1785 - "Mackerels" - No Agenda Show

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Oh, now you've connected the dots.
Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.
It's Sunday, July 27, 2025.
This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation Media
Assassination Episode 1785.
This is no agenda.
Everything's F.E.G. And we're broadcasting live
from the heart of the Texas Hill Country
here in FEMA Region No.

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6.
Good evening and good morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm fogged
in.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Here's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
Yeah, it must be July in San Francisco.
It happens every year.
Yeah, Bay Area.
Fog.
I wake up, it's foggy.
Cold.

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Oh, boy.
And you know, it has been one of
the mildest summers I've ever witnessed in Hill
Country.
Or in Texas in general.
Global warming.
In Texas in general.
It's just, it's really, it's been nice.
It's been really, really nice.
So I wasn't able to get a clip.
Because no one had anything.

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It started just before we came, before we
got on the air live.
We have a deal.
We have a deal.
We got a huge deal.
Did you hear about the huge deal?
Well, I heard that about an hour ago,
Trump said, I saw the live press conference
and he said, we should have a deal

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in a half an hour.
We had to wait a half an hour.
What was going to change?
Because they were inking the deal.
So it looks like, I think Queen Ursula
folded.
And we got ourselves a deal.
Between the European Union and the United States.

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And President Trump looks very happy.
But it was kind of telegraphed already.
Did you see anything of the European Union
-China summit?
I saw none of it.
Wow.
All of a sudden Queen Ursula is sounding
like President Trump.

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A few figures.
Today the European Union accounts for an impressive
14.5% of China's total exports.
Yet China only represents 8% of our
exports.
These numbers speak to the scale of our
relationship.
But they also expose a growing unbalance.

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It is mostly due to an increasing number
of trade distortions and market access barriers.
But unlike other major markets, Europe keeps its
market open to Chinese goods.
This reflects our long-standing commitment to rules
-based trade.
However, this openness is not matched by China.

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The European Union's trade deficit with China has
doubled in the last decade.
Reaching more than 300 billion euros by now.
We have reached a clear inflection point.
As we said to the Chinese leadership, for
trade to remain mutual beneficial, it must become
more balanced.

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Europe welcomes competition.
We like competition.
But competition has to be fair.
Pretty much the same problem we had.
Well, it's about time they figured it out.
And this was even more interesting.
What did she wave around as the only
other option if China doesn't return to rules

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-based trade?
Everything is, play fair.
Please play fair.
She brought out the T word.
The need to rebalance our relationship is even
more urgent in today's context of the global
rise of tariffs.
As two of the world's largest economies, the
European Union and China share a responsibility to

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uphold and reform the global trading system so
we can keep it open, fair, and grounded
on rules.
This responsibility also extends to upholding international norms,
rules, and institutions.
And this is why we raised the critical
issue of China's support for Russia's war of
aggression against Ukraine.

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This has a direct and dangerous impact on
Europe's security.
And we expressed together our expectations that China
would follow up on our concerns and the
expectation that it would use its influence to
bring Russia to accept a ceasefire, to come
to the negotiation table, enter peace talks, and

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put an end to the bloodshed.
How China continues to interact with Putin's war
will be a determining factor for our relations
going forward.
So the way I see it, China went,
no.
And then she went, oh, okay.
We'll just do business with the United States
then.

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Seems pretty simple to me.
Well, China, this is going to catch up
to them eventually.
Yeah.
They've gotten away with it.
I mean, the Chinese even knew this because
they had talked about turning inward, a Chinese
technique, usual technique of dealing with issues.
What does that mean, turning inward?

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They create their own market and just sell
to themselves.
Isn't that illegal?
What?
Just kidding.
What?
I'm just kidding.
Yeah.
They're going to sell their own stupid solar
panels to themselves?
All right.
Good.
That's what they have too much of.

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They've subsidized all this stuff.
Their whole system is based on overproduction.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then dumping it cheap on other countries
like the EU.
And us.
So I think a big part of this
deal was Europe.
Surprise, surprise.
Europe is going to spend a lot of

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their 700 billion euros earmarked for weapons on
U.S. weapons.
What are the chances?
What are the chances?
Yeah.
Well, that's all we – what else do
we do?
No, we don't.
We sell agricultural products.
We sell that.
They weren't buying that either.

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Apparently, they're going to start buying something.
Supposedly.
Give them our GMO corn.
Let's send them that.
Well, we can send them GMO corn or
a lousy wheat.
All the poisonous stuff we grow.
Yeah.
Send it to them.
So the president is in Scotland today and

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the Scottish are out protesting.
At least that's what the M5M is showing
us.
And what's really interesting, I watched probably 20,
25 minutes of man-on-the-street interviews.
And these are not organized protests.
These are really – they're handmade signs.
Poorly made handmade signs.

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Like, can they not even draw properly there?
And what's interesting is they just hate Trump.
They say, well, we don't like what he's
– no one says what he's doing.
They just hate him.
Listen to this.
I'm very much against everything that Trump stands
for and what he's doing in America.

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So I want people to know, the Americans
know, that we are very much pro them,
their democracy.
But we really want the lies, the falsehoods,
the racism, the fascism to stop.
So that's why we're all – The racism
and the fascism.
Huh?
No, the talking points – I have some

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clips, too, I want to get to.
The talk – which are from NPR, which
will back up your clips.
But these are just American talking points.
These are setups.
This is not real.
This is bullcrap.
Soros or somebody paying some people to stand
around.
They say themselves there's 100 people.
Oh, no, it's a small crowd.

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But it's the same thing as No King's
Day, basically.
Where everyone was just standing around saying, No
King!
Well, what's the problem?
We just don't want a king!
There's nothing.
There's no content.
So that's why we're all demonstrating today.
He shouldn't be here.
You know, we shouldn't give him airtime.
You know, somebody like that, who has those

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standards, I don't think should be welcome in
this country.
I'm here just to show my support for
the people that think the same way as
me.
And basically – I'm just here for the
other people who are here who have no
message.
I detest everything Donald Trump stands for.
You sometimes wonder if, you know, protest works
and people listen to it.

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But that's the only tool that we have
for democracy and to show our dislike of
Donald Trump, basically, and what he stands for.
Shut up!
Don't let them talk.
What are you going blah, blah, blah for?
Because that's blah, blah, blah.
She's not saying anything.
That's the point.

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That's the point.
There's one last guy here who tries to
make a point.
Dislike of Donald Trump, basically, and what he
stands for.
I'm pretty much – I'm an immigrant myself.
I've come from Italy here to Scotland.
And I stand pretty much against everything that
Trump does.
And I think Scotland should reject Trump in

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a strong way.
Because – just to send a signal that
the majority of the people in the world
don't agree with what he's doing in terms
of, like, the genocide in Palestine and the
treatment of immigrants in the U.S. All
right, so Trump is genociding in Israel or
something like that, and the immigrants.

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And that was the only thing – the
only – actually, the president brought two messages
the minute he got off the plane.
Probably both are being celebrated by the people
not holding the signs.
You better get your act together.
You're not going to have Europe anymore.
You've got to get your act together.
And we, you know, as you know, last
month we had nobody entering our country.

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Nobody.
Shut it down.
And we took out a lot of bad
people that got there with Biden.
Biden was a total stiff.
And what he allowed to happen.
But you're allowing it to happen to your
countries.
And you've got to stop this horrible invasion
that's happening to Europe.
Many countries in Europe.
Some people – some leaders have not let

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it happen.
And they're not getting the proper credit.
I could name them to you right now,
but I'm not going to embarrass the other
ones.
But stop – this immigration is killing Europe.
And the other thing, stop the windmills killing
the beauty of your countries.
Thank you very much, everybody.
Stop the windmills.

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That's what they focused on on PBS.
The windmills?
Really?
Well, the EU is still all in on
the green energy transition.
What do you have for me?
Before you go there, I got these clips
of Trump in Scotland.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's do it.
First of all, there's the overview clip we
can play or not play, which is Trump
in Scotland NPR, which is just their general

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clip.
Which doesn't have the good stuff.
Well, we need an overview just for prosperity.
President Trump is in Scotland this weekend, visiting
his golf resorts and meeting with British and
European leaders.
A major security operation is underway for his
visit, with officers around the UK brought in
to support Scottish police.

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But some locals are concerned about the scale
and cost of the operation.
NPR's Fatemeh Al-Qassab reports.
President Trump's visit to his golf courses on
opposite sides of the country has prompted a
major police operation around Scotland, which is expected
to cost Scottish taxpayers millions of dollars.
Kerry Walsh from Glasgow says she's not sure
it's worth it.

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So much is being spent on him being
here, and I don't know what the benefit
of him being here is, if I'm honest.
The Scottish Police Union says resources are stretched,
and it may take officers much longer to
respond to other incidents over the weekend as
a result.
Protesters are planning what they are calling a
festival of resistance to the president's visit.
Oh, well, that's what we heard, a festival
of resistance.

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That's almost a show title.
They're playing into the stereotype of the Scots
being cheap bastards.
With what?
Oh, they're worried about the price.
Oh, it's so expensive.
Oh, yeah.
I thought that was kind of a...
Now we have, we might as well play
the Scott, we have Scott Simon.
Oh, but how could I not be ready

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for that?
I don't know.
How is beyond me?
I don't even know where, here he is.
I need to...
Suffering succotash.
I'm Scott Simon.
President Trump is...
The weekend show up first, but I have
it down here as the first.

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And the clip, the first, there's three clips
here, which has a punchline.
The first NPR Trump in Scotland hit piece.
In Scotland, the home country of his late
mother, President Trump will be playing golf, promoting
the golf resorts he owns there and meeting
with British and European leaders.
But questions about other things have followed him

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there.
Gaza, the Federal Reserve and his dead former
friend, the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Wow.
And there are protests.
Wow, his dead former friend.
Wow.
Oh.
Is that good?
Yeah.
That is good.
His dead former friend, the sex offender Jeffrey
Epstein.

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And there are protesters.
And Pierce Lauren Frayer is at a demonstration
in Edinburgh, joins us from there.
Lauren, thanks for being with us.
Thanks for having me, Scott.
What kind of welcome is the president receiving
in Scotland?
Well, I'm outside the U.S. consulate in
Edinburgh, where several hundred people gathered today.
There are Scottish bagpipers.
One of them is holding a sign that

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says, at least this bag of hot air
serves a purpose.
There are Palestinian flags over the crowd.
I also see a sign that says, Scotland
is already great.
A reference to, you know, making anything great
again.
Protest organizers here call this a festival of
resistance.
Here's protester Niamh Cunvin-Smith.
Why on earth is this convicted felon allowed

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to come into our country and play golf
when the people do not like him?
A recent poll found that more than 70
% of people in Scotland have an unfavorable
view of Trump.
That's higher than across the entire United Kingdom.
People here say they're motivated by Trump's climate
policy.
In fact, some climate protesters actually abseiled, belayed
themselves on ropes down off a bridge here

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last night.
Others say they're protesting U.S. policy in
the Middle East.
Many Scots are also angry at the cost
to taxpayers of Trump's visit here.
And there are even a few Jeffrey Epstein
posters in the mix here.
Yeah, some of the headlines were, convicted felon
visits Scotland.
Oh, those British tabloids.

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It's unbelievable.
This is the kind of hit piece.
It's not news at all.
It's just a hit piece.
And it gets worse, but it doesn't get
to the third clip, which is the real
killer, showing that they're just, they can't even
do a good report.
This is the first NPR Trump in Scotland,
too.
A topic that the president might have hoped
to leave on this side of the Atlantic,
I should think.
Probably, but it's one of the things that
the traveling press asked him about moments after

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Air Force One touched down here last night.
Trump denied ever being briefed that his name
might be in the Epstein files.
He said he has the power to pardon
Epstein's ex, Ghislaine Maxwell, who is in prison,
but that he hasn't thought about doing that.
And he said, if you're going to talk
about Epstein...
Talk about all of his friends.
Talk about the hedge fund guys that were

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with him all the time.
Don't talk about Trump.
So Trump was dodging questions about Epstein here.
But it's not just the media talking about
this.
Scottish protesters stealthily put up a sign outside
of one of Trump's golf resorts here this
week that says, quote, "'Twinned with Epstein Island.'"
The president does have deep family ties to
Scotland.
As we mentioned, his late mother was born

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and raised there.
Do Scots like to consider him a native
son?
Yeah, I mean, his mother was born on
the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides
Islands, a place that Trump once, on a
visit, called Serious Scotland.
Her first language was actually Gaelic.
Trump has long owned golf resorts here, so
Scots have been well acquainted with him for

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a long time, even before he became president.
Trump says he loves Scotland, but he's also
been critical of its environment policy, for example.
He's called for the country to scrap what
he calls windmills, renewable energy wind turbines.
He considers them an eyesore.
He's called on Scotland to double down on
energy from fossil fuels instead.
Oh, man.

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And, of course, Scotland has a huge supply
of fossil fuels off their coast.
Yes.
It's called gas.
I mean, it's a monster, it's a monster
source, and they do, oh, let's put up
some windmills.
It's pretty funny.
And ruin, ruin the seascape.
Ruin is so bad.
So we go to this last clip, which
shows the kind of crappy reporting they're doing

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on NPR, even though they run commercial after
commercial.
I have a couple of them on here
about their needing more money.
This is the first Trump, Scott 3, WTF
clip.
And when you...
See if you can hear the slant, the
way they slant the conclusion.

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Here's an Edinburgh bartender.
I spoke with Cam Page.
I mean, the first thing I saw going
on about it was the windmills and all
that.
I think it's a bit weird that the
first thing he does when he comes here
is just mourning and complaining.
He kind of just wants Trump to butt
out of his country's energy policy.
He never said that.

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He never said that.
At the very end, she makes up a
conclusion the guy never said.
If the guy said he wants Trump to
butt out of his energy policies, why doesn't
she ask the guy on tape?
Why didn't she play that instead of saying
it herself?
Well, she has to justify her reason for
existence in Scotland on this trip, on this
gambit.

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As soon as they said the bartender, I
started clipping it.
I said, oh, but the bartender will be
down to earth.
Joke around.
He says, oh, he didn't say anything other
than what you'd expect from a bartender.
And then she makes up a conclusion.
Oh, it's unbelievable.
NPR, we should defund them.
Oh, wait.
We already did.
Yeah.

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Since we're on these guys, playing a couple
of these clips, this is the way the
show starts.
This clip is the first NPR, Scott and
Alicia.
He's teamed up.
He only works on the weekends, makes $400
,000 plus a year.

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That really bothers you, doesn't it?
We only work two days a week.
We just don't make his kind of money.
We have the same basic deal.
No, everybody at NPR makes $400,000 a
year.
And so they team him up with Alicia,
the black woman who just is a screecher.
And it must, I think they did it

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to torture him, to be honest about it,
because he's kind of old school broadcaster.
But let's listen to this.
Here's the classic opening.
President Trump is in Scotland.
But it can't escape questions about Jeffrey Epstein.
You're making a very big thing over something
that's not a big thing.
I'm Aisha Roscoe.
And I'm Scott Simon, and this is Up

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First from NPR News.
Trump and his allies call it alligator Alcatraz,
the immigration detention center in Florida's Everglades.
Now, people being held there say guards are
abusive.
What do officials say about these allegations?

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Also, there's anxiety about where the economy is
headed, for sure, but the stock market is
hitting record highs.
Why?
Stay with us.
We'll have the news you need.
Why?
Well edited.
Oh, man.
They got some expensive editing going on over
there.
Well, then here, this is the end of

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the way the show ends.
Another thing these people make, they make more
money than typical radio.
This is upfront NPR credits.
And that's Up First for July 26, 2025.
I'm Aisha Roscoe.
And I'm Scott Simon.
Today's podcast was produced by the discerning and

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astute.
Wait, why is he laughing?
Is he laughing because it was produced?
He's laughing because he knows what they're paying.
Oh, no.
I'm Aisha Roscoe.
And I'm Scott Simon.
Today's podcast was produced by the discerning and
astute Elena Turek, with help from Fernando Naro,
who possesses a piercing mind.
Do not face off with them during a

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trivia night.
They will wipe the floor with you.
Our editors are the fantastic four.
Susanna Capilouto, Pahlavi Gogoi, Jacob Benston, and Melissa
Gray.
Maybe they're the fab four.
It's hard to tell because they're certainly here,
there, and everywhere.
Okay, Scott, tell us who else is fab.

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I agree.
That was a little creepy.
David Greenberg, our technical director, and our engineering
support comes from Tom Marchito and Zach Coleman.
Andy Craig is our director, which he does
with the fluid effort of a master.
He makes it look easy, but it's not.
Which is why we have bosses.
Shannon Rhodes, our acting senior supervising editor.

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She's not just acting, she's commanding.
Evie Stone, our executive producer, very commanding.
Jim Kane, our deputy managing editor.
He's our very own Jean-Luc Picard.
When he says, make it so, so we
do it.
Well, that was very bizarre.
Did they have to fill time?
I guess so.
It's only a half hour show and they

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couldn't fill it, I guess.
The people producing that show, how many was
that?
Fifteen.
Oh, I counted fourteen.
Fifteen.
Fifteen plus the two of them.
That's a lot of people.
We have thousands of producers.
Yes, we do.
That's why we're better.
And, dare I say, that's why they call

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us the best podcast in the universe.
Far better than the top 100 from Time.
People are so mad about that.
I can't believe people still care what Time
Magazine says at all.
Is it even a magazine anymore, just an
online website?
Oh, that's a good question.
I think it may just be.
It's a blog.
It's a sub-stack.
I think it's a blog.

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It's a blog.
Yeah.
Well, everyone, you know, a couple people got
to go to Scotland.
So, you know, it's good, I guess.
Yeah.
I guess.
I was looking at one.
Fox sent Jackie Heinrich, I think is her

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name.
And it looks like a completely different person.
Because when she's in the studio or in
the country, she's got professional makeup.
And then she has, I guess, when you're
on the Trump trip, they didn't send a
makeup artist with her.
And it's just like, is this the same
woman?
Well, yeah, makeup can do a lot.

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Well, since NPR could not stop bringing up
Epstein, might as well just play the latest,
which we all pretty much know about by
now.
This morning, President Trump is calling the Jeffrey
Epstein controversy a scam, accusing Democrats of using
unreleased court records to distract from his political
success.
Trump comparing the investigation to the so-called

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Russia hoax, saying, quote, they have gone absolutely
crazy.
Adding, as things are revealed, and I hope
will take place quickly, you will see that
it is yet another Democrat con job.
But the pressure to release the files is
a bipartisan effort, Democrats and Republicans demanding answers.
I want all the information out.
Just put everything out.
Make it as transparent as you can.

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Release the damn files.
The Justice Department searching for answers of its
own.
Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch meeting with Epstein's
convicted co-conspirator, Galen Maxwell.
Well, she answered all the questions and answered
them honestly.
The closed-door meeting lasted six hours yesterday
and is expected to resume today.
Blanch's meeting with the convicted sex trafficker is

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part of the Justice Department's effort to uncover,
quote, information about anyone who has committed crimes
against victims.
Those sources say it was Maxwell who reached
out to the DOJ to request the meeting.
She's currently appealing her conviction to the Supreme
Court.
There were a lot of questions, and we
went all day.
And she answered every one of them.
She never just said, I'm not going to

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answer, never declined.
And she answered them all truthfully.
Oh, Joe, you answered every question.
Truthfully.
I had another report.
This one.
Yeah, hold on.
President Trump is spending the weekend at his
golf resort in Scotland, where he will celebrate
the opening of a new golf course.
Next week, he will hold meetings on trade

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with European leaders.
The trip comes as here at home, Trump
continues to face questions about Jeffrey Epstein.
People should really focus on how well the
country is doing, or they should focus on
the fact that Barack Hussein Obama led a
coup.
In Florida, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch, a
former Trump criminal defense lawyer, has now conducted

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two closed-door meetings with Epstein's co-conspirator,
Ghislaine Maxwell, in an effort to quiet criticisms
the administration is blocking access to.
How does that even quell criticism?
I think it only riles it up.
To quiet criticisms the administration is blocking access
to the Epstein files.

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Maxwell is serving a 20-year prison term.
Defense Attorney David Marcus said that she is
cooperating freely.
We haven't asked her anything.
This is not a situation where we're asking
anything in return for testimony or anything like
that.
Yet the media have raised questions.
I'll play that again.
Okay.
Yeah, it's kind of odd the way he

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said that.
Here we go.
What do you mean we haven't asked her
anything?
I thought he just said they talked to
her for days on end.
What I think he's referring to is we
haven't asked her to do anything like quid
pro quo.
Yeah, I understand that's maybe what he meant,
but that's not what he said.
Well, listen to the whole sentence.
Cooperating freely.

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This is not a situation where we're asking
anything in return for testimony or anything like
that.
Yet the media have raised questions.
Liz Oyer, a former U.S. pardon attorney,
was fired from the Justice Department in March.
There's every reason to believe that they are
seeking to make some sort of deal with
Maxwell that will help them solve this political

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crisis.
The president was asked if he is considering
a pardon for Maxwell.
A lot of people are asking me about
pardons.
Obviously, this is no time to be talking
about pardons.
On Friday, a plane flew a banner over
the courthouse meeting site accusing the president and
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi of a
cover-up.
The president has called the scandal a hoax

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by the Democrats.
It's a hoax.
It's a hoax.
Hoax.
And so, of course, he keeps telling everybody
to look at the coup.
What's the hoax part?
I don't mind him calling what the Democrats
are doing a hoax, but what specifically is
a hoax here?
Well, from the way I listen and hear
the president, something in the papers is a

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hoax.
The papers are a hoax.
It's a hoax.
It's the list.
It's a hoax.
It's all a hoax.
I don't know.
And I don't think we will ever really
know.
I did dig up—it's very short, unfortunately—in the
archives, because the accusation against former President Obama
is that he led a coup.

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And the way he led that coup, if
you listen to Tulsi Gabbard's endless yakking— Oh,
man.
She's on every show.
There's that sigh.
I'll just have an apple.
Every single show.
What she's really saying is that the intelligence

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community came with an ICA, an intelligence community
assessment, and said, well, there's really no there
there.
And then President Obama said, you voted wrong.
Go back and get me another assessment.
And this was admitted by the Dumbo clapper.

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And this is him back in the day
on Tapper's show.
For President Obama, we might not have done
the intelligence community assessment that we did that
set off a whole sequence of events which
are still unfolding today.
President Obama is responsible for that, and it
was he who tasked us to do that
intelligence community assessment in the first place.

(29:26):
Oh, there's Clapper.
Oh, that's a clip of the day.
Give yourself a round of applause for digging
up a historical clip.
That was a winner.
How good is that?
That's outstanding.
No one has played that clip.
That is the best thing we've done for
weeks.
Oh, well, we've done other great things.
We have definitely.

(29:46):
That's the best right there.
Oh, come on.
Your tip of the day about mellow leather
was good.
Leather honey.
Mellow leather.
Whatever.
That's a soft drink, I think.
So there's something that's bothering me about this
whole thing because they're always going, they're making
a big fuss about, oh, the intelligence community

(30:08):
is corrupt, and these guys are, you know,
they're making a big fuss.
It seems to me that I don't understand
why the pundits out there and the people
doing this analysis don't say what's actually happened.
The intelligence community, and I'm not here to
defend them, but they did their job.
They said there's no collusion going on, and

(30:29):
it was Brennan who was, yeah, he was
a part of the intelligence community in a
certain way, but he was running the agency,
and he was a political guy, and who
knows.
And no one has still ever asked him
if he's a Muslim or not, which really
irks me, because if you look up, go
to all the AI and ask if John
Brennan is a Muslim.
No, I'm not going to any AI.
I'm not going to the AI.
Go anywhere and try to find out whether

(30:51):
he's a Muslim.
You find that there's evidence that he is,
but they all deny it.
And no reporter has ever said, hey, just
to clear up the record, are you a
Muslim?
Because they say that when you were in
Saudi Arabia as a station chief in Riyadh,
you took the oath to uphold the tenets

(31:11):
of Islam.
Yes or no?
It's not a big deal.
Just ask him.
No one's done it.
But this guy's the one.
He was the corrupt character there in front
that was running the agency.
The field people, the people that were the
analysts who were doing their job, they kept
reporting back, no, this is bullcrap.
Nothing's going on with Russia.

(31:32):
And they said, well, you better get me
a report.
He handpicked a couple of guys that would
do his bidding.
You can't blame intelligence community for this.
Well, I don't think they're any good.
Well, that's different.
Dan Bongino posted a shocking, shocking, shocking memo

(31:53):
on X.
This is how the headlines advertise it.
I shall read it for you.
Shocking.
I shall read it for you verbatim.
During my tenure here as the deputy director
of the FBI.
This is great.
Yeah, I'm glad you got this.
I have repeatedly relayed to you that things
are happening that might not be immediately visible,

(32:14):
but they are happening.
The director and I are committed to stamping
out public corruption and the political weaponization of
both law enforcement and intelligence operations.
It is a priority for us.
But what I have learned in the course
of our properly predicated and necessary investigations into
these aforementioned matters has shocked me down to

(32:35):
my core.
We cannot run a republic like this.
I will never be the same after learning
what I've learned.
We are going to conduct these righteous and
proper investigations by the book.
That, by the way, is exactly what Susan
Rice wrote down in her Cover Your Ass
memo.
By the book.
I think that's a callback to that.

(32:56):
And in accordance with the law, we are
going to get the answers we all deserve.
As with any investigation, I cannot predict where
it will land, but I can promise you
an honest and dignified effort at truth.
Not my truth or your truth, but the
truth.
God bless America and all those who defend
her.

(33:16):
Code Bongino.
What is that?
That was nuts.
I saw that.
That's not so great.
All caps, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
A lot of all caps in there.
I think he's getting a lot of pressure.
You think?

(33:37):
And to go back to podcasting, go back
to podcasting where you belong kind of thing,
where he was doing very well.
He was great.
Code Bongino.
Everyone knows it.
It still gives you a discount on many
websites.
And I, as of a month or so
ago, thought that that's where his head at.
He was headed back to the biz.

(33:58):
But I think this may be his rationale,
his rationale to stick around and be a
desk jockey, which is what he is.
So Mike Baker was on Joe's show.
You know, Mike Baker, a quote, former CIA
operative.
Mike Baker is to me, because he took

(34:19):
over that job.
Presidential Daily Briefing.
Yeah.
And it's lame by comparison to what it
was originally with the other guy.
Why did he take over?
What is that about?
Because the other guy, there's something, I had
to go back to my notes to figure
out why the other guy quit.
I know what it is.
He said, hey, give me that.
Give me that thing.

(34:39):
Give me that briefing thing.
What's that in your mouth?
No, I don't think that was it.
The other guy was being, it's owned by
some other guys.
It's like one of these operations.
It's like Beck or somebody owns it.
Not Beck, but somebody like Beck.
And I think Mike Baker is central casting
more than he is a spook.
He just looks the part.

(35:03):
He looks like Pierce Brosnan.
He's got a look to him that is
just like, oh, okay, I'm a spy.
What are those other two guys?
What's his name?
The guy with the big braids, the big
poofy hair.
He is a former, what is his name?

(35:28):
Everydayspy.com.
Andrew Bustamante.
Oh, yeah, Bustamante.
That guy, I don't know.
F and G right there, fake and gay,
G-H-E-Y.
And he was talking to another guy with
the same hair.
It's a hair club for men.
It totally is some kind of hair club
for men.

(35:50):
Anyway, so Mike Baker is on Joe's show.
I get to say Joe.
Joe, my buddy.
Joe, Joe.
You haven't gotten to Joey yet.
Oh, no, no, no.
There's no Joey in Joe.
We don't do that.
And so that's, of course, and Joe has
him on for obvious reasons.

(36:10):
It's the perfect time for that, for Baker
to come on because, you know, we all
trust Baker.
But Baker made an interesting point.
The reality is in terms of recruiting an
asset, recruiting an asset by using blackmail is
tough.
That window starts closing immediately in terms of
their operational usefulness because there's a lot of

(36:34):
issues there.
When someone says right like that all the
time, that just means bull crap to me,
right?
Right, right, right, like any Silicon Valley guy.
This is really the future, right?
This is really going to change the whole
world, right?
That window starts closing immediately, right, in terms
of their operational usefulness because there's a lot

(36:56):
of issues there, right?
You're blackmailing somebody for their cooperation.
At some point, that's going to go south
on you, right?
It's not like you've recruited somebody for ideological
reasons, right, or even something as straightforward as
like they need the money because their kid's
sick or whatever it may be.
So blackmail is like, but having said that,
look, the Russians in particular love that, right?

(37:18):
Okay, so I didn't even realize how many
times he says right, which is now annoying
me to no end.
It should.
Oh, it's really bad.
But what he does here is he –
and this feels a bit like a setup
to me.
And I think that there's some validity to

(37:38):
that, that to turn someone to become an
asset with blackmail may indeed not be a
very secure way.
It may be a great way to get
someone to change their vote.
To vote a certain way.
To vote a certain way.
And I don't know if we're really talking
about turning people into assets, right?
But he brings up Russia at least five

(38:01):
times, and I think it was subliminal, right?
But having said that, look, the Russians in
particular love that, right?
And Chinese intel, they'll do whatever works from
their perspective.
You know, the agency – again, people are
going to say that's bullshit.
The agency tries – the blackmail is –

(38:22):
I've got to dissect this guy now.
Why would he say people are going to
say that's bullshit?
I didn't think that.
Did you think that right away?
No.
And why do you stutter, Stan?
They – he's like all – he's wound
up.
Yes, he is.
Oh, they'll do whatever works from their perspective.

(38:42):
You know, the agency – again, people are
going to say that's bullshit.
The agency tries – the blackmail is never
really ever on the table as an option
because it always leads to a problem.
And sometimes those problems can be very, very
bad.
And what do you mean by this?
Well, you know, the asset will turn on
you, right?

(39:02):
The next thing they know, you know, you've
got an agent working now, a double agent
working for the other side, right?
Because they're just so fucked over by the
fact that they've been blackmailed.
And at some point they lose their shit
and decide to roll for the other side.
But aren't you, like, constantly monitoring them and
looking at their phone?
There's only so much you can do, right,

(39:23):
in terms of maintaining – particularly with a
hard target, particularly with an asset who's in
a difficult or challenging environment, you know, and
you've got limited access to them, whatever it
may be.
So you're really relying on clandestine communications.
You don't have a lot of face-to
-face meetings.
And at some point you never know when
things are heading south, right?

(39:43):
And then the next thing you know, look
– so that's the operational reason for trying
to avoid blackmail, right?
Has it ever been done?
Well, sure, yeah.
I mean, I'm not saying it hasn't been
done.
Of course.
But some services go to it much quicker
than others do.
Which services?
Well, again, the Russians are primary users of
something like that.

(40:04):
Because they've got a shotgun approach.
Israelis have been known to do that in
the honeypot operations that they'll do and other
things.
But the Russians throw a lot of shit
at the wall and see what sticks, right?
It's very much a shotgun approach.
I don't know.
He said Russia too much for my liking.
He said right too much for my liking.
He's stammering.
Now, it's possible that he's – I mean,

(40:27):
when you hear a guy present like that,
he might still be working for the CIA
or someone because he seems to be –
I think that pattern of that style is
that you're constantly worried that you're going to
say something you shouldn't say.
And I think that's what accounts for the
stammering, which is a way of stalling without

(40:49):
slowing down because he can't seem to slow
down.
He's all jacked up on something.
So it was basically a meaningless discussion.
Right.
Right.
And the coincidence of him – We learned
nothing.
We learned nothing from that discussion except that
maybe blackmail is not the way to go.

(41:09):
And I'm thinking it was probably a reasonable
point.
Who's been blackmailed?
Has he been blackmailed?
Someone's been blackmailed in this process.
Someone's being blackholed somewhere.
I mean blackmailed.
Mistake with cornhole.
Yeah.
The whole thing is – I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know if we'll ever know.

(41:29):
It's all so disappointing.
That's just the bottom line.
That's the name of the game.
It's disappointing.
It's just disappointing.
I was talking to Tina about that.
It's like 17 and a half years, seven
years before I even knew you.
I was all in on this stuff.
This is going to be great.
We're going to learn so much.
It's all going to come out in the
wash.

(41:50):
Nothing ever.
Ever.
And really the biggest psyop that's been going
on since I'd say 2019, which is still
going on today, is XRP.
Ripple.
XRP.

(42:10):
Do you – I mean you may not
recall, but I think I brought it up
on the show.
Probably jokingly even at the time.
Like, look, I know a guy.
He's involved with all this money, and the
money is all going into XRP.
They have quantum networks.
They have off-world servers.
Oh, yeah.
Off-world servers.
Off-world servers.
That's my favorite.
Yeah.

(42:31):
They're on the moon.
And to this day, people are still –
Oh, no.
XRP is going to 1,000.
And that has been around so long.
It's all these kinds of things.
But it's quantum finances.
You don't understand.
This is the stuff you don't get.
Okay?
Quantum finances.
Yeah.

(42:51):
The term you don't get it was very
prevalent in the late 90s.
With what?
Under what circumstance?
The new economy.
Oh, the new economy.
Yes.
You don't get it, man.
This is the new economy, okay?
This is a whole new thing.

(43:11):
I was doing the show Silicon Spin, and
these guys would come on, and they were
intelligent CEOs.
And they had these crackpot ideas, and they
were going on and on.
And I would say – and I'd be
questioning them as best I could.
And they said, well, you just don't get
it because it's the new economy.
Yeah.
If things are going to change – Clicks
and mortar, man.
Clicks and mortar.
Clicks and – Ah!

(43:32):
Clicks and mortar.
I forgot about that one.
What other buzzwords did we have back in
the day?
Oh, I did a whole column of them.
I have to go dig.
I should dig it up.
It's from the late 90s, and it has
like 100 of them.
And there was just one after the other.
They had nothing.
It was buzzword – it was the buzzword
bonanza of the late 90s.
It was fabulous.

(43:55):
Yeah.
So I got to – just you want
to take a – Sorry.
Walk down an interesting topic.
Okay.
This is about the post office.
I have some post office clips, but I
want to start it off with an Ask
Adam.
Another thing I was completely unprepared for.
Okay.
I got you on your heels.

(44:17):
Yeah.
Vivek.
Here it is.
All right.
Okay.
I'm ready now.
Ask Adam.
Answer the question.
Go.
All right.
Okay.
First play the Ask Adam question, and I'll
ask you the question.
On this day 250 years ago, the Continental
Congress appointed the first postmaster general of the

(44:37):
United States.
Okay.
250 years ago.
Who was it?
The first – Yep.
Paul Revere.
Nice try.
Let me think.
The first postmaster general.
Don't look it up.
No, I'm not looking it up.
Who do you take me for?
Right?
Right.
Because it seems like it's probably going to

(44:59):
be something very obvious.
250 years ago, so that was before the
declaration of – before the – Yeah, I
was right about the same time.
As the declaration.
I have no idea.
I presume you have it in the answer.
Yep.
On this day 250 years ago, the Continental
Congress appointed the first postmaster general of the

(45:19):
United States, Benjamin Franklin.
Ah, somehow I could have known that.
I don't know how because I could have
known it too because when I heard it,
that's why I came with the Ask Adam.
It feels so logical.
For some reason it feels logical.
There's some logic to it, but then there's
some illogic to it.
I was kind of taking it back enough
to put that up.

(45:41):
So just to embarrass you, so that you
don't know anything.
And the thing is, I don't feel embarrassed
at all.
So fail.
It's funny.
Absolutely fail.
It's funny how that works.
I did not at all feel embarrassed.
All right.
So post office.
Post office now is – because Trump is
a problem with the post office.
Why is he a problem with the post

(46:02):
office?
He wants to privatize it and this is
no good.
No, no, no.
I mean don't you have to change the
constitution?
You basically have to change the constitution.
But it's just – there's workarounds and they're
thinking about them and it's just like, no,
don't mess with it.
The post office is fine.
But let's play these clips.

(46:22):
There's three clips here that kind of give
us what's going on currently.
David Steiner is the latest person.
Is Scott – is he on the vacation
shift or the summer shift?
These are Saturday clips.
He's on Saturday.
He runs Saturday.
We have not heard him for weeks and
here he is in two series.
David Steiner is the latest person to hold

(46:43):
the office.
He is the 77th postmaster general.
Before taking office last week, he served on
the board of FedEx.
Personal detail that reignites some worries about postal
reforms that some fear could limit or end
rural mail service.
The Midwest Newsroom's Nick Loomis has more on
that and a note, USPS is a financial

(47:04):
supporter of NPR.
Gwen Smith walks from her front door to
her mailbox and back six days a week.
It's about a quarter mile.
I would say it's a relatively short trip
to the mailbox for us rural folks.
She lives outside Scotts Bluff, Nebraska with her
husband, Alan, who is recovering from surgery for
liver cancer.
He also suffers from diabetes, arthritis and the
lingering effects of West Nile virus.

(47:26):
The former Navy corpsman gets most of his
medications through the mail from Veterans Affairs.
Former Postmaster General Louis DeJoy curtailed rural mail
service with his Delivering for America plan, which
he introduced in 2021 to stem annual losses
in the billions.

(47:47):
Still, the deficits persist and mail delivery is
slower due to a reduction in work hours,
collection time changes and the consolidation of processing
facilities.
Alan Smith worries about those changes and cuts
made to many other government programs.
It feels to me like it's coming at
me right and left.
They're trying to destroy everything that supports me

(48:07):
staying alive and functioning.
President Trump has suggested privatizing the postal service
in both of his terms.
Most recently, he has said it could be
brought under the Department of Commerce.
Congress set up the agency to be independent
of the White House in 1971 and undoing
that would require further legislation.
Even though this Congress has mostly adhered to
Trump's agenda, the postal service is a touchy

(48:29):
political subject for lawmakers from rural states, like
Republican Congressman Mike Flood of Nebraska.
Can it be modernized?
Absolutely.
Should it be privatized?
I'd have to be sold on what the
plan was before we went anywhere near that
because I know people in rural Nebraska rely
on the postal service in its current form.
And currently, the postal service self-finances and

(48:50):
generally does not count on tax dollars to
fill its budget gaps.
I don't really understand why the postal service
is always under fire.
It says it self-finances.
They're not even using taxpayer money when I
heard that part of it, besides the other
parts of that crazy clip.
I'm thinking, why not?

(49:11):
I mean, the government costs us money.
We all know it.
Everything costs money.
And they're throwing money away on USAID for
gay sex in Guatemala and they can't pay
for the post office's deficit?
It makes no sense to me.
Gay sex in Guatemala.
Was that really a line item in USAID?

(49:31):
I think it was, yeah.
I'll have to check Doge.
Yeah, it just seems like the only thing
it can be is somebody wants to give
somebody a penny by privatizing, i.e. giving
it to some other company.
That's what it's all about.
There's some scam afoot.
And that's what's happened all over Europe.

(49:52):
DHL has taken over a lot of the
postal services around the world, actually.
Oh, they can do it much more efficiently.
They can't.
What makes them more efficient?
Nothing.
They just charge more.
Do you see what it costs to send
something with FedEx?
Oh, the FedEx is out of control.
What used to be like, I think it

(50:12):
was $6, $8, the letters, which was still
pricey.
It's like $25.
Yeah, just for afternoon delivery.
Yeah, it's no good.
All right, post office 2.
Elena Patel of the Brookings Institution says it
might be time to reconsider that because it
provides a public service.
Yeah, bring in a think tank.
Okay.
We should be willing to compensate the postal

(50:34):
service for doing that, and we do not
currently.
We don't come close to offsetting the costs
of the USO for the postal service.

(50:58):
I think that people in the administration think
this is the right thing to do.
I'm not sure that the American people or
American business owners think that.
In February, Wells Fargo wrote a report outlining,
among other things, how mail and parcel delivery
could be divvied up among the government and
private companies like FedEx and UPS.
A Wells Fargo spokesperson said in a statement

(51:21):
that it was not recommending privatization.
However, the American Postal Workers Union thought the
report was controversial enough to release an ad
about it.
This is the Wall Street memo that the
White House doesn't want you to see.
A path to privatization of the post office.
Union President Mark Dimenstein says the timing of
the ad coincides with the 250th anniversary of

(51:42):
the postal service and the arrival of the
new postmaster general, David Steiner, whose appointment was
backed by Trump, as reported by the Washington
Post.
It's the old saying, you know, the fox
guarding the henhouse.
Steiner left the board of FedEx to take
the job, but a Securities and Exchange Commission
filing shows he retained company stock worth millions.
Oh, no!

(52:03):
Scoundrel!
He's going to sell the stock, but it's
beside the point.
That's bullcrap, you know.
I've always argued this, you know, if you
worry, I worked for an oil refinery and
then I worked for the air pollution district
inspecting refineries.
And all it meant was that I now
was on the other side of the fence
and I knew a lot.
So, I mean, I knew more than someone

(52:23):
who's never worked at a refinery.
It's a benefit.
It was better.
What was the original, back in Ben's days,
what was the original charter of the postal
service?
What was the idea?
The idea was it was important to have
a society that had communications that was kind

(52:45):
of franchised by the government.
So, everyone was assured that if you had
to get a hold of somebody or send
somebody something or mail obligations or whatever, it
was for communications purposes.
Thank you.
No, thank you.
This is good.
It wasn't about your Amazon packages.
It wasn't about your beef box.

(53:06):
It wasn't even about your phone book.
Remember those?
It was really about a private communications service.
And that's why there's...
That would benefit the country.
And that's why there's such heavy regulation on
tampering with the U.S. mail.
You can't go opening up people's envelopes.
Right.
It's illegal.
It's illegal.

(53:27):
And they'd love to get rid of that.
Well, what if the U.S., and this
is what I would be all for this.
What if the U.S. Postal Service modernized,
give all the packages to FedEx and Amazon
and UPS and whatever.
It's fine.
Figure that out.

(53:48):
Because actually, I think the returns probably kill
everybody.
But what if the U.S. Postal Service
ran an email service that was...
And they made it easy for everybody to
encrypt their messages on their side.
So, none of this like, oh, don't worry,
we'll encrypt it in the cloud.

(54:08):
None of that.
Just encrypt it on your side.
And once someone has...
If I want to send you an email,
I have to have your public key.
They could provide that directory service.
So, you can easily find someone's public key.
And then you can receive it.
And we can have true, secure communications.

(54:30):
And at the same time, with the brand
new stablecoin, they charge a very nominal fee
for sending a message to someone.
Which would do two things.
One, it would, in theory, provide a real
secure communication service.

(54:50):
And this can be done.
I believe that it can be done without
the government still spying on you.
And two...
The government wants to spy on you, but
continue.
And two, it would reduce spam, because spam
would then become unprofitable.
And even if it was just for bull
crap, I would love to have an email

(55:11):
box that works with...
So, if I send 100 emails, I might
wind up spending 10 cents.
It's fractional.
It's digital.
So, you can take your stablecoin, and you
can break it down into little stablecoinlets, or
whatever we're going to call it.
Pennies.
Less than pennies.
It has to be less than pennies.

(55:31):
Well, a stablecoin is supposed to represent a
dollar.
Yeah, but a fraction.
Well, that would be like representing a penny.
Okay, boomer.
Is it going to get smaller than that?
Is that what you're saying?
Half a penny?
Yes.
How about a hundredth of a penny?
Of course.
That's the whole beauty of digital money.
And that way, at least we could have

(55:52):
a functioning email system, which would be reasonably
secured.
At least the only one who could be
spying on you is the government.
Google is worse.
You won't get advertisements through it.
I'm just thinking that would be a great
way to replace the U.S. postal system.
Get it off our books.

(56:12):
Get all the other stuff.
Don't privatize it.
Just, here, we're not doing it anymore.
You guys, by the way, you'll see them
all go, Oh, what?
We don't get government contract?
No, you got to do it yourself.
I would be all for that.
I think that would revolutionize interpersonal communications.
Yeah, it would, but it's not going to

(56:33):
happen.
The FBI would be against it.
Everybody would be against it.
Who runs this country?
The people or the FBI?
It ain't the people.
All right.
Well, I think it's a platform I could
run on.
You could.

(56:53):
I mean, I think it'd pay up to
a penny.
Well, that'd be fine.
I'd pay a penny a message if I
knew it was going to get through instead
of getting blocked and spammed and thrown into
junk mail like the newsletter is.
Hold on.
Let me ask you the question.
So, if it's a penny, which is what
you are advocating for, instead of my fraction
of a penny, and you're sending out 30

(57:14):
,000 newsletters, how much will that cost you
per newsletter?
A penny a newsletter.
No, per person a penny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, how many dollars is that?
$300?
$300.
It'd be $100.
No, it'd be $30.

(57:35):
No.
No.
It would be $300.
It'd be $300.
Yeah.
Do you still like your penny, or do
you like my fraction of a penny idea
better?
Well, for $300, if I could, well, I
would actually say for $300, it'd be worth
it to get the rate doubled.
Uh-huh.

(57:56):
So, we'd bring in twice as much in
donations.
It would be worth the $300 easy.
There you go.
I've proven my point.
No, you haven't.
I've proven something.
You wouldn't have to pay MailChimp.
You could just have your own email server.
MailChimp costs us at least, what, $100 a
month at least?

(58:17):
Try $400.
Holy mackerel.
$400 a month for MailChimp?
Yeah.
And you know why?
It's because they have to pay the whitelisting
services so you can even get through to
Gmail and Yahoo and AOL or whatever else
is out there.
AOL.
Prodigy.
So, you can get their prodigy mail.

(58:39):
CompuServe.
Yeah.
Anyway, that was just an idea.
Just a free idea from Adam for the
government to fix everything, to stop this nonsense
and get Scott Simon back to drinking margaritas
on the weekend.
Clip number three.
The Postal Service Board of Governors chairwoman told

(59:00):
NPR that Steiner is in the process of
divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks.
And in his first message to postal workers,
Steiner tried to— Wait, stop, stop, stop.
Why did he have to say, quote?
I don't know.
It's what you do.
He's going to divest from, quote, prohibited stocks.
Why did he just say they have to

(59:21):
divest from prohibited stocks?
There's no reason for him to say, quote.
Is it like some sort of a—it's like
air quotes and he's like, oh, prohibited is
bullcrap.
It's a scam.
That's what it implies.
Maybe the guy said it that way.
That's the way I took it.
Let's listen again.
I don't think so.
Let's listen again.
The Postal Service Board of Governors chairwoman told

(59:43):
NPR that Steiner is in the process of
divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks.
And in his first message to postal workers,
Steiner tried to dispel rumors about the changes
he would bring.
First, I do not believe the Postal Service
should be privatized or that it should become
an appropriated part of the federal government.
Postal unions say they welcome the statement, but
we'll be watching Steiner's actions.

(01:00:05):
Rural customers will likely do the same.
For NPR News, I'm Nick Loomis in Lincoln,
Nebraska.
I'm thinking— Hold on.
So the whole story was bogus.
Yes, of course it was.
It starts with a bunch of stuff and
then it ends with the guy saying, no,
that's not going to happen.
Why are you even doing the story is
what he should have finished with.
Because they got a $400,000-a-year
guy sitting on his butt drinking margaritas on

(01:00:26):
the weekend.
They got to get Scott Simon out to
do some work.
Unbelievable.
I think I should lobby to be the
next postmaster general.
It would be so easy.
Shut it down.
You can take all of our employees.
They're good employees.
They're good guys.
Good guys and good gals.

(01:00:47):
Actually, I'd say 99% of them are.
I agree.
Oh, definitely.
I love our mail carrier.
They're fantastic people.
I like the people at the post office.
They're very friendly.
Not all, but most of them.
They are here.
Not all.
There's always one.
We used to have a post office.
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
I would be the podmaster general.

(01:01:08):
Okay.
I'm going to skip that story.
Let's do what else we got here.
Oh, here's an interesting thing.
Since I got most of these NPR clips,
you have to listen to this NPR beeped.
This is a very short clip, and I'm
scratching my head over this one.

(01:01:31):
Okay.
A quick warning.
There are curse words that are un-beeped
in today's episode of the show.
If you prefer a beeped version, you can
find that at our website.
Thisamericanlife.org.
What?
Beeps.
Well, this must be the podcast.
This wasn't over the air, I presume.
They do not.
It was taken off the internet, but it
was on a website that streams the over

(01:01:53):
-the-air feed.
Well.
But I guess they never played that show
anyway, so I couldn't tell if they were
cussing or not.
And what did they bleep, and why?
Well, why didn't you investigate?
Why didn't you do a deep dive?
A deep dive.
I thought that was good enough right there.
Deep dive.
I did all the work I felt like
doing.
Are you trying to just get as many

(01:02:14):
NPR clips as possible before they fold?
It's all going to go away.
It's all going to go away.
It's not going to go away because here,
you stuck me on this.
NPR new donation ad, it's not going to
go away with ads like this.
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You can make your gift at donate.npr
.org, and thank you.

(01:02:55):
Thank you.
Yes.
That's a horrible ask.
They brand these ads, I'd say half of
the programming now are these ads.
It's a horrible ask.
It's not a way to ask.
It's no good.
It's no good.
All right.
Ball's in your court.
Okay.

(01:03:16):
Well, in that case, I'll go to my
favorite topic.
We know that there's already a pivot to
quantum computing because- Oh, God, you're not
going to go there.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Let's do more NPR.
No, you can go to quantum, but you're
going to hear a lot of moaning and
groaning.
Okay.

(01:03:36):
Well, this is only about the facts.
Another heat wave this week as ComEd customers
in the Chicago area bear not only rising
temperatures, but sky-high electric bills, some reporting
paying double what they were billed last month.
On June 1st, a supply rate increase took
effect due to a spike in the wholesale
cost of electricity and supply charge, as well

(01:03:59):
as increased energy use in the region.
One reason for that increase?
We're also seeing nationally, but also in Illinois,
the effect of increasing demand on the grid
from technologies that have nothing to do with
cooling people off.
It has to do with providing services related
to artificial intelligence or AI, so data centers
that we see building out across the nation.

(01:04:21):
We are not going to be operating quantum
computers, at least not yet.
We're going to be delivering power to them.
Just yesterday, the CEO of ComEd spoke at
the Global Quantum Forum in Illinois, referencing the
future demand of electricity at the Illinois Quantum
Microelectronics Park.
Quantum computers need to be kept at temperatures

(01:04:44):
near absolute zero to ensure the stability of
qubits.
Qubits!
We have to ensure the stability of the
qubits!
Turn off your air conditioners!
Temperatures near absolute zero to ensure the stability
of qubits.
That requires a lot of electricity.

(01:05:04):
Oh, please.
In fact, ComEd's nation-leading reliability was a
key factor in PsiQuantum's decision to be the
anchor tenant of the Illinois Quantum and Microelectronics
Park.
This is the dumb—this shows you how dumb
they are in some parts of this country.
This is Chicago.

(01:05:25):
This is Darin's backyard.
Yeah.
But this is happening everywhere.
A couple of points.
One, you think that maybe the grid is
being taxed by electrical vehicles that are constantly
hooked to it, sucking energy off to fill
their tanks?
No, it's got nothing to do with it.
Also, quantum computing, if it could ever be

(01:05:46):
shown to work, as opposed to faked, it
uses like one quintillion as much—it could do
one quintillion more than a regular computer.
So thus, overall, it should require one quintillion
less in terms of power.

(01:06:07):
It seems to me it should use like
a nine-volt battery should keep it going
for all the work it can do.
You are talking against the narrative of Silicon
Valley, my friend.
This is not how—that's how technology used to
work.
Today, if you want it to do more,
you've got to pay more.
It's got to be more expensive, got to
suck more power.

(01:06:28):
So the basic old school of Silicon Valley
was things got cheaper and faster and cheaper
and faster and smaller.
Smaller, cheaper, faster.
Every generation was smaller.
It was cheaper.
It was faster.
But now?
Well, I think Apple showed us that that's
not the way.

(01:06:48):
Every new iPhone is more expensive, ruins your
battery quicker, and you've got to upgrade sooner.
They flipped the script on this.
I know.
I mean, I'm with you, obviously.
I mean, I still have a TRS-100
that runs on two AA's.

(01:07:08):
TRS-100.
The TRS-100.
Yeah, those things that didn't use much juice.
Well, it only had an eight-line LCD
display, but man, it could do basic.
I've actually been doing some deep dives.
Oh, God.
There is a resurgence—are you ready for this?

(01:07:29):
Because— I'm already sensing what you're going to
say.
Okay, tell me.
A resurgence in old junk.
No.
People are finding old TRS-8100s and they're
repurposing them.
If only.
No, I want to run Linux.
I want to run Ubuntu on my TRS
-100.
Actually, that's what I would think.
People want to run Ubuntu on a TRS

(01:07:51):
-100.
No.
Okay.
There's, you know, AI—let's just call it AI—large
language models.
It turns out that it's pretty much the
same basic principles going back to 1958 when

(01:08:14):
a guy named John McCarthy invented—take it away,
John.
I don't know what—well, John McCarthy—there's two schools—before
you go on to this, I'm going to
say this one thing, and I know what
you're doing.
But John McCarthy was on the wrong side
of history.
There were two schools of thought when it

(01:08:36):
came to AI.
And every time the John McCarthy side had
its moment, which was including the 80s, they
all failed because it was mostly machine learning
and it didn't really have anything to do
with anything.
And the counter to that was always neural
networks, which could never work.

(01:08:56):
It's neural networks that are working today that
make AI what it is, that can do
the art and all the rest of it.
Interestingly enough, there is a resurgent in LISP
programming because they can't seem to get the
AI going any further than it is today.
Yeah, we'll see.
I'm just telling you.
There was a whole conference not— LISP programming.

(01:09:19):
Yes, LISP.
Yeah.
Yes.
Everyone's all-time favorite.
I'm just telling you that they just had
a worldwide conference.
The AI guys are going back to LISP
because they can't seem to get the neural
networks doing any intelligence other than the neural
networks, which is giving you, you know, your

(01:09:42):
Scaramanga, his eight-second videos, and Darren O
'Neill, his orange images.
And I would like to say—by the way,
I have a comment on the orange images.
I would suggest that somebody show—use LISP and
create some of the art that Darren creates
with just a few prompts.
What?
Did you not hear what I just said?

(01:10:02):
That the neural networks, they are definitely responsible—I'll
say it again—for Scaramanga's eight-second videos.
I'm saying yes.
And if—I'm not arguing that.
What I'm saying is that if the LISP
is so good that we can go back
to it, I want to see it produce
some art as good as Scaramanga's.
No.
They want to use LISP for the reasoning

(01:10:23):
and for the recursive— Oh, okay.
Yes.
I'm telling you.
Oh, that's insanity.
I'm reporting it to you.
I'm not, like, advocating for it.
You might as well be.
Oh, you're insufferable sometimes.
I am.
I'm totally insufferable.
It's pathetic.
Well, you know what the number one language

(01:10:44):
is being used currently today for artificial intelligence,
large language models, not for your image crap?
Do you know what it is, the number
one language?
You got me.
Python.
Oh, that doesn't surprise me.
Which is lame by comparison to LISP.
Exactly.
This is exactly why they're going back to

(01:11:05):
it.
It's fascinating to see.
Why don't they go back to small talk?
Apple talk.
Novell Networks.
Now, that was a technology, I tell you.
Now we sound like a couple of farts.
I've decided I'm Ben X.
That is my new generation.
I am not Gen X.

(01:11:26):
I am Ben X.
Anyway.
What's Ben?
Ben what?
The B for boomer.
Ben X.
Oh, that's interesting.
Thank you.
I think boom X would be better.
No.
So, Sam Altman, our very tortured, tortured multi
-millionaire.
Sex fiend.
I don't know if he's a...

(01:11:47):
Isn't he part of that sex cult?
No, you're...
Am I conflating a bunch of different people?
You're thinking of the FTX guy.
You're thinking of Sam Bankman Freed.
No, I'm not thinking of...
No, I'm thinking about the group that's still
running around here that is sex-oriented.
Oh, the...

(01:12:07):
What were they called again?
Yeah, them.
Those guys.
Someone in the troll room should know what
it is.
Okay, continue talking.
I'll worry about it later.
Sam Altman, he's doing some pre-promotion for
Model 5.
Model 5, everybody.
I mean, listen.

(01:12:27):
We just need another trillion dollars.
Once we have more compute, AI is really...
Effective altruism.
Thank you very much, Maximilian.
Yeah, effective altruism.
Effective altruism.
No, he's the opposite of that because now
he went all in on commercialism.
He wants to get filthy rich now.

(01:12:48):
Remember, they're trying to spin all that.
Who doesn't?
Exactly.
Sam Altman is doing just fine.
So Sam needs to explain to everybody that
if we just get a little more money,
it will really be smart.
It's going to...
It's blowing me away, I'm telling you.
So where would you go...
Hey, I have to say that when no

(01:13:10):
one has said this, I'm going to say
it.
Okay.
It turns out that Sam Altman is one
of the greatest salespeople in the history of
sales.
And no one recognizes the simple fact.
He is really good at sales.
I think his pitch is getting old.
It still works.
He's still getting money.

(01:13:31):
He does it, yes.
But he does it in the...
I mean, to you, you're like, you know,
you can see this, but most people can't.
I see right through it.
I mean, the guy is clearly lying.
You know, he's just sitting there like, he's
lying, he's lying.
A salesman lying?
What?
So he goes on, of all podcasts, if
you really want to reach the masses, Theo

(01:13:51):
Vaughn.
This is a fantastic podcast.
And I didn't clip this, but at a
certain point, Theo Vaughn says, don't you think
it's kind of like old-fashioned for women
to have babies?
I mean, shouldn't we just have them in
vats?
You know, and Sam Alba's like, yeah, you
know, obviously we'd have much better humans.
Obviously.
No.

(01:14:11):
Yes.
You didn't clip that?
No, it was too creepy.
And anyway, so here's his pre-sale.
These are two very short clips.
Here's his pre-sale of Model 5.
But what it comes with, what are you,
what do you fear, Sam?
And Sam is, you know what?

(01:14:33):
Yeah.
What's like one of your fears?
Like what's a fear you have of AI?
Like if you have like a fearful space
that it could go, like I know you
mentioned a little bit.
This morning I was testing our new model
and I got a question.
I got emailed a question that I didn't
quite understand.
And I put it in the model, this
GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly.

(01:14:55):
And I really kind of sat back in
my chair and I was just like, oh
man, here it is moment.
And I got over it quickly.
I got busy on to the next thing.
But it was like, I mean, it's what
kind we're talking about.
I felt like useless relative to the AI
in this thing that I felt like I
should have been able to do and I
couldn't.
It was really hard, but the AI just
did it like that.
Yeah.
It was a weird feeling.

(01:15:16):
Yeah.
Model 5, GPT-5.
I mean, I'm smelling ketamine.
That's probably true.
I like that.
So, then we get his actual fear, which
he doesn't know how to solve.

(01:15:37):
Another thing I'm afraid of, and we had
a, you know, a a a a a
a a a a a a a a
a a a We had a, you know,
a real problem with this earlier, but it
can get much worse.
It's just what this is going to mean
for users' mental health.

(01:15:59):
There's a lot of people that talk to
Chachapiti all day long.
There are these sort of new AI companions
that people talk to like they would a
girlfriend or a boyfriend.
And we're talking earlier about how it's probably
not been good for kids to like, grow
up on the dopamine hit of scrolling.
Yeah, for sure.
Or whatever do you think that that how
do you keep like um AI from having

(01:16:20):
that same effect like that negative effect that
social?
Media really has had I'm scared about I
don't I don't have an answer yet I
don't think we know quite the ways in
which it's going to have those negative in
yes We do uh, but I feel for
sure it's gonna have some and we'll have
to I hope we can learn to mitigate
it quickly Can a eyes can they pull
up pornography and stuff like that too or

(01:16:41):
not sure?
No, it's fine listen listen to him laughing
But you either way you have to know
Theo Vaughn had a very serious porn addiction
Can a eyes can they pull up pornography
and stuff like that too or not sure
sure my god?
God, I didn't know that No, it's fine,

(01:17:03):
yeah, but I just yeah, I don't even
need to know that I'm gonna have that
stricken from my own record So there it
is there is his biggest fear which of
course he knows all about this is not
his fear This is this is his exit
strategy Everybody needs to be talking to their
chat GPT Every say you know if you
pick if you pull it I know you
don't have an app for it, but if

(01:17:24):
you were to ever install an app on
your phone in the drawer Chat GPT has
tabs at the top and the first one
is like general and the second one is
therapy.
They are they are literally Giving this to
people is there's a tab therapy that says
therapy and it comes with it.
Yep Built right in well that tell us

(01:17:47):
more well, that's where people go for therapy,
and then the the the AI starts talking
to you like a therapist and This is
not regulated well No, you can't go you
just can't put a shingle out and say
I'm a therapist without having a license actually
I think you can I don't think so.

(01:18:08):
I think you know the state of California
Hmm.
I'm not sure about that I'm not sure
about that you have to be a licensed
either a Psychologist or a licensed psychiatry or
a psychiatrist.
I don't think you need a license for
that MD, but I mean I don't know
if you need to be it's like Lucy
free advice five cents Well there you go

(01:18:31):
Lucy was in violation of the law Let's
see let me ask rock Yes, ask rock
rock would know do you need a license
to be a Therapist all right.
Let's find out doom.
Yes, you typically do, but it depends on
location Okay All right, well we have a

(01:18:54):
lot of therapists and Psychologists someone should chime
in on this bullcrap.
Yeah Because none of it's good obviously well
if it says therapy they're offering the therapeutic
services that that are unlicensed Is it right
there?
They should sue them.
Yeah, the state of California should sue the
company over this immediately well anyway, I'm The

(01:19:18):
more I look at X which has you
know grok essentially built into it You know
so in every I love the number one
question, I think posted on X's at grok
is this true That's my favorite, that's my
favorite.
Yeah, well, that's what you do so the

(01:19:40):
snake is eating its tail continuously and It
just seems like you cannot get away from
ingesting crap, and then just more crap comes
out That's just the model collapse to me
is just that's that's why we have to
keep get Like you say if it's gonna
be model collapse.
I know then I'm not worried.
Why are you worried about any of this?
I'm not but I have to fill time

(01:20:01):
on this podcast so I might as well
That makes sense and when it comes to
crap just just you know Just have a
look at my timeline and look at all
of the number accounts.
You know like Dolores five nine seven two
two three six These are bots There's no

(01:20:25):
one who would accept their username to be
Dolores three nine two two six People will
try anything.
Let me do if it's Dolores 1960 okay
boomer Dolores.
I got you This thing is filled with
bots And the more I look at it
than the more I see what kind of
comments are being made by these bots the

(01:20:46):
more I am convinced that All of these
social networks are now just completely flooded by
intelligence agencies Massaging a narrative, and it doesn't
mean that they're doing it in in For
the benefit of the administration they're doing it
for the benefit of whatever their whatever their

(01:21:07):
messaging is and Nothing quite sums it up,
and why wouldn't you do that exactly and
nothing quite sums it up as the Harvard
cyber speech from President Obama Where he was
clearly?
Projecting and In hindsight you're like wow this
is really taking place right now The Epstein

(01:21:30):
conversation is a part of it the Mossad
is real all of this is a part
of it in Myanmar It's been well documented
that hate speech shared on Facebook played a
role in the murderous campaign targeting the Rohingya
community Social media platforms have been similarly implicated
in fanning ethnic violence in Ethiopia far-right
extremism in Europe Authoritarian regimes and strongmen around

(01:21:53):
the world from China to Hungary the Philippines
Brazil have learned to conscript social media platforms
to turn their own populations against groups They
don't like whether it's ethnic minorities the LGBTQ
community Journalists political opponents and of course autocrats
like Putin have used these platforms as a
strategic weapon against democratic countries that they consider

(01:22:16):
a threat people like Putin and Steve Bannon
for that matter Understand it's not necessary for
people to believe this information in order to
weaken democratic institutions You just have to flood
a country's public square with enough raw sewage
You just have to raise enough questions spread
enough dirt plant enough Conspiracy theorizing that citizens

(01:22:39):
no longer know what to believe Once they
lose trust in their leaders in mainstream media
in political institutions in each other in the
Possibility of truth the game's won there you
go Putin discovered leading up to the 2016
election our own social media platforms are well
designed to support such a mission such a

(01:23:01):
project Russians could study and manipulate patterns in
the Engagement ranking system on a Facebook or
used to and as a result Russians state
-sponsored trolls could almost guarantee that whatever disinformation
they put out there would reach millions of
Americans and that The more inflammatory the story
the quicker it spread yeah, and that's being

(01:23:22):
done today right now by our own intelligence
community This is being done by Obama's boys
Cloward Pivens Oh the digital version.
It's it's a it's a digital version of
it completely.
Yeah, and it's working It kind of expressed
how it works you clogged the sewers.
Yeah, and It's working and and you just

(01:23:45):
and how do you make it even crazier
add AI?
Just add some scaremonger images.
I don't think it makes it crazier.
I just this makes it easier no Easier
for them to do yes, yeah, but that
it, but it I think it accelerates You
maybe laugh so hard the other day Yeah,

(01:24:07):
you should you should have someone watching you
when you post on X Which one what
post got you the one you said who
is this woman next to Trump how come
she's never mentioned It was do that I
said this picture shows up a lot Who
is this woman next to Trump and I
wanted somebody to tell me oh?

(01:24:29):
Okay It's clearly Melania It doesn't look anything
like her.
Oh, it's totally Melania It doesn't look anything
like her and it's and the band it
has to be pre 2004.
He wasn't dating her then I I don't
know how long he's been dating.
Well that doesn't mean that that what do

(01:24:49):
you mean it has to be pre?
2004 because he broke up with Epstein as
a no it's documented in 2004 he never
saw him again Well when he spoke to
him after 2004 that was the date you
got get all the clips you want that
When did he start dating Melania?
Well it had to be after Marla Maples,

(01:25:10):
and when did he divorce Marla?
Let's find out when I'm trying to look
at your timeline your timeline is one 100
% tick-tock crazy videos Yeah, I can't
even I can't even find them a lot
in a video.
Oh my goodness.
You're out of control It's not a video.
It is still photo.
Who is this woman question mark?

(01:25:32):
I constantly see this photo of Trump from
20 plus years ago.
Who is this woman?
He is with why is she never identified?
Yeah, well, what's wrong with that well, it's
clearly Melania It's not clearly Melania.
It doesn't look anything like her.
It looks exactly like her When did they
first when did they first start dating?
Let's see yeah look at it You do

(01:25:53):
that now look at Marla Maples when this
she was divorced, okay?
Well that doesn't doesn't mean he wasn't hanging
out with her at the time Here Zampoli
introduced her to Donald Trump in 1998 she
began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter Marla who
Melania and Melania was dating Donald Trump in

(01:26:14):
1998 I didn't say that Zampoli Paolo Zampoli,
I'm sure a fine individual introduced her to
Trump in 1998 she began dating Donald Trump
shortly thereafter Trump worked to get Melania modeling
jobs, and she supported him during his 2000
presidential campaign and they were married in 2005

(01:26:37):
So that your timeline Well, maybe you're right,
maybe I'm completely wrong and she's changed her
look which wouldn't surprise She's 25 years older
or 20 years older than the picture Marla
got divorced in 1999 there There you go,
but because he was dating with Melania in
98 Hello So the timeline works Okay, so

(01:27:02):
you got me Well now I know I
wonder who this picture this woman was Okay,
well now I didn't know that's why I
asked that's what I use Twitter for I
use it for a point of information I
see this no he's showing up over and
over and over again and nobody identifies And
they say here's Trump with Epstein and Epstein's
with with Gislaine and there's no mention of

(01:27:25):
the woman You do you use Twitter to
a B test take crazy tik-tok videos
to play on one America news It's it's
your protesting ground Do you see how many
what what people like it the most thing
you have you been on her show?
Oh, no, yeah, I was on again last
Friday.
Ah, I missed it.

(01:27:46):
I need to do it You just grouse
about it.
I think it's no I think you're doing
it wrong.
You need to get an act together This
is why I'm grousing.
You'd be perfect.
You need a hat.
We already discussed that You need all the
tech grouch.
Yeah, you got to do a little crazy
voice And you got to say, you know,
you got to have a catchphrase.

(01:28:07):
You don't have a catchphrase I don't have
a catchphrase catchphrase should be who are these
women?
That should be your catchphrase Well, it's not
always just women.
Okay.
All right Anyway, I got a gem lined
up next I Noticed you stopped bringing them
to the show you're like I'm not giving
away my good stuff here.

(01:28:28):
No, it is because no I Have an
outlet for it.
That's other than the show because you grouse
and moan and groan and make my life
I'll bring the next show is gonna be
loaded with tick-tock loaded with tick-tocks
No, the next show on Thursday is going
to be our exit strategies, which is even
better than tick-tocks Even it'll give a

(01:28:48):
lot of people good ideas.
Yes.
Yeah, we're full of them You're right or
hours worth.
All right, what's the Boeve controversy?
What is that?
Okay, this is the guy that they're making
a big fuss about this guy He is
the Trump lawyer who helped him out in
some say well it's all explained in these
clips, but he wants to make him a

(01:29:10):
member of one of the Circuit Courts of
Appeal and Everybody's fighting against it and they
ramrodded it through the committee and the committee
the Democrats in the committee This is what
the committee walked out and in Drama high
drama, how did I not catch this?
Oh the walkout was the best because you
had a Jerome, oh and and We're bitching

(01:29:35):
and moaning.
What's his name?
The black guy who's always yelling and screaming
who did the 17-hour?
Filibuster whose name for some reason eludes me.
Yeah, Cory, Cory Booker.
So Cory Booker's this is outrageous This is
outrageous And then they all left and it
was a big stink because they do trying
to get this guy through so let's listen
to clip one President Trump helped reshape the

(01:29:57):
federal courts during his first term in office
And he relied heavily on the Federalist Society
in that effort Which helped him zero in
on judges with a conservative originalist interpretation of
the Constitution Now the nominations machinery is restarting
in Trump's most controversial judicial nominee is only
one step Where is this who?

(01:30:20):
What outlet is this NPR so they just
say Trump they don't say President Trump anymore.
They just say no That's NPR.
They hate Trump Okay and I should mention
they did talk about the Federalist Society and
Trump's not using as much as he used
to and they never mentioned the Reason, which
is Amy Coney Barrett who did who's you
know, been kind of on the on this

(01:30:41):
fence She's not that conservative a lot of
issues.
That's why he stopped using the Heritage Foundation
because they they boned him Well, it's it's
the Federalist is this group here.
I'm sorry Federalist Society.
Yeah Yes, they boned it right and boned
it hurting in Trump's most controversial judicial nominee
is only one step away from the federal

(01:31:01):
bench I'm joined by NPR's Carrie Johnson for
a look at what email Bovee could tell
us about Trump's approach to judges in his
second term Carrie welcome.
Hi wanna so Carrie start if you can
by just telling us who anal Bovee is
and why his nominee?
I'm sorry.
I'm so irritated hearing anal Bovee Irritated by

(01:31:22):
this What happens in news where you just
went like, okay we with us we have
John C Dvorak John tell us exactly what's
going on here When did it have to
become?
Hi, Amy?
Hi.
Hi, Nanny.
Hi, baby Why is that it doesn't it
just wastes my time about Trump's approach to

(01:31:43):
judges in a second term Carrie welcome Hi,
wanna so Gary start if you can by
just telling us who anal Bovee is Well,
he's got some pretty strong credentials He graduated
from Georgetown Law School did a couple of
clerkships with conservative federal judges and then got
a job in what might be the most
prestigious US Attorney's Office in the entire country

(01:32:05):
in Manhattan And of course, he went on
to defend Donald Trump in his various criminal
cases the White House communications director says anal
Bovee supremely qualified and a man of integrity
He says there's nobody more capable for the
US Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
and at his confirmation hearing Bovee told senators
He's been misunderstood.

(01:32:25):
I am NOT anybody's henchman.
I'm not an enforcer I'm a lawyer from
a small town who never expected to be
in an arena like this.
It's a male a male a male or
Emil what is it?
I'm a male.
I mean I Like the other one Yeah,
so this guy they make a big fuss

(01:32:46):
first they give his credentials.
He's fine.
No, no, no because he defended That's the
problem.
That's the problem Yeah, here we go, but
Bovee also ran into some complaints from colleagues
and defense lawyers, right and if I understand
Kerry He's also had an outsized role in
his brief time at the Department of Justice.
Is that right?
He's the right-hand man to the deputy

(01:33:06):
attorney general which basically means all the day
-to-day management of the Justice Department both
the big cases and Policies all of that
ends up on his desk and there's been
a lot going on this year From firing
prosecutors who worked on those January 6 cases
to walking away from the corruption case against
New York City's mayor Eric Adams a federal

(01:33:26):
judge said the decision to drop that case
smacked of a bargain where DOJ would move
to dismiss the case and Mayor Adams would
help advance Trump's aggressive deportation agenda 900 former
Justice Department lawyers have urged the Senate to
vote no on Emil Bovee I spoke with
Stacy Young who spent 18 years inside the
DOJ She now runs a group that connects

(01:33:49):
people there with legal and ethics advice by
voting to confirm Emil Bovee to a lifetime
appointment They would be doing more than just
placing someone problematic on the bench They would
be giving their stamp of approval on everything
that's happened at DOJ in the last six

(01:34:10):
months And that is simply unacceptable You know
what is wrong with these people well my
question is We've had a lot of famous
Emils Right.
Yeah, like I wasn't there a chef a

(01:34:31):
chef named Emil Legassi Emil Legassi, but what
are their famous?
Emil Berliner I'm trying to think of other
but they've always pronounced as a meal Why
is he now Emil which of course we

(01:34:51):
all know sounds like anal?
Yeah, that's why that you just you answered
your own question.
They're really they're really doing this on purpose.
What is what this is horrible?
That this whole report is horrible fund them.
They're me What was too late?
Yeah, well that was Emeril, I'm sorry it

(01:35:12):
wasn't a mills Emeril Emeril Emeril Emeril Legassi,
yeah, but there's an Emeril It's a point
is well taken they're saying anal It's an
outrage I'm outraged by our national public radio
Three carry we know that President Trump appointed
a whole lot of judges during his first
term So, how does Bovee compare during Trump's

(01:35:35):
first term Trump confirmed more than 200 judges
with help from Senator Mitch McConnell?
Largely relying on a list the Federalist Society
helped create but both he's not a member
of the Federalist Society He's loyal and close
to people in the White House, though That's
what worries Greg Nunziata who helped advance judicial
nominees as a Republican Senate aid He now

(01:35:57):
works as executive director at Society for the
Rule of Law I think there are reasons
all Americans should be concerned about judges coming
to the bench with political agendas and Outcome
motivated orientation to judging that should concern everybody.
Yeah, you know Go on X dude No

(01:36:18):
one cares about anything anymore.
It's all slop And by the way, Trump
did 200 judges Biden did 235 in his
term Yeah, well, of course, they will not
mention that and and all of them were
appointed.
They're all liberals as the Autopen, so it
wasn't actually Biden Well, somebody somebody gave instructions.

(01:36:39):
But yes Well, of course So that this
is bogus, but let's go and wrap it
up here with a couple more It's especially
notable that President Trump is breaking with the
Federalist Society Because that group has been just
extremely successful at stacking the federal bench with
very conservative judges Right, and that success helped
culminate in a six to three conservative supermajority

(01:37:02):
on today's Supreme Court that effort began over
a generation ago in law schools and it
continued all the way through Donald Trump's first
term in office where nominees with conservative track
records were closely vetted their writings were tracked
the idea was to ensure these very Conservative
lawyers would stay conservative and it drew avoid
the kind of drift that say former justice

(01:37:24):
David Souter and former justice Sandra Day O
'Connor may have represented, right?
Okay.
Well, I mean given the fact that the
Federalist Society has been so successful.
Tell us why?
I think there's a simple reason there are
hundreds of cases that have been filed against
the Trump administration this year Challenging his policies
his immigration agenda the efforts to remake the

(01:37:44):
federal government and the president has really been
Frustrated we're lower court judges who ruled against
him judges that were appointed by both Democratic
and Republican presidents Trump went so far as
to attack Leonard Leo the longtime Federalist Society
official in a social media post this year
as he was losing in the lower courts
Trump called him a sleazebag You know, yeah

(01:38:07):
the mistake these guys make is they're not
really explaining what's going on No, dumb hicks
in Texas like me, I don't understand any
of this and I don't care like judge
smudge Shame a mole nitrate, whatever So they
get the Federalist Society now what gets me

(01:38:29):
here and you do know what's going on
What gets me here is that they're bitching
and moaning about the Federalist Society the first
go-round now He's got him loose Whatever
he does is bad.
So listen, this is the last clip We'll
just point out here that judges are supposed
to be independent of the president who appointed

(01:38:51):
them They're not political actors Kerry Johnson How
do you expect this to shape the judiciary
given the fact that these are lifetime appointments?
No, the Senate has already confirmed Trump's first
federal judge several more are in the pipeline
There are fewer judicial vacancies now than in
Trump's first go-round in the White House
And there's also some evidence judges may be

(01:39:11):
delaying their retirement.
So their replacements are not picked by Trump
Hmm.
I mean there are hundreds of federal judges
bovie is just one person So is this
confirmation really likely to make a difference in
how Trump's policies there in court friends?
You know, this is a fair point.
I've been talking with experts They tell me
appeals court judges sit on panels of three
So any one judge is not gonna tip

(01:39:34):
the balance of power But if and when
the president gets a vacancy on the Supreme
Court and that nominee could have a lot
more influence Oh, they're emo bovie would be
at the top of Trump's list Legal community
tell me they think it's a possibility Trump
has been winning a lot this year in
the Supreme Court and that's ultimately where this
matters What do you mean?
What about what about Ted Cruz?

(01:39:56):
I Thought he was next in line Well,
that'd be a good idea Please get him
out of Congress Senate at this point.
The great thing about Ted Cruz is he
wouldn't be talking on television anymore Because Supreme
Court justices don't typically do that, you know,
they write their opinion or they're just well
What's-her-name Jackson does no, that's true.

(01:40:19):
I had an experience with our justice system
this past weekend No, you got pulled over
for what no I I took my first
trip to a federal correction facility in, Texas
well How long they lock you up?
Now to visit a friend of mine who's
in for ten This is the doctor yeah

(01:40:41):
who we're hoping you know, there's appeal and
all kinds of stuff It's he definitely got
railroaded.
Yeah a doctor who got railroaded.
No, you know, it happens So but he's
in the camp The camp the camp.
Yeah, you know, it's like this.
Oh, it's it's the minimal lock-up and

(01:41:02):
You know, so and I've never been out
there's like two and a half hour drive
So I and then I've been told okay,
you know, you you gotta arrive at this
time Otherwise, I won't let you in you
can't go in with anything.
You can't have your phone on you was
like, okay fine So I guess my gun
is out.
Yeah.
Okay, so can't have any of that You
have to have a clear bag a clear

(01:41:24):
bag with your driver's license They can see
it and dollar bills only dollar bills for
the vending machine, you know Because I guess
that's the only thing you can eat There
is it from the vending machine in the
visitor's office and they have me all and
I took my belt off You know, I'm
all jacked up like no You know, I
just x-ray.
Yeah.
Well, this is I didn't know what to

(01:41:45):
expect but the way it was Presented to
me I was I was you know cautious
pat you down.
So I walk up you open the doors
Double opening doors and right there.
Boom.
You're you're in the room with all the
inmates and their visitors It's like a DMV
waiting room Huh?

(01:42:06):
And and you know, it's really and and
the the welcome desk is at the far
side of the room There's no scanner.
I mean I could have walked in with
anything And I you know, I asked for
for my inmate and then what do you
think the guy says to me?
Uh, I don't know what would he say

(01:42:27):
you got any cool stories on Aussie What
Ozzy Ozzy Osbourne, oh they knew who you
were these guys are like Oh, hey, tell
me about the story would tell me where
you met Ozzy and it was the most
laid-back thing I've ever witnessed It was
surprising.
There's people in there bringing in Kentucky fried
chicken and all and just everyone's having parties.

(01:42:50):
It was Nothing that I like I sound
like anything.
Why they give you the prepping that was
inaccurate Well, I guess there's difference in guards.
You can have some of the psychos and
I guess it was not psycho day But
even so I mean, there's no security pretty
much Yeah, I mean obviously the whole thing

(01:43:10):
sucks But it was it was quite interesting
to to witness Well that boom who always
gonna say that transitions nicely to the alligator
alley stories.
Oh Yeah, but I say alligator alley you
did an alligator alley is something completely different

(01:43:32):
to me alligator alley means I'm going back
to 1997 1996 Think new ideas in New
York and we didn't know each other then
Where we were growing out of our we
actually did if it was 97 we met
in 93 Right, but we that was just
a meeting on the no.

(01:43:53):
Yeah, which is No, yeah, that was it
was that was a like a show business
meeting.
We bumped into yes It was a show
fan of your work man big fan of
your work Love your the best.
Yeah, you're man.
You're so awesome No, this is think new
ideas 100 people in the New York office
and we were building out a second floor.
We were growing so fast and So we

(01:44:16):
had all of these Coders who were basically
building websites for Reebok and you know Johnson
and Johnson Tampax calm And just doing HTML.
This was this was when you could still
charge a company like that $150,000 a
month for maintenance.
We're gonna maintain maintain your website And so

(01:44:40):
you had all of these chair backs on
either side of this aisle But if if
you walked in between them and someone happened
to slide their chair back boom you you
get caught That was alligator alley.
Oh Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, it's a long walk okay, I have
a couple of clips but but Including the

(01:45:03):
bonus clips The two of them.
Mm-hmm, but let's play these first these
other ones because the bonus clips are quite
funny But this is the first this again
the NPR.
This is against Scott and his buddy This
is the first NPR alligator one Florida governor
Ron DeSantis says these first deportation flights have
begun from the new migrant detention center referred

(01:45:24):
to by President Trump and others as alligator
Alcatraz The remote facility and the Everglades has
come under intense scrutiny and generated controversy Some
people now detained there allege harsh treatment by
guards Tim Padgett with our member station WLRN
in Miami has been following the story Tim.
Thanks for being with us.

(01:45:45):
Thank you Scott first Please remind us how
this detention center came about and immediately became
a source of controversy Well, it was a
very sudden action taken by Florida governor Ron
DeSantis late last month out on an idle
airstrip in the remote Everglades where the concept
was that Detainees would of course be met
by alligators and other wildlife if they try

(01:46:06):
to escape President Trump and DeSantis hope it
will serve as a sort of punitive showcase
to deter illegal immigration Critics say it's just
one more piece of performative demonization of immigrants
and Although immigrant alligator Alcatraz is for immigrant
detention, which is supposedly a federal function It's

(01:46:26):
run by Florida's Division of Emergency Management but
apparently DeSantis is going to tap into federal
FEMA money to reimburse, Florida for the 450
million dollar cost of its first year of
operation.
I'm just it's abhorrent that they say immigrants
It's not these illegal Illegal deportees whatever you

(01:46:49):
want to call them.
It's not they also admit to trivialize the
idea of its being an airstrip Which is
critically important because you take him right out
you fly him away Well, I know but
it's not but this air the so-called
airstrip is actually a ten thousand foot runway
that was designed for the Concorde I didn't
know it's designed for the Concorde, but it's

(01:47:10):
it's a proper runway.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a big old It's not an
you to me an airstrip is like a
grass grass strip Yeah, you got like yeah.
All right.
We're flying the drugs into the airstrip Yes,
it's a huge runway that's sitting there idle
so they figured they'd use it for someone
I think why don't they just say newcomers

(01:47:32):
again, and we should go back to newcomers.
That would be even better That would be
better newcomers either way a big reality is
that it's a hastily constructed tent structure with
caged cells for up to 5,000 detainees
so Detainees have complained of substandard food large
mosquitoes overflowing toilets stop So I witnessed what

(01:47:57):
our non newcomers go through It's all it's
junk.
It's crap by the way.
Do you know what the currency is in
in the pen?
Do you know what they use?
Well, I used to be cigarettes.
Yeah, it's it's now max max Now, I
know what a max is mackerels Mackerels So

(01:48:20):
they buy mackerels you can buy them an
individually wrapped mackerel And Matt you're talking about
a fish fish.
Yes.
Yes And so hey how much if I
could make that not that not that okay,
I don't use that example But you know,
there's if you want stuff inside if you
want someone to do something, you know They

(01:48:40):
have to have a currency all all all
Societies even incarcerated have a currency and in
this particular facility.
It's mackerel And so that's got a stink
to high heaven.
Well, they're packaged they're packaged and And so
that'll cost you thank you.
This is the funniest thing that you've said
for a while You know what that it's

(01:49:00):
packaged or the know that there's mackerels being
passed around Yes, it'll cost you three max.
Okay three max and then at the end
Some of these guys they make sushi out
of the mackerels and they make it with
Was it with that what's that orange rice
Like chemical rice basically, so I'll take some

(01:49:23):
I have no idea what you're talking about
And but basically they take Cheetos and they
and they wrap it all my buddy was
telling me the whole thing and they make
Sushi out of it.
There's all kinds of shenanigans going on But
I love that the mackerels is the is
the currency it just proves that you know
Anything can be a currency and they use

(01:49:44):
mackerels.
I thought I thought you'd like that All
right back.
I did I liked it a lot back
to your clip scant air conditioning lights on
Continuously a lack of access to showers and
especially access to lawyers Who say they're not
allowed in the facility and can only engage
their detainee?
Clients by phone or zoom and I gather

(01:50:07):
this week you spoke with a Nicaraguan migrant
inside the detention center What did he say?
Well, he's a 21 year old asylum seeker
who says he came to the US border
in 2023 as a student protester Fleeing Nicaragua's
brutal Ortega dictatorship Asylum seeker who did not
go through the asylum seeking process.

(01:50:28):
I'm so sick of these people He asked
that his name not be used for fear
of government retaliation here He'd been arrested in
Fort Lauderdale before this for improper exhibition of
a firearm, but he was not convicted So
he's one of the hundreds of non-criminal
migrants in alligator Alcatraz, which is a facility
that was supposedly for criminal.

(01:50:49):
Come on Let me listen again.
These words are no wonder the people in
Austin are insane They're being propagandized with lies
and fake language Let's listen again one of
the hundreds of non-criminal migrants and non
-criminal migrants You may be a non-criminal
Illegal alien, but you're not a non-criminal

(01:51:10):
migrant This is sick of these people one
of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in
alligator Alcatraz Which is a facility that was
supposedly for criminal Migrants only and he claims
that after a shouting match with guards last
Saturday over detainee clothing Regulations one of them
called the man who is black the n

(01:51:31):
-word and they shackled his hands and feet
Yeah, okay Well, they do a lot worse
to our American citizens in the pen.
I can I can testify to that It's
Unbelievable these reports wait wait to hear that
the nonsense from CNN which is coming up
This is the third clip from NPR He

(01:51:51):
says they then put him outside and what
they call the box four by four foot
square He said directly in the hot Florida
Sun Yeah known as the shoe the shoe
man the special housing unit.
Here's what he told me I Claims

(01:52:18):
that when a fellow detainee from Honduras complained
to the guards about this punishment They did
it to him to of course Tim It's
hard to verify what the detainees say when
there's little access, but we'll report it.
Anyway, what I said It was hard to
verify but we'll report it as fact Of
course to him to of course Tim it's
hard to verify what the detainees say When

(01:52:39):
there's little access for journalists or lawyers in
that place How do officials respond to these
allegations, that's right, but the Florida Division of
Emergency Management Categorically denies the claims of punishment
as quote false It insists that alligator Alcatraz
guards do not punish detainees and that they
follow all proper prison state and federal protocols

(01:53:03):
But the other significant response has been from
Florida Republicans who insist the public needs to
remember that this is essentially a prison where
many if not most of the detainees do
in fact have criminal histories and That it's
not supposed to be as the Florida House
Speaker said recently a quote five-star resort

(01:53:23):
now My goodness, so we're getting at these
reports at CNN.
I have these two bonus clips.
I want to play the first one Because
it's the first one is actually a Woody
Allen joke Okay Yesterday the air conditioning went
out We had the whole morning without air

(01:53:45):
conditioning lots of mosquitoes came in because they
get in from all sides Multiple detainees say
they don't get enough food though.
They're served three meals a day and that
water is limited We go into the food
hall the food is very terrible here very
very very small portion Yeah, I don't know
food is bad and the portions are so

(01:54:07):
small oh, yeah, okay old Jewish joke Yeah,
that is way over.
Everybody said even mine.
Well.
It's nice.
That's why I explained it I'm not a
Woody Allen guy So let's go to it's
a Jewish joke, but he used the joke
in his nanny hall actually And here we

(01:54:27):
go to The second part of this was
more complaining this time about the water pressure
We've eaten as late as 10 at night
the food at night is cold, too There's
never a hot meal showers are located in
a separate tent and opportunities to shower There
are scarce according to the detainees we spoke
with all the showers are connected to the

(01:54:48):
same water source There's barely any water pressure
So we have to like literally put ourselves
on the wall right next to the water
drain So we can at least get hit
with water Oh, man They have no idea
You're you're lucky you're in federal lockup and
or in lockup that is maintained by the
government my buddies in a commercial prison Where

(01:55:12):
everything is scammed everything is is the cheapest
the most rotten the out of order not
working?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is it this
I've ended in the media especially CNN and
NPR They're all they're on the side of
the immigrants.
You know he's sick of the immigrants immigrants
the asylum seekers the asylum seekers newcomers Yeah,

(01:55:38):
I mean Okay, it sucks.
I know that nobody likes seeing any and
we're nice Americans nobody no no one likes
to see anyone being rousted or Arrested for
you know trying to find a better life,
but I'm sorry If you don't do it
you get Europe and President Trump is right.

(01:56:01):
They are collapsing they're Collapsing and we still
still have a shot still have a shot
You know and and because of these reports
NPR.
This is why you have women Screaming at
ICE agents you're kidnapping him.
You're kidnapping him.
Oh, man Who who's gonna do my dishes?

(01:56:23):
Hunter who's gonna mow my lawn you know
what I got a kid who mows my
lawn.
He's an American Do a lawn?
Yeah, we got we got three acres It
doesn't mean you have a lawn.
It's all grass.
Yeah, if it was three if I had
three acres I'd broke baby three acres of
vines Yeah, no that the whole wine thing.

(01:56:45):
Here's a joke and vines it yeah What
Texas wine did you have recently?
Well there used to be a one good
winery actually is the Preston up in the
panhandle well Yes, the high the high plains.
Yeah, that's where they cuz it's cooler at
night It's too warm down here.
Although that is changing climate change is helping

(01:57:05):
us in that regard So while we're kind
of on on this topic President Trump just
signed an executive order which I think is
a really good one Let's see where's this
report from I'm sure no doubt.
Oh, it's KTLA so no doubt.
It's skewed But it's funny how KTLA's got
the funniest stuff Yeah, and then and they

(01:57:25):
also have Gavin Newsom in here going like
oh, I've been saying this for years So
the executive order is not just get all
the homeless off the streets and throw them
in the river No, he's bringing back medical
institutions for those who are addicted for those
who are have mental issues, which is probably

(01:57:48):
a lot of them and And I think
the addiction issue is the best because the
only solution we've seen from Cities like Los
Angeles like Los Angeles same goes for Austin
Dallas Houston all Democrat cities Democrat run cities.
I think all of them.
I think so Has always been we'll give

(01:58:09):
them a safe place to shoot up Let's
make sure they have safe drugs, which we
saw Needles which we saw fail in Europe
in in the 70s Oh the methadone bus
it will just have the methadone bus come
by.
It didn't work and No, it doesn't work.
It doesn't it really doesn't and it but

(01:58:30):
it's it's the humane thing to don't know
the humane thing is to bring back I
Guess in essence one flew over the cuckoo's
nest only make it better.
I Mean that went away with what Reagan
Reagan was the one who just got sick
and tired of people complaining about it And
he closed all of the mental institutions Yeah,
he Reagan got sick and tired of people

(01:58:50):
complaining about especially out here in California.
Oh, no, everybody's good They're just grabbing people
off the street and locking them up because
they're nuts and Reagan got sick of it
and he's basically Turned it around.
Okay, if you don't want people being in
the mental institution, we'll just leave him Leave
him out in the public.
I don't it was a bad decision, but

(01:59:11):
he does what yeah, I blame Reagan Yeah,
so President Trump has demanded money be be
redirected So the executive order is a lot
more extensive than what you're hearing in these
reports Yeah That new executive order from the
president aimed at making it easier for cities
and states across the country to remove Homeless
people from the streets.
We want to get straight to that Language

(01:59:32):
of the order from the White House so
you can see a little bit of it
for yourself It says it is targeted at
removing quote vagrant individuals from our streets and
redirects federal funds Towards programs that tackle substance
abuse this order seeking to shift federal grant
funding to states and cities that enforce prohibitions
on urban camping enforce prohibitions on drug use

(01:59:54):
and adopt policies allowing people with serious mental
illnesses or Substance abuse disorders to be forced
into treatment the governor responding to Trump's.
Oh, no, they're forcing them into treatment This
is inhumane Disorders to be forced into treatment
the governor responding to Trump's new executive order
saying it is remember they giving them free

(02:00:15):
tents That was the big idea in Austin.
Oh, we should give them tents.
So they so they're nice and warm and
free tents is what we do No, these
people need serious help since abuse disorders to
be forced into treatment the governor responding to
What I mean, it's funny to say forced
in we're gonna Forced in the tree American

(02:00:38):
citizens they in that well, yes, we need
to you sometimes you need to pick somebody
up and say, all right, buddy We're gonna
help you and we're gonna do it in
a different way.
Oh You don't don't you're unhousing them.
You're moving their house No, it's ruining it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean that that's this is this
executive order overrides all of that nonsense and

(02:01:01):
Money and he's putting money to it.
I like that now Will it be more?
lame Nonprofits that never want to get rid
of their clients.
Yep.
That's what's gonna end Unfortunately, because there's a
lot of programs that work see community first
village Right outside of us which brings us
to a story that we don't have any

(02:01:23):
clips for and I should have gotten clips
You don't have any clips.
I mean it comes about the 100 million
dollars of fire aid Los Angeles that went
to nonprofits and in NGOs and disappeared Will
continue with these this outrage mental illnesses or
substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment

(02:01:43):
The governor responding to Trump's new executive order
saying it is more focused on creating distracting
headlines than producing a positive Impact about a
year ago Newsom issued an order encouraging cities
in the state to dismantle homeless encampments recently
Criticizing California cities and counties for not doing
enough on this issue.
I'm not interested in funding failure anymore I'm

(02:02:05):
not I won't time to do your job
people are dying on their watch dying on
their watch Look at these encampments.
They're a disgrace.
They've been there years and years and years
and years I've heard that same rhetoric for
years people are dying How long has Gavin
Newsom been governor years and years What a

(02:02:25):
douchebag In fact, he was the mayor of
San Francisco when it all really began unbelievable
One more topic before we take a break.
I I had a visit from Texas Slim
Friday You know bring bring boss of meat.
He sure did.
He should Texas Slim.

(02:02:45):
I've seen on the videos He is slim.
He is very slim and then he's very
recognizable and he you know, he runs the
beef initiative Beef initiative calm and what he's
been saying for years.
He's been saying we're going towards the collapse.
We're not gonna have any more beef He
says is and he's been saying and it's

(02:03:06):
finally here They have the collapse today.
And finally the collapse is just about to
happen.
He He's down in Kerrville, he brought $10
,000 worth of ground beef to the Mercy
chefs, by the way Expect to be in
the in the flood area the flooded area
for another 12 months It's it's a little

(02:03:28):
it's you know, it's not like over.
It's not like it went away.
I I hear you Western, North Carolina And
he said he said look at the futures.
Look at what's going on.
There is no more beef Except except with
the beef initiative ranchers And if you want
to fight if you want to get beef
and you want to get it at a
good price You can get it directly from

(02:03:49):
your rancher There's a lot of them around
the country beef initiative comm but this is
where it's going for the rest of the
country It's peak grilling season But this morning
the growing cost of rising beef prices ground
beef of 10% compared to the same
time last year Steak of 12% Some
stores and restaurants are trying to hold firm
on prices for now our strategy is right

(02:04:12):
now just absorbing the price and hope hoping
that we see a Reduction after the summer
months are over Ken silver runs a famous
cheesesteak shop in Philadelphia We were closed for
21 months We had sticker shock when we
came back the price of beef when we
left was four dollars and sixty eight Cents

(02:04:34):
for our choice top-round beef and when
we came back it was over seven dollars
a pound What's to blame for the price
hikes extreme weather is a major factor.
We had droughts in the Midwest That spilled
over into 2023.
We're basically from New Mexico all the way
across To the East Coast where you saw
historic droughts cattle herd sizes now shrinking to

(02:04:56):
a record low as more farmers Choose to
sell their cattle for meat instead of breeding
due in part to high feed costs Right
now this this is the highest prices.
It's been in history So when they say
high feed price, that's all the GMO crap
that these commodity ranchers feed their cows Yeah,

(02:05:19):
that stuff just keeps going up in price
GMO corn GMO nonsense, you know as you
leave a cow out in the field They
just eat the grass is there and if
you go look at the panhandle up in
you know, West Texas and above They've got
1.3 million cattle eating grass Just eating

(02:05:39):
grass and it's amazing when you just let
them eat grass.
They grow they you know You throw a
couple stairs in there a little room and
it's called a ruminant.
Yeah, it's it's well Yeah, it's a type
of animal that's got that can eat grass
I know they just give them grass and
what what do you know all of a
sudden?
So the The beef initiative ranchers they got

(02:06:02):
beef stop going to the supermarket anyway, Texas
limb prognostication coming true So what do you
come to your place for?
He comes.
Well, first of all, he's been in Kerrville
off some meat.
He dropped off a nice Chuck roast for
me Yes, which he got from one of
the boys in Montana Well, he's in Kerrville

(02:06:23):
he's been there for weeks and so it's
nice to just come up and you know
I threw some some rib-eyes on the
grill Yeah, we ate some rib-eyes Talk
some smack about the government Yeah, that's what
you do.
It's what you do with your with your
rancher.
Shake your ranchers handy bring you some beef
The way it used to be when we
were feeding the nation I'm talking like slim

(02:06:44):
now.
That's how Chicago became such a so well
known for its steakhouses Yeah, but it used
to be the the center of the beef
business Well, but where did it come from
they used to be stockyards in Chicago that
word that that covered much of Chicago is
a lot And we're a lot of stockyards.

(02:07:04):
You're all gone.
And where did they come from?
They came from the panhandle because they had
all the real everywhere.
Well, it was mainly the panhandle They had
all the railroads and the railroads took him
straight into Chicago And that's why he got
the you know, the the commodity exchange there.
That is all forgotten history.
Nobody knows anything Bremer breaking In this case,

(02:07:27):
I'll be your boomer.
I'll be your boomer go get some good
bait Bamer And with that I want to
thank you for your courage saying the morning
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(02:07:48):
Adam Curry in the morning.
I should see boots and roughy the air
subs in the water and In the morning
Man I still got this kovat cough.
It's annoying.
I've been muting myself throughout the whole show.
Uh-huh.
It's nasty 1984 low That's very low.

(02:08:12):
It's that way was low Thursday.
It's I think it's a bit of it's
the summer doldrums It could be the doldrums.
It could be a lot of things.
Well, what else could I think is a
general slowdown?
I'm seeing a slowdown a slowdown in what
just in everything just a attitude a slowdown
or not Well, you know people are sick
and tired.
They're sick and tired of podcast That's why
the meetups are got less meetups.

(02:08:34):
We got less money.
We got less people listening against a slowdown
now I think people are getting it's a
it's some sort of a depression.
It's a mental thing that yeah, it has
a lot to do It has something to
do with Trump Yes, I think I think
you're I think people are so sick of
everything They're sick of everything but what are
they doing is the question they're sitting around

(02:08:55):
asking their AI You know That's a clip.
I didn't get but there was a I'm
gonna try to go dig it up the
but the guy is a local guy or
something.
It was that was Falling in love with
his AI and the AI told him to
go pick up a girl or something and
he did a Arrested the guy because he
was a masher and but he said the

(02:09:16):
AI told him to do it and they
interviewed the guy He's wearing the red or
the orange jumpsuit.
He's saying it's not my fault.
The AI told me to do it.
I'm Wrong with me.
You told me this wasn't really happening.
You said that's I told you I'm I'm
I'm feeling bad about the fact that I've
been so skeptical about this because it turns

(02:09:38):
out it is happening Exactly.
And by the way, it's the thing that
Sam Altman fears the most He Counting the
money.
He's a banker.
His bankers not fearing it his car.
He's only like a five million dollar car
He does.
Oh, he's that kind of guy.
He should be driving or you have a
driver and be Or anything he does.

(02:10:00):
Yes.
He has one.
He's got some exotic car.
That's ridiculous.
Yeah, and he just bought a kid He
bought a kid.
Yeah, he and his husband adopted a four
-month-old.
Oh, I didn't even know he was gay
Oh Doesn't that make it that much better
now John doesn't it make that much better

(02:10:20):
for you Brother Yeah So he and his
husband adopted a kid.
Yes, and he drives around a five million
dollar car, which is dumb Yeah, it is
kind of dumb Yeah, I mean if I
had five million bucks, I wouldn't be putting
it into a car Well, he's got more
than five million, but even if you have

(02:10:41):
a billion dollars, you're not gonna know Unless
you're a car nut and now there are
car nuts out there.
Larry Ellison being an example owns all these
cars What kind of cars does he have?
He's got a Bugatti.
I know for a fact a Bugatti and
I caught him at the San Francisco Airport
once in a In a toy.

(02:11:02):
It was a Toyota.
It was that sports car that they have
it's kind of I can't remember the number
on it and I said and I stopped
I stopped I was going around to pick
somebody up and I stopped and I Come
I said to him.
I said Larry and he said I said,
what are you doing driving that?
And you know just because it was a

(02:11:22):
get out of my way boomer He said
it's the best car he's ever owned.
He says it's better than the Bugatti Oh,
well, does he have like a sports Bugatti
or a classic Bugatti?
No, he's got no he's got the new
one Got it.
Yeah, Glenn Beck has a Bugatti a classic

(02:11:42):
Bugatti in his in in the hall of
his studio.
Well, that's worth probably a fortune probably It's
beautiful.
I mean, I think he drives he drives
a like some kind of Bentley Sport Continental
are He drives Beck drives around a Bentley
Continental.
Yeah.
Yeah with it with orange striping.

(02:12:03):
It's kind of cool I Friend of mine.
He has one of those things.
I drove it once it's a hell of
a nice car.
Oh, it's got pickup Well, yeah, it's got
I think four hundred fifty horse.
Oh, yeah, that's still different than a five
million dollar car Yeah with an electric one
at that which is so stupid.
What?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

(02:12:24):
It's an electric car.
Oh Brother.
Yeah.
Oh, let me see.
Here.
We are now two boomers talking about cars
Evie.
Let's just see what it well that's our
future is a car talk Yeah, probably.
Let me see the car he has is
No, he hasn't oh he's his car collection.

(02:12:45):
He has a McLaren f1 a Tesla Roadster
and why everybody has one of those the
Doesn't say Forget what it was.
It was some crazy thing.
Anyway, it matters not we thank the trolls
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(02:13:06):
summer day in the summer I think it's
just July John.
I don't think it's anything anything other than
it's just July people are tuning They're tuning
out dropping out man.
They're tuning in and dropping out.
They're just They're just like dropping out and
going out into nature.
I think I think we've told people we
have Really taught people how to turn off

(02:13:27):
and they do that.
There's like, okay I just got to go
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Adam and John told me to do it
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(02:15:53):
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it was no doubt The funniest piece the
Macron brothers the superheroes of the episode Emmanuel
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(02:16:16):
I I got a little lecture from JC
our in-house AI a guy Alright, the
yellow channel is being is exaggerated because the
yellow channel it turns out is being used
as Steganography people don't know this but they're
They're hiding stuff in the in the images

(02:16:38):
in the yellow channel Specifically the yellow channel.
So there's a lot of yellow on these
images.
Hmm And the steganography contains everything and contains
the prompt it contains your name If you're
if you're logged in it contains everything.
It's like, you know, it's beyond an exit
file in a JPEG It's got all this

(02:17:00):
data Information about you when you made the
image what you what the prompts were and
what prompts you change Why does that have
to turn orange then?
Well, I guess it jacks up the yellow
channel is the only thing I can think
of but this it has something to do
with The hackers have been trying to crack
it hmm to get the information out, but

(02:17:20):
it's been it's been concealed and Now I'm
also told that the that the chat GPT
Writing if you depending on how you do
the cut and paste there's a bunch of
I Don't know how they do this either,
but they're putting Metadata inside within the file

(02:17:45):
structure in such a way that it tells
everyone that this is an AI Generated thing
and in some and you can now it's
like it allows you to buy a product
that can identify AI Well sold by the
same company.
It seems that this would be used for
something else which is to I Would say

(02:18:07):
they're using it to prevent model collapse Oh
AI image, let's identify it Let's segregate it.
So we don't ingest that is real That
could be that would be a more a
logical explanation other than we're gonna sell some
other stupid product to you Oh, did you
come on?
Well, that's we're gonna sell some other stupid
product to you is a great idea We

(02:18:28):
need more power more power to sell stupid
product There's a lot of information in these
images that we don't see or know about
and I guess in the stuff that Chad
GPT cranks out in terms of text and
it's all Wonder how they do that.
Although I was watching him I wonder how
they do it to JC says somehow it's

(02:18:50):
incorporated in the white space and I don't
know how that even works Hmm.
I was there was something I was watching
Were they trained?
One model on owls and And so they
had the models just generate numbers And so
it was just generating what seemed to be

(02:19:10):
all these random numbers They then took those
random numbers trained a separate model on it
and that model then all of a sudden
was Was giving owls as the answer for
a lot of things Model collapses imminence.
I can't wait for it.
It can't happen soon enough.
I'm excited I'm excited whenever here's here's one
way for people to say AI sucks, man

(02:19:33):
That's what I'm waiting for and I'm already
there with this.
Well, you've been there since day one pretty
much Yeah, you're just a you're like a
Luddite.
No, I'm a realist I'm a humanist thing.
I'm a humanist.
That's what they said too.
Yeah.
Well, they were French What they what they

(02:19:54):
French it was the French well, it was
the we had to do with the jacquard
Loom is where it started.
So maybe they probably were French.
Yeah French anyway, as we looked over the
over the options we had Orange dead people
that would be Ozzie and Hulk we had
Just orange orange orange was no the only

(02:20:16):
thing digital 2112 man tried to do some
blue There was nothing else it's all dumb
The only thing I kind of like just
because it was not usable because it meant
nothing It was you and I looking at
a blue piece of art on the wall
by scaramanga And the only thing I liked
about is it actually looked like us from
behind That was that was the only thing

(02:20:39):
was there anything else we even discussed?
I don't think so But yeah, there was
a lot discussed.
Well, no, we did not discuss anything.
We just went over it now What do
you like oh you liked compute this by
Nick the rat I did I don't know
why I liked it orange more orange That

(02:21:01):
means he's using too many prompts.
That's what my new thesis is Thank you
very much digital 2112 man for for prompting
your way into the Hall of Fame On
the no agenda art generator anybody and again,
we would love to see sir.
Paul couture I think I sent him a
note about it to allow animated gifs because

(02:21:21):
that would be the next version of artwork
the animated gifs will work as Artwork for
for podcast apps.
I think it will actually animate in your
podcast app if you use it I don't
know about Apple, but I know the modern
ones will so that would be kind of
cool to test out And otherwise just just
put a model in there So people just
go to the website and tape type something

(02:21:43):
in make it easy bypass it all let's
get more slop in there As soon as
possible so we can bring back real artists
It's just the thought I think your thesis
might be right again when you said that
the Metadata might be preventing that collapse from
happening.
Well so far.
It's not working Hey good news.

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Taliban successfully used this tack with their black
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Oh, isn't that interesting?
So he's referring to when he says Confederate
flag.
He's referring to the gay flag.

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Of course, of course he is he's being
Sarcastic and yes at different levels.
Yes That's very interesting so he's comparing the
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We hit people in the mouth Just
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president went to first time since 1932 the
president went to the Federal Reserve to go
talk to Jay Powell So here these two
numbskulls wearing hard hats and of course This
was a moment that the mainstream media just
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(02:46:28):
extraordinary moment playing out of the Federal Reserve
building late today in front of cameras President
Trump and the Federal Reserve chair I'm at
the president's continuing pressure on Jerome Powell to
bring rates down Today the sudden move by
the president the numbers he pulled out Jerome
Powell been reading them in real time and
shooting them down Tonight an extraordinary scene at

(02:46:49):
the Federal Reserve as President Trump ramps up
his effort to pressure Fed chair Jerome Powell
to lower interest rates Trump making a rare
visit to the Fed to challenge Powell on
the building's multi-billion dollar renovation with cameras
rolling Trump pulling out a sheet of paper
Trying to surprise the Fed chair with a
new price tag for the project But Powell

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telling the president that number factors in construction
that was completed five years ago It looks
like it's about 3.1 billion one up
a little bit or a lot So the
2.7 is now 3.1 I haven't
heard that from anybody I Know said it

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about 3.1 as well 3.1 3
.2. This came from us.
Yes.
I don't know who does that Now you're
including the Martin renovation just a tire capital
you just said you just added in a
third building is what that is That's a
third building.
It's a building that's being built.
No, it's been it was built five years

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ago We finished Martin five years over as
part of the overall So we're gonna take
a look but reporters then asking Generally speaking,
what would I do?
I'd fire him.
So this this whole thing is just baffling

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to me 3.1 2.7 Billion before
offices They don't know that but they're already
built as you do renovation is the 2
.7 Do you know what it costs to
build the entire Bellagio in Las Vegas?
800 million no one's 1.6 billion and

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that's expensive.
That was the most expensive building at the
time 1.6 billion to do the entire
Bellagio and is costing 2.7 to do
a Renovation yeah, I mean and that's a
scam at MSNBC the whole more Yeah, he
did but but the real the real information

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is not discussed at all Which is the
whole reason why I think the main I
don't know.
I'm not the Fed chair but this is
the real reason that President Trump wants to
make some changes and this was in the
Statements of the press afterwards, which of course
no one no one aired.
Why would you if it's high never helps

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it?
Well, it's already as good as we're doing
Think of how well would be do it
would be like a rocket ship as good
as we're doing We do better if we
had lower interest rates and we should we're
prime Don't forget without us the whole world
collapses So we should have the lowest interest
rate because you know, you could talk about
Switzerland You can talk about wonderful countries.

(02:49:43):
No debt.
No, but without us everything collapses We should
have the lowest interest rate And if you
took it down three points not a little
bit but three points if you got us
down to one We would save more than
a trillion dollars basically with just a paper
transfer You wouldn't be cutting costs of anything
You wouldn't be building anything just a a

(02:50:05):
move of the hand saying we're gonna lower
interest rates You would save a trillion dollars
a year and there's there's nothing you can
do to save that kind of money So
so well, we we had a little talk
about it and I thought it was a
very productive talk He'll be able to tell
you at his next meeting But I will
say that he did say the country is

(02:50:26):
doing really well and the country is really
doing well What would happen in your opinion?
If by some miraculous happenstance The Federal Reserve
lowered the interest rate by three points in
one go What would happen Well, first of

(02:50:47):
all, the housing market would go nuts.
Yeah, everyone would start buying houses Yeah, and
it would be the prices of houses would
just skyrocket.
Mm-hmm.
I mean to an extreme and the other
thing is the stock market would probably spend
about three or four days trying to figure
out whether this was good or bad and

(02:51:09):
then Perhaps start to go up to an
extreme that's uncomfortable Things would it would wouldn't
be a bet.
I mean It's not it wouldn't hurt anything
and we could refi the country overnight We
could refi the debt that we have to
pay back with a year.
Yeah, you refi would be a good idea

(02:51:29):
Yeah, that's how he saves the trillion dollars
by a refi so But they're not gonna
do it.
I mean, I don't know why we actually
have high the high Switzerland I think is
down to like 1.5 is really low
all of the EU is down to 2
Yeah, it's down.
We're actually artificially high.
It doesn't make any sense Well, is that

(02:51:50):
just political because he doesn't actually want Trump
to refi the country and say look I
saved this a trillion dollars It has to
be Well, that's an outrage.
I mean he did lower the interest rates
just before the Paris, you know Out of
the blue they said well, let's lower it
now and make the economy kind of perk

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up a bit Yeah, and it did and
then he hasn't done anything since And he
was hired by Trump to begin with I
don't know what the thing is who's going
on there He could have been just the
bad advice Trump received for the first term
He was just everything was he put people
in there one person after another that were

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just bad.
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I would have done if I had the
Epstein scandal I'd Jack everything up and say
hey, you know what now?
I got everybody everybody believing that I that
I got Colbert fired Let's approve the merger
some news closer to home here at CBS

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The Federal Communications Commission has approved the planned
merger between Paramount Global our parent company here
at CBS and Skydance Media It's a decision
that clears the way for Skydance is eight
billion dollar acquisition of Paramount and its subsidiaries
which include the CBS television network and its
owned and operated stations the FCC approval comes

(02:53:12):
after Paramount agreed to a 16 million dollar
settlement with President Trump over his allegation that
60 minutes Deceptively edited an interview with Democratic
nominee Kamala Harris an accusation that Paramount has
said was completely without merit Yeah, that's what
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up those boys Call up those and those
cartoon boys.
Let him release the the new season.
This is hilarious Go go go go in
their season premiere South Park's co-creators Trey
Parker and Matt Stone are at it again
This time mocking President Trump's ego his manhood
and pension The episode has the White House

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seeing red This show hasn't been relevant for
over 20 years and is hanging on by
a thread with uninspired ideas and a desperate
attempt for attention President Trump has delivered on
more promises in just six months than any
other President in our country's history and no
fourth-rate show can derail President Trump's hot
streak MAGA fans to reacted on social media

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with many complaining that South Park had sold
out or caught a case of Trump Derangement
syndrome stone and Parker were asked to weigh
in on the uproar The episode also took
aim at South Park's new parent company Paramount

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and its controversial Decision to pay Trump 16
million dollars to settle a lawsuit as well
as its Cancellation of the popular CBS program
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert The premiere
aired just hours after Parker and Stone signed
a five-year deal with Paramount For 50

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new episodes and rights to stream previous seasons
Supported to be worth one and a half
billion dollars Yeah, I have not seen I've
seen all the clips clips of the episode
I just want to go see it and
I thought because I have HBO That I
would get it automatically, but they don't have

(02:55:21):
the new the new season.
I Don't know why and I'm not gonna
go buy Paramount streaming.
They have it on YouTube the full episode
No, they have the part that's controversial Yeah,
I know, but what if I just want
to see the whole episode I have to
buy Paramount to wait I gotta do that.
Well Paramount's who nobody does that No, I

(02:55:44):
wouldn't think so But the skydancing was gonna
go through no matter what of course now
that they have taken over They don't have
to fire Colbert I think Colbert is gonna
get let go before the May deadline is
gonna be bought out.
I won't put money on that Yeah, I'll
put ten bucks on it no, let's go
five Okay, so the bet would be that

(02:56:06):
Colbert last the whole to to me yeah,
oh he's gotta have a big goodbye and
all the Celebrities will come by in the
last week.
Okay.
Talk me out of the bet that It'll
be they'll finally get some ratings on that
show.
What are you talking about?
And so right the writers and that 200

(02:56:28):
person staff, yeah, they're getting they're getting axed
early now the Show that's tar.
I think there's gonna be targeted as comedy
central with Jon Stewart.
Yes.
Yes So the skydance guys are gonna have
to take care of that themselves We'll see
how it works out.
Do we not understand that it is time

(02:56:48):
it is time for linear Programming to just
go away.
It's not of this world anymore Linear hanging
in there.
I like the fact that the View is
taking a the nasty word hiatus.
Yeah, what happened there?
Do we know out of the blue?
We're going on a hiatus and you know
what that means.
Well, maybe there's just a vacation.

(02:57:09):
Maybe it's just July We didn't say vacation.
They didn't say that.
Well, no we in television in television land.
We say hiatus We're on hiatus when you're
done.
We're on hiatus this Thursday John.
Whoa No, we're not Taking a date.
We're taking a show off and the show
is still gonna be produced It's gonna be
a dynamite show and it's got you know,

(02:57:30):
it'll be fine.
It'll be great.
Well You I think you mentioned this to
me right after the show on Sunday and
I was like I hadn't heard about this
But yes, it's true next Amazon founder Jeff
Bezos fresh off that lavish wedding in Venice
Maybe looking to expand his media empire already
owns the Washington Post and now he's reportedly
thinking about buying CNBC That is according to

(02:57:53):
the New York Post, but Bezos does not
comment My understanding he's gonna buy the whole
thing he's gonna buy MSNBC CNBC that whole
group He's not just buying see it.
They're not spinning it off.
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the whole pack He gets spin co spin
co spin go.

(02:58:13):
What will he call it?
Bezos television Amazon TV Amazon TV is not
bad the Amazon Network He could fold it
into Amazon.
That's interesting That's a way to go He
could fold it into prime.
He should let his new wife.
They can do live streaming.

(02:58:34):
Yeah on prime and They're never gonna take
it off of cable because that's still the
money the carriage fees is still the money
No, but that but the but the dildos
still transcoded and running off a straight off
of Amazon, too Because because if it's on
Amazon well, I guess if people pay it's

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such it's free money the cable station Yeah,
well money.
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both.
I agree.
But why is he doing because he really
wants to be because the CIA Knocked on
the door and said hey look.
Hey, look we did we're gonna lose control
of this little outlet We want you'd bought

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the Washington Post for us, which is as
Steve Bannon mentioned is called the CIA bugle
and Not to see it's no it's not
it's the where's the CIA located In Langley
the Langley bugle.
I think he called it the Langley bugle
not the Langley bugle.

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Okay Yeah, but you got that now you're
gonna have to help us out here And
we'll keep Contracting with your servers to do
to do our backhand and that's what you
know Cuz he's got most of that business.
So you think he's kind of does what
he had what he's told Do you think
Sanchez is his handler?
It makes a lot of sense.
Actually, I think about it Wow Huh?

(03:00:01):
Yeah, that's an interesting theory.
Why not?
Yeah, I could be she could be the
handler.
Yeah Hmm Anyway, good luck to him.
That's great.
Keep keep it going Jeff.
We need clips Yeah, that's true.
We need clips and Places a goldmine you
got anything to to play us out with

(03:00:23):
cuz we know I can play us out
with a little fish poaching You want to
talk about fish poaching, you know, I kind
of an interesting story.
I thought you'd never asked about fish poaching
Fish poaching fish poachers, there are small fishing
boats and then there are industrial fishing ships
They're basically floating factories at sea Imagine a

(03:00:43):
huge vessel on the water that is pulling
in just vast vast quantities of fish Jennifer
Rainer is a natural resource economist at the
University of Wisconsin, Madison She says these massive
boats catch fish Process it freeze it and
then other boats come to pick it up
So the operation doesn't have to stop sometimes

(03:01:04):
these boats can be out there for two
years at a time Just fishing non-stop
in places that they never could have reached
before These large vessels are now responsible for
most of the global seafood catch Rainer says
many of these ships now have GPS transponders
that report their position But there are still
blind spots those blind spots are that captains

(03:01:27):
can disable this device and you might expect
that you'd be more likely to do that
if you're doing things that are illegal and
Many vessels are not required to use this
system It's been hard to figure out the
impact of these dark vessels as they're known
are having on marine life Now new technology
is helping radar from European satellites is able

(03:01:48):
to detect large vessels on the ocean Rainer
and our colleagues use all that tracking data
to see how many vessels were in marine
protected areas places where fishing is banned Wow,
I am kind of sorry I asked for
this.
Yeah, you should be But I still amazed
by a ship that's just sits out there

(03:02:08):
grabbing fish like there's no tomorrow for two
years Well, yeah, what a job that's got
to be you must not like women Perhaps
surprisingly given how hard monitoring is and how
vast these spaces can be We found that
poaching is surprisingly rare almost 80% of
the protected areas had no industrial fishing activity

(03:02:29):
Which Rainer published in the journal science?
I think it's a very hopeful sign for
conservation At a bare minimum.
We need compliance right a study by other
researchers also use the same tracking data Raphael
Sagan of the University of Montpellier in France
looked at a bigger group of protected areas
places with some protections But that still allows

(03:02:50):
some fishing he found industrial fishing going on
in about half of them Two-thirds of
industrial fishing in these marine protected areas were
untracked They were invisible to public tracking systems
And that means that we have underestimated what
is actually going on in marine protected areas
Almost 200 countries have agreed to protect 30
% of the ocean by 2030 Today, it's

(03:03:13):
only about 8% But Sagan says if
there's industrial fishing in these protected areas that
goal doesn't mean much Every area of the
ocean that can be fished is fished today
So that's a big issue because when we
say we want to protect 30% of
the ocean most of the time it's false
Protection, but Sagan says the potential is that

(03:03:34):
these new satellite technologies could help countries with
enforcement By tracking illegal fishing in real time
so protected areas of the ocean will actually
be protected Well, yeah, I'm sorry.
I got those.
Yeah.
Yeah, but but I will say it's educational
people now No, and do you know what
the oh, is it raining?

(03:03:55):
Oh, it just started pouring.
Do you know what the Yeah, just start
pouring all of a sudden You know what
the what the main?
catch is of these poachers Sharks mackerel.
Oh now you've connected the dots Imagine all

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Thank you very much We have a meetup
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No agenda meetups And

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They are indeed always like a party and
that's pretty much baked into the whole idea
Guaranteed time for us to select some ISOs
for the end of the show.
I see you have to John I'm not
even gonna ask if you found them yourself
of the AI generated doesn't matter I'll start
with mine.
These guys are smart.
They're hard-working.
They're motivated.
They want more more Tad on the long

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side They have this one full-body They
couldn't understand it, okay, how about this one
that's just propaganda Cute I kind of like
that one.
What do you have?
I don't have anything good either.
Oh, okay.
Let's start with what do we got?

(03:16:32):
Let's do with the podcasts wherever you get
your podcasts Oh, no No No, no, then
the other one is of support.
I hope you'll consider supporting us Muddley I
hope you'll consider supporting How about this?
That's just propaganda.
Come on.
That's loud.
That's proud Propaganda we're not doing propaganda on

(03:16:55):
the show just propaganda, but it's not about
just it's of course.
We're not propaganda That's just propaganda.
It's the best ISO.
It sounds the best And it's insulting, okay,
what do you want then?
Well, did you get that's the only choice
we've got really?
What we have no choice.
What was the first one the first one

(03:17:16):
the first one was?
And it's too long these guys are smart
they're hard-working they're motivated they want more
more But you know if you took they
want more and more off it'd be perfect.
They're motivated They want more more.
Okay, I could take that I could I
could edit them and just make sure me

(03:17:37):
I can edit that Yeah, it's shorter and
better.
It'll be like this.
They're motivated right there.
Boom Hey before we do anything it's time
for John's tip of the day Yeah,

(03:18:02):
I have a website selection That's very valuable
for people who like to at least see
who's talking to him We're sending him email
or anything and it's the best of the
group.
There's a bunch of these things as he
IP location net Okay, what kind of thing
is this that's interesting IP location net yeah,

(03:18:27):
and it it it tells you where it's
basically a Finds your IP address that you
put an IP address and it tells you
where you are But it doesn't just do
it with one source It's actually a meta
site that looks at a bunch of different
sources.
So you get a bunch of possibilities Okay,

(03:18:47):
so is it gonna fight so is it
going to find my my address now Yeah,
as soon as you load it, it will
give you your address immediately.
Let's see how it does.
Okay So let me paste this in here.
Let me see IP lookup.
Oh Wait, I didn't do it IP location
net.
Yeah.
No, I'm that I know but I'm clicking
the button I'm quick says I'm in Greatwood,

(03:19:07):
Texas awesome I Now put it somebody else's
IP address and it'll give you like eight
selections and whether there's six Oh, I hold
on a second.
Now.
This one says I'm in Kyle.
This one says I'm in Dallas.
Oh Fredericksburg.
There it is.
Okay All right, one of the we got
we got a sugar land hmm Interesting in

(03:19:30):
most cases it's all the same but some
flaky IP guys that you know Since they're
all over the place, I don't know what
network you're on.
They'll give you some estimates I don't like
flaky IP guys.
Those guys are no good.
No, all right.
Well, it's a flaky IP calm No agenda

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adios mofos a hui hui and The

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right thing stop spreading these lies stop spreading
these lies Stop spreading these lies Do the
right thing?

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Some people are afraid of the weather Some
need an excuse to stay home Some people
come in boring But I've got to got
to escape the heat The new shows talk

(03:22:55):
about me baby say I'm doing it wrong
But don't you worry baby Staying right here

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Can't play my music in the sun I'm
a joker crack smoker gonna be much broker

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The government wants that In the water making
brothers sick and crazy they're complacent to the
bargain basement politician shady in the way to
treat the people It is certainly no maybe
that the end of my control, which is
why Florida's KG We
know that Martin

(03:24:25):
Luther King jr.
Was shot, but what media don't tell us
is the government plot They expecting us to
beat them.
Listen full of brain rot that might fool
a lot of folk, but to me nah
CIA and MKUltra taking control of our minds
So they're complacent, indecent, sarcastic governmental crimes on
mainstream media Bought by spooks who tell them
what to decide So they gaslight with straw
men which is why the news is KG
Have you heard the news?
The

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government wants that money You These
guys are smart they're hard-working they're motivated

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