Ep. 19 | Welcome To Black Effect - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

(00:03):
before we get to this week's episode, I want to
remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel
free to go to your local bookstores preferably queer owned,
black owned, or woman owned to support them, but also
just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or

(00:23):
wherever you read your books. Again. That is No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by
yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy.
Make sure y'all get that. Now let's get to this
week's episode. This is Mandy Bee. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,
a production of the Black EPEC Podcast Network and IART Radio.

(00:44):
You what's up, y'all, and welcome back to Selective Ignorance.
But this is not just any episode, Oh no, this
is the official reintroduction. I hope you didn't miss me
too much at these past couple weeks without an episode.
I'm your girl, baby b and some of y'all know me.
Some of y'all might learn today and listen. We are

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officially a part of the Black Effect Network. Yeah, let's
get the applause real quick, preferved because this platform deserves
to be amplified. That's right. And if you've been rocking
with me, you already know. This is a space where
we don't just react to headlines. We respond to the noise,
to the outrage, to the performative badness that the Internet

(01:28):
loves to spin up. But let me be clear, this
is not an echo chamber. This is where we challenge
the group think. This is where having a different opinion
is not only okay, but it's necessary. I believe in
standing ten toes down in your truth, even when it
ain't trending, even when it's uncomfortable, and even when the

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timeline might disagree, because maybe the internet be loud, but
that doesn't mean it's right and I got something to
say about it. So, whether you agree, disagree, or don't
know yet, where you stand welcome. This is selective ignorance,
where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations better. Sometimes. Let's

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get a to it, baby, And for those of you
who are new, I am your host Mandy b Podcast
extraordin now and an author uh huh, my book No
Holds Barred just released, and we're gonna get into what
this last week has been. But before I do, I
want to introduce you to y'all cannot believe I have

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men that hold me down? Like, where does that happen
in life? It happens right here, all selective ignorance. I
am joined by my super producers. I got the Puerto
Rican man of the Puerto Rican New Yurekan hisself, Jason Rodouga.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yo yo Joe.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'm also the DEI hire holding it down strong.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
He is joining us virtually from the NJ. Who calls
it the NJ.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't know what the fuck I still like to
say New York from the suburbs of New York.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
You call New Jersey the suburbs of New York.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
That is so, I'm only here for family purposes. All
my money making adventures are in New York.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
So and then I am here with another podcast, led
Jon Did you hear me? Super producer, A king is
of the building.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Shout out to everybody, selective ignorant, shout out to you.
And then New York Best time best seller is coming.
It's coming soon.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Look at not knowing No, goddamn warriors, that's what we do.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
This is a new thing. It's like driving a new
car for the first time. I want to say I
was opening my I don't know if we can say.
This app here another streaming app and the shit popped up.
It says new and it had no host.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Boss like, oh, this is crazy, this is big, that's huge, huge,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I mean, I mean the book dropping. It's weird, so
a little bit about I mean, even the people that
are listening so been ponning for eight years got into
this space as a non celebrity. So it's so funny
because we were just in where were we I think
it was our book signing in DC, and someone randomly

(04:27):
came up and was like, hey, like I have a question,
like does Charlemagne put people on that aren't celebrities? And
it was so interesting because we're in that realm now
and me and Weezy looked at her like, oh, you
wants to be new here Like Weezy and I didn't
start this podcast came out as celebrities like I had.

(04:47):
I was a part of the what is it? The
blog era? I had a blog back in the day.
But I was just someone who like was on Black
Twitter at a prime time. I'm not a celebrity. Wheezy
wasn't even super big on socials. She's like she's a
little bit more now. But when we started the podcast,
you know, we was in corporate America. I was in

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my last year of college and so it was interesting
hearing that.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Did you tell her? Did you explain? I mean, probably
is short.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I mean it was really short, Yeah, because it was
it was during our book signing, but I was like, yeah,
like Charlamay is sawing us what a lot of people didn't.
And it's crazy because our publisher completely dropped the ball
this week, and it's it's unfortunate to say, like, are
the stores that we were put in didn't have the

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capacity of what our fan base has grown to. They
underestimated us like shit, And it's so crazy because so
here's the thing that So we got on a whole call,
Like Charlamagne was on the call his management agent. The
call was crazy, and I'll be honest with you, right like,

(05:57):
so we're having this call and we're all really upset
because once again, I'm in a place where we've been underestimated.
And I'll lead into that a little bit more because
I talked about it yesterday on Patreon. But we're having
this talk and it's just like we could be as
upset as we want to be about. What sucks is
this week is never going to happen again. We're never

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going to have a first week of our first book
launch ever the fuck again. And it's one of those
where you know, when we go through life and experience
certain things when it doesn't happen the way we envision,
especially when it's such a big goal, like even thinking
of like graduations that you know maybe don't happen the

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way they're supposed to, or a wedding, you have this
imagination of what it'll look like and it's outside and
it's beautiful, but it rains like there's certain moments in
life that you plan for that you're really excited for,
and when it gets there, when the ball drops. The
unfortunate part is in certain parts of our life, you
just will never get that moment again. And that's what
this week felt like. I'm never going to have my

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very first book drop and feel the first week of
that release and sign those books ever again. It's just
never going to happen, even if I drop another book.
It's not my first book, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Did they do enough market research?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
And so it's weird because so here's the thing, right,
Like maybe pre order numbers weren't what they were anticipating, right,
But it's why we even did the master class. That's
why we did things because we as people pre sale.
Do you think I want to spend my money something
six months before it come out? Like that's even just
not a thing of our culture that we like, Like,

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we don't like pre orders, pre sale. We're kind of
day of, we don't know where we're going to be,
the week of, we don't like. And and a lot
of people where I've talked about kind of where the
economy is right now, people is budgeting. So maybe I
got a budget for a little bit before I decided
to go on tour and stuff like that. So anyways,
I was just like, listen, this doesn't happen again. But

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between this week, when I was out in the south
of France, I ran into I mean, I was no, no, no,
I was on the south of France. I was in
these I was a count and I had an interaction
with a person that is my peer, and I felt

(08:20):
like he fucking played me real bad, and I was
a little lit.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
You want to put on it, we want woman, we
want to build you want to build up to.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
It well, because it leads into kind of how I'm feeling,
and we'll get into the new segment that we're introducing.
So I'm in the South of France and so again
this our book drops were completely underestimated in the ability
of what our fan base can do. And literally our
publisher was like, we we hit a hurricane this week.

(08:50):
Holy shit, Like we were not expecting this. So it's
the underestimation of that. Right, I'll be at Essence Fest
this Weekend's this is a moment that we've wanted for
the last eight years. And it's crazy because fuck our
audience size, you know, fuck how much impact we've actually had.

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We've never gotten the opportunity because they didn't want two
women who talk about sex on the stage. We're not
rand friendly, We're not this, we're not that. So we've
never been offered that opportunity. And then so I'm in
the South of France for AD week and it's the
end of the night and I run into Speedy Mormon.
And it's so crazy because Speedy actually interviewed me during

(09:35):
fashion Week in New York and we're there and I'm
key king with him.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I want to preface this by saying, Speedy Mormon is
technically a podcast or a media personality, an interviewer. He
is literally my peer essentially, kind of he wasn't my
peer when I got a little bit of liquor into me.
Technically I'll get it to now. I want to share
this by saying, I went to an iHeart event. Shout

(10:06):
out to everyone from my heart. Clearly we're on the
black effect, so me and we's here in the south
of France. We go to this iHeart event. We're sitting
at a dinner with Questlove, Malcolm glad Well, mad iHeart executive,
and when we go in, there's someone else as part
of this dinner, and it's Evil Longoria. She stops talking
to the people she's talking to to kind of embrace me,

(10:27):
and I'm like, oh shit, Eva Longori knows who the
fuck I am again, Malcolm glad Well, quest Love. I'm
not even going to talk about all the festivals I
go to where I'm backstage in the artists compound excited
to see people, and there's people that are fans of
the show that I've been doing. Because I've been doing
this for almost a decade, you may have seen clips

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on the internet across the various platforms that I do.
Even if you do not listen to anything that I
do in whole, you've seen who the fuck I am.
So I'm in the South of France. It's the end
of the night, just like this dope ass yacht party
for the I heard event. I'm on cloud nine because
I feel like Eva Longary is about to be my
wife because her energy. Tony Parker is the dumbest nick

(11:11):
in the world. I just want to say that. I
wanted to make him like, I don't do breakfast club.
But when I was thinking, don't you at the day,
it just got to be Tony Parker forever because Eva
Longoria's energy was amazing. Anyways, leave that her smell, her aura,
her energy. I was like, bitch, I kind of only
like fucking women, but I would marry you, and I

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don't even want to be married. I wanted to just
be were I was like, oh my gosh, she's so powerful.
So anyways, I leave that event. I go to this
yat event. Saint Harrison is singing on the boat. Then
followed by that is Lucky Day. I see both of
them chatting up with both of them. Oh yeah, it's
it's lit. I'm going to yacht in the French Riviera

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and they have these people performing, right, so a shout out.
I'm with DJ Milly, I'm with her partner. I want
my friends. We having a good time. So there's a
there's a party, uh that we end up going to
Call of Fet We but we like, we need to
eat before we go there, so we go to this
burger spot. So we go in. Speedy comes in right after.

(12:15):
So I see them and I'm like, I'm saying something.
I was like yeah, because you know, he was like, yeah,
I don't know who you are.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Hold on, I thought you're gonna say he just say, oh,
what you're doing here?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
My point, it gets worse. And let me let me
tell you the issue with this big issue. Let me
tell you the issue with this. There are not many
content creators that go to the South of France for
can lions.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's a lot of and and and and there's a
reason why they don't because there's a difference between making
content versus you have something that you can make money against.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes, yes, So it's just difficult. And the people that
are out there take their ship seriously or brands have
enough faith in them to bring them out to this
type of week. Right mind you, I'm running into execs.
Let me tell you all the type of people I'm meeting.
I have lunch with the CEO of Kickstarter. I end

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up meeting the VP, the president, and the top heads
of United Masters. We all have lunch. I meet and
party with the woman who created the emojis in your
fucking phones. These are the level of the people that
are out there. On top of of course iHeart execs.
There's fucking two by Netflix, Step Chat, TikTok. It's all

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the execs, the VP's, the heads of these companies. So
he's like, he acting like, y'all know me. I said,
that's funny. I said, you want to be funny, sending
you interviewed me for fashion week, like, and he's sitting
there like with this goofy ass, oh, goofy ass look
on his face, right, and he's like all one, He's like, yeah,

(13:56):
doesn't bring about on some humbling shit, And I'm like,
even if you don't listen to my content, there's no
way in hell you don't know that, Like, like, I'm sorry,
you you are another you are a black man. We
are in like as black podcasters. There's only a certain
like space that people are right. So I said, I'm

(14:19):
a little lip at this one. I was like, oh yeah,
I'm not even gonna sell myself to you right now,
not gonna run down my resume. I refuse, And so
I just keep talking to him, and we just keep
going back and forth. And now it's like, I'm thinking
it's a jest, because at this point I think he's
trying to be fucking funny. We waiting on the burgers.
This nigga said the most disrespectful shit. And when we

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talk about selective ignorance, right when y'all choose to say
some shit with a smile, it don't it don't clean
it up. I don't care how nice you look, how
innocent you sound. Oh fucking I see what you're doing.
So we waiting on our food and then he like
breaks the conversation and he says, ha ha, damn, that's crazy.

(15:05):
Ten minutes later, I still don't know who you are.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Oh shit, oh damn it down you ready?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (15:12):
So I'm so list that's funny. Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
This is a week after I'm like seeing certain comments
through through just my presstword that I just did in
La for the book and just being on these different platforms.
This comes where, like I'm leaning, I'm heading into the book,
I'm heading into all these things. As it's finally got like,
I'm like, so I literally go clean the fuck off. Now.
This is where I selectively was ignorant in the south

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of France and Florida came the fuck out. If y'all
are new here, I'm from Florida, and from time to
time it comes out. So I literally say, oh that's good.
Fuck nigga, I guess it's cool. Go ahead and keep
collecting net seventy five thousand dollars a year from Complex
because you just a motherfucking employee. But nigga, you work

(16:00):
for Complex. Guess what I do. I own my ship.
You don't even know what I p s him for
and I just start calling him an employee.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
He how many drinks you had then?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
More than I?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
She should be a raffer bro. Like the way she's
ridden and off.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Wait, I tell you. I immediately went in and was like, Nigga,
I own the ship. I say everything, I motherfucking do
what I've been doing, But nigga, you work for complax compleats,
and I just start going on cause it's like, Wow,
there's so many times that Weezy and I are left
out of conversations. There's so many times that you know,

(16:36):
even my own peers, even niggas I fucking worked with,
like Joe, who ain't want to work with no other
bitch but me, which is why I helped start his
goddamn network that I don't know where it's at now.
He just keeps hiring niggas to sit by him. But
I've worked with the top of the top, and so
it's just like to be in a space where it's
still I don't get the respect or I feel like
I have to sell myself or be humbled by niggles.

(17:00):
It was just really frustrating because I'm like, damn, bro,
there's only but so many black people in the South
of France. Mind you how I even got to having
the lunch with the team at United Masters. Me and
my friend decide to eat off the strip, which is
also very Florida of me. It is the Cossette, but bitch,
I call it the trip like at South Beach because

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it's just, you know, it's where everybody at. So I'm like,
you know, we left the strip, took one block up
and sat at this random like Greek restaurant and these
men walk in and there's this tall, big old black
man shout out to sauce and the friend that I'm
with just smiles and it's like, hey, you having a
good turn and he's like yeah, and he looks confused

(17:43):
and he's like, do we know each other? And he
was like Her response was literally no. But I just
love seeing so many black people out here in the
South of France because who would have thought, like, I
just really love seeing us out here because there's not many,
but I just really love seeing us out there. From
that introduction, they're like, do y'all want to eat lunch
with us? And we sit and we talk and.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
We that's the way supposed to move.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So for another black man who's in my space to
literally be on some this that's not the energy with
any of the black people out in the South of
France during this week. Because if you're out here. You
take your job seriously and you're important of some level,
and so to kind of be some like that, I
was just like, Wow.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Oh you a fuckig, but I would offer you to
you probably put too much sauce on these people for
them even being aware. Some people in our space reality
they're not tapped in like that. I'm not a job
but bro.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
And he gets on Instagram live every day, He on
the TikTok like, he on the motherfucker Twitter. Like to me,
there's just certain people to bro to me, it felt
intention now whether he could go on his ship right
now and be like, yeah, I didn't know that girl,
Like I'm sorry I call cap like, you know, like
I've never met Gilly a day in my life. If

(19:04):
I see Gilly, I know it's Gilly, you know what
I mean? Like people that we don't know personally, or
that I haven't buy I know Wallow, Like, there's certain people.
Even Weezy said when we talked about it last night,
she was like, I have never listened to a Joe
Punden podcast episode ever, but if I saw a Flip
or an Ish or an Ice out, I'd be like, Oh,
that's who that is, you know, what I mean like.
And so we already have this umbrella universe in the

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podcast space and media as a whole, where we separate
black media and media. Right, black media has its own
little sub section. So I just hate when it's us
in our own space acting like we can't support uplift
or even acknowledge other people in our space. I fucking
hate that shit.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I hate it too.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I hate that shit. I hate it so bad. And
so with this comes the introduction of our new segment,
because now we are part of the Black Vet Network,
and so we are bringing in a new segment and
we're just gonna have fun with it. This show, we're
gonna bring up three but every week we'll do one

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of these, either of myself or the guests that I'm with,
and we are doubling down or taking it back. Now,
the double down of the TakeBack is going to be
a recirculated clip that either is current or one from
back in the day where it went viral. I had
an opinion or my guests had an opinion, and we're

(20:29):
gonna play it to either double down our opinion or
we're gonna take it back. And it's only right that
we start off with one from selective.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
VICR Hometown Hometown Got.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Okay, Jason, bring up the clip. We're gonna play the
clip for y'all and then let's all kind of debate
how we think the clip aged and if since this
episode aired, if we're doubling down and taking it back.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, And this is this is the best kind of clips,
the best kind of clips, Like they just don't go
around one time, they keep coming back and they come back.
And so this clip is from one of our earlier
shows and there was a moment where we were talking
about Drake and Kendrick and Mandy went full with the
chest about a Drake here, which I'm a cue up
so we can hear. And the clip went around, but

(21:26):
it recently came back around. Best kind of clips. So
let's see what we got here.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Kendrick has yet, with all these Grammys, with the halfline performance,
with all the billions of streams, with even the new
Gatorade at Kendrick has yet to put the nail on
the Coffin the Drake and Pan d album that was
released in February, Nokia going up the charge, Drake is
back to being the nigga that's actually going to take
over the summer. All I say is Drake is like
a little cocker roach that won't dotch He's to community. Yeah,

(21:56):
at the end of the day, we're seeing especially with
the outrage selectively that we see with Chris Brown online
compared to how he's selling that stadium tour. To me,
it's the same thing. Drake is going to run the summer.
Watch Okay, okay, let me okay, I got okay. First off,
let me tell you I had to uncollaborate myself.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
So can I Can I say a couple of things
about the clip too. So this clip was just reposted
about two weeks ago, and that's what I'm saying. The
good eclips come back around it. It has almost it's
it's fast on its way to getting five thousand comments.
So double down, second back, Drake's gonna run the summer.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
You and Jim Jones are having a hell of a week.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
The thing is your chill, your chell. You'll tell your chill. Okay, okay, okay,
So all right, with this specific conversation, I'm gonna double
down and take it back. But I'm only taking back
something because I was not prepared. And let me tell
you why. So I am doubling down the fact that

(22:58):
there is still nope, cough, there's still no nail in
Drake's coffin. He has a project coming out called Iceman.
We'll see how that goes. Hold On, hold on, He's
about to still give us a project. He ain't going away,
and I do think that there is enough millions of
people to still support him, that his numbers are still
gonna go crazy. And because we are all selectively ignorant,

(23:23):
everyone who is talking about him that is saying that
there is a nail in the coffin for Drake will
actually be probably the first people to download that new album.
So because we hate listen so much shit, he gonna
make the money. He gonna see the numbers. I don't
think that's gonna change. However, when I said that Drake
was going to run the summer, first off, I didn't

(23:45):
expect No Key to kind of drop off this way
when I said this. It plays in the club, it
plays on the radio, but it's not really doing what
I thought it would do. Secondly, I now have to
hold Drake accountable. I did not know that he would
go silent as quickly as as quickly as he did
to take time to heal from his ab etching NBBL.

(24:07):
Like I didn't know he was gonna be in a
faja during the time that the summer started, Like we know,
summer anthems kind of got a drop around like May
ish to because it's a slow burn, and then it
hits throughout June, July, August. Then we getting ready for
the falling cup of season. Right. I did not know
that that man went to Colombia or whever he went

(24:28):
and wanted to get an eight pack on us. I
was not expecting the eight pack drizzy Drake to come
out like this, Like that didn't look like a that
looked like ab etching from the Colombian gods.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Or I said, Drake is trolling us. He just you know,
just leaning in.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, no, no, Drake actually did what the batties do. Not
only did he post his abs, he posted in a carousel.
We're on one carousel. He was running like he's been
working out ray again, Like that's what I'm saying. Like
to me, it was just like, oh.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
How could you know? How could you know he was
gonna do all this stuff? I didn't know, I'm saying,
poor Mandy.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
So here, I go like, ooh, Drake is gonna run
this summer, not knowing that he was out here buying
a summer body. I didn't know who asked Drake. The
girls are gonna suck your dick whether you have a
gut or not. Like, you don't need to be out
here shirtless, Like we don't see you as a sex
symbol my guy. Like be the lover boy, and be

(25:27):
the lover boy with the gut, be the love of boy,
just with the flat. We don't need you having the
eight pack. As for that, the bitches go fuck the athletes.
Now we know you want to be an athlete because
we see you course side, We see you with all
these niggas jerseys on. But you didn't have to go
and get an a pack. We just wanted some hits.
I needed some hits so that the internet didn't god

(25:47):
damn blasphemy for my goddamn thoughts. You were gonna run
the goddamn summer.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
But I think to your point, I don't think that
the attempt was to ever say that it was gonna
be a nail in his coffin. I think we all
know that Drake is a viable artist regardless he has,
he has a big fan base. I just think the
trolls on the internet, they just get carried away about
whatever it is at the time.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yes and no, when we think of rap bes right
for sure, if we're talking about a nail on the coffin,
fifty cent absolutely did that to Joy Roll and Ja
Roe literally ran hip hop in the early two thousands
with the R and B hip hop. His voice was different.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
But that was more of a personal battle though. That
was more that was a rap, that was more of
a It.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Turned it to where hip hop. When we talked about
the hip hop community, right, they felt they need to
pick a side, true and baby that no one was
siding with Jo Roll and so to me, that was
an example of a nail on the coffin. To be honest, too, Drake,
we saw put a nail on the coffin to Meek
Meek never. I feel like recovered from that back and forth,

(26:48):
back to back. It didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Took him a little minute.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's as as hell.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, I think he recovered a little bit. He had
the record though what record? The hold up, wait a minute,
y'all thought I was finished?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Are we really talking about his fucking record from twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, because guess there's the nightmare if he never if
he never puts out anything from this point on, that's
his legacy right there.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Great, But for what for.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
For for I don't want to smoke with nobody for
Philly either. I'm just he was about down, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I just think for what we saw of me, like
we saw that nail hid in the coffin, and so
where we've been talking about the nail in the coffin
quote unquote, I just don't think it's going to happen
to Drake or I still don't. So when I see
that clip, I'm like, bruh, y'all, so extra y'all. So while,
But we've seen nails in the coffin happen in hip hop,
and this just wasn't one of them.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
But run the storm. But so the comments of the
four thousand and seven hundred ish comments that we have,
they're talking more about running the summer, right.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
That's why I'm taking it back just a little bit
because I didn't know the nigga wanted the summer body.
I thought he wanted to run the summer, not run
with this new body. I didn't know. I wasn't ready.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I feel like you're nailing the call effe, like it's
a hedge. You can't do one double down, one take back.
I feel like that's not very many to do well.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
This one. I'm not gonna hold you. I'm doubling down.
Then I'm still doubling down. It's a double down. I
didn't know that he was focusing on an apac. However,
with the new album coming out and all of those things,
I'm excising we why we bring it great? Nah Man?

(28:31):
I fucking love and it's not that I love Drake
and I know. Here's the thing, y'all act like there's
like a fucking biracial brigade where we all stick together.
There's a lot of biracials.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, biracial he looks and I don't fuck with that, nigga.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Okay, Jim Jones is dominicant and black, right is that considered?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
You know it's crazy. I don't consider that biracial. But
we're not gonna get into that. Okay, we have another clip.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
We have another clip.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
This one actually comes from a clip from what I
did on Good Mom's Bad Choices. I went and talked
about who was also a Black Effect Family pod shout
out to Erica and Mila. So I went on this
pod to talk about my new book, and I decided
to dig into a story on a sexual assault that
I experience, and I want to run the clip and

(29:20):
then get into this as well, someone who's only been
with black men. I was so mad that all my
assaulters were black, not y'all having me cry. I didn't
even think I was assaulted, but he stealthed you. Yeah,
So he removed me without my knowledge and came in
me while I was blindfolded. I agreed and consented for
us to I agreed for him to blindfold me. We
agreed for him to wear a cottom. He finishes, and

(29:41):
before he removes my blindfold, he stops me and it's like,
you're gonna be mad. Oh no, that is what he said,
And of course he gas lit me. He paid for
my Plan B and gave me a thousand dollars. Wow.
I was assaultant, but the psychology around it was. But
it felt good and I took the money. And there's
always been this conflated thing that the power dynamic, and
I think we're talking about it now seeing the Diddy case,

(30:02):
you can't just say because a woman has agreed to
do certain things and she is a deserving of assault.
I hate my teenage self and I didn't in spite
right now of who I was in my twenties. I
hate all the stuff she did, not realizing that I
don't get to sit here and talk to y'all and
be this empowered person without the mistakes she made and
learned from. And I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So wow, this was heavy.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Was This was so heavy because the book is out
and I talk about a word that I learned while podcasting, right,
so stelthing. So when this happened to me, I was
about twenty four years old. It happened with a very
very very famous NFL player who did this, and so

(30:45):
just at the time of course when we talk power
dynamics and what happens and all those things, you know
what I mean, Like, I don't know my twenty four
year old self was upset because a I was always
aware of STDs, never wanted to be pregnant. So like
the conversation around letting a guy just have sex with me,
raw was never a thing that I really consented to.
It's like, we gonna use the condom, and so for

(31:07):
me to be violated in that moment by him doing
that stealthing was a word we end up learning about
in twenty eighteen on horrible decisions. So it wasn't even
until later that I realized, oh shit, that was an
assault that took place. And the frustrating part about the
response to this specific video, which by the way, they've

(31:29):
removed the comments they were that bad men. This somehow
got into the manisphere, and men for whatever reason did
not want to call this assault because they're like, well,
you agree to have sex with him, Yeah, well, I
agree to have sex with this man with a condom
protect one way. I didn't agree to have unprotected sex

(31:51):
with him. He violated the boundary that was set forth
and did it without my consent. And so it was
just really, really, really hurtful for me to read the
comments of the responses of men because I'm just like, wow,
A part of me hates that I have to read
all these comments, which I know people that are listening
are like, well, you know, through the comments, I was

(32:11):
a collaborating on this post. It's all coming into my
feed and the other part of it is I'm sharing
this story and there's so many women that are like,
holy shit, this happened to me. Holy shit, da da da, Wow,
the same thing happened to me. I didn't know it
was this. I didn't know there was a word for it.
And so I'm conflicted between being this vulnerable person sharing

(32:33):
these things I'm navigating and learning and healing through in
real time, and then seeing how many people are probably
out here really still committing these shits because they refuse
to learn. They want to sit here and believe that
women aren't the victims they are. Or if you're a
sexually liberated woman, you should expect assault, or if you
agree to have sex, you should kind of expect to

(32:54):
You agree to have sex, that means you agreed for everything,
and that's not the case. And I think seeing the
comments from this and seeing the comments from the Diddy
trial all in the same breath, I was like, oh
my god. And I may have said this in another episode.
It's so hard for me to not feel like men
really hate women. Now. I know, y'all, don't I fuck
with y'all, y'alli, of course, but but it becomes as

(33:19):
a woman really trying to heal and find this safe
space with men to have to exist on the internet
and read thoughts and views of men, because I think.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
These things insecure men.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
It's not only in secure men, but this is the
select These men have to be fully selectively ignorant, because
you're not even trying to open up and understand a
woman and what she's been through or her plight or
how you may have shown up wrong in a previous instance,
and it's just like, oh, y'all nasty, Oh y'all don't

(33:54):
even want to learn.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, I have a question for you about the clip too,
Like I I thought it was also not like what
you've been through, but like how you've been through it,
because you're saying like three things in the clip, right,
Like you were talking about like stealthying and the type
of assault. But then when you made the comment like
most of my assaults have been black, that's also kind
of sharing like the proximity of how assault happens. It's

(34:16):
people you know, right, It's not stranger, it's it's not
like some random person that's just attacks you. It's people
you know. And I felt like that's where the conversation
got divided, where like men were just being like willfully
like obtoose to like not even understand like instead of
like your point about like it's proximity, it's people, you know,
and I had to encounter with somebody that I consented
to these certain parts with and not these other parts. Instead,

(34:38):
they just feels like what they often do on the internet,
just the broad attack on men, and so then they
get defensive and then they attack back on that rather
than like this piece of commentary where you're saying a
lot of different things and then you end it with
like at least not the full conversation, but you end
this particular clip with like then the growth out of
it and recognizing like these three different people who you were.

(35:00):
So it's like it's tough. It's a complex clip that
like men just ate it up into like one typical piece.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
They ate it up, they tore it to pieces. But
I think that that's the other thing, right, Like when
we talk about and so in the book, I talk
about three different sexual assaults. Two of them were men
I didn't know. One happened on a train in New
York and the other I completely forgot about. It happened
when I was seven. There was a guy outside my
daycare window doing shit and that recently just came back up.

(35:31):
But this guy, yeah, I consented to being with him,
and then it was like this thing where a bitch
was a broke bitch at the time, and I took
the money. So then there was like this okay, like
and then there was also the part of which is
what men are disgustingly not knowing like our bodies react
to certain things. So there's been certain criminal cases that

(35:54):
you can look up where the judge or the prosecutor
is asking the woman what did you get?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
What?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Well? Did you come where you aroused? And it's just
like it's disgusting because and I think that that's my
conflation with this incident happened. I was clearly violated. There
was no consent to this act, but it was an
enjoyable act for what it was because I didn't know
what you know, what I mean, what was happening. And
so there's this thing too that I think a lot
of women deal with. And I have to put a

(36:22):
trigger warning here for getting this deep into it. But
there's a part of us as women that feel violated.
But if it is all, if it feels good in
the moment, there's this thing like, well, can I feel
violated And it'd be good at the same time, but
I still like my boundaries were crossed. So that's a
different problem than the other part where you brought up

(36:45):
me saying all of my abusers have been black men.
I've only ever been with black men. I only want
to date black men. I only find myself attracted to
black men, and I've felt so much power in creating
safe spaces for them to be their full alltile and
excels that when these things have happened, I literally just
be like, damn, why would you do this to me?

(37:07):
Like we already have to fight the rest of the
world in every fucking way we show up in the workforce,
when we're driving our cars, with the police, with the government,
with other countries, with just existing and so I hate
that we continue that trauma within our own community to
even be so fucked up in the brain that we
would put that type of trauma onto someone knowing the

(37:30):
type of uphill battle we constantly have to climb, you know.
And so I am doubling down on my experience. Good
for you, and I will continue to share like those
things that happened to me. Because what I've noticed with
the release of this book and with meeting people this
past week with the book tour, is there's a lot

(37:51):
of people that have so much shame that they would
never share these stories. And so then so many of
us walk with feeling alone or embarrassed or aimed that
damn we this happened to me. And so there's a
safe space that I'm creating for listeners and for other
women to just be like, shit, I'm not alone, And

(38:11):
so doubling down where people are like, oh my god,
I would have never shared that. Oh my god, that's
not what happened to you. I am actively healing and
I'll work in progress, but my experiences are very real,
and I'm not the only one experiencing these So where
sometimes I'd be like, damn, why did I bring that

(38:33):
to the airways, because these comments are tearing me the
fuck up? Me sharing my story is something I'm gonna
absolutely fucking continue doing. So doubling Dann, I enjoy.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I enjoy getting down with you because you can be both.
You can be that first clip and you can be
that second clip, and both of them are very genuinely you.
So That's why I definitely work with you. This next
clip is kind of somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Oh God, this next clo preface Again. We did our
book tour, we did helopress around it, and because Charlemagne
is him and I heeart supports everything that I do,
we got to go onto the breakfast club. And so
the day of our book release, we went on to
the breakfast club. And of course, the conversations that we

(39:20):
talk about often are you know, ourselves, our experiences dating growing.
A lot of the book is the progression of maybe
how I used to get down and how I've learned
from my mistakes. And so I said something that got
the people going, I'm gonna play the clip and then

(39:42):
we're gonna tell y'all. If I don't down and take.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
It back, I'm doubling down.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
This one was easy. This was easy to me. Here
we go because I do think, like, and this is
gonna sound bad, I do think everyone is with who
they deserve. What do you mean if you're with someone
who is in that great to you, it's because you
don't believe you deserve better. And so, and I've been
talking to this a lot with so I had this

(40:10):
recent conversation. I went to Malta and I'm sitting around
a group of women and we're talking about the Diddy trial.
And what happens is these women start sharing all of
these abusive relationships that they were in, and they talk
about how they didn't feel safe even to share with
the men in their lives because the men in their
lives were like, well, if he touched you, if he

(40:32):
do this, I'm going to jail because I'm gonna come.
And so I shared this story online and it was
so sad how many men were like yeah, but then
we step in and they stay. So then what And
I'm just like whoa basically even saying like how do
you know you stay too long? Everyone in certain relationships,
I feel like they deserve it, because it's like, if
you don't want better for yourself, no one can lead

(40:54):
you out of it. You could take a you could
take a horse to water, but you can't make them
drink it. And so I do think that what if
you're in a bad relationship or not, you don't feel
like you deserve more, You're in a relationship you deserve
and so like literally in the book, I talk about
being like, oh girl, you ain't have no self worth
for yourself. Oh you was desperate, Oh you were you

(41:14):
were insecure. And I think it takes a lot of
time for women to say those words about themselves, and
so until you're able to do that, the person you're
with is probably more of a reflection of for you. Okay,
so I'm telling you right the fuck now, ah, bitch
is doubling down. I said what I said, and this

(41:36):
is where I like to call out the people accountability
as a motherfucker. And boy do people not want to
have it hear me out. Let's get into what definitions
are because maybe people don't like the word deserve. What
does it mean you deserve? Deserve is to have earned
or to be given something because of the way you

(41:58):
have behaved, or the the qualities that you have to
do something, or to have her show qualities worthy of
what I meant by saying that, and maybe let me
remove that with the word allow. Right, you are with
a person who you allow to treat you a certain way.

(42:20):
And so to me, if you don't think you can
find better, you're gonna get what you get what you
have because you genuinely do not believe there's something better
out there for you. Also, I want to speak to
the abuse portion, because of course comprehension skills are lacked
amongst us. And the people in the comments were like,

(42:43):
so a woman deserves to be killed and beat up
by her abuser. I never said that anyone deserves to
be killed or abused, however, And boy, is this gonna
sound hard to them. And I want you to know
that there's empathy. Two years ago, I lost my cousin
to domestic violence. Her boyfriend shot her down while she

(43:04):
was walking home from work because she tried to leave.
So trust and believe I understand what it's like. However,
it took a long time before that point.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
There's a lot of signs that a man or a
partner or a woman shows before it gets to that level, right,
And so had she believed she could do better, that
she deserved more, she would have left him a long
time ago. And it's not that I'm blaming her. I
never want to put out there that I blame a victim,
because there are monsters and I'm not a monster apologist. However,

(43:39):
in the ways in which I've grown through therapy and
really looking at myself and valuing myself. Oh there's certain
niggas that couldn't smell my farts. What you mean, like
the way that certain men will show up or just say, oh,
I'm not giving this to you. I can't show up
this way for you. Oh, because I know what I deserve.
I who It's easy to be like, oh, ain't for me, playboy. However,

(44:02):
when you're a woman who seeks out the validation of men,
or are so codependent that you need just a partner
next to you because that's what gives you your your value, Yeah,
you're gonna you're gonna put up a bullshit because you
just like that someone is right there by you. What
are they're doing what you want or not? And if
you think a man don't have to take you out

(44:24):
on dates because you don't deserve to be taken out
on dates. If you don't think you deserve flowers just
because you're not gonna get them, and so if you're
dealing with a man doing these things and you're not
demanding more, it's because you're with someone who's showing up
how you think you deserve. And what it is is
what I said, it's a goddamn mirror and it's a

(44:45):
reflection of your self worth. If you are with a
shitty partner, it's because you think shit of your motherfucker self.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Period. Steaming, steaming. I want to say about that, take
the so the good. The extraordinary thing about that was
not only was it like the conversation online, but then
they made that the topic of the day on the
radio station and the people were just calling in and
I think that, like, so because you were cooking, you

(45:13):
were cooking, and then you pause for like the smallest
second you say you could lead a horse to water,
and I feel like.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
You can make them drink.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I think that was the I think that's the part that.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Lit the fire into people and and and got things going.
But that was that was I don't think it was controversial,
but there was some heat through some heat to the tape.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
It's funny because certain friends reached out to me, even
certain previous guests like Rocky thunder me and was like,
I don't even see how people are this mad at
this clip. And then I had another Horror Hive member
d m me and was like, ooh, bitch, read me.
I felt like you were telling me about myself.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
That's weird.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
The problem is people are walking around and not releasing
the rip actually, so you know what, I'm driving. I'm
on my way to the gym, and I listened to
the reference to Charlotte and I'm like, holy shit fuck,
and I'm like, yo, everybody's gonna call going crazy because
she's reading these people. And that's the whole thing too,
like act yourself. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, y'ah, oh wow,

(46:14):
why do you want to be in a relationship? I
don't think people answer that question and they involve themselves
in these scenarios where they want to control or they
or they don't get what they want and deserve because
they with somebody trying to force it. You can't if
if everyone's a different spaces at the time, and there's
so many nuances, so much nuance to the ship. But

(46:34):
I think that that question and that answer and that
that was that was it. Here's that's the book. That's
the next book.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
That's right. It's very simple, and.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I want to I want to read another definition to
y'all to get to get what we're doing right. Ignorant
is lacking knowledge or awareness in general. Uneducated they put unsophisticated.
But I'm not going to lean into that because here's
the thing too, about how you yourself and the work
that you do and what you even know about relationships, right,

(47:04):
I get it. A lot of us don't maybe have
did not grow up with healthy relationships to view where
products of our environment. There's certain examples that are set
out and so for me, when I come out and
I say something like that, there's people that choose to
be selectively ignorant because they refuse to hold up the mirror.
Do you know how many people choose not to go
to therapy or not talk through the traumas that they

(47:26):
know exists literally because it's work and they don't want
to be faced with the fact that they're insecure, the
fact that they don't love themselves with like and there's
really hard truths sometimes with navigating finding yourself, and there's
just a lot of people realistically who don't want to
do the work to get there, and so they choose

(47:48):
to be selectively ignorant in the fact that now, instead
of really listening to what I said, they want to
be like, oh, she said a bitch desire to be
killed by her. You like, it's just like, oh, no,
you don't understand the nuance of you don't even care
to dig into the nuance of what I'm saying, because
I potentially just said something that triggered you. Because maybe

(48:11):
if you want to fucked up trash ass relationship, ain't
you mad? Then I'm telling you, bitch, that you deserve
to be in that raggedy ass relationship because you hate yourself.
And I think that a lot of people kind of say, yeah,
I'm good, I love myself. Oh, I value myself. Ooh,

(48:31):
I'm confident. Ooh, I wouldn't let a nigga do that
to me, when in reality he doing it. Sis, you
don't love yourself because if you did, you wouldn't be
in the position that you are now. And I just
think that there's a lot of things that we can't control.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, it reminds me that saying the hard things are
hard things, right, And so like what you're saying, like
the individual work relationships good and bad, it's just hard work.
And I think I think a lot of people grow
up in a certain way where it's like, you know,
like when you're a child, you're so used to being guided, right,
either your parents tell you what to do, or if
you're in school after seventh grade, is eighth grade. After

(49:08):
your junior year is your senior year when you become
an adult. Like that, it's the hard work you have
to really figure out, like the things you want to be,
the things you want to do, and you know, obviously,
I guess where a lot of the crash outs happen.
But the hard things are hard things.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
It's funny that you say that too, because the reality
of it is, while we're kids, were witnessing relationships, but
we're told to stay in a child's place, and so unfortunately,
when we get to adulthood, we're navigating it like we're
newborn babies. Like relationships. It's like a new like we
got to figure out this shit, like we just came
out of somebody pussy.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's the age of an adult.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
What's the age of an adult?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Eighteen twenty one?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
You know what's crazy?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
I think it's different when you're in a city. If
you live in a city, you're not an adult ta
you like thirty five?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I Okay, this is gonna sound crazy. I'm not talking
sex here, okay, But in terms of having a good
enough viewpoint to view and see what's happening and make
your own opinion about it. I say sixteen seventeen, and
I say that because.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
After eighteen you're eighteen. You a newborn adult.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yes, but when I say sixteen seventeen, even I would
say as soon as you start experiencing any level of responsibility,
Like I started working at fifteen, right, so I was
getting a check, I was budgeting, I was helping with
finances around the house. But also at the time, let's
be very clear, yeah, my little past dat started fucking
and so there were like things that I was handling

(50:39):
that to be fair, there were things I was dealing
with as a sixteen seventeen year old that I'm still
dealing with at thirty five, navigating. And so when you're
entering that worldview of where, okay, you understand a little
bit about relationships, you might not get it right, but
it's because you were and new. No one really talked
to those things. And unfortunately, our parents aren't a place
where they feel comfortable telling you how to navigate. These

(51:00):
tell you how to navigate having self worth in the bedroom.
We're advocating for yourself in the bedroom, for the things
you want or demanding a raise, especially because we're like
the millennials are the first of a generation that had
the ability to have these C suite level positions as
women and where we have the option to not be
moms and wives because we could build our own empires
and so we just they didn't have the knowledge to

(51:22):
pass that down to us. And hey, ke'p you looking
at me crazy?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
They were trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
They were trying to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
So that means we were mistakes who all of us
we are the mistakes of them trying to figure it
out that I made it.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
My mama aborted the baby before me, But I was,
I was, I was playing. I wasn't a mistake like
I was actively had the baby before me. Wasn't.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Really, Why don't mean us per se in totality? A
lot of us weren't designed to be here in totality.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
We are all men and women victims of the patriarchy.
And to be very clear, I think what we're witnessing
now to is we've been lied to this whole time,
not only with patriarchy being our golden standard of how
we have to exist as men and women. But if
y'all go back to the American dream episode, maybe we

(52:14):
are living in a third world country like We're on
the precipice of a World War three. We don't have
the technology and transportation systems that I've been able to
experience in other countries. We our crime rates are high.
We don't value the rights of our citizens. People who
were born here are getting their birthright. Citizenships werevoked just

(52:37):
because we got an Orange man in office. And so
even where we were raised with saying America is the
best place in the world to live, it's like, oh bitch,
we was lied to. The aliens is here. We learn
that shit like the shit that we've just been lied to,
And so now we are unlearning things and we're having
to try to figure out how to exist and the

(52:59):
best way to make life a living.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
So I feel like there's a good transition. You've referenced
a lot of stuff we've talked about in the past,
the American dream, patriarchy. The show is called selective Ignorance.
Should we go into our down for some ignorance and
some topics? Real quick? I know how you want to
end it, but let's let's dance on some topics real quick.
We have categories. I have an order here, but I
can ask you what order you want to go. We

(53:24):
have politics, sports and music. I think you want to
end it on music. Do you want to do politics?
Now you do sports?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
What you want to do? You want to do music? Sports?
What you want to talk about? I mean I kind
of talked about in politics. I don't mind leaning into
that first because I just mentioned the World War three
and yeah, what's happening. Uh, we have Iran versus Israel,
we have Australia versus China, and we have the UK
versus Ukraine or Russia. And clearly mister orange Man is

(53:52):
putting his two cents into all of it because he's
just like, I'm a lot of who who what the US?
But y'all are the countries as Oh, I'm not gonna lie.
I'm literally just like that girls are beefing. And when
I say the girls, the country, maybe the girls is beefing, okay,
And the man in this instance that they're all fighting
over is essentially power, I mean literally, and then it's

(54:18):
each of them trying to figure out who's pussy is
the best, who is the most powerful, who gonna have
everyone else bow out or bow down? And what's frustrating
about this is like we're in a place where bitch,
we just fucking went through a panel Ramo, the pandemic
went through. We to gone through a terrorist attack, especially

(54:40):
as a millennial, right, Like a part of me like
thinks some of other eras I would want to live in.
And it's like, well, I don't want to go back
to slavery. Don't even want to go back to the
Civil Rights movie because the bitch is biracial. Do I
want to go to the future. Maybe not, because by
then none of us are gonna talk as humans, because
we're all gonna be fucking robots.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
And so I'm just like, is this really like the
blog era was kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Well, we were here.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I was here during that, you could but even the
blog era in comparison to now.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Though the early two thousands, oh you know what's crazy
after that? Hold On nine to eleven was oh one?
But you know what, if I could freeze a moment
in time, but also I could think of cons abattitude.
If I could freeze the moment in time, it would
probably be late nineties, early two thousands. Yeah, And I

(55:29):
say that because the music was bombed. I had to
fake I need so bitch, I know about what the
clubs are giving hold on. The clubs were clubbing, baby,
I had no shame of getting there before twelve so
I could get my free Amrodo Sour, followed by my
Long Island icy if eybybody in. I was lit. I

(55:51):
did the Amrodo Sour, followed by a Long Island. The
men just invited you to the tables. The bottles were flowing,
and you know why because technology wasn't so advanced that
the scammers were scamming. The drugs was hitting. Shit wasn't legal,
so they was. The money was flowing differently, you feel
me like back then they were giving rappers million dollar

(56:12):
budgets because the music industry somehow money was just a flowing. Okay,
maybe it wasn't going into their pockets, but there was budgets.
The budgets were budgeting.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
This is the best podcast because you'll never find any
place else that will go from Israel and Iran to
fake IDs and million dollar music.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
No, there's literally nowhere else because that's how my brain worked.
Just know that when my brain goes, that's where it goes.
I literally will somehow be able to correlate World War
three to Amaroda Towers and or.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
We got your take We know where you stand. We
know where you stand. Do we want to do one
big beautiful bill? Or Mom, Donnie runs New York?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
What I guess? A kay, what are your thoughts on that?
So the one big beautiful bill, y'all? The Senate passed
the bill. It's fifty Republicans that would for forty seven
dims and three Republics against voted against it. Yeah, it's
moving to the House for a vote, which by the
time this episode airs will be past the deadline. But basically,

(57:13):
it is a bill that would lead to approximately twelve
million people losing healthcare coverage. Plus it would add three
point three trillion dollars to the national debt. And if
I don't know if some of y'all know, bitch, Bill
Clinton just had our country debt free during our lifetime,
we were a debt free country.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
We are now heavily in debt wels.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, when you want to think of what debt looks like,
especially because I'm a world traveler.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
That's that's that budget error. You were talking about the
budgets and all that, that's that's that's that's the Clinton.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
The budgets of all well, they clearly have not budgeted
in our government very well. But basically what it does
is it affects the value of the dollar, which makes
witch we already paying taifs eggs of thirty six dollars,
and if we go in to debt even more by
three point three trillion dollars, it makes the US currency
worth fucking nothing. So imagine when you go to a

(58:09):
third world country and you're like, oh shit, everything sheep's
over here. It's because our dollar holds the value that
it holds, and so if we get this deep into
a fucking national debt, it really impacts us from a
military standpoint, from an economic standpoint. And for me, what's
crazy is the idea of twelve million people losing health coverage.

(58:31):
That part, I'm also thinking of the people that don't
have health coverage. Let's be very clear, this is the
people that would lose health care coverage. Do you know
how many people have to pay out of pocket because
they're not at a full time job. Because look at
the economy we're in. The unemployment rates are skyrocketed, and
there's people that are taking on multiple part time jobs

(58:54):
in order to cover the rents that ain't change that
have only kept going up, but they're doing so to
maintain life, and so they're not getting the benefits that
would normally come with a full time job. For me,
I ain't gonna led you. I don't understand it. I
don't understand anything happening with our government right now.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
I think you remember remember when Trump said he could
shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and like nothing would happen, Yes,
like that famous quote. I feel like that's what this
bill is because there's so many people that voted for
him that are poor, because Medicaid is for people with
low income or disability, and it's essentially like a huge
swath of people that voted for him that he's saying

(59:35):
fuck you, and he's expecting them to still support him.
So like, to me, this this feels like the actualization
of him saying like I could shoot people in Fifth Avenue,
nothing going to happen. To me, like he's about to
really like fuck over a ton of his base and
he expects them to st rock with him, and if
they do, I feel like we're in a shitty place.
But if they don't, hopefully they're not sheep and they

(59:56):
wake up. But to me, this is like the manifestation
of that comment.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
We fake outraging the whole crew told the whole death
Row crew told us what was going down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
They gave us all the clue blues clues.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
We had so many TikTok social media political pundits that
gave warning that broke down the I don't even want
to say that the you know what I'm talking about,
the man, the manifesto or whatever that shit is P five.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
They told you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Yeah, they told you, and we had an opportunity to
fix that. Right, I'm not I don't know not to
be conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
This reminds me of a nigga telling you wasn't ship
and you just want to keep hoping the relationship keeps
showing up with someone that bro Trump did told us
exactly where the fuck he was, and we're like, he's
going to be a great guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Actually he told us in twenty sixteen he been telling.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Us, bitch, So what been telling that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
What of it is? He told us? This is him,
This is him showing us because these cuts, the cuts
can go to the tax.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Makes Are we going to eat healthier?

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Are we going to practice good healthy habits to circumvent
this possibility as it relates to not having healthcare right,
sometimes you got to look at the other side of it, like, yo,
we are we do have some type of control over ourselves,
no matter what unfortunate. And I'm not it's fucked up
because the elders, and I think about the seniors who
may not have that opportunity to make those lifestyle changes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Not only that you're saying that elders, what about the
disabilities underserved communities where literally they have a Popeye's, a McDonald's,
there's no fresh produce in their neighborhoods, there's not a
Whole Foods nearby. It becomes almost a food desert. And
certain communities that don't have the ability to even eat healthier.

(01:01:45):
It's just not going to be an option for.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Those in East New York Brooklyn on Pennsylvania Avenue between
Lendon all the way down to let's say Stanley Avenue,
Oh maybe a little further. You got Chipotle. Now that's
more New Sonics within ten right. Then you have next
door to that Checkers. Across the street you have Popeyes
and Wendy's. Then across the street from that you have

(01:02:07):
white Castles as businesses.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I don't know how that. I ain't gonna hold you.
I don't know. White it's still here. If you want
bubble guts, it's a ship show. If you want a
free colonic baby eat white Castle, that ship gonna have.
You want a toilet, clean the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Bunk out all of those options, KFC somewhere down on
flat it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, and then in the middle not a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Juice barn site. And y'all know Planet Fitness serves pizza
on Friday. They want to keep y'all in that gym.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Listen, they still do that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
They do pizza Fridays at the goddamn Planet Fitness. I know,
we we we went a little over today, but we listen,
were back, you do. I want to get into some
a little bit more New York.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
The New York primaries, I think, okay, New York, Yes,
all right, so let's get into what mom Donnie runs
New York.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
He won fifty six percent of Culomo's forty four percent
for the Democratic elect And what's crazy is Cuomo is
actually saying he's not gonna like convene or fall out
the race. He's gonna re get into as an independent.
Which here's the thing. Here's the thing with that, with
where we're at with allowing ourselves to not just pick

(01:03:25):
red or blue. I like that such a progressive state
like New York is introducing this independent because Cuomo, even
though yes he's a piece of shit, and Adams, Eric
Adams is running. But and here's the thing, I'm glad
that they are, because what it does do if all
three of them ran as a Democrat, you're not splitting
so much of the Democratic vote. That's probably gonna lead

(01:03:47):
to a goddamn Republican.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Getting There's three independents running, so that may happen. Adams
is gonna be independent, There's a dude who got mad stacks,
He's gonna be independent, and then maybe Cuomo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I'm not mad. The Independent Party reminds me the Green Party.
I think that we should have always had another party
instead of making it so black and white, red and blue,
you know what I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Mean my mind, it seems like it's more the same.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Though they're just removing the they're still gonna get funded
by someone or someone's from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Both sides, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
So I mean, I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
I think it's still like kind of cap that they
running an independent because the values still are the same
as they was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
They was, Oh, yeah, they're just yeah, they're just opportunists.
They're just opportunists who got cash to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
But I feel what you're saying, no, just to have
you know the same people is like, okay, y'all just
switching the switching the part, but it's the same philosophy.
Is still going to get big donors and the billionaire funding.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
And just like I mean, to me, I prefer that.
I mean, there's so many people who aren't able to
run because running up a political position campaign is very expensive.
So I'm not mad with allowing us more options only
because let's be very clear, at the end of the day,
any political campaign, any any voting, anytime we have to vote,

(01:05:03):
we are choosing the lesser of two evils, And now
New York just gets to choose between the lesser of
four evils, you know what I mean. Like, Unfortunately, it's
still human beings making these decisions and running, and they
have all of their self interests. They still have their
own fucked up mindsets and mind views. Like what's even
crazy too is to know how progressive New York is
and to know that it's a blue state. It's really

(01:05:26):
fucked up that racism supersedes all, especially for the black
community to see how some of them are speaking about Mumdamni.
So one in particular is fifty cent who said he'll
actually pay Mmdamie to leave because of his plans to
tax the top one percent in corporations, and Eric Adams
jumped in with the tweet saying to send him to fantasyland.

(01:05:48):
So what kind of sucks is we're seeing the same
ways in which we as people, black people specifically have
been left out of the conversations to run in these
certain spaces, and he's receiving that from us as if
we haven't been in a position where people didn't feel
like we had the right to run because of our
ethnicity and color of our skin or where we're from.

(01:06:10):
It's really fucking ignorant to see black people doing that
to another person of color, especially one who definitely seems
to be a bit for the people. It is interesting
to me, though, how much religion is playing into this
a little bit, because there is supposed to be a
separation between the two, But again, that's just his his

(01:06:30):
cultural background and his upbringing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
And New York is a whole melting pot is a
whole melting and the progressive, the youth carried him to
the victory in this in this uh and I predict
that it's going to happen again. So we're going to
see a bunch of fake outrage. It's just I'm just
concerned about the antics that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Well, let's be very clear when you are wealthy, when
you are wealthy, unfortunately, you're rich before you're black. And
that's what I think celebrities work to get to. So
we're or no, I got money, I'm not like black
isn't going to stop me for anything. We saw Asap
do it when when BLM was taking place and he
was like, oh I got to having problems with the

(01:07:08):
cops type shit, you know what I mean? Even though
you know and he got fucking took brought out of
low Wayne, don't see color Like it's so crazy that
a part of our goals and many of us, I'm
not going to speak for all of us, but in
terms of the black community, the goal is to achieve
wealth to now no longer associate yourself with blackness. And

(01:07:29):
I feel like a comment like this from fifty cent
is exactly that, Like you're now just worried about your
one percent, But so what you're willing for someone to
remain in office then maybe still stops and risks that
might be misappropriating the use of the Department of Education
funds or gun laws and all these things that actually
have a stronger impact on our communities. Like it kind

(01:07:51):
of sucks. And speaking of that, I do want to
just lean into the politics. Well, I'm talking shit about fifty.
Another rapper in political mass is Nelly, who fired back
hit at critics who continue to say fuck you at
Soup Dog for being a part of Trump's inauguration festivities.
He initially said it was the White House and the

(01:08:12):
respect for the office, and now he's on ig Syngh.
In summary, I'll put whatever up. Me and Snoop do
more in the community and have been doing for over
twenty plus years against any of you that are just
on your talking trash and have no stats to back
up what you mean to the community. And I ain't
gonna hold you can't go ahead. I get it. I

(01:08:33):
get it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
No, no, no, no, I get it. I get it.
But my thing is these guys have to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
They got to understand that we're watching this stuff with
fans we contributed to their success and their wealth. So
when they do things like that that maybe go against
our philosophy and our expectations to them, they should be
open to critique and open to have dialogue and open
to have understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Don't just dismiss people like that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
That's the only thing I have a problem with, Like,
you know, Snoop, he said things that was in locksteff
with the community, and then he does this and then
it's like when people hold them accountable or not whole accountable,
the action Bouty is like dismissive. Don't be dismissive. I
don't think that that's the the We deserve conversation and explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
You know what I think. What I think this we want,
this response is him being human. If y'all's black people
are still working for these cracker ass crackers, because you
need to check. Let's be very honest. He probably got
a check for this, like when you are like as
an entertainer, like he has mouths to feed. He has

(01:09:44):
Like if you're still out here, we talked about it.
There's some of you that are still shopping at Target, right,
There's still some of you that are doing things because
it's the easy thing to do. There's still some of
you working for corporations that you may not fully align
with if you really look at who their support in
terms of presidential elects or government places, or how they're
really helping the community. You could be a man sucking

(01:10:07):
dick working for a homophobic ass company because guess what,
the end of the day, Bill's got to get paid.
And so for me, I think that we hold these
celebrities to these kind of unrealistic standards of kind of
how they should exist when sometimes we're in the same
exact position as them, just at a smaller scale. Pro
you went and got a check.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Tell everybody got a price.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Everybody got a price. And that's why fucking fifty is like, oh, nigga,
let me see you out of here. So I gotta
pay the taxes that I don't want to pay because
I'm rich, Fuck everybody else. At the end of the day.
I always said, we're dealing with possible nuclear missiles and
air strikes and all this shit. Nigga, the end of
the world ain't gonna because of zimbies, ain't gonna because

(01:10:47):
of alien attack. It's gonna because we are all individualistic
and when it comes down to it, there's not gonna
be one one day, shape or time where we really
come together as a motherfucking community and come together and
form arms to protect the nation, each other, our neighborhoods.
It's not going motherfucking happen. And if you don't believe me,
watch Queen of Slim. See how that motherfucker movie ended.

(01:11:09):
It's a trash ass movie that made me mad. But
I said, ooh, this is why the world go in
because we ain't got no can That's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Why any who Jason, when did nanny take us your
how to? When did she take us your how to? Jason?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
All right, we talked to all the politics that it's
not right just because we came back. We missed y'all
for a couple of weeks. It's not right. Without getting
into our did He trial predictions as of today, at
this very moment, the jury is deliberating. By the time
this comes out, there could be a verdict. But before
we get out of here, I did want to sign
out with did He trial predictions. I'm gonna start with you, Jason,

(01:11:55):
then I want to hear yours King, and then I'll
wrap it up and send our classmates on their way.
So what do you think the verdict will be in
the did He trial? Jason go First, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I think, I know, the Rico conversation gets real funny
and people are like, that's not Rico, and some people
are like, you don't know what Rico is. Obviously, it's
probably like the wrong framing to go after him for
because Rico was supposed to be for people like al Capone, right,
But I think I think the like the coercion part
is what's really gonna get him. Like I think, I think,

(01:12:33):
like what because I know, like you know, you had
to mention it like Jane Doe's testimony, and I know,
like she talked a lot about like how she booked
her own escorts and how she was jealous, but then
it kept on coming up where then Puff always kept saying,
you know, I pay your rent right and then and
then he and then he he like slowly got her away,
like he had her own call so much that she

(01:12:53):
couldn't even do anything else for money, and so like,
I think, if he goes down, it's the coercion part
that gets them. I think I think that's the like
make it or break it part do you think he
does time. I think he does time. I think it
does time. And I think the coresion is gonna be
the thing that gets on interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Okay, King, I don't think that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
I think he's gonna They dropped the arson and kidnapping
charge to simplify the charges. From what I understand, and
part of me those out there that's listening, if I
if I got this wrong, because I've kind of been
in and out of following this stuff. That's been unanymous

(01:13:32):
decision on this right. So if there's twelve jurors and
there's one eleven not eleven guilty, one not guilty, what
does that means that mistrial?

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Is it hung Jerry jury? He goes free.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
He goes free. So you got to have all eleven, twelve,
whatever the number of juries. I think he's I think
he's gonna escape this one, Okay. I think based on
what I'm seeing. And then also there's the consent part
of it. Even with all of the things that has
been exposed, there is Listen, this lifestyle, those doors that

(01:14:05):
you go through, you have a choice, and I think
that and I'm not see I think another part of
it is people always want to confuse what happened with
Cassie yep, and not look at all of the other
things that's been happening, even in some cases her participation,
if you will. And it took me a while to
even accept that there's a lot of consent in this
stuff here because of the lifestyle and the money and

(01:14:26):
all of the things that come with it. So I
think that that's also another part of it, regardless of
what it is I think publicly is. He's been tried
and convicted, But as far as the legal aspect of it,
I'm fifty fifty with I think he's going to walk.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Maybe I'm interested in your take because I feel like
the same person we think, like because I think Jane
Dope's thing got him, and I know you think it worked.
Opposite to me is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
A little bit more of the Jane Doe thing, right.
I think that the prosecution did a great job showing
that here, freaky ass right. I think they did a
terrible job showing that he's a criminal essentially, And even
for what the public's perception is of Rico, you assume

(01:15:12):
there's all these bodies and drugs and like, like a
Rico charges, like you think in mafia. You thinking like
the well, you know what I mean, You're thinking this
huge criminal organization enterprise, And unfortunately, it literally just told
us the story of Hollywood. And so for me, I

(01:15:36):
hate to say that, I do think he's just gonna
get time served. I don't think that fifty cent Baby
Mama aka Jane Doe helped it all with the testimony,
because what it showed unfortunately, heard admitting to being jealous
of young Miami, heard pretty much saying she thought she

(01:16:00):
was the only one. It pretty much looked more like
a scorned woman up there who was just accepting this
for the lifestyle of ten thousand dollars a month, and
so it took away even whatever coercion or non consent
and things like that, because she was a willing participant
because she got paid. And then even bringing up all
the male sex workers, they pretty much just said, well,

(01:16:21):
the women actually a lot of the times hired us,
they did it sometimes. I didn't even see Diddy like it,
and we got paid. So even the male escorts that
were interviewed didn't seem coerce. I think, yes, you get
Diddy on transporting quote unquote prostitutes across state lines so

(01:16:41):
that is sex trafficking. I ain't gonna holding if you
charge him with that. Say goodbye to the NFL, Say
goodbye to the NBA, Say goodbye to every any and
every fucking entertainer ever. Okay, say goodbye to the C
suite level goddamn execs at all. Bro, what are we
talking about? You feel me? And so for me, I

(01:17:04):
think that that it's hard to stick. And like you
talked about, we have a jury that consists of eight men.
There is one niggle with just some mastaggy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
The nigga who passed the notes once they blew up
that about how he was questioning what the what Rico
was said.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
That's paying attention to that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
For we have one nigga on that jury. That is
like any of the motherfuckers has been in my comments
over the last couple of weeks. Baby did he walking free?
Oh yeah, and it'll go time served. And the crazy
part about it is, I think everybody a little freaking out.
I think he comes back out and starts making his
money the same way we still see in Shannon Sharp

(01:17:46):
all nightcap and interviewing all these celebrities that chose to
sit with him the same way We're like, there's still
just so many celebrities that are out free just living
life because guess what, especially when you create your own
ip M that mister Mormon didn't do. But when you're
out here creating your own IP, you create your lane
because you have your supporters that pay for you and

(01:18:07):
rock with you, and it is what it is. And
so I think the Ditty's going to be able to
kind of bounce back from this, and I hate that
because it's just going to prove that with money, with power,
you can kind of get away with murder or at
least attempted, because he did put that guy, you know
what I mean. I don't know what he really did,

(01:18:27):
but allegedly there's a lot of shit that maybe he
didn't get away with murder essentially, you know. So who baby, Well, listen, y'all,
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every Thursday or Friday. I don't think we've really picked
the day, but really excited to get into that. And
if you were in the ATL starting next week, maybe
the week after Hot one oh seven nine, you can
check me out on the airways on Saturday from six
to eight off the clock with my girl djjazz Et. Honestly,

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so many of y'all hate me, and bitch I just
keep talking, Okay, So thank y'all for rocking with v
Thank you Black Effect for bringing me onto the network.
Shout out to my two super producers, Jason and a
King on the MICA. Y'all, this is Selective Ignorance, where
curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. Sometimes see you

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