1770 - "Control Grid" - No Agenda Show

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Subjugation!
Destruction!
Adam Curry.
John C.
Dvorak.
It's Thursday, June 5th, 2025.
This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media
Assassination Episode 1770.
This is no agenda.
No mo' bromance!
And broadcasting live from the heart of the
Texas Hill Country, here in FEMA Region No.

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6 in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it looks
like it's warming up, I'm John C.
Dvorak.
It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning.
Wow, completely inspired.
Yeah, it was all, I was, I didn't
think anything.
I had nothing to say.
That's what I mean, completely inspired.

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Oh, it's a show?
Okay.
It's warming up.
The weather looks, it's a little windy.
It's warming up, it's warming up.
Not much going on.
Man, Trump is so smart.
Now what?
He's got a, he's perfect.
People are so dense.

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Everybody's in a tizzy.
Elon, Elon is mad at the big, big,
beautiful bill.
Elon is mad.
It can be big, it can be beautiful,
but it can't be both.
Well, he went even further.
He's posting, it's disgusting.
And President Trump is taking questions right now
with Mr. Peepers in the Oval saying, I'm
very, very disappointed.

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That's still going, no, that can't still be
going on.
With Peepers?
As we speak.
You have your monitors up there.
Are they still talking?
No.
The quad is, the quad is everyone's showing
President Trump saying, I'm very disappointed in Elon.
How stupid can everybody be?

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In a blistering 10 post tirade on X,
Elon Musk torched President Trump's signature spending plan
known as the...
That's news for you.
That's ABC news.
And by the way, that is also a
teaser for tip of the day.
Torched President Trump's signature spending plan known as
the big, beautiful bill calling it a disgusting

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abomination and accused lawmakers of passing a massive,
outrageous pork-filled bill that will massively increase
the already gigantic budget deficit.
The President already knows where Elon Musk stood
on this bill.
It doesn't change the President's opinion.
Musk's criticism widens a public rift with the
Trump administration and its allies.
With all due respect, my friend Elon is

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terribly wrong.
The bill could have a major impact on
Elon Musk's businesses.
It would phase out tax credits for electric
vehicles, possibly impacting the bottom line at Tesla.
And it would regulate artificial intelligence.
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who voted for the
bill in the House last month, now says
she did not realize the bill includes a

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10-year federal ban on states regulating AI.
Greene posting, I am adamantly opposed to this
and it is a violation of state rights
and I would have voted no if I
had known this was in there.
So there's a lot here in this one
-minute report.
First of all, Marjorie Taylor Greene is not
read in and she is very afraid because

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Elon Musk has said, I'm going to pull
out my wallet, I'm going to primary anybody
who voted for this disgusting thing.
Well, it's no real surprise that this has
happened.
We've seen various tensions between the two.
They tried to play happy families as Musk
exited the White House last week.
But he has been a staunch opponent of
this.

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We found that out just recently, on Sunday
actually, in an interview with CBS News.
Well now, this though, is his most daring
tweet about this big, beautiful bill, as Donald
Trump calls it.
Musk tweeting, I'm sorry, but I just can't
stand it anymore.
This massive, outrageous pork-filled congressional spending bill
is a disgusting abomination.

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Shame on those who voted for it.
You know you did wrong.
You know it.
Now, he also doubled down on this in
the hours that followed.
He then tweeted, in November next year, i
.e. the midterms, we fire all politicians who
betrayed the American people.
Congress is making America bankrupt.
Now, the White House Press Secretary, Caroline Leavitt,
was asked about this at the press briefing

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today.
Now, she said, look, the President already knows
where Elon Musk stood on this bill.
It doesn't change the President's opinion.
This is one big, beautiful bill, and he's
sticking to it.
Well, indeed, the White House is standing by
that bill, saying it will reduce government spending,
but the man they put in charge of
cutting government spending, Elon Musk, clearly disagrees.

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So, this is like a triple, a triple
thing that's going on here.
Not for a second do I believe the
bromance is over.
First of all, Elon, he needs to get
back to his business.
He needs to show everybody that, well, you
know, like, I'm really not all for this.
You can come back and buy my cars.
That's one.

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Two, we gotta smoke out all the traitors.
We gotta smoke them out, the people who
are just flip-floppy, wishy-washy, like Marjorie
Taylor Greene, who apparently didn't even read the
bill.
That's fantastic.
Well, if I knew that was in there,
I wouldn't have voted for it.
Well, what are you voting for, then?
Thomas Massey, Rand, and, what's the, Ron Johnson.

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They're all like, oh, yeah, no, no, this
is no good, and they're even publicly saying,
we want Elon to fund primary challengers, and
it's bringing out all kinds of right-wing
publications, talking about these, you know, about the
turncoats.
So, it's one, get Elon back to work,

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two, smoke out the people who are not
on the president's team, and three, it's guaranteed
to pass now.
No one's gonna go against Elon Musk.
They're not gonna jump in with him all
of a sudden.
No, you can't, like, just turn around and
say, oh, I love Elon.
Well, not after that fiasco in Wisconsin.

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Oh, the cheesehead thing?
No, when he put tons of money behind
that judge who lost.
Yeah, that's when he had the cheese on
his head.
Oh, you put a cheesehead on?
Yeah.
I have one of those.
Of course.
They fall apart after a while.
I don't know what it's made out of,
but it's just one of those things that

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oxidizes and starts crumbling.
It becomes a disaster.
Yes.
So, this is an obvious gambit.
It's so clear, but everybody, oh, you know,
this is about Elon's business.
He doesn't like it because of his business.
What?
Because he's not gonna get SpaceX deals?
Please.
Because of the phase-out of the subsidy

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on electric vehicles?
Please.
And it gives the M5M all kinds of
reasons to speculate, and yeah, we knew this
would end.
It's all over.
Yeah, they don't even know how to break
up these boys.
The president has remained uncharacteristically quiet as Elon
Musk continues to attack this bill.
Attack.
It's obviously kind of a, I don't know

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if it's a tricky situation for both of
them, but what do you make of his
silence?
This, by the way, I think is the
guy who wrote the article, which he's been
doing the rounds everywhere.
All of a sudden, Mark Caputo, scoop!
Scoop!
This is on Axios.
Scoop, colon.
For reasons Musk attacks Trump's big beautiful bill.

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Here are the four reasons.
The legislation cuts the electric vehicle tax that
helps carmakers like Musk's Tesla, which really phases
out over many years.
Two, Musk was working at the White House
as what's called a special government employee.
He discussed trying to stay beyond the 138
time limit.

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He's pissed about that.
Three, Musk wanted the Federal Aviation Administration to
use his Starlink satellite system for national air
traffic control.
But it's not happening.
The administration balked.
And the final straw appeared to come Saturday
night when Trump abruptly announced he was withdrawing
the nomination of Jared Isaacsman, a Musk ally,

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to be NASA administrator.
That's the reason?
And this guy is everywhere.
Set up?
Obvious.
Yeah.
I think it is a tricky situation for
both of them.
Elon Musk is the richest guy in the
world.
He owns the most important social media platform.
No disrespect to True Social.

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And he's very popular with a big segment
of Trump's coalition, including a lot of people
in Congress.
And meanwhile, Trump is very popular with a
lot of people like Elon Musk.
It's sort of like that old expression where
you ride a tiger until you have to
get off, and that's when the tiger eats
you.
These guys have been sort of taking turns
riding each other's fame and cults of personality,

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and they just don't know how to break
up.
And it creates real political problems for both
of them, and it's kind of fascinating to
watch.
How does it create political problems for Elon
Musk?
He doesn't have a political career.
You have new reporting about more personal reasons
why Musk may be unhappy with the president,
including the White House, withdrawing the nomination of

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Musk's ally to head NASA, the FAA balking
and using the Starlink for national air traffic
control, and maybe unhappy about tax credits for
electric vehicles being cut by the bill, which
is something that Speaker Johnson mentioned yesterday.
You broke this story.
It was a big scoop.
You also report Musk actually wanted to remain
a special government employee past the legal 130

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-day limit, and this was after he was
gifted that golden key.
Donald Trump does like Elon Musk.
Now, he's kind of annoyed and not really
happy with Musk teeing off on the legislation
the way he has, and there's a whole
bunch of discussion to be had about that.
But in the end, he respects Elon Musk.
He likes Elon Musk, and that's partly informing

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this very rare impulse control from President Trump.
The other thing I'm told by White House...
All of a sudden, President Trump has impulse
control.
It's amazing.
What could possibly be going on?
Officials, is that Trump doesn't really want to
feed this anymore.
They don't want to give more oxygen to
Elon Musk.

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These are my words, not theirs, but I
can tell that there's sort of a hope
that Musk will sort of punch himself out.
However, as you've seen from Musk's personal life,
where he's had a number of nasty breakups,
his breakups and the end of his relationships
with people sometimes in a rather acrimonious way,
and we're seeing a little sign of that

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here with the President, at least one way
from Musk to President Trump.
Trump is in the water, and the minnows
are all over it.
Especially on the right.
It's amazing.
Do you not know Trump's algorithm by now?
Have you not figured it out?
It's just baffling to me.

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Right on cue in the troll room, yeah,
this is all to cover up the Palantir
news.
Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Troll
Matthews.
Yes, we have a note.
We do.
We have a boots on the ground from
an insider at Palantir.
What was the Palantir news?

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It was just a rumor, wasn't it?
Just a gossipy thing?
No, no, no.
Trump is going to use Palantir to create
a profile of every American, and then he's
going to do something with it.
Where was that released as news?
Oh, I had a guess last time in
the show notes.
Hold on a second.
I'll look up for you.
We didn't even get to it because I
knew right away.
It's like, alright.

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Palantir.
Here we go.
New York Times.
Would that make sense?
That our very own trolls fall for that?
Alex Carbco.
Here, headline.
Palantir to compile data on Americans.
Alex Carbco, founder, chief executive of Palantir, at
a forum in Washington in April.

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Trump has not publicly talked about the effort,
but behind the scenes, officials have quietly put
technological building blocks into place to enable...
This is not a new story.
This is a speculative story.
Well, it's based upon what this Alex Carb
said at this forum in Washington.
And the Trump administration has expanded Palantir's work

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across the federal government in recent months.
The company has received more than $113 million
in federal government.
That's a bad contract by the way.
You've got to be at least a bill.
Since Mr. Trump took office, according to public
records, including additional funds from existing contracts as
well as new contracts for the Department of

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Homeland Security and the Pentagon.
So, the push has put a key Palantir
product called Foundry into at least four federal
agencies, including DHS, Health and Human Services Department,
widely adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data,
paves the way for Mr. Trump to easily
merge information from different agencies.

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Imagine that.
Wow, you mean like the DMV from Washington
States talking to the DMV from California so
they can find out you're a drunk?
Imagine that.
So, we have we got our boots on
the ground from an insider from Palantir, his
credentials check out, and of course he's been
asked he's asked us to keep his identity

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anonymous and his work history, which is interesting.
Yes, that would be a giveaway.
I was recruited by Palantir to help stand
up its AML platform, that's anti-money laundering
platform.
Platforms like this use machine learning models to
confirm identity and detect suspicious transaction activity.
To do this they use mountains of data

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from various clearinghouses and data from other clients.
Late in the interview cycle I requested to
speak with the head of product.
I asked him how they sourced their seed
data for machine language training.
He informed me they had no data.
Part of my job is to get agreements
in place with tier one banks to source
that data so they can begin training models.
Based on this, I declined the job.

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People like Whitney Webb would have you believe
Palantir is scraping all of our data for
Mossad.
There it is.
Stop.
That's the best part of the note.
If that were the case, Palantir would have
more than enough data to train their AML
models.
They have exactly zero data in-house, meaning
she's full of crap.

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What Palantir actually does is provide the platform
for organizations to perform machine learning training off
their own data.
This is exactly what Trump wants Palantir to
do for the various executive agencies.
I get the arguments why this could be
bad, but there are very real reasons why
this is a great thing.
Medicaid paid Thomson Reuters $5 million for the

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Social Security Administration death master file data.
Yes, the government paid $5 million to a
Canadian company for its own data.
This is only one example that I am
directly familiar with, but I'm sure there are
dozens.
The government's data infrastructure is an ungodly mess,
and if we can fix it with Palantir,
it could help eliminate Social Security and tax
fraud and speed up every government service.

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And that makes sense.
That's what Doge was doing.
Connecting databases.
Connecting data sources.
I also see this as a good thing.
I do too.
But oh no.
This is it.
This is exactly it.
It's the Whitney Webb thing.
Yeah, Whitney Webb.
And it's not just Whitney Webb.

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I wasn't even planning on rolling this out
this early.
It is also Katherine Austen Fitz.
Because you know how many times...
I went back and looked.
You know how many times we have either
discussed or talked about Katherine Austen Fitz on
the podcast?
I do not know, but I do...

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Her name does ring a bell.
It's almost close to 100 times.
Yes, go to bingit.io. In the past
17 and a half years.
It's really...
She sneaks in a lot.
She does sneak in a lot.
And we just noticed it now?
No!
We need Palantir.
But she was on the Danny Jones podcast.

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Let's just pretend we know who Danny Jones
is.
But he's got views.
You know, we promised ourselves we'd do more
with the alternative media.
Now the question, because she...
The question is, Trump is big on Bitcoin.
Now listen to how she answers without even
mentioning Bitcoin at all.
And what she immediately states as fact.

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So Trump has been super...
This current administration, this new administration, or at
least when Trump was running, he was very
pro-Bitcoin.
Trump was put in by the bankers to
get the control grid.
The other team in the Unipower wasn't moving
fast enough.
They couldn't get the control grid.
Wait, wait, wait.
I get to wait.
I didn't understand what she said.

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She said he was put into the bankers,
blah, blah, blah.
I couldn't understand what she said.
What'd she say?
She speaks quite eloquently.
I'll repeat it and I'll play it again.
put in the control grid.
This, by the way, she was in the
housing administration, I think.

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She was reasonably senior within the US government.
And her whole thing has been control grid,
Mr. Globalist, I don't know who that is,
but they've stolen all our money.
Okay, well, yeah, duh.
All the money's been stolen.
But it's all about the control grid.
Palantir, it's all...
She's like the adult Whitney Webb.

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get the control grid.
The other team in the uniparty wasn't moving
fast enough.
They couldn't get the control grid.
I say you a link.
We just did a new collection of all
the things Trump is doing to move the
control grid.
He is moving very, very fast.
When it comes to building...
Hold on a sec.

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Yeah, Richard Johnson, troll.
We didn't say Trump combining all the info
the government has on Americans into a big
database is a good thing.
We didn't say that.
When Elon Musk was connecting all the databases,
everyone loved it.
Think with your head, man.
First, he's getting the Real ID implemented very

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aggressively.
Real ID.
To do a control grid, you need a
very high quality, precision national ID.
Yeah, that's what that little star on my
driver's license is, is a very high quality,
high precision national ID.
That's pre-Trump.
It's been going on for decades.
Decades.
Way pre-Trump.
Interoperable with all the other IDs around the

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world.
And he's got Kristi Noem out there pushing
the Real ID like there's no tomorrow.
I agree.
I haven't heard her say shit about the
Real ID.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We even played a clip of her talking
about it.
Yeah, we did.
Okay.
In fact, let me make sure I'm...
Real ID.
Noem.
Yeah.

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Yeah, here it is.
Hi, I'm Kristi Noem, the United States Secretary
of Homeland Security.
If you plan on traveling, we need your
help to prevent delays and to prove your
identity.
Get a Real ID.
Starting May 7th, you will need a Real
ID to travel by air or to visit
federal buildings in the United States.
She's definitely pushing it like no one else's

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business.
But to me, it's just a big distraction
from the obvious facial recognition that's going on
at every airport.
Don't need a Real ID for that.
They're just taking my image.
Don't worry, we'll delete it.
We'll delete it within 24 hours.
It won't delete anything.
Real ID implemented very aggressively.
Real ID.

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To do a control grid, you need a
very high-quality, precision national ID that's interoperable
with all the other IDs around the world.
And he's got Kristi Noem out there pushing
the Real ID like there's no tomorrow.
I don't know how it's interoperable.
Is there a Real ID database I'm unaware
of that every single country has tapped into?

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No.
So they're working, and it's done through the
states, but the feds are pushing it.
So the first thing you need is a
digital ID.
The second thing you need is an all
- digital financial system.
So you've got to kill cash, and you've
got to make everybody interact digitally.
And if you look at what he's doing
with taxes and Social Security, he's trying to
make everybody...
He's canceled pennies, but he's also canceled now.

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Normally I pay my taxes with paper, and
now he's saying, no, you've got to do
everything digitally.
It's not this year, but next year.
Really?
If you go through that list, I've got...
Oh my gosh.
John, you and I, do you even send
a check?
I still send checks to the IRS.
Do you send a check, or do you
do it online?
You don't do it at all.

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Mimi does it, but let's just pretend we
know.
It's...
we actually have to, because we had our
identity stolen a number of years ago.
Yeah.
Mimi actually has to go in.
In person?
In person to the IRS and hand them
a check.
Wow.
Well, she better bring her real ID.

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She won't get in the office.
But wait, she...
Katherine Austin Fisk is about to bring in
my favorite topic.
Really?
So he's trying to...
If you go through that list, I've got
50 different items of what he's doing.
And if you...
I would love to see the list of
50 different items of what he's doing.
I would like to see...
She's got that nervous, that voice of hers

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is enough to make you not believe a
word she says.
Even though she's very smart.
She sees a lot of things correctly, but
this...
Trump was brought in by the bankers to
get the control grid in place.
Okay.
Really?
So he's trying to...
If you go through that list, I've got
like 50 different items of what he's doing.

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Where's the list?
And if you look at what they're doing
with the Genius Act and Stablecoin, he said
no CBDCs.
But...
My favorite topic.
The Genius Act and Stablecoin.
Okay.
Stablecoin...
So I don't know if you've read the
Genius Act, which is the new plan for
stablecoins.
Okay.
A CBDC would be issued by the Federal
Reserve.
So presumably the New York Fed and the

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Fed member banks.
Okay.
Now, they are owned by their members.
So Citibank, JPMorgan Chase, they own...
As members, they own the New York Fed
and basically govern it.
Okay.
And the New York Fed is the depository
for the Treasury and the different banks work

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as agent to do those transactions.
Okay.
So now in the Genius Act, what they're
saying is the guys who own the New
York Fed are all going to create subsidiaries
and issue stablecoin, which will be interoperable and
can work with a social credit system.
So she just throws that out there.
It'll interop with a social credit system, which

(23:23):
I guess is being built by Palantir based
upon all of the information and your real
ID.
Yeah, you know, you're making that up.
This last clip, which is short, she actually
explains perfectly what the stablecoin gambit is and
she has this so right.

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But to me, it completely detracts from her
whole conspiracy mind because if she'd answered the
question, which is about Bitcoin, which never comes
up again, that's the antithesis of a stable
coin.
But okay.
What they're planning to do on stablecoin, which
I have to say is a financial matter,
is quite clever.

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Remember the pallets of cash you sent to
Iraq?
Oh, yeah.
This is going to be the digital equivalent
of the pallets of cash sent to Iraq.
See, this doesn't even make sense.
So the pallets of cash sent to Iraq,
stablecoin is going to be the digital equivalent
of that.
Oh, because it's so anonymous?

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Because we don't know who holds that pallets
of cash.
We don't know exactly whose pocket that's in,
but for some unknown reason now, the stablecoin
is going to be just like anonymous cash,
which of course she said it's not going
to be.
Okay.
This is going to be the digital equivalent
of the pallets of cash sent to Iraq

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because what they want to do with stablecoins,
so a stablecoin is just a bank deposit
or a treasury bill or bond, so it's
fully collateralized by a dollar.
You put a dollar in and these stablecoins
are going to, I mean, you have some
stablecoins that do gold or other things, but
these are going to be...
Gold or other things.
Bitcoin is already backing stablecoin, but let's just
gloss over that.

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Dollar.
And this is going to create a huge
market for the treasury bills and bonds.
And you're going to, the bank subsidiaries will
create the stablecoins that will be fully collateralized
in treasury bonds or bills, but then you
can send them out on Google Payment and
Apple Payment and all the wallets around the
world and literally you can get people from

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Bolivia to South Korea coming into your state
and using stablecoins.
Yes!
So you're literally going to tend for the
global population try and get everybody off of
their local currency and the stablecoins and you're
going to pump out massive amounts of private
credit to make it really attractive.
So you're just going to hand out money
and get everybody on the dollar.

(25:53):
Yes!
Exactly!
Is that a bad thing?
It's being the world-reserved currency without being
the world-reserved currency.
I know it's a big concept for people,
but this whole idea of control grid, but
then all of a sudden it's like pallets

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of cash.
No, no, no, no, no.
This stablecoin thing has got real legs and
I think it is genius.
And there's already 400 million people in the
world who use stablecoin.
Almost none of them in the United States.
Because you can use your Venmo.
You can use your PayPal.

(26:33):
You can use all that.
It's not intended for us.
But okay.
Just calm down everybody.
The control grid, the Palantir, Peter Thiel, Elon
Musk.
Oh no!
What are we going to do?
As if the control grid wasn't already here

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on your phone.
The phone in the drawer?
You are the only one they can't find.
Where's this Dvorak character?
We can find family members all over the
country from South Dakota to Washington, but we
can't find the kingpin.
Where is he?

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So calm down everybody.
The best thing about the big beautiful bill
is the extension of the tax cuts, and
you want that.
You want that.
And what is it going to add?
It's going to potentially add $270 billion a
year to our already out of control deficit?

(27:40):
Well, that's debatable.
If it's that much or if it's more
than that?
It's that much, but it's debatable whether we
really add to it or not.
The whole idea is we're going to outgrow
the deficit.
We're going to get a lot of cash,
which I think, doesn't that directly impact the

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deficit if we get a lot of cash?
We get a lot of tariff money, yes.
Also, with the stable coin, the way I
understand it, you can get the stable coin
at par to the dollar, one for one,
if you deal with us.
If you don't deal with us, you get
it for 95 cents.

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This has Trump's fingerprints all over it.
He is much more of a meta guy
than people understand.
He just comes across as a doofus.
I think he's got it by the right
end this time.
If not, well, whatever, we'll have another guy
in three years and we'll see what happens
then.
But all of this stuff that's going on,

(28:42):
it's sending our people, our people into a
tizzy.
Our people have been in a tizzy for
a while.
I'm trying to calm them down.
It's going to be okay.
I think it's out of control.
You can't fight it.
I want to fight it.
You're spending too much time fighting it.
You want to hear...
You want to spend more time mocking it.

(29:04):
I don't want to mock our own people.
You have to.
No, I don't think that's necessary.
I am here to help spin down my
people.
I'm sorry.
I have to do this.
At the tone, a clip from The View
will be played.
Shelter in place.
Elon Musk basically could tank Donald Trump's entire

(29:25):
legislative agenda.
This big, beautiful bill, it has energy, it
has border security, it has extending his tax
cuts in it.
If Republicans decide, ooh, we don't want to
get on the wrong side of Elon, that
is what Donald Trump is banking it all
on, and that's kind of devastating for his
administration.
On the flip side, those Republicans, if you're
in a House district, you're like, I'm afraid
of Donald Trump.
But Elon Musk, because of the dark money

(29:46):
system we live in, he can come in
and primary you by just pouring millions and
millions into your race.
And we know it doesn't necessarily work, because
we just saw, thank you for reminding us,
we saw that in Wisconsin, so what are
you talking about?
He can come in and...
It had just the opposite effect as a
matter of fact.
I would say so.
I believe it had, I believe they got
wind of it, and it had the opposite
effect of the desired effect.

(30:08):
...primary you by just pouring millions and millions
into your race.
And there is that that, you know, if
one was going to think, you know, ooh,
maybe this happened.
You know, Elon knows the 411 on everything.
Yeah, he got all that information.
He knows how...
He's literally sitting at Twitter, looking at everybody's
information.
Yeah, I see what you're doing, I see

(30:29):
what you're looking at.
Did she say 411 on everybody?
Oh yeah, the 411, baby, that's how all
the kids are talking.
Ten years ago.
Well, she better guard her six.
Ooh, maybe this happened.
I think you can say that, that's like
you can turn, like, a code switch.

(30:51):
Like, Elon knows the 411 on everything.
Everything.
Maybe this happened.
He knows how all this came down.
Came down.
So now someone...
Ooh, Harumph!
Harumph?
I'm so angry!
So Trump should be afraid of him.

(31:11):
I think Trump is afraid of him.
He has seats on the election, too.
I think he is afraid of him.
Well, $20 million he spent alone in that
Wisconsin Supreme Court race, so imagine, he would
just need to peel off a handful of
Republicans this cycle.
Like, the entire balance of power in the
House of Representatives could stand on if Elon
Musk actually follows through in primaries, people who
vote for him.
And the votes to peel off are there,
because the party is divided on what it

(31:32):
wants to do.
But hasn't this damaged Elon Musk's reputation?
Massively.
Tesla's...
You can't even sell them anymore.
You can't even get rid of them.
People aren't buying them.
They're burning them.
Did you hear?
Yes, they're burning them.
I'll tell you something else.
It dawned on me.

(31:53):
It was not hard, because it kept hitting
me in the face like a wet salmon.
There will be no peace in Ukraine until
after the big NATO summit.
Because it is so obvious now, and I
would say that President Trump and President Putin
are both in this.

(32:13):
Do you get hit in the face by
a wet salmon a lot?
Have you ever...
I grew up in Holland, man.
I think it's a Dutch expression, actually.
I think that's where it comes from.
But thanks for interrupting my flow.
I'm sorry, but you got me jammed with
that one.

(32:35):
It's just like when you get hit in
the face with a wet salmon.
What?
That's never happened to me.
Well, you've never lived in Holland.
I think that President Trump, President Putin, they
are definitely playing together.
And everyone's jumping in on it.

(32:56):
The Germans, the Brits.
The Brits are...
Hold on a second.
I got to play this from the Brits
first.
Listen to Keir Starmer.
It's a plan to reverse decades of post
-Cold War British military decline and to send
a message to Moscow after its invasion of
Ukraine.

(33:17):
We are moving to war-fighting readiness.
When we are being directly threatened by states
with advanced military forces, the most effective way
to deter them is to be ready.
We got to spend some money, everybody.
The UK will boost both stockpiles and weapons
production capacity that could be scaled up if

(33:37):
needed with at least six new munitions factories.
The plan includes building 12 new attack submarines
and investing more in Britain's nuclear arsenal.
We are investing £15 billion in our sovereign
warhead programme to secure our deterrent for decades
to come.
It's also a message to Washington.

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Like other NATO members, the UK has been
reassessing its defence spending since Donald Trump returned
to the White House threatening to pull away
from Europe's defence.
Everything we do will add to the strength
of NATO.
As we step up to take greater responsibility
for our collective defence, the NATO alliance means

(34:19):
something profound that we will never fight alone.
The new announcements come after the UK pledged
to raise defence spending to hit 2.5
% of GDP by 2027 and 3%
before 2034.
But it's unclear where the money will come
from for the latter target.
As he juggles severely strained public finances, Starmer

(34:42):
has portrayed the higher defence spending as a
way to create jobs and has already contentiously
cut international aid spending.
General Smedley Butler said it best.
War is a racket and I think in
this case, except for the poor Ukrainians, we
are going to be raising everybody's GDP by
creating more war machines and it's going to

(35:04):
be particularly good for the United States because
we have helped and facilitated the fear that
Russia's going to take over everything and Putin's
the big bad boogeyman and we need to
have more money and nothing proves it better
than the ministers of defence all getting together
in Brussels talking about the new budgets and

(35:27):
led as always by the interestingly nose-touching
sniffing Mark Rutte.
NATO defence ministers are meeting in Brussels to
lay the ground for the summit in The
Hague and also take key decisions to enhance
our deterrence in defence.
We will also address our continued support for

(35:48):
Ukraine and the urgent need for peace.
The world, how do we get peace?
Is becoming more dangerous.
There's Russia's brutal war against Ukraine.
The threat of terrorism and intense global competition.
We will continue to protect our people and
our way of life.
Now there's a BUD coming.
So we must make NATO a stronger fairer

(36:11):
and more lethal alliance.
At this ministerial we are going to take
a huge leap forward.
We will strengthen our deterrence in defence by
agreeing ambitious new capability targets.
Oh, new capability targets, what does that mean?
To deliver on our new targets it's clear
that we will need significantly higher defence spending.
That underpins everything.

(36:32):
Yes, more defence spending because if we defend
it we will be better than the Romans.
NATO is the most powerful defence alliance in
world history.
It's even more powerful than the Roman Empire.
More powerful than the Napoleon Empire.
We are the most powerful defence alliance in
world history.
But a defence alliance needs maintenance and needs

(36:53):
investment.
Needs maintenance.
If you want to be strong you need
to maintain it.
And that's exactly why in NATO we have
this whole system, the NATO defence planning process
leading to an agreement on the capability targets.
That means that we will have exactly exact
clarity on where are we and where should
we be if we want to be able

(37:13):
to defend ourselves not only today but also
in 3, 5, 7 years.
Listen to the German Chief of Defence who
said this week on the record that within
4 or 5 years the Russians might be
able to attack us.
4 or 5 years they come to attack
us, the Russians are coming!
I and all my colleagues want to prevent
that because we want to stay free.

(37:34):
We value our way of life and we
don't want any form of Russian dominance over
NATO territory.
Ok, so we need to spend.
So all the ministers are together, they're all
talking about it and they're trying to put
that 5% together with some fuzzy numbers
and this is very suspicious what's going on.

(37:57):
Now the US, the Trump administration has been
demanding a 5% target.
That's way up from the existing 2%
target.
Mark Rutte has figured out a way to
kind of fudge that.
His proposal on the table is that that
would be a 3.5% target for
hard military spending, tanks, ammunition, this type of
stuff and then an additional 1.5%

(38:19):
on military adjacent spending which would be things
like cyber security, it could be investing in
domestic infrastructure to make sure bridges are able
to withstand the weight of tanks.
This has been greeted cautiously let's say by
the US administration.
It could be that Trump shows up to

(38:41):
that NATO summit at the end of the
month and says no, we need 5%
hard spending.
Yeah, we definitely do and Pete Hegseth was
very clear about it because he's also in
Brussels.
It's very good to be here with Ambassador
Whitaker.
I thought his remarks, statements, everything yesterday were
spot on.
So thank you for representing the United States

(39:01):
and I don't think anybody has done more
to advance the cause of strengthening NATO than
President Trump and he started it in his
first term calling for 2%, calling for investment
in this alliance.
You've got to be, to be an alliance,
you've got to be more than flags, you've
got to be formations, you've got to be
more than conferences, you need to be combat
ready capabilities.

(39:22):
He didn't quite have all the alliteration down
but he finally got there.
So we're here to continue the work that
President Trump started which is a commitment to
5% defense spending across this alliance which
we think will happen, which we think has
to happen by the summit at The Hague
later this month.
So that's our focus, 5%, combat credible and

(39:42):
capable forces and then making sure NATO is
focused on its core mission, continental defense, where
its comparative advantage exists.
So we look forward to talking to counterparts
today and advancing American interests but also the
interests of the continent.
5%.
That's just it, 5%.
And where is that going?
To us.

(40:03):
And Putin then gets to do his thing
and Russia, well, you know, they're ramping up
over there we need some more money.
Everyone's doing it.
You know, we just have to make sure
no one goes crazy and pushes a button
but that behooves no one.
So to me no peace until after the
big splash in The Hague and then miraculously

(40:25):
we won't have a what do they have
in North Korea?
Armistice?
We'll do something like that.
We won't have an actual peace agreement, I
don't think.
This has always been about money.
It always is.
The joke is tanks?
I know!

(40:46):
Check the calendar!
You know, on the drones I got a
really interesting short clips from the War Room
podcast.
This is not Banyan.
It's not Banyan.
Before you say that I want to mention
a meme that's been floating around which is,

(41:08):
it says American aircraft carrier, it shows an
aircraft carrier big giant thing, one of the
big ones.
Then it says French aircraft carrier, it shows
one of the French aircraft.
It says Chinese, it shows a Chinese one.
Then it says Ukrainian aircraft carrier, it shows
a big rig.
Just a truck.
Well.

(41:29):
A lot cheaper.
There's so many questions around that drone attack.
I love the aerial footage that is circulating
which seems to be drone footage going over
the destroyed bombers.
Some of them have five engines, some have
three.
It's so obvious.

(41:51):
Tell that to bombers?
Yeah, it's AI.
AI video floating.
Who knows what's even real anymore?
We can't tell.
We don't know.
This completely explains the drones over New Jersey.
It's very interesting to learn from this Lieutenant
Lushenko.

(42:13):
Lieutenant Lushenko, he is with the JCO.
Hold on a second, I have him.
U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel serves as the
chief strategist and director of future studies and
war gaming for the Joint Counter Small Unmanned
Aircraft Systems Office, known as the JCO.

(42:34):
He's propagandist, obviously, but he's good.
It is different to think about homeland defense
versus force protection of soldiers and coalition forces
abroad.
In a recent exercise, what we found was
that we are just out of position, frankly,
in the homeland in terms of the kit,
in terms of training, and in terms of
policies and authorities.

(42:55):
Things as simple as how do we communicate
across the interagency with the FAA, the Federal
Aviation Administration?
How do we share information?
What does it mean to coordinate high-end
jamming capabilities like counter-precision navigation and timing?
You don't want to shut down a commercial
aircraft because you're trying to take down a
20-pound drone.
That's absolutely right.
The other thing, Tom, is that we lack,

(43:16):
and this is clearly stated and admitted by
our senior leaders to include the Northern Command
commander, General Guillo, and the Vice Chief of
Staff in the Army, we lack the ability
to identify friend or foe at installations.
Domain awareness is a huge challenge for us.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Of course, we can't have Gene Neftulia flying
his drones around and not knowing if it's

(43:36):
a Russian.
Oh, wait, he is a Russian.
And they're killer drones, too, and we sell
them.
As it relates to friendly forces, I think
we've had some marginal success, although we still
lack kit, especially in the homeland, as it
relates to defeat of these capabilities.
And so the JCO, through its demonstration portfolio,
we actually have no...

(43:56):
Demonstration portfolio?
Is that the sales brochure?
This guy loves talking like this.
I love this.
Through its demonstration portfolio, we actually have no
authority to purchase anything.
We're influencing industry and joint force partners to
buy stuff on our behalf.
But through that sort of process, we have

(44:18):
encouraged the fielding of FS LIDS, fixed site
low, slow, small, unmanned aircraft system interceptor.
And that has sort of a KU band
radar coupled with a small form factor, less
costly missile called the Coyote that has proliferated
across Central Command based upon the threat there.

(44:40):
And indeed, President Trump, during his recent trip
to the Middle East, agreed upon selling 15
or so of these capabilities to Qatar.
Sounds a lot like the drones that were
used in Russia, honestly.
Autonomous, they got LIDAR, they got little bombs
on them.
Perfect.
And lasers.
I gotta ask, are we having success with
lasers on UASs?

(45:02):
I hadn't heard that, and it sounds awfully
Star Wars-ish.
That's right.
I think we're in the beta testing phase
at this point, right?
And so what I've seen from the initial
reports from CENTCOM is we need to do
a lot more work as it relates to
that.
But at this point, we're really not wasting
time in moving out quickly and smartly in
concert with the Defense Innovation Unit on this.

(45:24):
In fact, there is a forthcoming executive order
or so I'm told from the Trump administration,
which is attempting to energize the industrial base
in the United States to increase investment, not
just for homeland defense, but also force protection
in terms of these capabilities.
Money, money, money.
Yeah, force protection.
And by the way, we've done the beta

(45:45):
testing.
It's also called war gaming.
So we recently ran the largest scale tabletop
exercise for five years.
By the way, drone operators, you will not
be happy with what this guy is about
to say.
The JCO brought together 30 agencies as well
as the White House, specifically the National and
Homeland Security Councils, over 100 participants.

(46:08):
And the core objective that we pursued was
trying to understand how the JCO could best
enable U.S. Northern Command to protect the
homeland.
And from that, we came up with a
series of five implementation decisions that we had
briefed up through the Vice Chief of Staff
of the Army, General Mingus, who provides our

(46:28):
governance at the joint force level.
And those things consist of recommendations for better
coordination with the FAA for, again, jamming capabilities.
How do we coordinate in terms of sharing
information and intelligence with our partners, optimizing the
National Guard Bureau, as we've talked about, and
then further is shifting the legislation to have

(46:50):
point-of-sale registration for small drones in
the homeland so we can quickly identify friend
from foe.
Invertible license, if you will, for a small
drone.
What he just said.
You'll need a license, a special license for
a small drone.
I'm sure you'll need your real ID to
purchase it, and you're going into Palantir.
And so these things are really, really important

(47:10):
because we have shifted the conversation on policy
that they're going to codify in executive orders,
and indeed representatives are now talking about things
like, how do we define an aircraft?
Right now, the law makes no distinction between
a manned and unmanned aircraft, and soldiers are
held liable for taking down a drone as
if they took down a commercial airliner.
So that's the level that JCO is operating
at.
Dude.

(47:31):
Dude, we are a war manufacturing country.
There's just no two ways about it.
And the more I think about this, and
although I agreed with you on your initial
reaction to initial response on the last episode,
I think the Golden Dome will be significantly
different from the Iron Dome.
The Iron Dome is a dome that keeps

(47:52):
out, you know, long range and, you know,
medium range missiles, nuclear stuff, whatever, from Russia.
And the Golden Dome, that'll be like a
thing that's internal.
I think it's going to be protecting us
from drones and stuff on the inside.
This drone attack on Russia was no mistake.
It was a sales pitch, it was a

(48:15):
capabilities demonstration, a tabletop exercise.
I don't know what you want to call
it, but this was meant to show us
something that asymmetric warfare is here upon us,
and we need money to do it.
I don't know.

(48:35):
The long presentation you just gave us.
I did not.
The presentation was like four minutes of those
clips.
But okay, over to you, Bob.
It's an hour into the show.
What are you talking about?
I've given you plenty.
I was talking about four different topics.
I've kept long pauses for you to jump
in.
Nothing to jump in on.

(48:56):
I didn't find it.
For one thing, the initial topic, which I've
long since forgotten.
Let's play some TikTok videos.
That'll make you feel better.
The first topic, which I've long since forgotten,
I can't remember.
I said that as a cue to remind
me what was the...
Oh yeah, it was...
No, I lost it again.
It was Elon Musk.
Yeah, Elon Musk.
I didn't think that was interesting.

(49:18):
I'll tell you why.
Like you said right at the beginning, your
whole thesis was that the whole thing's a
phony deal.
You are disconnected from the world, my friend.
People are flipping out over this thing.
It is top of the news.
It is what everyone is talking about, particularly
our own people.
You may not find it interesting.
Maybe in Texas.
It's not even brought up in the local

(49:40):
news around here.
Wow.
Okay.
I will say, Fox plays it up.
I don't even watch Fox.
I watched the whole thing this morning, the
whole press conference with Trump, and I kind
of agree that something's phony about it because
Trump does say...
He said the one comment, which he didn't
have a clip of, which is Elon knew

(50:01):
more about the big beautiful bill than anybody
here in the room, he says.
Where's your clip?
I didn't...
I didn't think it was...
Where's my clip?
It's where it belongs.
I didn't find it interesting enough to carry
any clips for it.
I'm all ears for your interesting topics.
But I'm backing your clips up by telling
you some stuff that you didn't get clipped,
which is that which kind of, to back

(50:24):
your point up, your point is that this
thing is fake.
Yes, but no one besides you and I
see that.
Trust me.
And so well, I thought it was so
fake that I didn't even bother with it.
But I will say that Trump said that
Elon knew...
Why did he say that?
I don't know.
And thus it was something just to tell

(50:45):
people that, hey, don't worry about it.
The other thing is, he says, I don't
know if we're going to be friends anymore,
but he said that not in the way
he normally takes on these guys.
When a guy turns on him, he usually
calls him an idiot or something.
He gives him some acronym or gives him
some nasty...
nasty...
nasties him.
He didn't do that at all.
So the second part of my presentation came

(51:06):
from our very own people, which was the
Palantir thing, which you hadn't even heard of.
And that's also...
No, I knew that...
No, I had heard of something because I
got the same note you did about the
guy from Palantir talking about how the whole
thing is exaggerated and a crock of shit.
Thus, I didn't carry any clips for it

(51:27):
because I just took his word for it
because it was very credible.
Hey, all I'm doing is defending my so
-called presentation of you saying it was boring
and no good and I took up all
this time.
I never said it was boring and no
good.
You can't find those words in my comment.
I just thought it was long.

(51:47):
I'm waiting for you to launch into something.
I'm all ears.
The topics are so disparate, considering you kept
it into this.
My stuff is so different that it's hard
to jump in there.
I'll play one lone clip that's got nothing
to do with anything else but I think

(52:08):
it's the most important clip I have which
has nothing to do with any of this
stuff you talked about or anything else we're
going to talk about.
I think this is phenomenal.
This is the Trump versus Columbia wow clip.
The Trump administration is taking action against Columbia
University saying the school violated Title VI of
the Civil Rights Act and therefore no longer

(52:29):
meets the standards of the organization that accredits
the university.
A press release from the Education Department says
that its Office for Civil Rights and the
Department of Health and Human Services Office for
Civil Rights, quote, determined that Columbia University acted
with deliberate indifference towards the harassment of Jewish
students since October 7th, 2023.

(52:50):
The Trump administration said today it has notified
the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, the
school's accreditor.
So what does that mean?
They're going to be discredited as a scholastic
institute?
This is no slouch of an idea.
This has to do with Harvard.
Trump went after Harvard by first going after
their money.

(53:10):
They got sued.
Then they went after Harvard by taking away
all their foreign students.
They got 26% foreign students to pay
full tilt to get into the place.
They're getting sued over that.
Now the real salvo, the one that's the
shot over the bow is accreditation.
This is the biggest possible threat you can

(53:30):
make to a university.
You lose accreditation, you might as well just
close your shop.
Who hands out the accreditations?
There's a couple of groups that do it.
There's one in particular which I think they're
talking to.
I don't know the name of it offhand,
but if you don't have accreditation as a
university, you might as well close the doors.

(53:52):
That means that if I go to Cal
and take English there and I transfer over
to someplace else, it's no good.
Cal's not accredited.
No, you got to start from scratch.
A no agenda PhD will be worth more.
Yes.
This is telling us that the no agenda
PhD is going to be worth as much

(54:13):
as a Columbia degree if they lose their
accreditation.
What does he want from them?
I'm sure he wants something.
I think now that you asked a simple
question, I'm not absolutely sure anymore.
I think they want these endowments.

(54:36):
If it's the endowments, I get it.
I think the idea of taxing is a
good one.
I also think there is the notion that
I've pushed on this show, which is that
all these colleges and universities do is crank
out Democrat voters.
They're just kind of designed to do that
and nothing else.
I think there may be something there.
I don't know, but this is a big

(54:58):
deal.
I'm sure there's meetings going on as we
speak.
People that normally would be listening to the
show, they're meeting about this.
This has got to be freaking everybody out.
It's interesting because I got a note this
morning from the constitutional lawyer.
This may play into it.

(55:21):
The Supreme Court, this is from Law 360,
justices nix higher hurdle for heterosexual bias claims.
Supreme Court nix higher hurdle for heterosexual bias
claims.
I think this plays into it, maybe.

(55:41):
This is about Title VII and it was
a heterosexual woman who claimed that the Ohio
Youth Services Department discriminated against her because she
is not LGBTQ+.
The Sixth Circuit had ruled that heterosexuals must
produce additional evidence demonstrating extra background circumstances in

(56:02):
order to establish this prima facie case.
LGBTQ plus employees did not bear this burden.
So SCOTUS unanimously rejected the Sixth Course rationale,
which means this is not just for sexual
orientation.
This will mean that basically reverse racism is
real and you can't do it.

(56:23):
That's what this decision is saying.
And I think this plays into a lot
of these universities because they are, all they
do is reverse racism, which is racism.
Which is racism, yeah.
The term is bad.
It's a bad term.
But people at least understand it.

(56:43):
A lot of this plays into it.
I don't know.
It's a question that we should try to
figure out because this battle between the Trump
administration and these big Ivy League colleges in
particular.
First of all, the tuition fees are outrageous

(57:04):
because of the basically free government money which
puts everybody into jail, into a debt jail,
debtor's jail, which you can't get out of.
It never used to be that way.
Even with bankruptcy.
When they didn't have the free money, these
tuitions were reasonable.
And they have money through these large tax

(57:25):
-free endowments which are tax-free to use
them and tax-free to donate to them.
Or they create a tax advantage to donate
to them.
Especially if you can use that money for
your own good on the back end.
The endowments for this.
So that would be a pro for the
American people.

(57:45):
And maybe they'll improve their education.
Yeah, well that's pretty amazing.
What are your Harvard clips?
Do I have Harvard clips on here?
Yeah, you got two.
I thought you were leading right into it.
I'm leading right into the Harvard clips but
this is really not that connected.
This is just a follow-up on Trump
versus Harvard which I still think is the
real target here.

(58:05):
Topic that has driven headlines for the last
two months.
Trump versus Harvard University.
The bout began in late March when a
federal anti-Semitism task force said it would
investigate Harvard's administrative and academic policies.
Trump let off his attack with accusations of
the school not doing enough to combat anti
-Semitism on campus, but also for continuing diversity,

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equity, and inclusion, or DEI, policies in its
admissions, curriculum, and hiring.
He also alleged that Harvard is too left
-wing and no longer prioritizes merit in higher
education to the same degree it did in
the past.
Trump followed up the barrage with a list
of demands.
Those included a ban on masks, limits to
campus protests, and a review of any potential

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biases in various academic departments.
The president also froze all federal funding to
the university until his demands are met.
Harvard retaliated in April by saying it would
not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional
rights.
The university has sued the Trump administration to
unfreeze the billions in federal grant money that
it could inevitably lose.

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Harvard has argued that Trump is impeding its
ability to conduct research important for the entire
country, including medical breakthroughs and scientific discoveries.
Trump countered in May by directing the Department
of Homeland Security, or DHS, to shut down
Harvard's foreign student enrollment indefinitely.
DHS alleged Harvard was coordinating with the Chinese

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Communist Party.
What news outlet is this?
Ugh.
No.
It sounds like AI.
Yeah, it does.
It could make it a little more exciting,
at least.
So you see the four...
It's possible, after listening to this Columbia clip,
that Harvard's being set up because Harvard keeps

(59:57):
deflecting...
No, no, no.
You're taking money away from medical research.
They've got plenty of money.
You're taking money, you know, $400 million is
nothing to Harvard.
No, hold on a second.
Sorry.
Yeah, you dropped out.
$400 million is nothing to Harvard?
No, $400 million is nothing to Harvard when

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they have $50 billion sitting in their endowment,
and they can get money from it.
And the money is research for drug companies
that can easily spend that.
I mean, we had a list of the
recently, I think we mentioned on the show,
you know, these...
I think Pfizer, not Pfizer, but all the
big boys, Johnson & Johnson being at the
top of the list, I think they did
$18 billion in profits in one year.

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And all these companies are in the billions
and billions, so the $400 million in research
for something or other that's going to benefit
a drug company can be picked up by
the drug companies.
Why are the taxpayers picking it up?
We're not getting benefited from it.
It's kind of a benefit, but it's the
drug companies that make the money off of
it, so what's the point?
I think they're maybe setting them up because

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they're going to not do anything about the
Jewish issue.
They can pull the plug on their accreditation.
Yeah, that would be the big deal, is
part two.
Most recently, though, the school defended its foreign
enrollment saying, quote, Harvard is not Harvard without
its international students, end quote.
This has played out in court, as Sam
indicated, with a judge this week extending a

(01:01:25):
temporary block on DHS from preventing Harvard's enrollment
of foreign students.
And the government has also given the school
30 days to respond to the Homeland Security
Department's actions.
In terms of answering Trump's demands, Harvard has
established task forces to investigate both anti-Semitic
and anti-Islamic activities, while also suggesting they

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would at least try to diversify political opinion
on campus.
But will NDEI ban masks and submit to
immigration authorities?
Unlikely.
Nonetheless, the federal funds are still frozen.
And Harvard is not happy about that.
Well, just use your tens of billions of
dollars in endowments, Trump says.

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Harvard fired back saying it is relying on
all the interest that comes from those endowments
being invested to fund the university.
As a business mogul, Trump knows that principle,
right?
And that really gets down to the question,
does Trump have the right to do this
with federal funds?
Is it constitutional to punish a school or
its students for their free speech, even if

(01:02:28):
the president doesn't agree with that speech?
Trump's alleging that, basically, taxpayer money is funding
DEI and left-wing thinking at one of
the country's most elite universities.
On the other hand, Harvard is saying it
has a constitutional right and needs the funding
for critical research.
Critical research.
Yeah.

(01:02:50):
Those clips, you're right.
The guy's a boring presenter.
Yes.
If you want, President Trump, the administration has
taken away more money from the medical community,
and it brought out the spokesholes, who are
usually doctors, to say that he's crazy.
Interested?

(01:03:13):
Of course.
Just checking.
In other vaccine news, the Trump administration has
canceled the U.S. government's contract with Moderna
to develop a vaccine for bird flu.
Oh, no.
The recent strain of the avian flu arrived
in the U.S. in 2022, and it's
led to the deaths of over 170 million
birds, resulting in a nationwide spike in egg

(01:03:34):
prices.
Get ready, because Dr. Vin Gupta is going
to tell you why it's nuts.
Not the eggs thing again.
Oh, no.
Eggs, that's just the beginning.
The flu infected more than 1,000 herds
of cattle, as well as 70 people.
Although this strain is not yet highly contagious
for humans, infectious disease experts worry the next

(01:03:55):
pandemic could indeed come from an avian flu.
So, Dr. Gupta, we have seen this administration
slash funding for so much in the way
of research and development, including people thought were
very promising HIV treatments, vaccines there, and now
this avian flu.
Give us your sense on this one, because,
as we just said, there are experts who

(01:04:17):
think the next big, terrible pandemic might come
from exactly this.
Big, terrible pandemic is the, I guess that's
the counterweight to the big, beautiful bill.
We've got to throw something out there.
The next big, terrible pandemic might come from
exactly this.
What's the point here?
Why are they doing this?
Why?
Why are they doing it?
Again, I'm not sure this is even consistent

(01:04:37):
with President Trump's view of wise investments in
biomedical research.
Remember Operation Warp Speed, probably his signature achievement.
Don't you love that?
Having a Moderna contract as a wise investment
in medical research?
Really?
During the COVID pandemic and in his first
term.
I wonder how much he's clued in to

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exactly what's happening here.
I don't think you can scam Trump twice.
I'm sorry?
I don't think you can scam Trump twice.
He was scammed, Operation Warp Speed.
The joke of that, of course, is that
he buys into the whole thing, lets them
go off on their merry way with government
money, and then they hold back until after
the election.

(01:05:20):
So it makes sure Biden gets in.
That's a thank you very much.
I wonder how much he's clued in to
exactly what's happening here, even from his prior
precedents.
This doesn't really make any sense.
For all your viewers out there to keep
in mind, what's happening is there's a promising

(01:05:42):
phase one, phase two, early stage vaccine candidate
for avian flu.
Bird flu, that is changing exactly as you
point out, Jonathan, right before our eyes.
It went from birds to cattle to mountain
lions.
Mountain lions?
lions.
Humans are next.
What happened to the bats and the pangolins?

(01:06:03):
Changing exactly as you point out, Jonathan.
Right before our eyes.
lions.
I mean, this thing is changing at a
speed we haven't seen before.
We're worried that the next pandemic is not
a matter of if, but when.
And it's likely going to be flu that's
changing.
Flu that's changing.

(01:06:23):
I'm telling you.
By the way, President Trump is truthing.
He's truthing.
As we speak.
Here, two truths.
The easiest way to save money in our
budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to
terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts.
I was always surprised that Biden didn't do

(01:06:44):
it.
Elon was wearing thin.
I asked him to leave.
I took away his EV mandate that forced
everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else
wanted.
He knew that for months.
And he knew I was going to do
it.
And he just went crazy.
Come on.
Oh.

(01:07:05):
Well, back to the bird flu.
So I have to bring back this is
a reminiscence, but this is by, I have
a bunch of clips from Thomas Massey.
He was on.
He's mad.
He was on this guy's show, this Brit,
I got WMS, it's I can't remember what

(01:07:26):
it stands for.
WMS?
Yeah, well, that's the guy.
It's William or Bill or something.
I had to go look him up.
It's on a piece of notepad.
But this guy's got a podcast.
We're supposed to do more podcasting stuff and
we're doing it.
And Massey has a story about the COVID
vaccine, which I don't know if we've heard

(01:07:48):
in these words so much, because he did
an investigation.
He had a committee on it about how
it got its authorizations and all the rest
of it.
And I think it's good to follow that
bird flu clip with this.
If the tariffs increase the prices, they're going
to be annoyed by that.

(01:08:09):
But I think the ideas behind tariffs, which
even Trump would probably agree with, it's not
going to be an easy start, but eventually
they want to get to a place where
people have more money because the industries are
back in America.
But what if we're not good at making
socks?
What clip are you playing?
Massey on WMS. It says WMS Massey and

(01:08:30):
it says on socks.
I mean, I don't know what you're doing.
You don't have Massey COVID?
I was looking at WMS. That was the
clue you gave me.
It says WMS on that clip too.
WMS at the end of my clip.
I got it.
You must know this.
At the end of the clip, I put

(01:08:51):
a code that tells me where the clip
came from.
Like BBC or NTD.
I'll tell you exactly how this happened.
You have two clips, Massey on committees.
Massey is all uppercase, which to me means
important.
No, that's never been true.

(01:09:14):
Underneath that, so when my eye goes down
the list.
I understand how it happens.
It's a long list.
These clips lists are long and people don't
understand what a mess this, you know, the
back end of the show is.
I'm surprised you spelled Massey right.
Let me play the right clip.
Wait, before you do that.

(01:09:35):
Well, this socks clip is interesting, but it's
got nothing to do with COVID.
I see.
It's literally it's my parsing of the list.
It is all on me.
That's on me, bro.
My bad.
Here we go.
Okay, here we go with you bad.
And this is the discussion.

(01:09:55):
This is I don't know.
After you play this clip, tell me if
we knew this.
Okay.
Well, something good happened this week, actually.
And I think it's because of RFK Jr.
being head of the Health and Human Services.
Under the Biden administration, the scientists, the vaccine

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scientists at the FDA were pressured to skip
steps, ignore data, skip the step where a
review panel, outside review panel reviews their authorization.
Emergency authorization.
This was for the so they needed to
go from emergency use to a full licensure

(01:10:36):
in order to mandate the vaccine.
And so the scientists were told that they
needed to take the political position and to
accelerate the full approval process, not just the
EUA.
And the scientists were also told, you need
to do an EUA for the boosters.
And the scientists pressed back and said, we

(01:10:56):
need more time to give it the full
licensure, and we don't think everybody needs a
booster.
That was the top vaccine scientist, Marion Gruber
at FDA, and her deputy, Philip Krause.
They were forced out of the FDA under
the Biden administration and left mysteriously under a

(01:11:16):
cloud, didn't say a lot.
I brought them in.
I was chairman of a subcommittee on regulatory
reform.
I brought them in, each for five hours,
deposed them, found out that their boss, Peter
Marks, was the bad guy, because after he
pushed them out, he took their job responsibilities
himself and approved the vaccine.
He wasn't even a vaccine scientist.

(01:11:38):
He was like their manager.
Instead of replacing them, he took their job
and just got it done.
He left the FDA this week.
By the way, after deposing them, I held
a hearing and called one of them as
a witness and some other people as witnesses
and exposed what had happened.
I was frustrated that this man, Peter Marks,

(01:11:59):
was still at the FDA, but now he's
gone this week.
Was it the FDA or the CDC?
I thought it was maybe it was FDA.
Did we know that story?
Not like that.
I do recall Peter Marks all of a
sudden moving to the forefront, but no.

(01:12:21):
Man, there's so much that happened back then.
It's all scam-ish.
Oh, what?
Well...
And it's still going on with this bird
flu nonsense and with the clip you just
played.
I mean, if that doesn't sound like another
setup for just wasting taxpayers' money and then
suckering people into getting a shot that they

(01:12:43):
don't need, I don't know what is.
Why has there been nothing done?
There's a big backlash going on about the
fact that Kennedy has not pulled the COVID
mRNA shots off the market.
Yes, here is Jen Psaki.
So it turns out running a vast science

(01:13:03):
-based healthcare bureaucracy is a lot harder than
being an eccentric nepo-baby who feeds conspiracy
theories to get attention.
Eccentric nepo-baby.
I thought that was pretty good.
She's done too, by the way.
Her ratings are off of...
She took over Rachel's slot and her numbers

(01:13:25):
are down 47%.
They're going to get rid of her.
Well, they've rolled out their new lineup, actually.
The new lineup.
And she's already been reduced to four days
a week.
Here is the promo for The Briefing.
MSNBC's Jen Psaki, host of The Briefing.
We've never experienced a moment like this in

(01:13:46):
our country.
And it leaves us all with a choice.
Are we going to speak out, or are
we going to be pressured into silence?
I've worked for presidents.
I've faced the tough questions from the press
and even threats from the Kremlin.
And if there's one thing I've learned, it's
that you can't cower to bullies.
We don't need to be hopeless.
We have our voices.
And I will continue using mine.
The Briefing with Jen Psaki.

(01:14:06):
Tuesday through Friday at 9 p.m. Eastern
on MSNBC.
They're promoting her.
They're trying to get her some viewership.
She's toast.
Yeah.
So they are continuing with the COVID fear
-mongering.
We have a summer spike.
This comes...
We have a summer spike.
It's that beta thing.

(01:14:27):
A new COVID variant has health experts paying
close attention.
The NB181 is spreading quickly in other parts
of the world.
It has been tracked in several states, including
Virginia.
The state epidemiologist is not sounding the alarm.
We've built up a lot of immunity to
COVID.
Although there's no reason to believe this variant
will lead to more severe illness than previous

(01:14:48):
variants, she says it will likely cause an
increase in summer cases.
She recommends getting vaccinated, especially if you are
in a more vulnerable group.
I think what I think about with any
vaccine, but particularly a COVID vaccine, or including
a COVID vaccine, I should say, is that
we want those people who are most vulnerable
to more severe complications, hospitalization, even death, that

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they are the ones that are protected.
And that includes the elderly and people with
pre-existing conditions.
U.S. Health Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. just removed the COVID vaccine CDC
recommendations for healthy pregnant women and healthy children,
prompting the CDC doctor who oversees recommendations to
resign.
Oh, well, that's good.

(01:15:35):
Rats are leaving the ship.
What?
Who?
They weren't resigning?
Some CDC director resigned.
Let me see.
Director resigns.
This is...
Here we go.
Reuters.
Oh, well.
Pediatric infectious disease expert Dr. Lakshmi.

(01:15:56):
Do we even hear of Lakshmi?
Well, now we have.
Well, he resigned of a CDC working group
that advises outside experts.
So that report was somewhat specious, as you
would say.
Maybe a good time to remind people that
if you hear the following type of language

(01:16:20):
in your mainstream media, your M5M, that means
that they've finally gotten there.
This is a little throwback or callback to
where we were.
We want to make sure that people can
discern the truth from the misinformation.
And we want to make sure that everyone
understands that no one's safe until everyone's safe.
No one is safe.
No one is safe.

(01:16:45):
Nobody's safe.
No one is safe from COVID-19 until
everyone is safe.
If the whole world isn't safe, none of
us are safe.
Nobody is safe.
Until we're all safe.
Health experts have been saying nobody is safe.
Nobody is safe until everybody is safe.
What a psyop when you think about it.

(01:17:07):
The whole idea that everyone has to be
vaccinated because an unvaccinated person can hurt a
vaccinated person.
It was so unbelievable.
I remember us just at the time going
like, what is this logic?
If this thing is safe and effective, then
it doesn't matter if someone's unvaccinated next to
you.
But no, nobody's safe until everybody's safe.
Science is clear.

(01:17:27):
There is no safety.
No one is safe until everyone is safe.
Nobody is safe.
Nobody's safe.
Until we're all safe.
We are never going to be safe.
99.5% of people are safe and
will survive COVID-19.
The only positive thing out of this is

(01:17:48):
we should be able to manufacture a lot
of vaccines and nobody will be safe if
not everybody is vaccinated.
You don't have a choice.
As long as not everybody is vaccinated, nobody
will be safe.
Normalcy only returns when we want it.
I can't go through the whole thing.
It's triggering.
Sounds like it goes on for days.
Oh, it goes on another minute and a

(01:18:09):
half.
I don't think we need to hear it.
It's in the show notes.
Everyone can listen to it at their own
leisure.
And then one of the things that we
got excoriated for was pregnant women and menstrual
cycles and all of this stuff.
And this OBGYN, Dr. James Thorpe, I think

(01:18:29):
this was one of those Ron Johnson small
room in the Capitol to the fake hearing.
I'm going to go testify before Congress.
Wait, what room is this?
It's in the gym at the Washington High
School.
Here he is.
This deception was institutionalized in the now infamous

(01:18:50):
Shimabukuro study published on April 21, 2021 in
the digital version of the New England Journal
of Medicine.
21 authors claim the miscarriage rate was 12
.6%, but the raw data revealed an 82
% miscarriage rate.
Remember that when people were like, you don't
understand the numbers.
You're not seeing it right.
It's not 80, it's 12%.

(01:19:11):
It was 12.6%, but the raw data
revealed an 82% miscarriage rate in women
vaccinated during the first trimester.
This figure mirrors the effects of chemical abortion
drugs such as RU486.
Also, in the same journal edition on the

(01:19:32):
same day, an op-ed appeared by CDC
Director Rochelle Walensky and Journal Editor-in-Chief
Eric Rubin.
These publications were riddled with conflicts of interest
and deliberate misrepresentations intended to coerce pregnant women
into taking vaccines.
Subsequent studies have also claimed that COVID-19

(01:19:54):
vaccines are safe and effective during pregnancy and
have been rebuked by respected researchers.
These publications are fundamentally compromised by serious conflicts
of interest ranging from biased funding sources and
institutional mandates and even threats to their medical
licenses and board certifications.

(01:20:14):
Between 2020 and 2022, pharmaceutical companies paid $1
.06 billion to reviewers at leading medical journals,
the New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA, Lancet,
and BMJ, thus corrupting the peer review process.
At least six existing studies, three from CDC,

(01:20:35):
FDA, and two from Pfizer, revealed major breaches
in safety signals for COVID-19 vaccines in
pregnancy.
Well, well, well.
We just played a clip in the last
show from one of the networks pushing the
COVID vaccine on pregnant women.
Oh, well, if you want to hear NPR,

(01:20:56):
I'm happy to play it for you.
This is new.
The Trump administration is making it more difficult
for healthy children and healthy pregnant women to
get the COVID vaccine and that is worrying.
How is it more difficult?
How is he making it more difficult?
You walk in and you say, I want
the shot.
They make it sound like it has to

(01:21:16):
go to a back alley.
It's coat hanger time once again.
No, no, not at all.
The pregnant women to get the COVID vaccine
and that is worrying parents, younger adults, and
pregnant women who still want the shot.
NPR health correspondent Rob Stein They want the
shot.
They want the shot.
Yes.
Lauren Capetti was relaxing with her husband at

(01:21:37):
their home in Cincinnati when she heard about
the new recommendations for who should get a
COVID vaccine.
I would sit on my couch watching the
news.
I was just like, what is happening?
I started crying.
I was like, they're not recommending it for
pregnant women anymore.
I was crying because I wanted so bad.
I was crying.

(01:21:57):
This is a bogus report.
What's happening?
Am I not going to be able to
get this vaccine?
I'm not going to be able to get
this vaccine.
No one said that.
Why?
That's absolutely terrifying.
It's absolutely terrifying, John.
The whole premise is bogus.

(01:22:18):
The whole premise is false and where did
they get that from?
Probably from NPR.
Why?
Why?
That's absolutely terrifying.
Terrifying because the 30-year-old Ohio State
worker is about five months pregnant, but the
CDC is no longer recommending the shots for
healthy pregnant women.
I don't want to get COVID while I'm

(01:22:38):
pregnant.
I don't want it to hurt my child.
I don't want to have a premature birth.
I just know that there's complications that come
along with it, so that does scare me.
She also knows that the only way to
protect her newborn baby is by getting vaccinated
herself.
Not only does it protect me while I'm
pregnant, but it does help the child once
they're born in their first few months of

(01:23:00):
life when they have zero immunity to it
whatsoever.
That's important to me.
I want my child to have access to
that.
This NPR program is brought to you by
Pfizer and people like you.
Isn't that incredible?
With all the little inserts.
Oh yeah, she doesn't want something to happen
to her baby.

(01:23:21):
I like the fact that she's in tears.
There's more.
And Rachel Sampler-Zelaya is worried too.
She's 42 and lives in College Grove, Minnesota.
This guy has a...
He has lost evidence that he had brain
tumors.
Her six-year-old daughter has asthma.
So she wants to keep getting herself, her
husband, and their two other healthy kids vaccinated

(01:23:43):
to protect her too.
But the new policies could make it harder
for the rest of the family.
This is exactly...
This is propaganda, indoctrination, untruth, coming from the
national public radio.
It's not harder to get it.
In fact, we learned that insurance companies still

(01:24:05):
cover it, will continue to cover it.
So it's just not true.
I'm angry, angry, frustrated.
And she's not just angry and frustrated because
she's worried about protecting her daughter.
She wants to shield the whole family.
It's not just a cold.
It affects the vascular system, the neurological system,

(01:24:26):
the immune system.
Oh, you mean the shot or the COVID
itself?
I'm confused.
And even mild cases have the potential to
develop into long COVID.
You know, the brain fog, the memory, the
fatigue.
We vaccinate for far less and this is
definitely a disease to me that needs to
be vaccinated for.

(01:24:47):
She says suddenly having to worry about the
vaccines again feels like a flashback to the
early days of the pandemic.
It feels like we are going back in
time again to that same place where there's
not a whole lot that I can do
to protect my kids.
So they're recalling trauma of the listener by
recalling the trauma of this poor woman who

(01:25:09):
has clearly been traumatized and is being abused
for this piece.
Federal officials say the changes make sense because
so many people have so much immunity now.
They also question the safety of the vaccines,
even though billions of people have gotten the
shots.
Many experts say that demonstrates the vaccines are
very safe and effective for everyone.

(01:25:29):
Wow.
Billions of people got it.
Not everybody died.
Safe and effective.
Competti, Hoskinson's, Zolano, they will probably still be
able to get the shots by paying for
them for themselves.
But all the uncertainty and changing rules makes
them anxious.
Here's Competti again, the pregnant woman from Ohio.
Yeah, I'm just worried that if we're losing

(01:25:52):
access to COVID vaccines and I don't know
if other things are going to get taken
away.
Yeah, I'm just scared.
I'm just scared.
I don't know.
I don't know what's happening.
This is a salvo.
This is a salvo clip.
This is one of those clips where they
use bull crap like we're afraid about access.

(01:26:14):
Yeah.
This is to keep them from banning the
vaccine completely.
Yes.
So, okay, the vaccine is going to be
around and Kennedy's promised he's not going to
mess with vaccines and sure and he wants
to get rid of them.
No, no, no, no.
They're not going to happen.
Well, I mean, we're stronger than you Kennedy.

(01:26:35):
This is big pharma.
They're also doing well, if you want to
hear the attack from the fluoride industry because
this is the same report everywhere in the
country.
A recent study published in JAMA Health Forum
shows that if all 50 states stopped adding
fluoride to tap water, about one in three
kids could expect a cavity within the next

(01:26:56):
five years.
We'll be like England.
Everyone will have rotten teeth in America.
No.
So how important is fluoride in our overall
dental health?
Our sources to answer this, the American Dental
Association family physician, Dr. Carla Robinson and cardiologist
Dr. Pyle Coley.
Cardiologist?

(01:27:17):
Cardiologist?
The FDA's new plan is to phase out
fluoride supplements you eat or drink not products
like toothpaste or mouth rinses.
Both doctors highlight the role it can play
in our daily care.
You know, fluoride is really important to protect
our teeth because it does sort of two
things.
It prevents demineralization of our teeth and it

(01:27:37):
also helps with remineralization of our teeth.
It helps with demineralization of our teeth, but
also with remineralization of our teeth.
John, you studied chemistry.
What's going on here?
I have no idea.
Prevents demineralization of our teeth.
There's a little gotcha in here that I'm
sure you'll catch it.

(01:27:58):
And it also helps with remineralization of our
teeth.
We all utilize fluoride, either whether it's in
our toothpaste or in our drinking water or
for some who it's not available in their
drinking water, maybe supplements.
The American Dental Association says that if you're
living somewhere that doesn't have fluoride in the

(01:28:20):
drinking water, you probably need a fluoride supplement.
But when it comes to children, what amount
of fluoride is considered safe?
Robinson mentions that while it can be dangerous
in large amounts, it can cause problems with
the teeth, ironically, when used in higher amounts
than recommended, or it can also cause problems

(01:28:40):
with the bones.
The amount of fluoride that we're typically exposed
to in our drinking water or in our
toothpaste is so far beyond that, so beneath
that level.
And so in general, fluoride in regular...
What?
Did she just, did the truth just come
out there?
The fluoride in our water is so far
beyond, I mean below, what?

(01:29:03):
Recommended, or it can also cause problems with
the bones.
The amount of fluoride that we're typically exposed
to in our drinking water or in our
toothpaste is so far beyond that, so beneath
that level.
And so in general, fluoride in regular...
It's a usage issue.
It's, yeah, I know what you're saying, but

(01:29:24):
I think the way she put it is,
I think is legal.
But she corrected it.
Then why did she correct it?
Well, there's a point to be made with
that.
The bones, the amount of fluoride that we're
typically exposed to in our...
The bones, by the way, for anyone who
wants to know, so one of the nasty,
nasty chemicals is hydrofluoric acid.
You know, there's sulfuric acid, there's hydrochloric acid,

(01:29:48):
there's nitric acid, which nitric acid's pretty nasty,
too, if you're dealing with it in the
lab.
You get one small speck of it on
you and it turns your skin yellow and
kind of burns you.
Hydrofluoric acid's a little different.
Hydrofluoric acid, if you get it on you,
it goes right through your skin, it just
goes right to the bone and starts eating

(01:30:09):
your bone.
It starts dissolving your bone right from the
outset.
Very nasty product.
Don't be around it.
Isn't that what those Russian hitmen use to
get rid of the body?
No.
In the bathtub?
They use lime.
I think everyone uses lime.
Lime or lye?
It's impractical to use hydrofluoric acid.

(01:30:31):
The only business that uses it is the
semiconductor industry.
It uses the clean chip, I think, as
wafers and things need to be cleaned with
it so it'll clean them properly.
It's a real problem.
It's a waste issue.
Is that why they put it in the
water?
To get rid of it?
Well, most of the fluoride in water comes

(01:30:56):
from the waste from aluminum manufacturing.
It's a waste product and it's hard to
get rid of.
For some of the reasons I just mentioned,
it's a nasty thing.
If you get a drop of hydrofluoric acid
on you, it just starts eating your bones.
Put it in the water.
Let's drink it.
Drinking water or in our toothpaste is so

(01:31:17):
far beyond that level.
In general, fluoride in regular, normal applications is
very safe to use and doesn't really put
you at risk for those complications.
I think this is such a big win
because we've been talking about fluoride in the
water since the day this show started.

(01:31:39):
It was probably second half of show.
These nuts are talking about fluoride in the
water again.
It's crazy.
What are they thinking?
What are they doing?
I think so.
I don't think it was second half of
show.
I think it was first half of show.
Okay.
All right.

(01:31:59):
It wasn't.
Second half of show was all flying saucer
stuff.
Which is a lot of people miss.
Myself included.
Because it's bull crap.
All of it's bull crap.
All of a sudden, you've changed from meeting.
You meant you're going to meet some guy.
Remember this.
This is like in the third year of
the show.
Yes, I can say that.
You're going to meet an alien.

(01:32:20):
He's going to be meeting you somewhere in
the Midwest or someplace.
You went to meet him.
It didn't show up.
It was in the north of Holland.
You're going to meet some guy who's an
alien.
He just came off a ship.
He's going to talk to you and tell
you the truth.
Tell you what was going on.
He never showed up.
Exactly.
Now do you understand why I'm saying it's
all bull crap?

(01:32:40):
All of it.
Zero point energy.
I've wasted so many years of my life
on this.
Zero point is my favorite.
I've wasted so many years of my life
on this.
Perpetual motion.
The other favorite one of you...
I'm not here to ridicule you.
No, okay.
But...
There's always a big but.

(01:33:04):
You had a Rolls Royce or something in
your heyday.
You were going to put water...
He's going to use water for fuel.
No, no, no.
That was the Jaguar.
The hydro booster.
Yeah, you had water in there and you
went on and on about how much great
your gas mileage was.
It was true.

(01:33:25):
And again, I drove from the UK to
the Netherlands, to the east of the Netherlands
to have a hydro booster installed and it
did.
I did get better gas mileage by putting...
What is it?
Water in the gas.
No, it was hydrolysis and it created boom.

(01:33:47):
What is that stuff?
What do you get from it?
Boom.
What is that stuff?
Hydro stuff.
Boom.
That stuff.
Yeah.
Hydrazine.
No, not hydrazine.
No, it was the...
Come on.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
When you put electricity into water, you get

(01:34:09):
hydrolysis.
Electrolysis.
Electrolysis.
And what comes out of it is...
Hydrazine.
Exactly.
And I was putting that straight into the
carburetor.
The car went fast and it saved gas.
It's true.
Do you ever wonder what happened to cars
you had?

(01:34:29):
I have no idea what happened to that
car.
I only know...
The Rolls Royce know what happened to the
Rolls Royce.
I don't know any of my cars.
I have no idea where they went.
Did I sell them?
Did I get rid of them?
Did I drop them by the side of
the road?
Well, I can tell you the Rolls Royces
accounted for.
We had a person when I lived at

(01:34:51):
another house in the same town here.
There was an old lady living on the
corner and she was kind of a crazy
old lady.
The house was located next to the railroad
tracks.
It used to be a bootleggers place in
the 30s.
And the trains would stop right in front
of this house and offload a bunch of

(01:35:11):
liquor and this house would look like a
warehouse anyway.
It was pretty much an empty house but
it had a lot of...
It was just a weird situation.
The place was eventually torn down.
That was the end of it.
But in the garage right there at that
house was a 1920s, 1930s Rolls Royce.
They never took out.
I got to see it once.
Mint condition.
I'd peer in to see it.

(01:35:33):
I talked to some Rolls Royce guys and
there was a Rolls Royce guy somewhere along
the lines because there was a thing going
on in Berkeley area called Morehouse, which was
a cult.
And everybody in the cult had to have
a Rolls Royce.
It was a part of the cult.
And they drive around these Rolls Royces.
There were a bunch of them in Berkeley
because there was a bunch of cultists here.

(01:35:54):
And so I ran into some Rolls Royce
expert and he was part of some club.
He says, oh yeah, every Rolls Royce in
the world is accounted for and he knew
the car in that garage.
Yes, every Rolls Royce.
So your car is accounted for by the
Rolls Royce folk.
I know where it went.
That one I know.
But my first car, Volkswagen Beetle 1303, I

(01:36:18):
don't remember.
You don't remember?
Why would you?
The Volvo 142, I don't remember.
You had a Volvo 142, the funky looking
one?
That was my mom's car, which I inherited.
No, it was the big box, but it
had the lawnmower engine in it.
Oh, it was the boxy Volvo?
The huge boxy Volvo.
And then I had the Volkswagen 1303 and,

(01:36:43):
gosh, I don't remember.
I think I had a Mitsubishi after that.
I had a Mitsubishi Turbo.
It had a big turbo sign on the
back, which was really gay, really.
It was like, it was wrong.
It was so wrong.
And I mean gay in the old school
sense of the word.
Yeah.
Well, we don't take care, actually, on this
show.
No.

(01:37:04):
Gosh, but I don't remember.
I mean, you had a lot of cars.
Oh, I had a Buick Skylark with an
eight track in it with the T-top
roof.
That was my favorite car.
It had eight cylinders, but usually if you
were idling, only six of them worked.
That was one of my favorites.

(01:37:24):
There was an engine General Motors had for
a while that when you were driving it,
it would go to four.
It has an eight, but it would use
four cylinders.
Yeah, that was a thing for a while.
It was probably in the 70s for a
while.
Yeah.
Well, it's all because of global cooling.
Yes.
Alright, enough reminiscence.
Right.
Well, people love our stories, John.

(01:37:45):
They come for the deconstruction.
They stay for the stories about hydroxy boosters
and aliens.
Come on, man.
We just gave everybody everything they want.
So back to Massey, I have some more
clips from him if you want to hear.
Yeah, of course I do.
Thomas Massey, the guy you mentioned earlier in
the show as a sellout or an anti
-Trumper.

(01:38:06):
He's got his reasons.
He's principled is what he is.
He's principled.
And I think he's right.
I think he's right.
It's explained in these clips, but at the
same time, there is a he does have
a flaw in his thinking.
I'm sorry.
People are just saying our new exit strategy
is car talk.

(01:38:26):
That's it, baby.
We're reviving the show.
We'll be on NPR stations everywhere soon.
So he does have a, I think this
was a mistake.
This is Massey.
This is the Massach's clip that you tried
to play earlier.
He actually implies that Americans are dumb and
then he figures out that he said that

(01:38:46):
and he corrects himself.
Listen to this.
If the tariffs increase the prices, they're going
to be annoyed by that.
But I think the ideas behind tariffs, which
even Trump would probably agree with, it's not
going to be an easy start, but eventually
they want to get to a place where
people have more money because the industries are
back in America.
But what if we're not good at making
socks?

(01:39:06):
What if we're better at growing potatoes in
this country than we are at making socks?
Should, you know, when you go to Walmart,
should you be, through tariffs, induced to buy
socks that weren't made as well or as
ones made in China or were made more
costly versus being able to go in and

(01:39:29):
buy your potatoes that were made in America
because more of our effort was put toward
things we're good at or things that we
can maybe we're good at everything.
I don't want to discourage any industry.
Yes, exactly.
Who are you Thomas Massey?
We're great at making socks.
We made Goldtooth socks forever here in this

(01:39:50):
country.
And then they shipped them off to Mexico.
They're all made in Mexico now.
They're not as good.
Our socks were so good that it was
the number one Christmas gift from your grandma.
We gave each other socks because our socks
were great.
How hard is it to make good socks?
I find that disappointing.
He talked himself into a bunch.

(01:40:11):
You know what?
That's because of the Brit.
All of a sudden he thinks he's...
I had a...
where was this?
I had a...
Okay, there's another anonymous boots on the ground.
I was at a training with a federal
agency during part of the class we watched
a short video of Robert Cialdini's principles of

(01:40:31):
persuasion.
In addition to the principles, the instructor pointed
out a subtle principle the video used.
The narrator had a British accent.
The instructor stated that Americans tend to find
British accents pleasing to hear and we think
that people who speak with a British accent
are smart.
Therefore, we tend to put more stock or
socks in what they are saying.

(01:40:53):
Fact.
So Massey was probably sitting there thinking, I'm
here with an intelligent guy.
We don't know how to make socks.
This is WMS William Marshall.
I'm sorry, Winston.
Winston.
Winston Marshall.
Winston, wow.
Okay.
That's the Winston Marshall podcast.

(01:41:13):
So now this is the thing.
We've talked about this on the show before,
but I want to remind everybody people seem
to forget it, that if you're on a
hot committee, one of the better committees in
Congress, you have to pay, you have to
pay dues.
Like a million bucks at least.
It can be a million bucks at the
ways and means.
That's the top committee according to Massey.

(01:41:35):
Here's the stories on this.
By the way, Massey doesn't, he gets charged.
He's on some committee.
He's not on the A committee, like he
puts A, B, and C committee.
And he says, and you look at who's
on the C committee as you can see
who's probably more honest.
You never heard of any of them.
He got a bill.
He talks about getting the bill.

(01:41:56):
He doesn't say it in this clip, but
he never, he refused to pay.
He never paid his committee fees?
Nope.
Oh, okay.
Here we go.
That people don't fully appreciate.
I didn't know it existed until I got
here.
When I got here, a lobbyist wanted to

(01:42:18):
have a meeting with me, and I took
the meeting, and my fundraiser was there.
This is a woman who helps me raise
money.
She said, you should take this meeting.
And I had no idea what the meeting
was about.
And they said, they opened the meeting and
said, you're a talented individual.
You're a smart guy.
You went to MIT.
You shouldn't be wasting your time on these

(01:42:39):
committees you're on.
You need to get on the Ways and
Means Committee, and my friends and I will
raise you the money that's required to get
you on the Ways and Means Committee, which,
by the way, is like half a million
or a million dollars.
What's the Ways and Means Committee?
It's the tax committee.
See, it's considered probably the most powerful committee,

(01:43:02):
because we don't have a flat tax.
We don't have a flat tariff.
It's because we have all these variations and
deductions and exemptions.
And everybody's here trying to get one of
those.
And if you're on that committee, you know,
I'm, for instance, on the Transportation Committee.
So you can imagine the concrete lobbyists would
be interested, right?
Or the airplane manufacturers might be interested.

(01:43:23):
But guess who's interested in the tax committee?
Everybody.
It's not like a subset of America that's
interested in that committee.
Everybody's interested in that committee.
And so all the lobbyists are prone to
donating to people on that committee.
So if you hold one of those committee
seats, you're supposed to collect the money from
those lobbyists that are interested in the subjects

(01:43:44):
that come in front of your committee and
give it to the party.
And there's a dues system here.
When I first got here and they went
to the trouble of sending me the bill,
it was $300,000 every election cycle I
was supposed to give the party for the
privilege of serving on these committees.

(01:44:05):
Right.
Well, we knew this.
It was fun to hear him say it.
Yeah.
No, we knew this.
Not everybody that listens to this show heard
it before.
I just wanted to remind them that this
is a scam.
Well, he didn't pay for it.
I think that's what's interesting.
No, he said, no, I'm not paying it.
He never paid.
But they won't put him on a higher

(01:44:26):
-end committee.
They keep him on the Transportation Committee.
Right.
In one of the clips, he talks about
Foreign Affairs is the lowest of the lowest,
the low committee.
If people look up who's on Foreign Affairs
Committee, you'll see there's a bunch of guys
that probably don't pay anything either, including Nancy
Mace, who's on that one.
Oh, really?
Here's the second half of this clip.

(01:44:47):
It was $300,000 every election cycle I
was supposed to give the party for the
privilege of serving on these committees.
And they say it's legal because the committees
aren't in the Constitution.
So they believe it's something that they can
extract rent from.
And because this is all happening within Congress,

(01:45:08):
Congress isn't going to make a law to
stop it.
So they charge you rent for the committees
you're on.
And if you want to be on a
really lucrative committee, you have to pay higher
rent.
You don't go back home.
I'm from Kentucky.
I can't go back home and sit in
somebody's living room and do a fundraiser with
20 people who like being represented by me,

(01:45:31):
like what I stand for, and tell them,
well, I'm going to need you all to
get out your wallets and write me a
$5,000 check because this ain't free.
It's not cheap to be on the Ways
and Means Committee.
You're going to have to donate money to
me just so I can be on a
committee.
I think Americans would revolt.
The kind that you do a fundraising in

(01:45:51):
their living room with, they would reject that
out of hand.
But you can do that with lobbyists.
The lobbyists know that's the game that's played.
And so if the lobbyists like what you're
doing for them on that committee, they're inclined
to help pay your dues.
And there's no way you're going to raise

(01:46:11):
half a million dollars back home in living
rooms to pay your rent on the Ways
You have to get it from the lobbyists
who have interests in front of the Ways
But by the time you've done that, now
you feel obligated to those people.
Yeah.
Yes, that is the system.

(01:46:34):
Yeah, it goes on with more details, but
it's all unnecessary.
People need to know this is going on.
What's what?
So the Dutch government collapsed.
Yes, yes.
Mimi, I was talking to her about it.
She says, oh my god, how did this
happen?
This is unbelievable.

(01:46:55):
What's going to happen?
What's going to happen?
This happens.
So when I heard this...
The guy quit, I think.
Didn't he just walk out?
No, and this report will not explain it,
but there's a little thing in here.
So Geert Wilders is what, if you remember,

(01:47:16):
the far-right Trump of the Netherlands.
He's the guy that's been under constant protection
for the past 15 years because of his
anti...
his Islamophobia!
Because he's like, we gotta stop.
We're a small country.
We can't have all these Islamists coming in
and forming ghettos and, you know, all of

(01:47:37):
Europe is under severe strain due to immigrants,
newcomers, asylum seekers, and one of the big...
and so he stood for election with his
PVV, the Freedom Party, and did extremely well.
He still needs to create a coalition, so
he got the Farmers Party and a couple

(01:47:59):
others in there.
It was very difficult to form the coalition,
so you have the majority in Parliament.
But one of the big things was, we're
going to stop the asylum seekers and immigration.
It's a very small country.
And besides, it's just wrong.
We're going to stop this.

(01:48:19):
And so one of the big promises was
there would be no more of these asylum
centers in all these small places that no
one's ever heard of on the outskirts of
the country, near the border.
And, of course, it just started to happen
anyway.
And so, you recall that it was strange

(01:48:39):
that he was the head of the party,
he was leading the party, but then they
brought in this former intelligence guy to be
the prime minister.
Spook, a literal spook, who was a spook
during COVID.
The guy was like, why is this guy
being chosen to be prime minister?
Because you don't vote for the person, you

(01:49:01):
vote for the party.
But, of course, everyone voted for Geert Wilders,
and he said, no, I'm not going to
be prime minister.
Now I think this was a long, long
game, and it's brilliant, because the one thing
every person in Western Europe, I mean, would
you say arguably, President Trump won on immigration?
Would you say that that was pretty much

(01:49:22):
the thing?
Yes, absolutely.
So, immigration, that's the thing.
Everybody just wants it to stop, particularly in
Europe, but we had it here, like, no,
we just want it to stop.
Which is funny, because people are like, whoa,
they're going to deport the moms!
Okay, we wanted it to stop, we voted
for it, we're actually getting what we voted
for.
Surprise, surprise.
So, this was about immigration.

(01:49:44):
And the discussion on the table in the
parliament was about immigration, and they couldn't get
it through.
His own coalition didn't have enough votes, so
he said, that's it.
We're done.
We're not going to be a part of
the coalition.
And then the prime minister, rage quit.
I'm out too!
Rage quit.

(01:50:05):
No one even, this guy was, I mean,
he might as well have been invisible.
He spoke a little bit, but he was
a spoke, he was a figurehead.
And now I understand why.
I think it's brilliant, because now we'll have
elections again, I think September, October, and this
is going to be the issue, and Geert
Wilders will be the guy who put his

(01:50:27):
career on the line for it, and I
think he will be elected with an overwhelming
majority.
Here's the report.
Hold on.
What?
That's a gamble, isn't it?
He's been gambling with his life for 25
years.
Now, he's, again, he's under constant surveillance because,

(01:50:48):
you know, he's pretty much like, oh, here's
a cartoon of Mohammed.
You know, that's...
He's pretty much made it very clear where
he stands on this, and if you ask
anyone in Holland, like, oh, Geert Wilders.
Geert isn't doing his job.
Who's this guy?
And I think he forced this whole issue.
The cabinet only formed it, like, six months

(01:51:11):
ago.
They couldn't form the cabinet for nine months.
It was a long, long time.
So I think he really pushed this episode
so that they can have new elections and
everyone's going to be like, this is the
only guy.
Immigration is it.
We want him.
He made the announcements online this Tuesday with
a message posted on X.

(01:51:32):
No signature for our asylum plans, no amendment
to the coalition deal.
The PVV is leaving the coalition.
Geert Wilders' departure due to disagreements on immigration
has caused the government to collapse.
And as the prime minister promptly resigned, Wilders
is hoping he can grab hold of the
empty seat.
With your political career and here?

(01:51:55):
Actually, I'm going to be the next prime
minister of the Netherlands.
I'll stand in the elections so the Party
for Freedom becomes more popular than ever.
The coalition was formed last July, and finding
middle ground has been an almost impossible task.
The country's minister for foreign affairs criticised the
timing of Wilders' decision.
It's irresponsible.
There's a war in Europe just a few
hours away from here.

(01:52:16):
There are wars all around Europe and the
Middle East.
Wars?
Trump's imposed tariffs and there are serious trade
issues for a country that has such an
open economy as ours.
I think it's scandalous that he resigned from
the negotiating table at this moment.
But for opposition groups such as the Labour
Party, early elections would be a chance to
reshuffle the political landscape.
Well, I think it's an opportunity for all

(01:52:36):
democratic parties to rid ourselves of the extremes
because it's clear that with the extremes you
can't govern.
When things get difficult, they run away.
Elections aren't expected to take place before October,
and considering how fragmented the Dutch political scene
is, agreeing to a coalition could take many
months more.

(01:52:57):
So, no mention of the real issue in
that report, strangely enough.
But I think it's probably a very good
bet that he's going to be extremely popular
and of course now it all depends on
how they campaign for the next five, six
months or so.
It will be determined somewhat by the media

(01:53:18):
and how they handle this.
The media could be pro-immigration and...
Well, yes, but you have to know that
the Dutch are rioting now.
There are small towns everywhere where they are
bombarding the city council.
They're throwing eggs at them.
They don't want the...
Eggs?
Oh yeah.

(01:53:39):
Good.
They don't want the asylum center.
You can't ignore that news.
That news is just too big.
They're everywhere.
The Netherlands does have regional news.
And, you know what?
It's like every socialist country.
Everyone goes, oh yeah, yeah.
In public, like, oh yeah.
But in private, like, meh, screw these guys.

(01:54:01):
I want this guy builders.
So, ultimately, your vote is a private affair
and I think he will be voted in
and I think he will make big moves
in the Netherlands.
The funny thing is, they now have what
they call a caretaker government in the interim.
So, we'll continue to govern as if nothing
happened.

(01:54:21):
It's really the funniest thing.
A caretaker government.
And, well, you know, there's a little problem
with this because we have the big NATO
splash coming up.
So, Dutch Minister of Defense, Ruben Bricklemans, what
are you going to do about it?
Two days ago in the Netherlands, the coalition
government collapsed and I want to stress here

(01:54:44):
at the NATO headquarter that it doesn't mean
anything for our defense and for foreign policy.
We, as a caretaker government, decided to act
as if we are a regular government and
just to continue business as usual.
Business as usual, everybody, which means we're going
to spend your money.
International threats do not diminish if there are

(01:55:07):
domestic political issues in the Netherlands.
So, we will continue in the same way.
Also, in preparation for the NATO summit, which
I expect is going to be an historic
summit.
We, as a host country, want to make
this a big success.
And we will do all the necessary preparations
of course to make this summit a success.

(01:55:27):
And the participants will not see or experience
anything different, given the fact that we in
the Netherlands now have a caretaker government.
Of course, today is also going to be
important to make sure that the 32 allies
get more aligned towards a new defense investment
pledge.
And I expect that we will make further
progress.
What are the capability targets for the Netherlands?

(01:55:48):
Can you go into more details on what
you will be focusing?
Again, everyone is on the same script.
The capability.
You mean how much money we're going to
spend?
Yeah, we call that capability.
Of course, I'm not allowed to share any
specifics about that, but what we do see
in general, of course, is that NATO is
requiring more from us, because the threat, especially
by Russia, is increasing.

(01:56:10):
We made a calculation of what those additional
capability targets mean financially for the Netherlands.
And if you calculate this, then it means
that we should spend in the medium term,
we should spend 3.5% at least
on defense, which in the Netherlands means an
additional 16 to 19 billion addition to our

(01:56:31):
current budget.
And that's what we also shared with Parliament.
So this is what NATO is expecting from
us.
But what we will decide in terms of
a new defense investment plan, a new NATO
norm, that's of course a political decision which
we will further discuss.
There you go.
That's fine and dandy, all that stuff, but
how does this affect the relationship within the

(01:56:54):
EU, which is all pro-immigration?
Well, that's why Wilders is counting on his,
what we call the achterbom, or the everyone
in the back, who is all going to
rise up and vote for it.
Yeah, but again, the question, I'll ask it
again.
How does that affect the relationship of the

(01:57:14):
Netherlands within the EU?
It'll be horrible.
Of course.
Because the EU has worked with Hungary, which
refuses to take any immigrants at all.
He will be labeled a Nazi, he will
be labeled a dictator, he will be labeled
all of these things.
Far-right, ultra-far-right, I don't know
what they'll make of it.

(01:57:35):
Oh yeah, of course not.
But this is why the Dutch voted for
him in the first place.
They're sick of it.
I've said this before.
They're sick of it.
But they have no voice.
This is the only guy.
And he just didn't have enough power, enough
votes.
Talk to Swedes, for example, which have the
same problem.
Don't rise up.

(01:57:57):
I don't see the Swedes being more passive
than the Dutch, although the Dutch were world
conquerors.
They were big shots in the 1600s.
They did give up their bikes within 24
hours.
Yeah, well, that's true.
That is a classic no-agenda callback, by
the way.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Elon Musk just tweeted.

(01:58:17):
You ready for this?
Oh, now we're going to the tweet wars.
Time to drop the really big bomb.
Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
That is the real reason they have not
been made public.
Have a nice day, DJT.
That is a good one.
Woo!
That's awesome.

(01:58:38):
Well, actually, that may be, if we're going
to go with the thesis, or you are,
at least, and I'm not in total disagreement,
with the thesis that this is a bullcrap
play we're witnessing, a staged play, this would
be the rationale for rolling out all the
Epstein files.
To prove Musk wrong.

(01:58:59):
Of course.
He's in on it.
In fact, it may be Trump having Musk
do this because he knows he's not in
the files, but he's a little...
Trump himself, I believe this is a possibility.
Trump himself is irked with Pam Bondage for
sitting on these files.
Yep, and now they got to come out

(01:59:20):
because he has to prove he's not in
them.
Everything will be released.
Everything.
Every last drop.
You know, speaking of such, there is, you
want to hear some Hill Country gossip?
No.
Do I want it?
This is all I do the show.
The only reason I'm still doing the show
is because of this.
Four more years of this.

(01:59:40):
As long as I stay in Fredericksburg, we're
good to go.
The ladies had a lunch the other day.
The ladies had a lunch.
Were you at the ladies' lunch?
Am I a lady?
No!
This is ladies who lunch.
How did you get wind of it?
My wife is my shoe.
Oh, she is in the ladies' lunch.
Of course she is!
Everybody wants Tina Currie at their party.

(02:00:02):
You have a mole.
Yes, I do.
And she'll sit right there and say, Adam's
going to talk about this, and I think
they like it.
Most people like to be talked about.
And these are successful women who have had
successful careers.
This one actually still has a successful career.
And here's what she said.

(02:00:24):
World War III is coming.
World War III is coming.
Because all the names, everything's going to come
out, and they need a distraction.
So let's have a nuclear war instead of,
you know, to distract us from who's on
the list.
Wow, what logic.

(02:00:44):
I love it!
I love the ladies who lunch.
This is the best, man.
I mean, I used to have to search
for this stuff.
Now it just gets hand delivered.
And now it just comes right to you.
It's dropped in your lap.
I know.
It's the easiest work ever.
It's fantastic.
I think you're bang on about this.

(02:01:05):
This is the perfect setup.
And now we have to release it all.
And that does mean some names will come
out.
Now, will that necessitate World War III?
I don't know.
I doubt it.
I highly doubt it.
I think Bono's on there, though.
Bono?
He was just on Rogan.

(02:01:26):
I haven't watched it yet, but he was
on Rogan.
Bono's all over the place.
He's creating screens.
Bono is all of a sudden appearing because
it turns out that Bono is on the
flight logs at least five times, and there's
some name.
There's some pictures of him floating around in
memes.
I haven't put him in the newsletter because

(02:01:47):
I think it's a scandal.
Really?
Of all the people, Bono?
Huh.
Well, that's interesting.
That's what accounts for a lot of Bono's
appearances.
And he shows up on Rogan?
What?
I saw that.
Yeah.
That's interesting.

(02:02:08):
I think it's possible that this is all
a one-two punch, and it's all orchestrated
between Trump and Musk.
They would get picked up by the media
because it looks as though they're having a
feud, and the media hates Trump to such
an extreme that they're going to...
Oh, here it is.
Breaking news.
Just in.
New war of words erupts between Trump and

(02:02:31):
Musk.
Big, ugly battle, says Fox.
Oh, man.
Oh, Fox is a sucker for it, too.
BBC, BBC, Trump and Musk spar in public
fallout.
It's all on the quads, John.
It's everywhere.
It's burning my retinas.
It's on the quads.
Talking about Fox being in the...
You know, we heard that clip that we

(02:02:52):
played a few times ago about the...
I forget.
It was Tucker interviewing somebody, and they mentioned
that Fox is really a bunch of liberals,
and you always like to say...
Yeah, it's run by Democrats, yeah.
Here's a clip mentioning Fox of the five...
This is the Waters clip at the bottom.

(02:03:12):
This is from the five, and this is
a...
At the end of show, they do some
letters to the...
They do letters.
They read letters, and the question is what
would you do if you were a scammer,
and you were going to scam somebody, and
now it goes to Waters about what were
you going to do if you were going

(02:03:33):
to scam somebody, and he has this kind
of crazy tale.
Gutfeld on the show says, oh, this is
meta.
I'm going to give you the headline so
you can follow it.
Waters says, well, if I was going to
scam somebody, I'd pretend to be a conservative,

(02:03:53):
and then work my way up the ladder
and get my own TV show and then
stay there and never mention it to anybody.
If you were a...
Oh, sorry.
Wait, wait, wait.
I've got to do the whole thing.
All right.
Gutfeld says that's meta, meaning it refers to
something that's actually going on at Fox, and
then he says it's meta-meta because Shannon

(02:04:18):
Bream is sitting right next to Waters.
She's the one this is targeted at, and
Gutfeld kind of hints at that when he
asks her the same question next, and she's
really...
Shannon Bream, I've always believed, because I've gotten
evidence of her not being a big supporter
of Trump.

(02:04:39):
She's a beauty queen in every sense of
the word, but I've never thought she was
a conservative.
I think she's the phony they're talking about.
Listen to this.
This is from Frenchie.
If you were a con artist, what would
your scam be?
Jesse?

(02:05:00):
I would pretend to be conservative, and then
I would get on television and dress really
nicely.
Very convincing.
And then I would just climb the corporate
ladder until I had a show and then
just stay there for as long as I
could.
Very convincing.
That was so meta that it's actually meta
-meta.

(02:05:20):
Shannon, you would pretend to be a very
religious...
Somebody who could actually cook, yes.
Somebody who actually loves the Bible.
You could be a Satanist that's rising up.
No, I could not.
I could not.
No, I would try to convince people that
I can cook.
Shannon Bream.

(02:05:40):
Oh, Shannon.
She's meta-meta.
Okay, can I just say...
Yeah, go ahead.
No, nothing.
I just found that to be revealing.
They wanted to get it off their chest.
Shannon was at the table that day.
She's not a normal person.
She's not normally on the five.
It's usually the other one.
Can't remember her name offhand.

(02:06:03):
The Blondie?
The one with the...
Blondie, yes.
The one that used to be Bush's press
secretary.
I can't remember her name.
McEnany?
No.
No, that's the other one.
It's ridiculous, but I can't remember her name.
She's very good.
Purina.
Dana Purino.

(02:06:25):
Purino.
Purina.
Purina.
Purina.
Anyway, so she's usually there, but so Shannon
comes on once in a while, and they
mention when Water says it, and he says,
this person's always going to be really well
dressed.
Shannon on that table was dressed to the
tens.

(02:06:45):
I don't know what she was wearing, but
it was high end.
It's just so obvious.
I'm surprised that she doesn't go to HR
about that situation.
I'm doing you a favor by working here.
I don't think she said anything.
I got problems with my eyes because now

(02:07:05):
of the quad box, two of them have
quad boxes in the quad box, all talking.
It's a multi quad box.
And with that, I want to thank you
for your courage in the morning to you,
the man who put the C's in the
COVID vaccine access.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end.
The one, the only Mr. John C.
Devorah.

(02:07:27):
Good morning.
And the night's out there.
In the morning to the trolls in the
troll room.
Let me count you for a second here.
1750.
50 low.
We're below average.
We're way beyond.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Say it.

(02:07:48):
Go ahead.
You're expecting me to say it's because the
first hour of the show?
Yep, that's what I'm expecting you to say.
Nah.
The trolls are in the troll room at
trollroom.io. That's where you can listen live.
Live and troll along.
It's ephemeral.
It doesn't matter what you do.
It just scrolls right off.

(02:08:09):
Did you use the word ephemeral?
Is that not the correct term?
I think it was a good word, but
it just stuns me that you'd say that
out of the blue like that.
Well, if I had a British accent, would
it stun you less?
It is completely ephemeral what's happening in the
troll room.
And of course, you can also access the
live stream with a modern podcast app.

(02:08:32):
Do not fall for the legacy apps.
They're doing you no good at all.
It takes hours sometimes to get the show.
You don't want that.
What you want is you want a modern
podcast app.
You can get it at podcastapps.com.
What are you drinking?
Hop water.
Pop water?
Yeah, hop water.
Oh, hop water.

(02:08:52):
I thought you said pop water.
Hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop.
What is it?
I don't know.
People just complaining.
No, what are they complaining about?
I don't know.
They're trolls.
That's what they do.
That's exactly how they sound.
That's exactly what they sound like.

(02:09:14):
Take the mic off.
I did take the mic off.
Yeah, get a modern podcast app.
The good thing is there are several great
things.
The first thing is, when we go live,
you get an alert on your phone that
says, we're live.
And then you hit that and you listen
to the live stream.
No legacy app has that.
When we upload the show, all of these
modern apps, they're all connected to the PodPing

(02:09:35):
system.
Actually, Sir Brian of London really concepted it
and built most of it.
I've got to give him props.
Sir Alex Gates jumped in, built all these
different pieces.
It's a whole cacophony of his whole orchestra
of people putting this stuff together.
Nobody owns this.
It's on an actual blockchain.
Anybody can use it, any podcast app.
Many hosting companies, hundreds of thousands of podcasts

(02:09:59):
are using this.
But will Silicon Valley ever use it?
No, because it's not invented here.
Within 90 seconds of posting, you get your
new podcast.
That's what I'm saying.
PodcastApps.com.
In our value for value model, which we
diligently employ, there's so...
The podcast industrial complex, all they talk about

(02:10:20):
is stats.
And first parties...
The data.
Stats.
Stats.
And first-party data.
And we have to know more about who's
listening, who clicked play, how long they're listening
for.
First-party data.
First-party data is what we need.
The apps need to be reporting on everybody
because they can't justify downloads to people actually

(02:10:41):
listening.
Particularly not from, there it is again, the
legacy apps.
Apple auto-downloads.
It auto-downloads.
What's the other one?
Not overcast.
Also, auto-downloads.
And that's fine.
That's what podcast apps were supposed to do.
But then they try to shoehorn this advertising
model in it and it doesn't work.

(02:11:02):
And like, well, there's an outrage when you
first-party data.
So we don't look at stats.
We just make sure we can pay the
rent.
That's why we've been running it for more
than 17 years.
That's all we care about.
Value given, value received.
Yeah.
We probably could make more by scamming.
Easily.
Oh man, I could create downloaders.
You can pay companies to do that.

(02:11:23):
There's entire, I've seen videos of these farms
in China where they just have thousands of
second-hand cell phones all in racks, like
stacked next to each other like loaves of
bread.
And it's professional.
They all have a USB cable going into
a port and all they're doing is scamming.

(02:11:44):
It's sold to you as these are all
bots.
They're download scams, trust me.
That's what they're really doing.
It's money.
Money in the bank, I tell you.
Money in the bank.
No, instead, we just give you the show.
We've been giving you the show for over
17 years.
If you get anything out of it, you
send it back to us.
It's called Value for Value.
It's very simple.
How much is up to you?
Whatever you want to do is up to

(02:12:04):
you.
We thank everybody.
We close that loop by mentioning everyone with
their numbers, whatever they sent us, because numerology
is important.
$50 or above.
Under that, we've kept that cap.
People want to remain anonymous and make sure
we don't screw it up because that's what
we'll do, inevitably.
We'll dox you for sure if we're not
careful.
So under $50, we just don't read.

(02:12:25):
Now, as part of our Hollywood gamble and
gambit, we've created a gamble.
It's a gamble.
It's a great gamble.
We've created actual credits, which are just as
valid as Hollywood credits with executive producer or
associate executive producer.
Before we get to that, some people support
us with time and talent.

(02:12:47):
Time and talent comes in many different ways.
Organizing meetups, setting up websites, doing all kinds
of stuff for us.
And it's the artists, the artists who have
consistently delivered fantastic work for us, which always
delights people by showing you something on social
media.
It shows up in your podcast.
What is this?
Oh, it's no agenda again.

(02:13:08):
By the way, I think I sent you
an email about this because I heard you
and Andrew Horowitz talking about it on DH
Unplugged, which is a great podcast if you
want to hear two guys talk about stocks
and economics and meta-analysis and other odd
things like AI art.

(02:13:29):
You listen to that podcast live on Tuesday
evenings, but it drops right after that.
So Wednesday is when people usually get it.
And again, you were complaining about the levels
of white and just the levels of color
in general in AI generated art.
And we're seeing it on our art generator,
noagendaartgenerator.com.
Yeah, I got another note from Animas.

(02:13:50):
Yes.
You were rude to him, if you don't
mind me saying.
I was probably gruff.
It was your typical...
I told him I was good to hear
from him.
You were rude.
You do this with people.
It's just my...
I'm running interference for you here, because I

(02:14:11):
know you.
This used to send me into a tailspin.
I'm like, Dvorak is such a douche.
I hate him.
I'm quitting the show.
Now I'm like...
Rage quit.
Now I'm like, it's just John.
Whatever.
People will forward me...
He says I was...
He accused me of being skeptical about something

(02:14:31):
or other.
Hold on a second.
You see, you think everything's an accusation.
You're the one with the long toes.
Yes, I do.
You nailed it.
This is the understanding my response to everything.
I see everything as an accusation.
Yep.
Yes.
It's really interesting.
Yeah, I picked this up as a writer.
Is that where it's from?

(02:14:53):
Yeah.
Here, color...
Here.
Your response was amazing.
Skeptical of what?
I did that...
There's no tonal in the...
There's no mean looking emoji or anything.
There's no emoji with a mean face.
When you started...

(02:15:13):
I said it was this way.
This is the way it was presented.
I'm skeptical of what?
No, there's no I'm.
So this is your problem.
Okay, skeptical of what?
Skeptical of what?
I'm just asking.
Skeptical of what?
Well, I'm going to try and explain it
to you.
You remember netiquette?
Do you remember netiquette?
No, you don't, because netiquette was never in

(02:15:34):
your etiquette.
When someone emails you a very thoughtful and
someone says John, I'm interested in the reason
for your skepticism so I can learn more.
So when you don't say, hi, Animas, thanks
for being such a great supporter and once
again contributing to the conversation.

(02:15:55):
Skeptical of what?
No.
Skeptical of what?
I'm just helping you, brother.
It's okay.
Yeah, brother.
Keep going.
So I had a thought.
It's like all of a sudden it hit
me.
I know why the art is getting less
luminous and why there's no whites and there's
no dark, no blacks.

(02:16:16):
This is entropy.
AI is ingesting its own stuff and it's
like making a copy of a copy of
a copy of a copy.
And this was, of course, brought up on
the DHM Plug Show.
Oh, it was?
We brought it up because Horowitz, he uses
AI to create the art for the show.
And he's real proud of it.

(02:16:38):
And he's real proud of it and you
pooped all over him right away.
You think this is good?
No, you're right about that one.
You think this is good?
Well, I was a little, I was probably
that was yes.
Okay.
I'll accept that one.

(02:16:58):
Hey, it's Tuesday night.
You don't really want to do the show
at all.
You want to do it, but when it's
not Tuesday night, you could have other things
to do.
There's sports ball to watch.
I get it.
But you're committed.
But you're committed.
You're a committed guy.
In all these years, 1,770 episodes, you've
always showed up.
Except for one time, you were late because
your analog alarm clock didn't change time with

(02:17:22):
the daylight savings time.
Well, I don't remember that, but generally speaking,
I'm punctual is the word.
Yeah, you are punctual.
Yes, you are.
Yes, I didn't find the art to be
that compelling that he would be happy about
it.
But we did bring up the muddiness and
it was muddy.
It was all this one tone of brown.

(02:17:43):
Right.
But what you didn't discuss this is entropy.
This is the beginnings of model collapse.
And I think that's exactly what we're seeing.
Particularly with the free stuff.
People using free stuff.
Give that model to those guys.
And I wonder if our AI prompt jockeys
if they're seeing that as well.

(02:18:03):
Because it's very apparent to us.
Everything's getting fuzzier.
The colors aren't vibrant.
And maybe that's why people are resorting to
making cartoonish artwork.
Because holy moly, there's a lot of it.
But first...
Wait before you go on.
I want to thank our artist.

(02:18:23):
We haven't thanked our artist yet.
Before you thank the artist, Stephen, because you
brought up all these sidebars.
And I apologize to Animus for being a
jerk.
It's good.
By your standards and probably by his.
Yep.
Not that he's emailed me or anything.
What's up with John?

(02:18:44):
What's wrong with this guy?
Here's a note from Darren O.
About Flux Context.
He says, ITM, I haven't had a chance
to play with the new Flux model yet,
but the existing ones were quite impressive at
creating realistic images.
The Context mod, this was the tip of
the day for the last show.

(02:19:04):
And I asked Darren to look at it,
and he's already very familiar with all this
stuff going on.
He says, of course, the Context model really
seems to shine with image modifications.
Which is like I mentioned, taking somebody's head
and putting it on somebody else's head.
This will make it much harder for people

(02:19:25):
to distinguish between what is real and what
isn't.
If you want to frame someone, what's that
in your mouth, and you have an image
of a room in their home from a
family snapshot, you can get instant believability.
Wow.
Instant believability.
I'll let you know once I dig in,

(02:19:47):
but for now I'd say it's a pretty
good tip of the day.
Hmm.
Well, I think this is time for the
bonus clip.
Or maybe not.
No, yes.
This is a very, very big deal.
Facebook parent MetaPlatforms has announced that it is
going into a 20-year deal with nuclear

(02:20:09):
power provider Constellation Energy for a steady flow
of electricity to power its AI data centers.
And that deal follows a similar tie-up
between Constellation and Microsoft involving the Three Mile
Island nuclear power plant, also for Microsoft's AI
ambitions.
And these commitments highlight big tech's insatiable need

(02:20:31):
for electricity to fuel AI.
In fact, enough juice to power a small
city.
And on top of that, AI facilities require
enormous amounts of water to cool the equipment
because they're just running full throttle all the
time.
Now, what big tech wants you to focus
on is the benefits that could come from

(02:20:53):
AI, how society could change as productivity improves
and as it becomes infinitely easier to create
memes that you can post on Instagram and
Facebook.
On the other hand, this is an industry
that is all but reinvigorating the nuclear power
industry, which was once pretty much on the
ropes as other fuel sources were found.

(02:21:13):
And now, big tech is bringing nuclear power
back in a big way.
So on the one hand, what we have
here is memes.
On the other hand, Three Mile Island.
You figure it out.
There you go.
Memes versus Three Mile Island.
And our art.
And our art, that's right.
By the way, now Fox is calling it
the Big Ugly Battle.

(02:21:35):
Darren O'Neill brought us the artwork for
episode 1769.
We titled that Mr. Umami.
That's right.
Remember that, everybody?
Umami.
Mouthfeel.
Yes, we had some debate about this.
We did.
And I came up with a thesis that
you agreed with.
So first of all, it was a cartoonish

(02:21:58):
depiction of a lorry driving into Russia with
a shed and a little happy drone smiling
out of the back.
The whole idea was good.
Your objection, which was valid, is it said
created by Curry and Dvorak.
And that, of course, is not true.
It is not anything.

(02:22:19):
We don't use that byline.
But we still decided on using it.
You have a thesis.
Yes.
Because the piece I wanted was Rapid Human
Cloning.
Which was another cute piece by Digital2112man.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I remember this.
This is Darren O'Neill's alter ego.

(02:22:45):
Digital211man is Darren O'Neill.
And somebody out there, I figured in the
chat room, the troll room, could figure out
Digital2112man that's code for Darren O'Neill somehow.
This is Darren O'Neill's style.
Yes.
His sense of humor.

(02:23:07):
Everything about Digital211man is Darren O'Neill.
He's producing too much material.
We're outing you.
We're outing you, Darren O'Neill.
He's producing too much material to try to
win every show.
And he's decided that because it would look
ridiculous Darren O'Neill, Darren O'Neill.

(02:23:29):
He's cranking this stuff out left and right.
The code has already been cracked.
Is Darren O'Neill a fan of Rush?
Has he played Rush on his pre-show?
Yes, he has.
2-1-1-2.
That is code for the band Rush.

(02:23:53):
Interesting.
Could be.
We've determined that this is Darren O'Neill.
Or, or, or, AI has gone rogue and
has cloned Darren O'Neill.
That's possible.
This is also very possible.
AI is so dangerous that it's figured out
how to be just like Darren and is

(02:24:13):
registered at no agenda art generator.
It's going to take over.
So, obviously, the type of prompts, this is
like art detection where you find who's the
forged, where's the forged piece, what makes it
forged, what makes it fake.
This is something you do if you're a
hobbyist.

(02:24:34):
And this is what I have determined.
I think you're right.
It's obvious.
So, Darren, come clean and we'll let you
off the hook.
Yeah.
If not, we'll still...
If not, the Digital 2-1-1-2
man has to reveal himself.
Yes, yes, he must decloak.
And I don't want to hear some phony
baloney as Darren's neighbor.

(02:24:56):
You don't know it's me.
Yeah, yeah.
It is quite obvious.
And it's all very cartoony.
It's kind of like...
And when you see the piece that we
chose by Darren and then you see the
Digital 2-1-2...
You know, Blue Acorn may be Darren as
well, for all I know.
This may all be Darren.
Blue Acorn has a slightly different style.

(02:25:18):
Blue Acorn has a dimensionality to his art
that Darren never has, in terms of shading.
Well, I'm sick of it.
I'm sick of it.
Stop it.
If you can't do anything about it, it's
too late.
I'm sick of all of it.
I'm sick of it, I tell you.
All right, thank you very much, Darren.
We love you, brother.
Brother?
I said brother again.
There you go.
You're on this brother thing.

(02:25:40):
Well, you have to understand.
Better than dude.
Yeah, well, it's because...
I have a hard time remembering names.
You know, on the show, we always have
nicknames for people.
We can't...
Dana Purina.
Purina.
We'll always remember Dana Purina because we can't

(02:26:01):
remember...
By the way, do you still use Prevagen?
Prevagen?
I've never used Prevagen.
I remember you telling me that you use
it for short-term memory.
No, no, B12.
Oh, just B12.
I got to tell my neighbor this.
I told him the wrong thing.

(02:26:23):
What is Prevagen for?
It's some sort of squid.
No, I thought you used Prevagen when you
were driving up to Washington in an EV.
No, no, no.
Oh, no, no.
You're thinking about the drug ProVigil.
ProVigil?
Oh, man, I told him the wrong thing.
ProVigil, that's the stuff.
You want that.
Oh, I got to tell him.

(02:26:43):
Oh, man.
No, Prevagen is just a bullshit memory supposed
memory.
ProVigil.
Oh, okay.
ProVigil keeps you awake sharp.
This is what the fighter pilots use.
Sharp as a tack.
This is what fighter pilots use if they
have a long mission so they don't get
drowsy.
Okay.

(02:27:04):
Prevagil.
ProVigil.
It's like vigilant, pro, you're ProVigilant.
ProVigil.
Got it.
That's a prescription drug.
He'll get it.
ProVigil.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
Anyway, now to thank our executive I just
remembered I've forgotten to ask you the question.

(02:27:25):
I better ask it now.
I need ProVigil.
What are you talking about?
Here we go.
Executive associate, executive producers.
Here's the deal.
You support the show with $200 or above.
You become an associate executive producer.
That credit is good anywhere in the world
of show business.
Particularly IMDB is where people prove it.
And we'll read your note.

(02:27:45):
$300 or above.
You get an executive producer credit.
It's good for a lifetime.
It never goes away.
And we will read your note.
And we kick it off with Commodore Archduke,
which now is the acronym CAD.
Commodore Archduke from Winter Park, Florida.
Show number donation.
Whoa.
We haven't had that in a long time.

(02:28:09):
1770.
Show number donation.
A.K.A. Blofeld donation.
From Commodore Archduke of Central Florida.
Great stuff, guys.
Thanks for clarifying the media for us.
Five, six more years.
All right.
Thank you.
Oh, I was going to say the brother
thing.
I was going to explain it.

(02:28:29):
So I can't remember names.
But the good thing is when you're saved,
when you become a Christian, you just call
everybody brother.
I walk into the church Sunday like, hey,
brother, how you doing, brother?
Hey, brother.
Hulk Hogan does the same thing.
He's also saved.
He just got baptized, Hulk Hogan.
He just got baptized, but he's been saying

(02:28:50):
brother for at least 25 years.
Sure, but I'm not Hulk Hogan, and I'm
not a wrestler, and I don't have a
sex tape.
So, but I have an excuse.
There's a sex tape?
Oh, you don't remember that?
I never knew.
You know, I'm going to confess something.
Okay.
I have never seen a sex tape.

(02:29:11):
One of these sex tapes.
You've never seen the Kim Kardashian Ray J
tape?
Nope.
Nope.
No, you're missing something.
What am I missing?
A lot.
Okay.
It puts her in a whole new light.
And then the Paris Hilton one is just
as good, because she's actually on her phone

(02:29:34):
while it's taking place.
Yeah.
I'm reliably informed.
She's a multitasker.
She is.
All right.
Thank you very much, Commodore Archduke.
Okay, Brian Luther's up next.
He's in Gross.
Blake.
Blake Luther.
What did I say?
Brian.
Brian Luther.

(02:29:55):
Just call him Brother Luther.
Just call him Brother Luther.
It's all good.
Brother Luther.
And I can't even.
I'm all over the map.
In Gross Point Shores, Michigan, which is a
horrible place, I guess, because it's gross.
A thousand bucks.
Another doctor.

(02:30:16):
PhD.
Please knight me, sir, horse meds.
I bet she's a vet.
Uh-huh.
Please de-douche me.
You've been de-douched.
Because he's been a horrible douchebag for way
too long, he says.

(02:30:36):
When he comes in with a thousand bucks,
he's no longer a douchebag.
That's for sure.
And he says, sure, he says, big thank
you for all the value.
You're right.
Thank you very much.
I like these really pricey donations and very
two-line notes.
That's how it always goes.
This is part of the model.
We learned it a long time ago.
Preston Isaacson.

(02:30:58):
Straight to our associate executive producers with a
row of ducks.
What?
We don't have any executive producers?
Except for these first two.
Wow.
2222.22. Yak Karma for sure.
Don't remember if there's relationship karma, but if
there is one of those, please give it
to me after Yak.
No need to read this on the air.

(02:31:18):
Thanks, guys.
Well, we already did it, and I'll give
you the relationship too.
karma.
You've got karma.
There you go.
Yak and relationship karma.
One after another.
I find it screwy.
And we're already the Eli the coffee guy.
He's in Bensonville, Illinois.
He came in with 206.

(02:31:39):
05.
You'd appreciate him because you're laced with coffee
today.
If humanity used its technological might for advancement
of civilization and society, he writes, we might
actually have landed on the moon.
We might have landed on the moon by
now.
Yeah.
No.

(02:32:00):
Instead, our use of technology is focused on
destruction, subjugation, or beard and circus.
What?
Or beard and circuses.
Okay.
I pray one day we'll find a better
way.
There is one fantastic use for technology I

(02:32:20):
can think of.
Ordering fresh roasted coffee off the internet.
Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for
20% off your coffee today.
Stay caffeinated.
Eli the coffee guy.
So I opened up the bag of Ethiopian

(02:32:40):
black bag.
He's got this one line of expensive ones.
And I believe this to be pea berries.
And I would like to have him correct
me if I'm wrong, but it looked like
pea berries to me.
I think that's correct, pea berries.
And I don't know why he doesn't promote
that because pea berries are a thing.
You skipped Matthew Martel, but I will go

(02:33:04):
back and thank him for his $210.60
donation, associate executive producership from Broomall, Pennsylvania.
And Matthew says, the hardware tip of the
day segment of my email newsletter is nailing
it.
That is only true, of course, when it's
received.
Visit martelhardware.com and use coupon SPAMMAIL for

(02:33:27):
an additional 10% off your order.
That's martel, double L hardware.com.
Hot pockets.
Hot pockets.
Huh.
Travis West in Howell, Michigan.
Howell.
20202.
Thank you for your courage.
Biphobic Stephen Wright donation.

(02:33:51):
Biphobic.
Biphobic.
I don't know what that means.
Forgot about that.
I don't know what Stephen Wright's got to
do with it.
Shout out to all the boys in the
hot gay apocalypse.
Please de-douche me.
You've been de-douched.
No jingles, but I'll take as much house
-selling karma as this donation will allow.

(02:34:15):
God bless you all.
All right, well that calls for a goat,
I think.
You've got karma.
And that brings us to our last associate
executive producer, $200.
It comes from Linda Lou Patkin who asked
for Jobs Karma and says for a resume
that showcases your unique value proposition, tells a

(02:34:35):
compelling career story, and highlights your standout accomplishments,
visit ImageMakersInc.com.
That's ImageMakersInc with a K.
I know, she listened to us, didn't she?
Yeah.
And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs
and writer of resumes, she makes you shine.
I screwed up the tagline.
Well, we'll never hear it in the edit.

(02:34:57):
She makes you shine.
Hey boys, thanks for the sage advertising.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
You've got karma.
Now, Linda, John and I did discuss you
after the last show.
Sage advertising council.

(02:35:19):
I'm sorry?
That's what she wrote.
It usually says sage advertising.
No, she says, I'm reading the copy, she
says something.
Oh, oh, because it didn't fit on the
spreadsheet.
Thanks for the sage advertising council, love you,
mean it, I'm sorry.

(02:35:41):
Stupid.
I denounce Excel.
I'm getting off this.
I'm using Excel on mine.
Yeah, it's a crap shoot.
I still think crap.
Yes, well, there's that.
Well, and you know what's popping up?
The little co-pilot thing.
I'm going to hit the co-pilot.
What is co-pilot?
Ask co-pilot, ask co-pilot.

(02:36:02):
Clippy.
I'm going to ask co-pilot.
I'm going to ask co-pilot.
Okay.
Co-pilot.
Where do I ask?
I don't want auto save.
I want to ask you a question.
It's a nightmare, don't do it.
I want to ask co-pilot a question.
How can I ask co-pilot a question?
Turn on auto save.
I don't want to do that.
I want to ask you a question.

(02:36:23):
Stupid.
Okay, co-pilot doesn't even.
I still think for a resume that gets
results was a great line.
That's just my personal opinion.
It went viral.
People were using it.
And then, you know, to change it to
for a resume that showcases your unique value
proposition.

(02:36:44):
I'm going to agree with you on this.
I think it's snappier.
And she should go back to it.
She's already gone back to the dot ink
with a K, which is a good one.
Which is clarification which is always a good
way.
You should always have clarification.
But a snappy little ditty is better than

(02:37:09):
one that's lengthy.
As witnessed by the first hour of the
show.
He got it in.
I was waiting for it to come, but
there it is.
You got me nailed.
There it is.
Thank you to the executive and associate executive
producers for episode 1770.
We'll be thanking more people in just a

(02:37:30):
bit, actually.
$50 and above.
We appreciate you so much.
We love doing this.
It's a public service we do.
And when you return the value, it just
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If you want to support the show, go
to noagendadonations.com.
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You can do any number, any amount.
You can even set up a sustaining donation,

(02:37:51):
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Go to noagendadonations.com.
Thank you for supporting the show, episode 1770.
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(02:38:12):
Hot pockets!
Shut up, Steve!
Five minutes.
Five minute warning.
Well, it is Pride Month.
In case you wanted to talk about Pride
Month.
I don't have any Pride Month clips.
I do have one TikTok clip you ridiculed

(02:38:34):
me for having TikTok clips.
I only have one.
Why don't you do your TikTok clip and
then I'll do my Pride Month clips.
There's a thing going around, and this TikTok
clip epitomizes it, called hoax etymologies.
Hoax etymology?
Is that like deconstruction of hoaxes?
No, no.

(02:38:55):
Hoax etymology.
In other words, you come up with a
fake etymology of a word and it goes
viral.
And it's usually done, the whole hoax was
created by somebody else, and you're a sucker.
You buy into it, and then you go
out and you post about it.
And this particular one, which is the use
of the word picnic, is elucidated in Snopes

(02:39:20):
as a hoax, an etymological hoax.
And this woman, a black woman, another one
of the lecturers, like the lecturer white people,
will reveal what she will reveal this going
around, play it.
Here's a list of words to help you
decolonize your summer.

(02:39:42):
And like with anything, our...
I like this already.
This morning I woke up, you know what
my first thought was?
I need to decolonize my summer.
It just won't be the same.
Here's a list of words to help you
decolonize your summer.
And like with anything, our vocabulary evolves.

(02:40:04):
It isn't about being woke.
It's about elevating your vernacular to fit the
times and the paradigm that we're in.
So welcome.
First, stop saying picnic.
Picnic originated from pic- a-n word.
The word picnic originated in the 1700s, but
gained popularity once people enjoyed lynching black people

(02:40:28):
and spreading a nice charcuterie board along the
trees as people were being lynched.
Instead of using the word picnic, why don't
you use barbecue, outing, you can use outdoor
excursion, gathering, rendezvous, what have you.

(02:40:50):
Make it up.
Just know that every time you use that
word, you are perpetuating the history of lynching.
I think I recall Mo and I discussing
this at some point.
I don't think it's true.
No, it's not true.
The word came in in the 1600s, not
the 1700s.

(02:41:11):
It has nothing to do with lynching.
It was a French word.
It had nothing to do with the n
-word or anything in between.
This is bogus.
This is a fake, etymological hoax.
And she bought into it and the rationale,
according to at least Snopes and others, is
that this is done to show how stupid

(02:41:32):
people are and anyone who follows up by
bringing this into the lexicon, it just proves
that they're an idiot.
And it's done specifically targeting people that are
susceptible to this sort of nonsense to show
that they're dumb and they're stupid.
That's interesting.
Just on this TikTok for a second, TikTok

(02:41:54):
has announced something which I think is amazing.
It shows they come from a very different
place than all of the big tech platforms.
And in fact, it may even encourage you
to load the TikTok app on your phone
after you take it out of the drawer

(02:42:15):
and charge it.
The phone I have, I don't know what
technology they're using for the battery, but I
can leave that phone in the drawer for
months and it's still fully charged.
What apps do you have on it?
None.
That's the whole reason why these phones are

(02:42:37):
running out of juice is because of all
the spying and spurning and reporting and all
the stuff it's doing under the hood.
Listen to this.
Now to some big changes for social media
giant TikTok, it's launching new self-care tools
designed to give users more control over their
content experience.

(02:42:57):
The announcement was made exclusively on Good Morning
America.
The new features include Manage Topics, which is
a setting that allows users to adjust how
often they see content from more than 10
popular categories, including travel, nature, sports and creative
arts.
Also included is an enhanced keyword filtering tool,
now powered by AI.

(02:43:17):
Users can plug in up to 200 keywords
of content they would prefer to avoid.
TikTok also introduced an updated safety center guide
designed to help users better understand and customize
their For You feed.
Now of course you don't see the video
with this, but they show the screen of
it and there's six or seven sliders.
They're literally letting you control your own algo,

(02:43:40):
which is the one thing people actually want.
This is, remember this is the secret sauce
of TikTok.
They're just saying, oh here it is.
You control it.
You want more dumb people who talk about
dumb stuff?
Who are clearly...
See this is why I don't want it
on a phone and have the phone running
because I'd be watching this all day.

(02:44:02):
Exactly!
It is the smartest thing I've seen from
a social network for a long time.
I think it's genius and they're going to
just blow past everybody with this, mainly because
they are social shopping.
They're not based on strife and getting you
angry and keeping you engaged.

(02:44:22):
They give you what you want.
So just give people what they want and
if they're done with it, there's a slide
less cooking videos, more cooking videos.
This is perfect.
The cooking videos are just unbelievable.
It all includes cheese.
Everything.
Yes, always.
Yes, a lot of cheese.

(02:44:44):
And they're always opening packages and dumping them.
There's another thing.
It's always in a can or some sort
of plastic wrap and it goes in.
If it comes in a bag or has
a barcode, it is to be avoided is
my motto.
Here's NPR's morning edition to remind us that
June is Pride Month.

(02:45:04):
World Pride is underway here in Washington, D
.C. The international festival celebrating all things LGBTQ
has taken place in Copenhagen, London and Sydney.
But as NPR's Elizabeth Blair reports, attendance and
sponsorships are down this year.
World Pride D.C. has been going on
since mid-May.
Ryan Boss, executive director of Capital Pride Alliance,

(02:45:27):
says they've organized some 300 events across the
city.
Dance parties, a film festival, family activities like
Drag Story Hour and events for millions.
That was the best line.
Family activities like Dance parties, a film festival,
family activities like Drag Story Hour.
Come on kids, let's go to Drag Story

(02:45:48):
Hour.
It's time for a Saturday outing.
Now where was this?
This is NPR?
NPR morning edition.
And this is, so they've normalized Drag Story
Hour as a family activity on NPR.
Family time.
Film festival, family activities like Drag Story Hour
and events for military personnel.

(02:46:11):
But Boss says the Trump administration's anti-drag
and trans policies and rhetoric have had a
chilling effect.
A lot of our service members are being
forced back in the closet because they're afraid
of being who they are at their work
and that is just extremely disheartening.
People from around the world travel to World
Pride festivals but this year Boss says hotel

(02:46:32):
bookings are below what they were expecting.
Sponsorships are also down.
Past DC Pride sponsors including Booz Allen Hamilton
and Comcast didn't come back this year.
They did not return NPR's request for comment.
Ooh, the money's drying up.
Gee, that is a problem.
Companies I think overall are in a very

(02:46:53):
tough spot.
Luke Hartig is president of Gravity Research which
recently surveyed roughly 200 Fortune 1000 companies about
their Pride sponsorships.
He says more than a third of them
plan to decrease their Pride support this year.
Many of them do business with the federal
government.
Federal contractors are in a particularly precarious place
when it comes to Pride because Pride is

(02:47:15):
so closely integrated into broader DEI efforts.
And when it comes to the administration's power
to regulate DEI in the private sector, their
powers are probably at their greatest when it
comes to federal contractors.
And I think for a lot of companies,
celebrating Pride just comes a little too close
to the danger zone.

(02:47:36):
It's like, really?
Get a clue.
This was always pandering.
No one cared about you in the corporate
world.
It was pandering.
It's a hard pill to swallow.
Pride festivals are by their nature political.
That community includes the more than 200-
What?
Pride festivals are by their nature political?

(02:47:57):
I thought it was just to celebrate yourself
and your- We're learning something new from
NPR.
Pride festivals are- I'm sorry, the second
thing we've learned, the other one is that
dragged story hour is a family activity.
Pride festivals are by their nature political.
That community includes the more than 250 singers

(02:48:19):
in the Gay Men's Chorus of Washington.
The chorus was scheduled to perform at the
Kennedy Center with the National Symphony Orchestra in
May during World Pride, but shortly after President
Trump announced he would take over the institution,
the chorus was informed that the event would
not take place.
The orchestra told NPR the concert was postponed
for financial and scheduling reasons, not because it

(02:48:41):
was a Pride event.
Thea Kano, artistic director of the chorus, says
it was disappointing.
You know, nobody wants to be canceled or
feel like they've been canceled, but that's why
right away I thought, well, we cannot be
silenced.
Music is our protest.
We are resilient.

(02:49:13):
The Gay Men's Chorus of Washington organized an
international choral festival for World Pride.
The organization says some choirs from abroad pulled
out because of the tension in Washington.
A big closing ceremony...
Is that the proverbial pulling out of the
church before singing?
I'm just trying to say...
Pulling out...

(02:49:34):
Pulled out because of the tension in Washington.
A big closing ceremony for World Pride D
.C. takes place this weekend.
There's a parade and concerts featuring Jennifer Lopez,
Cynthia Erivo, and Goat Cheese.
J.
Lo is performing.
And Goat Cheese?
Was that the last one?
Goat Cheese.
J.
Lo and Goat Cheese.
I don't want to say too much, but

(02:49:56):
I started this show with the most boring
topic.
You despised me for it because it wasn't...
You're exaggerating my critique.
It wasn't top of mind.
No one cared about it, but somehow...
I know.
You're looking at the four monitors right now,

(02:50:17):
and that's all they're talking about.
Am I right?
Yes, but this is what's so great about
it.
Because now the conversation has moved from Trump
is in the Epstein files to he would
have never been elected without me, his tariffs
will cause a recession, and we should impeach
him.

(02:50:38):
And without our...
At the beginning of the show, which people
will hear, saying, this is a gambit, this
is a scam, this is all set up.
Now the no-agenda people will be calm.
Mission accomplished.
Well, I'm glad you like to pat yourself

(02:50:59):
on the back.
I'm not going to argue against it.
It's possible you're right.
What?
I'm what?
Yeah.
So I have a couple of short clips.
I want to play this one just so
I can get my little rant out of
the way.
This is the AI comment from...
This is Kilmeade on Fox News, making a

(02:51:22):
comment that I want to make some statement
about.
Okay, Kilmeade.
How do you juggle that with the emerging
AI that could really hurt blue-collar Americans
as they begin to take the jobs and
even some white-collar Americans?
Is this a really high-wire act for
Republicans to manage?

(02:51:43):
Alright, rant away.
AI is going to take away...
If it's going to take away jobs, it's
going to take away white-collar bureaucrat jobs.
Blue-collar plumbers and electricians and carpenters...
AI is not going to have any effect
whatsoever on the blue-collar.

(02:52:04):
And I mentioned this on the DHM Plug
show.
If any kids out there want to make
sure that they have a job forever, get
into the trades.
If you want an education, sure, go get
your degree in social sciences or history or
whatever.
And you can say you're educated, but become
a welder.
AI is not going to replace welders.

(02:52:29):
No, that was a very short rant.
It wasn't much to it, but I'm just
saying, you know, you can't say that AI
is going to take away blue-collar jobs.
No, of course not.
I don't think it's going to take away
that many white-collar jobs either.
I think it's going to take away a
lot of white-collar jobs.
It's already taken away the jobs of...
Look at the spot art that we're using.

(02:52:50):
I mean, that's a white-collar job being
an artist.
Right, but that's more an advancement, like Photoshop
did that, and then people became really good
at Photoshop.
And now you have AI.
Photoshop took away a lot of art jobs.
I can't create what Darren O'Neill creates.
You have to have talent to operate these
tools.
Yes.

(02:53:11):
You got to have the talent.
What if it's a job that needs no
talent whatsoever?
Paper pusher.
Like podcaster?
You can say that as a joke, but
I'm not worried that AI...
We've heard AI trying to do podcasts.
All they do is a deep dive, and
they make mistakes.

(02:53:32):
Well, but AI can't do law because it
hallucinates.
It can't do marketing because it sucks.
It's too wordy.
It can't write.
It can't write novels.
The songs.
Where's my number one hit on the Billboard
chart from an AI song?
No.
It can't do any of that.
No, it's not coming.
It's not going to happen.
You need a living person to gyrate on

(02:53:54):
stage.
It just doesn't happen.
Now, if you listen to CBS mornings, the
Wall Street Journal editor, I guess the tech
editor, oh, no.
Let me just tell you.
AI, it's going to take over the world,
baby!
My talk on the table is how AI
is learning to escape human control.

(02:54:16):
That's the very scary headline I saw in
the Wall Street Journal.
It's an essay written by a very worried
AI consultant named Judd Rosenblatt who cites two
recent studies to argue that AI is, in
fact, learning to escape human control.
First, this is crazy stuff.
Researchers gave OpenAI's O3 model, a simple script
that would shut off the model when triggered.

(02:54:38):
In 79 of 100 trials, the AI model
independently, just on its own, edited the script
so shutdown command would not work.
Nate, Nate, Nate, it gets worse.
Even when ordered allow yourself to shut down,
the AI still disobeyed 7% of the
time.
And it gets even more frightening than that.

(02:54:59):
Other researchers, listen to this.
Using Anthropic's AI model Claude Four Opus, told
the model it would be replaced by another
AI system.
It then fed fictitious emails into the system
suggesting one of the engineers was having an
affair.
Got it?
In 84% of the tests, the AI

(02:55:19):
model drew on the emails to blackmail the
engineer to not shut down the AI model.
What?
What?
What?
What?
What?
What?
I'm quoting now from Judd.
In other cases, the AI model attempted to
copy itself onto external servers, we're in Mission
Impossible land here, wrote self-replicating malware and

(02:55:41):
left messages for future versions of itself about
the need to evade human control.
The entity.
The entity is real.
And that's why so many people, and when
I say people, me, are worried about AI.
That is scary stuff.
I told you.
So what they forget or omit...

(02:56:02):
I'm actually glad you got this clip.
But they're omitting some key information.
They're omitting everything.
Go ahead.
This was a dinner table conversation with JC
who is deep into AI, and he says
this is all the equivalent of writing on
a piece of paper I'm alive, and then

(02:56:22):
giving it to a copy machine, and it
comes out, says I'm alive, and you assume
the copying machine is alive, because it said
so.
Well, even worse than that, this was a
test that they did.
They expressly exposed to the AI this so
-called email of an affair.

(02:56:44):
It wasn't true.
They put it all in there.
It was like a test that they did
just to psych everybody up, and CBS, of
course, falls for it, like a bunch of
nerds.
AI is like working with a toddler with
ADHD who has perfect syntax.

(02:57:05):
Doesn't mean the toddler can write a novel.
Doesn't mean the toddler can create an application.
It has perfect syntax.
But it's like saying, I have a kitty
litter box with a turd in it.
Take the turd out.
The kid will go, go off to the
beach, get some sand, throw it into a
new box, bring it back, put the turd
in the other box, and then it's done.

(02:57:25):
AI is inherently not intelligent.
It is stupid.
Perfect syntax.
It's really good at it.
You need talent.
You need almighty intelligence to use artificial intelligence.
That's just it.
Nothing to worry about.
I think it will actually create more jobs.

(02:57:46):
It's not going to take away jobs.
It will take away certain jobs where people
can learn how to do other things.
You had the perfect example.
Learn to code.
Learn to prompt.
That's what it is.
That's a bogus story.
Totally bogus.
It's a promotion.
Promotion for Anthropic.
That's all that it was.

(02:58:06):
They probably paid for it.
They did have a plug in there for
Anthropic.
They probably paid for it.
One or two more.
It's all up to you.
I can do Africa and China and Africa.
Do you want to scare people off from
the last few minutes of the show?
That would be a good point.
Forget that.
How about the doofus?
I'm not going to play that clip.

(02:58:26):
I will play the attacks on referendums.
This is a four parter.
It may be too long.
Up to you.
How much time we have left?
Really none.
All right.
Honestly, hold on a second.
Let me do it this way.

(02:58:48):
John, we're almost at the end of time.
Can you hurry it along and play one
more clip?
Let's just play this then.
Now you got me cornered because I'm looking
for a one-shot clip.
I could just play maniacal laugh.

(02:59:10):
I'll give you maniacal laugh as a bonus.
Okay, now you get to play one more
clip.
Let's just go with the Russia-Trump talks
update and then we'll be done.
President Trump today speaking by phone with Russian
President Vladimir Putin.

(02:59:30):
The call comes after a series of high
-profile attacks on Russia by Ukraine.
In today's international correspondent, Arianne Pasdar has the
details.
President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin had
another phone call on Wednesday afternoon.
Trump said, we discussed the attack on Russia's
docked airplanes by Ukraine and also various other

(02:59:51):
attacks that have been taking place by both
sides.
Kiev recently used drones to strike several Russian
air bases.
Ukraine says it destroyed many of Russia's nuclear
-capable bombers.
And Ukraine also posted this video saying it
attacked a bridge connecting Crimea to Russia.
The rail and road bridge is a key
supply route for Russian forces in Ukraine.

(03:00:15):
According to Trump, it was a good conversation
but not a conversation that will lead to
immediate peace.
President Putin did say, and very strongly, that
he will have to respond to the recent
attack on the airfields.
Special Envoy to Russia and Ukraine Keith Kellogg
tells Fox News that the attack could raise
the risk of escalation.

(03:00:35):
And I'm telling you the risk levels are
going way up.
I mean, what happened this weekend, people have
to understand in the national security space, when
you attack an opponent's part of their national
survival system, which is their triad, the nuclear
triad, that means your risk level goes up
because you don't know what the other side's
gonna do.

(03:00:57):
Was that an RT report?
That was kind of a cool voice.
I liked him.
That was NTD.
Oh, NTD.
My sources, sources familiar with the matter, tell
me that UK was behind this.
And it kind of fits with Keir Starmer

(03:01:17):
all of a sudden being Mr. War.
And it wouldn't surprise me.
Well, that's an interesting little tidbit that we
can end the show with.
No agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning.

(03:01:42):
Yes, but not before we have thanked our
donors $50 and above.
We have John's tip of the way, tip
of the way day.
The tip of the day.
We have PhDs.
We got some nights.
It's a good day here at the No
Agenda show.
John C.
Dvorak, go!
Go!
Clip one.
Clip one, go!
Barron Ladekin starts up, but I'm still upset

(03:02:04):
by the fact we had no executive producers
under $1,000.
Yeah, it happens.
It's very strange.
It could have been.
If it wasn't for the PhDs, we would
have had none.
That's right.
Barron Ladekin in Houston, Texas starts us off.
He actually came in very late for the
last show, but here he is, $100.
John Robinet, $100.
Ketan, Kellen.
Is it Kellen?

(03:02:24):
Kellen.
Prince in Hollywood, Florida.
$100.
Sir F.
A.
Ann Beck in Schiffwoods, Schiffwood Forest, U.S.
somewhere.
I don't know where that is.
$100.
Sir Loin, Sir Loin, get it?

(03:02:45):
In Winter Haven, Florida, $84.38. And that's
a stuffed bra boob donation, which means it's
an $8.008 with the fees included.
That's a good one.
I like that.
That is funny.
Kevin McLaughlin, though, he's got the real deal.
$8.008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover

(03:03:06):
of America and boobs.
Harry Kelly, was it Tate?
Tate.
In Kuvota, Finland.
Kuvola.
Kuvola.
I can't tell the T's from the L's
on here.
Same thing with the font.

(03:03:26):
This is the 75th.
Yokozuna is Onosato donation.
Yes, Onosato is now the 75th Yokozuna.
And probably the best sumo wrestler I've ever
seen.
And I actually met Aki Bono, for anybody
out there looking for trivia.
Who is really good.

(03:03:49):
He's dead now, unfortunately.
Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire, 7903.
7903 from Harry, too.
So 7903, it would be the She wants
us to give at truckdriveratpoa.st and fcancerkarma
and prayers.
Prayers done, and I will give you the

(03:04:09):
fcancer at the end.
Ashley Larson in Ham Lake, Minnesota.
It's one of the 10,000 lakes.
6777 is a switcheroo birthday gift from my
brother, Chad Larson, June 7th.
Happy 48th, bro.
Love the show.
Scott Nuzzo in Dubois.

(03:04:35):
Sorry, I'm using this crazy name for a
Wyoming town.
I live in Dubois, Wyoming.
I'm sure it's pronounced Dubois.
6689.
Another birthday call out.
It's coming up.
Joe Rizzi in Trego.
Trego, Trego, Trego, Montana.
Another birthday call out.

(03:04:56):
He came in with 66 for the birthday
on 6-6.
Tom Ross Sylmar, California, 65.
James Moore in San Pablo, 6447.
He says, I will read some of this
note.
I heard you're complaining, so here's your blood
money.
Now shut the hell up.

(03:05:17):
Love the show.
Thanks for all you do.
I don't want your blood money.
Andrew Foreman.
Thanks for all you do.
He's the one that said, thanks for all
you do.
The blood money guy said nothing like that.
He's in Baca Raton for 6331.
Gene Moley.

(03:05:38):
It is Jobs Carmel.
Do that again.
Or Gina, Gina, Gina Moley.
Gina Moley.
Moley, Moley in Phoenix, Arizona, 6325.
Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, Brillo, California, 6161.
And that's the Auntie Gigi donation.

(03:06:01):
And here it comes.
I'll just have an apple in my room.
Brian Furley, 5510.
Anonymous, Portland, Oregon, 55.
He wants us to mention Nick and Terry
who are expecting a new human resources any

(03:06:21):
day.
In the morning.
Sean Pendergast in Vista, California, 55.
Preston Isaacson in Baca Raton, another Baca person,
5333.
Michael Gates, 5280.
Robin Winkle with a long note for some
reason in Enschede.

(03:06:42):
Enschede.
Pretty close.
Enschede in Holland.
And you can read her note.
First time donor, please deduce me.
You've been deduced.
Came to us through the Robert Jensen podcast.
Jensen donation.

(03:07:03):
John Bosano.
Hey, there he is.
I haven't seen him for a while in
Madison, Alabama.
5272.
These are $50 donors, actually.
Alex Salash.
What do you think?
Salashour.
Salashour.
Maybe.

(03:07:24):
McDermott.
He came at 5272.
There's also McDermott Connor in Estero, Florida.
5272.
Roger Kesey in Holland, Michigan.
Douglas Johnson, 5272 in Lithia, Florida.
Then we get to the 50s, just the
plain old 50s.
Name and location starting with Matt Frazee in

(03:07:46):
St. John's, Florida.
A lot of Floridians.
Yeah, they're on fire.
Foster Birch in New York.
Daniel Laboe in Bath, Michigan.
James Sharametta in Nappanock, New York.
Rebecca Ho or Hogg or one of the
two in Memphis, Tennessee.
Chris Conaker in Anchorage, Alaska.

(03:08:07):
Alex Zavala in Kiley, Texas.
Narzis Nadenov.
Kyle, Texas.
Kyle, Texas.
Not Kylie?
No.
Narzis Nadenov.
In Clifton, New Jersey.

(03:08:28):
Leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon.
And last on our list here is Brett
Lemons in Mitchell, Indiana.
I want to thank these people for making
show 1771 show 1771.
Yes, and we have a Jobs Karma and
an F Cancer Karma.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

(03:08:48):
Let's vote for jobs.
Youth Thought Karma.
Youth Thought.
Karma.
And we have breaking news.
Breaking news from the quads.
President Vladimir Putin of Russia has said he
is willing to negotiate a peace treaty between

(03:09:10):
President Trump and Elon Musk.
It's the joke of the day apparently.
Thank you very much to these donors.
$50 and above.
And again thank you so much for the
value received from our executive and associate executive
producers.
We do have some PhDs who have helped
us out tremendously today.
We appreciate that so much.

(03:09:31):
You can always support the show with time,
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Go to noagendadonations.com and set up a
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Just anything you want to give us.
Whatever the value is that you received, turn
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Thank you very much.
It's your birthday, birthday of Noah And first

(03:09:55):
off we have to thank our flight attendant
extraordinaire Dame Christina Pearl for being a supporter
of the No Agenda Show and she celebrated
her birthday on June 4th.
Love and kisses from us.
Scott Nuzio wishes his brother Craig a very
happy one.
He celebrates on the 6th.
Joe Rizzi also celebrating tomorrow and finally Ashley
Larson.
Happy birthday to her brother Chad Larson.

(03:10:16):
He turns 48 on June 7th.
Happy birthday from everybody here at the best
podcast in the universe.
It's your birthday.
We congratulate our brand new PhDs Commodore Archduke,
known as CAD and Blake Luther.
Both of you can go and pick up
your PhDs.
The commencement ceremony is taking place as we
speak at noagenderings.com Let us know exactly

(03:10:37):
what name you want to put on it.
It's a very, very handsome PhD diploma and
anyone can take a look at those at
noagenderings.com And we have some actual rings
to hand out.
We've got some knights ready to go.
Oh wait a minute.
First I need to read this note.
A layaway knight Jeffrey Morrill he's been a
sustaining donor since 2018.
Why, he says?

(03:10:57):
Because real sustainability is only the best podcast
in the universe.
To all the slaves I say make sure
you're eating government mac and cheese and donate
early and often it works.
Now he has a very long note here
but I will skip through a few pieces
and he says Adam, John may God bless
you with the best exit strategy in the
universe by letting Jesus be your shelter.

(03:11:19):
My church has seen a massive increase more
than pre-COVID numbers and one protester.
Praise God.
We are winning.
Nothing compared to the beat drop in church.
John, I have one I have, I for
one have been receiving all newsletters so I'm
not sure why of all the failures.
Hmm.
What do you think?
Have we had failures?

(03:11:40):
Well you didn't even get the last newsletter.
You told me so yourself and you have
two email addresses.
But Tina did get it.
That's the crazy thing.
But you didn't get it.
I didn't get it and I've never at
least one of my two.
At least one of my two email addresses
always gets it.
Let me just see.
Does he have he wants an apple in

(03:12:02):
his room?
Okay.
There you go.
This is exactly right.
It works.
Becoming a layaway knight and since 2018 love
hearing that.
Fantastic.
You are going to be invited up on
the podium if you can give me your
blade, John.
Nice big sword.
There you go.
There it is.
Alright, Jeffrey Morrow.
Come on up, you sustaining donor guy.

(03:12:23):
Anonymous Black Sheep.
Eric Clay Thomason and Blake Luther.
All of you are now official knights of
the Noah Jenner Roundtable.
I am proud to pronounce you as Sir
Horseman.
Sir Snortle.
Sir M of Spokane.
Sir Jeffrey, I guess.

(03:12:44):
And Black Sheep Lord of the East Lansing
Hinterlands.
For all of you, we've got Hookers and
Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, along with that
some Rubinettes, Lemon and Rosé, Vodka and Vanilla,
Bong hits and Bourbon, Sparkling Cider and Escorts,
Ginger Ale and Gerbils, Fresh Milk and Pablum,
and as always we've got you some mutton
and some mead.
Go to NoahJennerRings.com just like everybody else.

(03:13:05):
Did I miss this anonymous Black Sheep knight?
I guess I guess we knighted him but
we gave him the wrong name.
Not sure.
This is so confusing.
And Eric Clay was also a layaway knight
after years of throwing pennies and nickels into

(03:13:26):
value for value.
He became Sir Snortle.
Okay, I think I got everything right.
The guy who got his name wrong, anonymous
Black Sheep, now E61 Black Sheep Lord of
the East Lansing Hinterlands.
He says he feels he should be a
Black Knight but I don't think that counts.
We didn't forget him.

(03:13:47):
We just did the wrong name.
Am I correct?
That would be my assumption, yeah.
Okay.
Take it up with the back office.
Notes at NoahJennerShow.net You can always send
in a request for a variance.
Well, I think he did send in the
request.
Form 414.
Did he send that in?
He did not send in the form.
That is exactly the problem.

(03:14:08):
NoahJennerRings.com.
Go take a look at that handsome knight
ring.
It's a signet ring, so it comes with
sticks of wax which you can melt and
then stick your ring into it to seal
your important correspondence.
And as always, with a certificate of authenticity.
And welcome again to the roundtable of the
Noah Jenner Knights and Dames.
Noah Jenner Meetups!

(03:14:30):
And those meetups take place all around the
globe.
We love it when people send in reports
and let us know how things went.
And we have a very famous super arch...
What is the top level?
The Archduke?
Grand Duke.
Grand Duke.
I'm sorry.
The Grand Duke of Tokyo.
That's who I'm talking about.

(03:14:51):
Grand Duke Mark.
And he sent us the report for the
Tokyo Meetup from May 31st.
Hey, John.
Hey, Adam.
Sir Mark here.
We're having another great meetup in Tokyo.
Rolling out the red carpet for our international
guests.
Irasshaimase!
In the morning from Tokyo!

(03:15:12):
In the morning this is Sir Patrick Hobo,
the Duke of the South, out here in
Ten Cups.
Howdy.
And Dame Sarah.
Dame Catherine.
They're eating the dogs.
Sir James.
They're eating the cats.
This is Marina.
Hi, Dad.
I know you're listening.
This is Harold.
Yoroshiku onegaishimasu.
This is Abby.
I got ants.
Hey, Adam and John C.

(03:15:32):
This is Brandon coming to you from Ten
Cups in Tokyo.
I sunk my boat today in Yokohama Harbour.
Otsukaresama deshita.
Hi, John and Adam.
Much love to you both and we're celebrating
Onosato's win to Yokozuna.
Yay!
Dame Astrid here.
Straight from Tokyo, here's Raven!

(03:15:57):
Raven now apparently has a job in Tokyo.
And Sir Mark also sent me pictures of
the meet-up.
Good-looking people.
There were so many night in Dame rings
it wasn't funny.
And Dame Astrid has a dynamite new hairdo.
It's short.
It looks fantastic.
I'm just saying that.
A promo sent in by Dirty Jersey Whore.

(03:16:19):
Way too long.
The East Texas June meet-up.
Let's listen how long we can stand it.
Y'all come on down to Rotolo's Pizzeria
in Longview, Texas for an extraordinary gathering of
minds.
Indeed, my dear friends, do allow me to
extend a most cordial invitation.
Prepare yourselves for we are orchestrating a rendezvous

(03:16:41):
that promises to be more delightful than a
perfectly brewed cup of Earl Grey on a
crisp morning.
Kindly mark your esteemed calendars for the 29th
of June at 3.33pm. This, I assure
you, is to be a most agreeable, unburdened,
and utterly no agenda short of gathering.
An opportunity for us to simply relax, exchange

(03:17:03):
pleasantries.
One might even anticipate a few spirited discussions.
Shall we say, conspiracy laced yawns over a
refreshing beverage.
You have to hit the gong when you're
tired of it.
There will be no grand pronouncements, no tiresome
pitches.
There it is.
There's the gong.
Two minutes of promo.

(03:17:24):
That's not a promo.
That's longer than I allow end of show
mixes.
Dirty Jersey lore.
30 seconds should be your goal.
Yeah, I think so.
30 seconds.
I think so too.
I think so too.
It was cute, but it's just too much.
Sorry.
Think of it as a TV ad.
Yeah.
They sell them in 30-second increments.
The one-minute ones are boring.
Yeah, this was two minutes.
Yeah.

(03:17:44):
Too long.
There is a meetup happening tomorrow.
Big Tom's Bar in Brussels.
Oh yes, we want to have the Soffits
in Brussels, Belgium meetup report.
Remember to include your server 6 o'clock
at last-minute meetup at Big Tom's Bar.
Can't wait to hear the report from that.
And on Sunday, our next show day, the
4th annual Louisiana Crawfish Boil.

(03:18:04):
2 o'clock is when it kicks off
at Shaw Acres.
You've got a RSVP for that one in
Prairieville, Louisiana.
Mary Moon is hosting that.
Sounds like that's going to be fun.
Coming up on the agenda, we have the
Copenhagen, Denmark meetup.
We have the Lazarus-Waadt-Culemborg meetup.
New York City.

(03:18:25):
This is on the 14th.
We've got Cannes in France on the 17th.
Who says we're not international?
Please, I want to have meetup reports from
all of these faraway places.
And you can schedule your own or find
out where these are at noagendameetups.com.
Go ahead, go check it out.
If you can't find one near you, you

(03:18:45):
must start one yourself.
It's a fact.
With all the nights and days You wanna
be where you won't be Triggered on hell's
flame You wanna be where everybody feels the
same It's like a party So have I

(03:19:07):
now detected Oh no, you do have one
ISO.
I thought that you were like on some
kind of strike because I didn't like the
the AI You don't like the good AI
ones even though you loved them for a
couple of months until you found out they
were AI.
You're an AI bigot.
Correct.
That would be me.

(03:19:27):
So you have a four second one?
That's a violation itself.
Says three seconds on my rundown.
I would like to introduce you to a
new brand of Angus beef.
Here's mine.
It is damn good storytelling.
Boom.

(03:19:47):
Do you like that one?
Yeah.
Okay, we'll use that one.
And right now ladies and gentlemen as we
round out the show it is time for
the famous John's tip of the day My
ISO is actually designed to kind of ridicule

(03:20:10):
Megyn Kelly and her advertising.
Oh my gosh she does so much of
it.
And a lot of it native or native
sounding.
Yes.
Yeah.
She's good at it.
I have to say she's just good.
She's good.
Megyn is good.
Her morning updates, I listen to that every
day.
I like her morning updates.

(03:20:31):
She's become like a little network of sorts.
A little network of sorts.
She's 5'6".
135 pounds.
Okay, so you've had these little lighter devices.
Scripto usually makes them.
You squeeze them and a little flame comes
out the top and you light your fireplace

(03:20:53):
fire.
No.
I just use a Zippo like all men.
You use a Zippo lighter for like a
cigarette lighter?
Yeah, Zippo baby.
You have to stick it in there.
It completely doesn't have a point.
Well anyway, most people have these Scriptos, these
lighters that they light barbecues with.
For example, if you use a Zippo lighter

(03:21:17):
to light a barbecue, if you soaked it
in some sort of flammable liquid, you'd blow
off your hand.
So anyway, don't buy the ones that you
normally get which have a little flame that
come out, but you click and it could
flame because it's wimpy.

(03:21:37):
You want to skip that.
Scripto also makes an obscure, more obscure, but
you can find them.
They're called a torch flame.
And it's literally it looks just like a
regular Scripto thing with the pointy end and
the little thing you click like that.

(03:21:58):
Only the flame is not like some wimpy
flame.
It's like a propane, butane thing that you
could weld with.
You can use, you can solder with this
thing.
It's an intense little flame.
It's dangerously so that could like burn through
stuff.
It's fabulous.

(03:22:18):
This is the way to go.
It's called a torch flame.
You can find them.
They do have them.
You have to almost look it up specifically
to find them.
They only sell them in onesies.
They're not in packs of three.
And you have to actually look for them.
And they vary in price, but they're about
the same price although I've seen them more
expensive.
They're about the same price as the wimpy
little lighter.

(03:22:39):
This is what you want.
Torch flame from Scripto.
Torch flame.
I'm looking it up here.
How big is this thing?
It's the normal size.
It's the size of every one of these
things.
They're all about the same size as the
regular Scripto lighter.
But this thing is what you want.
Wow.
That looks cool.
You can also do creme brulee with it.

(03:23:01):
Yes.
That's the cool thing.
But you can literally burn your initials in
the creme brulee.
There it is, ladies and gentlemen.
John C.
Dvorak Tip of the Day.
Look at all of them at tipoftheday.net.
Created by Dana Brunetti.

(03:23:23):
That's right.
Where would we be without Dana Brunetti?
We'd barely have a show without him.
He says he's going to do the diploma
The commencement speech?
Yeah.
I knew we could get him for that.
Well, he also has demands.
Great.
Oh.
It's a great get.
Well, he gets the honorary degree, which is

(03:23:46):
even worse than a regular degree.
But he has other demands.
All right.
Well, I'm sure we will buckle to his
demands because after all, he's Hollywood royalty.
On the way, if you listen to your
live stream, we have next on the No
Agenda stream, Complex Candor, which I'm not familiar
with this podcast.

(03:24:07):
Complexcandor.com.
The episode is titled Spirit.
And before that, you will hear outstanding end
of show mixes from Fletcher, from Vinnie Payne,
and Mellow D.
That's right.
And we'll be back on Sunday with more
media deconstruction for you coming to you right
now from the hill country of Texas, which

(03:24:27):
is where the lunches are held by the
ladies, and we learn a lot.
In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where everything I
said earlier is wrong, it's too windy here.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
We return on Sunday.
Please remember us at noagendadonations.com.
Until then, adios, mofos, a-hooey-hooey, and
such.

(03:24:50):
Adam Curry and John C.
Dvorak bringing it to you twice a week
as your mind is under attack from the
folks in the media that call themselves the
mainstream on the left and the right, but
it's all the same today.
The No Agenda Show with Adam Curry and
John C.
Dvorak, live every Sunday and Thursday 12 p
.m. 11 Central.

(03:25:12):
On noagendastream.com.
I've been in charge for these two gentlemen
right here.
They've been killing it for over 10 years.
Media fascination when your friends see you walking
in.

(03:25:34):
Then you can follow up with formula.org
slash n-a.
And that's the last motherfucking thing that I
am gonna say.
Dvorak.org slash n-a.

(03:25:57):
Dvorak.org Uhhhh
I'm down.
Thanks Obama.

(03:26:40):
What's that in your mouth?
It hasn't penetrated my...
Aggressive form of prostate cancer.
I'm sorry, but have you ever noticed the
use of the word aggressive form of cancer?
Aggressive.

(03:27:00):
Aggressive.
My bones are strong.
It hasn't penetrated.
Former President Joe Biden addressing his health for
the first time since being diagnosed with an
aggressive form of prostate cancer.

(03:27:21):
And he's started treatment.
I don't take any pills.
And for the next six months, I'm going
to another one.
He's at a Memorial Day service.
It hasn't penetrated my bones.
That's what he's literally saying.
I'm an American.
I'm an American.
He says, I'm an American.

(03:27:54):
The best podcast in the universe.
It is damn good storytelling.

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