Ep. 28 | Can We All Form Our Own Opinions feat. Ish and Barry - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peace of the plant. Charlamagnea god here.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Before we get into today's episode, we've got to celebrate
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five years of powerful voices, unforgettable moments in a community
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the power of the platform.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Now let's get into it. Hey, guys, welcome to another
episode of Selective Ignorance. However, before we get to this
week's episode, I want to remind you, guys to purchase
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get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This
is Mandy be Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of
the Black Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio. Welcome back

(01:00):
to Selective ignorance with your girl me Mandy B. And
this week we are joined by the two people that
y'all heard last week, and we are here to break
down all the things diving into who are we really?
We're gonna get into parasocial relationships, but also the lack
of comprehension in the ways in which people seemingly don't

(01:24):
seem to think for themselves anymore, whether they are regurgitating
information that they are seeing on the Twitter timeline, or
bringing their thoughts and views from their parenting, their upbringing,
all the things they're bringing into their real life because
for whatever reason, people don't feel like they want to
have opinions of their own. They don't want to go
against the grain, and unfortunately it is causing us to

(01:48):
live in the echo chamber in which we live in.
And it's also why maybe some of you don't like
my thoughts and views on many things. I refuse to
live in an echo chamber. I believe in diving into
the things that I don't believe in, and I also
believe in questioning everything religion, science, and things that we
are supposed to perceive as facts. Oftentimes I want to

(02:09):
question it because where are we getting this information from
and I think that's very important. What I also think
is important is the ability to hold conversation and discourse
with people who think differently than us, allow the person
to finish their thoughts, allow the person to explain why
they believe what they believe, and allow us all to
agree to disagree, which ironically was going to be the

(02:31):
name of this podcast, but I didn't go with it.
I've joined as always with my super producer, A Kym
Jason is away. Listen we answer it, AK, well, shut up,
this is crazy. Here we go, Here we go, y'all.

(02:54):
We have Issuho is not very much a professional podcaster.
Somehow someone's just put a mic in front of his
mouth for the last three years, and now he's a podcaster. Y'all.
We have ish. We got ish from the Joe Budden podcast,
joining as well as Barry Food Today is in four K,

(03:18):
but I call him five K Barry, and we're here
to share our thoughts and views. Now Barry has been
able to listen. He has been a consumer of podcasts
for not as many years as he's been alive, because boy,
podcasts weren't there back in his old day. And then
we have ish who has been able to see see
what this can be as someone who shares his experiences

(03:42):
live and on a mic, who now has the lens
of his life his opinions on a full scale scope
where people can also be like. I hate everything he says.
I hate his laugh, I hate what he wears on
some Kendrick shit. I hate you know what I mean?
And me, y'all know, I'm a woman who ever one
has hated hearing. Because people I just don't think want

(04:02):
women to have opinions. I mean not to lean into that,
but you know, I mean to be fair, to be
fair this podcast to me starting it was because and
shout out to Ray Daniels, he said some shit investments
that I've heavily leaned into. It's why I started the
podcast I no longer have anymore. But also this podcast,

(04:24):
I think most people assume that women can just talk
about dating relationships. No, no, And I don't think many
people see women who have a full scale scope of
opinions on a broad range of things. Me I do.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Let me ask you a question at them, Do you
think society has made you guys dumb down?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I think that based on where we've been from the
landscape of the patriarchy in terms of the positions where
we've been able to hold even over I would say
the last thirty to forty years, right, like I say
it all the time. We were able to have our
first bank account in nineteen seventy four. My mom was
born before that, so to know that her mom couldn't have,

(05:07):
like you know what I mean, we're still so so
closely to the space where women were just reproductive beings
and household I think that ye subject to go crazy, no, no, no, no,
to be to.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
No, I do so.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I think that because women weren't voices in society for
so long, from a political landscape, from even entertainment scale,
look at all nighttime television still too mostly men in
terms of high level careers, voices, powerful voices were always men,
and so I white men specifically, And so to me, yes,

(05:52):
being a black woman with a voice, with an opinionated
voice that kind of goes against the grain and refuses
to just allow people to tell me what I'm saying,
you know, doesn't align with societies points and views on
how I should exist. Yeah, I feel like, No, I
feel like it's been hard for women to have a voice,
a strong a strong boy, a strong opinion. And we'll
get into it later, but it's maybe why people have

(06:15):
their views on someone like in a Man of Seals,
like a Candice Owens. I think that we're not supposed
to have those strong narratives loud aloud.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
I agree with you from a from a societal perspective,
I would agree with you.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I think that I tell you and you know I'll
tell you the truth.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
You tell me your opinion. I don't know if it's
the truth.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
You tell me, you can tell this is the truth.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
These are conversations that you and I have had off
off horrible, Yes, you have horrible And I'm like, yo, dog,
you need to start because you know, you and I
will start talking about banking, We'll start talking about finance,
We'll talk about a wide array of things off mic
and I'm like, Doug, you need to show the world
that side of yourself. So that's what you talked about
with Ray. Ray's like, yo, do you need to be

(07:01):
more than just a girl that knows how to talk
about X.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think it becomes a little frustrating for me right
now to also have to fight against all the people
that still don't want to hear women speak on those things,
and so, like, from a mental scope, and we've talked
about this too, from a mental scope, when you get
on this mic and you share your opinions, you're at

(07:26):
the mercy of people criticizing your opinion, criticizing you as
a person, and then questioning your character. And so when
I'm perceived to be one way, I think it becomes
the mental gymnastics, which I talked to Barry quite a
lot about, because sometimes it's hard to get away from
those comments. It's hard to see people's thoughts and views
on you when you mean well, but people don't believe

(07:48):
you mean well. And we talked about this last week.
With your thoughts on the reparations take, it just becomes
difficult to be kind of a pioneer. Essentially, it becomes
difficult to be the person that's going to be like, oh, actually,
I do want to hear more women speak like this.
I do want And right now I feel like we're
at that scope where or we're at that space where

(08:08):
women are doing it, and there's a lot of pushback
about women having these voices. I mean I saw it
even politically with AOC in New York, a lot of
people not wanting to have a younger woman of color
in a political chair. Like right now, there is a
lot of pushback around opinionated women of color, specifically that

(08:30):
I think a lot of us are pushing the barriers
for right now.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Let me give you, let me ask you a question
because I can't speak from it because I can't see
it through your lens, right, Okay, do you think.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
And this is one of the things that I think we.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Sometimes it's a crutch, okay, because somebody with your opinions,
your views, your everything as a man might receive the
same exact criticism. Criticism don't necessarily come as a result
of your gender, but maybe as a result of your content, Okay, right, Okay,

(09:06):
So I think it's easy to say, Yo, they're only
doing that because I'm a woman. Right, That's one of
my arguments, y'all know where I stand sometimes with some
of the black stuff, like yo, fam, Oh, they only
treat me that way because I'm black. Right, that may
be the case, but it might not be the case.
So I don't like to lean on that as a crutch.
I think that an fam I'm not a white man.

(09:27):
Joe Buden is not a white man. Charlemagne is not
a white man. I mean a black woman. I'm sorry
they get critiqued. We get critique just as much. So
it's not a gender thing. Sometimes it's a content thing
or your opinions that are going to be criticized by
the masses.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I get that. I still just think that we we
as a society all the things are used to hearing men.
We're used to hearing men have these and standing on
their like we're you bury you out face with the
people not watching it on YouTube, your face is like.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
We talk about this all the time, and the challenge
is we get more sensitive about people critiquing us that
look like us, that are moments okay, And because we
talk a lot of times, you know everybody, you always
talk this, I'm the villain. I'm the villain. They think
I'm the villain ninety percent of the time when you
talk about them, or you even go to the post.

(10:21):
You're responding to black women's post. I'm assuming it's similar
on the Joe Budden. It's fellas. You're hearing fellas that
you would think you are speaking for or allanan for
being the voice for who are pushing back on you.
So like, what, dude, where you live, How you don't
relate to what I'm saying. How don't you hear me
saying it? And you be like, okay, I'm situting, then

(10:41):
why are you shooting at me? And we don't even
get to talk that much. And I just think that's it.
I don't think neither one of you are listening to
White Jimmy from Nashville and it's like, oh yeah, I
can't sleep tonight because somebody said, it's not bothering me.
It's the guy that talk to you that's gonna be
in the same barbershop.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
As for me, it's not so much to criticism, it's
how you critique, right. I've literally yesterday a girl came
up to me like ish Portia.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I never.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I never met her in person. We be going at
it sometimes on online good quality conversation weaken to your point.
You can disagree with somebody and still engage in a
way that is dope.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I mean to be fair. That's that's why this podcast
to me, I enjoy it. I like to have discourse,
but healthy discourse, And so I think that that's my problem.
I know, we talk about comprehension. We talk about where
people stand in their opinions, even online. I think a
lot of my problem with conversations comes to your response

(11:55):
in not agreeing with me comes as an insult. So
when you talk about critiquing, you could just say, yo,
I completely disagree with everything you said. Here's my thoughts. Abuse. No, Instead,
it's you're a whore and you're never gonna no one's
ever gonna want to be with you. I think that
we don't have the ability, and when I say we
right now as a society, we want to label people things.
We want to call them out of their names if

(12:15):
that we don't agree with them, instead of actually sitting
in a space of understanding. Which is why I know
everyone says, oh my god, take away the podcast mikes.
My friends laugh at me. It's why I enjoy hearing
people talk. There's nothing better than hearing I yell when
I listen to the JVP. I hate everything that y'all say.
Ninety nine percent of the time, y'all sound crazy, but
I enjoy hearing because all of your don't fix your face,

(12:38):
ish ish, fix your face.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
No.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
You know I'll call you sometimes and be like, yo,
you should have got this out, Like, I'm mad that
you didn't take the conversation here because I feel like
it would have allowed for a broader conversation. I enjoy
hearing people disagree. Unfortunately, people who want to consume content
when they hear something they don't like, it's now I
want to attack this person. I want to remove their
ability to speak. I want to remove microphones from podcasters.

(13:03):
And it's like, nigga, did we not enjoy the First Amendment?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
But it's two things. One the people that insult you,
this is my tape.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Here we go.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
They really don't have the ability to.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Spar with you.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Facts.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
If you had the ability to spar with me, you
don't got to insult me. One of my one of
my homeboys from Baltimore. Look, Wesley Hawkins, dope dude from Baltimore,
wrote a book, My Man.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
We met again based on a disagreement.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
What did y'all disagree on?

Speaker 4 (13:35):
I forgot it was something. It was something black issue.
He's from Baltimore, from the hood. Okay, we just start.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Kicking, he said, Yeah, y'all don't need no money over there.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
No, we just start times, right, No, so look, we
start kicking. I'm like, Yo, my nigga, we we we
we texted too much, sent me his number. We start
kicking it. That's my now to again. He got a
nonprofit doing great things in Baltimore, and based on our

(14:05):
ability to have a conversation, which which started from a disagreement,
we've reached a place where that's my man, Like, Yo,
you need some help.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Whatever you're doing, hit me up. Your nonprofit is moving.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Out, Extend whatever resources I can to you, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's fire.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
But as somebody don't possess the ability in which to
jump in and box with you, all they gonna do
is throw bottles from the arena, you know what I mean?
Like they don't so oh you know what I mean?
Times I told people both of my parents are black,
like that.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Because your mama white?

Speaker 5 (14:40):
You mother.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
White? Boy? You you just doing that because your mama white.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
And it's like, yo, fam, No, I think like this
because I think like this and I have the ability
to be objective. I think objective thoughts are missing in
the space.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
How did you think that we got to the and
I love that we're going to dissect this. How do
you think we how do you think you think social
media is the is where we lost the ability to
be objective.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
No, but where do you think I'll go? Social media first,
because it became easier. You got too much access, people
shared too easy.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
You believe too much access, too.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Much access you could you can share information. Book schools
even have conversations, even have I've been listening to podcasts
for the longest of times, but it's you're a sports fan,
name the sports show. Now there's a thousand of them
that you actually get informed about sports.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
M I think that's a different conversation, I think, and
I think they start with that in mind, right, and
then I think, hold on, I think they start with
that intent right, that we're going to come up here.
We're going to discuss sports from a different angle. Some
of us are anchored by somebody that played okay, so
they can bring their real life sports experience is to

(16:01):
a platform to inform the masses of shit that goes
on one And I think that this is now a
money generating vehicle.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
And when the money generating.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Via you lean into what's entertaining gets into play. Now
we have to go with what is pushing the engine, right.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
So that's when you stop learning, and that's the part
that I'm saying, I love to learn. I love the
same way you were talking about intelligent conversations. If you
want to you I know you have a daughter, but
if you have like even a daughter who was coming
up with sports and you want to teach or whatever,
there's none of them, even with NFL Hall of Famous,

(16:40):
Basketball Hall of Famers that you can say, following them,
you'll learn a lot about this.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
So you know what, I think that gonna sell.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
But not only that, but I think that that's the
problem with maybe possibly objectivity. Right now, you just leaned
into podcasts or platforms where you could be informed. Nigga,
pick up a book, nigga go to go to go
to a class that teaches you things. I think that's
the problem with objectivity. Right we're learning those opinions lazily.

(17:07):
We're learning through opinions, and we're learning through our fees.
So mind you, the feat is tailored towards your algorithm.
So if you're somebody who thinks a certain way or
is interested in certain things, those are literally going to
be the only things fed to you. But but so
I think I think the problem with with people being
objective is that we actually are creating these ecosystems of

(17:31):
echo chambers, back to that subjectivity of of of where
you lean. So when you see enough people in this
echo chamber agreeing with you or or has the same thoughts,
abuses you. As soon as someone else thinks something different
or that lands on your this person is this, this
person is that, And so unfortunately, we are learning and

(17:53):
we're obtaining information via an algorithm that is catered specifically.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
To us thoughts.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
And our thoughts. So the the the place in which
we can get to where we're able to sit and
allow people the ability to disagree with you and for
you to listen to them, gets removed.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Can y'all tell when y'all are in the echo chamber
and when somebody's giving you fresh clear thoughts? I just
think there's less of them.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
My question is what makes you think that way? And
when you ask someone so to me, when I when
I sat on a platform right, A lot of my thoughts,
views and opinions come from my experiences. And so if
someone asks me why I feel a way about X,
y Z, I say, well, this took place, this is where,
this is the environment I was in, this is what

(18:42):
I experienced and this is what I took from it.
That's why I have this opinion. A lot of times
right now when you ask someone why they think of
something or where they got to that conclusion, it's it's
it's a lot of it's a they don't know how
to and it's because they've run enough tweets to where
they're like, oh, let me remember, it's not their thoughts.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
They using that AI to go straight to the email.
They not even reading it.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Not even the AI straight to the email. It's again,
when you're getting your news not from a news broadcaster
that is on location at the scene, When you're getting
your news from a fucking infographic with big letters and
a nice picture, or you're getting your news from tweets
of people that have the same thoughts of you, You're
you're gonna remember those things, so you're gonna regurgitate those words.

(19:25):
You're not actually sitting with how you formed an opinion
on said topic.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
And that's why I don't think is I don't think
the Internet is the blame. I think the Internet has
been a powerful, powerful tool that magnified it.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
But I don't think the Internet is the blame.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Because pre Internet, our parents got their information from the
news cool. Our parents might have gotten information from.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
From the National Inquirer.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
I remember having the Britanna cassette in my house. We
know you you at the sources like my mom, only
about two at a time, like we got the A
through j come in into two months.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
What I'm saying is but, and this is where I
disagree with you with regards to too much access of information,
because the information was being pigeonholed to us based on
whatever this powerful white person's narrative, how they wanted to
spend it. They fed it to us and we had
to accept it because we didn't have any other outlets

(20:26):
for information to come to us.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
But this is where it's a thin line. Because I'm
a podcast. I follow you both follow facts, Joe, thank you.
I put mine in that. But I know something happens

(20:49):
on Monday, depending on the recording schedule. Over you all
by the time is next Monday. I've heard that opinion
and we are in it. You all'll have are smart.
I mean, I know people have feelings about man in
different ways. You will testify business minded focused content creator
does all those things well? You industry and construction, different

(21:11):
things You're clearly well read, and it's not that it's
well traveled.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
He goes to con Wow, I love it.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Just to steal a turn from you all. I think
we're stuck in content over everything. I think there's so
many chances, and it doesn't have to be ninety percent
of your time. It doesn't have to be eighty percent,
it doesn't have to be fifty to fifty. But there's
been so many times, in so many moments, with your reach,
you could add to our community a little bit more,
and you do it from times to time, both of you.

(21:42):
I think you could do it more.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
You can't. It's you. I can't say you can't.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
But when I go back to your sports thing, right,
and this is what this is something that Joe had
to teach me when I first came on the show,
I'm like, like, you know, we used to have to
bring topics on the board, bring a whole bunch of
serious topics because me, I was probably forty five forty six.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Then these are the things that may be hard.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
You're an idiot, yo, These are the things that these
are the things that were important to me. Right, So
I know we have this wide diverse group of listeners,
So I'm gonna assume that the forty something year rodemic demo,
the upper thirty demo, would be interested in these things.

(22:30):
And Joe's stance is dog, that's fly, that's good shit.
But our job is to entertain first and educate maybe second.
This is not a podcast. This is not a podcast
where education is the primary focus. And for you to say, like, yo,
if you watch a sports pod, they're not teaching. You

(22:53):
might not be on in a year if you take
the teaching route, because you're gonna get canceled because your
raims might be shitty. So I'm not going to now
not be able to feed my family. And and it
served no purpose because I'm not even on the radio anymore.
I'm not I don't have my pot anymore because they've
canceled my ship because the ratings weren't good. So let
me lean now into some of the funnier storiesons to

(23:15):
some of the other shit, and get in some teaching
where I can.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I think that's the other thing too. I think people
are content with with not learning anything new, like people,
and back to our ignorance. You can you can what
if you know better, you'll do better. Some people don't
want to know better they are content with where they're at,
and so leaning into him. When I first started Full
Court Pumps, it was a blog that I genuinely wanted

(23:40):
to highlight what athletes were doing off the court. They're organizations,
they're nonprofits, they're the things that I saw was done.
I had a whole sports blog, so I was I
was credentialed pumps. Shut the fuck up. No, it wasn't
the other pumps. It was sports. I hate you like.
I was big and heavy into like I grew up sports,
my whole wall, growing up with Slam Magazine, East Bay,

(24:02):
like all the things. And so when I got there,
I was like, Yo, these these dudes are doing so
many dope things. Let me highlight that. Let me interview
and see who they are. People only cared about who
they were dating, who they were sleeping with, the scandals,
And what I realized early on, even as someone who
wanted to lean into journalism, was people don't care about
the good shit. They want the mess. And so when

(24:23):
we talk, even on podcasts, it comes to even selecting
topics where okay, that again, that's what this podcast is about,
diving into the outrage and discourse around certain things that
social media finds entertaining, and unfortunately it's not always about
what's really happening in Gaza. It's not always what's really
happening on a political state and what's impacting us in

(24:45):
text codes, and you gotta go to the mess.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
We just talked about invest Fest literally last week. And
when we're talking about invest fast your dog, we can
be giving you the information.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
That you say you want, that you say you want.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
You say you want this information and now we've given
it to you, or we might have get given you
a starting point.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
So if you were really sincere about bettering your life,
you could take the information that we gave you, do
a little bit more research yourself and come up with
a positive result and outcome with with with the algorithmic stuff. Dog,
Your algorithm, to your point is gonna feed you.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
That's why we still got racist to date.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
But algorithm you by going to what you want? Are you?
Are you want what you want? You only look what's on.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Your home No, no, no, your homepage is based on
the ship that you that you that you stay.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
And if you stay on yep.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
My home A few things in my homepage. It's some
financial fee what else is on that. It's some ass,
it's some financial ship, it's some ship about parenting, it's
some ship about sports.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
If I wanted to go to all NASA aeronautical ship,
it's gonna feed me rocket ships, it's gonna feed me
space travel.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's gonna feed me all of these things. Twenty four
to seven.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
If you they even now have a thing to say,
are you interested in this type of content?

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yes, y'all at the bottom, so that its.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yes, it's gonna give you more of what you want.
So if you want more of the real educational content, it'll.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Give it me.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Not not only educational. Let's go back to opinions and
people being able to form their own. People do not
like to be fed things that go against their beliefs,
Like there's something about having conversations with people like like again,
in your mind, you go straight to this to insult.
This person is either dumber than me. I don't want
to hear nothing they have to say. This person doesn't

(26:41):
have my experience. I hate that they're even being platformed.
It immediately goes into people being upset that someone has
a different opinion. So there becomes a way where these
types of conversations aren't allowed. It's funny because I sat
with you know, let me ask you all this question
because it was interesting. I sat with Jay Hill a
couple of weeks ago, had a very very very hit

(27:02):
a hot take. I said, He's like, you know, I
just like to sit with people that I know I
disagree with. And so I said, what three people would
you like to have joined you on your podcast? And
the three people he said, And it was very interesting
because he also didn't have any conversations he would want
to have with him, which was weird. But he said
he would want to sit with R Kelly, Trump and
Kanye and I immediately was like, I was like, oh

(27:26):
you would, you would platform them a little tricky, but
then I I didn't make a face at first, and
then I was like, Okay, well, what conversations because I
know you don't agree with everything they've done, right, what
questions would you want to ask them? And it was
very interesting because he didn't really have any He would
have just allowed them to have free flowing conversation and to.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
Mesation being in the moment too.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I think to me, lens leads again to where I
think people aren't comfortable with how they would engage in
someone that they disagree with.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I think that was off the cuff response shout to
Jay Hill. I think that if Jay Hill that Donald
Trump was coming to the show, he would prep for
it and he would have he would have questions. Maybe
in your interview, again off the cuff, and you asked
him what specific questions would you ask these gentlemen?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
He might not have had anything.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
But see, but see here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
He's a professional. He would have had to.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I get a professional, right. I don't know the guests.
You told me that's coming on the JBP stone maybe
the episode already you told me someone was coming on
the pod, and immediately I knew something they did that
I didn't agree with. And I was like, ooh, I
want to bring up while they did.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
What. I don't even know what she's talking about, but.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, I mean what I don't know, but what guess
was it you said is coming on? And I immediately
knew something. Something immediately came to my head on something
that they've done publicly that I just.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
You're behind the scenes person you know more about.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
No, this is something that was public so to me,
even like immediately I answered the question I threw him
like I joy disagreeing with people and being able to
have that dialogue right, So immediately I would ask, and
I said, there by the way real quick, just because
now I want to throw it out there. Do y'all
have questions that y'all would ask those three men off

(29:12):
off the cuff.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I'm sure I could come up with a laundry list
of ship that I would ask all three of them.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
But based on not agreeing though with.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Curiosity. That's the basis of any good conversation.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Great conversations are open to objectivity. So on our show,
everybody say, I'm a Drake stand I don't even know
a lot of Drake's music.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Nick, I know a lot of Drake.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
You don't. You go to see here say you don't
know a lot of Drake music.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Don't we have Joe up there, we have Ice up there,
we have Parks up there. Them niggas know way more
Drake shit than me, probably times twenty.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I know the commercial Drake ship and a little other
the five Am at Montreal.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Or six number one for so long you're gonna know.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
But I don't know the in depth Drake music. Be
sides and all that ship like them, I don't. What
I try to open up to is an objective point
of view. Where can you possibly see where this man
is coming from? Can you understand possibly why he's carrying
on in a manner in which he's carrying on?

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well, that's what I'm saying. Objectivity is lost now, yo,
you fucking dick sucking.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Chance up.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
That's what I get every day.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
So what I'm saying is when when when when I'm
talking to somebody about Amanda Sells, when she was talking
to these people, you could tell some of them, number one,
were too young to even have experienced these things. So
all they were doing was taken in their algorithmic information

(30:45):
keep coming through you because that's the ship that you
are liking or hitting the like button on, right, and
they were just regurgitating that fact. So clearly, objectivity to
me makes you way more informed and way more educated.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yes, but I want to bring something up because it's
something that I think both of y'all have checked me
on before. In terms of receiving, delivery and discourse. I
think there's an emotional thing to it where then we
get into tone and someone could be saying some really
good things someone could be delivering it passionately. I know

(31:22):
that Carla leaned into her passionate it comes. There's also
a point where we don't listen to people wants. Tone
and delivery impacts us on an emotion. What because I'll
be honest with you too. There are things okay, so,
and we kind of talked about this, the ability for

(31:43):
people to change right and where we like to place them.
There are certain conversations I don't want to hear certain
people have because of things that I know they've done.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's not fair.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Why is that not fair?

Speaker 4 (31:56):
It's like somebody saying, Yo, you can't be a relationship
counselor if you had three feil marriages life experience, who
better to tell you where you fucked up on relationships.
I don't want to learn business from the person that
got it right on the first try. I don't I
want to learn business from the nigga that bumped their
head seven thousand times.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
And they have way more They have way.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
More skin in the game than somebody that just got
it right on the first go, like they know the
pitfall when I try to mentor people in the real
estate arena, I've told you this fam, I'll hold your
hand and walk you through it, and I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Don't do that, right, don't. It's not you know, we do.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
We think we're smarter than the mentor, and we'll be like,
he couldn't do it, let me do it. So I
think that when we take information from people that might
have failed in these areas, I think they may be
the most or have the most profound.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Advice.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
So this is where the struggle is. This is what
the balance is, because I'm into different people in different
arena especially I stuff just share. If the problem comes
when you want them to do it exactly what you said,
the problem comes when you want them to salute you,
kiss your ass because you gave them a little bit
of information. Not that anyone's done that, but that's what

(33:09):
it is. It's like you're not just giving information freely.
Just we talked about the best fast, just give it,
give it out, don't always charge for it. I understand
if your business model is. But there's so many young
kids I was talking to. I do photography. I have
my camera around and no less than twenty five young
gins they were doing the big had better cameras than me.
Walked up how we do this, how you do this? Like, oh,

(33:32):
so you're shooting it for free? You're doing this on
your business? Did you buy your camera gear through your business?
Because you're hopefully you're writing this all off. Hopefully you
came here not just as yourself but as yeah, and
you're writing this down and you're keeping your receipts. Oh man.
Now they don't have to do nothing more than that.
They can give me a pound and walk away and
we're good. It's when you gotta you see how you

(33:55):
start poking your chests out. Let me tell you, bruh,
it's a community.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's just share. And that's what sincerity comes in. If
you're sincere about trying.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
To map people, and that's the thing people aren't.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I know, if you're sincere about trying to teach the people. Yo, dog,
you know what I mean people. Your dude came up
to me yesterday and was like, Yo, dog, thank you
so much. I ain't even remember them. He was like, dog,
you helped me out of a situation when my grandmother's house.
I'm like where he was like, I think Buffalo And
he was just telling me about some ship. I told
him that I did not remember and he was like, Yo,
thank you so much, dog, I just want to And

(34:29):
I was like, all.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Right, cool, like you'll enjoy I mean, but I think
that's doing for that, But you didn't do it for that.
But again, it's it's being able to give information soon
being able to take it and use it again. Right now,
it's no one.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
No one wants to do, nobody to be no no
one wants to do what egos are running rampant. And
I think that you could tell me how to do
some shit. And this is where the money always comes in.
If you don't have more money than I have, your
opinion now becomes null and void. If and I might
not you might have more money than me, but if

(35:04):
you don't wear the money. And I said this all
the time in real estate, like yo, dog, I could
tell somebody how to do all of these things. And
I pull up in the Cherokee and they'll look at
me like, show ass out of here. I might have
seventy seven houses, get your ass out of here. But
the nigga that got two houses pull up in a Ferrari.
You're giving them your mother's social Security number. You've giving
them all your information.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'll say unfortunately. I think that's just us, Like I
was just talking to my friend right oh, because because
the white billionaires don't look like they got a pot
to pisson Like. I thought it was really interesting too.
It was funny and we didn't get to talk about
it because you left a little early at Investpaz. Jack
Dorsey was remote, bro no, but we didn't. I didn't

(35:48):
get to talking about the nigga had a fan behind
him and it looked like he was in a hosteleosto. Look,
it was bro not even.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
He just don't want to show you the palace behind.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
It when I tell you somewhere.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Because the band was spinning.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
It was with the repellence. It's the old school fucking
fan behind him. It wasn't no electric fan.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
That ship was moving around.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Literally so so literally it was. It was interesting. I
look it up. Jack Dorsey, mind you guys. He is
the creator of Square cash app and Twitter co founder
come founder Twitter. So I'm watching this video. He's talking
very smartly. I ain't know all the things he was
motherfucker saying, but yeah, he loves me a little bit.

(36:48):
But I'm listening to Jack Dorsey, who I think is
worth like fourteen billion or something crazy and im and
I'm rising and I'm looking at his background and I'm
talking to shout out to Danny. I'm talking to Troy's wife,
and I was like, yo, only white people get away
with this, like because I'm like, again, what you're saying,
the way we perceive wealth and how we have to
show up to be taken serious even is is where

(37:12):
our community limits ourself and where we're getting our information
because we're not going to listen to the nigga driving
the Cherokee. We want the nigga driving the Lambo. And
so it was so interesting because my mind went there yesterday.
I was like and I'm like, I'm like, yo, Jack,

(37:33):
we're not going to leave it championship. But what's crazy
is the fact that my mind went to that. I
was like, he is on a sleeping on it. Literally,
Danny was like, where's the pillowcase? For the pillow? Like
there was a concrete. I was like, is he in
a war zone?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
He'll cut you look like you're bunker And it.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Was interesting what kind of wife you got?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
I thought the wife?

Speaker 5 (37:57):
I was all right, maybe he froze for like two minutes.
They had to rebooth oh see.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I wasn't there for the beginning because I was like,
he sounded good. But it was interesting as seeing this
room of people again. They sold twenty five thousand tickets.
We all want to hear Jack Dorsey. I thought he
was gonna be there.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
I wanted.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I wanted to see the man, see the man. But
seeing him on zoom, my my mind went immediately to
the background because I'm like, I know he has the money,
and unfortunately that's where we see our people showing up online.
No one wants to listen to the people who went
to school, who got the degrees, who did this? No,
I want to listen to the welse.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
I want the passport bus all the time. No, no, no, yeah,
want to say everything in the background different, I mean
in real talk. Well, but I'll be honest, you all
don't have not even half that room. Seventy percent of
the room didn't know who was on the screen, and
it probably didn't catch the ticket or I believe that
did not.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
You don't believe that.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
I think they know his brands.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
No, maybe I don't think they know him because because.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Because also he doesn't carry himself like an elon. He
doesn't carry himself like a Trump like for that room,
we could sit here and talk about black billionaires. I
think a lot of people don't know outside of Warren Buffett,
like what you know what I mean, like, I don't
think that they're that they look at that. And it's
funny because I heard you just talk about black billionaires
too recently.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
It was a lot of the billionaires show don't carry
themselves like that. Ninety five percent of them you could
see in the grocery store and not know who the
fuck they are.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Our billionaires don't carry themselves that way. But I think
I think majority of.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Our billionaires ones we know, we know the celebrity ones.
We knowurity ones. You see them in that environment, and.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
They got their billions being a celebrity, right, okay, valid
in front of people, You're right, okay.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
The one who owns patents, the one's own property.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
You can see done.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
You can see Don Peebles in the grocery store and
not know who he was, by.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
The way, shout out to him last year walked through
the marketplace.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
His son came up to me last year was like,
is I'm a fan? Yo? We need to work to I.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
Was like, we didn't start counting doors the dogs conversation.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
But again, if you are Jay z, if you are Beyonce,
if you are Lebron James, if you are Shaquille O'Neill,
you made the bulk of your money or you got
the stepping stone to your wealth through a screen. Everybody
knows you. They're gonna rush you. That might be uncomfortable
for you. Having all these people dog yesterday was overwhelming.
For me, it was overwhelmed a lot of me. I'm

(40:39):
not even gonna hold you, like I never experienced that,
engaged with that, like a lot of it. But they
were like it was I never experienced that soous, So
I can I can only imagine what Lebron James would
go through. Right, So, but the black billionaires that are
making their money and other arenas, they can walk through

(40:59):
the marketplace and nobody knows what yall.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
It's interesting because I want to go to kind of
back to who we are and how we show up again,
not being objective, not knowing our own opinion. It's interesting
too because with social media, which I want to lean
into what you said, With social media, we're creating these
caricatures of ourself online. You don't do it because I
think you're a little older and don't know how to
really navigate it very well. But I want to say,

(41:27):
people are showing the reels of their life and want
to show these things to where they're believing this is
who they are. They're believing that they are whoever they
present to be online. They're creating these these caricatures essentially
of themselves.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
And wanting go ahead to highlight that. I mean, And
I know this story in this trope has been saying
a million times. If the aliens, and I know you
believe in the Aliens, I do. If the aliens coming
to the Earth and they would pick any race, we'll
talk black for them. And they had to learn about
blacks from social media, from TV, from songs, what what

(42:01):
would they take away?

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Not good things?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
That's not true.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
You don't think something, I mean because I didn't. I
didn't say what it was.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
He said, not good things?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well, because I think that when you lean into heavily
what's portrayed about us, it's the worst of us. It's
the stereotypes of us, popular portrayal. But that's what I'm saying,
that's that's not true.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
That's what gets highlighted. If you have one hundred artists, yes,
let's go to music first. If you have an you're
talking about music. If you go to if you go
to music first, right, you might have one hundred artists,
only ten of them are getting played right right, cool.
So if the aliens came down and they listened to
black music in its entirety, black music is not all

(42:42):
bang bangs, shoot them up, killing nigga dots, slow like,
it's not all that. It's a lot of quality black
music that we are just again algorithmically not being presented.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
But here they don't have an algorithm algorithm those first ten.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
But if they don't hear that ten first, and they
hear the other twenty quality shit first, and then you
throw in three bullshit.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
So you can't say that because again, say there's no algorithm,
there's still radio is gonna play those algorithm No, no, no,
But also it's what's being fed to you right, so
and again back to if the aliens, but if the
aliens are acting again, even when you don't have an algorithm,
right when.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
You say, you say, say you.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
First, say you just get on a feed. You're gonna
see the most popular things first. You're not gonna see.
You're gonna see the people with millions of followers. You're
gonna see the things that most people follow. But it's
not gonna be the outlies. So let's let's talk about
to even music, right, Let's talk about music for how
we want to consume things, specifically hip hop or R
and B. What's the most popular right now for hip hop?

(43:50):
There's getting praise of the Chance album right now. Right
when he was happy with his wife, nobody wanted to
hear that shit. Then you have then you have R
and B. Guess what people say about R and B.
We love heartbreak. We like when people are going through it.
That's the best music because you can feel it. They
don't the maryor Jay Black. They want I'm going down.
They don't want I'm happy or with dancery or whatever

(44:13):
that barshit sound.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
We had this conversation the other day, actually shout out
the Chance album is amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
What we said was.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
When people are going through negative things, sometimes self reflection
now comes in and your creativity and your artistic ability
now magnifies because life ain't so good right now. So
we're not in con writing some surface shit. We in
a dark room somewhere going through some heartbreak and we're
putting that on piece of paper and everybody can relate.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
To and hip hop and in our community specifically, we
highlight the struggle. We highlight having to sell drugs. Our
rappers are leaning it. Let's be very clear. One of
the biggest rappers right now and I don't know, Yeah,
here's a rapper out Broadway dark. That's what's being fed
to are you when we look at what Emine was

(45:03):
talking about, fucking locking his baby mamas, Amy Winehouse, don't
set that on hip hop.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
That's musical.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Additionally, traditionally music, especially white music, was in a dark
place and some of their biggest artists were putting that
ship on paper. I told Joe, but in a long
time ago, if Joe was white, Joe would have been
one of the biggest rappers in the world, because Joe
is one of the first people to put down all
that dark shit, all that emotional and a fucked up

(45:30):
place shit that we look at like negative. He's a
weird though, but the masses go through that ship. We
just have not been taught that we can show our
vulnerability in a manner that Joe was doing.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Fifteen years ago.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
But that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
But it made a quasillion dollars.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
But back to where we're at, back to what the
conversation was. We highlight the drug dealing, we highlight fighting,
we highlight beef, We highlight all these negative things, and
we don't highlight being introspective. We don't highlight being educated,
don't I don't highlight a lot of things, Which is
where again, in terms of who we decide to show

(46:05):
up as if we see the highlight of and it's
what I said too about us immortalizing and making celebrity
out of drug dealers and mobsters. If we're highlighting all
the negative things about life, that's where we see people
wanting to lean into. We're not highlighting a lot of
the good things.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
His original premise was if the Aliens came down, Yes,
if the Aliens came down, they don't have Universal Music
Group pushing the shit to them, But that's a dollar
behind it. The aliens would come down totally oblivious, without
any ulterior motive. You can't feit they gonna just grab
random shit. They're not gonna all of that shit that

(46:45):
you're talking about is still algorithmic. On the radio, they're
gonna play the same seventeen songs. Rhapsody have an album
come out. We don't hear that shit on the radio, right,
You understand what I'm saying. So that don't mean that
it's not quality hip hop out here. Black Thought might
release project and if you're not a hip hop head,
you might not even know he have a project out.

(47:05):
So it's not because it's no money driven thing that
is put pushing Black thoughts to.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
You.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
We get talking about we talked about an alien coming
down from space. He's not commerce driven, he's not algorithm drive.
He's just taking his data from these people and process.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
But to me again, and I agree with with Barry here,
it's what you're going to be fed. So let's take
it away one moment. Let's take it away from hold On.
Let's take it away from aliens. When you travel to
other countries, the music on the like, whatever you're consuming
is literally and we can say capitalism over commerce over everything,
and algorithm is literally what we are in as as

(47:52):
a globe. If you go to another country, the food
that's everywhere is going to be what's being pushed to you.
The music is what's pushed to you the.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Stay on food, taking off music because music has too
much money behind it and too much other forces behind it.
When you go to another country, yes, and if you
don't have any referrals, because algorithms are referrals. When you
walk out of your resort and something smells good, you
go there and you try it. Nobody referred it to you.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
You try it.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
If you like it, you like it. If you don't,
you don't go over here. You get some other ship.
You go over here, you get some other ship. And
then based on your seven day trip, you can say, yo,
Thailand don't have good food. But they're just making up
because I've never been.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I've been there five times.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
All right, Yo, what I so what?

Speaker 4 (48:42):
I just made up a place? Right, You say Thailand
don't have good food. Nobody told you go to blah
blah blah restaurant. You just are randomly picking things. So
the same thing can be said for music or anything.
If you don't have a referral and you go to
get the music on your own, then you'll come up
with your own assessment of what this type this was.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
This was actually okay, good example because only because hear
me out what we're seeing what we're even seeing on again,
how we're viewing opinions. Right, We'll have thoughts on our
music the same day it came out. And now if
and if and if voices come on and say that
ship was whacked, that shit suck, people are gonna be like, yeah,

(49:26):
that'sh whacked that. And then let's go to food. We
have people now telling everyone these are the best things.
I'll never forget the goddamn Crumble craze. Niggas was al
here saying Crumble was the best thing ever. Cookies, these cookies.
So everybody was going to get the Crumble cookies because
they're like, these are amazing. It wasn't until they sat
there and tried it and actually were like, nah, these
ain't that great. But there was a craze around something

(49:49):
because everyone said it was good. Everyone should get.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
It, and we are programmable to come for a circle.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
From there we go.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
From the very start, iPhone is not better in the
sam sung out here we go. I'm just telling that
both of them look and I'm just telling you, but
the iPhone has been marketed.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
It's popular.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Yo, you got a blue bubble green bowl, Yo phone
up because you got a green bubble.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
You don't want to give you no coucie.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
I'll give them some ship first.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
But every everything is advertisment. Everything is about influence and indeed,
and even though we use the random example, you're not
taking a single trip without going to continue to restaurant whatever, whatever,
And it's literally, hey, what should I do? True?

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Know?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You asked the concierge downstairs?

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Where should I go?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Do you guys have any hookah around here? Yo? Who
is the good? Is that safe? Is it not safe?

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Which food is good? You'll ask somebody that's a referral.
So that is an algorithm of sort.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Media is the biggest And that's the only thing I'm
saying and is progressed with you. That's the one thing
they did say. It's pro grammable. That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
How do we how do we then like to full
circle this, How do we come to a place where
even the listeners listening? How do people come to a
place to form their own opinions? If we're leaning into
algorithm commerce content over everything like what would need to
be stopped or what should a person do to get
them in a place where they can sit with their

(51:22):
own opinions and know how to deliver them and engage
with other people to have.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
The conversation thing. I'm gonna say, it's not easy. There's
so many false voices out here, false sources. I could
I promise you I could get them ai and create
a book that's one hundred pages long that you would
think is the most factual thing in the world. I mean,
it's just the news. When that's like we were having
a conversation about sports. They're not telling you about the sports.

(51:48):
They're not telling you about the players, they're not they're
telling you about the stories. They tell you about whose
day you got married, how much is how much to
sign it for? And they you know, you can't even
tell me what place someone's in every division, who in
the first place right now? So it's it's one you
have to want to know it discermining your mind and determination,
annoy it. Check sources for real, for real, and listen

(52:11):
to like minded and opposing don't let them bring don't
let either side brain we talked earlier, don't just try
to memorize and reg regurgitate collective thinking, selective thinking, what
was it y'all used earlier? Where you just think it through?

(52:32):
Does it make sense? To you. We watch a spy
movie or a crime show, we think, did you see
that little piece there?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
And I can tell it.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Use that same thing when you're talking to people and
when you're reading things like Okay, this is something. Hold on,
I'm not gonna make up my mind now I'm gonna
I'm gonna look at them paying it's on the check box.
I know I'm gonna come back to this. You don't
do this. You could, I promise you. And this is
respect to both of y'all watching it. Y'all may have
clearly seen just a headline and say it allowed to

(53:01):
your big platforms. It's like, yeah, you're feeding it out there.
That was I mean, it is what.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
It is.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Not anymore. But back in the day the onion used
to give me, which is even worse now. I feel
like it's become harder to gather information with AI. There's
so much AI that I see that looks real that
you literally I'll be having to see people tell me
it's AI. And I was like, there was like this
this picture going around a little baby and like this
little pink crop top with like bedazzles and these little

(53:35):
tiny shorts, and that was AI. And I was like,
mind you. My first thought was this nigga and I here,
this is crazy and I made an opinion on it
based on the picture and then went into things and
it was an AI photo. Apparently those blue based photos
too of him doing a split in jail.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Those are a I that's where it's.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Dangerous.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
I thought exercise for everybody. Everybody mother thought exercise. Give
it some Just look at any homepage, scroll down.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
You know.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
All they have is like a little quick mole stores.
And the ones that catch all your attention because they
always say the source, just pay attention. One giveaway if
you see the word add because they have to put
that there now. But then the other ones look at
the source some strange name, well and you just dot

(54:25):
hullabaloo dot com.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
They got.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Say con sources on the show because that was the
real thing. And one thing, yo, where you're getting from.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Oh no, I'm not gonna lie the sports ship the
sentel be Yeah, it's crazy, yo.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Lebron James now moved to Miami Heat.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Like that's the good thing about using AI the right way.
I'm not gonna hold you, y'all know ch e bt
is my husband Grock on Twitter is my side, Nigga,
I love some grock because you will literally at groc
and be like, yo, is is this true? Where did?
Where is the source from? What? What is what happened

(55:04):
after this video? And sometimes he got he get it
wrong sometimes, but there's a lot of times where he
goes he can pull from the entire internet and let
you know if something is real or not. And I
appreciate using those I appreciate AI like those sources being
at my fingertips. You just have to know how to
utilize them. And again, you have to be open to
not believing the first thing you see. You have to

(55:26):
question everything.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
You almost can believe nothing nowadays, nothing believe a video
if you weren't in the room.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Just see there was a there was a video recently
of a whole bunch of like mermaids they said, in
an ocean, and it looked real. It looked like somebody
captured it from their balcony. And I'm like, yo, you
can do anything with fucking about.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Where we're going, three of us sitting right here. They
could put us in Memphis robbing a bank. In fact,
they have our audio where they could be like you
youga get down on the ground, give me all your money,
your country asking you fuck nigga.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I'm saying that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
No, I know they can have you. Black people.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Reparations love those tools, and we tried to help out
with content a few times. It's dangerous amount. Joe talk
to that that ship is scared. I mean, just to
use men as example, he probably has twenty thousand hours
of his voice being out there. They would more than that.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I mean, yeah, yeah, way more.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
But it wouldn't even just be close. That's how it
would be.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Identical, Yeah, identical Cadence and all.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah dog they Beanie Seagull is rapping again.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
I mean, not only that my uh D album where
he's yes the train he's rapping, but I did any
in his voice so it could sound like DLC before
the not.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Only that My Homegirls. There's an app that she uses.
She's a lawyer. Shout out to my friend Jasmine if
you need a lawyer. She she has to go through
cases like and it gets boring. So there's an app
where she'll put the case in it and it could
be Snoop Dogg Gwyneth Paltrow reading the case to her
in a voice that she wants to hear like an
audio book that's more pilling. And I was like literally,

(57:11):
and I was like, but like knowing that she's consuming
content this way and that it's not and that it
and that it's not snoop like you know what I mean,
knowing that these people could read her cases in a
way that is digestible, that she can consume. And I'm like, Yo,
this is crazy. This is crazy, and no one wants

(57:35):
to hear snup Dog readcases. I listened to it.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
It wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Those words were big. It didn't sound natural coming from
suit Dog. I'm just saying no, no, no, I like su Dog.
I want to hear dog. I'd rather sup Dog give
me recipes for my high ass than read a court case.
That's all because Gwyneth Paltrow read it really nicely, Like
I like, Gwyneth, Here we go, here we go. Don't
do that. I rather not the black man.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I can't say anything. I can't say anything.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
That will not be seventy seven times. I bet you
that much.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
We're not gonna do that. That is not what happened.
You're exaggeration. And this is the other thing. When you
say something enough times, you start to believe it. He
genuinely believes this was clipped up that many times. And
that's another problem with people. If they say things enough times,
they believe it to be fat, they believe it to
be true. And that's not the case either.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Objectivity, It's just not true, you know what.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Anyways, I would love our audience to form their own opinions.
Would love to know where you've seen people lack in comprehension, objectivity, subjectivity.
We said a lot of words today, a lot of
big words, most of them right, I do I do
good over here, over here, horrible to. Cities will be
a little tricky, be a little tricky because we get

(58:53):
into the libido and ship like that, you know what
I mean? And I used to say liberto. It's the words.
It's like I did say, Look I show dig it
is Orlando. Stop putting me in for it buyers. Anyways,
it's where can people listen to you a lot of
times a week?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Patreon go sign up?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Look at you.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
So proud.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
As y'all know. You can watch full episodes on the
with Mandy Bee channel on YouTube. Make sure you get
the book No Holds Barre and doing Manifesto Sexual exploration
and power available wherever you get books, and also really
really really excited if you were in it that uh
you know, in a year, y'all can get soft cover.

(59:43):
This was this was sent to people to read it beforehand. Anyways. Also,
if you are in Atlanta, you can now listen to
me every Saturday hot on seven nine off the clock
with your Girl and Jazzy T. I don't know how
I'm gonna have so much things to talk about, but
I really love my segments over there. We get into
this is America, which is my political segment, and then

(01:00:03):
celebrities say the darnis things. So I get to really
get into what these celebrities out here saying because everyone
has a microphone. No never, but y'all could check me
out every Saturday six to eight if you're in Atlanta
on Hot one O seven nine starting this week, So
y'all check that out. Congratula, thank you, Oh my god,

(01:00:24):
I got the baby, and I'll be streaming too, so
y'all go ahead and join me on the stream. I
don't know, here's the thing. I would love to make
more money just being at home. I really, I mean,
I think that's the American dream is that not the
American dream working from home or it's not easy. And
that's another thing. This is not easy. This is not easy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Lucky we done, Yeah, we're done.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
We're not doing that. This is not this is not
a king is what we do easy?

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Hell?

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And from the outside I used to think that, But
what what what the thing is?

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
Work is it becomes working. So what we do is
easy in the sense of our skill set is the easy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
I don't they talking and having an opinion is an
easy skill set. You talked about how people don't have it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
But we have responsibility too, right because we we.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I genuinely with with again comprehension, objectivity, subjectivity, all the
things what we just spent over an hour discussing, Right,
I don't think people understand how difficult it is to
a have a stance and opinion, express that part with
multiple people and take in knowing that people are going
to critique what you're saying. What we actually do this skill.

(01:01:42):
A lot of people can't talk, a lot of people
can't be vulnerable, a lot of people can't share their experiences.
This skill is difficult. And then to come in week
in and week.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Out, sometimes twice.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Androids don't have d and dying and so it's so George,
I think it's easy to listen. Yes, I don't think
it's easy for what to do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
Hard. I'm not lowering any of your body skill sets.
I think it is harder to be excellent than to
do it NBA world. That's why. So don't don't take
it as I'm shooting at you. You can learn to
play basketball in elementary school. That doesn't mean you're gonna
be Jordan, doesn't mean you're gonna be Lebron.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Yes, good so, but you wouldn't You wouldn't call basketball easy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
I would call it's all about your competition and your
level of excellence. Basketball by itself is easy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
It's not.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
You're taking you're taking a thirteen to fourteen inch ball,
shooting it ten feet high and putting in it in
running and millions of doing it around the world every
and millions.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Of people speak speak every day every day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
To be to be compelling, to be provocative, to be humorous,
and get your concise point across to millions of people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It's not easy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
It's not an easy thing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
And I know you'll always talk about music artists that
fall off or even one hit wonders. They could have
made a hit and it may have been easy, hard
and maybe been their life story. But we always say
the second one and the third one is harder. It
doesn't mean that you didn't have the skill to do it,
it's just it's still just level was consistency of being

(01:03:24):
great is the hard.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
But that's that industry, the buttons getting pushed for your single,
who wrote.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Every It doesn't happen for everybody, and some people just
hit cool.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
And to your point, if it was easy, they would
replicate it. Anything that is easy anybody can do easy.
If it was easy, everybody would have a mic in
front of their face, making millions of dollars doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
It's not easy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
To sit here and talk instead of sitting in two
hours of rush hour traffic going to be a fucking accountant.
Do you think anybody the account That's why I said no.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Do you work harder than everybody who works on your construction?

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Me?

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
From what with?

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Let me take that back from a physical perspective or
a mental perspective, because they're different, and we confuse it too.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
I'm saying the podcaster versus the person that claims that
ladder takes it that. No, we're saying that's what I'm saying.
It's not universal, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
I'll ask you a specific question, or the question was
from a physical perspective or a mental.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Perspective, that was my question.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
I would say physical.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
No, I don't take that same person.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
They can't generate business, they can't write out contracts, they
can't manage resources, which are time, manpower, money, and material
to make this engine run to be profitable. You might
be able to spackle a wall better than I ever could.
You might be able to tile a bathroom better than
I ever could, But you don't have enough skills to

(01:05:02):
put money in your own pocket week in and week
out like I did, like I can to make a
payroll every week, to have a staff that you have
to pay every single week and generate revenue for them.
Most Americans don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I agree, and that's why when people, when podcast consumer consumers,
play down how much work actually goes into being able
to have a podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
It's I'm level saying that against all the jobs that
I'm aware of. I'm not. You're looking at podcasts failed
successful big market small markets. If you're chalking within the box,
then it's just about what you're doing. If you're literally
talking to the construction guy. Everybody has different roles. In
different roles comes with different returns on investment, different responsibilities,

(01:05:48):
different risks, and depending on what you're using as your
measuring stick, there's a jillion jobs that are harder than this.
It's not to say that you're not doing the work.
It's not that you didn't bring your life experience to it.
It's not that you know if that harder.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Again, it's subjective, it's a.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Subjections, a subjective then things can be higher or lower.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Because even you're bringing up construction and the physicality of it.
But even that, even that, do you know how physically
draining it is to to speak all day, to to
operate in a in a in the brain capacity that
is necessary to hold on engage with multiple people, Like
the way we talked about investmentst was physically draining, like

(01:06:30):
mentally draining because of all the people there. Mind you,
you're talking, talking all day, talking with other people, receiving information,
having to spew out your thoughts with the quickness, and
then that going out to the world, and mind you,
there's a there's there's a part of the pod, just
sitting on it, and then there's what me and Joe
do and running the team that delivers it every week.

(01:06:52):
There's so much that goes into this. This is and
I say it too. Doing the audiobook, this was one
of the hardest things I've ever had to do. You
don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
To you, like an audiobook in your country.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
We're not gonna do that. This is my book, my bucket,
My book is read and my voice. But no even
that after a couple hours, you know, like when you
get a when you get a tattoo, you can only
sit for so long because your skin starts to bleed
when you when you are rate, literally air goes into
your stomach. You start burping, you start your eyes start
getting blurried from reading words like, being able to do

(01:07:26):
this is difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
It is very difficult. It's really borderline insalting.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
How somebody would be like, Yo, that shit ain't work,
my nigga, I work in a warehouse and I'm lifting
fifty pounds backs all day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
To be honest, you lifting the fifty pound bells of hey.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
It's easy as fuck because it's no thought that goes
into that, and no disrespecting nobody that works men your labor.
But yo, there's no thought in the going to that
you unloading the ups truck right, you going getting some
ship boom boom.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Now your back will take the toll. But the mental
stresses that come along with somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
I was even when you work in the office, yes,
you can sometimes disconnect completely and do everything you need
to on your computer. If you're in construction, you got
a job to do. Right When I was just in
La Me and Weezy, we we knocked out. It was dumb.
We knocked out like ten episodes in three days. We
finished the episode and immediately my body depleted socially and

(01:08:20):
I needed a breather, and I was like, damn, I
have to. I have to show up and perform right
now in a way that the audience wants to enjoy it.
My co host feels like I'm listening and I'm here,
and I mentally wocked out. I wasn't present, and I
was like, I was like damn. She was like, well
you want to, and I was like, no, bitch, we
got a guest coming. I can't just clock out right now.

(01:08:41):
I have to. And I had to remove myself five minutes.
I only have five minutes because we're in the studio.
This is and I was like, fuck, I have to
turn on and be in a space that humanly right
now is hard.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
And that's what I learned from Joe. That shit is
life going on for everybody. Motherfuckers think that life, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
That is so hard, Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
You could be going through some real ship with your mother,
your baby, mother, your kids, your school, your health. Niggas
could be having real health issues.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
But when that might come on, Joe, Joe promise, look,
let's go no live, we start.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
We started around ten thirty eleven o'clock and Joe could
be in a shitty mood right so we could tell
when you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Dog when parks go.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Jo, Yo dog, my boy can cut it when I
say cut it on like somebody hit a switch and
another person just jumps, and it's like yo, because again
this the gig is the gig gig, and so yo,
the four million listeners don't give a fuck about what's Look, me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
And Joe got into it recently.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
You watched the show where I had mad personal shit
going on in my life, and it's like, yo, dog,
if you could see it right, because I was coming on,
I wasn't being as vocal as possible like I used
to be, and and everybody knew what like something's wrong
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
It happens to everybody, it does. But when you're the
catalyst that's moving, it can't happen to you. Nobody gives
a fuck about your bad day. The sponsors don't give
a fuck about your bad day, the audience, but they
now want you off your job. They want to remove
you from the show that you created.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
The thing is but let me be clear. I didn't
say either one of your jobs were easy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
You did say that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
No, No, I said it's not the hardest job in
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
You said easy rewind.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
We're doing the rewind here selective bigness too. I need
you to pull up, go back to him.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Saying I put both of you across the room, across
the table from from two elementary school teachers. I think
you're saying hard is going to be a different conversation.
Y I'm just saying, but do you it's just to
acknowledge that, yes, your job is hard.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
I'm not gonna minimum the teachers right right, Yep, my nigga.
Using the same lessons plans from last year, ya less.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Money and you can't talk about the money like the
teacher to the doctor right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Like we're not the teacher year of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
The funding is no, it's fine, but all of it
talking about the ease of the job.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
And and and I agree with, I know this book
the back of my hand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
I agree. I agree with is that it becomes an
insult when the consumers, the listeners, and anyone who doesn't
do this day in the day out believes that what
we do is easy in anyone and anyone can do it.
It's an insult because that's not the case.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
I definitely don't think anyone could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Anybody can run the ball all make another one.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
That when you get the voices, No, I just I would.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
I wouldn't be paying y'all money every month if if
y'all weren't doing your.

Speaker 7 (01:11:54):
Job at the level he's telling y'all to shut the
fuck up because he contributes to patient.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Bine.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
We got it. It's cool. Don't press me too hard.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Curious. Well, look, I love that you y'all got some
y'all got some extra long episodes these last two weeks.
I'm gonna go feed these country brothers real quick. Yeah,
this one was over an hour too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Whoa ho.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
See, don't do that just for four hours. I'm not lucky, y'all.
In for ten hours. I ain't got one point five
million dollars to split between twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Niggas work eight hours every day. I understand we wanted
to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
I'm not ship and it's okay. Everyone knows it, y'all.
This has been another episode of selective ignorance for curiosity, lives, controversy, thrids,
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