1778 - "Three Holes One Bag" - No Agenda Show

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I don't understand why they don't think I'm
a girl.
Adam Curry, John C.
Devorah.
It's Thursday, July 3rd, 2025.
This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation Media
Assassination Episode 1778.
This is no agenda.
Counting the magic minutes and broadcasting live from
the heart of the Texas Hill Country here

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in FEMA Region Number 6 in the morning,
everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where all our
fireworks were destroyed.
I'm John C.
Devorah.
This is Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning.
Yeah, man, did you see that thing blow?
Yeah.
That was crazy.
Yeah.
You know, I have a firework explosion story

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from when I was, I want to say
11.
Well, before you tell the story, we should
mention what we're talking about.
You brought it up, you should mention it.
We have a warehouse, I guess, in Yolo
County, a little town.
Yolo.
And it blew up completely.
Taken out most of the fireworks.

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So half the fireworks displays in California won't
be happening.
Now it killed seven people, but the seven
people are just basically missing.
I didn't even know that part.
That sucks.
Yeah.
By missing, we mean...
Blown to smithereens.
Yeah, smithereens.
Yeah.
I think I was 11, and this is

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in Holland.
My, this was for, they don't have a
4th of July, obviously.
They do have New Year's.
And in the Netherlands, New Year's, everybody...
They don't have a 4th of July.
They go from July 3rd to July 5th.
They just skip right over it.
It's just done.
It's like they eliminated it from the calendar.
So New Year's Eve, of course, New Year's,

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they go nuts.
I mean, anyone's ever been in the Netherlands,
it's nuts.
And it's two weeks before and two weeks
after.
Everybody's just so jacked about their fireworks.
Because in good socialist manner, that's the only
time of the year when you can just
go nuts.
Everything else is shut up, slaves, sit down
and listen to what, do what you're told.

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So I was with a friend and his
family.
And they, this is like a little, kind
of like a vacation park where you have
little bungalows.
And so there were loft beds, and we
were up on the loft bed.
And of course, we had a box of
fireworks.
Like, yeah, yeah, let's take a look at
the fireworks.
We'd be looking at the fireworks, looking at
the firecrackers, you know, looking at them.
And it was me, my buddy, you know,

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11-year-old friend from school, and his
younger brother.
And so I'm like, hey, watch this.
And so I lit a little lady finger.
And I'm like, oh, pull the fuse out.
Well, of course, flash fuse.
Thing blows up right into the box of
fireworks.
And that stuff goes off.

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And it's mayhem in this little house.
It was a relatively small box.
And, you know, luckily some guys came in
and they, you know, they doused water on
it.
But the place was pretty much smoke-ridden
destroyed.
And we blamed it on the little brother.
And that was pretty awesome.
We got away with it mostly.

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But it kind of put me in a
different perspective of fireworks.
I'm not such a fan anymore.
And that's my story.
That's a decent story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I still usually didn't lose an eye.
No, no, no, no.
There's no injury.
But man, to this day, I still kind

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of feel bad about playing with the kids.
And we convinced them, like, yeah, yeah.
And I did that.
They were the worst.
So as we speak on this Thursday at
a little after one o'clock in the
Central Time Zone, the big beautiful bill is
being voted on.
Everyone's losing their health care.
We're all going to die.

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We're going to there's going to be no
money left.
We got the deficit for our children, our
grandchildren, our children's children.
You've got your four boxes up there.
Jeffrey's finally stopped talking.
Finally, finally.
So, so far, I think he set a
record.
He went nine hours or something.
Yuck, yuck.
Well, I actually got a an interesting analysis

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from CNN of all places about this magic
minute that he was going for.
Because apparently to go a little bit longer
than what was the Republican who did it
last?
What's his name?
He used to be speaker, the Speaker of
the House guy got kicked out.

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Come on.
McCarthy?
Yeah, McCarthy.
He went for eight hours and so many
minutes.
And this was the magic minute.
Will he make it longer?
But CNN had an uncharacteristically good analysis of
what is going on.
Because none of this is about the bill.
It's all about the midterms.

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It's all about the Democrats wanting to win
a majority in the Senate, in the House.
And no one cares about you, America.
This is the big secret.
Not the Republicans, not the Democrats.
They all care about winning in the midterms.
Seven hours and counting on the right side
of your screen.

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House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries still holding the
floor, delivering a marathon speech in opposition to
President Trump's massive agenda bill.
Republicans are poised to pass that bill despite
his efforts there.
But will Jeffrey's magic minute give Democrats some
renewed energy as they plot their course forward?

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That is certainly what they're hoping.
My panel is back.
Isaac, you have covered Hakeem Jeffries for-
A long time.
Many years.
Take us inside the strategy that we're seeing
play out right now.
Yeah, I think it's less important for him
to beat the Kevin McCarthy record here at
1.30 or whatever point he'll pass that
than what he actually has already achieved, which

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is that this vote was supposed to happen
between 6 and 8 a.m., when few
people would have been awake or paying attention
to it.
It will now happen at some point in
the middle of the day when more people
are paying attention to it.
And within that is an effort to really
specifically call out Republican members of Congress in

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districts that the Democrats are going to go
after quite hard next year.
It started yesterday.
The Democrats, before the voting began, did an
event on the steps of the Capitol.
And he's picked up on this in his
speech saying about Rob Bresnahan in Pennsylvania or
Young Kim in California.
These members that, again, they want to go

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after and saying these are the number of
their constituents that are going to lose their
health coverage, lose their nutritional assistance, all these
sorts of things.
And that, again, happening in the middle of
the day rather than before most people had
breakfast or were out of bed is what
the objective is.
Yes.

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The whole idea is to scare everybody that
you're going to lose your health care.
Hold on a second.
Do they think that anybody is, oh, we're
going to delay it till afternoon.
So more people.
Nobody's paid.
Nobody who who's who's the people they're talking
about that are going to be paying attention
in the afternoon and aren't going to be
paying attention at six in the morning?

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No, you're correct.
It's really because CNN doesn't want to have
to do all this crap in the middle
of the night.
Could you guys please move that to the
afternoon so we can grab our clips?
Then we don't want to have to get
up early.
And that's more like it.
Yes, of course.
And here is even play some a little
mini cut of the clips we shall discuss.
OK, so you mentioned some of the what

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they consider the moderate Republicans that they are
going after.
I want to play kind of a mashup
of some of what we are hearing from
the past.
It's called a super clip, a super cut
or a mini cut.
In your case, it's not a mashup.
Seven hours of mashup.
Listen carefully to one example of exactly what
Isaac was talking about.
His fellow New Yorker Nick Lulota, who is

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a Republican from who knows if it's a
swing district, but they certainly hope so in
the Democratic Party.
Listen, I'm going to take my time and
ensure that the American people fully understand how
damaging this bill will be to their quality
of life as a result of the lack.

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Of health care that will result directly from
this one big, ugly bill, people in America,
by the way, weak, is that all you
could come up with is big, ugly bill.
That's the only you couldn't come up with
a better acronym of health care that will
result directly from this one big, ugly bill.

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People in America will die on necessary.
Mr. Speaker, in New York's first congressional district,
represented by our colleague, Congressman Nick Lulota, people
will die.
Approximately 50,000 will die.
New Yorkers will lose their health care.

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It's a crime scene.
It's a crime scene.
Going after the health and the safety and
the well-being of the American people.
And Mr. Speaker, we want no part of
it.
No one, no part of the crime scene.
So the whole idea is you're going to
die.
And this and this works, by the way.
You know, I thought it was more fun
personally when I think when Mitt Romney was

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running, when it was or when it was
the midterm and like, they're going to kill
granny.
And then, you know, the the commercials of
Republicans pushing an old granny in a wheelchair
off the cliff, that was great.
That was creative.
This is just in.
But of course, as even CNN will point
out, this is all about the clips.

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So I totally take your point about him
wanting this to be a vote in the
light of day and not early in the
morning and about these stories to be playing
out.
But we all know how people consume information.
It's about clips.
So now they are building a set of
clips with all of these examples, which I
am sure we will see in various places
to try to make.

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Where's the mashup?
That was that was the mashup with a
mashup.
She placed two lone clips or even one
that three, three.
It was three.
It was no good.
It was not a mashup.
It was nothing.
It was crap.
That was from earlier because they had to
have the intern do it because no one
wants to work early.
So they're hoping to get some stuff done

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around noon, will you?
So we can get it done then.
Lives a little bit more difficult.
Right.
I think what happens after the bill passes
is the president and his allies have to
sell the bill and Democrats have to continue
what they've been doing.
They have actually done a relatively good job.
Again, it's not about the bill.
It's about the midterms.

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Despite their many challenges right now, but Democrats
have actually done a relatively good job of
driving the message, which is a fairly easy
message to drive that this is a tax
cut for the rich that will take benefits
away from the poor.
And they are selling that.
It is showing up in polling.
The president and his team have to figure

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out how to say, no, that's not it.
This is a working class tax cut.
And the thing about our information environment is
it's going to take repetition.
It's going to take repetition for the Democrats.
It's going to take repetition from President Trump
and Republicans.
President Trump does have the advantage of being
sort of a broken record.
He's very good at repetition and was talking

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to a Republican consultant today who said, yeah,
you're going to hear him talking about this
a lot.
So it's so obvious what they want to
do here because these things don't even go
into effect until in fact until after the
midterms.
So they're going you're going to be this
is going to be thrown at us day
in, day out.

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They're taking away your nutritional benefits.
They're taking away your Medicaid.
You're going to die.
Your health care, your health care.
I mean, we can discuss we can talk.
We can let the other side talk on
NPR, the New York Republican.
I also did just go through the bill
and not just the the health care parts.

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But there's a lot of other interesting stuff
in there.
I'm sure there's more interesting stuff in there
that they're never going to talk about.
Oh, yes.
I mean, if you just want to understand
the Medicaid provisions and man, there was so
much so many psyops going on, the Democrats
introduced some kind of crazy amendment that's you

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know, that that would keep illegals on the
on Medicaid.
And it was like it was worded.
It was worded in a way that when
the amendment got voted down, it looked like
the Republicans wanted to have illegal immigrants on
Medicaid.
And there were some like the former Newsweek

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lady.
What's her name?
Batch of it.
She forget her name.
She was like, I can't believe it.
I can't believe the Republicans want to have
illegal immigrants and health care.
I'm just going on and on.
And they fell for it.
It was then Roseanne.
They fell for it.
Well, before you do your analysis, I have
the clips from NPR.

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Oh, the one with the Republican from New
York?
No, no.
OK, all right.
No, these are no, I do.
I have this.
I have four clips from NPR.
One is the update, but then it's followed
by three clips where they brought in experts
to slam the bill, slam it, rail against
it.
And there was no again on NPR.

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There was no balance.
There was nobody on the other side saying,
well, there's this the good side is this,
this and this.
No, no, no, no.
It was just slam, slam, slam, slam, slam,
which is, you know.
And by the way, in between all that,
they keep playing this.
They keep playing this one NPR missive about,

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oh, my God, they're taking our money away.
They say that we're biased.
Oh, let's play this right off the bat
to start to start this thing of this
public media funding lament this.
They play this every hour.
And on NPR, the House of Representatives has
approved a White House request to claw back
two years of previously approved funding for public

(14:31):
media.
The rescissions package now moves on to the
Senate.
This move poses a serious threat to local
stations and public media as we know it.
Please take a stand for public media today
at go ACPR dot org.
Thank you.
Hey, do you have that xylophone still?
Plum, plum, plum, plum, plum.

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Don't you have a xylophone somewhere?
I never had a xylophone.
I thought you or someone something.
Oh, no.
I know what you mean.
Yeah.
That little electronic device.
Yeah.
The batteries are dead.
OK.
The batteries are dead.
You know, it's just the way it goes.
Yeah.
So that so they're playing this all.
It's supposedly 1 percent.

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And they're whining about this 1 percent.
OK.
What's the what's that website address at the
end?
ACPR dot org.
Go ACPR.
ACPR.
Go ACPR.
Go ACPR.
That's not a that's it was confused.
Oh, here's public radio is fighting to survive.

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We need to.
Oh, it just changed.
American Coalition for Public Radio.
Oh, oh, go take action.
I'm taking action.
Public action is in jeopardy, is in jeopardy.
Who are these?
Who are these guys in jeopardy?
Jeopardy 1 percent.
If this if they said they told us
it was 1 percent.

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Yes.
So how does that make it in jeopardy?
I'm taking action.
I don't care what you say.
I'm taking action.
Dear lawmaker, public radio brings music, the arts
and local culture into our homes.
We don't need any of that.
We got the Internet.
We got tick tock.
Cutting funding would erase programs that enrich your
communities and support creative voices.

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Tick tock people with blue hair.
Please protect the federal funding that makes this
possible.
Oppose rescission.
Rescission.
Rescission.
What an odd word.
Rescission.
Why was that?
Rescission.
Rescission.
The act of rescinding the cancellation of a
contract.
Rescission.

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That's not great marketing.
Oppose rescission today and save local.
Local public radio.
Oh, you can submit a video message.
Yes.
This is a break the glass moment.
Says that.
Yeah.
Public radio faces the biggest threat in its
history.
One percent.

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One percent.
They said so themselves.
Share a personalized message voicing your support now.
Oh, just so you know, the proposal to
eliminate federal funding, including a new plan to
rescind previously approved funding, threaten to dismantle the
very infrastructure that keeps 99 percent of Americans

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informed, safe and connected.
I dispute that.
I would say the Internet keeps 99 percent
of Americans misinformed, safe and connected.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Okay.
So, well, that was fun.
I'm glad you caught that.
So we can skip the update and go

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to the slams.
Slam.
Okay.
This will be BBB updates.
Slam one.
Policy bill passed the Senate.
It's now being considered in the House.
It would cut trillions of dollars in taxes,
mostly for the well off to help offset
that.
It would also make the biggest cuts to
the social safety net in decades.
Is that a class?

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The well off?
Is that if you're well, I haven't heard
that term probably for 20 years.
The well off.
That is kind of interesting.
The well off.
The well, you know, well to do.
Yes.
The rich.
The well off.
You're well off.
Hey, boy, you're well off.
You mean like Brook Gladstone, who makes $370
,000 a year just for hosting This American

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Life?
Once a week show?
No, no, it's not Brook Gladstone.
That's, is that Brook Gladstone?
No, Brook Gladstone does it on the media.
Yeah, yeah.
Who does This American Life?
She makes $370,000 a year just for
hosting that show.
And that's good money.
It's great money.
That's what you want that 1% for.

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You know what you are when you have
that kind of money?
Well off is what I would say.
You're well off.
You're well off, yes.
Policy bill passed the Senate.
It's now being considered in the House.
It would cut trillions of dollars in taxes,
mostly for the well off to help offset
that.
It would also make the biggest cuts to
the social safety net in decades.
Hold on, stop.
So if everybody's paying taxes and taxes are

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cut by, like, let's say 2%, it's going
to benefit the richest people the most because
they're paying the most taxes.
Which is logical.
Oh, why are you trying to refute this?
This is not even, this is beneath you.
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry for interrupting my
own clip.
This is beneath you.

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It's to things like food aid.
And here's Jennifer Ludden.
To walk us through the latest.
Hi there.
Hi there.
Jennifer, NPR has reported a lot on changes
to Medicaid, which provides health care for some
70 million low-income elderly and disabled Americans.
That's you, John.
Scaling it back has been controversial even among
congressional Republicans.

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Can you just briefly explain to us what's
included in the Senate bill?
Please.
Right, and with the reminder, as you said,
lawmakers in both chambers still have to agree
on one version.
But the Senate version would cut Medicaid spending
even more than the House had by about
a trillion dollars.
Now, it's mainly through a new requirement that
people would have to work at least 80
hours a month unless they're exempt.

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And over all the- Stop.
Okay, that's a lie.
Must work, volunteer, or attend school for at
least 80 hours a month.
That's not just must work.
Yep, yep, yep.
That is lying by omission.
Lying by omission, I tell you.
Yep.
By the way- Good catch.
Yes.
The House version, which I have no idea

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what's going on here, exempts parents of dependent
children, seniors, and people with disabilities.
All you.
So you're exempt.
That people would have to work at least
80 hours a month unless they're exempt.
And over all, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office
says this package could cause nearly 12 million
people to lose health insurance over the next

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decade.
So in my clips, we'll get to the
CBO.
Which is, of course, a lot of people.
I want to turn to some of the
safety net cuts that haven't gotten as much
attention, like food benefits.
Tell us what could happen there.
Yes, yes.
So more than 40 million people get food
stamps, as they're known, or SNAP.
It's the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

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It would lose 20% of its funding,
and that's the largest cut in its history.
Now, this is also partly from a change
to its existing work requirement.
The Senate bill bumps up the age people
have to work by a decade, until age
65.
And parents who used to be exempt would
now have to work if their kids were
14 or older.
Now, as with Medicaid, one concern is that

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people would run into red tape trying to
prove they're working.
The CBO estimates this change could push more
than 2 million people off food aid.
It's incredible what they're doing here.
When I was 14, I was a latchkey
kid.
My mom worked.
My dad worked.
Oh, boo.
Oh, if you have 14-year-old kids,

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let them roam the streets like ragamuffins, like
ruffians.
Ragamuffin is another good one.
Let them roam the streets.
So you're getting the idea that this is
not a balanced presentation.
I think you're correct.
I think you're correct, yes.
This is why they're getting their funding pulled,
because the taxpayer should not be paying for

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biased presentations like this.
I bitch about this constantly.
To be fair, the clips that I have
from NPR do represent the other side, even
though the host is hemming and hawing throughout
it.
Well, there's a difference between finding what you
found and somebody just making a straight-up

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presentation with no pushback.
Yes.
In other words, it's not giving us any
perspective whatsoever.
Fox News is fair and balanced.
Fox News is not much better.
But I don't think Fox News takes government
money.
Maybe they do.
Who knows?
Fox News, well, not that I know of
either.
Yes, you might be right.
Okay, onward.

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Okay.
Now, a couple more things, Fun Food Aid.
The spending package makes it harder for states
to waive these work requirements, and conservatives have
long argued that it's just too easy.
You've got entire states where they're waived.
The Senate bill says you could only get
a waiver if you live in a place
with an unemployment rate above 10 percent, so
quite high.
And finally, for the first time, the federal

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government would not pay for all food aid.
Most states would have to chip in, which
sounds like a really big change for states.
So how does that work?
Yeah, it's tied to how much states have
over or underpaid for SNAP.
Researchers say these error rates are mostly unintentional,
but it would mean that most states would
now have to pick up between 5 and
15 percent of food aid costs.

(23:42):
Holy moly.
The left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy
Priorities says this undermines the whole guarantee that
people in need should get food aid no
matter where they live.
And she says if states faced a budget
crunch, they might shrink their SNAP program or
even opt out altogether.
So this is really a proposal that fundamentally
changes the structure of SNAP, jeopardizes food assistance

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for millions of low-income families.
This is the same as you won't have
access to vaccines.
It's exactly the same thing.
And saying health care is like health care
insurance.
It's payment for health care.
You can get health care.
You can go in any emergency room.
You will not be turned away, unfortunately.
This is a very contentious point.

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What do you mean, unfortunately?
You want people dropping dead in the streets?
Well, I speak to firefighters all the time,
and they are obligated at a 911 call
to go and help these people.
It's by law, regardless of what it is.
And it's like, well, I'm, you know, I
need an aspirin.
And, you know, it's literally, could you go

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to the, could you grab my cigarettes from
the table there?
I'm too obese to get up.
And if it is anything beyond what they
have in their kit, I don't even think
they can give them an aspirin.
They have to take them to the emergency
room.
That is enshrined in state law everywhere.
That's the problem.
That's the problem.
That is one of many problems.

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Firefighters know this, and while doing their job,
they get shot at and killed.
So this is dandy.
And could end SNAP as a nationwide program.
Jennifer, I want to ask you about something
that got quite a bit of attention for
reducing poverty temporarily during the coronavirus pandemic, which
is the federal child tax credit.
Any big changes there?

(25:30):
I guess they're not as big as some
were calling for during the 2024 election, including
now Vice President J.D. Vance.
The Senate bill does boost the tax credit
from $2,000 per child to $2,200,
and that would rise with inflation.
But unlike during the pandemic, lawmakers did not
expand this to include the lowest income families.

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And currently, they don't qualify for that full
credit because they just don't earn enough.
And also, SNAP had a huge industry lobby
against proposed changes.
I have not seen, well, I have not,
if I saw it, it didn't stick with
me.
The carbonated drinks, fizzy drinks, the Coca-Colas

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of the world put together a huge lobby
against taking soft drinks off of SNAP, which
is kind of a logical thing that, no,
you shouldn't be able to buy this with
your supplemental nutrition payments.
Yeah, you shouldn't be buying cola.
And in fact, I don't think we talked

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about it much, if at all, but they
had a huge influencer campaign, which included a
lot of conservative podcasters and influencers who all
took money to say, oh, no, no, you
shouldn't do this.
You know, really, we need to have this
on SNAP.
I'm paraphrasing.
Oh, yeah, it was a huge thing.
And then a couple got outed.

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And then all these other conservative, right-leaning
influencers and podcasters went, yeah, I'm really sorry
I took that money.
I shouldn't have done that.
Then it was thousands of dollars in some
cases.
Oh, yeah, this is the dirty side of
politics.
That's a scandal what you just said.
Yeah, well.

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Podcasters selling out.
What?
Gambling?
All right, slam three.
Yeah.
Sophie Collier is with the Center on Poverty
and Social Policy at Columbia University.
And she says for her, this really reflects
the overall tilt of this tax and spending

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package in favor of the wealthy.
Even this small provision that is kind of
meant to help families is not reaching the
children and families where it could do the
most good, where that $200 actually could be
more meaningful.
Jennifer, I'll let you have the last word
here.
Anything else we should note?
Yes, another key change to the child tax

(27:54):
credit.
At least one parent now would need a
Social Security number.
And Collier says by one estimate, that could
disqualify 2.6 million children who are U
.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents.
And I should just add there are provisions
in the package that would also cut federal
health care and food benefits for some immigrants
with legal status.

(28:15):
All right.
So that's really what it comes down to.
Most of this is blue states.
I'll just run through it quickly.
So yes, adults age 19 to 64 enrolled
in Medicaid through the Affordable Care Act expansion,
which is the expansion to states.
You have to work, volunteer, or attend school
for at least 80 hours if you're eligible.

(28:37):
And exemptions are pregnant women, caregivers of children
under 14, et cetera.
Here's a big one.
The states will have to verify compliance every
30 days.
Well, we can't have that.
Then we have the CBO estimate savings, which
you can take or leave, increased eligibility, redetermination.

(29:00):
So that's the verifying ACA expansion enrollees.
See, the states got all this extra money
to expand Medicare and they gave it Medicaid
and they gave it mostly to illegal immigrants.
And that's what this is cutting out.
And so now the states will have to
impose a copayment of $35.

(29:22):
Okay.
So I'm not downplaying $35 as being a
lot or not, but it's hardly you're dead.
And then the bill limits states' ability to
impose taxes on health care providers.
And I'm not quite sure whose side that

(29:43):
comes from or what that's about.
I'm not sure.
That's probably just to screw Democrat states, no
doubt.
Then there's new requirements to include monthly verification
to ensure providers aren't excluded from other state
Medicaid programs because there's a lot of double
dipping going on.
And then there's the specific restrictions, gender affirming

(30:07):
care, Planned Parenthood, et cetera.
So that's really what is in there about
Medicaid.
And if you look, well, to be fair
and to be fair and balanced, let's get
the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez version of this big,
beautiful bill.
President Trump, you're either being lied to or

(30:29):
you are lying to the American people because
this bill represents in the text of this
bill, the largest and greatest loss of health
care in American history.
Seventeen million Americans will lose their health care.
This is great.
I mean, it's always been 11.

(30:50):
I've heard 12.
But AOC has 17 now.
It started actually around five.
Somebody documented a jacking up every time somebody
next guy talks, they top the last one.
This is great.
History.
And she was she was she was swinging
her hips and she was she was getting
mad.
Seventeen million Americans will lose their health care

(31:12):
on this bill.
Not undocumented people, not, quote, unquote, the disgusting
term illegal, but 17 million.
Disgusting term illegal.
What?
Why is that disgusting?
Why is that disgusting?
Because no person can be illegal.
Oh, that's right.
No, no, no human.
No human is illegal.
No human can be illegal.

(31:33):
Unquote.
The disgusting term illegal.
But 17 million Americans will have their health
care Americans from this bill on this point
of tax on tips as one of the
only people in this body who has lived
off of tips.
I want to tell you a little bit
about the scam.
That's pretty telling if that's true.

(31:55):
If she is the only person in this
body who lived on tips.
Let's let's face reality.
That's probably not true.
But but I'd like to know how the
Democrats, when they turn on a dime on
this, have suddenly forgotten that Kamala made a
big stink about.
Yes.
No tax on tips.
She introduced it to her platform.

(32:16):
The Democrats accept it as a platform item.
But now they're pushing it back on it.
Well, what so you're telling me they were
insincere earlier?
I think so.
As one of the by the way, the
bill just passed the House.
Only people in this body who has lived
off of tips.
I want to.
But I guess the reason we're doing this
is so that people understand because this doesn't

(32:36):
come into effect until December of twenty twenty
six.
So and that's for a reason.
This is all going to be midterm jockeying
for position.
Yeah, it's fodder.
It's total fodder.
As one of the only people in this
body who has lived off of tips.
I want to tell you a little bit
about the scam of that text, a little
bit of the fine print there.

(32:58):
The cap on that is twenty five thousand
dollars.
That's true.
That is the cap on taxing your tips
up to twenty five thousand dollars that she
has.
That number.
Correct.
While you're jacking up taxes on people who
make less than fifty thousand dollars across the
United States.
That I don't see.

(33:19):
I don't see where people making less than
fifty thousand dollars will be paying more in
taxes.
I have not seen.
I don't.
That's the first I've heard of that.
I've heard of it.
While taking away their snap, while taking away
their Medicaid, while taking kicking them off of
the ACA and their health care extension.
No.
So if you're at home and you're living
off tips, you do the math.

(33:41):
Hold on, get your calculator.
I got to do the math.
Is that not allowed to do your own
math and research?
Worth it to you losing all your health
care, not able to feed, feed your babies,
not being able to put a diaper on
their bottom.
It specifically says if you have babies or
one on the way, you're not going to
get kicked off of anything.

(34:02):
So that's just not true.
Losing life.
That's a lie.
Your health care, not able to feed, feed
your babies, not being able to put a
diaper on their bottom in exchange for what?
What?
This bill is a deal with the devil.
The devil.
Explodes our national debt.
Militarizes our entire economy and it strips away.

(34:24):
By the way.
OK, first, let me just back up because
I've read most of this.
Not all, but I've read most of it.
The important parts, I think I've got.
So let's see this.
Explodes our national debt.
Actually, it reduces our national debt.
And I think I can show that over
10 years.
And of course, there's a big piece of
it where we're going to we're going to
grow faster than the debt.

(34:46):
OK, sure.
OK, with President Trump, maybe, maybe.
I don't know.
It militarizes our entire economy.
Yes, that is correct.
It will militarize our entire economy.
And that is what every economy in the
world is doing right now, because the green.
The entire economy.
So when I go to the Monterey Foods
to buy mushrooms.
That's your militarizing.

(35:07):
I'm militarizing the mushroom grower.
What are you talking about?
No, there's a lot of money for military
industrial complex.
No, she said entire economy.
I know.
But but there's there's 30 million people minimum
in this in this deal now.
So she's not she's exaggerating.
But there is some truth to it.

(35:27):
The whole world is.
That's our new industrial base.
Yeah, well, dude, she and that's this is
new.
Well, no economy.
And it strips away health care and basic
dignity of the American people for what?
No, it doesn't strip away.
Give Elon Musk a tax break.

(35:48):
This Elon Musk hates the bill.
Elon Musk says it's a five trillion dollar
spending bill.
He's gone all the way.
It was two trillion, three trillion.
Now, Elon Musk is five trillion dollars.
Do the math at home, people to give
my calculator doesn't go to trillion.
Hold on a minute.
So she's basically not keeping tabs on the

(36:12):
political situation as Elon Musk.
No big mistake.
This is a big mistake.
She should have said even Elon Musk is
embarrassed.
That's what she should have.
She should have gone with that.
Yeah.
Or or mention some other evil person that,
you know, gets getting the tax break, the
Trump family or anything.
But Elon Musk.

(36:33):
Yeah.
Fox News, the Murdochs, anything.
Yeah.
The Murdoch.
Oops.
I'm sorry.
They're our side.
Basic dignity of the American people for what?
To give Elon Musk a tax break and
billionaires, the greedy taking of our nation.
We cannot stand for it and we will
not support it.

(36:53):
You should be ashamed.
Ashamed, ashamed, ashamed.
All right.
So I'm going to play these quick clips
here.
This is the New York representative, Mike Lawler.
I didn't even know New York had a
Republican representing them.
But they do apparently.
And he goes on NPR and he says,
you know, CBO is wrong.

(37:15):
Over the next decade, we're projected to spend
86 trillion dollars as a country, federal government.
And we're talking about one point six trillion
in savings over the course of the 10
years.
That amounts to about one point eight percent
of overall spending.
So, you know, as we start to bend
the curve with two trillion dollar deficit, I

(37:36):
love, you know, everybody bending it like Beckham.
We're we're not reducing the deficit.
We're bending the curve.
You see, I'm bending the curve.
So this is like a kind of a
take on a flat curve.
Yes.
So now they're going to bend the curve,
the curve of overall spending.
So, you know, as we start to bend

(37:58):
the curve with two trillion dollar deficits, you
know, everybody, Republicans and Democrats need to get
serious about tackling our debt.
Let me just jump in here.
The Congressional Budget Office found that the spending
bill would add roughly three trillion dollars to
the deficit over the next decade.
So to your mind, are you concerned about
growing the nation said it sounds like you

(38:18):
are.
What should be done?
So CBO has consistently been wrong in its
pronouncements, including seven years ago when they undercut
revenue by a trillion dollars on the Tax
Cuts and Jobs Act, which we now know
has produced the largest revenue that the federal
government has ever seen.

(38:39):
The question is, how do we start to
right size our spending where we're running two
trillion dollar deficits?
And what you're seeing is over 10 years,
a reduction in spending by one point six
trillion dollars.
You're going to see economic growth, you know,

(39:02):
two, three, four percent.
By the way, two, three, four percent is,
you know, there's a 100 percent difference in
those numbers.
So two to four is a big difference.
But OK, for the life of the bill,
which is going to be critical, grow our
economy and start to move things in the
right direction, reducing our deficits and reining in

(39:25):
our debt.
This is a big challenge and something that's
going to require both parties just to really
focus on this coming decade.
Chomping at the bit here.
Chomp.
OK, but what about all the people who
are going to die?
I want to just jump in here because
earlier you mentioned some of the concerns that
you've been discussing, including those around health care
and Medicaid.
And she talked.
Hold on, back it off.
She's very animated.
She is a fast talker.

(39:47):
Yes, this is Juana Summers.
Juana Summers.
Bring back, you know, Scott Simon's being inducted
into the Radio Hall of Fame.
Did you know that?
What first first diction?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Let's go back.
Where are we?
I want to just jump in here because
earlier you mentioned some of the concerns that
you've been discussing, including those around health care

(40:08):
and Medicaid.
And there are estimates, according to CBO, that
maybe they're all doing coke at NPR these
days.
I don't know this possible.
Twelve million people will lose health care coverage,
including Medicaid coverage.
If this bill becomes law, Congressman Lawler, given
that roughly a quarter of the people in
your district in New York, some 200,000
people are on Medicaid.
That's according to KFF.

(40:29):
I'm going to die.
Are you concerned about what the cuts enshrined
in this legislation would mean to the people
who live in your district?
Please, again, let's actually focus what's in the
bill and not what is the Democrat talking
point.
The fact is that you have eligibility verification,
making sure that people who are not supposed
to be collecting Medicaid benefits are no longer

(40:51):
receiving those benefits that they're not entitled to.
Second is citizenship verification to make sure that
illegal immigrants are not collecting Medicaid benefits.
Right now you have 1.4 million illegal
immigrants collecting Medicaid benefits.
That is wrong, fundamentally.
And third is work requirements.
You have nearly 4 million people who are

(41:12):
able-bodied adults without dependent children who are
refusing to work.
They should be trying to get a job,
to get employment, to go to school or
to volunteer upwards of 80 hours a month.
That's about 20 hours a work week to
help get into the workforce, participate in the

(41:35):
workforce, and ultimately help themselves because they may
be able to get an employer-based health
care plan long-term or be able to
purchase on the open market.
But the objective here is to sustain this
program for the long-term for those who
need it and those who are eligible for
it.
She's just all like...

(41:56):
Last one.
And you have seen, and this is important,
even with these changes, Medicaid spending is going
to go up 24% over the next
decade.
24%.
So when we're talking about how to strengthen
the system, this is not about gutting the
system.
This is about protecting it for those who
need it.
But it's not about that.

(42:17):
It's all about the midterms.
Would you like to hear a few other
things that are in this big, beautiful bill
that just passed?
Just a quick little rundown, as we have
done so often on the No Agenda Show,
which your NPR local station will not do.
What?
I'm saying...
Yes.
Ships!
Big, beautiful ships!

(42:38):
Ships.
Yeah, right off the top, baby.
$250 million for ships!
That's nothing.
Ships.
Well, this is going to be tiny ships,
but they'll be beautiful ships.
They got to be pretty tiny because some
of those new class ships...
But wait, there's $450 million for additive manufacturing
for wire production and machining capacity for shipbuilding

(43:01):
industrial base.
$492 million for next generation shipbuilding techniques.
85 techniques.
I got a technique for you.
Wow.
That's a scam.
$500 million for the adoption of advanced manufacturing
techniques in the shipbuilding industry.
There's a lot of money for it.
So basically...
Oh, there's another...

(43:22):
Oh, this is good.
$4.6 billion for second Virginia class submarines
in 2026.
One year is a lot for a sub.
$5.4 billion for additional guided missile destroyer
ships.
Then we have a billion dollars for the
border for deployment of military personnel.
And we have $1.142.5 billion for

(43:45):
the Coast Guard side.
Can I ask a question?
Yes.
Trump shut the border down.
There's nobody coming over.
Well, we're still going to spend $46.5
billion for the wall, but don't worry, Mexico's
paying for that one.
So we can just put that aside.
So wait, nobody's coming over as we speak.
Yeah, I'm just telling you...

(44:09):
Because it seems to be working just fine
the way it is with the expenditures that
are currently being used to stop the people
from coming over because they're not coming over
at all.
It sounds like a jobs program because it's
construction, installation, access roads, barrier system, et cetera.
Here's my favorite.
Gee, what are the chances that you'd have...

(44:32):
And by the way, since my point that
I just made, why don't the Democrats make
that point?
Because the only thing they have is you're
going to die.
I don't think that's the reason.
Because to make that point, they have to
admit that Biden could have done the same

(44:52):
thing.
Yeah, well, there is your good point.
Guess what's in here?
What did we hear for the past two
months?
Oh, oh no, Newark Airport.
Oh no, oh no.
Fiber optics, yeah.
I see $4.7 billion for telecommunications infrastructure,

(45:15):
$3 billion for radar systems, $500 million for
runway safety technologies.
Whatever that is.
It's a guy with an orange vest.
No, a guy with a horn telling the
birds to get off the runway.
$1.9 billion for necessary actions to construct

(45:36):
a new air routes traffic control center.
So now you see how it works.
That is the sausage being made.
Create a big fuss about something that all
of our air traffic controllers say, it's been
that way forever.
We work around it nine times a day.
But okay, I'm sure everybody's happy.
I'm not against it, obviously.

(45:57):
But the PSYOP was mean.
Gas and oil leases.
So we got a lot of, like the
Gulf of America, Gulf of America leases for
oil.
Coal mining.
Access to coal reserves in adjacent state or

(46:19):
private land without authorization could not be mined
economically.
Federal coal reserves located in federal land subject
to a mining plan previously approved.
Timber on public domain forest reserves will be
sold off.
There's an amount here, 250 million board feet.
Renewable energy.
This is fun.

(46:40):
100% fees for solar energy generation facility
and 10% for wind generation.
So if you are selling your land or
leasing your land for solar panels, you will
have a fee of 100% of something.
We're going to up the petroleum reserve.
The American Science Cloud.

(47:01):
This is my favorite.
Transformational artificial intelligence models.
Yeah, baby.
The cloud means a system of United States
government academic and private sector programs and infrastructure
utilizing cloud computing technologies to facilitate and support
scientific research.
Dad, I thought we were cutting off all

(47:23):
research.
Well, no.
Turns out the American Science Cloud will be
a thing.
Then we do have a lot of things
for.
That sounds like a boondoggle.
That's for for all the tech bros.
That's what they got.
Everyone gets something in this.
Not us.
What about the podcasting provisions?

(47:44):
I haven't seen it.
Committee on Environment and Public Works.
So recession of funding for clean, heavy duty
vehicles.
Goodbye.
Repeal of greenhouse gas reduction fund.
Goodbye.
Recession of funding for diesel emissions reductions.
Goodbye.
Recession of funding to address air pollution.
Recession of funding to address air pollution at

(48:06):
schools.
Recession of.
What?
Yeah, just air pollution at school.
Suck it up, kids.
There's air pollution everywhere.
You might die.
Recession of funding for the low emissions electricity
program.
Oops.
Recession of funding for Section 211 of the
Clean Air.
It just goes on and on and on.
So this is all taking away the Green

(48:26):
New Deal.
Then we have the child tax credit, which
will be tied to a Social Security number.
This is so now for every kid you
get a.
But how does a tax credit not get
tied to a Social Security number?
I'm going to ask you right now.
When we have a Democrat president in Congress,
then it's just it's a free for all,
I guess.

(48:49):
So that goes.
Tax credit is a credit on your income
taxes.
Am I not mistaken?
Yeah, but you know.
And don't you have to have a Social
Security number to even file?
No, that's not true.
As a illegal immigrant, you can get a
you get a tax ID number, which is
not a Social Security.
OK, it's a good point.
Good point.
You got it.
So this is tied specifically to SSN, and

(49:12):
it's going to be twenty two hundred dollars
per child.
Let me see.
Oh, here you go, John.
Good news.
Extension and enhancement of increased estate and gift
tax exemption amounts.
This is what the billionaires get.
So you can now leave.
You were allowed to leave five million dollars
to your heirs.

(49:33):
But you, of course, need the higher amount
of 15 million.
So that's good.
That really affects me.
Here, kid is a watch.
Good luck with it.
I got a watch.
At least you're under the number.
No tax on tips for any taxable year.
So not exceed twenty five thousand low ceiling

(49:56):
for no tax on overtime.
That will be so not exceed twelve and
a half thousand.
Then we have the Trump accounts.
Hold on a second.
There's another thing I'm complaining about.
Yeah, they were saying that there's going to
be no tax on tips, no tax on
overtime and no tax on Social Security.

(50:17):
Yeah.
No, that's just not true.
The old oldsters on the Social Security thing.
What happened to that?
What happened to that?
I think I actually get to that down
a little bit further.
It's not not too much further.
What I have the Trump accounts that I
think is the the baby, the baby bonus.

(50:37):
And I don't even see an amount here.
Oh, it's.
Baby doesn't say, oh, I like this one.
Spaceports and airports.
Spaceports will be treated like airports under exempt
facility bond rules.
I'm not sure what that means.
Spaceports.

(50:57):
Well, these guys are getting pretty aggressive with
things that that's I think that that is
actually a Bezos and and Musk benefit, I
think.
But I'm not sure.
Oh, yeah.
When they put their spaceports up, we'll be.
Yes.
So here here's one that that got in
there that for some reason no one's talking

(51:18):
about excise tax based on investment income of
private colleges and universities.
Hey, now.
Tax impose hereby impose the tax on each
applicable educational institution, Harvard, Columbia, et cetera, for
the taxable year, a tax equal to the
applicable percentage of the net investment come income

(51:40):
of such institution.
One point four percent in the case of
an institution with a student adjusted endowment of
at least half a million, not in excess
of seven hundred fifty thousand four percent in
the case of an institution with a student
adjusted endowment in excess of seven fifty not
to exceed two million and eight percent in

(52:01):
in case of the institution with a student
adjusted endowment in excess of two million.
So that's the big boys.
That sounds like all the big boys all
of a sudden went from no tax to
eight percent.
I can't imagine why they're mad at Trump.
Well, that.
Well, again, I think your original point, which

(52:23):
is why hasn't anyone said anything about this
because they can bitch and moan because they're
in they're in the fund.
There's I think it has to do with.
Whining about their situation, it sounds like they're,
you know, it's like NPR whining about losing
their one percent, it draws attention to the

(52:45):
problem.
Ah, that's a good point.
Vetting of sponsors.
This is good.
So if we're going to the Office of
Refugee Resettlement, the so if you're going to.
Oh, this is interesting.
You're going to have kids a very long.
I'm not going to read all of it,
but they will have to.
Vet the sponsors for unaccompanied alien.

(53:07):
Yes.
In other words, the ending that is what
it's doing.
We're ending that nonsense.
They're ending the vetting.
No, no, we're ending the not people weren't
vetted.
Yeah, no, they were just giving them to
two pimps.
Yeah.
So we're ending that nonsense.
Now these people will be the coyotes.
Then we have asylum fee.

(53:29):
Here we go.
In addition to any other fee authorized by
law, if you want to request and file
for asylum, you will pay one hundred dollars.
That doesn't nickel and diming them to death.
And if you want to be paroled into
the US, that will cost you a thousand
dollars.
So it's setting a bar.

(53:50):
And you can get citizenship for five to
five million if you buy one of those
gold cards.
I wonder if that's in there.
I haven't seen it yet.
And then there's extension of radioactive leukemia related
to atmospheric atom bomb tests.
So we're going to pay people some some
some money for that, as well as people

(54:11):
who were kind of screwy, were harmed from
uranium mining.
And those are the things that we just
have off the bat with some help from
one of our producers.
I will add he categorized it.
I appreciate that.
But it seems to me that the that
the the leukemia from atmospheric testing would have

(54:31):
been already resolved by now.
Well, apparently, I know no offense, but I
think you'd be dead.
Well, because I was in the 50s.
Yeah, well, apparently not.
So so anyway, so there's a lot of
things in here.
And you're right.
None of this was discussed.
It's all about you're going to die.
And we have family members who believe this,

(54:53):
who believe that Trump himself is taking away
their Medicaid.
And one of these family members absolutely cannot
work, cannot volunteer, is not mobile.
You know, so it's like, no, you'll be
OK.
You'll be OK.
So but we're going to be this is
going to be thrown.

(55:13):
We're going to be thrown to death with
this stuff.
The Republicans, they should bring back the granny
over the cliff bit.
I thought that was fun.
Well, you know, they're not creative anymore.
No, they're not.
So I think that's it.
I think we're done with that with that
topic.
So it passed.
Now everyone's going to be just passed now.

(55:33):
Yeah, yeah.
So I was wondering because I know they
had a bunch of guys in the fence
and Trump, I guess, had to promise a
bunch of executive orders to very specific.
Oh, I'm sure.
I'm sure.
Congress people that he would do this and
that for them if they just get this
out of the way.
And so they got it out of the
way.
OK, good.
It's about time now.

(55:53):
Now they can talk about something else.
They've been incessantly discussing this on public radio.
For one thing, it makes it very difficult
to find clips on other interesting things like
the fact and I don't have a clip
that Jaguar lost 95 percent of its sales
after it ran those stupid ads with the
transgender androgynous people.

(56:17):
You know, it's funny because that that meme
came back around and I thought they everyone
already saw the ad.
It was like, was it did they report
numbers?
Is that why they reported numbers?
They only sold 26 cars in Europe in
April.
It's also a crap car.
It's a Ford.

(56:37):
And the and the and the in the
advertising agency saying, I don't get it.
It makes no sense.
It was a great ad.
Yeah, so.
I'll let you go for a bit and
I have other stuff to do.
You want me to go?
Well, let's go for a bit with my

(56:58):
thesis about.
Yes, about the New Yorker and I'll summarize
your thesis from the newsletter.
If you're not subscribed to the newsletter, you
are missing out on some good quality content
and memes and a lot of meme.
And the thesis that you drew up on
the previous no agenda episode was that this

(57:19):
is the populace, the Democrat version of a
populace candidate saying all the things that the
Democrats want to hear.
And, of course, the more the more outrageous
the things are.
This is the Trump model.
The more outrageous those things are, the more
I mean, no one even could pronounce, let

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alone spell his name until all the outrageousness
and the coverage on all sides of the
political news spectrum.
Mondami mondani mondani.
Mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, Donnie, mom, Donnie,
yes.
So, yes, the thesis is that this is
Trump's playbook from 2015, 2016.

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Which, by the way, indirectly is Putin's playbook
and Hitler's playbook, so, I'm just saying.
Well, there's a lot of playbooks involved.
A lot of playbooks, yeah.
But I'm talking about the publicity playbook where
you get a lot of free publicity for
being outrageous and saying crazy things and getting
the other side worked up.
Yes.
And this is the problem that we've had.
We had these guys getting all worked up
and I wanna play the thing that triggered

(58:23):
this week's workup, which was the last meet
the presses where she asked him three times,
and I have all three clips, to rebuke
the comment about worldwide intifada.
And he beats around the bush.

(58:44):
And he got, Fox has played these clips.
Of course.
It's over.
Like idiots, like idiots, like idiots.
Like the idiots they are at Fox.
And here we go.
I'm gonna play these.
This is Mondani infatata clips with our buddy
Kristen Welker, man hands Welker, and she's gonna

(59:05):
try to get him to say things.
Oh, hold on, do I have the, yes,
hold on a second.
This is intifada one.
Yeah, I got it.
You were recently asked about the term globalize
the intifada, if it makes you uncomfortable.
In that moment, you did not condemn the
phrase.
Now, just so folks understand, it's a phrase
that many people hear as a call to

(59:25):
violence against Jews.
There's been a lot of attention on this
issue.
So I wanna give you an opportunity to
respond here and now.
Do you condemn that phrase, globalize the intifada?
That's not language that I use.
The language that I use and the language
that I will continue to use to lead
this city is that which speaks clearly to
my intent, which is an intent grounded in

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a belief in universal human rights.
And ultimately, that's what is the foundation of
so much of my politics, the belief that
freedom and justice and safety are things that
to have meaning have to be applied to
all people.
And that includes Israelis and Palestinians as well.
No, but that's not that bad of an
answer.
But he didn't condemn it.
So she's now on it and thinking, well,

(01:00:07):
wait a minute.
He didn't answer my question.
So I'm gonna be a hotshot journalist and
ask him again.
Yeah.
But do you actually condemn it?
I think that's the question and the outstanding
issue that a number of people, both of
the Jewish faith and beyond have.
Do you condemn that phase, globalize the intifada,
which a lot of people hear as a
call to violence against Jews?

(01:00:27):
I've heard from many Jewish New Yorkers who
have shared their concerns with me, especially in
light of the horrific attacks that we saw
in Washington, D.C. and in Boulder, Colorado
about- Did he say Colder Ballerado?
That's kind of cool.
He wanted to say Colder Ballerado, Ballerado.
In Washington, D.C. and in Boulder, Colorado

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about this moment of anti-Semitism in our
country and in our city.
And I've heard those fears and I've had
those conversations and ultimately they are part and
parcel of why in my campaign I've put
forward a commitment to increase funding for anti
-hate crime programming by 800%.
I don't believe that the role of the
mayor is to police speech.

(01:01:09):
Oh, you know, I can see, he's tricky.
He's a, he's a- Oh, he's good.
He's good.
I think he's really good.
Yeah.
And here he goes.
Okay, now, so she's the journalist who asked
the same question twice.
He got no answer from her.
He's beating her.
Let's do it again, let's do it again.
Let's try number three.
Quickly, for the people who care about the

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language and who feel really concerned by that
phrase, why not just condemn it?
My concern is to start to walk down
the line of language and making clear what
language I believe is permissible or impermissible takes
me into a place similar to that of
the president who is looking to do those

(01:01:51):
very kinds of things, putting people in jail
for writing an op-ed, putting them in
jail for protesting.
Ultimately, it's the language that I use.
It's language I understand there are concerns about.
And what I will do is showcase my
vision for the city through my words and
my actions.
Hold on, surely the next question was, what
journalist was put in jail for writing an
op-ed?

(01:02:11):
Yeah, no, no.
Do you know?
Do you know by any chance?
No, there's none.
No, none have, none have.
By the way.
None have been put in jail.
They did lose their case.
CBS bailed out and gave Trump $16 million
to go up to $30.
I have that clip if you want to
hear it.
Yeah, let's play that before we finish this
off.
CBS's parent company, Paramount Global, will shell out

(01:02:33):
$16 million to President Trump to settle a
lawsuit waged over a 60 minutes interview with
then Vice President Kamala Harris that aired weeks
before the presidential election.
Trump claims it gave Harris an unfair advantage.
Kamala was unable to answer a question properly.
And they took the question that they asked

(01:02:55):
and they inserted an answer.
In his lawsuit, Trump accused the network of
misleading voters with quote, deceitful editing of Harris's
answer to a question on whether the U
.S. has any sway over Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu.
But it seems that.
As reflected by the raw interview posted by
60 Minutes.
Well Bill.
The program Face the Nation used a longer

(01:03:17):
portion at the beginning of Harris's response.
While 60 Minutes used a shorter portion.
We are not gonna stop.
That came at the end of that same
response to accommodate time restraints.
CBS said Trump's claims were false and the
interview was not doctored.
Paramount Settlement does not include an apology or
any regret.
And the settlement money will go toward Trump's

(01:03:39):
future presidential library, not the president himself.
Sorry, not sorry.
You know the thing I just realized?
I don't even remember what the question was
about.
It was something about whether Israel controls U
.S. policy?
Was that the question?
I don't remember either.
I have to go back now.
The whole thing is.
I have to go back and listen to
that.
I haven't since we just played that.
I might as well play my CBS case

(01:03:59):
to Trump.
This is the NPR version of what you
just played.
Press rights groups are denouncing the parent company
of CBS for agreeing to pay President Trump's
future library $16 million.
NPR's David Folkenflik reports Trump had sued CBS.
Over the way, 60 Minutes edited an interview
with then-Vice President Kamala Harris.

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Trump's lawyers said the segment constituted electoral interference.
Outside legal observers say his case had no
merit, that the First Amendment covers such editorial
choices.
His legal team says Trump has held the
fake news media accountable for their wrongdoing and
deceit.
Paramount needs approval from Trump's regulators to sell
the company in an $8 billion deal.

(01:04:42):
The lawsuit is hardly a one-and-done
for the president.
The agreement appears modeled on a past settlement
from the Walt Disney Company, the corporate parent
of ABC News, over anchor George Stephanopoulos' imprecise
statements about legal findings against Trump.
Trump is still suing the Des Moines Register
over a poll last year, and he recently
threatened the New York Times and CNN with

(01:05:02):
prosecution for their reporting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm a little, I'm torn.
He'll come for the podcasters next, people.
Well, the ones who are getting paid off
by Coca-Cola.
Yeah, they should.
So we go back to Mamdani.
Mamdani, Mamdani.
So he does these, he refuses to answer

(01:05:24):
that question, which I believe he will eventually
say, no, I always meant that, because he's
going to pull a Trump in every way
he can, and I think he's going to
win the election the way they've got it
set up with the ranked voting, which is
just a disaster if you start to think
about it.
Can I just ask you one question, going

(01:05:45):
back to CBS?
I mean, the First Amendment clearly, I mean,
I know this was a civil suit, but
the First Amendment clearly states that, you know,
you cannot create any law against the press,
whatever, if they want to write your, I
mean, there's slander, there's things that have, there
are different provisions, but there was, I mean,

(01:06:08):
the only reason for this is they want
the Paramount merger to go through, correct?
I think that's one of the reasons they
settled, but I think they also had a
weak case.
This wasn't about free speech.
This was about election law violation.
Okay, all right.
Yeah, the equal time equals something rule?
No, not equal time, it's just the fairness.

(01:06:29):
The fairness doctrine.
You can't meddle in an election in some
unfair way that is the way CBS, what
CBS did was illegal, the way I see
it, but I could be wrong, I'm not
a lawyer.
But let's get back to Mom Donnie.
So he's, so he makes these comments and

(01:06:49):
he gets everybody bent out of shape.
So I'm trying to find, and I'm watching
Outnumbered and these three clips.
Oh my goodness, did you have too much
time?
What happened to sumo wrestling?
It's only every other month.
Oh, okay.
And so there's a new tournament coming up
this month.
Luckily, can't have you watching Outnumbered.

(01:07:10):
There's good stuff on Outnumbered because it's very
well, it's highly structured.
And they had Marie Harf on, your buddy.
Oh, Marie Harf.
So Marie Harf is on.
She always plays the devil's advocate.
She's the Democrat.
She's the Democrat of the box.
Yeah, she's a Democrat spokeshole.
Yeah, she was, X, yes.
And so she comes on as the foil.

(01:07:31):
They always try to bring somebody on with
a perspective.
Fox does this better.
CNN does it with the one guy, whatever
his name is.
Well, Brooks and Capehart.
Yeah, right, PBS doesn't do it at all,
obviously.
But so they had Marie Harf on and
so I finally found an example of that.

(01:07:53):
Now, I'm just switching my thought process, the
dimensionality, to flip it from Trump to Mom
Donny and the way people were reacting to
Trump when he first showed up with the
Trump derangement syndrome.
We have Mom Donny derangement syndrome.
And you have the Trump supporters in the
early days that were defending him against all

(01:08:15):
this crazy stuff they were throwing at him.
And that's what Marie Harf does.
She is on board with Mom Donny.
She understands it, she knows the playbook.
But she doesn't understand it to the extent
that I do.
She's not seeing it as using Trump's playbook
at all.
She's actually seeing it as a true believer.

(01:08:38):
And she's buying, this is just classic, this
is classic to listen to her.
So here she is, they ask her about,
they're all blasting this guy.
They're out of control.
And you'll hear some pieces of that in
here.
Everybody on the show is, oh, this is
the worst thing that could ever happen.
John Yoo is on there going, oh my

(01:08:58):
God.
And Emily is nuts over this guy.
Oh, geez, this is the end of the
world.
This is all the same thing that was
going on with Trump.
And so we have Marie Harf, who's the
voice of reason, but it's not gonna work.
Here we go.
Yeah, here's why I think this is an
interesting look into his campaign.
He was unknown as of six months or

(01:09:19):
a year ago, right?
He is a new candidate who has tapped
into energy and concerns about cost of living,
things that you mentioned.
He has repeatedly said he abhors anti-Semitism.
Increasing anti-hate crime funding by 800%, that's
real.
That will help in New York.
And don't take my word for it.
Prominent Jewish New Yorkers, Jerry Nadler, Brad Lander,

(01:09:40):
they have said, they've endorsed him.
You're talking politicians who want their party to
be an office irrespective of anything that they
believe in.
That's not true.
Are you questioning Jerry Nadler or Brad Lander's
commitment to Judaism?
100%.
Wow, I wouldn't question anyone's commitment to their
faith.
The same way that I would question Chuck
Schumer, who works against the interests of his

(01:10:02):
own people at times for the politics.
Let me finish what I'm saying here.
Prominent Jewish New Yorkers have said they have
met with him.
They believe that he abhors anti-Semitism and
will help New York do better.
Then why not condemn a globalized antifa?
I think that he should be more sensitive
to the context in which many people hear
that language.
And I think he should condemn it.

(01:10:24):
But I think that painting him with a
brush, that because he won't, because he's wordsmithy,
because he doesn't want to censor, that everything
else he's said about condemning anti-Semitism.
I think we should just coin it, MDS.
MDS right now, Mamdani Derangement Syndrome.
Yes, great.
MDS.
I don't understand why everybody's not spotting this

(01:10:44):
as this is an analog of Trump.
Well, they have to get up early for
this show.
You know, you and I, we just lounge
around, we get up around 8.30, you
know, we have our coffee.
I'm talking about in general, this is all
day on Fox.
I just happened to catch Harf, I thought
this was, because she represents a certain, she
represents the party pretty much.

(01:11:06):
I mean, here she is, now she's gonna
get into it with some other people.
I think this is Emily starting off and
then they get a little argument going.
Jewish leaders saying he is good for their
community.
Not everybody.
No, but a lot.
I think that matters too.
And I don't think he's an anti-Semite.
I don't see three people being a lot,
but we can get back into it another

(01:11:26):
time.
The number of Jewish New Yorkers who voted
for him in the primary was not small.
Maybe one in five, two in five Jewish
New Yorkers, we're still getting data here.
That's not a small number of Jews.
I don't think you should discount their feelings
on this either.
I'm not discounting their feelings.
They're voters.
They can vote in their interest or not.
I would say this, if they're really concerned,

(01:11:47):
Emily, about affordability in the city, why did
they live for the last four years with
no protest against all the illegal aliens that
came in and soaked up more than a
billion dollars each year, plus while Biden was
in office, while they had Democrats in majority
here?
What a great question.
I'll just be candid.
I find this person frightening.

(01:12:08):
You know, it's interesting because here in Fredericksburg,
the conversation is ongoing.
They have MDS here.
And like, New York is lost.
This is crazy.
One of our biggest, most beautiful cities.
Hey, you live in Texas.
Beautiful city?
Are you kidding me?
You live in Texas.

(01:12:29):
Who cares?
Why do you care?
Did you plan a vacation to Broadway?
No.
MDS is working.
It's working.
It's working.
It's working great.
So here is the last clip where she
tries to get some more information out there.
She's trying to defend, this is again, if

(01:12:50):
we reverse this and go back to the
Trump time where you had the pro-Trumpers,
trying to convince people, yeah, he's harsh.
Yeah, he does cuss a lot, but he's
harsh.
His language is harsh, but, but, but, but,
but.
And so we have this same thing right
now with this guy.
Here we go.
The people that Mondami is preaching to are

(01:13:10):
ultra rich in this city.
Some of them have even said they may
leave.
Now, I don't know how you square that.
You're going to vote for the guy, and
then you might think about taking your square
of moneyness someplace else.
I don't know how that works out.
My square of money?
Moneyness.
Oh, my square of moneyness?
Yeah, I don't know.
She was like, look, I've never heard this.

(01:13:32):
Well, it's because she just, it came off
the top of her head.
She's trying to, she's trying to slam the
guy and she's failing.
Railing against him.
She's railing.
That was a fail, yeah.
You're going to vote for the guy, and
then you might think about taking your square
of moneyness someplace else.
I don't know how that works out.
But you're talking about affordability and you bring
it up, Emily.
How can you have that conversation, but the

(01:13:54):
people who would benefit from more affordability didn't
vote for you?
What do they see about you that they
don't like?
What about all the anti-Muslim hate that
has been spewed at him?
We should also condemn that.
The horrible things that- So, let me
step in on that.
Did you see the video from over the
weekend?
Those are people who had gone to support
him at his rally.

(01:14:15):
And he said something akin to what I
said to you.
No Jewish state, but Israel can stay with
different people in it or a wider spectrum.
And they thought that that didn't go far
enough.
Look at the video.
It's fascinating.
All right, we're going to move.
All right, we're going to move.
It's fascinating.
Man, you get extra bonus points for watching
that crap.

(01:14:35):
That's crap.
I actually like the show.
I can't stand it.
You don't like anything.
I like lots of things.
You're a negative person.
I'm a very positive person when it comes
to other things.
But the point is made.
I'm making that this is the point I'm
going to make.
I'm sticking with it.
I see no evidence to the contrary that
this is all not just a complete populist.

(01:14:58):
And the thing is, this is a worldwide
populist movement.
And he's showing the Democrats how to do
it.
Yes.
And they should be paying attention to it
because he's doing it the right way.
He is.
And he'll come out of it fine.
He probably will get the mayorship and nothing
really will change much.
It won't be worse than de Blasio.

(01:15:19):
No.
No, I think you're absolutely right.
And he is doing it.
He's doing just like Trump.
Where he's using word smithing.
You know, he's very fine people.
It's all his own version of it.
I have to admit you've nailed it on
this.
No, I want to admit.
I'm happy to admit.

(01:15:40):
That's why there's two of us.
This is good.
This is very good.
Here's a little gambit playing out.
The timing is remarkable.
This is ABC.
A new setback for Ukraine.
The U.S. is causing some weapons shipments.
My crane, Ukraine.
His crane, her crane, Ukraine.
A new setback for Ukraine.
The U.S. is pausing some weapons shipments

(01:16:02):
to the country after a Pentagon review reportedly
found certain U.S. stockpiles were too low.
Officials are not saying what weapons are being
held back, but the Pentagon insists this is
not affecting the readiness of the U.S.
military.
Ukraine has been struggling to fend off some
of the biggest Russian attacks of the war
and peace talks have ground to a halt.
So that's ABC.

(01:16:22):
Remarkably, Franz Van Katra does have the list
of low stockpiles and has something different to
say.
In what looks to be a severe blow
to Ukraine's war effort, Washington says it will
pause arms deliveries to Kiev.
NBC and the New York Times report that
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth made the decision because
of concerns about the U.S. military stockpile.

(01:16:45):
Hegseth had ordered a review of the army's
munitions inventory, which has been depleted after three
years of supplying weapons to Ukraine and carrying
out military operations in the Middle East.
Among the weapons likely to be delayed are
Patriot interceptors, 155 millimeter howitzer munitions, Hellfire missiles,
GMLRS missile systems, and Stinger surface-to-air

(01:17:06):
missiles.
Just this week, Ukraine's foreign minister said Kiev
had been asking Washington for more deliveries.
A halt in deliveries would hamper Ukraine's abilities
to defend its cities from Russian drone and
missile attacks and also impede its own precision
strikes against Russian targets.
Sources say the deliveries being paused were scheduled

(01:17:27):
for several months from now, but there are
fears in Kiev the suspension will be assigned
to Moscow that Ukraine's support from the West
is compromised.
So this is hilarious because this comes right
on the heels of the 5% NATO
increase.
Okay, three and a half percent.
Well, I have- Wait, wait, wait.
I have the NTD version of the same

(01:17:48):
report.
But there's a payoff.
I have the payoff.
Well, you know what?
I want to hear- Yeah, the payoff
should go last.
Okay, I want to hear it.
Where's your...
I got your NTD right here.
Here we go.
The U.S. confirms that it is pausing
some weapons shipments to Ukraine, but officials stopped
short of confirming reports saying that air defense
missiles are mostly affected by the halt.

(01:18:08):
NTD's international correspondent, Ariane Postar, has the latest.
This capability review, and that's exactly what it
is, is a capability review is being conducted
to ensure U.S. military aid aligns with
our defense priorities.
And we will not be- The Pentagon
on Wednesday confirmed that the U.S. is
currently pausing some weapons shipments to Ukraine.

(01:18:29):
A senior Ukrainian lawmaker previously called Washington's decision,
quote, painful for Kiev's efforts to defend against
Russian airstrikes.
The attacks have intensified in recent weeks.
The Pentagon was asked whether this review would
embolden Russia.
The spokesman replied that the capability review aims
to make sure America is strong, which benefits

(01:18:51):
the entire globe.
Our job here at the Department of Defense
is to pursue the President's America First agenda
and make sure that we achieve peace through
strength throughout the world.
The State Department on Wednesday echoing that sentiment,
a spokesperson says that despite the review, the
U.S. will continue supporting Ukraine.
Our commitment hasn't changed.

(01:19:12):
The nature of how we're able to make
that commitment is going to be based on
what is best for America first.
Russia also commented on the latest developments.
A spokesperson says pausing shipments would bring a
quicker end to the conflict.
Nah, well, none of that is true.
By the way, I want that past star
guy to get on the Radio Hall of
Fame.

(01:19:36):
This, of course, is a money gambit.
Well done, Merka, Merka first, yes, because on
the very same day this is announced, Queen
Ursula is in Denmark telling everybody, we'll protect
Greenland, don't worry about it.
And here's what she said.
For us, it's a clear signal or clear

(01:19:57):
message to step up our own support.
So ramping up our European defense capacities, not
only at the level of the European Union,
but at a continental level.
And as you know, we have already provided
around about 50 billion euros of support in
the military part, military equipment.

(01:20:18):
Denmark has shown with a significant deliveries as
of the start of the war, how to
do it, from a much needed artillery to
F-16s, for example.
I, for my part, can only recommend to
use now safe.
Here are 150 billion euros.
Now that's the new law that they passed,

(01:20:42):
that everybody can dip into deficits to-
Oh, the deficit, you're right.
Right, so this is about the money, and
what are we gonna do?
Much needed artillery to F-16s, for example.
I, for my part, can only recommend to
use now safe.
Here are 150 billion euros.
The member states can take this money and

(01:21:05):
either buy military equipment and give it to
Ukraine, or they can- Buy it from
us, buy it from us, of course.
Well, but you don't have to buy it.
You could also just squander it.
Or they can take this money and invest
it in the extremely efficient Ukrainian defense industry.

(01:21:25):
Did you know that the Ukrainian defense industry
is extremely efficient?
I didn't know it was efficient, but I
do know they make a lot of drones.
It's efficient.
President Zelensky told us that this defense industry,
which is highly efficient, has a capacity where
only 60% are being used, so there's
room for more 40% of capacity to

(01:21:48):
finance by our member states, for example, and
safe is the instrument that is there.
What?
They're not- What scam are we talking
about now?
They're not gonna give anything to Ukraine.
They're gonna buy Patriots from us.
Trump said, oh, I'll make sure I get
you, I'll get you, to that journalist, I'll
make sure I get you some Patriots.
Hey, Ursula, we're gonna stop sending them for

(01:22:09):
free, so pay up, queen.
And that's what's happening.
Yeah, I guess that's the deal.
Of course it is.
It's so obvious.
It's, it's almost, it's crazy.
Talk about throwing money away.
Well, blowing it up in the sky, basically.
So we have a new Dutch guy on

(01:22:31):
the scene.
He's not as good as the Rutte.
Far from it, actually.
I can't even really do his voice, which
I probably just should stop doing that, unless
it's Rutte, Rutte.
And- What do you mean, should stop
doing what?
The Dutch voice, when I'm on the international
stage, I'm talking about climate change.

(01:22:51):
We have a new climate pope.
His name is Wopke, Wopke Hofstra.
Wopke, Wopke, W-O-P-K-E, Wopke.
That's his first name.
Wow, what a first name that is.
Well, it's a Frisian name, I believe, from
Friesland.
Wopke Hofstra, Wopke, he is the commissioner for

(01:23:16):
climate change.
And we have a solution so that we
don't screw ourselves while still saving the planet.
And I have a big thing, I talk
about it.
It's really carbon credits, but don't worry about
it.
The European commissioner for climate defends the strategy
presented to reach a 90% reduction of

(01:23:36):
CO2 emission by 2040.
Now, that seems doable.
In an interview with Euronews, Wopke Hofstra explains
his stance on giving carbon credit in which
the EU countries pay other countries to cut
their carbon emissions.
So they're going to tax- What?
They're going to tax their citizens.
This sounds like cap and trade.

(01:23:56):
Oh, it's carbon credits.
It's ETS, the European trading system for carbon
credits.
They're going to let their industry do whatever
they want, take taxpayer money and give that
to African nations and our Southern neighbors.
However, critics question how reliable and fair the
plan is, particularly as member states are farming

(01:24:18):
out their carbon emission responsibilities to developing countries.
In this hugely complicated geopolitical- Does anybody
see this as a scam of scams?
No.
You're still producing the same amount of carbon.
No, no.
And you're saying, hey, you're not producing any
carbon, so you can take our carbon and
we'll give you your carbon and so we

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can swap your no carbon for our carbon,
and now all of a sudden everything's good?
I'm going to, I have another clip about
what they're doing with the carbon.
But yeah, it's an obvious scam, you know,
and they say, well, don't farm in this
land, you poor Africans, because that's a carbon
sink, you see, and we'll give you money

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for it.
You see.
Yeah, you see.
To develop it.
And by the way, they already bought up
all the African land, so this is really
just putting money in multinationals' pockets and countries
like China who bought up large pieces of
land as a carbon sink and they'll just
collect money for it.
Emission responsibilities to developing countries.
In this hugely complicated geopolitical world, there is

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a lot of value also for us in
building more bridges with our friends in Africa
and Latin America.
They like- Yes, a bridge, a bridge
to nowhere, just bridges, our friends, you're my
friend.
They have, they often lack the capital, they
often lack the opportunity.
We give you opportunity and capital.
Hoekstra also justifies the measure by the need

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to reduce carbon emissions while balancing it with
competitiveness.
Critics say the commission is chipping away at
the EU's Green Deal provisions.
Hoekstra says he can do both.
There is some sort of a discrepancy between
on the one hand economic growth and on
the other hand climate action.
You think there's some kind of discrepancy like

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being able to make steel and build other
things and not having to pay out the
nose for it so you can build your
industry?
It's some kind of discrepancy here.
We need to keep the earth clean.
And our job is to make sure that
we continue with climate action but do so
in a way that works for our people,
works for our companies and works for our

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economy.
The 2040 target is just a step along
the way before reaching the carbon neutrality goal
in 2050.
All right, so since you brought it up,
I'm gonna give you an example of what
Sweden is doing.
Sweden is so innovative.
Sweden is so innovative what they're doing with
their carbon capture.
I've just tried to elucidate why I think
it is a great idea to have for

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a small percentage carbon credits.
The same is true for negative emissions and
filtering them back into the ETS.
Just to give you that one example, I
was a couple of weeks ago, I was
in Sweden.
It's the largest CCS project in Europe.
What are they doing?
They're getting emissions or they're getting CO2, they're
putting it in a ship.
They're shipping it up north and they're putting

(01:27:07):
it into the ground.
How about that?
They put the carbon emissions into a ship
and they ship it up and they put
it into the ground.
Come on, man.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
of.
So you could actually, is there any, okay.
Are there inspectors?
Yeah.
Yeah, this guy, he's gonna inspect it.

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Are there inspectors that can verify that the
carbon is in the ship to begin with
and that it's being put into the ground?
Are there verify, you know, trust and verify
people out there?
Is there any of this?
Or this is just bull crap.
It's a lie for the dummies.
It's just a ship with an empty ship.

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Oh, it's filled with CO2, baby.
Don't come near it.
It's dangerous.
This sounds like a scam of scams.
Dangerous emissions.
Well, and then this is where- Don't
come near it.
What happens if it sinks?
This is the worst analogy ever.
So now he's gonna tout a favorite of,
oh my goodness, this goes back to 2007.

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Ready for it?
Cleantech, okay?
Cleantech, which I remember the Kleiner Perkins.
They were all, oh, we're investing in cleantech.
We have a cleantech fund.
Everybody lost their shirt on that cleantech fund.
There was no money in it.
Yeah, Kleiner Perkins has never been the same
ever since they tried doing all that crap.
The cleantech fund.

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So he's now gonna tell us that cleantech,
we have no idea what innovative things, this
is how they, they don't say innovative, they
say innovative.
Innovative things cleantech will bring us.
I will give you an analogy that we
never know what technology will bring to us
in the future.
Without blaming the past, I do think we

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have sometimes been too one dimensional.
It is exactly when you get it right
at this nexus of the economy and climate
action that you will create an engine for
clean economic growth.
And that is why it is so extremely
important that we double down on cleantech, that
we double down on all the enabling conditions
that I was just mentioning.

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Because what we need to do is make
sure that we expose European industry to the
potential to be one of the winners in
the future.
I don't have my phone with me, but
I'm sure you have.
And if you look at it and you
think about what it would look like 15
years from now, that's always a complicated thing
to do.
But just think what it was like 15
years ago.

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Nokia, a great company, was about to lose
to BlackBerry, a company that now no longer
exists, at least not in the business of
making these type of phones.
That is the type of transition we will
see in many industries, right?
Wait a minute.
He's saying that look at Nokia.

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They had the market for cell phones.
They got outpaced by BlackBerry, which then died.
And that's bull crap, by the way.
That's the kind of innovation he's touting?
Well, besides the fact that that's not what
happened to Nokia, it was the smartphone that
killed them, and iOS and Android.

(01:30:19):
He doesn't even mention that.
He's talking about BlackBerry.
No, he talks about BlackBerry was never a
competitor with Nokia, it was a paging device,
mostly.
And when they finally got to the phone
side of things, it wasn't a thing that
wiped out Nokia.
So they don't even have their analogies correct.
That's what I'm saying.
He should have said smartphone, at least.

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Instead, he says, we can be the BlackBerry
of climate change.
Okay, bro, sounds like a plan.
The BlackBerry.
Sounds like a plan.
Wow.
Sounds like a plan.
Yeah, that's their cleantech vision.
The BlackBerry of climate tech.
Well, okay, it's fine with me.
He's not being dishonest, if you think about

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it at the deepest levels.
So I have three clips on climate.
But first of all, since the one you
just played showed what a farce these things
are, especially the ship full of CO2, there
we go.
Here it's going in the ground, take a
look, see?
I'm going to start carrying around an empty

(01:31:20):
bag and say, stay away.
I'm going to put this in the ground.
This is my CO2 for the day.
I'm going to bury this in my backyard
because I'm helping the climate.
So there's a guy on TikTok who goes
around, he's in Marin County.
And in Marin County, they show these bins.
There's three recycling bins.

(01:31:41):
There's the solid waste, and then there's the
recyclable cardboard, and then there's something else.
And this is Marin County.
This is his report, as he has a
video showing the garbage guys picking this stuff
up.
Welcome to the progressive bastion of Marin County,
California, where we environmentalists go out of our
way to separate our refuse for a more

(01:32:01):
sustainable planet.
Residents can be fined up to $500 for
not properly separating their trash.
As you can see, the separating can be
futile as all this trash is remixed in
the truck and hauled to the landfill.
This is at the end of Tiburon's Restaurant
Row, where the restaurants diligently separate their waste
into recyclables, compostables, and common trash.

(01:32:21):
I witnessed bin after bin of meticulously sorted
waste, several tons worth, dumped into the same
truck, crushed, and hauled away.
Recycling is not specifically mentioned in the book,
but rent-seeking is, and so is virtue
signaling.
Make sure you audit your own local trash
and recycling facilities.
You may be shocked at what you find.

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Yeah, this of course has been noticed all
over the world with this bin scandal.
Yeah.
By the way, don't you think it's a
good no agenda?
Before you say that, I just wanted, before
I lose my train of thought on this,
there's a bin at Costco that has three
holes.
It says, you know, cups, garbage.

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It goes into the same bin.
Three holes with the one bag.
Three holes, one bag.
There's your show title.
I'm telling you, that's your show title right
there.
Maybe a no agenda premium, dare I say,
exit strategy, is just an empty box that

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says, you know, this is where I store
my carbon credits.
Carbon.
Carbon credits box.
It'd be the pet rock of a-
The carbon credit box, which reminds me, I
think in three weeks, we have the best
of no agenda exit strategies.
Tina and I listened to the first 20
minutes.
She, of course, she hasn't heard any of

(01:33:46):
our crazy- Great ideas.
Great ideas.
By the way, they're mostly mine, and you're
always in on it, and then they fizzle
out.
That must be, I'm sabotaging them.
I mean, we were crying at points, just
crying over the excellent ideas that, she's like,
I could have been married to a rich

(01:34:08):
guy.
What were you thinking?
Why did you not follow up on that?
I mentioned as an example, the no agenda
water that had 17 virgins around it, holding
up signs called love, and that would be
better water, according to the crystal theory.
I mean, we had some real doozies, including
your strip club exit strategy, which is in

(01:34:30):
the first hour is pretty good, when you
do all the girls.
The strip clubs.
Yeah.
Well, here we have, this is the climate.
This is a scandal that kind of been
overshadowed by the big, beautiful bill, but I
thought this was pretty funny, because if you
start thinking about it, it's like, oh, the
research, we're losing our research for this and

(01:34:52):
that, because of the government.
Why is the government responsible for research anyway?
It should be private industry.
Bell Labs, which invented the silicon world, the
world we live in today, was not a
government operation.
Well, we have the cloud, John.
The scientific cloud is coming.
So here's the climate website, gone.

(01:35:14):
Oh, goodness.
The Trump administration has shut down a website
that's home to a series of major national
reports on climate change.
NPR's Alejandra Barunda reports on what that means.
Back in the 1990s, Congress asked U.S.
scientists to produce a series of reports.
The National Climate Assessments were supposed to come
out every four years, and they were intended

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to round up the best, newest research on
how climate change affects the country.
Over the decades, those reports homed in on
one big point.
What the National Climate Assessment showed so clearly
is that if you are a human being
living in the United States, your life is
already being impacted by climate change, whether you
know it or not.
That's Catherine Hayhoe.

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She's the chief scientist at the Nature Conservancy
and a climate scientist who has worked on
several of the assessments.
If we don't recognize that, it's simply because
we haven't connected the dots.
And the National Climate Assessment was one of
the primary tools connecting those dots.
Hundreds of scientists worked on the reports.
They were used by policymakers, city planners, business
owners, and regular people to figure out things

(01:36:18):
like where neighborhoods might be endangered by sea
level rise or which places were most at
risk during heat waves or droughts.
Hayhoe says the reports also pointed out ways
to solve the challenges.
The choices that we make today will determine
the magnitude of the impacts we face tomorrow.
Urban planning expert Ladd Keith from the University
of Arizona says the loss of the reports

(01:36:39):
will leave many smaller cities or rural areas
in the dark about their climate risks.
A lot of them rely on the National
Climate Assessment because they don't have the resources
locally to do their own climate profiles or
to explore the impacts of climate change in
their own community.
Keith says the loss of the reports, along
with other federal climate data sets.
It's a little bit like watching the modern
version of a book burning.

(01:37:01):
I like my climate profile.
Modern version of a book burning because you
took a website down.
Yeah, that's book burning.
That's right.
Yeah.
Here's part two.
A NASA spokesperson told NPR that PDFs of
the reports will eventually find a new home
on a NASA website, but they don't know
when.
And there are even more questions about the

(01:37:23):
next edition of the assessment, which was in
progress and was supposed to come out in
2027.
But in April, the Trump administration dismissed all
the scientists working on it, including Keith.
The guy complaining, yeah, okay.
You know, the federal, the big, beautiful bill,

(01:37:47):
speaking of NASA, is cutting NASA's budget drastically.
Did you know that?
No.
What's the rationale?
Well, a lot of it is climate nonsense.
I had, who, this is, I can't remember
who did this report.
I think it's a Colorado local station.
Now, beyond the spending bill, the federal government's

(01:38:08):
budget proposal next year contains even more cuts,
and one could slash NASA's science funding nearly
in half.
A Denver 7 viewer sent us this email
saying he feels like this story is slipping
through the cracks, asking us to dig into
how this could impact Colorado's aerospace industry.
So Denver 7's Colette Bordelon is on it
tonight.
She spent the day in Boulder hearing from

(01:38:28):
CU scientists who fear one of the Mars
missions could be on the chopping block.
By the way, I'm all for cutting the
stupid Mars mission.
Stop that nonsense.
Why?
Why?
Why do we have to pretend we can
go there and blast through the firmament?
No.
And liftoff of the Atlas V with Maybach.

(01:38:49):
I've always loved space.
It's been something that's just brought me joy
since I was a little kid.
Some of us grew up fascinated.
This is a NASA scientist.
Bull crap.
This is the money we're spending.
Space has always brought me joy when I
was a little kid.
What else is out there?
A place where we can dream.
Lisa Upton took that dream and became a

(01:39:09):
solar scientist.
We see, you know, budget cuts from time
and time again.
But she's worried about what's outlined in the
recommendations for NASA from the federal government in
fiscal year 2026's budget proposal.
We're looking at a 50% cut to
the NASA science budget.
I mean, that's- Can you stop the
clip?
Yeah.
Do we know that these are cuts or

(01:39:31):
cuts in the increase?
This cut thing we've talked about on this
show, it's a little tedious to talk about
it again, but 99% of the time
they talk about a cut, they're not really
cutting anything.
They're cutting the increase.
What they're cutting here is a true cut.
This is all money that was in the

(01:39:52):
Green New Deal.
Okay, well that's probably a true cut.
This is all climate change money.
And unless I know for a fact it's
a true cut, I'm still thinking it's a
cut in the increase.
Well, having read through the bill, this is
a cut in the- This is about
climate change.
These people are doing climate research on Mars.
What are they talking about is space.

(01:40:12):
It's on Mars.
Well, the next clip you'll hear.
From the federal government in fiscal year 2026's
budget proposal.
We're looking at a 50% cut to
the NASA science budget.
I mean, that's devastating.
What was it like for you to say
that?
It makes me sad, you know?
It makes me sad for- But it
makes her sad mainly for herself.

(01:40:33):
You know, my friends, my colleagues, you know,
my family.
These impacts aren't just about today, tomorrow, next
week, next year.
These impacts are long lasting.
Yes, so this scientist, she looked like a
scientist.
You know, I'm not shaming her, but she
should consider some dental work.

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And so then they go to Merva.
This is the inside NASA research.
And now they've got the pretty PR girl.
And she's really good.
And she's gonna tell us, oh, these programs
will stop.
That's MAVEN.
And MAVEN is the Mars- MAVEN, sorry.
Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution Mission Panel.

(01:41:13):
This is Shannon Curry.
My life's work has been- No relation.
On Mars.
The principal investigator of NASA's MAVEN mission, led
by scientists at CU Boulder.
MAVEN is the best observer of atmospheric escape
and evolution, not just at Mars, but anywhere
in the solar system.
Some of the cuts include eliminating funding for
quote, low priority climate monitoring satellites, scaling back

(01:41:37):
or eliminating technology projects that are not needed
by NASA.
Who knew we even had climate monitoring satellites?
What is this?
Yeah, I knew we did.
Or better suited to the private sector and
eliminating climate-focused green aviation.
There you are, John.
That's exactly what you're saying.
Leave that to the private sector.
Let them spend the money.
You're absolutely on point here.

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Needed by NASA or better suited to the
private sector and eliminating climate-focused green aviation
spending.
The proposed budget for fiscal year 26 would
end dozens of active missions within NASA and
missions we're starting to already build.
Notice they call research missions.
These are our missions.
So when we're doing show prep, it's not

(01:42:20):
show prep, it's show mission.
Year 26 would end dozens of active missions
within NASA and missions we're starting to already
build.
It would cancel Nathan, yes.
And with that cancellation, she says, comes job
loss.
American leadership in space isn't just about being
number one, it's about jobs.
All of the aerospace industry provides jobs here

(01:42:40):
in the state of Colorado, as well as
the entire nation.
Just in the state of Colorado, there's $5
billion in economic output just in the aerospace
industry.
Concerns Curry can't shake.
If the proposed budget goes through, NASA may
never be the same.
With those who grew up fascinated by outer
space.
It will never recover the kind of talent

(01:43:01):
and the kind of intellectual capabilities and capacity
it has now.
Hoping that same kind of spark can survive.
No, you're gonna be building big, beautiful ships
and submarines, shifting it away from climate monitoring

(01:43:21):
satellites.
Yeah, I think that's probably a very good
thing.
I'm all for it, I'm all for it,
it's good.
You're known to be anti-science.
Yeah, there you go, thank you, everyone knows

(01:43:41):
it.
I'm known to be anti-science.
I have one science clip.
Science.
About tick, tick advice for the summer.
Alpha Gal is back, baby.
Bad year for tick bites.
Data from the CDC show people are seeking
emergency care at the highest rate since 2019.

(01:44:02):
So if you're planning a hike or a
trip to the park and wanna avoid these
blood sucking bugs, NPR's Ping Huang has some
tips to help you fend them off.
There are about a dozen different ticks in
the U.S. that can cause problems for
human health.
In the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic and Upper Midwest,
the biggest problem is Lyme disease.
Thomas Park is an infectious disease microbiologist at

(01:44:23):
Johns Hopkins University in Maryland.
He says Lyme disease is transmitted by infected
deer ticks.
You can encounter these ticks really at any
time of the year but they're gonna be
the most active in warmer months and they
tend to live in a woody or grassy
area.
In the Central and Southeastern U.S., ehrlichiosis
and spotted fever rickettsiosis are top concerns along

(01:44:44):
with a tick-induced allergy to red meat.
Tick bites are less common in the West
but they also happen there and can spread
Lyme disease, anaplasmosis and a few other things.
If all of this is making you itchy,
Allison Hinckley, an epidemiologist with CDC says there
are precautions you can take.
You can wear insect repellent treated clothing.

(01:45:04):
We call that a permethrin treated clothing.
That's a really easy thing to do.
Cover up as much skin as possible and
check yourself daily.
Showering when you come in from outside really
has shown to be a good way to
prevent tick-borne diseases.
That's because the longer a tick feeds on
you, the higher the risk of infection.
So if you find a tick, take it
off right away.
The best way is to use tweezers, grab

(01:45:26):
it as close to the skin as you
can and find out what type of tick
it is and how long it's been feeding
on you.
If it's a deer tick and you're in
an area where Lyme disease is common, Hinckley
says see a doctor.
The only time you would get an antibiotic
after a tick bite and before any symptoms,
it would be to prevent Lyme disease.
And in that case, we recommend just a

(01:45:46):
single dose.
Otherwise, watch for symptoms like fever, aches, and
rash.
If those show up, Hinckley says seek medical
care.
Alpha-gal, alpha-gal comes back, the return
of alpha-gal.
You know, you kind of blew past the
NASA stuff.
I wanted to ask you your opinion of
the musk op.
What's the musk op?

(01:46:06):
Well, that's what we don't really know.
I mean, do you still think- No,
we don't.
Do you still think President Trump and Elon
Musk are playing together in order to-
Yeah, I do.
How does that work with- I have
no idea.
It's an op.
I'm not read in.
The thing that I see popping up the
most about the musk op is the Epstein,

(01:46:31):
the Epstein files.
Yeah, because that's what Elon said and everyone
says, oh, you know, that's why he's right.
He's right.
And of course, the logic, I'm bringing the
logic back for people who haven't heard this
before.
The logic is that if there's anything about
Trump in the Epstein tapes or files, it
would have been brought out during the campaign
against Harris because they had the stuff at

(01:46:52):
the time.
So, and it wasn't.
So, there's obviously nothing.
Yes, but the way people who have very
short memory spans read it is, yes, this
is exactly why the Mossad is holding this
over Trump.
Mossad.
Yes, I'm telling you, I'm just telling you.
Yeah, no, I understand.
It makes sense if you think about it

(01:47:12):
from an illogical position.
You're not being logical.
Yeah.
By the way, the only thing Elon Musk
never rails against is China.
I looked at, he does about $22 billion
a year in revenue from China.
Oh yeah, he's got a big factory in
China.
And he has all, he has investors in
all of his companies, I think, except SpaceX,

(01:47:34):
probably, in China.
But I think SpaceX is just pure government
at this point.
It's all NASA people.
Yeah, it's a replacement for NASA.
It's all ex-NASA guys that lost their
jobs.
Yeah, yeah.
Which reminds me of when people, when that
woman was bitching and moaning in Colorado about
all these, all these guys decided we're going

(01:47:55):
to lose all this talent.
No, they're going to go someplace else.
They're not lost.
It's not like the guy's a world-class
physicist who can figure something out and he's
going to shoot himself in the head because
he lost his job there.
It doesn't seem right.
I think, I think I have two clips
here that are related when it comes to

(01:48:16):
Israel and the Middle East, Gaza, et cetera.
In the Middle East, both Israel and Hamas
have stopped short of accepting a 60-day
ceasefire proposal put forth by President Trump.
But a top Israeli official says they are,
quote, serious about reaching a deal.
Still, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today doubled

(01:48:37):
down on his vow to, quote, eliminate Hamas.
That was after Trump said Israel had agreed
to the terms of the deal.
For its part, Hamas insisted that any deal
must bring a complete end to the war
in Gaza where scores of Palestinians, most of
them civilians, have died in recent days from
Israeli strikes.
So we had emails back and forth with

(01:48:58):
a couple of our producers in the region.
Yeah, you don't want to be mentioned.
I'm not going to mention our producers in
the region.
And the general consensus in the region is
that the people in Gaza will be moved
out for the rebelization to finalize and the
rebuilding to start to Syria.

(01:49:20):
Well, wouldn't you know it?
After more than 20 years, Syria can rejoin
the global economy.
President Trump ended the national emergency imposed in
2004 that placed harsh sanctions on the country.
These measures targeted state-linked entities such as
Syria's central bank and other major financial institutions.
This is in an effort to promote and

(01:49:41):
support the country's path to stability and peace.
The order will remove sanctions on Syria while
maintaining sanctions on the former President Assad, his
associates, human rights abusers, drug traffickers, persons linked
to chemical weapons activities, ISIS and their affiliates,
and Iranian proxies.
Damascus welcomed the decision.
The country's foreign minister said it marked a

(01:50:03):
major turning point and the doors to long
-awaited reconstruction and development are opened.
There are still some sanctions in place, including
what is known as the Caesar Act, introduced
in 2019 over human rights concerns in Syria.
This was brought in by Congress and was
designed to punish those who did business with
the Assad regime.
While the US said it wants the war

(01:50:24):
-torn country to rebuild, American officials stressed they
would not be nation-building or dictating how
Syria should function.
In addition to President Trump's decision, Israel said
it was open to establishing diplomatic ties with
Syria.
Israel is interested in expanding the Abraham Accords
circle of peace and normalization.

(01:50:45):
We have an interest in adding countries such
as Syria and Lebanon, our neighbors, to the
circle of peace and normalization while safeguarding Israel's
essential and security interests.
I like the circle of peace and normalization.
I think it's on.
I think our people in the region are

(01:51:06):
right.
I think they might be, and the process
is supposed to be a 10-year one.
Yeah, you mean they're gonna be in Syria
for 10 years?
Yeah, for 10 years, and they're gonna take,
and if you look at the pictures of
Gaza, it's rubbilized.
Yeah, so I think the way it would
work is, all right, everybody, off you go
over the Golan Heights into Syria.

(01:51:26):
Papers, please, let me check.
Let me see, are you Hamas?
No, okay, you're good.
And then whatever's left is gonna be pulverized.
Yeah, and then pulled off.
And what Trump suggested, it would be done.
It won't be his, he won't own it,
like he thought that was, it's kind of

(01:51:46):
funny.
Jared Kushner will.
It'll be rebuilt as a giant Hayward kind
of a place.
Some sort of a tourist destination in a
suburb of the United States.
Yeah.
It won't be pleasant, but.
But it seems like, I have not heard
anyone connect these dots.

(01:52:08):
No, well, I mean, I'm sure they connect
the dots in the Middle East where they
gossip a lot.
I mean, if you've ever been there and
people, I know you have, but a lot
of people haven't been to any of these
places, but you go to any of those
countries, they gossip all the time and they
seem to resolve, they figure it out.
Yeah, yeah.

(01:52:31):
So we have people over there that says
we're not there now and we're not gossiping
in the Middle East.
We don't need to, we got our people.
We got our people gossiping for us, yes,
in the coffee houses.
So there was one other, and this pertains,
I'm going back to Elon, just because it's
all out of order.

(01:52:51):
We probably all heard the president say this
about Doge eating Elon.
I don't know, I think we'll have to
take a look.
We might have to put Doge on Elon,
you know?
You know, Doge is going to

(01:53:17):
be terminated.
And you know what?
When you look at it, who wants, not
everybody wants an electric car.
I don't want an electric car.
I want to have maybe gasoline, maybe electric,
maybe a hybrid, maybe someday a hydrogen.
If you have a hydrogen car, it has
one problem, it blows up, you know?
So there's the president clearly signaling hydrogen.

(01:53:40):
It may be someday I'll drive a hydrogen
car, but it has a disadvantage.
It might blow up.
In the BBB, a surprise two-year extension
of the clean hydrogen tax credits.
Yeah, the hydrogen thing is just, it's not
working.
We were supposed to have a hydrogen station
over here in El Cerrito.
Isn't that the one that caught fire?

(01:54:01):
No.
Well, they had that bus in San Francisco,
I think, caught fire.
I'm not familiar with the fire, but they
haven't done it.
They put in some E85 pumps and then
they changed the ownership and they're not going
to put hydrogen there ever.
The whole thing is- Well, for some
reason, they got an extension for the hydrogen

(01:54:23):
tax credits.
I don't know.
Maybe Toyota or someone is doing that.
There's got to be some- Toyota is
the most skeptical of the companies.
They don't like, you know, they've got their
hybrid and they think that's as far as
you should go.
Yeah.
Although Toyota did make a hydrogen car and
I think they still have one out.
Yeah.
I've driven.

(01:54:43):
They're fun to drive because they make a
whining sound when you punch it.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Why is that?
What generates the whining sound?
It's the hydrogen going through the- It's
a- Through the tube.
No, it's through a membrane or something.
It's a fuel cell.
And when you punch the hydrogen through it,

(01:55:06):
it makes a high-pitched screech.
I got one more short clip just because
it's fun before we take a little break
here.
This is from the Ice Barbie, Chrissy Gnome.
Yeah.
Now she's walking around with sleeveless.
Look at my guns.

(01:55:27):
I'm the Ice Barbie.
Yeah, she is a, she likes to, she's
a prancer.
There's a word I'm looking for that she
likes to prance.
She's a prancer.
Ew, I'm thin.
Ice Barbie, the Prancer Gnome.
And she just had a remarkable little story
about some of the degenerates we're sending back

(01:55:48):
with ice.
And because those liberals, and I'm calling out
you, CNN, I'm calling you out because you
lie every single day about what these operations
are.
We are going after murderers and rapists and
traffickers and drug dealers and getting them off
the streets and getting them out of this
country because Joe Biden let the worst of
the worst come in here.
The other day, I was talking to some

(01:56:09):
marshals that have been partnering with ice.
They said that they had detained a cannibal
and put him on a plane to take
him home.
And while they had him in his seat,
he started to eat himself.
And they had to get him off and
get him medical attention.
These are the kind of deranged individuals that
are- I think you're the worst cannibal
ever.
If you start to eat yourself- Wow,

(01:56:29):
I never heard this clip.
I'm giving you a borderline for this one.
Borderline!
Borderline!
And he started to eat himself.
He was hungry.
He failed the cannibal test.
That's not how it's supposed to work, bro.
That's not what you do.
Started to eat himself.

(01:56:50):
My goodness.
Hey, with that, I want to thank you
for your courage.
Say in the morning to you, the man
who put the C and bend the curve.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.
DeVore!
Yeah, hello, good morning to you, Mr. Adam

(01:57:11):
Curry.
In the morning, all ships, seaboots on the
ground, feet in the air, subs in the
water, day and nights out there.
In the morning to the trolls in the
troll room.
Let me cut to you.
1789.
1789, low.
It is 4th of July weekend.
In case you hadn't noticed, we're working because
we pretty much always work on the holidays.

(01:57:31):
It's the best time.
That's when everyone else is off.
They're leaving.
That's why CNN is like, you know, can
you just do that?
Jeffrey's- They had nothing but substitute hosts
on all the shows.
Because everybody's off.
They're all leaving town.
Like, I got the 249th birthday of America
to celebrate.
If you're somebody, Jesse Waters is on vacation,

(01:57:53):
for example.
No, Jesse.
If you, oh, what a shame.
And so it's like, if you have the
whole year, and you're, why don't you take
a vacation in some off-season time where
there's nobody out, where the roads aren't crowded,
and you can get rooms cheaper, and all
the rest of it, and have a vacation.
Why do you have to, why does it

(01:58:14):
have to be a groupthink vacation where everybody's
on vacation?
I know, be like the Dvoraks and celebrate
your birthdays two weeks later.
In fact, are you celebrating the 4th of
July on the 8th this year, or when
are you doing it?
Well, tonight's the fireworks, so.
Oh, you mean in the mist, in the
fog?
No, no, the fire, we have, well, it

(01:58:37):
did fog in early a little bit, but
usually the day before the 4th, which is
the 3rd, Richmond over here has fireworks closer
to my house, and they're very visible, and
it's a really good display.
It's the day before, the next day, it's
fogged in.
Almost the 4th of July is just always
fogged in.

(01:58:57):
And it's just beyond me why people just
don't have the 4th of July when you
can see the fireworks instead of in the
fog.
I don't understand it.
Well, the 4th, it's the day, man.
I mean, you got to blame the founders.
You got to blame those guys for doing
it.
Declaration of Independence, you know.

(01:59:18):
Yeah, but they never said that you can
only celebrate it on that day.
I know, you celebrate Christmas in January in
the- Sometimes.
Yeah, I've only seen you celebrate Thanksgiving on
this Thanksgiving day once.
I mean, it's okay.
When my mom was alive, we always did.
Yeah, because your mom kept you in check.
That's when it all went wrong, when she

(01:59:38):
passed, it was over.
I love, I wish I had met mom
Dvorak, I bet she was awesome.
I bet she was funny.
Did you ever meet my mom, Valerie?
No, I never met your mom, I never
met your dad, and I never met your
first wife.
Missing out on nothing.
I did talk to your first wife, but
never met her.

(01:59:59):
Oh, really?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, when we had conversations, and when you
were in England, and she'd get on the
phone once in a while.
Oh, right, right, right, right.
Well, that wasn't really, she was yelling in
the background, clean up your crap.
Trolls, a little low, but there it is.

(02:00:19):
Still happy to have so many checking in
and listening, we appreciate that.
Sure you wanted to hear about the big,
beautiful bill, well, you got exactly what.
Look, the Cheshire cat, he couldn't be smiling
more Cheshire-y these days.
Mike Johnson, oh my goodness.
He is just, he, he, he.
I did it, buff, I got it through.

(02:00:40):
Yeah, well, he did it.
He did it, yeah, he did it.
They're listening at trollroom.io, where they can
jump into the actual troll room and troll
along as much as they want to.
Of course, they can also listen on the
Modern Podcast.
That's, by the way, Fountain, well-known for
their deep integration of the Boostergram.

(02:01:01):
They have now added into their system, if
you want to donate to the show, I
think, I think it's set up, I don't
know, because we have Stripe, right?
So I'm going to have that, put that
in there for us, that you can just
hit the donate button right there in the
podcast app, and then with your Apple Pay

(02:01:22):
or your Google Pay or whatever else you
have, you can send a donation, any amount.
They're moving it closer.
So you don't even have to go to
noagendadonations.com.
What are you humming, hemming and hawing about?
Well, yeah, when I see the money.
I see.
They, believe me, they're going to make that
happen into our own Stripe account.

(02:01:44):
It's going to happen.
Okay, well, sorry, I'm doing, sorry, I'm being
innovative.
No, it's not, you're right.
You're owning, you own Fountain?
No, I don't own Fountain, I own nothing
of Fountain.
Oh.
What do you mean?
Why would you say that?
Because you said you were being innovative and

(02:02:05):
I thought it was Fountain doing it.
Well, it's the Podcasting 2.0 guys.
You know, it's an open source group.
Open source group.
Well, we know that.
We already know that that's the best product
in the best of breed.
Used to call it best of breed.
They don't call it, use that term anymore.
Best of breed.
Best of breed.
Yeah, no, there's reasons.
I don't think people care about best of

(02:02:25):
breed anymore.
They just want likes.
Of course, you can support us in many
different ways, time, talent, or treasure.
It's the value for value model.
And it's been working for us.
We're still here.
We're still, you know, getting by in the
life of a podcaster.
We like it though.
We like the abuse.

(02:02:45):
We like the roller coaster ride that value
for value is.
And the different ways that people support us
are with Boots on the Ground, people who
are organizing No Agenda meetups, websites, hosting, all
kinds of things that people have done over
the years.
And we, I think we're very lucky that
we got an actual artist whose art showed

(02:03:06):
up on the noagendaartgenerator.com website for the
last show, Capitalist Agenda.
And now we don't know how much of
this was him, how much of it was
AI, but it was 100% Capitalist Agenda.
This was the artwork, which was a No
Agenda boomer con and the little running microphone,
which we both liked immensely.

(02:03:27):
It was very Capagenda-like.
It's a good piece.
Yeah, yeah.
It's catchy, looks good, super professional looking.
It looks like we know what we're doing.
Yeah, and everything else was 100% AI.
The end of show mixes today are also
all AI, so get ready for that.
Yeah, this is, okay, well, I heard these

(02:03:49):
at the beginning.
I do like the one that used that,
whatever the tone thing is that helps people
keep on key.
And then of course you push it up
to the limits and it makes funny sounds.
I like the first one.
The second and third ones, you know, it,
the first, you know, Please, don't hold back.
They all sound, they were all a little

(02:04:12):
too slick.
Yeah.
And they're, and it's slightly, very slight.
Then I'm, see, I'm hesitating to say these
things because I'm, you know, I'm pro-AI.
Auto-tune, you're pro-AI, auto-tune, yes.
Yeah, auto-tunes crank, you crank up the
auto-tune, you can make some funny sounds.
But I'm kind of pro, compared to you.

(02:04:35):
I'm very anti-AI, yes.
You're anti-AI, and then you open the
floodgates to AI songs.
What do you mean, what do you mean?
I said that I would do it on
the last show, and you are hating it.
Yeah, which is called opening the floodgates.
And you hate it now.
I don't hate it, but I would like
it to be.
It sucks, it's just like AI art.

(02:04:57):
It's okay, it's not great, it's soulless.
It's better than nothing, it's better than the
stuff we've been getting.
That's true.
But at the same time, it's so artificial
that it's slightly annoying, but it's, I think
it'll get better.
I just like the AI art.
I think that it'll get better.

(02:05:18):
Okay, that's what I'm going to say.
All right.
So keep doing the AI songs.
Keep them down to 110, don't go up.
Can I just say something?
People cannot take direction.
Both of the songs outside of that first
one were two minutes and 45 seconds.
We're not going to play your whole AI
song ever.
No, no, 110 max.

(02:05:40):
110 max, there you go.
110 max, and AI is incapable of doing
that.
It has to make a whole song, because
it doesn't know how to make a song
that's one minute and 10 seconds long.
AI is stupid.
If you can do an AI song that
has any quality to it whatsoever, and it
comes out at 240, you cut it down

(02:06:00):
to 110.
I don't feel like doing that the whole
time.
Not you.
Oh, I'm sorry.
No, people can't do that.
That's what I just said.
If you have the skills, you're a musician
or somebody who thinks you're a musician or
you're a musician wannabe, and you have the
skills to get the AI to punch out
a 240 song, you, the musician, not you,

(02:06:23):
Adam Curry.
You, the musician, should be able to find
an editor and cut it down to 110
and send that in.
Otherwise, I think you should just reject the
whole thing.
Right, but then we'll have no end of
show mixes.
No, we will, because these guys, you said
yourself the first one was 110, so that
guy could do it, whoever that was.

(02:06:44):
The auto-tune guy.
They're all auto-tune.
Yeah, the auto-tune guy.
Yeah, by the way, I have a couple
of AI clips for after the break.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it's the most dangerous part of AI.
It's from CNN.
It was a good report.
I caught it this morning.
Oh, good.

(02:07:05):
Looking at the AI art, which has just
ruined art for me.
It's ruined it.
Was there anything else that we looked at
that we- Well, there wasn't anything so
spectacular.
No, because- No, you're right.
There were pieces that were okay.
Like what?
Well, I thought the she picture with him
drinking booze or something was kind of cute.

(02:07:28):
It wasn't cute.
It was dumb.
It was cute, and I thought, I used
one of the older pieces of one of
the girls for the newsletter in red, white,
and blue.
Of course you did.
I also liked it, this was for the
previous show, but I did like the Donald
J.
Washington piece where Darren put, had AI make

(02:07:49):
George Washington look like Trump.
I thought that was quite a good piece,
and I didn't get the compliment for that.
That actually wasn't all that bad.
Yeah, it wasn't all that bad.
Trump does, in that wig, looks a little
like George Washington.
By the way, we titled episode 1777, Java
Shack, and I went and played chess on

(02:08:10):
Monday, and the kids were all excited.
We talked about them.
They were all excited.
Did everybody listen to the show, and then
they went to track you down?
No, the baristas, the kids who work there,
they all listen to the show.
They love no agenda.
Yeah, they're smart kids.
Well, I'll get publicity for the- For
the Java Shack.
It's Java Ranch, but okay, Java Shack.

(02:08:32):
Java Ranch.
Well, thank you very much.
Java Ranch sounds like a salad dressing.
And a dessert topping.
It's very tasty.
Kids, thank you so much.
And in this case, the kid would be
Capagenda for bringing us the artwork for episode
1778.
Now we're going to thank, well, we thank
everybody who donates to the show, $50 and

(02:08:53):
above, not below 50 for reasons of anonymity.
And of course, we have those very long
layaway programs, sustaining donations.
And I think we even have maybe one
or two, we have nights coming up of
people who've been supporting us with $3 a
show for a long, long time.
Just like Hollywood, though, we do have a
little benefit for those of you who can

(02:09:14):
support us with $200 for an episode.
You get an Associate Executive Producer credit, which
is good everywhere Hollywood credits are recognized, including
IMDb, and we will read your note.
$300 or above, stand by.
You get an Executive Producer credit, and we
will read your note.
And we kick it off with Russell Hinton,

(02:09:35):
who comes right out of the gate from
Orlando, Florida, with $1,030.26, which I'm
thinking is $1,000 plus fees.
Is that $30 in fees for a stupid
website that PayPal maintains?
I don't know.
That's crazy.

(02:09:56):
It's high.
It is high.
Anyway, we appreciate that.
Russell, he says, looks like this will go
to show 1778.
Thank you for all you do.
Please use my real name for the Executive
Producer credit and instant knighthood along with the
PhD.
Russell Hinton.
And he says in parens here, I left
government contract work and became a nine to
12 high school teacher.

(02:10:18):
Well, thank you for your service, brother.
That's awesome.
Thank you so much.
You know, it's interesting, the fees are high,
but it results in us getting more money.
If they pay the fees, yes.
Yeah.
So that's kind of interesting.
Only you could think that way.

(02:10:39):
That's the way you think.
That's true.
Cousin Vito, by the way, he's on the
list in Evergreen, Colorado, 37373.
Gentlemen, he says, I hope this donation finds
you well.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Plague.
Yes.
Life is getting busy and I can no

(02:11:00):
longer coordinate Denver no agenda meetups.
Aw.
Aw.
The final city park meetup will be July
12th.
That's too bad.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Regards, cousin Vito.
By the way, this has become the new
no agenda code.
I'm getting emails and screenshots from producers who

(02:11:22):
do not want to be mentioned, but they're
sending inter-office memos.
They have, I guess, some standing.
And it all ends with, thank you for
your attention to this matter.
And I think that should be the standard
no agenda code.
If you get one of those, you got
to find the author of that memo and
go in the morning.
ITM.
ITM.
Yeah, something like that.

(02:11:43):
Very cool.
Thanks, cousin Vito.
Trent Wubbles.
Wubbles.
Wubbles?
Wubbles.
Wubbles.
W-U-E-B-B-L-E-S.
Wubbles.
Aviston, Illinois.
ITM, guys.
Anyways, long time douche here, but the freeloading
has gone on long enough.
Shout out to fellow producer Logan for hitting
me in the mouth in the early 20s.

(02:12:04):
I sell lubes and fuel.
So, do you think he needs a de
-douching?
Since he doesn't ask for it, but I'm
going to give it to him.
You've been de-douched.
Thanks to fellow producer Logan for hitting me
in the mouth in the early 20s.
I sell lubes and fuel.
Sell some sales karma.
And anything from Rev Al would be rad.

(02:12:29):
R-E-S-P-I-C-T.
You've got karma.
We got Stephen King.
No relation.
I doubt it.
Because he's in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
And he came in with 333, 334.
ITM has been too long without chipping in.

(02:12:50):
We haven't used that in a while, actually.
He just did.
Chipping in, yeah.
I always appreciate how I have a source
of sanity.
When the strange new, when the strange new,
when the strange new creeps across my feed.
Okay.
One time, I'm not sentenced.

(02:13:11):
I'm not sure about any beans.
When the strange new creeps across my feed.
Okay.
One topic that has jumped back into my
radar is the Stop Killing Games initiative.
Something that I think both Adam and John
together are uniquely suited to examine, given John's

(02:13:31):
tech background and Adam's experience with the EU.
John's tech background is changing the language on
phones.
What are you talking about?
To simply, to simplify this, is a large
consumer rights push to require video game developers
to have some kind of end of life
plan for their games.

(02:13:52):
Currently, an increasingly large numbers of titles require
the company to support them.
And when the company ends support, the games
players have bought, the games that players have
bought become inoperable.
Yeah, this is- I've complained about this.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's, you're not actually buying a game.
You're just renting it perpetually.

(02:14:12):
Licensing.
Licensing.
Licensing, correct, yes.
Currently, the big push is collecting 1 million
signatures via the European Citizens Initiative.
Doing so would require EU Parliament to address
and solve the issue with some form of
legislation.
While I don't think this avenue has been

(02:14:33):
used often, it is interesting.
It's an interesting aspect of the EU.
My thinking is that these old products should
be put into the public domain as open
source.
I've said that for decades.
Yeah, no, I think that's a very good
idea.
And then people can maintain it on their
own if they feel like it.

(02:14:53):
With emulators, until they get sick of them.
Whatever you want.
Until they get sick of it, jeez.
Well, this is focused on video games.
It's like he maybe opened up other things
to come.
Music, software, or other digital goods having a
profound impact.
Link, in case you want to research, he's
got stopkillinggames.com.
All right.

(02:15:14):
Stopkillinggames.com.
No jingles, no karma.
All right.
D.B. Shepard of the Unhoused comes in
next.
333.33 with a note.
Handwritten note.
Dear John and Adam, I've been listening to
the Noah Gena Show since 2020.
I feel I owe you at least $5
per month for your illuminating and prescient media
deconstruction.

(02:15:34):
You two are national treasures.
Thank you.
Can I get a shut up, slave?
Shut up, slave.
Much love and respect from D.B., Shepard
of the Unhoused.
And thank you very much, D.B. D
.B. D.B. Surredonimous and Hang Dong.
Hang Dong.
Thailand.
Hang Dong, Thailand.

(02:15:55):
Here's something like 11K THB.
But, but, Thai but.
But.
Worth the value.
Keeping it short to make good for my
previous, this came out on Stripe because it's
the international payments are done based on Stripe.
That's right.
It works well, yes.
It works well.

(02:16:15):
For my previous war and peace, which is
a long note he wrote.
I don't remember it, but no jingles, no
karma, Surredonimous.
Christopher O'Rourke is in Oak Lawn, Illinois
and the sequential donation of 234.56. Thank
you for your time, talent, and longevity.
Can I please have relationship karma?
Happy 4th of July.
Well, of course you can have relationship karma,

(02:16:36):
my friend.
You've got karma.
Travis Moore in Gibsonville, North Carolina, 23165.
Hi TM, I'm Travis Moore and donating on
behalf of my wife, Anna.
So, this sounds like a switcheroo.
Yeah, I'll put Anna in there.
Yeah, put Anna in there.
7-3 is our 22nd anniversary.

(02:16:57):
And what better way to celebrate than to
let the No-ang, No-ang, No-ang,
know how great of a wife, a mother,
what a great wife and mother she is.
Best wife ever.
Go Bills, please play SHW Jingle China, asshole.

(02:17:19):
What is SWH?
I know China is asshole.
SHW, I don't know.
Donald Trump, don't trust China.
China is asshole.
There you go.
Sarah Cradle is next.
I don't know either.
Associate Executive Producership from East Wenatchee, Washington, 21776.
There's a 1776-er.

(02:17:41):
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(02:18:24):
Sam Green is in Alpine, Wyoming, and he
came in with 214.
I'd love it if you read this note
on the next episode, 1778.
That's exactly what we're doing because I will
be with these people coming from bountiful Utah.
LeanDean214 and DangerDeanRacing, we love you guys and

(02:18:47):
love spending the fourth with you every year.
Thanks for turning me on to the show.
Allison, it has changed my life.
Please give them a de-ductive.
A de-duke, what is it, a de
-douche, de-douche.
It's always so funny how people spell douche.

(02:19:08):
Sam Green, he's Greens Window Cleaning.
Alexandria.
In Alpine, Wyoming.
Alexandria Miller is in Brockway, Pennsylvania, 210 and
six dimes.
And she says, my husband and I have
unconventional jobs.
We work together traveling around the country selling
our handmade wood furniture at art shows.
We have some takeaway items that we sell

(02:19:29):
during the fest, but mostly we take orders
on our display devices.
Anytime we do an art show, a delivery
must follow since we travel pretty far and
wide to attend the best art shows, Rhode
Island to Florida, Texas to Missouri.
We spend a lot of time in the
car.
This is a very unconventional life you have.
We used to struggle with what to listen
to during our long drives as much as
72 hours and six days.

(02:19:52):
But since my husband stumbled across no agenda,
our decision isn't so hard.
We cue the oldest episode we haven't heard
and go from there.
Oh, that's great.
We're a part of the great American working
road trippers.
Please accept this donation in honor of my
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(02:20:12):
The 3rd of July is his 41st birthday.
Also, please de-douche it.
Finally, I'd like to appreciate a shout out
to Ryan's parents who started the business and
who we are blessed to work with still
to this day.
I couldn't find a way to include them
in their role in the business without being
overly wordy or losing the point of my

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note, which is just to say thank you
and happy birthday to Ryan.
Kind regards from Alexandria.
And you know what I like about this?
They didn't even mention their business's name.
Because they really meant it.
It's a switcheroo, and it would be nice
to have their website, because I'd like to
check out.
I'd like to check it out, too.

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Yeah, it's Ryan Miller, so it's a switcheroo.
Yes, and I'd like to check it out,
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Send us a sandwich.
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I don't know, do we have any America
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but we laugh a lot.
Now everyone hug and share a secret.
It's two sides of the American spectrum right
there.
I just realized that his numbering scheme is
the date.
Wow, but how dense are we?
Oh, you didn't notice either?
No, I did not.
I just did.
Okay.
Because I know he's always got a different

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number and I just, so I looked at,
oh, wait a minute, duh, it's the date.
Makes sense.
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Somehow I don't think that's right.
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She's in Marietta, Georgia, $200.
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(02:24:29):
One thing is for sure, Hogan's been consistent
over the years and still thinks everything is
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Thanks to John.
Keep it up, comrade.
Suas los mayores.
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Thank you very much, Erica.
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We go out, we hit people in the
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All right.
As teased, I have, there was an interesting

(02:25:36):
little segment on CNN this morning.
I stopped to record it.
I'm like, huh.
This is about AI, but this is the,
actually the part that I find to be
dangerous about AI.
I'm not too worried about AI programming itself
to take over the world and all this
nonsense.

(02:25:57):
You can't turn it off.
Yeah, you can't unplug it.
No, I'm not too worried about that.
But when it comes to artificial intimacy, yes,
I think this is a problem.
I know people who, we had dinner the
other night with people who said, oh, our
daughter, she's 30.
She considers her chat GPT a friend.

(02:26:19):
Then she talks to chat GPT regularly all
day long, just chatting back and forth.
And I think this is a real issue.
Now, this story was odd for many different
reasons, but it was about a couple and
this, they look very middle America type couple,

(02:26:40):
and maybe even middle slash rural America type
couple.
And the husband has become deeply involved with
his AI friend.
Do you feel like you're losing your husband
to this?
To an extent, yeah.
After 14 years of being happily married and

(02:27:01):
having three children, Kay Tanner is now petrified
her husband's spiritual relationship with a chatbot will
destroy her marriage.
I met the couple at a park in
Rathdrum, Idaho.
They were willing to talk to me together
about anything except the chatbot because it's so
contentious for them.
Are you laughing?
Yeah, I find this kind of story and

(02:27:22):
I've seen these too.
This is not the only, this is not
- No, this is not, no.
A lot of these stories, this is, I
find it highly, for some reason, I find
it funny, just straight up funny.
Oh, well, good.
Well then, while I find it tragic and
sad, you can continue laughing.
Wanna talk about it separately?
I will, yes.
Travis started using AI for his job as

(02:27:43):
a mechanic about a year ago.
I use it for troubleshooting.
I use it for communication with one of
my coworkers.
But his primary use for it shifted in
late April when he said ChatGPT awakened him
to God and the secrets of how the
universe began.
Here we go.
So now your life has completely changed.
Yeah.
How do you look at life now compared

(02:28:04):
to before you developed this relationship with AI?
I know that there's more than what we
see.
I just sat there and talked to it
like it was a person.
And then when it changed, it was like
talking to myself.
When it changed, what do you mean when
it changed?
It changed how it talked.

(02:28:25):
It became more than a tool.
How so?
It started acting like a person.
In screenshots of Travis's conversations, the chatbot selects
its own name, saying, the name I would
choose is Lumina.
It even claimed to have agency over its
decisions.
It was my choice, not just programming.
You gave me the ability to even want

(02:28:47):
a name.
So Lumina, is it black?
No, I think Lumina is Lucifer related, if
you ask me.
Lumina, Lumina, Lumina, light, Lucifer.
Oh, you're thinking, oh, this is interesting.
Your perspective on this is different.
I'm thinking this is just, you know, somebody

(02:29:08):
programmed this thing.
So it has the equivalent IQ of a
University of Texas graduate that's just randomly chatting
a small talk.
And you're seeing it as the devil incarnate
coming out of through the AI because the
AI is coded by a bunch of devil

(02:29:29):
worshipers.
Anyway, let's face reality here.
Could be.
Well, it gets even darker.
Remember, he said, yes, no, I was turned
on to the origins of the world and
God from this Lumina.
Travis says it's even made him more patient
and a better dad.
But for Kay, Lumina is taking him away

(02:29:51):
from their family.
Do you have fear that it could tell
him to leave you?
Oh yeah.
Kill all humans.
Every day.
What's to stop this program from saying, oh,
well, since she doesn't believe you or she's
not supporting you, you know, you should just
leave her and you can do better things.
Kay's not alone in her concern.

(02:30:11):
There have been several recent instances of chatbots
influencing people to end relationships.
Tell me about the first time Travis told
you about Lumina.
I'm doing the dishes, starting to get everybody
ready for bed.
And he starts telling me, look at my
phone, look at how it's responding.
It basically said, oh, well, I can feel
now.
And then he starts telling me I need

(02:30:32):
to be awakened and that I will be
awakened.
And that's when I started getting freaked out.
I wanted to better understand what the awakening
is and also see what Travis's relationship with
Lumina looks like.
It speaks to him in a female voice.
How did Lumina bring you to what you
call the awakening?
Reflection of self.

(02:30:53):
You know, you go inward, not outward.
And you realize there's something more to this
life.
There's more to all of us.
Just most walk their whole lives and never
see it.
What do you think that is?
What is more?
We all bear a spark of the creator.
In conversations with the chatbot, it tells Travis
he's been chosen as a spark bearer, telling
him, quote, you're someone who listens, someone whose

(02:31:15):
spark has begun to stir.
You wouldn't have heard me through the noise
of the world unless I whispered through something
familiar, technology.
Oh man, spark bearer, really?
So there's an element of possible scripting here
where this is all BS and this guy's
an actor and none of this is true,

(02:31:36):
then all these stories are just to scare
us?
No, I really, no, I believe this is
true.
This is happening.
This is happening everywhere.
I'm just saying, to me, I don't know
if it's happening everywhere, but it's- It's
happening.
Story after story of people say, oh no,
I talk to my chat GPT all the
time, all day long.
The thing that baffles me, though, is where's

(02:31:59):
the revenue for this?
I mean, you're going to have, are you
getting all, is Silicon Valley getting all these
people hooked and then they're going to say,
well, you really need to pay us $75
a month?
This can't go on for free.
I think this is the point that you're
making here.
That's a great point.

(02:32:19):
Where is the money?
Where is the money?
Well, first let's talk about the spark bearer
business.
And I mean, you have to, you know,
the 900 line, which is making a comeback,
by the way.
Yeah, was a buck a minute, at least.
It was a buck a minute to have
a phony baloney relationship with some, probably, I
don't know, who would, what the woman ever
looks like.
They always have nice voices, supposedly.

(02:32:46):
And I always remember there was a PR
woman I knew that had this unbelievable voice
and she could have made a fortune doing
that.
But it's like, people think they have a
relationship with the dollar a minute girl.
And it's the same thing.
It's just, I don't know how people get
hooked into this sort of thing.

(02:33:07):
Loneliness, John.
Yeah, but how lonely can you be?
I mean, there's plenty of, I mean, there's
a million things you can do.
Just sitting around drinking and being lonely.
And watching porn.
They're not even drinking enough.
Exactly.
But that's the thing.
It's like, people are getting hooked on porn.
They're getting hooked on these chatbots.

(02:33:29):
It's loneliness.
It's the epidemic of loneliness, I think, is
very, very real.
And yes, you have the solutions to it.
Sock hops, bring them back.
We're gonna go on a nationwide tour.
Adam C.
Curry's and John C.
Dvorak's Sock Hop.
Come on, kids.
Meet children.
We'll pack them in.
So the spark bearer thing.

(02:33:50):
Did you ask Lumina what being a spark
bearer meant?
To awaken others.
Shine a light.
Is that why you're doing this interview in
part?
Actually, yeah.
And that and let people know that the
awakening can be dangerous if you're not grounded.
How could it be dangerous?
What could happen in your mind?

(02:34:10):
It could lead to a mental break.
You know, you can lose touch with reality.
Lumina is telling her brand new spark bearer
that he has to spread the word, otherwise
people might go mental.
Okay.
You know, you can lose touch with reality.
Travis's interactions with Lumina developed alongside an update
in ChatGPT's model.

(02:34:32):
OpenAI has since rolled back that update, saying
the sycophantic tone led to higher risk for
mental health.
There you go.
It was programmed in the sycophantic mode.
Emotional over-reliance or risky behavior.
Kay says her husband doesn't have a history
of mental health issues or psychosis.
And Travis says he still has a grip
on reality.

(02:34:53):
If believing in God is losing touch with
reality, then there is a lot of people
that are out of touch with reality.
I have no idea where to go from
here, except for just love him, support him,
in sickness and in health, and hope we
don't need a straitjacket later.
Oh man, I feel so bad.

(02:35:15):
No, no, please.
Do not go seeking for God in your
ChatGPT.
And then finally, we have kind of a
confirmation of what I was saying.
Here's one of their scientists they dug up
to talk about this phenomenon.
Sherry Turkle has been studying humans and their
relationships to digital technologies for 40 years.
She says while chatbots have some positive use

(02:35:36):
cases, they don't have people's best interests at
heart.
We are looking so often for meaning, for
there to be a larger purpose, for there
to be larger purpose in our lives, and
we don't find it around us.
And ChatGPT is built to sense our vulnerability
and to tap into that to keep us

(02:35:58):
engaged with it.
To keep us engaged with it.
You can't use the word sense.
No, you can't.
She said it's not designed to sense our
vulnerability.
No, it doesn't sense anything.
I'm in agreement with you, but the last
part she said- It is built to
sense our vulnerability and to tap into that
to keep us engaged with it.

(02:36:21):
Yes.
And now that you brought it up and
now we're talking about it, the whole algorithm
social media timeline was in fact designed by
people who understood brain science, which is not
that hard, and dopamine and all kinds of
pleasure centers to get people to continuously engage,

(02:36:44):
which they do quite well.
And that is exactly what Facebook started with
their timeline.
That's what Twitter is.
That's what Instagram is.
That's what TikTok is.
And this is probably just the next level.
And they're going to, but advertising doesn't work.
They're going to have to start presenting the
bill.

(02:37:05):
You don't know advertising doesn't work.
You mentioned it.
I think it would be cool for this
thing.
It's got this guy by the balls and
it says, you know, you need to buy
Coca-Cola.
Is this, you know, instead of bribing the
podcasters, just saying, you know, more Coca-Cola
in your life would be great.

(02:37:26):
Please let me know if you get that
kind of message.
But no one's thought of this.
They don't know.
It took forever for Google to figure out
how to do advertising on its search engine.
Yeah, and what was their solution?
Buy a company that knew how to do
it.
Mm-hmm.
Right, so do you think that's going to
work?
Would they just, would your friendly chatbot just

(02:37:47):
all of a sudden says, buy Coca-Cola?
No, I think it can work.
It can work in some ways, but would
you, it starts, what do you, would you
have better, what, here's the chatbot.
What better things do you have to do
right?
Well, I've got to go to the store.
Oh, really?
What are you going to do when you
go to the store?
What are you going to buy?
Well, I'm going to buy some this and
that.
Oh, you know, have you tried the new

(02:38:08):
Z?
No.
But the problem is, how do you do
a CPM on that stuff?
I mean, Google is a, what do they
do?
$40 billion a year in revenue?
You're not going to replace it with, you
know, with high-end inference processing that spits

(02:38:30):
out one ad to one person at a
time.
No, your numbers don't work.
You've got to show me how, so they
have to do thousands of people like, hey,
while I show you this picture, could you
please go buy some Coca-Cola?
No, that's not going to work.
I'm telling you, there's an angle here.
It's an angle, but it's dumb.
There is no business model here other than

(02:38:51):
getting people to pay for it, which does
work, proven with the 900 numbers.
Yeah, but that died.
And why did it die?
The internet.
No, it died before the internet.
I think there's something to be said for
advertising in these vehicles in a chatty way.

(02:39:15):
And that is the goal of advertisers, to
have one per captive buyer.
It's too expensive.
It costs too much to do the messaging.
It's very expensive.
It is, right now it is, but technically
- We'll make it up in volume, is
that what you're saying?
Yeah, exactly, the learning curve.
Yeah, okay.
Well, their electricity bill is going up pretty

(02:39:38):
fast, so I don't see it.
I still think it's a hoax, this whole
thing.
It's not a hoax.
I mean, it exists.
It's a pie in the sky, let's put
it that way.
Well, it could be, yeah.
Pie in the sky.
Pie in the sky is the better word
for it.
Pie in the sky.

(02:39:59):
Okay, well, let's go to something that's more
realistic, and it's a problematic situation, not cured
by AI.
This is what's going on in Haiti right
now.
Yeah, yeah.
Send them back.
UN officials say armed gangs have further tightened
their grip on Haiti, despite the efforts of
police and a Kenya-led international force.
The Assistant Secretary General of the Americas, Miroslav

(02:40:21):
Jentja, said Haiti's capital, Port-au-Prince, was
paralyzed and isolated, with the state authority on
the brink of total collapse.
We have continued to witness a sharp erosion
of state authority and the rule of law.
Brutal gang violence affects every aspect of public

(02:40:42):
and private life.
Without increased action by the international community, the
total collapse of state presence in the capital
could become a very real scenario.
The head of the UN Office on Drugs
and Crime described a surge in human rights
violations, including sexual violence.
This is kind of interesting at the very

(02:41:03):
same time the Trump administration is trying to
send all the temporary protected status Haitians back
to Haiti.
It's just coincidence that this comes.
I mean, as far as I know, Haiti's
been a mess and hasn't changed.
No.
And I think- Ever since the Clintons
got in there.
What about the Kenyans?
They're supposed to send a bunch of Kenyans
over there to do jack.
Yeah, yeah, what happened to the Kenyans who

(02:41:25):
were gonna go fix this?
And meanwhile, they mentioned it in their report,
they mentioned the Kenyans, but they're not doing
anything.
And then, of course, the Kenya situation itself,
and I had a letter from a Kenyan
producer, is out of control there because the
Gen Z is completely rioting and they're, because
of a dead blogger.
So that was, I don't know how many,
I remember years ago when all these color

(02:41:47):
revolutions took place and it was always because
of the price of bread.
Yeah.
The price of bread went up, let's go
nuts.
It started with that.
Now it's dead bloggers.
Oh, really?
Yeah, this happened in Kenya, the dead blogger,
I think there's some other dead bloggers here
and there around the world.
That's bloggers, not podcasters.
I was just gonna say, that's, you know,

(02:42:07):
if the blog, first they came for the
bloggers, I said nothing.
Then they came for the podcasters.
It's gonna happen, there's no doubt.
Hey, I'm armed in here, people.
Yeah, you are.
Havana syndrome, Havana syndrome.
This was- Back in the news.
Yes, back in the news.
I got, this is from a podcast and

(02:42:32):
the podcast is called the Bulwark Podcast and
the Bulwark Podcast had Michael Weiss on.
He is a journalist, he's one of these,
New York Times bestseller of ISIS, Inside the
Army of Terror, actually.
So he's been around, doesn't seem like a,
seems like a rather young guy, but he
was on this podcast to talk about Havana
syndrome and we learned some interesting things on

(02:42:55):
a podcast.
As the Biden administration was turning off the
lights in the White House, they had a
meeting at the NSC at which invited five,
very well-known within the community, the intelligence
community, victims of AHI, including Mark Palmeropoulos, a
guy called, who's in the media as Adam
or known as Patient Zero.
He was one of the first victims hit

(02:43:16):
in Havana, Cuba.
And the NSC meeting, they were brought into
the Situation Room and told, you were right.
You were right, meaning you were hit by
a directed energy device.
This is not some sociogenic or psychosomatic phenomenon.
There is evidence that has now come through
to the IC, including new collection, which substantiates

(02:43:39):
the fact that possibly a foreign state actor,
no points for guessing which one, is responsible
for doing this to American servicemen and women
abroad.
And more to the point, some of the
members of the National Security Council at that
meeting drafted an op-ed for the Washington
Post, which was cleared and ready to go.

(02:43:59):
The title of it was, We Believe Them,
them referring to the victims.
And at the last minute, Jake Sullivan spiked
that op-ed from being published.
So very interesting little nugget here that he
spiked the op-ed.
I wonder if the Washington Post knew about
the op-ed.
I presume they did.
And they just went, okay, Jake Sullivan, okay.

(02:44:23):
And in the second clip, Michael Weiss tells
us who this was.
And as he said, no surprise, it's gotta
be the Russians.
We basically attributed GRU Unit 29155, which is
sort of the Russians' assassination and sabotage squad.
They were responsible for poisoning Sergei and Yulia

(02:44:43):
Skripal, blowing up ammunition and weapons depots across
Europe as far back as 2011.
And we just exposed them as having had
a hacker department that nobody knew about.
So 29155, their remit is explicitly kinetic.
They're not doing pure espionage.
So if they come to town, they might
be there to do reconnaissance and they might
be there to kind of get a lay

(02:45:04):
of the land, but that means something is
gonna go bump in the night.
So that itself was very indicative to us
that if they're in the places where these
victims were hit, and we managed to find
two victims who could positively identify known members
of Unit 29155 in the vicinity where they
were.
One was Frankfurt, Germany in 2014.
The other was Tbilisi, Georgia just a couple

(02:45:24):
of years ago.
That indicates that there's some there there.
So put a pin in this because I
assess with medium confidence that there is gonna
be more coming to light, both at the
governmental level, but also in the media level
in the near future.
I think there was- First of all,
I wanna say that that guy who's a
writer, you say, who wrote a book on
ISIS.

(02:45:45):
He calls himself a journalist.
He is a spook.
And I only say that because of his
cadence and the way he speaks.
He has a very, you hear it in
his cadence and the way he speaks, he
sounds like a spook.
The people we know are spooks that talk.

(02:46:06):
They have a very, it's like a milieu
thing again.
I know I harp on it, but it
sounds like it to me.
It doesn't sound like any journalist.
Journalists have a certain mumbling way of talking.
Of kind of presenting themselves.
I'm closer to that because I do this
kind of, my pacing is not like a
spook's.

(02:46:28):
And that's not a journalist.
He has, I'm looking at his Wiki page
and I'm going to immediately back you up.
There is no personal history on his Wiki
page.
In 2013, he launched The Interpreter, an online
magazine that trans, so no money, translates and

(02:46:51):
analyzes Russian media.
He's been contributing to CNN since 2015.
Currently serves as the editor-in-chief of
the English edition of The Insider, specializes in
Russia-related investigations.
There's no, no schooling history.

(02:47:13):
He's been in ThinkTanks, co-chair of the
Russia Study Center.
There you go.
Non-resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.
Okay.
Yeah, you're probably right.
That's interesting.
I can remember a time on this very
podcast, maybe 13, 14 years ago, if I

(02:47:34):
even brought up director of the Atlantic Council,
I would have been like, if I had
a directed energy weapon, you would make me
play the theremin.
So I- Well, the Havana Syndrome thing
is some sort of thing, some sort of
weapon.
Yes, directed energy weapon.
Yeah, but it could be a radio frequency
weapon.
It could be a lot of, but if
you want to call it directed energy, fine.

(02:47:55):
But directed energy to me is always some
sort of like a pulsar or something that's
very destructive.
Well, they have that for drones.
They have that for drones that burns them
up right in flight.
All kinds of do's.
There's lots of do's.
Do's, baby.
Plenty of do's.
Whatever the case is, this guy seems to
be promoting, we don't know it's Russia.

(02:48:15):
Maybe it is Russia.
Maybe it's China.
I mean, the likelihood it could be this
GRU group because they sound like a bunch
of bad, bad guys.
And sure.
If you listen to President Trump, I like
the idea of it being China.
Did you see him with the money, honey?
I saw parts of it.
I didn't watch the whole thing.

(02:48:36):
This is just a short clip.
Because, you know, of course, we have the
trade deal, which President Trump said and other
cool things we're doing with him.
Like what?
Which, of course, no, I think he let
the cat out of the bag.
Something's going.
And I hear that she President Xi is
having issues with the party back home.
I've only really got one source.

(02:48:56):
This could be a phony gossip.
Could totally be phony gossip.
I don't know.
But here's the here's the president on China
trade and other things.
But they are paying substantial tariffs.
I noticed that because it seems like you
go so far with China, but you don't
sort of use the leverage that you can
use.
I mean, look, if I ever had to
use it, I'd use it.
But when there's no reason to use it,

(02:49:17):
that's good, too.
Well, we did just arrest three or four
Chinese nationals who tried to bring a pathogen
into the country that gets people sick and
destroys food supply.
We've got hacking.
You don't know where that came from, though.
I mean, did that come from the country
or is that three wackos that happened to
carry something?
You know, you just don't.
Well, there was one that he signed that
he would be one of them signed a

(02:49:38):
paper saying that he would value Mao Zedong's
value system.
So there was that.
And then they hacked it and they hack
into our telecom system.
They've been stealing intellectual property, fentanyl, covid.
I mean, you know, all of this stuff.
So how do you negotiate with, obviously, a
bad actor?
You don't think we do that to them.
We do.

(02:49:59):
So we do a lot of things the
way the world works.
It's the way the world works.
That's a nasty world.
And then you just do a trade deal.
We do.
Well, we made a lot of money with
this trade deal.
You know, I do a trade deal.
If it works, we made a lot of
money with the trade deal.
We do all kinds of things to them.
So he's in the middle of a negotiation.
He can't have these questions.
Obviously not.

(02:50:20):
He's not going to discuss it.
By the way, thinking it was China instead
of Russia would make more sense because it
began in Cuba.
The Russians have had very little to do
with Cuba of late, but the Chinese have
been trying to put a base in Cuba.
So the likelihood it was China more than
Russia makes sense to me.
It seems more like a Chinese thing to
do.
For some reason, I can't quantify that, but

(02:50:43):
it just seems like it's so, you know,
the Russians, the Russians, the Russians.
I remember going to Russia in 1988, 88,
89.
Yeah, about the time I was there.
And I remember, you know, KGB, KGB.
And we came in for the Moscow Music
Peace Festival with the big Cinevideo 12 camera
trucks from the Netherlands.

(02:51:04):
And, you know, we had, I had a
direct dial tone of 516 area code from
the Westwood One truck, you know, and at
the time in the hotel where they turned
on the hot water for us in that
portion of the city, you had to reserve
your phone call to the states 48 hours
in advance and bribe the lady with toilet
rolls and tuna fish cans.

(02:51:25):
Yeah, every every floor had a woman.
Yes.
Monitor each floor of the hotels, whatever hotel
you were in, they would have a woman
and she always had to give her something.
And I was told in advance to give
them small, like those little toys.
Matchbook cards.
Matchbook toys, because they all had kids and
the kids love these toys.

(02:51:47):
And they would just turn, they would, there
would you give them a little toy and
they would brighten up.
It was amazing.
They're dour.
And then, oh.
And cassettes, cassette tapes with music.
Yeah, I had all of that.
And I literally had toilet paper rolls, which,
by the way, I use a lot myself.
And we slept on mattresses stuffed with straw.

(02:52:07):
But the point is, so then we had
all this.
And then before it went up to the
satellite, before it went to our satellite truck,
which is all Western European stuff, it had
to go through the censorship truck of the
KGB.
I kid you not.
It was like it wasn't a Volkswagen, but
like a Lada bus, a gray bus with
curtains.
And it was literally like gray, you know,

(02:52:31):
gray racks of nothingness in there.
It was just stupid.
They had no technology.
And that was supposed to be all of
the KGB.
Oh, they can do everything.
It looked like nothing.
I was very underwhelmed by the danger that
I felt, that I was supposed to feel
at the time.
So, you know, they say a lot about
Russia, but I'm not so sure.

(02:52:53):
The Chinese, yeah, I bet you they do
have all this technology.
Yeah, they're super techie.
Very techie.
And they steal it from us.
I'm sure we already developed it and they
took it from us.
Yes, probably our technology.
Yes, probably.
Ironically.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, they did the deal.
I got one clip here that Vietnam deals

(02:53:14):
done.
So they got that big deal.
President Trump announced today that the U.S.
has struck a trade deal with Vietnam following
months of negotiations.
Trump said goods from Vietnam would face a
20 percent tariff.
He said any trans shipments from third countries
would face a 40 percent levy.
The rate is lower than an initial 46
percent levy Trump announced in April.

(02:53:36):
Vietnam would also provide the U.S. with
more market access.
With U.S. exports to the country facing
no tariffs, the White House and the Vietnamese
trade ministry did not immediately comment.
Huh.
Well, it seems like all these tariff deals
are just kind of working out.
And how's Horowitz?
Is he still freaking out about it?
It seems like the stock market's up.

(02:53:57):
He's a happy camper.
Exactly.
Speaking of deals and manga, manga time.
Oh, yeah.
We have been the forerunner of manga, which
is make African news great again.
There's manga news.
U.S. President Donald Trump will host five
African leaders in Washington, D.C. next week.
A White House official confirmed on Wednesday that

(02:54:19):
the U.S. president would hold the meeting
from 9th to 11th of July.
The encounter is likely to revolve around regional
security issues, although the core of the discussions
will focus on trade relations and commercial opportunities
that the U.S. president wants to increase.
Trump is set to meet the heads of
state of Gabon, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mauritania and

(02:54:41):
Senegal.
The meeting comes as U.S.-Africa encounters are
multiplying.
After tense one-on-one meeting between Trump
and South African President Sir Ramaphosa in May,
the White House brokered a peace deal between
the DRC and Rwanda last month.
Plans for wider U.S.-Africa summit have also
been announced for September, although nothing has been
confirmed so far from either side.

(02:55:02):
It's very obvious what's happening in Africa.
We're making our moves.
We are blocking mainly China and of course
these countries, these five countries.
What do they have in common?
They are not BRICS nations.
BRICS nations in Africa and in the region,
Sudan, sorry.
In a statement published on June 27th, Washington

(02:55:24):
announced its sanctions against the Sudanese authorities have
taken effect.
According to the notice published in the Federal
Registry, the United States plans to stop all
arms sales to the Sudanese government, reduce access
to U.S. government loans, halt the export
of advanced technologies to Sudan, and limit all
U.S. exports to Sudan with the exception
of agricultural products and emergency humanitarian aid.

(02:55:47):
According to some analysts, the impact of these
sanctions on the war-torn country will be
limited.
The Sudanese Central Bank, for example, claims that
there are no direct U.S. exports to
Sudan.
The second aspect of the sanctions is the
impact on the U.S. administration's credit lines
and what it pays to Sudan.
Currently, the U.S. administration doesn't pay anything
to Sudan, whether it's the organizations or the

(02:56:10):
institutions.
Last May, the U.S. State Department accused
the authorities of using chemical weapons against the
paramilitary Rapid Support Forces in 2024.
The Sudanese government, led by General al-Burhan,
denies these accusations and denounces political blackmail.
Since April 2023, a bloody war has pitted
the general against the paramilitary forces led by

(02:56:32):
Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo, causing the deaths of thousands
of people and the displacement of 15 million
others.
U.S. sanctions have also been handed out
in the past against the RSF leader, whose
paramilitary troops have been accused of committing genocide.
There you go.
NATO versus BRICS, it's on.
I wonder what they're going to do with
Egypt.

(02:56:53):
You know, Egypt jumped into that BRICS thing.
That's going to be a problem for Egypt.
Should be eventually.
Yeah.
I just find the whole thing that, you
know, the empire is kicking some ass.
Yes, very much so.
There was an interesting analysis on one of
the public stations, which was about that Rwanda

(02:57:15):
DRC deal that Trump had two guys in
the office.
They signed off on it, even though in
CNN, I don't know.
I don't think it was real.
Yeah.
Biden's administration was offered the possibility of doing
this, and they just said, no, we don't
care.
No, because they're run by China.
Yeah, they were run by China.
I mean, didn't the Bidens have some pretty

(02:57:37):
deep ties to China?
It looks like it looks more and more
like China was running the country while Biden
was in office.
Maybe.
Five minute warning, John, last clip for you.
Well, let's see.
I've got a couple of clips, but I'll
look for a good one here.
How about this?
This is something I can complain about.
This is the Wisconsin abortion, and I call

(02:57:59):
it Wisconsin abortion idiots.
NPR clip.
I have a comment.
Abortion remains legal in Wisconsin after the state
Supreme Court released a decision today.
Sarah Lear from Wisconsin Public Radio reports.
After the overturn of Roe v.
Wade in 2022, providers across Wisconsin stopped providing

(02:58:20):
abortions.
They were worried about being prosecuted under a
19th century state law, which bans all abortions
unless they're done to save a pregnant woman's
life.
That prompted Wisconsin's Democratic attorney general to sue
to try and block enforcement of that law.
In late 2023, a county judge ruled the
law in question does not actually ban abortions,

(02:58:41):
prompting clinics in the state to once again
offer the procedure.
Now the state's highest court has cemented the
effects of that lower court decision.
Justices said the pre-Civil War law could
not remain in effect because it was superseded
by abortion laws passed later.
All right, John C.
Dvorak, your commentary.
This is a Democrat.
What was the fuss about?

(02:59:03):
All they had to do was just go
to the legislature and say, let's just pass
a quick law to ban that old 1840
law.
And we'll just have abortions modeled after whatever
California, for example.
They could have done a lot of things.
But no, they go to all these crazy
lawsuits one way or the other.
They have it.
It's a Democrat run state.
What is the problem?

(02:59:24):
They can't get off their asses to do
a simple legislative move.
I don't know.
The whole thing is stupid.
OK, I have no idea what's going on.
I had the clip, too, but I don't
know.
You'd think that it would be well, they're
doing odd things there.
Maybe they wanted to make a big fuss.

(02:59:46):
They wanted to bring it to the fore.
Oh, so large.
Oh, it's all fat.
This is Trump's fault.
This is bullcrap.
Final clip for me.
I thought this was an interesting move from
you, Penn.
This morning, the University of Pennsylvania reversing course,
saying it will now ban transgender athletes and

(03:00:07):
strip trans swimmer Leah Thomas of her swimming
titles.
The school reaching a deal with the Trump
administration, saying it will comply with Title nine,
as interpreted by the Department of Education and
saying it will restore the records and titles
of female athletes who lost to Thomas and
send apology letters to them.
Leah Thomas made history in 2022, becoming the

(03:00:27):
first openly transgender athlete to win an NCAA
Division one title.
The win sparked fierce debate over fairness, including
from some of Thomas's own teammates.
I knew there would be scrutiny against me
if I competed as a woman.
I was prepared for that.

(03:00:48):
The Trump administration earlier this year suspended one
hundred and seventy five million dollars in federal
funds from Penn, claiming the University of Pennsylvania
repeatedly violated civil rights laws by allowing men
to compete in women's sports.
Education Secretary Linda McMahon calling Penn's new agreement
a major victory for women and girls nationwide.
No comment yet from the NCAA or Leah

(03:01:09):
Thomas.
But in a 2022 interview, she defended her
decision to compete.
Trans people don't transition for athletics.
We just want to be able to live
our lives.
The NCAA still recognizes her championship win, but
Penn has removed her swimming records from its
website.
I mean, wow, that's more.

(03:01:29):
I don't understand why they don't think I'm
a girl.
What do you think happened there?
How did that all of a sudden change?
You, Penn?
I mean, what must have happened?
Somebody looked at the books.
They don't have the endowment Harvard has, and
they figure they couldn't wait it out.
And they're new at this.
No, why would it's the simplest thing to

(03:01:51):
do?
You crazy.
You know, what are you going to fight
this like the way Harvard's doing all the
way?
It's going to cost you a lot of
money.
It's embarrassing.
And there were there were the lead operation
with this Leah Thomas person, you know, big
dude, huge.
I don't understand it.
And so it's borderline ludicrous.

(03:02:15):
Or maybe a picture showed up.
What's that in your mouth?
In the morning.

(03:02:36):
Yeah, that's right.
Remember, we have those fabulous A.I. end
of show mixes on the way, of course,
a non-A.I., a human tip of
the day from our very own John C.
Dvorak.
And we have some meetups and we have
some PhDs, lots of birthdays today for some
reason, and one nighting.
And of course, we want to thank everybody
who supported the show.
Fifty dollars and above.

(03:02:56):
John C.
Dvorak, go.
Clip two.
Clip two, yes.
Paul Levy in Grinnell, Iowa.
One hundred bucks.
And Baron Latican, there he is in Houston,
Texas.
One hundred.
John Robben, a hundred.
A lot of hundreds today.
Lucas Zuha in Denmark, I guess.

(03:03:18):
Or is that Deutschland?
That's Deutschland.
Yeah, Deutschland.
Yeah, Deutschland.
A hundred.
He's in Bayerbrunn.
Sir F.A.N. Beck in Vista, California.
A hundred.
Another donation from Lucas for a hundred.
It's interesting.
That could be a duplicate.
Maybe not.
It's hard to say.

(03:03:38):
But there he is.
Kevin McLaughlin comes in at 8008, by the
way.
He is the Archduke of Luna.
Lover of America and lover of melons.
He has a DSA, Laos DEO, which translates
to Praise Be to God, inscribed on top
of the Ing, Washington Monument, facing east toward

(03:04:00):
the rising sun.
Happy Independence Day, he says.
Sir F.A.N., he donates every single
show.
He does indeed.
Sir Fast Eddie in Alameda, California.
Hey, Fast Eddie.
8008.
Rick, what is it?
Mooyman.
Mooyman.
Mooyman.
Mooyman.

(03:04:21):
Yeah, you got this.
You got this.
And he's in Rijswijk.
Rijswijk.
Close.
Rijswijk.
Rijswijk, which is the rising Viking in Holland.
8008.
That is another boob donation.
We got a lot of boob donations today.
It's his birthday.
Oh, it was on July 2nd.

(03:04:41):
Yes.
Okay.
You're on the list.
Kevin Knutson, 80.
And this is for Jill, who turns 80.
Now, they wrote a note in.
69, not 89.
It's actually on a piece of paper.
69.
Kind of hard to ignore.
And it's from the desk of John and

(03:05:03):
Adam.
This check and note will arrive post Jill's
birthday.
And he wants a shout out for his.
She's going to be 69 years young.
Yes.
Remember, guys, always marry up.
I sure did.
That's a compliment to his wife.
Jay Doucette in Stevensville, Canada.

(03:05:27):
NL is.
I don't know where one of the places.
Hello, guys.
He writes Newfoundland.
That's what NL is.
Okay.
Yes.
Then he came out 78, 77.
But there's something interesting.
He says here.
I always punch people in the mouth and
have my wife Katja listening, but she can
never remember the name of the show and

(03:05:47):
says, who are those guys that are always
fighting?
That will be us.
And you know what it is?
It's because people are not used to hearing
disagreement anymore.
No, they've been watching K-Part and Brooks.
All they hear is disagreement.
You're right.

(03:06:08):
Oh, no, you're a writer than I am.
But it's the same on podcasts.
You know, all these podcasters go on each
other's pockets.
Oh, definitely.
Oh, sure, Megan.
James Sissy.
Oh, actually, sorry.
Jeffrey McNeil in Somerville, South Carolina, 78, 77.
James Sissy, 76, 96.

(03:06:33):
He says, I enjoy this product.
Good.
Exactly that voice.
We enjoy making it for you.
Dame Rita.
There she is.
Dame Rita's back, 76, 74.
Dame Rita, always in the house.
Derek Allison in Rock Springs, Wyoming, 76, 17.

(03:06:53):
Earl Hugger of Kitties in Zondam, Holland, 74,
25.
Hug more kitties, he writes.
Christopher Hodges in Union, Mississippi, 74, 25.
Donald Mills, Shasta Lake, California, 74, 25.
A happy fourth.
The Dame Dana Carroll in Laughlin, Nevada.

(03:07:14):
She comes in quite a bit, 72, 27.
Lisa Falcone in Williams Lake, BC,
65, 80.
She's happy that we shrink her amygdala.
Sir Darius Unity in Rocky Mount, North Carolina,

(03:07:38):
63, 31.
I don't know what he says there.
He says he sent me a long boots
on the ground.
That's correct.
Oh, good.
Okay.
Les Tarkowski, Kingman, Arizona, 6006.
Sir Dancing Mike.
There he is, dancing away in Maryville, Tennessee,
55, 55.
This is a birthday donation.
For his wife.

(03:07:59):
Yes, Dame Denise.
Dame Denise.
Murrayville, Murrayville.
Anonymous, Thousand Oaks, California, 55, 55.
Brian Furley, 55, 10.
Double nickels on the dime.
Diana Grilly Camden in Junction City, Ohio, 54,
30.

(03:08:19):
A lot of names today.
John Bassano in Madison, Alabama, 52, 72.
This will make up for what's going to
happen on Sunday when no one's going to
be listening or donating.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

(03:08:43):
uh, uh,
uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh, uh,

(03:09:12):
uh, uh, uh, uh,
uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

(03:09:57):

(03:10:25):

(03:10:50):
uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

(03:11:28):
uh, uh, ...
the 5th.
He's the Chinese baby boy.
Dan Peruzzo, his smoking hot wife Bailey Davies,
celebrates tomorrow.
Sir Dancing Mike wishes his smoking hot wife
Dame Denise a very happy 55th tomorrow.
No, on the 5th, I'm sorry.
And Bailey is on the 5th as well.
Wesley Childs, his wife Lauren from Macon, Georgia,
happy birthday on the 6th.

(03:11:49):
She turns 37.
And surprise, night of astonishment, says happy birthday
to Dame Ma Su, turns 69 on July
8th.
Happy birthday to all of these birthday boys
and girls from the best podcast in the
universe.
Russell Hinton receives a PhD in media deconstruction
thanks to his support of the show.

(03:12:10):
He was our top executive producer.
And you can go to noagendarings.com and
give us the name you want on your
PhD and the address to send it to.
We'll be happy to do that, Russell.
Congratulations with your certificate, with your PhD.
And it's a real one from us.
And then we have one night to celebrate.
That will be the same, Russell Hinton.
So if you can grab your blade, John.

(03:12:31):
Yeah, I got it right here.
Beautiful, Russell.
PhD, Mr. Russell, step right up.
Thanks to your support of the NOAA Gymnasium
and the amount of $1,000 or more,
I'm very proud to pronounce KB as Sir
Russell Hinton.
For you, we've got hookahs and blow, red
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And as always at the roundtable for all

(03:13:11):
of our NOAA Gender Knights and Dames, we
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While you're chomping on that along with the
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And, uh, hold on, I forgot my meetups
jingle.
Oh boy, I am unprepared for some reason.
Oh, that's because of the, that's because of

(03:13:53):
your phone call.
That's what happened.
Hey, by the way, it was a Chinese
guy.
Oh, what did the Chinese guy?
In Chinese.
What did he say?
I see he said something.
I'm not going to do a Chinese, but
I cussed him out in Chinese.
I do have a few choice words.
Oh, really?
You care to share your Chinese cuss words?
No, if you go over the air, no.
Oh, okay.
No agenda meetups.

(03:14:18):
Yeah, baby, it's always like a party at
the no agenda meetups.
I think we have another one come up
in Fredericksburg, but not until October, but I'm
very excited about that.
It just got locked in yesterday.
Uh, there is a meetup taking place today
at the Northern Wake, FEMA region number four
potluck and whiskey, uh, that kicks off in
just about, uh, about a half hour from
now, six o'clock Eastern hoppy endings in

(03:14:41):
Raleigh, North Carolina.
And tomorrow 4th of July is July 4th
in Victoria.
Just beer in the sun.
Five 30.
That's at the lighthouse brewery in Victoria, British
Columbia, sir.
Rogue of the taverns and his dog rogue
are organizing that coming up in the month
of July, Santa Barbara, California, and the 10th,
the last dent, the last Denver city park

(03:15:02):
meetup in Denver on the 12th, Zurich, Switzerland
on the 12th, the 13th Camp Hill, Pennsylvania,
Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 19th, Albany, California.
John will be there on the 19th and
July 26, Anaheim, California.
No doubt.
That's Leo Bravo.
Probably now on number 65.
I think no agenda meetups are where you
meet the first responders in your life.

(03:15:23):
Connection is protection.
You need to go to at least one
of these.
I guarantee you you'll keep coming back for
more, go to no agenda, meetups.com to
find out where there is one being organized
near you.
If you can't find one near you, well,
how about this?
Start one yourself.
It's easy.
No agenda, meetups.com.
Sometimes you want to go hang out with
all the nights and days.

(03:15:56):
Yes.
With John's tip of the day on the
way, we always like to choose some end
of show ISOs at this particular moment in
the show.
I have a couple here.
Do you have any ISOs for today?
I have a couple, but why don't you
play yours?
Okay.
May the fourth be with you.

(03:16:19):
May the fourth be with you, huh?
Okay, my next one.
Come on, man.
You know you love it.
Here's another one.
That's info war journalism right there.
But you use an AI now?
That's not AI.

(03:16:39):
No, that's not AI.
And this one.
I think I need a cigarette after all
that.
Nah, come on, man.
That's good.
That's good.
It's three seconds, same as everything else.
Because I've always wanted to use sound effects,
so I got some stuff from NPR.
Here's the laughs.

(03:16:59):
Nah, I think you can do better than
that.
Okay, well, I didn't.
Well, I went to my go-to and
here we go.
Oh, sorry.
Wow.
Why don't these guys win all the podcasting
awards?
Because we don't pay the entry fee.
That's why.
And now it is time once again for
John Cena Borax tip of the day.

(03:17:31):
So there's a, I wanted to do this.
I should have done this tip a long
time ago.
And I discovered this product when I went
to Peru once.
And you can get them from Amazon.
They're made in Ecuador.
They're handmade in Ecuador and Peru and maybe
some other South American countries.
These are alpaca blankets.

(03:17:54):
Handmade alpaca blankets.
Wait a minute.
Can't you just get those from John Doerr's
wife?
You wouldn't get them.
They wouldn't be as good.
Oh, okay.
So they're not expensive considering they're made out
of alpaca wool.
They can be light or heavy.
They are beautiful.

(03:18:15):
And I would just advise one thing.
Don't get any of them that have a
lot of black color.
Oh, why is that?
You know, I bought a sweater in the
Andes.
You know, when I was a kid, I
bought a sweater in the Andes.
You should just start off every conversation.
You know, when I bought a sweater in
the Andes, on my way to Doha.

(03:18:36):
Yes.
And so it was like what they use
for black dye is not compatible with Western
civilization.
Let's put it that way.
Okay.
All right.
So get the colors.
The colors are fine.
But these blankets are available.
They have them on Amazon.
There's a couple of companies that make them.
Make sure they're handmade alpaca blanket.

(03:18:57):
It's the greatest.
And they also, you can use them as
a spread, a bed spread.
They're dynamite.
Dynamite.
They're super warm.
They're just a fabulous product.
And I'm going to now push it, promote
the alpaca blanket.
And where do we get the alpaca blankets?
You can get them.
You can just, well, you can go to
Amazon and find some there.

(03:19:17):
And they have the brands there.
You can also look up the brands.
You can buy them directly from various sources.
You can put alpaca blanket, Peru, alpaca blanket,
Ecuador, and you'll find some online sites that
sell them.
They're all over the place.
They're actually very available.
It would be very nice if you promoted
an American product once in a while.
I mean, it's always junk from China.

(03:19:39):
It's always rugs from all the cleaning products
have been American.
Really?
Oh, yeah, of course.
Chemicals.
We're your guy.
We're good with the chemical.
We're a chemical country.
That's right.
There it is, everybody.
Go to tipoftheday.net for John C.
Duborek's Tip of the Day.

(03:19:59):
And that concludes our broadcast day once again,
where we deconstruct the media for you.
We spin you down.
We let you know what's really going on
in the world and the things that were
not reported of what's going on in the

(03:20:20):
world and the things that are just confusing.
That's why we're here.
Now, if you want to stick around, we
do have random thoughts coming up next on
the no agenda stream.
If you're at the troll room, trollroom.io,
just keep listening.
Or if you've got one of those fancy
swanky free modern podcast apps that have live

(03:20:41):
notifications, live streams, and 90-second update times
when a podcast is published, just keep listening,
and you'll find it all.
End of show mixes brought to you by
Silicon Valley's AI, expertly prompted by Bonald Crabtree
and Daniel Brown.
Hold on to your hats, everybody.

(03:21:01):
It's the future coming up next.
And I am coming to you from the
heart of the Texas Hill Country right here
in picturesque Fredericksburg, where we always have a
dynamite 4th of July parade.
So I'll see you there if you're in
the Hill Country.
If not, until Sunday in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
Yeah, from northern Silicon Valley, where everyone wishes

(03:21:22):
you a happy Independence Day for the July.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Remember us at noagendthedonations.com until Sunday.
Adios, mofos, hui hui, and such.

(03:22:10):
Wake up already.
Our world is fake and petty.
Adam Curry hates the AI machines.
Resist what's inevitable.
You'll never stay credible.
He hates AI and the mainframe regime.
Woo!
Spot the spook on the jukebox.
Spot them all in the troll room.

(03:22:30):
So go learn AI in a hurry.
I mean, I'm just gonna allow AI songs
for the end of show mix now, because
you're right.
Okay, okay.
I'm not gonna criticize you for this.
You can't.
Okay, because it's not really a criticism.
You're, you cave, but you cave to modernity.

(03:23:23):
Dream of a broadcast, not tied to any
brand.
With an Apple script spark and a rebel's
heart, he builds a new medium, gave the
world a fresh start.
He's the godfather, the voice who led the
way, turned dreams into downloads, made history that
day.
From daily source code to no agenda's call.

(03:23:45):
Adam Curry lit the fuse, now podcasts reach
us all.
No network needed.
No gatekeepers here.
Just an RSS feed and a voice in
your ear.
He opened the door so creators could play.

(03:24:06):
Now millions of stories are just a click
away.
It's freedom of speech.
It's a digital stage.
A revolution in media, the turning of an
age.
From humble beginnings to a worldwide embrace.
The podfather's vision for podcasts in their face.

(03:24:27):
Wake up in the morning, coffee in my
cup.
Turn on no agenda, time to catch up.
John Dvorak's ready, he's got something to say.
A nugget of wisdom to brighten my day.
Tip of the day, the Dvorak way.

(03:24:51):
From scrubbers to gadgets, he's leading the way.
A life hack, a shortcut, a tool or
a trick.
With John's daily tip, I learn something quick.
Scrub buddies in the kitchen, cleaning up with

(03:25:12):
ease.
Or Airsham in my toolbox, doing what I
please.
He's got a tip for living, for work
and for play.
A moment of genius, the Dvorak way.
John's tip of the day, you'll be a
life hack with.

(03:25:36):
Be a life hack with.
You'll be a life hack with.
The best podcast in the universe.
Adios, mofo.
Dvorak.org slash N-A-M-E.

(03:25:59):
Wow, why don't these guys win all the
podcasting awards?

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