1799 - "Taproot" - No Agenda Show

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So they're bombing the public relations department.
Adam Currie, John C.
Dvorak.
It's Sunday, September 14, 2025.
This is your award-winning Give My Nation
Media assassination episode 1799.
This is no agenda.
We've got the magic number and we're broadcasting
live from the heart of the Texas Yellow
Country here in FEMA region number six.

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In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Currie.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where wait, the
roommate was a trans named Twigs.
What?
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
This is Crackpot and Buzzkill.
In the morning.
Yeah.
This whole thing smells bad, Mr. Dvorak.

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Well, I know a couple of things that
are obvious.
Fox.
I have this clip from this morning I
sent as a bonus clip.
Okay, you got it.
They are avoiding this topic like the plague.
Foxes?
Yeah.
I don't think it's going to last long,
but Howard Kurtz's show, he does a kind

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of a clone on the media.
He's like one of the media guys.
He comes on once a week.
Oh, okay.
Deconstruct the media.
Does he do that on the weekend?
I don't think I've ever seen him.
Yeah, only weekends.
Okay.
It's like Sunday only.
I don't even think he does a Saturday
show.
Okay.
And so it kind of came up in
the conversation.
Man, this is the clip TG.

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They went so far.
They just said they just dropped this like
a hot potato.
Nobody wants to talk about it at Fox.
Megan, do the media need to know this?
Whether the report is that he was rooming
with a transgender person, or is that just
something to glom onto because then we can
blame it on the other side?
I said earlier, all Democrats are out for

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murder, that kind of like painting with a
broad brush.
I don't necessarily think we need to know
the murder.
I think he was mentally unstable, and I
think he committed murder, which is horrendous and
unnecessary on a basic level.
But I think that we're always going to
find people who don't like our views, whether
or not they're moderate, whether or not they're
left, or whether or not they're to the
right.
I got a threat on Friday.
I'm a very moderate Democrat who comes on

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Fox, who comes on all the stations.
Yes.
And it's very moderate.
I should not be getting threats in my
social media, but we do.
I'm sure you get them- But you
have on this- Literally on Friday.
I'm sure you get them, and we all
get them.
I don't care what their motives are.
They shouldn't be violent.
It shouldn't matter.
You should have the freedom to say what
you want to say.
That's the end of story.
That's our democracy.
I think this is a part of something

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else.
I believe that all of the networks on
all sides of the same spectrum, as they
all are really, have all gotten the message,
we've got to calm it down because we're
all somehow responsible for this.
And you don't want to get fired because
people are getting fired left and right.
Right now only left, but I think right
is coming.

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And the media has gotten some message to
tamp it all down and not blame it
on a side.
At least that's what it seems like to
me.
Well, you know, the funny thing out here,
it's kind of just completely dissipated from the

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whole thing is gone.
Oh, yeah.
No, I mean, I'm looking at the quad
screen and Fox is talking to Mike Johnson
for the past 48 hours.
Wow.
That's got to be high entertainment.
Oh, I have a couple of clips from
this morning.
I mean, the guy's making the rounds.
But before we do that, everybody was waiting

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for Saturday.
You know, we had the, oh, you know,
the FBI.
You got a press conference 20 minutes late.
We're looking at the empty stage.
We've got a, we got the four minute
warning.
We got the two minute warning.
Okay, it's coming.
And then we got this.
In 33 hours, we have made historic progress
for Charlie.

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Wow.
In less than 36 hours.
33 to be precise.
You know, that is.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
There's one more good.
No.
Yes.
Yeah.
Let me play all three.
Just so you get it all in context.
These are in linear fashion.
In 33 hours, we have made historic progress
for Charlie.

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In less than 36 hours.
33 to be precise.
Bad stuff happens.
And for, for 33 hours.
Why the laughter?
I was.
The laughter from the governor of Utah was
the weirdest one.
As he turns around and looks at Cash

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Patel and says for.
Bad stuff happens.
And for, for 33 hours.
What is up with that?
This was Tina comes in from the bathroom.
She's like, what is going on?
I'm like, well, for almost 18 years.

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We've been tracking this and we can't now.
All of a sudden, no avail.
Well, true.
But it's always, always something up with this.
And what was the emphasis?
You could have said in less than 48
hours, a little over 24.
Less than a day and a half.
No, 33, 33, 33.

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This bugged me to no end.
Actually, the best of the group was he
said 36 and then he corrected it to
33.
Yes, in less than 36, 33.
To be exact, and which is bullcrap, because
we all know anyone who's ever worked for
a living or done anything.
You can't pinpoint, you know, your, your success

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at a certain number of exact hours to
be exact.
That's not even possible.
No.
So this was, so that's code.
Of course it's code.
And all of the stuff that's coming out
and the information that's from sources, because mind

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you, I don't think there's been an official
FBI.
Notice has it, has this person even been
officially charged yet?
Because on Saturday, Kash Patel was very clear.
We have 36 hours to file charging documents.
So this person hasn't even officially been charged
as far as I know.

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The whole thing stinks.
We were at, there was a big benefit
concert last night for, you know, for the
flood victims.
Trace Atkins performed, if you've ever, if you've
never seen Trace Atkins, man, that guy's good.
But the, my buddy, Mike, the, the sheriff,
he was, you know, in charge of a

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lot of the security there.
And he's, and he came right up to
me, he said, Adam, we, you know, I
guess they may have some inside knowledge.
I don't know if Gillespie County Sheriff's office
gets that or not, but he said, she
is unlikely, but okay.
They talk, you know, people talk.
And so whatever talk there is, I'm just

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passing it on.
He says, one, no way.
He says, no way this went down the
way they're saying it.
And then another thing which I found curious,
he says, we've got a video with, with
audio of two shots.
That I'm like, okay, well send, he hasn't
sent it to me yet, but I said,
send it to me.
I'd love to hear that.

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Well, it could also be, it could be
a ricochet, it could be an echo, but
it's not like these guys don't know what
that sounds like.
So the whole thing was, everything's off about
it.
And you know, it just, you know, we've
got the etchings on the casing, which we
still have not seen.
We've only heard about it.
And we have, where's the photo?

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Exactly.
At least with the other guy, they showed
us, you know, his video showing all the
etchings and commentary.
They showed it and put it online.
Almost like that was predictive programming.
You know, it's like, well, it'll be just
like that.
You saw it, you saw it with that
other guy.
So, you know, it's the same here.
Hey, the whole thing is just.

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Well, it's one of those things we can't
do anything about except note it.
Well, because we don't know.
No, no, but it, but it leaves, it
leaves so much open.
And I think that's exactly the point.
Yes.
I mentioned that in the newsletter today or
yesterday, which is that this is good.
This could lead, especially if something happens to
this character.

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Oh yeah.
How there were screwed.
How likely is that?
I'd be stunned.
Yeah.
And so we'd be stuck with this kind
of speculation forever.
This is like a real time sink.
What's interesting about this particular case is the

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amount of stories coming out about people getting
fired for their response online.
And I just, I just pulled one story
from Ohio, which actually has three stories in
it.
Just because you have a computer or phone
handy, doesn't mean you can say whatever you
want.
Monroe Falls City Council Vice President John Empolizari
is feeling the heat after post-criticizing Charlie

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Kirk saying in part, quote, the world is
a better place now that he's gone, end
quote.
And 19 News has confirmed a Cleveland firefighter
and EMS staff member are under internal investigation
after the city was made aware of social
media activity.
Cleveland attorney Danny Karen says the first amendment

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protections are not limitless.
There are certain restrictions on the first amendment,
but as it concerns kids, teachers, whomever popping
off, council people popping off online, saying awful
incendiary things, not real smart.
Why?
Because a lot of us have codes of
conduct or codes of ethics that control our
work experiences.
You may be surprised to learn it does

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not matter if you're a government employee or
work for a private company.
By the way, all the reports are similar
to this.
It's like they keep talking about this thing
called free speech, which I'm not sure what
that is.
It's just, you know, what used to be
called freedom of speech is now just free
speech.
Like you don't have to pay.
It's like a podcast.
It's free.
You don't have to pay for it.
It's free, free speech.
And that this is that kind of turning

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it into a debate about, you know, well,
I have the right to say whatever I
want to say, which is ludicrous.
But the reason this is interesting is these
city council people, other officials, like in the
fire department, people at schools.
The reason they said this stuff is because

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they clearly thought everybody agrees.
This is what's so eye opening.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Can you not hear me?
No, it was my fault.
I, you know, this thing goes, it mutes
itself.
I was just going to say in that
list of people that you're talking about, you
know who else got nailed?
Who?

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George Conway.
Oh, really?
Interesting.
George Conway posted a picture comparing Charlie Kirk
to some Ugan Nazi from the 30s and
had a picture of them side by side.
And he's just getting blessed.
And this is, you know, I, every time
I see this character, who's just a lunatic.
How did he ever hook up with Kellyanne

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Conway?
Who's a power baby, political power.
He had political power at the time.
That's what it was.
But, but she was an idiot.
But let's just go back to the, to
the point I'm trying to make here is
that they clearly thought it was okay to
post this, whatever, whatever the post was, you
know, it varied from, you know, oh, well,

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yeah, he said that some victims would have
to fall for, for defending the second amendment
to good riddance, all these.
But I, I'm convinced that these people truly
believe that everybody around them had the same
opinion.
But wait, wait, you had a thing about
pre-programming earlier in your commentary here.

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Yes, yes.
How about Luigi?
There you go.
There's the pre-programming because everybody was all
in love with Luigi and then nobody got
burned for it.
Exactly.
Ah, very good point.
Very good point.
Huh.
Isn't that interesting?

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Well, and these guys are getting really the
libs of tic-tac girl.
Yeah.
She has been posting one teacher because she,
you know, she really goes after teachers, one
teacher after another who have posted some nasty
stuff and, and names the school and everything.

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Well, well, she always finishes with the same
line.
Do you want this person teaching your children?
Doesn't that prove the point that the entire
education system believes that this was okay?
This is okay.
Everybody agrees.
Hey, if you could come back and kill
baby Hitler in a time machine, wouldn't you
do it?
Well, sure I would.

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Which brings me to the supercut.
I've got a better one than the one
we just kind of hastily patched together on,
on Thursday.
This is primarily MSNBC.
Primarily.
But it's, it's not just talking heads.
It's, you know, the guests.
It's, it's, it's captains of industry.

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Of course, Nancy Pelosi's in there as well.
And when you listen to it in this
context of just a supercut, you go, well,
yeah, of course I would come back and
kill baby Hitler and Goering and Goebbels and
every single one of the, of the Hitlerjugend,
which, well, listen.
We have to start calling his supporters, supporters

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racist as well.
That MAGA, uh, had that MAGA symbol has
come to represent something.
It is the new Nazi symbol.
It is the new, uh, could.
Because they're not a party, right?
They're Sinn Fein to the IRA.
They're, they're the PLO to Hamas.
They're a dime storefront for a terrorist movement.
The Republican party is basically a domestic terrorist
cell at this point, and they should be
treated as such.

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There are elements of the GOP that are
starting to look like the jihadists.
Not a political party.
They're a white nationalist movement.
They're a fascist threat to our nation.
That's not hyperbolic.
That's academic.
Would have once seemed hyperbolic, but it increasingly
does feel like the Republican party has become
a death cult.
And it's all about Donald Trump.
There is no alternative right now because the
Republican party project today is a fascist authoritarian

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project.
Fact is, Republicans in Congress are still in
the grip of the ultra-MAGA agenda.
Party of dupes, party of knuckleheads, party of
weirdos, party of freaks.
That is a simple, simple message.
And underneath that, it's the party of nothing.
It has become an authoritarian embracing cult.
It is fascist.
We take an oath to protect and defend

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the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
And sadly, the domestic enemies to our voting
system and our honor and our Constitution are
right at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with their allies
in the Congress of the United States.
Trump's modern-day Giscopo is scooping folks up

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off the streets.
They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped
off to foreign torture dungeons.
No chance to mount a defense, not even
a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye.
Just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into
those vans.
The old films of the Gestapo grabbing people
off the streets of Poland, and you compare
them to those nondescript thugs who grabbed that

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student, that graduate student.
It does look like a Gestapo operation.
Because if we just roll this clock on
the wall back 75 years, we'd be looking
at a time in Nazi Germany, where people
ran around with signs like this new ICE
sign that says report all foreign invaders to

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ICE.
With Uncle Sam there holding up the sign.
This could have been a Gestapo member 75
years ago.
Report all Jews.
Bolts of authoritarian personality in league with autocrats
and kleptocrats and dictators all over the world.
They're taking direct aim at our democracy.
Autocratic-leaning remarks he has made in recent
weeks and months, such as ones that echo

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Hitler.
Hitler in 1933 was talking about his designs
on America.
And Hitler described you could get Americans to
give up their own democracy and to be
ready for a fascist takeover.
It's a disaster.
We need extreme measures.
Now, it's not that all the kids in
the world are watching MSNBC, but you know
every single teacher is.

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Because remember the liberal school teacher from Austin
who we used to hang out with, who
we don't anymore?
She watched MSNBC religiously.
It was her church.
So this is what's happening.
Yeah, well that's why they had to, that's

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why Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast who
owns MSNBC, had to spin it off.
Yes, he wanted out.
By the way, I have the Fox, actually
this might have been the last moment that
Fox News talked about the trans part of
this story.
Breakout.
A Fox News alert, FBI sources tell Fox

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News Digital that the man charged with assassinating
Okay, so the FBI sources, FBI sources, who
do they call?
Fox Digital.
Really?
That's who they call?
Wouldn't they be calling Hannity?
No, we're calling, hey boys, let's leak some
information.
Let's call Fox Digital, yeah.
A Fox News alert, FBI sources tell Fox

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News Digital that the man charged with assassinating
Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner.
Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson was in
a romantic relationship with someone transitioning from male
to female.
They say that individual is fully cooperating with
their investigation, claims to have had no idea

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of Robinson's plans, and is not currently accused
of any criminal activity.
Oh, thank you very much for that update.
I want to hear some of the, I
know you have some anal quips.
I think I can predict a quote from
that trans woman when she, he, they, I

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don't know what her pronoun is, nobody told
me.
The first thing she said was, you did
what?
Okay.
It's going to ruin that person's life, it's
going to ruin the family.
The family of the kid.
Luna is the person's name.
Luna.

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I thought it was Twigs.
Well, no, that's the online, I don't know.
Who cares?
Luna Twigs.
Yeah, Lance S.
Twigs, also known as Luna.
And by the way, big mistake in this
whole thing, sorry to say it, but why
doesn't Tyler Robinson have a middle name?
This is not a good, this is not

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a, we're missing a middle name.
33 motif.
Yes, you have to have a middle name,
three, which means three names.
We got to have the middle name.
So something's up here.
You want to just hear some of the
morning shows since we got them from this
morning?
This is all the latest.
Most of my stuff is the analysis clips.
Which is important.
I want to play those afterwards.

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I want to hear the morning shows.
I'm sure we're gems.
Here's ABC this week.
This morning, the New York Times is reporting
that in the hours after Charlie Kirk's murder,
his alleged gunman, Tyler Robinson, was messaged in
a group chat by an acquaintance jokingly questioning
where he was, suggesting he resembled the man
police were looking for.
According to the Times, Robinson responded that his
doppelganger was trying to get me in trouble

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while making other jokes about the manhunt, including
saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.
ABC News has not independently verified those messages.
Authorities announced the- By the way, do
you hear that insert?
Hey, hey guys.
Listen, you just said that.
We need to add a little disclaimer there
that we haven't independently verified what the New

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York Times said, please.
Because you never know, it could be bullcrap.
Including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.
ABC News has not independently verified those messages.
Authorities announced- Did you hear the insert?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You could hear it.
It was a flip in.
The arrest of 22-year-old Tyler Robinson
on Friday.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
We got him.

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But until his capture, the suspect had been
an unknown man in grainy surveillance images.
Images, authorities say, were recognized by the suspect's
own father.
A family member of Tyler Robinson reached out
to a family friend who contacted the Washington
County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had
confessed to them or implied that he had

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committed the incident.
Authorities tell ABC News hundreds of investigators stitched
the alleged gunman's path from the moment he
drove onto campus at 8.29 a.m.
on Wednesday.
TMZ obtaining this video, appearing to match the
description of the shooter, who police say appears
to walk with a stiff right leg.
And that his ability to bend his right
leg appears to be restricted.

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Law enforcement sources tell us investigators believe Robinson
was hiding his long gun under his clothing.
And at some point, authorities say he changed
into the outfit seen in photos released during
the manhunt and climbed up a campus stairwell
to a roof at about 11.50 a
.m. And then he's seen dressed in a
black cap, sunglasses, and a black shirt emblazoned
with an American flag and an eagle.

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Yeah, missing everywhere is him reassembling a gun
that was either in his backpack or walking
with a four-foot-long rifle with his
legs bent up the stairs.
I mean, the FBI showed a picture, apparently
it's an FBI picture, with the scope mounted
in, according to our experts, the wrong spot.

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It's just like the whole thing, the 33s,
that got me right away.
Yeah, the 33 is a problem.
Since TMZ was mentioned in there, I didn't
get any clips of this, but I should
have.
There's a couple out there that are good.
Harvey's, you know, TMZ, I think, is owned
by Fox.
And Harvey turned pale white and came out

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and did a thing.
Because during the announcement of the death of
Charlie Kirk, There were tears, tears.
The staff, and this has been posted over
and over again, showing the exact timeline.
Time codes, I know, the internet sleuths are
on the case.
I'm telling you, the online sleuths are unbelievable.

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So they had the time codes, the things
all synced up, and they obviously were cheering,
because exact same moment that they had made
this announcement.
Harvey came on later in the show and
said, though it was because they were watching
the police chase.
Police chase, yeah.
And it was bullcrap.
And he was not, he was shook.
He says, we wouldn't have people working here

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that would do that.
When in fact, he's like a Trump hater.
And so he's only going to hire other
people of like mind.
And it's just, it's pathetic.

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Into position on the roof, then lay down
in a sniper position, about 175 yards from
the stage.
One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering
a question.
Now listen to the edit on this.
You think Fox didn't want to talk about
the trans information?
Listen to how they added this one.
One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering

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a question about gun violence.
Police say the suspect fired.
Do you know how many mass shooters there
have been in America over the last 10
years?
They're not zoning gang violence.
Great.
They pulled out the whole trans shooter thing.
Wow.
Pulled it out.
Pull it out.
That is deceptive and not news.

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This is ABC this week.
From this morning.
That is, that is.
Disturbing.
It was more than that.
It is disgusting that they can't even present.
I don't know.
It's annoying.
Let's listen to the man of the day.

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Mike Johnson appearing everywhere.
Don't worry, Mike.
Mike's okay though.
The burdens of speakership are always manifold.
You know that previous speakers I've covered know
that.
But they feel particularly heavy after the events
of this week.
I just want to ask you, Mr. Speaker,
how are you doing?
I'm doing okay, Major.
Thanks for asking.
No question.
It was a difficult week.

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It's so hard for me.
For the country, certainly.
He had a throat.
He had a cough tale too.
Let's listen to that again.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
How are you doing?
I'm doing okay, Major.
Thanks for asking.
No question.
It was a difficult week for the country.
Certainly, it was felt on Capitol Hill.
There's a mixture of, you know, anger and
sadness and fear, frankly, on the part of

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a lot of people.
It cast a large shadow across the country
and the nation's capital.
But what I do know, Major, is that
my good friend Charlie would not want any
of us to be consumed by despair.
He would want us to go forward boldly.
That was his message.
And to do it in love.
And I think that, I hope, is the
message that continues in the days ahead.

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Yeah, this is interesting.
So we're getting—well, actually, you'll hear in the
next two clips that now all the politicians
are very concerned for their safety.
Mr. Speaker, you mentioned the word fear a
moment ago.
It is on the lips of members of
Congress in ways I've never experienced before.
They are talking openly.
They already have canceled events.
Other members are talking about whether or not
it's proper in their family conversations to seek

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reelection.
This is—that's a great way to honor Charlie,
to cower.
That's a great way to do it, cower
and not show up in public.
That honors Charlie Kirk's memory.
Very good.
How do you feel this particular space of
anxiety for your membership, Republican and Democrat?
Space of anxiety.
Wow.
Yeah, well, I've been talking with a lot
of them over the last few days about

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that and trying to calm the nerves to
assure them that we will make certain that
everyone has the level of security that's necessary,
that the resources will be there for their
residential security and their personal security.
We're evaluating all the options for that.
But I think if we all adopt these
practices together and we turn down the rhetoric,

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we cease with this idea that policy disputes
are somehow an existential threat to democracy or
the republic.
We stop calling one another names.
I mean, calling people Nazis and fascists is
not helpful.
Look, there are some deranged people in society.
And when they see leaders using that kind
of language so often now, increasingly, it spurs

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them on to action.
We have to recognize that reality and address
it appropriately.
And I'm heartened to know, Major, and to
see that many of my colleagues on both
sides of the aisle are stepping up and
saying that and addressing it.
I think this could be a turning point,
frankly, to use Charlie's term for the country.
And I hope that's true.
You know, I will tell you that if

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this is what I think it may be,
which is part of a larger operation to
sow discord in the United States, to get
people to hate each other even more than
they already did in our country, I would
be looking more towards other very big conservative
voices.
If I were any of those big podcasters,

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that's who should be careful.
Well, that's interesting you say that because Tim
Poole was on Jesse Waters.
Yeah, you got a clip?
I had a clip.
Did you have a clip?
I should have got the clip.
I have a lot of clips, but I
can't get every clip that...
No, no, no.
You can just tell us what he said.

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I, of course, did not see this.
So what did he say?
He said he has a contingent of bodyguards
and he's had them for quite a while.
He went on and on about it.
I mean, he was actually quite...
I should have recorded it now that I
think about it because Tim Poole was quite
erudite in discussing this and it would be

(28:36):
worth recording.
But he did mention in the process that,
yes, he talked about the security that Kirk
had.
He says he's got the same security because
he's under a constant threat, I guess.
Does anybody care that much about Tim Poole?
I'm thinking bigger than Tim Poole.
I don't want to name names.
I know, but I'm just saying at the

(28:57):
Tim Poole level, you have this.
I don't know who bigger would be Joe
Rogan.
He's the biggest.
You know, you've got Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson.
You've got Candace Owens.
Yeah, Tucker's up there.
You've got people up there.
You know, if this is what I think
it is, we'll get to that much later.
But first of all, we've got to blame
it on something.
What?

(29:18):
I'm in that camp.
I don't see this as being anything more
than it is.
No, that's fine.
That's fine.
I just have ideas and thoughts.
But first, we need to blame it on
something.
This is still CBS face the nation.
Going to take a closer look at the
problem of political violence in America.
And we're joined now, I'm glad to say,

(29:39):
by University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape.
He's the founding director of the Chicago Project
on Security and Threats.
Now, listen to this guy, because his numbers
are all over the place.
Professor, it's great to have you with us.
Thanks for joining us.
What are the trend lines and what is
the key terminology you want my audience to
understand?
We are now in a watershed moment, what
I call the era of violent populism in

(30:03):
America.
This era is defined first and foremost by
two factors.
Trump and Trump.
Number one, a rising tide of political violence
on both the right and the left.
Our center at the University of Chicago Project
on Security and Threats, we have been conducting
highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the

(30:25):
support for political violence among Americans for over
four years.
Stop the clip.
So who is he to say out of
the blue, highly reliable political survey?
Oh, it gets better.
It gets much better in this.
I mean, yeah, immediately.
That's to me, it's a red flag for
a guy who's full of shit.
Of course.
Our center at the University of Chicago Project

(30:45):
on Security and Threats, we have been conducting
highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the
support for political violence among Americans for over
four years.
We started this in the summer of 2021.
Our most recent survey in May found higher
levels of support for political violence on both
the right and the left than we have

(31:06):
ever seen.
OK, hold on.
He's had this highly reliable information for four
years.
And now the information shows it's worse than
we've ever seen.
But he wasn't surveying anything before four years
ago.
No, the evidence is just the opposite, too.
I mean, I went through the 60s and

(31:27):
70s where you had you had unbelievable political
violence.
Besides, you know, it's starting.
It actually started with the death of Kent,
with the assassination of Kennedy, the assassination of
RFK, and then the assassination of Martin Luther
King, who is a high highest order guy
you can kill.
There was Huey Newton was killed in Oakland.

(31:48):
And there was a bunch of Larry Flint,
the publisher of Hustler magazine, was shot.
And George Wallace was shot in Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan was shot.
George Ford, Gerald Ford was shot or shot
at twice.
And you ended up with over a thousand

(32:09):
bombings in the 70s.
And this is what we're seeing now.
This stuff that's going on now is worse.
Are you kidding me?
Well, we can all blame it on one
obvious thing.
Does your research buttress the point that both
Senator Lankford and Senator Coons made, which is
the Internet is an accelerant and an amplifier?
It's an accelerant, but it's not the root

(32:31):
cause.
So studying this problem now for five years,
I found that just as around the world,
big social change, it drives political violence.
We see this in other countries around the
world.
But the details of the change vary.
We are now moving for the first time

(32:51):
in our country's 250 year history.
OK, what are we moving towards?
Come on.
We've got to blame it on something.
What can we blame it on?
What are we moving toward in our 250
year history?
First time in 250 year history.
From my perspective, we're moving toward nothing different.
But I could see that somebody who's a
lunatic that's been studying this four years, as

(33:14):
you said earlier, then he suddenly says five
years, which I find interesting contradiction, probably fascism.
No, much simpler.
Come on.
Simpler.
Here we go.
Populism.
No, no, no.
Here we go.
From a white majority democracy to a white
minority democracy.

(33:35):
It's racism.
In 1990, we were 76% non-Hispanic
white.
Today, we're 57% non-Hispanic white.
It will be another 10 years, maybe 15,
if we deport a lot of those undocumented
illegal immigrants before we make the transition to
a truly white minority democracy.

(33:55):
Well, this generational change has happened, it started
about 10 years ago with a real tipping
point generation and corresponds with the rise of
Donald Trump.
Why his issue of immigration is meteoric.
Why it's morphed from immigration, meaning stop people
crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers
of people because there are people on the

(34:16):
right who want to stop or reverse this
and also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump
on the left.
This guy is an agent.
Parts of the left who want to keep
this going.
This is really the taproot.
And that's why we need to expect this
left to its own devices will get worse
and be with us for 10 years.
I've never, the term taproot is funny.

(34:38):
It's a, it was a.
No, that's a debt.
That's not a term that's used in academia.
That is a term that's used someplace else.
That's a milieu term that's used some places.
I don't know where we can probably find
it.
You know, if we do enough research, it
could be an Intel term.
We don't know.
Well, the only other place I've ever heard
taproot is it was an addition to Bitcoin.

(35:03):
Um, about seven years ago that enabled the
lightning network.
And it was called taproot.
Uh, when we asked the computer, should we
ask the computer?
Oh, I think she needs to.
Yes.
I think this is a great addition to
the show.
Except for the fact that there's a, there's
a lag.

(35:23):
Well, I'm going to try the way this
lag is not as bad.
That old lag you used to have with
that other device.
Well, that was when I was still using,
uh.
That was, that was terrible.
Okay.
Uh, error.
What is, what is the origin of the
term taproot?
It comes from botany, describing a plant's main

(35:45):
root that digs deep like a taproot, while
others branch out shallowly.
First used in the 17th century, think tap
as in a spout or peg, implying something
central and piercing down.
Not related to modern taps like faucets though.
So it's a botanist.
That's did suck.
I think it's the question was asked poorly,

(36:07):
by the way.
So JC was at dinner recently and he,
who was very deeply involved in all this.
He had, he had told me the three,
there's three huge flaws that everybody in the
business knows about AI.
And one of them, which I thought was
the, I don't remember the other two.
I'll get them and write them up.
But, but the one of them that it

(36:28):
was the most fascinating to me is that
they can't learn from the questions or the
corrections you make to them.
Oh, no, of course not.
That wouldn't imply memory.
They have their, their corpus and they use
that.
And you say, no, no, that's not true.
You know, what, what you should know is
that I'm actually, to tell him, say about
yourself, I'm actually the inventor of podcast.

(36:50):
Oh yes.
Okay.
You are.
They'll say that back to you, but then
it won't go back into the corpus.
If they don't learn that they'll have the
same bogus answers later.
It can't go into the corpus because that
has to translate into tokens.
And that costs a lot of compute, compute
way too much money, massive compute.
So there's no interaction whatsoever in a real

(37:10):
sense.
So tap roots though.
Anyway, well, maybe one of our, maybe a
spook term.
Oh, hold on.
Hold on.
You can ask the question.
Hold on.
Ready?
Go.
What is the use of the term tap
root in the intelligence community or other social
networks?

(37:36):
Oh, wow.
Wow.
We got nothing.
It wouldn't answer it.
Okay.
That that's odd.
I don't know what to say.
You want to try it again?
Yeah, I'll try it with, I'll reword it
a little bit.

(37:58):
How is the word or phrase tap root
used in the intelligence community or other social
networks?
It's literally not registering you, John.
Well, maybe it's not being fed to her
properly.
Well, let me see.
How is the term tap root used in
intelligence or other networks?

(38:21):
Tap root pops up in intelligence and network
context too.
Borrowing from the plant idea, a hidden central
root feeding everything else.
In cyber ops, it's slang for a covert
command hub in espionage nets, like a deep
undetected node coordinating spies or malware.
Some sources link it to blockchain privacy upgrades

(38:41):
on Bitcoin.
Wow.
Okay.
Well, that's interesting.
Yeah.
So it's, so it is used in Intel
and that guy, and it's not, I know
it's not used in academia.
So that guy is something else.
He's something else.
All right.
Well, you spotted it.
Yeah.
Tap root.
It's like, cause that's, I've heard it in

(39:02):
the context of Bitcoin.
Okay.
So now we have to listen to what
exactly that guy said again.
Hold on a second.
Uh, it was somewhere here.
Let's listen.
And that's one of the reasons why I
ran a and may found higher levels of
support for political violence on both the right
and the left than we have ever seen.
And that's one of the reasons why I

(39:23):
rang the alarm bell with that big op
-ed in the New York national surveys on
political violence, the support for political violence among
Americans for over four years.
Uh, we started this in the summer of
2021.
No, sorry.
It's number this.
This is the clip now.
And now I want to know.
You know, change has happened absurd about 10
years ago where the real tipping point generation

(39:43):
and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump.
Why his issue of immigration is meteoric.
Why it's morphed from immigration, meaning stop people
crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers
of people because there are people on the
right who want to stop or reverse this.
And also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump

(40:03):
on the left on parts of the left
who want to keep this going.
This is really the tap root.
And that's why we need to expect this
left to its own devices.
What do you make of that then in
that context?
I, I don't know.
It's just almost like code.
Yeah.
He's using it casually, which is, which is,
that's the weird thing.

(40:24):
Yeah.
He's, yeah, that's because it's in his milieu.
It's a casual word that actually means a
lot to that group.
Well, maybe we don't know.
We're not in that group, so we don't
know what it means.
He could just be a botanist for all
we know in his spare time.
He's not a botanist.
He's gardening.
He's not a botanist.
And he is.
And he is intelligence of whatever, whoever with.

(40:46):
I mean, there's so many now who can
tell, but it's, it's.
How about this?
That's a globalist opinion that needs to be
rooted out of our intelligence community.
There you go.
All of them.
There you go.
So I want to get to, I have
two more and then we'll get to your,
your analysis clips.
This was a cute idea.
I appreciated it.

(41:06):
Everyone was tagging me, sharing this.
I'm like, we need to just explain once
again what this particular act was and how
this is a misunderstanding of it to, to
some degree.
President Trump, as a supporter who voted for
you three times, I am hoping and praying

(41:27):
that you will revisit what Barack Obama and
Joe Biden got rid of back in 2013,
which is the Smith-Mundt Act, which held
news corporations accountable for lying to the American
people and spreading propaganda instead of truth.
Okay.
That's the problem.
The Smith-Mundt Act did not hold news
organizations accountable.
I saw this too.
The Smith-Mundt Act was specifically forbidding the

(41:50):
American government from propagandizing its own people.
And the biggest perpetrator of this was the
Voice of America group, the Broadcast Board of
Governors, i.e. Tucker Carlson's dad's position back
in the day.
And the, it got put in, the, the

(42:11):
act was reformed, i.e. struck as a
part of the National Defense Authorization Act because
we could no longer, the, the way the,
the, the wording was is we can no
longer propagandize the rest of the world if
we're using the internet because invariably we're going
to be propagandizing Americans.

(42:33):
Now, that doesn't, in no way to the
ever, can it ever, should it ever stop
news organizations from doing whatever they want to
do, right?
On the sideline of that, I will say
that looking at Operation Mockingbird, obviously, if you

(42:54):
have government agents functioning inside your organization, which
is where all this came from, ultimately, because
they were writing the stories, they were for
CBS News, they were writing every, they were
writing the stories for Newsweek, etc.
I think it was Newsweek.
So, obviously, when you let on a whole

(43:15):
bunch of these ex-agents, ex-intelligence officer,
ex, you know, generals, when you let them
on the air and let them do their
thing, obviously that's propaganda, but it's not really
the news network.
So, you know, and it's, honestly, it's very
un-American and unconstitutional for people to be

(43:37):
calling to hold the news agencies to account.
That's bullcrap.
And this whole thing was, this little pitch
by this girl, went on and on and
on about it, completely misleading, and it was
reposted by Trump himself, or at least whoever
does it.
Well, of course, it's what you do, it's
a troll.

(43:57):
But it is a bad, it's a misdirection,
if ever there was.
It's bullcrap.
Yeah.
So, because people got all excited.
Yeah, man, you guys talked about Smith-Munn,
yeah, this is what he's talking about, then
bring it back.
But that's, you can't.
I know, it just kills me that it's
so easy.
But she does this, she's almost like a
pro.

(44:18):
She's non-descript, you know, kind of non
-descript, you know, plain Jane.
And she's presenting it in a very reasonable
fashion, and it's just BS.
Yeah, I'll come back after your analysis clips
with some Chris Coons stuff.
But I just could not resist because they

(44:39):
did an emergency pod.
We have to do an emergency pod right
away.
Emergency pod, everybody.
Here we go with the liberal intellectual elites
of Pivot.
Officials say Robinson made incriminating statements to relatives
and sent discord messages about retrieving a rifle
from a drop point.
Investigators also say they found messages on the

(45:03):
ammunition, the bullets.
Who said investigators?
No, you just heard sources, Kara Swisher, great
journalist that you claim to be.
From a drop point.
Investigators also say they found- No investigator
has said anything.
Great journalist that you are.
A rifle from a drop point.
Investigators also say they found messages on the

(45:24):
ammunition, the bullets, including anti-fascist slogans and
references to video games and online memes and
also an anti-gay remark.
Robinson is a registered voter in Utah but
doesn't have a party affiliation.
His family seems to be Republican, Christian, gun
-oriented, as many people in Utah are.

(45:44):
Are you gun-oriented?
What, they own a gun shop?
No, what's a new type of gender?
I'm gun-oriented.
Scott, what are your initial thoughts when you
heard about this suspect?
Well, my initial thoughts are how disappointed Representative
Mace, President Trump, and Jesse Watters might be
that it's not a transgender woman with blue
hair working on immigration for AOC.

(46:05):
That was your first thought, hmm.
Exactly.
They have all promised us in exchange for
this needless death that they were going to
declare war.
And so my question is, are they going
to declare war on young white heterosexuals?
Has anyone, did Jesse Watters declare war?
He just declared war.
Well, they said- In fact, the response,

(46:26):
I think, is pretty well put by the
guy who was the governor of Utah.
Everyone's calm.
It's not like what happened with George Floyd.
No, no, they're going to declare war.
All promised us that in exchange for this
needless death that they were going to declare
war.
And so my question is, are they going
to declare war on young white heterosexual men
who come from Mormon families who traditionally have

(46:48):
voted Republican or gun owners?
So the notion somehow that they are trying
to pin this on, quote unquote, the radical
left is just so insane.
It's eminently clear this kid was online, deeply
and unfortunately online.
Deeply online.
I would say.

(47:08):
There are two obvious common sense solutions that
unfortunately cost a lot of money or diminish
the shareholder value of key companies that are
driving our entire economy and get in the
way of the political narrative of special interest
groups in charge right now.
The first and most obvious solution is that
Australia and the UK just don't have cultures
that much different than us.
The last time they had a mass shooting,
they put in place sensible gun control.

(47:30):
What do you know?
No mass shootings.
Since Charlie Kirk.
You know what's amazing?
Somehow Scott Galloway, who lives in the in
London currently and clearly knows what's going on
in Australia.
He doesn't see the knives, the machetes, the
zombie knives.
Are you kidding me now?
Did you see the the girl who was

(47:51):
slaughtered on the train?
Was that a gun?
No.
Okay.
Mass shootings.
Maybe that's what he's looking at.
Mass shootings was murdered.
More people have been shot and killed in
the US and will be shot and killed
in the UK over the next year.
The UK will lose 30 people.
He says we shot and killed.
Are you shooting and killing people over there,
Scott?
Charlie Kirk was murdered.

(48:12):
More people have been shot and killed in
the US and will be shot and killed
in the UK over the next year.
The UK will lose 30 people to gun
violence in the next 12 months.
We lose 120 people a day.
That's a lot.
If you want to take down political violence
and all gun violence, you just have to
have sensible gun reform.
Okay.

(48:34):
Yeah, that's it.
That will do it.
Sensible.
Sensible gun reform is new.
Sensible.
Yeah.
All right.
That's probably a new one.
They're going to you're going to hear it
again.
Sensible gun control.
Yeah, we'll put it in the book.
All right.
You got some analysis.
Well, first, let's start with just the NPR
overview clip.
This is Kirk killer NPR.
Okay.

(48:54):
The 22 year old man accused of killing
Charlie Kirk is being held without bail in
Utah.
And as Steve Futterman reports, Kirk's widow made
her first public comments hours after escorting his
body home to Arizona from Utah.
Erica Kirk blamed what she called evildoers for
the death of her husband.
The movement my husband built will not die.

(49:14):
It won't.
I refuse to let that happen.
Since Tuesday's killing, there have been vitriolic debates
in public and on social media between supporters
and opponents of Charlie Kirk.
The governor of Utah, Spencer Cox Friday, urged
people to take a break from social media.
The tone, he said, must calm down.
This is our moment.

(49:35):
Do we escalate or do we find an
off ramp?
It's a choice.
Investigators are still trying to determine if some
specific thing triggered Tyler Robinson.
He will be formally charged next week.
All right.
He will be charged.
Okay, so now I've got two series here.
The one is Robinson, the killer.
And this, I believe, is from NPR.

(49:57):
And this you start with Robinson, the killer
analysis.
NPR man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is
being held without bail at a Utah jail
today.
Twenty two year old Tyler Robinson allegedly fired
the single shot from a high powered rifle
that on Wednesday killed the conservative activists and
media personality known for his appeal to young
people.

(50:17):
Police arrested Robinson Thursday night.
Steve Futterman joins us from outside the Utah
County Jail in Spring Fork, Utah.
Hi, Steve.
Hi there, Scott.
So Robinson is being held where you are
now.
Officials said yesterday they don't believe anyone else
was involved.
Is that still the case?
Yeah.
Yes.
However, like any investigation, authorities want to go

(50:37):
through things like Robinson's cell phone, any computers
he used, and they want to speak with
those who knew him.
Now, yesterday, officials said that Robinson had expressed
negative views about Charlie Kirk and one of
those unused bullet casings had the words, hey,
fascist catch written on it.
But if the motive was political, like it
appears to be to some officials want to

(50:58):
know if there was something that pushed Robinson
over the edge.
Last night we heard from Charlie Kirk's widow.
Tell us about that.
Yeah, that's right.
Erica Kirk spoke on a live stream for
around 15 minutes.
She spoke from Phoenix, from the same studio
that Kirk often used for his podcasts.
Now, at times, her voice cracked.
She dabbed her eyes on several occasions.

(51:19):
But her main message seemed to be that
Charlie Kirk's movement will continue.
And Erica Kirk blamed what she called evil
doers for the death of her husband.
And as police try to figure out Tyler
Robinson's motivations, people who knew him, people in
his hometown are taking this all in.
What are we hearing from them?
Yeah, absolutely.
He lived with his parents in the small

(51:40):
southwest Utah town of Washington with a population
of around 30,000.
It's not far from the city of St.
George.
We have not heard, at least at this
point, any neighbors describe him as odd or
acting strange.
People who knew him have told reporters Robinson
wasn't necessarily part of the cool kids in
high school, but he was well liked and
a good student.

(52:00):
OK, a couple of things.
One, now he lives with his parents, according
to NPR.
So that's it.
And also that there's never been a disparaging
comment, which we heard plenty of.
Yes.
And the second one, just on a sidetrack,
I watched Erica's live stream.

(52:23):
I think that if she can, you know,
how many times have we seen it where
you have a big movement and the leader
gets taken out and the movement dies?
And of course, I saw that in the
Netherlands with Pim Fortuyn when his party won
posthumously as he was assassinated two weeks before
the election in Holland, in Holland of all
places.

(52:44):
And of course, the movement became just, you
know, without him, it fell apart.
If Erica steps up, I think that I
think Turning Point USA actually has a chance
of continuing.
She's she's got something there.
She can really do this.
Maybe.
But I think your other example, which is
more common, the thing just kind of slowly

(53:04):
deteriorates because when you have a charismatic leader
that is not only charismatic, but is a
organizational genius in my, at least that's the
way I see it.
It's pretty tough.
And the problem with with Charlie Kirk is
not what he was saying.
The problem was people were listening.

(53:26):
That's the problem.
And to get people to listen to someone
the way they listen to Charlie Kirk, that's
tough.
That's going to be tough.
Yes, that charisma is a big piece of
it.
Melissa Tate, a neighbor of the Robinson family,
told our colleagues at member station, KUER, that
she worries events like this are becoming more
and more normal.
This is everywhere, every community, every town, every

(53:50):
state.
It's going to be everybody's neighbor, everybody's classmate.
It's not at all unusual anymore.
And of course, it was Robinson's father who
initially confronted his son, telling him that he
thought his son was the one being shown
in pictures released by police.
Now on the Utah Valley University.

(54:10):
Do we even know that, by the way?
That still is not.
I mean, I've seen nothing official about this.
And I haven't heard any comments.
But if you recall, the early moments was
like a minister.
A minister had.
Although it was a friend of his.
He was one of his buddies that talked
to the minister who then talked to him.

(54:31):
And then he was going to kill himself.
And the minister talked him out of it
and said, you got to turn yourself in.
Then now somehow that completely disappeared from the
narrative completely.
Yep.
Shown in pictures.
To the dad.
Yep.
Released by police.
Now on the Utah Valley University campus where
Kirk was killed, there's a sense of relief
today that someone has been arrested.

(54:52):
But Raymond Lopez, a nursing student, says there
are still plenty of concerns.
My and a lot of our peers, our
biggest fear is retaliation or something happening again.
Class has been pushed off till Wednesday.
I will say that I did sign the
petition for him not to come because I
thought it was going to incite violence.
Sadly, I think that is what happened.

(55:13):
You know, I just had another thought because
I got tons of thoughts going through my
head about this ever since the 33.
I'm like, OK.
How many times have we seen the FBI
itself radicalize someone online for a year, two
years hyping them up, getting them ready, getting
them bomb materials, et cetera?

(55:35):
Perhaps just on an off chance.
What if, you know, let's hype this kid
out?
He'll never he'll never hit.
He'll never with that rifle.
He'll never hit the mark.
It'll just be a warning shot.
And that could also funny because there was
some guy on one of the shows that
said this because there was an argument going

(55:55):
on between these people.
So there's a professional hit, which we kind
of thought it was a professional hit.
And the other guy says there's no chance
it was a professional hit.
That guy was just a lucky shot.
Well, show me the forensics.
Show me the cartridges with all these etchings
on them.
Show us anything.
One woman that was an ex Intel person,

(56:16):
she says what's bothering her is they have
yet.
Did they ever find the bullet that hit
Kirk?
She says no one's ever discussed the bullet.
Where is it?
It's a mess.
If this was it sounds like a typical
botched FBI op.
To be honest, this is like, oh, we
left too many loose ends.

(56:37):
I don't know.
Well, there's a lot of loose ends.
There's a lot of loose ends on this
one.
That's why I wonder if this guy's going
to live through this process.
Well, he's in this and they already dropped
the bomb.
You know, again, I'm going to bring it
back to pre programming.
In the early reporting that said that the
minister had to come in because the kid
wanted to kill himself.

(56:57):
Ah, yeah, you're right.
Well, he's in a special holding cell where
you can't kill himself.
You know, yeah, right.
He's got cameras.
No worries.
No worries.
No one can get in or out without
us seeing it.
No worries.
It would be it would be a tidy
way to end this whole thing.
It would definitely make it less messy.

(57:19):
Yeah.
I think there's a third clip here.
So is it fair to say that now
at the Utah University campus, there's a growing
memorial with flowers and the next event we're
waiting for is Tyler Robinson to be formally
charged.
That's expected on Tuesday.
At that time, he will make his first
court appearance.
That is Steve Futterman in Spring Fork, Utah.
Thank you so much.

(57:39):
Okay.
Does he have a lawyer?
Where's the lawyer?
Don't they don't usually have a lawyer out
there saying something?
No point.
I hadn't thought of that.
Now we have a series of clips that
are about is expert on polarization.
And these are not necessarily they stem from
the shooting, but they're more kind of standalone.

(58:01):
Interesting.
And they're called polarization WTF, which means I
thought they were interesting.
That's John's John speak for.
Wow.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's fabulous.
That's fabulous.
Fabulous.
That's fabulous.
Yes, that's what it means.

(58:21):
That's it.
All right.
Here we go.
Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the
polarization and extremism research innovation lab at American.
Wow.
Hold on.
This is where they make it up.
The polarization research and innovation lab.
Are they coming up with new ideas here?
Yeah, this is on PBS and just ran
yesterday.
Wow.

(58:41):
Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the
polarization and extremism research innovation lab at American
University.
And she joins me now.
Cynthia, looking at the pattern of violence in
recent years, what fits into that pattern from
this and what might be new?
Well, we've been seeing rising political violence, rising

(59:02):
hate fueled violence for several years now.
We're at a level that we haven't seen
since the 1970s.
And over the last couple of years in
the US in particular, we've seen rising assassination
attempts and assassinations as a tactic within that
political extremism.
And that's also been happening overseas.

(59:22):
So, you know, I think it's it was
to be expected that political assassinations would continue
if we weren't able to tamp down the
rhetoric.
To be expected to hear those words is
really quite stunning.
But you are the one doing the research
and you're talking about the rhetoric, which is
a big part of the conversation right now.
How much is rhetoric responsible for political violence

(59:44):
and especially that moment where someone isn't just
expressing anger, as we see online everywhere, kind
of a toxic culture online?
How much does political rhetoric influence someone to
move from saying words to doing something violent?
Or does it?
Yeah, I mean, one of the things we've
seen, and I said this a year ago
after Trump, the first assassination attempt against President

(01:00:07):
Trump was that it was only a matter
of time with the kind of rhetoric that
we see that we were going to get
to political assassination.
So, you know, that's what I mean by
expected.
It sounds very cynical, but it was very
predictable, you know, shocking, but not surprising is
the way that that I think of it.
Well, I just look this group up.
I don't know if you had time to
do that.
But the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation

(01:00:30):
Lab is an acronym.
Peril.
Peril.
Perilresearch.com.
Their initiatives include gendered violence, anti-Semitism, community
advisory resource and education centers, i.e. CARE,
and VEER, the violent extremism education and resilience.

(01:00:53):
Let's look at some of their most recent
articles.
August 18th, been a month.
Meme coins and misogyny.
What the dildo throwing trend at WNBA games
can teach us.
August 12th, CDC shootings highlights risk of public

(01:01:14):
health misinformation.
July 29th, why Manosphere content is appealing to
some young men.
My goodness, the fact that these people have
money, are funded.
Yeah, by the USAID.
Yeah, they should have a podcast at minimum.

(01:01:34):
Meme coins and misogyny.
That'd be a great podcast.
I'd probably listen to it.
Meme coins and misogyny, everybody.
Yeah, meme coins and misogyny.
That's a show title.
That's a classic.
So the point is that now this person
reminds me of the clips you played earlier
of the taproot guy who comes out of,
you know, Polar or Intel or nowhere.

(01:01:57):
Yeah, but he's in a milieu.
And just let me ask you a question.
Your PBS or your CBS, whatever.
And the number one person you call is
from peril research.
That's number one on your call list.
Is that I would like to know the
mechanism for getting on these shows in this

(01:02:19):
way.
This is not a minor piece.
This is a I have four clips from
it and it went on for half the
show.
Wow.
This is a major feature on the Saturday
show.
Yeah, it's a message is what it is.
So there is something going on with that.
And the one you played, I think, is
the same thing.
It was a messenger that was that was

(01:02:41):
hooked in somehow to the Booker or there's,
you know, there's who knows how how some
of these things work.
I mean, I know how you get on
these shows.
You know, the Booker producer and you get
on the show.
But the Booker producer rhymes with I'm telling
you about the Booker.
So the Booker producer usually, you know, and
you make and the key.

(01:03:03):
And, you know, this and most people have
ever done any hits on these different shows.
Notice that if you make friends with the
Booker producer or one of the lead producers,
that's how you do it.
Good to show you're good.
You're good to go.
Yeah, that's what you've done for Rogan's six,
six Rogan's.
But but Rogan invites me personally.
I only the first time did it go

(01:03:24):
through his Booker.
Yeah, well, once you get but you got
what you hooked up with the real Booker
producer.
He just called me out of the blue.
No, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, he Rogan is the real producer.
I'm sorry.
Yes, he's the real.
But I don't say, hey, Joe, time for
me to come on again.
No, but you you talk to him and

(01:03:45):
you try to keep in touch to the
point where he remembers that you can come
on at the drop of a hat, which
is the great idea.
Yes, because somebody's got to be Tony Randall
or Regis Philbin.
That's me.
Philbin was not as good as Randall, but
Philbin did it, too.
Yeah.
All right, too.
When you have political rhetoric that consistently positions

(01:04:07):
us versus them in existential terms, when people
online are celebrating the assassination of a United
Healthcare executive, for example, that kind of violence
being valorized, not just seen as a last
type of solution, but as an acceptable or
even preferable one.
That was an outstanding observation, John.
No doubt because you saw this, it triggered

(01:04:28):
your memory.
But the fact that nobody got burned for
celebrating that, that is telling.
There was also, by the way, I think
her use of the word valorized is dynamite.
Oh, yeah, that is good.
Let's roll that back.
Type of solution, but as an acceptable or
even preferable one.
There was also celebration online of this assassination.

(01:04:53):
And at the same time, we also know
there are some supporters of Charlie Kirk who
are using more and more sort of warlike
kind of talk after a tragedy like this.
There are all sorts of ways that people
deal with the grief.
But where do you think we are right
now in the rhetoric about this event?
I think we're at a really very risky
moment.
I will say that the elected officials rhetoric,

(01:05:14):
the bipartisan, mostly bipartisan condemnation of the violence
and of the idea that no one deserves
to be shot no matter how much you
disagree with them, I think has been very
clear.
But among ordinary people, especially young people on
social media, we have seen much more divisive
rhetoric, both calling for civil war and celebrating

(01:05:34):
the death of the killing of someone with
whom people often vehemently disagreed.
And so I think one of the things
I've been urging people is to not just
look to political leaders for solutions, but look
across the dinner table.
That's a moment to engage with dialogue and
really try to walk back that rhetoric.
Yeah.
Okay.
At the dinner table.
Okay.

(01:05:54):
Hey, son, stop talking that way.
Okay, go with three.
One thing I've noticed in the past few
days is a rise in conservatives doxing or
publishing the personal information of people, individuals who
are not remotely famous, who may have in
some cases celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk,

(01:06:16):
as you said, that's something obviously deplorable to
do.
But in some cases, maybe not gone that
far, just offended some folks.
We spoke to someone from Wired magazine who's
covering this, talking about specifically this moment.
I've spoken to multiple people this week who
have had their employment terminated as a result
of what they posted online.

(01:06:36):
In some cases, they were celebrating Charlie Kirk's
death.
In other cases, it was much, much less
than that.
And they were just making points about divisive
US society.
This has been not just about shaming people,
but about affecting their lives.
And in some cases, there's been death threats
as well.
I wonder what you make of this tactic,
not just something a few people are doing,

(01:06:58):
but people are collecting databases to do this
now.
Yeah, doxing is a very dangerous tactic.
We've seen it from the left and from
the right.
And what we've seen over the years is
that often when someone is doxed, their personal
information leaked, there have been cases where people
show up at the wrong address where they

(01:07:18):
used to live, let's say, and threaten the
kind of innocent family who lives there.
You're putting at risk family members, children, others
who might live at that address.
How about the people who actually are meant
to be doxed?
That's not dangerous.
So, you know, one of the things I
would really urge people to do is avoid
that temptation.
Whatever the motivation to look for accountability, this

(01:07:39):
is a moment to allow the rule of
law to allow social media policies to handle
that.
Social media policies?
It's not social media policies.
Censorship.
And by the way, what's her name?
Lisa Desjardins.
She goes on.
She's all upset about this, but she never
has said jack about doxing, you know, the

(01:08:02):
ICE guys.
No, of course not.
Or any police, for that matter, who have
to wear masks because these guys come up
to them.
But again, what they're all missing is the
fact that all of these people did it
because they felt comfortable.
They thought everybody is on.
Everyone's on board.
Everyone agrees.
Isn't this, this is the weak mindedness of

(01:08:23):
certainly our educators that, oh, I mean, everyone
thinks this.
I've told my children this.
Everyone knows this.
All my colleagues, they all believe it.
No, you're not going to get an argument
from me on that regard.
But the fact that they are comfortable.
Comfortable, yes, comfortable.
Talking about some guy getting killed is pathetic.

(01:08:46):
Well, they didn't.
Well, you know what?
They didn't get in trouble with Luigi.
That's part, that may be part of the
mechanism for all we know, John.
Yeah, it's pretty schemey, if that's true.
It's very schemey.
A little outrageous.
It's hard for me to believe they're that
good.
But, you know, it's always possible.
Now, the last clip, this is the last

(01:09:06):
clip.
They convinced us we went to the moon.
So, you know, it's like anything's possible.
Hey, yo.
There's two, you got two more clips here.
You got, oh, you got Trump.
You got Trump, the Trump stuff now?
So, let's see.
Kirk Trump reaction and analysis is what I
have.
That would be last, I think.

(01:09:28):
The third was the last one.
That was the last Robinson.
That was the last.
Oh, right.
No, there should be polarization for Dudd.
Yep, there is.
Now, the reason I call it, wait, I'm
just going to give a heads up.
So they go on and on.
This goes on forever.
And this is how they finish it.
And I'm listening to this.
It says, wait a minute.
You go through, you make us watch this

(01:09:49):
crap.
For this period of time, I'm doing this,
by the way, in advance of this clip,
because you're going to do it if I
don't.
This is a Dudd out on us.
In a few seconds, we have left here.
We've seen these moments in history before where
we have assassination attempts happening over a decade
or two decades kind of thing before.

(01:10:09):
But I wonder, you mentioned people need to
talk to each other across the dinner table.
What else gets the country out of moments
like this?
Vax.
Well, one of the things we really need
is more serious and systematic investments in prevention,
which is something that other countries have.
We in this country tend to rely on,
after the fact, increases in security, better barricades,

(01:10:30):
better security detectors.
And that's expensive.
And it requires a perfection every time.
But you can also invest in helping people
be less persuaded by propaganda online, less persuaded
by manipulative efforts that say violence is the
solution.
And help people know how to recognize warning
signs and know where to get more help.

(01:10:52):
Cynthia Miller Idris, thank you so much for
joining us.
All that was missing was her saying, therefore,
I recommend listening to the best podcast in
the universe, the No Agenda Show, so you
will not be radicalized that easily.
You know, the funny irony to that last
bit in the commentary is that the United
States really can't afford to let people think

(01:11:15):
for themselves that much because the entire advertising
model for selling products requires it.
Oh, our entire system.
We've been through this system.
Yes, the entire system.
I'm just thinking advertising, but it requires you
be gullible.
Well, not just be gullible, but be outraged.
The constant state of outrage.

(01:11:36):
That's how our media works.
That's how our politics works.
That's how our social media works, which is
why people are getting all of, you know,
your algorithms are showing all the things that
are going to get you mad.
And the Chinese model, which soon will go
away whenever President Trump figures out how to
make it American, TikTok, you just get everything

(01:11:56):
you want.
There's no, you know, Facebook does this.
They all do this, like inject stuff, inject
stuff, inject stuff.
Keep you busy, keep you on there.
And that's our, that is, that has always
been our model.
Yeah.
So you get what you pay for.
Which is nothing.
Oh, junk, Chinese junk, it turns out to
be currently junk.

(01:12:17):
Okay.
So I got the, yeah, right.
Kirk Trump.
I forgot about these clips.
This is another, I don't know.
I guess all my clips are analysis clips,
this show, but Kirk Trump reaction.
This is, this is, this is kind of
funny because they're just doing, they just do
everything they can.
It's Trump's fault, by the way.
We're going to take a few minutes now
to look at how President Trump has handled
all of this.

(01:12:37):
At difficult moments for the nation, it's often
the role of the president to deliver meaning,
resoluteness, and calm.
Think of George W.
Bush in the immediate wake of 9-11
as one recent example.
This week, in the hours immediately after the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, President Trump took a
different approach.
He blamed his political opponents.

(01:12:57):
Radical left political violence has hurt too many
innocent people and taken too many lives.
Trump said his administration would be coming for
people and organizations that contribute to political violence.
NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins
us now.
Hi, Scott.
You have covered Trump for a long time.

(01:13:18):
This is unfortunately far from the first violent
political act that he has had to respond
to as president.
So how does his handling here compare to
the other times?
Trump and members of his family were quite
close to Charlie Kirk, so this attack was
personal for Trump.
And his response was immediately partisan.
Compare that to what happened after the shooting

(01:13:38):
at a congressional baseball team practice in 2017.
In that case, Republican lawmakers were targeted by
a man who had been a Bernie Sanders
supporter.
But in a scripted address, Trump took a
very traditional approach and said, the nation is
strongest when we are unified.
We may have our differences, but we do
well in times like these to remember that

(01:14:00):
everyone who serves in our nation's capital is
here because, above all, they love our country.
And Tam, we have to talk about a
big factor here.
The president himself was shot at last summer
at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Remind us of his rhetoric after that assassination
attempt against him.
It was interesting because a lot of his

(01:14:22):
supporters were really fast to blame left-wing
rhetoric, but Trump was more restrained.
OK, what's interesting about this clip is there's
a little modicum of truth in there where
the president said he was going after those
that finance it.
Yes, yes, exactly.
That's a little different than going after political

(01:14:42):
opponents.
Yes, but the whole, yes, yes, yes, yes.
The beginning of the clip is a fallacious
argument and a false analogy.
He starts off by saying, look at how
Bush handled the 9-11 thing.
9-11 wasn't an attack by the Democrat

(01:15:03):
Party or common leftists.
It was attacked by a foreign entity.
Or whatever, or whatever.
We're going to go with the cover story.
OK, we're going to go with that story.
So Bush isn't about to go and start
blaming the leftists.
I mean, it's not going to happen.
And he says, compare that to Trump.
That's not a comparison.
What are you kidding me?

(01:15:24):
So you start at the very beginning of
the presentation with a fallacious analogy.
And you go from there.
But meanwhile, it's just stuck in the person's
brain.
We have this.
In other words, the preconceived conclusion is already
planted if you don't catch it right away.
This is like a pathological liar talking to

(01:15:45):
you.
If he if you watch the media pathological
liars, what if he gets you early?
Then he'll start to reel you in.
And that's exactly what happens with these guys
at NPR do this all the time.
And in that case, the ideology of the
shooter who was killed by police is to
this day still quite unclear.

(01:16:06):
His list of potential targets included Democrats and
Republicans.
Like we said, unfortunately, a lot of examples
to pick from.
But I do want to ask about one
recent example a lot of people have brought
up this week.
And that's the targeted attacks on Minnesota Democrats
this past summer that killed former House Speaker
Melissa Hortman.
How did Trump respond this summer after those
shootings?

(01:16:26):
Hortman and her husband were murdered.
Another Democratic lawmaker was gravely injured.
It was a targeted attack.
Trump posted about the attack on social media,
saying such horrific violence will not be tolerated
in the United States of America.
But he didn't get into the partisan nature
of the targeting.
And he hasn't really mentioned it since.

(01:16:47):
There was no conclusion on that.
It wasn't partisan.
No, there's no evidence of that.
It was probably a yes.
So this is again.
So what they've done is they've already lied
to you at the beginning with a false
analogy.
And then they're starting to reel you in.
And then they start to drop phony bombs

(01:17:09):
in the middle so they can make the
point that Trump's a bad guy.
Yeah, he is.
I mean, is it fair to say that
he just downplays it when violence comes from
the political right?
Yeah, let me give you another example.
In 2018, a Trump supporter who sent explosives
to Democrats and also CNN was taken into

(01:17:29):
custody.
President Trump responded by praising law enforcement and
criticizing the media for mentioning the suspect's political
affiliation.
He said the media was using the sinister
actions of one individual to score political points
against him and Republicans.
Yet when a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to

(01:17:49):
murder congressional Republicans and severely wounded a great
man named Steve Scalise and others, we did
not use that heinous attempt at mass murder
for political gain because that would have been
wrong.
So in 2018, he was saying a partisan
response to a terrible crime would be wrong.

(01:18:12):
But in this case, with the murder of
Charlie Kirk, Trump is quite firmly sticking to
his view that Democrats and harsh rhetoric on
the left are to blame.
You say quite firmly.
Is it fair to say he has not
softened his rhetoric since the alleged assailant was
taken into custody?
Right.
He was on Fox and Friends yesterday and
Ainsley Earhart gave him an opportunity to offer

(01:18:35):
a unifying message.
How do we fix this country?
How do we come back together?
I'll tell you something that's going to get
me in trouble, but I couldn't care less.
The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical
because they don't want to see crime.
They don't want to see crime.
So take that and then compare it to
the way he describes the other side.
The radicals on the left are the problem,

(01:18:56):
and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're
politically savvy.
And in this way, Trump is like so
many others in this polarized country who think
their side is essentially fine and it's the
other side that's evil.
The difference, of course, though, is that he's
the president of the United States.
He has all the power.
I want to take this for me to

(01:19:18):
a conclusion because we need to end this
at some point.
We can just go on forever about this.
I'm done.
And this, you'll roll your eyes, but that's
OK because you're used to it by now.
Almost 18 years.
That's right.
So when President Trump talks about those financing
this, and we talked about this the other

(01:19:39):
day and you put the blame on people
like Soros, as an example, the Open Society
Foundation, which clearly is one of his financial
motives is to destabilize a currency, a country,
anything to hedge.
He's a hedge fund guy.
And that's so it may not even be
that.

(01:19:59):
He's one of the greatest currency traders in
the history of investing.
And he may not even be doing it
that much for ideological reasons more than financial.
I mean, that's possible.
We don't really know much about him other
than he's kind of creepy.
And it was there was this one brief
moment in kind of the fog of post

(01:20:21):
this assassination when and the clip is not
widely distributed.
I was able to find it.
It's like on places where, you know, you
have that.
This is a media, but they have like
an audio watermark.
So I was able to find a version
of it without that.
It's only 50 seconds.
I found it without that.

(01:20:41):
This was Hannity, which if it was just
Hannity, I've been like, OK, whatever.
That was also John Solomon and John Solomon.
I think he's pretty good with his investigative
sourcing because this is all sources.
And this came out and I haven't heard
about it since.
Have a source in the intelligence community, John,

(01:21:04):
that said that there might be post assassination
pieces of a puzzle that might be put
together, that there might be a foreign component
to it.
Again, we don't know for sure.
I know it's being discussed.
Have you heard the same thing?
Yes, there is a group or two of
interests that are in the Salt Lake City

(01:21:26):
area that they're looking at just because of
certain recent activities overseas and certain intelligence shared
by a foreign friendly from the United States
doesn't necessarily mean that it is connected to
the shooting.
I suspect, though, it's going to result in
some action, even if it's not resulted, not
tied to the shooting.
But there is a small foreign component that's
being looked at.

(01:21:46):
Again, all leads are open.
I don't think they've locked into a final
theory of the case yet.
Just thought it was interesting.
Like, huh.
OK, now, I actually saw that.
Yeah.
What was your thought?
And my thought was that they're trying as
hard as they can to blame Israel.
And this is kind of a roundabout way

(01:22:06):
of doing it.
And I say that because that meme is
floating around.
I think it's silly, but it's floating around.
And it even came to the dinner table
because JC and Jesse both had some thoughts
on this that involved Israel.
And he also had a couple other memes
that he picked up on.

(01:22:27):
And one of my favorites, which I observed,
too, even though thinking about it, I realized
it's not really possible to tell.
But when when the kid jumped off the
roof and landed like a paratrooper beautifully, by
the way, from a two story building, I
can't jump off a two story building.
Not anymore.
Back in the heyday, you could.
I'm not absolutely sure I could ever.

(01:22:49):
But he jumps off the building, lands perfectly
and then runs.
Is it?
Where's the gun?
Where's the gun?
Because he supposedly ran into the gun, but
you couldn't see the gun.
But but that video was enhanced and enhancement
can easily take the gun out of the
picture.
He could have been running with a gun
for all we know.
So I so I'm not I like the

(01:23:10):
idea that people have all observed is where's
the gun?
Where's the gun?
Because he's running like a maniac at high
speeds after jumping off the building and there's
no gun that he went to with a
towel around it that he ditched.
And that is suspicious.
But at the same time, when you do
video enhancing, it's easy to wipe stuff out.

(01:23:31):
I mean, I can you know, you've done
it.
Yeah, but you're you're floating away from the
topic.
The topic was a foreign entity.
Well, yeah, I'm just saying that that came
up at the conversation.
But they also they would they were thinking
Israel.
And it goes like, OK, I know where
I don't know where it was.
Oh, it's it's around and it's around.
Yeah, it's around and people hate Israel.

(01:23:53):
Well, and the reason the younger generation actually
Charlie Kirk had a roundtable on this, which
I listened to.
I won't play the clips, but he had
a roundtable.
He was asking them.
And what it came down to was we're
pissed off because we can't afford our rent.
Yet we're sending money to Israel.
The fire is here.
Why are you trying to put fires out

(01:24:14):
there?
And that's an although that's a misunderstanding of
appropriation of money because it's very little compared
to, you know, other things the U.S.
government spends its money on.
But the secondary part was interesting where they
said, well, if people are going to call
me an anti-Semite for saying that, for
being upset with sending money, supporting Israel with,

(01:24:36):
you know, whatever Israel does with the money,
which, you know, is killing Palestinians, bombing Qatar,
et cetera.
Maybe drawing us into wars.
Then what the Gen Z-ers are saying
is, and Charlie Kirk agreed with them because
he's, you know, almost of that, he's a
little bit older, but he's close to that
generation.
He said, well, you know, if we're going

(01:24:56):
to be accused of the crime, I might
as well do it.
But that's not where I'm going with this.
I certainly kept that open on Thursday.
Like, well, could this have been some retaliation?
By the way, Israel is not the same
as the government of Israel in my mind.
Bibi Netanyahu has a lot of issues.
But it was, and this is something that
Mo tried to explain to me, and I

(01:25:18):
understood theoretically what he was talking about.
And for 100 episodes of Mo Facts with
Adam Curry, he talked about the white supremacy.
And he was always taking it back to
Europe, to the European families.
And that was, it was not a color.
It was a system.
And someone sent me this video of these

(01:25:39):
two women.
They're older.
When I say older, I'm 61.
I'm like, man, I hope I don't look
like that when I'm 65.
But they're probably in their mid-60s.
This is one of them, Susan Kokinda.
And they have this group called the Prometheus,
what is it called?

(01:26:00):
Prometheus Action.
And as I was listening, it kind of
dawned on me, like, let's just say this
was an operation to destabilize America, destabilize possibly
the president's agenda, which I think it actually
had the adverse effect.
I think the enemy always overplays his hand.
But if there has been a destabilizing factor

(01:26:23):
throughout, really, certainly the last 10 years, but
maybe forever in the existence of our country,
these ladies are very, very articulate.
And I have two short clips, both a
minute each, just to introduce this to you.
And I'm going to be staying on this.
This is going to be my new, this

(01:26:43):
is going to be a new theorem for
me to stick with.
What if I told you that Donald Trump's
biggest enemies are not the Obama-Clinton-Biden
networks, whose heads are on the line in
the Russiagate revelations, or even the deep state,
but it's the European monarchies who have never
stopped their war against the American Republic?
Most people think that this is just politics,
Republicans versus Democrats, or maybe America versus the

(01:27:05):
globalists.
You see the daily battles over Ukraine funding,
Fed policy, or the environmental regulations as separate
issues.
Even Trump supporters often miss the big picture,
focusing on individual bad actors or policy disputes.
But what we're fighting is a system properly
named the Anglo-Dutch system.
And what we're witnessing is unprecedented.

(01:27:26):
An American president waging direct war against the
very Anglo-Dutch system that we fought the
American Revolution against.
Trump isn't just fighting globalists.
He's taking on the European monarchy and oligarchy,
led by the British monarchy and its Dutch
and European partners.
This is what's been bleeding America dry through
its central banking system, its environmental death cult,

(01:27:48):
and its endless imperial wars.
I'm Susan Kokinda, and I've been tracking this
imperial system for over five decades.
I've documented how these same royal families created
the Federal Reserve, launched the environmental movement, and
started every major war.
So she had my attention.
I'm like, huh, that's interesting.
Mainly because...
Since you're Dutch and lived in England.

(01:28:10):
Yes.
I'm like, huh, okay.
Continue, please.
Today, I'm exposing three fronts in Trump's war
against the European oligarchies.
First, how King Charles and the Dutch are
desperately keeping Ukraine burning.
Second, how Trump's economic policies are dismantling their
centuries-old ideology of environmental destruction.
And third, how his Fed battle strikes at

(01:28:31):
the very heart of the financial empire that's
ruled the United States since 1913.
So why is the Ukraine war continuing when
Trump has a clear mandate to end it,
and he wants to end the killing?
Because of the empire's stranglehold over Europe.
So look at this.
The very first European country to pony up
almost $600 million in arms purchases from the

(01:28:55):
United States to keep the Ukraine conflict going
is the Netherlands.
$600 million.
That's a small country.
This is the Netherlands, as in the Dutch
half of the Anglo-Dutch imperial system.
And the other European countries that immediately jumped
in?
Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.
Notice something?
They're all monarchies.

(01:29:15):
You can use your favorite AI to look
at the ties between these royal families and
the British monarchy.
So I don't need to use AI because
I know the history of the monarchies.
And as I'm thinking about this, I'm like,
where did Trump's Russia problems really stem from?
The Steele report, Christopher Steele, former MI6 agent.

(01:29:37):
We have British journalists showing up in our
news all the time because, is it just
because they sound authoritative?
Robert Maxwell.
Very interesting if you tie that into Jelay
Maxwell.
Yes, he was an agent, they say, for
Mossad, but he was also an MI6 agent.
This was the big thing, is that he

(01:29:59):
was a double agent.
Soros started his career with banks as part
of the City of London.
The big banks, ING Group, Dutch, HSBC Holdings
operating from British colonial Hong Kong, Barclays, JPMorgan
Chase, now mainly, primarily American, but it has
Anglo roots, Rutgers University, Columbia University, Hofstra, Harvard,

(01:30:25):
Cambridge, Yale, Pharmaceuticals, Glaxo, Viatris, AstraZeneca, Media and
Publishing, Reed Elsevier, now it's the Relics Group,
Thomson Reuters, where most of our news comes
from, is regurgitated from Reuters.
Education, Pearson, publishing giant in education.

(01:30:47):
Energy, Shell, BP, retail consumer goods for advertising,
Ahold, Dutch, big corporation, Unilever, Dutch, US, Dutch,
British.
ASML, big part of our chip manufacturing.
I just had never really considered, particularly seeing

(01:31:11):
now what the EU is doing and how
badly they want war and what President Trump,
if you look at it in that light,
and he says, I'm going after the people
that are funding all of this stuff, it
put my head in a different space and
I can't make any conclusions.
I don't know if you're rolling your eyes,
but I'm like, you know, there's something to

(01:31:33):
this and I'm going to go down this
rabbit hole for a while.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased as punch that
Adam is back to his crackpot status, which
will improve the show to no end.
People have always bitched and moaned about this
and now it's back.
Well, I can't just do it on demand.

(01:31:53):
I like it, but hey, I'm not rolling
my eyes at all.
I think it's great.
Well, thank you.
Kind of unexpected, but the thing the thing
that got me was Christopher Steele.
That that report, that's what started it.
And now it's a it's a confluence of
a whole bunch of things that Christopher Steele

(01:32:14):
is a trigger, but that those women and
when she says she's been doing this for
50 years, I believe she probably has been
and she's probably so deep, deep down in
the hole that that should provide some very
entertaining segments for the show.
Yes, well, you're going to get them for
sure.
Yeah, this is great.
Look at this is just what we needed

(01:32:34):
for second half of the show.
Well, I'm not going to put it in
second.
Look at look at the first big.
Casualty of Epstein information being released.
UK ambassador to the US, Mandelson, one week
before President Trump is scheduled to go over

(01:32:55):
there and have some kind of meeting.
It's very possible.
You know, his background is Scottish, but we've
actually had clips on this show that indicate
that the British in particular, I never thought
of the Dutch as part of it.
But OK, the Dutch are one of the
largest.
The Dutch are one of the largest investors
in the United States.

(01:33:17):
The British in particular have always been trying
to run games on.
They hate us.
They never they never got over it.
They never got over.
I believe that to be true.
Now, they've never gotten over the fact that,
in fact, if you read, I've always noticed
this because I'm a book collector, among other
things.

(01:33:37):
And so I have a lot of history
books that were written between 1860 and 1910.
And there's a lot of history books written
in there.
And after World War One, these books all
changed.
But before World War One, these history books,
you can find any old history book and

(01:33:59):
start reading about the British and the hatred
and vitriol that is expressed in these history
books is unbelievable.
It was just we hated them and hated
them and hated them until they suckered us
into World War One.
And then all of a sudden, the propaganda
machine got into play.
We had the Bernays phenomenon.

(01:34:20):
We had all the public relations.
All this came into play.
Bertrand Russell.
And the next thing you know, right.
Bertrand was British.
And the next thing you know, we're big
British powers.
Austin Powers, big troublemaker.
Anglophiles.
After hating and hating and hating on them
for over 100 years.
Who brought us the slaves, the Dutch?

(01:34:40):
Yeah, they transported.
Who who wage war on China with the
opium wars?
Yeah.
And we're paying the penalty for that.
And who has an opioid problem right now?
Where are these precursors made?
Could that be one of the big pharmaceuticals?
There's a lot of open questions.
I'm all I'm I'll be all in on

(01:35:02):
you doing this.
Well, you just you're in your new beat.
It is my new beat.
And the other thing.
So get off Fox.
There was you're the you're the Fox guy.
I'm not really on Fox.
Um, it was hot when when Putin and
Xi and Modi, they all got together.
And it wasn't really played up much.

(01:35:25):
But there was, from what I understand, there
was talk about building energy projects in Russia
with what's our Westinghouse, which doesn't seem like
you're anti American if you want to build
an energy project in Russia with Westinghouse.
But it was always the finance minister.
I haven't I haven't been able to find

(01:35:46):
it yet.
But he posted two pictures, like mean pictures,
like AI, generally like no agenda art generator
stuff.
And one was with, you know, like the
the the panda bear and the Russian bear.
And what do you have?
What is India's symbol?
What kind of animal do they have?
Oh, it's a good question.
I forget what it is.

(01:36:07):
Someone in the chat.
And so they had those three and then
one underneath it, adding the United States and
had the U.S. flag.
And it was which one would you prefer?
And I'm just thinking, you know, how Trump
really wants to do business with Russia.
President Putin got a great relationship with him.

(01:36:29):
President Xi, I got a great, great relationship
with him.
Modi, good guy.
OK, he's impressed with Modi in a different
way, because if you recall, during his first
term, he went to a rally.
Yeah, the big rally in the in the
stadium.
Oh, yeah.
And it made it made Trump's rallies look
like small potatoes.

(01:36:50):
And Trump had these massive rallies compared to
everybody else.
He loved it.
He loved he was so impressed with it.
Wow.
How do you do this?
Hundreds of thousands of people in this massive
stadium.
So so just for a moment, I'm just
imagining what if President Trump is completely savvy
to this?

(01:37:10):
He's known this from the get go.
And this would be the five D chess
that everyone talks about.
And he's like, how do we bring down?
Because remember, it's Swift is not run by
the Federal Reserve.
Swift is run out of Brussels.
The, you know, the Bank of the the
city of London, they're the ones that screwed

(01:37:30):
up the dollar with the trade that kind
of, you know, that necessitated all kinds of
changes to the financial systems.
The forex trade, you know, the LIBOR scandal,
LIBOR scandal, which screwed up our interest rates.
All of these things all came out of
the Anglo Dutch monarchy organizations.
I got to come up with a better

(01:37:50):
acronym.
These ladies have the Anglo Dutch system is
no good.
It's like, you know, the limey Gouda head
system, whatever.
We'll come up with something.
I'm working on it.
But what if he really wants to team
up with India, China, Russia and bring those
those Brits down and those and those flatlanders

(01:38:11):
for once and for all?
Well, you always get the impression, especially during
when Trump was out and Biden was in
and even before Trump, that Putin has been
aware of something like this.
Yeah, because he acts like it.
And he always he was blaming for.
He says, you know, the people are getting
suckered into this and that and the other
thing.

(01:38:31):
And it's possible that Putin is clued in.
I mean, it's perfect for the show.
Let me put it that way.
It has a lot of legs.
It's a bottomless pit.
Yes, for 50 years, more years.
50 years.
And so, yeah, I'm totally a subscriber to

(01:38:55):
these sorts of things.
And so if you're talking about just to
briefly bring it back to Charlie Kirk, if
you're talking about some kind of professional hit
with a patsy that is meant to destabilize
America's youth, our political system, get when you
have people fighting each other, that's that's how
you conquer them.
It's obvious.

(01:39:16):
And the fact that the president said, I'm
going after the people who finance it.
That's like, OK, and that's clearly the Soros
clearly is from the U.K. banking system.
And by the way, these people don't care
about the Brits either.
They do not care.
They just care about the empire.

(01:39:37):
And, you know, we've been watching we watch
the Gilded Age, where all of the it's
actually a lot of the Dutch were in
New York early.
You know, the New Amsterdam, New Amsterdam, the
Driesmans.
This is the early rise of J.P.
Morgan.
And of course, after that, we went back
and we're watching Downton Abbey, which is actually

(01:39:58):
quite enjoyable, mainly from the historical perspective.
And you just see like, yeah, man, I
can't believe these Brits.
We kicked their butt and that was it.
That the pride went away.
I don't believe it for a second.
Not from these families and the monarchies and
how everyone's connected and inbred.
And it's only 250 years ago.

(01:40:19):
That's not very long.
Amsterdam was the center.
They invented the stock exchange.
They invented the whole concept.
They invented the Ponzi scheme or the I'm
sorry, tulip mania.
Ponzi scheme, I think, was invented in Italy.
Yeah, the bubble.
They invented the bubble.
So all of these things, if you go

(01:40:40):
back and we never we never taught this
in school.
We never go back far enough into history
to even think about these things.
Murica, you know, 70s, because to kids, world
history is boring.
But but my experience with history and people
who teach it, it's not boring in the
least.
It's the teachers who are boring.

(01:41:01):
Yes.
So this kind of fits in with this
latest.
This latest move by the president against the
NATO allies.
US President Donald Trump on Saturday called on
NATO allies to stop buying Russian oil while
also threatening China with massive tariffs for its
own purchases of Russian petroleum.

(01:41:23):
In a social media post, Trump called the
oil buying by some NATO members shocking, saying
it greatly weakens the alliance's negotiating position.
Russian Federation.
While attacking his comments come just days after
Russian drones violated Polish airspace, prompting NATO to
launch a new Eastern Sentry deterrence program type
objects into Polish airspace.

(01:41:44):
The remarks also follow last month's summit in
Alaska between Trump and Vladimir Putin, which failed
to achieve a breakthrough on ending the war.
Several NATO members, including Turkey, Hungary and Slovakia,
continue to be major buyers of Russian oil
after the invasion of Ukraine.
D.C. Trump also repeated his claim that
the conflict is Biden's and Zelensky's war and
would not have occurred if he had been

(01:42:06):
president when it began in early 2022.
So President Trump is saying, yeah, sure, I'll
do sanctions.
You guys stop buying their oil, which would
cripple them because we all know that they're
buying Russian oil.
It would cripple them.
So this seems like a like a by
the way, it's a pretty good trick.
By the way, I was just thinking, wouldn't

(01:42:26):
it be so typical for the and when
I say Anglo Dutch, I'm talking about the
Dutch people or the or the British people.
I'm talking about the Anglo Dutch system.
To get everyone to blame it all on
the Jews, you can just see them laughing
about that.
We got to blame the Jews for it.
They're bankers.
Yes, exactly.
And the Rothschilds are involved.

(01:42:48):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Wouldn't it be fantastic?
Here's something I don't think they're going to
do that.
Well, they're not, but it's happening.
It's happening.
I think that's I don't know what's going
on there.
I think there's an explanation.
Well, here is they're blaming the Jews.
I think they're really out there.
Something about Netanyahu they have to deal with
and they don't like him.

(01:43:09):
No, there's that, too.
There's a lot of things not to like
about him.
He's not a player, probably.
Uh, here is a little too short clip
breakdown from my boy Andrew Rasulis on on
Trump's message here that is, hey, you stop
buying your oil, then we'll put some sanctions
on.

(01:43:30):
Joining us now is Andrew Rasulis, retired official
of the Department of National Defense.
Mr. Rasulis, welcome.
What do you make of Trump's calls today
on NATO allies?
Do you think it could make any difference
on Russia's stance at this point?
I don't think it'll even get there because
it's a very weak statement.
It carries a very large if and the

(01:43:52):
if is all European countries stop importing Russian
oil.
Now, that means chiefly Hungary, Slovakia and Turkey,
which import vast amounts of Russian oil.
Their economies are dependent on cheap Russian oil
to now expect that they will do Trump's

(01:44:12):
bidding and stop with the sort of underlying
understanding that the Americans will then put some
undefined sanctions on top of all the other
sanctions that he put on Russia and somehow
bring the war to an end.
I think this is a very illusory statement
by the president.
I don't think there's much to it.

(01:44:34):
Yeah, well, because it's a troll, basically.
And of course, we want to know how
this might affect China if it does at
all.
What about China, who he directly called out?
What sort of impact could tariffs have there?
Well, exactly.
I mean, he did on India.
All right.
He did on India and it had no

(01:44:55):
effect.
The Indians have said, forget it.
We're going to continue to buy Russian oil
despite the tariffs imposed on them by the
United States.
On China, it's a very different degree.
The Chinese import the most of Russian oil
and the Americans depend very much on Chinese
trade bilaterally.
So if they impose tariffs on China for

(01:45:17):
goods entering the United States, this will have
a significant impact on the American economy and
American consumers.
So Trump has never actually followed through on
this.
He's been saying that this has been going
for weeks now, but he's pulled back.
Because that is impractical.
So basically, there are very strict limits as

(01:45:39):
to what the United States and Europeans or
Canadians can do to actually affect the Russian
economy.
Yeah, he doesn't actually want to.
Now, through this new lens, he doesn't want
to do that.
We want to screw those guys over there.
And I think if you were to flip
the bricks on its head and make it
the A-bricks, America, Brazil, Russia, India, China,

(01:46:03):
South Africa, we'll just add them in there.
Which, I mean, hey, boys, guess what?
We're all going to use this stable coin
over here.
Screw those Europeans with their digital euro.
Cue Lagarde.
One year on from the release of Mario
Draghi's report on the future of European competitiveness,

(01:46:24):
it remains essential to follow up on its
recommendations with further concrete action and to accelerate
implementation in line with the European Commission's roadmap.
Governments should prioritize growth-enhancing structural reforms and
strategic investment while ensuring sustainable public finance.

(01:46:47):
It is critical to complete the Savings and
Investment Union and the Banking Union to an
ambitious timetable and to rapidly establish the legislative
framework for the potential introduction of our digital
euro.
Too little, too late, baby.
You can't catch up.
Stable coin is here.

(01:47:11):
It's much more fun to look at the
world this way.
No wonder people want to leave Britain.
Oh, yeah, it's getting bad.
You saw the protest.
I have a clip.
Okay, let me see.
London.
Huge protest.
Easy to find.
A far-right protest turned violent in London

(01:47:33):
today.
Vicki Barker has this report from the British
capital.
Chanting anti-immigrant slogans and waving flags, though
marchers, more than 100,000, police estimate, filled
the streets of central London.
And they heard the anti-immigrant, anti-Islam
activist Tommy Robinson tell them to savour the

(01:47:56):
moment, to feel their strength.
You are part of a tidal wave of
patriotism that is sweeping across this country.
Britain, he said, has finally awoken.
A few thousand counter-demonstrators from the group
Stand Up to Racism held their rally a

(01:48:18):
few hundred yards away.
It was like a hundred thousand versus it
looked like a thousand.
Yeah, that's what they said in the report.
A hundred thousand.
And then, of course, why even mention the
other groups?
Only, you know, one one hundredth away.
You guys are racist.
Yeah, who had the professionally printed signs?
The smaller group, of course.

(01:48:39):
But meanwhile, some of this pressure may be
having an effect.
And this is why this is why a
war economy is needed.
This is why we're going to we'll get
into Eastern Century.
France is teetering.
France's sovereign credit score is at its lowest
level on record.
Previously rated AA minus, the country has been

(01:49:02):
downgraded by one notch to A plus by
credit rating agency Fitch.
The agency explains this is a consequence of
continuing political instability.
They say the government's defeat in a confidence
vote illustrates the increased fragmentation and polarization of
domestic politics.
This instability weakens the political system's capacity to
deliver substantial fiscal consolidation.

(01:49:24):
In its report, Fitch paints a grim picture
of the state of France's public finances.
According to the agency, the deficit is expected
to remain above five percent next year, and
debt is expected to rise to one hundred
and twenty one percent of GDP in twenty
twenty seven, up from one hundred and fourteen
percent today.
For this economist, the downgrade has limited but

(01:49:45):
real consequences.
The impact of this downgrade is a lower
quality debt, meaning certainly an increase in risk
that could continue.
And so this concretely means for France an
increased debt burden, which means a higher level
of interest that it repays each year.
The outgoing minister of the economy, Eric Lombard,

(01:50:07):
has taken note of Fitch's decision.
The new prime minister, Sebastian Le Corneau's mission
is to present a budget that's acceptable to
the opposition.
Both those on the left and the right
have opposing ideas of how to balance France's
books.
These divisions will make a consensus difficult to
achieve.
The difficulty is you don't have your own
money anymore.

(01:50:27):
That's the difficulty.
Once you went on the euro, you can't
inflate your way out of a out of
a crisis like this.
Yeah, the Greeks taught us that.
Yes, austerity measures coming to France and they're
not going to like it.
And then we have and we have another
French revolt all the time.
So this could be like the Fifth Republic
or whatever number you're up to.

(01:50:49):
But it used to be cool.
You know, they cut off heads and stuff.
It was still do that.
Well, they could they could get back to
it.
We have a new a new actor on
the scene.
The Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO, who
I've never.
I don't think I can't recall this guy

(01:51:11):
ever showing up.
And there he is next to Mark Ritter.
And well, here we go, everybody.
Eastern Century.
We've activated it.
Yeah.
So a couple of comments.
I have issued the order tonight for Eastern
Century to begin.
The order went out as this press conference

(01:51:32):
began.
And so operations are being brought together immediately
underneath my authorities as SACEUR.
Now, it will take some time for us
to bring everything together with the new contributions
that have been coming in, and we'll continue
to work on this and refine the design
of the operation moving forward.
But it begins immediately on.
I'll just make one comment on the drone

(01:51:53):
wall, Secretary General.
This is very in line with some of
our thoughts of fortifying our eastern flank from
from a land and air domain perspective.
And just coming back from the Baltics, the
number of states are making investments in technologies,
learning lessons from Ukraine about what kind of
sensors and what kind of weapons kinetic and
non kinetic might be effective.

(01:52:13):
And so integrating those sorts of defenses into
our daily deterrence activities and into our regional
plans is absolutely going to be something that
we want to do moving forward.
OK, so why is this guy standing next
to Mark Ritter?
Because he's part of the sales team.
They brought in the closer.
This guy's like, hey, y'all want to
get your your eastern flank all squared away.

(01:52:36):
We're going to help you, but you need
new gear.
You need to buy some gear from us.
Do you think it was a highly successful
operation intercepting the drones that we did with
our with the Dutch F-35s and the
other assets that contributed to that?
As successful as we are, we always learn
something in the debrief, as we would say,
in the in the fighter business.

(01:52:57):
And so we are always looking for ways
to enhance to learn from the smallest tactical
error to how we're approaching certain problems.
And in my judgment, the scale of the
incursion the other day was it was obviously
larger than previous incursions that we've had.
So bringing additional resources to bear on this

(01:53:18):
problem will help to solve that.
So that's why we're starting this operation the
way we are.
I'll also highlight the comment I made about
working with Allied Command Transformation and Admiral Vendee.
That is an effort to ensure that we
get lower cost weapons that we can use
to defend ourselves to make this a sustainable
operation over time.

(01:53:39):
And as Secure, one of my responsibilities is
to make sure that we don't just defend
today, but that we're set up to defend
tomorrow.
And the last comment I'll make is when
when there's a fighter pilot that's in the
air or someone on the ground who's defending
the alliance, I don't want them thinking about
how much their weapons cost.
I want them defending our citizens.
Yeah, yeah.

(01:54:00):
Don't think about cost, boys.
Don't worry about it.
Fire away.
Fire away.
Fox one.
Fox two.
Oh, yeah.
By the way, it turns out these were
not Shaheed.
These were Gerand drones, which pretty much are
unarmed.
They are autonomous.
They have funny.

(01:54:20):
One of the reports did say Shaheeds.
No, I know that initially we heard Shaheed,
but I got a lot of people who
know what they're talking about emailing me.
So, no, these are Gerand drones.
And then this morning or yesterday, there was
a bunch of incursions over Romania.
Yes.
I think I actually have a clip of
that.
Hold on.
Yes, here it is.

(01:54:42):
It was two F-16 fighter jets like
these that detected a drone in Romania's airspace.
The Romanian defense ministry says the jets were
patrolling near the border following Russian airstrikes on
Ukrainian infrastructure.
At 1823, F-16 aircraft detected a drone
in national airspace, which they tracked to approximately
20 kilometers southwest of Cilievece, where it disappeared

(01:55:04):
from radar.
The drone did not fly over populated areas
and did not pose an imminent danger to
the safety of the population.
It's the second breach of NATO airspace in
just a matter of days after Poland said
it shot down several Russian drones earlier in
the week.
In response, the alliance is beefing up its
defenses with a new operation dubbed Eastern Sentry,
which aims to reinforce its eastern border with

(01:55:27):
Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
The U.S. has also vowed to defend
every inch of NATO territory.
It shouldn't happen.
I don't think anybody's happy about it seeing
happen.
You saw NATO respond to it appropriately.
We don't want to see it happen again.
We think it's an unacceptable and unfortunate and
dangerous development in this regard.
With tensions high, Poland's Lublin airport temporarily closed

(01:55:50):
on Saturday after a drone alert was issued.
Meanwhile, Russia and Belarus are pressing on with
their joint operations near the Polish border.
Known as Zapad 2, the two countries had
already carried out similar exercises back in 2021,
just months before Russia's full-scale invasion of
Ukraine.
Full-scale invasion.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the
more genius this is starting to look.

(01:56:12):
Like, bleed them dry of all their money
for, not for today's war, but tomorrow's war.
You don't want your boys in the sky
thinking about what it's going to cost.
I love that.
You don't want that.
That's a great sales pitch.
You don't want fighters to be thinking, you
don't want, you want those guys to be
- They should be making this as a
consideration.
Going to save money for your government.

(01:56:34):
Yeah.
You don't want that.
You know, the French are shutting down their
nuclear power plants.
Germans.
Yes.
Oh yeah, they've decommissioned- The French are
all, the whole country is run by those
nukes.
No, I think they shut down two of
them already.
No, they may be for maintenance.
I can't believe they're going to shut any
of them down.
Well, the Germans certainly did.

(01:56:55):
And Germany- Germans did.
They're stupid.
But that's the green agenda.
They've turned it on themselves.
And we're going to screw them with their
money, with the stable coin.
We were taking away the, you know, LIBOR
is gone.
You don't control that anymore.
Now we just got to get those mainly
City of London oriented banks who are, you
know, not to be named in the Federal

(01:57:16):
Reserve.
Get them out of the picture.
Which Besant is, they've got plans.
You know, this could get very- Well,
if Trump can keep himself alive, you know,
they don't put those James Bond movies into
your mind for nothing.
Yeah, we got our agents.
They can kill anybody.
You can get anybody.
They can get the man anytime they want.

(01:57:38):
But we'll make them look like Austin Powers.
So you don't, you're not pretty, you're not,
you're not clued into what we're really doing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think we're on to something.
Yes.
The- Oh, this- See, I-

(01:58:00):
Actually, there was a kind of doubling back,
but coming back to technology.
Which is obviously some- By the way,
how about all those European Union finding our
companies billions of dollars?
Yeah, well, that's been going on since the
entire show.
Yeah, they hate it.
They hate our technology.

(01:58:20):
It started with Microsoft years ago, then Google,
and then now Meta, and then Google again.
Yeah, because they hate our influence.
They want to control it.
That's a gouge.
It's a rip off.
It's a simple rip.
They don't hate us.
They love us.
They can get all these billions of dollars
for doing absolutely something.
Well, that's true.
Let's sit on our ass and do nothing,
and then, oh, no, you get fined.

(01:58:42):
Why would they hate us?
Sounds like a podcast.
Let's sit on our ass and do nothing.
Yeah, well, it's both podcasts.
Not this one.
So, obviously, now we have to- This
is your girl, Kristen Welker.
And that's why I have the clips from
Meet the Press.
And she's talking to the governor, Spencer Cox.

(01:59:05):
Spencer Cox.
Is that the guy?
Is that- Cox, the Utah governor?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's a very politically savvy guy.
He could run for president.
Well, from what I'm reading, a lot of
people think he is a proverbial rhino, a
Republican in name only.

(01:59:26):
And you certainly don't want this guy as
president.
Listen to his thoughts and his ideas about
online and radicalization.
Governor, I want to ask you about something
you said on Friday.
You said, quote, there was a radicalization that
happened in a fairly short amount of time.
How was the suspect radicalized?
How quickly did it happen?
By the FBI, by the MI6.

(01:59:48):
I mean, this radicalization can happen from anybody,
people.
Well, again, those are pieces of information that
we're still gathering, trying to understand.
We do know.
And again, this is- Is he in
intelligence all of a sudden, this guy?
Yeah, we're gathering this- He has that
look.
You're right.
Now, as you mentioned, he has an intelligence
look.
He looks like a spook.

(02:00:10):
And he says the right things.
And when they bring up some of these
radicalization programs, you know, the intelligence people are
the ones who could, you know, they got
all these, you know, Quantico and all these
people that do personality analysis, and they know
your weak spots, and they can come in
and convince you of something that's not going
to happen.
Like you have a whole group of them
down there in Fredericksburg that think, you know,

(02:00:32):
the grid's going down or whatever they want
to try as a joke.
Yeah, exactly.
They sigh up our people here.
He is, of course, in Utah.
He is, I believe he is, yes, he
went on mission for the- So he's
a Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

(02:00:54):
-day Saints, which- Right, and by the
way, that's what you're supposed to say.
They don't like the word Mormon.
No, they don't.
That's why I said Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints.
But I'm just pointing that out to the
audience.
Yes, but they are very deeply entrenched in
intelligence.
They have records on everybody.

(02:01:14):
Didn't Ancestry.com start with them?
I think you might be right.
Yeah, they- Yes, because they have the
belief as a religion that they can baptize
you in death.
That's right.
That's right, which is appreciated, but it's okay.
I already gave it the office.
It's not appreciated by everybody.

(02:01:35):
I gave it the office.
I don't need it anymore.
It's information that we're still gathering, trying to
understand.
We do know, and again, this has been
well publicized, that this was a very normal
young man, a very smart young man, 4
.0 student, I think it's a 34 on
the ACT, went to- How does he
know all this stuff?

(02:01:56):
I haven't seen any of his scholastic record.
Yeah, that came out.
34 on the ACT, went to my alma
mater, Utah State University, but was only there
for a very short amount of time.
I mean, he dropped out after less than
one semester, and it seemed to happen kind
of after that, after he had moved back

(02:02:19):
to the southern part of Utah.
Clearly, there was a lot of gaming going
on.
Friends confirmed that there was kind of that
deep, dark internet- The dark.
Reddit culture and these other dark places of
the internet where this person was- Will,
stop for a second.

(02:02:40):
I take back what I said about him
being a potential presidential candidate because of this
interaction he's going through right now.
He is using a scattergun style of talking,
so it's not smooth.
He's not smooth.
I mean, when he gave his prepared speeches,
he sounded very presidential, but here's- He's

(02:03:00):
all over the map.
He doesn't have a structured flow.
It doesn't come off well.
No.
So, no, he's out.
No, he's- And also, Utah has all
the big data centers.
Any place- At least I'm in Colorado.
Yeah, I know, but Utah, well known.
Well known.
He's a fan of the band The Killers.

(02:03:21):
Okay.
It's kind of that deep, dark internet, the
Reddit culture, and these other dark places of
the internet where this person was going deep.
And you saw that on the casings.
I think, I mean, I didn't have any
idea what the- You saw that on
the casings.
Again, we didn't see anything.

(02:03:42):
We didn't see anything.
He's stammering like a maniac.
He's stammering to the extent that- That
he's lying.
He's not being honest.
Exactly.
Was going deep.
And you saw that on the casings.
I think, I mean, I didn't have any
idea what those inscriptions- Many of those
inscriptions even meant.
But they are, you know, certainly the memification

(02:04:05):
that is happening in our society today.
By the way, this podcast, The No Agenda
Show, is only available on the dark web.
Governor, I want to delve into some of
the messaging that we have heard from you.
Lawmakers, governors- Messaging.
Both parties across the country have frankly praised
what we heard from you on Friday.
Your unifying message.

(02:04:25):
You said you see this as a watershed
moment.
How can this nation step back from the
brink, Governor?
No, he was so good.
From the brink.
He was so good that you even kind
of fell for it until you heard this
interview.
Because he was good.
He had a, you know, a message that
was needed at that moment.
But we needed some details too.

(02:04:49):
So look, this is- What?
You mentioned it in the introduction.
But we have seen an escalation- What
was that all about?
Well, let's- Starts right away with a
laugh tale?
Let's listen to her lead in again.
And by the way, I resent the fact
you said that I fell for it.
Well, I don't- Because I did.
But it's beside the point.

(02:05:09):
It's not- By the way, I need
to apologize for something.
Not for that comment I just made.
What would that be?
What else did you say about me that
you need to apologize for?
It was not about you.
I said something about Brennan.
Oh, yes, Brennan.
Brennan and Jay were quite upset about you
calling him, as I recall, the exact word

(02:05:32):
was a deadbeat when it's anything but.
He's a very responsible- And by the
way, he's an Eagle Scout, if anybody cares.
But a lot of Eagle Scouts out there.
And a very responsible person.
And it was, I think, actionable insult.
Well, it was not- It was meant
as a joke, obviously.
Well, Mimi noticed it was kind of a

(02:05:52):
joke.
Because you make these offhanded comments.
It was a joke coming from the love
you have for the family.
Yes.
And it came in a conversation where you
were making fun of Mimi's voice.
So I'm like, it's fair game now.
But that's- But I apologize.
That's not true.
Okay, I'm sorry.
No, that's right.

(02:06:14):
It was right before you called me-
And I wasn't making fun of her voice.
She's- Her mic voice is a very
sexy voice she's developed.
I called her out on it later.
I called her and said, where'd you get
- Where are you developing this voice?
Because she wears the cans and she doesn't
like her voice.
And so she's working on- Hello.
So she's working on this bullcrap voice.
It sounds terrific.
She could get it worked doing that voice.

(02:06:34):
It was right before- Right after you
called me a bigot.
And before you called me an egomaniac about
the sound of my own voice.
So- Yes.
Yes, that's true.
But- Okay, so instead of- I'm
fair game.
I'm fair game.
Instead of your normal attack of me, you
went after poor old Brennan.

(02:06:55):
It was, I said it because I know
that, you know, because of the departure of
what company left?
Oh, the Chevron, right?
The Chevron.
Yeah.
So I'm sorry, of course.
Something's going- By the way, I remember
Jay- It's sweet of you to apologize
to Brennan.
Yes.
And also to Jay, you know, because they're
married and, you know, I'm sure she got

(02:07:15):
that.
And she didn't mention anything to me, but
this got back to me.
And so I'm really sorry.
I've known Jay since she was 15.
And I love her working with us and
- And she does a terrific job.
And Brennan's a good guy.
I've never met him, but you like him.
So that automatically qualifies.
He's a nice guy.
So I'm sorry.
This is what you get when you only
listen to the No Agenda show once in

(02:07:37):
a while.
You haven't heard all the other stuff we
talked about you.
So I'm sorry.
I really am.
I think that they should be listening to
the show.
Jay was listening to the show with more
consistency.
And Brennan listens once in a while.
He was listening in the car, I guess,
when you insulted him.
And they should listen to the show.

(02:07:59):
I don't understand this.
Did they almost drive their Tesla off the
road?
Driving a minivan.
All right.
Onward.
Unifying message.
You said you see this as a watershed
moment.
How can this nation step back from the
brink, Governor?
So look, you mentioned it in the introduction,

(02:08:22):
but we have seen an escalation in violence
that has been happening across the country.
We've had periods like this in our past
history.
I've mentioned before in the late 60s and
early 70s.
We saw these types of high profile political
assassinations.
Another dark time in our history.
People keep waiting for somebody to lead us

(02:08:43):
out of this.
And I think that's a mistake.
I don't think any one person, certainly not
a governor.
I don't think a president.
I don't think anyone can change the trajectory
of this.
It truly is about every single one of
us.
And I can't emphasize enough the damage that
social media and the Internet is doing to

(02:09:03):
all of us.
Cox for president.
Those dopamine hits, these companies, trillion dollar market
caps, the most powerful companies in the history
of the world have figured out how to
hack our brains, get us addicted to.
Hold on a second.
Stop.
What social media company has a trillion dollar
valuation?

(02:09:25):
I can tell you what companies have.
Meta?
Meta?
I don't think they have a trillion dollar
valuation, not a market cap.
I know Apple does.
But that's not social media.
I think Amazon goes.
I think Microsoft for sure.
Yeah, but those aren't social media companies.
The social media companies to me are.

(02:09:45):
Make no money.
Well, no, they make money.
I mean, Meta makes money.
Meta is a good example.
But I don't think they're, I'll look it
up.
But that'd be the only one possibly with
a trillion dollar market.
Well, also, there's not the most.

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