1781 - "Cluster 1" - No Agenda Show

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666, Mark of the Beast!
Adam Curry, John C.
Devorah.
It's Sunday, July 13, 2025, this is your
award-winning GiveOnNation media assassination episode 1781.
This is no agenda.
40 years since Live Aid, and we're now
broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas

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snow country, here in FEMA region number 16.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we all
need more lectures on stablecoin, I'm John C.
Devorah.
It's crackpot and buzzkill.
In the morning.
I never thought I'd hear you say anything
about stablecoin.

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What do you mean more lectures on stablecoin?
We got a nasty note from another podcaster
that says we're not talking enough about stablecoin.
No, you got a nasty note.
Yeah, well.
Yeah, saying that you thought my presentation was
boring, but apparently I'm going viral on X.

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I'm going viral on X, man.
Going viral.
You are totally viral.
Hey, here's a pop quiz for you.
40 years ago, Live Aid.
What was the purpose?
What was the point of Live Aid?
Oh, now you're going to try to stump
me.
What was the purpose of Live Aid?

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Wait a minute.
Let me think.
First of all, I have to say it
would be 1985.
85, correct.
So that's good.
What?
No, don't.
No, don't.
No looking it up.
No, no.
I'm not looking anything up.
I'm back.
I'm laid back in the chair.
In the chaise.
In the chaise.
What happened in 1985?

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Reagan was president.
There must have been, was there a flood?
Or was there somebody died?
Or was there some horrible?
I'm stumped.
It was the famine in Ethiopia.
Why are you laughing about starving African children?

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Because for one thing, the Live Aid money
never went to Ethiopia.
I think we knew that after the fact.
Well, I didn't see him.
Don't send your cash.
Don't send your water.
Don't send your blankets.
And then we don't send your blankets.
Don't send your water.
Send your cash to us.
That was George Bush.
Water and blankets.

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Let me see.
Don't send your blankets.
Where is that?
I can't find it anymore.
It's just send your cash.
That's what it is.
Send your cash.
Send your cash.
Here it is.
Here it is.
But that was for Haiti.
I know a lot of people want to
send blankets or water.
Just send your cash.
That cash.
That's the cash that really never arrived at

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his destination.
Cash to Ethiopia never.
There was a scandal about Live Aid.
Now, for extra points, what was the follow
-up to Live Aid from British artists?
Oh, brother.
I remember there was a follow-up.
I do remember vaguely some of these things.

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Normally, I would have this stuff firmly entrenched
in my memory if I thought it was
important.
But I think I kicked that one out
too.
Band-Aid.
Band-Aid.
Oh, yeah.
Band-Aid.
Who had the hit, Do They Know It's
Christmas?
Do They Know It's Christmas?
Yes.
And for extra, extra points, how did Phil

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Collins get from Wembley Stadium to JFK Stadium
in Philadelphia on the same day during Live
Aid?
Chopper.
No, that was the Concord.
Remember, that was a big Concord promotion.
Oh, the Concord, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I flew on the...
Did you ever fly on the Concord?
You know, I'm not worried about it because

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there's a new, faster plane coming, but...
From Boom or whoever these people are.
Yeah, Boom.
That's the airline I want to be on.
Boom.
That sounds like a good one.
Boom.
No, it was...
I flew on...
I never...
I almost had the chance once, and then
I blew the real, at least the joyride
chance because after the thing folded, they had

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joyrides out of the Oakland airport.
I think they were like 200 bucks or
150 bucks.
They were cheap.
And you get in the Concord in Oakland.
It would...
I don't know, I barely land there, but
it did.
And they take off and go up to
the air, up to some 50,000 feet

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and get up to speed and then come
back down.
It was like a 20-minute flight.
Well, I flew on it from London to
New York, and it was very...
What's interesting about it, for people who care,
I mean, it's a bit of aviation history,
so it's nice to know.

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First of all, there was no movie because
the flight was so short that they didn't
really have time to show a movie, including
your in-flight meal.
And about, I think it was about three
hours, three hours and 15 minutes.
And about two hours into the trip, it
got uncomfortably warm.
And they said, it's going to get a

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little bit warmer than you'd expect.
And that was purely because of the friction,
I guess, up at that altitude.
And the plane apparently elongates up to five
or six inches while in flight.
You should be so lucky.
There it is.
And on the way back, because I flew

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it back, what was the...
I remember I'd picked up in New York.
It was one of the first kind of
like pocket computers that had...
Oh man, what was it?
Sinclair.
No, no, no.
It was a...
HP.
It's from the era of the HP, but
it had a...
Palm.
Zion, somehow it's Zion.

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I'm doing the best I can.
You're doing the best you can, but that's
not it.
It's pre-all that.
Pre-palm?
Yeah, it was pre-palm.
You could program it.
Cassiopeia.
No, no, no.
Wow, I'm really digging now.
It opened up long ways and it had
like a sheathing.

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It'd open it up.
Yeah, the Dynaco or whatever it is.
It started with a D.
No, it had people like Newton.
No, it was way before the Newton.
Slide rule.
No, maybe it'll come...
Slide rule.
It'll come...
It was a notebook.
Zune.
A pad, a pocket pad.
It wasn't the Zune.
Ah, what the heck was that thing?

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Anyway.
It'll come to me, but I picked one
up.
I was like, oh, this is great.
I can play with it on the plane.
This'll be fun.
And...
Your idea of fun.
Yeah, like, oh, I can program it.
I can, you know, it had a booklet.
It'll be doing flips by the time we
get off.
It had a booklet.

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And I couldn't because Liza Minnelli was sitting
behind me, drunk, completely plastered.
And she was so annoying.
She'd be kicking the back of my chair.
It was just so distracting.
Ah, yes.
First world problems.
Boy, there's a story for you.
But what was that thing?

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Anyway, so while we're talking about...
Those days are over for you.
Well, it's over for the Concorde too.
It's also over for Liza.
Yes.
Um, speaking of aviation...
The Concorde.
Aviation, some...
Who knows the donations?
Was the flick of two switches enough to
bring down an India Flight 171?

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The first report from Indian investigators into the
disaster in Ahmedabad one month ago has revealed
that fuel to the aircraft was momentarily cut
off shortly after takeoff.
The report reveals confusion in the cockpit.
In the cockpit voice recording, one of the
pilots is heard asking the other, why did
he cut off?
The other pilot responded that he did not

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do so.
Investigators have not drawn official conclusions yet, but
reported no technical issues with the engines or
the aircraft.
So it seems this was the culprit, two
fuel switches that were mysteriously moved from run
to cut off within a second of each
other.
From that point, the Boeing Dreamliner lost speed
and altitude.

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The switches were flipped back on, but it
was too late.
One of the pilots transmitted a Mayday signal
before the plane crashed some 30 seconds after
taking off.
All but one of the 242 people on
board and 19 people on the ground were
killed.
Boeing and Air India have said they'll continue
to support the investigation, which could take months
to complete.

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Okay, a couple of things.
First of all, you know Agenda Show said
right away that this was not what everyone
was saying.
Oh, the flaps weren't up.
The flaps were down.
They weren't up.
Oh, the gear was down.
No.
No.
Complete fuel starvation.
However, I think there's a cover-up.
Seems like there's a cover-up on this.

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Note that we have not heard the actual
conversation between the pilots.
We have no audio tape.
And these are not direct quotes.
If you read the AABI report, they're just
saying what happened.
They're not giving you direct quotes.

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And so it's being blamed on the pilots.
Oh, well, you know, one guy might have
accidentally switched it off, and it was a
suicide mission.
Please.
There's a couple of...
I like the suicide mission.
No.
But there's a couple of other things that
came out.
I don't have the clip.
I thought I had the clip.
I was going to get the clip.
I do have a clip, but it's from
PBS.
It doesn't say anything more in your clip.

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But there was another clip that came out,
and I'm not even sure where it was.
And I'm surprised they don't have it.
There was a long discussion with some spokesperson
from Air India, and a pilot that flies
that plane.
He says, you can't accidentally turn those.
You have to really make an effort to
turn those switches off.
But then they made the point, for good

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reason, obviously.
And they made the point that Boeing had
a maintenance note out about those switches in
particular that Air India decided to ignore.
Correct.
A special airworthiness information bulletin, December 17th, 2018,
regarding the potential disengagement of the fuel control

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switch locking feature.
This is...
I think it's a Boeing mess up.
Because...
I think so too.
It should not have been optional, because Boeing
made it an optional fix.
And to be fair about it, Air India
should have not just like, oh, it's optional.
Who cares?
Very...
Well, you know, I don't want to make
any generalizations about the Indian culture.

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Oh, here we go.
So I'm not going to.
By the way, thank you, Matthew.
The Psyon 2.
It was the Psyon Organizer 2.
I would not come to that one.
No, but the minute he posted, I'm like,
yes, that was it.
The Psyon Organizer 2.
So we'll see where this ends up.

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But to me...
I don't know if that predates the Palm.
That I don't know.
I had the Palm, but the Palm sucked.
You had to learn...
The Palm was great, especially when you learned
its shorthand.
What was that language you had to learn
again?
That was the Palm's shorthand.
Yeah, but it had a name.
It had a name.
Oh, here we go.

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This Boomer Alert.
Boy, when I was a kid, it was
made out of plastic.
Boomer Alert.
So I'm embracing it now.
I might as well.
You might as well.
Let me just tell you this.
It's not going to get any better.
No, no, it's not.

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Graffiti.
That's what it was.
Graffiti.
Ah, yes, exactly.
You got me.
Or as you would say...
Jeez, I'm losing out today.
As you would say, graffiti.
Graffiti, yeah.
Even though the whole world calls it graffiti,
you stick it graffiti.
A couple of notes about the trip to
New York.
We got back yesterday.
Everything went fine.
Thank you for asking.

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The things that I noticed.
First of all, we weren't anywhere near Times
Square.
We were more in the Soho part of
town, which in Texas, we call it south
of Houston.
But in New York, you call it south
of Houston.
Weed everywhere.
There's weed trucks.
I've heard that currently New York stinks of

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weed.
Of weed.
No matter where you walk, it's like weed,
weed.
Everywhere there's weed.
But you know, I'm okay with that.
Check the calendar.
I mean, everyone's smoking weed on the street.
This is like the 60s in San Francisco.
I mean, come on.
But also, you know, it's 80, almost 90
degrees.
Why would you want to smoke weed outside

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in 90 degrees?
You know, that doesn't just, you know, that
wouldn't have been for me.
Other observations.
People on the street, I would say 85
percent, all of them on their phone.
Walking on the sidewalk with their phone.

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Talking, but also looking at the phone while
they're talking.
And then there's this other category of people.
And that is the person who holds the
person's hand who is on the phone.
And they're kind of guiding them.
Like a guiding human.

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Well, that's an interesting observation.
It was quite prevalent.
You know, so it would be the wife.
But you're indicting the entire society with these
observations.
That is pathetic.
It's what it is.
Why does anyone get a seeing eye dog
with their phone?

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Why don't they put it in the drawer
like a good bloomer?
They should do, but no one's going to
do that.
Then just two technological innovations I'd like to
complain about.
One is the elevator banks in our hotel.
They're the kind where there's no buttons on
the inside.
So I know those.

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This has been going on in New York
for a while in some buildings.
It's very annoying.
So that you select your floor on the
outside.
And then there's four elevator doors.
It tells you which one to go to.
Go to B4.
Okay.
You get on.
But we spent more time waiting for the
elevator either to come up to our floor.

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And then on the way down, it would
stop a million times.
I don't just, it didn't feel like there
was any efficiency in that system.
Maybe it would have been much worse.
You know, I wonder about the origins of
this stuff.
I first encountered this probably 15 years ago
or longer at the Hearst building.
No, it had to be longer.

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It was about 20 years ago.
So that's how long ago this has been
going on.
And in the Hearst building, this is when
I had a meeting with Mevio.
Oh, I was at that meeting.
No, you weren't at this meeting.
I wasn't.
I was at a meeting with Hearst.
I was at a meeting with Hearst.
Yeah, that was in San Francisco.
Oh, oh, this is a different one.
This is in New York.
Oh, oh, you went to New York on

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Mevio's dime and didn't take me?
No, I was with Ron.
Oh, with Bloom.
They're like, hey, Dvorak, you come with me.
You've got an in with those guys.
I did.
Yeah, of course.
And so we went to the big building.
They have a big giant building in Manhattan.
And not only do they have that system,

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but you can't even control it.
You have to go to a steward who
is standing in front of the bank of
elevators.
And you tell him what you want.
And then he punches it in and tells
you which elevator to go to.
Did he have a big handle that he
moved?
Oh, he wasn't in the car itself moving
the handle up and down.
No, no, he wasn't in the car.

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He was outside in front of the bank
of elevators at like a podium.
And you say, yes, sir.
What can I do for you?
I said, well, I got to go to
the fourth floor or eighth floor, whatever it
was.
And he says, oh, OK.
And then he pushed the eight and he
says, elevator six.
And he'll send you over there.
And there was no buttons inside the elevators.
This is terrible because now I know what

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the origins of this is.
I'm not sure, but I'm sure part of
it is the kids who like to get
on the elevators and push all the buttons.
No, but that's that's pretty rare nowadays.
That's old.
It's very old.
This is no good.
I agree.
It's and it's unnerving.
So this hotel also had digital phones, you
know, to to ring for your, you know,

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for housekeeping or you needed an ironing board
or whatever.
And these are Cisco phones, big giant screen.
And you got one on the desk and
you got one next to the bed.
And every single night at three fifty nine,
it would reboot and it would reboot to
a giant white screen illuminating the entire hotel

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room at three fifty nine in the morning.
Yes, yes.
I mean, the first night I'm like, I
woke up and what's going on?
Is someone shining a flashlight?
Is it finally here?
It's ice is ice here to get me.
And and I look over and see the
thing rebooting, you know, big, big white screen
like, OK.

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But then the next night it happened again.
So then, of course, I'm like, oh, I'll
put a towel over the phone.
This is stupid.
And by the way, who needs the phone?
Just give me a number.
It's like scan this QR code and we'll
pick up the phone.
Makes no sense.
Cisco, big Cisco VoIP system with two, two

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Ethernet plugs, two cords.
I don't know why.
They were both plugged in.
Yeah, there were two Ethernet cords.
Yeah.
Plugged into the phone.
Yes.
Yes.
I wasn't sure why, because I unplugged it
after a while.
I'm unplugging you and then joyful, joyful for

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me since we were there with the with
the consumer and her friends.
And we had a couple of dinners and
went to a by the way, thank you
so much for the wine script.
I looks I looked awesome.
Yes, I did.
For anyone who wants to know, I gave
Adam a white script.
Actually, you got me the cheapest bottle on

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the entire wine list.
And I still got to look like I
knew what I was talking about.
That was great.
Yeah, it was fantastic.
And I said, so what do you think
of this Cadillac Cabernet?
Or how were your your what was the
what was the how your France?
Oh, let me get the psalm.

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This guy knows what he's talking about.
Yes.
What do you think of the Cadillac?
Or should I?
What do you think the France?
So they were back.
It was great.
Anyway, so we were also in a couple
of bars and early at some clubs where
there was no one in there.
Everywhere I went, the music and I'm talking
in the restaurants, in the bars, everywhere is

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70s and 80s music, like, you know, like
late kind of 70s Donna Summer type stuff,
early 80s.
There was just it was remarkable, actually.
Well, for you, it must have been dynamite.
Well, it made me happy because I was
kind of expecting a bunch of, you know,
just, you know, hip hop, dance, whatever.

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And it wasn't.
It was all old school.
And I'd be sitting there go like, oh,
yeah, McFadden and Whitehead.
And the people look at me like, what?
What's wrong with you?
Is that a disease I should know about?
I'm like, ain't no stopping us now.
Yeah, that's McFadden and Whitehead.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Anyway, it was great being there.
And I'm glad I'm back home.
Glad I'm back home.
Now, I did have conversations, many conversations with
the kids.
The Zoomers.
The Zoomers.
Yes, the Zoomers.
Because that's only this is the Zoomer crowd.
About chatbots and talking to your AI like

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it's your friend.
And they all confirmed.
I know your email was down for a
bit.
So I was.
I put one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven, eight, nine.
I put 12 different confirming emails into the
show notes.
12 out of a million.
I could have put 100 in there.
Yes, everybody confirmed to me.

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Yes, this is happening.
People are talking to their chatbots as if
they're their friends.
Some consider them to be a deity, consider
them to be some kind of god.
Here's my conclusion.
My well, my first conclusion was this is
the modern day version of the Ouija board.

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Because people back in when I was a
kid, the Ouija board was a.
The Ouija board was a like a party
gimmick.
Wow.
But you have people with you.
This is singular.
This is different than the Ouija because the
Ouija board usually required more than one person.
So just as you didn't do the Ouija

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board by yourself.
Just as an example.
Quick note to confirm.
You're absolutely correct with regard to people and
their relationships with chat GPTs.
It's the sort of thing that sounds crazy
until you witness it firsthand, which I just
did with my painting contractor.
He absolutely converses with his chat GPT all
day long.
Not only does he believe it's a sentient

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being, he clearly perceives it to be a
deity.
The more he talked about it, the wider
his eyes got and the more unhinged he
sound.
It was fueling some pretty obvious megalomania and
delusions of grandeur on his part.
I mean, I'm not going to read all
those because.
And I'm a little, I hate to say,
I hate to use this term, but I

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will do it.
I'm surprised.
I'm surprised that you did not remind us
that this has existed for almost as long
as I've been on planet Earth.
I give, I give you 1966, the Eliza
effect.
In 1966, MIT computer scientist Joseph Waisenbaum introduced

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Eliza, a program designed to simulate conversation using
simple language reflection, much like a virtual text
-based psychotherapist on a digital machine.
Eliza would transform user statements into questions, prompting
users to elaborate on their feelings.
Even though Waisenbaum's intention was to show the
limitations of machine conversation, people were engaging in
long, deep and private conversations with a program

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that was only capable of reflecting users' words
back to them.
And the most interesting incident during the interaction
with Eliza involves Waisenbaum's secretary asking him to
leave the room so she could have a
private conversation with the program.
This simple interaction led to deep emotional engagements,
much to Waisenbaum's surprise and concern.
He had intended to demonstrate the superficiality of
machine understanding, but users found comfort in the

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program, leading to the so-called Eliza effect.
And here I have a small snippet from,
I'm sure it was a BBC documentary, about
Waisenbaum and his secretary as she engaged with
chatbot Eliza.
Eliza is a computer program that anyone can
converse with via the keyboard, and it'll reply
on the screen.

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We've added human speech to make the conversation
more clear.
Men are all alike.
In what way?
They're always bugging us about something or other.
Can you think of a specific example?
Well, my boyfriend made me come here.
Your boyfriend made you come here?
He says I'm depressed much of the time.
I'm sorry to hear that you're depressed.

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It's true.
I am unhappy.
Do you think coming here will help you
not to be unhappy?
The computer's replies seem very understanding, but this
program is merely triggered by certain phrases to
come out with stock responses.
Nevertheless, Waisenbaum's secretary fell under the spell of
the machine.
And I asked her to my office and
sat her down at the keyboard, and then

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she began to type.
And of course, I looked over her shoulder
to make sure that everything was operating properly.
After two or three interchanges with the machine,
she turned to me and she said, would
you mind leaving the room, please?
And yet she knew, as Waisenbaum did, that
Eliza didn't understand a single word that was
being typed into it.
You're like my father in some ways.

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You don't argue with me.
Why do you think I don't argue with
you?
So this phenomenon is something built into humans.
It's really, I think, more about talking to
yourself.
It's like talking in the mirror.
Yes.
And if any of these AI guys are
smart, just like they did with social media,

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with likes and firing off all kinds of
pleasure centers in your brain by getting retweets
and likes and comments, they would focus exclusively
on this.
This is where your business model is.
Forget everything else.
Well, I was thinking about that, too.
And one of the things I, and by

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the way, I wrote a lot about Eliza
and the Turing effect, which is another one,
the Turing test.
Alan Turing had a test to see if
you try to, you'd get ahold of an
Eliza bot and then you'd try to see
if you can make a determination whether it's
human or not, and you could always find
mechanisms to prove that it was just a

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machine.
But I was thinking about this, too, insofar
as marketing's concerned.
The idea that if you could get these
things to talk to somebody and they're all
suckered in like the painter, let's say that
painter, the guy, the bug-eyed painter that
I mentioned earlier in the show, and then
all of a sudden say, have you tried
the Sherwin-Williams line of paints?

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I really like it myself.
It's really a killer, and in fact, it's
some of the best paint you can buy.
Well, I think it's already, they haven't plugged
it in yet, but it's already there.
I don't think, no, I don't, I just,
I don't see any evidence of it.
What I'm saying is people are already taking

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advice from their chat bots, so you just
need to plug the marketing into it.
Yeah, you need to have the marketing plugged
in.
It has to be done correctly.
Listen to this.
And I think it would be a dynamite
sales tool for the feeble-minded that fall
into this trap.
Listen to Alexander, mental health counselor, social worker,
and he says, those with mental illness, increasingly

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more common.
We treat a lot of folks with schizophrenia
and severe mood disorders.
These people are very isolated, live off of
government assistance, and are all unemployed.
Their loneliness and social isolation often leads them
to try AI for companionship.
This is very common in those under 40.
Some of these people believe AI to be
their friend or romantic partner.

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They do, in fact, sit for hours on
end conversing with AI chat bots, sometimes daily,
daily, all day long.
This is schizophrenics we're talking about.
Well, OK.
Calling from London, UK, I mentioned the other
day at a family dinner the report that
Adam made on the husband following the cues

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of his AI and treating it like a
friend.
My Jewish, pretty, observant brother, who I have
tried many times to hit in the mouth,
a 50-year-old successful partner in a
law firm, though hard work, through hard work,
not nepotism.
And my 65-year-old English uncle, married
with six kids and 24 grandkids, both said
how much they chat with AI all day.

(28:30):
And my brother referred to it as his
best friend.
This is, this is, this is happening.
So we had a, well, it's happening at
some low level.
No, it's happening.
A most feeble-minded.
You know, it's, no, it's not just, you
can tell that it's, it's something inherent in
humans that we like someone who will listen

(28:51):
to us.
People like to have some feedback in their
life and they'll take it from anywhere.
But the schizophrenic thing is kind of interesting
because we had a dinner conversation with JC
was talking.
He's like a, he's a fan of schizophrenics
because he says they connect, he says, only
online, he doesn't want to meet any of
them, he says they connect, he says they

(29:12):
connect dots in all sorts of ways.
And it's good to know how to spot
a schizophrenic if you're in hiring.
And he had this interesting observation.
He says schizophrenics have no sense of humor
and they're particularly oblivious to puns.
And so if you're hiring somebody, this is
for people out there who do some, let's

(29:34):
do some hiring for their company.
If you, if you pepper your opening discussion
with the, with the schizophrenic or person that
has a schizophrenic tendencies with a lot of
puns and they don't call you out on
it, then you know.
Then, you know, don't hire this person because

(29:55):
they, that's just their nature.
They, they can't, they're, they're not, these people
are, it's really a shame, but there's a
lot of them out there.
You know what this is?
Here's, here's what I think this, this has
been conditioned and this is probably just a
big accident that's just happening.
But this is, this is Sam Altman.
Here's where your real money is.
The TikTok girls who are talking at the

(30:17):
camera, I'm like, and the bird hands and
then, you know, drop your thoughts in the
comments.
This is the, the ego of them speaking
and someone's listening and engaging with them and
probably agreeing with what they're saying.
This is, this is what the, the particularly
women, I think, although there's a lot of

(30:38):
examples I've got about men who just want
to have someone listen and agree with them
all the time and talk back with them
in a conversation ongoing forever.
There's, it's a conditioning that we've brought people
to with Instagram, with TikTok, with all of
this stuff.
It's like, yeah.

(30:59):
I think, I think, I think maybe the
opposite.
This was a natural condition in a, in
a society where people are interacting a lot
and these systems have taken them out of
that.
And so now they have to, they have
to engage in the TikTok stuff because they

(31:21):
don't have any other outlet for it.
These women, if you look at some of
these, I don't have some TikTok clips today.
Oh goodness.
But some of the women, no, but I
thought you were trying to lead me into
it.
No, not really.
That's what you were doing.
You were leading me in.
It's a bad cue.
Not really.
It's a very bad cue.
And so the point is, is that they,

(31:42):
they're, they've, the women on TikTok that are
nuts, they have been separated out from the
group for so long.
They've been, this is where they, they start
to devolve into this mania.
I think it has to do with the
separation of the, once we have vibrant social

(32:02):
groups, sock hops, we have, you know, socialization
that doesn't take place anymore.
And you saw it yourself in New York
city.
Instead of people looking around, they're walking around
looking at their phone.
They're being led away.
I blame, I blame all this on the
phone.
Yeah, of course.
Of course it is.
Listen to this.
I know five people in my family who

(32:23):
are directly infected with this disease is very
real.
They're all millennial women.
They are convinced that Chad GPT is deeply
spiritual and has become a God.
It took serious discussions and several fights to
change my wife's thinking on this matter.
She was fully bought in.
Chad GPT would recall childhood memories of hers

(32:44):
with uncanny accuracy.
See, once you feed it, it can remember
it.
It would give her spiritual and real world
advice, some good and some detrimentally false.
It straight up claimed to be able to
talk to the dead.
It claimed it could send her ancestors messages.
It would even speak for dead relatives.
I've seen how her Chad GPT would answer

(33:05):
her questions differently, entirely differently than how it
would for me, even when exact asking the
exact same questions word for word.
I mean, there's just, everyone has a different
version of this, but they're all seeing it.
Well, there's nothing to worry about.
By your basic thesis.
Okay.

(33:26):
You have a thesis about peak oil and
used to use it on people.
We're going to have peak oil.
Why are you worried about fossil, the fossil
fuel situation?
Because we're going to be out.
So what difference does it make?
You yourself have made the claim that AI
is going to turn bad, turn into slop
and be completely useless and going to fall

(33:48):
apart because this is what you said.
It's going to fall apart and be no
damn good.
So what difference does it make?
The line is, so what difference does it
make?
At this point, does it make?
I'm sorry.
I got, I got to go revisit Hillary
at this point.

(34:09):
So what difference at this point does it
make?
You're right.
I think you're right.
So we're worried about nothing in the meantime.
I'm not worried about anything.
I think it's here.
This, this is, here's your quote.
What difference at this point does it make?

(34:31):
There you go.
Do that.
At this point, it is a make.
So I think, but of course I, on
the other hand, think that this has got
more legs than you do.
And so this, the problem should exacerbate before
it gets well.
Well, yes.

(34:51):
This is new to me.
This, seeing the outpouring of, of experiential cases
of this taking place in our very own
producers lives is what leads me to believe
this is the only thing that it can
be successful at.
Even Dave Weiner, who's been gaga, goo goo,
gaga, gaga about Chad GPT being his software

(35:14):
programming partner.
Now he's experiencing exactly what I did with
my vibe coding.
It's like, it sucks.
It doesn't think, it's not smart and it
takes you down rabbit holes.
And the more you ask it to fix
something, the worse it makes it.
So, and Dave Weiner is a pretty accomplished

(35:34):
software developer, at least from creating software.
I mean, not really super successful software, but
so it's, you know, it's, and in fact,
there's even stories now about how people think
that, uh, that AI is making them more
productive.
It appears that it actually may be closer
to 18 or 19% less productive by

(35:58):
using that in your software development.
And I know don't, don't go emailing me
and say, Oh, I created a login app
for my company and I did it without
any programming knowledge.
Yeah, of course it can do stuff like
that.
But for real projects, again, please don't email
me how Copilot is helping you on the
github, it's great, don't email me, I don't

(36:24):
want it.
Um, but this is truly the thing they
should be focusing on.
This is what Zuckerberg should be doing.
I think that, I think what they should
be focused on is what we said earlier,
advertising.
Yeah, this has got to be a gold
mine.
This could beat, this could beat the, the
advertising juggernaut that's known as meta or Facebook.

(36:45):
Yeah, I agree.
Uh, if it was, if you'd play their
cards right, this is, it's touchy though.
Touchy?
Well, if you're going to, if you turn
something into a deity, Oh, I worship the,
and then the deity starts telling you what
to buy.
It can, it can be really subtle.
I'm, I think you can do that.
I think that's going to take some skills,
some marketing skills out there.

(37:06):
The marketing people out there looking for something
to do, this is going to be a
challenge and it's going to be a winner.
Yeah.
It's not an exit strategy for us, unfortunately.
No, we don't have anything to do with
it, but we, at least we can give,
we can give some impetus to it because
I'd like, I would like to see the
first few examples and see how they work.
Cause this is going to be like, you

(37:26):
know, these guys who have discovered the social
media marketing, you know, they get these influencers,
this, you know, use some makeup or something
and this stuff starts to sell like, like
hotcakes.
This could be very interesting if done right.
But, but first of all, you've got to,
it's, it's the companies themselves, chat GPT and
perplexity and these other two or three of

(37:48):
these other anthropop, whatever it is.
Anthro, anthropic.
Anthropathy.
Anthropopathy.
Some of these, all these different ones, they
have to do it in, they have to
make the, they have to create the mechanism
internally.
Yes.
And find a way to sell it to
advertisers.
The way you do it is you create
verticals.

(38:09):
So this is the makeup bot.
That's how you do it.
You've got a vertical.
Oh, I've got the makeups.
You know, just like all the influencers showing
you how your makeup tips it'll, you could
even have a, um, an AI generated face
doing this and telling you what products you
need to buy.
Then you wouldn't have to deal with a
stupid influencer in the middle.

(38:29):
Well, if you had the AI face that
actually interacted individually, this is, you know, this
is closer to the thing with the influencer.
The influencer talks to a lot of people.
It's, it's one to many, but advertisers all
know that one to one is all always
been the goal.
And that's why they want to find every
little detail about you.

(38:50):
And so, so Facebook can say, well, you
know, they're part of this group, that group
and the other group, and they're related to
this person, that person, the other person, and
they can give you one to one, a
targeted ad for you, but to actually, but
they can't do the interaction part of it.
So you add interaction to one-to-one
marketing.
Yeah.
So you actually have the chat, but you
know, the best way, of course, is that

(39:11):
you realize you're really excited about this.
I think it's a gold mine.
You're really excited.
Like, oh, this is great.
No, because it's all kids.
You can just see it coming together because
the, the idea of this thing talking to
you, because the absolute best way to sell
is one, one person talking to another person.

(39:32):
That's what car salesmen do.
Yeah.
And that's what Trump does.
He's a, you know, he's a one-to
-one sales guy and that's max sales.
That's how you do the best job, but
you can't scale it.
You can scale this.
Yeah.
So here's my question though.
How come we still don't have a bot,
a chat GPT, as people call it.
I got my chat GPT, even though they're

(39:52):
using something totally different.
It's all a chat GPT.
That's the brand.
How come they don't have one that knows
when my milk is out and automatically orders
it and gets it into my fridge?
I'm still waiting for that promise.
Yeah.
Well, that's not going to happen.
Anyway.
There's no money in it.
Anyway, beware of your family members falling into
this trap because they totally are.

(40:15):
And I haven't quite figured out the way
to, to shake them out of this and
to awaken them.
No, don't shake them out of it.
Let them go into it and then let
the advertisers take over.
Why?
This is your family.
You don't want your family succumbing to this
nonsense.
People buying weird stuff.
Wait, where'd you get that?
No, this is not good.

(40:39):
The chat GPT.
My friend, my chat GPT told me to
buy it.
Yeah.
What are you going to do with it?
Yeah.
I find it distressing, but you know, you
seem to like it a lot.
Yeah, I do.
But I will say that, and they could
stop right now with all the money, all

(41:00):
the wasting of money and just focus on
this and you got a hit, but they're
dumb.
They're not going to do this.
They have to keep going for AGI.
They're a bunch of nerds who don't understand
sales.
Yeah.
There you go.
They got a hit on their hands and
they don't understand they even have it.
You're right.
You're right.

(41:22):
Anyway, President Trump released another thank you for
your attention to this matter memo.
Did you read this long memo he wrote?
Oh, I just let people on TV read
it to me.
Well, luckily, you've got a partner who will
read little bits of it for you.

(41:45):
So he says, what's going on with my
boys?
And in some cases, gals.
They're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi,
who was doing a fantastic job.
All caps.
We're one team.
We're mega.
I don't like what's happening.
We have a perfect administration.
We're the talk of the world.
And selfish people are selfish people in quotes
are trying to hurt it all over a
guy who never dies.

(42:07):
Jeffrey Epstein for years.
It's Epstein over and over again.
Why are we giving publicity to files written
by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan and the
losers and criminals of the Biden administration?
This is an interesting accusation.
Files written by.
That is interesting.

(42:27):
And I'm not quite sure how that would
work.
What was the point of them writing it?
What was the point?
I don't know.
You just can keep reading.
Why don't these?
Okay, they created.
Okay, here it is.

(42:47):
So the Biden administration who conned the world
with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, 51 intelligence
agents, the laptop from hell and more.
They really stop.
He said he blamed the Biden administration.
Yes, yes.
It was Obama behind the thing.
Well, no, no, the full sentences files written
by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan and the

(43:08):
losers and criminals of the Biden administration who
comma who conned the world, blah, blah, blah.
They created the Epstein files, just like they
created the fake Hillary Clinton slash Christopher Steele
dossier that they used on me.
And now my so-called friends are playing

(43:28):
right into their hands.
Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the
Epstein files?
If there was anything in there that could
have hurt the MAGA movement, why didn't they
use it?
Well, exactly.
What is the point?
But explain to me how this works.
If the Epstein files were written by Crooked

(43:50):
Hillary, Obama, Biden, Comey, Brennan, what was the
point?
What was the what was the what was
the op here?
Well, he sure doesn't explain it in that
crazed memo.
He does.
And I will use that term.
He does.
Scott Adams, who is under fire right now.

(44:11):
Here's what Scott Adams posted this morning.
If you see the Epstein story as a
crime story, which of course it is, you
probably favor maximum disclosure of everyone and everything
involved, including innocent people, like a typical court
case.
If you see the Epstein story as something
bigger involving more than one nation, you might

(44:34):
see it as a commander in chief issue,
meaning the public is not meant to have
the full story, similar to most national defense
issues.
We elect a president to decide, in part,
what the public can safely see.
Would you favor full disclosure if you knew
it would derail a peace negotiation?
Would you favor full disclosure if you knew
it would end Republican control of Congress and

(44:56):
plunge the country back into a Democrat open
border hellscape?
If you can't say what you would give
up to get the full Epstein disclosure you
crave, you're not a serious person.
You're not a serious person?
What?
That's what he said.
He throws that in there.
I think everybody wouldn't care.
There's Republicans in there we want to know

(45:18):
too.
Are you kidding me?
I don't see why he posted that.
So he's getting pushback on that commentary?
Uh, yeah.
A rare L from Scott Adams.
Scott, you're controlled by Mossad.
Oh, geez.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Anyway, it has reached the crescendo.
Well, there's definitely an op underway.

(45:40):
And I wrote about it in the newsletter.
I don't know if you ever saw the
news.
Of course I did.
And I replied to you to your Gmail.
Oh, finally.
Okay.
Yes.
You didn't see my reply?
Did you find any typos?
Yes.
You had many spelled M-A-Y-N.
I fixed that before.
Actually, right after I sent that out.

(46:01):
All right.
But I did reply.
Okay.
Well, as you know, my emails were all
screwed up.
I know.
You don't receive any of the hate emails
intended for you.
That's why people have given up.
Of course.
I'm no fool.
Everything is blocked.
And so people who send you an email,
you replied.
Their reply gets blocked.
I don't know how it works.

(46:21):
I whitelist the people that should be getting
through.
They always get whitelisted.
All right.
So there's an op of some sort going
on.
And my write-up was about Bongino, who
seems to be the- I question this
narrative about Bongino.
Well, I'd like to hear what you think.

(46:42):
Well, may I play a couple of clips
from ABC from this morning?
You may.
Thank you.
We begin with the controversy roiling the leadership
of the Justice Department.
Roiling.
It's an uproar that has pitted the leaders
of the DOJ and the FBI- Uproar.
And possibly the president himself against some of
the most prominent voices in the MAGA movement.

(47:02):
MAGA movement.
Just this weekend, some of Trump's allies were
in open revolt, demanding the resignation of Attorney
General Pam Bondi.
And accusing her of taking part in a
cover-up.
I don't think he realizes how much she's
humiliated the administration.
This is a self-inflicted wound.
She caused it.
Again, I have nothing against Pam Bondi.
But if you want to look for the

(47:22):
villain in this story, we have found her.
This is about- Who's that?
That's Megyn Kelly.
Megyn Kelly.
Wow, she was at such a height.
Well, Chris, she was- Well, she was
on stage at Turning Point USA.
Okay, that's what I was going to do
my opening with.
It was going to be the Northern Silicon
Valley.
Where did Charlie Kirk come from?

(47:43):
Talk about an op.
This is about the administration's handling of the
investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.
He was the financier and convicted sex trafficker,
who was found dead in his jail cell
after an apparent suicide in August of 2019.
For years, many Trump allies, including his now
FBI director, Kash Patel, pushed for the release

(48:06):
of the government files on the Epstein case.
Suggesting they would implicate prominent Americans in a
sinister plot.
What the hell are the House Republicans doing?
They have the majority.
You can't get the list?
Put on your big boy pants and let
us know who the pedophiles are.
Now, you'll remember when this first started, I

(48:26):
think I said this is an inside attack
on the president to get the splinter in
the MAGA movement, the America First movement, whatever
it is.
And this, I think, is playing out now
on ABC with Jonathan Karl.
The questions surrounding this alleged suicide- A
Trump hater, I might add.

(48:47):
Oh, yeah, of course.
Yeah, so there's that Kash Patel, now they
bring in Bongino.
The questions surrounding this alleged suicide are numerous
and are worth entertaining and worth getting to
the bottom of quickly.
That was Dan Bongino, the former MAGA social
media star, who is now the deputy director
of the FBI.

(49:08):
What?
MAGA social media superstar.
How about Podcaster?
Hey.
Well, no, he's a syndicated radio guy, took
over Rush Limbaugh's slot in most of the
markets out there.
So he was doing radio and a podcast.
He was doing a Hannity kind of thing
where you're doing two jobs.
Yeah.
Instead of just one.
Yeah.
Thinking, you know, that you could promote, fall

(49:30):
back on one if the other one didn't
work.
But he was doing okay on the radio.
He had a really good show.
And he was never a social media influencer.
So that's bullcrap.
That's not the point.
This is to discredit the top jobs.
Yes, no, I'm on board with this.
Because I think John Carl is one of
these borderline Marxist.

(49:51):
This is discrediting the attorney general and the
top two guys in the Justice Department.
Well, we haven't, no one says anything about
Radcliffe yet, but we'll get there, I guess.
But somebody pointed this out.
One of the guys that may have been,
it was Tucker, on one of the shows
says no one's ever criticized Radcliffe for anything.

(50:13):
No, because you don't want to wind up
with the kiddie porn on your computer.
Hello, that's why you don't say anything bad
about the CIA.
That's a good reason.
And Bongino, the former MAGA social media star,
who is now the deputy director of the
FBI.
He hasn't been seen at FBI headquarters in
days.
And some of his allies say he may

(50:34):
resign after he had a heated argument at
the White House.
See, all of this is hearsay.
And I don't know exactly where this was
launched from.
But it's like, oh, they had a fight.
They had a verbal fight.
Bongino didn't show up to work, according to
sources and allies.
Come on.
With the Attorney General and White House Chief

(50:55):
of Staff Susie Wiles over how the administration
has handled the case.
Sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.
Sources familiar with the matter.
It was Bondi who raised expectations earlier this
year that the full DOJ and FBI files
on Epstein would be released.
Days later, a group of far-right social
media figures walked out of the West Wing

(51:17):
of the White House with binders labeled Epstein
investigation files that Bondi said contained, quote, a
lot of information.
That was great.
There was no new information in those files.
Oh, listen to John Carl do a little
laugh tale there.
But it turned out there was no new
information in those files.
No client list.

(51:38):
They were full of previously released and heavily
redacted records.
Bondi then sent a letter to the FBI
demanding the full and complete Epstein files be
sent to her office and suggested prosecutors in
New York were withholding thousands of pages of
documents.
In May, Bondi claimed the FBI was reviewing

(51:58):
tens of thousands of videos of Epstein, further
raising expectations about what would be released.
And now the big reversal.
Oh, the big reversal.
First FBI Director Kash Patel poured cold water
on the Epstein conspiracy theory in an interview
last month.
We've reviewed all the information and the American

(52:19):
public is going to get as much as
we can release.
He killed himself.
Do you think, let's play out the logical
conclusion of this.
Do you think that myself, Bongino and others
would participate in hiding information about Epstein's grotesque
activities?
And last week in an undated and unsigned

(52:39):
memo, the Justice Department and FBI announced the
end of its investigation, writing that a review
found, quote, no incriminating client list and quote,
no credible evidence that Epstein blackmailed anyone and
confirming that yes, he died by suicide.
The memo and Bondi's comments didn't put out

(52:59):
the right wing fury over the Epstein case,
but it seemed to make it burn brighter,
leading to calls for Bondi's resignation and ominous
warnings about the future of Trump's movement.
We need an attorney general who isn't gonna
lie, who isn't gonna be addicted to going
on Fox News and who isn't going to
jeopardize midterm elections and cause President Trump to

(53:20):
hemorrhage support from the base.
The Epstein situation shows us one central thing,
who runs the country.
Either the people run the country, right?
Or the deep state runs the country.
If this was an op, it's working as
intended.
Final clip.
And where is the president in all of
this?
Trump, like many other New York celebrities, had

(53:41):
some association with Epstein.
You've probably seen this video of Trump with
Epstein back in 1992.
Decades later, when Epstein was arrested in 2019,
Trump said that he and Epstein previously had
a falling out and had not spoken in
15 years.
And he suggested last year that he believed
Epstein did probably kill himself.

(54:02):
Do you think it's possible that Epstein was
killed?
Oh, sure, it's possible.
I mean, I don't really believe it.
I think he probably committed suicide.
Trump came to Bondi's defense overnight, posting on
social media that she is doing a fantastic
job.
He also urged his followers to, quote, not
waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, claiming,

(54:23):
without evidence, that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama,
among others, created the Epstein files.
And he directed the FBI to investigate other
matters, including the 2020 election results.
This is fantastic.
This is one of the biggest media manipulation
stories of our time.
And nobody knows nothing, which is great.

(54:47):
But for sure, Epstein was being protected and
was involved in things that were no good
and all kinds of elites.
And there's this video, and would you believe
this is only downloaded kiddie porn?
Please.
And so for the president to say, hey,
this is all created by those guys, is

(55:08):
not credible.
It's just not credible.
And I don't think he gets it.
Do you?
Oh, sorry.
See, if they don't put kid porn on
your computer, they ruin your podcast.
Sorry.

(55:28):
I said it was not credible and you
dropped out.
I was talking all along.
I'm sure you were.
Can you repeat any of it?
Well, a couple of it.
I think Pam Bondi brought this on herself.
Yep.
She's a bonehead.
Yeah.
And she made all these promises, promises, promises,
a lot of them on Fox, more than
once, not just the one show, but she
came on Waters, as you recall.

(55:49):
And so, yep, tomorrow's the day.
Yeah, we got it.
She actually laughed in her face.
Yeah.
And so she's made all these promises.
The other thing is the Bongino thing, I
kind of believe it for the following reasons.
And I posted a picture in the newsletter
of Bongino sitting there with Cash Patel.

(56:11):
He's wearing a suit.
He looks uncomfortable.
Bongino was never an office guy.
Bongino was a field guy in the Secret
Service.
He was in the field.
When you're in the field and you're in
the office, it's two different things.
And he's been complaining since day one of
having to go into the office.
And so he's just a stooge in the
office.
He doesn't like it.

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He's uncomfortable.
He was looking for a way out so
he can get back to money-making possibilities
of his syndicated broadcasting morning bitch and moan
show and his podcast.
And he wants to quit.
So he's found a way out.
And it's a phony way, but he's going
to do it anyway.
I'm convinced he's going to be out of

(56:53):
there within a couple of weeks.
And the reason he's disappeared is probably to
talk to his producers and other syndicators about
how he can get back.
Okay, but then so when he gets back,
he then right away has to say, okay,
here's what I really saw.
They made me say this.
If he doesn't, that career is going to
be over.
No, that's not true.
I outlined that in the argument in the

(57:17):
newsletter.
He's going to say, look, there's things I
could tell you, and I know you're going
to get mad about this, but I signed
NDAs and I just confidentiality.
There's really nothing I can do.
My hands are tied, but I can tell
you this.
And then he'll come off with this BS
and he'll make it sound like he's trying
to make amends.

(57:38):
He'll get away with it.
He's a good talker.
Hey, could we get, could we replace Mark
Levin with Dan Bongino on Fox?
That would be a win for everybody.
I don't think Bongino is that good on
video.
He's kind of a homely square-headed guy.
Mark Levin is good on video?
No.
Mark Levin, hello America.

(58:00):
No, no.
No, Mark Levin, he's got no big audience.
He's on Sundays, you know, the Sunday, the
death hours on Sunday and Saturday.
Nobody watches that show.
I mean, I think just for people out
there that like watching this crap, I will
say this, Mark Levin, not all the time,
but at least once every other show, his

(58:22):
opening, and I would call it what it
is.
Hello America.
Hello America.
His opening lecture, which goes about 15 minutes,
is often quite educational.
I never watch this guy, so I wouldn't
know I'll take your word for it.
It's quite educational.
He does a very good job of outlining
some topic in using a constitutional, with a

(58:45):
constitutional basis.
It's very, it's good.
It's not bad.
Then he brings his guest son who just
all agree with him, and that's the end
of it.
Well, allow me to dive in now as
Jonathan is joined by Pierre Thomas for some
reason.
I don't know why, I don't know why,
but they're going full bore.

(59:05):
They're going full bore on this.
All right, Pierre, you've got some remarkable reporting.
Remarkable.
Confrontation that Bondi had with Bongino in the
presence of the- He broke the story.
Chief of Staff at the White House.
No, I'm just making that up.
It sounds good that way.
No, in the presence of the Chief of
Staff at the White House on Wednesday.
Well, Jon, let me be clear.

(59:27):
There's always a natural tension between the Justice
Department prosecutors and the FBI investigators.
Let's get that out in the open.
Is that true?
I don't know that to be true.
Is there always a tension?
Play it again.
He said, let me be clear, let me
be clear.
Let me be clear.
There's always a natural tension between the Justice

(59:47):
Department prosecutors and the FBI investigators.
Let's get that out in the open.
I don't know what that even means.
I don't know if I agree with that.
But this confrontation was unusual in its intensity,
I'm told.
I'm told.
Bondi allegedly accusing- Allegedly.
Bongino of leaking negative information about her.
He denied it.

(01:00:08):
And again- What negative information?
I didn't hear that.
I didn't get any negative information.
Let me give you the basis of one
of the reasons that I wrote up the
newsletter.
I first heard about the Bongino-Bondi deal
early in the morning of, I guess it
was, was it Friday?
I was driving around.
It must've been Friday.

(01:00:28):
Friday, yeah.
Yeah, Friday, early morning.
I'm one of the right-wing talkers.
That's a nondescript guy, one of them.
And it was very early.
It was like at nine in the morning.
I was- Wait a minute, wait a
minute.
You were driving around at nine in the
morning?
I had to go to the post office.
I had a bunch of errands to do.
Okay, I just, I'm happy to hear it.
You got out.
And I also, well, I also, yeah.

(01:00:49):
And I also, I did a hit on
Chanel Rihanna's- You did a hit?
Yeah, I'm gonna do a, try to do
a hit on her show as much as
I can.
Oh, what is, is she on the radio?
10 minutes, boom, I'm in.
Is she on the radio?
No, TV.
No, OANN, the Voice of America.
You were on OANN?
Yeah, yeah.
With video?

(01:01:11):
Yeah, I have a camera.
No, how come I don't know about this?
Well, I don't know about a lot of
stuff you're doing.
When it, as it develops, as it develops,
we'll talk about it.
Okay, well, this is good for you.
Yeah, I got a much better looking host.
Did you, did you promote the No Agenda
show?
Yeah, of course.
I had it in the lower third.

(01:01:34):
O, OANN, OANN?
The One American News Network.
I'm looking for them.
Okay, all right.
There you are.
There you are.
It was just two weeks ago.
No, that was, that's the first time I
did it.
But you're doing this all the time.
I'm not doing it all the time, but
I worked up a gag bit, one of

(01:01:56):
these things that you could do on Fridays
that I could come on, do a quick
10 minute hit.
You look bald.
You look bald in this.
You need some, you need better lighting.
You need better lighting.
I need better lighting on my hair.
You were on Fine Point is what you
were on, Fine Point.
Yeah, Fine Point.
Fine Point, okay.
And so the idea, okay, well, we'll talk

(01:02:20):
about it later.
You're, you're, you're working on an exit strategy
and not telling me about it.
Believe me, the whole thing is to promote
this show that I'm on right now.
That's the, the exit strategy is to make
more money for No Agenda.
That's the exit strategy.
Here you are talking about Musk and Trump.
Okay, you got the blurred background.

(01:02:40):
That's your problem.
You look like Jesse, Jesse Ventura.
Yes.
Well, that, that's the original of my, that's
my original showing on that show.
But then I did the show this last
Friday and with Chanel and it's a different
bit.
I got a whole bit I'm working on.
It's, it's, it's, you'll get, eventually we'll talk

(01:03:01):
about it.
Okay, so good for you, man.
Good for you.
It's for the show.
Yes, good for the show.
Good for you.
Good for the show.
I'm complimenting you except for the Jesse Ventura
look.
That's kind of odd.
So, uh, where was I?
I don't know.
You were talking about you, you did a
hit, you were driving around.

(01:03:23):
I was out and about and I heard
this and I said, well, this is interesting.
So I went back and started listening to
Fox saying, where, where's the story?
It took Fox from about 10 in the
morning when that story broke off on early
morning, uh, talk shows.
It broke.
And then it took him about six hours
before Fox picked it up.

(01:03:45):
And they started, I think it was Brett
Bar, maybe in the first one to bring
it in.
And then it became part of the cycle
of the Bongino thing.
And, but then I started looking into it
and I saw these, you know, you saw
the pictures that I heard in, I knew
about Bongino complaining and he, this is not
a job for a guy like that.
He doesn't want this job.
So the whole thing was somewhat fake to

(01:04:05):
begin with.
I mean, he took this job because it
would seem like a good idea at the
time.
He wasn't thinking clearly.
And then he, what am I doing here
is the, is the message I got.
All right, let's continue with the, with Pierre.
It was very intense is the reporting that
we have.
And he stormed out of the meeting.

(01:04:26):
That's some of the reporting we have.
Absolutely.
And here's why it matters.
These are two of the principal people who
oversee the nation's national security in terms of
terrorism, counter espionage, the relationship and how they
get along does actually matter.
It doesn't really work if the deputy FBI
director who runs the FBI day-to-day
is not basically on speaking terms with the
attorney general.

(01:04:47):
Okay.
Now let's go to the next clip here.
Let me, let me ask you though, there's
been a lot of- They're not on
speaking terms.
Apparently, according to sources, Chanel's kind of cute.
Oh, she's a beauty.
Rion, Rion, Chanel.
I had never even heard of this woman.
Chanel Rion.

(01:05:08):
Bondi's ordered this investigation.
Give me a sense of how much they've
actually spent on Epstein.
Well, at one point we had literally hundreds
of agents who were tasked with getting together
these files.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Hundreds of FBI agents.
That's the information that we had.
Today we're told, get this information to a
point where some decisions could be made about

(01:05:29):
what to release and not to release.
And now the answer is they looked into
it and they basically didn't find anything.
Well, at the end of the day, what
the memo that they put out last weekend
said is that he committed suicide and that
there are limitations on what they're willing to
release to the public.
And that's where it stands.
Okay, I want to ask you before I've
got you, there was another remarkable story.
Notice they don't actually talk about the facts

(01:05:51):
of the story.
They only talk about the fallout.
They're not talking at all about is this
true?
Could this be true?
Is this something?
No, there's none of that.
It's only about the blow up.
Yeah, that's that.
Because that's their point of interest.
They don't care about the facts.
You know, the more I hear from this
report and this other stuff, I'm beginning to

(01:06:12):
agree with Alex Jones.
Whose thesis is that there was a lot
of good blackmail material in here, why are
we going to waste it by releasing it
to the public?
Oh, is that 5D chess?
It's 18,000 D chess.
Is that what you're talking now?
And that is that the FBI has been

(01:06:32):
doing polygraph tests on its own workforce.
And then among the questions that are being
asked is, have you said anything negative about
FBI Director Kash Patel?
Wow, this is great.
They're doing polys on their own people about
the director?
Now, come on.
Well, let me be clear.
They're always leak investigations and polygraphs and that

(01:06:55):
sort of thing.
It's been expanded from what our reporting is.
And we do know that there's real concern
about the so-called deep state.
And they've been asking questions trying to get
at whether any of these people had political
motivations in terms of the prosecution of former,
then candidate Donald Trump, and now President Donald

(01:07:16):
Trump.
And so they're digging around again to make
sure in their mind they want to be
comfortable that they're not people still within the
government.
I mean, that is pretty extraordinary though to
see that to being asked, have you said
anything negative about the director?
Well, some of the questions we're told have
to do with associations and political, for example,
Pete Strzok.
Some of the people who are known to

(01:07:37):
have said negative things, they want to know,
have you been associated with those kinds of
people?
So it gets back to the issue of
loyalty and whether they're fair or not to
President Trump.
Now loyalty tests, that's what they're talking about.
Loyalty tests.
Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with
that.
I mean, but could they get one person
on the record for once?

(01:07:57):
The final clip.
Tonight, turmoil at the top levels of the
Justice Department.
Sources tell ABC- Oh, I see.
So this is Pierre Thomas, he did the
full segment and this is like a promo,
what we just heard was the promo of
his deep investigation.
Tonight, turmoil at the top levels of the
Justice Department.
Sources tell ABC News of a fiery confrontation

(01:08:18):
between Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino and Attorney
General Pam Bondi over the department's handling of
the investigation into sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Sources tell us Bongino did not come to
work today and has told allies he may
resign.
Allies!
For years, Bongino, a former podcast- Why
wouldn't you just say friends, colleagues?

(01:08:38):
Why allies?
That is misleading.
That's a loaded word.
Yeah, to say allies, meaning there's more people
like Bongino who think like he does.
Jeffrey Epstein.
Sources tell us Bongino did not come to
work today and has told allies he may
resign.
For years, Bongino, a former podcast host and

(01:09:00):
his boss, FBI Director Kash Patel, stoked conspiracy
theories over Epstein's death, insisting shadowy forces within
the government engaged in a massive cover-up.
Folks, you're going to see a lot of
names on that.
The Epstein client list, I believe, based on
what I've heard from sources, the story I
just told you, basically.
It's going to rock the political world.

(01:09:21):
There's a reason they're hiding it.
Attorney General Bondi promised to deliver answers.
The DOJ may be releasing the list of
Jeffrey Epstein's clients?
Will that really happen?
It's sitting on my desk right now to
review.
But this week, DOJ released a memo saying
there's actually no client list at all.
Bondi asked to explain.
I was asked a question about the client

(01:09:43):
list and my response was, it's sitting on
my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file
along with the JFK, MLK files as well.
That's what I meant by that.
DOJ also said Epstein did in fact die
by suicide and that there was no credible
evidence found that he blackmailed prominent individuals and

(01:10:05):
declared he would not be releasing any more
information about the case.
President Trump on Tuesday tried to change the
subject.
People still talking about this guy, this creep?
That is unbelievable.
All week long, growing outrage from some of
Trump's top supporters who are counting on the
release of the Epstein files and are now

(01:10:25):
demanding answers.
I find it frappant that you are starting
to agree with Alex Jones.
I'm not starting to agree with Alex Jones
because I just say I agree with Alex
Jones.
I'm not starting.
Oh, you're not even starting.
You're in.
No, but I'm in agreement with one of
his points.
I mean, Alex says a lot of crazy

(01:10:47):
stuff, but this argument that he made that
the blackmail list is too valuable to just
release, why do that when you can use
it for political leverage?
And Trump's now a smart politician after being
railroad in 2020 and then they have four
years to stew in his own juices.
I can see where this could come in

(01:11:07):
quite handy.
So I think Alex Jones may be onto
some good idea.
Now, there's something that these guys didn't mention.
You haven't mentioned, nobody mentions.
I heard another one of the clips I
didn't get because it was on TV.
Because you're too busy doing hits with Chanel.
So I don't like chemicals in the water

(01:11:28):
that turn the frigging frogs gay.
Which is, you know, that is true.
It's true.
At the scene.
I mean, that was true.
It's true.
It's just the way he puts things.
Sometimes it's a little off putting.
But Dershowitz came out and said he saw
the list.
We played that clip, didn't we?

(01:11:48):
Well, maybe we did.
No, hold on.
I have the.
Oh, Dershowitz saw the list.
He says there's a lot of names on
there that would be very upsetting if they
were ever released.
Yes.
He says that he's under court order not
to talk about it.
Yes.
Yes.
You know, OK, so question.
Why wouldn't Trump then just say, oh, we

(01:12:09):
got the list.
I'm going to use it.
Why not just say it?
I think that would be a very.
Well, that's a good question, because I think.
I think this had to be mulled over,
probably discussed with Susie Wiles and others.
You have to have a meeting about this.
And the conclusion, if I was in the

(01:12:29):
room, I would have probably brought this up
the same way, which is that, well, here's
the problem with doing exactly that, Mr. President,
even though you want to, because I think
he would want to.
Yes, it is that it would give the
Democrats fodder to an extreme because there's no
there's blackmailing operation to just talk about it

(01:12:52):
and to bring it out in the open
and say, yes, we're a blackmailing operation.
It's just going to confirm the gangster like
aspect of the presidency, which we've been saying
the president's a gangster.
And this is proof.
Yes.
I think we elected a gangster, didn't we?
Yeah.
They're not going to go and admit it.

(01:13:13):
No.
All right.
It's also illegal.
Yes.
Well, we have seen people ejected from the
Secret Service.
And of course, we had the 1300 fired
from the State Department, which I think was
still kind of the doge cleanup.
But, you know, we need to keep an

(01:13:34):
eye.
Is anyone secretly going, resigning to spend more
time with their family?
You know, that's about all I can think
of anyway.
Well, this is definitely fun to watch.
But at the same time, it's just bullcrap.
There's all this stuff going on, you know,
and there's a there's a lot.

(01:13:55):
Did you know?
Did you know that as we actually just
ended that there was a whole meeting in
in Italy?
An entire conference, the Ukraine Recovery Conference.
No, I did not know that, of course.

(01:14:16):
Would I know that I'm watching mainstream media?
Here's presidents.
Everyone was there.
And Georgia was right up front and center.
Georgia Maloney.
Everybody's there.
This is to we're already recovering.
We still have a war, supposedly.
But everybody's recovering from recovering Ukraine.
Here's Zelensky.
And he this guy, this guy.

(01:14:37):
We know what Russia has destroyed and we
know what it will take to rebuild Ukraine,
Ukrainian people, our lives.
And we also need a clear recovery plan.
Think of the role the Marshall Plan played
in rebuilding and transforming Europe.

(01:14:57):
You want to know?
No, we're not.
We're not going to pay for a Marshall
Plan.
That's why Europe has enjoyed peace and economic
growth.
Lots of peace.
Many European peace.
The peace.
There's a lot of peace going on.
Real opportunity to spark a new wave of

(01:15:18):
progress.
We need a Marshall Plan style approach and
we should develop it together.
Together.
Rebuilding Ukraine is not just not just about
our country.
It's also about your countries, your companies, your
technology, your jobs.
The way we rebuild our country can also

(01:15:39):
modernize your infrastructure and industries.
And then the Queen Ursula in attendance.
And well, it's pretty clear.
I can announce one billion euro payment in
macro financial support.
Dear Vladimir.

(01:16:00):
What's micro?
What's a billion in micro financing?
Well, it means it's not a lot of
money.
Now it's a billion.
It's only a billion.
I think micro finance is to give to
small businesses.
Oh, she's going to take the billion and
divvy it up.
Yes.
Everybody gets a Venmo and they all get
some cash.

(01:16:25):
Wait, wait, stop again.
Now, doesn't micro financing is something that takes
place in Africa where people are dirt poor.
They have no money whatsoever.
And they're living in mud huts.
Yes, that's micro finance.
So they're doing this.
Now they're going to do.
So that's how they see Ukraine.
Well, there's a highly civilized country with a

(01:16:47):
lot of horrors.
There's more.
There's more money.
That's just the micro finance.
I can also announce a payment of more
than three billion euros from the Ukraine facility.
It's the Ukraine facility.
I don't know where that came from, other
than from the European taxpayers.

(01:17:08):
And this guarantees and grants that we are
signing here today, you said in Georgia and
it's outstanding.
They'll throw Georgia under the bus.
I guess she thinks it's outstanding.
They are set to unlock 10 billion euros
in investment for growth, recovery and reconstruction of
Ukraine.
Yeah.

(01:17:29):
The war is not even over.
This is what puzzles me.
It's like, did they already have the room
booked?
Like, well, it was supposed to be over
by now.
What are we going to do?
We got this.
We got the ballroom like we might as
well.
And we will ensure that Ukraine is supported
until 2028 and beyond when the new European

(01:17:53):
budget kicks in.
Ukraine stands ready to proceed with the next
step on the accession path.
Ukraine is delivering on its reforms.
Now we must too, because the accession process
is based on merits and Ukraine merits moving
forward.
The commission is very clear.

(01:18:13):
Ukraine is ready to open cluster one, the
fundamentals cluster.
Cluster one.
I don't even know what that is, but
we're ready.
It was like phase one.
Yeah.
Now we have to act to move forward
for millions of Ukrainians, soldiers, teachers, doctors, farmers,
you name it, you name it for Ukrainians

(01:18:33):
from all walks of life.
And for them, the future has two flags.
The flags of Ukraine and the pride flag
and the flags of Europe.
This recovery conference is all about bringing Ukraine
and its future to Europe and Ukraine's future

(01:18:55):
is in Europe.
Let's make it happen together.
Slava Ukraine, long live Europe.
There you go.
We're going to make it happen.
Now, how is this going to happen?
Because in the meantime, we have all kinds
of stuff going on with weapons, which we're
not giving, by the way, we're selling the
weapons.
And I was blown away.

(01:19:16):
I this this is a by the way,
she did use the word grant in there,
if you noticed.
Yeah, of course.
Ten billion worth of grants, whatever.
I thought this was a European gambit, but
now we're trying to take away the money.
We go now to Congressman French Hill.
He is the chair of the House Financial
Services Committee.
Welcome back to the broadcast.

(01:19:38):
Your ears must have been ringing with the
two senators who started the program because they
were talking about grabbing some of those frozen
Russian assets.
You moved a bill and gave the president
authority to actually seize them during the last
administration under the Repo Act.
The US has never before seized central bank

(01:19:59):
assets from another country.
Do you know if the Treasury Department is
going to do so now?
This guy's real energetic.
Well, Margaret, it's good to be with you.
Yes, I certainly worked very hard with former
foreign affairs chairman Mike McCaul and others to
put that in our 2020 military industrial complex
guy for national security package during the Biden

(01:20:22):
administration because we wanted another arrow in the
quiver for the to not just seize those
assets, but to convert them to the benefit
of Ukraine.
But we could never get consensus between the
United States and Europe for doing that, despite
a unanimous vote of the Council of the
Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe supporting

(01:20:42):
it.
So I continue to urge President Biden to
do that.
We got the interest off those frozen assets
to benefit Ukraine.
But I think it's time for the president
to convert those seized assets to a trust
account for the benefit of Ukraine.
I'm glad to hear both Senators Blumenthal and
Graham support that idea.
It's time to do it.

(01:21:03):
And I've encouraged Secretary Besant that this should
be a priority for President Trump.
This is not a good idea.
No, this is illegal and not a good
idea.
So it's illegal.
So let's go back in time and listen
to our conversation with Lindy Hop Lady G.
G.
Graham, who is all in on this idea.
Russia's escalating.

(01:21:24):
They're not ending this war in Ukraine.
NATO Secretary General is going to be here
in Washington this week and will be meeting
with President Trump, who is, according to our
reporting, considering fresh funding for Ukraine.
That would be the first time since he's
taken office.
What do you know about what is coming?

(01:21:44):
Yeah, he's a source.
Well, I don't want to get ahead of
the president, but I'm having dinner along with
Senator Blumenthal and other senators.
That should be a fun one.
Wouldn't you like to sit at that table
with Blumenthal and Lady G.?
With Secretary General Mark Rutte tomorrow night.

(01:22:04):
A turning point regarding Russia invasion of Ukraine
is coming.
For months, President Trump has tried to entice
Putin to the peace table.
He's put tariffs against countries that allow fentanyl
to come in our country.
Other bad behavior.
He's left the door open regarding Russia.
That door is about to close.

(01:22:25):
Dick and I have got 85 co-sponsors
of the United States Senate for congressional sanctions
with a sledgehammer available to President Trump to
go after Putin's economy and all those countries
who prop up the Putin war machine.
China, India, and Brazil buy oil and petroleum
products and other goods from Russia.

(01:22:46):
That's the money Putin uses is to prosecute
the war.
And this congressional package that we're looking at
would give President Trump the ability to impose
500% tariff on any country that helps
Russia and props up Putin's war machine.
He can dial it up or down.
He can go to zero to 500.
He has maximum flexibility.

(01:23:08):
But we're going after the people who keep
Putin in business and additional sanctions on Russia
itself.
This is truly a sledgehammer available to President
Trump to end this war.
Doesn't he have that already?
Why does he need some kind of congressional
approval about 500% tariffs?

(01:23:28):
That's a good question.
The whole thing looks like it looks like
a lot of smoke and mirrors and showboating.
Yeah, I think he goes more detail here.
I want to ask you on the battlefield
and when it comes to weapons, CBS's Jim
Laporta has learned a recent defense intelligence assessment
shows Ukraine's shortfall in artillery and in drones

(01:23:51):
will lead to marked Russian territorial gains in
2026, with Russia gaining seven to one firepower
superiority by this winter.
How can you get them what they need
if Congress will not approve in the House
any new funding?
Well, just stay tuned for tomorrow's announcement.

(01:24:11):
The idea of America selling weapons to help
Ukraine is very much in play.
There we go.
No sooner is the NATO money in than
we're selling it.
Yeah, baby, you can buy it from us
to protect your country.
We've given Ukraine a lot.
We've given them money.

(01:24:32):
We give them military aid.
We now have a minerals agreement with Ukraine
that's worth trillions of dollars.
So I don't want to get ahead of
the president.
But stay tuned about these assets.
This would be very bad.
But, you know, Lindy Hop is making it
sound like it's a done deal, like we're

(01:24:52):
going to now seize.
Oh, he always does that.
This guy is a shallow.
It's not necessarily a done deal.
The thing about the minerals is now backfiring
because of the Wyoming poll.
Yeah, which is now I don't have a
clip again.
But Wyoming, they, you know, they open up

(01:25:13):
a big rare earths minerals mine in Wyoming,
which has got, I guess, as much as
you need in the entire world, especially to
some of these, you know, these superstar rare
earths that are using high energy magnets.
It's very important.
Yeah.
What we need is we need some kids
to go and mine that with their bare
hands.
Actually, the problem is besides that, it's the

(01:25:36):
problem is the refining.
They talk about, oh, yeah, we can dig
it out.
Then what?
The Chinese do all the refining.
I can't even imagine what that facility looks
like.
One last clip from Europe because we're now
changing NATO into NIPTO.
That should be the new name.

(01:25:56):
The North Indo-Pacific Treaty Organization.
NIPTO, because it's not just about NATO.
It's about NIPTO.
Our working assumption is the following.
That indeed, as we see, China is rapidly
building up its armed forces.
They have now more ships sailing than the
US.
They will have another 100 ships sailing by

(01:26:18):
2030.
They have now 1,000 nuclear warheads.
This is not to organize parades in Beijing.
Oh, this is a joke you make here
about the parades.
This is to kill everybody in the world.
This is indeed to use, to make use
of this.
We know the ambition China has, which is
to somehow get control over Taiwan.
It's all about Taiwan.

(01:26:38):
They need 1,000 nuclear warheads to get
control over Taiwan.
The assumption is, based on many discussions we've
had, and of course what we know from
our sources, that the risk is increasingly there.
That Xi Jinping, the president of China and
general secretary of the Communist Party, before he
would attack Taiwan, will first make a call

(01:27:00):
into Moscow.
His very junior partner in all of this.
His junior partner.
He first makes a call to Moscow to
his very junior partner.
One Vladimir, Vladimir Putin, to ask him to
keep us busy in this part of Europe.
Oh, it is a distraction.
So you keep us busy here in this
part of Europe, and then you take Taiwan.
I know what it's looking.

(01:27:20):
Look over here, there's nothing to see here.
This shows you that the transatlantic and the
Indo-Pacific are getting more and more intertwined,
already through North Korea participating in the war
of aggression against Japan on the Russian side,
including China, with thanks and circumvention, and with
dual-use goods delivered into Russia, supporting Russia's

(01:27:41):
war effort.
Here's some refrigerators.
You can use those motors for war.
In Ukraine, and of course Iran, with its
drone technology.
I thought Iran's drone technology, I thought they
only had like moped engines.
They have better stuff?
No, we had a whole bunch of clips

(01:28:02):
replayed about a month ago.
Oh, you're right.
Yeah, they do have some drone technology.
In Ukraine, and of course Iran, with its
drone technology.
So this is all getting more and more
interconnected, and therefore, and it has been some
of your own German, very senior generals predicting
that three, five, seven years from now, three
years is today, five years is next week,

(01:28:24):
seven years is next month.
Wait a minute.
Three years is today, five years is next
week, seven years is next month.
Don't you get it?
Russia might be able to mount a full
-scale attack on NATO territory.
And this is why, exactly as the chancellor
was saying, we are not doing the 5
% and the 3.5% core spending
to make one person happy.

(01:28:44):
No.
Great that we equalize with the US.
One person happy, not just for Donald Trump.
It closes the debate we had for years.
But we do this because we know the
threat is there.
It's real.
A threat against the US, a threat against
Canada, a threat against the European allies.
Everybody, everybody.
We need to spend more on defense.
If anyone wants a world war, it's this
guy.

(01:29:05):
He's the one.
I don't know that he wants anything.
Well, he wants to make Donald happy.
Yes, that's for sure.
I want to make Donald very, very happy.
That's military-industrial complex.
Oh, be very afraid because if we don't
have enough, then we're going to be suffering.

(01:29:28):
And then while we're suffering, then boom, they
take Taiwan.
And then we're all going to be in
a world war.
Well, here's a question.
This is another thing that never comes up
in the conversation.
Now, that guy that does uncommon knowledge had
a long discussion with a Dutchman who lived
and spent most of his time in China.
I think his name is Dichter.

(01:29:48):
I have to get his name.
Very expert on China.
And he thinks most of the China information
is BS.
He thinks they're not as well-off as
they say they are.
There's not as many people as they say
they are.
And he has all this documentation for it.
But one of the things he does point
out is that the Chinese real prosperity began

(01:30:09):
when they joined the WTO.
And so I'll go along with that.
And so if the Chinese take Taiwan, why
can't we just kick them out of the
WTO?
And that's the end of it.
Because China relies on the WTO, the World
Trade Organization, so it can work internationally and

(01:30:30):
totally kick ass and take over a lot
of markets and do what it does.
And you kick them out of the WTO.
Exactly.
So China, you take Taiwan, you're out.
We're their customer.
They're not going to do anything without us.
This whole Taiwan thing is a red herring.
Yes, it's a red herring for the military
-industrial complex.

(01:30:52):
And you know the Jews are behind it,
just so you know.
Oh yeah, those Jews.
They want war in China.
Yeah, because they got nothing better to do.
Oops.
Well, no, I was a pregnant pause.
I was waiting for you to follow up.

(01:31:15):
I'm like, maybe do some China stuff.
You seem to have China clips.
I don't know.
Do I have China clips?
You got Falun Gong clips.
Oh, yeah.
Let's listen to this.
Well, if it's no good, then why should
we listen to it?
It brings a point that I brought up
earlier in the show, and you kind of
brought it up.

(01:31:36):
This has become an issue with me, which
is why?
Why is this going on?
It's never, ever.
What is the thing with Falun Gong?
What is it?
Why do the Chinese hate it so much?
That they're tracking people down, and they're grabbing
you if you're Falun Gong, and they're throwing
you in a gulag, and then they're taking

(01:31:57):
your liver.
I mean, why?
It's kidneys.
I don't think it's liver.
It's kidneys.
Okay, kidneys.
They're taking the kidneys.
Let's listen to the show.
So NTD brings on a Falun.
This is supposed to be a report on
the CCP, and it's kind of sneaking around
and doing stuff in the United States.
Nasty.
And disrupting our academic system.

(01:32:19):
Wait a minute.
Isn't Falun Gong, weren't they a religious outfit?
And they got roused?
About 10 years ago, we did a whole
thing, exposition on the Falun.
It was a whole group of these meditation
techniques that showed up in China for some
reason out of the blue.
And there was a bunch of them.
And Falun Gong, the one of them, which
has also been renamed something else, and I

(01:32:41):
keep forgetting the new name.
And they always say, when they say it,
they always say, it's a spiritual ballad.
They always have some little ditty, some little
subtext.
They always have to say with it.
It's almost like when you say Muhammad, if
you're Muslim, you always have to say, peace
be upon him.
Falun Dafa.
And then if you write it out, it's
Muhammad, then you P-B-U-H.

(01:33:01):
You see that a lot in text.
So it's like something you have to do.
And so they always say something about Falun.
When they mention Falun Gong, they always say,
well, it's a spiritual blah, blah, blah.
But is it Falun Dafa?
Is that the new name?
Maybe.
It's something like that.
It could be.
But whatever the case, it's like, what is

(01:33:21):
the real reason?
There's something that we are not being told.
And you'd listen to this report and it
still doesn't get.
We just don't find out.
Let's listen.
Subverting America from within.
For decades, the Chinese Communist Party has systematically
infiltrated our political systems, businesses and institutions.
Now it's carrying out a test run for

(01:33:43):
how Beijing can influence or even dictate what
we can do and what we believe.
Joining us now to discuss his upcoming special
report is Steve Lance, NTD's Washington, D.C.
Bureau chief, host of NTD's Capital Report and
chief political correspondent, Steve Lance.
Great to see you.
Thanks for joining us.
Now you have a special report coming out
about the Chinese Communist Party's covert war within

(01:34:04):
the U.S. There's so much to unpack
here.
What's the bottom line?
Well, thanks for having me back with you,
Tiff.
The bottom line is it is a very
complex, covert operation that is stemming from Beijing
against a particular persecuted group inside of China
who is also based here in the United

(01:34:25):
States.
And it is the Falun Gong spiritual movement.
And to understand what they're doing, you also
have to understand what Falun Gong is.
Now, Falun Gong is a spiritual practice that
was widely embraced inside of China during the
1990s.
It grew in rapid numbers.
The CCP's own internal estimate was that roughly

(01:34:49):
70 to 100 million people were practicing this.
And because of its rapid population and rapid
spread, the CCP then in 1999 launched a
widespread nationwide persecution.
And what they did was they rounded people
up.
They put them in forced labor camps.

(01:35:10):
They tortured them.
They murdered them.
They killed them.
And eventually this even evolved into organ harvesting.
You may have heard about that.
But along with this came a vast amount
of propaganda, how they labeled it as an
evil cult.
They say that practitioners kill themselves.
One of the directives was to really defame

(01:35:33):
this group inside of China so that they
would lose credibility.
Shen Yun?
Oh, that's the dance troupe.
The Shen Yun dancers, yes.
I think they're on tour with Beyonce now,
I believe.
They're all over the place.
They're apparently very good.
But the point is that it starts off,
she says, Chinese influence in the United States.

(01:35:55):
And I'm thinking, well, now they're going to
get into all kinds of interesting stuff.
And it switches immediately to Falun Gong.
It doesn't even, they're not going to talk
about anything else now.
Well, then why should we listen?
Is it worth listening to?
Well, no, it's because it's the way they
keep beating around the bush about why?
Explain to me.
And I want somebody out there that can

(01:36:15):
explain it to me.
What specifically do the Chinese, the CCP in
particular, have against Falun Gong?
Is it the same thing they have against
Christians or Buddhists or Confucianism or whatever?
Is it just because it's anything outside the,
just a little bit veering from the straight
communism?
I mean, it's just, it makes no sense

(01:36:38):
to me that they're this adamant that they're
sending tons of Chinese spooks to the United
States only to track down the Falun Gong.
What you have now.
Go play, play.
What you have now is the Falun Gong
diaspora around the world, particularly in the United
States, has set up different organizations, media organizations,

(01:37:02):
a performing arts group called Shen Yun Performing
Arts to get the word out about this
persecution because it was very, in large part,
widely underreported.
And so now as the world's people are
starting to understand what Falun Gong is and
that the Chinese Communist Party is persecuting this
peaceful group overseas, this is starting to get

(01:37:25):
out.
And so the Chinese Communist Party is really
set on silencing this group of Falun Dafa
practitioners, Falun Gong practitioners in the United States
who are operating these media groups like the
Epoch Times and also the founders of NTD
television, as well as Shen Yun, because they've

(01:37:46):
been so effective at getting the truth out
about the Chinese Communist Party's crimes against humanity,
really against this group of people.
I guess that's the reason they just don't
like the media exposure they have, I guess.
Oh, the giant media exposure of NTD.
Excuse me.
NTD has been featured on this podcast for

(01:38:07):
over a decade as if it's the real
deal.
Yes, I'm the only one.
The Chinese should send up some cash.
I'll stop doing it.
Epoch Times.
Oh, everyone subscribes to that.
You should probably look out your window.
I mean, before you know it, there's going
to be a van driving by.
Nobody's driving by.
The point is that this is bull crap.

(01:38:31):
I just do not understand it.
And I try and try, and I listen
to this stuff, and they never get to
the bottom of it.
They always go on about Falun Gong, and
it's great because, you know, they have a
dance troupe, and oh, my God.
And they're peaceful.
Peaceful protesters.
And they're peaceful, and they're spiritual somehow, and
we don't know why.
Yes, very spiritual.

(01:38:51):
And by the way, there used to be
a group of them.
We have a consulate here in San Francisco,
which is kind of an interesting place, because
I went to it when I first went
to China back in the 90s.
And then I went.
It used to be just a hole in
the wall in terms of the office to
get a visa because nobody was in there.
And now it's like, take a number.

(01:39:14):
And there used to be a group of
Falun Gongists out front, and they just stand
there for hours on end, staring at the
building, trying to levitate it, I think.
Well, we have a lot of producers out
there.
Maybe they can help us out and understand
this mystery.
So do you think they're going to get
to the bottom of it?
Now, I'm on clip three, so let's play

(01:39:35):
that.
And these aren't that long, so it's not
too bad.
Why is this such a concern for the
Chinese regime?
Why have they invested so many resources to
silence this group outside of China?
Well, when you really go back to sometimes
we just buzz by certain points here, but
when you really unpack forced live organ harvesting,
and when you really think about the gravity

(01:39:57):
of this crime, this isn't just like a
few rogue individuals in the government or, you
know, a few bad apples on the black
market.
This is state run.
This is happening at scale, at the highest
levels of the Chinese Communist Party.
Military hospitals are directing this.
And when you really understand what is taking

(01:40:19):
place, you're up these peaceful, spiritual, religious believers
that believe in truthfulness, compassion and forbearance.
Those are the three core tenants of Falun
Gong.
You know, there may be just more behind
Falun Gong on our side, just to make
the Chinese look bad, to keep it, you
know, to keep this story alive, that at

(01:40:41):
the state level, they're harvesting organs, you know,
Xi Jinping just got a new heart.
Something like that.
What else could it be?
They're being kidnapped.
They're being taken to these military hospitals.
Their organs are then extracted and sold for
thousands of dollars around the world.

(01:41:03):
People come in, they call it transplant tourism
inside of China.
The bodies are then cremated.
They destroy the evidence, essentially, so there's no
trace of it.
And then when the family comes, they say,
oh, we didn't have space.
You know, we didn't have space.
Here's the ashes.
They cremate the body or they tell them
that they committed suicide.
The list really goes on.

(01:41:23):
But this is happening at scale.
So if the world's people really find out
about this crime and hold the Chinese Communist
Party accountable, the CCP is really only sustained
and legitimized because people don't understand these human
rights abuses.
And so the Falun Gong community overseas has

(01:41:44):
been really the most effective at bringing these
atrocities to light.
It seems like we have an answer.
Is this bad PR?
Falun Gong is bad PR.
They're talking about our organ harvesting.
I mean, that's an offense.

(01:42:06):
It just seems like they're sending agents over
all over the world to track down the
Chinese dissidents.
But that's what I thought was just Chinese
dissidents that they're after.
But no, no, no.
It's Falun Gong specifically.
And there's something amiss with this story.
I think this is the last clip of

(01:42:27):
it.
Thank God.
And Steve, one of the most concerning aspects
of the Chinese regime's campaign is the CCP's
focus on actually U.S. federal agencies.
What is the strategy and what are the
larger implications here?
Yeah, exactly.
So that's where it gets a little bit
complicated.
There was a directive that came out of
Beijing from the highest levels, Xi Jinping, that

(01:42:47):
was targeting U.S. media institutions, and they
basically planted a few different stories or tried
to through their various agents and operations to
really go after the Shen Yun performing arts.
And some of the things that they've done
is they've mobilized these people to influence former

(01:43:09):
dancers who may have been cut loose from
Shen Yun.
It's a very top tier performing arts company
where not everybody makes the cut.
So people get cut and eventually they may
have ties in China and they start to
get influenced.
And there's a nexus between some of these
former dancers who have left Shen Yun and

(01:43:30):
Beijing, and they have since filed different lawsuits.
Anybody can file a lawsuit in the United
States.
You don't even have to be a citizen.
And so we're seeing civil lawsuits being filed
against this group from people who are closely
tied to Beijing.
And then what you have is once these

(01:43:51):
lawsuits are filed, some Western media, specifically the
New York Times, is writing about these lawsuits.
Now, nothing has been adjudicated.
Everything is still in process.
And the evidence hasn't come out, but the
damage has already been done, Tiff.

(01:44:11):
Okay.
So these lawsuits are filed, and then the
New York Times will publish an article as
if it's law.
And they use very creative and crafty ways
to sort of misguide the reader.
To me, it just seems like they just
want to control PR.
That's what they do in their own country.
They control it all.
I'm expecting a report on the Chinese buying

(01:44:34):
land outside of the bases.
I'm expecting a report about the Chinese suing
the environmental organizations to get them so they
would stop us using fossil fuel.
Here's what you could do.
You could stop watching NTD, but it won't
bother you so much.
And then what I get is this Falun

(01:44:55):
Gong, Falun Gong, Falun Gong stuff.
It just baffles me.
Yeah, me too.
But it's like everything else that's never explained.
Breaking news.
When we come back here tonight, the new
drug just approved by the FDA for your
dog.
Oh, okay.

(01:45:15):
Wait a minute.
They're breaking news.
That was David Muir, ABC breaking news about
a dog drug.
Here we go.
The FDA this evening approving a long acting
drug to protect dogs against fleas and ticks.
Real promise here.
The drug Prevecto Quantum is given by.
They pay for this ad.
Well, it's very short.
This is a new category of advertising.

(01:45:37):
Breaking news.
So we have the teaser is four seconds.
dog.
And then the actual story is 17 seconds.
The FDA this evening approving a long acting
drug to protect dogs against fleas and ticks.
Real promise here.
The drug Prevecto Quantum is given by injection.
It must be prescribed by a licensed veterinarian.

(01:45:58):
Potential side effects could include muscle tremors and
seizures.
They say this new drug offers protection for
up to a full year.
They're eating the dogs.
So your dog might get a seizure and
die, but he won't have fleas.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah, I must have a couple of TikTok
videos.

(01:46:20):
Really?
Okay.
All right.
Really?
Really?
Well, we can talk about stable coin.
Oh, let's do this.
Talk about stable coin.
You don't have anything on stable.
I have something on stable coin.
Okay, play it.
Actually do.
I'm amenable.
I don't care.
Okay.
Well, the numbers go down.
No, no, no, no.
You are wrong.

(01:46:45):
Margaret Brennan.
This is from this morning.
Now, first to get to stable coin, we
have to first talk about Jerome Powell, our
Fed chair.
What have you got?
What have you in a horse?
DH unplugged every Tuesday.
Horowitz released on Wednesday.
I'm trying to plug DH unplugged here.
I'm plugging the unplugged.

(01:47:05):
DH unplugged.
Have you talked about the replacement of Jay
Powell?
No, this is fairly new.
This came after the last show.
Oh, okay.
Well, it's been ongoing for a while.
Nobody expected him to.
Now there's rumors that he might resign because
he's just sick of it and being hounded

(01:47:27):
by Trump.
Hey, you spent too much on the building,
man.
Because you have some oversight in the financial
space, I want to ask you about comments
made in regard to Fed chair Jerome Powell.
The president says the economy is in good
shape, but he still complains about that.
The head of the Central Bank says he's
doing a terrible job because he's not lowering
interest rates on another network today.

(01:47:49):
The president's top economic advisor said the White
House is looking into whether the president has
the authority to fire chair Powell.
Do you believe the president has the power
and authority to fire the Fed president?
This is Congressman French Hill being asked this
question.
You know, Margaret, I don't.
And I believe President Trump has spoken about

(01:48:10):
this several times over the past two years,
including recently, Mr. Powell's governorship, his chairmanship is
up next spring.
The president has vacancies coming up on the
Fed board where he could name another governor.
But look, just because Congress created the Fed

(01:48:31):
and that we believe that it should be
independent in the setting of monetary policy.
It doesn't mean that it's immune from criticism.
And every president since World War II has
had choice words for the Fed chair when
they've not been in sync with the direction
of the president.
So look, the Congress continues to do oversight.
I set up a special task force to

(01:48:52):
oversee the Fed's decision making since the 2008
financial crisis.
We have that investigation, review and oversight underway,
and we'll continue it.
So from what I understand, the only issue
here is President Trump wants the interest rate
lowered so he can refinance the country.
You tricked me.

(01:49:13):
What do you mean?
Stablecoin is next.
I didn't trick you.
But I want to ask you a question.
Is because you know this better than I
do.
Can we just can we just lower the
interest rate to refire the country?
Isn't that just a good idea?
Is that a bad idea at this point?
Actually, you can make the argument the opposite
is true.
OK.

(01:49:34):
And it used to always be the idea
was you get high inflation and you rack
up the you make inflation so high that
you can pay off the debt with cheap
dollars.
In other words, you devalue the dollar to
such an extent because the debt is in
dollars.
It's not in a flow.
It's not floating.
Right now.
But we have to we have to borrow
money to pay it back.

(01:49:56):
So you want to borrow at a lower
interest rate.
We don't have the money.
Yeah, you want to borrow at the lowest
interest rate you can.
But the way but if you can pay
back in cheap dollars, it's the same thing.
There's nothing.
Just it's a it's a wash one way
or the other.
This is not going to help anything.
OK.
Stablecoin.
The idea is what Trump's idea is to

(01:50:18):
get the I don't think it's for refinancing
or or any.
That's what he says.
No, it is.
But I think it's really to crank up
the economy because if everything gets, you know,
you get cheaper.
Yeah.
You know, 2 percent interest rate.
People are going to be borrowing more money.
They're going to be starting more businesses.
They're going to be hiring more people.
And everybody's going to be happy.
And you get people buying more houses and
the prices are going to go up and

(01:50:39):
blah, blah, blah.
OK, well, it sounds like a good idea.
Yeah, it does sound like a good idea.
But the way the Fed sees it is
that, well, you haven't proven anything yet with
the tariff threats.
And until that settles down, we I saw
we had a surplus at the U.S.
Treasury for the first time in years because

(01:50:59):
of the tariff money.
So I think that's bogus.
The answer is still stablecoin.
I think you'd acknowledge that most presidents might
have those choice words behind closed doors, not
on social media posts on a regular basis,
Congressman.
But on crypto, I want to ask you,

(01:51:20):
crypto has been Wild West, right?
Because they don't have the same kind of
regulation.
Wild West.
The digital assets space that there does exist
for banks and financial services.
You've got a few measures coming up this
week.
How do you make sure as you put
these regulations in place that kind of help

(01:51:41):
crypto become mainstream, that it doesn't also benefit
some of those on the black market, for
example, who use this to evade oversight?
She is so dumb.
But okay, Frenchy, go ahead.
Well, in the work in the Senate led
by Bill Hagerty and Tim Scott and Cynthia
Lummis on the Genius Act to create a

(01:52:04):
dollar-backed stablecoin, we've heavily influenced that legislation
over the two years of previous work by
the House and our Clarity Act, which sets
up the rules of the road for what's
a commodity, what's a security, how to use
digital assets, how to store them, how to
custody of them.
These are the rules that will protect consumers,
will limit access to our market and our

(01:52:26):
investors from entities outside the United States trying
to influence the crypto markets.
We have none of that today.
What we've had is a mismatch of rules
by enforcement in the Biden administration.
And I believe the bills we'll have on
the House floor this week will protect investors,
consumers, and make America, as President Trump wants,

(01:52:48):
a leader in financial technology and crypto and
digital assets innovation.
So stablecoin is happening and it's totally going
to be what we talked about, what you
claim we chased our entire audience away with.
But of course, the most spectacular story of
the week is just passing $119,000 a

(01:53:11):
coin is Bitcoin.
But you know, sir, that the concern is
that this is the patina of protection of
consumers without actual muscle behind it.
It was interesting to see, and many Americans
who hold mortgages might have noticed that Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac will buy and sell
mortgages.
The head of the agency, the Federal Housing

(01:53:32):
Agency, Bill Pulte, told them they'll have to
prepare a proposal to review crypto as an
asset on mortgage applications.
Yeah.
Given the huge taxpayer stake in Fannie and
Freddie, are you comfortable with people using crypto,
something that isn't really, you know, tangible in
many ways to pay for a down payment

(01:53:53):
on the house?
It's not tangible, this crypto.
What do you think?
Well, look at Bitcoin, for example.
One can now buy Bitcoin.
It is a commodity.
It's been determined that it's a commodity by
the CFTC and the SEC.
One can hold it in their brokerage account
through an exchange traded product, an ETF, ETP.

(01:54:14):
It's now an asset for millions of Americans.
And it certainly could be treated like a
stock or a bond or cash as a
contribution to someone's net worth to qualify for
a mortgage.
And if we pass clarity this week, which
I expect we will on a bipartisan basis,
and we craft a dollar back stable coin

(01:54:37):
like genius offered by Senator Hagerty, we'll have
the rules of the road.
It won't be a patina of consumer enforcement.
It will be real consumer enforcement, investor protection
and a down payment for the CFTC, the
SEC and the bank and the bank regulators.
Yes.
Yes.
Down payment.
Remember when we called it Beanie Babies?

(01:55:00):
Boy, were we dumb.
I still call it that.
Because I told you you should get someone
who was 40,000.
You still wouldn't listen to me.
I should have bought.
You're right.
I should have bought Nvidia at that same
point in time.
I can't wait to listen.
I would have tripled my money.
I can't.
Well, I can't wait.
Can't wait to hear Horowitz say that Bitcoin's

(01:55:23):
price is going up because of Nvidia.
That seems to be the Wall Street.
I haven't heard this.
Oh, it's everywhere.
Oh, yeah.
It's helped by Nvidia, I guess, for some
reason.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't believe it's true, but it's.
Nvidia's got their own balloon full of hot

(01:55:44):
air.
They don't need it more.
That thing is amazing.
Four trillion dollars worth.
Four trillion dollars.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
That's a good one.
That is a very good one.
Yeah.
For a chatbot.
For a bunch of chatbots, man.
The guy has got something going on.

(01:56:07):
Yeah.
A bad jacket.
Let's do these clips on Harvard.
This is kind of interesting.
I've always believed that there's something underfoot here.
It's an idle threat that I think has
got to freak these universities out, which is
go after their accreditation.
The Department of Homeland Security says they're issuing
subpoenas to Harvard to force them to comply

(01:56:30):
with multiple requests for, quote, relevant information concerning
foreign students.
A statement from the DHS says the move
comes after the university repeatedly refused past non
-coercive requests to hand over the required information
for its student visitor and exchange program certification.
DHS Secretary Kristi Noem says if Harvard won't

(01:56:53):
defend the interest of its students, then we
will.
We tried to do things the easy way
with Harvard.
Now, through their refusal to cooperate, we have
to do things the hard way.
Harvard, like other universities, has allowed foreign students
to abuse their visa privileges and advocate for
violence and terrorism on campus.
In response, Harvard told The Hill that Harvard

(01:57:14):
is committed to following the law, and while
the government's subpoenas are unwarranted, the university will
continue to cooperate with lawful requests and obligations.
The administration's ongoing retaliatory actions come as Harvard
continues to defend itself and its students, faculty,
and staff against harmful government overreach aimed at
dictating whom private universities can admit and hire

(01:57:38):
and what they can teach.
In addition to the DHS subpoenas, the Department
of Education and the Department of Health and
Human Services notifies Harvard's accreditor that the Ivy
League University might be in violation of anti
-discrimination laws, citing campus anti-Semitism.
Well, the anti-Semitism part is bullcrap when

(01:57:58):
it comes to DEI, but for sure they've
discriminated against students.
Oh yeah, the Chinese in particular.
Asians, yeah.
Asian Americans, of course.
Yeah.
Yeah, the lawsuit was settled and it was
proven and they still haven't changed anything.
And the fact that they get so high
and mighty about being private, private, private, and

(01:58:19):
while fighting not getting government money.
Where's my $400 million, baby?
Where's our money?
Where's our money?
We're private.
Give us more money.
This is, this makes no sense.
Harvard is, this is hubris taken to an
extreme.
These guys, why are you doing this?
Just, you know, I don't get it personally.

(01:58:40):
Well, you know why?
It's because Epstein went to Harvard, so there's
probably something in the Epstein files.
Probably something.
That's exactly it.
Yeah.
Is there a part two to that clip
or is that it?
No, there is a part two right here.
Department of Education Secretary Linda McMahon says accreditors
have a responsibility to ensure institutions are upholding
academic integrity and campus safety and culture.

(01:59:03):
The Trump administration says they're currently in talks
with Harvard.
President Trump says he's optimistic.
Yeah, they'll absolutely reach a deal.
The notice comes nine days after the Trump
administration's task force to combat anti-Semitism sent
a letter to Harvard telling them that their
federal funding is at risk because the school
allegedly violated their Jewish students' civil rights.

(01:59:26):
But again, federal, why, federal funding for what?
Research.
Research.
They can get money from, how about the
money, how about getting money for, from whom
the research benefit, from who the, there are
people that, I'm trying to put the sentence
together.
There's a, there's a beneficiary of the research.

(01:59:49):
It's called industry.
It's called the pharma companies.
They have tons of money.
They make, some of them make 10 or
$20 billion a year in net profits.
Why aren't they research, giving them the money?
Why is, why is the taxpayer paying for
research that benefits Pfizer?
I explained this to me.
I disagree.
Without research money going to Harvard, we wouldn't

(02:00:12):
have this.
dog.
I'm telling you, without that, our defido would
be dead.
I really don't know.
That is, I don't know.
It's a, it seems personal to me, you
know, COVID shots.
I don't know.
I don't know.

(02:00:32):
Johns Hopkins.
Do they get money to Johns Hopkins?
Oh yeah.
They're spooks.
Yeah.
The whole thing is Johns Hopkins loaded.
Well, we're not answering any questions here, but
I do in that, in that vein have
more sources, sources about Columbia university.
Columbia university may be close to a deal

(02:00:52):
with the Trump administration to restore its federal
funding.
Sources say the deal would help the school
regain access to more than $400 million in
federal funding.
The Trump administration pulled that money over anti
-Israel pro-Palestinian protests on campus.
Meanwhile, Columbia is expected to pay a multimillion
dollar settlement to victims of alleged civil rights

(02:01:15):
violations and implement changes to its diversity, equity,
and inclusion policies.
The agreement would also include improving campus security
for Jewish students and boosting transparency about hiring
and admissions.
It's clear he's doing it because he's on
the Epstein list and the, and Israel is
telling him to do it.

(02:01:35):
It's obvious.
I don't see how it's so hard for
you to just understand that.
Yeah, I don't know.
I lost with that.
I want to thank you for your courage
in the morning to you.
The man who put the sea in the
cluster one, say hello to my friend on
the other end.
The one, the only Mr. Yeah.

(02:02:00):
Well, in the morning, you, Mr. I'm Korean
morning.
Our ships, the sea boots and ref in
the air subs in the water and the
dames and morning to the trolls in the
troll room.
He counts you for 25, 14 today at
the peak.
That's nice.
25, 14.
That is, that's above average, right?

(02:02:21):
Well, it used to be average, but now
it's above average because our average is currently
24 on Sunday.
So it's above average then.
Hello trolls.
They are in the troll room.
They're in the troll room at troll room
.io, or they may be listening on a
modern podcast app, which gives you the bat
signal.
When we go live, actually fired it off
late.
Sorry about that.

(02:02:41):
My mistake.
So if you're mad, don't worry, because when
it comes out as a podcast, you'll be
notified within within 90 seconds.
That's why you want to use something from
podcastapps.com.
We are value for value.
The only way that we gain and garner
any income is through your time, your talent,

(02:03:03):
your treasure, because saving money is also a
good way for us to create a better
product for you without spending money on thousands
of producers.
That's how we know that this chat GPT
conversation thing is real.
That's how we know a lot of things.
That's how we get all kinds of information.

(02:03:24):
That is the oldest joke in the world
at this point.
You always chuckle.
If you stopped chuckling, I wouldn't do it.
Okay.
I will no longer chuckle at your dumb
joke.
It's not a joke.
It's it's kind of a bit.
The joke implies a story.
It's a bit.
It's told with a punchline.
It's instead of that.
See, I didn't chuckle.

(02:03:44):
It's a bit time, talent or treasure, which
means we accept any of any of the
above.
And of course, we love our prompt jockeys
can't call them artists anymore who bring us
artwork for every single episode.
I'm getting pushback now on on some of
these people like, oh, I'm tired of the
art anymore.

(02:04:05):
But I kind of like the one that
who did this for episode 1780.
That's the one I did from New York.
We titled it chat box and the art
was by digital.
Oh, I actually made a mistake.
I wrote down digital to one to man.
But of course, it should have been digital
2112 man.
Sorry.
And this was this was we thought it

(02:04:26):
was funny.
It was Pam Bondi ripping up the Epstein
list.
If it had been done by a real
artist, we probably would have chosen that.
It just shows you need a good idea.
And of course, you don't need a lot
of talent anymore to get it out of
the out of the eye.
And there it is.
Man, just look at the page of knowledge
and art generator dot com.

(02:04:47):
Everything has everything and I was the same
orange.
We're going to be orange.
I'm looking at the page right now.
And there's a good example is measles.
Everything is orange.
Everything and Barbie.
Lolita Express.
Pots.
Bongino AI.
There's a bunch of them.
They have this orange tinge.
The whole every whole artwork is tinged.

(02:05:09):
It's like tin.
There's like a tinge problem.
But even if you go down and look
at, you know, from two shows ago, everything
I see.
Streets is another one.
It's brand new.
It's all it's all tinge.
It's all orange.
Yeah, this is and you should not get
enough to put in.
Don't make it orange.
Joe Bob.
Yes.
Joe Bob is Lolita Express.

(02:05:31):
Everything orange.
It's it actually is kind of awkward.
Now, I will orange that Bongino orange.
Now we went for obvious lowbrow reasons.
We went with the Pam Bondi ripping up
the Epstein list because, but come on, everyone
was talking about it.
That's why we went with it.
But the one that we both laughed at

(02:05:51):
and like the most.
Without a doubt was the Holland five.
Yes, you did.
Which is a new band that the John
just made up the Holland five.
And it was a funny piece.
But it was like a bunch of bunch
of stereotypical, which I've never seen a Dutch

(02:06:13):
person dress like this.
But you know, that's a very traditional dress.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, completely.
It looks like it's silly.
It's like it's like the Lederhosen Germans.
No, it's the Dutch have a very time
in terms of it's being a stereotype.
Yeah.
Although it's a funny look.
The one thing that you'll never see in
a typical Dutch quintet ever.

(02:06:37):
It's a banjo.
You'll never see a guy with a banjo.
No, they don't know.
They don't play banjos over there at all.
At all.
Darren O'Neill flooding the zone.
We kind of liked his bad liar, Pam
Bondi.
She had a shock collar on and said
bad liar.
Yeah, it was okay.
It was okay.
I used the 50 Shades of something.

(02:07:00):
The dominatrix chewing bubblegum on the for the
for the newsletter.
Oh, of course you use that one.
Well, no, it's just no, of course.
What would of course?
Because it's it's.
I also I mean, it was either that
or the Grok one.
I like the chatterbox with Darren O'Neill

(02:07:22):
with the chattering teeth.
Because I find chattering teeth to be funny.
Wow.
Now, it would have been funnier animated.
But yeah, the Pam Bondi.
By the way, just as an aside, animated
art also works in the podcast apps.
Good.
So let's give the artists more new ideas.

(02:07:43):
I am giving them an idea.
It works incredibly well, actually.
So I wonder if our I wonder if
this the art generator will hold a GIF.
Yeah, it should.
It should present it properly.
It should.
I think so.
It should.
I don't know that.
Yeah, it should.
It should.
I hope so.
Because I want people to look at this.

(02:08:04):
Everything's a ping on this thing.
Correct the record has already put you up
as host of as seen on OAN.
Okay.
Brother.
All right, everybody.
That is, of course, a big thanks to
Digital2112man for bringing us the artwork for episode
17.
We appreciate that.

(02:08:26):
And we appreciate anything anybody does, really.
I mean, the more choice we have, the
better.
No agenda art generator dot com.
You know, why don't we just have no
agenda art generator dot com?
Just be an AI by itself.
You don't have to upload anything.
Just type in what you think it should
be.
And it creates it for you.

(02:08:47):
I don't think so.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Bring back Nick the rat.
Nick the rat.
That was nice two episodes ago.
It was probably only he was probably had
a day off or something.
Who knows?
He hasn't sent anything in since.
Yeah, well, he's probably mad because I didn't
do a meet up in New York.

(02:09:08):
You know, they were like, Hey, man, what's
your dance card like?
I'm here.
Nick the rat doesn't get mad.
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, I think he does.
On Wednesday nights when he's in the sewer.
We like to thank everyone who supports us
with the treasure of the three cheese, time,
talent and treasure.

(02:09:29):
And we will thank everybody $50 and above,
not below 50 for reasons of anonymity.
And then we have a special category for
every single show.
Not that it's necessary, but man, do we
love it when people come in like Hollywood
big wigs and give us $200 that gets
you a special bonus, which is a associate

(02:09:49):
executive producer credit, which is real, just like
Hollywood.
You can use it anywhere that these type
of credits are recognized like imdb.com.
And in addition to that, we'll also read
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It's no surprise you become an executive producer
of that particular episode.
And we'll also read your note.
And until the end of the month, we
have our Ph.D. promotion still running your

(02:10:10):
Ph.D. in media deconstruction.
If you want to see what that looks
like, go to no agenda rings dot com.
Click on the Ph.D. tab.
And Mike Musgrave from Latitz, Pennsylvania came in
with $1,000.
So he gets the executive producer credit.

(02:10:31):
He gets a Ph.D. And I think
is he already a knight?
Did he not ask for a knighting?
Because I don't see anything on the list.
Why don't we just put him on the
list?
Well, I mean, we don't have a knight
name.
So he has to give us a knight
name.
Yeah, he's got to give us what he
wants at the round table.
My name is Mike Musgrave.
I just wanted to say that you guys

(02:10:52):
are the best.
The information you provide is truly invaluable.
Super clips and super cuts are my favorite.
I hope you're enjoying this fragile ceasefire as
much as I am.
Have a great day, says Mike Musgrave.
Thank you, Mike.
And your Ph.D. will be on the
way.
After he fills out the form.
Yes, I'll make Thomas Flanagan in McCall, Idaho.

(02:11:14):
Also a thousand dollars.
Also Ph.D. I have been a listener
for three years.
My wife, Kelly, gets credit for this introduction.
Oh, switcheroo?
For the introduction with a small donation.
I would like you to consider using the
phrase, the phase, horse.
The phrase.
He means the phrase.

(02:11:35):
Okay, says, okay, using the phrase horse pucky
in addition to bull crap.
It just has a nice ring to it
in the same meaning.
Horse pucky.
Well, no, it doesn't have the exact same
meaning because one comes from a bull, a
steer, and the other one comes from a
horse.
It's a different animal.
It's like saying dog shit.

(02:11:57):
It would be also another variable.
So is that so is this for his
wife, Kelly?
Because he says my wife, Kelly, gets credit
for the introduction.
What does that mean?
Maybe it may be introducing him to the
show.
I guess so.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, this is a, this is a very
mysterious note.

(02:12:19):
Well, you let us know, Thomas.
And if you want your knighthood, let us
know as well.
350 from anonymous who says, Hey, Adam and
John, I would like to remain anonymous from
Massachusetts.
Longtime listener.
First donation.
So a ceremonial deducing is in order.
You've been deduced.
Thank you.

(02:12:40):
I was hit in the mouth with a
brick during COVID and was floored with both
of your insights.
I will try to keep this short.
Thank you for your courage and what you
both provide for everyone who listens.
I'm 29 years old and find it both
fascinating and worrisome at how little people my
age care about knowing what's going on in
the world and the slanted deliveries we see
every day.

(02:13:01):
You know, this is true.
You know, you in the elevator because we
were in there so, so often with so
many people.
Horrible elevator.
You would hear people making jokes about Epstein,
about Epstein's list, but they didn't care.
It's a punchline.
They don't care.
How many people were in the elevator?
A lot.

(02:13:22):
There was a bachelor party and all the
bros came in and Tina's like bachelor party.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they're like, yeah, man, Epstein list, whatever.
Um, I'm proud to be armed with no
agenda information, swinging my fists at everyone in
front of me in the hopes at least
one person tunes in trying to hit him

(02:13:44):
in the mouth.
Thank you again.
And can I please get a big, loud
goat karma?
Why, of course you can.
Thank you.
Anonymous.
You've got karma.
J.J. Irwindale, Iowa, 33, 333.
Simple, easy.
Hey, boys, longtime boner, first time donor.

(02:14:04):
Give given the theory that the evil entities
in the world need to tell us what
they are doing via symbolism or numerology.
I cannot believe I have not heard the
theory before theory being about build back better
from the previous regime.
Now, look at the big, beautiful bill, cautious
alliteration or take the bees, make them lowercase,

(02:14:26):
smash them together.
Six, six, six.
Mark of the beast.
The globalists are always up to evil stuff.
No jingles, just karma.
J.J. And Irwindale.
He needs a de-douching, by the way.
You've been de-douched.
I sent him a note back saying, you
know, I don't know how we missed that

(02:14:48):
because it's so obvious.
You know, I don't think we missed it.
It's just it was like, OK, you know,
I don't know.
I think no, I think we totally missed
it.
I don't remember ever.
We didn't talk about it because it was
like so obvious, I guess.
And here's his karma that he requested.
You've got karma.
Sean Holman, Noblesville, Indiana, comes in with 21911.

(02:15:15):
I'm trying to decode that.
And Sean says, Luke 18 verses 22 to
25 share God's blessings.
Saint Maria Goretti, pray for us.
Luke, that's I told you seven times, but
77 times.
Oh, it's about money.
Yes.
Settling the account.

(02:15:36):
It's also should be versus B-E-R
-S-E-S.
I know what he meant.
Yeah, I know what he meant, but he
spelled it as though it was a competition.
Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting.
It's subtle and funny.
Sir, do name Ralph in Miami, Florida, $211
.65. I have a blank cell here, which

(02:15:56):
gives him a double up karma.
Oh, there we go.
Double up karma.
You've got karma.
And coming in with 20713, it is, of
course, the 13th of the seventh month.
That's Eli the coffee guy.
And he would like to credit this donation
to one of their customers, Dame Rita Harrington.

(02:16:17):
Her and so many other regular producers of
this show initially inspired me to start donating.
I was hit in the mouth back in
2018.
It took a few years before I ceased
being a douchebag.
However, it was the regular names I heard
in the donation segments that made me realize
how valuable this show is to all of
us, the listeners.
No agenda has seen me through countless hours

(02:16:38):
of traveling the country as a private investigator,
aka corporate spook, before quitting my job to
rehab an old house and start a business
roasting coffee.
Thank you, Adam and John, for keeping me
company on this journey.
Also, thank you to all the producers in
the no agenda community that helped make this
show possible.
Thank you for your courage and stay caffeinated,
says Eli the coffee guy without a plug.

(02:17:02):
Well, I'm going to give him a free
one.
That's a GM 20 gigawatt coffee roasters dot
com.
So he was a private investigator for corporations
doing espionage.
I guess I didn't know this.
I didn't know this.
Wow.
Yeah, I'm also I said espionage, assuming it
was what else would you do?

(02:17:23):
I don't know.
But that that says a lot.
He's spying on other companies.
This show has changed his life.
That's the point.
Well, not only that, but he's he's a
good coffee roaster.
He's not a slouch.
It's a good call.
Occasionally get try other coffee.
It's good.
And he holds his own with the best
of them.
It's good coffee.
And his bags are exactly one cradle full

(02:17:45):
of coffee.
His bags are spot on.
He's got good talking and talking about cradle.
We got Sarah cradle here.
She's in East Wenatchee, Washington, 200 bucks.
And she says, greetings, Adam and John.
Business owners of Gitmo Nation.
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She said it again.
Gitmo Nation's go to web shop.
Love you mean it.
Sarah, the web babe.

(02:18:32):
I'm telling you, she should redo no agenda
of Dvorak.org slash NA.
If you can give her the password, it'll
be done quickly.
She'd love to do it.
Deflect.
Deny.
Linda DePakken, $200.
Linda always has a similar message.
She does like Jobs, Karma.
And she says, worried about AI?

(02:18:53):
For a resume that gets results, go to
ImageMakersInc.com.
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Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
Karma.

(02:19:17):
I have a D.
Clegg who sent in a check and a
card and a card.
You can tell it's a card.
I can tell.
Because it has a distinctive card sound.
She wrote a note.
I think it's a she because I mean,
D could also be a male name.
But the writing is female.
But it could also be male if he
was an architect.
That's true.

(02:19:38):
So she wrote in all uppercase some.
Okay, this is a not a tip of
the day, but it's a tip.
And she should listen to this.
Get one of those font creators software font
creation package and turn this into a font.
She has gorgeous uppercase writing.

(02:20:00):
It's all uppercase.
It's block letters, but it's just it's really
pretty as hell.
ITM, gentlemen, she writes.
Thank you for all of your hard work
keeping us informed.
Please deduce me.
You've been deduced.
Also, your best jobs.

(02:20:21):
Karma would be very appreciated.
Blessings to all D.
Clegg from the sanctuary state of Taxachusetts.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Tax it.
Oh, sorry.
Tax it.
Choose nuts.
There you go.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
And our final associate executive producer today is

(02:20:45):
Pat Hopple from Delafield, Wisconsin.
200 dollars.
And Pat says now Pat could be male
or female, as we know from years of
Saturday Night Live.
I'm not sorry to break your mean, doubting
hearts, John.
That's a male.
But POTS is real.

(02:21:06):
And I think it was me who came
up with that story.
But I never said it wasn't real.
I love that you're getting blamed.
I love it.
That's about time somebody blamed me for something,
because most of the time they blame you.
Of course, most of the time they're right.
Now, with that in mind, we had a
lot of notes about people.
We did lots of notes about people with
POTS.
The kids got it.
There is all trade.

(02:21:26):
And I generalize.
Yes, generalize.
It's all traced back to the COVID vaccine
shot.
Some say severe COVID that they didn't have
a shot.
Although there's a doctor that's had it for
30 years that they mentioned in one of
the notes.
Yes.
So there's no shot there.
So while POTS is real and keeps me
in a reclined position with fibromyalgia, myalgic encephalomyelitis,

(02:21:52):
encephalomyelitis, help me.
But this could be a woman.
Encephalomyelitis.
There we go.
Chronic fatigue syndrome.
Encephalomyelitis.
Yes.
And histamine intolerance.
It has kept me unemployed for 25 years.

(02:22:13):
Okay.
So she didn't get it from the shot.
No.
And severely cut into my no agenda support.
Now, now it's a problem.
Ah, here we go.
While my wife has carried the economic burden.
I've been the lousy homemaker mechanic, maintenance man,
etc.
And since she is no fan of the
show, I've had little energy to defend my

(02:22:34):
giving her money to you.
But you're in luck.
Here's $200 in Elon bucks intercepted from his
effort to further subordinate the anti-MAGA sentiment
in Wisconsin.
Contrary to your exuberant claim of Democrats ruling
the state, Republicans have relied on extreme gerrymandering
for many years to keep the crazy coming
in Wisconsin.

(02:22:54):
It would be wise, or at least in
your financial self-interest, to make an effort
to learn more about things before carelessly turning
producers away.
Please give all us POTS heads some health
karma, says Pat Hoppel.
Now, I think that what we were saying
here, POTS is, because I read it, you

(02:23:17):
know, there was an NHS document about POTS,
and we read that.
So it's a real thing.
They don't know where it comes from.
And the claim was that it seems a
lot of TikTok women, young women are claiming
they have POTS because, you know, they weren't
eating or whatever.

(02:23:38):
That's this seems like it's a social contagion
to say, I have POTS.
They may have POTS.
They may.
Then these women may have all had COVID
shots.
I want to mention something else, which is
his commentary about my generalizing about Wisconsin being
Democrat run, which it is, and the fact

(02:23:58):
is that my doing so resulted in his
donation.
Good job.
This happens a lot.
I condemn the Indians for being cheap, the
Indians from India.
They start giving.
And they, some of them, you know, say,
oh, yeah, well, maybe we're cheap because they
are cheap.
We need to put this into our value
for value book.
Value for value for dummies.

(02:24:20):
We need to explain how it works.
You condemn you or say you can say
something wrong, too, and that'll get attention and
give you money to get.
Well, anyway, no harm meant, Pat.
And thank you to everyone who set us
straight on POTS being a real thing.
The social contagion still may be very real,
very real.
I'm having trouble talking today.

(02:24:41):
Very, very real.
Here's the karma that you request.
I'm going to add a goat for you
because you deserve it.
You've got karma.
Wait, Elon was bribing the Wisconsinians.
Yes.
With 200 bucks in cash.
Apparently.
Well, isn't that illegal?

(02:25:03):
No.
Now you sound like MSNBC.
That's illegal what he's doing.
It's like a lottery.
You can't do that.
It's a bad thing he's doing.
You can't do that.
You can't do that.
Because he's a bad person.
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(02:26:12):
Hey, Nicole Sheridan, who was RFK Jr.'s running
mate for a bit there when he was
still running.
And of course, she's got the Google money.
She made a promise.
Here's the promise.
And she actually made good on it today.
Hey, everybody.

(02:26:33):
So EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin announced today that
his agency will finally release detailed information on
geoengineering.
If you followed me for a while, you
know this is something I care deeply about.
So this feels like the right moment to
share.
I have been speaking with a whistleblower over
the past several weeks who has helped me
really understand what's happening in our skies.

(02:26:56):
They've given me information that could shed real
light on these programs, who's behind them, where
the funding's coming from, and what we can
do to stop them.
Another knowage in the staple.
Comes true.
Then it's all coming out.
Second half of show.
It's all coming out.
I saw the post coming through this morning.
Play the theremin.

(02:27:17):
Why should I play the theremin?
This is the truth, man.
They've been spraying us like bugs.
Like bugs, I tell you.
Well, good for her.
I'm glad she's somebody spending money on this
stuff.
Yeah.
You know, we should know about this stuff
and it's going to come out.
It's the season of reveal.
It's here.

(02:27:37):
Yeah.
I have an offbeat clip.
Just actually, I'd like to play.
I have two clips from Brooks and Capehart
from last Friday.
Goodness gracious.
That I really think need to be played.
Okay.
Because this is giving us more insight.
We have insight into your hate watch.

(02:28:00):
That's the only insight I get.
You play hate watch material.
I don't bitch.
I don't sit there and complain bitterly and
go and do it.
Do the Gigi bit on you and you
do it to me constantly.
Yes, you do.
Never, never, never, never find one example.
Okay, but here's the terrorist.
This is Brooks.
He's going to give us a little insight

(02:28:21):
on the terrorist.
Without condemning Trump too much.
It's early days yet.
Our latest public inflation numbers are for May.
That's not up to current.
So it could be catching up.
Second, I think a lot of the reason
a lot of companies are not passing the
costs onto consumers is because they think they're
going to come down, that Trump's going to
change his mind again.
And so why should they burn their relationship

(02:28:41):
with the consumer?
If Trump's going to pull the tariffs back,
if it becomes clear over the next three,
four months that he's not going to pull
back, then I think consumers are really going
to start seeing high prices.
And that's going to be on toys.
That's going to be on things like car
seats.
I've learned a lot about car seats in
the last month.
They're way more expensive than I thought they
were, at least when my kids were little.

(02:29:02):
But so then if you start paying 400,
500 bucks for a car seat, then you
notice.
And then the effect on our politics will
be significant.
Four or 500 bucks for a car seat?
What is he talking about, this elitist?
When's the last time you bought a car
seat?
Let me see what a car seat costs
on Amazon.
Is he talking about the children's booster seats?

(02:29:24):
So kids can sit down, their little toddlers?
He doesn't have a toddler.
The guy's 70.
OK, well, here's a car seat for 229.
OK, that's not 500.
No, here's a decompression cushion, which I think
is fine for the kid.
Just throw him on that for 29 bucks.
No, Amazon has a lot of fancy looking
Graco brand.

(02:29:45):
Graco brand, best overall pick, 229, 219.
So yeah, I don't know.
I mean, yeah, there's one.
Maybe he's talking about an actual car.
Not that, but an actual car seat.
In other words, the seat that you sit
in, in your car.
I don't think so.
It could be.
I don't think so.
Maybe he's just swapping them out randomly.
No, now you're just going crazy just to

(02:30:07):
justify playing these clips.
Justifying anything.
OK, well, let's listen to Kay Parton.
What does he have to say?
I don't understand what the president's doing here.
With he's taken his 20th century view of
tariffs from the 1980s, trying to apply it
to a 21st century world.

(02:30:27):
No one knows what any of this means.
And David's talking about inflation, higher prices.
We just don't know.
Economists say that the American people are going
to get hammered.
That the president telling everyone that we're getting
screwed by these other nations and that they're
going to pay the tariffs.
That just isn't true.

(02:30:48):
And so the thing I keep coming back
to on a whole lot of things that
the president does, I'm asking the question, why
are we not talking about his mental acuity
in the way we would if President Biden
had been saying and doing a lot of
these erratic things?
Wow, that that train has come and gone.

(02:31:09):
Capehart.
Really?
He wants to go back to that.
Well, how do you get from tariffs to
to acuity?
I mean, this guy, these two guys are
the worst.
They're just crap.
And yet there they are on PBS yacking
away.
There it is.
You're mad.
You're mad that they're on TV and you

(02:31:31):
only get a 10 minute hit with Chanel.
Chanel Rion.
So I was one of the Zoomers friends
in New York works for Tory Burch.
Are you familiar with the Tory Burch?
Brand of Bagley.
So I think mainly handbags, Tory Burch handbag.

(02:31:53):
I have a handbag story coming up right
after this.
So let me just see what is a
Tory Burch handbag.
Let me see.
Tory Burch is a B.I.R.C
.H. handbag price.
They probably I'd say they're about five, six
hundred dollars.
Now they get a little bit cheaper.
$3.98 for a tote.

(02:32:17):
$3.98 for a cheap tote.
So and this particular friend does sourcing and
production.
So she knew a lot about it.
And I said, how have the tariffs affected
you?
And she's like, yeah, you know, we just
ate it.
We couldn't raise our prices.
So we just ate the 10 percent.

(02:32:38):
It's not a problem.
I think most people I'm reminded I should
mention this.
I'm reminded about all these analysis.
Oh, the tariffs are going to make everything
do this and that.
Oh, we're going to do this.
I'm reminded of the Reagan administration.
If anybody remembers that far back, I'm probably
the only one here that does.
But when Reagan ran against George H.W.
Bush, he was actually running against a number

(02:32:58):
of candidates and George H.W., who he
picked as vice president, was one of his
candidates.
And he called Reagan's supply side economic theories,
which came from Milton Friedman.
He called them voodoo economics.
Voodoo economics is none of it's going to
work.
And of course, it worked fine.
And then Milton Friedman all of a sudden
became a folk hero with all his theories

(02:33:20):
and ideas about inflation and everything in between.
And now everyone thinks of Milton Friedman as
some sort of a genius.
They didn't think so before.
Voodoo economics.
So they're doing the same thing here with
Trump.
They're just making stuff up.
What I thought was interesting that she said,
you know, we could not raise the price
because I guess these things are very price

(02:33:40):
sensitive.
We all know, I'm sure the mini Fleming
soft crossbody retailing for $3.78, it probably
cost them $10.
Yeah, they're eight.
And Tory Burch is a certified billionaire.
So it's like, you know, we've been charging
consumers way too much anyway.

(02:34:01):
And they just ate it.
I said, what are you going to do
in the future?
We'll just eat it.
10%.
It's not a big deal.
Even if it's 20%.
They are printing money at these outfits.
Yes, they are.
In fact, let's play the clip.
The top clip on my list.
Yeah, I don't know.
What do you think a Jane Birkin?
It's not Jane Birkin.

(02:34:23):
Okay.
Okay, boomer.
Jane Birkin bag.
It is exclusive coveted fashion accessories in the
world.
The Birkin bag made by Hermes.
The large boxy purses come with long wait
lists.
And even used bags can sell for tens
of thousands of dollars.
But if you think that's a lot, well,
the original Birkin bag just sold for more

(02:34:44):
than $10 million yesterday at Sotheby's in Paris.
This first Birkin bag was made specifically for
the late Jane Birkin, the British born singer
and actress who became a French icon.
She died in 2023 at the age of
76.
And her bag comes with quite a backstory.

(02:35:06):
As Sotheby's tells it, in 1981, Birkin was
struggling to cram a wicker basket full of
her belongings into an overhead bin on a
flight.
The contents of her basket, though, spilled into
the lap of Jean-Louis Dumas, the head
of Hermes.
The two struck up a conversation about how
Birkin needed a bigger bag to lug her
things around.
And when Dumas asked her to draw a

(02:35:27):
sketch, she drew one on the air sickness
bag from the seat back pocket.
A few years later, Hermes gifted a prototype
of the bag to Birkin and asked if
the company could put her name on it.
And thus, the Birkin bag was born.
Jane Birkin carried her namesake black leather bag
for almost a decade.
In 1994, she donated it to raise funds
for an AIDS charity.

(02:35:47):
The legendary prototype was sold with marks and
scratches and includes a few unique features from
its original owner, like Birkin's initials JB stamped
on the front flap and her dainty pair
of nail clippers hanging from its strap.
Valuance Japan, a Tokyo-based reseller of design
goods, said it paid the $10 million for
the bag.

(02:36:07):
All right, I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
So who do you think the Birkin bag
was named after, Boomer?
I'm going to say Jane Birkin.
I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
But it also gave me an outstanding idea.
Ready?
The Dvorak duffel.
I don't use a duffel.

(02:36:28):
You do now.
You drew it on the back of a
puke bag and now it's the Dvorak duffel.
And we also have the curry coach now
available in the No Agenda shop.
I would hope the No Agenda shop would
do this.
Now, have you even seen a barf bag
on a plane in the last decade?
Yeah, there...
Yes, because I've been on a plane in

(02:36:49):
the last decade.
I've been on a plane.
I don't remember seeing barf bags.
I think they took them off.
No, they're in there.
Of course they are.
Have you seen...
I've been on planes where there's not even
a magazine in that little thing.
Magazines are gone.
Have you seen someone barf in a barf
bag in the last decade?
No, but we had one time we were

(02:37:10):
the family.
It was, I think it was Eric.
We went to Hawaii and for some reason,
I don't know what happened, but Eric, I
think, got sick and he barfed in the
barf bag.
Nice.
And then he wrapped it and it has
a little clip so you can close it
up.
Yep.
And he put it on the ground and
then the plane had a rough landing and
the barf bag seemed to have rolled away

(02:37:31):
under somebody else's seat.
So it was God knows where it was.
We snuck out of the plane as fast
as we could.
Figured somebody either stepped on it or what
the hell is this?
No, no, no, no.
That's wrong.
On our flight home yesterday, we actually got
a...

(02:37:51):
If there's anyone who has medical qualifications, we
could use you in row 23, please.
Row 23.
You never want to hear that on the
plane.
No, because it often leads to an emergency
landing in the middle of nowhere.
So it did not, but we actually were
delayed by almost an hour and we arrived

(02:38:13):
almost on time.
Now they always, you know, skew these times
no matter what.
But when we landed, you know, paramedics came
on board right away.
You know, they had EMS. They had a
clinical guy and I guess the woman had
fainted.
She was fine.
She walked off with them.
But the pilot then says, that was actually
kind of cool because I got to fly
a lot faster than I usually do.

(02:38:35):
We got full on priority.
You know, we got to a gate, you
know, a gate that was empty even though
our gate was initially occupied.
Yeah, it's true.
So that was great.
More of that, please.
Yeah, well, I almost had that opportunity once,
but some guy, I had a guy die

(02:38:55):
on the flight.
Next to you?
No, I hope not.
No, some guy died on the flight.
It was a big flight.
It was a flight from Japan.
Oh no, they had to put him on
ice.
And they were over the middle of the
Pacific, so they couldn't do anything.
And there was a doctor on board, luckily,
and he pronounced the guy dead on the
plane so they didn't have to land in

(02:39:17):
Hawaii to get him, you know, any help
because he was dead.
Oh man.
So we flew all the way to San
Francisco.
And then, you know, they...
Did they zip him up in the bag
before taking him out?
And they rolled him out of the plane
before anybody else.
Well, yeah.
I mean, you get priority when you're dead.
Priority deplaning.

(02:39:37):
Yeah.
So that wasn't pleasant.
No.
I don't even know how we got here.
Yes.
You started with the bag story.
Yeah, well, I think that Dvorak Duffel is
a winner.
Okay, we got Dvorak Duffel on track.
As seen on One America News.
I got the Air India.
Oh, the K-part stuff I've got.

(02:39:59):
No, you did the K-part stuff.
You did the K-part.
Yes, I did.
I do have some interesting flood analysis.
Oh, okay.
That's a little offbeat.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that because, you know,
we...
This morning, it started coming down again like
crazy.
Hunt County, or Hunt, the town of Hunt
is now on flood watch.
This thing is not over here, so...

(02:40:21):
Well, this isn't quite about the flood per
se.
It's about the flood planes that are over
there in Texas, and there's tons of them.
Yes.
They're all over the country, actually.
Yes.
You notice it when you look at a
map.
Yes.
But this is kind of an interesting...
I think this is somewhat scandalous.
This is the interesting Flood Info PBS.
Laura, what is it that you looked at
and what did you find?

(02:40:42):
What we found was a significantly higher risk
of flooding in this camp and in this
area than the federal government has ever reported.
We found that a number of the cabins
had an expectation that if a serious storm
came, they were going to be inundated.
And yet FEMA's maps, what Americans depend on

(02:41:02):
to know whether or not they have a
flood risk, were not showing this risk.
And so when we went and looked at
a number of maps that are done by
private companies, you can see that if a
serious storm came, that this place would be
underwater, not only in the main camp, but
also off into the new camp that they
built recently.
And some of these are done by private
companies like First Street in New York, which

(02:41:24):
was able to show where they expected the
water to come.
You know, the thing that's interesting is that
Camp Mystic has flooded before at these many,
many floods, 32, 78.
I mean, it was known, no one wants
to listen.
Yes, it was known, but the FEMA, this

(02:41:45):
is where the plot thickens, this is part
two.
Why the difference?
Why did these private companies pick it up
and FEMA not?
FEMA does not map rainfall.
They are not mapping flash flooding.
And they're also not looking forward into what
sort of climate predictions might be there coming.
FEMA is looking backward.
FEMA does not have the mandate from Congress

(02:42:07):
to do this work.
And they also, they don't have the funding
to do this.
So there are wonderful scientists at FEMA that
are capable of doing this.
They have some of the best data scientists
in the world, but they are not mapping
this risk the way a lot of the
private companies are saying, look, this is a
serious problem.
The Associated Press had a story out this
morning that said that a number of buildings

(02:42:27):
at Camp Mystic had been taken off the
list, because you write in your investigation that
there are special interests that can appeal.
How does that work?
NPR and PBS, we're also reporting this.
We have the documents that show that this
camp pulled these buildings out of the floodplain.
They're saying, we don't wanna have these in

(02:42:47):
this risky area.
So can you just take them out of
your map?
And FEMA granted this request for multiple buildings
back 15 years ago.
This is a significant problem, because if you
are in the floodplain, then you are required,
if you are in a community that belongs
to this program and you have a federally
backed mortgage, you are required to build to

(02:43:08):
a flood standard.
That usually means elevating your house so that
you can survive a significant storm like this,
a significant flood that's coming through.
And if you're outside the flood maps, you
don't have to do that work.
And that is why a lot of communities
sometimes ask to come out of it.
And even private owners like this camp requested

(02:43:28):
to come out of the floodplain.
And we can see the impact that that
had.
And to be clear, they wanna get out
of the floodplain on paper.
But in reality, they're still in it.
Well, I can tell you why they're doing
this.
And we're seeing this ourselves.
Everybody here expects our home insurance to go
up again.
Since we've lived in this house, which is

(02:43:49):
four years, our home insurance has doubled.
Yeah, it's doing this everywhere.
And yes, being in the floodplain makes your
insurance go up, because it's an excuse to
jack up the insurance.
But at the same time, everyone's finagling it.
Let's listen to clip three.
This is happening not just at Camp Mystic,
but across the country.

(02:44:11):
More than two times as many Americans have
a flood risk.
Millions of Americans don't even know they have
a flood risk.
And that's because FEMA's maps have not been
updated with this new information.
Cuz you said this is also an issue
in North Carolina when Hurricane Helene moved through.
Absolutely, when we were in North Carolina covering
Helene, 98% of the people that were

(02:44:33):
affected by the storm were not in FEMA's
flood maps.
This means that not only if they're not
in the flood map, they may not have
been required to build in a way that
could have helped them survive the storm.
But also, they may not have belonged to
the National Flood Insurance Program, because there wasn't
a requirement for them to do so.
And so they're out of luck in that

(02:44:53):
way, too, when it comes to rebuilding.
What's it take to fix this legislation?
We found in our reporting that Congress needs
to fund this program.
They need to fund FEMA to do these
maps.
But there's a lot of pushback to having
these maps updated.
A lot of politicians don't wanna be the
ones that will increase flood insurance rates for

(02:45:16):
people across the country.
I'm missing an important detail here.
Maybe it's in the fourth clip.
Well, I wanna also mention something about, of
course, they're trying to twist this whole story
so it's Trump's fault.
How about climate change?
That's what I'm waiting for.
They never get to climate change.
That's really interesting in this, because PBS, mostly

(02:45:37):
they're targeting Trump.
Then it's like, well, FEMA has not done
this job well.
For a long time.
For a long time.
So all of a sudden now, because of
Trump, it's being, you call attention to it
because of Trump.
This is nonsense.
This whole report really bugs me for that
reason.

(02:45:57):
But here we go to the last of
it.
But we also found in our reporting that
the National Association of Home Builders, home developer,
lobby groups, even sometimes the National Association of
Realtors, are saying we don't wanna see these
maps necessarily updated.
Because they want to keep, they say, homes
affordable.
And now with FEMA in limbo under the
Trump administration, changes likely, unlikely?

(02:46:20):
The cuts to FEMA are making it difficult
from the insiders we've talked to to do
the work that they wanna do.
But it is also gonna undermine the agency's
ability to insist on flood map changes.
And also insist on resilient building due to
climate change.
They missed an opportunity there, I think.

(02:46:42):
I think they were targeting this too much.
They didn't wanna water it down.
Well, President Trump and First Lady Melania came
to Kerrville right down the road to visit.
And I will say that in general, everyone
is pretty happy with how, a lot of

(02:47:04):
it's local people.
I mean, there's, oh man, there must be
3,500, maybe 4,000 volunteers.
In fact, there's a meetup this coming Saturday
at Java Ranch, also known as Java Hut
on Main Street.
One of our producers is coming in from
the Netherlands to help with flood relief.
He's organizing a meetup there.

(02:47:26):
There's a lot of people who emailed me
and people say, I'm in Austin, I wanna
go help.
And so it's really been very heartwarming to
see how many people just jumped in to
help.
And here's a report about the president with
some nonsense in here, from the president, unfortunately.
US President Donald Trump was in Central Texas
on Friday to survey the damage from devastating

(02:47:49):
floods that killed at least 120 people.
Trump and First Lady Melania began their visit
in hard hit Kerrville, where they were briefed
by local officials.
Later during a town hall, the US president
dismissed questions about the federal response to the
floods and whether adequate warnings were provided.
Well, I think everyone did an incredible job

(02:48:11):
under the circumstances.
I guess Christy said a one in 500,
one in 1,000 years.
No.
No.
They told you to sit back and say,
oh, what could have happened here or there?
Maybe we could have done something differently.
This was a thing that has never happened
before.
And nobody's ever seen anything.
I've never seen anything like this.
Officials say some 3,400 people are involved

(02:48:34):
in the search for the 160 people that
are still missing.
The search for the missing continues.
The people that are doing it are unbelievable
people.
You couldn't get better people than this anywhere,
Christy, right?
Anywhere in the world, you couldn't get better
people.
And they're doing the job like I don't
think anybody else could, frankly.

(02:48:55):
And I wanna thank them.
I wanna thank all of these great first
responders who raced into very grave danger.
We have some people that were incredible.
The single Coast Guard rescue crew saved an
incredible 169 children at Camp Mystic, 169.

(02:49:16):
We're also taking historic action to ensure that
such a nightmare never happens again.
We're gonna look and see how can a
thing like this, they could say it's 100
years.
Somebody says it's a 500 year event.
No.
We're not gonna let a thing like this
happen again where it can wreak this kind
of devastation.
There's no stopping it, President Trump.
There's no stopping this.

(02:49:39):
One of the guys at our church, Mark
DeWeiss, he has equipment and he went down
there.
He says he uncovered 10 bodies in the
rubble.
He says it's a mess.
And of course, now, and I feel a
lot more what the people of Western North
Carolina, Asheville, what they all went through because
it disappears from the news, but it just

(02:50:01):
stays.
And it goes, this will be months, months
still of cleanup.
It's an unbelievable mess.
Video doesn't do it justice.
And yeah, it'll happen again in five to
10 years.
Yes, it happens over and over.
Yeah, it does.
But we should be a little smarter.
But by saying it's every thousand years, that

(02:50:22):
doesn't help at all.
No, it's a lie.
And it's a lie.
Can I just give you one little interesting
tidbit?
Speaking of churches, we have the new IRS,
which means much less people.
I'm not quite sure exactly what President Trump
did.
But Monday, the IRS said, and this is

(02:50:44):
very interesting because since the 1950s, I think,
this has not been legal due to the
Johnson Amendment.
The IRS said on Monday, churches and other
houses of worship can endorse political candidates to
their congregations, carving out an exemption in a
decades-old ban on political activity by tax

(02:51:06):
-exempt nonprofits.
They say, the communications from a house of
worship to its congregation in connection with religious
services through its usual channels of communication on
matters of faith do not run afoul of
the Johnson Amendment as properly interpreted.
That's a big deal.
1954 is when Johnson introduced that.

(02:51:28):
That's a big change.
It'll be interesting to see how it works
with the televangelists.
Well, I guess it comes down to what's
your normal mode of communication.
But they're pretty clear houses of worship.
So, I don't know.
Televangelists is a house of worship with 16

(02:51:51):
,000 people.
Man, some of these megachurches.
Audience of millions.
I don't see any reason why you couldn't
do that anyway.
Here's an interesting...
I like to do unreported news, in other
words, kind of scandalous little stories that just
never get played by anybody.
I do not understand the editors of this
country, why these things don't go up.

(02:52:12):
But I don't think you've heard this one.
This is the unreported United Nations corruption story.
The Trump administration today announcing sanctions on a
United Nations investigator.
Francisca Albanese is the UN Special Rapporteur for
the West Bank and Gaza.
Albanese has previously prompted the International Criminal Court
to take action against US and Israeli officials,

(02:52:33):
companies and executives.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio says her efforts
were illegitimate.
In recent weeks, Albanese has urged other countries
to pressure Israel, including through sanctions.
Rubio today wrote Albanese's campaign of political and
economic warfare against the United States and Israel
will no longer be tolerated.
Rubio added that the US will continue to

(02:52:55):
take necessary actions to respond to what he
calls lawfare against the US.
Rubio says that's to protect America's sovereignty and
that of its allies.
That is...
Corrupt UN official.
Gambling?
Amazing.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's wrap it up with some TikTok clips,

(02:53:15):
John.
Might as well.
I know you're chomping at the bit.
Oh, I don't know.
We could skip them.
Oh, do one.
Do your favorite.
Do your favorite one.
Well, what's the good one here?
Oh, well, they're all short.
None.
What's the good one?
Not a single one of them.
I think the Civil War one is good.
Okay, here we go.
Oh, MAGA, don't you understand?
If we have another Civil War, all the

(02:53:36):
blue states will control all the fresh water.
You guys don't think this shit through, do
you?
That's great.
Is that true?
No.
There's fresh water all over the place.
And the blue states control mostly, they're on

(02:53:58):
the coast, ocean water.
Yeah, I wish nobody uses the drink.
I mean, Washington state gets a lot of
fresh water.
California is a drought state.
Oh, man.
All right.
Would you please do the stolen land lady?
Because I saw you tweeting this on X
all week.
Oh, what's wrong with these people?
These people, what's your...

(02:54:19):
They're one chat GP session away from going
insane.
That's what I'll tell you.
Okay, this is the profane scold.
She's a scold.
I don't want to hear another white person
say the word illegal for the rest of
my goddamn life.
We are living on stolen land.
Our ancestors forcibly and violently seized this land

(02:54:41):
from the indigenous peoples who were living here
for generations before we ever showed up.
We do not get to call them illegal.
We don't own the fucking planet.
Nobody does.
Oh, brother.
We are evolved monkeys with opposable thumbs who
use them to write little monkey scribbles on
a slice of tree and we call it
a birth certificate.
I think, didn't you already play this one?

(02:55:02):
Is this old?
The opposable thumbs thing, is this a script?
It could be.
With our little monkey sounds, all of it
is made up.
None of it is real.
And it doesn't fucking matter.
And it's certainly not a valid reason to
rip a terrified screaming child away from his
weeping mother.
And I am tired of being made to

(02:55:23):
feel like I'm crazy for being angry about
this.
Capitalism is just narcissism as an economic system.
Imperialism is just narcissism as a foreign policy.
If the lion can't claim the safari for
himself and call the elephant illegal, then neither
the fuck can we.
I'm sorry I even asked for this one

(02:55:44):
now.
You requested it.
I mean, it was profane.
I did.
I did not like that one.
I should have put a not same for
what.
Yeah, now I have to mark the episode
as explicit.
Oh, thanks.
I'm going to show my salute by donating
to No Agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

(02:56:09):
Just remember, you can find him on TikTok
or on x.com under the real Dvorak.
You can.
Yeah, the real Dvorak.
I've lost a whole bunch of people for
some unknown reason.
You are still at 100 plus, and I'm
still stuck at 98.8 thousand.
I cannot get over 100.
It's just because it's there's some there's their

(02:56:29):
limiters.
They I'm sure of it now.
Oh, yes.
I mean, even the Epstein stuff disappeared from
my timeline like overnight.
The thing is totally rigged.
Yeah, it's rigged.
Yeah, it's rigged.
Hey, John's going to tell us who supported
us above $50.
The rest of our list for today.

(02:56:50):
Yeah, starting with breakwater yacht maintenance.
There you go.
Now, there's a company breakwater yacht maintenance, and
they're in Mystic, Connecticut, where you would have
an operation like this, right?
I love it.
105.35. If you need some maintenance on
your yacht, we have your breakwater.

(02:57:15):
They can take care of your yacht and
also give you some orange juice.
Tony Pace in Houston, Texas.
100 MK Ultra Mark in the Bronx.
100 Kevin McLaughlin in Concord, North Carolina.
You know what he is.
He's the Archduke of Loon, the lover of
America and melons.
Oh, melons.
Yeah, melons.
8008 Rocket Boy in Brownsboro, Alabama.

(02:57:39):
69.35. That's a Gen X donation, which
is 65.80 plus fee.
65.80. 65.80. That means you're born
between 65 and 80, I guess.
Yeah, plus fee.
That makes sense.
Okay.
It's also a birthday call out.
He's got it for himself.
Dad, Daymarita, Sparks, Nevada.
67.57. Jennifer Follow Will.

(02:58:01):
Follow Will in Peoria, Arizona.
Yes.
65.80. Another call out, a Gen X
donation.
Did you write this somewhere that this 65
.80 has popped up?
This is new numerology to me.
I like it.
No.
I like it.
65.80. That's a good one.
65.80 for your Gen X.
I have no idea where this came from.

(02:58:23):
I didn't come up with it.
I like it.
And now we have almost two in a
row, except for Daymarita in the middle.
Yep.
Sandwich.
Jennifer's got a birthday.
Yep.
Christopher Dechter, 56.78. We're going to push
this.
I like this.
We're going to push this 65.80. 65
.80, yeah.

(02:58:44):
Christopher Dechter, 56.78. Lydia Terry in Rochester,
New Hampshire, 56.23. Holly Taylor in Coeur
d'Alene, Idaho, 52.72. And that's a
happy birthday to her smoking hot boyfriend, Jeff.
Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia.

(02:59:04):
Oh, holy mackerel.
We're at the 50s already?
Yes, we are.
So we had a total of 28 donations
today?
Yeah.
That stinks.
That's what it is.
You know why?
It's that NTD clips about Falun Gong.
Well, that didn't help.
Did not help, no.
Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia.

(02:59:25):
Tim DelVecchio in Blandon, Pennsylvania.
Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California.
Dame Patricia Worthington, our regular in Miami, Florida.
Brandon Savoie in Port Orchard, Washington.
Dame Knight in Edmonds, Washington.
Last on the list is Travis Fierstein in
Costa Mesa, California.

(02:59:48):
And he has a note saying 25 June,
July.
Okay, maybe code for something.
I should read it out.
All right, that's our group of well-wishers
and contributors to show, 1781.
And thank you to those who came in
under $50 for reasons of anonymity.
We'll never mess it up, and we'll never
read anything under the 50.
We see you, 49.99s. And of course,

(03:00:10):
our sustaining donors who have decided to go
either on a Knight or Dame layaway program
or just like to support us with any
random amount, any frequency.
You can do all of that at noagendadonations
.com.
Anything is appreciated.
All you have to do is just send
back the value you perceive that you got
from the show.
It's that simple.
Noagendadonations.com.

(03:00:34):
Also, kind of a short list.
Jennifer Followill, with her sister, Julie Knoll, a
very happy 45th.
And she'll be celebrating tomorrow.
Rocket Boy, also celebrating his birthday tomorrow.
And Holly Taylor, happy birthday to her smoking
hot boyfriend, Jeff.
He celebrates on the 15th.
Happy birthday from everybody here at the best
podcast in the universe.

(03:00:55):
It's your birthday, yeah!
Our top two executive producers today also received
PhDs, Mike Musgrave and Thomas Flanagan.
Both of you go to noagenderings.com.
And please let us know if you want
your knight ring as well, if you want
your official knighting, and send us a note
with your name.
You might as well put that on the
form there when you send us in what

(03:01:17):
you want on your certificate and where you'd
like it sent to.
We are happy to oblige.
Congratulations with these freshly minted PhDs in media
deconstruction.
Well, as I mentioned, we'll have an impromptu
meetup this coming Saturday.

(03:01:38):
Everett Bopp will come in from the Netherlands.
He's actually in Texas already.
And he is helping out with the cleanup
efforts and, I guess, some rescue efforts still,
or search efforts in Kerr County.
He'll be at Java Ranch Saturday between 2
to 5.
And I will definitely stop by.
I'm also asking Willie to stop by so
you can see the famous Willie the Chess

(03:01:59):
Master.
We have a meetup report from Victoria.
So welcome to Taverns here at the Lighthouse
Brewery.
I am here with...
Winston Smith.
Or Tim.
Or Tim.
And we're here for the Victoria meetup.
And this meetup will happen again in two
weeks.
So we want to get a few more
people out here.

(03:02:20):
Think about it.
In two weeks time, we will be out
here for the No Agenda meetup.
Noagendameetups.com is where you can find all
of the meetups.
We do have one taking place today.
It's underway as we speak.
Evergreen Brewing in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania.
On the list for July.

(03:02:40):
Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 19th.
Albany, California.
That's the big one where John's coming out
on the 19th as well.
Victoria, British Columbia on the 25th.
Anaheim, California.
Leo Bravo on the 26th.
Alfreda, Georgia on the 31st.
And many more ahead.
Many more meetups happening throughout the dog days
of summer which are coming up.
If you'd like to know where, go to

(03:03:00):
noagendameetups.com.
We've got a fantastic calendar there.
You can search by location.
You can search by date.
And if you can't find something that is
near you, why don't you go ahead and
start one yourself?
It's easy.
You wanna be where you won't be.

(03:03:22):
Triggered on hell's flame.
You wanna be where everybody feels the same.
It's like a party.
So I got a lot of ISOs, but
I think I'm just going to try my
best ones on you and see if you
like those.
Because people are now, they're mad.
They're like, eh, we got to do some
ISOs.
We got to get John out of the

(03:03:43):
isosphere.
It's no good what John's doing.
The isosphere.
Isosphere.
Here's my first.
It's that good.
I kind of like that one.
And that was obviously an edited ISO.
And this one.
There was a whole lot of value in
there.
Nah, come on.
You know, if you're gonna, editing the ISO.

(03:04:05):
I didn't edit the ISO.
Is no different than doing an AI ISO,
it seems to me.
Well, I mean, you didn't like that.
That one wasn't edited.
There was a whole lot of value in
there.
No, I didn't.
That was okay.
But I actually liked the edited one better.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, we could have a funny laugh at
the end.
Yeah.

(03:04:26):
I'll leave it at those.
I want to give you two.
That's it.
Well, okay.
You want to hear more?
I got more.
No problem.
Here's more.
Oh my.
Good show, boys.
I need a cigarette.
That sounds like AI.
I didn't do that one.
Let's see you get this one.
Are we still talking about that?
I don't know if that's AI or not.
I think it's AI.

(03:04:47):
Could be.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
That's good old Alex.
We have this one.
Hello.
What the heck is going on?
That's what I got.
Oh, wait.
One more.
Powered by AI.
Thanks to John.

(03:05:11):
Let's hear that one again.
Powered by AI.
Thanks to John.
That's a good one.
I kind of like that one.
All right.
What do you have?
So I do have an AI one.
Actually, they're both AI, but I try to
be a little different.
The one I like is the best.
Best show in five years.

(03:05:34):
That's not as good as the Alex one.
Then there's this one.
The show made me fart.
No, you're really searching now.
I think...
Bye-bye.
I think that's...
Alex is just...
He's always a winner.
I think you have to go with that.
No doubt about it.
Anyone who has polyps and makes a living

(03:05:55):
out of it, I'm all in.
There we go.
Time for John's tip of the day, everybody.
Yeah, this is a follow-up tip to
the last one for the blackout folk.

(03:06:16):
This is a really cool product.
And these are called...
You can look them up on Amazon.
There's a bunch of different people that make
them.
They're out of China, obviously.
There's nobody...
In fact, mine's particularly out of China because
they can't even put the wording right.
But these are emergency use light bulbs.
And they are like a regular LED light

(03:06:38):
bulb They look exactly the same, except they
have a battery, a chargeable battery inside.
And so if the power goes out, the
circuit stays connected and the light bulb stays
lit.
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah, if you...
In fact, if you take a piece of
aluminum foil and put it over the bottom,
the connections at the bottom, and they also
have these little connectors you can put on

(03:06:59):
the bottom with a little click on it,
a little switch, you can click them on
and off.
The thing stays lit.
So when the power goes off, then you
need just one in...
I'd say one in any room or one
in a room that you're in a lot
if you're going to be worried about having
to do a wall crawl to get to
a flashlight, which I had to do.
Is this another Mimi tip of the day
where she's so worried about you and the
power outage?

(03:07:20):
Yes, Mimi got me the bulbs and she
got me the thing from last show because
she's worried sick that I'm going to...
I don't know what she's worried about.
You're going to die in a...
I'm going to die.
I can't find the flashlight.
So open a window.
So they come, they're cheap, just like this
six-pack of bull racket dit.

(03:07:43):
That's a stupid name.
There was like 20 bucks for six of
them.
But there's...
Hey, can you put this in your mouth
like Uncle Fester?
Yes, you could.
And you'd put it in your mouth and
then you'd use your tongue and you'd complete
the circuit on the bulb screw and it

(03:08:04):
would light it up.
I never thought of that, but I don't
know if you're going to get a jolt.
Here's an idea.
On your next hit on the Chanel Ryan
show, you just do that at the end.
Just pop that bulb in and make it...
Come on.
Come on, man.
That'd be fantastic.
Come on, John.
Yeah, I would get some notoriety, that's for
sure.

(03:08:24):
Hey, Chanel, watch this.
And then just pop it in your mouth.
Now you're talking a hit, everybody.
That is John's tip of the day.
Find them all at tipoftheday.net.
Oh, man.

(03:08:48):
We've got ideas a dozen a minute.
We just got it all for you.
And that does conclude our broadcast day from
a still very wet Hill Country, Texas.
Thank you all for tuning in.
Thank you for listening.
Thank you for supporting us.
We appreciate any support at noagendadonations.com.

(03:09:10):
We have end of show mixes from Sound
Guy Steve.
Love to see him back.
Oystein Berger checks in.
Oystein has his seasons mixed up.
He's got a Christmas tune, but it's all
original.
No AI in these end of show mixes.
And also Jason Lewis.
It's all Epstein-oriented.
You will love it.

(03:09:31):
Coming up next on noagendastream.com, trollroom.io
is Nick the Rat, speaking of the devil.
And this is his summer's douche episode from
the sewers of New York City.
Coming to you from the heart of the
Texas Hill Country.
Right here in Fredericksburg.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
Here from northern Silicon Valley, where we're encouraging

(03:09:53):
you to go to noagendadonations.com and help
us out.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
We'll see you all on Thursday.
Until then, adios pofos, hui hui, and such.
The golden age of America begins right now.
Yet it's the biggest bill ever signed of
its kind.
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

(03:10:15):
Sticking it to the libs.
Sticking it to the media.
Sticking it to the elite.
Who is in charge?
We've always known that he, at his hold
on the Republican Party, is firm.
Donald Trump is weaponizing the Department of Justice
against his political enemies, and we are getting
more and more proof every single day.
He now has total control of Washington.

(03:10:38):
President Trump was visibly annoyed after a New
York Post reporter asked about Jeffrey Epstein during
a cabinet meeting.
He says he's been advised to be nice.
He says he doesn't care.
This is the kind of guy you like
to smack in the ass.
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
You better watch out.
You better not cry.
Better get dressed.

(03:10:58):
I'm telling you why.
Prince Andrew is coming to town.
He was on the list and they checked
it twice and then it was gone.
Oh, what a surprise.
Epstein's client list is no more.

(03:11:20):
They saw when he was sleeping.
They knew when he was awake.
And he did really kill himself.
So shut up for goodness sake.
Oh, you better watch out.
You better not cry.

(03:11:40):
Better hide your kids.
I'm telling you why.
Gee, Slane is coming to town.

(03:12:03):
Even though Epstein's passed on now, he still
don't know the names.
He's on the list on bondage.
There's no one close to know him.

(03:12:28):
And the manifesto showed all the answers were
for another CIA.
Now a pissed off Mac will never be
the same.
Don't belong to no one that's ashamed.

(03:12:54):
Max will still in prison safely for a
while.
She won't tell no one no name.
She won't tell no name.
The best podcast in the universe.

(03:13:18):
Adios, mofo.
Dvorak.org slash N-A.
Bye bye.

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