Ep. 26 | The Orange Cheeto and State Policies feat. Mama Tammi - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

(00:03):
before we get to this week's episode, I want to
remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel
free to go to your local bookstores preferably queer owned,
black owned, or woman owned to support them. But also
just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or

(00:23):
wherever you read your books. Again. That is No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power, written by
yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy.
Make sure y'all get that. Now let's get to this
week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,
a production of the Black EPEC Podcast Network and Iartradio.

(00:45):
Welcome back. It's another week of Selective Ignorance with me
your host, Mandy B. The show where we choose not
to know better until it's way too late. Today's episode,
all right, buckle up, y'all. Not only am I joined
by the person who birthed me, but we are talking
politics and so whether you are red, whether you are

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blue or whether you are purple, you are in for
a ride, because we are talking everything and we're living
through a reality show right now that makes Tiger King
look like a dignified statesmanship. Eight months into the reign
of the Cheeto in Chief, and somehow Washington, DC has
turned into a season long improv performance where nobody remembers
the script or apparently the constitution. The dysfunction isn't just loud,

(01:30):
it's operatic. And baby, we are literally only less than
a year in of this four year term. And if
you think that this is the peak of the chaos,
oh sweet summer child, I have bad news. This might
be the opening credits. Let's also get into it. Meanwhile,
down in Florida, my state, the Gunshine State where I

(01:52):
am from and embarrassed to say, the state that somehow
keeps topping itself, we are talking alligator Alcatraz because apparently
even reptiles need maximum security or immigrants. And while you
might laugh at the absurdity, here's the thing. State level
nonsense isn't just a local color no more. It's not

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just local state laws. Bills and wild eyed policy experiments
have a nasty habit of becoming federal mandates. Gee, what
a coincidence. What starts as just a Florida thing could
be your next thing, whether you voted for it or not.
And for my friends in the Blue States, don't get smug.
A red state's bad idea can leap borders faster than

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an unvaccinated measles outbreak. And Texas, I'm looking at you
right now. We will get to your unique contributions in
a minute. But also, somehow Texas loves to kind of
not make Florida as embarrassing. So today we're asking what's
really going on in DC? Are we only seeing the
tip of the incompetence Iceberg? And how much danger are

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we in if we keep pretending the other states problems
can't be ours. Let's get into it. It's another episode
where I am joined by one half of my super producers,
Jason and the.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Bo Yo Yo Yo.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I was I was gonna make it just a tip joke,
but I couldn't fit it in.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
All right, y'all, we are missing a king again this
week as he deals with family matters. Keep his family
and your prayers please. However, we are joined. I don't
know how y'all are gonna feel about this one. We
are joined by my mother, Miss Tammy, because y'all know where.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Is Miss Tammy.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
If y'all are fans of the horrible Decisions, Decisions, Decisions,
brand I decided that I refuse to have her talk
about sex, dating and relationships any further.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
However, she said she's done.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
However, we have the woman who birthed the god. We
have Miss Hammy in the building. And why I chose
to speak about this is because what we do get
on the phone when she chooses to be a mother
and actually talk to me and not live through my
Instagram story. By the way, parents call your children, don't

(04:13):
act like you know what's going on just because you
followed them on the stories. I'll be telling my mom
every time we talk, I am going to block you.
I would like for you to not know what I'm
going and doing in life without you asking me for it.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
That you're so busy, I don't want to interrupt call.
I got him.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
You're so busy and I want to interrupt you.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
And sometimes when I call you to be like, oh my, oh,
the call is going to end in like one minute
because I have another call, But I'm going to call
you back and it doesn't I don't get the call back.
Don't do that, just say sometimes sometimes thank you. Let's
not make this all the time thing.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And by the way, set up, because you're just as
loud as me, and I need them to know that
this is where I got my rast, this is where
I got my audience. Oh yeah, okay, y'all will hear
it later when she gets into her talks.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Y'all know.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
I like to kind of start off the pod by sharing.
It's like, what is it finding Carmen San Diego, it's
Andy b. Last week I joined my family in Orlando.
By the way, she's mad that this was on the outline, Jason,
but I had to share because this is another reason

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why I chose to sit with my mom and really
dive into politics. Not only does she someone who's in Florida.
Me and my mom have had multiple conversations about a
lot of things. We'll talk about my first time voting
in the presidential election, which she reminded me today. We'll
talk about the conversations that we have. Since she's someone

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who has been in Florida for so long, I've got
to leave, and so she's constantly kept me abreast with
goddamn DeSantis. By the way, you might not know, Jason,
do you want to tell my mama what you have
called me? And my nickname is? And I don't like it?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
And it rolls off the tongue many detis, Oh like.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
That, Miss Tammy approved.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't like it. I don't like you because I
am I am, I am not am.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
But as I would say, I'm very liberal, but I
have some black conservative views and I want to do that.
I want to say black conservative, because yeah, not a
conservative ship that Ray Daniels and Carla was talking about
eight me. Uh so I'm sometimes a little black conservative,
but yeah, me and my mom oftentimes when we get

(06:30):
on the phone outside of family gossip, somehow we constantly
find ourselves talking about what the fuck is happening in
the country. So I want to share the story about
going to Disney World with my mama.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
So it was very emotional, and it shouldn't have been.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's fucking Disney World. WHOA. So I go to Orlando,
shout out to the hometown fall siven Choppa City, but
but blah blah.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'm there to not only see my family because it's
been a while and we're not touring No holds bart anymore.
We're doing more intimate settings. So I go to Florida
to not only see my family, but to see one
of my best friends, DeAndre, celebrate her son's one year birthday. Now,
she tells me, girl, we're doing Magic Kingdom, And I said,

(07:21):
magic Kingdom for a one year old. She's like, yeah,
there's like twenty of us going. I said, none of
that sounds fun to me. So I said, as a
matter of fact, let me hear my family. See if
they're free, we gonna do Epcot and drink.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Around the World because we adults.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
And there's this thing trending if you look it up,
it's hashtag drink around the world. If you go to Epcot,
you get to go to every country. Well not every country,
it's eleven countries. So imagine drinking eleven drinks in ninety
five degree weather in Florida.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
And when we got to where this was taking place
at that I had a moment. We were probably nine countries.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
In we were I think we were seven.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, it's still a lot. We were.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
America is like kind of a little bit over the
halfway point. We had just left Japan. We had some sushi.
I put my mama onto Alto and the fact that
I'm putting her on the ultro Disney Disney just stepped up, y'all.
They Japan was cute. Japan was cute. So anyways, we're about, yeah,
six six tricks in, so we're a little a little

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bit in our fields. Disney, as you guys know, is
one of those conglomerates. They're like an Elon Musk Jeff Bezzos,
you have Disney World, and although he's dead, baby, they
are in bed with the government. So mon cut Decantas
don't like them, but that's because dictators don't like dictators.

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Powerful people don't like powerful people. It's why it's why
Elon is no longer friends with Trump. They was fighting
Little Dick's Little Little Dick sword fight.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Figure out, we don't like everybody we have sex with either.
So yeah, so we get to.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
The part and it's like, damn it, it's pouring, it's raining,
and I'm like, well, let's run over to the US
of A where we don't really want to spend much time.
But they have a show. It's a show on.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
American history, has.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
No no we got the espresso Martinez in America.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh we didn't. We got the wine because you brought
me another wine into the venue.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Mom, that was Italy.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh okay, that was Italy.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
We had Psychia and Japan and this is the up thing.
But you mix it. They said, y'all are adults, and
y'all shouldn't be doing this. But here we are Disney
World for adults. So we go into what is the
American History Activation. It's a show. It's like three D
statues that come up beautifully done. You have pretty much

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all the way back to Pilgrims and Indians, all the
way up to current day.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So we get in there, we watch it. It's probably
only a fifteen minute show. Mayby fifteen twenty, about fifteen
minutes show. It's really thought out. I was like, damn
it made real people. They robots.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
We mind you.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
We slipping our espresso martinis looking at the history that
we all know already.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
So me and my sister are sitting there next thing,
you know. We we here and it's like this story.
We're not outside this, no allergies. We look over. My
mom is balling.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
She's like, when I say balling, you're triggering me. No, no,
I look, you're triggering me right now when I say,
my mom is bawling, And I was like, bro, we
had this.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't know what just triggered this, right, I'm like,
mind you, it's not like we took shrooms. We wasn't
in no fields. We was drinking that sit you know
what I mean. So me and my my sister testing,
it's like.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Mommy's crying.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
And I was like, she what So I look over
and she's teary eyed, face red, bawling.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I was like, what is that you?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Okay, don't know what triggered her? Mind you. By this point,
they're showing the collage of the US Olympics and nine
to eleven and all of the things that America has
accomplished like in the last maybe two days and suffered
through answered Jesus, Yes, So here we go. I'm like,
ma you okay, Mom, Do you want to share what

(11:26):
your response was in the moment or do I need
to do it?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I will, okay. So what I said was this is
not the way it's supposed to be, Like this is
not our country, Like this is not where we're supposed
to be divided and sr and all of.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
That right, she laughing.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
History school I went to was lad and I didn't
go to history school. Did you even finish high school? Yeah?
Pretty much, pretty much. But yeah, it was sad because
they're so I used to cry, Like even when we
went to Stone Mountain and they play the songs God

(12:08):
Bless America and all that, it's emotional for me. So
hearing those same things annoying. The state of our country
now is just very traumatic, very bothering.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now, for those of you who are new listeners, those
of you who are not watching on YouTube, those of
you who are not familiar with my upbringing. Why I
love that this touches my mom so much is because
she is a white woman, and so you expect this
from someone who went through four hundred years of slavery
and civil rights movement and that history. But your history

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is not ours.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I don't look at it like that though. I'm not
looking at it as I feel like our country came
so far and we were doing so good with equality, so.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
You thought it was great at one point, and you
wanted it to be great again.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I think that it's just bad. Okay, first of all, Oh,
I am not a maga. I just watched this. Okay,
you're gonna now you're gonna get the rasp. Now you're
gonna get the rasp, Okay, but absolutely not. No.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
So I guess I guess when I ask you that
question is while we're looking at even even back to
the Pilgrims and Indians, we know how they portray it.
We know it wasn't peacht and cream. We know them
niggas sit all at the table. We know that like
the like the Pilgrims quote unquote literally gave disease to

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the Indians, took over their land, and so it wasn't
this Kumbaya Thanksgiving moment. So when you say that the
inception of the country, like everything was on some bullshit, right,
and so when are you talking about We weren't supposed
to be like this. And this is y'all know, I
hate people, and I don't mean to hate people. But
as long as we've had people in charge, right, which

(13:50):
we do because there's no aliens, there's no robots. Robots
are coming next. But we had slavery off the grips
of humans and their thoughts, the bartering systems, the so
economic ways in which we lead our communities and cities,
and towns all are based off of the seven Deadly
Since you got greed, you got people that want to
be empower you have people that are fine with being

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at the bottom. And so at what point if you
could pick a decade where things were good? Not a
trick question, but it is, what decade do you think
things were things were better?

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I know that the country's gone through a lot. People
have gone through a lot, but I where I was,
It's it's like what we were talking about. I mean,
I used to be able to be in any any area,
any avenue, and people reacted differently. And I feel like, unfortunately,
as a white woman, I'm looked at a maga. Oh yeah,

(14:46):
I don't you.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Mamma was always the only white person around. So you're
saying it's different now, Oh absolutely, really absolutely.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Because they knew you had blake kids right when they
thought you were Spanish. When we went to the doctor,
blah blah, no, I don't know, Oh my.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
God, by the way, Jason is Puerto Rican.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah. I would take them to the doctors and the
doctors would start speaking to me in Spanish, and I'd
look at them and be like, I don't know what
you're saying.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
At the grocery store and they would think she was
babysitting us. Yeah, oh wow, and then white men would
be like, ooh, candidate you you got three black kids.
But so to me then, knowing that those things were happening,
it's always kind of happened.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I think that we during Obama's reign, I think that
we had actually gotten a little better, okay, And I
think that race relations and things like that were were improving.
And then came Trump first term.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Wait, I want to take a step back, because then
came Trump. But I remember in growing up and yes,
we we could talk about Obama, which was the first
president that I got to vote for.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Wait a minute, the first president that she got to
vote And the only reason that she got to for
this president was because she sent me to stand in
line and call her when I got closed. No, no, oh, y'ah,
niggas be waiting in line for hours. Yeah, She's like,
I'm sleeping.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
And I was already able to get as long as
I came to school with the sticker that I voted,
I got to like not go to school. Mind you,
if you go to school in Florida as a high schooler,
you start at seven forty five am. Well, now I
ain't got to wake up early. I this again, my
first time voting. I had just turned eighteen three weeks prior,
so I was finally eligible to vote. And yeah, Like

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my mom was like, you ready, we're gonna go stand
in line. And I think she was in line at
like six am or something stupid and I was like,
oh yeah dah, like so literally, and I didn't remember that,
so my mom had the conversation. Yeah, so my first
time voting for Obama didn't really have to stand online
stand in line.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Like tast rabbit before task Rabbit.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
To the library that we were able to vote at,
and I casted in my vote and thank you for
holding the line for me to experience my first vote.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I appreciate that anything for you, dear.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You brought up him, But what about like we had
the Bush administration. I also know that you're old enough
to exist during the Clinton administration and Clinton to.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Me, I really didn't follow through Clinton. You didn't find
I think I was in a different space. Okay, Yeah,
I mean I think he was.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I guess because you were in your twenties too. Yeah,
for anyone listening, and I know like this, this podcast
is probably a bit more mature than you know, other
podcasts I've had. But it's funny how much politics as
an umbrella doesn't really become to even matter literally into
your thirties. This is one of the crazy things, Like
in my twenties, I mean, I will vote, Okay, let

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me go to local. I will sending you my little
things because you was like, bitch, make sure you vote.
My mama made sure I voted in my twenties because
I made sure to keep Florida residency. But you don't care.
You genuinely feel like politics don't.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Impact it doesn't impact too well.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
And maybe twenty year olds feel differently now that they
have to go to other states for abortions.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
But but what it's just like you were talking about.
In my time, we didn't have the internet. We didn't
have even in my early twenties, like when you guys
were born, you know, we didn't have internet. We didn't
have the access to the media that we have now,
and trying to dissect everything that we see and what

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we hear and oh, well who posted that, Oh that's trash,
Oh but that's real.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know, I was saying that to Jay Hill Jason
like when like we're now in and I don't even
want to say an echo chamber, because now everyone can
have their opinions on things, but the way that we
receive information is.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Just so much more overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
No, it's overwhelming now to me because although I love AI,
I am now questioning what's real and what's not every
time I'm looking at something.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
And.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
So like like even y'all gonna laugh at me. There
was a picture going around last week with a little baby.
He had a little pink shirt and it looks a
little plainboint.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I was like, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 (19:17):
And they were like, since that's AI.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I was like, oh, that's the one where they have
the talking babies. They have the talking babies. Why watch
all of them? You like the talking? Oh my god.
They're like, can you tell us? Can you tell us
why you're mad at your mom? Because I told that
holder I didn't want to got this, and she made
me go. She put me in the strollar talking.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Babies, They talk babies was entertaining. But I'm talking about
us consuming us consuming news, and I want to share
this before we get into politics. Because my mom, knowing
she was coming on this spot. She got here yesterday
and here she goes trying to make me watch the news,
and I was like, why we gotta watch the news?

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So I don't even know where the news is on
my tea, so I go straight to Sling. Sling is
kind of my cable app. It's my streaming app with
cable television. So I couldn't even find the news channels.
Were looking for the news. Then I see local news.
I'm like, no, it's not local news. Then I have
to look for the MSNBC, the CNN, the Fox, and Fox.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
We know that.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
We got to take it with a grain of salt,
and I'm literally like, oh shit. I'm like, Mom, you
still watch the news. She was like, well, how the
fuck you know what's going on? And I say Twitter, like,
I literally scroll my social media apps to be updated
on breaking news because to me, television is still very

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cycled by the hour. It's not only breaking, baby, and
it's controlled on your on your phone, it's it's breaking.
So I'm excited to kind of get into all the things.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
All the tea.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Uh. By the way, my mom looked the outline for
this and was like, oh my god, it's a lot.
We are gonna skip the double down or take it
back because the only viral clips that I had in
the last couple of weeks were about things I would
rather not talk about.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
With my mother.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Not even gonna hold you, y'all have had many things
to say. I'm gonna keep it for maybe next week,
but the clips and my thoughts and views on my body,
my choice, how I'm navigating dating is not something I
want to debate or double down in front of my mom.
So we are gonna get down for some ignorance here

(21:34):
on selective ignorance. And we should start because you are
well versed in Florida politics, and so I would love
for you, if you don't mind to give us a
brief for anyone who's unfamiliar with alligator Alcatraz, because maybe

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someone who's listening lives in New York, don't give a
fuck about the swamps, don't know the difference between an
alligator and a crocodile, maybe doesn't really care about.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
What it, doesn't even really understand swamps like that whole situation,
you know what I mean, It's crazy and for like
a New.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
York like the swamp right very clear, I guarantee you
a large portion of the country does not know what
a swamp is. The same way, Jason, A lot of
people are confused with the fact that New York has burrows.
Yeah it's burrows, not cities, and kind.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Of people don't think New York has beaches, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Like they literally think New York doesn't have beaches.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Oh yeah, they're not beat I'm just saying they're not
a second and that's water and there's lands and they meet.
That's not a beach. No, no, no, no. I've been
to the island, Condy Island.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Okay, that's not really they.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Have plastic palm trees.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Okay, okay, But I never took you to Orchard Beach,
Jones Beach.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I have missed that away. Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
But which, by the way, Orchard Beach is subjective because
when I lived in the Bronx, although they call it
Orchard Beach, they told you not to get in the water.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh yeah, that's not a beach. It's like New Smurna.
Don't go in the water, you'll get bit by a
Shark's crazy.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
They weren't telling you not to go in the water
in fear of wildlife they were telling you not to
go in the water, are coming out with a six
to oh, so can you explain real quick what is
Alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Alligator Alcatraz is the detention area that they're transporting the
illegal immigrants, which is not absolutely true. There's actually citizens,
not citizens, but people that are legally naturalized. But it's

(23:56):
like I was telling you earlier, Okay, so they take
them there that supposedly, they fly them to a country that.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
They probably can't even get water. It's probably less than spirit.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
But if you can only imagine, and being from Florida,
you should be able to understand the magnitude. With no
air conditioner, you have mosquitoes breeding in a swamp, and
you also have the wildlife. Remember the Everglades is where
they go and chase the pythons that are have been

(24:29):
let loose by their owners. They can't take care of
them and they grow to an exhorted them.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Iold, yeah, I know nothing about it.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So so in short, it's an outdoor person and detained
immigrants and each you're saying, it's not even each cage.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Each cage, they have the bunks in houses. Thirty two
men and they have three toilets. They don't even go
up so poorly. And recently the one of the detainees
died because there was no medical care. These people are
not getting their medicines, they're not getting their insulince, they're
not getting and they don't have any And I think

(25:11):
one of the worst things that I saw is not
you know, whatever his agenda is. I don't know where
his is who I'm going to say DeSantis, Okay, because
he is becoming I remember he wanted to run for president.
What is it but him and she had a fallen out.
Remember but he was the only governor that went to

(25:31):
the White House during COVID. He was the only one
on camera, just like hcs CEO was the only medical
person that went on camera during COVID with Trump. Right,
So they had and one of his ads when he
was campaigning for governor had him building a wall and

(25:51):
he had his little son, like maybe fifteen months old,
build the wall. And if you go on YouTube and
put the wall video by just saying this, you could
find it.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
But where were they building the wall and floor?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
No, he was talking. He was supporting Trump.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Supporting Trump and build the wall. Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
So it's it's in humane treatment. It is an absolute
travesty that we're even experiencing into this. They're comparing it
to Oh, no concentration camp, concentration camps during halls. They
don't have access to lawyers, they don't there's no human.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Rights concentration camps that they had in the US. By
the way, they had the concentration camps in the US wait,
which were in the US doing World War Two when
it was rounding up all the Asian people.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh wait, not everybody.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
This is why y'all said this ain't find on Twitter?
What is second?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
What a second?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Or it's not even jerky us Originally it was in.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Your over there in Europe.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I don't even know what is second? What a second?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Those same camps that we read about during the Holocaust
were also here in the US.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
They rounded up a bunch of Asian people. This was
in the nineteen hundred stig. This wasn't like about the.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Asian concentration camp. But it wasn't the same as Holocaust
were for the Jews.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what racial, It doesn't matter
in a camp absolutely, but it's still process.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
All those I guess I say all that to say,
like when I think of concentration camp, right, you think
of the type of prison and system that was set
up by Hitler. We don't consider because America is supposed
to be this grandiose.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Place with President living in nineteen thirty. No, literally, he's absolutely,
he's absolutely taking this country back so far that I
don't know when it's going to come back. Let's just
pray that we keep any type of democracy that allows
us to vote, that we are able to get him
out because we don't want dance in either. No, we

(27:50):
don't want Vance is literally you have to watch hill
Billy Elegy. He'll Billy, He'll billy, what mam, He'll billy.
It's the book, but there's also a movie that was made.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, let me watch the movie because reading the whole book.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
A little billy elegy or something. But you know.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
But yeah, but from the back end, Vance, yeah, he
was from that. And then he tried to say like
he wasn't down with Trump, and then he got down.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh he was so not down with him, but down
it's for his benefit. But have a scam. It's all
the scam.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
By the way, I want to add to this y'all
that Florida is paying four hundred and fifty million dollars
to operate alligated Alcatraz. And here's some of the complaints
outside of the ones that my mom has shared. There
is no working plumbing, and so let me put that
into perspective. If you recently watched the poop Cruise on
train Wreck, which is a documentary on Netflix, plumbing and

(28:45):
not having working plumbing, what that means for sickness and
illness and body and living to also know thirty two
people are in a bunk with only three toilets. This
is why I live by myself. I be mad when
I wake up in my house and I gotta wait
for the bathroom being used. Imagine thirty two people sharing
three toilets. That is crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
And they're not even closed toilets. They're literally they're jail toilet.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
You have maggots everywhere. You've already mentioned that detainees are
not allowed to speak to lawyers. There are over two
hundred and fifty people without criminal conventions or charges that
are being held simply because simply simply, uh, there is
no system in place to determine who's in charge. So
you have the federal government credit, but Florida funded. Then

(29:35):
you have the Department of Homeland Security, who also is
dealing with ICE, and then Florida go come on now,
Cometaines names don't show up in ICE's database. A judge
recently gave on August eighteenth date and August eighteenth date
for officials to sort that out. So imagine how many

(29:55):
people currently don't know where their family members are exactly,
and you can't them because there's no public database right
now to filter out who is being held captive. Something
that also just got brought up to me chasen where
Florida is like, bitch, we're the worst state. Can you

(30:17):
explain what the fuck Texas is about that is doing
right now trying to one up to like it?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Just call it BUCkies. I know, buckets, that's a good one.
Buck Yes, So.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Bus for a concentration camp is crazy Texas governor.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
He wants to follow suit, just like Florida and make
their own Alligator Alcatraz. They can't come up with a
clever name. They're just saying, you know, it's just gonna
be bigger. That's all they can Cowboy city, bigger.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
No city. No, Remember we got deportation depot coming to
North Florida, Florida.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Florida's just racking them up.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Florida. Wait, deportation deepot, Yes, ma'am, that's what we're they're
building up in it. I believe it's in the Panams
one of the prisons that have been closed down since
like twenty twenty one. They're running evading it and they're
calling it deportation depot.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Wait, it's like it. Texas is only putting a hold
on announcing this because they can't come up with a
cool name name.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
They can't come up with what a cruel name, a
cruol enough.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Name that is insane.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, so no, no, this is insane that if this
goes to like each state, because just like Trump did
with COVID, he didn't make any decisions that would affect
anything federally. He gave everything to the states. So when
you look at what the states are bringing to the
table for this, for this deportation issue, some states are

(31:36):
just like, I don't want to do it. But then
he starts cutting their fundy.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
M yeah, which is what we see him doing with CBS.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I really want to know in Florida, who's going to
pay for this yo, because I don't think, girl, I
don't think it's coming out of FEMA right now.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's coming out right now, which is crazy because.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Because y'all get hurricanes.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
It's happened to your emergency relief is in.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
But understand that this was also a program that was
run by the for profit prison system, which we've been
under for a number of years now. We don't have
county jails, not anymore. No, they're privatized and they get
so much money per detainee that they have in there.

(32:21):
So it's going to be a business of ruining lives.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I mean, it's the same way we saw COVID become
a business with the pharmaceutical companies. We had a conversation
on a previous episode about the prison system and what
prison perform could look like knowing that it's operated as
a business. It's even when we talk about birthcare and
privatized hospitals compared to public hospitals, and what's really happening.

(32:48):
Even with my friend who has his own private practice,
you have an element of private practices fighting insurance companies
right now.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Absolutely, we're insurance companies really.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Don't want to pay out, and it's like sir, I'm
taking care of these people.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That's a whole episode when it comes to insurance coming.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
My mom works in the healthcare field, so maybe I'll
have to have her back to talk about all the
tea there, but I want to make sure she keeps
her job. I do actually want to play a clip,
if you don't mind. I shared this with my mom.
She hadn't seen it before, and I was just like,
this explains everything. And if you are one of my

(33:26):
white listeners, I don't want you to be upset at
all of the clip if you hadn't heard it yet,
but it was really interesting and I want to know
your thoughts on it. After talking about uh, the Alcatraz,
after talking about all these things, I'm gonna play this clip.
But Jason, I'm not sure if you heard this one
yet or not.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
Here we go white people that triple trumped, that have
the nerve and the audacity to walk into a Mexican restaurant,
a Chinese restaurant, an Indian restaurant go to perhaps they're
gay hairdresser. I don't think you should be able to

(34:03):
enjoy anything but cracker barrel. If you want to triple
trump and you want to browbeat DEI, and you want
to browbeat gay people, and you want to browbeat black
people as you've been doing for four hundred years. And
you want to browbeat this generation of immigrants that come
over here and open up businesses, earnestly pay their taxes.
You want to demonize them and call them rapists and

(34:26):
felons and all this shit. When the felon is the
teeny weenie mushroom cog piece of shit Cankels Mctaco tits
at the top of the ticket.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I have fucking had it from top to bottom.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
White people that triple Trump should be banned, boycotted from
enjoying the best thing that America has to offer, which
is multi culturalism. Get your fat asses out of the
Mexican restaurant and get your fat asses over to Cracker Barrel,
because nobody wants to see your fucking smug ass, teeny
weenie pink arm big gut around.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Nobody wants to see that shit.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
No one.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Love she got them bar that is Jennifer wells Is.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't like that this other white podcaster called her
a self hating white podcaster, But she's a white podcaster
with goddamn sets and I mean, I agree, it's it's
really interesting because I guess I didn't realize the experience
that you were having right now with existing as a
white woman walking into spaces of black people are people

(35:32):
of color, because there is this line where we think
all white people are maga, all black people are a Democrat.
If you guys listen to our Purple Party episode, you
will see that that's not true.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
But that's where I'm saying that. That's why I got
emotional in the US over at Epcot is because it
didn't used to be that way. It didn't used to
be where people looked at each other and automatically thought
your political party and what you did and how it's
affecting their lives. Now, it us a never an issue.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Let me let me ask you this question. And it's
because during the pandemic, you and I, you and my
sister had the conversation. Jason also going to let you
in on something. So during BLM, my mom wanted to

(36:21):
go down and walk in Orlando in protests in March,
and I remember my sister questioning, like if you should
be down there because you're because you're white. And I
had my thoughts just because you'd be getting loud and rowdy,
and I was just sure you locked up.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Never that, But it was it was.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Interesting because I remember you questioning how you can show up.
You're like, I have three black black daughters. Of course
I'm going to show up for this. And it's interesting
because we all internally had a conversation with what that
looked like, you marching for us, you showing up in
that capacity, what other people may think. And you be
quick to say, well, I don't give a fuck what
these you call crackers, and so what does that look

(37:02):
like now?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
And what not?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
That you're speaking for white people at all? But what
can white people that our allies do to separate themselves? Clearly,
Jennifer Welsh is using her public platform, but how do
you show up in conversations at work or in private
or you know what?

Speaker 6 (37:18):
I think?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
It's just about no matter and and and this is
the way it was, and that is no matter. It's
just like where I work at, we have nurses, we
have doctors, we have kitchen staff, we have housekeepers. You
give everybody the same respect, and you make them aware,
try to make them aware of who you are. You
don't have to have a whole conversation.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
But you know, as soon as you tell them you
black daughters, they know what.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
The mago they already know. They call me Compton, they
call they call you. Fernando calls me Compton. Wow, he
does because you know that like boiled peanuts and all
that stuff. And he'd be like, yeah, he messed with
me a lot. That's okay. I love him. He's he's
a fun guy.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Call you Compton in Florida's Yeah. But you just say
you just drop little inklings like that that should ain't
with me.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah. Anybody that knows me already knows yeah. And so
I mean that's where I'm saying that the different effects
I'm getting this from when I'm around strangers. My people
that know me know me right, no matter if you've
known me for a week or two or you known
me for twelve five years.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Do you have any stories where you were just out
random and a stranger like kind of hit you, like
make America great again? Like have you had anyone try
to just have a Republican conversation with you?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Oh? Absolutely, absolutely sorry. I don't have like the whole story,
but I do know that that there's been many times
that as a Democrat and proud to be one, proud
to please you. Yeah, I'll cry again and stop.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
But you ain't been out of the country.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
We can't be proud to be American right now. The
rest of the world is laughing at us.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
No, have you seen the parades that they have about us?
Know what happened? Wait? Wait, Jason, have you seen not
seen the parades in like Finland and Germany?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Wait about us?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
About Yeah, they've got Trump up there in a big
clown and they're making fun of us. Yes they are,
Yes they are. Please look it up. Look it up.
I'm going to try to go to one of those.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, that's probably fun. It's probably a good time.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, they're making fun of them. It's good, good time.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Now, I do want to lean into a little bit
more of why I brought up Florida while we were
bringing up Texas. I think that, mind you, I'm about
to be thirty five this year, y'all, bitch get served
mid thirties, and I actually am caring more about this shit.
I can't believe it. Like the way my mom used
to eat her coffee every morning and I made fucking
fun of her, I'd be like I can't, I can't

(39:46):
live without having a couple of coffee, Like we are
growing into our parents day by day.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
We hate it, not all the things, not all the ways.
But no, no, no, no, you've definitely got your own identity.
Yes they appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
But as we age, we're starting to understand why we
like to day party and not go to the club.
We are understanding why we have to make sessions at
Stretch Lab. Now it can't be out every day because
our joints, it kind of our hits are working a
little differently. We're now understanding why you choose one liquor

(40:18):
and stick with that shit the whole night, or else
it's gonna take you a couple days to recover. Right,
And I think in terms of these ways that we're
navigating aging, we're realizing truly what it means to be
a part of our political landscape. And so because my
mama is still live in Florida and I just spent
thirteen years in New York but just relocated to Georgia,

(40:40):
I was unaware that the Bible Belt and the South. Baby,
we're taking this shit back to when we had the
thirteen colonies. They operated one way everywhere else operated, the
baby below the Bible Belt and how the South operates.
It was a privilege to live in New York. It
is a privile to be in a blue state. It

(41:01):
is a privilege to be able to live out loud, sexually, politically, socially,
and in the South. Maybe the Church got a goddamn
hold on these motherfuckers in a way that is so
hypocritical and selectively ignorant it is scary. So I wanted
to talk about kind of federal versus state laws and

(41:24):
what Jason did because we do research over here and
where I be loud and wrong sometimes not on this podcast,
he leaned into some of the things that are happening
on a state level that I think y'all motherfuckers should
be concerned about, because we have to realize that the
same way Obama, the Bushes, Maybe not Trump, maybe not

(41:47):
Arnold Schwarzenegger, but majority of our politicians start off on
a local level, then they go up to state level,
and eventually they start campaigning at a.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Federal apprentice or they making you know what's a reality
show and then.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
You know hot This isn't a hot take, but this
is me being honest.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
With you.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
The Apprentice was one of the best reality shows. You
don't okay, don't add to it. I'm telling them that
I liked you. You ain't gonna add it. And this
celebrity of princess.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
But that's TV. That's TV, that's got reality. It's not
a fetter in my life.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
You're fired.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
A little more passion, please, You're fired.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
I'm trying to do it in his boy.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
You're fired.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
No, he didn't have that much. You're fired.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
You see. Oh wait, do that. I don't do that.
I am not replicating with Cheeto.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Kind kind of sounded like the cheat, but I just
did before he made it to the Cheeto. So I
want to talk a little bit about federal versus state. Traditionally,
Republicans chance state rights and less federal oversight until they're
in power, and then pretty much it's like, bitch, I'm
bringing this bill to the state. I mean to the
to the what is it, the House and the Senate,

(43:06):
the state, the Senate, state, the state, Senate, Congress, Congress. Boom, bitch, listen, y'all.
I went to Florida public school. Y'all go get what
y'all get out of me. Okay, But I am tied in.
I just don't know all the the jargon, right, So
I wanted to start a little bit because this is
not only happening in Texas. It's happening currently in Georgia,

(43:30):
and I believe it's happening in Florida if I'm not mistaken.
Are you familiar with the jerrymandering and redline redlining that's happening?

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Absolutely not. Okay, do you got me, Jason?

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Do you want to update with the research you've done
a little bit on what is happening where when we
talk about blue and red, what this even fucking means?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Hc Andrew.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
So, yeah, So redistricting and it's evil twin jerry mannering
tend to happen every ten years based off of census data,
but Texas has been doing it now it's five years. Yeah,
and they're doing it strategically for themselves ahead of the
midterm elections because Trump wants to pick up five more
seats or three more seats.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
So in so for people like, oh my god, I'm
not into politics, let me break this down in Layman's
terms or that's like they said, Jaspin Crockett won't be
in her own district.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
So this is they drew her out. Yeah, this is
what that means.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
And if you guys listen to decisions, decisions. I just
explained othello to y'all in a hood way, so because
Shakespeare is confusing, but I broke it down like in
a way that you would understand. So basically what it is, right,
y'all know, y'all know city limits, y'all know county limits.
Y'all know that when you look sometimes on your state maps,

(44:54):
there's all these lines breaking this shit down from city, county.
Now on a very misu in this skel local level,
you got people that represent those counties and states. So
let me break it down this way. Y'all know, black
people are upping themselves financially, so we're what they're doing.
Mind you. We also have gentrification happening, right, So we

(45:17):
have black people going into other areas of cities and
towns that may have never been able to access wealth
to live in those places, while we have white people
gentrifying communities and kicking people out. While what they're doing
where maybe most of those black communities black cities were blue,
they're drawing the line now to allow more red and

(45:40):
red into it, making it essentially purple. Really battling with
the fact that we're still battling the socioeconomic struggles from
the eighties and nineties of felons not being able to
register the vote, some people not being able to take
off work. So we know that black people aren't going
to the poles as much as the others, not only

(46:00):
on a federal space, but in the local space. So
what they're doing in front of our eyes, they're changing
those lines on the map. They're like, oh shit, there's
too many, too many blues over here. We need to
trickle in some reds so that there's hope to change
the local seats so that on a grander scale, this
can go ahead.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Jason, they want to change the federal seats, they're trying
to they're trying to tip the house.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
So they're trying to tip the house on a local
on a local level, and maybe it's happening right in
front of our faces. So what's crazy is for those
of y'all who live in Atlanta, me and my mama
was just talking and maybe because Atlanta is such a
big city, this I don't want to call you hoish,
I know, but this halfway was like George's George is blue, right,

(46:45):
I said, oh girl, oh girl, Atlanta is blue. But
the rest of the state of Georgia is very red.
And it's why if a bitch got pregnant today, she
got a you said, not not my mama, looking at
the closest bitch could go to for an abortion. Apparently
Virginia is the closest that someone could go to get
an abortion after six six weeks, right, and so with

(47:09):
reversal of Roe v. Wade, this is what I'm talking about.
Like there are states now, like look at the Bible Belt, y'all.
There are states sweeping the southern portion of this country,
even some in the Midwest where at six weeks you
can't get an abortion the state of Georgia. By the way,

(47:31):
if you guys don't know the case as well, the
baby was born prematurely.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
If you guys remember that we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
There, there was a woman that was brain dead, she
was a vegetable, she was pregnant, and at the time
she was only six weeks pregnant. Against her parents, against
her family's wishes, they chose to keep her alive. In
order to keep the baby alive, they did end up
finally giving birth to the child who is currently slated

(48:01):
to have survived, and the nick you I believe just
gave birth.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I just think though it's it's a it's just it's
so bad for women right now. By the way, look
at the women that have the babies with seizures. That
the one lady, the baby was having seizures in sight
of her every day, like there was nothing and they wouldn't.
I watched it. It was a documentary and it was
a whole bunch of women. Some of the babies had

(48:25):
no skulls, they didn't have legs there, they had no torsos,
and they would not let them abort. And now these women,
because of the complications associated with that, are sterile. They
can't even have children now. But if they could have
terminated that pregnancy in the early term, when they found
out that there were these anomalies, then they could have.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
By the way, this is also possibly if you're listening
to this episode on a speaker, Good riddance. Me and
my mom were having this kind of we had the
abortion talk in Florida at breakfast and then people started
sitting down and she was like, okay, okay, no, literally
myma was like, do you do you know where the

(49:08):
fuck you are? No, no, no, no, We're not having
any political conversations out in public.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
It's not happening.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
And yeah, it's crazy because these type of conversations need
to be had.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
But it's like, it's but this is what I'm saying
when I say there's a difference, you just don't know.
And unfortunately, in we have some family members that are
that are following red. I don't understand why they're looking
at it.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
By the way, this ain't even my white family, y'all.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, this is most of the white families. By the way,
I'm Jamaican.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
My half of my family's on Green cards and my
uncle got deported, Like this is this what he did?
This is like my technically immigrants side of my family
that is aligning with Trump or religious religious purposes, and
they do believe somehow that Trump is a man of God.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
And social the social conservatism.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Well, it's what i've it's what I've learned that I
was so unaware of it. I've been even trying to
lean this conversation more over on horrible decisions. I don't
think because my twenties took place in New York. I
was unaware of black conservatives in real life.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, I remember you said that.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
It is astounding their belief system. And it's almost like
they literally remove their skin color, they remove their heritage,
they remove everything because of Christian beliefs. As if the
masters on the plantation wasn't Christian. I'll be confused.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
I didn't want to lean into I don't want to
say just with Texas. I don't want to say just
with Florida because when we talk about policies bills that
are past that we think are.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
So stupid, because it's like, of course.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Of course this is from Florida.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Corporal punishment back in the schools.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Do y'all know? Oh wait, oh wait, hold on real
quick now, now we got to pause and stay in
Florida real quick, just real quick. My mom said that
there's a new what is this?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Is it being presented day to Florida. Is it passed?
It was passed, and they are opening corporal punishment for
school for kids in school. But of course the advocates
are saying, which I can guarantee you they're right, that
it is not great for young kids. I was paddled
frequently in school as I was a little bad body.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Okay, wait wait wait, so you're saying you're not aligned
with corporal punishment because we just got to talk a
couple of days ago, and yeah, I'm putting my mama
on blast and she was like, the problem with these
kids now they ain't getting asked whoof these kids eat?
They asses? Whoo, this is why they are Okay, By
the way, did you see this, Oh, I sent you
the TikTok trend where TikTok is now pushing for gentle

(51:57):
parenting and it's not until they cut they god damn
kid out that they understand what's happening. So are you
are you four beating your child or not?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Are you only the child? You don't think a principal
should beat the kids?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I mean what I mean? I think that coming from
the generation that I'm from. When I was in school
all the way through middle school, well junior high is
what it was then. If you misbehaved, if you did wrong,
if you you bend over, grab your ankles, and you
heard the paddle coming, not be over ground, I got yes,

(52:33):
Like the dean.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Would say, this this is turned into decisions, right.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, don't they really do and they would just get paddled.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, you get battled back to Florida.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
The parents can opt in to have their child paddled.
But I'm gonna tell you we didn't. If you look
at school when I went to school, we didn't. We
we didn't have the behaviors that we have. Now we're
not gonna do that these kids, these.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Days, millennials and your generation is full of uh lack
of empathy, need uh need therapy. Went through the crack epidemic,
drug epidemic, every drug epidemic because y'all had also the
seventies of love in life where y'all were smoking all
the weed.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Then you got to so we only had a small
circle that knew what anybody was doing. We only had
trying to get it. So now it's a problem that
everyone's not everybody sees everything like you can't even be
at the look at the videos they get at Walmart
and or they post that the person just showing their

(53:36):
ass or whatever over there, like oh my god, like
you can't do anything. I'm so glad we didn't have
video when I was growing up. So you are or
are I am?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Your have to You got so respect and you get
that by whooping some mass.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I'm not gonna say that because I really didn't y'all
like that.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I don't know if discipline is I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I think it's far beyond that. I don't think that
that's gonna be you don't answer. I don't think you're
gonna have corporal punishment at school and a parent opts
in for it, and then the kid gets is his
gets paddled that day and then expect and then the
mom expects him to come back home and be like, oh,
I'm gonna be better now.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
No.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
There, it's gonna be a lot of retaliation against that,
because why would you tell this man or woman whatever
the dean is, that you could hit me when you
It's it's confusing. Mmm.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I'm not gonna lie. I mean, what are your thoughts,
because Jason, you have you have, you have children, and
this isn't anything like being considered in in Jersey yet,
But what are your thoughts on corporal punishment and someone
else being able to discipline your child physically?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I mean I would say not of that, But I
also think that like the gentle parenting thing just does
not work. It does not like you know what, I
mean like it does not like my my my my,
my wife is always like you, you know, our daughter
acts a different with you than me, Like what's the difference.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
And I'm like, well, I spanked her when she was
younger and and you know what I mean, like and
it's it's I'm like being facetious.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
But there's also a point of like behavior has consequences
and like you've experienced that, whereas like gentle parenting, trying
to talk it out and all that, Like I get
the human like element of it, but there's just no
consequences taught and interest and if you fail and I
think if you fail in that, that's when you like
you're like, well maybe the school will help me, And
the school just can't help you.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
You have to beat you.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
You have to beat your own kids ass for them
to learn. It's like even when we're talking with Jay
Hill and ass, whooping.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Is a good lesson. That's a good way to learn
a lessons.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I would love to know y'all's thoughts on this, y'all
saying and as swooping is a good way, it is
a good.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Consequence, It's a good way to learn a lesson.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Interesting, Okay, all right? Well, I have no kids, so
I have no fucking sakenness.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And her cat's just violent. Yeah, I told you not to.
Well you need to beat your cat's ass.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah no, no, no, I'm afraid of that cats. Me
and him have an understanding. And that's why don't nobody
else need to come in thinking that they could talk.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
And what you're saying is what gentle parenting sounds like.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Ry AnyWho, I didn't want to bring I did want
to bring up this last point of local and federal
versus state. So things that y'all may not have known. Again,
Florida and Texas embarrassing? Are you not embarrassed? But Louisiana
actually they said me too. I want to update you guys,

(56:34):
if you're unfamiliar with. Louisiana recently adopted the same bill
first passed by Desantus, which is the Don't Say Gay Bill,
which bans K through twelve teachers from discussing genner or
sexual orientation. Other bill requires teachers to get parental parission
you ready to use a trans students preferred pronounce. Other
bills also ban the use of bathrooms that don't match

(56:56):
a person's sex assigned at birth, and one of the
most interesting things that I thought was most recent that
I don't even think Jason knew about. But I was like, yo,
nigga is shit crazy. Louisiana has joined a hand on
law including I think it was twenty twenty four that
they've asked us. Actually, yeah, Florida, California, Texas, Georgia, and

(57:17):
a few other.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Are Now there's a lot. There's like seventeen. There's like
seventeen states. I was surprised when I looked.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
At out are permitting the process for sexual offenders that
includes chemical hash stration. So this permits judges to order
surgical castration for those convicted of abrogate aggregated sex crimes,
including rape, incests and melisation of a child under thirteen
other states let offenders volunteer for the procedure to reduce

(57:45):
jail time, and the eleven states allow them to be
castrated chemically in exchange but also in exchange for lower
lower jail side. The Louisiana measure on the existing option
of chemical castration, which has been available since two thousand
and eight. However, it's really used. Chemical castration, by the way,

(58:09):
involves medication to reduce to sastral levels and lower sex drive.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Now, but a lot of people that commit those crimes
they're not doing it for the sexual pleasure.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
It's other pleasure.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
There's other pleasures they're getting, they're getting satisfied. Yes, it's
not just about in.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Which people don't understand, Like people are not graping, people
are not doing like exerting pedophilia onto children for a nut, right,
there's so many other psychological that even if you're castrated,
it's not going to change.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
The way that you feel.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
No, it's a lot of like the sexual crimes of
serial killers, a lot of the time there were so
many other components involved that didn't involve them ejaculating. And
so it's really interesting. And again that's why I say
to people all the time, sex is ninety percent physical,

(59:05):
is ten percent physical, ninety percent psychological. And I still
don't understand, like why we're not having more conversations around
what sex actually entailed.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Well, you know, in Bervard County, they just they released
one of the teachers because she used the kids preferred
name and the parent didn't give them permission, so she
was released. She was able to keep her Florida's teaching license.
But now Blevard County won't hire her back because she
called because like if it if it was Jennifer that

(59:37):
wanted to be called Jerry and she called them Jerry,
then that is Yeah, that is crazy. There's been a
lot of cases like that.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
That is crazy. Now, before we get out of here,
y'all know the hot Cheeto is doing all of the
things that I don't think that it makes sense in
the current climate for us to not talk about what's
happening in DC. It's already been over through the timelines
and there's nothing really new. We know that that nigga

(01:00:04):
is saying, forget about the ft and files. We're not
even gonna talk about that right now. I know he
is just saying, hey, guys, it don't exist right, just
laying whatever she in prison, but everything she what she's
in prison, Poe didn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
They added my name. They added my name to the list.
I don't even know what's happening. I don't even know
what's happening, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
But you guys should just forget.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
You gotta stay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I'm a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Don't it's a little too triggering. Don't do that. No, no, ma'am,
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I can't do accents.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I can't make people, and that's the last one you
need to be able to. Baster is a good one
that I'm like really getting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Oh my, hey, guys, just didn't happen, and I don't
know why you guys are paying so much attention Anyways,
all right, we're not gonna get into the e FSTEM files,
but we are going to talk about how they look.
He said, neither are they.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
But can we can we.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Wrap up here by talking about what the fuck in
the importance of what is happening in Washington, DC? Mom,
do you want to be here to give a synopsis
of what's happening because you've been in all the news
and we've been talking about it. Uh, Jason, I'm gonna
have you add to it, and then I'm gonna wrap
up whatever is forgotten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
What's happening in DC right now? A lot of shit period.
Backs here we go like that lot a lot of fuckery. Basically,
let's let's summarize now, we're just like we're removing homeless
people because they're homeless. But yet, as one of the
reporters said this morning, a one bedroom, one bath in

(01:01:36):
DC's twenty three hundred dollars a month. Yeah, how can
anybody afford to live? They and all of these companies,
all of these real estate companies, and this is a
nationwide problem and it is not just DC. But as
the Cheeto does wants to be fantabulous, We're gonna remove
all these people, and we're gonna build a golden ballroom
inside the White House. We're gonna change the Smithsonian. That's

(01:02:00):
nothing about authoritarians.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I mean, I mean to me, it's it's worth seeing
what Desantus was doing, right with with the Santus removing
critical race theory out of schools. It's really interesting. And
I don't know if y'all saw. Basically what Trump is
doing is going into the Smithsonian and making sure that
American history is written the way that he wants it
to be perceived, in the way that he believes it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
What No, that that can be Well, No, that's dictators No. Hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
When I say he's a k A Fidel Castro aka
Hitler a ka.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Like he's living in the thirties, He's literally living in
the thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
This is not what we but who y'all niggas voted
in not office? What what else do we want to
add to what's happening in DC?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
So I think for the DC stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
So there they had to declare a state of emergency
and so it's basically like they have to set up
a scenario, right, Like they have to kind of like
fill out paperwork to justify this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
And it's a temporary thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
And they can't use the stats because according to the stats,
crime is down, right, and so that's what that. Yeah,
and so and I'm glad you said that. So I
want to name some of the cities where crime is up,
because they said after d C, they want to try
to do this to New York and some Chicagoo other places.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
So no, it is girl Boston White. They are taking
to Boston. This is the majority urban cities exactly. And
this is the most the most dangerous cities in the US.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I'm still to name the time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I'm gonna I have the top thirty here, so I'm
just going to jump from names number one, Memphis, number two,
Cleveland number three, Toledo number nine, Beaumont, Texas, number thirteen, Nashville, Tennessee,
number seventeen, Salt Lake City, Utah. No, Wait, number Moreman
number twenty six, Baltimore, Maryland, number twenty eight, New Haven, Connecticut,

(01:03:53):
and Old thirty Lansing, Michigan. Not in this list New
York d C, Chicago, Los Angeles, Nonstow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Crazy and so basically one of the most interesting things
that he's done, and he did it about.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
A week ago.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I'm not sure if it's still standing at the time that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
We're about a week's episode ago.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
We sweak at home and our president is sweaking. He
recently pretty much turned put the federal police. He created
his own police department for Washington, d C. He's f
has their own police, but no, I'm going to bring
in the federal police to man the city, which mind

(01:04:37):
you take orders from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
You're talking about the guard because that was that that's
the Washington Guard. And what's crazy is, so we're gonna
get detainees and we're gonna get the homeless and ice
who are definitely the people that were in the insurrection
that we're all freed from jail. Is they have to
have their faces covered still. But now you've got FBI,

(01:04:59):
AH police and the and the military that have their
names on there on the front of their jackets. I mean,
if you're so concerned. I think they're just more concerned
about anybody finding out who the ice people really are.
I mean, I think it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
On August fourteenth, the New York Times headline that drops
said beds turn into beat cops under Trump's DC policing surge,
and I think that is the thing. Also, if you
have not yet, it was triggering to my mom and
so we couldn't finish it. Episode two of South Park
literally leans into the incentives that they are offering.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Fifty thousand dollars sign eighty thousand dollars a year and
for you to be and you can be a agent.
Oh wait, they lowered age to eighteen. Yeah, yeah, you
could be eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
And what what was you gonna add, Jason, I'm saying,
And it got They got big money because it was
a beautiful bill.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
It is funded.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
We just talked about the rising price of rents and
how difficult it is to make a living, even just
talking to my sister.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Even me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
I graduated with two bachelor's degrees and my starting salary
as an accountant in New York City with sixty two
thousand dollars. So if you're telling me there's a fifty
thousand dollars signing bonus and an eighty thousand dollars salary
to come and get. Mind you, if you are a
white who or a Puerto Rican or a Cuban let's
add the latinas in there, who was raised with actually
thinking that black and brown individuals are creating some sort

(01:06:33):
of harm to your autonomy as an American or your
ability to get jobs, and you want to rid them
of the country. You're gonna take this high paying job,
live a nice way, and feel like you're doing something
for the fucking country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Well you know what, though, the reason that there's so
many openings is because the ICE agents that started were
told they were going to go in to get criminals,
and they were going to get the bad guys out,
And now they're pulling children in these and kindergarten classes
and everywhere else. And morally, there's I don't want to
do this, you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Know, it's crazy though, morally, and it's what I say
is why I don't believe in world peace.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
We have so many people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
We see them every day in our goddamn lives, whether
it's our coworkers, our family members, god damn even us
like you have so many people that unfortunately don't really
give a fuck about other people, don't care about breaking
up other homes. They only care about shootings and killings
when it impacts their family, not when it impacts other people.
And we do live in a capitalistic society, where again,

(01:07:30):
what are we leaning on that fifty thousand dollars signing
bonus and that eighty thousand dollars salary, And so for
a lot of people, there's a price. Yeah, they have
a price. I don't know, y'all listening what your price
would be to become an ice agent? Trump it in
the comments below. I'd love to know, But I'm curious,
and this might be a conversation I have with my friends.

(01:07:51):
Like now that we know that there's these concentration camps
that are being set up, we also know that Trump
don't give a fuck what country they send the people to.
It's really interesting to me what the price is on
humanity for people to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Is that humane? But you don't even say that's humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
That's not humanity is the fact that humans live in
live in this individualistic bubble where what is humane to people?

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Is it having a Because we talk about this even
with entrepreneurs, right is it? The billionaire ceo giving people
wages to live is humanity like living in and mind you,
we also understand like we operate differently than the rest
of the world. It's why America is the best place
to live, right. We think that how they operate in

(01:08:38):
other countries is not humane or right. However, if you
go to other countries, guess what they fear their fucking government,
So consequences look different. When I lived in Singapore, I
remember my first tour around the city. They were like, hey, guys,
you don't even have to lock your doors here. Crime
is so low you ain't got to worry about shit
happening to you. It's because maybe you're you're fining ten
thousand dollars for chewing gum on the subway because they

(01:09:00):
believe in keeping the city clean. Imagine if there was
a fine for littering here the way that it is
in other countries. Imagine if people were actually so scared
of going to jail that jail was a consequence. I
said in the last last week's episode, jail ain't even
jail ain't even much of a consequence for a.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Lot of people anymore. But I'm gonna say too is
the fact that when when it comes to consequences, it's
crazy you say that because at my job and we
have an adolescent psychiatric And that's the whole thing is like,
I feel like this generation coming up wants wants consequences,
They want to be held accountable, but we don't do
that because of the because already said the gentle Oh,

(01:09:39):
you can't yell at them. That's not no. You have
to have some control. You don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
They might feel like they're literally are none.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Right, But if you don't control your kids and you
don't show them an authoritarian figure not and I'm not
saying dictator none. But when they get into the real world,
they'll respect their boss. Oh, if they'll understand it generational.
Oh no, this was coming at seven thirty quarter to
eight and it starts at seven, and they'd be like, oh,

(01:10:06):
walking in with a Starbucks cup, like you know, you
don't know the person want to go home that is
supposed to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
The way that I would probably lay hands on these
little gen zers that don't respect time, clopping in on time,
doing their job. It's a little christy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
This girl on one situation about it one situation on
my job. This girl mmmmm. She came up and she
she probably like twenty one twenty two. It was three
point fifteen and her shift ended at three. Well, will
you effectively have it until three point thirty because you
know you have to give report and all that stuff.
She came to the desk, tapped it and said, it's

(01:10:47):
three o'clock and my shift is over, and you need
to call the supervisor or the staffer because I'm leavy
now period. I was like, I just looked at her,
like I will slept the taste up your damn mouth.
Hell do you think you're talking to? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Only getting paid till three o'clock? Your job's wrong as
fuck for.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
No thirty seven to three thirty and you get Patriot
eight hours because you get that thirty minute lunch. So
if you want your time, you stay till three thirty.
But yeah, the way that she came at me, I
think I I think I twisted a little bit because
it was starting. She had a little big girl too,
so you know I was already like you like one
of my kids, I will slap you. Maybe it's a

(01:11:31):
different generations.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Think it's interesting how people are showing up but to
know that now we have a fellon in the office.
It's so crazy because now people don't think even their
consequences will will have long standing effects on anything. Like
to know that being a felon kind of meant you
couldn't get certain jobs, you can't be in certain rooms,
you couldn't do certain things. No, our president now was
able to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
They don't knowledge, don't they don't acknowledge you like that.
I think that there should be a class action suit
by someone and people don't tell them to because we
could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Okay, wait, no, now class action suit for what y'all
could join everyone listening to SELECTI big nerds for doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
This for like felons, like non violent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Felons should all fall together, we should we should be here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Well, honestly, you know my personal thing is the is
the compact licensing board for nurses. I had a situation
when I was raising you. I had a situation when
I was raising you. Yes, I did end up. No,
I was not of a adjudicated with hell. But regardless
you're you're penalizing me and saying I can't get a

(01:12:35):
compact nursing license to work around the country, but I
can get a license in every state and just pay
that fee because of that charge. That should not be
You should not if you've had a non violent crime,
non drug crime, one that doesn't bar you from working
in the medical field, you should not have to that.
They they should, the NLAC should just cancel it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
And I'll be honest with you, like I think for
a lot of people with two thousand and three, especially
like drug and non felonies, I think should be able
to get back into society without all of the stigma placed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
On them as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
The whole point is rehabilitation, right, Like the whole point
is positions not not not just like punitive punishments.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
We need to if they do their time, they should
be able to then come out. And especially y'all know
I said again non violent because y'all know the views
on some on some ships, certain currents. I don't think
I should get them. Nigga should stay in there and rot.
And Hill, I don't give up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Fuck. We had that conversation when you were talking to
Jay Hill I'm talking about he thinks that they should
stay in for uh punishment. But the thing is it's
cheaper to keep them than it is to kill them.
Because there's more and more money.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
They get more money coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
To keep them as well to keep them because they
get paid by the body every day. But but the
thing is, the legal fees that are incurred in somebody
on death row is like ten times more than to
house them for life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
And we need to switch that. Yeah, I agree, but
also I doubt they do it because again, we are
in a capitalistic society. Now, guys, I love that y'all
get to join me. If y'all listen to me on
my other pods, y'all are like, whoa this bitch know
some things?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I'm shot just not science? All right, all right, all right,
word is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Y'all cannot find my mom anywhere. I cannot listen to
her anywhere. Thank you guys for tuning in. My last
thoughts on this entire topic is luckily this is giving
reality TV now. So politics is way more interesting than
we used to think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
What I implore you to do is find a way
to get your political intake, either on a daily or weekly.
I say this all the time. One of my favorite people,
two of my favorite people. Actually, if you can stand
listening to women, which I believe you can, cause you're
listening to me right now. I love they do politics
per usual over on around the way curls Antinette lives

(01:15:02):
ease and breaths lives eats and breathes politics, and she
does it in a way that breaks it down. She's
really into educating us on what's really happening over there
in Gaza. She is big on flaming the hot cheeto
that we have in office, and she just really is
able to break down what's happening politically in a way

(01:15:23):
that's digestible. Another person that I recommend who I just
love hearing him talk because it's like, ooh, yes, black man,
do it is Van Lathan. You guys can listen to him,
I believe twice a week on Higher Learning. Those are
two of my favorite shows that I listen to and
I get a lot of my political in the take
and it leads me to do further research on it.
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Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
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