Ep. 35 | Public Outrage: Don Lemon, Kim Kardashian & a Whyte Halftime Show

In this episode of Selective Ignorance, host Mandii B is joined by super producer A-King and journalist Jayson Rodriguez for a vibrant, unfiltered conversation that spans pop culture, politics, personal growth, and the beauty of life’s everyday moments. The episode opens with an introduction and book promotion [00:00], setting the tone for a thought-provoking and entertaining discussion that seamlessly blends humor, insight, and cultural critique.

The hosts kick off with current events and cultural commentary [00:51], diving into the latest headlines shaping society — from celebrity antics to political hot takes. Their witty banter and sharp analysis keep the energy high as they connect seemingly small pop culture moments to larger societal trends. The conversation naturally transitions into personal reflections and life’s joys [02:52], where Mandii, A-King, and Jayson share intimate stories about finding gratitude and balance amidst chaos. They remind listeners of the value in celebrating the simple things — from shared laughter to moments of stillness — that often get lost in the pursuit of success.

The dialogue deepens as they examine the concept of the “ride or die” mentality in relationships [05:57], unpacking how loyalty, love, and sacrifice are often romanticized at the expense of self-worth. Through personal anecdotes and cultural references, the trio explores how this mentality impacts both men and women, ultimately asking whether unconditional loyalty still has a place in modern relationships.

Moving into political commentary and social issues [12:13], the hosts tackle current events with their trademark candor, discussing how systemic challenges and shifting political landscapes influence everyday people. They then speculate on upcoming events and performances [23:51], weighing in on what fans can expect from major stages like award shows and festivals while reflecting on how performance culture mirrors broader societal values.

The conversation takes a sharp turn as they explore the price of fame and acceptance [35:52], dissecting how public figures often struggle with maintaining authenticity while catering to fan expectations. This leads into a fiery discussion on Don Lemon’s controversial statements [36:51], where the trio breaks down his remarks on race and gun ownership, examining how media narratives continue to shape — and sometimes distort — conversations about identity and justice.

From there, the group delves into the nuances of race and identity [40:08], tracing how personal background, privilege, and perception intersect in defining who we are. They expand this reflection with a conversation on immigration and belonging [43:31], acknowledging the shared struggles and cultural hybridity that form the American experience. As they explore the melting pot of American history [45:25], the hosts challenge listeners to consider how the nation’s diversity can both unite and divide, depending on perspective and power dynamics.

Shifting to a more personal lens, Mandii and her co-hosts unpack the politics of gift giving and relationships [48:35], discussing how material gestures often serve as reflections of love, validation, or obligation. The episode culminates in an honest and heartfelt discussion about navigating family dynamics and acceptance [01:03:25], where the hosts address the emotional complexities of being seen and understood — especially in families confronting issues of identity, tradition, and change.

Throughout the episode, Mandii B, A-King, and Jayson Rodriguez offer a rare balance of humor, honesty, and intellect, creating a conversation that feels both deeply personal and universally resonant. Their insights invite listener

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

(00:03):
before we get to this week's episode, I want to
remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel
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just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or

(00:23):
wherever you read your books.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Again.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
That is No Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual
exploration and power, written by yours truly and my co
host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy. Make sure y'all
get that. Now, let's get to this week's episode. This
is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of
The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Hey guys, welcome
to another episode of Selective Ignorance with you girl me

(00:50):
Mandy B. And we are getting into all the t y'all.
I want to be our rapper so bad. This is
why I love making things rhyme. We're kicking it off
with talking about Don Lemon. This week. He's out here
telling black and brown folks to get they guns and
arm up against ice. First of all, the way my
anxiety is set up, y'all already know my thoughts on

(01:12):
gun policies, I'm not telling you this. But also I
have some words for Don Lemon, so y'all are gonna
hear that coming up. We are also talking about a
very white super Bowl halftime. Yes, I know we talked
about by Balney doing the super Bowl halftime show, but
there is another halftime show being brought to you by
Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA channel, and they're doing a

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theme programming around faith, family, and freedom. Now when we
think of whites, don't we already think of freedom. I
don't know why freedom has to be involved here. Maybe
take us from the shackles of this type of group chat.
We're also getting into Kim Kardashian talking about co parenting
with kan Ye West, and I'm gonna throw a trigger

(01:55):
warning out here. I don't know how I'm not gonna
get canceled because I don't want to get canceled. But
the people who have to deal with people with mental
health disorders, it gets tricky when you have to talk
about it, And so I will talk about my thoughts
on Kim Kardashian and what she chose to share about
dealing with Kanye West and all of his manic episodes,
on top of sharing my personal experience with people who

(02:17):
are un freaking Well, then we're leaning into I guess
confirmation bias is now the new term for selective ignorance.
Tammy Roman sat on a podcast with Candy Burrs and
talked about how her storight daughter could bring all her
toxic boyfriends over to Thanksgiving Dinna, but her lesbian daughter

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cannot bring her female partner over and she explains why.
But then also, Tammy, I got some words for you too.
This is selective ignorance. We're getting into it. And I
am joined today by my Superfriendza. We got a king

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joining me right here, looking very sad, looking very annoyed.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Already I'm fuddled.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
And then we have journalistic Jason straight from He's from Jersey,
but we got him in the building to hopefully I
would say, correct me on if I'm wrong, I'll be
wrong sometimes a gentle nudge, a gentle nudge. Also, he

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has his keyboard up and ready to not only play
us our clips, but again give us all the insights
so that we are highly informed. And it's so crazy
because I got a comment recently then let me know
that this show for them is how they keep up
with what's going on like in the world. And I said,
oh baby, don't let this show be that for you.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Do not it is that.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
We come right. We cover so much because so much
is happening.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's always happening, and it's what and what I love
to is like digging into like.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Everything what people get, you know, just all about.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So I wanted to start this week off actually because
this is where my mind goes when I have some
free time. So I celebrated my birthday a couple of
weeks ago. Thank you. I'm really old. Oh my god,
thirty five. I'm about to just tell everyone I'm twenty eight.
I no, first off, I bleach this. It's funny because

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I was like, I think I'm gonna I think twenty
eight is going to be my age that when I
have to start lying about my age, I'm going to
forever twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's good numbers. I told you got to do tricky
numbers that aren't like, yeah, twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
It's one of those where it's.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Like, we won't remember twenty eight, and if you're thirty
five that will remember.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
That's when you not not even they won't remember it.
But twenty eight is one of those where because I'm childish,
people still consider twenty eight like.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
You still got some time to grow up, bitch like,
But I would count thirty one is better because then
because then people don't have to be waiting for you
to turn thirty. If you're thirty one, just past the threshold.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
You know what, I'm not gonna lie young enough that
one's young enough. I like thirty one, you know what
I think you? Okay.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I was in a meeting yesterday and the lady said
that I looked like I'm thirty. She said, wow, old
are you guys like? And she said, you look thirty?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I said, well.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
There, I'm thirty. What it is, I'm thirty? Okay. Also
very problematic take that just crossed my mind, because y'all,
this is how my mind works, and looking at you
and us talking, this is gonna be a really problematic take.
You look older when you're fatter, and so when I
be looking at older pictures of like when you and

(05:43):
I met, we we looked older. Well, we had more
pounds on us. It's crazy because okay, outside of the
people doing the Ozmpic and getting the face sunken, when
you lose weight, you just actually look younger.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
That's not a hot take. That's that's that's not anybody.
If anybody takes offense to the then they just because
and they.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Look old that you be carrying that cholesterol in your cheeks.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yo, Yo, I remember Yo, and Jay I don't. I
don't think I ever remember Jay's being heavy, but he
definitely went. I remember he started. He was one of
the ones that started, like the whole hip hop running
cats in our in in our world doing the running ship,
you know, the Nike whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Don't get ahead, don't you gransformation.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Too, he got.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
He wasn't big, but you could tell he took lifestyle face.
Oh yeah, so you're right, Jason.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
So are you gonna go on the Breakfast Club and
say that Gunna just want to be you?

Speaker 5 (06:43):
You?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think you see my metal right there? I got
my Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
That is crazy you pointing. If y'all want to see
where Jason.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Was playing k Jason kJ listen, head on over to.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Our patreon's Patreon dot Combat Slash selected ignorance, So I
wanted to talk again. Birthday just passed, so thank you,
thank you very much. So I had some free time
because something was going around. A bitch got sick, and
so I was out bad. Had you saw? I spent
a bag on the meds, And that's what I also realized,

(07:16):
Here goes my mind working. I realized how much I
don't like medication. But I'm also not like a naturalist.
So I bought my therapy flu my mucinex, my sudafid
or whatever the little thing to put in the nose,
and then, like a true black person, also gatorade, because
I know y'all do the gingerrel For me, it's the gatorade.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
When you do the gatorade, it just.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Gives you the electro lights you need. So I had
some free time, so I go to watching TV, not
sure how I landed here. For anyone who knows me
knows I love sci fi. I talk about my love
for sci fi, and I realized I hadn't ever watched
Mais Runner. So I get into the trilogy that is

(07:57):
May's Runner, and I watch all three and it's so
crazy because and I might have said this on this
podcast before, maybe back when I was I don't know,
but I'm sitting here watching it and again May's runner.
I can I can do a quick if you haven't
seen it. The first one came out in twenty fourteen,
second one came out in twenty fifteen. Third one came

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out in twenty eighteen. It is based off of a novel,
but it puts you in this like fictional dystopian world
where basically we have to know by now the world
is gonna end by one of two things. Right, It's
gonna end by natural disaster and an asteroid or something's
gonna hit it and the whole world's just gonna go

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up in flames and be gone. Or a virus, which
is why literally COVID we were living and what I
thought was about to be the end of the world.
So I'm watching this and clearly it's about a virus. Also,
clearly the fucking cure is inside of this average white BORLCE,
which was crazy as well. But I'm watching it and

(09:03):
you have all these you have all these goddamn zombies.
You get the virus, you end up turning into a zombie.
And so I'm watching this movie and immediately my mind
goes to because my mind is not normal, and I'm like, damn,
like people would want to live in a world where

(09:23):
there's like no clubs or caviar. I'm like, I'm like,
they not even having sex, like nobody's hunching, like so
there's no there's no sex, there's no clubbing, there's base
there's no music, there's like everything that are Like niggas
ain't even just.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Sitting around watching TV.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
They sitting around getting ready for war at all times
of the day. And so I'm watching this and I'm
exhausted watching them live this life trying to live, if
that makes sense. And so I'm watching this and I'm like, damn,
if I had to wake up every day knowing I
had to fight for my life, would I want to
live that way?

Speaker 4 (09:59):
And I said, bitch, no, this looks downtive.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, here's the thing when I when I when I
was growing up, and when I say growing up, like bitch,
in my twenties, I used to always watch these movies
and be like, bitch, God wants me to outlive all this.
So I already know I'm gonna be in the library
at the end of the movie when all we have
to do is shut the door and apparently outrun a tsunami.
Like you ever see those goddamn movies where it's like, now, bitch,

(10:25):
how is this the only building standing holding all these niggas?
So but I would be like I would be in
that building. So I'm watching this though, and I'm literally
just like, what are some of the joys of life
that I absolutely could not imagine living without that would
make me want to just be like zombie, take me now.

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And it's funny because I'm talking about my best friend Crystal,
and my mind immediately went to fucking Caviar, which is dumb,
but I don't know, I just really like Caviar lately,
Richie rich bitch shit. But I started genuinely thinking about
the small things that make me happy and what I
probably wouldn't be able to do if every morning I
had to wake up thinking about how I'm going to

(11:08):
survive today because there's so much out there that could
destroy it, right, And so going out and listening to
music was one. I love live music, so I'm just like, well,
if there's a fucking virus and zombies out here, nigga,
there ain't gonna be no live music. We can't just
hit up the blue note and see somebody fucking perform.

(11:30):
So I was like, damn, that would be something I
realize I can't give up. But then I started thinking
about how many other countries women don't have the rights
to do stuff and where we're headed now. When I
tell you sick of the dog, I'm gonna blame the
therap flu. My mind started thinking about all the things
I like and what I wouldn't want for zombies, but

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then what we're risking currently with not being able to
get abortions, Like, bitch, I literally, yeah, I'm living a
this ain't even a blue state. Luckily, I still got
my healthcare up in New York, but only till next month.
And I'm like, if a bitch gets pregnant, I gotta
hop on a flight and go get an abortion, which
is also crazy. That's a different type of rite, but

(12:13):
my mind just started spiraling around that. And what's funny is,
if you guys listen to my episode with Carla I
recently got into this show called Task spoiler alert, there's
a moment in the main character's last part of it,
right that literally goes to talk about what I said
here on the podcast about faith and how religion and

(12:37):
beliefs mind you. He's in the car with a former priest,
and so he's talking about when people came and confessed
their sins to you, it was for forgiveness and to
continue living on. But why were they continued to continuing
to live on? Do you believe in life after death?
And of course the priest did, and he was like,
well I don't. And so again these two things that

(12:57):
I'm sitting here watching has me thinking of what gives
me purpose in life and what things do I genuinely enjoy?
And so, yeah, it was caviar, it was live music,
it was my friends.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
It was also like the last time you had a
grilled cheese?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
You know what's crazy? Yesterday I went to a Cabasi
event and that girl cheese was hidding. I love grilled cheese, okay.
But one of the other things was the simple joys
of like my friends on my birthday just came over
and we did a charcouterie board sentiment right, and I
was just like, damn, if the end of the world happens,

(13:36):
these little things that we take normally for granted, not caviar,
but live music, hanging with your friends, being able to
just fucking put cheeses and meats on a goddamn what
a board? You You probably don't have dairy if zombies
are taken over. So this is but I do want

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to ask y'all world is ending?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
What are probably if we only survive a mode?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
It's like us.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
First off, y'all are lucky. I am doing this just
drinking espress. So can y'all imagine if I did this
fucking podcast high we gotta do?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Y'all have to know a photo put the Mandy put
in the group chat with the meds like a bag.
I'm telling you it was. It was like the window
shopping video, but with Meds. She just put it down.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I said, hey, guys, I'm sick. We can't do the
podcast tomorrow. But yeah, what what things do you guys
realize are small joys of life that if zombies took
over we didn't have a life that you realize it
wouldn't be worth fighting those zombies to live without. And
I would like the listeners to let me know y'all

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thoughts too. If you're on Patreon, drop it in the
comments here. But this is how my brain works and.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Put your location too, so we know to stay.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
With your chop that pin.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
What are what are the what are the things? It
all things of life's joy that would make you like
if I can't have this, I don't want life. That's all.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Freedom, just to be being, just.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Being able to just get up and go.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
So that's why you fight for it?

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Noah, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I'm not. I'm not trying to go for wherever you're
trying to go with it?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
You know, No, what does that mean? That means you're fighting.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
I'm fighting the state. I'm fighting for normalcy, to keep normally.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
So you would actually try to outrun the zombies to
try to get back to a normal life.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Then to be one? Yes, No, I don't want to
be one, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Live a terrible life trying to find a cure to
get rid of the zombies to work.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
You've seen walking Dead and all of them, right, yeah,
they're all fighting for that. Look, then you're just gonna
have a bunch of zombie eating each other.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Nigga.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I feel like the zombies probably having more sex than
the nigga's trying to stay alive. Zombies get maybe they
are getting, they are they feel eating that zombieuci.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
They don't need, they don't have to wait their mouth
and they don't.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Listen. You trying to say, like Jason, you're gonna become
a zombie with me?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
What three things I'm asking? Not right with three small with.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Three small things would make you be like, just take
me now, because it's going to be gone in this
life of trying to outrun zombies.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I mean, you know, deep one is like my daughter's laugh. Okay,
oh not so not so deep one is like, you know,
like hearing DJ Premiere scratch when he produces a record. Okay,
so like the sound of a basketball right, like I
love hoop, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Like Jason said, Jason said, all the all the NBA
and DJ Premiere take me.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Down, done, put me to sleep, put it down. Okay,
I'm not mad at that. I'm I'm I'm not well.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Just wanted to share that was like my little update.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
What if you're not a zombie yet, but you see
a zombie approaching is one of your favorite podcasters?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
First off, I'm running from them niggas when they're not zombie.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
If it has to be has to be like like
somebody fine that like you've always wanted to play.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
First off, they're not gonna be fine when they turn.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'm sorry, somebody I still have that swagger. His skin
would just not be as good.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Let's be very clear. If I'm a zombie and another
nigga I don't like is a zombie, I'm a find
a way to kill that niggas.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Zombie.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Is everybody dying at the end of the day. Anyways,
let's get into our double down or take it back.
Jason this week chose to pull one of my tweets.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
And my tweet.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
My tweet was in a response to our friends over
on the Need to Know podcasts who recently sat down
and had a conversation with our good old light skin
front Ish and here's what was said. How do you
feel about the concept women still being ride to die
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
They trying to get rid of the term rod to die.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
They say it's pretty toxic.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Why do you think they're calling it toxic?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
The Dohuk fight before Fannie and Clyde relationship was praised.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
I think it's still praised. You don't have to take
it to that extreme where we're robbing banks together. What
I'm saying is I think the term ride to die
relates to you giving one hundred for each other. We
both are equally invested in the same exact thing, and
we're willing to give it, are all.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think you stupid. If you ride in the not
ritten then you dump.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
That's equal for the man you have the dude this
ride and then surely not trying to ride.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
I think he's dumb. You know what I'm saying. It's
just this misconception that women.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
Nowadays are giving way more than with the men are given.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
So my response was that ryd or die actually means
dumbest bricks. And why I wanted to call out my
thoughts on this is because I completely disagree with Ish
fifty percent. And here's why ride or die has never
in the history of mankind been a term applied to

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a man and how he.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Shows up song is called ride or die has always right.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
It's never a writer die, dude, me, me and my
friends never be like we want a nigga who ride
or die like bro. So the way that it's trying
to make it sound like it's about both of y'all
writing for each other and willing to die for each other.
No like ride or die has always been how dumb
a woman would show up and be for a man.

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And so that's where that's why I think that that
that term is just dumb, and it's why I always
say I ain't write or die. If you get locked up,
I'm not writing you in jail. If you do a
crime in front of me, I'm snitching whatever gets me off.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
She's one of those dudes in the movie that goes
with the crime boss when the number two gets not.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Listen, I'm gonna show up like Steve Harvey wife. I
don't know if y'all know. She was dating one drug dealer.
He got locked up, She went to the drug dealer cousin,
then got with Steve Harvey.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Mind you.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Then was wait until Steve Harvey made all the monies,
then said, you know what, I'm naming all my kids Harvey's,
even if they're not. So I'm operating like Marjorie Harvey
out here. Okay, But you know, the the rider die
to me has just never applied to men.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
It's always hidding, like you know, what's understood don't need
to be said. Maybe it's understood, should be understood that
a man is going to have a woman's back regardless.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I would love to know in the history of mankind
when a man has been a rider died for a woman.
Please bring it up.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Let me ask my husband, Chutch ept gonna be like, sorry, man,
he cannot find that.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Three results j Grizela, they have a man.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
They look at you.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now you're going to a king Pinny.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I wouldn't know who was who was her partner? Was
he right or die?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
She probably had mad niggas? You going straight to Griselda?
Is that is that what you said?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That's crazy?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Queen Pinn.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Also say how wild it is, which I love and
I never even put this to it that three black
men chose to name themselves after a goddamn king pin.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Woman that I love. That that's powerful. No, that is
are you waiting?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Are you looking up Brazilda's niggas?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Because I think I did see a docu docu series
where she had a couple of players.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Now, I thought it's funny that you said that women
don't be in a circle talking about they want to know.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
We don't ever say that that's what we want from
our man is for them to. But maybe it's also
because to me, we expect our men to be leaders right,
by the way, not not chatchap t still thinking she
had she had two husbands, Okay, why did one die Alberto?

(21:59):
By the way, this is to me off that she
is going all the way to be ce c. There
is like nothing in the twenty first century of men
writing and dying.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
For women can be a new concept.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Maybe it's just trying to say that maybe we need
to adapt to new methodology.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Is how we need to.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Adapt prior to their divorce, It's given prior prior to
the divorce. A king was Patpoofs, a writer died.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Dude, ma oh here we go, I would say, so
I think he I think he yes, I think he
understood the sign it and he was he was, he was.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
He didn't have to do it. Based on the time.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
They had she was they had yeah, that one. She
was locked up just before they got married, before they
had kids. And this is when I worked at MTV News.
And I remember I woke up one morning, I checked
my BlackBerry this I know how long ago you know
it was, and Patpoos wrote me this long message and
he was like we're married now, He's like, I got
married to her whatever, And I looked at my black parenty.

(22:55):
I was like, holy ship. I ended up breaking that story.
But yeah, but that that's that's you broke.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
The story that Pappoos and remy Ma were married.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
They got married when she was in jail, when she was.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Here, he was before the crime was my thing.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, that's but that is an example. There's not many.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
You have to know.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Maybe at the time he really liked her pussy in
one of the conjugal visits he got married. But but
you know, you have to you have to be married
in order to have the conjugal visits.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Look at you putting something so love but you don't
get that the cold ass hard man.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, cold right, Like that's the only way he could.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Have got Why did he marry her before she loved her?
He believed in who who she was, So y'all really
don't think that Pappoo's steps out at all wasn't That's.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Not my business. If he did, I don't know what
you got going on.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's part of Ryder died. He stayed.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Even if he did, though if he did, it's quiet.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, all I know is he didn't continue to right
it because now but now he's riding with Clarissa shill Well,
I mean life, coops all is crazy. No, it's supposed
to be ride or like you're supposed to die.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I don't know. Stepped is what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know, that's the part.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Of it that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Us leading into patpoos as the ride to die example, that.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Is crazy.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Hit us up in the comments, let us know if
we missed somebody, Please, please.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Let us know. After we found out one example, let
us know if you missed anybody else.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Now really excited to bring y'all some new segments to
selective ignorance. Y'all hurt him probably last week. We're introducing here,
we're getting into it, but we're naming this this is America.
So this is America. This is going to be a
segment where we bring up anything political or anything just
happening in motherfucking America that makes us wonder why we

(24:50):
still live here and why we continue to call this
place home of the great.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's like we're still talking about the zombies.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
It is like really strange that we really like have
been warped and brainwashed to believe that this is the
best place in the world when bitch it ain't mind you.
This ain't even the creation of sushi. I cannot wait
to go to Tokyo. I love sushi so much. I
swear I'm Japanese.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
You haven't have public sushi, We're not. I haven't. I
see it. But you know the pub self is dope,
so I don't know about the sushi.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
First off, anybody who purchases sushi in the airport or
just in the grocery store, y'all are criminal. Y'all are
criminal gas the gas stations.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
You think you'll think airport food is the same as
like gas food.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
First off, I only go to the lounge. I don't
know about y'all. Y'all have to pay for stuff. I
get it for free.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
I go the going to the zombie world.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Okay, well, we're.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Gonna talk about two topics in this week's segment. Okay,
do y'all want to start first with? Where do we
want to start? Y'all want my producers leave me what
we talk about first? Goddamn, let's have some fun.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I think we should do the we should, we should,
we should uh throw some names in the hat for performance.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay, you're talking about so Charlie Kirk's turning points. USA
announced that they would put on their own Super Bowl
halftime show after the NFL culture Baby, they said, this
ain't very American if y'all, So after the NFL of
our Nation announced that bad Bunny would be performing. And
as y'all know, you now have less than four months

(26:31):
to learn Spanish in order to know what the hell
is being said, y'all, Jason is wrapping himself in his
Puerto Rican flag culture, which is crazy. Do you know
that this is probably why half of America doesn't know
that this is an American's territory because y'all got your
own flag.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Nigga. A deep story behind that though, too.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Wait, oh, what's the deep story behind why Puerto Rico
got their own flag?

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yees?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So, there was a there was a gag law in
Puerto Rico put in installed by the United States where
flying a Puerto Rican flag was illegal and so and
this is like in my dad's lifetime, Like this was
like when my dad was in Puerto Rico, like you
couldn't fire a flag. And that's what like you see
if you're in the video, if you watch the video,
like my flag is light blue. But then after America,

(27:15):
after that gag law was removed, the flag change and
it was this one that has like the America blue,
but it's supposed to be the real flag. Is this
light blue?

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Not the real flag is turquoise. Okay, come on turquoise.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
So because of that, that's why Puerto Ricans always, you know,
stay ready with the flag. It makes sense, it makes
it one in every bag I got.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Listen I grew up in. I grew up in a listen.
Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Rich Port I was about to say, there we go, there.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
We go, and so yeah, I don't know, did we
do we have any further information Jason about where they
have time? Performance is going to take place doing it
in someone's backyard like the Soul Train Awards last year.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah. So the group is a Turning Point USA, which
is Charlie Kirk's foundation. They're the ones who made the
announcement that they're going to do their own counter halftime show.
I think I think groups like that are better announcements
than executions like, well, here's my thing.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I want to know what their budget is because the
flyer that I just saw was given Camva, yes, and
so if they can't afford a graphic designer, like like
like here's the thing. We see what the people are
doing on Twitter, right, we see and it's funny because
I just saw y'all just got to stop posting R

(28:40):
I P to your loved ones because the angel wings
the AI making them fly off out of their own casket.
It's like it's it's it's going a little crazy. But
I do feel like they could have hired a graphic
designer to do just a little better job at this
goddamn I mean, it's the half a halftime performance here.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
On the Simper. But I don't but design, I feel
like design is not their thing. Like Fox News graphics
are like mad old school and then CNNs are like
exploding off the screen. Or even if you look at
like Mamdani's like blue and orange or his thing, it's
like kind of fly design and Trump's thing is just
red and white. Like I don't think. I don't think
that's their bag.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well, I wanted to talk about who we believe may
be performing. So we know Bob Boney is performing at
the super Bowl. Now this one is for freedom, family
and faith. Who do we think is performing besides kid Rock?

(29:36):
Everyone to throw out kiddine. We know that kid Rock
is headlining this. We know that it also may be
only about twelve minutes in length. So who is coming
out as a special guest?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
We should get chew each? We should try and pick
chew each.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Okay, who you think coming out? Kid Rock?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, now we already said that. Who else is coming out?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
God damn, she just said.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I just saw looking at the potential donors of this thing,
and it's conflicting. If it's if this is true, Jerry
Jones might have played seven million dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
That what Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Wait, but that's allegedly.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
If if it's true, I don't know. I'm looking.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I was looking to see what other performers might be performing.
But I saw that come across this way.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Who else? Ship rappers? Oh?

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Here we go?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Here we go? Called that black?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
No, that's a good one. Yes, good guess.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
These are some of the guys. I'm thinking that he's
the ones who who met who they supported.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
You want to know why why I just said no
Florida Because I would actually probably tune into it to
watch over Bad Buddy Over up, I would you call
that black?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I mean I think I think what we're gonna do
culturally is we're gonna do versus were.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Not doing versus.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
We're gonna meaning we're gonna watch.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
We're gonna to watch the NFL halftime show, and then
we're gonna be on We're gonna be on X looking
at the bruh.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Okay, you're not gonna te it.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Okay, So let me see. I think that Let's say
they set it up how Kendrick had how y'all know
how Kendrick had Samuel L. Jackson as as old boy.
So I think if they like try to spoof it,
they're gonna go Snoop Dogg for that. And you know
why Snoop dog will. Snoop will do anything for a bag.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
We talked glass.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Snoop do anything for a bag, so they'll get I
feel like he gonna do it. And then so we
got Kent Rock coming out, and here's the three people
that I think are gonna bring it all together. So
Cat Rock's gonna do his performance, then he gonna look
to the side and you go see a little bitch
and Red bent over Sexy read about to do her

(31:53):
whole little performance, and then you know who else were
gonna have just as a quick little outro. We're gonna
have Little Pump and motherfucking Kanye West do their hit
single together. Is such a fucking h I love it.
I just think that that's what we're getting.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
We're so we're getting.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
We're gonna our host is gonna be Snoop Dogg. We're
gonna get Sexy Red bending it over for the girls.
Were gonna get Kid Rock doing it for the whites,
and then we gonna have Little Pump and Kanye West
do it as well because they love If it's anything
they love more. Did y'all see what what Trump just
said during his visit in Chicago. He said he said,

(32:35):
there's nothing more beautiful than seeing all these black women
walk around with.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Their maga hats. Like these black women in their maga hats, it.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Looks I want to insert the clip here. This nikka
literally talked about black women in maga hats in Chicago. Okay,
he is fucking crazy. What is wrong with that man?
Everything I can see Bruce Springsteen, I was about to say,
he's liberally right people on in.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
The you do You I'm thinking about the song, but the.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
US say he's he said it was never great. Yeah,
Bruce is a little Yeah he knowed Nigga This Saint
Land of the Free. Okay, anyways, I think I'm curious.
I just said, I just said my home.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I would say, in the Samuel L. Jackson role, I'm
gonna put John Voyd, Angelina Jolie's dad. He's super magot
be on the on the tweets going crazy kid rocks
the headliner, of course. I think. I think for the
young whites, Benson Boone.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
The young whites is crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I don't really know who he is, but his name
sounds really white. Oh my god, you just put it.
Before I saw him perform at the Grammys, he did
like a backflip. I was like, damn that white.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Don't just be putting all the whites as as like
super Republican either.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
We got Boone. Benson Boone is a good guess that
he's probably that is hilarious. Not his family is that
is funny.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh wait, I'm not gonna lie. Hold on, he has
the Andrew Schultz mustache.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Look at look at what this man looked like.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Oh yeah, he got the oh ship.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
And then for the.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Having a mustache like that at twenty three years old
is insane. I need whoever's editing this throw up a
goddamn picture of Ben some moon right here, because what.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
For the for the Maga Blacks? This feels like draft
was like the Chappelle Show for the Maga Blacks. I'm
gonna do we should do Dojah Cat? Could she be
in the racial.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
We're not doing that doj Jojah.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
First off, there will be no do you think Steven?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Wait when I say there will be no Doja cat?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Steven? He could be, he could he could be your
Samuel L. Jackson Rolle.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I would throw every shoe collection everything.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
That's a man that y'all like he's he is one
of those black men, I will say, like a Shannon Sharp,
like Joe Bodden, that can say and get away with anything,
and he will continue to get the support specifically of men,
specifically black men.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Steven A Smith people at has her hand pointing right
at She said that was completely y'all.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, And I think it's because he's still somebody that
most men would like to be able to be. You
want to be able to speak your mind, speak loudly
in spaces with white men on TV and all this
thing and get millions and millions of dollars for being
completely ignorant, loud.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
And Wrongtive is a job too, you know, it is.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Mine you and I think that's the thing. He's mastered it.
The other two guys that I just said mastered it
in a way that I think they can genuinely do
no wrong. So even if it came out that he
voted for Trump, I still think he gonna get all
the money and y'all, y'all still gonna be supporting him.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
But what's gonna be the excuse of when we see
a particular celebrity, because you know that's gonna happen when
they have to explain why they was on the All
American Halftop Show because.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
They it's the same.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's the same explanation that we're getting from the comedians
that are going to perform in Saudi Arabi. Like again,
everybody got a price, bruh. And sometimes niggas gonna be like, hey,
eggs is thirty two dollars?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
What you wanted me to do?

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I got a family to feed. And that's just it,
literally is everyone got a price.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
It's gonna be a lot of country singers. I believe though, I.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Mean, and we don't know that niggas like that. If
it ain't Shaboozi, I don't know it.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Anyways, you might see Drake, Drake.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Might you know what if listen, listen and now you're
making me want to burn?

Speaker 4 (36:31):
No, no, no, no, seriously, that would be the anti because
they're still mad about the Kendrick things.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Some Drake wouldn't do that. Drake still wants too much
acceptance with the black community to do, you think, so? Absolutely,
All right, let's get into the next topic. We have
Don Lemon who appeared on the left hook. He won't
be on there, and in a wide ranging conversation he
chose to say this, let's play the club.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Black people, brown people of all.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American or
whoever you are, go out in your plate where you live.

Speaker 9 (37:08):
And get a gun legally, get a license to carry legally,
because when you have people knocking on your door and
taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't
that what the Second.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Amendment was written for?

Speaker 9 (37:24):
Go back and read what the Second Amendment says, and
perhaps it will knock some sense in the head in
the heads of.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
These people who were saying, well, it's all great. I
don't believe they're doing it without due process.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
They're asking people for papers, they're not really beating people up.
These people are doing things that are illegal. Nobody is illegal.
It is a misdemeanor to cross the border.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Say nobody is illegal. As crazy. God, here's okay, we'll
say Mandy scheffling of words.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Oh, I want to hear this one because I hate.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
This because you hate guns, so you hate I hate guns.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Whoa whoas. I hate this because gearing up black and
brown people to be armed to go against federal agents,
which is what that is, is absolutely nuts to me.
It's just nuts.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Is the people who choose.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
To get in fights in airports like there are just
certain people you don't go up against. And yes, I know,
we live in a democracy and you're not supposed to
fear the government and they're here to protect us and
all this bullshit, and I understand that ICE is not
anyone that is meaning to do well at this point. However,
urging black and brown people to go and buy guns

(38:47):
to be ready to shoot federal agents when they get
in the house to me, is a suicide.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Note, I don't as opposed to.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Here's the thing, here's the thing. To be fair, Yes,
they are are going after illegal immigrants, so to be
also fair, not all the time, not all the time,
well not all the time. However, as a quote unquote
illegal immigrant or someone who is a naturalized citizen, which

(39:16):
is what we're seeing. There are naturalized citizens that are
also being deported and swept up in this. They don't
have the right to get a legal gun license. So
he's talking to me from both sides of his mouth,
like you, they legally don't have the option to do so.
So then what are you really still going to urge

(39:38):
them to? Really, I guess go out and get gun.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Illegally, right, and they may try to buy a gun,
and that'll be the thing that says.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I don't think he's talking to those people. I think
he's talking about what we've been seeing in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, the larger conversations. He was saying it's time for
people to call MAGA for what it.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Is and that so I guess that's to me, why
listen to Second Amendment? Right? So ones who can.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Hurt you heard you?

Speaker 1 (40:02):
But saying it in that way. Literally, all that came
to mind was civil rights war or civil war, civil
rights movement, but a civil war like and maybe this
is my biracialness speaking, but I don't want just but
it's not a black and white thing. And so for
it to even be a hey, black and browns, go

(40:23):
get your guns to go against this, and for you
to even bring it maga the way that you went
straight to country music for this performance, like, unfortunately Maga
looks like white when it's not. We see we see
other people that look just like us. Maybe you Puerto Rican,
but there's a lot of Cubans that look just like you.
And boy, they be acting like.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Front line, you know, to line sports.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
To me, I think don was like, even if it's
black ice and white ice a going.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I guess that's where when we have this conversation, that's
where it's it's nuanced, right, because yes, go against ice first,
that's you going against federal agents in the federal government.
So that sounds like a ward itself on what does
my my sister call them civilians? Civilians versus the government.

(41:13):
I don't think that's ever going to be anything that
ends well. And then again, when we lean into the
maga of it all and what the underlying stem from
it is we see black versus white, which is why
he leaned in by saying blacks and browns. And then
I also don't like that he tried to group all
the browns with us, him.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Saying yes, Indians and this and that. I don't I
don't like the bipocket and brown I.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Think that's the immigration part of it.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Like they they're there their second generation American, you know,
by half the stance, But he's just speaking to those
people's potential targets of I.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Want to share. I want to share something that's I
haven't brought this up yet, but it's it's crazy because
when we talk about black white, we talk about immigrants.
I am Jamaican American and I just found out that
one of my family members is very very pro Trump
from a religious standpoint, which is also crazy because that

(42:09):
nigga just sat on a plane and said, I ain't
going to heaven. I did enough shit, I know I
ain't going to heaven, which is crazy because you also
have a lot of his followers come from like the
Christian belief system. And it's crazy because while we're talking
about black versus white. While we're talking about browns and
immigrants and all these things. My very black ass family,

(42:30):
it's interesting hearing their thoughts be delivered back to me
because they're Jamaican, they kind of don't consider themselves, especially
because some, you know, the ones that were born here.
Also crazy that there's these thoughts where most of my
family is here on a green card. My daddy, I
don't even know the status of his right now, but
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
I mean, listen, that didn't go back. I don't see
him while he's in America. Anyway, he goes back to
Jamaica might see them more. I'm shit, But it's it's
just it's just interesting, like I said, And I guess
that's my issues with like making this a black and
white thing is because there are just all of these

(43:13):
layers of people that identify with MAGA that I identify
other words that aren't white. There are a lot of
white people that are woke and allies wanting to see us,
you know, get past all of this, that didn't vote
for Trump, that believe that we should have rights, and
so I think it just gets tricky when I'm on
the Internet, and I'm reading everything and all these think pieces.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
A part of me is really.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Scared as a biracial but no, just really scared as
a human being that this is becoming so polarizing and
becoming so black and white, when it's not just black
and white.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
It has always been black and white. It's just that
there's this subsects of black and white.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
But those sub sexes have always been here. You know what,
now that I think about it, when we talk about
the eliminent nation of critical race theory, when we think
about how we are taught about black history and American history,
the parts that I think have failed us in today
is that it was just black and white. When we're

(44:15):
taught the history of America, we don't really have the
history of how Latinos had to deal with what slavery
looked like and the relationships between you know, how they
were viewed by the whites and blacks. Then you have
the Asians, which we do know like they had that
was a tricky one we learned. I learned about the

(44:36):
Asian nuance and what they had to deal with in
America as an adult, though it wasn't taught to us right.
And so when we even go into Asians, you have
the subsets like you just said, you have Indians, you
have Japanese, you have Koreans, you have Chinese, all of
which are treated completely different. Then when we get into
the Latinos, y'all all have all the different subsets. I

(44:58):
just want to say Latinos like.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
For that.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
But the Dominicans, the Cubans, Colombians, everyone who came in,
we've had all of this melting pot because that's what
America was.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
What were the melting pot of all the cultures.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Everyone's welcome here when we're taught to history of from
the early nineteen hundreds. Up, I don't know y'all's history
here like that, it's not taught to us.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
The issue there is you said something very poignant.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
You mentioned Japanese, Asia, you spoke to areas of the
world nations. Okay, the issue here is race is not
the black and white issue, is not a nationality issue.
That's why we don't know who That's why when you ask,
you don't know who he is because they erase his history.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
But yeah, but that's what I'm saying. But also look
at him, look at him. He can be a white presentent.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
His indigenous ancestors didn't call each other by colors. They
call each other. They identified each other by their nationhood. Yes,
they dropped us from and put us undercolor doc not.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I mean race is very American.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Well, race is an American thing, but also at the
colonization but also but also the color coad. Yeah, no,
there is the color coat. But I guess that's.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
All these they was looking at. I didn't want to
get too deep the microphone.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
So then what happened to the yellow and red? I'm red,
you kind of yellow, you know, do the color?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
They did the color.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
But that's that's that's why I earlier you're going to
say that your family, I thought you were going to
say your family doesn't identify as black.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
No, no, no, let's be very clear. No, no, my family,
but they they a king color.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, listen, I have family. This a king's color, you know.
But in the Caribbean something, it's just like my island
is this? Your island is that. It's not until you
come to the States and then it's like, well, I guess.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I just feel like when we when we black and
white conversations like this, to me, I just think it
leaves out so many people. And when I when I
think about it like this, I'm like, damn, where was
the Port of Rica? Is there with slavery? It's like
a part of me like literally feels like I, yeah,
I don't know your history.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Coolly, you have your.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Well wait, wait, what did you do?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I gotta put my slaves back on?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
You said you gotta put your flag. I thought slides.
I thought she was about to be real Puerto Rican
with us.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
No.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
But the education part is interesting too, like like did
y'all even know? Like because our education system, right, like
it what they teach us is so limited, right, and
sometimes it repeats in third grade again in fourth grade,
like the same things you do, but like you know,
they'll be textbooks on the East Coast the same version,
the same year, the same year of the same topic,

(47:44):
but the one in like Texas and the Southwest will
be edited completely different. And so that means that, you know,
kids in the Southwest are learning a perspective of a
certain historical story different than kids on the Northeast might
be learning it. Right, So it's like, even like our history,
he has been politicized, and then you wonder, like, well,
who politicize it? Obviously it's like those in power, and

(48:05):
you know, sometimes that's Democrats, sometimes that's Republicans. And that's
why you get people like who refer to like, well,
I think they're both in cahoots.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
And then you know it, I.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Think it leads to a lot of like low information
citizens and you know, and where it's like they won't
know common things and it keeps it separate, right, because
it's like the strongest way for things to work would
be like the way I always view it is like
anything that happens with black folks, every other colored person
should be pushing and do that because anything that happens

(48:34):
in advancement for them will then happen for the next
group after that.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
No, think like that, you know why because they all
mean a lot of proximity to whiteness. No, a lot
of them feel like their proximity to whiteness grants them
more privileged than black people period.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
And that also comes from certain groups like the Cubans
having an affinity for it they white folks, or then
when they talk about Asians, like the Koreans are the
white people of Asian status. So it's like.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
The status of whiteness. What that looks like from a
finan you know. And that's why we get don't look crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
They god damned Cubans think that way when they was
under goddamn for the out castrup for so long. You
go over there, they ain't even it's not like they're wealthy,
like they're just down.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
But the thing is that castro Castro is communism, right,
and communists why that's why that's why politics, like Republicans
they use keywords, right, Tom, y'all say what they say
about I'm donnie communism right, yeah, a socialoc Listen.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
That's why they be trying to brainwash.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Out what those ideas are.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
We just they just say those things are talking points,
like oh, yeah, they're comedy, but what is that?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Yeah, and what's wrong with that or what's right.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Crazy? It's like like sports to me, sports are like socialists, right,
Like like if you're a sports owner and you're a
sports franchise, your team doesn't even have to be good
and they spread the money equally amongst everybody in the league.
That's socialism, right, And so it's like Republican owners of
sports teams will be like, oh, you know, won't give
all this money to this candidate Cuomo who's against socialism

(49:58):
and all this or whatever, but then when they run
their business they take all that money just like they're socialists.
It's crazy. It's nuts to me.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Well, let's get into celebrities say the dorness things.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
We need to drop, we need Yeah, and because.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I know we got a lot to get to, let's
not spend too much time on these topics because I
do want to introduce our last segment, which is am
I ignorant? But let's get into Let's start with Kim
k who recently was on call her daddy and she
opened up about what co parenting with Kanye West is, Like,
let's go ahead, I don't know which clip we want

(50:37):
to play from this one.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Well, it's getting too but part of it is maybe
we'll do half and half less.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 10 (50:43):
Can we talk about the state of you and Kanye's
co parenting relationship?

Speaker 5 (50:51):
What do you think co parenting with Kanye West is?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Like?

Speaker 10 (50:55):
Well, yeah, I guess that's what I'm curious. I'm we're
wondering how are you doing and how much is on you?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Kim?

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Hmm, It's not easy, but I mean I raise the kids,
you know, full time. They live with me, and I
welcome a great, healthy relationship with my kids and their dad.
And I think, you know, he knows that I push
for it all the time, but I also protect them

(51:28):
when you know it's time for that, and it goes
in waves and phases and it's it's But like I
said earlier, like I have the best memories and the
best relationship you know, with my dad, and even like
I love that, you know, I see Tristan puts you know,
their kids to bed every night and takes them to

(51:49):
school every day when he's not you know, in season.
So I just welcome healthy relationships.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
She is a question.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I mean, I think she was really of him, probably
because of their children.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Well, she did go into and later in this thing,
which I guess we don't have to dive into. Well,
I wanted to actually talk more about his manic episodes
that she had to deal with. But in listening to this,
it was very relatable to kind of my mom. My
mom recently actually told me and apologized to me for

(52:23):
her selection and who my dad is and said, I'm
now you know I'm the oldest.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Well also I have.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
A stepbrother as well, who's a little bit older than me.
But my mom recently was just like, I'm sorry that
you know, this is who I chose to have kids with,
that this is your dad. She's dealing with that responsibility
because he's not the best dad. He's not someone that's
showing up. And I think, I think my dad is

(52:52):
probably narcissist. He's not someone dealing with actual like mental
Actually it might be bipolar, think about it. And I
don't want to diagnose him in that way. But my
dad was always like you didn't know who you were
gonna get, like when, and he didn't live with us
very long, but even when we would go and stay

(53:14):
with him for like a weekend, a month or something,
it would be like he would be the best dad
one day and then the next day a completely different person.
And so it's just like not knowing who you're gonna
get when you enter the house, what you say to them,
how they're gonna yeah, like act. And so it's interesting

(53:35):
because I also have a sister who's diagnosed multiple personality
to disorder, bipolar and something else.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Older.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
She's a year and twenty days younger than me, and
we completely don't have a relationship because I can't I can't.
I don't have the capacity to take on the abuse,
to take on the heverrbal abuse, to take on the
mood swings, to take on walking on eggshells. And so
what's crazy is it's one of those things where when

(54:07):
we talk about mental health right now, we lean into
having all of this what's the word grace and it's
and it's a difficult thing to have with someone that
you have to hold space for, that you have to
have empathy for, but that also is neurologically, you know,
not there. And so it's it was interesting hearing Kim
k talk about just what co parenting is, Like that's

(54:29):
something I'm not doing, but I do know these stress
of trying to figure out how to navigate a relationship
with someone who is unwell and someone who chooses to
not want to take their medication. That becomes just really difficult,
really really difficult. Yeah, it was, it was it was

(54:52):
interesting for us to have that, Yeah, to have that
conversation now specifically like as adults, like girl, I've tried,
and you know, I've pushed, but that's just not going
to be the thing that I do anymore. But yeah,
and I guess speaking of that That's why I did
like to attach this conversation to the one with Tammy Roman.
So Tammy Roman was recently on the Candy Birth podcast

(55:14):
with her daughter, and we have a clip to pull
up because she has a way in which she navigates
her relationship with one daughter differently from the second daughter
based on sexuality. Let's hear what she had to say.

Speaker 8 (55:32):
This, I'm graduating right, getting my degree, and she can't
she can't be there. Can do you get what I'm saying?
My girlfriend can't beat exactly, there's moments that my people out.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Let's beat the body.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
We're gonna see about it. Let's watch about it there.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
And I knew not to even tell.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
I told her, but she knew.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
She was like, okay, scrats.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
With your other daughter.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Oh she's straight, right her boyfriends in the past, she's
never been allowed to bring her boyfriends around.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
She would be, she would be, she would be.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
And why what's the difference? Because thank you, I love it.

Speaker 8 (56:11):
Now we talk and talking from what you did, you
leaned in.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Let's talk about it. Let's talk fair.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
Because there's something called confirmation bias, and when people think
like you think, or appear to be how you are
you're more drawn to those type of people. So my
daughter is a heterosexual female. Confirmation bias allows me to
accept whatever situation she's presenting, versus not really understanding this moment,

(56:40):
and so I got to take a step back and
figure out how it works for me and how I
can be comfortable in that moment, because there's something called
mental health that we have to be concerned about.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Now, this podcast is called selective ignorance, and it's giving
it should be called confirmation bias, or are not confirmation biased?
Because confirmation bias, let me put it in simple terms,
it is a person's tendency to process information by looking
for or interpreting information that is consistent with their beliefs.
So basically what she's saying is I only want people

(57:16):
around me that think like me, which is why the
Internet was in the uproar, because essentially it is leaning towards.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Bitch homophobia just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
So, because your daughter wants to have relationships with women
and you have had relationships with men, your decision is
that you're the choice of your daughter's partner cannot be
around because you don't sleep with women. Now here's the
thing that I want to tell y'all, y'all didn't heart
me talk about my daddy, my sister. Clearly, blood is

(57:47):
not thinker than water to me, y'all need to learn
how to just start walking away from your family members,
any of the people that is in your life that
is not for you. Clearly your mom saying that your
partner cannot be there for your graduation because you gay.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Why Why is those conversations so public though? Why is
not something that's happening.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
First off, because everybody's podcast.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
I ain't gonna lie when when when I when I
heard talking, I was like, damn me, look up, if
I could buy Road Shore mic Stocks, they're part privately,
they're private company, So.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Now I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Well, to me, what I do love about this is
I like this type of conversation happening on a microphone
because there's probably so many people literally dealing with this.
And I do love that Candy and her daughter were
there to like question them about why this made any sense.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And Tammy's daughter is almost thirty, Let's be very clear. Yeah,
she's not graduating from high school.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
I was just eighteen, only getting her in degree, not
in the house I was gonna say house rules always wins,
because but no, that's that's different.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I think. I think that's the thing. I'm here for
these types of conversations because they to the deeper roots,
specifically within our community. Clearly, we know that there are
so many people who are able to live in their
truth or be with the partners that they truly desire
to be with because of let's say the church or

(59:15):
family values, and a lot of times within the Black
community specifically, Yeah, they want to lead towards heterosexual traditional
values in terms of family and what that looks like.
And two women dating and two men dating don't really
align with how we view partnership to be. What's crazy
is I was looking allegedly someone on the internet. Tammy

(59:38):
has had a fling with a woman before, so it
was also interesting that she has had her journey through
her own sexuality and it's.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Not out Yo, that's clearly she don't count it. Yeah,
because she ain't mentioned it. I would have mentioned that, like, yo, no, no, I.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Ain't gonna hold you.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
If I was a daughter, I would have been like somebomy,
you ain't up eight nokuchi Now, whether you liked it
or not, should not be well. And then that's another
thing too. I guess there's certain things you're not supposed to.
You know, there's still the ways you should talk to
your parents as well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I don't know her leaning into confirmation bias made it
seem like she went to therapy and she got to
this word and said, oh, yeah, that's see. So it
almost as a way to take away from the accountability
and how she's really harming her daughter, how she's showing
up and to me, which is actual selective ignorance. Bro,

(01:00:31):
you literally kind of know how you're showing up and
that it's wrong, but you done found this little fancy
word to be like, oh, confirmation bias. It just means
I want like minded individuals around. And because my other
daughter had a resexual and I had a resexual, that
mean a homosexual. They got different views. It's so like
to me, I think that's the double edged sword on

(01:00:57):
continued education and knowledge is what we do learn different
words like y'all know over on decision decisions. I'm pride
in myself and being solo pilot because I haven't learned
what solo poly being. I said, Oh, that's the word
that describes me. But I mean, I don't know. I
think that where you're like, oh my god, take the
fucking microphones away. I love that this conversation is being

(01:01:19):
had publicly, and I hope that in weeks of her
probably being dragged on the Internet, that it actually pushes
them to happen. She's going to be dragged, human being dragged.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
But she feels like she's in the middle of a
conversation with herself about it. That's why I don't know
if she's been like, I know people are taking shots.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
You no, no, no, no, but I'm saying after that episode dropped, yes,
but he being dragged for like filth filth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
The internet is calling her homophobic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
So that's the thing, because you have the Internet right now,
especially between the people who care about Tammy Roman, which
is us. You have the people calling out her homophobia
that's probably the more queer leaning audience, and then you
have the conservatives that's like, yeah, you know, yeah, you
can't bring same sex couples to Thanksgiving where I live either.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I just wonder, like, not that I agree with her stance,
but it feels like it's thoughtful enough that she's like,
like it doesn't feel like she's completed her feelings about it,
and like even like the the first time I listened
to it, when she mentioned the mental health part, I
was like, oh, man, she's using all these like defenses
to like to your point, to avoid accountability. But also
but when I listen to it again, it also feels

(01:02:25):
like she's like in the middle of a journey that
she's trying to get there with their daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
But it doesn't It sounds like to me, she's trying
to Oh, it sounds like to me she's trying to
find an explanation where it doesn't have her in the wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Maybe actually, but it's like a public thing. I imagine
it's challenging. It's like it's like the idea of like
an older person being okay with you being in a relationship,
but coming to Thanksgiving it is too much for them
because they're and you know, that's more on them than
than then they're like their daughter or whatever. But it's
just challenging their beliefs that they've had for so long

(01:03:01):
and they're older, you know what I mean, Like it's
just great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I don't understand parents being okay with their daughters getting
in and out of toxic, abusive relationships with men and
that being okay, but heaven forbid you go date a
girl that actually treats you well and you know it's
just it's just weird. Before we get out of here,

(01:03:24):
last thing, last thing, Am I ignorant? This is our
segment where we want to bring you guys into the
show by sharing how ignorant your mind works and the
ignorant things you do. And so this week, how do
we want to do this? Jason?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Is this something you want to read?

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
And I respond just because I feel like y'all hear
my voice of goddamn enough. So this week am I ignorant?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
This is the question that's posed. I am keeping something
that's supposed to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Gift for myself, all right, So since here, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
In February of last year, I made a scarf for
my grandmother intended to give it to her at Christmas.
I wasn't able to do that, as I physically couldn't
get to the gift to her before Christmas to put
it under the tree. However, during a family issue in August,
my grandmother started spreading false information about me, which came
into the which became a family issue. At Christmas, she

(01:04:19):
greeted everyone who was there except for me. Then last
month she invited everyone except me to her birthday party.
This is on top of some other things that happened
a couple of years ago. The person wraps it up
by saying, I just don't feel like she deserves me
or anything I make. I also don't want to put
up a facade that I still like her and that

(01:04:39):
her actions don't have consequences. I put a lot of
work into this piece that I made for her, and
it's one of the better things that I've ever made.
At this point, I'd rather just keep it for myself
than give it to her. Okay, is this an okay
thing to do?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
They feel selfish for doing this. I ain't gonna hold
you if I buy a gift for some or take
time to make something for somebody and we fall out
that person not getting that gift.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
No more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I'm not mad at this. It's it's interesting because I've
been having the dilemma of gift giving recently. So my
birthday just passed thirty one thirty one, Thank you, hold
on not not one of my little Booze gifted me.
Mad shit, mad shit, spent hell of money. I hate everything,

(01:05:32):
and so a part of me wanted to regift it,
but he bought me shit that it becomes to my house.
I told him he has to hate me for buying
me these gifts. Now one of them I did, I did,
did No, I'm unpacking him in like yay. So he
got me. He got me four things, but all combined

(01:05:52):
well over one thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I would have just took the cash.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Honestly, I feel like he also just bought things that
he likes and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Like, well I like it, here you go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
So he bought me a slushy maker that was one
a ninja slushy maker. My first response was, Nigga, you've
known me for eleven years. Have you ever seen me
order a goddamn frozen drink?

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Never?

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
This THINGA bought me an industrial sized slushy maker. The
big ship is served seven plus people. Okay, I'm like, nigga,
do you think I'm opening a club? Then he bought
me a five hundred dollars coffee maker? Like, do you
think my next career is a barista? I have an
espresso already, and I ordered cold brew already made, but
now I gotta figure out this goddamn.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
This show counter.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
He bought it on goddamn Amazon, so it just all
came to the house. I can't return it. Then he
bought me a treadmill, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Like, Bro, you know what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Naw, It's because I was sick on my birthday. He's like,
when I get sick, I go on the treadmill. Oh,
you don't have a treadmill in your house. Here's a treadmill.
I don't know because it's so heavy. I'm waiting for
my other nigga to come over to help me bring
it up with the wow because it's too heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
It's so doubt what what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
The other boyfriend noted? The other boyfriend bought it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
The other boyfriend about to get a slushie. Okay and listen.
And then the fourth thing he bought me, which is nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I took a picture in it this morning and I said, oh,
you really hate me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
It's probably the best one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
He bought me some DJ equipment, A move move.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
That says cat mom no lie Bro. I said, oh,
you hate me. This was in addition to everything I
just said.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
First, that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Is an over oversized bear hoodie. Bro, it's an oversize
hoodie that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Says cat Mom, it's a hoodie dress.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Bro, for trying to domesticate you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I'm so confused when it comes to gift. When it
comes to gift giving and gift receiving, I don't think
there's a proper I know we talk about like etiquette
with gift giving gift receiving. It's one of the places
that I would rather just lean ignorant for the rest
of my life because in my mind, I don't care
if I seem unappreciative. My response to all these gifts

(01:08:13):
were you really hate me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
My mom always would say as we got you know,
past teenage years, she say, yo, don't buy me no
shit that I know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
You gotta learn, she said.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
She always made it learn me because if you buy
her some shit, she gonna maybe not right away, but
at some point you're like, damn, she let me know
that that shit wasn't bruh. I didn't get money money.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Four years ago, he bought me a cure Rag drink
works machine sall save guy, Save Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
He's a bad gift giver, which is crazy because I'm
like Nigga, I want titties. That could have been a
down payment for these titties that I want. And so
it's crazy because, yes, as you get older, I think
the etiquette for gift giving is completely gone. As a kid,
bit you better than joy whatever. You don't got a job,
take whatever you get. As an adult, though, I think
etiquette for gift giving is gone. I think as an

(01:09:07):
adult you can be selfish and keep your gift. You
can be resourceful and reak gift and you can actually
tell somebody why the fuck did you give me these gifts?
I hate it, and I think it's okay to tell somebody.
I think I think you start communications.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Can you can learn somebody and listen for the clues,
like if you said something like, oh shit, you know
when she says she want to curate, then you buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Otherwise, give cash, give me a gift card, give some We're.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
In a recession.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
If y'all are not knowing what to give somebody as
a gift baby, give them a gift card or money.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
That is what you give gifts. If you are gift
giving to someone over thirty, kids are not give them
a gift card Baby Sophara, Amazon, Amax v Classics, the
Class six Starbucks, Like get them a gift card, get them,
But filling my house up with all these fucking gadgets,

(01:09:59):
Like I'm fucking inspect your gadget is called the crew
Nigga upset all these goddamn tools. And then you know
they're complicated when they have QR codes. I have to
take a class on how to work these machines. I
gotta scan the QR code so that I know how
to fuck to work it. I'm like, this is stressful. Anyways, Love,
you are not selfish, you are not ignorant, and sometimes

(01:10:21):
it's cool to let family members know you just don't
fuck with them no more. That is the moral of
this episode, the moral of this story. Fuck people, get money. Anyways. Guys,
thanks y'all, Thank y'all so much for tuning in. If
you haven't yet, make sure you leave us a review.
Five star us. Wherever you listen to us on the
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I heeart.

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