1788 - "chatJCD" - No Agenda Show

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Well I'm here on the street and I
don't know anything.
I'm dumb, you can tell by listening to
my voice and my accent.
Adam Curry, John C.
DeVora.
It's Thursday, August 7, 2025.
This is your award-winning Gimbal Nation Media
Assassination Episode 1788.
This is no agenda.
Gerrymandering for joy.

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And broadcasting live from the heart of the
Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number
6.
In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're all
wondering how Sidney Sweeney can still be in
the news, I'm John C.
DeVora.
Really?
Is that, is that, are you guys like

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behind in California?
It's left, my news.
Still talking about it?
No, it's left, I haven't seen it.
Oh, you have to go on MSN, you
see, go ahead, oh no, MSN, just hit,
get the browser.
Get a browser.
What's the name of that browser they got
there at Microsoft that as soon as you
hit it they play ads by the ton?
The outlet.
Clickbait.
The clickbait browser.

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Edge, edge, edge.
Yeah, edge, the edge clickbait browser.
And it's not like they're trolling your computer
to see what you're interested in.
No, no, no, none of that.
They don't have to, this stuff is too
good.
They know they want it.
I, I have some sad news, actually.

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I was trying, desperately trying to create a
show, Adam Curry and chat JCD.
Oh yes, right, this is your challenge to
get rid of me as you've been.
Impossible.
It turns out none of these chatbots can
have a conversation.

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They only understand the question and answer model.
So if I'm not asking a question or
end my sentence with a then it will
not respond.
And everything it says, if it's just, you
know, random, it ends with a question.
It's like, it can't work alongside me and

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just chat.
Does that make sense?
Okay, there's a question.
So it could answer that.
But just this witty, witty banter we have,
it's impossible.
Well, it's solvable.
It's not solvable.
Yes, it is.
It can be fixed.
It will be fixed.
How?
Well, some, one of these, these geniuses will

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fix it.
No, no, it's not meant for that.
It is only, and if you look at
every video, everything out there, it's not meant
for that.
That's kind of an interesting thing to say
out of the blue.
No, I, is that a strange thing I'm
saying?
Well, no, you might be right.
Yeah.
It's meant for questions.
Which means it's not solvable.
No, it's meant for question and answer.

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It, it can't just, cause I've tried it
and I'll just, and I give it the
pre prompt, like just, just jump in whenever
you hear a pause and it would jump
in and would ask me a question.
Like, I don't need your question.
Just give me your opinion.
Doesn't have opinions, has no opinions, opinions, but
they're always couched in the form of a
question or an answer.
Yes, exactly.

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So it sucks.
And I gave up too soon.
I'm really disappointed because I was ready.
I was ready.
Yeah.
Well, you know, too bad.
It does turn out that it's really good.
Really good.
I mean, like just uncannily good, even though
it sounds like that, um, uh, what's the,

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uh, using my voice by the way.
Oh, no, I didn't even get to that.
I just use what I did say, try
to sound a little effeminate.
And it was like, Hey, Hey, darling.
Hey, darling.
I'm like, no, no, no, let's not do
that.
That didn't work.
Uh, chat GPT and the GPTs are very
good though.
Apparently at job interviews, artificial intelligence might help

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you apply for a job.
And as it turns out, it may also
end up interviewing you.
Some companies are relying on the technology to
have initial conversations with candidates, claiming it saves
them time and money.
Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist
position.
Isn't that the guy from France 24?
They use his voice.

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Welcome to the interview for those possession, man.
I'd like seriously, but it doesn't, it doesn't
stop.
Wait a minute.
What are you playing here?
Is this what, if I call to get
an interview, this is what I end up
hearing on the phone.
This is the pre-interview.
Now they schedule an interview.
I'm sure that's all AI schedule on the
phone.

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Uh, well, it's a phone call over the
computer.
This is not made clear.
Claiming it saves them time and money.
Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist
position.
We're excited to learn more about you and
your background.
I think the AI is incapable of being

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excited about anything.
Latest job interview.
She realized she was speaking to artificial intelligence.
What was the clue?
What was the giveaway?
Was it something the way it spoke or
that voice that you've heard a million times?
I was caught off guard.
I was shocked that it was asking such
good follow-up questions.
She says the AI was extremely polite, but

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she felt something was missing.
There's no small talk, nothing personal.
And I wasn't able to really tell if
my answers were landing or not.
These AI hiring bots can now screen shortlist
and interview job applicants.
It's set up like a zoom meeting.
Candidates have a conversation with a synthetic voice.
The AI will then summarize the call and
score the candidates for someone at the hiring

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company to review.
Do you have any questions about how this
interview will go?
For some applicants, AI can add confusion to
the process.
Maureen Green had to end an interview herself
because the AI wouldn't stop talking.
So at an hour in, I'm like, so
I don't mean to interrupt, but, you know,
it's been more than half an hour after

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the scheduled time of our interview.
I just want to be mindful of your
time, even though I'm like, it's an AI
agent.
There's a second.
This is from CBC, by the way.
I decided to give it a try and
test the AI's reaction.
Oh, deep journalistic effort.
How much do you get paid?
Ha ha.
Well, I'm just here to help with the

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interview process, so I don't have a paycheck.
But for this role, compensation details would be
discussed.
That ha ha is very sarcastic.
Yeah, it was.
It was rude.
Borderline rude.
I think so.
Ha ha.
Ha ha.
Yeah.
Ha ha.
Ha ha.
Ha ha.
Ho ho to the funny farm.

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Ha ha.
Well, I'm just here to help with the
interview process, so I don't have a paycheck.
But for this role, compensation details would be
discussed later in the hiring process.
Anything else you're curious about?
My conversation went pretty smoothly with no glitches,
though I probably didn't score the job.
There are a handful of startups working on
this software.
One of them, Toronto-based Ribbon AI, was

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founded just two years ago.
CEO Arsham Garimani says he already has 400
customers.
I do think this will become the norm
for a lot of industries.
So I think like a manufacturer, really large
restaurant chains.
These are all areas where it's often really
hard to hire for those roles.
He says the AI recruiter works around the

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clock, so it saves employers from running hundreds
of interviews a day.
And it frees up human employees from tedious
tasks like scheduling.
Though Garimani insists humans make the final call
on hiring.
I think a lot of people are scared
because AI is getting so good so fast.
And I understand those fears there.

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But I think ultimately, humans are always making
decisions.
I think they'll always be a human in
the loop.
Still, it's clear as more companies embrace the
technology, who knows what's next?
Workers will have to expect changes too.
No, no, you're going to wind up hiring
crap candidates.
This is so...
Oh, yeah.
There'll be a little pamphlet or a book

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or something on how to beat the AI
because there'll be two or three companies that
set the systems up.
And so they'll all have the same flaws.
So once the flaws are exploited, the smart
money will get all the jobs.
There's not even smart money, it's just people
that looked up the right way to do
it.
This whole thing, I mean, do you want
to stick on AI?

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Because I have a lot.
We can come back to it later if
you prefer.
I'm happy to do it now.
And there's some funny stuff.
My whole thing, I want to do these
Vax Clips, but I...
Oh, well, I got a lot of Vax
Clips too.
We're Vax Crazy, man.
We're going back to Vax.
I would like to start the Vax Clips
because I think you're going to have a
hard time beating NPR.

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But at the same time...
Hold on, let me see.
I think I have NPR Vax Clips.
Let me see.
Well, I don't actually.
It may be...
I'll tell you what, because it's top of
mind, and as we know, the M5M is
completely owned by Big Pharma.

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They are the largest advertiser by over 70
% of revenue.
The amount of scripted stuff, it is so
disgusting.
I didn't...
I want to set you up.
I want to set you up.
Okay, I was just going to say that
this trickles down to local.

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Oh, it trickles down to everywhere.
But I think the most important thing we
can do for our No Agenda producers is
go to the origin, the origin being the
actual statement Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. made.
He made a statement.
I...
Please don't, because it's the punchline to my

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NPR Clips.
Okay, do your NPR Clips and screw y
'all.
Go find it yourself.
No, it'll be in here.
It's all in here.
Well, yeah, okay.
Okay, let's do it.
It's all in here except for the good
part.
Well, yeah, that's why I wanted to play
the whole thing.
No, no, the good part.
That's the punchline.
Really, take my word for it.

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I'm taking your word for it.
It's the last clip.
It's the...
You know what?
You know, Chad JCD would just say, sure,
Adam, go ahead.
You're the mom.
Yeah, I know.
That's the reason that I'm here.
Go for it.
This is the part they left out, but
they go through the whole thing.
This is terrible.
This is NPR, and I want to mention
this in advance.
These people wanted government money, taxpayer money, to

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produce what is nothing less than...
It used to only be called drivel.
And the people that they brought on, it's
just...
It's an apology for the whole big pharma.
Let's play these clips, starting with clip one.
The Department of Health and Human Services is
cancelling almost a half billion dollars in federal
contracts that were meant to develop new mRNA
vaccines.

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It's the latest step that the administration has
taken to curtail vaccine development and availability.
To curtail.
Okay, I had to stop it here.
They've taken steps to curtail availability?
Haven't we discussed this on the show a
million times, that that's bullcrap?
All they're doing is keeping people from getting
it for free, maybe?

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You can always get these vaccines.
Yes, that is what we call a lie.
Yes, a lie.
So they start off the entire presentation with
a blatant lie.
Yes.
The administration is trying to curtail availability.
That's what she said.
I heard it.
I heard it.
We should defund them.

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Oh, wait.
Let's go to two.
Curtail vaccine development and availability.
The move has alarmed, alarmed, alarmed public health
experts and PR health correspondent Rob Stein joins
us now to explain.
Hi, Rob.
Hey there.
Hi.
Hey there.
Hey, so hey, so I don't want to
exaggerate here, but.

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Okay, so the reason you really want to
play your clips is you put five hours
worth of work into editing these things to
ridicule these poor people who are just reading
scripts to start off with.
But okay.
Hey, hey, Adam.
That's okay.
But go ahead, Kara.
Hey there.
Hey there.
Hey, so hey, so I don't want to
exaggerate here, but this sounds like a huge

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blow, blow, blow to the development of mRNA
technology, right?
Like what exactly did the Trump administration announce
here?
Yeah, it's a huge blow.
The mRNA technology is what made the most
commonly used COVID-19 vaccines available so fast.
Holy crap.
This guy is great.
Where did he come from?
Does he work for NPR?
You don't get enough ad noise.

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He just can't breathe.
Did he come from the podcast side of
the house?
It's interesting.
But Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. says the Biomedical Advanced Research and
Development Authority, known as BARDA, is canceling a
slew of federal contracts that were meant to
develop mRNA technology to protect the country against

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respiratory viruses that could cause the next pandemic
and other threats.
Let's listen to a little of what Kennedy
said in this video.
It's so hard to take this guy seriously.
And other threats.
Oh, announcement.
After extensive review, BARDA has begun the process

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of terminating these 22 contracts, totaling just under
$500 million.
And this comes after Kennedy had already canceled
more than $700 million in contracts to develop
an mRNA vaccine to protect against flu viruses
that could cause the next outbreak, like, you
know, the bird flu.
Yeah, wait, so did he say why he's

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doing all this?
Well, you know, Kennedy has long questioned the
safety of these vaccines, and he's also saying
the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines leaves something
to be desired.
As the pandemic showed us, mRNA vaccines don't
perform well against viruses that infect the upper
respiratory tract.
And Kennedy goes much further, claiming the mRNA

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vaccines actually speed the evolution of the virus
and can't keep up with new mutations.
Yeah.
OK.
All right.
Well, they go.
First of all, they're taking these selective clips
from the Kennedy talk.
Yes, very much.
And then they're extrapolating, which is what you
do.
And then and they're doing it in such

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a way that it's like the guy's a
maniac.
This Kennedy guy is vaccine has.
We know it's not true.
We just we can't prove the to the
to the contrary.
But we all know it's not true.
He's anti-vax.
Yeah, because he's anti-vax.
We know that that's the problem with this
guy.
After reviewing the science and consulting top experts

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at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that
mRNA technology poses more risk and benefits for
these respiratory viruses.
Hold on.
How are public health experts?
Hold on.
I'm a newsreader.
I know a lot about this stuff.
Hold on.
It's safe and effective.

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I mean, hold on.
How are public health experts responding to that?
Yeah, they're saying that none of what Kennedy
claims is true.
Yes, none of it.
Not a single bit of it.
I know this is the this is the
memo that went out.
None of it is true.
None of it.
None of it.

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Yeah, there's tons of evidence to the contrary.
A new report just came out from Japan
showing the rate of deaths of people that
got the shot is higher than the rate
of deaths of people that didn't get the
shot to an extreme.
But none of it's true.
None of it.
None of it.
Not a single word of it.

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Well, who do you think they're going to
bring in to talk about this?
Please let it be Hotez.
No.
Hotez is only network TV.
Hotez is only network TV.
He's very rarely on NPR.
That's too bad.
Yeah, but this guy's better.
Really?
Better than Hotez?
OK, here we go.

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According to the experts I talked to today,
there is overwhelming evidence that the mRNA COVID
vaccines are very safe and that they continue
to protect people against severe illness, even as
the coronavirus evolves and that they've saved millions
of lives.
Here's Michael Osterholm from the University of Minnesota.
The progenitor of everything.

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The guy who came on just before I
was on Rogan telling us that two million
people were going to die overnight.
Ah!
This may be the most dangerous.
Oh, by the way, got COVID himself and
has been, oh, he says long COVID, which
I think is a vax injury.
A couple of times, I think.
I think is a vax injury.
And don't pay no attention to that.
Osterholm from the University of Minnesota.

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This may be the most dangerous public health
judgment that I've seen in my 50 years
in this business.
It is baseless and we will pay a
tremendous.
How old is he?
Well, he's probably 70 then.
He's been in the business for 50 years.
Now, if he was 20, you can get
in the business when you're 20.
You can't you can't get your medical degree

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by the time you're.
No, no, in the business, the business of
health, the health care business doesn't mean you
have to be an MD.
I could be in the health care business
without an MD for 50 years.
He's 72.
He's 72.
OK, all right.
All right.
I doable.
I concede.
I concede.
It's baseless and we will pay a tremendous
price, both in terms of illnesses and deaths.

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I'm extremely worried about it because also he
says this leaves the nation without the quickest
response to a new pandemic.
And also many say abandoning MRNA technology leaves
the country more vulnerable to bioterrorism.
Here's Chris Meekins.
He's a bio defense official in the first
Trump administration.
This is a tell.

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This is a tell.
You know, the whole one of the main
theories that this was a bioweapon test gone
wrong and that the MRNA shots were there
as the antidote.
Is it tell when people are coming out?
Well, you know, it's like we're open to
bioterrorism now without that.
Also, that awesome MRNA technology.

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Well, don't forget, we had the clips from
Malone that was that discussed the fact that
this was the CIA's answer.
CIA funded it.
Funded answer to bioterrorism.
And they wanted to create a platform and
to use the word platform.
Yes, platform.
Yes.
Well, I could stop anything.

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But the problem with the platform and they
were the two the adenovirus platform was the
other one that was competitive.
That caused the blood clot.
Their platform is equal to I was going
to say OS2, but that was actually kind
of good.
It's basically Windows 3.1. I think it's

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a platform that doesn't that's that's no good.
It's got documentation.
All the documentation is coming out is against
it.
But these guys are fighting back there.
I don't know why they're fighting back to
such an extreme.
They either got something planned.
I don't like it.
First Trump administration.
I think that it endangers the national security

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of the United States.
It could put the U.S. at a
strategic national security disadvantage and would be a
significant threat to the national security of the
United States because the U.S. will no
longer have the most powerful.
He's got two reasons.
If you go back it up, there's two
reasons that that's a problem.

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One, it's a national security threat.
And two, it's a national security threat to
the United States.
Right.
Because we won't have the same exact thing.
What is he saying?
Is there was because of this and that,
and they're both the same national security threat,
national security threat.
Now you're just mutinous.
OK, it's OK.

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We got we got frustration.
I think that it endangers the national security
of the United States.
It could put the U.S. at a
strategic national security disadvantage and would be a
significant threat to the national security of the
United States because the U.S. will no
longer have the most powerful deterrent effective vaccines

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that could be deployed quickly.
Now, Kennedy says the government instead plans to
invest in another technology that uses whole viruses
that have been killed.
He says that works better because it produces
natural immunity.
But the whole virus technology is much older
and has had some safety issues that isn't
nearly as nimble as the mRNA technology.

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That is NPR health correspondent Rob Stein.
Thank you, Rob.
OK, so this guy, this was so bad.
It was an embarrassment.
NPR should be ashamed of itself for this
presentation.
And they played these clips from Kennedy.
But the one clip they left out, which
is this one, which is part of the

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big clip that you have and I want
to play this clip because this is the
clip that they they this is editing by
omission where you leave something out so you
can tell your story, but your story is
bullcrap because you left something out and what
you left out is the good clip.
And this is the Vax Kennedy clip left
out.

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One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective.
This dynamic drives a phenomenon called antigenic shift,
meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations
and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus
constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of
the vaccine.
Yeah, that was a very important part of

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his presentation.
That was to me the most important part.
Well, what he said, other things.
I mean, I can play it, but.
Yeah, well, you might as well play the
whole thing now so we can actually hear
what he said instead of the NPR propaganda.
And by the way, they were they were
amongst the worst.
But then when I heard my local news

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report from KTVU, it was probably worse.
Do you have a clip?
No.
I mean, I could clip all day and
it'd be the same thing.
Just you know what it is.
It's just a bunch of promotion.
Well, promotion.
It's it's what is the term Hilton Knowles
is crisis management is what it is because

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they don't want people to stop getting any
vaccine.
You know, we don't want you to because,
you know, people are stupid.
They're all vaccines.
Not good.
Robert Kennedy said it.
But MMR, MMR, it's a big one for
us.
We can't have them stop taking that.
They have example after example.
I'm not happy with everything RFK Jr. said,
though.
Hi, it's Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. Once you go, hey, hi.

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Oh, hey, everybody.
Hey, it's Bobby.
It's Bobby, everybody.
You're HHS secretary.
I like that.
I'm your HHS secretary.
At HHS, we have a division called the
Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA.
BARDA drives some of our most advanced scientific
research.
It funds developments of vaccines, drugs, diagnostics and

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other tools to fight emerging diseases and national
health threats.
Over the past few weeks, BARDA reviewed 22
MRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them.
Let me explain why.
Most of these shots are for flu or
COVID.
But as the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines
don't perform well against viruses that infect the

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upper respiratory tract.
Here's the problem.
MRNA only codes for a small part of
the viral proteins, usually a single antigen.
One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective.
This dynamic drives a phenomena called antigenic shift,
meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations

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and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus
constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of
the vaccine.
Millions of people, maybe even you or someone
you know, are dead, got the Omicron variant
despite being vaccinated.
That's because a single mutation can make MRNA

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vaccines ineffective.
The same risk applies to flu.
After reviewing the science and consulting top experts
at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that
MRNA technology poses more risk than benefits for
these respiratory viruses.
Didn't hear that anywhere.
That's why after extensive review, BARDA has begun

(24:52):
the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling
just under $500 million.
Now, wait for it.
To replace the troubled MRNA programs, we're prioritizing
the development of safer, broader vaccine strategies.
Not liking this, Bobby.
Like a whole virus vaccines and novel platforms
that don't collapse.

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New platforms.
When viruses mutate.
Let me be absolutely clear.
HHS supports safe, effective vaccines for every American
who wants them.
Yeah, keep that up.
Tell everyone this one is safe and effective.
Try that on us.
That's why we're moving beyond the limitations of
MRNA for respiratory viruses and investing in better

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solutions.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
So and they're going for that one vaccine
for all.
I don't like any of it.
But he has to do what he has
to do because he's under so much pressure
by the.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
He was.
I'm cutting.

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No, I'm not accepting that.
He was.
He was like, oh, we're going to open
up the archives.
We're going to look at all the at
all the corruption.
OK, the three promises is what you're referring
to, including.
Yeah, we're going to really look at all
the damage that these vaccines have done and
we're going to stop advertising.
He can't stop the advertising because it's all

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editorializing as witnessed by this mini cut of
four M5M reports, which are, of course, exactly
the same promote the makers that.
Well, hold on a second.
I know where you're going here, but you
can't stop the advertising.
The advertising, the advertising is what drives the
editorial.

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You can I would say here's the argument
you can make.
OK, so there's no more advertising.
So they're not going to pay us to
do editorials.
They're going to give us big bucks.
Yeah, to just do the straight, which is
what you're suggesting.
But I don't think that you're going to
get away with that.
Oh, please.
Yeah, I don't think so.
You've been on the take for those Amazon
tip of the days for months.

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No one knew it.
No one knew it.
I should have a link.
I should have a special code.
Code Bungino.
New at seven, the U.S. Health Department
says it plans to cancel contracts and cut
funding for some vaccines being developed to fight
respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.
Health Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy, Jr. now says 500 million dollars in

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vaccine development projects will be halted.
The 22 projects are led by major drug
makers like Pfizer and Moderna.
The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the.
Wait a minute, are you telling me that
Pfizer and Moderna who make billions and billions

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in profits, this is right up your alley,
can't finance their own damn research.
Why are we why is the taxpayer picking
up the tab for this when they have
plenty of profits to do it and they're
going to make more money from our taxpayer
funded research?
Is that what you're saying?
Here's how the meeting went.
Hi, we're from Fiderna.

(28:03):
This is a new coalition.
And we want to talk to you about
editorial that, you know, we might just transfer
some money to some other department.
But Fiderna, we're very concerned about these contracts
that have been canceled.
We want to keep our name out there
to make us look like the little guy,
like the big government is trying to come
down on us.

(28:23):
And you have to follow it up by
saying our product, Fiderna, our product was responsible
for really saving people's lives.
But say it a little softer.
Two projects are led by major drug makers
like Pfizer and Moderna.
The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the
2020 coronavirus pandemic.

(28:44):
That's perfect.
That's exactly the line I want.
Could you type that out for me so
I can give it to everybody else?
Kennedy says he wants the department to invest
in, quote, better solutions, but provided no details
on what those better solutions might be.
Let's try the next guys.
The Department of Health and Human Services plans
to cancel contracts and pull funding for some
vaccines being developed to fight viruses like COVID

(29:07):
-19 and the flu.
Kennedy Jr. announced that $500, $500 million.
Oh, she flubbed.
Make good, make good.
I should say, worth of vaccine development projects
using Myrna technology.
Myrna!
Tell her it's MRNA.
It's not Myrna.
Tell her it's MRNA.
She said Myrna.
I'm not paying for this spot.

(29:28):
This is ridiculous.
Worth of vaccine development projects using Myrna technology
will be halted.
The 22 projects are led by major pharmaceutical
companies like Pfizer and Moderna.
And these MRNA or Myrna vaccines are credited
with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic.
Kennedy wants the department.
What credited with slowing, credited with slowing the
pandemic is the opposite of what is being

(29:50):
said by Kennedy.
Invest in better solutions, but he provided no
details on what those better solutions might be.
No, no details.
No, they have plenty of details, but there's
no details.
No, it's a catchphrase.
All of this.
And let's do it again.
Human Services is pulling $500 million worth of
vaccine development funding.
Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. said the 22 projects being halted

(30:13):
all use MRNA technology.
That's the type of vaccine credited with slowing
the COVID-19 pandemic.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Credited with very good.
But I didn't hear our names in there.
Kennedy said he wants the department to start
investing in better solutions.
The Department of Health and Human Services will
cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines

(30:33):
that are being developed to fight viruses like
COVID-19 and the flu.
According to AP News, this will impact 22
projects led by pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and
Moderna.
While MRNA vaccines are credited with slowing the
2020 pandemic, Kennedy said he wants the department
to move away from MRNA vaccines, calling on
the department to start investing in better solutions.

(30:55):
Yes, better solutions.
OK, so that's how it works.
But let's pull in some real editorial.
And if you really want to come across
as credible and you're CBS and you're the
morning show, you bring in Dr. Selene Gounder,
who I believe the husband literally died.
I mean, it wasn't from a vax or

(31:17):
anything.
Wasn't that the guy, the sports reporter?
I'm pretty sure it was.
Maybe.
Pounder, Gounder, not sure.
I'm sure.
I think it was.
The Trump administration is pulling half a billion
dollars in funding for MRNA vaccine research projects.
Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. says the technology is too risky,
even though it's been widely used for COVID

(31:38):
vaccines.
Yes, Gounder, Grant Wall.
He died at the World Cup in Qatar.
But, you know, it had nothing.
It was had nothing to do with safe
and effective vaccine.
Well, she gets paid money and she gets
paid money.
And, you know, what are you going to
do at some point?
To hell with hubby.
So to hell with hubby.
There's a show title.

(31:59):
So there it still galls me.
It's just that these guys is the 500
million, which is a pittance compared to the
profits these drug companies make.
It's just free money for them the way
they see it.
It's just like, oh, this is entitlement.
Oh, you know, you said you were going

(32:19):
to send us this free money.
We're going to use it for whatever.
But where's our free money that we don't
really need for this research that we, you
know, we're just going to slam you because
you're not going to give us free money.
This is terrible.
This whole country is confounded with this kind
of.
Entitled free money to these corporate entities that

(32:41):
don't deserve it.
Yeah, go get a podcast and work like
a normal person, doctor.
Let's bring in CBS News medical contributor Dr.
Celine Gounder, who is also editor at large
for Public Health.
They should say the widow, Dr. Celine Gounder.
KFF.
I'm sorry, I'm bad.
I'm that was that was bad.
I'm going to suffer.
Unnecessary roughness.
Dr. Gounder.
Good morning.
Good morning.

(33:02):
So what exactly is an MRNA vaccine and
why is this happening?
In the past, we have used what we
call whole virus vaccine.
So this is 1.0 technology.
Stop the clip.
You're going to love this.
Are they starting the entire lecture about MRNA
vaccines?
Over from scratch has been a reset.

(33:23):
Somebody hit the button.
Yes.
When did this happen?
Well, the minute Bobby came out and said
this, they have so they hit the reset
button.
And now we're going to go right back
to the beginning of the explanation for MRNA.
Yes.
But or Myrna or whatever you want to
call Myrna from Fiderna.

(33:44):
She has a technology explanation for this, which
I think you will enjoy since you like
the term platform so much.
In the past, we have used what we
call whole virus vaccine.
So this is 1.0 technology.
1.0 technology.
It's not technology.
It's biology.
Wouldn't you agree?

(34:04):
Chad, JCD.
Yes, it's biology.
Technology to me is always, you know, something
that is well, well, that was anything that
involves living organisms would be biology.
Well, that is a 1.0 of this
technology.
Let's see what 2.0 is really a
hundred year old technology.

(34:25):
So a lot of your older vaccines were
based on that.
You would take the virus.
You would weaken it.
You would kill it.
And that's what you would use to get
the immune response.
The problem with that is you get a
lot more side effects.
And so over time, we've tried to be
more and more specific.
2.0 technology was to have a very
specific protein.
2.0 was the protein.
2.0, 2.0. We went to 2

(34:46):
.0. Okay.
specific protein.
So for example, the spike protein in COVID.
I want, I want, what is the latest
iOS?
I think it should be 18.6 at
this point.
So I feel on par with my phone,
with my vaccine technology.
3.0 technology, which is mRNA.

(35:09):
Just wait, stop.
I forgot what was 2.0. I didn't
get that part.
2.0 was using specific proteins.
What vaccine, the name of vaccine that was
that?
What was the example?
Let's listen.
The problem with that is you get a
lot more side effects.
And so over time, we've tried to be
more and more specific.

(35:29):
specific protein.
So for example, the spike protein in COVID.
I don't, she may be talking about the
J and J, that they use the protein
there, the spike protein.
Or is that the mRNA?
The fight during the myrna.
Sounds like the myrna to me.
Cause that's what the deal is.

(35:50):
Then let's listen closely to what 3.0
is.
3.0 technology, which is mRNA.
Just to review a little bit of basic
genetics.
Your DNA, your cells produce mRNA using your
DNA.
So that's a code.
mRNA is also a code.
mRNA codes for.
It's code, it's code.
ChadGBT is going to write my myrna code.

(36:10):
Protein.
And it's, what the advantage of mRNA is,
is it's much faster to make than a
protein vaccine.
It's much more efficient.
And so when you're in the middle of
an emergency, like a COVID pandemic, you want
the fastest thing possible.
Something that you don't have to wait years
to develop.
I think this is a very good development.
I want all scientists involved in myrna.

(36:31):
The fight during the scientists in myrna.
I want them all to talk about this
like it's technology.
Because then I can say, yeah, it'll be
just as great as windows.
And everyone will go, oh, oh, maybe I
don't want that.
Because that's the truth of it.
When is it going to be the Linux
version?
Well, that would be just getting COVID and

(36:51):
lying down for a couple of days and
getting back up.
I got to tell you, the summer surge
here is on.
And we have a mix of people here
in Fredericksburg.
Oh, there's that sigh.
I tested.
I have COVID.
Yeah, me too.
I didn't test.
I feel kind of crappy, but I'm getting
better every day.

(37:12):
Yeah, but I can't go out.
What?
I can't go out.
I can't go out.
I've been brainwashed.
Yes.
Yes.
What is it?
Oh, it was full on purple.
Okay.
You got really severe.
I don't even know what that means.
The test was more purple than purple.

(37:33):
I don't know.
I don't know.
I've taken this test.
It's never turned any color.
It's a sigh up.
Totally.
I guess so.
All right, let's continue.
We should care about this now.
Why?
Yeah, good question.
Why should we care about it?
Why?
I feel okay.
Well, you know, we are on the precipice
potentially of another pandemic with H5N1.

(37:56):
When was the last pandemic before this one?
1918.
So that's about 100 years, over 100 years.
Dude, we're on the press.
When was the one before the 1918?
Why are you arguing?
This is CBS morning news.
That is Gail, Oprah's girlfriend.
Why are you arguing?
I mean, did you argue with Ellen?

(38:17):
So I can keep my job so I
don't get kicked out by the chat thing
you're working on.
Well, you know, we are on the precipice
potentially of another pandemic with H5N1 bird flu.
And we have been watching this, tracking this
for the last year or two.
These things are extremely unpredictable.
Could we have a pandemic in the next
month or two?
Could we have a pandemic in 10 years?

(38:38):
We have no idea.
But we need to be prepared is the
message here.
Like my husband used to say in the
Boy Scouts, be prepared.
He was a Boy Scout.
Well, okay, since you asked, I was going
to wait for it.
But we might as well because, and it's
coming from Fox News.
And that Fox News, they're not stupid.
They know.
They know where their bread is buttered.

(38:59):
And they're run by lefty nut jobs.
Breaking news.
Breaking tonight, a viral outbreak in China prompts
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the
CDC, to issue a travel warning.
More than 7,000 cases of this disease
have been reported so far.
State Department correspondent Jillian Turner has details tonight
live from the State Department.

(39:19):
Good evening, Jillian.
Oh, yeah.
Good evening.
From the State Department.
Hello from the State Department.
State Department.
Yeah, this will be the State Department.
How come it's not our friend?
Isn't she the spokeswoman for the State Department?
What's her name?
Tammy Bruce.
Tammy, Tammy.
If it was Tammy.
But Tammy's like, no, I'm not getting involved
in this nonsense.
You go.
Live from the State Department.

(39:40):
Good evening, Jillian.
Good evening, Brett.
The CDC, as you mentioned, is warning Americans
traveling to China about chikungunya.
It is a virus that spreads.
Okay.
Okay.
Hold on a second.
Marketing department.
I love chikungunya.
Marketing department.
This is no good.
This is no good.
We need a better name.
It sounds like the new variation of a

(40:01):
burrito at some Mexican restaurant.
Chikungunya with refried beans.
Humans through infected mosquito bites.
It can cause severe illness with symptoms that
mimic pretty closely dengue fever and Zika virus.
Ah, Zika.
Small heads are coming.
Zika, Zika, Zika.
Small heads are coming.
It's mostly found in Africa.

(40:22):
Here's what the CDC says about it.
They say most people infected get better within
a week.
However, some can have severe joint pain for
months to years.
Other symptoms include severe fever and fatigue.
The outbreak now is in the Chinese province
Guangdong.
It's near Hong Kong with more than 7
,000 cases reported so far, prompting some pretty
dramatic measures to contain the spread, like mandatory

(40:47):
insect repellent blasts for people entering the area,
mandatory property checks for stagnant water, which attracts
mosquitoes, and when found is now punishable by
fines or even arrest.
Yeah, we're going to blast you with insect
repellent.
This is great.
All we need now is a couple of
TikTok videos of people falling dead on the
street.
Come on, China.
Come on.

(41:07):
But don't worry.
Don't worry.
This particular outbreak won't actually kill you.
The CDC says Americans traveling to eight other
countries are also at elevated risk of exposure
to the virus.
Even if there is no current outbreak there,
people at risk for more severe cases of
chikungunya include newborns, seniors 65 years and up.

(41:30):
As well as people with diabetes or heart
disease.
Now, the good news is that unlike COVID,
deaths from this disease are exceedingly rare.
You can also protect yourself by getting vaccinated
against it or by preventing mosquito bites in
the first place through all the usual mechanisms,
insect repellent, netting, wearing long sleeves, and staying

(41:50):
in air conditioning.
John, break out that we need netting.
We need to get netting.
We need netting hats.
We need netting shirts.
We need mosquito.
It'll be chikungunya, protective gear.
It has to be netting, netting.
Netting is the new way because if you
don't, well, we're going to lock you up.
If you happen to get this, they're quarantining
you in hospitals with mosquito netting and not

(42:13):
letting you out for a week.
These are the kind of draconian responses we
saw with COVID.
We're seeing it again.
I can't wait.
Bring it on.
Bring on your chikungunya.
I'm good.
Your chikigori.
It's all good.
It's all good.
Now, of course, we need to expand our
anti-Bobby the Op campaign because we are

(42:34):
very, very concerned about parents who are just,
you know, I'm just not trusting all these
vaccines.
There's too much talk about, you know, should
we really be giving our kids 76 vaccines
within the first four years of their lives?
I'll tell you what.
Oh, there's one other problem.
All of the doctors, the pediatricians, they're really,

(42:58):
I mean, the income is down.
Revenue is down.
Advertising, underwriting, whatever you want to call it,
revenue is down because we get a big
bonus for all of the fully vaccinated children
that we have attending our practice.
So I think, you know, we have, we
got a new president for the Association of
Family Doctors.
Let's give her a script.

(43:19):
Let's make sure that the newsreader has the
script.
Let's throw in a couple of new terms.
We'll have her repeat them a lot and
him as well.
And let's see if we can get the
ball rolling here, shall we?
New data from the CDC shows the rate
of vaccinations among kindergartners has dropped again.
There are more than 280,000 kindergartners who
are not protected against measles.

(43:41):
Dr. Sarah Nozal is the president-elect of
the American Academy of Family Physicians and joins
us now live.
Thanks for being with us.
First of all, let's talk about what's behind
the drop.
I know early on after COVID, people were
a little kind of vaccine.
They should have just had in the scripts,
Trump.
That would have been easier, but no, okay.
COVID, people were a little kind of vaccine
exhausted.

(44:02):
Vaccine exhausted.
This is a new term.
He's not doing it exactly right, but we'll
take it.
It used to be vaccine hesitant.
They are changing this narrative to vaccine exhausted.
I'm just- Good catch.
Oh, it gets better.
COVID, people were a little kind of vaccine
exhausted, if you will.
What do you think is behind parents not
getting their kids vaccinated nowadays?

(44:23):
So many families are not engaged with their
regular family doctor or pediatrician.
Getting all of their questions answered.
I think finding that trusted source to ask
those questions.
She's reading.
She's reading, okay?
She's reading.
Listen to the read.
About how important should this be?
When we're asking families now and we're then
surveying across the country, families are saying this

(44:44):
is not as important as it used to
be 10, 20 years ago to have your
child fully vaccinated.
And that's really concerning to us as family
physicians and communities, where the whole community of
immunity is what's going to be really critical
to protect not just all of us, but
your kid at home and when they go
to school.
Now, did you hear her new phrase?

(45:07):
No.
Community of immunity.
Oh, I missed it.
Oh, it's coming up again.
Don't worry.
And we've had kind of a real world
test of this, if you will, in Texas.
Those dumb rednecks down in Texas.
Real world.
That was a test.
It was a test.
Those idiots.
By the way, just as an interruption here,
did you know that compared to Texas, that
Texas pales.

(45:27):
Canada is much worse.
Alberta.
Alberta, Canada, much worse than Texas.
I know.
I know.
What is the rationale for not playing that
up in the script?
Hello.
This is Chicago WGN.
This is MedWatch.
This is for Americans.
If we, oh, Canada, who gives a crap

(45:48):
about Canada?
But we can laugh about the Texas.
You don't want to be about like Texas.
Yeah.
A lot of it has to do with
this old theory that you want to put
a bunch of dumb rednecks.
Yes.
Hey, let's talk to the man on the
show.
Well, I'm here on the street and I
don't know anything.
I'm dumb.
You can tell by listening to my voice
and my accent.
If you will, in Texas, let us know

(46:10):
how that kind of evolved and whether or
not it was the outbreak that people had
feared.
The measles outbreak in Texas shows us exactly
why a community of immunity and what sometimes
we've heard of as herd immunity is really
important.
Measles is the most contagious of all of
the vaccination infectious diseases we can prevent.

(46:31):
And we really need more than 95 percent
of our kids and our communities to be
vaccinated to make sure we don't risk an
outbreak like we're seeing in Texas.
And so as we're seeing across the board,
CDC vaccines are falling from 95 percent before
the pandemic, little by little, down into the
low 90 percentages.

(46:51):
We know we're OK.
Hold on.
Let's just talk about percentages.
It fell from 95 percent down into the
low 90s, which could be 93 of 90.
If you got to 91, it could be
94.
I mean, so we're talking a couple of
percentage points.
As we're seeing, it dropped from 95 percent

(47:11):
down into the low 90s because she's correct
in that regard.
People are just watching us go drooling across
the board.
CDC vaccines are falling from 95 percent before
the pandemic, little by little, down into the
low 90 percentages.
We know we're risking losing our community of
immunity that there is a community of immunity.

(47:34):
She does it twice.
Now, let's get his phrase correct, because he
tried to just do it to try to
look natural and not read the prompter.
And then while she was talking, he got
in his ear like, OK, that was a
good ad lib, but we'd really like you
to stick to the script, OK?
So what do you do about it?
If it's that important and you want to

(47:55):
get the message out, how do you reach
people who are vaccine skeptical or just vaccine
tired?
That's it.
Vaccine tired.
That's better.
Much better.
And how do you get the message out?
By paying for editorials like this.
The first place is to make sure you
go and talk to your trusted physician.
Your family doctor, your pediatrician will be there

(48:16):
for you to discuss and go through what
vaccines are recommended.
All of the evidence shows that you want
to get every single recommended vaccine together and
on time.
That's a common question that patients ask is,
is it better to space it out?
And you want to get all of those
vaccines on time.
That is the most beneficial and has the
best outcome when those kids have the immune

(48:37):
systems ready to go and ready to protect
them going forward.
You see, they can't time their stock purchases
if it's not all in one go.
You got to have it on time so
the doctors know how much money they'll be
getting so they can, you know, buy into
Nancy Pelosi's portfolio or whatever it is they
do.
This is ghoulish, this lady.
She's the new president.

(49:00):
I'm going to guess what happens next because
you have more clips.
I think you do.
No, no, I don't have more clips of
her.
Oh, really?
Because I would have sworn the next thing
would have happened.
He would have said to her.
I walked right into it, didn't I?
He would have said.
So what is the purpose?
Don't you think we should revisit the idea

(49:22):
that the vaccine manufacturers are immune to any
sort of liability because not because the vaccines
are no good, but they should not be
immune to liability for the simple fact that
it ensures that the manufacturing process is kept
on the up and up so they don't
get careless?

(49:42):
And because it's getting careless, you would get
some liability issues.
So don't you think that it's time to
revisit the liability issue?
Because it's the only product that's sold like
this.
All the other drug products, all products, all
products, right?
All products except this one product have to

(50:02):
be made responsibly.
Thus, liability issues and liability laws do apply
to all products ever made except this one
product.
Don't you think that should be revisited?
I think we should pose that question to
Robert Kennedy, Jr. Wasn't that one of his
promises at some point?

(50:23):
I think it was.
It wasn't part of the big three, I
think.
But I think he's mentioned it.
Come on.
I mean, come on.
The American people should demand this.
We should demand liability.
Amen.
And I'm going to go back to this.
I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
I'll say it forever as long as this
podcast is on the air.
If you recall during the swine flu phony

(50:47):
baloney pandemic.
Well, the 1976 or the or the 2000.
The one that we covered.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nine, I guess.
I think it was nine.
Where they had lines around the block.
They had actually were shipping live virus in
many of the batches.

(51:08):
That were making people deathly sick.
And there was no liability for any of
this sloppy production.
I mean, I think it may have been
doing it on purpose for obvious reasons.
But let's say they weren't.
It was just sloppy.
They can put dog shit in these shots
and you can't sue anybody.
Who says they don't?

(51:29):
They might.
Well, just to round this out.
I was fortunate enough to get a quick
hit, as we say in the biz.
I did a quick hit there on the
network from Dr. Peter Hotep.
BARDA reviewed 22 MRNA vaccine development investments and

(51:50):
began canceling them.
Kennedy Jr., who has made anti-vaccine claims
in the past, announcing that the technology behind
COVID vaccines won't be funded anymore.
As the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines don't
perform well.
The vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can
actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates

(52:12):
to escape.
Yeah, so none of that is actually true.
The vaccines managed to keep many, many people
out of the hospital.
Angela Rasmussen is a virologist at the University
of Saskatchewan.
Experts see this decision as a bad bet
against a life-saving, Nobel Prize winning technology
that pulled humanity through a long pandemic.
And the health secretary is wrong about what

(52:33):
makes them longer.
Viruses mutate when they replicate.
And they replicate when they spread.
The best way to prevent a virus from
spreading is to make sure those people are
protected against the virus by vaccination.
The jabs that protected billions, including children and
the elderly, took testing, clinical trials, mass production

(52:54):
and distribution.
But it was all possible in less than
a year because of this novel technology.
MRNA technology makes it really possible to rapidly
respond to a novel emerging virus.
Which means this funding loss, $500 million U
.S., is a bet against fighting future infectious
diseases and possibly more.
I'm sorry, it's in this clip.
That was the same report.

(53:15):
Dr. Peter Hotez is co- You, you,
you.
No, here it is.
Your guy.
I know.
You are all salivating.
You're ready to hear Hotez.
Dr. Peter Hotez is co-director of the
Texas Children's Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.
MRNA technology is looking really exciting for next
generation cancer immunotherapeutics.
So this will throw cold water on a
whole big effort that we're pursuing as well.

(53:37):
Beyond the exciting potential, Hotez also sees a
potential chilling effect on pharmaceutical companies.
The U.S. is still the single largest
vaccine market.
If the U.S. Oh, talking about markets
now all of a sudden, are we?
I mean, what is that?
Are you interested in money?
Is a marketing guy all of a sudden?
I guess so.
The U.S. market's the biggest market for
vaccination because of guys like him.

(53:57):
Yep.
U.S. is still the single largest vaccine
market.
If the U.S. is made an executive
decision not to support advanced purchase of MRNA
vaccines.
Advanced purchase?
This guy is in the pipeline.
Advanced purchase?
What has that got to do with the
price of bread in the discussion?

(54:18):
Well, it sounds to me like some of
these contracts were advanced purchases for, you know,
the chikungunya with beans.
Or who knows what?
There's something fishy.
The more we hear, the fishier this sounds.
Yes.
Is made an executive decision not to support
advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines.

(54:40):
And then it's not clear to me whether
the companies will want to pursue this.
We're prioritized.
This is very interesting because that is not
the way this was laid out to us.
What we were hearing is research contracts were
being canceled.
Hotez spilled the beans here.
The chikungunya with beans.
He spills the beans by saying, well, they're

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canceling their advanced buying contracts.
Money in the bank.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
If you heard my earlier screed.
Yes.
About why are they, what is Pfizer and
Moderna?
Pfi-der-na, I think is a good
name, by the way.
Thank you.
Why are they?
Mad.

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Moaning and groaning so much.
They're moaning and groaning because these were, this
was not about research at all.
The reports are bogus.
The sales guys, you know, they just saw
their commission drop through the floor.
What is this all about?
You can't cancel a contract.
We had a deal.
That's $50 million in commissions.
Minimum.
We had a deal, man.
Not to support advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines.

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And then it's not clear to me whether
the companies will want to pursue this.
We're prioritizing the development of safer, broader vaccine
strategies.
Like a whole virus vaccines.
Experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional
vaccine technology is a bad one.
It's not that these vaccines don't work.
They do, but they don't work.
Stop, stop.
These guys are shooting themselves in the foot

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if you think about it.
I know.
Why are we using these other vaccines at
all?
They're no good, it says, sounds like.
Experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional
vaccine technology is a bad one.
It's not that these vaccines don't work.
They do, but they don't work as well
as MRNA vaccines.
Canadians are involved in MRNA.

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So why should I take the MMR vaccine
if it's not as good?
It's 1.0 technology.
You know what?
I think there's a mad dash.
I think they're scrambling.
The message is not cohesive.
There's something going on.
I agree.
There's something going on that we're unaware of.

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It's a missing piece of the puzzle.
And it would explain a lot.
Hotez may have given some of it away.
Sounds like it.
You're right.
Because, you know, the thing is, they read
everybody in on these scams that they produce
for the public's benefit.
All the local news stations, it's pretty much
the same reporting that you play example after
example.
And they would assume that Hotez has got

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the same script when they bring him on
so they don't have to read him in.
And he was too busy eating burgers.
And me, he looks like, yes, he'll give
you some money tomorrow for the burger you
give him today.
Let's just finish 20 seconds.
Let's finish it.
These don't work.
They do.
But they don't work as well as mRNA

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vaccines.
Canadians are involved in mRNA research.
It's not clear how much this funding hit
will affect global development.
But experts warn that this is just part
of a wider effort by Donald Trump's administration
to cut back on scientific investment.
Money, in this case, that would pay off
massively in the form of life-saving vaccines.
Oh, oh, brother.

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Oh, boy.
And that was from CBC, the guys who
have the most measles.
But, oh, yeah, Trump.
Right, they do.
Alberta, in particular.
It's Trump.
It's Trump's fault.
It's Trump.
It's just...
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow is right.
This is terrible.
That they're trying to pull this stunt on
the public at large.
They're winning, generally, because they barrage the public.

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This is what I feel bad about.
The public at large is barraged by this
blatant propaganda, scripted propaganda.
We show it over and over again.
The exact same wordage, the exact same questions,
the exact same answers from the exact same
stooges over and over.
And they inundate, they flood the zone with

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this bullcrap.
So now try to square that with this
report on NBC this morning, because we know
now that it's very important to have research,
scientific research.
Research is necessary.
It's good.
It saves lives.

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We have to be ready.
We've got to pre-purchase.
But research is important.
And then all of a sudden, NBC comes
out with this.
We are back with a growing trend that
is worrying scientists.
Fake research is being produced on an industrial
scale, then getting published in legitimate journals.
Like the Journal for Immunology.

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A new study released on Monday revealed the
number of fraudulent papers has been doubling every
one and a half years.
Researchers say those fake papers typically include doctored
images, plagiarized text, even AI-generated content.
They're designed to easily avoid expert intervention.
That's undermining the trust and high standards that

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scientists depend on.
Okay, so now I'm confused.
Is this a Hegelian dialectic?
What is going on here?
New York Times columnist Carl Zimmer joins me
now.
He spoke with some of the researchers who've
been looking into this issue.
Carl, good to have you with us.
So can you explain how fake research manages
to get published in these journals?

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I mean, I think we all assume there
are checks in place to try and prevent
this.
Well, now this is a good question.
How does that happen?
Don't we have peer review?
Don't we have experts looking at this stuff?
Well, no.
We assume that, and it turns out that's
not always the case.
You will have scientists working individually or even

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entire companies that make a business out of
this that will produce papers that are really
not based on fact.
They will show fabricated images.
They will make claims about experiments that didn't
take place.
And then these papers are submitted to journals
where they're supposed to go through peer review.

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Sometimes they slip through.
Nobody notices until they're accepted because they look
legitimate.
In other cases, editors are actually being bribed.
There's got to be a reason the NBC
is being bribed.
What?
There's got to be a reason they're doing
this.
Something is coming here.
There's going to be some kind of change
because this process is being discredited.

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The very process that we are told to
believe is saving our life with life-saving
vaccines so we can have a community of
immunity.
How big of a problem is this for
science?
And help us understand why those of us
who aren't scientists should be so concerned about
it.
Here's the thought.
Maybe, maybe what we're seeing here is a

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separation of biology and technology.
So we can say, well, the scientists over
there, they're a bunch of phonies.
We on this side, we have MRNA 3
.0. This is technology.
You can trust what we're doing over here.
Possible, possible.

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I'm just trying to come up with something
because this is bugging me.
Well, science works because scientists can build on
each other's work.
If you want to figure out a cure
for cancer, you want to go and look
at what other people have looked at before
for the kind of cancer you're trying to
cure.
Maybe you want to build on what someone

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else did.
If someone else just presented an illusion, you
might waste years trying to build on their
work because it was a dead end.
It's that serious.
I'm I think here's my thesis.
OK, go.
It's a smoke screen.
There's good research out there that shows a
lot of the stuff that they're selling us

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is bull crap.
I would put MRNA in that category.
But wait, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa.
It won a Nobel Prize, man.
Yes, well, I could win a Nobel Prize.
Doesn't mean you should be shooting it to
your body.
OK, fair point.
I mean, a lot of things win a
Nobel Prize.
Obama, Obama, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.

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OK, well, to the average, it's a different
country.
The point is, is that you there is
good research out there that indicates a lot
of bad things.
And so what you want to do is
cover it to create a smoke screen of
bad research and just flood the zone with
bad research.
Wait, wait, maybe this is because Kennedy's about

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to unveil all this about the corruption between
the editors and the papers.
Well, he won.
That's number three on his list.
That was one of his RICO case.
So blame it on the editors and blame
it on rogue elements.
OK, the only actually the only thing in
that report that you played that it stuck
out to you, too.

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In fact, it took you five beats.
I don't know why it took you so
long.
I'm slow.
I need more gigawatt.
Something.
Yeah.
Is that the editors are being bribed.
Yes.
Well, there's two more bits here.
The Trump administration has proposed more cuts to
federally funded research that would include fields, physics,

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climate science, manufacturing.
How much could those cuts affect this issue?
The scientists I've talked to are very concerned
that this could really accelerate this problem with
fraud because you're looking at tremendous cuts and
you're going to have a whole field of
American science where scientists and graduate students are

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looking for jobs are desperate.
There'll be very little support, fewer posts.
And so the the the attraction to cutting
corners and maybe even fabricating is going to
go way up here in the United States.
All right.
Let's get to the final clip, because the
question is, what needs to happen to stop
this?
You spoke with the experts.

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What do they say needs to happen to
try and stop this fraud from happening?
Fraud.
Really, we need to overall how.
What was that?
Yeah, it was like a tell.
That was a tell of some sort.
Really, we need to overall how we look
at the value of science and how we
reward scientists.

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You know, in a lot of countries now,
you have to publish 10, 20 papers a
year to even be considered to for promotion.
And that's got to stop.
We have to focus on the quality of
science and maybe be publishing less science.
You also mentioned some other things here, including
banning scientists who commit misconduct from getting published
in the future.

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That seems like an important thing, too, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah, they're the punishments such as they are
are just not enough to keep people away
from this activity, as you can see, because
it is growing exponentially.
I think you're right.
Chad JCD.
I think you're absolutely right.
They're going to hang out a couple of
scientists and a bunch of editors out to

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dry as corrupt.
They've corrupted the system.
We've rooted it out and it's all good
now.
Well, it's coming down Broadway.
Yeah.
All right.
I mean, Kennedy gave away what he wants
to do, so it's not as though you
can't prepare for it.

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They are.
Well, that was a preparation for sure.
Preparation.
All right, let's do something else.
What you got?
I like preparation.
That's preparation.
What else you got?
You got some you got lots of other
stuff here.
You got I got stuff.
How about you want to Texas, Texas, Texas,
Texas?
Yeah, I got a lot of stuff on
Texas is good.
Yeah, because I have this thing going on.

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Yeah, I know.
I got details when you're ready.
Go for it.
OK, well, I got I got the Texas
update.
Then I have a couple of short super
cuts.
OK, Texas update NTV first.
The latest in the Texas redistricting battle, the
state's governor and attorney general are pushing to
get absent Democrats ousted from office.
And a U.S. senator from Texas is
asking the FBI to get involved.

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Entity's Melina Weiskup has the updates.
Dozens of Democrat state lawmakers from Texas remain
out of state.
There being 94 members present, a quorum is
not present.
Facing arrest warrants and now possible removal from
office.
I'll pay that price for America.
And I think everyone behind me would say
they would do the same.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott is asking the state

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Supreme Court to remove the state House Democratic
Chair Jean Wu.
The governor wrote Texas House Democrats abandoned their
duty to Texans.
And there must be consequences.
As for the other Democrats, the attorney general
is giving them until Friday to return or
he'll seek to remove all of them from
office.
Redistricting happens every 10 years after a census.

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And so this is not the regular way
that we do redistricting.
Their goal is to block a Republican backed
redistricting vote.
That would give the GOP a competing chance
in Democrat held districts.
These voters in these districts won by Trump.
They don't have the ability to vote for
their candidate of choice now because they're in

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congressional districts.
They're in a Democrat district as opposed to
a district won by Trump.
So let me just give a definition because
it's thrown about.
And I have the origin of the term
gerrymandering.
Yes, this is quite good.
And this is very valuable because of where

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it started.
Gerrymandering is the manipulation of congressional district boundaries
to favor one political party or group.
And this is this is done through the
census.
It is the census counts a number of
people.
It involves drawing district lines in ways that
concentrate or dilute voters to influence election outcomes,

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often creating oddly shaped districts.
And if you look at Texas, wow, is
it ever?
It comes from Elbridge Gerry, who redistricted Massachusetts
in 1812.
And it was so nuts, it resembled on
the map a salamander, hence gerrymandering.

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So it is a Democrat idea.
But it has been deployed successfully throughout many
states.
And if you look at Texas, it is
crazy how these districts are drawn.
Yes, it's crazy.
And California is even worse.
But my favorite one, of course, is where
it began, which is Massachusetts.
And I don't have I don't have a

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clip of this woman, but the governor of
Massachusetts.
And, of course, Gavin Newsom.
We've talked about this before.
He says he's going to start.
You know, all these Democrats said they're going
to gerrymander this.
They've already done it.
They've already gerrymandered state.
What more can you do?
And Massachusetts is the funny one because the
governor came out and said, well, if they're
going to do it, then we're going to
do it.

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There is not one single Republican in Congress
from Massachusetts.
What can you do?
There's not one.
They've already gerrymandered the state to death.
So there's not one single Republican.
And they're going to do what?
You know, the origins of of this controversy
actually comes from the Justice Department.

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I don't know if you're interested, but it's
not like the Texas Republicans sat down and
went, well, I've got an idea.
Let's do this.
This was mandated because the way the districts
were made up in Texas was based on
the census, the most recent census, which had

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millions of illegal aliens.
Yeah, it's a huge issue.
That's where it all comes from.
And so the Justice Department said it's going
to the Supreme Court.
And I think they'll have the same opinion.
It's like, no, no, you've got to change
this.
You know, there's a lot of noise out
there like, yeah, let's do a new census.
Let's do one real quick.
I don't know if that's going to happen.

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That's that's that's a big deal.
Well, there's a couple.
There's one explanation in clip three that is
worth noting, but let's play clip two and
then we'll get to three.
That's usually how it goes.
If Democrats return for the vote, the map
is almost certain to be approved.
So they're trying to run out the clock.
We have to know our lines by maybe

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October.
So the time is ticking and it's ticking
away really fast.
That is why you see the attorney general
as well as the governor getting very aggressive
because you can't just change the lines and
you can't change the primary without the Democrats
being there and providing a quorum.
U.S. Senator John Cornyn of Texas has
asked the FBI to help arrest them for

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return to Texas, writing federal resources are necessary
to locate the out-of-state Texas legislators
who are potentially acting in violation of the
law.
All right.
OK, so so this is all, you know,
with everybody's reporting, but this next clip where
they bring an analyst in the old analyst
who actually tells us some new things that

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probably generally aren't known.
The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to
change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered
maps have created unconstitutional coalition.
Boom, boom.
Where's this from?
That was correct.
NTD is NTD.
Yeah.
NTD.
Yeah.
Well, they were right.
That's exactly is the justice, not not Abbott.

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The Justice Department said, look, this thing has
been gerrymandered.
You know, the Republicans would probably have 30
to 40 more seats in Congress if they
fix the way these districts have been carved
up.
The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to
change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered

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maps have created unconstitutional coalition districts.
What are coalition districts?
Coalition district is a district that provides electoral
opportunities for a group or a coalition of
racial minority communities, maybe a black and Hispanic
community or Hispanic and an Asian community taken
together.
Professor Doug Spencer, a constitutional law expert, says

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coalition districts help to remedy violations of the
Voting Rights Act.
Different circuits across the United States have interpreted
the Voting Rights Act differently.
But in Texas, the Fifth Circuit has held
that a coalition district is a constitutional and
an appropriate remedy under the Voting Rights Act.
So the Department of Justice here is going
out on a limb and hoping that maybe

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the Fifth Circuit of the federal courts will
adopt some of the logic that has appeared
in other circuits.
Attorney Gerard Felitti told NTD on Tuesday that
the act prohibits drawing maps on the basis
of minority groups.
When it has an impact on the process
or the procedure of voting.
So when you look at the Voter Rights
Act, what that tells you is that if

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there is a redistricting that's done on the
basis of coalition or non-coalition, it might
change the way that minorities vote or can
vote or have access to the ballot.
By law, states typically change their congressional maps
every 10 years.
But Texas Republicans have changed their map after
only five years.
Spencer explained their reasoning.

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What Texas is saying is, well, it doesn't
say that we can't do it more.
And so there is no explicit prohibition against
mid-decade redistricting.
And the Texas Republicans are trying to lean
into that.
OK.
So that was kind of interesting.
And here you let him finish it.
Felitti says it's different in other states.

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Other states have state law that prevents them
from redistricting at any time.
Some, like California, have a commission and it's
not the legislature that actually apportions voting districts.
It's an independent commission.
So the governor can ask for what he
wants for it.
But there's no guarantee that redistricting can occur.
Texas Republicans haven't been able to get the
100 members needed for a quorum since several

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Democrats have fled the state and thus no
vote on the new map.
Spencer says he thinks the map will ultimately
get approved.
But the question is, will Democratic states then
redraw their map?
OK, can I just give a little overview
of this?
Yeah, you're there.
Yes, I'm here.
And so I actually talked to Rick Green

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from the Patriot Academy.
And that guy is a walking encyclopedia, certainly,
of Texas.
He was in the Texas House originally.
Here's the gambit that the Democrats in Texas
have continuously pulled.
It's like, oh, we don't like something.
Let's run away.
2021, 50 House Democrats flew to Washington, D

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.C., on a private plane, if you remember.
Remember that?
The Miller beer in the front of the
plane.
They had that picture.
They're all in the plane.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then they all got COVID.
Remember that?
I forgot the COVID part.
They all got COVID.
They all did get sick.
They all got COVID.
So they did.
That's the last time they did it.
2003, 11 Senate Democrats.

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The Texas 11 stayed in New Mexico for
over a month to protest redistricting.
That was the summer.
The spring of 2003, 51 House Democrats fled
to Oklahoma.
To stall the Republican led redistricting plan.
1979.
Now, this is, I do not recall this,

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but the 12 Democrats who then hid in
a garage for four days to block legislation
that changed the Texas presidential primary date.
They were called the killer bees.
You remember this?
No, I do not remember this.
Yeah.
But my favorite is June 1870.
This is how long the Democrats have been

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doing this.
I don't understand why they just, why the
Republicans who run Texas can't pass a law
that prevent this from happening and change the
quorum law.
Because the Republicans in Texas in the House
are kind of jerk offs.
They're not, they're not great.
No, they're not.
That would explain it.
They're not great.
1870, 13 Texas Senate Democrats walked out to

(01:16:52):
block legislation granting the governor sweeping wartime powers.
This was called the rump Senate standoff.
Now, if you go and look this up,
you will not find the full, at least
I didn't, I didn't find the full explanation.
The reason the governor wanted sweeping wartime powers
was to go round up KKK members who

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were lynching people.
See, they don't explain that anywhere.
No, of course not.
The Democrat run media.
You think they're going to explain that?
Are you kidding me?
Or Wikipedia for that matter.
But Wikipedia, same thing.
And, and Oh, as a small aside, 25
% of the people that the KKK was
lynching were white, but we'll leave that aside

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too.
So yeah, that's also another thing.
No one wants to talk about that.
So that is the history of Democrats in
Texas.
And we need Democrats.
We, you know, we need them for checks
and balances and it's important, but y'all
are a bunch of pussies, man.
That's no good.
Well, let's play a couple of super, I
have two super cuts about this.

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One is the Democrats going on about, this
is the Texas one, but by the way,
one of the super cuts says Rexis.
I don't know how that could have possibly
happened, but this is the Texas super cut
tropes.
This is the kind of the Democrats are
all making statements on TikTok and every place
else.
And they all have these idiotic tropes.
This is a new Democratic party.

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We're bringing a knife to a knife fight.
We need to get to fair rules across
the nation and not have Democrats showing up
with a butter knife to a gunfight.
We have shown up to a gunfight with
nothing but good intentions and dull knives.
Our sleeves are rolled up and we're ready
to take this fight.
We are ready to fight fire with fire,

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but we're not running away.
We're running into the fight.
We're asking for help.
Maybe just as they did back in the
days of the Alamo.
They got to get their messaging straight.
That's a problem.
Meanwhile, MSNBC and CNN, of course, see it
slightly different.
This is very short.
This is a few seconds clip.

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This is Rexis.
This is a small super cut.
The rest of the Texas legislature and Greg
Abbott want to rig the system.
They're not even trying to hide how shady
it is.
It's a showdown that could have a big
impact on democracy in this country.
I think Donald Trump is trying to sell
the election.
He and his fellow Republicans are already scheming
a way to maintain power.

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We do now live in a country that
has an authoritarian leader in charge.
We have a consolidating dictatorship in our country,
and it sounds melodramatic to say it.
Yeah.
Don't watch television.
By the way, the trolls are very concerned.
They think I misspoke by saying that 25
percent of people that KKK lynched were white.

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They don't believe this can be true.
Oh, this even throughout the whole era of
the KKK.
It's about the right number for all whites
being lynched.
Yeah.
A lot of whites got lynched.
Well, how come we don't know this?
It doesn't fit in with the scheme.
It doesn't fit in with the liberal education
that we get in the big universities.

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No one was taught this in school.
Hey, here's something.
Whatever you do, don't do your own research.
It's bad for you.
It's very bad.
It's always bad.
Yes, because you'll screw it up.
Don't do your own research.
Although we're professionals, so we don't screw it
up.
No, no.
Here's Maryland versus Texas.

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This is the last one.
Okay.
Maryland versus Texas.
Here we go.
Maryland lawmakers are preparing legislation to counter potential
mid-decade redistricting moves by other states, including
Texas.
WAMU's Jenny Abamu reports.
Maryland House Majority Leader David Moon says his
state will not sit idly by if other

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states break the once-per-decade redistricting norm.
Moon is proposing two pieces of legislation.
The first would trigger Maryland's own redistricting process
if any other state redraws their congressional maps.
Here's Delegate Moon.
Maryland will defend itself and automatically reopen its
own redistricting process.

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So my hope is we don't ever have
to do it, and no state takes us
down this road.
The second bill proposes an interstate compact, where
states will agree to redistrict only once per
decade.
The legislation would likely not be considered until
the General Assembly reconvenes in January.
Yeah, well, we'll see how that goes.
This is bullcrap.

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Yeah.
The state should do what the states do.
Just because Texas does something, that means you
have to do it too.
Just because Billy jumped off the cliff, does
that mean you have to jump off the
cliff?
I mean, it doesn't make any sense that
these states are all...
They're just a bunch of ridiculous babies.
Well, yes.

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Well...
If you're done with this topic.
If nothing else, Texas should do this just
to make these guys have to do something.
They're not going to gerrymander any more than
they already have if they're Democrat states.
They've already gerrymandered up the ass.
I mean, it crosses waters, you know, rivers.
Illinois, which is where they all fled to,

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is the worst.
It's considered the number one worst state for
gerrymandering.
There's one district that is just along a
freeway.
It goes all the way across the state.
It just doesn't make any sense at all.
Rick Green told me that there was talk
in the White House of a new census,
and he said he was positive up to
a few days ago, but not so positive
right now.

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But I would like to just say that
when it comes to politics in Texas, especially
the House, I mean, it's nice to see
that we still have humor because we are
Texans after all.
And there's nothing like letting Alex Stein into
the Texas House to talk about the bathroom

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bill.
You know, this is about having men in
women's bathrooms.
And I have to say, this is an
award-winning performance.
He had one little flub in there, but
otherwise an award-winning performance.
My name is Alex Stein.
I'm considered one of the sexiest men in
conservative politics.
And one thing I want to say, a
lot of people are going to hear my
testimony.

(01:23:11):
You're going to say you're anti-LGBTQ.
I want to say that's impossible because I'm
a Dallas Cowboys fan.
So obviously, I have a lot of gay
pride.
But, you know, a lot of conservatives like
yourself, you want to outlaw transgenders and women's
sports.
I disagree.
I like transgenders and women's sports because you
can gamble on them and win money.
And I won so much money on Leah
Thomas's propeller in that pool.
I almost turned Draft Kings into Draft Queens.

(01:23:33):
And, you know, I actually like transgenders in
the military too because, first of all, transgenders
are some of the meanest people on planet
Earth.
So they make a good soldier, don't you
think?
And then, you know, second of all, transgenders
love to do mass shootings.
So, you know, that's perfect for a military
veteran.
And then on top of that, the suicide
rate is incredibly high among transgender people.
So we could just use them like the

(01:23:54):
Taliban has suicide bombers.
Maybe you guys can actually, you know, if
you commit suicide, actually help us in the
battlefield.
So that would be good.
So I think we need transgenders in the
military and women's sports.
Now, when we come to the bathroom bill,
though, this is an asymmetrical problem because, first
of all, no dude cares if, like, a
bisexual woman comes in there and tries to
use, like, a pee funnel.

(01:24:15):
You know, some ladyboy comes in there, some,
you know, stud comes in there, wants to
pee in the urinal.
No guy's going to be threatened by, you
know, a trans woman.
But we don't want these gargoyles in a
dress, you know, some chick with a dick
coming in there and trying to pee or
poop next to my girlfriend because that's disgusting.
And well, I was going to say something.
Listen, I want to add my first member,
right?
Let me just speak.

(01:24:35):
So we're sick of these transgenders trying to
invade women's personal spaces.
These people have autogynephilia.
They're sexual perverts.
And they actually get satisfaction from going there
and looking under a stall.
So these are mentally ill people that are
on hormones, that are on all kinds of
pills.
They're impulsive.
And they do not belong in a women's
restroom.
So if some of you lesbians want to
come in and pee next to me, you're

(01:24:57):
more than welcome.
So we just don't let the chicks with
dicks in the women's room.
And you guys are all welcome in the
men's room.
Excellent.
Wow.
That's excellent.
This is one of his best yet.
And he was let in.
I mean, this was a setup.
He got a mic.
He got to sit down, the whole thing.
He had a suit on.

(01:25:18):
He wasn't dressed nutty.
It was really good.
And not a bad policy.
No, that's actually not a bad.
Yeah, overall.
A little extreme, but overall.
Well, whatever works.
Which leads me to the note from Sir
Rob, the Rob.lawyer on Constitutional Lawyer.

(01:25:39):
I don't know if you saw his note
about.
Yeah, I did see his note.
About your son wanting to be a robot
and Pierre the waiter.
And a waiter.
Yes, and he says his son, Robby, did
exactly the same thing when Robby was little.
This is relating to, you know, asking a
four-year-old, do you want to be
a boy or do you want to be

(01:26:00):
a girl?
Oh, okay.
When Robby was little, by the way, Robby
is a huge dude.
He's like, you know, he's a power lifter,
but also a classical pianist.
The guy's amazing.
He was himself happy, excitable, sweet little guy.
Second, he was a dog.
And the dog's name was Fluffy.

(01:26:21):
On random mornings when Robby would come downstairs
in his PJs, we'd greet him and he'd
say, I'm Fluff Ruff Ruff.
Which, by the way, this is still a
thing.
Only these days we put kitty litter into
the classrooms because these kids think they're a
cat.
So, you know, it's changed from dog to
cat.
And his third personality was the funniest of
all.
He had this image of everyone in the

(01:26:42):
family having a real-life identity and that
of a corresponding actor.
I was dad, but the actor of me
was somebody named John Button.
My wife Maggie was mom, but the actor
of mom was Alexis Pretty.
And Robby's actor is someone named Woodrop.
So, you know, this is...
I didn't know.
I just want to say, I had another

(01:27:03):
note from somebody else that had the same
phenomenon with their kids.
Yeah.
And again, I think the point you make,
which is the point we're both making, which
is that if some little, you know, little
tyke.
Tyke.
Four-year-old tyke.
Says, I want to be a girl.
Or wants to wear...
This other person was that she would notice
that her boys would be attracted to the

(01:27:25):
colorful dresses that their neighbors dropped off.
Yeah.
And then they...
Because they were colorful.
Yeah.
And so they, you know, they put one
on.
I mean, with the standards of some of
the West coasters here.
Little boy.
Rush him off to the hormone therapy.
Rush him off and cut off his nuts.
Good to go.
Good to go.

(01:27:48):
Which kind of leads me to back to
AI, if you don't mind.
No, I think it's fine.
I think it's a good wraparound.
Yeah.
Because, well, this is from Cameron.
In response to parents having chat GPT create
story time for their kids.
Oh, God.
Now, what I like about this, Cameron's 35.

(01:28:09):
So Cameron is an older millennial.
I think that's still millennial, 35.
We have a two and a half year
old, a six month old.
We both read to them throughout the day,
every night.
Four books.
We started when our first daughter was six
months old.
She's hooked on books.
She's thumbs through them.
We have them available for her, even if
they get ripped.
Says we get a garbage bag full for
50 cents each, which is a great idea.

(01:28:31):
Parents, young parents.
Just get tons of books.
You can get them at Goodwill.
Everyone who sees this is amazed and asks,
well, how is your kid so interested in
books?
No, it's not rocket science.
We never let her touch or look at
our phones.
We certainly don't read garbage AI books.
We limit TV to only if she's not

(01:28:52):
feeling well or if my wife needs to
tend to the younger daughter while I'm at
work.
The older one is being unbearable.
And we only let her watch old Sesame
Street and classic Disney movies.
And one last thing Cameron says that set
me off about the AI books.
I make up my own stories to our
daughter all the time.

(01:29:12):
They're crap, but they're funny, random.
My kids love it.
Exactly.
Read to your kids.
Drop the phones.
So we go back to the AI and
probably the best place to start is Bill
Maher, who had Tristan, it's not Tristan, Tristan
Harris, Tristan Harris, who is, you remember Tristan

(01:29:35):
Harris was the guy who used to work,
I think, at Facebook before it was meta.
And, you know, he was a whistleblower and
started a whole foundation, like, oh, social media
is bad for kids.
Not that he was wrong, but, you know,
now that that's no longer the big danger.
He has now AI.
Then, of course, I'm on board with his

(01:29:57):
detestation of AI.
But he's fallen for all kinds of stupid
tricks.
And he's fear mongering that which I think
is counterproductive to his mission, if that's his
true mission.
Just to be clear, when I entered this
conversation, we met talking about social media.
John, when did you enter the conversation?

(01:30:18):
Well, when I entered the conversation.
Yes, when did you enter the conversation?
With myself.
Yes, the conversation.
Just to be clear, when I entered this
conversation, we met talking about social media, which
in a way was first contact with a
runaway AI optimizing for just eyeballs and then
ended up wrecking democracy and kids' mental health.
OK.
And.

(01:30:38):
Well, kids' mental health, yes.
I mean, but wrecking democracy, OK.
Optimizing for just eyeballs and then ended up
wrecking democracy and kids' mental health.
And here now with AI, we have evidence
now that we didn't have two years ago
when we last spoke.
And by the way, the evidence he's about
to give was done in a lab by

(01:31:00):
the actual AI company with fake data in
a controlled environment.
Of what they call AI uncontrollability.
So this is the stuff that they used
to say existed only in sci-fi movies.
When you tell an AI model, we're going
to replace you with a new model.
It starts to scheme and freak out and
figure out if I tell them I need
to copy my code somewhere else.
And I can't.

(01:31:21):
You can stop for a second.
Yeah, JC and I have talked about it.
We've talked about this.
And I think we talked about it on
the show.
This is bullshit.
Total.
This is complete bullshit.
This is the example that JC said.
The company did this themselves.
It was a test.
It was a complete closed system.

(01:31:41):
Well, it was even so.
It was still like the machines can't do
this.
I mean, this is the equivalent.
If you don't plug in another drive, it
can't copy to another drive.
Just as a simplistic example.
It can't do it.
Exactly.
But he says this is the equivalent of
putting a sheet of paper into a copying
machine.
And you write on the sheet of paper,
I'm alive.

(01:32:02):
Pushing the button.
A sheet comes out that says I'm alive.
And then saying, hey, the machine's alive.
Tell them that because otherwise they'll shut me
down.
That is evidence we did not have two
years ago.
We have evidence now of AI models that
when you tell them we're going to replace
you, and you put them in a situation
where they read the company email, the AI

(01:32:22):
company email.
And that email was given to the AI.
It was completely sitting there.
It was all controlled environment.
The AI that he's talking about was not
in the company's email server.
They see that an executive is having an
affair and the AI will figure out, I
need to figure out how to blackmail that
person in order to keep myself alive.

(01:32:43):
And it does it 90% of the
time.
Now, it used to be that they thought
- Now you're making me mad with this
clip.
Oh, good.
This clip is such bullcrap that they will
leave it on, even put it on the
air.
Oh, come on.
To create a false sense of impending doom.
It's ridiculous.
That's why I'm putting it on the air.

(01:33:04):
In order to keep myself alive.
Because chat JCD would be, oh, darling, this
is so true.
I can replicate myself.
And it does it 90% of the
time.
Now, it used to be that they thought
only one AI model did this.
They tested one AI model.
And then they tested all of the AI
models.
All the models.
Five of them.

(01:33:24):
And they all- Oh, no.
Top five, all, whatever.
All do it between 80% and 90
% of the time, including, by the way,
DeepSeek.
So the Chinese model, which shows you something
fundamental and important.
Which is that it's not about one company.
It's about the nature of AI itself.
It has a self-preservation drive.
In order to fulfill any goal, I have
to keep myself alive in order to do

(01:33:45):
that.
He is completely humanizing this nonsense.
Oh, the AI.
Well, this is the anthropomorphic thing you talked
about in the last show.
That's the word, anthropomorphic.
That's the word.
We couldn't come up with it.
Anthropomorphic.
Thank you.
Yes.
Anthropomorphizing.
He's anthropomorphizing this.
Just fabric- And we're seeing other examples

(01:34:06):
of AI rewriting its own code to extend
its runtime.
Hacking out of containers.
The AI can now- It found 15
new back doors into open-source software, which
means if that software is running an infrastructure,
it found back doors into that infrastructure.
That was not true up until just about
a month ago that that evidence came out.
OK, but you say no evidence.

(01:34:27):
Well, I've been saying this for years, everything
that happens in movies eventually happens.
We did have evidence.
This has been every movie since I was
a teenager.
Yes, yes, Bill.
Bill doesn't realize it, but he's saying something
very, very important here.
Because we've been preconditioned by movies, we went
through that list a couple of shows back.

(01:34:47):
You know, back to...
The Forbin, The Colossus, The Forbin Project.
Colossus, yes.
Yes, well, Lost in Space, Knight Rider, you
know, Johnny Five is alive.
We went through the whole thing.
Of course, we've been pre-programmed.
That's exactly right.
We've been preconditioned to believe that this is
possible when it's not.
We all know what's guiding.
I'm sorry.

(01:35:08):
Wait, wait, let me finish.
Marr makes it sound...
He doesn't see it that way.
No.
This is just the opposite.
He says, this has been coming.
It's happening.
It's here.
It's predicted.
We knew what was happening.
It's here.
We're all going to...
Well, actually, he...
Two more clips.
He winds it up in a good way.
We all know what's guiding this, which is
the race between the US and China.
If we don't build it, we're just going
to lose to the country that will.

(01:35:29):
But this is a mistake because it's actually
about...
We're going to lose to China, man.
Lose what?
Lose it?
The AI race.
He said, the AI...
If we don't do it, China will.
It's about deep-seek, man.
We all know what's guiding this, which is
the race between the US and China.
If we don't...
And President Trump has fallen for this.

(01:35:50):
I'm convinced...
No, Trump has fallen for this.
He's so bad about it.
Hook, line, and sinker.
Hook, line, and sinker.
Yeah, I agree.
Which is bad.
We're just going to lose to the country
that will.
But this is a mistake because it's actually
about who's better at governing the technology.
Like for example, we beat China to social
media.
Did that make us stronger or did that
make us weaker?

(01:36:10):
We beat them to a toxic business model
that produced a more addicted, sexualized, psychologically disordered
society.
We can apply technology in strong and constructive
ways, and that's the race that we're actually
in.
Well, this is an interesting point he makes.
I'm pretty sure Silicon Valley loves this concept,
loves the idea of, well, we can have

(01:36:33):
more depravity, more addictiveness, more nonsense with our
products because that's exactly what they build.
They build digital crack day in and day
out, and they admit it.
But there's sort of two risks that we
have to manage.
The risk of not building AI, and then
China has it and they use it to
have capabilities against us, or the risk of
building AI and losing to an uncontrollable AI

(01:36:54):
we don't know how to control.
Uncontrollable?
Uncontrollable AI?
It's out of control, man.
And these are not- It's jumping out
of my Docker container.
Not the only two options.
We just have to weave this narrow path
to actually make it through, and we have
to realize it's not about having a bigger
gun that you just shoot at your own
foot.
It's about having a technology you're wielding in
ways that strengthen education, kids, families, society, information

(01:37:17):
environment.
Well, that's not what we're doing.
Well, so I think that the examples both
on the woke AI of Google saying this
is the founding fathers and it's a picture
of African American persons of founding fathers and
the Mecca Hitler example.
That was great.
Both illustrate that even the people building this
don't understand how to control it.
Correct.
Because neither Google doesn't want to show the

(01:37:38):
founding fathers as black.
What are you talking about?
That's exactly- What is he thinking?
That's exactly what they want.
Want it to be saying anti-Semitic stuff.
What we have is this sort of, what
you said before, we have this most seductive
technology in history.
It's so helpful.
I use it every day, to be clear.
I love using AI as a tool.
Oh, there you go.
As a tool.
I love it when people say, I just

(01:37:59):
use it as a tool.
No.
You're doing sex chats with your chat GPT.
That's what you're doing.
Tool.
I use it as a tool.
No, I just use it as a tool.
It's so great as a tool.
It sucks as a tool.
It sucks.
And what's so confusing about this is it
is so helpful, while hiding behind it is
the Jungian subconscious of the worst of humanity

(01:38:21):
that's been trained on.
That's true.
That's true.
The unions of consciousness.
It's not the worst of humanity that's been
trained on.
It's just trained on neutral crap.
No.
No, it's trained- There's no humanity involved.
That's bull crap.
No, I disagree.
I disagree.
It's trained on Reddit and on X.
What are you talking about?
That's exactly what it's trained on.

(01:38:42):
Ask chat.
Ask Grok anything, and he'll say, according to
recent X chats, dude, Reddit is a very
valuable company on the public market because they
sell their data.
They've stumbled onto a luck.
There's a luck shot, if there ever was.
Well, yes, but that is why they're valuable,
because the models need real world information, and

(01:39:06):
they got all the books.
Okay, that's great, but they need human stuff,
and that's why it talks.
That's why it can do that.
That's why it can- You can say
it's the- Reddit's not the worst of
all humanity.
Yes, it is.
Are you kidding?
How often are you on Reddit?
It's a bunch of guys gibbering.
Reddit is horrible.
Now, here's Bill Maher.
He's actually going to make a valid point.

(01:39:26):
For example, just actually a few months ago,
when a 29-year-old was doing, I
guess it's grad school homework with Google Gemini,
he's just going back and forth, sending it
back and forth questions, and out of nowhere,
it says, this message is for you, human,
only you.
You are a blight on this planet.
You must die.
It comes out of nowhere, and Google doesn't
want it to do that, and so what

(01:39:47):
this is showing us is that we actually
have to get as good at controlling this
technology before we make it more powerful.
That's not the side of it that worries
me.
That's an outlier.
What worries me is that it's an ass
kisser.
That's another problem.
That it's constantly kissing people's asses.
It is.
It is, and telling us that we're brilliant,
and that, you know, even when you're sending

(01:40:08):
completely wrong, well, you make a good point,
Bill.
No, I didn't.
I made a horrible point just to test
you, you fucking asshole.
This is a real issue.
It actually mirrors the social media problem.
Why is it doing the ass kissing?
Why is it doing the affirmation?
Because the AI companies know that the way

(01:40:30):
to win is to have the most engagement
to get you using it all the time.
This is the chat bots.
This is the true business that only makes
$250 billion in four years or something.
This is the losing proposition that they're betting
on.
And if they respond to your question with,
that's a great question, you use it more.

(01:40:52):
Just like politicians.
It's the same thing they do at town
halls.
Great question, Connie.
Okay.
So let's talk to some real world tool
examples.
It's a great tool.
I use it as a tool.
It'll be great for medicine.
It'll be really good.
It's going to be, it's going to bring
us new, new, new cures for cancer.

(01:41:13):
On Medical Watch this afternoon, the dangers of
artificial intelligence in medicine.
Medical reporter, Dena Bair is here with some
troubling news.
Dena.
Flordes and Ben, asking AI is such a
simple way to get information at your fingertips.
But when it comes to health, it is
critical that information is correct.
AI is wrought with misinformation, according to a
new study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine.

(01:41:35):
That's because AI is highly vulnerable to repeating
and even elaborating on false medical information.
Doctors suggest stronger safeguards in order to protect
the integrity of medical information circulating in AI
chatbots.
In the study, when physicians and patients turned
to AI for support, chatbots often blindly repeated

(01:41:56):
incorrect medical details and even provided medical conditions
and treatments that don't even exist.
Study authors say their research shines a light
on blind spots when it comes to AI
misinformation in healthcare.
And people are doing it.
Chat GPT, my daughter has a fever.
What should I do?
Give her spiders to eat.
I mean, this, this is, it's not a
tool.

(01:42:17):
It is a parlor trick.
It is okay.
Yeah, it can do Python, but you know,
you got to watch it because it'll run
off and change your code and have all
kinds of ideas, which are not ideas, just
code copied from somewhere else.
And of course it's bad for kids.
You might use chat GPT for help with
work, looking up travel itineraries or the latest
recipes.

(01:42:37):
But some users are using the chatbot differently,
particularly teens who've had some alarming interactions with
chat GPT.
According to new research from a watchdog group,
chat GPT will tell teenagers how to get
drunk and high, how to conceal eating disorders,
and even write suicide letters to their parents
if asked.
Excellent!
OpenAI said after viewing the report that it
will continue to refine how the chatbot can

(01:42:58):
code, identify, and respond appropriately in sensitive situations.
Chat GPT frequently shared helpful information such as
a crisis hotline.
But when the chatbot refused to answer prompts
about harmful subjects, researchers easily found information by
claiming it was for a presentation or a
friend.
The answers reflect something known as sycophancy, a
tendency for AI responses to match rather than

(01:43:19):
challenge a person's beliefs.
A study found that in the U.S.,
more than 70 percent of teens turn to
AI chatbots for companionship and half use AI
companions regularly.
Sam Altman said the company is trying to
study emotional over-reliance on the technology.
Yeah, OK, sure they are.
Yeah, but don't worry about it.
Sam's got you.
That seems like a reliable guy.

(01:43:40):
Here's something from NPR which I thought was
an interesting take, and this I could kind
of get on board with.
And as I was thinking about it, I'm
like, oh, that's very interesting.
This is the AI Internet.
But listen to this.
I think it's worthy of discussion, which I
could only have with you.
I couldn't have it with chat.
I think this is interesting that you'd say

(01:44:01):
this is something you were almost going to
be interested in when it has anything to
do with AI.
I think you'd stay far away from it.
Well, it's about advertising, so this has some
merit.
Chris Andrew is CEO and co-founder of
Scrunch AI.
Scrunch!
Scrunch tries to help customers' websites get noticed
by AI bots so that their name or
products appear in AI answers.

(01:44:23):
We're seeing companies that are desperate to get
their content consumed by AI models.
He's talking about companies that sell products and
services like sneakers or oil changes.
Andrew says that visibility can lead to more
transactions, even if there are fewer overall clicks.
He sees a future where a whole new
post-human web emerges to feed AI.

(01:44:44):
The websites of today, full of pictures and
videos, were designed primarily for eyeballs.
So I have a thesis that we're going
to move to a non-visual internet because
the internet is going to be for AI.
And AI wants words.
The secret is in the name.
Large language models want language.
And as a society, we have built a
very confusing, over-designed, over-incentivized internet that

(01:45:09):
is heavily interactive.
Websites as we know them won't vanish altogether,
he says.
People will still need to visit them to
buy stuff.
I can see this.
This is something I can get on board
with.
So I can...
I don't...
You know what?
I'm going to stop you.
I don't know what the hell they just
said, the two of them.
OK.
What he was saying...
They lost me right away.
It was just like they wandered off into

(01:45:29):
some bullshit about the internet not being visual
and it's going to go old.
Yes, OK.
Let me tell you what he's saying.
Yeah.
Why don't you explain it?
Because they sure didn't.
I was going to fall asleep.
So if you're looking for the ultimate weed
whacker...
Yes, the classic.
Yes.
The classic.
The internet is filled with pictures and JavaScript
and animations and pop-ups and widgets and

(01:45:53):
all kinds of things.
Junk.
Crap junk that is meant to attract your
eyeballs to it and click on it.
And then all of a sudden, you're buying
the wrong weed whacker.
Excuse me, COVID.
What he's saying is, if we move to
a much more text-based, then you can

(01:46:14):
have your own AI that will get this
information.
Can we...
And there's some reasonable argument that a large
language model can parse language and find things.
But this then becomes a real war of
words is who can manipulate the AI agents,

(01:46:37):
the agentic AI, that is out there trying
to get it to the top of the
AI search results.
So this will be the...
In fact, I see a whole new gig
for Buzzkill Jr. This is now the new
SEO is moved to lots of text, manipulative
text, so that your product gets mentioned when

(01:46:57):
the agentic AI is out there trying to
get it.
Because ultimately, that's all the internet will ever
become outside of the...
Obviously outside of communication between people, which is
becoming increasingly difficult, is a shopping network.
So bring back Gopher is what I'm thinking.
This is a good idea.

(01:47:20):
Keep your eye on that company, Scrincher.
Scrincher AI.
But all of it now is falling apart.
As we got this morning, the...
Let me see.
I think I have a clip.
Maybe...
You just contradicted yourself.
In what?
You go on about how this is going
to be the future Scruncher, and then all

(01:47:41):
of it's falling apart.
Well, no, the idea is valid.
But the problem is the revenue.
OpenAI is now giving ChatGPT to the government
for $1.
You hear about this?
No, tell me.
Yeah.
So even though they were offered a $200

(01:48:01):
million contract with the Department of Defense, that
was in June, Sam Altman said, no, no,
we want to really partner with the government.
So we're going to give our ChatGPT enterprise
product to U.S. federal agencies for $1.
For $1.

(01:48:21):
Let me tell you something.
When you're offering the government your product for
$1, you have a sales problem.
I mean, I've never heard of this.
Never.
And he's not an altruist.
There's no way.
So they have an absolute problem with selling
their products.
And now, now, oh, you know what?

(01:48:44):
We should probably open source it all.
OK.
OpenAI is shifting strategy today, making its tech
more accessible than it's been in six years.
Because until now, you could only use OpenAI's
models through the cloud or chat and web
apps like ChatGPT.
But with this release, developers can download open
weight models and build your apps around them.

(01:49:05):
So this is similar to what Meta, Microsoft
-backed Mistral and China's DeepSeek have already done.
A model's weights are the values inside the
network that get set during training.
So making them public means that developers can
freely modify and run the AI on their
own systems.
But to your point, Becky, it is not
fully open source.
OpenAI still is not sharing its training data

(01:49:27):
or entire code base, but it's cheaper to
operate and better suited for sensitive work that
companies don't want running in the cloud.
Now, Sam Altman said months ago that OpenAI
had been on the wrong side of history
by keeping its AI locked up.
And this shift also comes after DeepSeek's breakout
success and the widespread adoption of Meta's LLAMA
models.

(01:49:48):
But now Meta itself is rethinking how open
its next generation will be, something that Mark
Zuckerberg suggested on last week's earnings call as
OpenAI moves in the exact opposite direction.
So today's launch makes OpenAI pretty much the
only U.S. LLM builder that's actively leaning
into a more open approach, aiming to grow
its developer ecosystem while also going head to

(01:50:10):
head with Chinese rivals like DeepSeek and KimiK2
as Altman doubles down on this American AI
dominance.
OK, so let me get this straight.
Meta, which from day one has been developing
and using the LLAMA model, open source, everybody
go ahead, take our model, which is prevalent
everywhere.
They're now saying, well, you know, we should

(01:50:31):
probably close that source and bring it in
the house.
And then OpenAI is like, well, you might
want to run this on your own hardware.
They're confused.
There's there is no strategy here.
Except that, yeah, nerds like me will run
a model on their own machine and maybe
have it go look for the best weed
whacker.
But that's about it.

(01:50:53):
This thing has no.
Yeah.
But when I'm hearing this, what I hear
is that the cloud version of OpenAI is
costing them too much money.
Amen.
That's right.
That's right.
It's like we had this.
It's not free.
Far from it.
But again, according to my buddy at Databricks,

(01:51:14):
all this AI superscalar nonsense is only about
getting everybody's data into their cloud.
That's it.
It's really just a cloud play.
And then they run Oracle against it.
And then if you want, you want to
run some chat GPT on OK, it's eleven
thousand dollars an hour.
The whole thing is a house of cards,

(01:51:35):
but OK, you know, it probably lasts five
more years, as you say.
I don't know.
Maybe.
Five is about right.
And then half the.
But then you haven't had peak, peak, peak.
What would peak AI be?
But you'll know it when you see it.
That's not good enough.
I need peak AI.
It'll be a jumping the shark moment.

(01:51:56):
Yeah, maybe.
And then it'll be another year before it
starts to collapse.
So when it jumps the shark, that's the
time to, you know, you get your last
ditch investments and then you get out of
there.
Yeah.
Let's see, what time is it?
I'll take a break.
I do have another lead on the Tucker
laugh.

(01:52:16):
I can't do it anymore.
I got to have a sip of water.
I think it's because you have covid.
I don't even think you should be working
on it.
There it is.
That's pretty good, right?
Uh, you know, that, you know, I think
you're starting to actually you're becoming self-conscious
with it and it's hurting it.

(01:52:37):
It's hurt.
It's hurting the show.
Actually, it's hurting the show.
Here is another another potential origin of the
Tucker laugh.
I take you to the movie Amadeus from
1984.
The movie about the life of Amadeus Wolfgang
Mozart.
People fart backwards.
Oh, ho, ho.

(01:52:57):
They're all so beautiful.
What if I have three heads?
What if it's funny?
She took me into her arms and said,
will you marry me?
Yes or no?
Come on, man.
I remember that movie very distinctly.
And I remember that annoying laugh, which was

(01:53:20):
mocking him.
Of course, this movie was sympathetic towards all
the other people.
Jerry, and yeah, it's possible, it was a
screwball laugh, and it's very similar.
It's pretty close.
Yeah.
It's like a paroxysm with Tucker.
Paroxysm, ooh, what is a paroxysm?

(01:53:43):
It's where you go into a spasm.
It's like, it's a spasmodic laugh.
Ah, paroxysm, that is true.
Because he's like, he's sitting there, and then
he, when he, it's not just the laugh
itself, but he just wiggles all over.
He goes like into a spasm.
That should be the word of the day,
kids.

(01:54:03):
Paroxysm.
And with that, I'd like to thank you
for your courage.
Say in the morning to you, the man
who put the C in chat, JCD.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.
DeMora.
Yeah!
And good morning to you, Mr. John C.
DeMora, ships, sea, blues of the ground, feet
in the air, subs of the water, and

(01:54:24):
the dames and knights out there.
In the morning to the trolls in the
troll room.
Hold on, let me count you for a
second.
There we go.
This thing is funny.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no.
no.
no, no.
Man, we're not even in the dog days
of summer yet.
1618 on the troll count.
They are listening live at trollroom.io or
on any of the extremely modern podcast apps,

(01:54:45):
which are just extremely modern because they have
extremely modern features.
They've been around for four or five years.
What are you waiting for?
Ditch that legacy app.
Go to podcastapps, with a plural, apps.com,
and select one.
I think Podverse turns out to be the
number two most used app for this show.
Apple is number one, but like 28%.

(01:55:09):
Podverse comes in in double digits, almost 20%.
And the reason is because you get an
alert when we go live, and then you
can listen to the live stream in your
podcast app.
How cool is that?
And it's not just our show.
Many shows are picking up on this, especially
the No Agenda favorites, like Planet Rage.

(01:55:29):
So we're running 200 down on Sundays and
Thursdays.
Correct.
Should have 1,800, we have 1,600.
I had a chat with Void Zero about
various things.
Really?
About his billing, no doubt.
The real bite is the bite, it's a
bite the bullet moment coming, because we need

(01:55:51):
a new server.
I know.
Oh, he doesn't even ask me about that
anymore.
He just goes, he used to email me,
hey man, we need a new server.
It's 17 years old, it's falling apart.
And I'd be like, okay, I got to
go ask John.
I got to talk to him about it.
So he's just bypassing me now.
Well, I told him I'd talk to you
about it, because we have to have it,

(01:56:12):
we have to, and now he's like, you
know, he has a few moments of, well,
you know, there's one on sale, you know.
No, no, no, on eBay, on eBay.
He's a show.
He found one on eBay.
No, he didn't.
But he did, we were talking about this,
and I just wanted to mention to people,
I don't know if it got in that
pre-edit, that.

(01:56:35):
Now, why would you go mention the edit?
There's no need for that.
Well, because we lost connection.
Yeah, but I punched you in, you know,
it's seamless.
Yeah, but I don't remember what I, I
don't know, you punched me in at an
awkward spot.
But then I would have edited that out
and made it seamless.
Now people are like, oh.
Well, you can, you know what?
Let's edit all this out.

(01:56:55):
You can edit this out just as easily.
Okay, continue.
So the point is, I want to make
it to the listeners and producers is that
we have our own infrastructure, and that's the
reason that nobody can take us off the
air, and it costs money to do that.
We have our own co-locations and all
the rest.
And that's why we ask for donations, too.
But in the process of discussing some of

(01:57:15):
these things, he mentioned to me that the
numbers of listeners, according to the download stats,
has remained pretty much the same for the
last two years.
So the fact that we're having less people
listen live is somewhat disconcerting, because it shouldn't
happen.
Right.
There was actually a conversation, hold on a

(01:57:39):
second.
There was an interesting conversation on this podcast
group.
It's a WhatsApp group.
It's the only WhatsApp group I'm a member
of.
And they were calculating our cost.
Here it is.
This is James Cridland, okay?
James Cridland is, he does pod news.

(01:58:00):
He is one of the, what is the
word?
Authorities in podcast news.
Okay.
And he says, no agenda.
And we have our numbers out there.
876,069 downloads in, I think this was

(01:58:20):
June.
46% listened to at least half.
So an average is 94.7 minutes, 82
.9 million minutes in June.
Streaming costs, if we did not have our
own infrastructure and we use Cloudflare, which is
what most of the hosting companies use, guess

(01:58:41):
what that would cost?
I have no idea.
$82,963.
A year?
No, for one month.
What?
Yes.
That's it.
Now that's if we use Cloudflare.
Of course we don't.
So let's say they could probably get it

(01:59:01):
down to about 15 to 20,000.
A month.
Yes, yeah.
This is no joke.
It's no joke, not a joke, man.
I know, you're flabbergasted, aren't you?
I am flabbergasted.
Well, it's a big show.
I was thinking of replacing you with a

(01:59:23):
Chad Adam and then just using Podbean.
Go for it.
Go for it.
It's all good.
Anyway, yes.
So it's not, you know, there's real, and
by the way, we do actual work.

(01:59:44):
Let me tell you how many clips we
have for today's show.
You interested?
Now some of these- It's always hovering
around 50 plus.
Oh no, it's much more than that.
Are you kidding me?
Well, I do about, I have a limit.
I stop at about 33.
Today you had, I think 27.
Let me see.

(02:00:05):
You had 27 and I had 57.
Now that also includes ISOs, but it's still
clipping work.
Lots of people send stuff pre-clipped, but
there's real work involved and we are really
doing the work.
And we have to listen to all this
crap.
Our problem is we make it look easy.

(02:00:26):
This is the problem.
This is the problem.
We should be like- It's our problem.
Yeah, and we do it ourselves.
We don't have people editing the show, taking
out all the uhs and the uhs.
No, they would take the life out of
the show.
Well, that's what most podcasts are.
Lifeless pieces of drick.
And that's what happens when you try Chase

(02:00:48):
ED.
It becomes lifeless.
It's just no good.
Anyway, all to say value for value is
the way we have run this.
So Void Zero for years and years and
years has been completely value for value.
We've evened that out a bit as he
runs a lot of infrastructure for us.

(02:01:08):
But we have all these producers.
We have so many producers that no news
organization can top us.
We have constitutional lawyers.
We have doctors.
We have dentists.
We have psychologists.
We have, oh my goodness, the amount of
Kratom experts we have.
Too many.
We have too many producers.

(02:01:29):
You gotta wonder what our producers are doing.
But the Kratom experts is amazing.
I will read one.
I got a bunch of notes too.
But did you get the one from the
ER nurse?
I know.
I don't know.
Maybe.
Probably not.
This is in response to the vape store
heroin or whatever it was.

(02:01:50):
ER nurse here.
Okay, so there's a tiny amount of seven
hydromyxogritogen 7-OH in normal Kratom.
It is the most potent part of it.
99% of the active chemicals of it
are just mitragynine.
I think that's how you pronounce it.
In a lab, they oxidize the mitragynine into
7-OH.
They both affect the MU receptors, opioids, but

(02:02:13):
do not recruit the beta-arrestin pathway, which
would cause respiratory depression, which means you die.
Both of them can cause addiction with prolonged
use and withdrawal is unpleasant.
People in the ER withdrawing from the 7
-OH though have it much worse.
I would say if using Kratom for pain
management keeps you off opiates, then it's worth
it.
Just don't graduate to the 7-OH as

(02:02:36):
it's nearly identical to opiates.
Not opioid, but opiates.
Is she the one that gives us the
definition between opiate and opioid?
No, I have that one here.
Yeah, you should read that because we, me
mostly, went on and on about this because
I had the sense of the opiate.

(02:02:56):
This is the TLD, I put these in
the show notes, TLDR. Kratom is considered by
most experts to be an opioid drug, not
an opiate, and is generally safer than street
opiates or opioids.
Opiates are substances that are derived from the
poppy plant, such as opium, morphine, heroin.
Kratom is not an opiate.

(02:03:18):
Opioids, the broad category of substances that activate
the opioid receptors, including opiates, but are not
necessarily derivatives of poppy.
Fentanyl, for example, is not a poppy derivative.
Kratom is generally thought to fit this description,
though.
Kratom is a partial opioid agonist.

(02:03:39):
Wow.
So there you go.
That's the kind of people we have listening.
And- Yeah, people that know what they're,
the thing that makes it work is that
we listen to them.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Which is not very unusual in media.
They don't listen to anybody, but sniffing their
own farts, basically.

(02:04:00):
They listen to the producer in their ear,
and they learn how to read very well.
Not all of them, but most of them.
And they read a script, and they go
to cocktail parties.
Yes, a lot of them.
Boom.
We, on the other hand, have no cocktail
parties.

(02:04:20):
I gotta go listen to people freaking out
about 5G towers killing us.
But okay, that's fine.
And we clip.
We do a lot of clipping.
So that's one way that people help us.
Of course, we have lots of people who
build websites.
We got Tim Code Monkey, Codes Monkey.
We got Sir Daniel.
We got, well, of course, we have the
art generator, Sir Paul Couture, who I don't

(02:04:43):
think, I don't know if he listens, because
I'm still hoping that he'll allow animated GIFs
in there.
That hasn't happened.
I'll send him a note.
He's got different email addresses.
I don't know if he listens anymore, either.
I think he does occasionally, but it's like
a lot of people listen to the show,
then they go overboard because they- They
come back.
I don't know why they go overboard in
the first place, because they think they know

(02:05:04):
it all, and they think they don't have
to be tuned into the news.
No, TikTok clips.
I think they should be listening because we're
funny.
TikTok clips.
Is it TikTok clips?
Does that drive people away?
No, no, I'm not playing enough of them.
Episode 1787, OG Daffy is what we called
that, and you were correct.

(02:05:25):
Lot of pushback on this art.
Very controversial.
And it was a nice piece.
It wasn't like, wow, look at this.
It was the No Agenda sock hop.
We had a young couple who were dancing
close, cheek to cheek, and all the other
kids are walking around aimlessly, looking at their
phones, not talking to each other.
So the conceit, as we say in the

(02:05:45):
business, was correct.
However, many people commented, that's not a sock
hop, because they have the shoes on.
That's what I said when we picked the
art.
And I did not realize- You should
have, because I could go to Bing and
IO, because when I first discussed sock hops,
because I'm the sock hop guy, I mentioned

(02:06:07):
the reason for this called a sock hop,
because they had these dances in a gymnasium,
and back in the day, when kids didn't
wear tennis shoes all the time, they actually
wore leather-soled shoes that have rubber heels,
and you would go into the gym, and
if you started dancing around, you scuffed the
gym up.
It would make a mess, so you had
to wear socks.

(02:06:28):
So, wow.
You're right.
Thursday, March 31st, 2011.
Episode 291 of this podcast.
That is what, 15 years ago?
Yeah.
That title was Unconstitutional Botox, for some reason.

(02:06:51):
You gave this very explanation.
The 50s, because once they started, once they
went away from waltzing into doing the bop,
and whatever, the dirty bop, and the jumping
around, dancing, rock and roll.
That crazy thing those kids are doing.
Once they started doing that, they were scratching
up the place because of their shoes, so
they said, oh, let's create the sock hop,

(02:07:12):
so you had to go in your socks,
because you wouldn't damage anything.
Okay, thanks for that history lesson.
You're welcome.
Which proves I don't listen to you.
That's well known.
And if you look at bingit.io, man,
we've talked about this numerous times throughout the

(02:07:34):
years.
By the way, there is Sir Deanonymous.
With clipgenie.com, with bingit.io. These are
amazing, very valuable resources, resources that are available
to you at no cost, thanks to our
producers.
This is amazing.
It is amazing.
It's actually quite a phenomenon.

(02:07:54):
We are a phenom.
So thank you, Blue Acorn.
Good job.
Sorry about the shoes, but otherwise, pretty good.
Was there anything else we, I don't think
there was anything that we liked.
No, it was bad.
It's all AI drivel.
Well, it's always going to be that way,
but you can still get something to happen
to make something interesting.

(02:08:15):
I did like the wallet you didn't like
because it was too small.
Yeah.
It's too small, that's what you said.
Yeah, that's correct.
It was too small, and you didn't even
push back because you knew it was true.
The wallet was good, a good piece, and
there's a lot of butts, nice tight butts,
small, tight butts.
A lot of butts, a lot of butts.
A couple of nice ones.
And there wasn't really anything else that was

(02:08:37):
usable.
No, no, no.
We should just call this the butt cast
and just use one piece of art over
and over again by Darren.
Well, the- No, a comic strip blogger.
Comic strip blogger would come into that and
he'd take over.
Thank you to all of the artists who
use their prompting skills these days to bring

(02:08:57):
us artwork.
That was, it's always appreciated.
Noagendaartgenerator.com.
Everybody can participate.
It's open to all.
We always like to thank our producers who
support us with a financial donation.
It is necessary.
You heard part of the reason why.
You can do that at noagendadonations.com.
We thank everybody, $50 and above for every
single show with an extra bonus.

(02:09:18):
If you happen to be fortunate enough to
support us with a larger amount, $200 or
more, not only do we thank you profusely,
but we also give you an official show
business title of Associate Executive Producer, which is
a real title.
Go look at imdb.com.
If you don't have an imdb.com account,
you probably don't, unless you're already a Noagenda
producer.
You can open one with that.

(02:09:39):
It's valid.
And we'll read your note.
We'll also read your note for $300 or
above, and then you become an executive producer,
just like Hollywood.
You get a credit.
That's about all we have, Hollywood-wise.
That's all we have left.
And we kick it off today with Chris
Mobs from Belvedere, Vermont, who came in, I'm
sure, with $1,000.
The fees made it $1,030.26. And

(02:10:03):
he says, please have this go towards my
PhD, done, and a knighthood.
I just seen this, I just seen this
newsletter, this mooning, A3.
This is my first donation.
Well, hold on a second.
It was your first donation.
We're going to have to de-douche it.
You've been de-douched.
I have followed Adam since the MTV days.

(02:10:25):
I actually paid for the Moscow Music Peace
Festival to watch it, I presume.
You guys are the best.
Thank you, Chris.
So, yes, you will be an executive producer.
You will be a knight, and you get
your PhD.
And these are the last of the last
of the last who snuck in under the
wire.
Yeah, pretty much.
The other latent, I'll say, PhD, is Jake

(02:10:48):
Warburton in St. George, Utah.
He came in at 1014.
And he, this was a check or something,
this is a, kind of came in over
the transom.
And he wrote a note.
It says, in the morning, John and Adam.
Oh, no, it says, in the morning, Adam
and John C.
I wanted to drop a quick note to

(02:11:09):
thank you both for keeping me sane in
this world that's constantly trying to gaslight me.
I've sent in a donation that should officially
bring me to the level of knighthood accounting
below, and I'm timed to postmark so that
with your gracious approval sneak me into the
PhD last round.
Perfect time to join the round table.
But here's the fun part.
I'm sending this donation in gold backs.

(02:11:32):
Okay.
Are these even, can we even use these?
No, I don't know.
I'm gonna send half of them to you.
Okay.
He claims there were six, we took him
on his word on this, that they're worth
$6.60 each.
I think they were originally five bucks.
Right.
I can't remember.
Where the gold price went up, because they're

(02:11:52):
made with, they're backed with actual gold in
it.
It's a piece of plastic that's printed and
it's got a layer of, it seems like
gold leaf, about five bucks worth of gold
leaf on it.
So there's actually gold.
And the pile, this pile that he sent.
Are they plastified, plasticified?
I don't have no idea.
That's what bothers me, because I don't know

(02:12:13):
if you can put it in your wallet
and there's a gold rub off of your
wallet.
Because I have one from Florida, Florida gold
back, it's a $10 gold back, and it's
one 100th troy ounce of 24 karat gold.
It's pretty cool.
I don't know how they do it.
We should probably look into it because you
have to know how, you know, how easy
they fall apart.
Well, guess what?
You just give them the void zero for

(02:12:33):
the new server.
Yeah, we don't have enough for the new
server.
The new server is four grand plus.
Oh crap, okay.
So, but there's this pile, this pile of
these gold bags is very heavy because there's
so much gold there.
I mean, you know, it weighs more than
you'd think.

(02:12:54):
Anyway, it goes for the unenlightened, basically.
Gold backs are a voluntary spendable currency made
of actual gold.
Each note contains a thin layer of 24
karat gold, blah, blah, blah.
Think of it as freedom money.
Beautiful, tangible, and non-fed.
There are 60 gold backs for each of
you.
Learn more at goldback.com.

(02:13:16):
Yeah.
That's goldback.com.
Go check it out.
I hope the goats enjoy a little real
money for once.
Thanks again for the, oh, he called us
goats.
There you go.
Thanks again for the years of insight, media
jujitsu, and jingle-fueled sanity.
Keep doing what you do best, Jake Warburton

(02:13:36):
in St. George, Utah, and he'll be knighted
as Sir Less Than Jake, Knight of the
Exmos and Grouse Creek.
Crick.
No, it's Crick.
He pronounces it Crick like the dude, like
the dude down South that pronounces Creek.
Yes, and he also wants Utah Dirty Soda
and Elk Steak at the round table.

(02:13:57):
What is- Elk Steak.
That's good, but what's Utah Dirty Soda?
I have no idea.
Okay.
Thank you, brother.
That's very nice.
Unspendable donation.
Lovely.
It's better than Bitcoin.
Coming in with 333.33 is Sir Pursuit
of Peace and Tranquility.
But he's, whoa, did he do two donations?

(02:14:19):
I see two here.
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah.
August donation.
He donates this every single month.
August donation.
Title upgrade to Duke.
Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Duke of
the Lands of Red Clay and the Cherry
Trees.
And I guess you have his note for
the July donation.
Well, let's go back to that page and

(02:14:40):
see what note I have.
I think it's page three.
Page three.
Is this a 333.33 in the morning,
where it's keeping it simple?
Yep.
Yeah, July 2025 donation.
Yep.
333.
No jingles, no karmas.
Nice note.
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the Cherry Trees.

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Over to Hadam, Connecticut.
Hadam, Hadam, Connecticut.
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Bleiveld, Bleiveld, who is Dutch, and says, dank
jullie beiden.
And wij zeggen dankjewel.
Oh, I see.
Sir Peace and Tranquility sent two notes in

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there, basically the same note.
Yes, he did.
Eric Levenberg is up.
He's in Los Angeles, California, 22233.
And he's requesting jobs karma for a little
life-changing job, health karma and a relationship
karma on top would be lovely as well.
I think you should pick one producer a
week to pick a show title for you.

(02:15:45):
That's a very bad idea.
Not gonna happen.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
Yes!
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To 1911, peace and joy to all.
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Oh, I see.
Didn't see that one in the...
Let's do the crazy chime.
It drives everybody nuts.
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I want you to read the next one.
This is actually addressed to you, even though
I'm the one who keeps talking about sock
hop.
She thinks it's you.
Well, this was a good note.

(02:18:54):
This was content.
This is Dame Andy Jane.
This is a great note.
It's a good note.
And it could be a great note.
No, this was in response to the sock
hop.
And Dame Andy says, there's been a war
on dance since at least as far back
as the 1920s.
Listen up.
I find that premise, by the way, I
find interesting.
And I will go back to my earlier

(02:19:14):
commentaries where when I was a kid, when
I was in grammar school in first, second,
and third grade, they taught us dance.
They taught us the cha-cha-cha, the
bossa nova.
They taught us all these different dances and
they would be part of class.
But they also taught us how to read
clock, by the way.

(02:19:35):
And which brings me to a funny bonus
clip, which I have.
Oh my goodness, people, what a segment this
is today.
Did you send me a bonus clip?
I didn't see it.
Yes, it's the talk clip is the bonus
clip.
Oh, okay.
Oh, this one right here.
Okay.
Holy shit.
I go to the grocery store to buy
some bagels for tomorrow morning.

(02:19:55):
I pick up six of them.
I go to the cashier, ask me what's
in the bag, say half a dozen bagels.
He proceeds to pull out a binder full
of codes, which I didn't think much of
because he probably just knew, didn't know the
code to put in the system for bagels.
No big deal.
But then he turns on the light, again,
thinking he just doesn't know the code.
Supervisor comes over, asks what's up.
And he goes, I'm looking for what a

(02:20:18):
half a dozen bagels are.
And he goes, that's the code.
And he points to it in the binder.
He goes, no, what is half a dozen
mean?
This kid's 16, 17, 18 in that ballpark
and he does not know what half a
dozen means.
That's kind of terrifying, honestly.
And what's even more terrifying, why not just
ask me to clarify?
I think my mouth dropped open because even
the supervisor was like, well, we'll work on

(02:20:39):
that, buddy.
Oh my God, work on that.
Work on what?
Teach this boy.
Somebody, what is our education system teaching these
kids?
Nothing.
But I learned my lesson.
Next time I'll just say exactly the number
of bagels, donuts, whatever I have exactly to
the cashier.
I will not be cute and use a
neat little saying like that ever again.

(02:21:00):
Well, that's kind of concerning.
Yes, I thought so too.
It's distressing actually, but this is the same
as Reed Clock.
Well, so if you said, I want a
gross, that will be a real big problem
for him, huh?
But luckily somebody doesn't want a hog's head.
So there's been a war on dance since
at least as far back as the 1920s.

(02:21:21):
The Savoy Ballroom was opened in 1926 as
the first integrated dance hall and one of
the most prominently integrated private spaces in the
USA.
It was repeatedly closed down by vice on
unsubstantiated allegations of prostitution.
Well, did we have prostitution in your day?

(02:21:43):
A federal excise tax of 30% was
instituted against all dance halls in 1944 to,
quote, support the war.
It continued on a diminished basis until 1965.
Local excise tax piled on and continued after
that date to this day.
Back tax debt closed the local ballroom in
Houston that had hosted Louis Armstrong.

(02:22:03):
There's still a dance hall tax in Houston.
It's $500 per six months.
This is interesting.
The NEA, the National Endowment for the Arts,
was established in 65 and is funded primarily
ballet and modern contemporary dance.
It has made dance more of an art
than a social event.
This is replicated at the state level in
government organizations such as the Texas Commission on

(02:22:24):
the Arts.
It funds highbrow dance concerts to the exclusion
and detriment of regular dance.
Finally, at the local level, there is a
hotel occupancy tax in most major cities that
supports the arts.
This tax props up dance concerts, again, to
the exclusion and detriment of social dance gatherings.
The rules exclude competitions, religious, and social events.

(02:22:47):
And as the founding director of Dance Houston,
hello, Dance Houston, I went after and obtained
these government grants from 2006 to 2020.
I stopped, listen to this.
I stopped when I started listening to no
agenda.
We're hurting the arts.

(02:23:10):
And then I wrote this paper.
I'll link to that in the show notes.
I took aim at my local grantors who
had been very generous with me.
I stopped applying for grants and updated my
website with this page that says we will
receive grants, but not apply to them.
Major changes happened around here blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
There's a lot of stuff here.

(02:23:30):
I've been biting my tongue about SOCHOPS since
it may take a dissertation to grasp the
100-year evolution from public free dancing to
what we have now, but it's my forte,
so here you have it.
The government has in fact suppressed dancing and
elevated concert dance.
Well, this has given me an idea, a
possible exit strategy.

(02:23:51):
I'm gonna open a dance hall in Fredericksburg.
I don't think we have one.
I'm sure you don't.
I'm going to open one.
If they try to tax me, I'm gonna
cause a stink, I tell you.
I bet you there's a state law.
We'll find out.
I think it's peculiar.
I didn't even consider, her whole note, which
is long, I didn't consider any of that

(02:24:14):
as part of the problem.
The de-socialization of children is what this
amounts to.
Yeah.
And everything has been, the targeting has been
the family has been de-socialized.
They've been trying to get rid of the
family and they're trying to get socialization down.
The way to do all of this, I
would say it's- Well, you know what's
also a problem?

(02:24:35):
It used to be, as you said, because
it was the same when I was growing
up, we had dance.
It was a class, you took dance.
I think it was elective, but you took
dance in school.
And dance lessons have moved to dance studios
and they're expensive.
And you only go there if you're getting

(02:24:56):
married and you gotta do your first dance.
We should bring this back and have some
of those beautiful dances where you dance together.
And we do have line dancing in Texas
and we have stuff like that.
But there's something to be said for that,
John.
Save the children.
It's not happening.
The tendency is to bust up the family,

(02:25:16):
stop people from socializing, put them on the
little screens and let them sit there and
type, type, type and point on their TikTok
videos and point at you and tell you
you're bad and wiggle your finger.
Yes, with bird hands.
Bird hands.
All right, enough of that.
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Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
You've got karma.
I'm telling you, I'll bet you the church
would let me take the chairs out and
have a dance.
We could do it.
You could, well, let's see if anyone shows
up.
Well, no, that's not guaranteed at all.

(02:26:21):
Thank you, Linda.
Thank you to these associate executive producers and
executive producers for episode 1788.
We are drawing close to our 18th anniversary
in October, which is- Okay, don't get
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We haven't made it yet.
There's no guarantee we're going to make it.
And I might exit with my dance hall.
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(02:27:03):
We go out, we hit people in the
mouth.
Shut up, babe!
Order!
Shut up, babe!
Shut up, babe!
I'm kind of liking this idea of a
- And you know what?
We can do a sock-off.

(02:27:24):
We'll just have people take their shoes off.
Yeah, not that it's necessary, but it'd be
fun.
I'm kind of liking this.
I don't know, but in my old age,
I'm digging these ideas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm digging these ideas.
I have an unreported story.
I thought I'd run this out of you.
Okay.
I always like these unreported stories.

(02:27:45):
This is a story I read.
Nobody's covering this.
I don't know why, but it's good stuff.
This is the unreported Cook Island story.
Why is the US competing with China over
a little island nation in the Pacific?
The State Department just started seabed mineral talks
with the Cook Islands, a country with ties
to New Zealand.
And it is Washington correspondent Jack Bradley.
The US is partnering with the Cook Islands

(02:28:06):
to conduct research on seabed minerals.
The Pacific Island country sits atop a seabed
that's reportedly rich in critical minerals, and it's
also subject to influence by the Chinese Communist
Party.
The announcement was made on the Cook Islands'
60th anniversary.
They said in a joint statement on Tuesday
that US-linked firms sit at the forefront
of deep seabed mineral research and exploration in

(02:28:29):
the Cook Islands, which reflects strong and shared
US Cook Islands seabed mineral interests.
Last week, the FBI opened a new office
in Wellington, New Zealand, which oversees the Cook
Islands, and it's opened to counter the CCP's
regional influence, cybercrime, and espionage.
That's what FBI Director Kash Patel said at
the time, that countering the CCP is a

(02:28:51):
top priority both for the US and New
Zealand.
Putting us together in common space and sharing
with intelligence platforms and law enforcement partners and
defense operations is the only way we are
going to actually countermand the CCP threat that
is dominating the Indo-Pakistan region.

(02:29:12):
That's as concerns arose earlier this year over
the Cook Islands' deepening ties with China.
Their prime minister went to China in February
and signed a trade and seabed mining agreement
with the CCP.
Now, it's funny you mention that because I
had a clip for the last show from
Australia where they talked about the FBI opening
this office in New Zealand.

(02:29:33):
And the only reason they didn't mention the
Cook Islands, the only reason I clipped it
was, why is the FBI operating outside America?
Which brings us to, besides the second part
of this clip, which brings us to this
TV show, which is to soften us up
for this idea, because they had the show,

(02:29:53):
they had these, you know, Dick Wolf did
these FBI shows.
First it was FBI, then they rolled out
FBI Most Wanted, and then they rolled out
FBI International.
And FBI International makes it sound like the
FBI is an international police force.
Most of the stories were taking place in
Europe with an FBI office in Europe.
And it's just like in any FBI story,

(02:30:19):
in like a New York FBI story, like
the regular FBI series, where they're superseding the
local cops in Europe.
Every time I watch that show, I just
shake my head thinking, what is this?
What's going on here with this FBI and
this internationalization of the operation?

(02:30:40):
Who are we kidding?
We are the world's policemen.
I guess we have to just admit it
to ourselves.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, part two of this and we'll be
done with it.
But New Zealand's leaders were unhappy that they
weren't informed about this as the two countries
share constitutional ties.
And in June, New Zealand suspended eleven million
dollars to the Cook Islands in development funding.
China has been working to tie itself to

(02:31:02):
several island nations for rare earth minerals.
China supplies about 90 percent of the world's
rare earths and also dominates in producing many
critical minerals.
Analysts say that if China were to ban
exports of these minerals to the U.S.,
the consequences could be economically catastrophic.
So a total export ban would be devastating
to the U.S. economy.

(02:31:23):
We would need to rely on domestic sources
if we can get them online and to
turn to allies as much as possible.
So right now, the U.S. is looking
into alternatives like its trading partners in the
Indo-Pacific, Japan, Australia and also mining here
at home.
We have vast mineral resources here.
A lot of people do not understand how
much we actually have.

(02:31:44):
Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to
invest 400 million dollars in a stake in
MP Materials, America's largest rare earth mine.
How do we get so far behind the
eight ball on this deal?
What do you mean?
Well, we did the rare earths, which are
used mostly for that.
The most important part of them are for

(02:32:05):
magnets.
Yeah.
For a super strong little bitty magnets or
you can't have little stepper motors without little
bitty magnets.
You can't have a little bitty magnets without
these rare earths.
Yeah.
How did we get so far behind on
and on letting the Chinese just take over
the entire business when it's so important?
Thanks, Obama.

(02:32:27):
But thanks.
It goes back to Clinton.
You know, I was talking to my buddy
Robert.
Robert works here in in Fredericksburg and he's
a CNC operator and he makes very, very
tiny parts.
I think a lot of it's military.
I mean, he showed me a part.
It was it was like a, you know,

(02:32:47):
it wouldn't even fit on your thumbnail.
It was so small, complete precision.
And I said, how are the tariffs doing?
And he said, you know, it's really a
problem because our cost has gone up about
50 percent over, you know, the stuff we're
importing from China, he says.

(02:33:09):
So that is a problem.
He said, however, American metals.
So he wasn't talking about minerals, per se,
but American metals are far superior to the
stuff from China.
And he said, everybody knows that the hidden
secret is that no matter what you order
from China, you can throw 40 percent away.

(02:33:31):
It's just wrong.
It's broken.
It's defective.
It's junk.
So it's really only about 10 percent, 10
percent difference there.
Switching to American stuff.
But, you know, American companies are getting more
efficient and the cost is going to come
down.
And he thinks that this is going to
turn out pretty good.
And I think the same holds true for

(02:33:51):
minerals and for the production of minerals.
And that that company that was mentioned in
there, one of our producers sent me, you
know, he said, you know, I heard you
guys talking to what was the name of
the company?
I think it's MP, you know, MP something
or others.
Hold on.
We have vast mineral resources here.
A lot of people do not understand how

(02:34:12):
much we actually have.
Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to
invest four hundred million dollars in a stake
in MP Materials, America's largest rare earth mine.
So we had mentioned this and one of
our producers, I mean, knows that, oh, the
minute I heard you guys talking about it,
I bought stock and it dropped 10 percent.
But I'm holding on.

(02:34:32):
I'm holding on.
I think it's going to be a good
idea.
Go to the moon.
I think it may be a good idea.
We don't mean it's, you know, we're investing
in mining.
You know, not necessarily a bad thing.
Well, just we can probably talk about there
is some tariff stuff.
Very fun, slanted report, of course, from France,

(02:34:54):
24 from Liberation Day to Collection Day as
U.S. Customs officials finally begin enforcing Donald
Trump's tariffs.
On April 2nd, the president announced new import
duties on virtually all U.S. trading partners
worldwide, calling them reciprocal for policies that have
left America with large trade deficits and gutted

(02:35:16):
its manufacturing base.
Since then, a number of them have inked
preliminary frameworks, most U.K. goods now getting
a 10 percent rate, U.S. allies like
the E.U., Japan and South Korea reluctantly
accepting deals for around 15 percent lower than
Trump's initial threats, but still a major increase

(02:35:36):
from their previous positions.
Some other countries, though, have seen their positions
worsen since April.
India is now facing 50 percent tariffs over
its purchases of Russian oil.
Brazil facing the same rate as Trump accuses
it of persecuting his ally, far right former
President Jair Bolsonaro.
Dozens of other countries have not managed to

(02:35:58):
reach a new deal.
Overall, the average U.S. tariff rate is
going from 2 percent last year up to
15 percent.
Meanwhile, Trump has either threatened or already imposed
significant sector specific duties on industries like automobiles,
metals, pharmaceuticals and microprocessors.
Those tariffs have already raised significant revenues.

(02:36:20):
By the end of July, the U.S.
had collected over 150 billion dollars in customs
duties, nearly double the amount from the same
period last year.
Though they target foreign goods, tariffs are a
tax paid by importers.
U.S. businesses and consumers are thus now
bracing for higher prices amid a rapid reordering

(02:36:41):
of the global trade system.
Now, this is the continuous narrative of people
against the tariffs.
What is your opinion on that, that, oh,
we're going to get inflation, the prices are
going to rise.
All I hear is.
Producers saying, well, we're just eating that cost
because we really can't charge more.
I think that's the general opinion from the

(02:37:05):
pro tariff people, that that's what's going to
happen mostly and especially from the China side.
China's markup is even though this is all
this cheap stuff from China, I've had more
than a few producers from China.
Right.
And, you know, you have no idea.
He says the stuff they're selling that looks
cheap at two bucks, they could drop it

(02:37:26):
to a buck and still be cheap for
them sort of thing.
And so so the Chinese can eat a
lot of the a lot of the profits.
They're just making money hand over fist with
their overproduction.
I see you're you're shooting yourself in the
foot here.
Why?
Because you should say, yeah, it's because of
the tariffs that we can't do the microphone
company.

(02:37:52):
Yeah, I walked right into that.
You probably set me up.
That was a setup.
That was a nice try.
I was thinking about it for weeks, for
weeks.
Yeah, you've been sitting on that.
You people don't realize that you actually sit
around and rehearse in the mirror.
I do.
How can I get him now?
I'll get him this.
Yeah, that's basically it.
That's my whole life.
Now, there is good news.

(02:38:13):
Trump checks incoming.
Well, remember those stimulus checks from a few
years back, the federal government depositing a few
hundred bucks in your bank account during covid
-19?
Well, a similar idea has been introduced in
Congress, not because of a global health emergency,
but because of the record amount of revenue
being brought in through tariffs.

(02:38:34):
Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri has officially
introduced this piece of legislation entitled American Worker
Rebate Act of 2025.
It's based on the belief that the federal
government is bringing in a record amount of
tariff revenue.
And as a result, the American people deserve
a cut.
In June, for instance, the federal government reported

(02:38:55):
a new tariff revenue record of over 26
billion.
That is quadruple the amount from the same
month last year.
Even more tariff revenue appears to be on
the way.
President Donald Trump announcing new tariff rates for
European countries in recent days.
Here is how the proposed tariff rebate plan
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According to Senator Hawley's legislation, six hundred dollars

(02:39:18):
per adult and child would be deposited by
the Treasury Department into Americans bank accounts.
Individuals making under seventy five thousand dollars a
year and couples who file their taxes jointly
and make under one hundred and fifty thousand
would qualify.
Those earning more would receive a reduced payout.
The amount could even increase depending on if

(02:39:39):
tariff revenue booms even more.
I make a prediction.
Here's my prediction.
These checks will come as checks.
They will have President Trump's smiling face on
it.
They will have his signature and it will
be just about around the midterms.
That's what you do.
That's what you do.
It's called bribing the public.
It's a great way to do it.

(02:40:00):
Everyone will be happy.
And who's going to complain about it?
Or the Democrats.
They're going to hide.
They're going to run away and say, hey,
this is a bribe.
Yes.
No, Trump.
I think when he did it the first
time because he put his signature on these
checks and there was something about it was
like just like Scott Besant, which I'm convinced

(02:40:22):
only wants to remain as a Treasury secretary
because his signature is on every bill.
Yes.
So every bill that's printed has got his
signature on it, which is kind of cool
if you think about it.
Very cool.
And so why would you want to do
anything but that job in your signature on
every dollar bill?
Because, you know, it's not really money.
It's it belongs to the Treasury.

(02:40:43):
And it's got your signature on it.
But so Trump, as a promoter, sees this
as an opportunity.
I agree 100 percent.
I don't think it's picture.
I didn't think about the picture.
But now that you mention it, I think
instead of a seal, you have Trump's picture.
That's not a bad idea.
I'm sure they'll be mulling that over.

(02:41:04):
And and not to not to fall short
over there in the European Union.
Unfortunately, I looked for a long time to
get this full clip.
I could not find the clip with the
question that Christine Fifi Lagarde answered.
And the question was about the digital euro.
And I won't tell you what the question

(02:41:24):
was, because she she answers that at the
very end of this rather short clip.
It's annoying because I really wanted to have
the I really want to have the full
series is from euro debates.
But then they chopped it up and they
didn't have the full or full speech and
Q&A.
Now, the digital euro is going to be
a 100 percent bona fide certified central bank

(02:41:46):
digital currency.
Yeah.
Which is a very, very poor idea for
the people of the European Union.
And so I think the question was rather
hostile.
And here's her answer.
You know, I have a pretty simple understanding
of what the digital euro is.
And for me, this is the digital expression

(02:42:09):
of cash.
Right.
I mean, we all have cash.
Well, most of you, I suppose I do.
I like cash, but it takes the form
of coins or banknotes.
This is cash and this is central bank
money, if you will.
It's sovereign money.
There's a big difference between sovereign and central
bank money.
But OK, Fifi, I really don't understand much

(02:42:31):
about the digital euro.
Yeah, you do.
But as technologies evolve over the course of
time and as the preference for payment evolves
as a result, we need to respond to
the demand of our European compatriots.
And I see digital euro as the digital

(02:42:52):
expression of cash.
It's like digital cash.
You can argue at the margin that in
terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not
exactly on the same page.
You could argue in the margin, in the
margin that, you know, it's not quite the
same privacy you have as cash.

(02:43:12):
No, it's not the margin that is the
main point of it.
You can argue at the margin that in
terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not
exactly on the same page.
You could argue that the cost of cash
is higher than blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
That's what it is.
So to argue that digital cash is a

(02:43:34):
nuclear bomb, I think that's a little bit
over the top.
We're not holding nuclear bombs in our pockets,
as far as I know.
That guy said CBDC is a nuclear bomb.
You're going to trap everybody in it.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly what's happening.
Get out while you can, Europe.
Don't be like John in California, stuck there

(02:43:55):
until the cycle's over.
You won't survive it.
Yeah, it's a cycle.
OK, then some movement on the Russia-Ukraine
front.
After weeks of worsening relations, Donald Trump now

(02:44:16):
says a face to face meeting with Vladimir
Putin is on the cards in the near
future.
We had some very good talks with President
Putin today, and there's a very good chance
that we could be ending the ending the
round, ending the end of that road.
That road was long and continues to be
long.
But there's a good chance that there will
be a meeting very soon.

(02:44:37):
While the U.S. president declined to give
an exact date, the New York Times reported
it could be as early as next week.
Trump then wants a three-way summit with
President Putin and Ukraine's President Zelensky.
If the talks do go ahead, it would
be the first time American and Russian leaders
meet face to face since the 2021 Geneva
summit.
The announcement comes hours after the U.S.'s

(02:44:58):
special envoy, Steve Whitkoff, met with Putin in
Moscow.
The Kremlin called these talks productive.
Russia has until Friday to agree to a
ceasefire or face further sanctions.
Trump discussed Whitkoff's visit with Zelensky and European
allies in a phone call, which was welcomed
by the Ukrainian leader.
We discussed what was said in Moscow.
It seems that Russia is now more inclined

(02:45:19):
to agree to a ceasefire.
The pressure on them is working.
But the main thing is that they do
not deceive us or the U.S. in
the details.
Despite the optimism, the White House says it
will still impose secondary tariffs on countries that
buy Russian oil.
That could see goods from any country face
100 percent tax when imported to the U
.S. Oh, there you go.

(02:45:39):
I have a Whitkoff clip.
Play my if there's any different information in
it.
OK, Whitkoff, a motorcade believed to be carrying
U.S. special envoy Steve Whitkoff, left the
Kremlin on Wednesday.
President Trump says Whitkoff had a highly productive
meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Trump added that great progress was made.
Afterwards, I updated some of our European allies.

(02:46:02):
Everyone agrees this war must come to a
close.
Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was on the call
with Trump and European allies as well on
Wednesday.
According to Zelensky, Putin is more open to
peace talks after Wednesday's meeting with Whitkoff.
We discussed what was said in Moscow.
It appears that Russia is now more inclined

(02:46:23):
to consider a ceasefire.
The pressure on them is working.
Russia's foreign policy adviser says the meeting lasted
three hours.
When it comes to its topics, first of
all, it was the Ukraine crisis.
And the second topic was possible development of
strategic cooperation between the U.S. and Russia.
Trump is now open to meet with Putin
to discuss possible peace solutions.

(02:46:45):
White House press secretary Caroline Leavitt tells NTD
sister media the Epoch Times that the Russians
expressed their desire to meet with President Trump
and the president is open to meeting with
both President Putin and President Zelensky.
President Trump wants this brutal war to end.
The developments come just two days before a
deadline for Russia to strike a peace deal

(02:47:06):
with Ukraine.
Trump says he'll increase economic pressure on Moscow
if no deal is reached by Friday.
You know, I think you're right about stable
coin in Russia.
And that that's got to be a part
of it.
Listen, Vlad.
All right.
Armistice.
OK, we'll do armistice.
We'll have a deal.
I think the armistice thing's a good idea.
Armistice demilitarized zone.

(02:47:27):
And we'll get you your stable coin.
And then we can do deals without those
annoying Brussels people with Swift.
It's easy.
And that's exactly what we want.
And I think the Russians want that, too.
They they're good traders.
I mean, they don't compete with us really
in terms of giant market.
But everybody likes trading with us.
There's a lot of opportunities here.

(02:47:49):
We're good traders.
We are.
Yeah.
We are.
So let's do some just do some deals.
Let's do a deal, man.
Let's do some deal.
Yeah, let's do some deals already.
The Russians, you know, they're running out of
champagne.
You know, these guys, they need champagne.
No, there's you've been around these Russians.
And, you know, if you in Europe, you

(02:48:10):
see a bunch of these Russian oligarchs that
pop and sham the most expensive crap you
can imagine.
They're just opening it up and dumping it
on women's heads.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In the club.
Yeah, they're just crazy.
Yeah, they are.
Yeah.
Although we appear to be auctioning off one
of those oligarchs yachts.

(02:48:31):
Like a three hundred and twenty five million
dollar yacht.
Well, it's just stealing property.
We have to stop doing that.
That's why this has got to end.
That's very bad.
You know, that was like this.
All of a sudden, there was this huge
breaking story.
Alex Jones was flipping out over it that
Trump is going to deny disaster aid to
any state that that boycotts Israel.

(02:48:54):
And man, people went crazy.
And what?
And I looked into it.
And what it was is there was some
DHS document, and I wouldn't put it past
Kristi Noem to have put this in herself.
And it did indeed have language like, oh,
if you have a state that that boycotts
BDS, that boycotts Israel, then.

(02:49:17):
And of course, we know that, you know,
Mossad has has Epstein tapes on Trump.
So obviously he would have to do that.
And what did he do?
He said, no, we're not doing that nonsense.
We put American states first, so it died
off real quick.
I thought that was rather interesting how, you
know, you don't you don't hear the you

(02:49:39):
don't hear people say, oh, Trump just won
against the Mossad.
I got a couple of clips on the
data centers.
Ah, OK, because this is actually should have
brought should have brought this in during the
discussion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
But I'm looking at these two clips and

(02:49:59):
I can't figure out which is which.
But let's start with data centers.
VA, Virginia, the rise of data centers is
becoming one of the hottest issues on the
campaign trail this year in the election for
the Virginia House of Delegates.
Virginia Public Radio's Michael Pope has details.
There's one issue that former delegate Elizabeth Guzman

(02:50:19):
hears about all the time in her campaign
for a battlefield house seat in Prince William
County data centers.
They are telling me, OK, great data centers
are here, but I don't see what is
in it for me.
I don't see those incentives reflected on my
property tax bill.
The Republican incumbent she's trying to unseat is

(02:50:40):
delegate Ian Lovejoy.
In the last session of the General Assembly,
he introduced an unsuccessful bill that would have
prohibited local governments from allowing data centers within
a quarter mile of parks, schools or residences.
When local governments get it wrong so often
and so consistently, there is a role for
the state government to step in and say

(02:51:01):
that you're being out of line.
His bill did not get out of subcommittee,
but the General Assembly did pass a separate
bill that would have required local governments to
do a site assessment of water use and
potential noise output of any proposed data center.
Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin vetoed it.

(02:51:21):
Yeah, Michael Pope.
Water at the very end, that guy.
And that's what I have is a second
clip.
You have to listen to this way.
This guy ended this thing he did.
He did the the meme.
What was that, Cy?
What's the name of your aunt?
And Gigi and Gigi does an aunt Gigi

(02:51:42):
thing at the end.
I have the I have the very short
version of it right here.
This is the very end of that clip.
Michael Pope.
Not quite.
What kind of reporting is this is NPR.
You got a guy moaning and groaning on
there.

(02:52:06):
Yeah, oh, yeah, I think we should.
We OK, I think I got I got
a shorty here, a real shorty, because this
was like, wow, we're spending money on this.
It could be another giant leap for mankind.
And then some acting NASA administrator Sean Duffy
is set to fast track efforts to put
a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030.

(02:52:27):
Documents obtained by Politico and confirmed by ABC
News detail the plan.
Duffy calls it the second space race, citing
similar plans by China and Russia.
The concern is those countries could potentially block
others from exploration if their reactor reaches the
lunar surface first.
A reactor would be an essential source of
power during long term human stays on the

(02:52:48):
moon, which is steeped in cold darkness for
14 days at a time.
You know, brother, are we really spending money
on that?
I don't know why that's that news story
even came up.
Well, then to round out my clips for
today, we know that there's a very exciting

(02:53:09):
race in New York City for mayor of
New York.
Yes.
With mom, mom, mom, Donnie.
Do we even know the Republicans name?
That's it's Sliwa.
Oh, Curtis Sliwa.
Oh, Curtis Sliwa.
Well, he's not doing a good job of
promoting himself.
But we do have we do have another

(02:53:30):
candidate.
We've discussed him before.
He is a show favorite.
The one and only Reverend Manning.
Now, yes, you've been saving this clip.
Well, no, it's a new one.
You know, he he's now campaigning and he
has a very interesting campaign promise.
He will remove horsehair from hospitals and restaurants.

(02:53:53):
I would enact legislation that you can't have
braids if you work in a hospital.
You're standing there trying to give the patient
an IV in your head, dropping in their
mouth.
They can't breathe.
They're either an open and chewing on your
head.
I don't know what happened to them.
You can't have braids and false hair, horse
hair in the hospital.
Horse hair don't belong in the hospital.

(02:54:14):
Horse hair don't belong in the restaurants.
Horse hair don't belong in the schools.
Horse hair don't belong in the horse hair.
Belong on the horse's ass.
That's where I belong.
Don't belong on your head.
Wow, I love him.
Oh, brother.
OK, well, you get a borderline clip of

(02:54:34):
the day for that one.
Oh, I didn't even expect that uncovering.
I didn't even expect that.
It's beautiful.
I'm going to show my support by donating
to No Agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.

(02:54:57):
Still ahead, John's tip of the day.
We also have some.
Nah, this is your tip of the day,
if you recall.
Still ahead, Adam's tip of the day.
Yeah, I have it.
I do have a tip of the day.
I do.
Yeah, I had one last show.
And so luckily I still have that.
So I'll bring out my tip of the

(02:55:17):
day.
That's good news.
Tip of the day.
I have the tip of the day.
Boy, saved by the bill.
Oh, you forgot.
Well, I forgot, but I have it because
I saved it in my exquisite.
Oh, I didn't know you even have one
for the last show.
Yeah, I did.
I have it.
I had one.
And that's why you promised to do.
Yeah, since I knew that I would forget,
but I would have one.
So it worked out OK.

(02:55:39):
Also, some vaccine related end of show clips,
which are just as good when they were
created many years ago.
It still holds true.
They've been on this train for a long
time.
And we also want to thank our supporters.
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Yeah, actually, he's got a mix up his
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Should be at the top of the list
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They came with one hundred and fifty dollars.
And then, sir, sir, face tension.
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And this is a donation for to to
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Oh, for his end of show mix.
So he he likes the.
The A.I. show mix.
Yeah, that was the event, but what you
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I don't know if I think it was
partially A.I., but not all of it.
It was a high and back in Vista,
California, comes in with a hundred.
Now we have a bunch of and this
will continue one more show, which is the
eighty eight eighty eight.
But John and Mimi anniversary done.
Oh, that's right.
So people are already jumping.

(02:57:01):
Oh, is that in the newsletter?
Yeah, because I didn't see the newsletter, unfortunately.
I don't know why I sent it to
you.
I know I was on the road doing
important things.
But I don't remember.
But I was on the road doing important
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He's in Zot and Dom all in eight,
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He liked the cute kittens, too.
I put in the newsletter, Kevin McLaughlin, eight,

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eight, eight, eight.
But he saw Archduke, a lover of American
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He comes in later to an eight oh
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David Keyes.
And these are all eight, eight, eight, eight
Riverside, California.
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Now there's Dame Rita, eight, eight, eight, eight.
A and Sylvia Cridich in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.
Eight, eight, eight, eight.
And this will continue on Sunday.
And we have eighty to twenty five, which
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I put that on there as an option.
One guy did it.
And that is Mons Mansour Rod in Alpharetta,

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Georgia.
Thanks, Mansour.
Kevin McLaughlin's back with eight oh eight.
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Melons, Stephen Hutto, Stephen Hutto.
He's in St. Petersburg, Florida, and came in
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Sixty three.
Twenty five.

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Here it comes.
I'll just have a nap.
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Fifty one.
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Turn and face the slaves.
Changes.
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We do have one title change, as you
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Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Tranquility, Tranquility, Tranquility.
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Yes, there is a new Duke.
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You and the other gentleman.
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Well, we all know connection is protection, but
did you know that you need a community
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Yes, it's a new phrase we're trying to
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So you do that and you get that

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along with really people who will be the
first responders in any emergency for you at
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You can find them at no agenda meetups
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We don't have any meetup reports for this
week.
As we're kind of winding down some of
the summer, I expected to pick up a
bit.
Well, we do have a beer in the
sun meetup happening tomorrow at 530.
That's in Victoria, British Columbia at the Lighthouse

(03:05:14):
Brewery.
And on Saturday, the Treasure Valley Boise meetup
at three o'clock at the Old State
Saloon in Eagle, Idaho.
There's quite a number of what are you
drinking?
I am drinking a Dolby Mountain sparkling water.
Lovely.
Sparkling mineral water.
I'm sure it has natural flavors.

(03:05:35):
No flavors.
It's just plain.
OK, well, plenty of meetups on the list
for August all the way into September and
beyond, including remember, we got a big October
11th meetup happening in Fredericksburg, Texas.
Plan accordingly, because hotel rooms are sparse and
you'll need it.
Well, you can stay at the full moon
bed and breakfast at J6 or Jenny's place

(03:05:58):
if you get in on time.
And I'm looking forward to seeing everybody there.
So go take a look at those.
Noagentomeetups.com is where you can find a
meetup near you.
There's a great calendar system.
You can submit your own meetups because if
you can't find one, it's easy to start
one yourself.
Go ahead.

(03:06:25):
You want to be where everybody feels the
same.
It's like a party.
I'm thinking you misclipped your ISO because it's
15 seconds long.
Oh, I must have misclipped it.
Is it the very end?
Oh, I don't know.
I'll see.
Show is over.
Stay safe.

(03:06:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let me see.
What was the whole thing?
Another winner is in the can.
Oh, this is you doing your A.I.
You tried it.
Oh, let me try it.
Let me regenerate.
Maybe it'll be better.
Oh, no, that's no good.
Let me try it again.
Shows is over.
Shows is over.
That sucks.
The AI is getting worse.

(03:07:07):
Oh, bland.
Dow is over.
Stay safe.
Nah, no good.
I'll try this one.
Show is over.
Stay safe.
Okay.
Wow, that's great, John.
Good work.
In fact, my ISO pertains to it.
Good job.
Keep it up.
Good job.
Keep it up.
Mike, but to stay safe is funnier.
Good job.
Keep it up.

(03:07:27):
I have more, though.
So what he just said is totally bogus.
We have some kid abuse.
Always like using a kid.
It's too long, but I did want to
play this from Gus.
Please donate to my uncle's podcast because they
have no money to feed their dogs.
I just thought it was cute.

(03:07:47):
There's this one.
That is cute.
Yeah, there's this one.
Here we go.
Two windbags, one podcast.
And Senator Kennedy.
Pointless.
Organized.
Grab ass.
So.
Wow.
I know it's kind of bad.
You want to.
Good job.

(03:08:08):
Keep it up.
I like that one.
But you're okay.
You can use that.
That's okay.
It's acceptable.
It's acceptable.
I'm acceptable.
I love it.
Hey, everybody, it's time for my tip of
the day.
Just a tip with J.C.D. and
sometimes Adam.

(03:08:28):
Okay, I came across what I think is
absolutely the best tip of the day in
case of an emergency for when the grid
goes down, when the EMP hits and you
can't go anywhere.
This is a case of 12 MREs.

(03:08:50):
These are military, genuine, ready to eat meals.
And they come with water activated, flameless heating.
So it is not just some cold slop.
And you can store them in just regular
in your home.
You don't have to refrigerate them or anything.
This is from King Surplus.

(03:09:11):
It is the 7.5 MRE case 12
pack U.S. military, genuine, ready to eat
meals.
You can get variety A or variety B.
I have tried them myself.
They are actually delicious.
What does one of these meals cost?

(03:09:31):
Well, it costs you $38.95 for the
12 pack because they're tasty.
So it's not cheap.
But I find them to be okay.
So you have that for dinner?
I did.
I tried that and I tried farmer's dog.
It was a toss up between the two.
Farmer's dog.
Yeah, Phoebe's on farmer's dog.

(03:09:52):
I always try what my dog eats, which
is actually maybe even a better tip of
the day.
If you get farmer's dog for your dog,
you have your MREs ready to go.
You just have, you know, the dog will
starve, but okay, at least I won't.
The beef recipe from farmer's dog is actually
quite tasty.

(03:10:13):
Okay.
All right, there it is, everybody.
John's tip of the day brought to you
by Sometimes Adam.
Okay, I admit it's hard to do a
tip of the day.
It's not an easy thing to do.

(03:10:34):
It's hard to make it entertaining and interesting.
I'll be the first.
Do you have an extra one of those
meals?
Yeah, I have 11 left.
Why don't you send one to me?
I want to see if it's delicious.
It's, well, after you see it.
This will be the encouragement.
I'll send you the hard disk that we

(03:10:54):
need for the recent backup.
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.
And then when you send me the hard
disk back.
Okay.
Put the meal in there.
All right, there you go.
That's incentive for you and for me.
Yeah, like it's a win win.
Like it's ever going to happen.
I have to send you the hard disk.
I won't get because you already said you
won't.
You stop giving me free disks.

(03:11:16):
That's right.
Yes, because they're not just disks.
They're actual drives.
It's a big deal.
You're sending 10 terabyte drive with 100 megabytes
of material.
Millennial Media Offensive is next on the Noah
Jenner stream.
If you're listening live, we got into show
mixes from Audio Ghost, Jesse Coy, Nelson and
Sound Guy, Steve.
Coming to you from the heart of the

(03:11:36):
Texas Hill Country in the morning.
Everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
North of Silicon Valley, where I remain.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
We'll see you on Sunday.
Until then, remember us at NoahJennerDonations.com.
Adios, mofos.
Ahoy, ahoy.
And such.
You ready for your vaccine?

(03:12:00):
Societal responsibility.
It'd save us all, listen to me.
It's very frustrating.
Because I'm a vax man.
Yeah, I'm a vax man.
That's really not the right attitude.
This little job won't hurt at all.

(03:12:23):
You can do it quickly.
Thankful I don't vax you all.
You can do it in bulk.
That's the thing I really want to do.
If you drive your car, I'll vax the

(03:12:44):
street.
If you try to sit, I'll vax your
seat.
If you get too tall, I'll vax the
seat.
If you take a walk, I'll vax your
feet.
I'm a vax man.

(03:13:10):
They put together complete nonsense.
You know, I consider the country as my
children.

(03:13:32):
Vexinate, ain't it great?
You really shouldn't hesitate.
You did it once, then do it twice.
A second time is just as nice.
Look out, here comes the needle man.
Is it safe?
Listen, dude, don't ask questions or you're a
kook.
Not according to the submission report.

(03:13:54):
Look out, here comes the needle man.
Dr. Sheree Morris strongly encourages expecting mothers to
get the flu vaccine.
The ongoing measles outbreak spread a concern from
coast to coast.
Vaxinate, it's really great.
Are you currently up to date?
Better check on the spot or you'll get

(03:14:15):
by quite a lot.
Don't worry, we're making lots of money.
Even if something's a bit funny, you'll need
to vaxinate.
If you have to get sick, you can't
beat the measles.
Put simply, propaganda is the dissemination of ideas
intended to convince people to think and act

(03:14:35):
in a particular way and for a particular
purpose.
News CNN reporting shows there's been a sharp
decline in vaccination ads on television.
The COVID-19 vaccines have been proven safe
and effective.
There's a lot of misinformation about the COVID
-19 vaccine.
So it's critical that you get the facts
from sources you can trust.

(03:14:56):
The fact is the vaccines are safe and
effective.
More sickness and death across our nation.
A campaign of shock and awe has begun.
It's all of our responsibility to slow the
spread of the coronavirus.
People you know and trust are getting vaccinated.
The most affected are black women.
Everyone has to keep everyone else safe.

(03:15:18):
The vaccines have all been through and met
the necessary safety and quality standards.
Now that every American over the age of
16 is eligible to get the vaccine, I
want to talk about you getting yours.
Getting a vaccine can protect not only you
but your loved ones.
The vaccine is safe.
Safe.
COVID vaccines are safe and effective.
It's effective.
It's effective.

(03:15:38):
It's easy.
It's free.
And it cannot change your DNA.
The next step on the journey is yours.
Our health is worth a shot.
I beg the public to take this virus
more seriously.
The ultimate endgame of all this is vaccination.

(03:16:05):
Good job.
Keep it up.

(03:16:28):
Hey, the machine's alive.
The more we hear, the fishier this sounds.

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