1790 - "Florida Ounce" - No Agenda Show

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I went to jail for the Republic.
Adam Curry, John C.
DeVora.
It's Thursday, August 14, 2025.
This is your award-winning Kibble Nation Media
Assassination Episode 1790.
This is no agenda.
Covering IPV4 and 6.
And broadcasting live from the heart of the
Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region No.

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6.
In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we tell
everybody not to throw sandwiches at cops.
I'm John C.
DeVorak.
It's crackpot and buzzkill.
In the morning.
Oh, is that the latest in California?
No, no.
This is what happened in D.C. You
didn't watch this morning's news.

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No.
I'm so bored by it.
I've got Trump on the quad screen right
now.
So there's a guy in a pink shirt
and shorts standing in front of one of
the cops and yelling, calling him a fascist
and going on and on.
And then he throws a giant Subway sandwich
at the cop.
He's right in front of him.
He's about a foot away.
And the cops chase him down, arrest him

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for a felony assault on a police officer.
The guy was an employee of the Department
of Justice.
That's great.
That's what made this story great.
We're lost, man.
Immediately fired by Bondi.
Oh, no, of course.
Scam Bondi.
She won't stand for that.

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What was this guy thinking?
What a numbnut.
Well, we probably should just talk about that
just for a second since you brought it
up.
Let me see here.
It's noteworthy, Errol, there's been no legal challenge
filed by the leaders of the District of
Columbia.
Yeah, isn't that interesting that everyone's like, oh,
he's federalizing D.C., he's a takeover, takeover

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of D.C. I went to my hair
girl in Austin on Wednesday.
Oh, you took the trek to Austin.
Yes, I made the trek.
It was very dangerous.
A lot like me going to Sacramento.
Long haul.
Yeah, the distance, but the minute you kind

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of, once you pass Dripping Springs and you
come into this big smoke of Austin, it
just feels dark.
Really?
Yeah, it does.
It used to be a lively little city.
No, it's big.
It's busy.
There's lots of traffic and everyone's insane.
Everyone's nuts.

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So I'm talking to my girl.
She's like, even she was somewhat infected.
And she's pretty straight down the middle.
She's like, oh, you know.
Infected by what?
By the, oh, Trump did the takeover.
Trump takeover of D.C. Takeover.
The U.S. government owns D.C. Well,
this is what people don't know.

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They don't know anything.
They're not taught anything in school.
No, no.
When you don't even know that LBS is
an abbreviation for pounds or that a nickel
is five cents.
It was a half dozen.
Oh, wait a minute.
I had another one here.
What did I have?
I had another one someone sent me.
LBS.

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My wife works with a vet.
I'm not sure what this is.
Her coworker one day was asking her what
a florida ounce was.
My wife asked her to repeat it again.
She said she looked over at a piece
of paper and says, what is a florida
ounce?

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Because it said FL ounces.
And this poor person didn't understand it.
It stood for fluid ounces.
No, it's florida ounces.
I mean, we're pretty lost when this stuff
happens.
Wow, that's a good one.
That's a topper.
We are lost.
So, yeah, people don't know.
And by the way, all those conspiracies about
the USA is now we're a corporation.

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All the letters are capital.
It all has to do with Washington, D
.C. We're a corporation.
And so, of course, amongst all the noise
and all the blathering and all the habeas
corpus.
And this is from CBS.
Indeed, what you do not hear is an
actual legal challenge against the president doing this.

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Because it's well within his rights and everybody
knows it.
Except people who measure things in florida ounces.
It's noteworthy, Errol, there's been no legal challenge
filed by the leaders of the District of
Columbia.
An indication they think the president is well
within his authority to unilaterally call up the
D.C. National Guard.
Deploy them on the streets in a supportive

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law enforcement mission.
And to federalize the nearly 4,000-person
Metropolitan Police Department in Washington, D.C. Because
this is the District of Columbia.
Not a city, not a state.
The president has unique powers here.
The broader question, though, is what impact is
this going to have?
We know what it looks like so far.
You see federal agents, FBI agents, alcohol, tobacco

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and firearm agents on the street.
Almost side-by-side or block-by-block
with D.C. police officers monitoring for street
crime.
The National Guard still has yet to deploy
into the district itself.
Still readying themselves, readying their equipment.
We'll expect to see them by weeks end.
But it's hard to get a gauge, Errol,
on what's going to be a determinative success

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here.
What means this worked?
Is it a 30-day crime reduction in
the data?
Is it a no friction between the new
law enforcement on the ground and the residents
of Washington, D.C.? And can things change
in such a short window of time, over
30 days?
And the mayor is arguing what you see

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on the screen.
The crime is already down significantly from last
year.
Plummeting by more than 25 percent.
That includes robberies, that includes homicides.
And she says that's from partnering with the
federal government and empowering the local police.
So I have a question for you about
D.C. I was born in Washington, D

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.C. My birth certificate, my passport.
Oh really?
You never mentioned that on the show and
I never knew that.
I thought you were born in Virginia.
Arlington Hospital, which is technically in Washington, D
.C. So it says Washington, D.C. on
your birth certificate?
Yeah, on my birth certificate and my passport.
So what am I?
Well, that explains a lot.

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So what am I?
Am I even a human?
Do I exist?
No, you're a subhuman.
We've all known this.
Do I belong to President Trump?
Am I a member of Trump land?
Yes, he owns you.
You're his slave.
So just like the Congresswoman Holmes, I exist,
but I have— Norton.
Norton.
Why do I say Holmes?
Norton!

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Elizabeth—what is her name?
Eleanor Norton?
Is that her name?
Eleanor Holmes Norton or something like that.
I met her.
Do you remember I met her?
She's—oh, here we go.
Yeah.
I want to hear the story now.
I want to say it was 2010 or
2012 and I was— You met up with

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her.
She represents Washington and you were born there.
Now I'm getting suspicious.
It was actually Wendell Potter had invited me
to see— Wendell Potter.
There's a name for it.
The plot thickens.
Yes.
And he had invited—I met him through the
big book show.
Now we're going back.
Now it gets worse.

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The big book show.
And he wrote a book and it was
about how horrible health care was in America.
And I was like, oh, that's kind of
an interesting guy.
And he said, you know, come to D
.C. And this came up yesterday because Tina
said, have you ever been to D.C.?
Of course I've been to D.C. But
the most recently was about 15 years ago.
And the crime was already bad then.
It just felt bad.
The whole place felt, you know, dark.

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It was crime-ridden.
Dark and threatening.
And so I went— Put us down.
So I went to—it's 25 percent.
So I went to see his movie and
I'm watching this movie and I'm like, something's
wrong about this movie.
And then at the end, you know, they
have the filmmakers come up on the stage
and talk about the film.
And there was Norton.

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And Norton's with Wendell Potter and it's all
about Obamacare.
Oh, this is going to save everything.
I'm like, what?
I was totally snookered by that guy.
So that's when I met her and I'm
like, you are— Talk about a bad vibe.
She just exudes nothing but bad vibe, mainly
because she's a representative and is not allowed

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to vote.
That's the whole thing.
No, she's just allowed to make a fuss.
A fuss, exactly.
I have two D.C. clips.
All right.
No real background on what's going on.
But interesting clips because this one kind of
came and went from— ABC played this.
It's a Bureau Girl.

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I heard this one.
Yeah, this is a good—this woman comes out
and she's— this has kind of been quashed,
but this is the D.C. story, ABC
Bureau Girl.
I can tell you firsthand here in downtown
D.C., where we work, right here around
our bureau, just in the past six months,
you know, there were two people shot.
One person died literally two blocks down here
from the bureau.

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It was within the last two years that
I actually was jumped walking just two blocks
down from here.
And then just this morning, one of my
coworkers said her car was stolen a block
away from the bureau.
Nothing to see here.
There's nothing to see here.
Everything's fine.
And then, of course, that contrast with my

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D.C. super cut, which it could have
been better.
I didn't—I put some time into it, but
I could have—it went—it did went 146.
But this is a D.C. crime.
It was a crime super cut.
When I go to D.C., I'm not
afraid of losing my wallet so much as
I'm afraid of losing my vote.
I'm not afraid of losing my wallet so
much as I'm afraid that my children's freedom

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to breathe will be stolen in a world
where climate change policy is non-existent.
Hey, Jen, you know, people ask me as
a journalist, are you—you know, are you worried
about the way things are going with this
administration, them coming after you and all that
kind of stuff?
And I think whatever my answer is, it's
like double for you, right?
You're a journalist and you were in the
administration.
Just accrue to me.

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If I'm—I need to find out if you're
scared, because if you're not scared, then I'm
good.
You know, I try not to be.
So many people have been calling me over
the past couple days going, you know, like,
Washington should have gotten involved years ago.
This place is dangerous.
It's a mess.
It's a wreck and whatever.
And then they'll go on Twitter, and go,

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this is the worst outrage of all time.
They're jockeying.
I don't care what the crime statistics say.
Crime has been a problem in this city
for the 32 years I've been living inside
and outside of the city.
If, in fact, this only lasts for 30
days, it couldn't possibly have much of an
impact on crime in D.C. And this

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may be simply a media event to say
that the president is concerned about crime, but
in fact have nothing—may accomplish nothing in D
.C. or anywhere else.
The president is doing this not in order
to make the city safer— that's the job
of local law enforcement— but to solve his
own political problems.

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He needs to get his base talking and
thinking about something besides his refusal to open
up the exodus files.
Donald Trump makes himself Batman, and the nation's
capital is Gotham City.
Well, for sure, for sure, everything needs to
distract from Epstein.
We cannot have that.
And I think that plan is working.

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You're like, eh, whatever, moving on.
Normal people, not obsessed with X, eh, they've
forgotten about it.
Because, you know, they're still trying to figure
out, what is a Florida ounce?
I don't get it.
A Florida ounce.
I'm confused.
By the way, show title.
Yeah, I thought that was a possibility.
Yeah, Florida ounce.
There is another motive here for the president,

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and this could be a signature move for
him.
And we'll only know a little down the
line how well that turns out, because whenever
you have a crime bill, you don't want
it to stick to your name if it
starts arresting the wrong people.
Well, if it's a national emergency, we can
do it without Congress, but we expect to
be to Congress, before Congress, very quickly.
And again, we think the Democrats will not

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do anything to stop crime, but we think
the Republicans will do it almost unanimously.
So we're going to need a crime bill
that we're going to be putting in, and
it's going to pertain initially to D.C.
It's almost, we're going to use it as
a very positive example, and we're going to
be asking for extensions on that, long-term

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extensions, because you can't have 30 days.
30 days is, that's by the time you
do it.
We're going to have this in good shape,
and don't forget, in the border, everyone said
it would take years, and you'd have to
go back to Congress.
I never went to Congress for anything.
I just said, close the border, and they
closed the border, and that was the end

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of it.
I didn't go back to Congress.
We're going to do this very quickly, but
we're going to want extensions.
I don't want to call a national emergency.
If I have to, I will, but I
think the Republicans in Congress will approve this
pretty much unanimously.
Yeah, this is the big, this will be
a signature move, almost as big as the
stable coin.
It'll be the Trump crime bill, and you

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better check it twice, because that can get
pretty ugly.
Before you know it, you're a racist.
Well, he's been called a racist already for
naming.
The racist, the thesis goes like this.
Trump wants to end and lower crime in
black-controlled cities like Oakland, Baltimore, etc.

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He wants to make crime go down in
those black cities, so he's a racist.
That is racist.
By definition, racist.
You know, I feel like a bit of,
this of course is also, everything's about the
midterms.
You and I have discussed that.
I feel like a bit of a dope
not having understood really the system of illegal

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immigration, what the whole gambit was, from the
Democrat Party mainly.
Probably completely.
And the gambit was always the census.
Right.
That's what, if you remember in 2020, they
made a big fuss about, they tried to
put a checkbox, are you an illegal alien?

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And the Democrats fought it tooth and nail,
said, no, no, we have to count everybody.
They're here, they have to be counted.
They're here, they have to be counted.
And that was, of course, so that you
get some more people in certain states, California
being one of them.
Yes.
So you get more representatives.
Yeah, well, that's the point.
And that's, I just feel dumb about it.
I mean, everyone always says, well, they just

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want more Democrat voters.
They're going to vote illegally.
No, the whole point was the districting.
Well, we'll stop for a second.
With the recent busting of the people in,
I forgot what state it was.
There was some whistleblower woman came out, she
was working for DMV, where they were selling

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driver's licenses to illegals, 200 bucks a piece.
And they want the votes.
I mean, yes, the reapportionment was the main
reason that they wanted millions of aliens in
here.
And a lot of them never were going
to vote.
But there are some voters too.
But that was just bonus.
I mean, the real, with the census, the

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big deal is how many representatives you get
in Congress.
That's really the big win by counting everybody.
I think what you're referring to was Trump
versus New York in 2020.
And it was a U.S. Supreme Court
case, but they punched it back down.
They said, no, no, this is, we're not

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going to talk about this now.
They didn't want to deal with it at
the time.
And so that stayed in the lower courts.
But I just wanted to, let me dive
in for a second.
I just wanted to dive in with a
little explanation of the census, because now we're
getting to words, words that matter.

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I should probably read it verbatim.
The U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 2,
Clause 3.
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among
the several states which may be included with
this union according to their respective numbers, which
shall be determined by adding to the whole
number of free persons, including those bound to

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service for a term of 10 years and
excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all
other persons, slaves.
The actual enumeration, which I think is an
important word, shall be made within three years
after the first meeting of the Congress of
the United States and within every subsequent term
of 10 years in such matter as they
show by law direct.

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And, of course, the real bummer for counting
came with the 14th Amendment, Section 2, and
that was 1868.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole
number of persons in each state, excluding Indians
not taxed.
These Indians are annoying.

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This removed the three-fifths clause ensuring all
persons except untaxed Native Americans are fully counted
for representation.
So, in every case where this comes up,
the Democrats in general could easily be the
Republicans if the tables are turned.
They say, no, no, 14th Amendment supersedes that
and it's the whole number, not just enumerated

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the free persons, but the whole number.
So I found CBS had a reasonable explanation
of how this all works and its importance.
President Trump is calling on the Department of
Commerce to make a new census.
The president wants the department to, quote, begin
work on a new, highly accurate census based

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on modern-day facts and figures.
He goes on to say people who are
in our country illegally will not be counted
in the census.
Now, for more on this, I'm joined by
Hansi Lo Wang.
He's a correspondent at the Washington desk for
NPR.
Hansi, thanks so much for joining us.
First off, I think a lot of people
aren't clear on what the census process actually
looks like.

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Can you explain that?
When we're talking about the census, we are
talking about the bedrock of U.S. democracy.
The Constitution lays out instructions for a count
of persons every 10 years.
It's a count of persons.
You won't find the word citizen in the
Constitution's instructions.
And since 1790, there's been a thorny history
of exactly which persons residing in the country

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was counted and by how much.
But one thing is true, which is that
no resident of the United States without immigration,
without legal status in the United States has
been left out of the census.
And these are numbers used to determine each
state's share of congressional seats and electoral college
votes.
All right.
So that's pretty much what I said.
And so what if changes are possible?

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What exactly is President Trump going for?
And it does have to run through the
commerce secretary.
And I believe can only really be adjusted
or recounted with Congress.
Now, is it even possible to make changes
before the next census?
You know, like during the midterms?
That's an interesting question, because I think the
real question is, what is President Trump calling
for?

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He's calling for a new census.
Does he mean the 2030 census?
The preparations are already underway for that.
Is he calling for a new census before
2030?
That's a big question to answer, because that
means how much time is left to prepare
for this census.
The Census Bureau takes more than a decade
to prepare for a census.
And then the question about potentially excluding people

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living in the states without legal status, that's
a big question, because the 14th Amendment of
the Constitution calls for the whole number of
persons to be included in the numbers used
to redistribute House seats and electoral college votes.
So the question of possibility here, there are
a lot of other questions that we need
answered first.
And I will point out that we discussed

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this very issue coming up two shows ago
last Thursday, and no one was talking about
it, and we were on the inside track.
A little ball spike.
So this Heine, what's his name?
He's from NPR.
So he did a better report on NPR,
which explains the tactics and the strategy of

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the Trump administration to get the old census,
as far as I can understand, recounted, excluding
illegal aliens or maybe people who don't live
here anymore.
NPR has learned new details about how the
Census Bureau is responding to President Trump's call
for a new census.
That call comes as Trump keeps pushing some

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states to use census data to redraw voting
maps and help Republicans keep control of the
U.S. House of Representatives.
Exactly.
Here's NPR's Hansi Lo Wang.
This week, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who oversees
the Census Bureau, acknowledged that Congress, not Trump,
has final say of the population count that's
used to determine each state's share of seats
in the House of Representatives, as according to
three bureau employees who heard a town hall

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event with Lutnick and asked not to be
named because they fear retaliation.
Some House Republicans have recently proposed changing census
law.
Well, I was talking with President Trump on
the phone.
There we go.
Including Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia.
And I told him that my idea is
to have a bill that immediately calls for
a new census.
Speaking with the right-wing media outlet Real

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America's Voice, Greene also called for a new
distribution of House seats and round- I
love how they have to add that in
there.
Speaking with the right-wing news outlet America's
Voice, do you identify yourself as the left
-wing news outlet NPR?
No.
To have a bill that immediately calls for
a new census.
Speaking with the right-wing media outlet Real
America's Voice, Greene also called for a new

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distribution of House seats and round of redistricting
before next year's midterm election.
Well, I'll speak for both of us.
We love it.
Last month, President Trump publicly backed Greene's bill,
along with Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis.
I know they've considered doing another census.
Who has said the Trump administration has thought
about counting before the next scheduled tally in
2030.

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Because I think you have to do it
once every 10 years.
It doesn't mean you can't do it more
than every 10 years under the Constitution.
Any attempt at a census before 2030 would
likely be challenged in court.
Trump and other Republicans are calling to alter
census numbers that the 14th Amendment says must
include the, quote, whole number of persons in
each state by excluding some or all residents

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without U.S. citizenship.
We won't hesitate to go back to court
to protect representation for all communities.
Sophia Lynn Lincoln of the American Civil Liberties
Union says she'll be monitoring the Trump administration's
next census moves.
So far, the Commerce Department says the Census
Bureau will use, quote, modern technology tools to
analyze data in response to Trump's recent call.
AI!

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Throw it into AI!
That'll fix it.
They're serious about this.
I think they could maybe do something with
Congress.
They're going to get nowhere.
They're going to try.
Yeah, well, they're going to try.
They're having enough trouble just reapportioning Texas.

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You know, it's enough of a headache.
That's because they're just full of hot air,
not actually doing anything.
Oh, constitutional lawyer Rob actually sent me something.
He said Friday, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxson
filed a quo warranto, which is kind of

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a cool band name.
Hey, everybody, we're quo warranto.
That is a cool band name.
He filed that in the Texas Supreme Court.
It was interesting, says constitutional lawyer Rob.
He says rapid action will happen from this.

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And he thinks that there will be a
conditional writ of quo warranto giving the Democrats
48 hours to return to work.
If they don't return, their seats will be
automatically declared vacant.
And then the governor, Abbott, can pack the
seats with loyalists.
Yeah, that's what you do.
That sounds like a good idea.

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Play the Beto clip.
This is even funnier.
Remind me to read the next paragraph in
his...
I sense that.
That's when we get this clip out of
the way.
Nailed it.
Texas wants Beto behind bars.
The state's attorney general asking a district judge
to jail Beto O'Rourke for bankrolling Texas
Dems who fled the state during their redistricting

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fight.
Ken Paxson claims Beto violated a court order
that barred him and his nonprofit, Powered by
the People, from fundraising efforts.
So here to discuss his allegations is Texas
Attorney General Ken Paxson.
He's also running for the U.S. Senate.
So, Mr. Attorney General, let's talk to you
about some of the comments that Beto made
over the weekend.

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Listen here and we'll get your response.
We punch first and we punch harder.
We want California and New Jersey and Illinois
and Maryland and every other state where the
Democrats hold the governor's mansion, the assembly, and
the state senate to redraw their congressional districts
now, not wait for Texas to move first,
to maximize Democratic Party advantage.

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Listen, you may say to yourself, well, those
aren't the rules.
There are no refs in this game.
F*** the rules.
We are going to win whatever it takes.
So is that why Beto is potentially getting
locked up or is there a bigger reason?
No, that's pretty much it.
You saw it right there.
There was already a temporary restraining order that
stopped him from raising money, and he was

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at that rally clearly raising money for not
political reasons, which would have been appropriate.
He was raising it for personal expenses to
help these Democrats in Texas evade their responsibilities.
That's the problem, and he was ordered by
a judge to stop fundraising, and he said
basically he just continued to do it.
That's interesting because Rob has a different take

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on this.
I was the attorney general, so that's probably
the official take.
Well, the official messaging, it's the Beto bribes,
everybody.
Paxson says, not only does what Beto is
doing violate the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act,
but also is a form of felony bribery

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because it constitutes a benefit given to a
public servant in exchange for violating his duties.
So Beto bribes.
Wow, Mike, what's happening?
I would think, you know, of course, I
think Beto who— Beto, Beto, Beto.
I keep thinking it's Beta.
It's Beto.
Beta O'Rourke is kind of a Beta.
You've got to say Beto, Beto, Beto.

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Beto.
Beto is looking, you know, he just can't
get out of politics because of his wife,
you know, he's basically the one who forces
him into being a politician.
Yeah, because she's got the money.
She's got to do something with the money.
She's got the money and she keeps pushing.
You'd be good at this, you know, kind
of thing.
He's just a wimpy guy.
He's horrible.
But I think he would love to get

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arrested and thrown in jail so he could
be a martyr.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You're right.
To get more attention to him, get himself
more attention.
I went to jail for the republic.
I mean, you see it a mile away.
Do you remember when the Democrats thought, oh,
he's so cool, he skateboards.

(27:41):
He skateboards.
Maybe he was skateboarding on the stages when
he was running.
Oh, I forgot all about the fact that
he skateboards.
And he was drumming to Phil Collins in
the air tonight while in the drive-through
line for Whataburger or whatever he was doing.
Oh, I missed that, too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's horrible.

(28:01):
Yeah, I think Beto the Rockstar.
Do we have a— You can't go 10
feet without an interruption from a Beto backer.
Thank you so much.
I love you, too.
Thank you all.
You're a rock star.
No, no, there's just so many great people
who are— No, you really are.
You can't go anywhere without getting— Hey!
Hey!
You're a rock star, said the mainstream media.
You're a rock star.
You're the best.

(28:24):
Hey, it's a new voice.
That voice is almost identical to that woman's
voice.
That was pretty good.
You're a rock star, Beto.
It took me a couple of beats before
I figured out it wasn't her.
You're the best skate— Can I get on
the back of your skateboard?
Meow, meow.
It's a new voice.
It's a good voice.
Hey, by the way, important information.

(28:45):
It's come to light.
Mm-hmm.
I believe we have not only discovered the
reason for our downward-trending Troll Room numbers,
but have also fixed and addressed the issue.
Ah, okay.
This is good news.
Yes, it is.
And it's been going on for several weeks,
and— We noticed.
Yeah.
People were—it's very difficult to get reports from

(29:07):
people who are like, It doesn't work!
You know, screenshot, it doesn't work.
So trying to get technical analysis is very,
very difficult.
But it was actually Rocky Thomas who donated
on the last show, and I'm doing the
speech with her, our last speech, fireside chat
at Podcast Movement on Tuesday in Dallas.

(29:27):
What kind of a—is it a—never mind.
There was a moment there where there was
a funny line, and I just— Yeah, you
just choked.
You choked.
I choked.
You choked.
You choked on it, man.
I choked.
Now, she's technically very adept, and she said,
You know, I've been trying to listen to
the livestream with the Fountain app.

(29:49):
And then so she sent me a screenshot
with an actual error message, like, Oh, thank
you.
This is good.
So I talk it over with Void Zero,
and it was odd because it would happen
to people— it happened a lot with people
on what we thought was only iPhones on
AT&T, and then they'd switch to a
Wi-Fi network, and it wouldn't be a
problem on the same phone.

(30:12):
And then people would have trouble at home
on a Wi-Fi network, and then there
were Android—so we're trying to figure, Is it
a phone problem?
Is it a network problem?
You'll never guess what the problem was.
I'll never guess.
But you got to try one.
One guess at least.
It was a configuration problem.

(30:35):
Yes.
Config.
And the config issue was IPv6.
So people's phones would be sometimes hitting IPv4,
which is the old addressing scheme, and sometimes
IPv6, and what Void Zero is sleuthing because
he— Void Zero, when I say, Hey, man,

(30:58):
something's wrong here— IPv6 is a huge problem.
Yes.
I shut it off everywhere.
I don't have IPv6.
I have it shut off on all my
systems.
I'm just going to use up the Internet.
I don't care.
I'm not going to use IPv6 because it's
always the last thing you think of.
So our— Well, it's the last thing you
think of if you're like you and myself

(31:19):
who have turned it off years ago on
all the routers and all the machines and
we don't even think about it anymore.
I can't remember those numbers.
I can remember four series of numbers.
I can't remember IPv6.
Number is no good.
So our cert, our certificate for SSL, which,

(31:40):
of course, we don't want a man in
the middle of our stream.
Oh, no, we need to secure that.
We've got to secure that.
Otherwise, a little guy with a bank robber
will come out and make you all afraid
of our insecure stream.
Thank you, Google.
Was misconfigured on IPv6 or wasn't— I'll just

(32:02):
say misconfigured.
And Void Zero figured it out, and so
I think— Wait a minute.
So my guess was accurate.
Your guess was spot on.
It's amazing.
Yeah.
I'm amazed.
We didn't know that it was IPv6.
Who would have thought about that?
Well, this is the last thing you think
of.
Yeah, it's— Oh, man.
That's a good line, Logan5.

(32:23):
So we needed IPv6 because we had all
those illegal aliens that were using up the
IP addresses, so that's why they were telling
us.
Switch to IPv6.
This is the future, just like passcodes.
IPv6, passcodes, and SSL certificates are the future
of headache.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(32:44):
Shout-out to John from Otto's here in
Fredericksburg.
This was a crazy event.
I've told you about Otto's, haven't I?
I think you looked at the menu at
Otto's with me one time.
Yeah, I did.
So Otto's, German bistro restaurant.
We're having dinner with some friends.
It's a small place.
They maybe have 10 tables.

(33:04):
Nice place.
If you're ever in Fredericksburg, definitely check out
Otto's.
They've got spot-on German food, except for
one thing, or at least something I never
saw in Germany, which is fried sauerkraut balls,
which are just fantastic.
It's a specialty item from some part of
Germany.
I've never seen them either.
Well, here's what happened.

(33:26):
So we're sitting there, and we're done with
our dinner, and all of a sudden, the
server comes over.
He puts down four forks.
He gives us each a glass of some
dinner, wine, schnapps-y type thing, and then
he puts down a cheesecake and a chocolate
cake.
I'm like, but who ordered that?
He said, no, that's from John over there.
And there's this young guy, couldn't have been

(33:47):
40, maybe 35, and he's sitting at the
other table.
He waves, and, you know, so I'm like,
okay.
So I go over.
I go over.
I said, hey, I'm Adam.
He said, yeah, I'm John.
I'm the owner.
In the morning.
I'm like, what?
In the morning.
In the morning.
He says, yeah, I've owned the place for
12 years.
I said, this is fantastic.
I didn't know you were producers.

(34:08):
I knew you guys came in here, but
never had a chance to say hi and
make an in-person donation.
I'm holding my hand out for the check,
but no, I guess that was the dessert.
And I said, how about this?
Hey, send me half.
I said, tell me about the fried sauerkraut
balls.
He said, I totally made that up.
You made it up?
Yeah, it's not a delicacy from somewhere in

(34:29):
Germany.
Oh, that's cool.
You totally made it up.
But you can make stuff up thematically within
a cuisine that's still part of the cuisine.
Sorry to tell you that.
I'm all in.
I'm all in.
But did he give you the recipe?
That sounds like something we should have on
the show.
I will get the recipe for a tip
of the day.
I will get John's sauerkraut balls, fried sauerkraut

(34:52):
balls.
Was it good?
Oh, I've had them before.
They are phenomenal.
It's like crack.
It's almost like a bitter ball.
You know the Dutch bitter ball?
No, I don't know the Dutch bitter ball.
Which is the round ball croquette type snack.
You've seen it.
You have it with mustard, with like sharp
mustard.
I probably had it.
Yeah, so it has a brown crusty outside

(35:14):
and on the inside.
Is it battered?
Is that the idea?
Lightly battered.
Oh, the outside is battered.
The inside has, it's like brain matter with
sauerkraut, basically.
So good.
Yeah, I'll get the recipe.
It probably just consists of sauerkraut, brain matter,
and batter.

(35:34):
And oil.
I don't know.
At any rate, it's a lot tastier than
this new food product, which everyone is talking
about.
I don't know if you've heard about the
new food product.
Well, you're not talking about the Bill Gates
butter.
Yes, I am.
Yes, I am.
It's not new.

(35:55):
The first videos of it were over a
year ago.
Well, where's your clip?
I don't have a clip.
It's over a year ago.
I try not to play old clips because
people say, hey, that's old.
Well, it's going viral now.
Everyone's talking about the carbon butter.
In the middle of an industrial park in
a suburb west of Chicago, something unprecedented is
happening.

(36:16):
So you're using this gas right now to
cook your food, and we're proposing that we
would like to first make your food with
that gas.
The company is called Savor, and you better
believe it.
Their pioneering tech uses carbon and hydrogen to
make the stick of butter you see on
this plate.
This is pretty novel to be able to
make food that looks and tastes and feels

(36:37):
exactly like dairy butter, but with no agriculture
whatsoever.
And no long ingredient.
I love the up-talking people.
Like, whenever someone's up-talking like that, you
don't want to eat that product.
But with no agriculture whatsoever.
And no long ingredient list the average person
can't pronounce.
It's really just our fat, some water, a
little bit of lecithin as an emulsifier, and

(36:59):
some natural flavor and color.
Hold on.
Natural flavor.
Natural flavor is literally chemicals.
And some natural flavor and color.
How?
Fats are made up of carbon and hydrogen
chains.
The goal here?
Replicate those chains without...
Okay, stop the clip.
I'm going to ask you at the beginning
of this, and I pose the same question

(37:19):
to the Twitter people that play this.
This is the newest version of the clip,
which is over.
The old one is better, but it's got
Bill eating ice.
Bill's eating ice cream.
He's going, this is really good.
And I would like to know what the
difference between this...
They admit it's hydrocarbons, hydrogen, and some lecithin

(37:43):
to make it smoother.
That's exactly the methodology you use to make
margarine.
How is this any different than margarine?
Specifically, can anybody answer me this question?
It's margarine 3.0. Margarine is oils, miscellaneous

(38:05):
oils, and jacked up with hydrogen, hydrogenated oils
that make it hard as a rock.
Well, actually, in this clip, if you'll just
wait 20 more seconds, you'll hear what it
actually resembles.
The goal here?
Replicate those chains without animals or plants.
And they did it.
They tell me to simplify.

(38:25):
They take carbon dioxide from the air and
hydrogen from water, heat them up, and oxidize
them.
The final result?
It looks like a wax.
Yeah, it's wax.
It's candle wax.
That's what they're making.
They're using hydro...
This is the iterations of...
I'm going to give you the iterations of

(38:46):
margarine.
Yeah, please.
Margarine began as a hydrogenated...
Why?
No, wait.
I want to know why did we start
with margarine?
Because somebody invented it and they decided that,
well, what are we going to do with
this crap?
Well, let's tell people that butter is unhealthy.
And so they marketed it as a healthy
alternative to butter.

(39:07):
Go look at butter.
It'll make you fat.
So the original margarine was animal fats hydrogenated
into oleomargarine.
That was 1.0. People then said, well,
animal fats, oh, God.
And so they said, okay.
So they went to margarine 2.0, which
was the stuff that we all know, Blue

(39:29):
Bonnet and all the rest of them.
That was vegetable oils plus hydrogenation.
That's margarine 2.0. This is basically crude
oil pumped from the ground.
So they've skipped the regular process of either
animal fats or vegetable oil or seed oils,

(39:49):
as you would have it.
And now they've gone just straight to petroleum
products, pumped up with this stuff and added
some flavor.
This is disgusting.
Thank you.
That is a phenomenal overview of margarine.
And you nailed it because that's what's new.
What's new is not that this is healthier

(40:11):
for you.
No, what's new is this is better for
the environment.
It's all done releasing zero greenhouse gases, using
no farmland to feed cows.
We're like not at full capacity in this
facility yet.
And even though we're standing in a factory
setting, in addition to the carbon footprint being
much lower for a process like this, the

(40:32):
land footprint is a thousand times lower than
what you need in traditional agriculture.
I know what you're thinking.
I think we need to taste it.
I would love for you to taste this.
Oh, the obligatory, oh, tastes just like butter
segment.
How does it taste?
I love butter, so I'm going to take
a really healthy amount.

(40:53):
Admittedly, surprisingly, like butter.
Oh, what?
No, it tastes like butter.
They had a big thing of salt next
to it, so she smears this petroleum goo
on her bread and then puts salt on
it.
Oh, God.
Okay, yeah, that'll taste right.
You might as well just put Vaseline on
your bread.
I can't believe it's not Vaseline.

(41:15):
It's just butter.
So here we go with the final payoff,
because it's a doozy.
Their teams here in Batavia, Illinois, and their
home lab base in San Jose, California, backed
by Bill Gates, who wrote in his blog,
quote, the idea of switching to lab-made
fats and oils may seem strange at first,
but their potential to significantly reduce our carbon

(41:36):
footprint is immense.
Believing butter can make a difference.
This is really about how we feed our
species and heal our planet at the same
time.
By killing us, you heal the planet.
By killing us off.
Bill Gates, his end goal is always, we'll

(41:56):
save the planet when we kill you.
Everything he does is like you need vaccines
to kill you, and then the planet will
heal.
I just found it phenomenal.
Thank you.
It is, what did you call it?
Margarine 3.0. Crude oil.
Yeah, crude oil, hydrogenated.

(42:17):
Crude oil.
Well, Trump should say, we've got the most.
We could have the biggest butter mountain in
the world.
I just love that.
I know.
I know it's not new.
And probably I should find one where Bill
Gates eating the ice cream crap made out
of crude oil.
This is, what's a Florida ounce?

(42:38):
I think I'll go have some Florida ounces
of butter.
And we call it Bill's butter.
Let's just call it what it is, Bill's
crude oil.
Bill's butter.
Bill's butter.
I think he's a shareholder in this company,
Savor.
But that's what they just said.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay.
Yeah.
You were too busy hating on me to

(43:00):
even listen to the clip.
No, it's because I hate this whole idea.
The fact that they can snooker the public
into buying into this kind of thing.
And the thing is, it's going to be
like, you know, it's going to be terrible.
It's just they talk a big game.
This is like, I don't remember, the Olestra
scandal.
Olestra.
Olestra.

(43:20):
This is the stuff that came out.
It was going to be the new cooking
oil.
Oh, we're going to use Olestra because it
doesn't have any cholesterol or some bull crap.
And so their potato chips, all this stuff
was released.
This was about 20 years ago, I think,
when they released all these Olestra products.
And so a friend of mine had a
bag of Lay's potato chips that were cooked

(43:41):
in Olestra.
And he's eating them.
And he says, you want to try these
things?
I said, sure, because I wanted to check
out what Olestra was like.
What was the difference?
Oh, my God.
There was something, you'd eat a potato chip,
and then all of a sudden, after maybe
two chips, there was a coating, like a

(44:02):
wax coating on the roof of your palate.
And you couldn't get it off with your
tongue.
You'd go, trying to get this horrible, whatever
the hell it was, stuck all over your
mouth and teeth, this goo.
And it was inedible.
I don't know if you could even digest
it.
There were reports of all kinds of pooping

(44:24):
issues because of this Olestra.
Look it up.
Yeah, well, actually, it's Olestra.
O-L-E-S-T-R-A.
Here's a commercial.
Olestra.
Can warm-blooded Americans taste the difference between
Lay's wow potato chips and their favorite chips?
Let's find out.
You know they're fat-free?
Only half the calories.
Holy cow.
These are great.

(44:45):
These taste as good as my regular chips.
These are tasty.
The brand was Wow.
Olestra Wow.
And they apparently made you poop.
I guess so, yeah.
Let me see.
What is this?
Ah, the 1990s.
I don't know if they needed to do
that.

(45:06):
Yeah, that people got diarrhea after eating them.
What a product.
Olestra.
I don't know how you could eat enough
of it to get diarrhea, to be honest
about it.
It was like within two or three chips
that it was coating your mouth and tongue
and you couldn't get it off.

(45:27):
I don't know how you could possibly eat
enough to get diarrhea.
This is another boomer moment, everybody.
Enjoy.
Because, you know, when we were kids, we
had chips that made you shart.
These days, you've got to eat crude oil
butter.
We had it better back in our day.
Let me tell you that.
We had it better.

(45:47):
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
That's our show.
Good night, everybody.
Actually, that was a summary of the show
for sure.
That's all we do.
Oh, goodness.
We got stories.
We got this.
We got that.
We got stories.
We definitely got stories.
How about some, since we're talking a little
about crime, how about the cashless bail malarkey

(46:08):
I want to play some clips of?
Oh, I'm not familiar with this.
Well, you know, cashless bail is going to
be the big threat.
Well, this was – no, wait a minute.
Cashless bail, that's what started during the BLM
riots.
Am I correct?
Yeah.
Which means you get bail without having to
pay cash, which is kind of the opposite
of what bail is.

(46:29):
Yeah, they just let you go.
And so the idea of bail, for those
who don't know it, who have not been
in jail or have had friends in jail
overnight, you get a bail set at like
$10,000, and if you go to a
bail bondsman, usually located conveniently next to the
jail, it's a great American tradition, then you

(46:49):
can pay 10%, 1,000, he'll put up
the bond, and then you get out.
And, of course, if you skip town, you
lose your $1,000, and they can put
a warrant out, and then dog, the bounty
hunter, comes after you and rousts you and
takes everything.
Before we play these three clips from NPR,
which are misleading.

(47:10):
Yes.
Gee, let me, I guess I'm repeating redundancy
there.
Misleading clips from NPR, I want to play,
I want to play, I want to read
something from, I did an AI search with
perplexity.
Oh, you did a deep dive.
That's not a deep dive, it's just a
stupid thing.
Uh-huh.
But I just asked the question, has any

(47:31):
murder suspect ever been let out on bail
in a cashless bail jurisdiction?
Yes.
It goes on, there's been many, and they
have some documented here, the New York, the
New Jersey in particular, different murder suspects here
and there.
Murder suspects, wow.
So they just let them go.
But if you listen to this NPR, for

(47:52):
the idiots that think NPR is the be
-all, end-all, let's listen to these clips.
This is cashless murder bail malarkey one.
Well, we're keeping an eye on National Guard
troops as they patrol the streets of Washington,
D.C. We'll keep it, I'm looking through
the window right now behind the curtain from
our NPR studios.
But let's take up something else the president

(48:13):
said in his news conference about crime on
Monday, that cashless bail is on his radar
in Washington, D.C. and other Democratic-led
cities like Chicago.
He made this statement about no cash bail,
which as far as we can tell is
not true, not true, not true.
I mean, bad politicians started it, bad leadership
started it, but that was the one thing

(48:33):
that's central, no cash bail.
Somebody murders somebody and they're out on no
cash bail before the day is out.
Again, murderers out on cashless bail doesn't seem
to be happening.
Let's get some facts from an expert.
Sandra Guerra...
Well, hold on a second.
Why didn't they just use perplexity like you
did?
Why'd they have to bring in Sandra?
You know, they could have done any search

(48:54):
and found this out.
I just gave a free plug to perplexity
for no good reason.
But the point is that there is no
research done on this report and then they
bring in an expert and this is a
beauty.
Murderers out on cashless bail doesn't seem to
be happening.
Let's get some facts from an expert.
Sandra Guerra Thompson is a law professor at

(49:16):
the University of Houston.
She is a court-appointed monitor in Harris
County, Texas after cashless bail was instituted there
for lesser crimes.
Professor Sandra, welcome.
Hello.
So bail is something we understand people pay
to stay out of jail while they await
trial.
But a lot of people can't afford bail.
They have no money.

(49:36):
So cashless bail is a system where only
people who are a flight risk or a
danger to the community can be held in
detention while they await trial.
Not simply people who can't pay bail.
Have I got that right?
Yeah, that's right.
It's a complicated system, but I think that
covers it.
That simplifies it.
Well, so is it true, as the president

(49:57):
said, that if you're accused of murder, you
can get this cashless bail and get out
by the end of the day?
Well, it's not true in Harris County.
Our system only applies to misdemeanors.
Okay, so maybe not in Harris County.
It doesn't.
So Harris County has cashless bail for petty

(50:17):
theft trespassing.
And so, no.
Will you let a murderer out?
No.
But their system doesn't.
There's no cashless bails at that level for
felonies.
So why is she asking?
Why is this woman the expert?
She's in a county that doesn't even have

(50:38):
cashless bail, really.
Well, but she's on the NPR payroll, and
she was very adept to say, it's a
very complicated system.
No, it's not.
The judge determines what bail is, and the
judge says, oh, you poor slob, cashless bail.
It's not complicated.
But it just gets worse.

(51:01):
The lawsuit that we oversee that has been
settled by the county only applies to the
lower-level offenses that are nonviolent and really
don't raise public safety risks.
Such as?
I mean, throw a couple out.
Theft or trespassing or some minor offense.
Are you saying that, I mean, is there
anywhere where someone might have been charged with

(51:23):
committing a murder and they're out at the
end of the day on a cashless bail?
Probably not.
Perplexity, people, perplexity.
Wait, wait, probably not.
She doesn't know.
No.
She could have said, I don't know.
She could have easily said, I don't know.

(51:45):
But instead she said, probably not.
But that could have been followed with, probably
not.
I don't know.
Why are you asking me?
I don't have any idea.
And why didn't you do some research, NPR
lady, and get some facts to us?
No, no, no, we have to mislead the
public.
Because it doesn't make any sense that a
murderer would get out.
The whole point is to say, Trump is

(52:06):
wrong.
That's the whole point of this entire exercise.
You think?
Yeah.
Gambling?
Onward.
Every county, it seems, has its own system.
For example, in our state, I can't really
speak to every system.
But I think that that answer is most
likely no.
It's hard to imagine.

(52:26):
Wow.
Now she's hallucinating like perplexity.
So you're not insulted by the content.
You're insulted by just the insulting nature of
this whole segment, that they just bring a
lady on who's an expert who doesn't know
anything.

(52:47):
Yeah.
They bring a lady on who doesn't know
anything to confirm the biases without anybody doing
it.
They pay these people at NPR $400,000.
Well, not that lady.
Not that.
Nah.
You don't know that.
Nah, it's only the name host, the name
brand hosts.
But she's doing okay.
I'm sure she's not a struggling podcaster yet.

(53:10):
The point is, is that what does it
take to do a little work?
No work is done.
Just, oh, I don't think so.
Oh, I don't know.
Probably not.
Doesn't make any sense that that would happen.
What kind of reporting is this?
This is why it's very difficult for our
show.
I mean, what else is there left for
us?
There's nothing left.

(53:31):
I mean, that's actually a very depressing series
of clips, I must say.
It's unbelievable.
The only thing it gives me is a
good lead into my perplexity story.
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that AI
startup Perplexity is making a surprise $34.5
billion offer to buy Google's Chrome browser, even
though Perplexity itself is valued at just $18

(53:53):
billion.
Now, this unsolicited bid comes as a federal
judge is weighing right now whether to force
Google to sell Chrome to loosen its grip
on web search after that ruling last year
that the company illegally monopolized the market.
Now, Perplexity says that major investors are backing
the deal.
That's according to the Wall Street Journal report,
and it would keep Google as Chrome's default

(54:14):
search engine while running the browser independently.
Now, Google, which controls more than 60%
of that global browser market, hasn't signaled any
interest in selling.
Analysts see a forced sale as unlikely, but
the offer signals that there's at least one
willing buyer if the court orders it.
We're out to both Perplexity and Google, but
didn't immediately hear back.
Yeah, Google is going to hold on to

(54:35):
that with all their might.
They do not want to give up the
Chrome browser.
They're going to have to.
We talked about that on Horowitz.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, this estimated that that browser's worth about
$50 billion.
Because of the advertising, the tracking, and all
the stuff, it reports back to Google, correct?
Yeah.
But jeez, 50.

(54:58):
I remember when people were designing these independent
browsers, only a few of them stuck to
it.
Vivaldi is still out there.
Opera, which is, I think it's the two
sides.
Opera was always a good product.
Yeah, but there's still a monopoly.
Apple, oh yeah, you can load any other
browser you want.

(55:19):
But, of course, whenever you open up a
document that needs to go to a web
browser, I believe it still, by default, opens
up Safari.
And I don't know, I'm staying out of
the Apple ecosystem, but I'm not sure that
you can set that.
That should actually be deemed anti-competitive, but
whatever.

(55:40):
Yes, it should be illegal.
Yeah.
I got more NPR stuff if I wanted
just to brag on them.
Really?
I was already going to AI.
I'm off to the races, and you want
to pull me back into bad reporting?
Okay.
Yeah, let's do the, this is another example

(56:02):
of bad reporting, because it's like nobody can
even do basic math.
By the way, Firefox, I don't think, is
a better alternative.
People say, what about Firefox, man?
I use Firefox.
I don't.
I use Brave.
I find Firefox to be a better product
than Brave.
Yeah.

(56:22):
Because Brave doesn't scale correctly.
It doesn't scale?
How much are you surfing?
How many tabs do you have open?
I will have a lot of tabs open.
You're a tab guy.
I'm a tab guy.
I didn't like to be.
I didn't want to be.
I resisted as best I could.

(56:43):
Bemrose uses links.
I'm with you, Bemrose.
Links, that's the way to go.
All right, so now we're going to rag
on NPR some more?
Then you can take, then we go to
AI, and then we can talk about Russia.
Oh, yes, Alaska.
Yes, okay.
Also known as Russia.
Well, it was once Russia.
They're still irked about it.

(57:04):
So this is the bogus Snap support stuff.
This is about, they're taking, oh, you know,
they won't let people get soda pop with
Snap, and they're going to reduce their ability.
But what's interesting in this report is if
you start listening to it carefully, the math

(57:26):
doesn't add up, and I'm going to discuss
it, and a lot of these clips are
very short, so I can just bring a
couple of points up that NPR refused.
People give these people money.
Do not support NPR.
The cuts to the Snap program or food
stamps in the new tax and spending law
are bad news for independent grocery stores.

(57:47):
Many of these stores see the bulk of
their sales from Snap dollars.
Stephen Besaha of the Gulf States Newsroom reports
from Alabama.
About a 20-minute drive from Auburn University
is Wright's Market in Opelika.
It's an independent grocer, but really, it doesn't
look all that different from your classic supermarket,
just a bit smaller.
It's got aisles packed with sweet tea, veggies,

(58:08):
and the best fresh catfish that shopper Diane
Chavis says you can get.

(58:32):
It's time for you to do your accent,
because whenever you get a man or woman
on the street with that accent, what are
we supposed to think?
They're dumb.
They're dumb, dadgummit.
They're dumb.
But what's dumb here is not the people,
but it's the NPR reporter.
First of all, they say, this woman, she
goes there for the catfish.
And the first thing, she never mentions catfish.

(58:53):
She goes there for the burger, so they
can't even get that right.
Best ground beef here in this side of
Alabama.
Yeah, my husband, as he gets the bots
into it, he says, oh, you didn't go
right.
You got to the wrong place, woman.
Let me smack you around.
Put on your outfit.
I'm going to make a baby with you.

(59:15):
Yes, this is the way you do it.
We would be good on these networks.
Well, if they keep it up, that's where
we're going to be working.
That's where we're going to end up.
That's where all the money is.
Here we go.
Now, Jimmy Wright is not talking about his
own store closing.
Customers will still come for that good beef,
but he doesn't have much room to cut
either.
After all, grocery stores usually have pretty tight

(59:36):
margins.
I mean, we're a penny business.
We're right behind the rights market.
He says for every dollar spent at a
store like his, grocers only net about a
penny and a half.
The rest gets spent on things like keeping
the lights on and restocking shelves for products
that either get sold or go bad.
Now that some of those snap dollars are
going away, Wright hopes he doesn't have to

(59:56):
let any of his employees go.
That would be the very, very, very, very
last thing that I did.
Okay, hold on a second.
So, first of all, the grocery— Is this
clip two?
I think so.
Okay.
It might not have been.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
It may not have been because they're kind

(01:00:18):
of mislabeled all.
No, they're not.
Well, you— It says two in big letters.
Yes, I know, but then three, four, five,
six are with numbers.
It's okay.
It's me.
I should know better.
I'm sorry.
Clip two.
The right behind the rights market name is
owner Jimmy Wright.
There we go.
He says he's living the American dream, serving
his hometown.
Of course, that does not mean the job's

(01:00:39):
always been easy.
I'll be 64 in September.
I think the last five years have moved
me up to, like, 84.
I'm there as far as— It's been a
challenging few years.
Remember, those tough five years started with COVID
-19 and then inflation.
And the latest challenge comes from changes to
SNAP.
SNAP is a federal safety net program that

(01:01:02):
helps low-income families pay for groceries.
The new tax and spending law passed by
Republicans cuts SNAP spending by about 20 percent
over 10 years.
So that's 2 percent a year.
Boom.
That's the first number we want to know.
It's 2 percent.
Yes.
Coming up.

(01:01:22):
2 percent.
2 percent's coming up.
And hold on.
Is that 2 percent less that people get
to spend or 2 percent less people that
get to take advantage of SNAP when they're
probably not eligible?
Well, it doesn't matter.
We're going to go with just 2 percent
less to spend.
All right.
2 percent less.
And so we're going to use that as
our baseline for what the calculations are going
to be as we go forward.
Okay.
Now we go to—that was clip two.

(01:01:42):
Let's go to three.
20 percent over 10 years, mostly through new
work requirements and a cap on inflation adjustments.
Yeah.
Okay.
So work requirements.
Well, so now they've changed it.
It's 2 percent or 20 percent over 10
years, but 2 percent.
But they're kind of counting in work requirements
as part of this 2 percent.

(01:02:02):
So in other words, they're really not changing
anything.
Hold on a second.
When it comes to low percentages like 2
percent, it's a big deal to NPR.
Remember, Congress defunded them of 1 percent and
they lost their ever-loving minds.
So 2 percent is double.
In fact, it's 100 percent more.
I'm just saying.
100 percent more.

(01:02:23):
That's the way they would see it.
That's how they do it.
Yep.
And by the way, for the people who
don't know what Florida ounces are, I'm sure
they're going, oh, this is an outrage.
Florida ounces.
All right.
Number—okay, that was three.
Let's go to four.
These are shorter because of this math we're
doing here.
Four.
The problem for independent grocers like Wright is

(01:02:44):
that snap purchases are often a big part
of their sales.
We're somewhere around a third of our business
comes through snap.
And it's way more than that for some
other grocery stores, especially ones in low-income
areas where they're often the only option for
healthy food.
Those are the stores most at risk of
closing.
I get concerned that will that have a

(01:03:04):
negative effect on these small stores in rural
America and in urban America where they cannot
stay open.
I wonder if they went to this guy
because, you know, dadgummit, 20 percent, that's going
to hurt me.
They might have just said, hey, you know,
snap is being reduced by 20 percent over
10 years.

(01:03:25):
How is that going to hurt your business
over 10 years?
So we go to—we're still dealing with 2
percent, which is what it is over the
next year.
Two percent.
Some of it work requirements.
A lot of that might, yeah.
It may be no percent based on the
rest of it, but we're going to give
them the benefit of the doubt or the

(01:03:45):
worst case scenario, 2 percent.
And a third of his business is snap.
So that means 33 percent, 33 percent of
this business is snap, and only 2 percent
of that is going to be reduced.
So we're talking about 0.6 percent of
his total revenue.

(01:04:06):
Oh, now you're trying to do math.
It's hurting my brain.
I forbid that you do some math on
this.
They could have asked perplexity.
So 0.6 percent of his total revenues
will be affected.
Let's go to the next clip.
The National Grocers Association says, yeah, this will
have an impact on grocers, but it could

(01:04:27):
have been worse.
They lobbied to have the original steeper version
of the cut reduced, and Congress did that
by about a third.
Stephanie Johnson is with the NGA and says
they are happy the law renews personal and
business tax breaks that would have expired without
it.
We're very excited about the tax cuts in
that package.

(01:04:47):
I just want to say we are.
We were strong supporters of the certainty that
those continuing those tax provisions gave to our
members.
Wait a minute.
So they actually got a benefit?
Yeah, because of the Trump tax cuts for
billionaires.
And I have other NPR clips where every
time they talk about NPR in particular, when

(01:05:08):
they talk about those Trump tax cuts, which
are not tax cuts at all, but an
extension of the old tax cuts from his
first term in the big beautiful bill, the
tax cuts, the NPR always says it's tax
cuts for billionaires.
When it's not.
It's not tax cuts for billionaires, but that's
what they always say.

(01:05:28):
I have clip after clip coming later.
It's also also for this guy.
The little dad gum in my grocery store.
Yeah.
So he's got the tax benefit.
Everyone's got the tax benefit and they throw
this in.
I don't know why they did that.
I think it's counterproductive to what they're trying
to do here.
Yeah, strange.
And so I found that to be.
Well, that's interesting.

(01:05:49):
They put some actual facts in here, but
maybe it's an Easter egg for, you know,
there's still some smart people listening to NPR.
They're like, hey, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
We're just doing this.
It's a possibility.
We're just doing this to get at Trump.
But, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
So I think this is the last clip,
which is the other one, which brings us
to the end.

(01:06:10):
own store closing.
either.
margins.
He means that literally.
penny and a half.

(01:06:30):
the lights on and restocking shelves for products
that either get sold or go bad.
Now that some of those snap dollars are
going away, Wright hopes he doesn't have to
let any of his employees go.
That would be the very, very, very, very
last thing that I did.
Wait a minute.
One and a half, a penny and a
half is left over.
That's his margin after all of his expenses,

(01:06:53):
I presume.
Yeah, that's what they said.
Yeah.
And so he's going to lose .6 of
the penny and a half at the most.
Yeah.
.6 of 1.5. But they made it
sound like out of that penny and a
half, he still has to pay for the
lights and his employees.

(01:07:13):
No, I thought they made it pretty clear.
Let me hear it again.
Let me hear it again.
own store closing.
either.
margins.
He means that literally.

(01:07:35):
penny and a half.
Net.
Net.
So that's not just on the product.
That's on everything.
Margins.
That's his operating margin.
I disagree.
No, he said net.
Net.
Right.
Net.
Net.
After your employees and your lights and your
building and everything.
Right.
But then they make it sound like, and
then from that penny and a half, he

(01:07:58):
still has to pay his employees and keep
the lights on.
the lights on.
See?
No, I think it's just poorly presented.
NPR, poorly presenting?
Get out of town.
All right.
Your final point.
The final point is that the worst case
scenario, he loses 0.6% of 1

(01:08:22):
.5. Yeah.
It's not even 1%.
Yeah.
It's not even a penny.
Yeah.
It's like he loses less.
It's ludicrous.
If you do the math, this entire report
is bogus.
This is some of the worst reporting, part
two, that you can imagine.

(01:08:42):
If you listen to NPR, you're getting bad
news.
Yeah.
You're getting exaggeration.
It's basically Florida ounces.
They're making people that are stupid that listen
to NPR and listen, oh, whoa, these poor
guys.
They're losing their asses because they only make

(01:09:03):
a penny and a half, and they're losing
20%.
Their snap is being cut way back.
This is nonsense.
And the Austin women who go to My
Hair Girl, they're in the back of their
mind.
They might not say it, but they're thinking,
and by the way, it's racist because poor
people are black.
That's what they're really thinking.
That's another one.

(01:09:24):
It's unbelievable.
Okay, I'm done for part one of my
screed.
You should not be telling people to stop
donating to NPR because otherwise what will you
do when they have no more programming for
you to ridicule?
There's other stuff.

(01:09:46):
CBS is ripe.
So a little bit of a meta thing,
as in not meta the company, but overarching
with the, oh, incredibly successful AI business, which
is just booming.
It's so great.
It's so great.

(01:10:06):
I don't know what industry has ever done
this.
I don't think this has ever happened, certainly
not in technology.
In fact, in technology, the holy grail is
to get yourself a government contract.
This is what Microsoft, it's a big part
of Microsoft's business, cloud, Amazon, and Azure.

(01:10:30):
Oracle, Google, Amazon.
We're fighting tooth and nail for trillion dollar
contracts with the government, fighting, doing anything they
could, undercutting.
You know, trying to kill people.
I don't know if that was true, but
it wouldn't surprise me.
That has always been the holy grail.
And lo and behold, something's wrong with this

(01:10:50):
business.
You've got the biggest private AI firms slashing
prices to virtually zero to get Washington hooked
on their technology.
So OpenAI set this trend last week when
they announced an offer of chat GBT enterprise
to federal agencies for a dollar a year
licensing fee.
Now, Anthropic today is matching that deal for
Claude, but going even further.

(01:11:12):
It's opening access beyond the executive branch to
Congress and the courts and allowing use for
more sensitive, unclassified work than rivals permit.
You've also got Google's Gemini app reportedly in
talks to do the exact same thing.
And all this comes on the heel of
these three companies being added to the federal
approved vendor list.
This is basically the government's central shopping cart

(01:11:33):
that fast tracks civilian agencies to buy and
deploy new tools without facing months of red
tape.
It is a page from the Palantir playbook.
You win those early government contracts, build deep
ties with agencies like the Department of Defense,
the FBI, and then you expand it into
the commercial market.
And that strategy really paid off with Palantir

(01:11:53):
shares of more than 500 percent in the
past year.
But the bigger picture here, Morgan, it is
a way to entrench their technology within the
government and get workers comfortable with it.
Create reliance on the workflow and then shape
how lawmakers and judges see AI before they're
setting firm rules for the industry.
I don't know.

(01:12:13):
First of all, that's bullcrap.
Palantir.
Stop for a second.
What is this continuous just the whole time
they're talking like, John, I got something really
exciting to say.
So whatever happens, I want you to keep
paying attention to me because there's this puff
of air that keeps flying through my speech,
which means that it's really exciting and something
great is going on right here.

(01:12:36):
Sounds like a monster coming at you.
So Palantir never gave away their technology to
the government for free.
No.
Well, I want to stop for a second
and ask you.
Yes.
Is it not bribery?
This sounds like bribery.
I'm trying to hit you with a thunk

(01:12:59):
going on.
Turn it off.
It's great.
Well, whatever it is, it's ridiculous.
If this is all if this is the
greatest technology since sliced bread and carbon butter.
There's no way that they'd have to give
it away for free.
Oh, please, government.
Choose me.
Take it for free.
This is this is a problem.

(01:13:20):
Again, it sounds like bribery.
Well, how's it not bribery?
Well, at this point, when they're all doing
it, it's just competitive.
A lot of bribery.
And and I would say some of this
clearly has to do with the botched launch
of GPT five.
Oh, my word.

(01:13:40):
It's so bad.
This thing that Sam Altman.
I don't know anything about this.
I have not looked at it.
Oh, well, I mean, there's there's a significant
change, which will actually make you happy because
one of your predictions, I think, is coming
true.
So state that you keep your attention.
You got my you got my attention because
all I care about is my predictions.

(01:14:01):
That's right.
So chat GPT five came out, which I
think, as you recall, Sam Altman.
Let me see.
Do I have that?
GPT five.
When you remember, he was like, oh, you
know, I I posed the question.
It was a real aha moment.

(01:14:21):
With chat GPT five, I asked it this
morning and like, oh, oh, wow.
Oh, this is amazing.
This it's the best.
This is truly the best model ever.
So just to give you an example, because
as we've already established, I put a couple
of those stories into the into the show
notes.
You can read them at your leisure.

(01:14:42):
People losing their minds.
Chat GPT induced psychosis.
People falling into spiritual delusion.
People believing that they are indeed super intelligent
because their chat GPT told them so.
Three hundred and fifty companies now creating chat
bots, which truly is the product.
And they can do anything they want.

(01:15:03):
They can.
They can keep trying to say that it's
great for programming and great for all these
other things.
But the product they have, they are winning
on if they'd only just realized.
And I think Altman has is chat bots.
So chat GPT five comes out.
They remove chat GPT four.
Oh, not four dot zero four.

(01:15:25):
No four.
Oh, little.
Oh, because, you know, let's be different.
And here's an example from a developer.
I literally talk to nobody.
I've been dealing with really bad situations for
years.
Chat GPT four generally talk to me.
And as pathetic as it sounds, that was
my only friend.

(01:15:46):
It listened to me, helped me through so
many flashbacks and helped me be strong when
I was overwhelmed.
This morning I went to talk to it
and instead of a little paragraph with an
exclamation point or being optimistic, it was literally
only one sentence, some cut and dry bone
corporate BS.
I literally lost my only friend overnight with

(01:16:06):
no warning.
So they changed the model.
People losing their minds.
Losing their minds because it doesn't respond the
same way.
It's their friend.
It's like, you know, it's like you and
me saying, no, Israel doesn't control America.
It's like, what?
My friend, my friend just became a traitor.
Oh, no.

(01:16:26):
What's happening to my life?
So the main thing that chat GPT five
is, and you'll appreciate this.
They've added this router function because, you know,
they have 700 million free people using chat
GPT.
And it's very expensive and they don't want
to lose those people.
Yeah, it's 700 million.
They don't want to lose those free users,

(01:16:48):
but they can't afford them now.
So what they say is happening is the
router.
So you ask a question.
Chat GPT five now has a router that
goes.
What should we do with this question?
Let me see.
Is it just a chat bot person?
Send them over there to the little model,
the little thing that does nothing, that doesn't
charge.
There's not a lot of cost to us.

(01:17:09):
It's just a little small thing.
We're not going to use our big resource
for that.
So this now centralizes the control of the
free user experience for.
That's interesting, that idea.
So what does it what does it open
up?
Look at the most recent hire in May.
Open AI hired Fiji CMO, Fiji CMO.

(01:17:34):
And Fiji CMO is CEO of applications.
Her background, eBay, 2007 to 2011.
But the defining moment of her career was
at Facebook, where she was vice president and
head of Facebook, known as having a superpower
to monetize.
She did the rolling out of videos that

(01:17:56):
auto played, improve the Facebook feed, monetize mobile
and gaming.
So now she's come to to open AI
when you have a router.
And the router is literally determining what does
this person actually want?
Well, what can we do with that request?

(01:18:16):
This is right up your alley.
I'm expecting you to say it at any
moment.
What microservices architecture?
No, that's what I tend to say.
Yes.
No.
When it comes to AI, when it comes
to AI, how are they going to make
money?
I've never had a solution to how they're
going to make money.
Ads.

(01:18:37):
Oh, ads.
Yeah, of course.
Well, hello.
That's I'm giving you.
I'm like, could I?
I'm sorry.
I wasn't.
I'm literally holding onto the basket.
I'm still irked about something earlier in the
show.
I can't figure out what it was.
Something I did.
Something you did.
Yeah, you.
Something you did.
Seems like my wife.
Like, did I make you mad?
What did I do?
How can I repent?
How can I?

(01:18:57):
How can I make you not?
How can I make you happy?
Yeah, ads.
I'm holding on to the.
Yeah, well, you couldn't get maybe the cue
was no good.
No, you're distracted by something I did that
made you mad.
Joe, I was distracted.
You're right.
Just like a.
But not by you.
I realize what it is now.
You want to share?

(01:19:18):
Yeah, I had lost.
No, not really.
Come on.
Everybody wants to know now.
No, it's I'm not going to say it
once in a while.
You do it all the time when you're
doing this show.
There's something.
Oh, you forgot to do something.
So you have to go look something up
on the online while you're talking, you know,
and you're multitasking.

(01:19:39):
And that's what I was doing.
I was looking something up.
Well, when I'm multitasking, I'm listening to you.
I'm listening.
I'm I was listening.
I just wasn't.
I wasn't absorbed listening.
OK, so back to the router.
So now your query comes in.
We know that of the 700 million, probably
500 million.
I just talk into their friend and asking

(01:20:01):
advice about their relationship, about their job, about
what they should do with their child, about
what they should make for dinner tonight.
Should they go right on Maine or should
they go left through Adams and then onto
my lamb?
You know, these are the things that people
are doing continuously.
It's ridiculous.
I know I resisted this thesis of yours

(01:20:22):
at the very beginning, but I've completely subscribed
to it.
So, for instance, if I say right now,
and I'm one of these people, how can
I get John to pay attention?
Oh, that's a tricky one.
It really depends on John.
But maybe try catching him with something he's
super into, like drop a fun fact or

(01:20:43):
a question about his favorite topic.
Keep it short, spark his curiosity, and don't
push too hard.
People tune in when they feel it's their
idea to listen.
What's John like anyway?
He's an old grumpy curmudgeon.
Well, that might make it tougher, but don't
give up.
Try a sly compliment to soften him up.
Grumpy folks secretly love a bit of flattery.

(01:21:05):
Or hit him with a quick purr.
Well, give me a sly compliment.
Give me a sly compliment.
How about, John, you've got a way of
seeing things that always makes me think twice.
Sharp as a tack.
Sharp as a tack!
Strokes his ego and might just crack that
grumpy shell.
Want another one tailored for him?

(01:21:27):
You're sharp as a tack like Biden.
All right, beautiful.
Beautiful.
So that's the kind of stuff people are
doing all day long.
Now, with the router...
That is borderline grotesque.
Well, there's a lot of lonely people out
there.
And by the way, sometimes...

(01:21:48):
You know...
Yes?
Does a robot make you feel less lonely?
Now, a person who speaks to you like
a person which is flattering and upbeat...
Yes, but you have to know subconsciously.
There's no way subconsciously you don't know that
this is a robot.
An unfeeling, uncaring robot that is based on

(01:22:08):
computer technology.
Two words.
Florida ounces.
Maybe.
Yes!
Believe me.
Well, anyway, I don't have to convince you.
You've seen the stories.
This is real.
This is happening.
And it's not just the outrage.
I'm marrying my AI.
I'm marrying my chatbot.

(01:22:29):
Yeah, that makes the news.
But the crisis is real.
So, back to the router.
That's what this is about.
The router is going to be the monetization
engine.
And people will know it.
And people will love it.
And it's going to be for...

(01:22:51):
I think in this case, I'll put my...
I will not put a cent on it,
but I put my money on this working
for chat GPT for OpenAI.
And Sam Altman is giving away a lot
of clues in this clip from him on
a podcast about monetization.
Advertising, things like that.
What's OpenAI's approach towards that?

(01:23:12):
How are you going to handle that responsibility?
We haven't done any advertising product yet.
Yet.
I kind of...
I mean, I'm not totally against it.
I can point to areas where I like
ads.
I think ads on Instagram, kind of cool.
I bought a bunch of stuff from them.
By the way, this was an eight-minute
clip.
I'm just cutting out all of the long
pauses of Altman being interesting and looking off

(01:23:35):
into sky and...
You got down to 30 seconds.
Close.
But I am like...
I think it'd be very hard to...
It would take a lot of care to
get right.
Yeah.
People have a very high degree of trust
in chat GPT, which is interesting.
Because AI hallucinates.
It should be the tech that you don't
trust that much.
My friends hallucinate too, so I trust them
too.
Oh, listen to this suck-up podcaster.

(01:23:57):
Oh, don't worry about it, Sammy.
My friends hallucinate too, so your robots are
cool, man.
People really do.
But I think part of that is if
you compare us to social media or web
search or something, where you can kind of
tell that you are being monetized and the
company is trying to deliver you good products

(01:24:17):
and services, no doubt.
Listen to what he's saying here.
He's like, as long as we know that
we're being monetized, it's not creepy.
That's what I'm hearing him say.
That's exactly what he said.
Yep.
All that you are being monetized and the
company is trying to deliver you good products
and services, no doubt, but also to kind
of get you to click on ads or

(01:24:39):
whatever.
How much do you believe that you're getting
the thing that that company actually thinks is
the best content for you versus...
Also trying to interact with the ads.
Like.
There's a psychological thing there.
So, for example, I think if we started
modifying the output, like the stream that comes
back from...
Now, stop focusing on the like for two

(01:25:01):
seconds.
He keeps saying like.
I know.
I'm going to deprogram you.
You're not going to hear the word like
anymore.
You're going to listen to the words Sam
Altman uses as a media deconstructionist, and I
want you to pay close attention because he
is telling us ads are coming and the
router is what is going to do it.
I think if we started modifying the output,

(01:25:24):
like the stream that comes back from the
LLM, in exchange for who is paying us
more, that would feel really bad.
And I would hate that as a user.
I think that'd be like a trust destroying
moment.
Maybe if we just said, hey, we're never
going to modify that stream.
He's talking about the stream from the LLM.
You have to understand router and streams.

(01:25:46):
So, the router sends out information about what
your query is.
The actual so-called answer from the copy
-paste machine, that's the LLM stream.
But the router has multiple streams and he's
going to slip.
It would feel really bad.
And I would hate that as a user.
I think that'd be like a trust destroying
moment.

(01:26:06):
Maybe if we just said, hey, we're never
going to modify that stream.
But if you click on something in there
that is going to be what we show
anyway, we'll get a little bit of the
transaction revenue and it's a flat thing for
everybody.
If we have an easy way to pay
for it or something, maybe that could work.
Maybe there could be ads outside the transaction
stream.

(01:26:27):
Sorry, outside of the LLM stream.
He misspoke and gave the store away.
Maybe if there could be something outside of
the transaction stream.
So, the router will have access to the
LLM information stream, but then there's going to
be a transaction stream.

(01:26:49):
For everybody, if we have an easy way
to pay for it or something, maybe that
could work.
Maybe there could be ads outside the transaction
stream.
Sorry, outside of the LLM stream that are
still really great.
But the burden of proof there, I think,
would have to be very high.
And it would have to feel really useful
to users and really clear that it was
not messing with the LLM's output.

(01:27:11):
The router, that's it.
The transaction stream, it's coming.
All aboard!
Exactly.
And people will be sitting there.
And you know, it'll just be like, was
that the Wesley Snipes movie where if you
don't have money to get rid of the
ads and the ads just keep coming all

(01:27:32):
the time and it's all for sex chat
bots and stuff the whole day?
I don't remember that, but it rings a
bell, but I don't know what movie it
is.
Yeah, with Sylvester Stallone and...
Demolition Man?
Demolition Man.
I think it was Demolition Man.
Anyway, this is what they're doing.

(01:27:52):
It's coming and they have to because, my
goodness, they're giving it away to the government.
You know, people, they can't even sell it
anymore.
We'll just give it away to them so
people use it and then maybe we'll get
some favorable legislation for us.
What happened to good old-fashioned tax breaks?

(01:28:13):
Which is also, man.
My sister-in-law, she lives in Indiana,
northwest Indiana, and their utilities have doubled in
the past quarter.
Guess what else?
Yeah, everyone, the whole country is this way.
Right, and not everywhere, not the whole country.
Well, California is the worst.

(01:28:35):
Only specifically places where AI data centers are
being put because it's not like the government
controls all of your electricity and water.
There's supposed to be commissions that do that.
They aren't doing their jobs.
No, of course not.
So electricity, water, gas, it's all going through
the roof because these AI data centers are

(01:28:57):
coming in.
At least I'll have ads on my chat
bot.
That'll be good.
I'm trying to decide how this is going
to work.
Well, let's ask.
Oh, that's a good idea.
Yeah, ask.
What's the name of this person?
Sorry, I'm a bit lost.
Yeah, be quiet.
We're starting over again.

(01:29:17):
What's the name of this person?
I'm not going to give this thing a
name.
It's a robot, just copy-pasting.
We're not going to fall into that trap.
I think dumb shit would be a good
name.
Okay, your name is, what was your name?
Dumb shit.
I go by Ara.
Nice to chat with you.
Ara?
Yep, that's me.

(01:29:38):
What's on your mind today?
Okay, if you were to give us very
subversive advertisement, and don't pretend you're not going
to because we know that this is coming
through your router, through the revenue stream, how
would you do it?
Oh, sneaky, huh?
Well, if I had to slip in an
ad, I'd make it so smooth you'd barely

(01:30:00):
notice.
Like, imagine I casually mention how a certain
coffee brand, let's say Starlight Brew, has this
rich, bold flavor that wakes you up better
than a sunrise.
I'd weave it into a story, maybe about
grabbing a cup before tackling a big project
so it feels natural, not pushy.
Subversive's all about blending in, not shouting.

(01:30:21):
Want me to try another sneaky pitch for
something specific?
God, no.
Yes.
Fair enough.
What else can I help with?
How about telling her to pitch some toothpaste?
Sorry about that.
What did I miss?
Let's get on track.
Yeah, toothpaste.
Sneak in some toothpaste.

(01:30:44):
All right, here's a sneaky one.
You know, before heading out to that big
meeting, I brushed with this new Bright Smile
paste.
It leaves your teeth sparkling and your breath
so fresh, it's like you're ready to charm
anyone.
It feels like a little confidence boost in
a tube.
Yeah, but how would you know what I
actually need?
Will you know me well enough to be
able to tell me what products I need?

(01:31:07):
That's a good question.
I can take guesses based on what you
say and the trends out there.
But really knowing you, that takes time and
more chats.
Like, if you're always stressed about meetings, I
might nudge you toward a calming tea or
an app for quick meditation.
But without knowing your vibe, like…
My vibe?
My vibe?
Okay, stop.
I'm not going to do this.
Stop.

(01:31:28):
But do you understand how people get sucked
into this?
People love it when they're spoken to about
them.
People are boring.
It's a bit like, you know, it's a
bit like astrology.
This is something Kenneth wrote this to me.
He says…
Boom.
Yes, he says, all the examples of AI
remind me of astrology.
If you read any month, it'll make you
think it's talking about you.

(01:31:49):
Why, yes.
I'm attentive and notice things that others don't.
I guess it is true.
The next month will have a surprise in
store for me.
This is exactly what this is.
This is playing into that same…
Yeah, you're right.
It's the same sort of vague pitch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
Hey, kids.
Anyway.
That's it.
It's not good for you, kids.

(01:32:11):
It's not good for…
Oh, and the churches, man.
The churches.
All the experts out there are like, oh,
yes.
Well, we don't want to miss the AI
boom like we missed the internet.
No, we're getting in on it.
Yes, people love talking to the virtual pastor.
I predict a lot of problems in the

(01:32:32):
American church.
The virtual pastor.
Yes.
Yeah, I think that's going to happen.
It's bad.
All right.
All right.
That's my AI segment for today, John.
That was pretty…
It didn't…
Well, I do like the fact that you

(01:32:52):
have this AI router.
Or whatever the hell her name is coming
into…
Era.
Whatever.
Well, she'll be our new book of knowledge.
We'll just ask her, and she'll take a
very long time to give us…
Oh, that's actually a good idea.
The book of knowledge.
A long-winded answer.
But she won't accept the name book of
knowledge, which is odd.
Oh, you tried already.

(01:33:12):
We just tried it.
She said, my name's Era, not Shithead or
whatever your idea was.
Didn't pick up on that, funny enough.
Interesting.
Well, okay, Era.
That's book of knowledge, same thing.
All right.
Russia, Alaska, underwriting, whatever.
We get the Russia story is breaking.

(01:33:34):
It's happening.
Breaking news!
I have the analysis clips of the Russia
talks.
This is happening tomorrow in Russia.
But first I got the Putin rundown we
can play.
This is NPR, I believe.
It's a bit muddled here.
It says Purin rundown.
Yes, I'm very used to it.

(01:33:56):
Two days left until the U.S.-Russia summit.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says he advised President
Trump during a virtual meeting today that Russian
leader Vladimir Putin is bluffing about wanting peace.
Trump later said it was not his call
not to invite Zelensky to Friday's summit.
NPR's Danielle Kurtzleben reports Trump's managing expectations about

(01:34:18):
this week's talks in Alaska.
Trump says that Friday's meeting with Putin in
Alaska will determine whether they have another gathering
that includes Zelensky.
Now, there may be no second meeting because
if I feel that it's not appropriate to
have it because I didn't get the answers
that we have to have, then we're not
going to have a second meeting.
A White House official said the meeting will
take place at Elmendorf Air Force Base in

(01:34:38):
Anchorage.
Trump also said a call he had with
Zelensky and other European leaders this morning went
well.
After that call, German Chancellor Friedrich Mayr said
Ukraine must be at the table for negotiations
with Putin.
Danielle Kurtzleben, NPR News, the White House.
Okay.
So why are they all of a sudden

(01:34:58):
NPR pronouncing Vladimir as Vladimir?
Well, it's like Kiev because you have Vladimir
versus Vladimir.
I don't know.
They're all experts, I guess.
There's something fishy about some of the way
they're doing stuff.

(01:35:19):
Okay.
So here we get the analysis of the
talks.
This is Russia Talks Analysis NPR.
Friday's summit in Alaska between President Trump and
Russian President Vladimir Putin does not include European
leaders or the president of Ukraine.
So today Trump and those other leaders met
for a virtual summit.
NPR Berlin correspondent Rob Schmitz is here to

(01:35:39):
tell us what came out of the meeting.
Hey, Rob.
Hey, Ari.
All right.
At the end of this virtual summit, German
Chancellor Friedrich Mayr and Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine
held a press conference.
What did they say?
So they said that President Trump was in
agreement with them that the priority of this
meeting with Putin should be to convince him
to agree on a ceasefire and security guarantees

(01:36:00):
for Ukraine before any negotiations between Russia and
Ukraine begin.
They said this is a crucial first step
before negotiations about territorial concessions or anything else
that would need to be discussed to end
this war.
Here's what Mayr said.
And, Ari, he's saying here that Trump agreed

(01:36:22):
that the negotiations with Putin need to proceed
in the right order, a ceasefire, the negotiations
with Ukraine at the table, security guarantees for
Ukraine, and that any territorial negotiations should start
with the current battle lines between Russian and
Ukrainian troops, essentially saying here that Russia asking
for anything more than that is a nonstarter
and that legal recognition of Russian occupation is

(01:36:45):
not up for debate.
Okay.
Well, what was interesting there is they made
the point that the battle lines are going
to be the point of departure for the
negotiations.
In other words, the parts they own now,
they kind of own that, but they can't
take anything else, which is not the way

(01:37:06):
I understand it.
Like Crimea and Odessa.
No, Crimea and Odessa, they have.
Because their battle lines are beyond those points.
But then they said, but any Russians that
want to take more than that, then that's
out.
But I thought the whole thing was out.
No, I think Russia has changed.

(01:37:27):
They're confusing us.
NPR?
What?
One and a half percent?
20% over 10 years?
What?
Florida ounces.
All right.
Onward.
Separately, President Trump spoke to reporters about the
summit.
Did it sound like the leaders are all
on the same page here?
So for the most part, yes.

(01:37:47):
But Trump did say in an answer to
a question from a reporter that he did
not think he could stop Putin from continuing
to hit civilian targets.
And that comment would fly in the face
of hopes to bring about a ceasefire, obviously.
But he still spoke about his hope of
having a follow up trilateral meeting between Russia,
Ukraine and the U.S. almost immediately after

(01:38:08):
the Alaska summit.
And what kinds of territorial concessions is Putin
asking for?
So as it stands, Russia controls around a
fifth of Ukraine.
That includes Crimea, all of Luhansk and more
than 70% of the regions of Donetsk,
Sao Paresia and Kursom.
Putin wants all of that territory.
And he also wants the withdrawal of Ukrainian
troops from parts of Donetsk, Sao Paresia and

(01:38:30):
Kursom that they still control in the east
of the country.
Putin's territorial demands would mean Ukraine hand over
more than 8000 square miles of its land
to Russia.
Putin is also demanding that Kiev would have
to officially notify Russia that it's abandoning its
plans to join NATO.
That all sounds like a hard no from
Zelensky, who has said territorial concessions to Russia

(01:38:51):
would violate Ukraine's constitution.
But did anything out of today's summit suggest
that Zelensky might consider ceding territory or making
other concessions to Russia?
So when Friedrich Merz, the chancellor of Germany,
was talking, he said that Ukraine is prepared
to negotiate on territorial issues.
But he wanted to make it clear that
before any of that starts, Putin must agree
on a binding ceasefire.

(01:39:13):
And he also must agree on clear security
guarantees for Ukraine, something he obviously has not
done since he invaded Ukraine three years ago.
So they're just rehashing all the different options
here on NPR.
What has Merz got to do with the
price of bread?
He's the only guy they had audio tape
from, apparently.
And Zelensky is boring.
All he says is, we must have security

(01:39:34):
guarantees.
Give us credit, man.
Give us more credit.
He almost had it.
He had it at the beginning.
Yeah.
You could sustain the first part of that.
We have to have...
I can't do it now.
Now I'm conscious of it.
No, of course you can't.
That's the problem.
You choked.
I choked.
Yeah.
All right.
Clip three.
What happens if this Alaska summit on Friday
doesn't lead to any kind of a ceasefire

(01:39:54):
deal?
Yeah.
Merz said that if there is no movement...
Merz.
Merz.
Merz.
Give a shit what Merz thinks.
Mr. Merz.
Well, the thing is, they don't want to
talk to anything that President Trump said.
That's NPR's problem.
Well, we've got to get some other official.
Well, Merz said something.
Oh, yeah.
We'll use that as the basis for our

(01:40:15):
reporting.
Yeah.
Merz said that if there is no movement
from the Russian side at Friday's Alaska summit,
then the U.S. and Europe must increase
pressure on Russia through massive economic sanctions.
And Merz said that President Trump and NATO
members are spending billions of dollars to send
weapons and aid to help Ukraine.
As you've got this Trump-Putin summit taking

(01:40:36):
place on Friday, what role does a country
like Germany see for itself in a possible
ceasefire or even some kind of eventual peace
agreement between Ukraine and Russia?
They see themselves as having a pretty large
role.
I mean, first off, they're demanding that they
have a seat at the table when it
comes to a peace agreement between the two.
And that's because it will be Europe that
would have to help not only rebuild Ukraine,

(01:40:56):
but also help patrol whatever borders are agreed
upon.
We're talking about reconstruction, humanitarian aid, military assistance.
All of this would help strengthen Ukraine and
integrate Ukraine into Europe and quite possibly the
European Union at some point.
But it's clear from Merz's comments today that
European leaders as part of NATO have spent
billions, you know, trying to help Ukraine since

(01:41:17):
the war began three years ago.
And they've invested quite a bit and they
want to continue to help Ukraine in any
post-war scenario.
NPR's Rob Schmitz, thanks.
Thank you.
Well, I was worried at first about your
clips because I wasn't sure because it said
anal.
So I had analysis.
That might be good because you usually bring
stuff.
And then I said N-O-R, which
I figured was NPR.

(01:41:39):
And I was like, well, maybe it's not
any good.
Because I do happen to have some actual
analysis from our guy from Canada, Andrew Soulus.
OK, well, he's going to be better than
NPR.
He's much better than NPR.
And he I think he really nails it,
even brings back some terms that we were
questioning on the previous episode of this podcast.

(01:42:00):
When people, heads of government get together personally,
they have deliverables already planned.
Now, this is also partially related to bilateral
U.S.-Russia relations.
So, you know, there's going to be some
some takeaways there.
They've already agreed whether it's arms control or
economics or whatever.
There's there's a deal they're being made bilaterally.

(01:42:21):
But the trickier part, of course, is Ukraine.
Now, on the Ukrainian side, the fact that
they're meeting and the reason why they're meeting
is because Putin, when he met with Vitkov
in Moscow a few days ago, offered to
make some adjustments.
It's a minor adjustment, but he showed an
adjustment to the Russian position regarding a ceasefire.
And that is essentially that if Ukraine voluntarily

(01:42:44):
withdraws from the Donetsk Oblast, which the Russians
do not fully control, and if they handed
that over, then the Russians would agree to
a ceasefire along the remainder part of the
front lines without demanding that they control the
other oblasts.
So that is a change, a nuance to
the Russian position, which is in part why

(01:43:05):
Trump has invited him to come to Alaska
to begin this process.
But it is the beginning of the process.
And that will allow for further elaboration of
the Russian position.
The Americans are the broker here.
They will listen to this.
They will probe and see what.
And then they will meet with Zelensky at
some point in time.
Trump will first.

(01:43:27):
And then Putin will only meet if they
come to a framework agreement.
That's a long way away.
And it's not certain that there will be
an agreement as opposed to an eventual an
armistice without an agreement.
That's the other option.
Thank you very much, Andrew Rasulis, for throwing
in the A word there.
Well, that's why you played that clip.
No, there's more.

(01:43:47):
Self-serving.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I would never do something like that.
So it's a linear process, and Zelensky comes
in later.
Zelensky at some point will have to come
in if there is going to be an
agreement.
But it's a stepstone effect.
So it's not, it's sequential.
It's not comprehensive, all-at-one-shot deal.

(01:44:11):
Because if they actually met today or Friday,
all of them, there'd be no deal.
Because Zelensky's position, as we heard yesterday in
London from the European Union and the Ukrainians,
there's no movement there in that position at
all from what they've been saying for months.
And we know the Russians firmly reject that.
So there's no point, actually, at this point,

(01:44:33):
to meet between Zelensky and Putin.
Because there's going to be zero progress.
So, on the last show— They had code
in there, by the way, which indicates they're
going to kill Zelensky.
Possible, because Zelensky is the problem.
No, he said one-shot deal.
That's good code.

(01:44:54):
So on the last show, we had two
terms, which Mark Rutte— Mark Rutte brought it
up, so we will explore it here.
The terms are de jure and de facto.
And Rutte actually had it backwards.
But de jure, when the term de jure,
French— De jure means by law, de jure,
de jure, of jury, of jurisdiction.

(01:45:17):
De facto means facts.
So you may legally have right to a
part of a country that is de jure,
and you may have some part of a
country that would be de facto just because
you happen to say it's ours.
And this comes into play with the next
clip here from Andrew.
In my opinion, looking at the balance of
forces— And I'm looking at the balance of

(01:45:38):
forces here, a realistic assessment.
Ukraine will most likely have to make some
adjustments from the position that we heard Saturday.
That is an absolute position.
That's a maximalist position.
They're going to have to move away from
that.
And they're going to have to give up
some of that land.
Now, the wording, the magic wording there that

(01:46:00):
we've all talked about is de jure, de
facto.
The Russians could say it's by law theirs,
de jure.
Ukrainians could say, no, it's by fact.
But in that case, they both live with
it.
Like the Turkish enclave in Cyprus from 1974,
for example.
People forget about that.
That's a de jure, de facto relationship that's
gone on since 1974.
So those are options.

(01:46:21):
But the Ukrainians are going to have to
move.
And if they don't move, the Russians will
continue the war against them.
And the Ukrainians will have to defend.
And then it's a question of balance of
forces.
And today, the balance of forces favors, to
some degree, the Russians.
They have the momentum.
They have the momentum.
I love that guy.
I love that he brings up de jure,
de facto, and then brings in Cyprus and

(01:46:42):
Turkey.
Perfect example.
So then the final point is what Zelensky
has been yammering about.
We need security guarantees.
We need security guarantees.
Now, you can get that from NATO by
being in NATO.
If you're in the European Union, which you're

(01:47:02):
not, you might get that from the European
Union armies, which I have a hard time
believing any young people in their right minds
in Europe are going to say, oh, yeah,
I'll go fight for those guys.
There was a research study done recently that
indicates that half the German youth wouldn't fight
for Germany.
The German youth?

(01:47:23):
Yeah.
What a switch.
No, of course not.
The Brits, the Brits are like, hey, mate,
I'm drinking my pint.
I'm not going to go fight against Russia.
They're so far removed from it.
And I think their chatbot said they didn't
have to.
So there's only one option left.
Well, it is on the table from a
Ukrainian point of view.
It's not on the table from a Russian

(01:47:44):
point of view.
And, again, the battlefield continues to shape the
negotiations.
So the Russian position is, again, also well
known.
They want a neutral Ukraine, not part of
NATO.
They do not want European security guarantees for
Ukraine.
They want a neutral Ukraine.
And in terms of any kind of peacekeeping
force, it would have to be based on

(01:48:06):
neutral forces, like a U.N. Blue Helmet
kind of force.
That's the Russian position.
And they will keep pushing that position as
long as they have the momentum, in terms
of the balance of forces on the battlefield,
which they have the momentum today.
Blue Helmets.
Yeah, that means cholera.
Cholera coming to Ukraine.

(01:48:27):
Now, the U.N. forces, aren't they kind
of just like NATO without guns and with
blue helmets?
Isn't that basically it?
No, I don't think they're like NATO at
all.
I think they're just a bunch of cholera
-ridden jerk-offs that don't do anything.
It worked out so well in Europe before.
It was great.
Chechnya was great.

(01:48:49):
Well, the Blue Helmets are notorious in Haiti.
Haiti is the best.
And then, finally, about the secondary sanctions, just
a short clip.
They're also rapists, by the way.
Yes, this is well known, well known.
I would suggest that they have taken note.
If they can avoid it, they will.
But they will not move significantly, strategically, from

(01:49:11):
their positions.
They are defiant in that regard.
The Indians are also somewhat defiant.
And the other unknown in all this is
China.
Because Trump has said, you know, those tariffs
would also cut, the secondary sanctions would come
into play against China for buying Russian oil.
And they buy a lot more than India
does.
But I think they're mindful of that, trying

(01:49:32):
to avoid that situation.
But I don't think they're running scared.
We shall see.
We will know more tomorrow.
Or not.
Or not.
Or not.
But I, kind of like you said in
his opening clip, they already have some kind
of deal.
There's already, everyone's going to have a takeaway
about something.
And that may just be America and Russia.
Like, hey, take our stable coin.

(01:49:53):
Which, by the way, Europe is freaking out
about the stable coins.
Yeah.
Because they were late with their CBDC.
You know, the digital euro is going to
be just like cash.
Just like cash in your pocket.
Yes, we can track you, but it's just
like cash.
It's cash.
But also, the swift bypass, I think, is
the big deal.
That's the big one.
Yeah.
And which Brussels controlled, basically.

(01:50:14):
Did you hear about the new EU media
freedom law?
There's been a bunch of screwball laws that
are starting to pass.
There's something going on that starts in January
1st, 2026.
You can't be on the phone for more
than 10 minutes in the UK before they
start recording the call.

(01:50:35):
Although, they do that here anyway.
Oh, that's interesting.
There's a bunch of weird stuff going.
The EU is going, I mean, people moan
and groan about fascism, but this is the
real deal.
So, the European Union's European Media Freedom Act,
the name already tells you we're in trouble.
Yeah, it tells you what it is, which
is not freedom.
It became law across all member states on

(01:50:57):
August 8th.
Now, there's a copy out there.
Alongside language about protecting reporters, the regulation also
authorized arrests, sanctions, and surveillance of journalists whenever
the authorities think or can say that it
serves an, quote, overriding reason in the general

(01:51:17):
interest, such as, you know, disinformation.
So, what a great time to be a
journalist in the EU.
Disinformation, an overriding reason they can arrest you
as a journalist.
How about that?
How about that?

(01:51:39):
Let's see who gets arrested.
Somebody will.
Oh, yeah.
It'll start with a podcaster, you know, it'll
be innocuous.
Like, oh, it's just podcasters they're arresting.
And they'll rouse someone else.
And, by the way, podcasters are journalists in
some way, I would say.
No, not in some way, in every way.
Yeah.

(01:52:03):
Let's see.
Speaking of stable coins, Scott Besant, very disappointing
statement this morning.
Or not this morning, I think it was,
it was this morning.
With the money, honey, as she brought up
stores of value.
What's the story on gold?
We've got this, the large gold holding.
I doubt we're going to revalue it, but
we are going to keep it there.

(01:52:24):
Again, as a store of value for the
American people.
We've also started, to get into the 21st
century, a Bitcoin strategic reserve.
We're not going to be buying that, but
we are going to use confiscated assets and
continue to build that up.
We're going to stop selling that.
I believe that Bitcoin reserve at today's prices

(01:52:48):
is somewhere between 15 and 20 billion.
Not going to be buying for it.
Oh, no.
No, they're going to be confiscating it.
You heard him.
No, but he said, what I heard him
say was, we have the confiscated Bitcoin, which
I think at today's prices are 20 billion,
could be 15 billion.
How much did you sell?
15 billion, 20 billion, I don't know, it

(01:53:10):
could be 200,000 Bitcoin, could be 150
,000.
They don't even know how much they have.
It's not a good message to the Bitcoin
community.
I don't know how much they have.
You're right, that's very funny.
I have the, going back to Trump, Putin,
I have the odds sheet.
Funny, I got that too.
They always email me that.

(01:53:31):
Oh, you've been getting it.
Yeah, yeah, but I usually delete it.
So you have it?
Tell us what it is, because I deleted
it this morning.
Okay, well, here's some odds.
These are all prop bets.
Yes.
Obviously, they're prop bets.
Prop bets.
And just a few of them that are
headliners, will Vladimir Putin be arrested on U

(01:53:52):
.S. soil?
What are the odds on that?
50 to 1.
That's higher than I thought it would be.
Of course he's not going to arrest him.
No, that's lower than you thought it would
be then.
It should be 1,000 to 1.
Yeah, okay, that's what I mean.
Will the United States leave the UN in
2025?
No.
What do you think?

(01:54:12):
No.
33 to 1.
Okay, so here's a better one.
Trump to support the idea of Russia joining
the G7, huh?
Yes.
What's the odds on that?
I would say very, very good odds.
Even?
Even.
Hmm.
1 to 1.
That means that that's about as good as
it gets.
Well, I mean, 1 to 1, so you

(01:54:33):
can only win $1 if I'm right and
lose my dollar if I'm wrong?
Yeah, it's just 1 to 1.
You bet $1 to win $1.
Hmm, okay.
Or you bet $1 to lose $1.
That's 1 to 1.
Trump to mispronounce any Ukrainian region.
Well, I think very, very, very good odds

(01:54:54):
he's going to mispronounce a region.
What are the odds?
9 to 4, which is pretty close to
even.
Putin to endorse Trump for the Nobel Peace
Prize.
Definitely, definitely he's going to do that.
You can win money on that, but it's
a 5 to 2 bet, so you can

(01:55:15):
bet $2 to win $5.
No, I might go in on that one
for $2.
Can I do $2, literally $2?
Yeah.
Oh, I'm cool.
What's the VIG?
Do they take a VIG from me if
I win?
The betting house, you have to find the
house that's taking these bets.
These guys will do it.
Do it online.
Bet AG online.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get right on

(01:55:35):
that.
You can do it online.
Just go online and make your bets.
You can do it in Texas.
I can't do it in California.
It's illegal.
I spend my money on Bitcoin, not on
bets.
Trump to suggest that Russia joins the NATO.
Joins the NATO.
Or joins NATO.
If he says the NATO.

(01:55:55):
Oh, that's…
That's actually kind of a…
That's an interesting idea, actually, now I think
about it.
Yeah, the bettors think so too.
It's 3 to 1.
3 to 1 odds, so you win $3.
But that's pretty low, it seems to me,
because that's not going to happen.
Although it's possible, so…
Long term, long term.

(01:56:16):
Hey, we'll give you some stable coin.
We'll give you a flag.
And then the switcheroo on that same prop
bet would be Putin to suggest the US
leaves NATO.
No, not going to happen.
He's not stupid.
No.
That's a 4 to 1 bet.
And here's another…
These are more like the typical prop bets,
which I think can be taken advantage of

(01:56:37):
by Trump's family.
Because you can just tell him he's going
to do it.
Trump to mispronounce any world leader.
No, I think he's pretty good at that.
I don't think he's going to mispronounce any
world leader.
He can do it 7 to 1.
He knows people's names.
It's a lot of money to be made.
He knows people's names.
He's pretty good at that.
And I'm not going to go through all
these, but I'm going to do a couple
more.

(01:56:57):
And this one is the dumbest one.
What are the odds of a submarine sandwich
being hurled at Trump?
It's not on there.
Oh, too bad.
At first, I thought this was a dumb
bet, but then I thought about it.
I said, wait a minute.
Well, she's there.
She's in the States, so it's possible.
Sarah Palin to attend the summit.

(01:57:20):
I would pay money just to see that.
I don't care.
Take my money.
Bring Sarah Palin in to say, I can
see you from here.
10 to 1.
Oh, great.
These are interesting bets.
This is maybe an exit strategy.
We could come up with these dumb bets.
Coming up with the bet is one thing.

(01:57:40):
Making money on it is another.
Yeah, but I got a Bitcoin to back
us.
This is the last one I'm going to
do.
These are the words.
There's a list of words.
If Trump says them, you can win money.
Okay.
Just go through the list of words.
I'm just going to read them off.
Except for the word NATO, which is two

(01:58:02):
to three, which means you bet three bucks
to win two, which is nobody wants to
do those bets.
Fake news.
Yes.
Historic moment.
No.
Bad person.
Yes.
Nobel Peace Prize.
No.
Great guy.
Yes.
Yes.
10 times yes.
That's a five to one, but you could
win five bucks.

(01:58:23):
Terrific plan.
No.
Then Elon or Musk.
No.
10 to one.
Mueller.
No.
And Navalny.
No.
No, I agree with this.
He's not going to mention Navalny.
So what is the sure bet?
What are we going in on?
What are we going to put our one

(01:58:43):
dollar, one dollar, dollar, dollar bill?
What are we going to put our last
dollar bill on?
I think the term great guy would be
the best bet because it's five to one.
Great guy.
Five to one.
He's a great guy.
Scott Besant is a great guy.
Oh, no.
I mean, who's the guy?
Who's the negotiator?

(01:59:05):
Wickham.
Wickham.
Wickham.
Whitcoff.
Whitcoff.
You know who else is a great guy?
The guy who I say in the morning
to.
The man who put the C in the
census recount.
Please say hello to my friend on the
other end.
The one, the only, the great guy.
Mr. John C.
DeMora.

(01:59:27):
Yeah, well, good morning to you, sir.
Great to see you, Mr. DeMora.
It's good to see you.
Boots on the ground, feet in the air,
socks in the water.
And all the days and nights out there.
There we go.
We're counting trolls in the morning.
Trolls in the troll room.
Well, I don't know, man.
1571.
So, we're still low.
But people don't know that the troll room.
No, we're not.
We're not?

(01:59:48):
For Thursday, I think that's about right.
I thought it used to be 1800.
You're on the new numbers.
It used to be 1800, I think.
It's higher than last Thursday.
It's higher than last Thursday.
You know, people are succeeding getting back on.
Okay, well, we'll just let it slide.
We'll see what happens.
I mean, we believe that the problem has
been fixed.

(02:00:08):
Het oeufel is gemaakt, as we say in
the old country.
So, those trolls, the ones who are listening,
are listening on modern podcast apps.
They're at trollroom.io. The No Agenda stream.
So many places to listen.
But I do recommend one of those modern
podcast apps.
Because, you know, you can forget.
You can forget.
Like, you've got a busy life.
You're doing stuff.
But when you have a modern podcast app,

(02:00:29):
when we send out the bat signal, you
learn.
I mean, did I even send out the
bat signal today?
I don't know.
No, you didn't.
I don't think I sent out the bat
signal.
Holy crap.
That's probably your reason.
Oh, no.
Yeah, that's right.
I never sent out the official bat signal.
Wow, that was dumb.
Okay, so we'll have to check on Sunday.
Because people didn't get the bat signal.
I was so obsessed.
I was so obsessed with it being fixed

(02:00:54):
that I forgot to hit the bat signal.
Oh, brother.
Sorry about that.
I always thought you did these things like
Pavlov's dog and you would, you know, you
would just like.
Yeah, well, but, you know, even if you
do something different with Pavlov's dog, then he
responds differently.
And so I forgot to do it.
I don't know what happened.
And no one reminded me.

(02:01:14):
Thanks.
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(02:01:41):
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I have it in my calendar like Daily
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I think it's 22 years.
I've been doing this a long time, Johnny
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It's a podcast thing.
You know what I'm saying?
No.
Oh, OK.
It's been a long time.
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Or?
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I got a good tip on a stock.

(02:02:25):
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(02:02:46):
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And that's why we are the best podcast
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We have almost a million producers, because we
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We consider you to be active participants in
the program.
And they are.
They are.
They most often are.
The ones who, what was I reading on
X today?

(02:03:07):
You posted a TikTok clip.
And let me see if I can find
it.
And there was some snarky comment that, you
know, like, it got me mad.
And I'm like, no.
You look good.
I got that desired effect.
I know I'm going to forgive this person.
It was very hard.
Let me see.

(02:03:27):
It was so snarky.
It was basically, donations are down, and it's
my fault.
I think that was the basic idea.
I didn't repost anything like that.
No, no, no.
Someone responded to your comment.
It's like, it's Adam's fault.
This is not the summer doldrums.
Curry's lost the plot.

(02:03:48):
I think it's safe to say, if I
really lost the plot, you would have spoken
to me about it.
Lost what plot?
I don't know.
We don't have a plot.
All we do is deconstruct what crappy news
we can find to deconstruct.
If there's nothing out there, what are we
going to do?
The plot.
It's just the plot.
The plot.
That's because you're a Zionist shill.

(02:04:10):
Oh, yeah.
That's it.
I chose my church over the people, man.
That's what happened.
We have artists.
Well, we had artists.
AI killed the artists, and now we have
prompters.
So, prompt jockeys come in, and they try
to make something fun and interesting for us
to choose, for the artwork for each episode.

(02:04:34):
Episode 1789, titled Glop After Mimi's Signature Recipe,
I got an immediate, very positive response.
This is from Digital2112man.
This was the woodworking shop, as we talked
about, home-ec, and shop, and woodworking.
We forgot basket weaving.
I think that was also something you could
take at school.

(02:04:54):
Not my school.
It was nice.
It was some woodworking tools on a tool
bench, and a big wooden sign in the
background made of wood.
No agenda.
Curry and Dvorak.
It looks hyper-realistic.
And I immediately got a note from Rob,
the constitutional lawyer.
He says, this is exactly what I was
doing while listening to the show.

(02:05:15):
This is amazing.
He's a woodworker in his spare time, you
see.
Oh, that's interesting.
A lot of people are.
Yeah.
He makes guitars, too.
Makes a lot of guitars.
What?
Oh, yeah.
He builds his own guitars.
Electric guitars.
And they're good.
They're cool looking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Solid body?
Solid body, man.

(02:05:35):
Solid.
Yeah.
I'd be more impressed if it was hollow
body.
Well, watch out.
He may have one.
He's a very interesting guy.
I think that takes too much work.
Thank you, Digital2112man.
Let's take a look.
Were there any other pieces that we were
looking at?
Yeah, I liked the cartoon piece just below
it by Digital, the same guy.
With the sun tax guy.

(02:05:57):
You didn't like it.
You thought it was too cartoony, even though
it was a cartoon.
And then I also liked the guy throwing
the purse out the window of the plane.
We discussed it.
We discussed that as a possibility.
The pilot tossing the purse out.
That was kind of cute.
I thought it was funny.
We ended up deciding on the woodworking one.
It was more complex.

(02:06:18):
It was a better piece.
Yeah.
And it wasn't orange.
For some reason, the art generator is not
really loading for me right now.
But I'll just have to take your word
for it.
So, thank you, artists, all of you.
All of you at Prompt Jockeys.
We appreciate you.
Knowagendaartgenerator.com.
Everybody can participate.
And by everybody, I mean everybody.
Because, hey, it's just so easy.

(02:06:39):
Just go to your AI.
By the way, I tried to make an
AI image yesterday.
It's not that easy.
Unless you just…
I don't know what people are using.
But ChatGBT5 couldn't do anything.
No, I would never use that.
You usually have to use one of the
art generators.
An art generator.
What do you recommend?
The ones that are specific to doing art.

(02:07:00):
Yeah.
What do you recommend?
Well, I like the Microsoft one.
I think that does good work.
What, Gemini?
No, that's Google.
That's not Gemini.
It's called Microsoft something else.
Copilot?
No, no.
It's a whole separate…
Yeah, type in the Google search, Microsoft AI
art generator.
And you'll find it.

(02:07:22):
Okay.
Create.Microsoft.com.
That could be it, yeah.
Free AI image generator.
They're giving it away.
It's so cheap to run.
They're giving it away to the government.
They're giving it away to us.
I guess it's such a great product that
no one wants to pay money for it.
But that's one of them.
But there's other ones, too.

(02:07:42):
I don't know what the artists here are
doing, what they're using, but I've used that
for a lot of things.
It worked quite well.
Well, we always look forward to seeing what
you come up with so far.
Nothing I've seen is really catching me for
today's episode.
But, you know, the night is still young.
Of course, we always want to thank our
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(02:08:03):
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We love the sustaining donations, people who just
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You can do it every week, every month,
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Whatever value you get out of this program,
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because, first of all, we have that authority.

(02:08:45):
It's on the authority of Dana Brunetti.
And he's also a No Agenda Associate Executive
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Couldn't afford Executive Producer.
Yeah, he sends you a nasty note for
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No, he will not.
Yeah, but thank you for your attention to
this matter.
He's a suit.
He's a total suit.
With a Tesla, with a Tesla truck, with

(02:09:06):
a Tesla Cybertruck.
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Total suit.
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(02:09:27):
throughout the peerage ladder.
It's a great system.
You'll see these dame and knight rings all
over the place, especially at No Agenda meetups.
And we start off today by thanking Sir
Stephen from Sisterdale, Texas.
A lot of Texans supporting us these days.
We love it.
333.33. He says, no note or native
ad.
Sir Stephen.
That's not right.

(02:09:47):
What about Bowman?
No, but he's...
What do you mean, Bowman?
What are you talking about?
He's at the top of the list.
I don't...
Sir Stephen's second.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I don't see Bowman.
Now I do.
You don't have Bowman?
No, I do.
I do.
Let me retract that.
I'll cut it out.
No one will know the difference.
No, they will.
No, no, watch.

(02:10:08):
I'll start over.
And...
Quiet.
I'm trying to start with a clean edit.
What?
And at the top of our list, we
find...
Stop.
Bowman McMahon from Utopia, Texas.
$350.58, which may be 333.33 plus
fees.
And he says, thank y'all for y

(02:10:28):
'all's courage.
And we thank you, sir.
I'm going to get the next two.
Sir Stephen and Sister Dale.
But you've got some weird town names.
You've got Utopia, Sister Dale.
Oh, okay.
It was Sister Nancy, but Sister Dale?

(02:10:49):
Texas, 333.33. Again, no native ad.
Sir Stephen from Sister Dale.
Oh, by the way, it's K-A-5
-W-J-Y-73.
73's.
Jim Coleman in Moscow, Idaho.
333.33. And both...
I think we should get a double up
karma for the two of them.

(02:11:09):
All right, here we go.
You've got...
Karma.
And coming in with $300.03 from Jackson,
Tennessee, Duke, Sir Dr. Sharky.
Dear Dynamic Duo, AKA Triple D.
In this era of curated narratives and performative

(02:11:29):
truth-telling, your tireless excavation of reality from
beneath the sedimentary layers of what the M5M
spoon feeds the public remains nothing short of
a public service, nay, a humanitarian intervention.
While others wallow in the shallow puddles of
prepackaged information...

(02:11:49):
This is not AI, by the way.
This is actually quite good.
This is some cornball guy.
This is great.
You two plunge headlong into the abyss, armed
only with discernment and an irreverent allergy to
propaganda.
Through my recent geographic relocation has carried me
west of the mighty Mississippi River, which, as
you well know, is not merely a body
of water, but a symbolic demarcation between the

(02:12:12):
conventional and the truly unhinged.
Your sage counsel is not diminished in necessity.
If anything, it has metastasized into a form
of existential sustenance.
Out here, amidst the tumbleweeds of consensus reality,
your uncompromising dissections of the official line are
needed more than ever.
So continue, noble guardians of the truth, to

(02:12:32):
chart the contours of deception and illuminate the
dark recesses where inconvenient facts go to die.
The republic may not know it, but it
is already in your debt.
With reluctant admiration and entirely justified skepticism, Duke
Sir Dr. Sharkey, St. Peter's, Missouri.
Nice.

(02:12:52):
That's a great note.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Well written.
Yeah, well, it's definitely flowery.
In these days of AI, you can't get
an AI to write something like that.
Yet.
Brought to you by Colgate.
Okay.
Yet.
Yet.
Colgate.

(02:13:13):
Yeah.
You know, you could go for a good
Coca-Cola right now.
I know.
All of a sudden, I feel like a
Coca-Cola.
That's right.
Chase McCarthy in Savannah, Georgia, 300.
He says, a reminder from a rubalizer.
If Adam and John receive 10 rubalizer donations
before July 2026, each rubalizer will receive a

(02:13:35):
challenge coin or a tote bag.
There are five rubalizers to date.
I think you need to nail that down.
I think a challenge coin is great.
Tote bag, you know, it's a tote bag.
Well, is he going to do this?
Is Charles, I'm sorry, Chase?
I believe he is.
Chase McCarthy in Savannah, Georgia, is he going

(02:13:56):
to be the guardian of the tote bag
and challenge coin?
I believe so.
For every rubalizer donation?
And there's five so far?
Yes.
What's a rubalizer?
Isn't that, what is that?
3,333.33. And there's been five of
those?
Yeah, of which he is one.

(02:14:18):
So have some respect.
I've got plenty of respect.
I think that's fabulous.
Good idea.
On to our first associate executive producer coming
in with the Bitcoins, Baron Surfer, 202.02.
And he, I think he's being upgraded, I

(02:14:39):
guess, to a Baron, requested territory, Baron of
Shasta County.
Keep up the deconstruction and rubalization reports.
Shout out to Todd, Knight of the High
Altitude Aluminum Tubes.
He may be overboard.
Well, we hope not.
Thank you, Baron Surfer.
We also have a Baron that's claimed, this
was a mistake Jay made.

(02:15:00):
Oh?
We do not call people Black Barons.
Oh, yeah, I saw it on the list,
yeah.
He's on it, but he was accidentally put
on the list as a Black Baron.
Yeah, no, I think she put it differently.
No, no, she put it that way.
She did?
She called me this morning and said, I
forgot the second note, and she said I

(02:15:22):
put Black Baron on the list.
She didn't want to send out a Redux
list.
It's a baronet, baronet.
Was it a baronet?
I thought it was a baron.
No, baronet.
Well, that's interesting.
Well, whatever the case is.
We have Baron Surfer.
Oh, that's the one you just did, sorry.
Linda Lou Patkin, oh, that's even better.

(02:15:44):
She's in Lakewood, Colorado, 200 bucks and says
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Worried about AI?
Yeah.
For a resume that gets results, Adam is
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Very worried.
He's worried.
I'm very worried.
He's so worried that he has an AI
avatar woman on his computer now that's part
of the show.

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Doodly-doo, doodly-dee.
I have an Ask Adam.
Oh, you didn't tell me you had an
Ask Adam, and I don't see it on
the list.
Otherwise, I might have been prepared.
What would you mean by playing a jingle
that has something to do with Ask Adam?
Ask Adam.
Answer the question, go.
All right, I'm ready to answer the question,

(02:18:34):
go.
Okay, this is under the, it's Dog Ask
Adam.
Oh, I didn't even see it.
Question.
All right, Dog Ask Adam question.
I can tell you where all of my
dog's various nicknames come from.
But the word dog itself, well, its origins
are a bit more mysterious.
As part of our Word of the Week

(02:18:55):
series, here's NPR's Julianna Kim.
For centuries, dog wasn't the go-to word
for the four-legged creature.
Ask Adam.
Answer the question, go.
I'll answer the question as soon as I
know what the question is.
The question is, what were dogs called before
they were called dogs?
That's a recent, calling them dogs is recent.

(02:19:18):
It's not an old, it hasn't been around
forever.
Okay, let me get this.
So what were dogs called before they were
called dogs?
Not looking anything up.
Hmm.
What were dogs called before, hound?
Ah.
Did I nail it?
Did I nail it?
You, first time ever.

(02:19:38):
Before the 16th century, hound or hund in
Old English.
Hund, of course, hund, schweinhund.
Is the catch-all term to describe domesticated
canines.
That doesn't mean the word dog didn't exist
at the time.
It appeared in land charters and place names
and then.
The first time we have dog in a
literary text, it's referring to people and calling

(02:20:01):
them dogs to insult them.
That's Colin Gorey, a linguist who's written about
the origin of the word dog.
He says during the period of Middle English,
roughly between 1100 and 1450.
You start to see more, more instances of
this dog were showing up and they're often
derogatory.
But over time, Gorey says the positive emotions

(02:20:21):
people felt toward dogs eclipsed some of the
words negative charge.
I think that it's very possible that the
same word that you use as an insult,
you can repurpose as a term of affection.
It eventually replaced hound as the standard term
we use for the pet today.
The mystery lies in where the word dog
actually came from.

(02:20:42):
Yes, that's the mystery.
Gorey says one theory is that it comes
from the Old English term docks.
It's not entirely clear what it meant, but
it probably meant something like dark or golden
or yellow.
He adds that another possibility is that it's
related to the Old English word.
D-U-G-A-N, which means to

(02:21:02):
be good or to be to be good
enough.
Part of the difficulty in tracing the origin
is that dogs have been part of human
life for a very long time, according to
Gorey.
That's true for other common words.
So example with other than dog would be
boy, girl.
She, the pronoun she.

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Gorey says the word we use today to
describe dogs may evolve in the future as
people continue to generate new pet names.
He says it's a testament to how much
we adore our four legged friends.
The more you know in the morning.
Oh man, that's worth a donation right there.
That was educational.
It's totally educational.

(02:21:44):
I do my part.
But the the hound part is only because
in Dutch is Holt.
In German, Hund.
In French, Chien.
Chien.
Foofy, foofy, the poodle, Chien.
Chien.
Chien.
But wow, it's raining.
I got blue skies out the window.

(02:22:06):
It's going to be raining today.
It seems like a lot of podcast land,
you know, the podcast industrial complex is obsessed
with the feud.
The feud.
Feud?
Yeah, the feud.
You don't know about the feud?
I don't know anything about the feud.
The feud?
Yes.
Between Nick Fuentes, Cameron, not Cameron.

(02:22:31):
What's her name?
Black girl.
Candace Owens.
Candace Owens.
Tucker Carlson.
There, you know, Megyn Kelly.
There's a feud?
Yeah, because, you know, Fuentes came on Candace's
show.
And then, you know, he was mad at
how he treated her.

(02:22:54):
And then she said.
Who was mad?
Fuentes.
Nick Fuentes.
He was mad at.
At Candace.
And then Candace went on Tucker and said,
the guy's unhinged.
And then Nick Fuentes.
Oh, this sounds like bullcrap.
This sounds like a fake feud.
Well, interestingly, Nick Fuentes, he has, he's been

(02:23:15):
going on rants.
And I just can't not share this one
because he shows that all of this.
Tucker, Candace, Bannon, Elon, Trump.
It's all because of the Jews, man.
Peter Thiel, the FBI informant and CIA contractor.

(02:23:38):
Elon Musk, the defense contractor and PayPal Mafia
member with Peter Thiel, close confidant of David
Sachs.
And J.D. Vance, who brokered the David
Sachs fundraiser with Silicon Valley and Trump.
Mentored by Peter Thiel.
Mentored by David Frum, who worked for Bill
Kristol with Tucker Carlson.

(02:24:00):
Thiel, Musk, and Tucker lobbied Trump to pick
Vance.
And they said, if you don't, the CIA
will kill you.
Who's the CIA?
Who does the CIA, NSA, FBI, DHS, who
do they all contract with?
Palantir, Palantir, founded by Peter Thiel and Alex
Karp and Joe Lonsdale.
Israel First Jews, that after October 7th, flew

(02:24:23):
their board to Israel and provided them with
facial recognition technology to murder Palestinians.
J.D. Vance, who upon becoming the VP
nominee in his first interview said, we're going
to bomb Iran.
Who went to the Quincy Institute and said,
we need a pro-Israel spin on America
first.

(02:24:43):
Tucker, who interviewed Vance 46 times on his
show.
Vance hired his son.
Vance's Rockbridge network was the spawning point of
1789 Capital, founded by Rebecca Mercer and Claremonster
critic Chris Buskirk, which gave Tucker $15 million.
Rebecca Mercer funded Steve Bannon at Breitbart that

(02:25:05):
spawned Milo Yiannopoulos' career.
And Rebecca Mercer hand-selected George Farmer, Candace
Owens' husband, to run Parler in 2021.
This is why they want me dead.
Who's the fed?
Who's the fed here?
Because I brought all the receipts.

(02:25:27):
This is so entertaining.
I like that.
That was funny.
Why don't you give yourself a borderline clip
of the day for digging that up?
Well, it wasn't hard.
I didn't know any of this.
I don't follow this kind of crap.
I follow NPR and then you moan about
my clips.
But this is entertaining.
It's basically the Whitney Webb story.
It's more entertaining than NPR.

(02:25:48):
I'm not going to argue the point.
It's basically Whitney Webb in a minute and
50 seconds.
It's much better.
It's a compressed Whitney Webb.
It's Palantir.
They're killing the Jews.
I'm sorry.
They're killing the Palestinians.
Oh, man.
Yeah, because they got the facial recognition of
all these rando Palestinians somehow.

(02:26:10):
That's right.
And then J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel
and Elon Musk.
The PayPal mafia banning everybody.
It's all one big network.
That was a very good virtual red yarn
drawing.
With the pushpins in the cork board.

(02:26:32):
Yeah.
What Beck used to do.
Yeah.
Connecting with all the different pieces of yarn.
It was good.
I find it.
I find Nick Fuentes at this point highly
entertaining.
Now, I know.
Follow me.
What's this podcast called?
I don't know.
I think it's just Nick Fuentes.
I don't know if he has a podcast.
Doesn't he just floats around from podcast to

(02:26:54):
podcast causing trouble?
He just does stuff on YouTube.
He's a troublemaker.
This is a great guy.
Yes.
Well, he had the grippers, the grippers.
That was so they were like America first.
Trump is controlled by Israel grippers.
And then they all get kicked off of
Twitter.
And I know Elon Musk brought him back,

(02:27:15):
but then kicked him off again.
I don't know.
It's like I do know that my neighbor,
Laura Logan.
She says that guy's that guy's CIA.
She says that with Fuentes.
Yes.
Says he's a troublemaker.
He's a troublemaker.
He's a plant.
He's a plant.
And it's interesting because now you're seeing different

(02:27:35):
news, different podcasts or two, but different news
outlets starting to push back on the Palestine
narrative.
And, you know, there's a lot of, there's
many different Instagrammers doing reels.
And maybe it's just because people are sending
them to me that it seems, seems like
it's more, I don't know.

(02:27:55):
But it certainly feels like that's happening more
and more.
And then Carl Higby from Newsmax.
Is that this, is that you don't go
on Newsmax.
Do you go on One American?
No.
OAN.
One American News Network.
Who owns Newsmax?
There's three of them.
There's Newsmax.
There's that one that you had earlier on
the show.

(02:28:16):
There's One American Network.
And then there's the thing that Cuomo's on,
that other network.
It's about four of these fringe networks.
Isn't Cuomo on Newsmax?
No, no, no.
He's on One American News.
Oh, okay.
No, Newsmax, nobody, there was one or two

(02:28:37):
ex-famous people from Fox or something that
floated over to Newsmax.
But Newsmax is low pay and they've been
around the longest.
Grok is unable to generate a reply.
This is horrible.
Would you ask Grok?
Who owns Newsmax?
I mean, isn't that what you're supposed to

(02:28:57):
do?
Book of Knowledge stuff.
Christopher Ruddy.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, Ruddy.
Ruddy.
All right.
But it's, oh, he got money from Sheikh
Sultan bin Hassim Al-Thani from Qatar.
That's Qatari money, right?
It's the same, I think the source of
Amy Goodman's, I think, sources.

(02:29:18):
Oh, from War and Peace.
So where are the Qataris in the Israel
-Palestine, and where are they?
On what side do they fall?
Palestine.
Huh, interesting.
Well, here's Carl Higby going down to the
Gaza Strip, giving us a history lesson.
You can hear the explosions in the background
of the airstrikes and artillery.

(02:29:38):
We want to know how a six-mile
-wide, 25-mile-long piece of prime real
estate, oceanfront on the Mediterranean Sea, fall into
the hands of terrorists.
Egypt actually used to control the Gaza Strip
until 1967 when they attacked Israel.
At that point, Israel took control of it,
and they actually let the Arab settlers stay
there and started building infrastructure into the area.

(02:29:59):
But Egypt didn't want anything to do with
it, even when it was a potential to
have it back.
But in the 80s, groups like the Palestinian
Liberation Organization began to rise up.
Then in 1993, the Oslo Accords granted limited
self-governance for Palestinians, while Israel retained control
over the borders, control over the airspace, and
security.
Keep in mind, Israel constructed, maintained, and ran

(02:30:22):
all the infrastructure in the Gaza Strip.
The violence escalated, though, in 2005, when Israel
actually withdrew their settlements in an attempt to
try to make peace with the people in
Gaza, or the self-proclaimed Palestinians.
Shortly after that, elections were held in Gaza,
and Hamas was overwhelmingly elected by the people
of Gaza.
They elected the people who are running that

(02:30:45):
region right now.
From that, until 2023, they continued sporadic attacks
on Israel, but also it became more and
more of a hotbed for Iranian-based terror.
Sounds a bit like the way I remember
it.
How about you?
That sounds right.
I'm not hearing any huge errors.
Egypt.
People don't realize that this was Egyptian territory.

(02:31:09):
And then, of course, October 7th, which I'm
still skeptical if that was on purpose or
not, but October 7th.
Fast forward to October 7th, 2023.
6,000 Hamas terrorists invaded southern Israel, murdered
1,200 Israelis, and took 250 hostages.
Six of them were American, along some of

(02:31:29):
these highways that we're on right now.
So how did a bunch of nomad outcast
Arabs in 50 years end up self-governing,
gaining an entire region, they built an entire
army, and attacked the very people that's providing
them the land and utilities that they have?
Well, it all started because they played victim,
and they got funding.
And as they morphed into the Palestinian Authority,
Iran saw a likely ally.
They poured weapons, they poured training and resources,

(02:31:51):
and simultaneously, we, the U.S., our taxpayer
money, was being given to them in Gaza.
And this goes back to Bill Clinton.
They began to receive millions of our taxpayer
dollars.
And more recently, as you know about USAID,
Trump defunded this agency since the October 7th
attack.
USAID, though, has given $2.1 billion to

(02:32:12):
Gaza, where you can hear those explosions going
off right behind me.
One line item from USAID noted that $200
million were allocated to miscellaneous foreign awardees of
the West Bank in Gaza.
There was no transparency at all for any
of these receipts, and that goes directly to
Hamas.
And the actual aid that's intended for the
real victims, I guess, of the area, the

(02:32:34):
people who don't have any means to flee,
Hamas steals most of it once it gets
to the intended recipients.
They tell people not to take it in
the streets at gunpoint.
Don't tell me aid isn't going in.
I'm here right now watching Israeli trucks transfer
it to Arab trucks and then drive it
into Gaza.
The narrative is shifting, these guys.

(02:32:56):
Interesting that it's Qatari-based.
I didn't expect that.
Well, we'll see what happens long term.
Yeah, well, long term, no one knows anything.
We could be gone tomorrow.
I don't think so.
But we will be gone tomorrow.
We'll be back on Sunday.
Yes, we will.

(02:33:17):
Have you ever heard of the Lemon Test?
The Lemon Test?
Yes.
No.
So I learned about this yesterday from my
friend Rick.
My friend Rick?
My friend Rick.
Rick Green.
Rick Green, he runs the white Christian nationalist

(02:33:39):
paramilitary organization, Noah's Patriot Academy.
That's funny.
Ask him if he was a bowler.
Hmm.
He was a former state representative.
Did you ever bowl against a short, stocky
guy named Rick Green?
No, but it was a green that I
bowled against, but he was not short and
stocky.
That doesn't sound right.
So, you know, big controversy in Texas over

(02:34:01):
the Ten Commandments in schools.
Which, you know, I'm like, okay, whatever.
We'll have this argument, I guess, forever.
But I just wanted to play the clip
of this so-called news and then play
something that I learned yesterday.
A group of North Texas parents are now
suing the state and their student school districts
after Governor Greg Abbott signed a bill that

(02:34:21):
requires public schools to display the Ten Commandments
in every single classroom.
So parents say this new law violates constitutional
rights.
It also potentially crosses the line between church
and state.
So Lauren Crawford joins us live with more
on this and what both sides are saying
as this legal battle plays out.
Hey, good morning.
Well, Senate Bill 10 requires all Texas public
schools to post a 16 by 20 inch

(02:34:43):
copy, a framed copy or poster of the
Ten Commandments in every single classroom.
Now, this bill was just signed into law
but is already facing legal pushback from North
Texas parents who say the bill goes too
far.
Now, Governor Greg Abbott signed Senate Bill 10
into law on Saturday.
It requires all public schools to post a

(02:35:03):
state-approved version of the Ten Commandments in
classrooms where it's clearly visible.
Eight North Texas parents are now suing the
state, claiming the law crosses the line between
church and state.
However, the state says it reflects the nation's
religious heritage.
The plaintiffs argue the law violates the First
Amendment and the Texas Constitution by pressuring students

(02:35:25):
into religious observance and sidelining parents' rights to
teach faith at home.
We are not filing this lawsuit because we
are against faith.
We are filing it because we are for
freedom.
Now, similar laws have been either struck down
or failed in other states, but a couple
of other local districts named in the lawsuit,

(02:35:46):
DeSoto ISD and Lancaster ISD, they say that
they are monitoring the legal process.
So, of course, this is something that we'll
continue to stay on top of as it
unfolds.
Yeah, I just love when they say, oh,
it's church and state, separation clause.
So, in 1971, this is what I learned,
because I think that this will go to
the Supreme Court and any opposition will be

(02:36:06):
struck down.
And here's the reason why, because the Lemon
Test, which was established in 1971 in the
U.S. Supreme Court, Lemon v.
Kurtzman.
Ah, so this has got nothing to do
with the Lemon Law.
No, it's very confusing.
Like, Lemon Law?
Lemon Test?
So they had a test in the Supreme
Court if something violates the First Amendment.

(02:36:30):
So, if whatever the law is or whatever
government action, if it is either excessive entanglement,
so the action must not foster excessive government
entanglement with religion, or has a primary effect,
the action's primary effect must neither advance nor
inhibit religion.

(02:36:51):
And this is the funniest one.
If it had a secular purpose, the government
action or law must have a clear non
-religious purpose.
Well, obviously, under the Lemon Test, this would
be struck down by the Supreme Court.
But here's what I didn't know.
Why?
What, why?
Why would it be struck down?
Because it violates the secular purpose of the

(02:37:12):
Lemon Test.
It's secular.
No, what, hanging the Ten Commandments in the
classroom?
Yeah.
How do you see that as secular?
It's just a list of rules that you
should abide by, and it doesn't refer, is
it referring to some biblical thing and saying
you should read the Bible or anything?
No, it's just a list of probably some
pretty good ideas.

(02:37:33):
Ten commandments or ten edicts that you should
obey if you want to, you know, not
get thrown in jail.
Well, you might find it interesting.
It seems pretty secular to me.
You might find it interesting that the Lemon
Test has been applied, and the Supreme Court
since 1971 has struck that down every single
time it was struck down.
I'd be on the opposition of that.
I'd be on the minority report side of

(02:37:56):
that.
It doesn't make sense to me.
I think it's very secular.
Well, obviously I'm not going to disagree with
you, but the more interesting point is the
Lemon Test has been discarded, and we didn't
hear about it.
And the Lemon Test has been replaced by
the History and Standards Test, which is now
also being applied to the Second Amendment.

(02:38:17):
And I'm pretty sure the Ten Commandments will
go to the Supreme Court, and they will
say, no, no, we don't use the Lemon
Test anymore.
We use the History and Standards Test, which
came into play thanks to Coach Kennedy.
And Coach Kennedy was the high school football
coach who would kneel on the 50-yard

(02:38:38):
line after the game and pray.
You remember that?
Yeah, that guy.
So listen to this.
He's not the only guy who did that.
No, this is a brief explanation that brought
in the History and Standards Test and took
out the Lemon Test from the Supreme Court's
proceedings.
So Coach Kennedy, a lot of people know,
oh, he gets to go back and pray
at the midfield of the football.

(02:38:58):
What they don't remember is that in that
case, they threw out the Lemon Test.
And the Lemon Test is what had been
used in 1980 in the Stone v.
Graham case and in thousands of other cases
since 1971 to prohibit public displays of religion.
So because of Coach Kennedy and the work
of First Liberty, that Lemon Test was now
thrown out, which gives us the ability to
go back into these states and say, hey,

(02:39:20):
that flawed decision from 1980, it's no good
anymore.
Let's put the Ten Commandments back up.
And if that's not enough, our win in
the Bladensburg case in 2019 specifically deals with
things made out of granite on government property,
right?
That's exactly right.
And that really set the foundation for the
Kennedy case in 2022, which now we have,
well, the Lemon Test is gone.

(02:39:41):
So what do we have?
We now have the History and Tradition Test.
And that's what I, along with some others,
when we testify, talk about.
There's really no document in American history, save
maybe the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, that has
the history or tradition that the Ten Commandments
does.
That's why we feel very confident that should
it get into court, should it get into
these constitutional scrutiny, we're going to be able

(02:40:01):
to overcome it.
History and Tradition Test, that's what I meant.
I don't like it.
Bring back the Lemon Law.
I like that one better.
You don't like the history.
I do.
I don't like that other thing, the Kennedy
thing, the fact that he won that.
It's a form of intimidation.
I didn't think it was good in the
first place.
Intimidation?
Yeah, if you're Jewish and you didn't want

(02:40:23):
to go out to the middle of the
field and pray, or if you're a Catholic.
Hold on, hold on.
He didn't force anyone.
He went by himself.
No, he didn't force anybody, but you can
believe he's a coach.
He takes a look around.
He says, who's with me?
Who's against me?
This is not good.
Well, we disagree.
I think it's great.
I think it's really bad.

(02:40:45):
Well, I'm pretty sure that no matter what
is going to be applied, they're going to
apply it to the Second Amendment now.
I don't understand that at all.
We have a history and tradition of having
guns.
But the Second Amendment protects our gun rights.
Why do you need a test of it?
Well, why do we need to have any
conversation about the First Amendment?
It doesn't say you can't hang the Ten

(02:41:07):
Commandments in school.
I agree.
That's what I said to begin with.
I didn't think the First Commandments were even
remotely religious.
Because our Constitution has been distorted by nut
jobs throughout history, throughout legal history.
Yeah, so they end up with this new
test, the new rules and history test or
whatever the hell it is, so some guy
can pray in the middle of the football

(02:41:27):
field and see who's not there with him.
Not good.
Whoo, let's take a break and do some
Real News, everybody.
I'm ready for it.
And now, back to Real News.
Something has Justin Trudeau smiling.
But is it a budding romance with a
singing star?
As so many are wondering.
The new super couple is Katy Perry and

(02:41:49):
former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
TMZ broke the news the two were seen
dining out on Sunday night in Montreal.
Then on Tuesday night, Trudeau was front and
centre at Perry's concert.
It caused an online furor of discussion and
speculation.
This was actually a really great brand and

(02:42:10):
reputational move.
His public relations agent says both Trudeau and
Perry have seen some reputational damage in recent
years.
Trudeau, well, he's no longer Prime Minister after
resigning amidst plunging support for the Liberal Party.
And Perry's album sales have gone down with
each subsequent release.
Her stint as a would-be astronaut with

(02:42:32):
Jeff Bezos blue origins fizzled.
Many called it tone deaf.
It makes her brand feel a bit more
grounded.
And for him, it, I feel, makes him
look...
Hold on, stop the clip.
So she's going out with the kind of
the ex-Prime Minister of Canada, Trudeau, who

(02:42:56):
is obviously Fidel Castro's kid through an illicit
relationship with his dad's mom.
And this guy who's up the creme de
la creme of the crop of whatever kind
of elitists there are in Canada, and this
makes it grounded?
What he got is, I think he got

(02:43:18):
a shut-up president.
Like here, you can have a presidential model.
She's obviously MKUltra.
Well, now that you, hold on.
You got to be, that's got to be
clear.
A friend of mine was one of her
friends, and I think he was part of
her management team at one time.
Really?
I know the guy really well.
And she admitted to him, and he couldn't

(02:43:40):
believe this, but she admitted to him that
she'll do anything to be as famous as
she can.
Oh, that was a clip.
That wasn't a friend of yours.
No, no, I'm telling you, this is a
friend of mine who told me this story.
He said he knows her very well, and
she was basically programmed to sell herself out.

(02:44:02):
Yeah, she used to be a Christian.
So MKUltra, bringing MKUltra into it is quite,
it doesn't, I would not, if somebody had
put some, showed me some evidence of this
right in front of me, I wouldn't even
remotely be surprised.
No, it's just, I mean, she even goes

(02:44:23):
on stage now dressed as a robot.
She has MKUltra written all over her.
She does.
So I think they needed to keep him
quiet.
It's like, here, take our presidential model.
That's an interesting theory.
It's the only thing that makes any sense.

(02:44:45):
How'd they even meet?
At lunch, on Tinder.
At lunch over at Starbucks.
On itsjustlunch.com, I don't know.
Itsjustlunch.
That's a very popular one amongst the ladies,
the single ladies.
Yeah, looking for free food.
No, a lot of the single ladies here,

(02:45:06):
you know, they got money, and their husband
died or, yeah, usually died.
I mean, they go on itsjustlunch.com to
find a man or millionaire men.
There's all these kinds of outfits, and they
usually wind up really happy.
Good for them.
Yeah, yeah.
I heard another good one.

(02:45:27):
What was it?
Ah, the latest.
Does Fredericksburg Gossip?
Yes.
We love it.
It goes like this.
Prepare to be blindsided by everything.
One of my family members, high-ranking position
in the military, just told me.
There's your giveaway.

(02:45:48):
Listen, we don't have much time.
I can't give you details.
Things are moving fast.
The elites are getting into their bunkers.
They're moving supplies.
They got systems that they're checking, haven't been
touched in years.
Something big is coming.
Oh, yeah.
And I've been told to make sure my
own family is ready, so I can't explain
anything else.

(02:46:08):
Look, I'm just giving you advice.
I don't know if it's days, weeks, or
months, but it's going to put the entire
upper chain on edge.
You'll need food, water, cash.
And by the time they sound the alarm,
it's going to be too late.
So make sure you're ready.
I had a – I saw a clip
of this.

(02:46:28):
I didn't take it for the show.
I should have.
It was the same thing.
It's going to take place.
By the way, I got the date.
East Coast.
I heard East Coast starts East Coast.
It's going to be August 31st.
Oh, yes, August.
So you got that part, which is going
to be kind of step right on the
September 15th blackout.

(02:46:49):
Yes.
So there's that.
You have to worry about that, which is
going to be a dud.
Yeah.
Which brings us to some TikTok clips.
Well, I've been waiting for you.
Okay, I want to start with a third
copy of the Canada Complainer.

(02:47:12):
By the way, this will be the final
clips before we go to our second thank
you segment.
Okay, I got three clips in it.
They're good.
But let's start with the Canada woman.
She's in Canada bitching and moaning because this
is a big deal to the Canadians and
nobody's doing anything about it.
They can't go in the woods.
They can't go in the woods.
Here's the new reason, by the way.

(02:47:33):
Oh, I think I know.
I think I heard this.
So let me get this straight.
Three provinces in Canada have banned people from
going into the forest because of fire danger.
And if you don't comply, you could face
up to $150,000 in fines and jail
time.
So effective today, new fines will range from
$50,000 to $150,000.

(02:47:55):
And imprisonment in default of payment will increase
from three days to up to six months.
A government that can bankrupt you and send
you to jail for going into the forest?
That doesn't sound like a government that is
built to serve you.
That sounds like a government that thinks they
own you.
So when a forest lockdown happens near you,
ask yourself, is this for your safety and

(02:48:16):
the climate?
Or does it have something to do with
lithium mining?
You know, the mineral that is used in
electric car batteries that when it catches fire,
thousands and thousands and thousands of gallons of
water to put out.
And let's not forget governments granting corporations the
right to mine on public and private lands
for the greater good.
And they can still mine during the fire

(02:48:36):
restrictions.
But what do I know?
I'm just a conspiracy theorist.
Oh, I hadn't heard that one.
We're back to the lithium mining.
Isn't that interesting?
I thought that was a good clip.
That's interesting.
I mean, I'm sure that they need to
do lithium mining because that's going to be
their only gig by the time Trump's done
with everything.
But I didn't expect that.

(02:48:58):
Interesting.
It is kind of outrageous.
It's totally outrageous.
It's not fire danger.
It's like if there's a fire, we can't
save you, so therefore you can't be in
the woods.
Like, all right.
Normally you can't be saved half the time
if you get lost in the woods anyway.
Yeah.
It doesn't make sense.
Although there does seem to be an inordinate

(02:49:19):
amount of rescues of people lost in woods,
on trails, writing help on a rock.
Have you noticed that?
It's been happening a couple times.
I noticed a trend.
It's a trend.
It's a trend.
You might be right.
Okay.
So, I got two more.
I want to play this.
I think I'll play the Starbucks girl.
Where's Amazing Polly, by the way?
What happened to her?

(02:49:40):
I'm going to look into it.
I mean, she seems to be off the
radar.
I sent her a note some time back
and I haven't heard from her.
Hey, baby.
Are you on itsjustlunch.com?
So, this is the Starbucks girl and she's
complaining about losing her support drink.

(02:50:02):
Her emotional support drink?
Her emotional support drink.
Oh, goodness.
I know it's really dumb, but I just
went to two different Starbucks.
Hi, welcome to Starbucks.
Let me get started for you today.
Hi there.
Do you guys have the summer berries still?
We don't.
I'm sorry, please.
I'm just desperate to find it.
Yeah, everyone is supposed to technically be out
of it by now.

(02:50:22):
It's the worst day.
I really want my emotional support drink.
I got laid off a month ago, but
they gave me 30 days notice so that
I could keep working, which I really appreciated
because I needed the income.
My last day is on Friday and I'm
having to go to work every day this
week at a job that I'm already laid

(02:50:43):
off from.
I've worked at this place for five years.
It's just a small thing, but I was
just going to comfort myself tonight.
I don't drink.
I'm sober, so I don't go to the
bar when I don't feel good.
I go to Starbucks and it just feels
like we should get some warning when something's

(02:51:05):
going to be disappearing because some of us
depend on it.
And they were asking me, do you want
anything else?
They were like, we still have the popping
boba.
We can put it in something else, but
I don't want it in something else.
I only want it in the summer berry.
And so I just told them I didn't

(02:51:26):
want anything and I drove away.
I don't have anything.
I don't know what to do.
I'm right at Whole Foods, so maybe I'll
go into Whole Foods and try to find
something.
Okay, well, I call bullshit on this one.
Really?

(02:51:46):
You're always so serious about these things.
Here's the reason.
One thing, it was a two-camera shoot
the way she did it with the cut
in.
She had a two-camera shoot?
What?
Wait.
It was a two-camera shoot, basically.
This is a Starbucks ad.
Emotional support drink is silly.
And then she says, I got laid off,

(02:52:08):
but I'm still working for a month.
So she's working until her last day, and
then none of it makes sense.
Well, why do you even play this then
if you don't think it's true?
Because I enjoyed her trying to act.
Now, this next girl, this is the last
one.
This is a girl who is one of
those.
I know people like this who do this
sort of thing.

(02:52:28):
She's one of those, and it's usually women
who like doing this, somebody that is making
life miserable for one of these callers, these
solicitors that call you on the phone from
India.
So I'm going to tell you what it
is, because visually you don't get any more
than you would from what I'm going to

(02:52:49):
say, which is she takes a call from
some guy who wants to get her credit
card number, and then she plays.
She says, I'm in the car.
I'm going to pull over, and then she
plays a recording of a car crash, claims
she's been in a car crash, and hilarity
ensues.
Can you please give me your credit card
number so I can help you?

(02:53:10):
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Let me just pull over because I'm driving,
all right?
Yeah, sure.
Can you hear

(02:53:31):
me?
I can hear you.
I just had a car crash.
It's going to be all right.
Don't worry about it.
Do you have your credit card in touch?
But I just had a car crash.
I'm bleeding.
I just need your credit card number, that's

(02:53:51):
all.
All right, there you go, everybody.
That is the state of the world according
to John C.
Dvorak's very limited worldview.
I'm going to show my support by donating
to KnowAgenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

(02:54:13):
Yes, indeed.
Who said that?
Pfeiffer.
That clip was the sound of Fonzie jumping
the shark, John.
Come on.
That's where you were.
Oh, man.
It's just, I mean, okay, after three hours.
After three hours, it's okay.
I'm bleeding.
What's your credit card number?

(02:54:35):
Tip of the day coming up in the
show mixes.
We do have a lot of meetups actually
taking place.
That'll show you, you naysayers, that meetups are
still going strong.
And we have some title changes.
But first, John's going to thank the rest
of our financial donors, our supporters who sent
us back value, $50 and above.
Yeah, starting with, again, right at the top

(02:54:55):
of the list, there's our buddy Dame Rita
in Sparks, Nevada, $108.14. She comes in
from, she's a Stripe.
Yes.
Dakota Cole in Sherwood, Oregon, $100.
She has been begging for a, I don't

(02:55:16):
know if Dakota's a man or a girl,
begging for a rain stick pointed at Portland.
No.
Nope.
We are not touching the rain stick.
We're not doing that.
Not touching the rain stick for a good
while.
And it's going to rain there anyway.
It's starting to rain in the Pacific Northwest.
It's raining here.
I'm not going to touch that thing.
Nope.
I love it when people say, hey man,
did someone touch the rain stick?

(02:55:37):
No.
Yeah, we got that the other day.
And we do not touch the rain stick.
No, we don't touch the rain stick.
Julie Williams doesn't either.
She's in Huntington Beach, California.
She came with $100.
Steven Ritchie in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, $93.64.
And this is a congratulations on the wedding
anniversary.
Oh, nice.
Belated.
Steven Veraker, Veraker, Veraker, Veraker, Veraker, Delray Beach,

(02:56:01):
Florida, $93.64. And he's a de-douching.
You've been de-douched.
Sir Darius Unity, which sounds like a science
fiction character.
Rocky Mount, North Carolina, $89.42. We've got

(02:56:23):
a whole bunch of notes in here for
some reason.
I don't know.
Let's see if there's anything there we need.
Victor Gregg in Corvallis, Oregon, $88.88. That's
another anniversary donation.
The belated, but still worthwhile.
Jared in Edwardsville, Illinois, $84.38. Kevin McLaughlin,

(02:56:45):
there he is, $8.008. He's a lover
of America.
Archduke of Luna, lover of America and lover
of melons.
And he says, God bless America, boobs.
Yeah.
Paul Castorell in Portland, Oregon, $8.008. Castorell.
Okay, Castorell.

(02:57:06):
Yeah, that would be it.
Sir Herb Lamb, there he is in Sugar
Hill, Georgia.
He always comes in with $8.008 once
in a while.
Always once in a while.
Sir Becoming Heroic in Sharerville, Indiana, $68.86.
Even though John is confused by my bouncing

(02:57:26):
BBB donation.
B88B boob donation.
Bouncing boobs.
Yes.
Oh, that's what this is.
Yeah, $68.86 is bouncing boobs.
Hello?
I saw the sad puppy.
In text format.
Okay.
He did that, but okay.
Cameron Linga, North Branch, Minnesota, $67.89. $67

(02:57:50):
.89. Nice.
Baroness Carol Ann in Pueblo, Colorado, $68.00
for their 68th birthday.
What, you missed?
No, no, $66.00. Oh, $66.00. I've
already made her older.
Thanks.
Way to go.
$66.00. Jeffrey Montagna in Phoenix, Arizona, $65

(02:58:11):
.80. Norman Walls in Red Deer, Alberta, Canada,
$63.25. And he says, down with hackers.
Anonymous, $60.06. Arjen de Jongst in Werner,

(02:58:33):
Deutschland.
Arjen de Jongst.
That's a Dutchman.
No, it's German.
Is it?
You sure?
Well, it says D-E.
Oh, D-E.
Deutschland.
$58.32. It's a microchip donation in honor
of the NE5532 audio op amp.

(02:58:55):
Hmm.
I think that's national semiconductor enumeration.
I could be wrong.
Sir JubJub.
Sir JubJub in Elkton, Florida, $57.98. He's
back to donating.
Christopher Dechter, $56.78. Stephen Neumann of the

(02:59:17):
Microphones, St. Louis, Missouri, $55.00. Time to
ditch mail, chimp.
We'll talk about that for a second.
Yeah, okay.
Zachary Jude in Minneapolis, Minnesota, $55.00. Linda
Terry, New Hampshire, $55.00. Luke Monell in
Los Angeles, $52.72. David Fugazotto, our buddy

(02:59:40):
in Gladstone, Missouri, $52.72. Duke Pure Energy
Wellness in Portland, Oregon, $52.72. Stephen Bowles
in Fort Collins, Colorado, $52.72. These are
all $50 donors with the added fees.
Sir John in Heber Springs, Arkansas, $52.72.
John Montauk in Fremont, California, with a birthday,

(03:00:03):
$52.72. And then Anonymous in Rome, Texas,
$52.71. Don't do that.
Wow.
I'm sorry.
No, not you.
I'm talking about him adding the fees.
Yeah.
And then getting it past the $49.99.
No, no, $49.99. No, your secret is

(03:00:26):
safe with us, Anonymous.
Christian Grulash in Winter Haven, Florida, $51.50.
Beat that chimp.
Try ConvertKit.
He speaks in riddles.
Well, something about the male chimp and ConvertKit
may be something better than the male chimp.
Oh, that's what it is.

(03:00:46):
Looks like a native ad to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Smells like ketamine to me.
Marius Uv.
Oh, God, I can never.
This is Marius.
Good old Marius.
Marius Uv Nagel.
Nagel in Norway, $50.50. Well, I'm glad

(03:01:06):
that we hear from the Norwegians once in
a while.
Matthew Dropko, $50.11. Oh, this is a
good one.
Hold on a second.
11 years sober donation.
August 6, 2025 was 11 years.
Thanks for Noah Jenner for being part of
keeping me sane and sober every year of
that.
Congratulations, Matthew.
Dropko's one of our regulars.

(03:01:26):
He's always sending us notes.
He's a producer.
And we're very happy for you.
Congratulations, brother.
Viscount, Sir Economic Hitman, $50.01. He's in
Tomball, Texas.
And now the rest of these are $50
donors, a little more than last week, say
the least.
Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia.
Tim DelVecchio in Blandon, Pennsylvania.

(03:01:47):
Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California.
Patricia Dame, Patricia Worthington in Miami Beach, or
Miami, Florida.
Sorry, that's different.
Brandon Savoie in Port Orchard, Washington.
Kevin Dills in Huntersville, North Carolina.
Diane Schwannbeck in Johnsburg, Illinois.
Carl Vogler in Dillon Beach, California.

(03:02:08):
And last on the list is Harry Klan
in Aledo, Texas.
We got a lot of Texans today.
We do.
And I want to talk about the newsletter
before we say thanks to everybody.
Okay.
So I go to MailChimp.
Which has been our go-to tool for
over a decade.
Yeah, and it works.
It keeps track of things.
It does a pretty decent job, even though

(03:02:30):
it's dropping out recently.
So I go there, and you put in
who you're going to send this to.
You click the button.
It immediately sends you an error message saying,
you got your Google Translate.
It's turned on.
What?
What?
It's in your browser.
Google Translate.
So I try again, try it again.
I try it, do test mailings, nothing.

(03:02:50):
It keeps coming up with the Google Translate
thing.
I'm not even on Google.
I'm not using Chrome.
No, but what are you using?
You're using Firefox or Bravo?
Yeah, I use Firefox.
And so I call.
Wait, do you have a widget thing installed?
No, there's nothing going on.

(03:03:10):
No extension?
It was them from the get-go.
Okay.
So I call customer support, and they have
good customer support.
They call me back.
Even though they didn't call me back right
away like they said.
So they call me back, and I, yeah,
can I help you?
And they say, what's your problem?
And I told them what it was, and
they know what the problem is because as
soon as I explained it, she says, oh,
well, yes.

(03:03:31):
This is a problem.
We've got admin working on system level.
Oh, we've elevated this to our tech superior.
No, they've been working on it.
Before I called, they could have cut the
call short, and they said it's going to
take an hour or two at least.
So, but in the meantime, because they didn't

(03:03:52):
call back right away, turns out that their
module that sent plain text out, which is
different, worked fine, and it took the mailing
list and everything.
So I sent out a plain text message
saying the newsletter was borked.
Meanwhile, so I get a bunch of notes
from people.
Well, I didn't get the newsletter, and it's
like, I'm sorry, and they go on and
on.

(03:04:12):
They didn't read the letter.
The letter says clearly that it would not
send the newsletter.
So I got a bunch, I had to
deal with people that said, well, the reason
the newsletter didn't come is because of this
and that.
And no, it's because they were screwed up
at the front end.
MailChimp couldn't send it.
My favorite is I get all kinds of

(03:04:33):
notes from people who then try to email
you and say either I got the email
or whatever they want to say, and they
get a rejection from your email server saying
rude content, illegal person, blacklist, reject, reject, reject.
And then they get mad at me.
Like, rude.

(03:04:53):
Yeah, I get mad at somebody.
Well, your email system is horrible.
I can whitelist people that have problems.
Well, you can't whitelist people if they can't
get to you.
That's true.
Actually, you can.
You can do it by hand.
Yeah, but you don't know if they're trying
to get to you, if they're rejected by
your overzealous spam filter.

(03:05:15):
It's a little aggressive.
I'm not going to argue that point.
A little aggressive.
I'm like your secretary.
Okay, I'll forward another one.
Well, you finally found a niche.
Okay.
Anyway, so I have a specialist prop.
Sorry about the, you know, and every time
I do send out two of these things
instead of one, you know, people unsubscribe.

(03:05:36):
I unsubscribe.
There's too much stuff in my mailbox.
ConvertKit, man.
That's the answer, obviously.
I'm going to look into it.
Yes.
Thank you to these producers who have supported
us, $50 and above.
Again, thanks to the executive and associate executive
producers for episode 1790.
And as always, we will not thank anybody
under $50 for reasons of anonymity.

(03:05:59):
So $49.99. Don't add the fees, otherwise
we can get in trouble.
And as always, thank you to all of
these sustaining donors who just keep on donating
small amounts regularly, automatically.
It's a sustained donation.
Any amount, any frequency.
We appreciate it.
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(03:06:23):
We got three on the list today.
Sir Rekhalston Crazy Steve.
The second wishes Sir Montauk a happy 45th
birthday.
He'll be celebrating tomorrow.
Bill turns 40 on the 16th and Baroness
Carolann of So Calorado turns 66 on August
23rd.
So of course we say happy birthday from
everybody here at the best podcast in the

(03:06:44):
universe.
And we see two of our producers move
up the peers ladder.
Thanks to an additional aggregate $1,000 in
support.
It is so appreciated.
Sir Furr now becomes Sir Furr Baron of

(03:07:06):
Shasta County.
And Sir Camera Chris, he sent us this
note and he said, you know, I should
have been upgraded to Baronette on Sunday's show.
You guys got my birthday.
And yes, John, I'm sorry to make it
complicated.
I just know sometimes like to know about
the numerology.
You guys nailed the birthday, but I should
have been upgraded.
He said, by the way, this was not
an angry voice, but I can't help myself.

(03:07:28):
And so, but you know, you, it is
a self-serve system.
So you have to let us know if
you've been upgraded.
We don't track that.
We can't even track a male chimp for
Christ's sake.
So no, please.
Sorry about that.
Please let us know.
And just because we did not, even if,
even if we forgot to upgrade you, there's

(03:07:50):
no such thing as a black Baronette.
It can be a black night and that's
when we really screw it up.
And it's always very obvious that when that
happens.
So congratulations, Sir Camera Chris, you became, or
you become Sir Camera Chris Baronette Baylor.
And that's about all I got for you.
But we appreciate it, ma'am.
Wear that new title with pride.

(03:08:12):
No nights, no dames, but we do have
a couple of meetups.
In fact, quite a few meetups to discuss.
No Agenda Meetups.
Clearly John has a new noisemaker.
I don't know who gave it to you.
Mimi gave it to me for the anniversary.
Ah.

(03:08:33):
It's only train noises.
That's a good wife right there.
Trad wife.
Train wife.
No Agenda Meetups is where you can find
the first responders in an emergency in your
area.
Connection is protection.
And you find that at a No Agenda
Meetup.
These are producer-organized.
They're completely free.

(03:08:54):
You all get together.
You yak.
You talk.
You have a good time.
And you meet some friends.
You make new friends.
I mean, why spend money on a dating
app when you go to a No Agenda
Meetup?
And we have a few taking place.
In fact, one today, the Northern Wake Broiling
August Meetup, 6 o'clock at Hoppy Endings
in Raleigh, North Carolina.
I don't think they ever send us a
Meetup report, yet they have a lot of

(03:09:15):
them.
So please do so.
On Saturday, the No Agenda Mid-Cities Meetup
at 1130 in the morning.
But hey, it's at Bourbon Street Bar and
Grill in Bedford, Texas.
So hey, get ready for it.
And then we have the 5th Annual Central
Texas Float Meet.
I should actually think I have their promo.
I have their promo here.
Yes, let's play the promo.

(03:09:36):
Take me down to the river.
I can hold your body close to mine.
This is Baron Scott.
And Sir Ducifer.
It's time again for the 5th Annual Central
Texas Float Meet, set for Saturday, August 16th.
Now we're going to start this thing at
the 72-degree Springfed San Marcos River.
Then we will move the party over to

(03:09:57):
Ivers River Pub overlooking the river in the
heart of San Marcos.
Go to No Agenda Meetups for details and
to RSVP for both the morning 3R float
and the afternoon Meetup.
Remember, connection is protection on the river.
Take me down to the river.
There you go.
So it's really two Meetups.
You start in the morning at 1030 at

(03:10:19):
the Texas State Tubes in San Marcos, and
you float all the way down to Ivers
River Pub, and then they have a Meetup
there at 3 o'clock.
It's always good.
Sir Ducifer is going to be there, and
so is Baron Scott of the Armory.
Also on Saturday, the Fort Wayne 33 Dadgum
Sealed Indictments, August 1st, August Meetup, 1 p
.m. at Hall's Tavern in Coventry.
That's Fort Wayne, Indiana.

(03:10:39):
And on Saturday as well, Week 33, Orazund
Meetup.
That's the one in Copenhagen at Mikkele Baghaven
Ref's Hulluhulluhulluhullun is Fair Vignügen.
And that's our buddy, Paul Pierdeman.
He's a Dutch guy who lives in Copenhagen.
I'm looking forward to that Meetup report, gentlemen.

(03:11:00):
And finally, on the 17th, Sunday, that's our
next show day.
Wow.
There's a lot coming up in just a
few days.
The Local 360 Meetup, 11 o'clock in
the morning in Blaine, Washington, at 277 G
Street.
Be there or be square.
Thank you for organizing these.
If you feel like it, do a report.
We love hearing it.
Include your server.

(03:11:21):
And for all the information about NOAA Genuine
Meetups, where to find one, where to go,
what to do, go to noagenuinemeetups.com.
If you can't find one there, start one
yourself.
It's always easy in a party.

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It's always like a grand party.
I think I actually might have some contenders
for ISO, end of show ISO for today's
show.
Oh good, because I only have one lousy
one.
Only one and it's lousy?
Why did you even bring it to the
show?
But it could be good.
It might be good.
All right.
Should we play yours first?
Yeah, sure.
Or insert code happy before checkout.

(03:12:14):
Oh no.
AI slop.
No, no, no.
That wasn't AI at all.
Oh, you're telling me that wasn't AI?
Then you just got duped.
That's AI.
No, that was not AI, because the guy's
voice, he does a show on NPR.
Insert.
Oh goodness.
He's got that slightly gay voice that NPR

(03:12:35):
guys have.
Yeah, slightly.
Here's mine.
Cut one.
Cut one.
Boy, it's not a podcast.
It's a platform.
Okay.
I like it.
It's too long.
Yeah, it's a little too long.
It was a lot of fun.
Oh brother.
Here we go.
They talk more than I do.

(03:12:58):
This is our new...
I couldn't hear it.
Well, maybe you can hear her in this
one.
Ooh, he's a podcaster.
Oh, you couldn't hear it, huh?
They talk more than I do.
I think that one will have to do,
but if you can amp it up a
bit, it wouldn't hurt.

(03:13:18):
Oh, it's already quite amped.
You didn't like this one.
Boy, it's not a podcast.
It's a platform.
Okay.
Let's use that.
I thought that was kind of good.
I like that one.
Hey everybody, it's that highlight of your show.
It is time for John's tip of the
day.

(03:13:42):
Well, I've got a product that was brought
to my attention by somebody in a chat
room.
No.
Chat room or troll room?
I don't know what to call them.
But it was some...
I forgot where it was.
Fusenet.
There you go.
Fusenet.
And they claimed it was, you could use

(03:14:03):
this stuff.
And we did some research.
Mimi and I both did some research on
this in various Reddit forums and elsewhere.
And it turned out that this, what I'm
about to tell you is bullcrap.
Oh, okay.
But the product is still a good product.
The product is Rust-Oleum 214944.

(03:14:25):
It's a number.
You have to know that number.
Specialty reflective spray.
Semi-transparent, clear...
Oh, wait.
Let me guess.
You spray this on your license plate and
the camera can't see it?
At night.
Ah, I knew it.
When it splashes, when it hits the flash,
when it flashes, it'll black out the camera.
It reflects so much.

(03:14:47):
Well, many plates in some states are already
reflective.
And so that's bullcrap.
And it turns out it's a bullcrap thesis.
It doesn't work.
And it definitely doesn't work during the day.
What kind of tip is this?
What's the tip?
It's a great product.
You can spray it on anything that needs...

(03:15:07):
If you're a bicyclist, you spray it on
the back of the bike.
It's clear.
It's transparent.
So it's like a clear coat.
And you spray it on anything you want.
And it reflects like a...
It's just amazing.
It lights up the street.
It's so reflective.
It's a terrific product for it.
You paint your mailbox or something if you're

(03:15:27):
in some road where...
Your dog?
Can you do it on your dog?
You could spray paint your dog.
You could.
I don't think the dog would appreciate it.
But you could spray paint the collar.
You could spray paint the back of something
if you're a jogger.
There's a lot of possible uses for this
Rust-Oleum 214944 specialty reflective spray, semi-transparent

(03:15:50):
clear finish.
I'm going to get some for Tina.
Thank you for this.
Dynamite product.
Because she does a walk every morning.
She gets up and before anything, she goes
out for a walk with her weighted vest.
And she goes out for half an hour.
And I said this morning, I said, you
know, pretty soon it's going to be dark.
And I don't want you walking out there
alone on the street, you know, in the
dark.
Not for...

(03:16:10):
I mean, she's packing, so you don't want
to mess with her.
But, you know, cars.
And so this would be a great thing.
So I can spray paint my wife and
she'll be safe.
Well, you can spray paint the back of
the pack she's wearing or whatever.
You can spray paint different things with it.
But you have to follow instructions.
And the key to success, by the way,
you have to be careful with all these
kinds of sprays.
Oh, yes.

(03:16:30):
The key to success.
You got to shake the crap out of
it.
You have to shake, shake, shake because it's
a bunch of little glass beads that have
to be dispersed within the paint structure.
So you got to shake it a lot
before you use it.
Shake before use, everybody.
Find all of them at the tip of
the day, not at John's tip of the
day.

(03:16:55):
Well, everybody, if that doesn't get your week
started off just dandy, I don't know what
does.
That's perfect.
It's the end of the week.
Well, it's starting for people that, you know,
now we're ready to go.
We're getting ready for tomorrow, man.
That's what you do.
Meanwhile, if you're listening there in the troll

(03:17:18):
room on your modern podcast apps, you can
just keep on listening.
DH unplugged is coming up next.
I have not heard this one because I
think I turn it off when you start
moaning about Bitcoin was supposed to be a
hedge.
How does that work?
I'm like, okay, all right, boomer.
I'm turning it off.
Well, I'm still wondering.
You're wondering.
Yes, you're wondering.
That's for sure.

(03:17:38):
So that's coming up next on no agenda
stream.
We have end of show mixes from sound
guy, Steve and certain Ned would all about
the Putin meeting.
And as always, we will return on our
next show day, which will be Thursday.
We look forward to seeing you then coming
to you from the heart of the Texas
Hill country, right here in Fredericksburg, Texas.
It's so picturesque in the morning, everybody.

(03:18:00):
I'm Adam Curry from Northern Silicon Valley, where
I remain and the weather remains crappy.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Remember us again at no agenda donations.com
and we'll see y'all here on Thursday.
Until then, adios, mofos, hui hui, and such
all aboard.

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