Ep. 36 | Criticism vs Hate - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

(00:03):
before we get to this week's episode, I want to
remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel
free to go to your local bookstores preferably queer owned,
black owned, or woman owned to support them, but also
just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or

(00:23):
wherever you read your books. Again. That is No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power, written by
yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy.
Make sure y'all get that. Now, let's get to this
week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,
a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio.

(00:45):
Welcome back, y'all to another episode of Selective Ignorance. It's
your girl, Mandy B. And this is the place where
sometimes the ignorance is selective and sometimes it's just good
self care. Y'all know, I like to lean into my
ignorance just a little, but today we're talking about y'all's
ignorance and your inability to talk about opinions, not form them.

(01:06):
If y'all think this is gonna be like the episode
I had with Ishan Barry, you are highly mistaken. Now
I'm not talking about the fact that everyone has opinions,
kind of like we all have arms and legs, right,
I'm talking about y'all's ability to critique opinions on something else.
So let's be honest. Somewhere along the way, the word
critique that's what we're talking about, retired and got replaced

(01:28):
with hater. Don't like a movie, You a hater? Thought
the album could have been mixed better. Hater say the
choreography was mid Hater say the show inded terribly hater.
I like the Internet, but it turned the word that
you used to mean something like someone had a rational
malice into anyone who disagrees with me is a hater. Now,

(01:51):
art is supposed to be subjective, right, that's the whole deal.
What speaks to me might not speak to you, and
that's fine. That's the point. The second you put into words,
suddenly that you're not sharing your taste, You're tearing down
someone's dreams. Apparently, the line between critique and hate is
about as thin as the Wi Fi and some of
y'all's basements, because yes, I know some of y'all to

(02:13):
live with ya mama, y'all be the ones coming to
me on the internet. But here's the kicker though, But
for most people, even form their own opinions, they run
to check the group chat, the trending hashtags, rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic,
how even TikTok reviewers with ring lights. It's like nobody
wants to be the first to say, yeah, I didn't
like it and here's why. And then we've got to

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be real, especially when it comes to black art. Oh yeah,
I'm taking a there. Why is it that we hold
our own to an Olympic standard of excellence? If a
film like Him isn't perfect, if a new hip hop
album like Cardi B's isn't, you know, reinventing a will
that y'all thought she would do, Suddenly we're not just critics,
we're traders. We're haters. And that's wild because if we

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can't be honest about our own culture, then who exactly
are are we protecting? So today we're digging it in
and I am gonna go ahead and give a spoiler alert.
Now we are talking him, We are talking the new
Denzel and Spike Lee joint and more. So we'll let
you guys know right before we get to all of
the things, if you want to press fifteen fifty eleven

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times while we give our critique and our insight. But
hopefully you guys have all seen it now and we
are going to give our honest and open critique. And
guess what if we don't align with you, it doesn't
make us some motherfucking haters. Okay, And as always I
am joined by my superpreduceas we got a king and

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journalism Jason. Hey, guys, journalisto aka aka body quot are
your body quote? Is that what it is? Because because
it is for masculine and I is for feminine?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
How that one word?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Wait, men are called but equal two?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, they're not body It's it's just it's just one.
It's just you know, it's an Island reference.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
So I ain't gonna hold you. That was like the
most difficult thing with me learning Spanish. Mind you. I
hope y'all have been tuning into all the tiktoks and
all the things teaching us Spanish to get ready for
the super.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Bowl list six months.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
That used to that used to be like the hardest
part for me with like like I don't know the word.
But then depending on who you were talking to or about,
you had oh for masculine, then you had I for
uh for feminine, then you had no soul throats. Then
was supposed to be your elders, and so then you
had to use like oh, sir almost or something, and

(04:49):
then I think theyve them them whatever. Bro, that ship was.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Annoying, translating.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
From the street level, not necessarily not necessarily the negative ship.
I'm saying, like, if you hear, if you're in the
community where you have Puerto Rican Dominican, see how they
communicate because it's different, and then bring it back.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
The other one.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, no, that was the problem.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You should watch your favorite movie and just put Spanish
subtitles on so that way you you and you could read.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I thought you were you better than that.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
If I want to read, I'm saying I'm not reading
for the people. You know, if you want to get
ready for Bad Bunny, you could do it that way.
Or did you did you see that? The I g
with that dude was like the hustle of it all
is that the new AirPods have live translation enough, so
Apple booked Bad Bunny specifically so people could get the
new second and they can hear it and translated.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I ain't gonna hold you because there was a there
was a woman today that played a Bad Bunny record. Actually,
I'm gonna insert it into here. Y'all listen to it
real quick, and then I'm gonna tell y'all what he's saying.
So anyways, this uh, this clip literally says and I
was like, damn, mind you. Whenever I hear reggaeton, this
is gonna sound really ignorant. Whenever I hear reggaeton, I

(06:06):
just be thinking they be talking about fucking and losing
the lot of their life and fucking because I feel
like Latino's just be fucking like that's why they be
having so many kids.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
So apparently this Bad Bunny record, though, goes into talking
about like he says, black lives matter. He says rip
to Kobe. He says, this country is interesting because I
have to wake up and see that a black man
lost his life at the hands of a white man
and the president don't got nothing to say about it.
And he's like it's crazy because when a white person

(06:39):
has a gun in his hand, it becomes a hobby.
But when a black man has a gun, he's a criminal.
This is what the fuck bad Bunny talking about.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
So to know that we had like the political nature
of Kendrick Lamar last super Bowl, and to know that
they just got a woke Puerto Rican, I didn't know
right outside.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
He's perto Rican Bob Marley.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Puerto Rican Bob Marley is crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
If people listen to I'm journalism, Jason. I have a newsletter.
It's called Backseat Freestyle and if you look, yep, I
did a post called bad Bunny, went on one for
Hip Hop Pits and kind of did all the comparisons
of why he's a little white people thought he was Drake,
Why he's a little bit Chance the Rapper, while he's
a little bit Kendrick, while he's a little bit j Cole,
and ultimately he's he's he's Bob Marley. And the crazy

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thing he didn't he didn't start out that way. When
he started out in twenty sixteen, it was like I'm
a fuck your girl, I'm gonna take your girl.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, no, like they just showed and he said twenty sixteen.
They just I just saw a post on Twitter that
showed like all these rap girlies and they all have
different faces today when they came out. But also there's
a picture going around as well of Cardi bing Baboney
from the like it like that that nigga had a

(07:56):
whole grill in his mouth. He ain't looked real.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
He looked like he looked like he was from the Bronx.
He was, he was. Here's a song on the new
album he talks about spending summers in the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Really well, he was influenced by the Bronx early boy
because I was like, he looked like he's from Puerto
Rico now, but he looked like he was from you.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Know album he's every album has a different theme.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I love that he's giving the Puerto Rican Dutch a cat.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
He's very he's very culturally.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I love that. I love that Now I'm I'm even
like more excited now to realize that he's just not
talking about being a whole. Because to know that he
just be gyrating all over the stage, I thought he was.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Just like he's still a hole. He still yeah, Okay,
maybe everybody learned Spanish.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
How did you learn Spanish?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Girl?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
So the first thing I knew was and then that's
when he started you start saying that ship.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean, I learned it essentially from the movie Sallenas.
I used to be like, come on up. No, anyways,
I guess we'll start with a with a quick catch up,
a little bit on me. I'm really really excited about
I like to say Q four, y'all would think I
still work in fucking corporate. I literally talk like, I'm still,

(09:21):
you know, doing monthly.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Reports, and you know you do corporate podcasting.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I do kind of we do. Don't make don't make
sound corporate.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
No, no, I mean just the space in itself. We
don't sit at.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Tables with I mean, we're sitting at the table right now.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
But the people that we see across.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
The community, now, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
You're sitting across people who you know.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, it's interesting because entering Q four. I actually just
told my therapist it feels so weird. Like normally October, October, October, November,
every time I reach this time the year, I'm burnt out.
I'm like burnt out. I'm crying I'm miserable. And this

(10:05):
year I'm actually really excited about Q four because I
get to focus on all of my my individual ventures.
So this year has been leading into twenty twenty six.
This year for anyone who has been living under a
rock or maybe just found me. From December through July

(10:26):
July August, all all, all all bets have been off.
My focus was becoming a New York Times bestseller with
my book No Holds Bar to do them in by
so say, you know, exploration and power and did and
made it. But it was a lot of push. This
is a this is a book that you know, I mean,
selling a book, selling anything tangible is freaking hardest shit.

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But we had a lot of teams, a lot of
people in place that we kind of didn't want to
let down, including Charlamagne. Shout out to Charlamage God. So
now that the book is over, mind y'all. I also
moved to Atlanta in December, so I was gone every
what three to five days. I was on a fucking
plane in another city. I've been going back to New

(11:09):
York weekly, I mean monthly all year to record decisions, decisions,
And now I finally get to like get my footing
in here in Atlanta. I am finally at radio personality.
I haven't really got to talk about a year.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I just told my friend Jason and King I just
I just said, I gotta start talking about like, yeah,
so next year I'm gonna win the lotto because because literally,
when my tongue is so powerful pause that you know,
I mean it is, you know, all the ways, but no,
it's been so powerful in me just speaking into existence
the things that I want. So outside of wanting to

(11:46):
move to Atlanta for a closet, I told everyone, Oh,
I'm moving to Atlanta for radio. I'm moving to Atlanta
for radio. Like when I put my foot down and
said I was going to be leaving the best sitting
in the world, which is New York, to come to Atlanta.
I mean, you know, I could have made up a
lot of things, but I was like, you know, I'm
moving to Atlanta for radio. And I now have my

(12:09):
own radio show. It's called Off the Clock. It is
from six to eight on Hot one oh seven nine,
and it's really exciting because it's like a show that's
completely new to the station. It's a mixed show. It
is only a two hour show, but they're allowing me
to have fun with the topics in between really good mixes.

(12:29):
So essentially it would be like the show that you
listen to getting ready either to go out to dinner,
getting ready to go out with your homegirls, maybe in
the car just driving around. But it's music that ties
in with us talking about like all the topics, you
know what I mean, And so it's just fun because
I'm able to kind of creatively get onto that while
also challenging myself. I ain't gonna hold you y'all. See

(12:51):
how long one of the bitches Bashit is hard, bro,
we got we got fit? This second breaks. How am
I supposed to say all this shit in fifty seconds?
I gotta like introduce a topic, let my DJ come
in and have her little short quick take, and then
I got to come back and be like and then
we'll be back right here on it. And it's like really,
really difficult, and so where this year, I would say

(13:13):
recording the audiobook for No Holds Bard was one of
the hardest things I've done professionally since leaving my career.
I was like, Damn, this radio shit is low, like bitch,
it's a little doubticl but I'm having a really good
time and the power of the tongue is real. So
it's funny because when I was with my ex, I know, well,

(13:36):
when I was with my ex here's and I know
don't talk about my ex. But what's crazy is when
I was with him, right when I got with him.
It was right before I started Official Box Owner, which
led to periods this if you guys want to check
those episodes out. And I got my studio in Brooklyn,

(13:57):
I started the show, you know, under Joe thing, and
literally while I was with him, everything I said I
wanted to do, I started doing. And I remember, because narcissism.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
He told me, hey, you might want to go ahead and.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do all the things you can now, except whatever comes
your way, because you don't know how long this is
going to last. I'll never forget it. He said that
to an offer that I had gotten to go to
Essence Fest. Now, let me tell y'all this story real quick.
He told me to. And then this is one of
our breakups. So we're at brunch and we got this
offer to go to Essence Fest, me and Wheezy, and

(14:39):
we get the email they want us to do a
panel on like a Thursday, maybe Thursday night, Friday midday,
and it was going to be, of course about sexual liberation.
I want to say it was.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It was.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I think they had like baby tape possibly on there.
I couldn't remember, and I actually want to see. I
want to say Candy was fast to be a part
of it too. Do y'all want to know what we
were offered to do this panel? All in twenty five dollars?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
So there no, no, no, no, so mind you.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Weezy would have been coming from LA I was coming
from New York. Both of our flights combined were pretty
much that as the budget, and then we still would
have had to pay for our own glam our, own
hotels and everything during essence weekend. So I sat with
my with my ex at the time, we were at brunch,
and I was like, Yeah, I don't think we're going
to take it, like we're not at a place where

(15:32):
we need the quote unquote exposure. And I feel like,
for what we've done in this space, that's kind of,
you know, kind of disrespectful. And we weren't going there
under a brand. So if that was their budget at
the time, also considering it was pandemic. This is right
when events started taking place again and we you know,
I was just like, yeah, I don't think we're going
to do it. I think we're gonna say no. And

(15:54):
his response to me was, oh, well, you should probably
take it now, because who knows if you're going to
be this hot next year, they might not even want
you next year. Who knows if what you're doing now,
anyone's even gonna be checking for you. And oh my god,
when I tell you, I felt so fucking disrespected, Like Thika,

(16:15):
what you think? This is me on a hot streak,
Like I've been doing this goddamn podcast since twenty seventeen,
and at the time I had two other ones, right,
just so y'all know, this year we get an offer
to go to Essence Fest for a six figure check.
Six figure check. So it was just like, it's so
crazy when when you sit here and either bank on

(16:36):
yourself but also know your value and so it was
interesting like for me into you know, I came in
and I knew a station I thought I would be
at and I'm not there, but I had another one,
like and we're gonna roll out the red carpet for you, like,
we want you to be happy, We see the value
in you, we like what you have to offer, we
love your opinions, and we want you to bring that
over here to our station. So shout out to Hot

(16:59):
one on seven nine Radio one for having me on
the station and bringing me to the airwaves in Atlanta, Georgia,
which is crazy because also I went in there with
this with my idea of what a radio voice was,
and they was like.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I'm gonna They literally was like a bro, we need
your voice, give me a sound. What did you try
to do?

Speaker 3 (17:24):
And then what do you actually doing?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Well, they made me literally like hey, so we want
you to sound like you sound on your podcast when
you're talking. So it just it just was like a
little like like you probably would have thought I was
introducing a goddamn basketball team, you know. It was like okay, okay,
So the air check would be like, hey guys, welcome
back to.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
God.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Literally, so literally when I started, I was like, it's
you go maybe me and we're back on one on
seven nine, and and like I had this like animated
idea of what radio personality sound like, and they were like,
all right, you see how you're talking to us right now?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Do that?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Just bad. I've worked on TV projects and I'll be like,
give me your podcast voice. No, no, no, it's literally
give me that.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
They were like, they were like, now we want your opinions,
we want you. I think the only difference is I
gotta of course I can't curse, so it's me giving
my opinion without all the fun ship damn hell's I
think I can actually say damn in hell. But you know,
pussy dick being, you know, all.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
The other things. They taking your fingers away from me.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You can't even.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Maybe I have good a mouth of us sailor do I?
But yeah, it's great, it's been. It's been dope and
and yeah, I know you know we'll have to we'll
have to catch up on your transition to the A two.
But also you're back and forth as well, so maybe
not really. And then you and Jersey. No one cares
about me.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right outside of New York. I don't people think I
don't like the right outside of New York.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's Jersey, bro.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I know, I don't North Jersey. So so you know
what side I'm And if.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
You're watching this, if you're watching this on video, you
could tell he's from Jersey because he got the big
body whye and why had on? So it's given like
you know how when when people be liking to say
that Jersey is like New York West, he said, okay,
let me let me make let me make New York
so big on my hat that it includes Jersey.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know, I moved to the suburbs. I work in
New York. I just moved to the suburbs.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Oh he's doing good.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I'm in Jersey cause I'm doing good.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
He said, he got money.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
He tied of the Boroughs city bikes.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
The you know, it's crazy. I've never done a city right,
and I'm man now because they got the little limescooters
here in Atlanta, and I'm like, damn, there's an app
for this, and it's just the idea of down the
STAPs and downloading another app that I don't want to
do that. Oh yeah, there was. I saw one on
the side of the highway and I said.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Why why because they ran out juice?

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Oh they ran They just leave it then and they have
somebody collect them and they charging back up and put
them back.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I thought it was like a social media thing, like
let me just leave it in the craziest spot now
it was.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I mean, like, I'm just gonna leave a challenge. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
That was crazy. That was crazy. I'm actually glad we're
no longer doing those challenges. They just keep making these
complicated as damn.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Bring it back. We're so far beyond you know what.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Hold on, classmates, I need us to come up with
a challenge, an ignorant challenge, one where people like to
me to be fair. The Great Challenge was ignorant because
and so was so was the cinnamon challenge. That cinnamon
challenge nigga where you eat like a spoonful of cinnamon
and niggas was like, couldn't breathe my algorithm.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
That wasn't in your algorithm. Did you see the.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Cinnamon challenge index the joint? I didn't see the cinnamon.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Man, Now I'm mad that we didn't have it. There
was li Now I think something. Let me see. I
think someone died.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Off of it.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh man, soldier all on because cinnamon. It was a spoonful.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Oh shit, Oh wait, yeah, I am familiar with.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Okay, never mind, there's no there's no here we go.
There's no verified case of someone definitively dying. However, the
cinnamon challenge posed real risk with choking, aspirations, lung irritation, inflammation, pneumonia,
and collapse lungs.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Jesus is crazy. I'm watching a video right now. See
it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
That was wild. That was wild. Anyways, y'all already know.
When I'm sitting here with my producers, we do a
quick little double down or take it back, and one
day y'all are gonna go. Jason, I'm gonna need you
to be a super super producer and go deep back
into the catalog and get me somewhere where I look
at myself and be like that ain't me. I ain't

(21:53):
say that.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I got to get into it. A couple of early
episodes we had.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
That no no, no, not of this podcast, not of this.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It was early, but it wasn't video. It would be
like tweets, old tweets.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I got old tweets. Oh nah you? Oh wait? Did
you not know what I had to do?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Are you ready to scrub MTV.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Seven pages of my Twitter? You guys can't probably find ship.
Although I just recently had to go back private for
more Diana that yeah, I'm private now and then it's
crazy because someone tried to come after me because so
I watched porn on Twitter and somebody wrote me it
was like, damn, why every porn bisexual man? I go on,

(22:35):
Mandy's already following it, and to do that on your
professional page? I said, bitch, this is my personal page.
I ain't got no professional page on Twitter. This is
why it's private. Now literally say bitch such.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
On no Charlamagne was he did an interview with Business
Insider and he said that brand safety has become a
problem and advertisers should rethink it. And I feel like
it's like because it's like if people are approaching you,
they know who you are, they know what your content is,
they want your audience, and so it's like, why am

(23:09):
I scrubbing that? Like this is the thing that got
you this audience that you want, and now you want
me to like.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, but it is t It is tricky, right because
a part of me kind of does understand, right the
same way if you agree to work for a corporation,
that corporation you now have to somewhat align with their mission,
core values all that, or.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
If you're an right, if you're coming at you.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, but they're essentially coming at me. Even an independent
contractor could be considered an employee to some sense, like Nigga,
they're trying to cut you a check.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I can't. I can't talk to somebody that still says
Q four all the time.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
It's probably freedom.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Some of this is probably because of the political nature
that we're in, and that's like the new dosing is
finding out from that trait. O. This is this person
said this and there on these platforms, Right, I.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Gonna hold you and we're gonna We're actually pulling a
clip of me talking about Carti's new album on Need
to Know. But I just actually had this conversation with
with one of the members on Black Effects Team because
maybe the way they becoming a decisions decisions. But the
clip of Carti B on Car Daddy going around talking

(24:21):
about eaters, I said, Oh, so the brands don't mind
Cardi B talking about like I'm old because want the audience,
the audience selectively. All Right, play this clip. I'm sure
I'm still gonna align with what I had to say.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
He avoided this sophomore slump in a way that no
other artists can. Now that I've heard the entire project.
I'm happy that she took this long.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, I'll never say that wait.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
As much of a masterpiece as this is, I hated
that we waited so late. I wish we got to
enjoy the summer with somebody. Sure.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
This album absolutely proved to me that it wasn't a
fluke and that she's an album artist.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I'm Cardi B. Both albums were platinum.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
I've fulfilled my quarter for you guys for at least
the next few years. Now, you guys was okay with
me having no music out since twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I never said I wanted to be jay Z the greatest.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I'm glad that the album is being received as well
as it is to really know that she was the
underdog here because of the sophomore album Curse. I love
that she came out on top. I love the project.
I'm excited to hear more.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Let's see how it ages a few weeks months years
from now, when she starts performing more.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Okay, I hated it you had to wait.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Hated that I had to wait. And it's not even
that I had to wait the seven years as much
as even we were she announced last year, and I
think even the year before that an album was coming.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, they even dropped the other single with a Megan
Yes that was kind.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Of Nubongo's, which was crazy because whether it was the label,
whether it was Cardi, I do not know. She had
to have hated that record. So that fuck Atlantic at
this point because hey, well, and I say fucking because
if you look at her pure sales and I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Now, I know, but that's her industry though.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
For her to have seventy five thousand or eighty thousand
pure sales the next week, mind you, a lot of
people were adding Atlantic over the like past the first
week saying that my I just got it late. So
that has everything to do with with distribution.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Also that these metrics that's being defined of how these
are equivalent to an album a pure album sale, I
think we got to re examine that.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's not math.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
It's not math, I mean, and let's be very clear,
we got to go back to physical cos well, well
that's what I'm saying. I thought I bought I have
two vinyls from Cardie. I did get mine the first week,
but there were people that didn't. Here's here's my.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Thing, and I'm not gonna lean to the count for sales.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
No, they did. They did. Yeah, but I'm not gonna
but they didn't count first week.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
They still count first week.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
They were saying they didn't count first week.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Because they count shipping. They count for shipped.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. They weren't shipped until
the second week, so they weren't counted in the first
week sales, which of course is.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Got to change how we look at certifications.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
But here's the thing. We we we we we. I'm
not French, we really don't give a fuck about them
goddamn numbers. I don't care about where an artists lands.
I just want good quality music.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
And so for me, I love you to find the
week because there's a lot of chatter.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Well the chatter, you know, it's quality of the music
by the sales, which is not accurate, but they do
look at that it's not.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
But what I'm saying is as a consumer, when I
say we as a consumer, we really don't care.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Consumers don't care.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
But no, no, no, no, these fake podcasters that want
to lean into the outrage of what Billboard and all
this ship means we don't care. As consumers.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
We want good quality musics.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
So I'm not going to sit here and and even
dive into the numbers. When I say that I wanted
this album earlier is because even every time, uh the
the checks clearing record, there's some really good records here
that go off in the motherfucking summer, Like day Parties
is over, Whiskey Mistress ain't hitting like it used to.
It's just a different It's it's just a different I mean,

(28:13):
it's it's fall time. And speaking of fall, if we
talk about my impatient ass, I don't like to wait
in line, and I'm mad that I've been waiting for
the fall off now for about two three years. Like
J cole like and I love J Cole. I stand Jacole,
I am a stand. I've gone to every Dreamville, I've
gone to office, every conser. I left Nigga back in

(28:34):
two thousand and eleven, I think it was I left
Memorial Day weekend in Vegas to fly to New York
to see literally Elliott Wilson sit down with his Crown
series and talk to J Cole. I am a J
cole stan baby.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
The fact that everyone still wants to keep talking about you,
like falling out of his beef and and you know,
renigging on on the on all that. Just drop. Goddamn.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Maybe that's the fall off. Excuse me, Maybe it's not.
Maybe it's not a maybe it's not a maybe he's
not a product.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm glad. I'm not wrong.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
He's just like, I'm done with this.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Are you saying fell out?

Speaker 4 (29:14):
No, I'm not saying he fell off. Maybe I said.
Maybe he's just like, I'm done. This is my exit.
I'm quiet exit.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
That wasn't a quiet exit.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
He was dragged for a year.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
He did the dream Look look how you received with
the last Dreamville Festival.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's half white side is Irish?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I need to know?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah, are you I'm saying that I can see a possibility.
It's probably wrong, but I could see something where he's like, man,
whatever is it? But on the other side, I think
we'll get something from j Cole in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't think we don't get anything.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
You don't think by the end of the year we'll
get it.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I don't think it's time. Make me.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Why, especially when we see what Kendrick is doing and
has done for the last year and a half since
not like us, and we see that. Drake said, all y'all,
I'm going to be in Europe for the rest of
my life. Drake and you Americans that my passport is elsewhere.
I'm global.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Fuck you Americans.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
If you have Kendrick doing what Kendrick is doing, Drake
doing what Drake's doing, why why would not do anything
right now?

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Cole has to be a tactician with this. He has
to study that ship because he knows that his promise
is still there. Right we're talking about the Big Three
that's still there, especially in the height of the beef,
the a lot explaining. He has to do a lot
of where he's at right now that.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
People are curious about.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I think the best way he could do that is
clean slate, New Year.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm not gonna lie if if the ball off comes,
I do not want him whatsoever to address or explain
himself and stepping away from a beef here late to address.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
It, you know, but just just just looking at who
he is and the type of music he make, you
don't think he'll do like an earnest kind of like
recognition the first intro or the outro.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Just now, I'm not gonna lie. He might start an intro.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Out and and it won't be a disrespectful thing. Is
him does because I think when people losing this whole thing,
we go back to the block era, right, Him and
Kendrick had a relationship. We still don't know why that
sour or I think the competitive thing kind of like
it's kind of liken J didn't have the beef, but
they were still working and then like it was the

(31:29):
album together they did.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
The album came out and.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Drake had a had a very strong relationship. He was
just on.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
He just went on.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
No, I think you know they've been fucking with each
other since blog eras he's still with him. Yes, he
also just what last year? Top of last year was
on tour with Drake. I went to the concert in Tampa.
So Drake did a stint where he did hop of
a tour with him in twenty one seventh. Then he
took a break, came back on that same tour.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
And did that called pre Yeah, that was pretty right,
but even it's funny. It's I feel like this is
like I keep saying, like resume stuff, but like so
I did NAS's podcast when was that Spotify yo, Like
you know, like Nas would and I don't know how

(32:16):
public he said this, but it's not nothing that's like
super hidden. But you know, he was like, you you
get successful, and then it gets hard to communicate, and
he's like, you know, there was times when like like
when Jay did Jay Z and Friends, when r Kelly
the r Kelly situation happened and everybody went to Madison Square.
Nas is like, yo, I got the call and I
was about to go, but he was like, I don't
know how like Square, Me and Jay were so like,

(32:36):
I didn't go, and then he said there was other
opportunities where he's like, I don't I don't know what
he's thinking, but I'm okay. And so they just lost
years of like I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Not only that because he got that casino, but he
didn't Wow, that was.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
The council.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But that's but that's another point. It's like it's like
stuff that circles happens, and then you're like should I
I don't know what he thinks, and and then it's
like you're not You're not like in the streets every
day like it used to be. So it's like we're
not like collaborating all the time. So then it gets
weird communication. So I think that's what the Cole and
Kendrick and.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Now Jay and Os is cool. They do but they
do stuff.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
You know, it's not a lot, but they have a
good relationship where we don't know, but we do know
enough that there's relationships between both crews that there's some
dialogue that might have been happening.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, I guess all in all, is there? Am I
right for saying I don't want to wait on certain projects?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Look, I mean I.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Have a comment. I have a question about Okay, I
think I don't think Cole is gonna come out simply
because he's gonna let Drake have his window and I
don't think he had. I think Cole is like, I
don't want to come out with an album when Drake's
come out.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Man to come out the same time as man give
us the same drop as I think.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think he's waiting. But this is a second part podcast,
do you so?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I listened to it. It was great, It was great,
It was it was really good.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So you said you didn't like waiting for Cardi. Now
you're getting impatient with Cold And we mentioned a comment
about numbers, So I want to ask just talking about
like haters and judging and review and kind of like
taking it back to like the topic with with I
think some people judge albums based off of sales, like
A King said, and but I also think some people
will judge a Cardi album and be like, I had

(34:26):
to wait seven years for this. It wasn't good, it
wasn't as good as the weight, it wasn't worth the weight,
and then and then excuse how the how they're talking
about the album there has nothing to do with the album.
They're just throwing in the weight. I didn't I didn't
like waiting, I didn't like this, I didn't like this.
She included WOP on it, so the album is west.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
See, I mean I didn't. I didn't mind any of
those things. Yeah, Like that's the thing, you know, I'm
seeing it because these fuck ass people act like their
motherfucking execs and A and rs because they didn't followed
exacs and A and rs since two thousand and nine
on Twitter. Now they think that they know industry inside
like shit, And I think that that's why that's my

(35:05):
frustration about like leading into the numbers and pure cells
and all the ship. Bitch, I'm a consumer. I've never
been an artist. I don't get into the.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
Whole process, the fact that people are like, let me
look at the credits and see how many writers on here.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Bro knock it bro.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
But that's what I'm saying. We're just in. It's weird
because we are going to be dissecting this where I
do think we are in now, we're in a space
of hate. People genuinely, I think, like to be haters.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
They do internally.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Niggas love to be haters. Motherfuckers love to see somebody miserable, fall,
be humbled. We're in an era where people are so
miserable with their own accolades and what they've been able
to accomplish that they cannot wait to see someone fail
or falter or be unhappy. That's just the truth.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
We don't celebrate, n't and and that's my thing.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Like for anyone who's just a fan of Cardi, I
don't know why. There was just so It's almost like
people were waiting to hate it, and then I think
the fact that it actually was quality, people were like, Okay,
she gave us some good music. We happy. But then
it's weird because then I'm like, people are like, we
ain't need twenty three records. We could have done just twelve.

(36:19):
I'm like, but then when people give us twelve, they're like.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I said, this is like an EP.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
This isn't really an album because who's my boom? When
Chris put up the album and had one hundred, So.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Give me give me fifty every time out of you jump,
give me fifty, baby, MP, give me fifty.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
But I'm like, he's so dope, like, don't give him everything.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
He's always And the fact that if you guys look
into I really like to say, I'm the one that
you know brought it up, this is no longer available
to you because I said, I don't see the thing is.
But uh, the record that went viral under the influence
was a B side record from an album from like
three years ago. It wasn't even a throwaway because I

(37:04):
thought it was. I brought it up that it was
like my favorite record and it doesn't get enough love.
Like me and me and Bridget used to bring up
a lot of dope records that we liked, especially from
R and B artists, and I was like, this is
my favorite, one of my favorite and the next thing
you know, it blew the fuck up and So that's
what I'm saying, Like, I'm not mad at that with
with with Chris, because that's what we're seeing with a

(37:25):
lot of artists. They're getting songs blow up from back then.
Do you know the Dochi record that uses the sample
that leads into therapy? That was that was on like
a mixtape of hers and it and it blew up.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
So I'm not mad at how to get back to
timeless music.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
But that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
We got to give ship.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
You don't want to give time. They just want to.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
We waited seven years for Cardi, right, yep, why we
can't Lauren Hill? We still wait. And I'm not saying
that in bad ways, And that's how great artist is.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Wait, you think we're getting one from Laurena?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
No, no, no, no, I know. I think at this point
you just got to leave it there. I don't want
to that's the legacy. And then the studio, the live
and studio stuff is cool too. Those are like I
really like that and that Ship, but I think that's
the legacy.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Like, Yo, she's so dope. She gave us one.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Okay, one was the album of the year.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
That's it? Like what else are you want from I don't.
She's solidified.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
And what are you gonna say about know it alls
you were saying.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I say, we know. Everybody's fucking chiming.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
We're just timing onto anything without any expertise on the
topic anything. And that's what the that's what these social
media platforms allow. There's no there's no rhyme or reason
that everybody just go. And that's I think that's what
induces the hate it induces.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
But even me and and we're.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Gonna get accessibility. Like you if you say good morning,
you what about it?

Speaker 4 (38:50):
If you say good morning, what's the chances that somebody
gonna say some wild ship to you?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I mean I think that. I mean it's crazy, like.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
They'll bring you have some dumb shit from.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
But that's where my mind was, to be honest with you,
there's people who hate me as a podcaster. There's people
who hate some of the content I put out. I mean,
especially when my content reaches other audiences. Oh, they fucking
hate what we're talking about, you know. And it's interesting
because I've learned how to just accept it. But even
I perceive these episodes to be art. Right if someone

(39:24):
listens in and it's like, yeah, I fucking hated this
goddamn episode. I honestly I accept it. Not everyone's gonna
like everything. It's funny because when I record episodes, there'll
be episodes that I fucking love. I was like, oh,
we guilty, and it might not get the same response
from people than what I feel it. So I feel
like I can align with not only just artists, but

(39:45):
there's directors, there's producers, anyone who creates something and puts
it out to the world. To be critique, you have
to just know, you have to be realistic in the
fact that it's not going to be for everybody. It's
just not. But I do feel like we and when
I say it's black people, our culture lean into really
wanting to just hate everything, and I hate that for us,

(40:06):
I really do. I do because we don't critique other
films and white art the same. We don't critique I mean,
we'll say that, you know, that's white people shit, and
their critique doesn't hold as much weight. But with our
own people, we definitely do critique it in a way
that I'm like, I don't know what y'all wanted or
what you expected, or why there's like an unrealistic goal

(40:27):
post set for this person. I just don't. So I
want to get into spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't
seen these movies that we're about to talk about.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
You enough time to watch these, You had enough time.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
You had enough time. We're going to get into him,
and we're going to get into highest to lowest because
I have and this is why I like it. So
I have opposite I think perspectives of the two than
what the majority has. So I went into both of
them hating all the critiques, and I was like, you
know what, I'm going to watch this and have my

(41:04):
for my own opinion. Now which one do we want
to start with?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Jason? Well, I was gonna say we should start with
him because although you know this kind of you know,
we're just talking about like general kind of like group
consumption and reaction to stuff in general. But the idea
for this popped up a while ago when Marlon Wayne's
responded to critics when he did that post on Instagram,
and he said, I respect their work, but then he

(41:29):
talked about how some movies that are classics that aren't
critically received well, and he talked about like White Chicks
and some of the other stuff, So I think we
should stick in Him at first.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
So we'll start with him. Him is a film startling
starring Marlon Wayne's and Tyreek Withers written Tomatoes, which again
to me, this is like Billboard. I don't give a
fuck with Rotten Tomatoes ever gives a movie. But they
rated it a thirty one percent, which is very low
because it's out of one hundred y'all. Now, the critiques
have been not so great about it. My personal thoughts.

(42:01):
By the way, have y'all seen the film.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I haven't seen Him.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
You saw it, okay, So give me any pushbacks, especially
if you disagree with me, Jason, and we'll talk about
our critique there.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I liked it or not?

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Oh, let's do it, okay, did you like it or not?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I liked it. I thought he was good.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I thought Him was good, especially because I like so.
I guess it depends what you're going into, right. I
do think that they misquoted the genre for the film.
I think they put it as a horror. I get
that it could be a horror because of the amount
of blood that wasn't it So it was gory. It
was gory, but for me, it actually wasn't far off

(42:45):
from a get Out. It also reminded me a lot
of the many symbolisms and tones that was given an inception,
which I loved, So I like, to me, thriller. I
think it's a thriller.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
So get Out not a horror film to you.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Get Out is not a horror film to me, Like,
and we're supposed to be scared of white people? Yeah,
I mean I think, like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Also, it's like get Out and him are like Jordan
Peel and He's.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
And then they have what us and them. I've seen
all of the joys trying.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
To be like subversive about the idea of horror. I
think it's not that we're afraid of white people. I
think it's telling white people like y'all are scary, and
so we're making y'all this character in these movies.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Which I get. And so what I loved about where
if you take your fucking dick out of your ass
while you're watching this film, you'll be able to understand
the symbolisms that I picked up at because while I
was watching it, I was like, Oh, this is fucking brilliant,
the messages underneath. But I loved that they leaned into
the fact that some people will do whatever it takes

(43:48):
for their goals and dreams. So you had that portion
of it. Then I love seeing football football in the
place of this somewhat cult in terms of a we
know how Americans see this as the best sport in
the world, even though fucking FIFA and soccer really is.

(44:10):
Americans are like, yeah, nah, fucked that football is it?
That is the American sport?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
You don't watch football?

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Who I'm talking about? Yes, that's why I said FIFA nigga,
I don't do that football shit. But for America, football
is maybe it's to the point where you already know
all the red Pill podcasts are like, all right, ladies,
get in the kitchen, we don't want to see you
on Sundays. It's football days. Like men get a whole
day where they don't have to be father's, husband's boyfriends. Literally,

(44:37):
America has set it up to where men just get
to have their own day for once a week for
about what is it, twelve weeks longer than that, right,
because there's preseason and which.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
I think the other side of the corn like us,
like the Black and Puerto Ricans and the Latinos.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I think we multitask, we're not going.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
No, that day is for everyone, And then I think
what else I really enjoyed about it as well was
kind of the It reminds me of what I've talked
about in terms of I don't want to say gatekeepers,
but seeing how Marlon Wayne's character put the same no

(45:23):
matter how difficult it made his life. He had initially
put the same things onto Tyreek's character. Yeah, you know
what I mean. So it's like, we all have this
mindset of when we get to this power, we're gonna
do things so much differently. I think, to dumb it down,
it would be the same way as if you get
a promotion at a certain company and you're like, oh,
I hated how they ran things, and then you end

(45:45):
up in the system, or the same way if you
become a parent. You think you're going to navigate being
a parent differently, but then you end up in the
system of what's the right way to do it or
what's just the way they've done it forever. And so
it was just I thought it was great. I don't
like blood, so I didn't like seeing all the blood,
but I thought the graphics were great. I I really

(46:07):
enjoyed it. I enjoyed it for what it was, and
I just think that.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Maybe I enjoyed it for what it was.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I think people went in maybe wanting to be scared.
There's too much symbolism in thought going behind a scene
or a meaning that they're not trying to jump scare
you ass, They're trying to show like a deeper meaning.
I enjoyed it. What were your what were your takeaway thoughts?
And there was a clip I actually wanted to share
from Tyreek. I thought I sent it to you, but

(46:34):
I see you have a tore clip in here.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, I was gonna do a clip off somebody who
didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Let me let me see what this motherfucker had to say,
because there's a toy to write. Don't be like we
gotta add tore up on here, but to write it.
Just don't be liking it like nothing, all right, he
had to say.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
He said exactly.

Speaker 7 (46:54):
I realized him with some bullshit, but I got that.
It's felt like a weird, long episode of Atlanta, not
a movie. Respect the effort to combine the vibe of
football and the desire to do anything to be the
greatest and the tropes of horror movies.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
But this ship just ain't it that way, That's all
he said. I think that's do you want to know what?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Do you want to know? I would have loved to
see him go on because it just sounded like he
just wanted to hate it. I'll be honest with you too,
but I.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Think he's saying what you're saying, but just the opposite.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Coint.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
But for what it was like, you're you have grace
for what it was.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
But can I say how crazy it is? For all
of the praise we've given Atlanta? Why is it now
bad for a movie to be along along episode of Atlanta?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
But I think that is I think answering that is,
you have to be able to like it for what
it was like. I did enjoy it, but I didn't
think the execution was top notch.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Do you want to know what?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Do you want to know what?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Why? I also think he said that because low Hanging
Fruit so Tyreek Weiers was actually the person in the
Atlanta episode the dealt with biracial.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Like really good episode, one of my favoritepisodes.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
One of my favorite episodes too.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Oh it was great and I thought Atlanta is brilliant,
Like I didn't think Atlanta was just brilliant.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
And but why it was so brilliant was because it
challenged the way we view things. So that's why I said,
for them to challenge him existing as a biracial man
and whatever that looked like him him having this dreaming
goal and these expectations to live up to. Otherwise he'd
let his whole thing down because he literally said, bro,
I lived my whole life for this. I have to

(48:36):
give everything to it. And then to also draw in football,
we've never seen anytime we see sports right in film
and movie. It's mostly either a true story or it's
just the setting of the film, but it dives into like,
I don't know, gambling, it dies into fucking someone or
I mean a lot of the ones recently are dealing
with steroids death. You have magazine something with with Jonathan

(48:59):
major Is. You have the new movie coming out and
I don't know if it's out yet, but I want
to see it. Of the brothers that were all in
wrestling but they all started committing suicide, Yeah, that one,
I think. Is that out yet?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I don't think it's out, but I remember reading that story.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I want to see it. Yeah, there's a story. So
when we think of even sports films, a lot of
them are either based around the greatness of a sports
organization or a real life story. So I love that
they tried something new again.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I like The Temp and I think it's a decent movie.
I think it's just not as smart and as funny
as Atlanta and so I could see that portion of it.
But it wasn't a comedy I know. But again it's
Jordan Peele and his horrors have a lot of dark
humor to them, and I just think some I think
some things were like the wife is like an influencer
and then she's like some like selling like the Jade Egg.

(49:47):
Like some of it it's just like bad execution, the
so heavy handed about like his father and like Black Fathers.
Like it just seemed a little bit I don't say,
like not Rush, but like you know, they just didn't
hit everything well and in terms of like all right,
this is the plot point for this to connect that one.
Like I thought Marlon was great. Jason, what was Jason?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
What was the last movie that hit every mark for you?

Speaker 2 (50:13):
But I don't think that. I don't think any movies
are like perfect, you know what I mean? And again
I'm saying this. I liked him, I enjoyed him. I
give it super positive remarks like a yo, I just
don't think. I don't think it was flawless, you know
what I mean? Like and I think, you know, we'll
get to the next movie, which I didn't think was good.
But what is good?

Speaker 4 (50:30):
But what do we expect from when they say a
Jordan peel move produced directed movie, we should already know
at the bare minimum that.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
It's going to be some thought provoking you gotta watch
it to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
And it was.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I think that's always the goal with him. So why
do we over.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Critique his ship but not you guys? I'm saying, like
the you know, the ones who hate on.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
It, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I guess I wonder what people like when you When
I am going through podcasts and albums, I said the
often right when I like, I like to feel things.
I like to be challenged in my own thought. So
when I go to a certain podcast, depending on my mood,
if I'm in the mood to listen to politics, I'm
gonna go to higher learning. If I want to laugh
and hear people get cussed out, I'm gonna listen to

(51:13):
the read if I want to hear people have awful
takes all at the same time, I'm going to listen
to the Joe Button pod, And so I see here.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I wouldn't give them that. I think there's another pod
that I associate that with.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Wait, who gives awful takes? If I want to if
I want to listen to.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
A pod.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
At this selective ignorance, and let us know who gives
awful take?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Actually?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Actually, if I want to, if I want to listen
to a pod that talks about all the things going
on in life but makes it funny, I listen to
Brilliant Idiots. If I want to listen to thought provoking
women speak about politics and pop culture, I'm going to
listen to Around the Way Curls in No Way. And
this is why I didn't like Mister Morale and the
Big Steppers. Nothing about that album made me feel anything.

(51:56):
I don't want to listen to a bit yelling at
you nothing. It doesn't feed me.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
So if I get people going into this film maybe
wanting to be scared, maybe because it's Jordan Peel, they
expected the super maybe more more on the nose. Oh,
it's black people scared of white people. It's you know,
and it just wasn't that. And I just wanted to
bring it up to because I don't know if y'all
have watched it as an adult. Going back to numbers,

(52:22):
White Chicks got fifteen percent on Rotten Tomatoes and White
Chicks for many of us, is a fucking classic and.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
We like it.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
But I'm wondering, if you again, at that time in
our life, right, we all just wanted to support the
fucking Wayne's brothers. So I wonder if that's what it is.
We're not seeing Marlon Wayne's in what we believe.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
In what we know him to make Jordan Peel movie
with Marlon Wayne, no ship. So love that.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
We get it.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Yeah, we get a twenty twenty five year where we
get a Jordan Peel movie and a Spike Lee movie.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
That was We're not going there.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I like the transition and I feel that's that's that's.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
A Spike Lee. I get it to like Spike Lee
should have wiped his ass with the script. This was okay,
I'm gonna tell you now. I'm gonna tell you now.
If every you guys hold on if y'all go and
listen to any podcast, right, And I've been asked this
on various podcasts over the years. I no, no, no, no.

(53:19):
If if I could sit at a dinner table with
three people, dead or alive, who would it be? I
want to lead with Every single time, one of those
people has been Denzel Washington. I shared that earlier this year,
I bought mind you, I don't even want to go
to Halloween Hornets because the ticket four hundred dollars. I
spent five hundred dollars to go see fucking Denzel and

(53:45):
will give me the white man that I love? Yeah, Odella,
damn it. I like the white boy. He did it
with them.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Why can't I think of it right now?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Please? Please please, because this is one of my favorite whites.
So I love Denzel. I've loved Denzel so much that
Jake jalng Hall there we go. In two thousand and four,
I'll never forget this, y'all. Two thousand and four, it
was my eighth grade year. We weren't doing great with money,

(54:18):
so our Christmas was just exactly what we wanted, and
my mom gave us all our Christmas gifts in food
line bags if y'all are from Florida, y'all remember food lines.
So I'm thirteen, fourteen years old, and we get our gifts,
and I remember that year, the two gifts that I

(54:39):
actually wanted I got, and then mind you really crazy.
Then we just had a whole bunch of Christmas candy
in it. My gift was the DVD. Let me start
with the book first, I got the book Coldest Whenever
Classic Classic. I don't think my mom knew what she
was buying me. And then the DVD he got Game.

(55:00):
My two gifts the one year that my mama was like, bitch,
I can't afford these gifts and your daddy tripping. And
so anytime Denzel came out with anything, I saw it.
So what do I do when I see the Denzel
and Spike Lee have teamed up again again again? I

(55:20):
gotta see it. Let's be very clear. Let's be very clear.
Spike Lee somehow, with the terrible acting of Ray Allen,
made that movie. Ray Allen has to be one of
the fucking worst worst people to ever hear from him.
Came bro. They made us like Ray Allen as the actor.
They made us look at Ray Allen as Jesus shuttles
Worth that Nigga's acting was so bad we still didn't

(55:42):
give a fuck and called that Nigga Jesus for like
the rest of his goddamn career.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
That's how you.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Spike gotta be somewhat good to make Ray bro I
really believed him and Rosario Dawson was together like and
then they were both It was just bad acting, right,
So I've seen really good classic movies have bad acting
and still enjoy them. Baby, Denzel, wipe this late clean,

(56:08):
remove it off your I m B D, I m
dB whatever it is. This is the worst film I've
seen all year, highest to lowest. Everything the bad acting,
the writing, the scripting, the casting, the story itself, the
story some tracks.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Do you think that there's another bar They could have
another measure they could have hit with the storyline.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I don't know how this was Greenland.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Well they Spike do what he wants?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
No, it got Spike, so it got It came through Denzel.
It came through Denzel. Denzel got the script, and then
Denzel reached out to Spike.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I'm surprised that Denzel like.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
You and the script was the first time. This is
his first credit the script writers first credit.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
So it should be in his last And so maybe
and this is just based off the story of Chad
with Bozman and how Denzel sponsored him quietly. Maybe that's
you know, Denzel recently came out and said that he's
got seven more films left, and maybe this was just like,
I'm gonna hold.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
You down, little little little why in I got you
a little script?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
White dude, white dude even that.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Well, maybe he was like, yo, I with this kid,
I'm gonna get him his launch and you know, this
is gonna be his launching pad. And then I'm on
to the next thing because he's gonna be in Black Panther, right,
He's gonna be in some other movies.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
So it's like, here's nothing.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I'm gonna let anybody who liked this film, good for you.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I liked you liked it because I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't look at that.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Once I saw what the movie was, I was like, Okay,
this is they're telling a story about the music industry
and where we're at in the digital.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Age that.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
But I thought that was the worst part of it.
It was just old like, well, here's the thing. And
by the way, the same way that Man. He says,
she was like Denzel, That's how I feel about Spike Lee.
Get me, Like I'm waiting for like like a big
prestigious Spike Spike Lee right memoir or biography book, like
I think it works amazing. But it's like he's like
completely out of range on this, Like it's like it's

(58:07):
like mad Old, pull your pants up, like aspectability politics
with it all like and and and it's supposed to
be the music industry at the end, like.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
By the way, the sound design and you are a
sound design sound so you.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Like there was some issues. I guess maybe I'm over.
I don't look at that.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
I don't think that Denzel and Spike could do any
wrong at this point, So even if they do.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Something like you know, I don't think the previous I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Okay, got game he Alcolm X. Inside Man, of course,
I love the standards.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Inside Man was was Spike Lee.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Inside Man was?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I did not do that. But what I'm saying, although
can I just say Inside Man he redid that?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
But yeah, but Inside Man was was the movie that
I feel like he did three or four times with
four different directors because like Man on fire. It's there
was a lot of movie movies at one time that
he did where I was like.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
This is all the same goddamn movie, right, you know
what I mean? But no, Wow, I didn't know it
could be that could be part of it, that could
be part of my field.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
No high Solos felt like, I mean, here's the thing
he's just running out of. I love Denzel and up
till now. His worst film to me that I didn't like,
And it's also just because I felt like there wasn't
enough words in it was Book of Eli.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
And maybe I hate another messaging.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It was one of the messaging movies from the Bible.
It was in black and white, and I felt like
he had maybe fifteen words the follow you don't Yeah,
we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do That's.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Not that I don't like the Bible, Mary Joseph.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
If if Denzel's hair was different, yo, would it be better?
His his contribution can be better.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
It was the Tyler Perry wig spray On.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
It was a Tyler Perry like twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I and He's the thing where I wanted to even
lean into these critiques. We started even talking about Cardi
and Waiting, but what people thought of the album and
and now getting into these films. I mean, do we
not like the First Amendment? Do we not want to
allow people to have differences of opinions? Like me saying
how much I hate this film doesn't make me a hater.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
No, I don't think it doesn't make me hate her.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
It makes me be someone who hates this film.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
But I think what is you can hate something that?
And y'all had a comment at dinner and you told him,
said he, what do you think about the movie? And
you told him and he said, y, I expect the
next one to be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
That, Oh, let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Let me ask you that question. As people who publicly
share their opinions, what are your thoughts about people who
share opinions online but when they get in front of
somebody and switch up. I'm trying to think, like if
I messed like Lee and he was like, Yo, you
you catch my latest flick?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
What you thought of it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
In the moment? I think I like that response. I
can't wait to see what you do next now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Knowing you, though you're not gonna say yo, actually asked
you to be knowing me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
It depends how many drinks I had.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
I think that there's some people that just obnoxious. I
don't think you fall into that way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I would, I wouldn't be obnoxious, but I definitely would
be like, Yo, I really loved what you've done with Denzel.
I hope y'all continue, but I don't. I don't know.
I wouldn't be able to tell him I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
No, and you don't have to, but you have legitimate
reasons for disliking it that I feel like you can
say that I dislike it. I hate it, like it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Took me three days to finish it. I've never stopped
and not finished a whole Denzel movie like ever in
my life. Like like bro othello, I didn't even understand them, niggas.
I was like referencing it from watching Oh Back with
Makai Piffer and Julius Stiles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I was like, oh wait, I know what's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Going on, and I was just liking Denzel being Denzel.
But like, I hated this film so much. And it's
interesting because we semi leaned into it a bit. But
when I talk about the things I don't like or
my difference as opinions with other podcasters, nigga. They love
to call me a hater, and I'm like, I don't
understand why I, as another podcaster, am left to being

(01:02:19):
someone who can't critique. I just talked about how I
feel like it's nutty that we're all critiquing album cells
and all these things, like we're inside the industry, but me,
who's been a podcaster for nine years gets gets called
a bully or a hater for having critiques on my
peers and the people in my space. Again, when I
talked about the Sheet Magazine Awards, I expect a certain

(01:02:41):
level of professionalism in a space that I've been in.
So when I'm listening to podcasters and I don't like
a take on serious topics like domestic violence or things
like that, especially from the mouths of women, I should
be able to speak on it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
I think those pods are performative though they do that
shit because they know it theyg gonna get it, but
not necessarily that their audio number is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I think I think it's like jokes, getting away of
so much stuff, Like whether it's podcast or like online,
it's like you want to fire off these jokes. To
Mandy's point, I'm not going to say in front of
somebody's face, but I'll get that off. And that's the
part that like really bothers me because like with Mandy, Hey,
I know you listen to a lot of podcasts. I'm
actually surprised my podcast you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Have you been? Have you been?

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
In?

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
My friends they hate like mind you pregame and things
like that is always in my house or when we're
on vacation. Them just don't get to listen to music.
So even even Crystal, they don't get to listen to music.
Even Crystal came over my house the other day. That's
my best friend for y'all that are new here, and
we were getting ready to go out and I was

(01:03:50):
literally playing the joke on the podcast. She was like, bitch,
do you never like how do you always have this on?
And I said, well, let me tell you. I'm an
hour in, two twenty minutes in, and there's an hour
and forty one minutes left, so it takes me days
to finish it. And then when I finish it, yeah,
the read is also over an hour. Higher learning is
over an hour. Higher learning also drops twice a week.
Multi these pods now drop multiple times a week, so

(01:04:13):
I don't listen to as much music.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I'll listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Music when i'm fucking and when i'm thinking. That's the
only time I listen to music.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Thank you for that. But my point, as I finish,
is that sorry about that. My point that I was
going to say is that because I know you listen
to so many podcasts that when you give a critique
or you give feedback up line, I take what you
say very seriously of course, right, Like I don't think
that you're just doing it offhandedly or flippantly like that

(01:04:42):
You've put in work, and so when you say something
about it, I'm like, all right, this is coming with
like some if not substantial thought, like at least it's
not just some like fly by Night like you know what.
It's like, I listened to the whole three hours and
for the past three weeks, and this is what I
say about what they're doing lately. And I just feel
like a lot of critique, like even with like the
highest Lewess, like I heard like a lot of the
like word of mouth, like it wasn't good, it wasn't good.

(01:05:04):
And then when I tried to look it up online
to see what people were saying, like it was just
all jokes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
They were saying jokes about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
It was just like mad jokes about like I can't
belay to cast this person or like this person or whatever.
And I'm like, all right, like why don't y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Really like it's the real critic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
But then if I look up at like an actual
like review and then i'm reading the review, I'm like, yeah,
I see that point, I see a point, and then
when I watch it, I'm like, yeah, I feel that
I'm getting similar vibes of why I didn't like it,
And so it's it's it's kind of hard to kind
of get like a read of like what people actually
feel about stuff because online is so tricky to gauge

(01:05:37):
like which jokes and what's performative versus like this is
what I'm actually.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
You gotta go by yourself because we probably missed out
on masterpieces because we rely on not us. But like
you know, community relies on community on social media to
determine whether or not the like the album to drop.
They'll go scan before they listen to it, listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
It, listen, and then go listen to the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Lunch table and figure it out. But I don't think
we give each other a chance for that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
No, I agree, I agree, and I just you know,
want us to like open up and allow people to disagree,
Like when y'all listen to this podcast, I know, because
even a king will hit me up like, oh I
hated yo take here, and then I hated your guest.
Take kudos to you for having to edit and listen
to this shit back because I know draws you goddamn crazy.
But even for the listeners like I appreciate and open

(01:06:27):
the floor up to more of just allowing people to
agree to disagree. That was actually gonna be the name
of this podcast, y'all agree to disagree, but it was
taken by like five different people. I love selective ignorance better.
And what's crazy is I think it came from a
conversation with somebody who said select and it just stuck.
It just suck. It might have actually been an ish,
but I ain't gonna give them that credit because then

(01:06:47):
he can want a percentage of something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
But I have a question for you. Talk to me.
So you were mentioning like the things you do and
you consider them aret and so that means there's an
audience for it. What do you imagine your audience? Who
who listens to all the combination of stuff, because obviously
you have a file. You have a huge filing, right
like you have three hundred thousand people on Instagram. If
you combine all your stuff for podcasts and everything, it's

(01:07:10):
a substancial, substantial group that's checking in with what you do.
And who do you imagine who your audience is? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah, like I know for sure from a from a
female listener, I believe that audience is. I believe them
to be educated. I believe them to be making a good,
substantial money, and I believe them to either aspire to
be as open as I am, or women that are

(01:07:38):
just as open as I am, Like they don't take
no shit, and they're opinionated, and they're just as grateful
as I am that we live in this part of
the world, not the world, but also what the two
we're in twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Twenty five, right, this part of them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I don't know this part of life because I don't
know if I exist as who I am if I
was born in the nineteen sixty they're born, you know,
in a different era. We're in this era. There we go,
and so I believe that those are my female listeners.
The male listeners I think hate listen. I think I
have a mixture of male men that like do hate
listen to me, but also men that might not be

(01:08:16):
as misogynistic and appreciate the perspective from a woman's standpoint.
I do believe my audience is skewed between twenty five
to forty five, a little older, just because I like
to get into the shit. I don't think I have
a young audience. I don't care myself very.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Young, you know what I mean. And then so I'm
asking also I'm asking you this then because you mentioned
the other day when we were chatting, you said, the
reaction if somebody checks your social is one thing and
it seems like it's mixed or people are hating on you.
But in person, when you account o people, it's all love.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah, it's way different. But it's probably like what we
just talked about with Spike.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Like I say, like your audience, well also like your
real audience.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I mean I'm Spike's audience, no to here, know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Who you just described as your audience is probably the
people that you're running into in person.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, the educated people that
I spoke about aren't going under anonymous names and leaving
the hateful comments that I'm getting throughout the things. So
a lot of my audience also like reminds me every
single time, like, bruh, but we see you, bruh. We
don't being here on this journey with you. Stop giving
Stop giving the hater so much light. And I think

(01:09:26):
that's the part about this, Like, we love the freedom
of speech to be able to critique, to uplift the
things we like, and it's not that we're tearing down
the things we dislike. However, unfortunately the hate is louder
than the support sometimes, you know what I mean, because
it's also just what people enjoy. I was just saying
on my radio show when we were talking about Nicki

(01:09:47):
and Carti, she was like, I just want the girls
to stop fighting, and in my mind, I was like,
I don't. This is entertainment, And unfortunately, like the things
that we share, especially when we hate something is viewed
as entertainment for a lot of us. And we like
the gossip, we like the mess, we like the divorce chatter.
We don't like when people are happy and so Unfortunately

(01:10:09):
the hate becomes loud because that's also what we like
to consume. We just do. I just, I just in
terms of critiquing art, there's a way to just say
you don't like something without making me seem like I'm
a hater. I wanted to fail like I want. I
want Denzel and Spike to make all the money from that,

(01:10:31):
because I want black men and black women in all
facets of art to get to the fucking bag.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
But if I'm on a mic or I'm out in
public and I'm not a phony ass bitch, and I'm
gonna share with you my thoughts and opinions. If I
don't like something, I don't like it, and we should
all be able to do that. I would say, at
the end of the day, go watch him, Go highest
to Lois, Go get Cardi B's new album and anything
online that you say.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
You know that you hear that people hate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I encourage you to go check it out for yourself. Now,
don't come suing me, because yes, you cannot get that
time back, bitch, I spent three days trying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
To watch I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I'm just saying, you know what's crazy. Time is the
one thing you can't get back. That's why these niggas
waste my money, don't waste my time. I could get
the money back, I can't get the time back. So
if y'all sit down, just know that you might not
get that ninety four minutes back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You might not like you'll never get back. You don't
get time. I hated the most about highest lowest. What
remember remember scene no hate, we can hate? What has
the scene where like character was chasing Rocky's character.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Its Spike.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
No, it wasn't him. When he jumped up, Spike held
the camera and awaited me look old old like he's
all right, man slow. When he was going up the steps,
I was like, yeah, it's a better way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
You could have cut right because they look he was
out of breath, but he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
I didn't running. I went to I stopped, and I
went to, that is a bullet. I want always Denzel.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Because by the way, he is stunt double.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
I mean, this is double Spike.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
You gotta protect your man, hold him down.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
He was like, mind you, mind you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I don't know how much of the film he actually
did himself, but Gladiator he was out there doing somethings.
So you know, I mean, actually, but I think he
only fought in the in the in the pond or
the river at the end. Other than that, he just
kept putting his versace cloak over his goddamn show.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Look, I mean they hated Belly when he came out.
Now it's a certified classic. Yeah, I mean, and that
expect and that was also we've been like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Like, I mean, things growing now. It was like he's
we've been we've been like dancing around like the word expectation,
like we say expectations here there, like all three of
us been saying that like that. That also paints how
we think, Like my expectations for Belly are gonna be different.
White Chicks. It's gonna be different than like a Denzel
Spike Froning movie. So you know you're gonna grade different
on the curve for that, which I think White White

(01:13:13):
Chicks is a classic, Like it's a late night like
I don't have to change your channel on HBO, I'm already.
White Chicks is the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Movie as an adult you put on when you know
you don't want to finish the movie, but you're okay
with missing it, So you know, you're gonna fuck in
the middle, like it's okay, y. You know, there's certain
movies like different type of classes, like it's a different
type of classic, like you're okay with not finishing. White
Chicks Love White Chicks. That was my favorite movie when
I was thirteen, before I was fucking. But now White

(01:13:40):
Chicks is so good, I'll turn it on you. Okay,
Just so y'all know, my other favorite movie is Law
Abiding Citizen. But that's also a movie where I might
suck your dick and we're gonna miss a large portion
of the movie. Look, Lawbodies is wait wait wait, he's
a white man fox and uh Russell Gerard Butler. I

(01:14:01):
mixed up him and Russell Crost sometimes, but Gerard Butler. Nigga,
you've never seen Law Abiding Citizens?

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Hold on, I've seen the trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
No no, no, no, no anyone watching right now. I'm gonna
give you, guys some of my favorite films real quick
before we get out of here, just so that now
you could judge me if you're like movie, yeah, some
of my favorite films. Okay, so you law Abiding Citizen
one hundred thousand percent. Then Training Day, one of my

(01:14:32):
faves of course, that's a classic classic. You want to
know a movie that makes me feel like I could
be all you pul sass Wholes three hundred. I think
that's another one with Gerard Butler.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Butler, that's one of my favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
That's my favorite white. I ain't gonna hold you. I
really like him. I really like him a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
I think it's a quality white.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Yeah, no, he's a quality white. Then if we lean
into like comedies a little bit, love step Brothers, Oh
my god, love love.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
More quality whites love, Uh, what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Bridesmaids? Great film, love inception. I want to watch it
back right now. But Butterfly Effect used to be one
of my one of my favorite ones as well with
Ashton Kutcher. And then all the movies that I actually
like growing up, I hate them now Loving Basketball, terrible
fucking film, Oh terrible as another film that I actually
really like, but questionable save the Last Dance, Derek, Derek,

(01:15:29):
you can help.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Who you love? That never moving? She was moving so stiff.
I don't know if you watching.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Live Dream, It's not as hot as Crazy Crazy, But
I would just say those are some of my my
favorite movies. Oh and then if you really want to
get into it. I love all all, don't make me
rate them. Hunger Games. Hunger Games is one of my
favorite sci fi sci fi trilogies, frilogies.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I don't know, do you have time to watch this
ship playing?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
But she just made she just mentioned movies from like
the past.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Oh yeah, I'm now. I really only get to watch
movies on planes, so when I travel long distances. That's
why I only like Delta because I don't see how y'all,
how y'all niggas be getting on these planes with no
TVs like I'd have tried it with something. I was like, whoa,
there's not even a there's not even a pocket in
the seat for me to put anything. I got onto

(01:16:24):
another flight recently and I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Oh, do you remember that. It was like a headline
where people they said they were raw dog in flights.
They were flying from New York to LA with no phone,
no movies.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
That's no, that's insane. Just there's no way, there's no way,
there's no way I could go up five. I'm only
doing those type of flights when it's like less than
an hour hour and a half max. Bro, Because by
the time you get up, you coming down. I'm not
doing a two three, four, five six hour flight on

(01:16:54):
no frontier spirit, none of them with no TVs. Bruh,
not doing it, not fucking doing it. Anyways. Those are
some of my favorite movies. If you hate them, I'm
not gonna call you a hater. You are you know
you're subjective to your own opinion. Short, go ahead, do it.
Do we have any last words for this? Outside of that,
I'm just gonna say, y'all can hate things and not

(01:17:17):
be a hater. And I would like for you to
do wantto others as you would like done unto you,
which means if you want the ability to hate something
and critique something in public and not like it when
someone disagrees with you or doesn't see yours, don't immediately
go to talking shit about they. Mama, don't call them fat,
don't call them ugly. They're not a hater just because

(01:17:38):
you have a difference of opinion. That is what we
should actually be fighting for right now, y'all, because Trump
is literally aligning himself with the person who is allegedly
created Project twenty twenty five, even though he said it
wasn't a real thing. So we are literally living in
fear right now of not being able to have our
own opinions or being able to critique a goddamn thing.
And so with that said, y'all let people like and

(01:17:59):
dis like what they want publicly, because that is like
the beauty. It's the beauty of where we live right now.
And again, no one's the devil just because they don't
like what you don't like, and let's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Liking stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
Verses to wait, was that a Bible verse?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I feel like somebody don't wrap that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Somebody don't wrap that. Let me ask, bt has anyone
rapped do all the other? This was a mad both.
It's the second listen, somebody anyways? Do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Y'all have anything?

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Y'all want to let the people know y'all got anything
going on. Jason, you said you're working on a lot. Y'all,
I don't know what you got going on. He ain't
let me know nothing over there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
What you're doing now speak knocking out my newsletter? Right
if you like rap check out my newsletter.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I'm gonna that info Jason Rodriguez dot info. We're gonna
put that in the description of this episode so that
people can get to know your your Mind, journalism Jayson
and ain'tk anything with you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Stuff cooking, stuff is stuff is cooking through Q four.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Oh god, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
We're going to come out.

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