Episode 195: Grep Pipe

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Adam Curry (00:00):
Podcasting 2.0 for September 27 2024 episode 195,
Grant pipe, hello everybody.Welcome once again to podcasting
2.0 when it's podcasting 2.0 youknow, it's a Friday, usually it
is time once again to talk aboutpodcasting. Everything going on,

(00:20):
the past, the present, and, ofcourse, the future. This is the
boardroom, and we are the onlyboardroom that doesn't shut down
companies we acquire. I'm Adamcurry here in the heart of the
Texas Hill Country and inAlabama, the man who ensures we
will never succumb to entropy.Say hello to my friend on the
other end, Mr. Dave Jones,

Dave Jones (00:42):
the next company we acquire will be the first
company that we acquire. Iwonder if any company out there,
the only way we could acquire acompany is if they would take
like stock, like credit, credit.

Adam Curry (00:55):
Do you take credit? Visa debit,

Dave Jones (00:59):
like Zelensky, like crazy.

Adam Curry (01:03):
I just want some credit, man, just give me some
credit for some bumps. Yeah,yes, yeah. All right, everybody,
it is time once again for theboard meeting. I am ready. I'm
very excited, excited to talk toyou. We never talk Dave and I
only talk on Fridays. Prettymuch, pretty much, sometimes,
yes, sometimes a weekly call.But how

Dave Jones (01:26):
you doing the last couple of weeks have been we've
had a bunch of calls withpeople.

Adam Curry (01:29):
Oh, man, we don't like it. I don't, I don't like
it meetings.

Dave Jones (01:37):
I mean, like meetings,

Adam Curry (01:38):
I know. I know, I know. Well, we had, we had our
follow up meeting with clicks,clicks, yes, yeah, C, l, i, x,
yeah. Those guys might be thefirst company we've had a
meeting with. They mightactually integrate something.
What do you think? Yeah,

Dave Jones (01:55):
I think so. And they so they were not that was a nice
meeting, because we talked aboutsome things for what about 2025
minutes, and then their, I don'tknow your CEO president, whoever
was, was like, Yeah,

Adam Curry (02:12):
I think he's the CEO CEO. He

Dave Jones (02:14):
was like, All right, I think we got some good stuff
done. So about 25 minutes, let'sget, let's, let's all get off
this call. Okay,

Adam Curry (02:21):
that was the same call I had the last time. It's
like, 30 minutes. Like, the onlyguys I think I've ever talked to
that schedule 30 minutes and do30 minutes. I

Dave Jones (02:30):
mean, it was not a minute over 30. And I was like,
Yes,

Unknown (02:35):
great. Couldn't be happier to get off that call.
Yeah,

Dave Jones (02:39):
Ashley was, was just thinking about some stuff, and
then he's like, All right, time,

Adam Curry (02:44):
don't worry, Dave. Everybody saw you drifting off
like, Oh, we're losing Dave,time to end the meeting. He's
the mic. Time to end themeeting. Oh, man,

Dave Jones (02:55):
I heard you on the new media show.

Adam Curry (02:57):
I had a good time on the new media. Yeah. Well, it
was so Rob had pinged me acouple weeks ago. He says, hey.
Man, hey. Man, Rob talks justlike, hey, man, do you want to
be on the the board of advisorsfor the Rio, for the rock world,
the podcasting Hall of Fame? I'mlike, no, no,

Dave Jones (03:22):
you would not in a million years. Would you ever

Adam Curry (03:25):
do that? No, well, also, you know, you and I, we
made our own little pact a longtime ago. We're not going to be
advisors. We're not going totake stock from anybody. We're
just going to be completelyindependent. Therefore, we're
clean, baby. We're like, we'relike, Virgin snow, we are clean.
I said, I can't be a part ofsome. It always becomes
political, those things. And bythe way, you know, outside of

(03:49):
the very first award shows, andI can see the Hall of Fame, I
mean, there's, there's a numberof people who, if you want to
have a Hall of Fame, probablybelong there, but it's like the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Iused to go to those dinners in
New York. Was $1,000 a plate atthe Waldorf. It would be, you'd
have Phil Spector, you'd haveMick Jagger, you'd have the

(04:12):
kinks, you know, just everyonedressed in tuxedos eating rubber
chicken. Big jam at the end,with Paul Schaefer in the
world's most dangerous band. Andeverybody would get up, get up
on stage, and then, you know, acouple years later, it's like a
three hour MTV special with Abbabeing inducted into the Rock and

(04:32):
Roll Hall of Fame. It's like,no, that's what always happens.
You know, rock and roll startedat a certain point, and you
know, you can only put so manypeople in who were there at the
very beginning, and it's justno. And then rob comes back. He
says, Hey, man, well then Iunderstood. Would you like to be
on the new media show? That wasyour consolation prize. That was

(04:54):
second prize. You get to talkfor an hour and a half on the
new media show. What did youhear? The whole thing?

Dave Jones (05:00):
Yeah, I'm about two thirds through it right now.
It's a good show. I like it.

Adam Curry (05:04):
Yeah, I actually, I think the rodecaster was
crackling. I'm not sure I didn'thear it. No, that's correct. I
listened critically, and I'mlike, I rebooted it right away.
You're

Dave Jones (05:17):
too critical of your own audio. You're you. You
always have a pro some problemwith your audio when nobody else
can really, can you

Adam Curry (05:23):
ever be too critical of the audio? Though? Can you
ever really be too

Dave Jones (05:27):
Yes, you can't. Yes, you can. Yeah, you can. Have you
heard some of these podcasts?Yeah, yes, you can be too
critical of your audio. AlthoughI tell everybody, like, if you
compare yourself, I mean, if youcompare your there's a certain
level, your audio is justcompletely acceptable, like,
it's just more than adequate,yeah, but compared to it's like,

(05:48):
the 20% rule or whatever,compared to the other 80% of
everything out there, it's like,yeah, a relief to hear your
show.

Adam Curry (05:54):
Well, I always like it when I hear people saying
that I've ruined other podcastsfor them, but I always take
great pride in that, like, Ican't listen to these other
podcasts. You've Rowan debt.Yeah, I totally agree. But
luckily, and I will say this,even though I'm not a fan of it,
but I think it's good that manypodcast apps have some kind of
processing in it, you know, sothat you can, you know, equalize

(06:18):
the levels a little bit and makeit sound better, which is, to be
fair, it's what we had on ourstereos, our towers. Back in the
day, we had treble and bass, youknow. And if

Dave Jones (06:29):
you're Neff said, if you want bad audio, listen to a
Bitcoin podcast, that

Adam Curry (06:32):
is definitely true. I got a sweet email from this
guy. He's in Austin, actually,and he's doing a sports podcast
video, and it's four guys, andI'm like, whole, and he's like,
you know, and he gave me hisgear. Let's say, could you
please help me? Trey is hisname. Can you please help me? I
can't get it to sound right, andI tune into this thing. This got

(06:52):
like, four different mics. He'srunning a Mackie board, and only
two have compressors on them. Soone mic is, like, totally,
completely over modulated. Theother guys, the other guys are
coming in through that mic. I'mlike, Man, do you have a budget?
Because we got to get yousomething else. And actually, I
said, if you got two, she said,Why should I get the rodecaster

(07:13):
Pro? Like, you know, it's alittle overkill for what you're
doing, but for the same cost,you could get two audio sigma
pod mobiles. They will solveyour problems. I've been hearing
people use the pod mobile andman, especially in a boomy room
or a kind of a roughenvironment, it really, really

(07:37):
does the business. I am so proudof Fernando.

Dave Jones (07:40):
Would you say now, would you go as far as to say
that the audio quality you getout of the out of those are
better than the road cast?

Adam Curry (07:47):
Yes, yes, wow. The microphone processing, yeah, and
it's simple. It's simpler. Youhave a lot now that I can't
really use it, because I have tobe able to process Dvorak, or
you coming back in, and itdoesn't allow it doesn't have
that

Unknown (08:05):
functionality. It doesn't have the extra audio
interface. It does have the

Adam Curry (08:10):
extra audio interface, but there's no
processing on it, so Andhonestly, you know, most people
won't want to do that forinterview situations. It works
just fine. And maybe in a futureversion you can put that in, but
it doesn't matter. I mean, forjust two people doing a podcast,
or if you connect two of themtogether, because you can link

(08:31):
them, you can do four people. Imean, I would go with that time
after time and I and even thoughI was tempted, I will not be
buying the rodecaster. Video,

Dave Jones (08:43):
well, you were tempted for that, wow, from

Adam Curry (08:46):
a gear perspective, yeah, just because the gear, the
gear

Dave Jones (08:49):
flood and you wanted it, yeah, because it

Adam Curry (08:51):
came out, I immediately got the manual and
read it in bed, and I'm readinglike, Oh, man. I was like, if,
if I were to build this, this isexactly what I would build. It's

Dave Jones (09:00):
things you read in bed, yes, not wearing the things
I thought of.

Adam Curry (09:05):
It's very high on my list. I'm zooming in on
diagrams. Like, okay, so this ishow that works. I thought, you
know, well maybe. And then I'mlike, What am I doing? I'm
getting sucked in. Go to sleep.Then I just know, oh, I'm about
to get cameras and lights. Andwhat am I thinking? No, no, no,
no. That's like I could do theno agenda. Oh, but not to do
clips, not to do video. No, no.It's just not worth it. Although

(09:30):
the gear itself is nice. I mean,it's a nice piece of kit, and I
don't think 1199 is too much forwhat they're offering. Oh,

Dave Jones (09:39):
no, I'm sure that that seems I mean, in that
market, when you get in thevideo market, everything gets so
much more expensive anyway,yeah. I mean, I guess they're
probably going up against thingslike the Tricaster and stuff,
yeah,

Adam Curry (09:51):
oh, they'll, they blow all of that out of the
water. I mean, I haven't kept upwith everything, but we're far,
far from the days of the. Yougot Video Toaster, my friend,

Dave Jones (10:02):
remember that? I mean, yeah, oh, yeah. Video is
all great until you forget thatyour camera's on and you pick
your nose then, then

Adam Curry (10:15):
there's that. Now, I love, I love audio so much I
really do. It's, it's the best,it's the easiest, you know. So
anyway, that's all. We had agood time on the new media show.
I thought we had some good chatsabout about podcasting 2.0 and,
you know, I did my little spielabout value for value and told

(10:35):
people that about the no agendashow, which will be celebrating
1700 episodes next Thursday, and17 years, 17 years, and we never
had a fight in October, october26 I think 17 years.

Dave Jones (10:54):
That's how so one thing you said during it was fun
to hear you kind of go over someof the the history of no agenda,
I think I started listening tono agenda. It was early. It was
maybe, it was in the hundreds.It was maybe episode. Oh, really
that early, huh? Yeah, veryearly. It was maybe, maybe 150

Adam Curry (11:20):
How did you find, how did you Oh, we already knew
each other, I guess, through,through the Weiner projects.

Dave Jones (11:26):
Yeah, well, when the Weiner project started, I had
already, I think I became alistener, and then immediately
dove into the Weiner project. Soit was, I think that's roughly
with like that was those wereconcomitant with each other. I
think it was in the it was inthe hundreds somewhere. But I
think, I think I came over from,from one of the Twitch shows

(11:49):
just because

Adam Curry (11:50):
of war act. Yeah, that tweet is on its last legs.
Man, no, it's, it's on its lastlegs.

Dave Jones (11:57):
I was there for a lot of the history of it. When,
when did you move to LA?

Unknown (12:04):
Myself, not

Dave Jones (12:05):
LA, my second wife,

Adam Curry (12:09):
first for time frame, yes, first wife, second
wife. Okay,

Dave Jones (12:16):
it was around that time. Oh, well, let's

Adam Curry (12:18):
see, I moved to LA in 2008 No, 2000 Yeah. In that
time frame, 2000 Yeah. It musthave been in the hundreds, 2008
when people were sending me freebitcoin

Unknown (12:34):
and saying, This has a future. Adam,

Dave Jones (12:37):
I had been I'd been listening for a while. I'd been
listening for a while already,and by the time the episode hit,
where you were interviewed aboutMichael Jackson on like C CBS or
something

Adam Curry (12:50):
CNBC, that was legend. That was legendary.

Dave Jones (12:54):
I don't remember what whatever year that was.
I've been listening for about ayear at that point.

Adam Curry (12:58):
Let me see, I think I have. I it was, let me see,
oh, this is actually, have thatclip. You want to hear that
clip? Yeah, it was cut you off,right? Yeah. Does Michael
Jackson die? Yes. Then it hungup on me. Michael Jackson died,
and they called me for someunknown reason, like, oh, let's

(13:18):
get that MTV guy on. I mean,there seems to be an insatiable
appetite for this. Yes,absolutely.

Unknown (13:24):
And I'm amazed you're showing the footage, and
everyone seems to be showing thefootage of these rehearsals just
two days before. Here's a guywho clearly was in great
physical shape. He had 3040,concerts coming up in the o2
Arena in London. That's a hugeproduction. You have to be
preparing yourself a year inadvance, at least physically.

(13:45):
You can't put on a show likethat without an enormous
insurance coverage, whichincludes a tremendous amount of
physical testing. So I'm amazedat what happened that I know
that there's breaking news aboutsome form of medicinal drugs
that were found in his home. I'mquite like family that no one is
looking at a murder angle onthis.

(14:07):
Well, we shall see.

Dave Jones (14:11):
Get rid of me. Yeah, you were dressed. They just is
like, cut.

Adam Curry (14:16):
We're done. Yeah, I can't believe you said that.
This man's horrible. We'll neverhave him back on again.

Dave Jones (14:22):
Yeah, and you said that, and then people went to
jail a few months

Adam Curry (14:25):
later for killing him exactly. Man, yeah, you know
it was

Dave Jones (14:32):
good to hear you go over that history, though that
was good.

Adam Curry (14:34):
Oh, I'm glad you like but I want you to have a
listen and we'll, uh, point outthat they didn't put me in the
splits. Thanks.

Unknown (14:42):
No, they left you out. Yeah. Unlike

Adam Curry (14:44):
your board meeting, which always puts our guests in
the splits, always

Dave Jones (14:48):
you should put, you should put Todd and Rob in the
splits, just to heap coals upontheir head.

Adam Curry (14:53):
Yes, keep coals upon their head. I think that is
Proverbs 27 Seven, actually,maybe 26 burning coals. Burning
coals. I didn't hear them. Promoit on power on the pod news
weekly review, which I did havea chance to listen to. Tomorrow,

(15:13):
there's a virtual summit. Thepodcasting 2.0 virtual summit
taking place.

Dave Jones (15:21):
I know, what is a ver what is a virtual summit
like? What is this? Oh, what isthis? Is probably something that
I should have known, that I'vebeen told about five times and
just don't remember.

Adam Curry (15:31):
Let me see if I could find it. The podcasting
2.0 virtual Summit, live andonline in the podcast apps, I
believe Barry from pod home ishe's probably doing the feeds.
Oscar, Mary will be there. I'llbe there. DJ, Valerie B love
will be there. She's pretty goodat the value for value stuff.

(15:52):
And it starts off, I thinktomorrow, at 11am our time. Oh,

Dave Jones (15:57):
is this the one that Sam is doing? No, Sam said this.

Adam Curry (16:01):
No, this is not the SAM thing. This is something
else, I think. But if it wasSam, then we would have had 20
minutes of promo, that's why.But, well, that should be fun.
And then we had a you're gonnabe on there? Yes, yeah, I'm, I'm
opening it up. And Valerie Blove is going to fireside chat,

Dave Jones (16:24):
summits. Summits invoke the idea of the pinnacle.
It's a conversation, yeah, yeah.Conversation.

Adam Curry (16:32):
It's a conversation, okay, unlike the I got so after
I did the new media show, I hada really busy day. I had
promised this, this, this groupwho are doing the podcast,
knowledge festival, I know coolin Holland. I said, Oh, you

(16:55):
know, can you do a little videofor us? Like, yeah, I could do
that.

Dave Jones (16:58):
What? Like a promo video, well,

Adam Curry (17:01):
no, like a, like a mini keynote, basically, oh,
wow, let me see. And so then allof a sudden, I'm Hello Adam
curry here in Texas, and openvideo, manure by you Lee by the
BNR podcast, Kenneth festival.

Unknown (17:20):
It was, I understand a lot of the things you're saying,
yeah, like podcast, festival,
Adam curry,

Douche (17:27):
I speak Dutch.

Adam Curry (17:28):
You do, you're a Dutch master. So it was, it was
very, very I did 13 minutes inone take. I was pretty
surprised. Like, Oh, all right,was your, you're a pro. I was, I
was doing, I was doing videoanyway. You know, I was doing
video the whole day, so, andthat'll be my video. That'll be
it for video. This, this for theyear, for the year. You know, we

(17:50):
were talking about, I think wementioned, well, we've been
talking about entropy and AI andstuff. And I told, I think we
talked about, in the last boardmeeting, where I said, I'm, I'm
all in on just flooding,everything with AI, flooding
social media with AI, so themodels collapse. And so you know
that the companies go broketrying to keep their models
clean, and there's a term forit. There's a term for it. Now

(18:14):
it's called AI slop.

Dave Jones (18:17):
Oh, this is, this is like you. So this idea is like,
insistence is resistance. You'relike, yes, you know, I insist on
using these products in orderfor them to destroy themselves.
Yes, I want to. I want you wantto. You want to be afraid you're
having a front row seat for thefor the self destruction. Yes,

Adam Curry (18:38):
and I want to take credit for it. I did that. You

Dave Jones (18:43):
know what grok? What grok refers to me, you and me
and everybody else. Grokconsiders us to be local pockets
of decreased entropy, otherwiseknown as humans,

Adam Curry (18:57):
local pockets of decreased entropy.

Dave Jones (19:01):
Yeah, do you see brown of London? Like posted?

Adam Curry (19:05):
I did see, did see that? Yeah, that makes sense.
And, you know, I was thinkinglike, I mean, social media is
going to become unused, unusableas a particular x will probably
be first to go because of theirvery tight integration with
grok, but people are alreadyseeing huge problems with

(19:25):
reviews. So any review website,or any product website that has
reviews, it's now filling upwith AI slop. Comments
everywhere are being filled withAI slop. It's all you know, just
a different version of commentspam. I mean, I'm just waiting
for text messages, althoughthat's kind of already there. I

(19:48):
guess political AI slop iscreeping in places where people
can upload stories. You know,where writers are writing short
stories. People upload. AI slop.And of course, once it's up
there, then it gets re ingested.And then, you know, hold on. You
know, buckle up, because it justgets worse and worse. And then,

(20:12):
as I'm getting ready for theboard meeting, I'm like, you
know, I think I'm just gonnamove to IRC for my social stuff.
IRC is so exclusively Well, Imean, for real signal, you know,
for, you know, for re because,first of all, it's ephemeral. I
don't care. I don't need to seewhat someone posted five days

(20:34):
ago. That's part of the problem.Is what someone posted five days
ago, on, on x. I just want realtime interaction. I want to be,
get be IRC is such a richenvironment, if you just even
look at at our own IRC serversthat we're all using, which is
the void zero, you know, zeronode.net, I mean, you can have

(20:54):
your own room. You can have youcan have moderation
capabilities. You can add coolbots. I mean, it could be a
great place for me to just post,you know, when I have a new
show, post it there. People getyou can determine what, what
nicks or handles alert you tocertain stuff, and it's, and I

(21:15):
think, because it's ephemeral,AI will, you know, you can, you
can block AI out. You just kickit off. It's not part of a
platform. It's just, you know,protocol. And I just thought,
you know, maybe I just move overto that, and, and, and

Dave Jones (21:30):
it makes sense. It's like, it's like, I mean, it's
like Slack. And I think peoplelike that for that reason,
because you don't, yeah, IRC is,but I mean, it's like, Slack is
just IRC this whole day. It is,it is, again, on top of ours,
right?

Adam Curry (21:44):
But again, it's, it's another platform, and
someone else controls it, andIRC, you can have your own
server and it federates. I guessslack can federate too, in a
way. But yeah, yeah, I thinkyou're probably right. Slack is,
in a way, just the fancy skin onan IRC server. Maybe it even
started that way. I don't know.

Dave Jones (22:03):
It always looked that way to me. It had the same
I always thought that it wasjust a skin, but it, you know, I
fell into this trap too, of likehaving to, you know, I want to
own my content, and I want tohave my own, you know, sir,
server for being, being onsocial media and all these kinds
of things. And I, the other day,I just went back and in my

(22:24):
podcast index dot socialprofile, and just set my history
to auto delete itself afterlike, a certain number of weeks,
maybe a month or so, or 90 day.I can't remember what I said it
to but I saw that I had like, 20something 1000 posts on podcast
index, dot social, what a

Unknown (22:42):
waste, and it made me depressed.

Adam Curry (22:44):
I'm always whenever Tina's posting something on,
well, she got rid of her her ex.I'm very proud of her for doing
that. Oh, she did. I'm shuttingthat down. It makes me too
anxious. She's always been onInstagram and and she'll post
something like, why are youworking for Zuckerberg? Why are
you making his platform morevaluable? Why? Yeah, it's like,

(23:08):
well, of course, there's no,there's no right answer to that
question. There's not. But Iwill say that Zuckerberg has a
pretty interesting strategy.He's kind of on the AI slot
bandwagon in a way. You know,metashole ai play is the llama
model, and they're just puttingout open source and, you know,
they intend to once it's, youknow, once people have figured

(23:30):
out how to do stuff with it. Iuse llama on my start nine, and
I use this useful for somethings, you know, then they're
going to create applicationsthat you can put on top of your
own AI models. I think that'sactually the way to go.

Dave Jones (23:47):
Yeah, I think, I think they're, I think they want
to blow that whole thing up,yeah, like, like you said, and
then boost the the other, youknow, the Google angle. I've
always been of the opinion, andI continue to be, that Google is
bringing these things, these AIthings, out in order to in,

(24:10):
like, visibly, publicly, very,very publicly, failing at them,
just to show, just to strike, alack of confidence In the
market. Um, well,

Unknown (24:21):
you know, go ahead,

Dave Jones (24:23):
I was just gonna say, because they, they
developed so much of what, ofthe transformer technology that
that is the source behind allthese, all these models, and
they, but they never really didanything with it. And it's
because they know that it's longterm, not a viable like it's it

(24:46):
See, here's the problem witheven discussing stuff like this,
is, is you can? You have to beso nuanced in how you describe
its shortcomings and its and itslimitations. Because if you just
say, AI. Is not viable. That'snot exactly accurate. Because
we, you know, we can all pointto use cases. You could sit

(25:08):
there and dream up 10 or 12 usecases where it would make your
life simpler in a certain usecase. But, but if you take it
and you write it large, you say,large language models that are
based on public data sets fromfrom the internet that is of

(25:28):
such limited lifespan, yeah,just just like what the grok
thing that Brian posted. So Iwas that that phrase local
pocket of decreased entropythat, you know, I'm like, Okay,
well, let's, let's just stickthat in quotes. Let's take this
term, local pocket of decreasedentropy, put it in quotes and do

(25:51):
a Google search from it. Wheredo you think that that came
from?

Adam Curry (25:55):
Grok?

Dave Jones (25:57):
No. I mean, where? Where did grok get it from? From

Adam Curry (25:59):
Google. I'm sure Reddit, oh, red Reddit, yes, of
course. Well, Reddit is sellingtheir data. They're making
that's one of their main revenuedrivers now, is selling their
user data to to the AIcompanies, yeah.

Dave Jones (26:14):
So you can, you can go on, you can find this term. I
was like, that is very specificterm. That's such a good point.
And if you and if you quotesearch it, you can find that
that came from the local pocketof decreased entropy. Is a term
that groks large language modelgot from a few posts on Reddit.

(26:36):
And I

Adam Curry (26:36):
see it right here. I see it right here under evidence
for creator,

Dave Jones (26:40):
right r slash evolution, yes, yes, it is. And
so this is this. These are not.These are not. It is not
gleaning. It's it's notgleaning. This data from, from
x, from experts or vettedmaterials. This is just coming

(27:01):
from, from people discussingthings on the internet, right?
And at some point it's going tobook is going to come from
people discussing things wherethey're injecting AI output, and
then you're going to start tosee the model collapse
accelerate,

Adam Curry (27:15):
yeah, and, and what this really does is it destroys
Google search capability.

Dave Jones (27:25):
What do you mean? Like, flesh that out? Well, I
agree with you, but I want tohear what, how you describe it.

Adam Curry (27:31):
Well, so Google is just always crawling the
internet, and so it's pickingall this stuff up. So it's
picking up, you know, it'll pickup the transcript of this
podcast. Yeah, when it comes tolocal pockets of decreased
entropy, it'll see linkspointing towards this podcast
and this transcript, it'll, youknow, push it up the up the

(27:54):
ladder, and, you know, beforeyou know it, we've got it.
We've, we've, we've birthed thememe, you know, but it's, yeah,
it's not necessarily useful ifsomeone is, you know, looking
for some information. Lpdes,

Dave Jones (28:05):
we've, you know, local pockets.

Adam Curry (28:09):
PD, I'm a pocket of decreased entropy.

Dave Jones (28:12):
Well, this actually fits back into, what, what the
just let me, let me actuallypull that up, because this, this
is an interesting sort of it,the the whole idea, what Brian
asked was, how does Darwinianevolution produce, uh, producing
increasing complexity go againstentropy? And so the the answer

(28:35):
was this long thing with bulletpoints, and a lot of it is stuff
that you know, is, is alreadyknown and and discussed and
debate and debated by actualpeople. So like, yeah, energy
flow, longer time scales wealready saw, you know, we talked
about that last week. You know,just, just giving something more

(28:56):
time doesn't doesn't help you inthis, in this issue, but this
sort of the main thrust of theargument that that is being
formulated by this AI, is that,or by this language model
synthesis, is that it's not acontradiction to Have evolution,

(29:18):
evolutionary progress that wouldbe ascent with modification,
because even though it does defyentropy, it's not a because you
have an injection of energy froman outside system. So this would
be the sun. So the Earth is nota closed system. It's an open
system that gets its energy,that gets an energy input from

(29:40):
the sun. But you know this, andI'm going to pull this back to
what you're saying in justsecond, but the more the more
energy. Well, first of all, lifeis built from energy and
information, not just energyitself. I mean, I would argue a
third requirement as well, whichwould be a will, but we'll you
can leave that. Long for now.So, you know, energy has, excuse

(30:03):
me, information has two possibleaspects to it. You have a
physical representation of thatinformation, and then you have
its meaning information.Information isn't just bits.
It's the bits and their meaning.So let's, let's, you know,
imagine that you took a SSDdrive and you launched it into

(30:24):
space, into, you know, where ithad direct exposure to, like
solar flare radiation, and thenin a few years, you brought it
back down to earth, and it hadbit flipped like crazy, because
it's getting penetrated by thisradiation all the time, you
would have lots of bits. Youwould have lots of ones and

(30:45):
zeros on this drive that theywould be completely meaningless.
So the information isinformation is not information
until it has meaning to it.There's a there's a term for,
you know, like informationwithout meaning. We call that a
bug.

Adam Curry (31:03):
Need to route around it. Yeah.

Dave Jones (31:06):
Or, or, if you have information without meaning in
your DNA, that's called cancer,wow. Information without meaning
is not information, it'ssomething else. So that, you
know, that's the first part ofthat. But then energy, the
energy aspect, energy withoutdirection, is destructive. It's

(31:29):
not constructive. So if you justinject energy into a system,
you're more than you're morelikely to kill the system. The
radi Yeah, you're gonna, you'regoing to increase entropy, not
decrease it. Think abouthurricanes and solar flares.
These are large influxes ofenergy, and they take, take a

(31:49):
take a beautiful wooden, youknow, like a like an armoire or
a chest or something that'sbeautifully decorated. Take it
and sit it out in the direct sunenergy, you know, barrage, like
in a desert for a few years, andyou'll see that it is a
destructive process. Energyinflux does not build, it

(32:11):
destroys so, like, informationdegrades over time as well. So
you have to have, you know, youhave an influx of energy from
the sun, but if it's undirected,and it's directed by the it has
to be directed by theinformation. So the energy is
coming from outside the system,but also the information is, I
would say that that informationcomes from, god, yes, in a

(32:32):
directive process. But you haveto have those two elements. So
the the same way with AI, youknow, you have this influx of
energy coming into andinformation coming into it.
Those two things, if notproperly directed, are
destructive, and people aretrying to control it right.

Adam Curry (32:53):
There you go, these

Dave Jones (32:54):
guard rails on, on it, but, but ultimately, it's,
it's, I think the we're going toprove to be incapable of doing
that.

Adam Curry (33:04):
But, man, people are going to make a lot of money on
those stocks. In the meantime,this is really what it's all
about. Yeah, yeah.

Dave Jones (33:13):
This week in entropy, yeah.

Adam Curry (33:16):
Move to some structured content here the
podcast standards meeting theyheld in Washington, DC,
published their their wishes formoving forward. Oh, you're
talking

Dave Jones (33:32):
about the blog post. Yes, they have a blog. Yeah, let
me copy them,

Adam Curry (33:37):
yeah. And so they, they have a first they
celebrated the podcast pod rolladoption, which I think is good.
It hasn't really surfaced inmany places yet, but people are
creating them on their feeds,which is good. We do it on this
show. Oh, it has something totell you, by the way. Well, what
are you drinking? First of all,

Dave Jones (33:58):
this is a Lacroix, pure unflavored mineral water.
Okay, you

Adam Curry (34:02):
want to tell me something first before I move
on, so you don't write it down.

Unknown (34:07):
I won't forget. Okay, I'm

Adam Curry (34:10):
reading here from the blog post enhancing the
podcast the person tag. We spenda lot of meeting brainstorming
how could improve the podcast.Person tag. We explored the idea
of attaching a GUID to eachperson with a central service or
endpoint for storage. Thisapproach similar to Gravatars,
role in Avatar management. Couldit significantly enhance the
tags utility? We touched on thisbriefly on the last at the last

(34:31):
board meeting, the utility wouldbe improved identification of
individuals across differentapps and services, increased
adoption by podcast hostingcompanies and apps and new
opportunities fordiscoverability and cross
pollination, and which I thinkis is good. I mean, I would love
congratulations to Pocket Cast.You know, they've integrated the

(34:54):
transcript tag so this namespacehas legs. We have liftoff. We
have real. Lift off here.Russell Harrower, it's a tough
and a Harrower,

Unknown (35:08):
it is a tough one. It's like, I can't say, drawer,
drawer, drawer, drawer. RussellHarr,

Adam Curry (35:16):
he flagged some issues with the current person
tag, and then I want to talk toyou about it for a second, Since
no one seems to have replied tohim.

Dave Jones (35:25):
Have not read it yet. Well, he

Adam Curry (35:27):
says, so. First, he say he has some you know, stuff
about well, you know, tagsshould be flexible, but he feels
that if he actually wrote a anissue. While the podcast person
tag is a great tag to have, it'smissing key requirements that
make it a valuable tag forpodcast players and applications

(35:50):
to match a podcast guest or hostwith other podcasts they've
they're featured on the currentperson tag. Documentation does
not allow for a podcast hostingcompany to link to a person ID
or social interact. Slash socialto a person. This means that
podcast players may unknowinglysay that Russell featured on why
podcast? Why? Because theperson's name match other

(36:12):
documents in that podcastplayer. So he's talking about
unique identific, identifier fora person. Now the podcast person
tag does have a an optional hreflink, which, in my mind, could
be used or should be used forthat. In fact, whenever we have
guests on the show, I always puta link to the person's website

(36:36):
of their company, or if theyhave a personal profile page, or
if all else fails, to thepodcast index, dot, social
profile. Do we need to changeanything in this tag? So he's
basically talking about being anauthentic so he's basically

(36:58):
saying we need a kind of whatpodcast standards is saying we
need a GUID for each individualperson, and how do we handle
that?

Dave Jones (37:08):
Yeah, so sit. I replied. Alberto sent me an
email and

Adam Curry (37:14):
back channel.

Dave Jones (37:18):
He sent me. It wasn't really a back channel. He
sent me an email and was like,hey, you know, heads up on this
blog post, essentially, here'sthe one that you're referring
you know, hey, you know, can weget some input on this? And I'm
glad he did that, because Iwould not have seen the blog
post otherwise, and my reply tohim was virtually identical to

(37:43):
what you just said. I replied tohim and said, You know, I'm a
couple of things. I feel like wewould be, you know, of course,
the podcast index would be gladto host any sort of like Central
list, you know, like, we couldput it on, you know, make a

(38:05):
GitHub repo for for thiscentralized list, so you could,
like, do a lookup of people, youwere your guests, who have been
on other shows. I mean, I feellike that's totally fine and and
we would be happy to host thatcentrally for the community,
yeah, and then, you know, forbut then also, and as and

(38:29):
everybody could contribute aswell. Then the idea of the GUID,
my thought was exit was exactlywhat you just said, that the
href is should be unique alreadyit. I mean it. You know, URLs
are essentially, are goods,because they have to be globally

(38:52):
unique. So if we just it, it'sgood to afford. I feel like it's
good for it to remain up, thegood, excuse me, for the href to
remain optional, because thereis this for the tag to be
flexible in that for what it isyou want it to be flexible. You

(39:15):
want to be able to say you wantto just be able to throw a
person tag in there and have itjust work, yeah? But then if you
want it to be globally unique,like a great like Gravatar does
this with your email address,yeah?

Adam Curry (39:33):
But we just don't really want to rely on Gravatar,
do we? No, I

Dave Jones (39:37):
don't think so. No, I don't think so. I don't think
so because you could, I reallydon't think so, because it
requires an email address, and Ijust don't know that. I mean,
nobody wants to associate.There's just a real hesitancy to
associate your email addresswith podcast stuff and just
right, right, I don't know, andI just don't want

Adam Curry (39:55):
to go good point after we got rid of it from RSS
fees. Now we. Want toreintroduce it back. Yeah,
excellent point. I mean, yeah,you

Dave Jones (40:06):
know that HRF should be unique, right?

Adam Curry (40:09):
I guess what Russell is saying is that it should be
unique. It should be the sameacross the board. So you so when
you have me on as a guest, you Iwould, I would prefer you to
point it to my podcast index,dot social profile, but someone
else may put in podcastindex.org or or curry.com or
something else.

Dave Jones (40:31):
I mean, I think that's the this, the protocol
itself, having the href as theunique identifier is fine, is
fine. And that solves theproblem of, that solves the
problem of uniqueness, theproblem of like, the idea of

(40:53):
wanting it always to be thatAdam curry has this href, yeah.
That can be solved with with acentral lookup. Hey,

Adam Curry (41:01):
man, I want it to be my nostr and pub.

Dave Jones (41:04):
You can totally do that. Bro, Thanks, bro,

Adam Curry (41:08):
my nostr and pub. That's my identity in the world,

Dave Jones (41:12):
like so that there's kind of like two, there's two
like angles to that desire.There's the the h ref solves the
makes it makes it possible to dothat, but then having a central
lookup repository makes it sortof Dependable that you're always

(41:33):
going to get the same hrefright. And then just, you know,
like, just like a gravatar, ifyou want to have multiple
identities. You can just usemultiple email addresses. The
same here. Like, if right, I maywant to appear on a podcast

Adam Curry (41:49):
and have a different personal Yeah, different
identity, yeah. Like, in my

Dave Jones (41:53):
personal capacity, you can be and then have a
different you can be.

Adam Curry (41:57):
Do we know on some other podcast, could be a woman?
Yes,

Dave Jones (42:00):
I could. That's right, that's for my RP, my MMO
RPG identity, my female, youknow, whatever, yeah. But that,
yeah, that's so you could justhave, you know, you could have a
day if I was on a for my dayjob, if I was on a, you know,
podcast, for you know, taxstuff, then, you know, I would,

(42:23):
I may use a different profilethat points that's more
relevant. And so then I wouldhave these two identity, I don't
know. I just think the hrefsolves it. I don't know that we
need to introduce a GUID.

Adam Curry (42:32):
No, I don't think so. But if people want to ramp
up something on make a well,wouldn't that just be a table?
You don't we already have thatbasically, then we already have
these rows in the table for thepodcast person tag.

Dave Jones (42:52):
We do, yeah, and we could just, we could see that
list by just dumping that tableout, yeah,

Unknown (42:59):
initial lookup list, repository created. It's done.
It's done. We did. It was thatfast enough? Russell,

Dave Jones (43:08):
I mean, there was he's talking now, when he's
talking about social aspect, ishe talking about, like your
social media handles or, I

Adam Curry (43:17):
guess so. Yeah, is NP. That's the end pub deal,

Dave Jones (43:22):
I guess we'll see that we, we know we need a
social tag here, and so I'm, I'mthinking, and we have yet to do
that, so I feel like that'sprobably the solution to what to
that part of what he's saying.Yeah, you've got the, you've got

(43:45):
the central look up good thing,and then you have, like, Okay,
but how do we attach, like,social media thing to that? And
I think I feel like those aretwo separate questions. I

Adam Curry (43:56):
agree. I agree. That's part of a profile.

Dave Jones (44:00):
Yeah, yeah, because, because we've talked about a
social tag, you know, like apodcast colon social tag, and I
feel like that is its own tag.And then you define it and
attach it to, to a person insome way, yeah, or maybe even
the this is interesting. Maybethe person tag could even, okay,

(44:27):
I'm getting sucked in now, yes,

Adam Curry (44:29):
you are sorry, by the way, if anyone wants to join
my new social network, I'mhashtag Adam on nodes, on zero
node.net, that's my, that's mynew social that's, that's right,
that's where you can find me.That's where you can interact
with me.

Unknown (44:47):
IRC, yes, yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (44:50):
IRC, federates, right? IRC, federates, you can,
yeah, yeah. You can get to itfrom other servers. It's

Dave Jones (44:56):
kind of real. It's a relays, yes, realizes. Relays
do. This is just like Noster,gee, only

Adam Curry (45:01):
28 years old.

Dave Jones (45:05):
Publishers, I mean, I'm looking at the person tag
right now.

Adam Curry (45:12):
Hey citizen, the first one, first one. Hey
citizen, first one in my socialnetwork. That

Dave Jones (45:17):
wouldn't fit. No idea. Wouldn't fit. Nevermind. I
retracted. I take it back. Thesocial, yeah, I think we could
do a social thing where we have,like, where we could attach,
even wrap tags in a social tag.

Unknown (45:33):
Oh, there you go.

Dave Jones (45:36):
I don't know what to think about it. Okay.

Adam Curry (45:38):
Well, that was my hot name, space talk for the
day. Let me see what else I hadon this thing. Ai content
identification. Oh, boy.

Dave Jones (45:47):
Oh yeah. That should be easy, right? We had

Adam Curry (45:50):
just we discussed the possibility of introducing a
tag to indicate AI generatedaudio content in podcasts. The
idea was inspired by YouTube.What's the what's the raspberry
for? Who cares? The idea wasinspired by YouTube's recent
implementation of askingcreators of the content makes a
real person appear to say, youknow, it does you know? You

(46:10):
might as well just auto tageverything, because everything's
gonna gonna contain AI generatedaudio, whether you know it or
not, that's the future. That'sthe future. I

Dave Jones (46:20):
know. I know. I know Apple for sure, wants that. It's
because Ted mentioned it thatthey want some way of of just
tagging, of having, like, an

Adam Curry (46:31):
AI, all going to be AI. It will all contain elements
of AI. It's unavoidable. That'smy point. That's the future.

Dave Jones (46:42):
Well, well, I mean, but how far do you go with that?
I mean, like the no agenda mayhave, may play a clip that has
some AI in it in a mockingfashion, Yeah, but you're not,
but that doesn't mean that youare AI generated content. No,

Adam Curry (47:01):
well, no, it says makes a real person appear to
say or do something they didn'tsay or do. So now they're into
the misinformation game. No, Idon't. So you might as well. I
mean, no, agenda is arguably 50%misinformation. You know, I said

Dave Jones (47:22):
that please.

Adam Curry (47:24):
I was but I played this song on the pre screen.
This one, I'll just play alittle bit. Get to the vocals.
There you go.

Unknown (47:32):
Cody Wilson forced
the way. Stark followed, led thefray.

Adam Curry (47:37):
I kind of liked this song. I just pulled it off of
the split kid, and we rightaway, it was like, That's AI, is
AI? And I hadn't even realizedit was AI. I like the guitar. I
like the riff. It's pretty goodwhen it comes to AI, is it AI?
For real? No, everyone says itis, says it sounds like it Come
coming straight out of Sumo,which probably is Sumo. I don't

(48:00):
know what that is. Oh, yeah,Sumo is the is the Sumo is
getting sued. Sumo sue me. Mo,oh,

Dave Jones (48:07):
is that the? Is that the one that enabled that, uh,
Spotify fraudster guy to do allthat? Probably,

Adam Curry (48:12):
yeah, probably. But by the way, it wasn't that. It
was AI. It was, he was, uh,defrauding the streams. That's
that was the problem.

Dave Jones (48:19):
Well, yeah, auto auto tune. Yeah, we'll make you
sound like AI. But I mean, if wego back, if somebody played, if
Cher released her auto two song,tune, song, yep, today everybody
would say it's AI, but it was,it may just be auto tune.

Adam Curry (48:35):
Yeah, that's possible. It's possible. Most
songs today are auto tune. Butanyway, oh

Unknown (48:41):
yeah, I don't like this. Live shows are auto tuned
pretty

Adam Curry (48:44):
much now, oh yeah. I mean, my theremin is auto tune.

Unknown (48:48):
That's why it sounds so good. This is why you can jam,
yes,

Adam Curry (48:52):
how I hit the notes. But you know, if you want to get
into the game of may, of askingcreators to tag their content if
it makes a real person appear tosay or do something they didn't
say or do. I will never do that.You want to highlight parody,
but it may not be parody. It'slike now you're in the in the

(49:13):
misinformation, disinformationgame. That's a very slippery
slope, people. You don't want toget into that.

Dave Jones (49:19):
I don't have a problem with a general tag that
just says, this is, this is allAI. I mean that to me that
sounds because we do that.That's similar to what happens
on the Fed averse when you cantag an account as a bot and you
say, Okay, this, this is justnot this is not a human. And
it's sometimes right helpful toknow that you could say, well,

(49:43):
this, you know, this show, ifit's if you're putting out a
feed this, every episode isgenerated by notebook. Lm, well,
then you could just tag that as,okay, this is an auto generated
feed.

Adam Curry (49:53):
I mean, there's a, there's a, I actually subscribe
to an AI podcast. Which is theautomated daily,

Unknown (50:04):
and I'll play it for you so you can hear what it
sounds like.
Welcome to the automated daily,top news edition, the podcast
created by generative AI. Nowwe're not just delivering the
news, we're empowering you tobecome a storyteller. Create
your own pie. Have

Adam Curry (50:20):
this auto skip picked list of because I'm
annoyed by hearing this everysingle time. Email

Unknown (50:24):
us info. The automated daily How do you auto skip? It?
Today is 2008,

Adam Curry (50:28):
and podcast guru, you can say, just skip. You
know, start eight seconds in.Here we go. So this Secretary

Unknown (50:33):
General, Antonio Guterres, has raised alarms
about the rising sea levels,describing them as a rising tide
of misery. You

Adam Curry (50:40):
know, it's not an, it's not an rising tide of
misery. It's not an offensivevoice. It's, it's three minutes,
you know, just gives me somesome I know where the headlines
are coming from. But they alsodo a hacker news edition, an AI
edition, and that's tediousstuff that no one will do. And

(51:02):
I'm like, Oh, I'm okay withthat. I'm okay with you just
listening to you read someheadlines and some summaries.
And of course, I love it,because this creates more AI
slop ultimately.

Dave Jones (51:12):
Well, the which is, which is your mission, that is,
yes, it is. The, there's a bunchof these in the index. And these
should all like, I would nothave a problem with there being
a little like, right now it saysnews and daily. Are the two
little badges on it, twocategories, right? So if you had
another little badger here thatyou said automated, or AI, yeah,

(51:38):
generated, or something likethat, because then you could,
then you could in, then youcould index on it and say, Okay,
I'm looking for, looking forsome shows, but I don't want AI
shows, right, right? I don'thave a problem. I think, I think
that's fine. I do.

Adam Curry (51:52):
Okay, yes, if it's, if it's just because the show is
generated by AI, but not if it'spretending to be something that
someone said that it wasn'ttrue. Of like, come on,

Dave Jones (52:02):
nah, yeah, because then then you're immediately
gonna open up the can of worms.Of it's selective editing, and
you're just gonna get all this.It's just No, I agree, and

Adam Curry (52:12):
by the way, I agree. Harv hat, CGI, I'm calling it
should be CGA, computergenerated audio. It's not AI by
any stretch of the imagination.This computer generated audio
from text files. It's beautiful.This is just fine. Let me see.
Was there anything else newapplication process? Oh, yeah,

(52:33):
you have to apply. Can we? Can Iapply? Apply to be a member.
Apply for what? What are youapplying to become a member of
the pod standards group?

Dave Jones (52:39):
Oh, don't. No, don't do that. Okay, then, then
they're gonna send you, uh,dinner, send you more emails and
invite you to a Slack channel.You don't want

Unknown (52:50):
that slide show. And I

Adam Curry (52:52):
have a feeling their meetings aren't 30 minutes. No,

Dave Jones (52:56):
okay. I like, I like the I like the way this works
right now, where, where theyhave meetings and then they just
email us the blog post. What doyou think? Yeah, it's

Adam Curry (53:07):
good, perfect.

Dave Jones (53:08):
I prefer to stick with that model. Works for me.
Works for me. Can we I've gotsome more namespace stuff if you
want to. Yeah, well,

Adam Curry (53:15):
then let me get the business. And now it's time for
some hot name space talk, yeah,because all I had was lukewarm.
Dave's bringing the heat. Dave'sbringing the heat to the
namespace. Talk,

Dave Jones (53:30):
your stuff was tepid, tepid.

Adam Curry (53:34):
Sorry, I'm sorry for being tepid.

Dave Jones (53:38):
The funding tag. Ah, my favorite. You're you're a fan
of the funding tag.

Adam Curry (53:44):
I am. I

Dave Jones (53:45):
so I realized something last night. I was
doing some some work, andrealized that the funding tag is
only for the channel level, andit feels like it should be as a
it feels like an artificialrestraint where

Adam Curry (54:07):
it should be item level as well.

Dave Jones (54:10):
Yeah,

Adam Curry (54:10):
I'm gonna, I'm completely all in on that. I
agree I done next. It has to be.I think it's I think it's
critical. I think it's critical.I didn't even realize that it
was channel level only thatdidn't either. And I also wish
that apps would make clear whatit is, you know, because, well,

(54:35):
obviously funding is just a namein the namespace, but it's
really either support this ordonate. I mean, I think those
are, those are the terms thatfit best. Use your own
discretion. Podcast guru, let mesee I don't quite like their
implementation, although it ismy data driver. I

Dave Jones (54:56):
heard you throw Jason under the bus on the new
media show under the. Endingtag. Well,

Adam Curry (55:00):
that's not throwing men under the bus. That's
constructive criticism.

Dave Jones (55:04):
Okay, you put you put his toe under a tire

Adam Curry (55:07):
and rolled and then, and then hit the gas and backed
over it again. So if I'm in anepisode, obviously it doesn't
show which makes sense, becauseit's channel level only, and if
I'm Let me see. Let me see if Ido this, right? So if I go to
the channel level, okay, sosupport this podcast is under

(55:30):
the menu bar, but not visible inthe UI. I think that that was my
complaints, like, Hey, man, andyes, it should be visible when,
when you're playing the podcast,that's, that's the ultimate
moment. And there's, there's 50%screen space on podcast guru to
put it in there. I'd love tohave that at the at the item

(55:52):
level. So can we change thenamespace? Can we change Yeah,
okay, I

Dave Jones (55:56):
feel, I feel like we should, I don't think. I cannot
imagine anybody having a problemwith this. I mean, if I haven't
heard from anybody that this,that this is a problem in in,
you know, by the end of theweekend, I'm just gonna go ahead
and do it good. I mean, I'lldocument it, I'll document the
change and make sure everybodyknows about it. But I just don't
see how this could possibly be aproblem. This is the stuff that

(56:19):
drives everybody crazy, the truerunning with scissor stuff. When
we have a discussion like this,and we're like, Yeah, I'm just
gonna change it, right?

Adam Curry (56:26):
Everybody's like, well, you make it optional,
right? You make it optional tobe item level, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's the way to do it.

Dave Jones (56:36):
So I just don't there's because you can imagine,
we can all sit here for twoseconds and imagine many
scenarios where this wouldapply.

Adam Curry (56:47):
Well, now I understand why podcast guru
wasn't floating my boat because,because it's, it's not an item
level thing. So when you're justplaying the podcast, it's not
going to show up. I mean, itcould. But just thinking from a
developer standpoint, oh no,this is when you're looking at
the all, the whole list of thepodcast, when you're basically
looking at the channel, that'swhere support this podcast shows

(57:10):
up. I completely understand howthat flows through to a
developer in putting thatfeature in again, whereas if
it's also at the item level,hello. Stephen Bell, I need that
the item level. Then, you know,then it makes sense, because
there's just a piece of datasitting like, oh, I need to put
in. I need to put this piece ofdata into the individual item on

(57:34):
the on the item player page. SoI completely understand. So,
Jason, I love you, man, I didnot. I did not mean to be
throwing you under the bus thatwas just bumping you

Dave Jones (57:44):
when you're when you're at India. Developer, yes,
still to, still to boots. Yes,

Adam Curry (57:50):
you have to, you have to have boots like that.
And that makes sense. And I'mhoping that we get some wallet
solution pretty soon. Any wordfrom the Zebedee folks yet,
nothing yet, I presume. Well,

Dave Jones (58:03):
I mean, they're kind of waiting on me because I'm, I
need to. I've set up mydeveloper account on there, but
I haven't had chance to code onit, because of this other thing
that that I've got going on. Andyou mean,

Adam Curry (58:18):
the robot, building the robot.

Dave Jones (58:23):
This thing is awesome.

Adam Curry (58:28):
It'll do your laundry, you watch.

Dave Jones (58:32):
I so wish we were building a robot. Yeah, the sub
hadn't had a chance. I'm hopingto get to it this week where I
can set up a little dim, youknow, like a sandbox type app.
Just check it out, cool. Um, onething happened this. One thing
happened this week.

Adam Curry (58:51):
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the
office. Yes, a

Dave Jones (58:54):
funny thing happened in the aggregator. Oh, yeah, I

Adam Curry (58:57):
read about this. You did Yes. This is the, the
delayed, uh, surfacing of aparticular feed. No,

Dave Jones (59:06):
no, no, no, that, that's, that's the ungovernable,
ungovernable misfits, whichthose guys are crazy anyways, in
the title,

Adam Curry (59:13):
the problem is, in the title, they're ungovernable.
It's

Unknown (59:18):
like, yeah, like, it's

Dave Jones (59:18):
not showing up. And Steven's like they're
uncomfortable misfits.

Unknown (59:22):
Exactly No. I'm

Dave Jones (59:24):
talking about a different issue that Oscar
emailed me about. He emailed mea link. Can I? Can I find this
feed? Hang on, I just got, Ijust got the booster gram blitz
in my email. So I'm gonna haveto go back through here and find
it. Oscar, here we go. Allright. This is podcast ID,

(59:47):
311232, let's see what that goesto 313311232, yeah, the ABP, AB.
P Audio, Bible podcast.com, theWorld English Bible, blended
mix.

Adam Curry (01:00:08):
Oh, I think I spoke to these guys. They have 8000
versions of the Bible. Probably.Yeah, let's see where's what's
it called again,

Dave Jones (01:00:19):
what's going on with my internet. What's wrong

with the Internet? What's the three? What's this
podcast

into podcast index ID 311232, it's the ABP. World,
English, Bible, blended, mix,January, start,
polio, okay? Bible that

didn't work very well. Podcast.com

they searched that way. Oh, Lord, they got a lot of
Bibles.

What are you searching by?

I searched for audio Bible. Podcast.com Okay, yeah.
They got World English Bible,King James Version, King James
Version, right? One hour a day,April, start, November, start
January. Whoa, they've got thismust be like a through the Bible
in a year type of thing. Yes,

they and they had a read for every i think they
reached out to me. I'm like, youguys should do it in the in the
index. And then they, theyshowed up. And so what? What
happened? What's the problem?

Well, okay, so the issue was, Oscar said there's,
there's no this episode, likethere's this episode that's not
showing up. And it was on thisspecific one, this world English
Bible blended mix January start,and he ref, he's, he gave me the

(01:01:48):
episode that's not showing up.And so I started looking through
the feed, and the GUIDs in thisfeed are like, here's Okay,
messed up the GUIDs. Well, it'sfit. So here's the GUID. The
good for one of the episodes is15. I'll just say the numbers,

(01:02:09):
one, 5.267 the next good is one,5.2681 5.269, blah, blah, blah.
So then two of the episodethat's missed. That was missing
was episode with a goodfifteen.to six, but there was
run one right beside it in theitems table with so it was the

(01:02:36):
one that was missing was 16.26the one and but there was one in
there with 16.260. Is the GUID.So what does that tell you?
Quiz, quiz time.

Give me the question again.

So there's two episodes in the feed. One has a
GUID of fifth of 16.26, anotherone has the GUID of 16.260 only
16.26

Unknown (01:03:10):
is showing up, oh, because of the zero at the end
will be ignored.

Yeah, it was part yes. It was parsing. The
aggregator. Was parsing the GUIDas a number and dropping the

zero. So you had a integer instead of a string,

specifically as a as a float or a double. Oh, yeah,

that's what I meant to say, as a float or a double.
Well, in

JavaScript, there is no such thing as a float or a
double. I think everything is adouble, but there's only one
type called number, and it canand it's just everything's a
double. So the but it so, andthey can be represented by a
decimal, you know, notation,number and even. But so the XML

(01:03:52):
parser that I use, called fastXML parser, is it has a bunch of
controls for to get around this,but none of them, like, none of
them work very well. Like, it'svery poorly documented aspect of
this, of this parser of to tryto tell it not to parse things

(01:04:15):
as a number. And none of them,

you know what this is Don't you, we need to praise
God for finding this bug for us

through the Bible. Yeah, specifically, Isaiah

Unknown (01:04:36):
will be incomplete.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. God, that was a good
bug. Find that's a good one. Hebroke the parser.

Um, I got it fixed. But I don't like the way.

Unknown (01:04:54):
I don't like the fix a Bible bug. There you go. It's a
Bible bug. It's a Bible bugagain. Okay? Okay, so the fix,
yeah, gotcha. Well, the

fix is ugly, right now it is, I see, because I'm
afraid, sorry, this could be a,this could be, like, one of
those things where you try tofix it and you end up having,
like, a, you know, bombing outthe entire aggregator with some

(01:05:24):
weird thing that you don'tunderstand because you're making
all the ways to fix this withthe parser itself. With this
fast XML parser, are sort oflike, uh, blunt instrument type
cases, yeah. Give me an example.Like, well, it's like, stop
parsing anything as a number.Oh, and I'm like, Well, you

(01:05:44):
know, I don't know what's goingon there, right, right? I don't
want to just roll that thing outand then all of a sudden have
another cascade of bugs happen.So what I ended up doing for now
is I just

um exception,

exactly, manual, if eat ID equals, yeah, then don't,
you know, basically, just turnoff all parsing for, for the
GUID field, right? So anyway,this, it's, it was, it was
interesting. You see the, Imean, when you get into RSS
parsing and you see the kitchensink. Man, oh, you

see, you see the kitchen sink. You see the
plumbing. You see that gob ofhair down at the bottom of the
pipe. You see it all

Unknown (01:06:30):
nasty, like, what

even? What even are these goo? It's like, what is so
here's,

yeah, what's the what's the generator? What was
the feed generator?

Ooh, it's good question. Let

Unknown (01:06:42):
me see here, because that's, let's go to the source,
not documented, okay, home bakedmonk,

web master, the webmasters, uh, email addresses
in here it is. XB, 64, TG,three, YSC, at Leia makings.com,
space. Web monkey, which is notan I don't even understand what

(01:07:10):
that means. Whoa. Web monkey,web

monkey, why does that sound familiar? Web monkey,
web monkey. Let me see what webmonkey is. Web monkey is.

Is that the guy that did the no agenda, website,

no, his handle, no, that's, uh, no, code monkey.
He's codes, codes monkey. Webmonkey reference, uh, hmm,
whatever happened towebmonkey.com I don't I just
remember code Yeah. I rememberweb monkey being some kind of,

(01:07:53):
yeah, web monkey, the site isgone, the site that turned
humble web developers intoattention grabbing authors.

Web Oh, web monkey. Was that that? Yeah, yeah. That
was the thing, like a tutorialside or something, I think. So
that's right, that's right. Butthese, I don't know what these
GUIDs are, so like this. Thisitem is day 267

Oh, that's got to be a Bible in a year thing,

yes, day 267 in the GUID is 15.2. 67 what is I don't
know Isaiah.

Isaiah 15. What? What? What book was it?

Isaiah 3230. No,

can't, no, can't. I

understand now what they're doing? Oh, okay, okay,
so, so, since they're doingabout days, you're gonna have a
day 26 and you're gonna have aday 260 Yes, okay,

day delimiter. That's what it is, yeah,

yeah, yeah. That's what it is that if they had put
something else in there, like,like, even one single letter in
the GUID, then it would not haveparsed that way, but, but we
need to be a business. Is nottheir fault. We need to be able
to handle whatever's thrown

at us. Well, that's a good catch. That is weird. No,
I love how the whole communitycame together to figure that one
out. Well, now

that I see that there's a whole bunch of these I
need. I'm gonna have to put inthe better fix is going to be
just, just looking for this, youknow, I mean pattern, the real,
the real fix is road pipe, yeah,there you go, grip pipe. There
you go. Got it? That's,

Unknown (01:09:39):
that's my solution to everything,
red jacks,

yeah, the fit, yeah, the right fix is to just Yeah,
create the Tweak the parserwhere it's not doing this with

that solves. I have a two minute and 28 second song
for us today. Yay. Uh. Which isbrand new from Ainsley Costello.
I would play anything by Ainsleysound unheard, sight, unseen,
and she's got some some niceguitar licks in this one, so
we'll play it. It has changedyour mind. New from Ainsley

(01:10:14):
Costello looks

Unknown (01:10:15):
nice on a screen, straight out of a magazine. Go
ahead, show some skin. Doesn'tmean that it's for him. He makes
a joke. It doesn't land. Doesn'tmean that you have to laugh. Put
his hands on your back. You cansay, I don't like that if you
can't be grateful today. Doesn'tmean that you have to take a
home. You can kiss in the darkwhile parked in

(01:10:51):
the car. Everything going onyour thought at night, nothing's
going to change. Anybody canchange
your mind if you have to pullaway, don't have to feel any

(01:11:13):
shame. It's not your fault.You're not to blame. You don't
know of anything if you came,they paid for The day. For You,

(01:12:21):
nothing set in stone, and youcan change your I've been there
before, and he may want more.And this isn't going on. You
thought it might, nothing set instone, and you can change your
mind,

fresh new music from Ainslie Costello in the
boardroom. Change your mind. Nowavailable everywhere in the
value verse,

that's a good one. Yeah, she does, yeah.

I like that guitar, man, I like that. That sound
like a real guitar guy, too.

A real guitar, yeah, not fake fake guitar. Fake

guitar guy. Like a real guitar guy, exactly.

So you, you said PayPal is gonna take Bitcoin
payments. Can Do Do you know anymore information about that? So
Dvorak

sent me an email. He was mad. It's like, heads up,
good news and bad news. He said,bad news. First, PayPal is
breaking all their existinglinks because we have a PayPal
rep, we have a we have an actualhuman we can contact, and they

(01:13:31):
say, Well, we're going to trainyou on how to do the new links
so all legacy links willapparently break. That was the
bad news, and that's where Johnwas mad, like it's it, let's
break something that's doesn'tneed fixing. Let's fix
something, doesn't he break? Itisn't broken. There you go. And
he said the good news is theytold him on the phone that they

(01:13:53):
will be accepting bitcoinpayments straight through to
fiat. So you send a Bitcoin, andI don't know if that's on chain
only, or if they'll dolightning, but I'm pretty sure
if they don't do it now, theywill, and then you receive it in
your PayPal account as fiatmoney, and that will that for

(01:14:15):
Dvorak is okay, Which means wecan finally start accepting
bitcoin on no agenda. And, ofcourse, I hope, I hope that they
implement lightning.

Let's see, let me, let me look at there's

no announcement as far as I know.

Okay, I thought, because I think I got it. I
think I saw a news article aboutit that mentioned it, though
really may have been Bitcoinmagazine that would be
surprising looking articles.What do you bet that this? Here

(01:14:57):
it is. You have PayPal enablesbusiness accounts to. Buy, hold
and sell Bitcoin and crypto.Okay, so that may, that's,
that's it, yeah, that's

different. That's different.

Do y'all have a y'all are business account? I'm

Unknown (01:15:09):
assuming that. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.

But I mean, at least y'all see, okay, here. So you,
you just jog my memory on thisnew media, show your PayPal link
in your funding tag, Todd andRob is broken.

Unknown (01:15:29):
Uh oh,

if you click, if you click through on your funding
tag, link it, it code goes to apage on paypal.com that says
something's not right. This pagedoes not exist. So whatever it
is you you got to fix that.

Yeah, I had to fix the one on currying, the keeper.
Was it broken? Yeah, it wasstill going. It was still going
to, what's that? The same thingwe had to change on the index
for the on change stuff. Whatwas that thing called? Oh, Tally
coin. Tally coin, yeah, yeah,yeah. We're still going there.
So I changed, oh,

I put out a put out another audiobook, yeah. Oh, it
is. And this time I did, youknow, I'm doing the tour of
hosting companies.

Oh, what's it? What's it called, I want to
subscribe.

This is called an occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge
by Ambrose Bierce. I will linkit.

Oh, there you go in the boardroom. Do you mind if I
play a little a piece of it?

Yeah, yeah, feel free.

Banjo, yeah. Are you playing the banjo? Yeah, that's
me. Oh, man, I love you. DaveJones, you're so awesome.

A man stood upon a railroad bridge in Northern
Alabama, looking down into theswift water 20 feet below. The
man's hands were behind hisback, and he jumped down with a
cord.

Cool. I'll listen to that. I'll listen to your
audiobooks. One episode on morecoming. Or is the whole thing in
one one deal, one

miss, short story. Nice

picture is that AI picture is that the real deal
is,

it is mid journey.

Nice.

I'm starting to get a I'm starting to get the hang
of of the whole mid journeytheme. You have to, it's like,
you have to to get somethingthat doesn't look like typical
mid journey fluff, you have totell it things like, don't

look like mid journey. Fluff, yeah, yeah,
stupid stuff like that, yeah.

You have to say things like, it is so funny how
you reverse engineer it? No, youfirst you have to know that
everything that is getting allof its content from the
internet, yeah, so then youthink like you would with an
internet site, so you can saythings like a picture taken with

(01:18:00):
a Nikon camera, right? Andthat's probably going to be
starting to pull off things likeflickerish, type, size that are
actual pictures. Yeah, you'resort of gaming the system. From
the standpoint of it's all it'sripping off other people's
content. I like it. I like it.But anyway that so I did this

(01:18:22):
one on rss.com,

and your experience. Are you going to do a review
later, an audiobook about yourtrip around all the hosting
companies, the

tour of hosting companies? Yes, maybe I should.
I should put that out. Yeah, Ishould do that. All right, I'm
going to keep everybody mad atme.

I'm gonna keep you on a schedule, baby. It says
summer hours. So Dave's, Dave'sgot to go back to the day job.
So I'm going to thank a fewpeople. Oh, already,

well, I didn't give my review of my rss.com,

Unknown (01:18:49):
uh, experience. I'm sorry. Do your do your review?
It was great.

They have audio, auto transcripts.

You should do a review podcast. Today's review
is rss.com, it was great.

And then banjo, and then the banjo

Unknown (01:19:14):
outro, play us out.

Play us out, baby. The UI is great. They have auto
transcripts, which was nice, soI was able to just go
transcript. Didn't have to doanything extra, yeah, just hit
the button. They had Albiintegrated into the UI, so I
just put in my Albi address, andit nice stuck, it stuck a value
block in there, and they said,and they gave a little button

(01:19:39):
that said, Do you want to add usas a split? And I was like,
Yeah, sure. Added them as asplit.

Um, oh, nice

pod. Ping. Shot it into the index. Immediately
created, created the entry,perfect. And then they allowed
me to put a pod role. So I put apod role in there with all your

Unknown (01:19:56):
other all your other books, all your other

books, other short stories. Yeah, no. Yep. So it
was great, good interface,great, great experience. I

will be listening this Buzzsprout. I will be
listening to this audiobook onmy walk right after the show
with Phoebe. And

I think so I'm doing Buzzsprout next. And I think our
rss.com and Buzzsprout bothrequire you they can, they can
tag it as an audio as a mediumequals audiobook, you, but you
have to just tell you have tocontact support and ask them for
it.

I was just about to ask, did you do that?

I did. I just contacted Alberto, and he was
like, he said, done.

Let me just check. Let me say, just verify. Oh,

trust, but verify good

ideas Medium. Medium equals audiobook, beautiful,
yes, sir, good job. You need tohave their background music
equals banjo

tag for Banjo. Banjo tag. We

want to thank Harv hat for boosting in during the
show with 17,776 SATs, a bigindependence boost. Silas on
Linux has been boosting all daylong. 500 SATs from fountain.
Just an idea. Adding text intothe funding tag to be displayed
in a button would be would thatbe too much like if the

(01:21:19):
podcaster decides to put donateor support, or if they want to
link to a charity or somethingelse, text for the button
itself, or description of somesort interesting idea, it's
already there, is there? There's

already a textual component to it. Oh, is that
true? Yeah. I mean, like thefunding, there's a link text
fund, you have a link, and thenyou have the text for the
funding for the link.

Let me see, let me see where it's in there already,
it's under show info. I'm justlooking at curio caster, Owner,
info, support links. Oh, yeah,phrase to ask for support, yeah,
that would be nice. Real estateis always tough. Real estate is
always tough on on the apps,though, yeah, for sure, we got

(01:22:07):
to bear that in mind. Good idea.It's done another happy
customer, raw ducks from saltycrayon howdy boardroom just
wanted to say thanks to Chadhafor helping Oscar be aware of
fountain users not being able toboost the artist directly
because of a broken value timesplit and not showing up in

(01:22:27):
helipad. All good. So far.Thanks, brother. Go podcasting.
Yes, yes. I saw thatconversation too. That was a
great debug that went so fastthat was fantastic. It was fixed
very, very quickly.

Fill me in on what you're talking

about. Oh, so in the you know, just another bug found
the fountain was not sendingalong the the TLV records on a
value time

split, yeah, okay, yeah. 1000 stats from

Sam Seth, the true fans has already extended the
podcast taxonomy in our app toinclude a label for AI. We only
use this if the hosts are AI.EG, Google notes LM, but they
should have it just, justautomatically filter it to its
own podcast. It's always thesame. It's the same. Two people
we need. Someone gave me, sentme a they uploaded a manual for

(01:23:22):
their Sony head unit for theircar stereo. No way.

Unknown (01:23:27):
It's hilarious.

Super funny. I can play that as a podcast. I

can play a little bit.

Bag (01:23:33):
So, yeah, you're about to install a new car stereo. Tools,
ready, assignment building.

But there's something hilarious right in the
beginning. Wait for

Bag (01:23:43):
it before you toss those instruction manuals aside. Yeah,
hold

Douche (01:23:47):
on, hold on. Don't do that. We're

Bag (01:23:48):
actually diving into that often ignored treasure trove of
knowledge today with the SonyXav 1500 e manual. Yeah?

Douche (01:23:56):
Because honestly, those manuals are way more
interesting. Oh

yeah, they're way more interesting. Now wait for
it like it's

Bag (01:24:03):
not just about connecting wires. It's about unlocking a
whole world of features andunderstanding the tech that's
shaping the modern drivingexperience. It's

Douche (01:24:12):
true. And this Sony manual, well, let me tell you,
it doesn't disappoint. I mean,where else are you gonna find a
warning about not eatingbatteries? Right off the bat?
Seriously,

Bag (01:24:19):
page one, safety precautions, and boom, there it
is. Do not ingest the battery.

Unknown (01:24:26):
That that is actually pretty good. That was the

first funny thing AI has ever generated by itself
without even trying to be funny.That's what made it so good. He
just got 5000 from C loss onLinux. Well, there you go. Lol,
I didn't know it had a textingalready. Didn't want to look
through the tag specific on myphone and hadn't used the
funding tag yet. Just came tomind. Okay, brother, no problem.
Thank you, Eric. PP, for your3333 we move on to, let's say

(01:24:55):
Sam set the right. Not all AIneeds to be labeled. Thank you,
Sam. You. Another 1000s fromSam, like Mastodon, he says, Add
a real equals me to the href,and now you have a verification.
Well, that could be done at anytime. That's the easy way to do
it. Triple sevens from Sam. Wow.How funny. A virtual podcast sub
it. I think there's sarcasm inthere. No idea about it as no

(01:25:16):
invite, so no mention on podnews weekly. Well, that's there
you go, I suggest this. Isuggested this online event back
in April as I did two onlinepodcast festivals in 2019 with
Kara Swisher and James Cridland.Is there an archive of that? I'd
love to hear that my onlinepodcast 2.0 event was poo pooed
by the PSP group, so they wantedan IRL event at Podcast

(01:25:38):
Movement, but no uptake, so I'mdoing an IRL podcast 2.0 event
in May of 2025, guess this eventis the same format as Ainsley
music event. Say La vie. Allright, well, I wouldn't take it
personally. Sam, we have another5000 from C loss on Linux. He
says, there, I believe isalready a thing called Social
AI. It's social media, buteverything is AI generated,

(01:26:01):
everything, profiles and postsand everything. I didn't try it.
I think it's iOS only. The mosttech bro idea possible. We have
moved far away from theinvention of the telephone tech
used to connect people farapart. Yes, banned a bad career
advice. Chad. Will there be anypodcasting? 2.0 contingent at
permissionless three in October.

Well, what is that?

I don't know. Permissionless conference sounds
like another Bitcoin Conference.Probably

permissionless three. I've not heard of that.
Yes

is the answer. No, no, yes, and then we're into the
I do a pre stream. So a lot ofpeople boosted for the pre
stream stuff and missionlessthree

from block works. Oh yeah, there's a conference for
founders, application developersand users. Yes, yikes. No,

all right, why don't you tell me what kind of boost
you got there? Uh, Dave,

oh, I guess. Well, I forgot, I left the office and
forgot to write down the PayPalsthis morning, and so I'm gonna
have to they're all mixed in. SoI'm gonna have to read them off
my email, which I hate. So let'ssee my Michael Goggin, $5 these
are the monthlies and the andthe one timers. Yeah, they're

(01:27:16):
mixed. Yeah. Michael Goggin, $5thank you, Michael. Uh. Jorge
Hernandez, $5 Charles current,$5 Christopher reamer, $10 thank
you. Christopher Cohen glasbach,$5 one day I'm gonna realize I'm
gonna come to understand I'vebeen saying his name wrong for
four years. James Sullivan, $10thank James. This was the, okay,

(01:27:43):
this is a one off. This was of$17.01 which we know is a Star
Trek donation. Yes, we do fromArchie. And he says, here to
help, go podcasting. Yeah,

thank you, Archie.

I wonder if that's, I wonder if that is pseudo or,
I'm sorry, what's his handle?You know Archie that helps
assist admins for Mitch and thepod verse Boy,

oh, I don't know his handle. It's like su pipe. Pipe,
yeah. Su pipe. Pipe, find thedevice.

Super. Pipe, right? Uh, Jordan dunville, $10 and
thank you. Jordan. Uh, drip.Scott, $15

Unknown (01:28:27):
thank you.

Thank you. Dr. Michael Kimmerer, $5.33 Chris
bernardik, $5 and that's it.That's our that's our PayPal so
I can get some boost. So

thank everybody. Appreciate it so much.

Let's see. And okay, this is how Pro I am now, uh oh,
that I realized that I forgot tosend the boosts before I left
the office. And I did that whilewe were talking about grippipe,
wow, pulled out my laptop,remote, it in to the office

(01:29:04):
machine. No, to my to the to theserver. Pipal server, yeah,
instant thing, well, and younever even knew it. No,

I had no idea. Just like I do those end of show
ISOs, you never know I'm doingit. I never even know

the beauty of audio, yes. Cole McCormick, 2222 he
says, Dave, the magic of midjourney is not that it spits out
something pretty decent thefirst time there's a new type of
creative process you need toexperiment with. It's not just
about variants. Use the blendfeature and describe look at how
it describes your personalimages and craft your prompts

(01:29:41):
based on that, give it specificinstructions on how the logo is
shaped. If you use, if you usedquote, a logo for unquote, then
I see why you feel the way youdo. But in my opinion, there is
something special about midjourney. I used it for my short
film and a drop ship. Dropshipping store. And was very
pleased with what I got.Experiment more. Okay. Well, I

(01:30:03):
am, I am experimenting. Yep.Thank you, Cole. Appreciate that
advice. Gina Everett, 3333through fountain. He says I will
give fountain some grace. Justbeen frustrated at the nostra
switch up. Fountain was finallyway less buggy for the past
year. But I understand they'retrying the best

and working hard. Oh yeah. Just really, yeah, we had
asked them to give, give the devsome grace, and

he did. And he's he finishes by saying, all love. So
yes, thank you. Gene, appreciatethat brother. Chris lass, that's
Chris from Jupiter broadcasting,yeah, 20,000 SaaS through
fountain. He says, just wantedto say, I really appreciate the
work you guys do behind thescenes for for the US podcasters
out here also, plus one to theidea of putting the on chain
address in the funding tag.Yeah, I've definitely heard from

(01:30:46):
a few listeners who wouldsupport via on chain, because
that's what they already have,where they already have their
SATs. Oh, good.

It's a good idea. I just opened up. Yeah? He just
sent me an email. Chris is like,Hey, man, can I have a big boy
channel from the index, bigboys,

Unknown (01:31:03):
I'm no kind of man, yeah,

we opened a big boy channel to to Chris over there
at Jupiter, because he's gettinga lot of boosts on that this
week in Bitcoin show. So good.Yeah, Chris,

last again, 20,000 SAS they found. He says, in my
humble opinion, we have let thecrypto skeptics get inside our
heads. I think as a community,we should lean into the fact
that boosts are powered by aBitcoin. As a small business,
I'm grateful to have support anda hard asset. It's helped me
fight inflation and keep my headabove water. Bitcoin is an
intelligence test, and I don'tneed everyone in the world

(01:31:36):
listening. I want a greataudience, but not the biggest
audience possible. These are thethings we should lean into as
podcasting community, trying tooffer an alternative to
mainstream crap. Go podcasting.I'm

gonna disagree really with my part with with
the Go Go podcasting. No, I'mgonna disagree with that. We
should only be showing boosts inSATs. I think some apps can any
app can choose whatever theywant to do, but I think there's
a bigger audience. And here's aBitcoin podcast. So I

(01:32:10):
understand. I think we need tohave, I'd love to have both,
some show both, most don't. Ithink in order to get the
general audience in you need toshow fiat money. So I'm just,
I'm just not all in on showingsets. I don't need to orange

(01:32:32):
peel everybody.

That's, I think we're gonna end up with both
solutions anyway.

Unknown (01:32:40):
Oh, I hope so, yeah. I want both for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Gene bean, not. Who is not? Gene Everett, 1337,
through. Cast O Matic, he says,Gravatar is still a thing that's
widely supported.

Yeah, yeah, I agree we can put it in.

Gene bean again, 1337, the cast O Matic, he says,
For this banner and other extrasfor the feed, why are we
reinventing things? If we wantto make something easily
consumable for sharing in manyother things, we should start
with Open Graph as the base, aschema that's already, a schema
already exists, that supportsmany things, and could be
extended to have a podcastnamespace, a lot structured data

(01:33:20):
under Data under a podcastnamespace. How would that work?
Open Graph in RSS?

Now that's an interesting thought. I have to
think about that.

So guess, I'm guessing he's saying define an
OG namespace, an Open Graphnamespace, is there one already?

I don't know for some reason, it might be open

graph name, space, XML, Open Graph namespace,
declaration, do,
I don't there's an XML and S forit, but I'll only see it used In

(01:34:15):
an HTML content XHTML context.But to look at the names, I have
to look at the XML, XML and sdocuments worth looking up,
because it is a pretty neatidea, yeah, because then you
could just stick that in there,yeah. Okay, onward.

Unknown (01:34:39):
I gotta get you out. Onward. Oh, yeah,

let's see. Where are we at? Gene bean again, through
fountain 2222 says, Come on,Adam, leave your hatred of
liberals and politics ingeneral. To other shows. This is
podcast boardroom, not apolitical podcast.

Unknown (01:34:51):
What did I do

libtards on the last show?

Oh yeah. But I was, I was actually being super kind
by giving Rachel Maddow. Know asa prime example and trying to
help her. Okay, all right, well,gee, sorry, didn't know you were
so please.

Anonymous, 5000 SATs go podcasting.

Thank you, anonymous.

Let's see Anonymous. Anonymous podcast guru user 250
sets. Kara Fraser is a badass.

Oh, that was a the song I think I played. Wow,
that's

from an old episode. Yeah, that's from episode 189.
All carrot, no stick, yeah.

People go back and check stuff, man, that was how
it goes. They're

back cataloging us. Uh oh, here we go. Delimiter,
com, blogger 23,000 savagefountain Howdy, fellow
Bitcoiners, Adam and Dave.Today, I'd like to encourage
your Bitcoin savvy audience todonate to the podcast hosted by
Adam curry curry and the keeper.Yeah. Available@www.co available
at www dot curry and thekeeper.com they need your

(01:36:05):
Bitcoin to rise on the V for Vleaderboard. So don't hesitate.
Please send them some bitcoinSatoshis yo CSV,

that's right, you know, curry and the keeper is
often in the top 10 on fountain.I'm very proud of that. We've
we've gotten our audience to tostep up. It's good. It's good.

We were fate. We were this year was fading, but
now we've staged a comeback. Wehave.

And I just want to welcome Matthew, who was going
to be hired by Libsyn, who willapparently be interacting with
the 2.0 folks. That's the way itwas brought to us. So Matthew
hit me up and we'll get you apodcasting next. Our social
login

we have. We'll have Matthew on the show. There you
go.

Excellent idea, Dave. I gotta get you out,
brother, I gotta get you back towork. Otherwise, you know, these
board meetings who might have astrike can't have that

Unknown (01:36:58):
strike. Yes, yes. All right.

I think we solved a lot of stuff today. We

did. We did, once again, the board meeting is
genius. Have a great weekend,brother. No, you mean you too
and everybody in the boardroom.Thank you very much. Join me on
my social network, hashtag,Adam, we'll see you next week.
Good.

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