working on the
4th of July.
That is included.
So he wants Robilizer, Trump come and Dean

(02:12:42):
scream.
Stand by 33, 33, 33.
Robilizer out.
I'm going to come.
Matthew Ross and Indian trail, North Carolina, three,
three, three.

(02:13:03):
Please look at the link for message clip
of the day.com slash family slash PayPal.
Blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
Adam Curry and John's John C.
Dvorak.
I don't know what.
Okay.
So did you get something from him?
Yeah.
So he has clip of the day.com
and he sent a very breathy three and

(02:13:25):
a half minute audio message talking about what
he's going to do with clip of the
day.com.
And I really appreciate it, but there's no
way we can, it was kind of all
over the place.
So we're not going to play it in
the donation segment, but anybody can go take
a look at it.
If you go to clip of the day
.com and he does have plans for clip
of the day.com, which is a great

(02:13:45):
website to have since clip of the day
is something that you can collect from the
no agenda show.
And we thank him very much for his
$333 support of the show.
As I move on to James bats, old
bats, old Davenport, Iowa, three 33.
I made this donation honor of my mom's

(02:14:06):
birthday on the 29th, November 29th.
It's also, there you go.
The 333rd day of the year.
Hence the donation.
I made a donation earlier this year and
commented that my mother, Katie bots old, listen
to the show and ends up falling asleep
by the first donation segment.
Adam proceeded to say, Katie, Katie bucks.
I'll wake up.

(02:14:27):
She loved it.
She turned 74.
Oh, happy birthday, Katie.
We are also celebrating her being cancer free.
Well, where's my, thank you for all you
do for more years.
No jingles, but F cancer for all regards,
James bots old.
Yes.
Congratulations.
That's great.
You're here, Katie.

(02:14:49):
You've got karma.
Nice Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington,
two 33 dot 33.
She becomes our first, uh, associate executive producer.
Uh, she writes a note, a handwritten note
says there, uh, Adam and John remember when
the ballot box was set afire in Vancouver,

(02:15:09):
Washington about a week before the election.
Yes.
The election office solve the situation, not with
cameras, but by hiring highly skilled temp workers
like me, Oh, to conduct 24, seven in
-person stakeouts of the 22 ballot boxes in
the County for over a week.
Nice.

(02:15:30):
Please.
D douche me with half of my stakeout
wages of two 33, 33.
You've been D douche.
She says, because the no agenda episodes kept
me half alert and entertained throughout all the
all night shifts, half alert, inflation era coffee

(02:15:52):
and taxes used up the other half of
my wages.
Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington.
Great note.
Eloise.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
Calipages.
Colin is in Willow spring, North Carolina, row
of ducks to 22 dot 22 says, please
accept this short row of ducks.
In appreciation for all your great work, it's
not as lucrative as the money you'd be

(02:16:12):
receiving as a Russian asset.
True, but it does vaguely reflect the value
I received from your work.
By the way, I'd like to let my
fellow slaves know for certain baby making karma
works.
I'm happy to inform you that my smoking
hot wife is now carrying our third human
resource do this spring around Passover, by the

(02:16:34):
way, you Zionist chills, he says, well, as
long as you name him or her, Adam,
John, Colin, or great name, great name, John
Adam, John Adam.
There you go.
No jingles, no karma.
Thank you for what you do.
Calipages, J a Calipages, Colin dub spring, North
Carolina.
Thank you.
And congratulations.

(02:16:54):
That's that's great.
We love it.
We love it.
So let's, let me do Linda Lou Patkin
and Lakewood, Colorado.
We were getting to the end here.
Okay.
Uh, 200 bucks.
She says, I'm so grateful for you both.
Happy Thanksgiving and four more years of jobs.
Karma for a winning resume that gets results.
Go to image makers, Inc.
.com.
That's image makers, Inc.

(02:17:16):
With a K and work with Linda Lou,
Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes.
Thank you.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
Karma.
And we have, uh, Eli, the coffee guy
with two 1128.
Happy Thanksgiving to all out there and get

(02:17:36):
one nation.
He says, today's the first time to enjoy
a good meal and time with the family
tomorrow, black Friday, the season of consumerism begins.
Remember to support small businesses to help your
community and America thrive, visit gigawatt coffee roasters
.com.
We have a site wide sale.
Stay caffeinated.
Eli, the coffee guy.

(02:17:56):
Yeah.
He said in the second note in that
thing, making sure that he wished everybody happy
Thanksgiving.
Yeah.
Uh, yes.
Okay.
Happy.
Thanks.
Fuse nine, six, nine LLC, uh, in Newark,
New Jersey came with 200 bucks.
Top of the morning, Adam and John, happy
Thanksgiving to you, your families, and all the

(02:18:16):
no agenda folk, long time listener, finally donating
to support this amazing show.
Can I get a jobs and money?
Karma jingle.
Well, there's no money.
Karma jingle.
The karma jingle does it by itself, but
we proceed it with the jobs.
Of course, jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's go.

(02:18:37):
I'll add a goat.
Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan, almost done $200.
He says, Adam, keep pushing blue sky people.
Probably the people John follows on Tik TOK
are buying up blue sky digital stock like
crazy.
The only problem is blue sky digital.

(02:18:58):
Isn't the social media company.
It's a shit coin company out of Toronto
and it's hilarious.
It's up to 49 cents.
It is now blue cry.
My friend loved the show.
Here's the four more years.
I would call Michael Schmidt a douche bag,
but it's the holidays and mom would get
mad.
So I'll just say happy Thanksgiving to all

(02:19:18):
Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan.
And he says, I would like Mac and
cheese followed by ants.
The short version.
And then he has a link to that
story about blue sky digital.
Thank you very much.
Happy Thanksgiving to you, brother.
You slaves can get used to Mac and
cheese.
Macaroni and cheese cheddar melted together.

(02:19:38):
Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, Mac and
cheese.
I got ants.
I got ants.

(02:19:59):
You've got karma.
Steven man's last on the list here.
Good list.
Very good.
Yeah.
He's in Plymouth township, Michigan, and he says,
and he's came over 200 bucks and says
simply nice.
No here.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Keep up the great work.
Well, that's easy.
That's easy.

(02:20:19):
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(02:21:14):
Well, I have something I want to play
off.
All right.
This is where I got some stuff on
the ceasefire, but I also have this since
it relates to the last segment.
This is the, I can start it with
the teaser or what we're going to play.
And this again involves that horrible Lopez woman

(02:21:34):
on PBS.
Oh, you even labeled it horrible teaser.
Okay.
Do I just hit it?
Yeah, I hit the teaser still to come
on the news hour.
How Donald Trump's reelection fits into a broader
acceptance of authoritarian leadership.
Authoritarian leadership, authoritarian.

(02:21:55):
So they're going to stick with this because
we've been, you and I have both been
trying to find what thematic things are going
to do about Trump.
Yeah.
And so they're going to go with this
crate.
This report is so ludicrous.
Let's start.
Well, unfortunately I use the at sign instead
of the number two for the second clip,
but this is the horrors, horrid PBS report
on Trump, Trump's authoritarianism.

(02:22:15):
Just so you know, I speak to Vorak.
So when I see the at sign, I
know it means number two.
You said something to the banker about this,
by the way, she told me.
What?
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
What, what did she tell you?
I want to, cause she, all right.
No, just tell me what she told you.
I can't remember the phrase, but you use

(02:22:36):
some phrase I've never heard.
Uh, the Vorak is, um, or something.
No, that's not true.
Oh, she, here's the story, the backstory.
So we do a distribution of the funds.
And I just, Adam has a local bank
account here at the same bank at the
Albany mechanics bank.

(02:22:57):
And I had had to change the account
number for, for a reason.
It's not important, but it had to be,
Adam's got a new account there.
And so, unfortunately, I don't know what happened
when I did the cut and paste, cause
I'm a cut and paste guy.
I left the old account there.
So the banker couldn't get ahold of me,
I guess, and calls you up.
She says, um, yeah, John, I want to

(02:23:18):
deposit, uh, um, you know, you're like your
end of month.
I love it.
We're so like your end of month salary.
Um, but, uh, he got the number all
screwed up.
And it's, uh, and, and I think I
said, Oh, well that's John.
I don't think I said anything like a
John.
there was some, it was a phrase.

(02:23:38):
I'm sorry.
I didn't write it down, but I thought
it was hilarious.
And I called her out on it.
She got, you were a sheep.
I wish I, she's really nice, by the
way.
She's really nice.
I, the fact that she called and just
said, you know, no, she's a great, she's
the vice president at the bank.
She's really a great banker because, you know,
you show up with checks and gold coins

(02:24:00):
and all kinds of like, it's, it's a
huge ordeal the way people support us.
Am I right?
You get a lot of different things that
have to go into the bank.
The owners of the bank.
What are all these checks for $33?
What kind of outfit are you?
What are you guys up to?
What are you doing?
It was years ago in the original bank

(02:24:21):
manager called me.
I says, uh, can you explain what all
these, because we get all these crazy checks
from all these, from these sources that mostly
pay by mail sources.
So there's piles of these checks and they've
got the weirdest numbers on them because people
always put their birthday or 7333.33. There's
a lot of that.

(02:24:42):
I had to explain to him what we
were doing.
I'm amazed we haven't been debanked.
You know what I'm saying?
We haven't been debanked.
All right, back to the horrid PBS lady.
This is clip two.
President elect Donald Trump ran a lot of
his campaign promising retribution for his enemies and
asking absolute loyalty from his supporters.

(02:25:03):
Now, as he prepares for a second term
in office, Laura Barone Lopez has a look
at what that might mean for the future
of us.
Democracy.
William, according to the associated press, 55%
of voters said they were very or somewhat
concerned that Trump would steer the US toward
becoming an authoritarian country.
One where a single leader or small group

(02:25:26):
has unchecked power.
Still, more than one in 10 of those
voters supported him anyways.
To discuss further, I'm holding on a second.
I have a real problem with this from
PBS, and I just don't like it.
It's bothered me for years now.
When did the word anyway become anyways?
And since when is that correct English?

(02:25:49):
I, we don't, I'm not a grammarian, but
I'm sure someone in the audience can explain
it.
Don't you?
Doesn't this bother you when someone of it
sounds true?
It sounds like you're trivializing the story.
Anyway, anyways, it's just not correct.
Anyways.
All right.
It's like saying humongous or gazillion or like
holding your fork wrong, you know, irritates one

(02:26:12):
where a single leader or small group has
unchecked power.
Still, more than one in 10 of those
voters supported him anyways.
To discuss this further, I'm joined by Jason
Stanley, professor of philosophy at Yale University, an
author of erasing history, how fascists rewrite the
past to control the future.
Professor Stanley, thank you so much for joining.

(02:26:33):
why did voters on one hand acknowledge and
express fear, uh, that the country could very
well tip towards authoritarianism under Trump, but then
on the other hand, still vote for him.
The idea that democracy is a value upon
which voters vote, uh, or place enormous priority
on is false.

(02:26:54):
Uh, voters prize a number of things over
democracy, especially voters who have regularly lived in
a country where you can replace leaders and
parties by elections.
This, this is actually quite amazing that he's
saying this, this book writer anyways, book writer.

(02:27:16):
I was at, uh, remember, um, I went
up to see that thing where, where Flynn
was speaking.
Yeah.
Uh, next to Fenton, I think up there
in Dallas.
And there were these two people, they were
probably closer to 70 and they come up
to me and they're, and they're chatting and
they're, they're short people, Brown people.

(02:27:38):
And they say, we are so happy to
be here.
We are so, and they were really talking
about, because this whole thing was about Trump.
We are so happy.
Uh, uh, we want Donald Trump to be
president because we come from Venezuela.
And if America goes down the path of
Venezuela, we'll, no one will have anywhere else

(02:27:59):
to go.
So what this guy is saying is just
so polar opposite to the actual reality of
the world.
It's, it's insane.
This guy is insane.
When you watch him, it's like a doofus
goofy looking guy.
Who's he written a couple of books, always
about fascism and how it's going to take
over in Lopez is all in on this.

(02:28:19):
And this is the PBS, uh, doing this
thing.
It's a socialist operation.
Now it's all that you can say, this
is all about promoting socialism on PBS.
It's a terrible product.
People should not give them money.
They should give it to us or anybody
else for that matter.
But here we go.
Anybody with them, the idea that democracy should

(02:28:41):
be a value.
Well, that's something that schools and universities teach.
That's something we try to emphasize, but it
doesn't mean that people are born that way.
What?
So as soon as he said that I
had to stop it there because born that
way, what is this?
A Gaga song?
I mean, what is, what is the point

(02:29:01):
of saying, well, you know, we teach at
the university, but people aren't born that way.
You know, freedom loving, I guess they're not
born that way.
You have to go to the university.
What he's really saying here is you have
to go to the university because there's a,
there's an overlying pitch going on.
And this was also done on a man
and poor show when they had brought David
Brooks and was just written a new book

(02:29:22):
and his book, Brooks of Brooks and K
part.
He is new book is that, well, they
were the divide.
And I had a bunch of clips on
education that from about five shows ago, I
never ran them, but they're trying to promote
the idea that if you're educated, you're a
smart Democrat.
If you're a dumb fuck, then you're a

(02:29:43):
Republican.
And this is the thing that's been, they've
been promoting this and promoting it.
It's not going to work.
Don't they realize this is not going to
work?
Well, there was another thing that people said,
I don't know if I linked this on
my Twitter account or not, but there was
a, a threesome of historians doing their, their,
that, that show at Stanford Hoover Institute does

(02:30:06):
with that one guy is always asking too
many questions, including David Hanson and two other
guys.
And they were excoriating this notion that the,
the universities are like, if you go to
university, you're, you're, you're going to be a
better person.
You're going to vote Democrat and all this.
You're going to improve the country.
This is where it should go.
And Brooks is now promoting that all year.

(02:30:28):
Yeah.
There's dummies.
I'm very educated person.
As far as I'm concerned, I went to
Cal Berkeley of all places and I went
to other colleges and, and I, I'm not
a, you know, a high school dropout.
And I find this incredibly offensive that they,
they make this assertion that it's everything's based
on education.

(02:30:49):
It's not true.
That's not true.
It's not true.
It's crazy.
But anyway, Victor Davis, I found this born
this way thing to be very offensive.
This is an offensive that I'm obviously offended
by this personally.
Yes.
Victor Davis Hanson, not David Hanson, David Hanson,
David Hanson, the Hanson boys, the Hanson brothers.

(02:31:09):
Whoa.
Hold on a second.
Where'd you go?
Hold on.
Come back.
Something's wrong.
Got a problem.
Adam fell into a pit.
Oh no.
Yeah.
See, there's a trap door in these studio.
Oh no.
One of my monitors just went out.
Oh no.
Yeah.
That is an oh no.
Whoa.

(02:31:30):
And now everything's glitching.
Oh, it's back.
Okay.
Next clip.
We can go.
We'll do it live.
We'll do it live.
Don't worry about it.
We'll do it live.
We're running with scissors, people.
President-elect Trump has openly embraced a number
of strongman leaders, including Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor
Orban.
Trump has also said that he would be
a dictator for a day.

(02:31:52):
He has expressed a desire to seek revenge
against his political enemies.
And he's also threatened to use the military
against civilians during times of civil unrest.
If Donald Trump ends up governing like a
strongman, what does that mean for the future
of democracy?
He will end up governing like a strongman.
He generally does what he says, which is

(02:32:13):
why voters consider him authentic, perhaps rightfully so.
He's appointed Pete Hegseth as his defense secretary,
whose writings show that he regards leftists, political
opponents, university professors as the enemy, as the
real enemy.
So every indication we have is that he's

(02:32:38):
going to rule like an authoritarian and maybe
not step down from power, certainly adjust the
levers of power in our very flawed democracy
so that Trumpism remains in power for some
time to come, perhaps a very long time

(02:32:58):
to come.
And we know that they've been taking advice
from Orban.
And for a long time, people said, including
me, that the United States was too large
to do what Orban did.
For example, Orban took over the media, forcing
the media to sell to his cronies and
friends.
And the thought was the United States is

(02:33:19):
too large for that.
However, couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole
media?
Oh, let me add to your sound effects.
Couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole media?
The whole media as though it's a thing.

(02:33:44):
They brought back the trope about, oh, he's
going to stay tonight, he's not going to
leave.
He left the first time.
This is a pathetic indictment of PBS.
This segment right there that I just played
is an indictment of PBS as a bunch

(02:34:04):
of douchebags.
I heard them- And the Lopez woman
is terrible.
Yes.
Well, the thing is, in our last four
years, we won't be doing much PBS stuff
because the media is now elsewhere.
What people are watching and listening, well, watching,

(02:34:27):
is different now.
We're going to have to be playing Rogan
clips.
And Megyn Kelly clips.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I heard her mention Hegseth.
As Stephanie Ruhle, a favorite with the boys
on the trading room at Goldman, she has
a real problem with Hegseth, particularly his name.

(02:34:49):
But he votes.
Meanwhile, Pete Hegseth, excuse me, Pete Hegseth, I'm
sorry about that, Trump's pick for defense secretary.
She says, Pete Hegseth, and she keeps doing
it.
We'll have a conversation about rationality.
What do you think about Pete Hegseth?
Excuse me.
She keeps saying pig Hegseth.

(02:35:09):
Pig.
Pig Hegseth.
This is really odd.
It's like it got stuck in her brain
and she can't get rid of it.
Very, very odd.
They really hate that guy.
He's been on Gutfeld and all these shows
on Fox a lot.
He's a really nice guy.
He does seem like a nice guy.
Oh, that's a neo-Nazi tattoo.

(02:35:32):
No.
Yeah, he's got the Jerusalem cross on his
chest.
It's huge.
Neo-Nazi.
Yeah, all right.
Okay, there's a lot of concern in the
ether for big agriculture, for big food and
big pharma.
They all know that RFK Jr. has his
target set on them, and we already played

(02:35:53):
the clip several times, what he's going to
do.
He's going to open up the vaults.
He's going to uncover everything, and there's a
lot to be hidden.
And the big food guys go first.
So this, I think, is the cover-up
story, the story you want everybody talking.
I think the lawsuit may even be bogus.
Well, it's a real lawsuit, but it's just

(02:36:13):
bogative.
This is, and it even made, I guess,
is it Nora?
Maybe it's CBS.
Oh, no.
Oh, this is the lawsuit.
Everybody pay attention to this lawsuit.
No, this is the NBC lady.
Sometimes we all just need a meal to
be fast and convenient, right?
Especially when you don't have time to cook.

(02:36:34):
So if you're at the grocery store, you're
looking at the aisles, maybe you'll pick out
something that you can make real quick, like
in minutes, maybe just three and a half
minutes.
But a Florida woman is now saying the
Kraft Heinz company misled people by claiming their
microwavable Velveeta shells and cheese is, quote, ready
in three and a half minutes.
She says that's actually not the case at
all.
It's raising bigger, broader questions about food marketing

(02:36:56):
in this country, consumers and companies.
Here's Zinhle Essamuah.
This microwavable pasta is at the center of
a new lawsuit.
Amanda Ramirez from Florida is suing food giant
Kraft Heinz, alleging the company misleads customers about
just how long it takes to prepare Velveeta
shells and cheese cups.
Velveeta shells and cheese packaging says ready in

(02:37:19):
three and a half minutes, but Ramirez says
the claim is false, since microwaving for three
and a half minutes is one of several
steps needed.
The suit alleges the company is misleading customers,
allowing the company to sell more of the
product at a higher price.
In a statement, representatives for the plaintiffs said
in part, I've gotten a lot of flack
about this case, but deceptive advertising is deceptive

(02:37:40):
advertising, and we want corporate America to be
straightforward and truthful.
So I think the media, the media, television
news, is playing this one up as, oh,
look at this crazy lawsuit.
Everyone can argue.
That's right, it takes me four and a
half minutes.
They're lying, they're lying.
The real lawsuit is obscure report, obscurely reported

(02:38:03):
like this.
A federal judge refused a request by Kraft
Heinz to dismiss a class action lawsuit against
it, accusing the food giant of lying about
its mac and cheese claims of no artificial
preservatives.
District Judge Mary Rowland ruled this week the
plaintiffs made a reasonable allegation the mac and
cheese contains a synthetic form of citric acid

(02:38:24):
and also has sodium phosphates, noting the synthetic
citric acid is different from the natural variety.
The lawsuit specifically alleges the ingredients were used
as preservatives, making Kraft Heinz's claim of no
artificial flavors, preservatives, or dyes on its labels
false.
Kraft Heinz contends the allegations are untrue, and

(02:38:46):
its ingredients do not contain artificial preservatives.
The plaintiffs are seeking damages for fraud and
violations of consumer protection laws.
So you watch, we'll see the morning shows
talk about the other lawsuit, which I think
was just set up so people talk about
that one.
A smokescreen.
It's a smokescreen, exactly.
A straw man.
And then, well, we got to really move

(02:39:09):
as fast as we can.
We don't have much time.
We've got to get as many big, the
biggest by far, the biggest pharmacological product of
the century.
We've got to get it moving before RFK
Jr. comes in.
Let's go, go, go, go.
The Biden administration is proposing a new rule
that would have popular weight loss drugs like
Ozempic covered by Medicare and Medicaid.

(02:39:32):
Public health.
By the way, did your Noah Jenner show
predict that a year ago?
That's what it's all been about.
The answer is yes.
Insurance programs already cover the medications for some
people with diabetes.
But this proposal would allow anyone considered obese,
meaning a body mass index of 30 or
higher, to also qualify for coverage.

(02:39:52):
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, or
CMS, says 22% of Medicare recipients fall
into that category.
Without insurance coverage, these weight loss medications come
with a notoriously high price, some costing $1
,200 a month.
CMS estimates the proposed rule would cost as
much as $35 billion over the next 10
years.

(02:40:12):
CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder joins
me now.
She's also the editor-at-large for public
health at KFF Health News.
Doctor, these drugs have been in the news...
Doctor, hold on a second.
The teleprompter's scrolling.
Let me get my scripts to ask you
the right question, Doctor.
The editor-at-large for public health at
KFF Health News.
Doctor, these drugs have been in the news
for months now.

(02:40:33):
What is the idea behind this, allowing more
insurance coverage so more people can essentially afford
this medication?
So this is really a recognition, a formal
recognition, that obesity is a chronic medical condition,
that taking these medications is not just about
weight loss to look more attractive, etc., but
really that it has an impact on your
health.

(02:40:54):
And what we are seeing is accumulating evidence
that whether you're talking about diabetes, cardiovascular disease,
stroke, kidney disease, dementia, different kinds of arthritis,
we are seeing that these medications have a
really beneficial impact for people who have obesity.
This is unbelievable.
First of all, accumulating evidence, you might as

(02:41:15):
well say no evidence, accumulating evidence that these
medications solve all these problems because you're no
longer obese.
It's not curing these problems, but that's how
they're positioning it, which is...
I like your catch there, because I would
have missed it.
The accumulating term, using accumulating, meaning it's like,

(02:41:37):
well, eventually we hope to see evidence.
Whatever you do, just remember RFK Jr. is
against this, really.
He's wrong.
Well, as you know, President-elect Trump has
picked Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health
and Human Services, which encompasses the Centers for
Medicare and Medicaid, among other agencies.
Kennedy was on Fox News in October.

(02:41:59):
He was asked about a similar bill to
this proposal that would have covered weight loss
drugs.
Let's go ahead and listen.
That alone will cost $3 trillion a year.
If we spent about one-fifth of that
giving good food, three meals a day, to
every man, woman, and child in our country,
we could solve the obesity and diabetes epidemic

(02:42:20):
overnight.
A tiny fraction of the cost.
What is your reaction to that?
Is it that simple?
Well, look, the GLP-1 drugs, these weight
loss drugs, they're not the silver bullet.
Clearly, diet and exercise has not been the
silver bullet either.
I would talk about it as being silver
buckshot.
We need a lot of different solutions to
chip away at this.
The Biden administration, the FDA, has sent to

(02:42:45):
the White House proposed guidelines for front-of
-package food labeling to make it much more
clear to consumers, hey, this food is healthy
or not healthy.
It's really hard sometimes to read the fine
print.
I can see me walking into HEB.
What is this?
Hmm, this is not healthy.
I think I'll have some of that.
...to consumers, hey, this food is healthy or
not healthy.
It's really hard sometimes to read the fine

(02:43:06):
print and figure out what all that really
means.
We're waiting to see if the White House
signs off on that.
But that would be another strategy for addressing
the obesity problem from another perspective.
We also know that the incoming administration has
Medicare and Medicaid in the crosshairs for budget
cuts.
And so something, a rule like this, with

(02:43:26):
respect to the weight loss drugs, that would
increase spending by Medicare and Medicaid really don't
seem very consistent with those plans to cut
the budget.
You're bloody, bloody, bloody, blah.
Boy, they're just doing this.
She's doing the soft shoe.
She's doing a tap dance just to promoto
-zemp it.
The silver buckshot of all things.
I love silver.
That's a great show title.

(02:43:47):
It is.
And she says, oh, diet and exercise.
No, you need, stop with the mac and
cheese, people.
It's not real cheese.
And it may not even be real mac.
It's crap and cheese.
Crap and not really cheese.
Education in your elite schools, please.

(02:44:08):
Last clip.
So you think it's probable that when the
next administration comes in, it would get rolled
back?
I mean, you understand sort of these public
health rulemaking better than anyone.
How long would something like this take in
order to come into effect?
Will anyone even feel the effects before the
next administration comes in?
So with respect to the weight loss drugs,
the Trump administration would have to finalize that.

(02:44:29):
So that would not be until after inauguration,
based on the current timeline.
With respect to the FDA food package labeling,
assuming the White House signs off, then you
would have to open that up for public
comment.
And again, it would be the Trump administration
that would finally act on that.
So first of all, we're talking about months
to years in some cases.
Oh, good.
With Medicare and the weight loss drugs, we're

(02:44:50):
talking about 2026 at the earliest.
Okay.
But even so, a lot of this will
just depend on how the politics play out
in the incoming administration.
This, the whole industry, the keep people sick
industry is so, and finance, the insurance industry,
you know, the Zoomer, she was here for

(02:45:10):
the summer, she got her knee operated on
because she tore her meniscus.
So outpatient, now she is on the Affordable
Care Act because she's very poor, and which
is in this case good because she got
affordable care and she had to pay, I'm
sorry, we had to pay, I think, $1

(02:45:33):
,100 out of pocket for the surgery.
Okay.
But it seems fair.
It's reasonable.
Very reasonable.
So it's an outpatient, it's in and out
same day, good to go.
So we got the bill today, which shows
what insurance paid, et cetera, et cetera.
So what do you think the bill was?
Just the bill that the hospital billed the

(02:45:55):
insurance company for this procedure, one knee, one
torn meniscus?
Well, having experience in this with these deals,
I can tell my story after you're done.
I would guess $45,000.
$119,000.
I'm low.

(02:46:17):
The insurance company- Wait, let's back off.
This was outpatient.
Outpatient.
Then you go in.
And you go out.
And you go out.
So you go in, they do the quick
operation, poking away.
And then you go out, and that's $120
,000.
That was just the hospital, not the surgeon,
not the anesthesiologist.

(02:46:37):
So I'll just leave it at that.
The insurance company paid the hospital how much,
do you think?
I'm sorry, they settled on an amount.
What do you think the settled amount was?
Wait, this is above and beyond the 120?
No, no.
So no one is going to pay $119

(02:46:57):
,000.
No one has that.
It's not going to happen.
So then the insurance company does a deal
with the hospital, and they wind up paying
the hospital how much?
Am I going to guess higher or lower?
No, lower.
Much lower.
Yeah, $60,000.
No, $20,000.

(02:47:19):
And then the hospital says, well, the bill
was really $2112, so you owe us $1
,200, which is probably a reasonable amount for
the surgeon.
What?
Oh, yeah.
This is ridiculous.
Yep.
The anesthesiologist, I think was, Tina would know,
but it was something like $17,000.

(02:47:40):
He winds up getting $550,000, which is
reasonable.
So they just have all these numbers going
back and forth, and they always try to
just soak you.
But, well, I'm sorry, insurance only covers $20
,000, so you have to pay the $1
,200 out of pocket on top of the
$1,000 you already paid, which is really
$2,400, kind of reasonable just for the

(02:48:03):
hospital, for a bed, a room, in and
out, boom, done.
Yeah.
But if you had no insurance, then you're
screwed for the rest of your life.
Right.
That's why they forced insurance.
Yeah, you'd have to pay the $119,000.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the point.
Yeah.
This was a – probably something like this

(02:48:25):
happened when Jay had her appendix taken out
when I was working for Mevio, and Mevio
was – Blue Cross picked it up.
Mm-hmm.
And the bill was – and this was
outpatient.
She went in, you know, gave her a
local or something, and then they went in
with two probes.
They didn't even cut her open.

(02:48:46):
They just had these little – No, just
stick a little tube in there, a little
fiber optic.
A couple tubes, yeah.
One tube to look and the other one
to cut.
Pull out the appendix and then patch her
up, and out she goes, $35,000.
Nice.
And then to make it even more of
a joke, so this is the kicker, was

(02:49:06):
after I had left Mevio because I'd moved
to L.A., they also got rid of
me.
They didn't even offer me a job down
there.
And one of the reasons was because of
the – It was ageism.
It was ageism, I tell you.
Well, it was – there was ageism involved.
There's no doubt about that, but the –
and I should have sued.
But they told me afterwards that what they

(02:49:30):
were paying for my Blue Cross.
Yeah, you told me this, like $5,000
a month or something.
$4,500 a month.
But that was for the whole family.
Oh, gee, yeah.
Me, Mimi, and Jay.
The kids are all grown up, so it
was only the three of us.
That's why we have crowd health, man.

(02:49:50):
We've got the crowd health.
That's how that works out.
It works very well.
It's a scam.
It's a scambola.
Yeah, but Tina has used – these collectives,
they work very well.
They negotiate with the hospital.
The hospital says, okay, well, it's really $20
,000, okay.
When I was a kid, this system never

(02:50:11):
existed.
You just rubbed dirt on it and kept
going.
No, they had doctors that did house calls.
Oh, yes, good times.
In their Cadillacs, did very well for themselves.
Everybody paid cash.
There was no insurance in between, no go
-to in the middle.
Here's a chicken.
Here's a chicken.
TooManyEggs.com.
Thanks, Doc.
Yeah, Doc Holloway.

(02:50:32):
We love you, man.
And there was – you pay cash.
The prices were reasonable, but they were –
it was a doctor, so you had to
pay something.
Yeah.
And they made good money, but if you
look at the real – the kicker here
is all you have to do is look
at these insurance companies and the billions and
the billions and the billions of dollars that
they put on their annual report of profit.

(02:50:53):
That money is being taken out of your
pocket to support just a bunch of bureaucrats
in an insurance company.
Which is a bank, basically.
Yeah, so this is not a healthcare system
at all.
This is a scam.
It's a scam care system, yes.
We're going to wrap it up, John.
I have one more clip.
It's an important development that has taken place

(02:51:13):
in Australia, the first of its kind ever
in the world.
Australia has gotten closer to banning children under
16 from using social media.
The country's House of Representatives passed the bill
today, leaving it to the Senate to finalize
the law, which would be the first of
its kind in the world.
The law would make platforms like TikTok and
Instagram liable for fines of up to 50
million Australian dollars if they fail to prevent

(02:51:35):
young children from holding accounts.
Those platforms would have one year to work
out how to implement the age restrictions before
the penalties are enforced.
This is a very interesting development.
It's a testing ground.
Yeah, you know what's good about it?
It's definitely going to work because, for example,
when you're a 60 or, let's say, a
14-year-old, there's no way you're ever
going to get any alcohol or even drive

(02:51:55):
a car or do anything like that or
smoke weed in the bathroom because it's illegal.
So none of those things happen with kids,
teens.
No, no.
So how are they going to do this?
So this will definitely work because kids are
stupid.
They don't know anything.
Like Kamala said, they're stupid.
They don't know how a VPN works.
And then when one of them finds out,
they don't tell the others.

(02:52:16):
That never happens.
Okay.
Yeah.
Just saying.
Just throwing that out there.
I understand.
But it's going to be interesting to see
how.
And there's amendments now being proposed that, you
know, you can't require.
So not only can you not have kids
under 16 using your product, but you can't
force, you can't tell governments that they need

(02:52:36):
to provide digital IDs.
So the whole thing is a mess.
I don't know how they're going to do
it.
Doesn't it just come down to parents?
There are a lot of parents around here
who just, you know, I've been at dinner
with parents and their young boys, you know,
ages ranging seven to 13, 14.
And we'll be having pizza and we're chatting.

(02:52:59):
And then they say, you know, because everyone
always loves my phone, my flip phone.
Like that's kind of fun.
And I said, well, our kids aren't allowed
to have phones.
And they understand why.
And you always look at the boys and
they always have that really sad look on
their face.
It's like, I'm the outcast of the group.
I don't have a phone.

(02:53:20):
But the parents are doing it.
And there's a lot of parents who make
agreements.
My buddy, Dave Jones, the parents within the
school, within the class that his daughter goes
to, they've all organized themselves.
They got together and said, we're all going
to agree, no phones for these kids.
And none of them have phones.
It's good development here in Fredericksburg.

(02:53:42):
No phones in the school.
That should be, I don't understand why their
phones in the school in the first place.
How did it ever become okay to have
phones in the school?
It's the parents who say, well, I might
need to reach my daughter or she might
need to reach me in an emergency.
How often does that happen?

(02:54:02):
But it's like having a, it's like, if
you go, I remember in the olden days,
you'd go to some restaurant in Beverly Hills
and there'd be some, some top producer.
They'd put a phone on his table.
It was like a phone with a wire.
It's like, excuse me, Mrs. Dvorak, phone call
for you.
And so you have that situation.
And that was always seen as like a

(02:54:22):
little bit pretentious.
Now everybody has a phone at the, at
the restaurant.
And there was a, the first few years
of these phones that restaurants people would, ah,
it's rude.
People were talking on the phone in the
restaurant.
And then after a while, it's just caved.
And they're okay.
So now everybody's on the phone all the
time, everywhere.
It's like, ah, how did it become okay

(02:54:44):
for that?
And how did it become okay to have
a phone, a phone that can ring in
a classroom?
It's not about the phone port.
It's about the internet part.
It's about the apps.
It's about the dopamine hits.
It's about the, the social media.
It's about, it's about, it's about why do
they allow it?
If we were running the country, things would

(02:55:05):
be better.
Yes, we do some exciting things on the
way, including, including John's tip of the day.

(02:55:27):
We also, we have a couple of doctors
of education to congratulate today, along with title
change at a night and of course some
meetups.
But first we want to thank everybody who
supported this particular episode of the no agenda
show $50 or above.
Yeah, there's a few starting with Francis.
She, he, and worse Worcester, sorry.

(02:55:48):
Worcester, Massachusetts, Worcester, Worcester.
This is pronounced Worcester, Worcester.
Uh, one 50 Matthew Lambert in food, quave
arena.
Fouquet.
It's Fouquet.
Yeah.
Fouquet.
Fouquet.
I get the Worcester, but I got the
Fouquet wrong.
North Carolina.
One 33 state golden pony boy.

(02:56:11):
What does that mean?
Uh, Katie Menon in silver Bay, New York.
One, one, one.
Dot one, one.
Uh, Talia Talia.
Dole pre D E U P R E
E in McKinney, McKinney, Texas.
And thank you.
She says, thank you for working on my

(02:56:32):
birthday, which is also Thanksgiving.
There you go.
She turns 40 41.
She's on the list.
Anonymous in Columbus, Ohio, a hundred, uh, John
Catalano in house Springs, Missouri, 100 Alexandra Jagadish
in Western Springs, Illinois.

(02:56:54):
That's a hundred Catherine McCloskey in Brookline, Massachusetts.
One hundred Brian Dowd, Brian Dowd in Stockholm,
New Jersey, 84 38.
I guess that's eight Oh eight with some
fees.
Yeah.
Cause he says lover of boobs.

(02:57:15):
That's right.
Robert Smiley in Holland, Pennsylvania, eight dot eight,
eight.
Another birthday call out.
Jan, Brooke, Jan, Brooke, Brooke, Brooke, Brooke, Brooke,
Brooke, Brooke, not even close.

(02:57:35):
Smilde, Smilde.
That's what I said.
Yes.
And he came in with eight Oh, Oh
eight.
He says, this is the second boob donation
for 20.
Good.
You got a balance.
Uh, boom, Kevin McLaughlin, from Concord, North Carolina,
donation, Archduke, a Luna lover of America and
boobs with eight Oh, Oh, eight.
Another eight Oh, Oh, eight from sir.

(02:57:57):
Herb lamb and sugary hill, Georgia serve fast.
Freddie and Alameda, California, eight Oh, Oh, eight
sir.
Tooth fairy.
You do do God's work.
He says, you guys do do God's work.
We do do.
We do do.
Uh, sir.
Tooth fairy in Valparaiso, Indiana, eight Oh, eight.

(02:58:18):
A lot of boobs today.
Big boobs.
Uh, sir.
Solver in, in silver spring, Maryland, seven, seven
dot seven, seven Scott Merrill in Calabasas Highlands,
California, 75 Kardashian land, Kardashian land.

(02:58:39):
Yeah.
The Kardashians live in Calabasas, but Calabasas Highland
is different.
He's above them.
He can look down on them.
Good.
Uh, Bren Brant, Ben Tinsley in Belfast.
Uh, Oh, Belfast, Ireland, I guess.
Yeah.
UK 73, 77 Dana Carol in Laughlin, Nevada,

(02:59:02):
72 27 Jorge L there, Alvarez, Jorge Alvarez
in Ponte Verde beach, Florida, 71 71 Cameron
Ling in North branch, Minnesota 61 71.
one.
Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California, 6006.

(02:59:23):
Jeremy Brogan in Amhest, Ohio, 6006.
He needs a de-douching for his wife,
Laura.
Steve Banstra in Nashville, Tennessee, 5996.
Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire, 5833.

(02:59:44):
Douglas Harris in Owasso, Oklahoma, 5798.
He needs a de-douching.
Maximalist in Cape Town, South Africa.
It's about time we got somebody there.

(03:00:05):
He needs a de-douching as well, I
see.
5623.
Yes, a de-doucher.
We should have more listeners in Cape Town.
That's good.
Daniel Smith in Dayton, Ohio, 5547.

(03:00:27):
We are now unburdened by what has been,
he writes.
Mika Farrell in Georgetown, Kentucky, 5510.
Mike Boyles in Diamonddale, Michigan, 5510.
He wants a call-out from Michael Hunt
from Beaver Gap for being a douchebag.

(03:00:48):
Douchebag.
Megan Carlotta in Galloway, Ohio, 55.
Nancy Murphy in San Bruno, California, home of
the anonymous cop, I think, 55.
Daniel Fisher in Boaz, Alabama, 53.

(03:01:11):
Boaz, huh?
Leland Smith in Fredericksburg, Virginia, 5272, which is
$50 donor, $52 donation with his fees added.
Nice.
Annette Storgaard in Denmark, 5272.
Hello, Denmark.
Yes.
We need more Danish women.

(03:01:31):
Kevin Adam in Clover, South Carolina, 5272.
Carl Vogler in Dillon Beach, California, 5272, with
a happy Thanksgiving.
Scott Nelson in Council Bluffs, Iowa, with a
traditional 5001.
And now, the last people on the list
are all $50 donors.
I'm gonna just say their names and locations,
starting with Amy Gelinas, or Gelinas, Gelinas, in

(03:01:52):
Burien, Washington.
You've all been there.
George Wuschit in La Vernia, Texas.
Brian Emenheiser in Lancaster, California.
John Taylor in Florissant, Colorado.
Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon.
Sorry.
Richard Gardner, I think he's in New York
City.

(03:02:15):
Inaki Esparza...
Oh, yes.
There's Inaki Esparza Eloring in Mexico City, whose
name I have nothing but trouble pronouncing.
Andrew St. Clair in Salem, Oregon.
Mansoor...
I know how to pronounce this too.
Mansoor, I think.
Rod, and he's in Alpharetta, Georgia.

(03:02:36):
Steven D.
Mann in Humble, Texas.
He says the Liberty app is great.
Libby app.
Libby.
Oh, Libby.
If you wanna read books for free.
I don't know anything about it.
Send me a note.
Dame Melovation in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

(03:02:57):
And last on our list is Dame Toni
with an I, Healths, H-E-L-F
-S-T, in Fort Worth, Texas.
Wanna thank all these people for making the
Thanksgiving Day special.
Y'all be Thanksgiving Day special producers, making
it a winner that it is.
Yes.
Thank you all very much.

(03:03:18):
And we did have a request for some
baby-making karma from Megan Carlotta, so I
don't wanna miss that because the more kids
walking out there with our names, the better,
obviously, because that is the deal.
You get baby-making karma, you get a
baby, you name it John or Adam, no
matter what the gender is.
Thank you to these producers, $50 and above.

(03:03:41):
We never mention under 50 for reasons of
anonymity, but we see you, $49.99. Thank
you.
And of course, the sustaining donors who always
support us with any amount of any frequency
in recurring format.
And again, thank you to our executive and
associate executive producers for supporting us here for
episode 1,716, our Thanksgiving Day episode.
Here's your baby-making karma.

(03:04:03):
Good luck.
You've got karma.
noagendadonations.com.
That's noagendadonations.com.
It's just birthday, birthday.
I'm no agenda.
Talia Dupree turns 41 today.
Happy birthday, Talia.

(03:04:23):
Tina Selby wishes her husband, Tylan Selby, a
happy one, turning 34 today.
James Batsold wishes his mom, Katie, a happy
74.
She'll be 74 tomorrow.
Wake up, Katie.
Jeremy Brogan says happy birthday to his smoking
hot wife, Laura.
She turns 50 on December 5th.
Robert Smiley is turning 63.
And Donna Crawford says happy birthday to Commodore

(03:04:45):
Kirk of the South Bay.
He turns 60 on December 19th.
Happy birthday from everybody here at the Best
Podcast in the Universe.
And you heard him earlier as the top

(03:05:06):
executive producer for today's episode.
Sir Dan the Man ups the ante there
and now becomes an Earl, so he will
henceforth be known as Sir Dan the Man,
Earl of Southwest Florida.
And we thank you very much, Sir Dan
the Man.
It's always good to see a note from
you, and thank you very much for supporting
us.
Now we have three brand new doctors of

(03:05:26):
education, so I would like to congratulate Sir
Dan the Man, Lewis Kellogg, and Dame Lady
Getover, and all three of you are now
officially doctors of education in climate change studies.
Congratulations.
Put the tassel on the other side of
your cap and hang your book bag in

(03:05:48):
the flagpole.
Do they do that in America?
The book bag in the flagpole?
No.
In Europe it is common.
I don't know what it even refers to.
When you graduate, then you run your book
bag up the flagpole instead of a flag.
Do you salute it?
No, you can if you want to.

(03:06:09):
Maybe that's just a Dutch thing.
Wouldn't surprise me.
We have one night to welcome onto our
podium here, if you can bring out the
one night.
Very nice.
Hello, Lewis Kellogg, come on up.
Thank you, sir, for your support of the
Noah Jenner Show and the as Sir Lord

(03:06:31):
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You asked for it.
We have the mutton and mead ready, but
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(03:07:35):
That's it.
No agenda rings dot com.
We have some meetups to discuss.
So there's none today.
Of course, it didn't really expect that.
Oh, you could have had some around the
rest of the world, but nothing happened.
We do have one coming up on Saturday.

(03:07:55):
That is the no agenda central Ohio meet
up five o'clock at Dempsey's in Columbus,
Ohio.
On the list, though, we have a really
long list of meetups throughout the month of
December.
It's really it's popular December to have meetups,
but they also go into January Christmas parties
as a substitute for the once established office
parties that have gone by the wayside.

(03:08:18):
Oh, good.
These are much better.
Find yourself a no agenda meet up on
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You're not going to regret this because you
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All these meetups, they get their own little
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They have telegram groups.
They'll communicate.
They have text groups and they're always working

(03:08:39):
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And we've seen all kinds of connections made,
including marriages, because connection is protection.
And you get it at your no agenda
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Go to no agenda meetups dot com.
Look at the calendar.
Find one near you.
You can't find one near you.
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(03:09:21):
Now, did you have any bring any ISOs?
Yes, I have to.
But before we do that, I want to
mention something.
Did you know that yesterday, Wednesday, the day
before Thanksgiving is called Blackout Wednesday?
Is that when you get blackout drunk?
Yeah, I guess that there was a report
on the on KTVU or local news station
about the police are out in force trying
to pick up drunks as they arrest more

(03:09:43):
drunks on Blackout Wednesday than any other time
of the year.
I did not know that.
I think you'd know that by the you
know, I never heard of this before.
I don't know.
I was too blacked out to hear the
report.
Blackout Wednesday.
All right.
What are your ISOs?
I got two.
Okay.
I got amazing.
That show was amazing.

(03:10:05):
Not bad.
Not bad.
And then I got the dummies.
Happy Thanksgiving, you big dummies.
Well, they're both kind of good.
I don't think I have anything that can
compete.
I have this.
No, that's no good.
Compared to those is no good.
I have this one.
And then the only possible contender.

(03:10:28):
You probably couldn't hear it.
Yes, mumbling.
It says what you got in your mouth,
which is kind of which is, I guess,
semi appropriate for Thanksgiving.
But let me see.
Happy Thanksgiving, you big dummies.
I kind of like that.
Wow, it's a tough choice, John.
What do you think?
I think you can pick either one.

(03:10:48):
They're both a winner.
Yeah, but I'll ask you.
You choose.
I'm too tired.
I think happy.
Well, the problem is going people let's do
amazing.
So we just do amazing.
That show is amazing.
The show is amazing.
Not only is the show amazing, no one
else is amazing.
John's tip of the day.

(03:11:17):
So this tip came from Jay, our back
office worker.
Also known as your daughter.
She and Brandon, who got married, I don't
know, over a year ago, they they could
finally going on their honeymoon.
Oh, how nice.
And they're going to go to Japan and
Dame Astrid and Mark are both going to

(03:11:39):
show them, you know, take him somewhere.
Oh, no, no.
They're going to meet up with him and
they're going to hand deliver the Commodore ship
to him, I think is a surprise.
But now it's not a surprise.
They are going to be shown a good
time.
That's right.
Mark and Dame Astrid are top notch people.
Yeah.
And I told them, you know, well, who

(03:11:59):
are these people?
Well, they're two famous architects.
Yeah, they're just kind of really famous.
I'm just saying, yeah, they're just kind of
famous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kind of famous.
So but Jay's got chickens.
Oh, who's going to take care of the
chickens?
Who's going to take care of the chickens?
I asked her because I said, do I
have I'm thinking, do I have to go

(03:12:19):
there and put the chickens in the coop?
Me, I mean, so I doubt that.
So somewhat they're going to have friends go
over there and look at the house daily,
daily.
But the chicken thing is going to be
taken care of by the automatic chicken coop
door.
Oh, no.
Which is today's tip of the day for
you people that think about having chickens, but

(03:12:40):
don't want to deal with putting them in
the coop every night and locking them in
the automatic chick.
And you look at the Amazon's got a
good one that they want to sell.
It's forty two bucks.
It's cheap.
It's digital.
It's got an anti pinch feature.
So it doesn't crush any chickens.
It's got a timer.

(03:13:00):
So what happens is that you set it
up and the chickens are out roaming around
eating bugs and cleaning your yard up.
And then when it gets dark, chickens naturally
go back into the coop.
They always do.
They just do it.
And then as soon as it gets dark,
the chicken coop door closes.
Yes.
And locks them in there.

(03:13:22):
And of course, what happens if it locks
in a raccoon?
Well, you know, well, you're going to have
a raccoon in there anyway.
And then it opens the next day and
the chickens go back out.
And I guess they've been using it for
a couple of weeks and I guess it
works like a champ.
So people out there looking to get chickens
look into the automatic chicken coop door.

(03:13:46):
And when will they be coming back in
three weeks?
No, no, no.
Coming back in like 10 days or so.
OK.
OK.
So in 10 days, in 10 days, tip
of the day will be the Amazon chicken
remnant vacuum cleaner.
You can guarantee it.
There it is, ladies and gentlemen.
Tip of the day.
Dot net.
No agenda fund dot com.

(03:14:07):
Great advice for you and me.
Just the tip with JCB and sometimes Adam.
Oh, my, my, my.
What a great tip.
Always a good tip here.
John's tip of the day, everybody.
And that does it for our Thanksgiving spectacular.

(03:14:28):
Thank you all for being here.
The trolls, our live studio audience and those
of you who are out there, all of
no agenda nation, all our producers who produce
in all facets and all manners.
Thank you.
I am personally very thankful for you.
And I'm sure I speak on behalf of
my partner.
End of show mixes.
We've got the media.
So Michael Anthony, the mayor of New York

(03:14:49):
City, wish you a happy Thanksgiving.
Jeffrey Crocker, David Kector, who is auditioning.
Um, what's he auditioning for?
He's auditioning for a band.
That guy's an amazing drummer.
He has a drum kit that's out of
control in his, in his, in his house.
Go look him up on YouTube.
David Kector.

(03:15:09):
He's good.
Up next on the no agenda stream.
We've got that Larry show.
That's right.
That Larry guy and Darren Oh, and their
episode is the greatest comeback since Jesus Christ.
Well, wait until JC comes back.
He ain't seen nothing yet.
Uh, coming to you from the heart of
the Texas Hill country in the morning, everybody
and happy Thanksgiving.
I'm Adam Curry.

(03:15:29):
And from Northern Silicon Valley where, Hey, there's
a couple of football games on.
Let's watch that.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Remember us at no agenda donations.com.
We'll see you on Sunday.
Adios, mofos, or who we, who we, and
such.
Happy Thanksgiving, New York City.
As your mayor, I'm going to eat a
plant-based centered lifestyle.

(03:15:50):
Even on a holiday.
Don't eat turkey and ham while I am
eating turkey and yams.
Enjoy your meat while you can.
We already had meatless Mondays in school.
Then I'm on vegan Fridays.
And we going to keep trying to make
a holly all plant-based.
But if y'all still got to eat

(03:16:10):
meat, the FDA just approved lab grown chickens
for human consumption.
And if y'all still not satisfied with
that, we're going to make only crickets and
cockroaches.
Like I said, enjoy that roast while you
can.
Y'all going to be eating rats.
But what is Lindy hop?
You can actually kill somebody's cat and punch

(03:16:31):
her their tires to get them to shut
up.
So, uh, you know, uh, this is what
you get when you go to a trailer
park with a hundred dollar bill.
Yeah.
No.
Well, whether you like it or not, I
really don't care.
We can make money and have an economic
relationship for Ukraine to be very beneficial to

(03:16:51):
enrich ourselves with rare earth minerals containing bad
guys.
I don't even understand what that means.
Let me come back and, uh, you know,
give you a better explanation.
This war is about money.
Lindsey Graham's not the problem.
Here's the problem is I see it.
If you don't have any friends, don't make
some friends, fight this bullshit.

(03:17:13):
This is going to destroy America.
We're going to fight back at the ballot
box.
We're not going to give in what you
say.
Step aside, partner.
It's my day.
Listen to my version.

(03:17:39):
Pardon me, boy.
Is that boy?
You can give me a chance.
That's how this wins.

(03:18:03):
I just want you to remind you, don't
you ever let anybody take your power.
The platforms are not regulated right now, which
gives them car blocks to whatever they want
right now.
Elon is not someone who likes to be
regulated.
And so to buy MSN, he would go
under some federal regulations.

(03:18:24):
Who's regulating CNN right now?
The FCC.
We are under attack.
Russia has been using different levers.
In this case, it's influencers like Donald Trump,
like Elon Musk, to really kind of sow
discord.
And it's particularly troubling with Elon Musk in

(03:18:46):
this case, because Elon Musk has access to
state secrets.
He has top secret security clearance.
It's possible that some of that is seeping
through.
Putin has been very effective in playing both
Trump and Elon.
We are under attack.
What is it that the Democrat Party has
to do differently?
I think that they need to change their

(03:19:08):
policies.

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