Ep. 16 | Diddy aka Did He or Did She feat. Jason "Jah" Lee - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, Before we get to this week's episode of

(00:02):
Selective Ignorance, I want to make sure I let y'all
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All right, let's get into the mess. I'm your girl,

(00:44):
Mandy B and we are talking about it, and I'm
not here to play it safe. We are entering the
third week of the chaos that is the Ditties trial,
and already the streets are louder than the courtroom, allegations,
flying videos, leaking reputations and ravelin. And yeah, the biggest
question on everybody's lips ain't even about Diddy's guilt. Nope,

(01:05):
it's was Cassie really a victim? Or was she just
down with the freaky shit?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
What are we talking about here? We have a woman
coming forward with graphic, disturbing details, claims that involve control
abuse and yes, free costs, and instead of asking what
kind of man orchestrates that kind of lifestyle and who
gets harmed in the process, folks are out here debating
if Cassie was just a consenting adult with kinks, as
if sharing a bedroom fantasy automatically means you're consenting to

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being trafficked, beaten, or coerce. So let's get selective with
our ignorance real quick, because we need to talk about
the fact that people are way more comfortable scrutinizing her
behavior than questioning his. I'm seeing think pieces on Twitter
threads trying to paint Cassie like she was just going
along with it for the lifestyle that she stayed because

(01:55):
of the money, the cloud, the red carpets, that maybe
she liked the power dynamic. But can we pause for
a second, since Wn died, being a young woman in
a relationship with an older, powerful man automatically make you
complicit in your own abuse.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Stop it, get some help.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
We've got to talk about how we weaponize consent. Just
because someone says yes in a high pressure, high control
environment does not mean that they have the freedom to
say no. That's not consent, that's survival. And for all
the people saying she should have loved, she could have
loved like we ain't see the car getting blown up,
let's not act like trauma bonding and Stockholm syndrome don't exist.

(02:33):
Y'all love to quote true crime documentaries until it's a
woman you don't feel sorry for. We need to ask
why are people so quick to paint Diddy as a
misunderstood kinckster and so quick to villainize the woman who
finally found her voice. Is it because we don't want
to believe that someone that rich, that powerful, that influential

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could be an abuser? Or is it deeper? Is society
still so uncomfortable with women calling out harm, especially if
that woman once looked happy, well dressed and complicit in public.
So today I'm not here to tell you if Diddy
is guilty or innocent. That's the course job. But I
am here to question why our first instinct is to

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interrogate the victim instead of the accused, why we treat
abuse like a PR scandal instead of a power imbalance,
and why when it comes to women like Cassie, the
world would rather call her a gold digger than a survivor.
Let's get into a baby. We all selective ignorance. And

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I'm so so, so, so so excited to be joined
with a good friend of mine. Yeah yeah, oh, y'all,
we have Jason John Jod's gonna be the name because
I can't throll you Jason Lee, because there's another Jason Lee.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Me, Me and King talked about that.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
When I walked in, she was like Jason Jason, and
he was like Jake Money and never called me Jason called.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You Jason everan always been Jah now, y'all. Joe has
been a Boss Up editor the Bossip Editor since twenty eleven,
and he's likely the man behind one of your favorite
bossip headlines. He's also recently been a regular face on CNN.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'll be back on Sunday if y'all got early Sunday morning.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
If y'all not doing enough for early Sunday morning, I'll
be back on there seven am.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And you know what, it makes sense to also refer
to you John in this setting, because y'all know I'm
joined by my super producers. We got Jason the producer,
Jason in the building, and then we got a key
their gang gang Gang Gang Gang. There we go, there
we go. Oh my god, I'm with all of this.
These men, all the stosterone are we show?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Werena get sixty minutes though, what you mean sixty minutes?
I think we could probably do it two hours. We e,
this is going all day?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay, not all day. This ain't no freak off. This
is not because this would actually be a game.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I want you to define with freak off too. Later
on we'll get this a lot.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
We'll get into the ditties of it all. The Cassie
is the trial of it all. But this is how
you know we are all actually like real cool with
each other. I actually wanted to start by asking Joe, like,
you know, kind of what the hell you been actually
leaning into in terms of the headlines this week, Like
what have you actually cared about?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I mean, I'm not gonna hold you man like this.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
The Joey Badass versus everybody in the world has had
my attention. They got me but I'm a sucker for
this type of shit like this, like this rap shit
I love like I don't care who it is. I
don't care what the status is. I don't care how
many records you sold. If you're gonna rap, I just
want to see niggas go through it now.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You don't care how many records someone sold. Yeah, I'm
literally like all I'm sitting here seeing with this is
first off, Joey wanting or thinking he's gonna get a
response from Kendrick. And I was telling a king on
the phone, I said, if a podcaster that ain't got
the accolades, the records, the hits that I have even
thinks they gonna get a response out of me, they
got me fucked up, Like Kendrick has no need to

(05:57):
respond to anybody that's in this battle that's been happening. Yo,
y'all don't. I don't know if you're watching, I'm Mary,
I think you know what's crazy? No, because if you're
not in the in the sphere of people talking about you,
why would I bring light to you?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
What I mean, picture dad.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
The only thing we've been seeing Joey badass in reference
to is if you watch whatever show he's on and
they him with Soreya. They look cute, they're giving couples goals.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Well, this is the thing, right, this is this is
this is my one gripe about this whole situation. Right
is like the rec conning of Joey Badass. Right, I
get that Joey Badass in twenty was it twenty eleven,
twenty thirteen, twelve thirteen era? The blog era he puts
out a tape he was seventeen years old. It was
an impressive tape. Everybody was excited. This kid is pretty dope.

(06:44):
He sounds like he used to be signed a boot
Camp Click or something like that, and awesome, that's great,
But Joey hasn't given us enough to be considered some
kind of like demon Woligain scary MC that you have
to be worried about in that kind of way. Like
what I don't understand when this happened and people are
acting like we've been talking about Joey Badass for years,
begging for him to come back and come back out, I.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Don't I've talked to a lot of people who love
rap music.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
I haven't heard nobody say we're dying for new York
to come back via Joey Badass.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I never heard that ever.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Mind you, y'all may not be watching on video. If
you are, thank you for being a patron. Jason is
over there just cheesing. He is a hip hop head.
And the way he's like, Jason, what you're thinking about? Like,
you know what's happening with this? With this beef that
I guess is over? Now that's over.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
It's been declared over, which is rare, like.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Credits and said it's done. He really put a finale
on it. It's like it's like a Marvel post credits
scene via Daylight.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I mean, who what side? I know you a New Yorker,
but have you been rocking with more of what Joey's
been putting out or with all the West Coast guys? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean, so to go with joh it's like it
feels like paid and full when it's like I lived
for this ship right, like it was.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
It was a good battle.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I think it was decidedly jv or to be nicer,
like it was an underclass man right, and so I
could see why some people wouldn't pay attention to it.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
But I thought it was dope.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think Joey was somebody who had a lot of
prominence and potential and he I always liked the idea
of who Joey was more than like his music and
what he put out.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
But I feel like over.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
The past few months he's been kind of like reconciling
who people think he is with like what he actually
puts out. And I think that that's the part that
made it exciting. And and then for like the back
and forth, it was dope because he made it like
a very New York sound. They made very LA sound,
and then they flipped it, and then he did West
Coast sounds and they did New York beats, and so, like,
you know, I thought, I thought it was a good sport.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, do people want to do people want to pay.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Attention to that?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know, I don't know. Do you like the regular
season of the NBA?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Maybe not?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know, okay, okay, which which is fair. I don't
tune into even college basketball until March madness. Yeah, so,
but this wasn't that. This was January, so this was
an inner marrow game for me. I haven't been that
tuned into it.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think I think what happened though, if you really
look at it, this wasn't about who was the better rapper. No,
it's not about more so a message to the hip
hop community that it is more to offer than what's
been happening over the past decade, right, or.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Even what do you mean by that? So because to
be I don't want to offend nobody, right, I think
about the last decade, though not.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Decade, maybe the last five to seventh, and particularly New York.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
So when West Coast said, yo, joe you're taking shots,
Joey represents a different type of brand of rap music
that's been missing. Let him cook, right, And I don't
want to throw the drill ship under the bus, but
I'm gonna throw it under.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
The bus because because.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Because of the death that's been occurred with it, right,
So what else is there you got to get back to?
That's why I kind of think that this was kind
of a ploy. I think it might have been. It
might have been so concerted, but the Red Bull just
to have those three dudes at the Red Bull freestyle
and then they did the games afterwards. Come on, man,
that's intentional, And then the back and forth with nobody.
Really it wasn't really disrespectful, but it was kind of

(10:05):
like showing ya, my sword is sharper than yours, right,
And we got a moment from it, minus the women
who don't like yourself, the engage, but ultimately I think
it was happening. It stimulated a different idea of there's
other rappers that's dope and talented that the industry needs
to take a look at. Not those guys I'm talking
about behind them, Like it was a young kid that
came out with the Nixon six record.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Record. You you didn't know who he was before this, right.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
He's going on tour with Nico brem Is.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
He I wasn't familiar. I've seen his name before, but
I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Now because of this, we get bars from guys who
deserve their attention and then some So I think that
that's what it was, to stimulate that realism of post
Kendrick Drake, you know, And I think that is the
to me, that is the proper cultural rebuttal to the
idea that even though I agree with you Jay that
like this is a regular.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Season game, yeah, but the reason you should give a four.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
About the regular season is because that's the tenets of
the culture That's that's what it's about.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Like, that's what we're here for. For me, Like, yeah,
no lawsuits, Yeah, and no lawsuits.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
We're doing.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's not say nothing about but I'm just saying honestly,
I thought we Honestly, I was like, oh, ship, it'll
be dope to see Drake just stow a little eight
in there, like a little teaser, just to.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Say, hey, God, I thought that that was coming too.
I was like, ah, man, but you know, no, but here,
here's here's his last thing I say about it.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Like for me, this might be this might be dramatic, right,
but like I met one of my best friends because
of like niggas battle wrapping in the parking lot outside
of this bump ass scam ass telemarketing gig that I.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Used to do a legend.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Allegedly, and so like, I don't care if I'm walking
out of Costco fu Target. If I'm walking out of
Costco parking lot and I see two niggas battling and
somebody sounds nice, I might stay there with my bag
of groceries and watch because I want to here niggas,
that's nice rap And if they're gonna go at it,
that could be fun for me.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's part of my joy in life.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
So like for me, even though it's not that serious,
like yeah, I'm mostly invested, not from the standpoint of
Joey Badass or whoever the fuck, but just from the
idea of what a king said.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
And we didn't get no Atlanta niggas. I was like, well, Atlanta,
just jump in.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I wanted. I wanted somebody from Montana to jump in.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Now here's the thing you wanted. More beef, the real beef.
The only beef that I was concerned about in the
last week is the beef between humans and their stupidity.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh boy, you know why welcome.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
The inmates that escape you are. I've been getting riled
up because one nigga fell asleep on a bench, the
others was walking through the French quarter. So so far
five of them have been captured, only five, only half
of them. Well to this point, five of them have
been captured. By the time this comes out. What that's

(13:08):
she is only four days from from at least, that's
impressive that only that that five is still outside. You know,
one of them got caught because one of their family
members was like, nah, you gotta go back kids. But
I think, but I think she really just wanted the
reward money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish I wish her
name that Grace, her name Grace. Okay, A question you

(13:33):
gotta You got a distant cousin that escape prison, and
you could get ten to twenty thousand dollars if you
get them, if you if you drop you know a
line where they are? Would you turn in a family
member in the twenty thousand? But terrorists?

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yo?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
So can you you getting the twenty.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I didn't say that. You said, I'm not John. What
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Where am I at in life? And it half today today,
right now, today, right now?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
How much twenty thousand you get it tomorrow free?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
You're a civilian, A distant cousin? No, because I feel
like everything is too connected. One day I can't trust
where to get back will come from. I'll be sitting
in the waffle house minding my business and Nigga walk
in there and wig me me because I didn't turn
them into jail.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm not
doing all right, Jason, what you're doing? I'm not.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
My phone's on. Don't you not to serve I'm out
of here. I'm out of it. I'm quietly rooting for
my family, but I'm out of it. Oh, I ain't
gonna lie not. None of my family even travel to
come to any of my apartment since I've been.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Out the house.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm snitching, nigga, don't call me and tell me where.
I'm gonna let the motherfucker run me about money. Okay. Anyways,
let's get into the conversation. I guess before we get
into all of the nuanced that is what the Diddy trial? Joah,
what has been your overall outlooking thoughts on what you've

(15:01):
seen from the public discourse around the details that had
so far been released.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Well, the thing the things that kind of like, I mean, listen,
I can't. It's disturbing to some degree, but like I
expect this from niggas at this point. But like after
the first forty eight hours of the trial, like the
first two days Cassie went on, did hurt one two?
People already say oh, well they're not making the case. Really,
I don't see how they can even get And I'm
like it's been forty eight hours. Yeah, this trial is

(15:27):
gonna last for two months. The Star witness just gave
you two days of bars bars, and you're talking about
they're not making the case.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
They're not. I don't see how, Like, what are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, for those two confused, the trial is for rocketeering,
sex trafficking, and transportation to engage in prostitution, which, to
be fair, out the gate, he was he was flying
in the sex worker.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I mean like.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Sitting on one of these keys dogs. I have no lawyer,
I don't have Esquire behind my name.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
But like, bro, like, what are we what are we
even talking about? We're gonna get into I guess let's
start with Cassie's testimony, by the way, just so that
you could get a timeline of the information that we
have at this very moment. We are talking about the
first essentially first full two weeks of the trial, which
include Cassie's testimony, Diddy's teams, cross examination, Don Richards, the assistant,

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as well as the dancer escort. As of right now,
as of this morning and the taping of this kid,
Cuddy has exited the vehicle, cigarette in toe ready to
you know, give his testimony, which, to me, what you
gotta say, Yeah, I started dating Cassie and then my
car blew up. I'm curious to know if there's any
further details of what interaction he has with Diddy, but

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also how any of those interactions will relate to racketeering,
sex trafficking or.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
So one of So from what I understand, the whole
reason that Cuddy is there is because the prosecutors want
to establish that this is a criminal enterprise.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yes, and like.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Essentially essentially, like if you work for Sean Combe's bad
Boy or any of his subsidiaries, They're trying to paint
the picture that this is a criminal enterprise and the
way that Diddy is running it is with by criminal means.
So if they can establish though Cutty that because one
of the things of the racketeer.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Or not the racketeering would be Arson, Arson is under
that under that bar.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
So if they can prove that Arson was part of
one of his tactics through Cutty, then that just solidifies
in the jury's mind that Okay, yeah, we're talking about
the sex trafficking and all those type of things, but
we're talking about something bigger than that when it comes
to Rico, And if we can establish that he's on that,
then that's part of our case.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Which also they were alluding to in Cassie's testimony that
on moments that she would try to leave, that he
would have people within his org organization call her, find her,
track her down, stop her from leaving. So essentially you're hiring,
you know, essentially an army of men to keep this
woman in prison, which is which I guess to me,

(18:12):
is like the interesting part about her testimony, And I
want to get into it because, especially as a host
of formally horrible decisions and decisions decisions, I'm really big
into destigmatizing kink, and I've been really annoyed by the
correlation between a freak off and it just being a

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room of kinky people and what they like very different things,
and what essentially was happening, he was drugging these people
to the point of needing IVS and dehydration to wear Cassie.
And here's the thing too, Let's be very clear, no, woman,
if you're a man listening to this, one of the
most painful things that a woman experiences in her life
outside of birth, which I can't attest to because I

(18:56):
have no kids, is a goddamn UTI. She actually said
that she had so many UTI's and reoccurring that medications
stopped working for her. There is no woman that would
willingly sign up to have that many uts. If you
want to know what a uti feels like, I think
men get it too, but it literally.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
But different.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh my like, not only is does it hurt to pee?
You constantly feel like you have to pee and you
can't like constant.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Tang type torture.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
No, it was, it was bad. It was bad. So
I want to lean into all of us with our thoughts.
If y'all want to be ignorant, be as ignorant as possible.
Because I heard the podcast is out here. I want
to actually speak to that as well, the podcast niggas
out here.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I want to throw them under the jail with hold
you just for their opinions.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
But I work with y'all, so I'm allowed y'all to
be selectively ignorant if you're so cheat.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
She had one album I'm looking at yo STI one album?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, no, I don't know if you saw. So there's
a mixtape of hers that someone just recently found hold
on on Apple. They put it under Lil Cassie l
I L C A s SI maybe as a way
to not allow her to even get streams of momentum.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's on Apple.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Look it up now, I didn't. It isn't like the
unreleased songs. It's it's her. It's a mixtape that she
allegedly released. She said she was recording this whole time.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
But you know, I mean, so to be fair, I.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Do know people who have been in the studio with
her and worked and the songs weren't ever released, like
that was a thing. But I want to lean into
y'all's thoughts on the free calls, the escorts, the testimonies,
and if any of the information from the testimony would
lead y'all to believe that maybe she was consenting, Maybe

(20:47):
she needs some sort of responsibility in the criminal charges
that would associate her to essentially the bringing in the
escorts because she was finding them on Craigslist. I'm gonna
let y'all speak, and then i'm gonna follow in.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Well, all I'll say first is based off what you
were saying earlier, Like kink means consent.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
YEA, A part of kink is part of this is essential? Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Right?

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yes, So it's like but if you're that's the whole point,
Like there's a huge difference to your point about if
people want to be in a room together, it's nine ten, twelve. However,
many of y'all and everybody wants to be freaky, that's fine.
But if you have to coerce people, if you have to.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Let me ask you the coersion here, Okay. I also
want to read the definition of coersion because that's what
else I've been seeing online is the fact that they
were getting paid. So what's the couragion, especially from the
male escorts. So coersion is to persuade an unwilling person
to do something by using force or threats. So I
guess the coersion was really for for Cassie.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I feel like that was Yeah, yeah, I feel like
that's more about Cassie than the escorts. For the escorts,
I'm assuming, unless it's some other information come down.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
You see the text messages where Cassie.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Was like, I'm always ready to freak off. What right?

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, Well, here's the thing about it, right, I like
when people say, well, she was a willing participant, she
wanted to do it. Look at the text messages, Like, Okay,
I get that, I get what they're trying to say.
But the other part of it is like being coerced
being as you're scared. Like people understand, Like if we
talked about this in terms of pimping, right, pimping is

(22:22):
Pimping is not about I put a gun to your
head and make you do it, unlessarily, but it's about
taking control of somebody's mind, which is a real thing.
Like I don't people, I don't know why people discount
it when it comes to sexual assault victims or people
who are being trafficked or whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Just leave, just leave. Well, these people are scared out
of their mind, but they're also being controlled.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Like and if you think about it too, With the
release of one album and she was signed to the ten,
he literally had control over her entire career and livelihood. Yeah,
if she wanted to be the singer in the star,
she literally couldn't have a means of this was the
path was busy and urgent care well that too, but
I agree with you, there was a level of where

(23:04):
she was scared to where this is what she had
to do. But let me ask you, does she do this? Okay,
this is going to sound ignorant, y'all. Okay, does she
put up with this and do this with a broke nigga,
And I asked that because the discourse online is around
her also kind of obliging and consenting to doing these

(23:27):
things in exchange for the lifestyle that she was granted.
Mind you, when we get deeper into it, they're also
saying that that was a part of this lawsuit in
her writing a book, is that she left Ditty for
the help, she left Diddy for the trainer Alex Fine,
and realized that she couldn't afford the lifestyle anymore. So
it was a shakedown for money.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I mean, oh, if for broke nigga, Like she probably
wouldn't ever even met the broken.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
To even be in a situation that goes like that.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
But I mean from her testimony, but how do you
respond that for the people that would say, well, I
mean it was a relationship, right, Like I think people
have a real binary look of how this thing has
to be, Like she might have really been in love
with this nigga and really been in a situation where
she liked him and wanted to be with him and

(24:17):
felt she talked about how charming she was in the testimony.
She didn't say like, oh he was even from the
day I met at And that's not how coercion in
this kind of way emotional manipulation works. It doesn't work
if you hate the person that's doing it, or you
don't have something that's there to the first place to
put you in that situation. So it doesn't necessarily work

(24:38):
as simply, I think as people want to make it
seem like it works, because people can be manipulated.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
In all kinds of ways.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Some of y'all who are listening to this, who are
saying why didn't she just leave, are manipulating somebody right
now by.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Saying why didn't she just know?

Speaker 4 (24:52):
But saying a woman in their life right now, Some
of these niggas are probably playing these same type of
games with women who are saying, why didn't.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
She just leave?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
You know what's crazy about you saying this too? And
I want to speak to the men real quick, because
I was having this conversation when I was in Malta.
I was with a group of girls, and of course
we started talking about this ditty trial and the abuse.
And I want to talk to any of the brothers,
the fathers, the cousins that actually care about women. Let's

(25:20):
get to that first, because as I sat at this
table and women started sharing the abuse that they endured
in relationships. Like one girl said, I never told anybody this.
You want to know why, because the men in their
lives said, Oh, if a man ever touches you, hits
you abuses, you don't tell me because then I'm gonna
end up in jail. And it was so unfortunate because

(25:43):
I'm sitting here listening to these women all being all
having had abusive relationships, not even being able like they
can go to a man for safety because they're protecting
those fathers, those brothers, those cousins, because they're literally like, yeah,
I'm gonna end up in jail. And so I do
want to just pause this conversation to implore men to

(26:04):
find another way to say that they want to protect
the women in their lives, because there's so many women
not sharing the abuse at hand to protect how the
men may respond to these other men in question. And
it's really, really, really unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
I never thought about that, but that's real shit. I think,
you know, I can understand how that could be a thing.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
And so unfortunately, you literally have women who are being
abused at the hands of their partners and protecting their
abuser and protecting their family members at the same time
while literally having.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
To deal with this. And I'm just here because let's
be very clear, no one.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Feels safe going to the police either. Now, especially Cassie's
situation is a little different. But what I've also been
seeing online and this is from oh my God, every
case that has happened over the last couple of years
is when you are a sex worker, you can't be violated,
which is what I was seeing as what people were

(27:03):
saying for the Shannon Sharp lawsuit because she's the only
fans girls, because she got paid, she couldn't be raped.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
And it's just like what, well, I mean, people, a
lot of people are obsessed with the idea of you
deserve it. Oh, and that plays and that plays out
in a lot of different ways in society. But people
have this general obsession with you deserve it. Whatever happened
to you, you deserve it. You did that, you did
you have to have done something to make that happen

(27:30):
to you, because nobody would just do that.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Can I ask, do you feel like that's a viewpoint
from men? Women are both like you. You've seen that
both genders are out here saying that a person deserves
to have been abused.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
I can't quantify in what percentage is what of what,
But I've seen plenty of men, for sure, plenty. I mean,
it's a patriarchal idea, right, I guess that a woman
deserves whatever she gets in that kind of way. But
I've seen plenty of women who subscribe to that. I
think I interviewed women who subscribed that with their own
family member. I interviewed the woman who said this about
her own daughter who was sexually abused. Okay, so like

(28:08):
like so it doesn't to me, It doesn't have any
It's not confined to any one gender. I'm not going
to try to parse it out for the sake of
like a Twitter argument to try to say who's the
more wrong between men and women?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
But I've seen both parties.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Cape up for this type of shit, and it's just like,
all right, if that's what y'all are, I don't get it,
but people buy into that, Yeah you did something, if
you had something traumatic happens to you, you must have
deserved it.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I don't. I don't like that at all. Spooky
out here, man, did y'all have Jason or King? Based
based on the Cassie testimony, Like, where are y'all leaning
with this?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, well I was gonna say even if illo up
with like job. You know, people men and women together,
they use virtue as a cudgel, right, Like the idea
of like a woman's virtue, and it's never reflective back
to a man and his virtue. Like when we talk
about body count, it's always in reference to woman. It's
never oh, like Diddy's body kind it's crazy man like
he must be a monster. It's never anything like that.

(29:05):
He's not a monster until there's abuse, and even abuse,
it's not until there's photos.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Even with the photos, it still goes into.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Like what does she do to get that? Right now?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
When I find all this evidence and still yet it's like,
you know, but look what she was doing. What I
find discussing is the abuse or apologists that are clearly like, Okay,
yeah he beat her ass Yeah he may have done this.
Yeah he maybe only kept her to a one a
one album out of ten and and hijacked her career.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
But the but.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
That was girls, but she was But also, and I
want to tell y'all just if you start dating somebody, ladies,
this is for y'all. The tip is if you are
dating somebody, ask them for their goddamn Twitter account, and
I need you to go search their tweets for their

(30:03):
thoughts on certain cases like this, because the idea that
I am seeing the the butt be there's nothing illegal
about being in a toxic relationship. There's nothing illegal with
two with two people like having these frea calls, there's
no problem with you know. And also the conversation being like, well,

(30:24):
she had to do something to make him mad, which
is even from her trying to leave the hotel room. Well,
we don't know what happened in that hotel room before.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
That is, well, let's let's indulge this dumb ass ship, right,
she did something to make him mad, well according to Dawn,
which is is it don okay?

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Okay? So according to her testimony, one of the things
that Cassie did to make him mad was fuck up
the eggs.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
What wait, like the eggs, eggs, the eggs egg they
said before they were thirty six dollars before before they
were their preteriffgre tariff eggs.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Let let let let don't tell it. Cassie was cooking
pre tariff eggs. Wasn't cooking him fast enough for Diddy
and guy hit upside the head with a skillet. All right,
So how long did it take the scrambled eggs like
on medium on medium like eggs like.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
A minute and a half, two minutes?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Then he has anger issues.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, but that's what I'm saying, very clear, very clear.
We can we can say definitively fun out that we
have video evidence of him dragging and kicking his bitch
down the hallway.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think it's also crazy. We're seeing her with black
guys and videos bruises on her arm, we saw the video.
My thing is from all of the testimonies, from all
the things us knowing that he set arson to kick
Cutty's car and all these things, like the fact that
people could find a way to to to make him
not have to go to jail, He's crazy to me.

(32:00):
It also reminds me of and I don't know what's
happening right now, but Rod Wave this week was just
arrested for thirteen counts of like everything from possession of
a gun to aggravated assault to all these things you ready,
for shooting fourteen rounds into the vehicle of his girlfriend

(32:23):
and they let him go. So I'm like, in terms
of the way we protect women at all, I don't
understand how you could be let out. It's also hard
to get restraining orders. It is hard to leave abusers.
It like the court systems don't help or make it
any easy. So the fact, and I will say too,
it's unfortunate that and I've said it on a podcast before.

(32:45):
I'll be honest, when you see people abuse others, you
kind of don't get in the middle of these relationships
because you kind of need to mind your business quote unquote.
So for Dawn to be on the stand saying she
saw this for a lot of for the assists to
say he saw the abuse, for all of these people
to even say they witnessed the abuse and nobody did

(33:05):
anything about it for a decade, it's just like, oh wow, Like,
should there be some way in which we changed the
narrative of if you see something, say something. Ship? When
I was in New York, that's all the train rides say,
if you see something, say something.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
But who's to say that that hasn't been attempted?

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Though, when you have money and power, you can mitigate
that ship by silencing people not saying.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
That, right, like like a broke dude only has violence.
That's all he can do is just beat her up.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
To do with money, can control her in so many
different ways. Again, he's paying her cardinal, her apartment, like
he took her cars back, he locked her out of
her own Oh, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Gonna lie what I'm seeing now from the Shannon Sharp
case to this case. And yes, I could be ignorant
and not wanting to bring up Chris Brown, but what
I'm what I'm seeing is the more money you have,
It's almost like men thriving and making all the money
that they can, not to take bitches out, not to
throw it in the strip club, but literally to gain

(34:09):
the power and access to be able to do whatever
the fuck they want. The fact that Shanna Shark is
still cool quote unquote walked away from Disney and ESPN,
but it's still dropping interviews not only daily or you know,
between nightcap and then he's still seeing his millions from that.
And what's crazy too is he hasn't sat next to

(34:30):
a woman yet, but all these men are still just
sitting with this, with this man who who did this?
I'm seeing all these men still like like supporting Diddy.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
These men turn in, these men turn into track stars.
Did they have to run up next to them and
the fend them.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
It's crazy? No, no, But also okay, I'm gonna do
the ship that I do, and I'll be getting in
trouble for this. I said it about. Tori also kind
of leaned into Beak a little bit with this is
Ditty's music? That dope was anybody that we don't like
to even be in Like mind you, none of us

(35:07):
drinks the rock anymore. Y'all didn't support the Love album
like y'all did. When he did the whole R and
B album and change.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
His name, he got dominated, heated.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I don't think he wants. My thing is when we
talk about people that we love right, and we talk
about separating the art from the artists a lot, which
might be my own ignorance with still loving Chris Brown
after all his things. But when it comes to Diddy,
why do you feel like the current public, because it's young,
young and old, are in support of him and not

(35:36):
questioning or wanting to leave into his guilty, this guilty
verdict that would send him away, as if we would
be missing out on such wonderful music and art from him.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Because they want they want to be him, and they
want to do that and they want to treat women
that way.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
It's the lust, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Style, It's the lust of the appearance of what he
has that these people want.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Because jay Z got a line where he said, you
was who you was before you got here. That's simple.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
That means whether you broke off a millionaire, the activity
that you display is who you are. So what we
see I told somebody other, I say, yo, don't ask
me about some podcast that I work with. This is
who they are, regardless of what you see. Right, there's
a human being behind the moniker. There's a human person

(36:24):
that's just fucked up or not simple. And I think
a lot of it's millions of fucked up people that
want the power and the success to get away with
the that they want to do. And to the point
about the music, like, here's the thing, right, Like for
anybody who doesn't want to listen to Diddy's music or

(36:45):
any artist music because of the things they've done, I say,
go ahead, I don't care if you still listen to it.
I also don't care. The thing about it is is
that like that's not really the point, Like, to me,
the music isn't really the point. I get that you
might hear our Kelly records out in public and it
could be weird for some people, and some people are
going to do the two step anyway, and it doesn't matter.
But ultimately, like whether like most of these people, if

(37:10):
we're gonna do a purity test, most of these artists
that we know and love aren't going to pass old school.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Artists And.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, smokey my man, bill Wards, like all of these
people did like terrible people who did fucked up shit
and so and I'm not here to deny that just
because of their greatness. To me, that doesn't serve any purpose.
If you want to listen to the music, just listen
to it and go about your business, I.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Think, and I do want to And I'm gonna find
this clip to insert because it was probably the most
ignorant thing that I saw or listen to uh in
the past week, and it came from Flip sitting on
the joke on the podcast. He actually tried to allude
to the fact that domestic violence doesn't really happen as

(37:55):
much anymore, that was a thing of the past.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I didn't see that episode. But I just when you
say that, it makes me want to see Mark's face.
It just makes me want to see face informative sometimes sometimes.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Hear the thing. And and I don't know why we
came up with the saying that no question is a
stupid question. There's some stupid ass questions. There's some stupid
as statements. Because the the the thing is, when we're
seeing a lot of these cases, right we can go
to the bill cosby of it, the why and scene
of it. What we see is everything that they did
in the past. And for whatever reason, the Internet is

(38:37):
now trying to say that Cassie with the lawsuit with
the book was jealous quote unquote of his current relationship
with young Miami and the the consensus is that all
of these behaviors were his behaviors in the past. We

(38:57):
do see too that he did come out in publicly
apologies eyes to Cassie, and I think the prosecution in
this is going to lean into his drug youth.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
And well, he made a public apology.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
He said, he spoke into a microphone and said the
words I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
But he didn't.

Speaker 7 (39:18):
Whether whether they qualifies that, well, if you can't say
as an apology an actually a name, and be to
be honest with you, like not on Instagram. Like I
just like if it's like that, talk to that lady.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
And if you want to do an interview with somebody
later on and explain how you you know, whatever you've
moved on or you apologize to it. Okay, fine, I
just like doing this and saying I'm sorry for whipping
your ass and maybe this is fucked up, Like I
just think that's fucking dumb, but like anyway, carry on.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
So like the flip of it all to me is
so interesting and this, this is what I'm about to say,
could be like a whole other episodes, like the idea
that men only find their mothers to be the only
good women there.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, but everybody else's wholes. I just I never get that.
And then for people to be like, yo, but you
have a daughter. I have a daughter, I have a wife,
but yo, I came from a mother.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
But also it's like I work, I work for Mandy,
and I tell me every time how much I like
the talent, Like there're the women everywhere in my life.
So it's like I don't have the cherry pick one
to be like well because I got this one, like yeah,
and and the way that I see men just be
like like and again, if I keep it hip hop,
it's like track seventeen on your albums dedicated to your mother,
but like that's the yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
The only yeah, that's that's wild to me.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And so then like to what you're saying about, like
with castie and like the jealousy, So then that's like
the but I think that that that's what I'm the
defense that the cross yas examination.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
It's it's what I'm seeing, which is okay. I could
say that the hot take of damn men really hate women,
but I could lean into the massagy and I could
lean into all of that. I think that's an easy
way out. I think the conversations that do need to
happen a need to happen amongst men like you with
your friends that are.

Speaker 8 (41:17):
Jo I'm the de I higher, by the way, not
the d high because you married, No.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
But but to me, it's I think it's disheartening really
seeing that you could be sexually assaulted, physically assaulted emotionally,
which is an abuse that I just recently experienced that
I don't think enough people talk about, like the amount

(41:47):
and levels of abuse that could take plans take take
play at the hands of a man, and all of
these men have more questions as to what the woman
did to deserve this treatment. I think that's my that's

(42:08):
my issue and misunderstanding with how we got this far right.
We can talk about the gender wars and where we're
at from a social landscape, right, But for me, from
the households that you were in, the women that you
chose to lay up with and impregnant, the daughters that
you take care of, the sisters that you claim to love,
how do you have these these tainted views of women

(42:30):
as a whole with the women currently in your life.
I just don't understand the psychology around it, honestly.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Well here, let's let's like there's a there's a like
willfully obtuse angle that people take on this thing, right,
because if you ask people about the industry, yes, it's
the nebulous industry.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
How do people get big in the industry?

Speaker 4 (42:51):
The first thing they'll tell you all you gotta fuck everybody,
you gotta suck everybody, you gotta.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Eat every ass and then kill you got to piss
on yourself.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Yeah, yeah, all of this shit, ye and then a
nigga from that place gets accused of doing that thing,
and then Nigga's like, ah, that don't happen.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
That ain't no real ship. Why would he do that? Why?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
So it's while one mic like like what do we
what are we talking about here? But like I said,
this just that's the culture of celebrities. Though, that's I
think that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Even kim Osio was just on I can't remember what
what news network, but she was up there talking about
it and even tried to allude that Diddy was not
this person on the New York scene and didn't become
into these things until he went Hollywood. This is the
Hollywood version of Diddy, and even that to see all
of these these celebrities over what the last few decades

(43:39):
come to the forefront of what was also kind of allowed.
It was almost regular to put the Spanish fly in
the drinks. At one point nigga even my era Ross
got in trouble for it. But oh, in Miami, they
was put popping, putting Molly's all up in drink.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Mandy.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
They still sell Spanish fly. Believe you go to the
corner store, bodega, deli, whatever term you want to use
as soon as you walk in the little glass window.
As Horny got that, they.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Got all of it, the whole.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
I think.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I think my problem with all of this is, at
the end of the day, yes you can do drugs,
Yes you could be kinky and have sex. Yes you
can have a relationship that might not be the healthiest.
But in terms of the the things in which Diddy
was executing over decades, and how many people were involved
in how many lives were taken allegedly or not, because

(44:40):
there's also the conspiracies around keim Porter's death and her
also potentially writing a book that that never saw the
light of day. I just think that with all of
this information, with the video evidence, the photo evidence, I
genuinely cannot see the psychology in men. Wanting to not
allow Cassie to be a victim.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
In this Mandy speaking about the psychology of men. Can
I ask you your reaction to two things that happened,
Oh one, Cassie. So, Cassie testifies, she says all that
stuff about the U T. I s about being urinated on,
about how like at the beginning she she she she
was into it.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
You can't put both of those together. By the way,
but I've been pissed on everyone.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
You know, it was humiliating for her and all this.
So she does this over two days straight, just all
this graphic details. Yes, and then when she finishes, uh
testifying from the prosecution asking her puff then turns to
his family and he mounts, I'm okay, I know.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Have y'all been following me for the last year and
a half, two years? I just left an emotionally abusive
relationship with a nurcissist, And so that's what that is,
not not making sure his daughters, who left the courtroom,
by the way, day one, for hearing all of these
graphic details, not me. So who's sitting showing up with

(46:08):
a cane because I don't know if she wants sympathy
or to help. I don't know where the cane came from.
But you have your children behind you hearing these gruesome details,
and your thought is not to turn back to them
and say you're sorry? Are they okay? How are y'all doing?
It's I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Don't you playing in theory he's not supposed to do that.
Then that's a sign.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Of first off. Did y'all also see the the.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
This is crazy, this is crazy, this.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Then the turnaround, the holding up a heart.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
You're being cars with rico and sexual and you're doing TikTok.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
And the like.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Bro, what fucking timeline is this that we're living in?

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I told you we medie and I even think more
than more than that. I know we normally say there's
h your side, my side in the truth. We already
know that we live on a plane of three different truths, right.
I think it's really interesting to see how people are
dissecting the way in which we perceive things. Also, comprehension

(47:16):
skills are lost amongst us. I give it, they are gone.
They are gone with critical race theory. They are getting
rid of comprehension as a whole course. Yes, so I
mean to me, to me, it's it's unfortunate, and y'all,
you know, we like to lean into what the people
are saying. And uh, Jason wants to play a quick

(47:37):
games for us to lean into the stupidity, the ignorance
of it all with what the people have been saying.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
So how do you want to do this?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Are these celebrity quotes?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
So some some are celebrity ish, some are some are
big on Twitter. Okay, I think you have some pooled
too or is it just the ones that happen I have?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Okay, so this is more so.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I'll say what they said. You can guess, but then
I really want to hear y'all chop it up about
the about.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Was behind it? No guess first guess what were but
then once you know who it is, then to go
into because we can't guess Twitter niggas exactly it is.
You know, but I'm mixing it up. I want you
to know some are famous or summer. Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Let's go with this.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Should I go one?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Two, three, Let's see, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go
with the second. I'm trying to keep you all on
your toes. Indeed, Cassie was a victim, a victim of
her own greed. She was a slave that Diddy status
and wealth. At any point she could have left, but
she didn't, not out of fear, but out of greed.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
This is a nigga, That's all I'm gonna say. It's
it's it's a man who I think if I could
dig into his history, he's a man who believes that
his two hundred and forty seven dollars a month of
child support is what his baby mama has to live
like she just wants his money so she could get
a lifestyle out of him.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
I was trying to figure out who would start a
tweet with. Indeed, indeed, I'm trying to think of who
that person was, because like he was continuing the conversation
and now he got to his final point.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
He definitely starts his day saying grand rising.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yes, it sounds it sounds very yes.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
So I'll say, uh, Mandy is correct.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Okay, it's who it is.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It is a man, it's it's a it's a twitter,
it's a blog. I never heard this. Yeah, shoddy a
night to day and night salt the salt of the earth.
But anyway, by the by the way, hold on the
fact that you've been pulled anything. Well, because we want
to talk about the ignorance. I just want to also
share his pinned tweet. The tragedy of Tory Lanez is

(49:59):
a reminder of every man of how vindictive a woman
can be. Megan thee Stallion has dedicated her life to
destroy Tory for treating her like a hookup when she
wanted more. We will never talk about this motherfucker. And
this is the type of dude who will call girls woopies? Right,

(50:20):
what color is your probably? So to be fair, if
we lean into this, this kind of opinion on it, right,
I think that that's what we're seeing. And it goes
into what y'all said earlier. There's so many men that
want the wealth and power of Diddy that any woman
associated to a man with money or power. This goes
to where again, the psychology between how I think men

(50:43):
and women feel about each other has to be fucking
studied right now, because, for whatever reason, when a man
has money, wealth, looks, or anything that's deemed to be
a privilege or something that the person that is with
them only wants them for those things, not the person behind.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah, you can't possibly love get possibly, that's that's impossible.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
You love his wealth, you can't possibly love.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
But you know what, that's also inherently saying.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
It's saying that this rich, powerful guy who looks good,
who watches his face in Sarah toogin ice, huge and shit,
this nigga is also a piece of shit, because how
could you possibly love this person? You don't love this person,
you just want their money.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, I think that that's that's my problem with dating
and discussing people who seem to be in different tax brackets.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
There's almost no winning.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
First off, it's even if you're a woman dating a
broker guy, it's like, oh, you couldn't date a man.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, the women are gonna judge you for that.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
The women are gonna judge you. And then on the
other end, if a man dates someone who also isn't
rich because also you're ready, men don't care about how
much money a woman makes any of course, then the
woman is essentially a part of this relationship only for that.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
This is it now.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I did want to read another quote that I agree with.
She's not a celebrity. It's a celebrity anyway. But I
feel like, here we go. Did he don't even need
a trial? Just give him one hundred years and give
the son that looked like him twenty years?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Because yeah, it's funny because I had that one screenshot
it as well. Now here's what I wanted to do,
because we know that that came from a man. I
do want to share because it wouldn't be right. This
is not a gender war thing to not include a
woman who aligns with the same values and thoughts on this.

(52:38):
So I'm gonna play this video and we can all listen.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
How are we feeling about I just want to say this.
A long time ago, I said, I don't believe Cassie.
I don't believe she was ever a victim and or something.
It's so many people talk emotion. Oh, she didn't want

(53:03):
to upset him. She didn't want to this.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
That was texting.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
She was in a safe space.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
You mean to tell me she can leave the relationship,
go get married to the help unharmed.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
But she was that scared of him.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
No, I said a long time ago, and I got
chewed up for it. Cassie got jealous when he saw
how he put Young Miami on.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
She start thinking about.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
All the disgusting stuff she was doing with him, and
she left with nothing, and she like, damn, he just
turned Miami up overnight. Doesn't turn turn into a millionaire overnight.
Young Miami ain't even rapping no more because she got
her own show.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
She the face of his face of that she was
getting money.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
He put Miami in position, and he never put Cassie
in position.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Nobody is a sex slave.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
I tell you right now, I know some females who
are into all that stuff that they said. I would
never expose because I'm the type that listen but don't judge.
But I can tell you right now, I know some
females who into everything that they're saying.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I didn't want to keep because it's she needs a
black roball in the way she's judging.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
What's crazy is she she goes by saying, I don't judge,
and here's here's my thing about this off, Well, I'm.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Gonna do She clear that she had the nerve to
clear her throat before saying that stupid.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
And I don't know if it's picked me behavior I do.
I have another episode that I'm going to talk about
how women I would say, like her ignore the testimonies
of women with abuse. I believe she probably would be
the type of woman who a man could come out

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of jail for domestic violence, he could probably come out
of jail for sexual assault, and she would believe that
she is above that treatment from this man because she
doesn't believe women. And that's the other thing, right, Like,
we lean into this believe women thing, and then there's
women like her, who also don't want to allow Cassie
to be a victim. So I know that we've been

(55:07):
talking a lot about what men are doing. I think
that there's just as many women that are as loud.
And maybe it's and now I'm gonna sound petty for this,
I feel like it's because, like what y'all were saying
about the man, I think a woman like her may
be jealous of a woman like Cassie. Maybe you haven't
been able to bag a billionaire and so you're looking

(55:28):
at oh, bitch like because you ain't got it right,
because you couldn't get it with a man like that.
You're jealous of the fact that she was able to
have whatever lifestyle or relationship with this billionaire, that bit
you wish you wanted. So you there's nothing in your
mind that could make you view her as a victim
of all of this assault, because essentially you would probably
want to tarrye places with Cassie.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
And she also sounds like somebody who's never witnessed abuse
or never had anyone.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Around her who has it, who hasn't right.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
But it's like she talking as if I don't know,
it's just weird to me, Like she's talking as if
there aren't dynamics at play, Like all it is is
so many times that that you can just make it
simple how sexual abuse happens. It happens because you get
slapped upside the head and then he rapes you. Like
that's not that's not how this thing works. And people

(56:19):
have such a straight line point of view of it,
thinking that it just goes from A to B, and
I just I want everyone to be educated, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I'm not gonna hold my breath fast.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I mean, I also want to Another thing that I've
heard people talk about in conversations with me is the
fact that she left Ryan Leslie to go to Diddy,
and that she was this fast girl who just wanted
the lifestyle, was chasing the fame and all of these things.
I think it's unfortunate too that people can't separate a

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woman who may enjoy sex, who may be a little freaky,
who may be into things, and completely not be able
to see that woman still as a victim of sexual
violence or a victim of those things. Mandy, what do
you think about the jealousy thing?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Because I see a lot of my timeline too that
the idea like oh, she was jealous, and Cassie sat
in court she was jealous of Kim.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
She said she was jealous of Jana.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
But I feel like the jealousy thing is being tossed
around like that's a normal human behavior.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Shit, I was gonna say, when you're in a relationship,
especially if the dynamic may be non monogamous, which clearly was.
They were bringing people into it. He had the relationship
with Kim because she was the mother of his children.
You also have Misa, which wasn't brought in, but that
was the mother of his first child. I think for me,
this idea that she stayed with Diddy because of jealousy.

(57:42):
I talk about it a lot in non monogamy and polyamory.
In all of those dynamics, it is a human It's
in human nature to feel some sense of jealousy, like
you can't be somebody's everything, Which is why I believe
in non monogamy. I think it's an unrealistic expectation to
put onto people to show up and exist as that person.

(58:03):
I think for her that is a very common, very
natural feeling to be jealous of the other women that
are in Diddy's life and not gonna leave. Let's be
very clear, let's dumb it down, Let's take all the
money away. There's a lot of women now probably listening
to this goddamn podcast in a relationship with a nigga
that work at motherfucking Target trying to get them dollars

(58:25):
back up because of DEI and all that shit working
at Target making twenty four dollars an hour. Who is
jealous that he has to go pick up his kids
in the co parenting relationship that he has with the
baby mama, because WHOA, what do you mean You're going
over there where she lived? You have to see her?
Did you talk to her? There's a lot of jealousy
that happens, not even with the power, not even with

(58:47):
the wealth or the power dynamics that we saw.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
In the Just Everything.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
That's actually the same exact text message as that came
out Cassie saying the same thing, because I want to
go spend time with a baby's mom and the kids, and.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
So we literally put ourselves in that position. I want
people to remove the yachts, the mansions, remove all of
this and just view these as people that were in
a relationship toxic, yes, but from one girl, very young
who probably did not have much relationship experience to begin
with because she got with this old ass nigga when

(59:20):
she was nineteen years old. To put yourself in the
dynamics of these other women that aren't going anywhere. A
lot of us have to deal with any man who
has children or previous marriages or anything, having to know
that even if this is our man right now, you
share him in the capacity that is and jealousy is

(59:40):
going to happen.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Well, part of what you're talking about is, like, if
we zoom out a little bit, part of that reaction
or that construct of how people are approaching this thing
is because of celebrity worship. Yeah, like that's part of
American pop culture. And celebrity worship is not the only
factor because they the misogyny and all kind of stuff

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that goes into it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
But that is in the pot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Oh no, they dehumanized.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Yeah, you're dehumanized a famous person because because you see
some avatar of success, So you see some avatar of
sexiness or avatar for whatever it is that you hold
value for.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I'm done it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Everybody's done to where I had to like I had
to check my perception of reality and rip This is
not to be insensitive, but I remember when the helicopter
crash happened with Kobe Bryant and every we all got
the announcement. In my mind, I was like, now, Kobe
Bryant hopped out, grabbed you like, and was able to

(01:00:41):
land on his two feet and kept it moving. And
so my idea that death also didn't seem to be
something that could happen to someone who was so great,
someone who we all grew up with, like, how how
could this happen?

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
But yeah, we do do that to celebrity a lot,
and dehumanizing people doesn't serve anybody. Now, it doesn't serve
the celebrity because if you even if you're not on
any dirt, just as a person, as a human being,
absorbing what it means to live in the world where
you're famous and people treat you a certain way because
of that, it doesn't It doesn't serve them, and it
doesn't serve the fan because you're now you're fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Well now, to me, you're saying from the public perception
of celebrity is actually the same perception that celebrities have
of themselves. After a while, Oh, I'm this I'm this popular,
I'm this successful, I'm this wealthy. Nobody's touching me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
I could do it whatever I want to do. I'm
that And the higher that you reach for that is
the more and more you're going to get drunk off
of it. Which not to go on a music tangent,
but like that's a lot of what Kendrick is talking
about in gn X and a mister morale to some degree,
Like I want to be and I've talked about this

(01:01:55):
with people recently, just trying to navigate my own shit
and like how do I level up? What is the
next thing that I want to do? Like the question
you ask yourself is how famous do you want to be?
How well known do you want to be?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Don't even because they have a million dollars and not
have to be on a goddamn I want to be wealthy, not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Know, and most people will feel that way. But it's
like though, the higher you reach for that level, it
comes with something. You know, it's a drug, yeah, right,
and you don't get any of that for free, So
it's kind of like you stop at the fourth door.
Oh maybe, I mean, like listen, this might this might

(01:02:33):
sound derogatory, but it's not. But like, I'd rather be
Currency than Drake. I'd rather I'd rather be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Larry June. I'd rather be Ransom or or like than.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Drake or Kendrick Even or Kanye or anybody that high up. Okay,
I want to, like to your point, I want to
be successful. I want to be rich.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I don't want to be up there dealing with this
shit that them people deal with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
I want to walk around and live my regular ass life,
like I mean, yeah, and you know, but that's just me.
Depending on where you're at, what type of person you are,
what you're trying to achieve, maybe you need to go
all the way up there to get what it is
you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
I just don't want to be that person.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
And so and again, maybe this is a tangent, but
just the celebrity of it all, it just the overall
point is it doesn't serve anybody to take on These
are just people. Yeah, these are men and women, and
they're capable of great shit, and they're capable of funck shit,
and it just is what it is. But you know,
it's hard for people to pull themselves out of that

(01:03:41):
emotional investment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I guess for final thoughts. Do you where do you?
What do you see happens for the next what is it?
Six more weeks of this trial? I know we're going
to have further testimony from people like that. Again, we're
not at court, so we don't have to. I'd assume
we all he's guilty of a lot. Does he get
charged with this rico who knows the racketeering? Again, I

(01:04:06):
could say, based off of the first two weeks, one
of these charges gonna stick. And I don't know what
the timing for transportation to engage in prostitution looks like, which,
by the way, let's be very clear, every nigga in
my phone could probably be charged for that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Hey, what is the time for that?

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
I respect that, I respect we all prepared for either
outcome as a collective culture, community whatever the fuck a
week prepared for either outcome because I see danger on
both sides.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I'm not gonna lie. I okay. The swing of the
pendulum is crazy here, right, I think if he is,
here's the thing, we don't know how to separate enough. Right,
So if he is convicted of one or two of
these crime, if he does ten twenty thirty years whatever.
I think that then we see everyone treating Cassie the

(01:05:07):
way that they're treating Megan, where it's now the narrative
that another woman is the reason why another black man
is behind bars, which continues to not be a safe
place for any for black men or women, and the
way that we continue to try to fix or mend
whatever this relationship between the two dynamics are. If he

(01:05:29):
goes free, I think what it does is potentially I
feel like this has enough to reverse what we've seen
in the me Too movement, and I think what it
gets is a lot more women to be silenced about
the harm in which that they've experienced at the hands
of men, and it continues to make it completely more

(01:05:49):
unsafe for us. And unfortunately, the normal niggas that are
seeing this may also start to believe that they can
act this way and get away with it. Yeah, I mean,
so those are those are the two. I think it's
a lose lose across the board for the safety and
progression of where we are at as a community, but

(01:06:10):
also for the safety of of of women coming forward
and trying to find justice with their abusers.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
If he goes free, there's going to be outrage in
ways that I don't think that we've seen in these
particular kind of cases, right, because why women? Well here's
the thing, right, Like I'm not gonna say everybody he's
gotten gotten locked up, but like the biggest names have

(01:06:40):
gone to jail, like r Kelly Bill, like all these
people went down. So it'll be weird like how did
how did Puff get away with it? How was it
a prosecution thing that they just didn't make the case?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Enough?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Was there some you know? My homie asked me the
other day we were talking about I think the outrage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Would be at the justice system essentially.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Yeah, he's gonna catch some of it by proxy, but like, yeah,
I think it'll be a real problem.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
And then what about if he does get imprisoned? What
what if he goes The rage do you think comes
from that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
I think the only people that would be outraged would
be like the Kevin Samuels sites, like all his acolytes.
They will probably be mad, But I don't think that
that will really amount to anything. I don't know that
that outrage will take hold in a mainstream kind of way.
You know what I'm saying, Like they'll be outraged in
their niche of whatever it is. And I say that
it won't be annoying or loud, but I don't think

(01:07:41):
it'll be anywhere near compared to if he walks from
the public, because it'll be on if he if he
gets away with it, I don't think they'll be outrage
on CNN and MSNBC.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
But the nosing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
The nogay yo listen, do you but do you understand
what that looks like?

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
What do you what does that look like?

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
To be even more, I think some of the degenerate
dudes that we're talking about, they're gonna have They're gonna
be more emboldened to talk crazy down to women.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I think that's what that control to do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
That my fear is actually for women. That's like, that's
what my fear is for I think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I think also to like puff is gonna be if puffkins.
By the way, you can say I'm dating myself because
I keeping them like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
We all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
To your point, Joall, Like you know, like Cosby, Cosby
got freed, but he kept a low profile right because
there was truth and evidence that came out and he
knew like I must say I got my freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I'm gonna shut the state and stay low. Puff is
such a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Ham that all this evidence, Like the mother, if he
was free, he's gonna come out and drop a new album.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
He's going to do and he will be a menace.
He'll do Okay, So here's another Do you think he
can get away with that? Because I don't know, I
don't know what kind of support he would have to
be fair.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
R Kelly got away with his first trial. We've seen
O J get away from that. If it's and if
he gets away with it, he'll still have his money.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
He'll have his money.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
They might they might, they might take his assets, right,
so it's like he'll have his money. He'll go independent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It'll be like something is trying to do right, Like
he'll go to like an independent distributor who they don't
give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Like there's a guess what we go see this on Twitter,
the men saying run them streams up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
He had, Yeah, academics, faed ass definitely, fat ass will
definitely be on it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Probably academics going on. Actually, look now you got me calling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
You know what's crazy? He gonna come out and go
straight to fresh and fit.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
I mean, you're naming these particular people. This is another
sub category of were you talking about. That's a larger problem.
Niggas every day, they knocks every day. So essentially though,
and this isn't even like essentially, you're saying that if
he gets off puffy like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Nasty work, he said, Oh yeah, I didn't even want
to get into that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's the whole Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Okay, can I be problematic real quick? Only because we
are the end of the episode would be real problematic.
So when I heard that he would have the male
escorts ejaculate on Cassie, and Cassie would have to go
to the other room and rub his nipples with the nut.
From this is where human human nature, I was a

(01:10:54):
little jealous. That kind of sound like I had I
even dealing with the freaks I thought I've been dealing
with because also imporn, I guess that's where my mind goes.
I'd have gone down some rabbit holes something specific for everything.

(01:11:15):
You have never thought to have a man nut on me,
to grab the nut to play without another man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
My mind didn't even you can't you can't say puff's
on an innovator, just creative and creative.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
He invented.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
He invented the remix. That was a remix that I've
never because like, okay, now I'm over sharing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
But I was like, damn from one room to the next,
and it stay wet for a little bit, but the
consistency changes, like the nuts don't stay, Like it don't stay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
It's like, what did somebody stop you? Like, yo, you
got water dissolving.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
In your hand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
We're not making fun of the hard no, no, absolutely,
this is a.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Whole other conversation. It was like, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Another crazy detail to me that the assistant had to
buy the lube and get reimbursed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Yeah, he had the expense it. Yes, that was crazy
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Wait, did y'all see the pictures from the Miami house
that had the how do you have time?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
You gotta you got four daughters off?

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
We see how much having kids.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
Stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
You know, Like he had the time. And let's be
very clear, he doesn't have to go through t s a.
He he flies private and how do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Like, I gotta do this today. That today. By the way,
as a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Creative though, the more money you have, the more your
team does a lot of things for you, right, even
had an assistant that was yeah, wait wait wait podcasting.
You can both record me a weheezier a recorded through
Augusts already, you know what I mean. So, like, there's
ways that you you can make time. The fact that
Freakolls was less than four days that nigga had time, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
She was crazy. Part of one of the while we're
talking about details, one of the things that was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
They said the investigator, the lead investigator who ran in
this house in Miami, said that when they went in
the house, they went to his closet and they found
all the loube and a bunch of like thirty six
pairs of clear.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
High heels, stripper shoes, the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
But they said they found a wooden box, a decorative
box with a gold plaque on top that said Puffy.
And they said they opened the box and that's where
all the pills is at, all the all ecstasy, all
the purpose sets, the mods. No, I'm just saying the
fact that this nigga had a box with Puffy written.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
The fact that this nigga had ecstasy pills in the
shape of Obama's face. Yeah, to me, Cawn't you putting
Obama in your mouth?

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
That's a good one. Well, how about whoever is supplied
that ship? Why you use that Obama?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Isn't that talent though, to be able to make a
pill like that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
I feel like that's like the weed man. I hate
when the weed man try to tell you a name
of the weed, like. This isn't a dispensary, bro, you
don't know what this ship is. I'm gonna know if
it's good or not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Just give it to me. You don't got to tell
me it's the Obama runts. You don't got to tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
You give me a good name. I'm like, I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Give me that Wait, you did you bought a Gary
Peyton pack? Gary Peyton pack.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
That's I said.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I don't care about anything else. That one sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I'm not gonna hold you. That does sound fire, though,
That sounds like, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
I'm not playing with y'all. Well I not so the
detail is well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Questions for the audience before we get out of here.
Do you still think that Cassie is a victim even
though she agreed to a lot of the things she
participated in. Despite the evidence of abuse and our conversation,
or was Cassie attracted to fame and worship did He's
success and the result of that lifestyle was the treatment
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