Ep. 31 | Public Outrage: Freedom of Speech, Superbowl & Tylenol feat. Carla Wilmaris - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peace to the plan. This Charlamagne of God here.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Before we get into today's episode, we've got to celebrate
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the power of the platform. Now let's get
into it.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,
before we get to this week's episode, I want to
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Make sure y'all get that.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Now let's get to this week's episode. This is Mandy
be Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black
Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio. Hay Classmates or the
ones that are in detention because y'all are the bad ones.
It is another episode of selective ignorance. And y'all, we
are getting into all the things today. First, the freedom

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of speech. I swear every week it feels like someone's
ready to snatch the mic right out of my hands
and force me into corporate America again, and honestly, it
freaks me out. Podcasting is literally my bread and butter,
but also my therapy. If I couldn't share my opinions,
where would I be. That's right, we're talking about Jimmy
Kimmel and Trump and him almost taking away the First Amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
The revolution about to be telepashion. Then there's the so
called rapture that was supposed to end the world a
few moments later.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
However, the first is tomorrow, which means bills are still here,
which means the world actually did not end. Darn And
speaking of the world not ending, we are still in
the American democracy almost of Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
They're eating the dog for now.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
He is taking on the CEO of Tilanov. He allegedly
does not give a goddamn flippin' fuck about facts because
he's leading or he's saying that Tailanov is the cause
of autism?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
What about dates? Do dates not matter?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Autism was here far beyond Tailanov, but we're gonna talk
about it. And the super Bowl half time performer has
been announced.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
It is Bob.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Bonney and of course everyone always has something to say,
so there is outrage around bad Bunny being named the
super Bowl halftime performer.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Find out why with.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Me and my delightfully unfiltered other half Carlo bo Maris,
who is joining me and young.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
We are getting into it this week.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
You're gonna have a double dose of being Carla because
you can also check out Friday's bonus episode that's will
probably have.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Your blood boiling, but make sure you check that out. Carla, Hey, girl,
and y'all be nice to me this week. It gay
be nice to me. Guys. I love you. So does
I get a little emotional?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
You know?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Oh, just sometimes you get emotional. It's so funny because
before we started this.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Episode, I called Carla to talk about what topics we
would talk about this week, and of course we started potting.
But I was like, wow, I really love how somehow
we find a way to continue this friendship through differences
of opinion.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Very different. No, no, no, extremely different.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And I wonder if it's because you decided to stay
in Florida and I chose to leave.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Like I'm trying.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
I figure we have totally different backgrounds, we have totally
different lifestyles, we have totally different lives, especially with like parenting,
and like, I think it's all of that, but it worked,
you know, with friendships. The beautiful thing about it is
that it's not like a marriage where you're with someone
every single day, so you have your outlet for other

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things that you like to do. I have my outlet
for other things that I have to do, and we
really come together and like what we love to do professionally.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
But it still works. Like they say, opposite.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
This is why I want the Sherry Shepherd type of relationship,
the Oprah is saman relationship. I really think people are
not supposed to live together. I mean, yes, you got
to live with your kids, but even that is only temporary.
Like the idea of just living with somebody, well, you

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know that's why I person to have their own life
outside of you.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You your spouse can't be your entire life. It's just impossible.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Us putting unrealistic expectations onto that person. And yeah, again
just coming from two single bitches, right, Sorry, don't.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Listen to us.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Actually I'm not single. She can speak for herself.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
I'm talking about a single a non monogamous person. So
we cannot give marriage people advice at the moment. We
gonna have them in divorce court.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, you know, but you actually brought up like something
that was a little interesting before we get into this episode. Yeah,
I know some people if they've listened to me before,
I have definitely heard you on my platforms. But I
would love to because I'm not sure how often even
friends do this. But could we draw some of our

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stark differences in terms of what makes us so different?
Only because in terms of having an opinion right and
where a lot of people get their selective outrage or
selective ignorance essentially is drawn upon their upbringing, their socioeconomic

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like space that they're in, their geographical location. And we
talked about some of these things on this pod. But yeah,
if we could like pick maybe our top three start
differences on maybe why we don't agree on many things,
I would love to like kind of just start off
with that and then maybe catch up with.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
You a little bit before we get into.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
The mass of the girl of America America.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
The biggest one is I'm a mother of two.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Was a mother one from day one that we met,
So I was from day one that we met team
mom at that so I've never.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yes, you being a mom is a big one. I'm
going to piggyback off of that and go into our upbringing.
You came from a well off family and a two
parent household.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, so I grew up in a single parent household
where over time, I mean everything from food stamps, Section
eight just kind of government assistance. And I also had
I mean, you had siblings too, So I think that
that would be the upbringing difference.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
But you know, I don't think we should probably also
point out to everyone that, all though those were very
stark differences, we're probably ten miles aways from each other.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Oh but that girl child girl. But you could literally,
and I learned this being in New York. You could
be on one street with million dollar homes and the
projects be right next to it.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Bro you know where I live, and Oak Bridge is
a hop and a skip away. So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Like, But even though we were not far from each
other in distance, like a lot of neighborhoods are comprising.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying we were so closed
yet so different. So also, did you come from a
small town. No, we're literally in the snow from right Orlando,
in two totally different worlds.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Orlando Fo seven school played each other.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Our schools literally played each other.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
We're in the same county, same district, and still living
completely different lives growing up.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
And then what would be the third thing I would
say are.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
It could be two big ones talk to me, faith
like spirituality, I would say, and you grew up with
the same one.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
And then our outlook on love and relationships.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Okay, so monogamy, non monogamy, spiritual and religious beliefs are
upbringing and socioeconomic status. And then the fact that you
are a mother of two and I am a mother
of none. I think that those are very very staunch
differences on why we have such different opinions. You know what,

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Speaker 1 (09:24):
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Speaker 3 (09:29):
But also yeah, if you don't want to hear them both.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Ways by listening to the ads or Patreon, but yeah,
I would also encourage you to maybe if you have
a friend or family member that you realize y'all's opinions
on shit is so goddamn different.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Maybe literally just do a linear like checklist on what
things are are different in terms of what has made
you to be the person that you are. And it's
so interesting because I know so many of you be questioning, like, hell,
where the fuck I get my thoughts of using opinions,
but I think they they systematically or evolution. You know,

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I'm just gonna make up words right now.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
But you started from.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, I started in it. So here's the thing to.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
You.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Just use this me neither shout out to Van Lathan.
I've been listening a lot to Higher Learning and I
literally had to pause the episode to text him and say,
how magnificent I think his brain works. But there's almost
an envy that I had towards him because it seems

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like his mind and his mouth work on the same accord,
like one isn't quicker than the other. And for me,
I think my mouth is quicker than how my brain
processes shit. So I just feel whatever is coming through.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
My brain, but my brain.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
The first time you've mentioned is that there's someone else.
I won't mention their name that you've all so like
brought up and you like. I love the way that
she talks and she expects it.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
But I don't not anymore because it sounded good, but
I realized she wasn't saying nothing like That's another thing
that I realize.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, but no, no, no, no, no no, I think no
Carla Pauls because I want to be very clear, because
there's another woman who speaks.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Really eloquently and I think she sucks as a podcast.
There is a difference between eloquently speaking and sounding beautiful
because the words flow like a goddamn like R and
B song. Yeah, And then there's a difference between actually
saying something.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
It's the gift of gab. Some people have the gift
a gap that just have the words, they're able to
put them together.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
It doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
But you've said this before, and I don't want you
to ever envy or look at it.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Be like I wish I could say that the way
you speak makes you you.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yes, Sometimes delivery does need to work in a little
empathy needs to come into play. But at the end
of the day, the way that you deliver certain things
works for certain people. The way that Van Laythan delivers
works for others. Like I just had a it wasn't
an argument. It was a little scriffuffle while recording my
episode and we had an audience. My friends were there

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and we were recording across the street or whatever, and
Dix and I got into something, right, differences of opinion
and whatever. How we usually do we stay arguing on
the box right, and then we have to stop the recording.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
And then Ariel.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Who the way that she speaks, and it's so eloquent,
it's put together, and she's screaming at like words. It's
a screaming match at this point. But with love and
Dex was like, Man, I've been trying. This is what
I've been trying to tell you, but it doesn't come
out the way that she comes out for her and
I have to tell her I about There's two things
her and I have a very very similar upbringing, and
then the way that she speaks can get through to

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me for certain things right, and then other things with
Dex the way she gets to me. So it's like
your delivery. It's right for the right people at the
right time. You don't have to change who you are
and you still know how to how to deliver. It's
a little rough sometimes, but it's just.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Who you are. I don't even think it through.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Think you don't think it's rough, you know what it is.
I think people got an issue with a woman with
a raspy, deep voice.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
That's what I think. You're not the only person to do.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Think if I had a softer tone.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
I watched Jenna and my two friends, Jenna and Dex
talk and they're very like soft spoken and very like
cute see and.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
They're like the man, I can't do that. I'm sorry,
it's more rough than they are. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I don't know one woman in media with a deep,
raspy voice that doesn't come off as aggressive or masculine
or argumentative or like I genuinely feel like it's the
tone of my voice, which a bitch can't change.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
That change can change the tone. You can't change the sounder.
You can I can't change the tone. AnyWho. I don't
want to go any deeper to that one.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Any I did want to get into though, while we're
talking about how we express ourselves, while we're talking about
tone delivery, even the ways in which we hope people
receive what we're saying. Even though I said every goddamn week,
comprehension skills have dissipated the same way we lost recipes, bitch,

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we are losing the ability to comprehend. So technically, I
would say, over the last week, so literally a week exactly.
Last Tuesday, Kimmel returned on air after being suspended indefinitely
at one point by the Trump administration and the FCC

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pretty much for his joke quote unquote on Charlie Kirk.
I say that it was even a joke because the
intended joke wasn't at all around the assassination of Charlie
Kirk as much as it was around Trump's response to
the death of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
And clearly Trump don't like being made fun of, even
though we make fun of that cheeto, every goddamnita's fun
of everybody.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Now here's the thing. So what we've seen is Kimmel
return on air. Actor Disney Plus saw a loss of
about four billion dollars due to people unsubscribing in somewhat
a boycott slash protest of the streaming service because of

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their removal of the Kimmy The Jim Jimmy Kimmel Show.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sorry guys.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
And again with him returning on air, the show his
opening monologues saw more views than ever before, breaking records.
And I kind of just wanted to talk to you,
Carla a bit of how it made us feel.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Now, if you went and saw my feature over on.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
The Need to Know podcast, shout out to Savon and
Alex Okay. I didn't give a fuck about the loss
that Disney had. However, for me being in a country
where I could literally quit my career because I am myself.

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Being myself includes being able to express my opinions on
everything around me. I think that week or the six
days that Jimmy Kimmel was removed off air, and seeing
that he is a white man who was removed off air,
a white man, a white man.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
A white man, I literally sat with.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Almost the uncertainty again, like like, what the fuck can
I make plans for my life professionally? Could I make
plans for anything like for the next five years? Mind you,
this man is in office for another three and change.
So I'm literally thinking to myself, that's where my mind
when when when kim got off there, I was like,

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what plans can I make for my life right now?
If this is a possibility.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
So I think there's there's two things here because the
whole thing WHI Jimmy kim came from Charlie Kirk, right,
So I think both.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Of those are a free speech nightmare.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
And one, clearly Charlie Kirk was whether it's we go
by Candice owners We're not gonna go.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
There was murdered due to the rhetoric of what he
was speaking on of his speeches.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Okay, so and that is his first amendment, right, whether
I agreed with it or not. Charlie Kirk was getting
on podcasts, platform schools, tour speaking.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
His mind what he believed, whether it was trash or not.
It's not the point. We bet on this mic, you
multiple times a week, you multiple forms, and I don't
agree with nothing, like nothing nothing, And it's like that
is not a reason, first of all, to be scary
for me, because yes, I don't have eight million followers,

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Yes I'm not being watched by one hundred million people
all the time, but it only takes one to take
gap because they don't agree, and we have that freedom
of speech.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
So that's where it's domed from. Then seeing that someone
talks about with Charlie Kirk the situation and then gets
taken down, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
So now we're in this place where it's like, do
we have free speech or do we not?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Or do we only have free speech now if we
agree with the cheeto.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Now here's my question though, So we have a lot
of freedoms right right, and.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Within those freedoms come consequences. Correct aware for your consequences.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
We're not free your consequences right and now, I don't
think that a consequence should be death. I mean, you know,
and I'm here for the death penalty and things in
which people do that I see as pure crimes. Having
an opinion is not a crime. So I don't think
that anyone should die for having an opinion.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
But it's there's still we need to have a We
have a duty and a responsibility to also not be
on these mics and give hate speech. We also, I
feel like I have a duty to not incite violence
and crimes.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Because it can happen.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
People are after years and years of being in the
public eye, people are following and doing what you're telling them.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Hey, sign out.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
You just literally told folks to go and rate and
review your show that same way when and when Trump
told them to pull up to the Capitol Hill wherever
they went. Girl, it is that the same girl, don't know.
So we have to be careful with what it's okay
to tells us do a rate and review. But the
same one that we wanted to do a rate and review,

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they can also run to do a crime or to
incite violence. So we have to be careful with what
we say. And just because you're mad about what somebody
said doesn't mean you heard them. And with Jimmy Kimmel,
I'm just nervous and it just shows me even more.
We have to make sure that we want diversify our portfolio.
There's no such thing as job security. There's no job

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security at you. If you work at Chase, there's no
job security for you. If you work at Disney World,
there's no job security. If you work at ABC, there's
no job security. If you're making millions, it's still a
fucking job. That was that man's job.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Now here's the other thing, because we saw a lot
of people lose their jobs right because of their public
opinions on this death in general. It's tricky because also,
and I'm wondering, now, clearly the SEC has guidelines. Clearly

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Jimmy Kimmel is signed to a contract. I do wonder
because because of how we're seeing people lose their jobs,
I'm wondering if there was anything within the contract that
you know, like when you have a job, right, you
know you then align yourself with the company's thoughts beliefs, values, mission,
and even if you were off the cloth, if something

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you do is captured that goes against that job that
you essentially represent as an employee, you could be like, oh.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
That happens with news anchor.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
So when I was working in the radio here and
part of the reason why I did in my contract
the way I did when.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I did radio is because they own your identity. So
newscast news people, that's why their hair, it's a certain way,
they speak, a certain way. You don't see them doing
podcasts of their own. They're not allowed to. They literally
actually cannot.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
A lot of radio personalities cannot have their own podcasts,
and if they do, it has to be under the
umbrella of that company and they monitor the entire thing.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
It's well, I'm just saying, I'm just saying I'm a
special case because girl, I'm iHeart and Urban ones.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
No, but you come in that way, right, But you're
not if you were iHeart radio, oh baby, you and
me able to do what.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
You do right now? Oh yeah, and then am not
going to do a.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Certain amount of time in there and you're able to
go even when it comes to some of the stuff
with like people that we know they have it within
the network, right, then there's some other ones that have
its different. But if you're a smaller total in the
total POM like you can't you can't do it.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Did you did you watch his episodes over the last week? Yeah?
When I seen the clip of him crying, I said,
I'm not watching this. Wait, why why are you crying?

Speaker 6 (22:27):
What made you upset at him being emotional? It just
felt like, why are you crying? You didn't do anything wrong?
Did he do something wrong that I missed?

Speaker 5 (22:44):
What I watched the monologue of the Charlie Kirk and
that they're finding any way for him that I'd be
laughed or right.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Right, why are you crying? I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
When I was speaking about out, well, first off, with
those six days probably meant to him again. He made
jokes that all the people that reached out, I think
I think there is.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
It was while he was talking about Charlie Kirk specific.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's not it's not about no no, no, no no no. Well,
first off, you're not seeing the whole thing. I think
it makes sense why probably have this limited opinion on it.
To me, I think emotions are always tied to what's
coming out of you at the moment.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
I also think the idea that people believed he was
celebrating the death of a man when that wasn't his intention.
So he didn't even it, didn't even even Carla.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Let me, let Carla, let me finish, Let me finish. Girl.
We're gonna we gonna let each other talk this episode.
I'll be honest with you. I think that there was
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Emotions and things that took place for him personally, not
just as a TV anchor, but as a human being,
with the idea of losing his job, the thing that
he does, you know, daily during the week, what he's
been doing for what the last fifteen, twenty years, or
however long he's had the show, I think that being

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misunderstood or and again we're on such a micro level
of it, I can imagine where certain people were reaching
out and support of him. Also, all of the hate
that he endured during the week for people insinuating or
assuming that the joke was in celebration of the death
of another man. And he just has to be at

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a family who had kids. No, he doesn't have to
be quiet, you know what I'm saying. During six days
he just had to be quiet.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I'm waiting. No, Well, not only you had to.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Be quiet, but a human being is not just quiet
for six days.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
He wasn't on air, but he was a human being
that lived those twenty four hours each of those days,
enduring a lot, probably getting lawyers involved dealing with okay,
am I still old my contracts? So his livelihood was
at stake. Yes, character was assassinated, like over a joke
about someone who was literally assassinated, when that wasn't his intent.

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His intent was to correct jokes at the lack of
mourning or lack of empathy that our president actually had
for this person that he called a friend. And again,
if you go back to outside of the people that
showed support at the same time he's the emotions make
all the sense as to why in this opening monologue,

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in the monologue to follow, why he would have been emotional.
Do I think those tiers Charlie Kirk, absolutely not. Those
tears were for everything that he just had to endure
over the past week, And to me, I genuinely couldn't
imagine what that looked like.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, if I even want to to.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Somewhat tried to feel like know what it would have
felt like, bro when we announced the end of.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Searbing.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Is even horrible because horrible was fake and that was
me playing into my marketing bit. I knew it was
all fake, so I didn't take anything serious because clearly
nobody knew what was happening. But in terms of me,
one it actually see the thing is brought like so
much emotional like things like I mean to be fair.

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That's what led me into therapy. Well, we chose to
stay after the one co host left. The things that
people had to say about my character and how I
felt about women and their bodies or you know, them
not feeling safe in certain environments, and the attacks just
on my character were terrible. Yeah, then we stay. Then

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we choose to leave. So then I have all the
in cells that followed this man who don't care about
is behaviors and actions, and I become a villain because
I choose to end a business agreement and move on,
and then to be fear when me and an old
girl broke up at the end of that because it
no longer served me. Like the the mental strain of

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what you endure when you make a decision and the
public has the right that to the right to have
those to have an opinion.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
I think that's what we come back and ground ourselves
as individuals.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And Jimmy Kimmel, of course it's it's a it's a
bigger stage, but that's when we also have to check
in with ourselves.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
And it's great that you went to therapy because we
have to look at our validation doesn't come from the
people's opinions.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Right.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
That doesn't take away the fact that it is heavy,
it is dark, it is ugly, it's it's only happened
to me very few times where like what I said
or something goes viral, people are really upset. I'm and
that's part of the reason where I also stay in
my bubble in Orlando because I can shut off all
the electronics and no one around here knows who the
hell I am. Right, I can just walk around and
it doesn't change that. So sometimes you have to shut

(27:53):
it all off, but it doesn't change. And now I
do agree with you. I'm one of those people that
like can't stand somebody who got an opinion or something
they don't watch the whole hate it because the same thing,
like recently you just did you just didn't watch it.
I'm like, I didn't like the crying, but I didn't
watch it, so I don't have an opinion on on
his money.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
But you know, but you did. But that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
In the moment, you were like, yeah, but right, but
you still chose to have an opinion about something that
you didn't watch him full context.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
And so I just said he was crying over. Yeah,
that's an he was crying.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Over and it just made me not want to watch it.
But I'm not gonna say, oh, he it was bad,
it was terrible. No, but got none of that.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
But you also because you tied again lack of comprehension,
You tied the emotion. Oh yeah, I'm calling you outenion,
lack of comprehension because you tied his tears to almost
the morning of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
I made an assumption that's what it was for. But
also I've never been a fan of Jimmy Kimmel, so
I didn't care. So I definitely assumed. So you should
have seen assumption. Similar recently, I watched that clip of
Young Thug on the Pivot talking about Mariah the scientists saying,
don't get a therapist like you got me whatever. But
when I watched the full context of it all, it
made so much sense to me as to why he

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would even think that way.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
And I don't think that's all coming from.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
A place he was coming from a place the wait second,
I didn't think it came from a place of selfish
It's like, I think it came from a place of
the lack of knowledge.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I was about to say it came from ignorance.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
That's like, like you can call someone out for ignorance.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
You chose to draw those those Wait, so can tell
you what I thought about it real quick, and then
we'll move on from this because we were on a
free speech When he is now exploring his feelings something
he's never done before. It's brand new, so he's feeling like,
I'm this is new to him, right, So he'll now
start talking to his family and friends. He's like, Okay,

(29:48):
well we got each other right now, this is something new.
I'm working on this and it's expanding him right. Eventually,
hopefully he'll grow to the next level, which is therapy.
I think you start opening out to those people that
know you first. Okay, I hopefully I'm safe here and
then go to the therapy. I think that he comes
from a place where he never knew. Bro, how many
people do not know what.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
The hell therapy is.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
They really still think that it's you laying on a
couch with a pillow behind you and a therapist.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Say mm hmmm, So how do you feel about that
he don't get what the therapy is? I get it.
I think you'll think that that's all.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
I don't think he'll get there, but I mean, yeah,
I don't think he'll get there, but I think.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
That I hope that he does, and I hope that
after that interview with the Pivot, he gets more and
more men that are emotionally mature and that can really
get him to that space.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It won't be overnight, but hopefully. I love it.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
I love that you're leaning into hopefulness. Assumptions, girl, things
you didn't finish. Jesus, that's like, girl, where do we
go without hope? We're not gonna talk about that. Actually,
let's get into that, because I literally had that conversation
this week about this literally.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
The same thing.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
So no, no, no, no, So the rapture was supposed to
take place last Tuesday. It did not mind you This
stemmed from a priest in South Africa who went viralhet saying,
prophet priest, we not going to sit here. It's all
the same, but just a different word none. Because prophets

(31:24):
are here to tell us. There are prophets, but there
are tons. Just as there are real prophets, there are
false prophets. So people believe that prophets are telling us
the future.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
He lie. He's straight from Africa.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well, by the way, he is a South African pastor.
He could be a prophet too. He had a prophecy
come to him. But he leads the church. His name
is Joshua Malekola. It's very tough, but he is who
so prophets again, pastor priests. He leads the congregation, all

(31:58):
the pastor's priests.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'll try in a minute while I think the word prophecy.
It's a big one, but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Well, this pastor pretty much went viral with his prediction
that the rapture was coming and that it would take
place on either September twenty third or the twenty fourth.
He predicted these dates, and the prediction of the dates
came with the alignment with rash Hashana. The start of

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the Jewish New Year and a date that many Christians
associate with biblical end time prophecies. Clearly, we're still here,
rig still do Trump stiled the president. We still live
in in this simulation where the aliens are laughing at
us now in terms of speaking about the rapture, and

(32:45):
I guess I'll let you get off your thoughts on prophecy,
because once again, this is part of the lines in
which we are on opposite ends of I am not
very religious, and it's interesting because I do want to
share why I had this conversation about religion this week,
leaning into your talk about hope. Now, don't want to

(33:08):
make this. I don't want to like anyone listening who
goes to church. Good for you, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Start your opinion.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
It's your decision to do so. It was just interesting,
y'all know. I live in Atlanta now and my best
friend had a baby dedication for a one year old,
dedicating her son's life to Christ and her church where
it was beautiful. It was also a production, and it

(33:39):
was interesting because going to this mega church. Let me
tell you how megachurchy it was.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Before I get.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Into my thoughts about why people go it was so megachurchy, y'all.
Devon Franklin came out on stage and talked about you
know what God had in store for him and proceeded
to share the trailer to his new Netflix show Ruth
and Boaz. So individual of church, y'all, I'm watching this

(34:07):
man pretty much promote his new Netflix show to the congregation,
which to me felt a little strange. It just felt
really productiony. Secondly, I ended up going to have lunch
at a steakhouse and sat at a bar by myself,
and as I'm mentioning what took place at this, the

(34:29):
lady across from me, who had just went to the
Falcons Commander's game, was like, oh, the church you went to?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Was this right?

Speaker 3 (34:36):
And I said yes, And so we had we started
having this deep conversation around religion, and it led me
to why I might be so anti religion and Carla will,
I would love to have this brief conversation.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I don't want to breath.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Let's make a brief a religious episode. But the conversation
stemmed around hope and I literally said, you know, I
like to use the sea word in terms of religions.
For many reasons. The sea word is cult.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
We also talked about the hypocrisy of how many times
the people that go to church day in and day
out are sometimes the most mean individuals. They're the most
hypocritical individuals, they're the most judgy individuals, and they don't
essentially align with the words of God. Right, And so
I ended up speaking to and Carla, if you can

(35:29):
pull up her name, I say this, the Jamaican Miss
Universe recently committed suicide. She hung herself in her bedroom
and it was left as a message on her social
media that the pretense of it stemmed from her no
longer believing that Jesus was here. Becai how much evil

(35:50):
there we got that tyra rip and it leads into
the fact that she just didn't see the purpose of
living anymore, because there's no way that there was a God.
There was no way that anything that was taught to
us through religious scriptures, that God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit,
any of it existed because of the evil that is

(36:11):
currently in like that we're living amongst. And so it's
interesting because back to my conversation, I literally said, the
reason that religion exists is for hope.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I said, there are.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
So many people that would unlive themselves or have zero
desire to live, whether it be their financial stakes, whether
it be the trauma, theyan dirt at the hands of
other individuals, whether it be just the miserable state, the
depression that they're living in.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
If there was no.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Hope that God was going to see them through, that
there was life after death, that heaven existed, that they
just had to keep showing up and things would get
better if they had no hope, which religion, that's essentially
what it gives you. Without hope, there's no reason to live.
And so, Carlo, what you just said about hope is
literally why I think people go to church all Sundays

(37:06):
and even believe in the God, the Higher Power of
the Holy Spirit Allah Mohammed, all these things because without that,
I genuinely believe that people would have no reason to live. So,
do you have a different yes, relationship with religion and
this idea of hope you said people need hope absolutely,

(37:28):
is that what.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Religion gives you.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Well, there's there's a thing called faith. Right, So going
back to the megachurch where you started, Like a church,
no matter how big or how small it is, is
not what defines Jesus. You just definitely said where two
are more gathered, I'm there, so we don't need this
huge bills.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
And so God be in the bedroom with us. You're gathered,
so we're more be gathering than the bed. And it
could be right now, this conversation that we're having.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
Right now, I can say something that will spark something
and someone else to say I want to get closer
to God. Or you can use your microphone to also
minister to someone and say get away away from the church.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Right, it's I want to wait.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I want to be very clear.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
I do not minister to push people away from their religions.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Someone can side with your opinion and said, you know what,
I also believe what she's saying. I I side with that.
I resonate with that. So Jesus is not found in lights,
They're not found in stages, and not how the music.
He's found in the Gospel. And you have to actually
read the word. So when we're focusing on a building,
his scripture is not there. Right, it comes from the
message that He was giving us. So we can't confuse

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the church being a vessel with the church being God.
The church is just a vessel to get us to
understand this perfect and unperfect size. So a megachurch can
feel like fake, like a concert, and you can't take
it seriously. And I get it because it's overwhelming. It
could be distracting, but you can't be blind to the
message that you're receiving. So now when we go over

(38:54):
to how do you, how do you take on this part,
Jesus is the focus, not the fear of the people
that are within that church that are sucking, fucking the
secretary taking.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
The money, you know, laundering money whatever.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
That shouldn't be our focus. There is evil if you
read the word, and it will tell you there is evil.
It exists, but there's a lot of when, so it's temporary.
He's over overcome this if we believe and we have
this faith. He died on the cross for our sins,
but the people around him still didn't believe in him.
There was literally a man next to him and he's like,
give your life to him. He's like, I know, I

(39:26):
won't see you. And there was a man who gave
his life right there. And then going back to the rapture.
False prophets aren't new, they're not forever. We had why
to k we had the cult of nineteen ninety seven,
the Heaven's Gate cult, where tons of people they did
a mass suicide, a literal mass suicide. They did the
eighty eight reasons why the ratual will be nineteen eighty eight.

(39:48):
There was still no rapture. I was born a year prior.
I would have only been one when it all ended.
So we have to also understand that we're about Jesus
when we take the faith out of when we take
Jesus out of it and we go to the church
itself and.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Devon Devon made this movie. I actually watched it. Let's
be very clear. I interviewed Soreya on Decisions Decisions. She
was a sweetheart.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Tyler Lepley is too fine to be on screen because
I didn't care what he had to say. I just
like looking at him. He is very harm and I
was hoping for a sex scene the whole time.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I want to do this.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I want you to go back to this idea of hope,
because that's yes. So the hope in the faith has
to be there. You have to believe in something where
do you anchor yourself. We are not the source of power.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
We know that because it comes up and it goes down,
it dims, we feel weak, we feel like we have
imposter syndrome, we get sick. We have to have an
anchor somewhere. So your spiritual health is going to come
with feeding yourself with the truth. Right, So when you
focus on the fear or on the building and the
people that are doing evil, then your heart gets hardened,
you get heavy, and then there's no way you can

(40:55):
believe in any of this. Right.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
So I would just say, feel your spirit with actually
reading the word. So to me, anyone that.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Comes to me and tells me about Christianity, that has
not opened that book, that is not sitting here every
day and saying, Okay, I want to do one hundred
days of studying the Bible.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I want to go through.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
And be like, okay, what am I talking about today?
I'm here with Isaiah forty six ten. I'm going to
declare this what what did the word really say?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Now? What Pastor J did my pastor have to say?
I can can I ask you? Can I ask you
a question?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Then, as a person who's not rooted in religion, there
was a question.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
You made a statement.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
And I mean I didn't know if you were asking
me that. But if I don't have a belief system,
are you asking why what I'm rooted in and why
I choose to continue living? That is constantly going to
be up and down. It's because it's not I've never
I've not I've never thought of unliving myself.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
One moment.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Let me let me, let me get my because when
you're I hear you talking, I open I've opened the
book I used to be in missions, right, But you
said that we have to believe in something, we have
to be rooted in something, otherwise we don't know, you know,
we don't have an angle or where we go or
why are you here if you don't believe in something?

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And it's interesting because I'm not in a place where
I don't want to be here. So like when I
hear you talk, I hear you, right, but from my
own personal experience, I don't really hear you.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Or understand what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Because as a person who's never not wanted to live
on this earth, mind you, with all the shit even
happening in America right now, I still America's the only
place I see myself and want to live. I know
everybody out here getting other passports to go elsewhere. I'm
still here. So it's interesting to hear you speak that
way and then me sit and be like, well, I

(42:58):
don't not want to be here because I don't live
a faith based life.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Well I don't think I'm talking about just unliving yourself right. So,
whether you don't believe in God, you have to believe
in something.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Even if it's yourself. Right.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
So whether you believe in science, whether you believe in
success is the power of it, whether you believe in
nothing at all, there's always a core belief shaping how
you live. So what holds you on when shit gets real?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
What has it?

Speaker 5 (43:24):
So without roots, you drift, You're constantly drifting. So a
double minded mind is always is in all his ways.
A double minded mind is unstable in all of his ways.
That's something that's from the Bible.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
So if you don't, if you're not where you're rooted,
you don't have to believe in what's crazy is I'm
r gravity to pull you down. There's gravity. Yeah, I
get that.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
But again I guess my roots come from, and maybe
my belief in happiness, which sounds like fucking the pursuit
of happiness bullshit, but it's where.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Do you when things get rough, when you're like it's dark.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
My therapist, I sit, I cry, I talk to myself,
for you know, there's not any higher power that I
think can fully pull me out. It's me sitting with myself.
I've had a lot of different relationships with myself. I've
viewed myself even as different entities in some cases. I
talk about it in my book, like I look at

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my younger self as a different version of myself. I
look at the person in my twenties is a different version.
It's just interesting hearing you speak this way about grounding
and rooting and belief when it's hard to say that
I believe in. I guess anything right now I live
with And maybe it's because I have a staunch like

(44:43):
perception of logic, like I see what I see, it's
right there. One of my least favorite subjects growing up
was history, and now I love it because what does
it do? Repeat itself time and time again. I look
at what's happened and what's happening right in front me,
and that's all I can do. So and I didn't
want to spend too much time here, but maybe this

(45:05):
is something I can bring to this.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Maybe it's my selective ignorance. That absolutely could be because
on my end, we change. We're constantly changing, so we
can't be the root of it all.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
My beliefs and what I feel right now can't be
the root of my living and where I want to
go because that's going to change.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
So again, we're forever evolving.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
So life is throwing things at us constantly that we
cannot handle alone. You don't handle anything alone. You have friends,
you have therapists, you have Wi's counsel. It doesn't have
to be in the spiritual space, but you have White's
counsel that you go to. We can't do it. We
were not created to do life alone. So you have
to believe in something, whether it's in those friends. But
those friends also have believed and that's.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Where it is.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, but I don't feel alone, and I said that
all the time as someone who's single as well, not
really single, because I got four boyfriends, so I'm really
not alone right now. But with my community, it's what
makes me not feel the loneliness even when I didn't
wait wait, because I also don't want to stay here
too long. Okay, like girl, we forty five minutes in
it way right top that I'd get excited, girl, you

(46:08):
be getting excited. But also I would love to know
your thoughts. If you're listening to this, then you feel
it in yourself to maybe explain it differently to me,
please hop in my DMS, I'm always open for conversation.
And this is why I love this platform so much,
because again I can maybe just acknowledge my ignorance, Like
maybe it's my ignorance and religion. Maybe it's my ignorance
and understanding. I think it's you know too, there's a

(46:31):
set I haven't here. Yeah, but there is no fear
like I have fear before the pandemic. I genuinely feel
like nothing is in our power. I feel like the
government had a hand in the pandemic. Like again I
lean into the conspiracy theories and a lot of it
seems to hold a lot of truth and sets and
somewhat facts. So to me, I mean, it's not I

(46:55):
don't live in fear anymore. Like if today's my day,
it's my day. But I I just want to live
in again. Maybe I am just living in the pursuit
of happiness and when I'm happy, and what's happy all
the things that make me happy sometimes just putting my
toes in the sand on a beach in an island,
being able to afford my own first class ticket in moments, that's.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
No if you have to ask eccession for your your
feet and get to know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I'm from Florida. I could go see my family, drive
to the coast and you know, like, babe, that's privilege
right there, you're having it.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
But Carla, rubbing.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
My toes in the sand is not success. There are
a lot of people, the homelessness and poor can go
rub their feet in the sand.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
When you ask me what's happening, Carla, Yes, they can.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
If you live in Florida, or you live anywhere where
there is water, you do not need a home, success
or money to go dip your toes in the water.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Why are you getting from here?

Speaker 3 (47:54):
You're not listening. You have to listen, Carla. I said,
for anyone who lives where there is beach, I'm talking
about land, but no, I'm talking about in general. You
said that success for me, You asked what brings me happiness?
Those are things, but those are things that can also
bring someone without success happiness.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
It's a homeless person.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
If a homeless person lives in Cocoa Beach or Tampa, Florida,
or Miami South Beach, they can go and dip their
toes in the sand and water. Dipping your dipping your
feet and toes in sand is not synonymous.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
To say that.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
I think you're taking it away. We're talking about you.
For you, in order to be able to do these things,
you have to be, right, Bro, what else makes me happy?
Sitting in the middle of a goddamn park? Like, there
are so many things that bring happiness to me that have.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Literally nothing they want to do, that have literally nothing
to do. Real quick.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
The fact that you're even able to sit in a
park for some time without losing your mind because you
don't have to work a sixteen eighteen hour day every
single day, then go home and take care of you
know what I'm saying, Like, that's part of your success
that allows you to have that.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
F that. But I know what I'm saying, But that's
I'm telling you that that is not what I was saying.
In terms of what brings me happiness is not synonymous
to success. And I say that because there is people
who deem having kids and being able to go home
to them every day as a success. Like yes, however,
you define happiness though, again, the things that I define

(49:24):
as happiness are not synonymous to success, and vice versa.
People we're gonna agree to disagree because it's absolutely not synonymous.
And you know, again, y'all, what shapes what shapes are
goddamn opinions.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Anyways, I want to get into.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Before I finished, I do want to say that when
I speak on these things, I'm not coming from a
place of I'm coming for a place of relatability.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I live with tons of fear. At times. I have
to check myself.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
There's times that I think I reach certain places that
I have to remind myself it was not just me.
There's so many other factors outside of it. So when
I talk about faith to you or to anyone listening.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
It's not coming from a place of perfection because I
am nowhere near clue.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
There's tons of times that I have fear. This is
a lot of times that I have doubt. There's it
hits me. I'm in the midst of that right now
as we speak, and then I lean further. So everyone
has what they lean into to feel better and to
succeed and to get that.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Like I don't know, just I'm not perfect.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
When I speak on these things, I speak on it
because when I read it, I feel it it happens.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
There's miracles that have happened in my life.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
There's things that have happened that I can't attribute it
to anyone else or anything else, but that is in
my life.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
That's why I tell everyone, don't take my word. Go
read that word for yourself.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
I can't only tell you what I read, what I
interpret it, how it goes, what it's done.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
But that is for you to interpret and go read it,
not just take my word yet take the word. Okay,
can move on. Woo we spent You know what's crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I started that segment off with let's be brief here,
and she said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be briefed. Yeah, yea,
yea yeah, Okay. I wanted to get into and I mean, clearly,
this is where I know you have far more opinions
on it than me. This week, Trump, after losing his
fight to Jimmy Kimmel, chose to pick another fight with

(51:18):
the CEO of Tailanol. He came out to pretty much say, hey,
if you really don't have to. Don't take tylanol because
it's what's causing autism out in these streets. He also
poked fun at Ozimpic, saying that he sees that it
works for some and doesn't work for others because some
people are still fat on the ozimpic.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
He is nuts.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
But this past couple days it's been very interesting because
since him saying this and coming forward Tilanaw, it has
been reported that doctor oz is now the face of
some other pharmaceutical carlic. Can you explain what is happening
right now as a mother of a child with autism,

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how this impacted you. I know, even during the week
you said you had to get offline.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
I did, I got off I didn't. I didn't want
to watch and I'm trying to pull up it's I herb.
I believe it's the company.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
But so they didn't never said that.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Taalana was the cause of autism. They're saying that it's
it could be a factor. But there there are no
tests on pregnant women right because it's anthing right to
treat a fetis, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Pregnant women, So that hasn't been done.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
So could Tavano possibly have costs some autism and some
people I don't know. Maybe, but then we also have
to think about that they drink, where they come from,
what is their food like, what is their environment, what
is the pollution. There's all these different genes and I
don't want to get into the science aspect of because
I don't fucking know that.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I gave birth to a child with autism. That's it.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
And I didn't take tabana. And then they tell you
what you did to spread out and not do and
the hebitize me, I didn't do those vaccines.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I only did.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
I did do some vaccine, but I spread them and
I only did about half of these that he needed
to do. Still have a child with autism, So to me,
it just feels like it's an attack and it's scary
to me where I feel like it's being labeled children
with autism and going back, I'm I have been public
and being like, you know what if there's and we
won't go into this, this will take us on a

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rabbit hole. I'm like, people were intellectual disabilities shouldn't have babies, right,
And I was like, you know, if you're completely intellectually disabled,
they shouldn't. And then I went down reading and learning
about the Beck versus Bell bet Buck versus Bell in
the nineteen hundreds, where it was like a family of
a young woman who was raped at a very young age,

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had the baby. They deemed her promiscuous and also she
had an intellectual disability. Now they started using that to
stop people of color and all these other people for
having kids.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
So I feel like.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Are they trying to do? What was that because I'd
like to look into that. That was versus h Buck
versus Bell, okay, and this.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Is a white family. And then it turned on into
they they they sterilized.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, we go we go
get into the okay, because that's the rabbit. But I
feel like they're putting people with autism into this bubble,
So like, what are we gonna do next? We're making
it a them thing. We're making it like, oh, are there,
they're less than people.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
We're gonna make now that people with autism what they
did with African Americans where we were like what was
it one third or one fis of a person?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Whatever? It was a three fence of a person three
fifths three fits? So is it are we going in
that direction? Also?

Speaker 5 (54:33):
He had a right hand man with him for the
whole beginning of his presidency.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Who is in the spectrum? Elon who? Elon?

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Yes, Asperger's Asperger's no longer is Asperger's Asperger's now.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
So that's so, and that's what I saw.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
It's interesting because when we talk numbers, when we talk
about what's really happening. So he pretty much said that
there was like either it was either forty or a
four hundred percent increasing die diagnosis of autism. However, in
and I want to pull the date because I don't
want to just be pulling this out my ass. But recently,
in the last two decades, they've now redefined autism by

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including a lot of other things in it. So, yes,
if you are now using an umbrella term, right, so
autism now includes five other disorders. Of course, the percentage
of people with autism is going to increase because now
you're including all of these other diagnosis and putting it
under the umbrella term of autism.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Like, so spectrum, it's not just autism, Well, there's there's there's.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
A spectrum of all the things like and when you
talk about behavior or health, and when you talk about
things like bipolar add ADHD, which let's be very clear,
oh C D all the d's, the a's, the d's,
the C is, the H and whatever. All when you
see here and have the conversations, and it's crazy because
I'm going to have another conversation about this. I dig

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into mental health. For so long these things autism, diagnosis
in general diseases.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Were viewed as a terrible thing.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
It's why even in the black community STDs there's another D,
people don't even they'd rather just not know, just go
and get tested. And so there's this huge thing in
terms of the healthcare system, pharmaceuticals and public fear back
to that word, fear of being told they're not perfect
or something is quote unquote wrong with that, the wrong

(56:36):
it's the wrong part, it's the wrong part. And so
hearing this man go up there and again this is
maybe why I don't have roots in any specific beliefs,
because he says this on one week and literally less
than a week later, it's now tied that he potentially
has some sort of business with another with another pharmaceutical company.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
So what is that there's something wrong with autism? And
now they're like telling a crossing it now let's go
and take this medication. So there's this medication now that
they're approving through that.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
Okay, what is thisica emptoms of autism? I don't know
what that symptom is going to be because everyone is different. Again,
we have a spectrum. Like today, if I get my psychiatrist,
if you want to get tested, because you're pretty probably
on the spectrum, and it's like, what was it going
to do for me?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Is it gonna give me a handicap sticker? Is it
going to give me some government health? I'd be wanting
a handicap sticker. I don't get nothing. I even got
a car.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I don't even got a car, And I'd be like,
why you ain't got a handicapped sticker?

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Even when I be in the car.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Because everybody got to I say it all the time,
everybody undiagnosed with.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Some shop something. Everybody. There's all kinds of mental health.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Everybody undiagnosed. I've been around now and again. Autism is
one of those things. I guess it's being we hear
more about it now. But if you watch Love on
the Spectrum on Netflix, that's a great place to start
to see how sweet these people are. They're so loving,
they don't lie. They're very blind. You might get a
spectrum too, they're very blind. They have zero filter the

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way that they say things. My son read Hungry Caterpillar recently,
over and over again.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
It was his buck.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
I'll you know what I don't like when people start
trying to diagnose people.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
That's what I don't like. No, I can tell you everybody, No,
I think everyone.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Everyone is on the spectrum.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
But that's the thing. Even even the way.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
You're expressing or explaining how these people behave right, everyone's crazy.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Well, and that's the crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
When we talk about the the roots or or expectations
or societal norms, it's like this one window of what
they consider to be right and everything outside.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Of that is wrong.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
And that's where in terms of of maybe why I
questioned fucking everything is because the government, these white men,
these these these motherfuckers who lean into false ways in
which they they they stem from greed, they send Christian

(59:06):
Christian beliefs, they stem from the patriarchy. There's all of
these things that we know are not quote unquote good.
But yet when we talk about how they and when
I say they, it's how the system of how we're
supposed to operate as human beings is outlined. It's outlined
and rooted in a goddamn white man's beliefs and with

(59:27):
the belief system and what's going to benefit them. So
this idea is too that we all have to be
diagnosed with with something because we don't align with how
they perceive to be right, like bro social awareness, social awkwardness,
social cues, bitch to what society is society.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
And when everyone lives on this device, everybody is socially awkward.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Everybody is socially awkward, but we don't know how to
have conversations. The technology is taking over.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
There's all these different things, but the of the day,
I feel like we need to play the game sometimes,
especially I go hold you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
We might need to bring we might need to bring
Steve Jobs back from the day. If you ask me.
There's a lot of autistic like the thing what's his name?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
The diagnosis of autism is increasing because of these goddamn phones.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
No, I think narcissism is increasing because of the phones.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
No, narcissism is increasing because you have to have validation
from people and you're able to do stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I think that's why that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Of people get but at the end of the day,
we go we're not because we're not gonna get it.
That us next week in one episode, it's gonna be
a thirteen hour show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
No, So I herb as the company that doctor Oz
has it says five to twenty five million dollars invested
into it, so he's part of it. It's one of
his companies, yes, that he's invested into. I looked it
up on robbin Hood last night because I said, well,
how much money can I put it into this?

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Because they create the medication and that now they're saying
that it's gonna be FDA approved for autism symptoms.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Which symptoms that is?

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
I don't know, but they're gonna make money off of it.
So I would say, if it's a publicly traded company,
y'all go ahead and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Buy some stock. I don't know. Don't believe me. I'm
not an expert on this, but I did see. I'm like,
there's a game to play here. They're playing a fucking game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
What is the end goal? Where's my child? That end
goal is to be rich? That is it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
They don't give a fuck about curing the symptoms and
if you're watching on video, it's the Salt Air quotes.
They don't give a fuck about humans, bro. We see
what the fuck they're doing with ice, We see how
to fuck. They don't give a fuck if you really
American or not. And now I'm using a whole bunch
of F words and saying all that. But what this
is where I come across and maybe again it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Delivery, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
I I have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Probably frustration more than anything with the hypocrisy around around
the people in leadership.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
They don't really give both about us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
And I say that too in hell of frustration because
they've just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Defunded a lot of the Planned parenthoods.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
And so when I was just in New York, I
went to Planned Parenthood, and mind you, there's a Planned
Parenthood that I've been going to for like the last
two to three years, and maybe I have never seen
the waiting room as packed as it was, and literally
it's because so many of the individuals in there post

(01:02:29):
November may not be able to get seen or be
able to go and visit and get the things that
they need. And so it just frustrates me to know that,
like now there's this thing to help autistic individuals, and
it's like, y'all don't give a fuck about helping people.
Look what y'all are doing to people who are actually

(01:02:50):
naturalized citizens and live here in this country, and are
the people the workers that we constantly girl, don't get
me goddamn started speaking of naturalized citizens and ice. Bad
Bunnie has been announced as the super.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Bowl half time performer.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
And I know and I know that that transition is
going to sound crazy, But we talk about selective outrage. Allegedly,
this is why people are outraged. So Bad Bunny was
recently announced as the Super Bowl halftime performer. However, this
comes after he also announced that he would not have

(01:03:36):
any tour dates in the United States due to his
fear of ice, and then potentially targeting his concerts as
it means to round up people that may or may
not supposed to be here, knowing that the majority of
his audience is Latino. Now, yes, I will say I

(01:03:57):
only know one Bad Bunny song, but I'm excited to
see him because I like how he gyrates.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
This is me with my.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Fucking selective ignorance, the bumping that little bumping his little
dick like I ain't not about it, about it. Don't
look it, don't look little, but he could have a
sock in there. I don't know, but I kind of
my algorithm happens. That's the only thing I know about
Bad Boney is his little dick jomp that he does

(01:04:26):
a little dick jump dance. Anyways, the people are confused
because they're like, wait, how do you not perform in
the US, but you choose to be censor stage for
the largest, one of the largest events that happens in America. Now,
I wanted to ask you your thoughts because I will
start with saying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Comprehension skills are left amongst us. I don't guy they
want to though. They just want to hate people do
just want to be outraged at literally anything.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
A full blown hate like there are there are so
many countries that are Spanish, so many, so many, like
Spanish is a huge language. But before we go there,
they want to be angry, they want to be outraged.
Bad Money did his Amazon concert of the last one
in Porto Rico, wrote eleven million viewers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
It literally tripled what Beyonce and all these other people
have done before. Right, that's one. He is huge and
it's kind of stupid to even address it as.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
To why they're like, oh, he said he won't coming
over here, but he wants our dollar again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
I can't believe people still don't know this. People do
not get it, not that he wants our dollar.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Well, yet, there's not one that gets paid to be
part of a super Bowl. They actually have to pay
out of their own po to create this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
This production.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
That's the NFL gives them a budget, but a lot
of times they come out of pocket to do even
more of what they want to do. That's one, they're
not getting the American dollar for this. Yes, the streams
then go up and they make money off of that,
but that's number one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Two.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
Hey, sus Pedro and Maria from down the street that
is running from Ice because they came here with their
families to have a better life, is not going to
be spending seven thousand dollars to get a ticket for
the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
It's not happening. That's a different type of hate. Suos
and Pedro is going to be there, but it's not
the one that's running away from Ice trying to make
sure they can take care of their family while cleaning
Trump's fucking toilets. That's what he's saying that he wants
to protect.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
Is that bad? How do we not understand that the
people that are arguing about, oh now you want to
come up with on do this word? You can't even
afford to go to the super Bowl. The super Bowl
is I agree Ice is not going to be out there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
I agree Ice is not targeting the Super Bowl, whether
a Latino performer takes the center.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Stage or nine is an American. He was born in
Puerto Rico. He is from Puerto Rico. He is a
naturalized born American citizen. All of us are American citizens.
I am a little nervous. I feel like we're gonna
be the are supposed to go when he gets rid
of everybody else. Then the Puerto rican is actually the
way the actually before Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I would say Hawaii because Hawaii done with people even
coming there to be tourists like Hawaii, Hawaii gonna be
the parts to just not be a part of a state.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Though we're just a territory. So I feel like you
can get rid of wa Hawaii is a state bitch,
which is crazy. Anywhere Hawaii is a state. Weird fight.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Well, their bad bunny is in the side of Puerto
Rico where he does not want to become a state.
They want to be independent, they don't. They do not
want America to be governing them the way that they do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
That's that's why a part of me, while you were
getting your ship off, I was like, Eh, Puerto Ricans
don't really.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Say the American yes that real quick when the Dominican's
been trying to say something. Bitch, I'm American. Go here
with your little boat. I can get here in jet
blue that you gotta sweep. This is what I could
come on spirit. Well, this is where you take it
to fall. That's insane.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
That's that's like the rude thing I'm telling you. Puerto Ricans,
we know very clear that we are American. We are
very clear on that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I think that's I think that's the frustration though, that's
the frustration. Right Like in terms of the Latino community,
there's like now it's now this this I'm seeing it
be segregated the same way we are as as there's
African Americans.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Then you had Nageria.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Then you even got right now, bitch, Tea Savage and
Tyler got like a little rip between Nigerians and South
Africans for their how they show up as apologists to
the United States and our culture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
It's just a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Yeah, So Ta Savage Savage went on the Breakfast Club
and apologized for Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
And her and her comments on being colored and.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
From South bast Yeah, from such, she didn't want to
became colored, right or she don't want to be girl.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
So so Tiwa who is from Nigeria apologized for taila girl.
Tala hops on that goddamn Golden Golden the Global Citizen
stage and said sorry, but I'm not sorry, bitch. How
are you gonna sit up there and apodcast for me?
And you come from a whole other country with a
whole different history, like Nigeria does not have the same

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history that is rooted in South Africa and the apartheid
and everything that happened because they were colonized by two
different people.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
And that's the same thing with Hispanics, right, Puerto Ricans
are Americans. But at the same time, there's so much colorism.
There's so much of it. It's like that's how I
don't understand the Cuba's like some of them, some of
us have more African roots than others just because of
the way that literally the slave trade came.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
They're more right now. I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
First off, you like that bunny, you wanted to go
to Puerto Rico, so I know you're excited, but it's
not there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
It's different. Why I wan to go. I was born
in Puerto Rico. The things that he talks about is
my upbringing. I up there.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
I was born there, I went to school there. I
ate there's the things that he's talking about. When when
Mark Anthony came out, he's singing from nineteen ninety nine,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Makes me cry, like that's precious, that's precious, beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
It's calling like a beautiful, calling the island beautiful, and
it talks about how the Indians were there and how
the colonizers came, and how beautiful the beaches are.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
No matter how much they done, you can't call them anymore.
They're Native Americans. Who's Native Americans? No, we have the Indians.
We have you know, Indians, Oh but those are you know?
And yeah, we we had Indians and they're called there's different,
three different types. Do you call them Indians? Yeah? The
Indians was there. We call them India, but Indians from India.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Okay, there's certain No, they're Diino Indians. We have different
types of Indian tribes that were in Puerto Rico before
the slave trade and the Europeans came.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
And what were they native to Puerto Rico?

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Yeah, yes, okay, so it's still kind of native Indians
only because Indians are Indie from me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
It wouldn't be Native Americans. That'd be like native Puerto
rican I don't know who named the Puerto Rico that part.
I don't fucking know. I was born in my versus,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
It's interesting because allegedly Adele and Taylor Swift turned down
the haftime performance slot. This is alleged I thought, I'm Taylor.
I'm more excited, and you know what, I wouldn't have
cared to see. I don't think that Adele her music
makes sense for a halftime performance. It's the same way
I think it's sometimes interesting when they have R and
B singers on certain festival stages.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
I just don't think that would make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
And then Taylor, I'm just not a fan. So I'm
more excited to see the dick jump dance, even though
I won't understand a word.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
He's he's gonna make it so culture. He's literally bringing
Puerto Ricoh, he's the world stage. Oh girl, it's gonna
look like Orchard Beach. So I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Fuck the American flight, bitch, we go see the Puerto
Rican played this. We're gonna be a Puerto Rican parade
world one one hundred per sect. I already told my
friends here locally, I'm throwing a party. Everybody needs to
wear a bandana of Puerto Rico as a shirt. We're
gonna eats. And I do want to say one thing
that Tina, the Taino Indy that just looked at it,

(01:12:18):
was that I don't want to be like that one
Porto Rican. That's fuse fixed wrong stuff. They started in
South America and migrated to the Caribbean islands around twelve hundred,
so they were in Puerto Rico, Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic,
in Jamaica, so Jamaica also, okay, Tino Indian.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
So then we got taken over by the white in
the slave trade. But AnyWho, bad money. I'm hell fucking
excited about it. I think he's great. I love the
fact that he'll do Jimmy Kimmel or any of those shows,
and when they ask him something, he'll answer in Spanish,
and he's like, I want to really articulate this. He
can speak English, but he's like, I'm not gonna be
able to give it that hit and the answer I won't,

(01:12:51):
so he just gives it an in Spanish, and he's so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
He loves his island.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
He loves his country, and it makes us who are
no longer there really be like, man, that is so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Thank you for making us love the island even more
when we're not living there. Yeah. I did a few
years of Spanish class and didn't get what you got.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Didn't get far enough to listen to Spanish music or
reggaeton or salfa or or it's I just don't I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
The words enough. I enjoy saying half the time he's like,
young thug, what are you saying? He doesn't stay with
his money. I understand tha, No, I don't do that.
I don't under do that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
And I understand tha enough to not like some of
his new music, which I'm upset by, but nonetheless, none
the less. Nonetheless, y'all, this was I hope it made
you feel something some because that's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
That's the point of this goddamn show. I enjoy these
types of conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
I enjoy conversations with people with differences of opinions, and
I think it's important to continue those I just over
the last week, these four topics specifically have been just
where my mind has literally fell down rabbit holes. And
I don't know how much you guys care about these things,

(01:14:08):
but would love to know what conversations you would love
for me to have with a guest, and if you
have the idea of the guests you want to sit
with that you know I have a difference of opinion
about I love to understand. I love to make sure
we understand each other, and I love to just have
these open conversations. And again it's why I was like,
what or.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Am I right? It's gonna be taken away from me?
Hate it now. When they say they're gonna shut you up,
that's when you care. You're like, oh no, bit like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Bitch, the idea of having to shut up, Yeah, if
you want a cade, okay, okay, my right to talk
on a microphone, oh bitch, I will hop on a
goddamn plane to go get an abortion. If I had
to like this, the women's rights we've all been having
a final with that unpaid wages, the white women getting
more than the black women in the same sex conversation,

(01:14:57):
Like there are things that maybe I get it, I mean,
and I'm here fighting for it. Will I see a
change in my lifetime? I do not know, But I'll
continue to be a pioneer of the things I'm doing.
But maybe you take away my voice. My voice actually
may be what I live for. The idea that I
can literally being able to live, being able to live.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
And express myself. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
If I were able to express myself, if I lived
in some of these countries where literally as a woman,
I can't even have an expression of fashion because I
have to cover myself whole. The idea that I can't
speak or be educated or continue learning or have these
types of conversations, Bro, I would be devastated, Like what

(01:15:41):
is life if I can't have these types.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Of Can we point out that this was the reality
of our grandparents were fool?

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I get it, and I know we're not just crazy
that we've made this problem, But so I'll continue being
a pioneer. Will I see the changes seeing that they're
still people that live through the Holocaust. The civil rights
bitch is the Titanic. We don't live through the nine
to eleven terrorist attacks, a pandemic like are so a

(01:16:12):
rapture that didn't come y two K. So for me,
I don't have much hope in seeing change here because unfortunately,
as we take one step forward, we get pushed ten
steps back. But yes, I understand it's the reality of
some of our grandparents, our great grandparents, and I know
that it's all honestly, Carla, like I said, the reality

(01:16:33):
of people that are living right now, just in other
parts of the world. And so for me, that's what
scares me. Bro. I don't know what I would do anyways, y'all,
if if we made you think episode mission accomplished, if
we made you feel upset, angry, if we made you
teeter with our side, you know that you that you

(01:16:57):
stood on you know there's that too. So Carla, can
you let the people know where they can find you,
where they can listen to you, where they can support you,
where they can probably dis fucking agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
I love disagreements because it also gets us to think about.
So this is why I love that you have this
platform as well. But you can find me anywhere on
social media at car Lobel Maris.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
I am the founder of Idea to Launch Podcasts and
production so anything podcasting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
If you're trying, you've been sitting on an idea for
a podcast and you're like, I can't do it. Look,
Mandy and I.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
Clearly are in our homes right now with a microphone
and a computer recording this episode that you're watching and
or listening to. And I can help you do the
exact same thing. Help you set up your studio for
a very It does not have to be expensive Mandy's is,
but I can help you do so without it being
expensive and still giving you studio quality and video. And
we are coming and launching podcasts PhD very soon before

(01:17:51):
the start of before the end of the year. That way,
by the time twenty twenty six comes, that you've had
that idea of podcasts and you can get it out
there for entrepreneurs, creatives and all the fun stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I love it, and y'all, as always, you can catch
me on my other podcast Decisions Decisions. If you are
in Atlanta, you can catch me every Saturday from six
to eight. We are off the clock on Hot one
seventy nine. And of course, thank you for everyone supporting
this venture. We are only I don't know, we're less

(01:18:20):
than forty episodes in and the conversations to me have
been powerful. I want to shout out to all the
guests that have been here. And of course we are
moving to two times a week. I know we've done
it just a little bit, but we are. I have
my setup and we are locking in to bringing Selective
Ignorance to you every Tuesday and every Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
But until then, y'all, this is selective.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Ignorance, where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
See you Friday next week. Thank you by y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
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Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Thanks for tuning in the Selective Ignorance of Mandy B.
Selective Ignorance. It's executive produced to Buy Mandy B. And
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Jason Mondriguez.

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