December 30, 2025 • 53 mins
In this reflective year-end episode of Selective Ignorance, Mandii B is joined by super producer A-King and journalist Jayson Rodriguez for an honest and insightful look back at the past year of the podcast and the ever-evolving podcasting industry. The conversation opens with a candid year-end recap, setting the tone for reflection, growth, and gratitude [00:00]. From there, the trio breaks down the evolution of Selective Ignorance itself, unpacking how the show has gone through multiple creative renditions and sharpened its voice over time [02:48].
As the discussion deepens, Mandii, A-King, and Jayson zoom out to examine the broader podcast landscape, analyzing industry shifts, major deals, and what platforms like Netflix signal about the future of audio and visual storytelling [05:59]. They explore how video podcasts are reshaping audience expectations, creator visibility, and content strategy in real time [09:11], while also addressing the realities of monetization, sustainability, and what it truly takes to turn a podcast into a viable business [12:05].
The episode doesn’t shy away from the challenges. The hosts openly discuss audience engagement, retention struggles, and the pressures creators face while trying to stay authentic in a crowded media ecosystem [14:58]. This naturally leads into a conversation about growth—both personal and professional—and the long-term aspirations for Selective Ignoranceas a platform rooted in cultural commentary and fearless dialogue [17:54]. A reflective pause brings the conversation toward early conclusions and gratitude for the journey thus far [21:08], before the episode expands even further.
Returning to the mic with renewed focus, the hosts revisit the broader evolution of podcasting itself, comparing past and present eras of the medium and how creators must now navigate algorithms, branding, and cultural relevance [27:16]. They reminisce about memorable episodes, standout guests, and moments that defined the year [28:43], including episodes that sparked debate and challenged listeners through controversial subject matter [31:07]. Political conversations and their ripple effects on audience response and public discourse are also examined [34:10], reinforcing the show’s commitment to thoughtful, sometimes uncomfortable conversations.
As the episode winds down, Mandii, A-King, and Jayson reflect on cultural shifts, social commentary, and the responsibility of podcasters as voices within the culture [40:01]. The conversation closes by looking ahead—offering predictions, hopes, and strategic insight into where podcasting is headed next, and how Selective Ignorance plans to evolve alongside it [46:09].
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,
(00:03):
before we get to this week's episode, I want to
remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So feel free to go to your local bookstores.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Preferably queer owned, black owned, or woman owned to support them,
but also just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles,
or wherever you read your books.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Again.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
That is No Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual
exploration and power, written by yours truly and my co
host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy. Make sure y'all
get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This
is Mandy be Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of
the Black Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome,
(00:48):
and kind of audios to the end of twenty twenty five.
This is the last episode of Selective Ignorance for the year,
and of course, like most of your favorite pods, we.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Are doing a recap of our full year because.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You know what we don't do over here, seasons ten episodes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You're getting it weekly, babe, and we've been giving it
to you twice a week.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh baby, honey, guys, it is your girl, Mandy B.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And I'm super super, super super excited to be doing
this with my super producers show. We got journalism, Jason.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Ibb me straight out of Jersey.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
There's a lot of jays there, a lot of j
a lot of jays, there, a lot of jay's there. First,
we have podcasts og legend sir a King, that's.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right, that's right, that.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yo, you'd be slaying some slick ship doing the intro
and I feel like I'm part of g unit. Wh
I just kind of ride and be on board and
your beef is mine?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That is crazy? Or I don't think what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Wait wait the fifty cent ever flight ya yo?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Or or Lloyd, I'm saying we had we set to
ride with it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You have to. You have no choice. You have no choice.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Absolutely, my beef is your beef.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
But you know what, that's why, that's why leading into it,
you gotta kind of mellow her out before and didn't
get crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So then once we get there, it's like, all right, cool,
we got we level headed. Now you don't have to
just jump out you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
It's funny because I was gonna say, luckily this year,
I didn't have much beef, But that would be a lie.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It wasn't beef. It was the science made impossible beef.
It was like it was all fake beef. I didn't
have beef actually with anybody this year if you ask me, h,
I clearly had opinions which were shared heavily on this
podcast over the year about a whole lot of things,
(03:02):
and I'm really excited to be going into another year
of bringing new things, new waves.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
One of the things.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That Jason brought up in the group chat was the
fact that this pod in its first kind of full year.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, let me see what episode are we on.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This is episode forty two, so technically we're still not
at a complete full year.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's fifty two episodes, right A King that make like that?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
That's that's I mean, yes, we're going by the calendar year.
It's fifty two week ago.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, this is episode technically.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Forty four, and so I mean, if you really want
to be technical, you add the bonus episodes to be
put out bonus content.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We've been doing a year's work for content in a
shorter amount of time. Hello you podcasters out there.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We have done that. We have done that.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But Jason mentioned that this pod has went through technically
three renditions of a show, and I don't want to
talk a little bit to that for anyone who's listening
who's a podcast consumer or just a podcast nerd and
likes to dissect how new shows are doing things or
what the podcast landscape.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Looks like for the creators.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I kind of wanted to get into this before we
all share our thoughts on the Netflix. iHeart Charlemagne deal
that just got announced. But Jason, in your mind, what
are the three renditions that this show over forty four
episodes has kind of shape shifted to be.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, So I think I think version one was kind
of a high concept, right, Like you had your you know,
like sort of like a targeted word and everything was
built around that where those like privileged patriarchy, fat shaming,
biological clock right, yes, and then sort of the ignorance
applied to it was the question mark at the end
(04:55):
about it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well you're right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Even our episode titles yeah to be questions, Yeah, and
that's changed since then.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, but but I think but but I think that
got you like leaning into like the original thing that
you wanted to do, where it's like these these topics
that you wanted to tackle that were.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Different than decisions decisions, right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yes, And then I think I think we got into
version two, which was a bit more like, uh, interview based,
And I think I think with version one it was
very much like what's your take on this topic, like
against like my mind many once you set this like table,
(05:36):
like really hard, like and this is where I stand
and I'm not budget And so I think version two
became a bit more like interview based, where it was
kind of like I'm asking you questions and less like
your like takes and kind of just who you are
what you feel about a certain topic. I think like
the most pronounced one of that was like when.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
We did.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Uh, who were we talking about when we had Rocky
on and we were talking about like corporate, Yeah, yeah,
corporate and their experiences, right, and so we were like
booking specific people to work.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
To, yes, your back specific topics yep.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah. And then and I think the third version I
think you felt and I think with the second version, Ah,
we were getting less.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
To you, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And the second version I realized too, like we were
going away from what I.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
But also you were being like a very polished hole.
You were serving your guests and asking them questions and
kind of like you know, teeing them up and you know.
But I remember we had a talk and you were like, yo,
I like these podcasts, and you rattled off a few
of them, and you were like, Yo, I want it
where it's more like I'm talking to y'all. We could
have a guest or not, but if we do, they're
(06:49):
folding into what we're doing already instead of like you
interviewing them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I think when I had the conversation where I
was like, yo, making sure we get guests every week
and ask and people to pull up, I said, God,
damn it, I don't really like that. So I said,
I had a talk with Jason and a King, and
I was like, y'all are both so strong and opinionated
when we do pre production, when we're in our group chat,
when we just talk as friends. I said, I need
(07:13):
more from y'all. I said, come in.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I said, don't don't be afraid to get on the mic.
And share your opinion.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I said, I want y'all to debate me, question my thoughts,
but I would like.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And then for the first for the first couple of episodes,
I remember you were like, Yo, y'all are doing it, said.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Y'all aren't doing what I asked.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And then I think we got kind of a bit
more comfortable. I think we hit our big stride in
New York together and I realized I can't wait to
get rich and have the budget to fly Jason down
to the Atlanta a couple.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Times a month.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
But yeah, then we got to that, and I feel
confident with where we're at now. I also love leaning
into our segment the double down, our take it back.
We know we may or may not do that, but
we know that I'm going to start the episode off
with one of us talking about something ignorant we did
for the week or thought we had that becomes like
(08:10):
kind of an icebreaker and way to catch up with
each other, and then we have ironically, if you're not
in Atlanta. Our segments are the segments that I created
for my radio show show here So This is America,
which allows me to lean into what the fuck is
happening in our country politically, and then celebrities say the
darnest things. Allows us to dive into pop culture. By
(08:33):
the way, A King, I was about to say delve,
but I know how much you hate that word.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I had that one complexities y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Y'all don't even know de No dev is apparently what
AI likes to put into everyone's description. So guys, if
you go into a podcast or read their description of
the episode, the word delve isn't there.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Del.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's not the M dash because I'm a writer and
I use M dashes and they try to say that's AI.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
That ain't it's del.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Then delve is the word that AI will throw up
in there.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But yeah, like so, I'm really excited on the rendition
that we have now, I like, my, my, my, my,
super producers leaning into this thing. And to be fair, Jason,
we might kind of be leaning into a three point
five version by having John now weekly if if you
(09:28):
aren't on Patreon, if you haven't been listening to the
Bonus episodes, It's been announced that Jah will now be
a co host on the show once.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
A week, at least for.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
At least the first quarter of He's going to run
six I know that I've been talking to you guys
on the discord and they like them.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They like y'all. I mean not that I'm surprised, you
know what I mean, y'all, lie, y'all ie.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They like him, and they like y'all a lot better
than some of the other guests we've had this year.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And we can talk about that too in a little bit,
But before we do, we live, eat, breathe this industry.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And so even though I got to talk about it
on the class assembly with quite a few of you,
I wanted to end the year off with our predictions
on the direction of the podcast industry, as well as
our thoughts, views and such on this Netflix iHeart podcast,
(10:29):
this Netflix volume deal, this Charlemagne two hundred million dollar
contract renewal, And so how do y'all want to start it? Because,
first off, if you could insert here a king the applause,
Charlemagne has this podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
On his Black Effect network over at the iHeart Podcast group.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And so I'm I'm gonna tell you now, Charlemagne better
be knocking on my door this.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You have to bring this show to motherfucking Netflix.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Need a book, Charlotte, need a book.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Listen to this show decisions decisions. I don't mind.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm excited to get our set next year and really
hone in on what this platform is. But I would
love for you to, since you were on the class assembly,
to share your thoughts about what this means for the industry.
A King, any kind of insider tea you have. And Jason,
just also as someone who's been in also who has
(11:28):
grown with the industry, You've been one that hasn't been shy.
You're like, I'm not just saying a journalist that writes
for print, I'm gonna learn how to do every element
of this media scale and be involved with how it's changing.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So A, can you go first?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And than Jason, Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
I think it just we should be looking in twenty
twenty seven right now, right, I think these conversations didn't
just happen yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know, this is just the.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Finalization of it, right. I think these conversations I remember
I was having I don't give too much inside and stuff,
but I remember I was in a meeting and they
were talking about this Netflix stuff for about over a
year that Netflix had the intentions to get into pod space,
and it wasn't more recently. It wasn't until more recently
revealed that their intention of dropping fifty two or whatever
(12:20):
the number was to start off twenty twenty, to start
off twenty twenty six. And so then the flurry of
announcements came. Iheard, you know, and then everybody else, and
then you know, it was like, wow, this is the possibilities, right,
and I believe the early I don't know what the
particulars are for necessarily the Breakfast Club deal, but I
(12:42):
know they had wanted to do one one off, like
one season, licensed to the video of the podcast for
one year, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Kind of opened up the portal.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Right, what I'm curious to see is how Netflix continued
to go and back for bad with YouTube, you know
what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
See if they to do original content, which I'm assuming
they will because they.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Do original movies, right, But I think that we shouldn't
be looking at twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What's next? It is Peacock or somebody else gonna gonna
be Yeah, or Hulu. I know Prime Amazon has this thing, but.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, I think would make sense, especially considering the
amount of reality television.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That they have over there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
There's a large portion of unscripted, which essentially is what
podcasting is, right and and what I'm hearing too more
is that people don't want to call podcast podcasts anymore
their shows, and it's because they're full level at this
point productions, we are paying into video audio.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
There's teams that have.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We're pushing out clips, you know, And I want to
have that conversation too, right after I hear Jason's thoughts
on this, but yeah, how do you see this shifting
the landscape of podcasting moving forward?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I don't know, like I don't know if it's
like that much of a like a seismic shift for podcasting.
I think, you know, so like in like the media
business as it's conversing with the technology business. You know,
we're kind of like seen this in the past where
it's like YouTube in the past created like these like
multi channel networks, and that's how you had like the
(14:26):
one with Rockefeller and Rock Nation, what's it called Life
and Times with jay Z right when that was like
funded that was essentially funded by YouTube. And and then
you know Facebook did the same thing with like Facebook Watch,
and that's how you got like red Table Talk. So
it's like, you know, they shell out money for themselves,
and it's really kind of like the industry of themselves
rather than like the industry that they're partnering with. And
(14:50):
I think with Netflix, you know, Netflix is ce Co
Ceo tests Rhinos. He's very sharp, and he says like,
we're competing with anything that draws attention, so rather than
you know, YouTube's the biggest one, but he's also competing
with TikTok.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
He's also competing with general cable. You know, books aren't.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
The same, but like you know, anything that kind of
like draws your attention, and you know, podcasts are cheaper
to do a deal with than like getting scripted shows, right,
And so I think what's happening is when you have
like the conversation about like video podcasting, and you see
like the trade magazines and the Hollywood Reporter doing the
cover story about like, uh, you know, video podcasts. A
(15:29):
lot of that is like celebrity based, Like any polar
is probably like in a lot of ways like the
podcast or the year and her show is not really
a pocket.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
It's a show.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's a show.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
It's an interview show.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And so I think like with the Netflix deal, they'll
pull in like the big names, because the big names
don't need discoverability anymore, right, they already have this audience
and the audience to go there.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And so this is my point. So this is my point.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
About let me land this part, man, and then I
want to hear your response. So, but I think for
the industry creates an opportunity for as those people exit
YouTube to like now YouTube, there's just space there. There's
a sandlot that's open and you can kind of set
up shop there because I mean, Google has a discoverability
and virality that happens there in that ecosystem in a
(16:13):
way that Netflix can't. And if it's going to happen
at Netflix, it'll be because somebody is ripping it and
posting it on Instagram or YouTube anyway where it's like natively,
it'll happen on YouTube. And that's why a lot of
those projects, and I'll call them projects to kind of
like be the seat through that they got picked up
through Netflix is really their success in the way it
(16:34):
was engineered through Google's algorithms. And so I think the
opportunity is for people, you know, you could say goodbye
to the shows that are leaving YouTube and now it's
all this kind of like landscape for somebody to get
busy in the spaces, especially in those categories that are
shows that are leaving, you can just.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Jump right in there and hopefully do your thing.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Do you think that, like the midsize shows, these.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Shows being on Netflix, well bring audio listeners to the podcast,
because that's the thing. I'm Both of my shows still
get more views heavily audio.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Right, And so when you have which I find fascinating,
I love talking about that with you.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, it's and.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I'm gonna call them the haters because they're the people
that create these YouTube channels to talk about podcasts.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But essentially the number one thing that has said about
me and my shows is they go to the YouTube
to look at the numbers there to kind of think
that that's the big pie of my shows, and it's
not like.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
The whole there's a whole different business. Yeah, when we
had who's the brother we had on? He was from Baltimore.
I think his name was Jay something.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I forget.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
It was a good episode two.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I didn't write it for my best episodes, But he's
from Baltimore and he was a YouTuber and we had
him on a guest and he was talking.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I think he was.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It was like relationships when one are y'all talking, I'll
look about Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It was an age metaphor.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
No, ace metaphor is absolutely from Ohio dating Ohio.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
My fault doesn't start with a J. I completely off. Yes,
but but but you.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Know, another form of me would have been like the
same thing. But I'm not gonna do that because I
don't know problem.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You know, but he's more of a YouTuber than a podcaster, right,
and you're more of a podcaster than.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
YouTube because but they're different businesses.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But no, his show is not on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Okay, then we have the wrong person.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, his show is not on YouTube. He created a
full subscription app. So Tonight's Conversations is an app where
his shows exist.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Okay, it wasn't him, then hold on, let me find
out who it was.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, No, it definitely wasn't.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Was definitely Baltimore because I'm usually not that off.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I am many.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
People on the show from Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Uh, I don't know who you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
But anyway, my my Jill J. Hill, I knew that.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Okay, I'm journalism jays, I got facts. But but but
they're what he does and what you do are almost
like two different businesses, right, and like the whole thing
like in this Wi Talie in like the Netflix, the YouTube,
the Charlemagne and like even like us going through different
iterations of this show, right, like there is an audio
way to make money with sales partnerships, and so we
(19:20):
launched this independently. This was independently out of Mandy's pocket,
which listen a lot of people listening.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Even with black effects, everything is still out of pocket.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, and so but before it was like out of
pocket with no sales partnership. So it's like now you
have a Now you have a sales partnership and with
YouTube that doesn't really exist, like you have to just
scale and do their like programmatic partnerships that they already have.
Like there's no options, like you could have won with
black effects. Listen and be clear when you launched. As
soon as you launched this, by episode three, people were calling. Yeah,
(19:53):
different businesses were falling and you took you took meetings.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
There was different people.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
You could have picked any number of them to do
a sales partnership with YouTube that doesn't really exist. You're
adding holding to the Google Programmatic ad project, And so
that's why you have to get numbers. And so when
people look at your YouTube and be like, oh, or
her YouTube's not popular, listen, now you have a sales
partnership on your audio because you're you're in the audio business.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I'm in you successfully have done this a number of times.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So I wanted to add to that just a bit
because before we started recording, our clips have been doing
extremely well on socials. Right, so our clip with Glasses
Malone shout out to my cousin. He's also a part
of the Black Effect Network, someone who I wish lived closer.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I would love to have glass on once a quarter
if I can. But that clip did.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Over a million views, and so before we started recording,
Jason was like, hey, we have a clip with a
million views. What did that do for the podcast? And
I said, I mean, there's a lot of variables right now,
but can't say it moved the needle much. And so
there's also so when we talk about video podcasts, when
we talk about the audio portion of podcasts, you also
have essentially what the.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Marketing is, which are the clips right, And a.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Lot of the people will say they watched the show,
when in fact, all they do is watch the clips
they get put in, right, And so there's so many
creatives that wonder why they don't have a network deal,
a sales partnership or anything. And the number one thing
a lot of podcasters like to do is bring their
(21:29):
clips from their social channels and be like, but look,
this has two hundred and fifty k, this has one
hundred k, this has a million, this has two million.
That does nothing in the grand scheme of how you
can monetize or drop ads or a show based on
your social clips.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
So if there's no conversion, if.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
There's no conversion and there's a lot, go ahead, aching.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah, well, I think people, I think what we have
to get to a place where what's the end game
with the clips?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Is it to just bring awareness to the product. That
should be the only goal if you're able to monetize. However,
that looks by way of you know, other entities seeing
that traction, seeing that motion, so to speak. Then for
all intense purposes, it works. But there's a rhythm and
rhyme and reason too doing those clips. It's not just
you know, we are intentional about the clips. We know
(22:21):
the guests we know the conversation. Obviously, that clip was
talking about you know, glasses assessment on Drake in twenty
twenty five, right, so that's always going to draw the ron. Now,
did I know it's going to do a million? No,
but I knew its possibility to do something, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But the only one who was bold enough to say
the highest to lowest fucking sucked at. And that clip
is almost at four hundred thousand with a good clip.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
What what I see is we foster the community that
way through conversation, right because every day you wake up,
you see the ticker is crazy. It's like it's like NonStop.
And that's not even us engageing, that's the people engaging.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
With each other. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
So so I think that that's a perfect example of
how it should be done.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know, this is just the discord, but on on Instagram, on.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
The folks, Yeah, and a lot of ways.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It just gives you an opportunity, right, Like when you
say awareness, it's like because like the best case scenario,
you want conversion, they see the clip, they go to
the link in bio, but they leave the platform and
they go subscribe, but that's a lot of friction to
get off of.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
The platform to another.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
But if you follow the Instagram right, and then our
next clip, we go from a million to then getting
a four hundred thousand, and now our floor is raised.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
You know, we're then hoping that to.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Get small amounts of conversion along the way. But I
think that's a challenge of like media and content business.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It is a clip that freaking gets a million views,
I'd be happy for that to convert to ten new
listeners Like that is the numbers and the reality of
what a clip can really bring you. I think as
a podcast audio platform to be fair too, say I
even get ten, do they only listen to that episode
(24:09):
or do they subscribe and become a weekly listener? Like
the retention of a podcast listener, it's really hard, even
harder to get them to subscribe to a platform like Patreon, right,
So I do at the end of the year, want
to thank all of my patrons who have been rocking
(24:29):
with me. If you want to listen to the content
ad free, that's what we've been given over there this year,
as well as once a month class assemblies where my
classmates get to join me in a recording. Next year,
I do plan to bring some more stuff to Patreon.
I'm really excited. The team is growing, the investment is expensing,
(24:52):
you know, it's getting bigger.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Goddamn it. I'm investing into this because I believe in
it and speaking up.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Kudos kudos to you on that.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Like even the we were saying earlier about like we're
on like iteration three. That's a very normal thing. That's
what happens, right, Like if people are like, oh man,
he's doing that. You're on forty episodes, right, Like Decisions
Decisions is in the hundreds, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We almost if we really add up Decisions Decisions, we
are at almost three hundred on Patreon, and we are
almost at five hundred regulars. So we're approaching almost a
thousand episodes of content that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I have done.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I'm sure many iterations, many iterations, but like now you're
doing this in a landscape where like there's just so
much competition. Again to reference like the whole Netflix deal.
The competition isn't even always podcasts, Yeah, and so it's
like all this stuff and so like to to be
able to do this, like it's a it's a gutsy
thing that you kind of have to like really have
the stomach for and it's hard.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Man. I always say kudos to you.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I have conversations with like a lot of different media
professionals and people that I speak with. Then like I'll
reference this show more than like corporate stuff that I
work on, because it's just it's this is like a
bird's eye view of like really trying to like build
it and get it out the mud. And so that's
why when we have the million view clip, we're like, yo,
like like that was that shit was like on our own,
you know what I mean, Like there was no like
(26:15):
dollars pushed towards that like one hundred percent organic uh engagement.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And you know it's like we've been building. There's not.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Like data and a dashboard do we look to make decisions.
It's guts, right, Like this is not the show I
want to do. I want it more like this. All right,
let's do it that way, Let's pivot this way then, you.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Know, not only that, I'm I'm excited with the growth
of this show on audio A King just sent me
the numbers over and we're inching our way towards one
hundred thousand dollars a month, which like I think you
you send me why it was like seventy to ninety
or like we're closed.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Like I just want it's the organic process of this
thing growing. And I just want to add, if you
look at all the great ones, there's never they The
Combat Jack.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Show went through three or four iterations, even JBP.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
I'm talking about I'm talking about before it was j
I'm talking about before they had the name. I don't
name this later, look right said we're talking about because
we're always trying to mold and trying to find the
right thing the right people, because we're not doing this alone.
So that's another part of it, having the right synergy
with the right people to execute this thing, you know,
of greatness that we're trying to put out into the universe.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So it hass off to you, man, it is.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Night and day.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I released this horrible Decisions in twenty seventeen. We didn't
even have video until a year and a half later
when we joined Loudspeaker's network. I launched See the Thing
Is on a network on the JBN. Left that after
a year and completely got into a sales partnership with
Gumball and did that for an additional two years.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
The landscape from.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Twenty seven it's sir cash register here.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
The twenty twenty five when we launched this.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Those years are like night and day from releasing pods.
So when I talk to people about even what it's
like to launch and scale a show, I'm now this
is my third iteration in a completely different market of
navigating this space with a brand new show. So I've
had a great time doing it, and I hope you
guys have enjoyed listening to the show. Hope you enjoyed
(28:28):
our geek out of the industry as well for the
intro of this leading into the new year. But let's
get into it. Let's get into our favorite episodes, our
favorite moments, and why I'm gonna leave mine for a
last because I'm really excited to hear my super producers
and their opinions on their favorite episode and why. So
(28:49):
this time we're gonna start with Jason. Jason, feel free
to start with any memorable or you know, moments that
you'd still think need attention to, but then let us
know your favorite.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Episode favorite all right, So I kind of have like
one from each I have a couple I have like
five or six here of my notes. So ones are
kind of from like each iteration. I feel like from
iteration one, I really liked women in.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Their biological clock.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yes, I thought, I thought you like hosting that was
really well and I thought you did a good job
of balancing like you know, giving it to your guests
and kind of like serving them up, but also you know,
sharing your history.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And it was difficult.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
There were three women on their shout out to Killoby,
Lexpi and Kiki, and everyone had their kind of different
things so to fit that within. I think it was
like an hour and fifteen minutes. That too was one
of like my favorite.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
That was a good one.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And then I thought Elements of Privilege was really dope
with sitting Ready.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah, I was late for that episode.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I got punished, but I thought that one was I
thought that one was like like that. I thought that
one kind of like helped us pivot into like, uh,
version two still had like a lot of elements of
the first version, but then kind of had the second one.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Then when it kind of got like interviewee.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I like the alligator Alcatraz with your mom's okay, yes, yeah,
I thought, like I know your mom has been on
like other podcasts viewers, but like that was my first
time really kind of like being a part and seeing
her and you and your connection and and you know
you being able to treat her like a mom but
also interviewer at the same time. Yeah, So I thought
that was good. And then for the versions that we
(30:36):
have now, I don't know either, Like I like the
holiday ones and Thanksgiving Christmas, but also the Jay Jorden one.
I thought we had our like form of what we
are for three point zero so good that like Jay
was able to like just jump right into it, you
know what I mean, Like it was it was so
easy and clear for him to see what the show
(30:57):
was that, you know, I thought he was like dynamite
when he when he got on with us. So, uh,
those are all ones that I like, favorite, I don't know,
even the Glasses one I thought.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Was good favorite. I'm gonna go with Jay Jorden.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Jay Jorden, I'm glad that you picked that one that
was deaf and I.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Was talking about cruising, okay and Lady cruising. When we're
talking about Lady cruising, I thought it was Hady.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Cruising is crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That absolutely was one of my favorite episodes of the
year as well, So if you weren't able to check
out our episode with Jay Jorden, the episode title and
number is episode thirty seven, Public Outrage, Digital Racism, Maggers
and Cruising, And here's a clip from that episode.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
I did a show at the Seller the night Charlie
Kirk died, and the host said weird day for everybody, right,
and some people laughed and some people a man and
so like. Then I was that good information. And then
a couple of days from later from that, I made
a joke not about Charlie Kirk passing away, but about
the fact that they were so quick to try to
blame trans people.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
They're like, oh, the shooter is trans the bullets dating.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
They went, no, actually he took public transportation. We gonna
find a way to blame the trans folks.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
That's the joke I made.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
But in my opinion, I think if you can threat
the needle and really find a way to both make
people who are sensitive about this subject and people who
really want to laugh, that's a perfect joke. I have
a joke about Charlie Kirk now in my current hour
that's different than the one on Hulu because I think
it's enough time. And I don't even say anything bad.
I basically disclosed it. I'm you know, since we tell
(32:40):
them truth on here. Oh so I am a one
thirty second white. And when I found out I.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Was a white man, Buck is a one thirty second
white and one.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Thirty second white. My great great granddad he was a rapist.
And so I won thirty second, Yeah, one thirty second
the faction. Yeah, yeah, I'm one third second white. So
I say, I say this respectful. That's why respect I
say this, just exactly pardon I say this. When I
(33:09):
found out I was a white man, I said, oh
my god, it's been so hard for us since Charlie died.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
That.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
You know, white people laugh at that joke. Some white
people they go, he got us. Some white people clap.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Some white people go, we got it, Hey, he is white.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
You missed the point.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I knew I liked you.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I knew I was seeing something I like.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And you know what, and this is why the blacks
are surprised that you perform.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
A white man when I'm when I'm in front black people,
I go, listen, I'm a brother. I'm a Brooks brother,
but I'm a brother.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Playing with you all right, now A kn't. First off,
Jason decided to just list her whole goddamn discovered.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I know, and now I had to restructure minds things.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Just said, actually, I'm going to give you guys, like.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
The whole run.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I was listening last night, I do homework, research, photography.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, your favorite moment of the year, and of course
any honorable mentions.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah. I think it was episode twenty Purple Party, Can
you be a pro Black Republican?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
A lot of fires.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That one was.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
That's we definitely touched the boundaries of emotions of people
who you know when you see these things pop up
on your feed and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna listen
to the episode, and then you just get all of this.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You're like, oh, you know Ray.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Daniels and and Carla, I mean, wow, powerful, powerful, but
these conversations are necessarily get you.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I think we should definitely do.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Return after the midterms, after the midterms, after the mid
time is coming up politics.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We are gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Play a clip of that get off my Girl in
the Apple in the Apple reviews, Okay, get off my
girls back. It's crazy because, uh, Carla is someone who's
so passionate has such different thoughts, views, and opinions than myself,
but I really enjoy potting with her.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And so here is a clip.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I'm gonna go ahead and do a trigger warning because
this one got loud and iiicy. H. Here is a
clip from A King's Favorite pick of the Year. This
is from episode twenty featuring Carlo Will Merris and Ray
Daniels Purple Party.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Can you be pro Black Republican? Check it out?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So me and Carla were having a conversation, and not
to get you too ramped up, we're starting with identity
rights right now. Because me and Carla had the conversation
and she was like, yeah, like LGBTQ, they could just
live the life however they want to live. They should
be able to do whatever they want to do, like
their people too. And immediately my question to her was, okay,
(36:14):
so what are your thoughts on trans bathroom rights and
US sharing bathrooms with them?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And her response did you come up with one yet?
Because her response immediately was I didn't even finish.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
She told me to shut up.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
She got it up. She said, well, well and then
you cut me off. First off, we waited for ten seconds.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
You didn't no, no, no, and I was like, save it. No,
I said, you cut me off at home and you're like, wait,
save it to.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
The Mike savor because it took her about ten minutes
and she was still thinking.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I went thinking, and I wanted to explain myself. So
explain the hesitance? Then? In you leaning that way?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Because if we're talking policies here, that's what we've seen
heavily from the Republican Party is the attack on trans
rights essentially, and people being upset that there's now shared
gender bathrooms and things like that. So where do you
lean with the thoughts on children being able to identify
as trans?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The bathroom share?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh yeah, we're going because that's where you have semi
Republican stances on it.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
So what are your views there that you stand on.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Okay, let's start with the bathroom for the children. The
bathrooms I don't. I want the bathrooms to stay women
in males, right, A women's bathroom, a man's bathroom. I
do believe that a trans woman should go into a
women's bathroom. I do believe that a trans man should
go into a man's bathroom. Here's where the problem lies
for me. I do truly believe that in the media,
(37:38):
what we're portraying is these performative people claiming to be
trans that are doing it for attention that might not
really understand what it's like to be a trans I
know trans people. I have them in my life, and
they're just regular folks, just like me and you.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I have no problem being around the one with the.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Pool, having us in the same bathroom, no problem. My
problem is when I see what the agenda of the
media sometimes when regarding trans people. Okay, it's like these
performative wild ship that's just like, oh my god, they're
walking around looking like a three hundred pound man and
they just put a little bit of makeup on I think,
I think, But that's what they're trying to make us
(38:13):
thing that has happened. They try to tell us that
these trans people are all pedophiles. You know how many
men look regular and are pedophiles. You know what I
mean is this I don't know if it's an agenda
or it is an agenda.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Don't if I don't think it. But at the end
of the day, trans people, of course, you do.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Mores trans people that are being shown to us on
television and on social media that are trying to get
us outraged. It's not what are really people that are
really living out here, are true trans life that they feel.
Whether I agree with it, whether we're talking about the
Bible where I don't give a damn, it doesn't affect me.
If you're truly living in your truth. And now that
people are like I'm trans baby and want to wear diapers,
or I'm a trans dog and I'm a transcar and.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
You going down.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
We're being shown and that's what's outraging us about these
fucking bathrooms. Let the fucking bitch that's a woman walk.
She just wants to peek, she just wants to take
a ship. We're not doing anything more than that. It's like,
if that's the case, yes, but it's the extra Now
there's some people taking.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Advantage of that in order to be like, oh, we
don't want calm down.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
They're not doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You're weird, They're not okay.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I totally disagree with that last part.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I can't wait till the part where we could just
start saying them niggas is crazy, which niggas is crazy.
Like my point, listen, here's my things on trans If
you want to be a trans anything.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
My problem is when you make the world participate in
your bullshit, that's your story.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
All right, all right on Rain, all right, Ray Daniels,
I love him real bad. So I have some honorable
mentions to get into, and you know, a lot of
it's because I really love comedy. Of course, Jay Jorden
(39:59):
was one of my favorite episodes, but it wouldn't be
right without me leaning into as well, Can Fat People
Fat Shame?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
With Marrow Liz vel podcast. I also can't go without
also mentioning.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Now they're not comedians, but I absolutely love Can We
Enjoy Sports Without Racism? With Kaz and Kevin And someone
who also doesn't identify as a comedian, however, has the
best dry humor in podcasting. I know you guys tried
to cancel him. He is uncanceonable, that's right. I'm talking
about the Ginger Rory who did Can you separate art
(40:43):
from the artists? Now, these were all early on renditions
of the podcast that took place at the top of
the year, and you know, y'all are probably gonna be like, well,
you're choosing this episode because it went viral. But now
I'm choosing this episode because I judged a book by
(41:05):
its cover. This was a guest that a king booked
for the show and a guest who did not do
very well at all on my other podcast, Decisions Decisions.
My pick for the year, and maybe this is just
from a personal lens is absolutely episode thirty four Crimes
(41:27):
Versus Morality, Turkey Leg Hideout and hood Swords featuring Glasses Malone. Now,
there were so many good moments from this episode, and
you know, if you guys want to hear the Drake sentiment,
(41:48):
please feel free to head on over and subscribe to
our Instagram page at Selective Ignorance Pod. He is the
first pinned tweet. However, I really liked our last conversation
that didn't even make a clip, and it was our
discussion around the ignorance of touring hoods.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Check it out here.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Now, I want to sum this up into the question
being our tours through the hood in poverished stricken communities
selectively ignorant. Do you think that that is something that
should be shamed or looked down upon or do you
think it's enriching? And I asked this because when I
(42:30):
traveled abroad, I lived in Singapore for a couple of years.
And so what I realized on a lot of the
tours they took you through the hoods. The last time
I chose to do that, it's something I'm no longer
interested in because I think it's fucking crazy and I
think actually America is just the hood like it would
be like bringing people to.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Everye Martin Luther King Boulevard in every city.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
The last time I did it, where I actually felt
wrong was in Soweto. So I went to Johannesburg and
I went on it's literally a tour of the township
of Soweto and it's literally night and day from the city.
Johannesburg was beautiful, the buildings, the infrastructure, everything, and we're
(43:14):
literally going into this like village where it was like
it was really sad. And then what probably ruined it
for me too is actually going to the Apartheid Museum
and seeing the history as to why this area was
like this.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And so that was the last time I went.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
But I did want to ask you as someone you know,
who would want to be the mayor of Compton and
you know, of course that's an under you know, not developed,
but underprivileged community.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
What are your thoughts on tours and people touring hoods and.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Is there a good thing to it or do you
absolutely feel like that's ignorant you shouldn't do it.
Speaker 9 (43:54):
I think it's a great thing.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I think you think touring hoods are great things. Okay,
talk to me.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Well.
Speaker 9 (43:59):
I think we have all all the characters that represent
an idea.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
I think that's another business that hip hop should be into.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I think they explain.
Speaker 9 (44:07):
I think the Trap Museum represents that.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Explain.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
It's like you get the culture in a digestible way.
So I like whoever that photographer is, because it's like
if he takes a picture of every landmark, all those
pictures already exist. Like everybody hides kind of us.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Okay, the people that grow up poor, they hide the.
Speaker 10 (44:30):
Flavor like they don't want to be judged by it.
But I think it's something special about people seeing, like,
you know, the the culture that makes the town lively.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I think taking photos and showing that is different to
me than touring it, if that makes sense, Like for me,
I mean, and if Antonette was here, she would just
talk about capitalism, right, But the idea that the hood
is is like something to be amused by or entertained with,
(45:05):
which when you think of booking a tour, you're looking.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
For excitement, You're looking for, you know, different type of things.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I don't know if people being in that type of environment,
or being poor, or being in a home where they're
trying to figure out how to feed their family, deserves
to have onlookers look at it as entertainment.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Either I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
Either I'm not. I don't disagree, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Mean, especially if they come from a privileged place to
go and view people who are less fortunate as a
means of entertainment for a day. To me is like
and again, I was one of those I wanted to
see all the things, and a part of me was
just like, this is so terrible. Like imagine I'm thinking
of myself growing up. I grew up on Section eight.
I grew up in not great neighborhoods. I grew up
in neighborhoods that if you grew up in a better
(45:51):
neighborhood you knew neighborhood wasn't good. The idea that people
would drive through to see how we lived like didn't
sit well with me. Well, so unless you're doing it
from a space of wanting to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Alrighty, we made it.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
To the end of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
We definitely hope that you enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
We hope that you also, like if you're a new
listener that decided not to go back into the back
catalog again, just to let you know, we.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Ever green a lot of these topics.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
So even for some of the topics where you think, oh,
I already heard everything that there is to hear about
this specific topic, No, we break it down into kind
of the outrage that we witnessed on the internet. That's
a huge part of what this show I think was
for me, though I want to lean into current events more.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
My thing is more of the.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Psychological effect on you niglets when I sit and get online,
whether it be X or whether it be the shade
room comments or whether you know, it's it's just what
I see everyone talking about in the group chats. It's like, WHOA,
why did this specific topic get people in such an
up woar?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
What is making them want to dissect it? What is
making them so passionately and emotionally charged by this sentiment?
And so That's what I look.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Forward to getting more into in twenty twenty six. I
think this year was heavy because the Orange Cheeto got
into office. So I felt like twenty twenty four and
twenty twenty five was heavily heavily politically leaning, and so
in twenty twenty four it was also heavily leaning into
hip hop because of the Drake and Kendrick. I think Trump, Drake,
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and Kendrick took over all of our conversations in twenty
twenty four and twenty twenty five. So I'm curious to
see what the twenty twenty six landscape brings us, because
I don't think it'll be heavy for either of those
three people.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
So I'm curious to see. Hold on, you don't think
hold on ky?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
I think. I think. I think we're going to be
in for a treat by who. I think we're definitely
gonna see a lot of Kendrick this year. I know,
I know, but not no, no, how we're getting there.
I think we're gonna see finally see Drake.
Speaker 6 (48:16):
I mean, he got to collab with with Marvel Iceman stuff,
So I think I think we I think that conversation
is going to live for a while look, if we
go back to the case study here, Nah's and jay Z,
we're still talking about that.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
It's fizzle but even and they're cool now.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I mean we're still talking poking Biggie.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Listen, we're talking and everybody fifty I say, everybody versus
fifty fifty Listen. I think I think fifty cent is
gonna stay in the in the news and in all opportunities.
He's creating this River report, and I know I'm pronouncing
that wrong, Louiana with the movie stuff and.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Just him being who he is, you know, Yeah, I
do want y'all to know that here on selective ignorance.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
In the most problematic ignorant fashions. This is a fifty
stand podcast. This is a Drake stand podcast, This is
a Jake Hole stand podcast, And.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
This is a Kendrick stand not stand. But we fuck
with everybody, Okay, no, we do not that is we
fuck with everybody. Oh many, don't fuck with everybody.
Speaker 5 (49:28):
Saying we're just we're just what are your own banks?
We just got it, We're in it.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I know, we we gonta let her.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
You see, likely there's some there's always going to be
pushback from my producers on my stands. But yeah, there's
there's some people that I'm sure others would like to cancel.
We're not canceling over here.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
I got from a fifty. I got a fifty cover
story somewhere here.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
See look at it.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
See I got fine. I gotta find that.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Think about it.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
I gotta treat my ship better. I got better than
hang on cover.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Anyways, before we get out of here, is there anything
you want to leave the classmates.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
With for the year. Anything.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Y'all aren't coming into the New year New year? Knew
me right Well, whoever you are now, that's where you're going.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
That's who you is.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
You got here, you can change. That's just the top layer.
It's always a jay Z bar.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Listen, man, I think this is a good ride for
people who are paying attention. If if it's for the
evolution of Mandy, it's a good ride. If it's for
the business of podcasting, it's a good ride. Like you know,
I think it's a good project and people should tap in.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Same sure, same, same, same. Well, guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Hopefully you have your Uber credits ready for the new year.
Please do not get into a car in the driver's
sept if you've been drinking. I just always like to
reiterate that I am super super super super against drinking
and driving, so you will always hear me advocate for
safe driving, get you a designated driver, or get you
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your ass on Uber lift per. There's a whole bunch
of options for you. Do not get behind that will
and make sure you embrace your family this holiday season
we saw with the pandemic. You know you never know
when this will be the last time you see somebody,
so make sure you cherish every moment.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Make sure you subscribe you like you leave five stars.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Selective ignorance is here to stay, baby, and I'm excited
to grow in front of the camera and on this
microphone with each and every one of you. I do
want to end this off, Jason. I don't know if
you have our ending somewhere. I gotta remember it. But
it's selective ignorance. Hold on where controversy thrives. Oh man,
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let me get to it and conversations matter.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Let's get it matter and.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Hold it up. God Dad, I know.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
We're going through iterations too.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
We have an ending now.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Some of the best MC they forget the lyrics.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
Curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter you ex really God.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
This has been the last episode of twenty twenty five
of Selective Ignorance.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Be you next, ye.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Nie.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
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and kind of audios to the end of twenty twenty five.
This is the last episode of Selective Ignorance for the year,
and of course, like most of your favorite pods, we.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Are doing a recap of our full year because.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You know what we don't do over here, seasons ten episodes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You're getting it weekly, babe, and we've been giving it
to you twice a week.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh baby, honey, guys, it is your girl, Mandy B.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And I'm super super, super super excited to be doing
this with my super producers show. We got journalism, Jason.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Ibb me straight out of Jersey.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
There's a lot of jays there, a lot of j
a lot of jays, there, a lot of jay's there. First,
we have podcasts og legend sir a King, that's.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right, that's right, that.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yo, you'd be slaying some slick ship doing the intro
and I feel like I'm part of g unit. Wh
I just kind of ride and be on board and
your beef is mine?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That is crazy? Or I don't think what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Wait wait the fifty cent ever flight ya yo?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Or or Lloyd, I'm saying we had we set to
ride with it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You have to. You have no choice. You have no choice.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Absolutely, my beef is your beef.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
But you know what, that's why, that's why leading into it,
you gotta kind of mellow her out before and didn't
get crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So then once we get there, it's like, all right, cool,
we got we level headed. Now you don't have to
just jump out you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
It's funny because I was gonna say, luckily this year,
I didn't have much beef, But that would be a lie.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It wasn't beef. It was the science made impossible beef.
It was like it was all fake beef. I didn't
have beef actually with anybody this year if you ask me, h,
I clearly had opinions which were shared heavily on this
podcast over the year about a whole lot of things,
(03:02):
and I'm really excited to be going into another year
of bringing new things, new waves.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
One of the things.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That Jason brought up in the group chat was the
fact that this pod in its first kind of full year.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, let me see what episode are we on.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This is episode forty two, so technically we're still not
at a complete full year.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's fifty two episodes, right A King that make like that?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
That's that's I mean, yes, we're going by the calendar year.
It's fifty two week ago.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, this is episode technically.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Forty four, and so I mean, if you really want
to be technical, you add the bonus episodes to be
put out bonus content.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We've been doing a year's work for content in a
shorter amount of time. Hello you podcasters out there.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We have done that. We have done that.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But Jason mentioned that this pod has went through technically
three renditions of a show, and I don't want to
talk a little bit to that for anyone who's listening
who's a podcast consumer or just a podcast nerd and
likes to dissect how new shows are doing things or
what the podcast landscape.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Looks like for the creators.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I kind of wanted to get into this before we
all share our thoughts on the Netflix. iHeart Charlemagne deal
that just got announced. But Jason, in your mind, what
are the three renditions that this show over forty four
episodes has kind of shape shifted to be.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, So I think I think version one was kind
of a high concept, right, Like you had your you know,
like sort of like a targeted word and everything was
built around that where those like privileged patriarchy, fat shaming,
biological clock right, yes, and then sort of the ignorance
applied to it was the question mark at the end
(04:55):
about it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well you're right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Even our episode titles yeah to be questions, Yeah, and
that's changed since then.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, but but I think but but I think that
got you like leaning into like the original thing that
you wanted to do, where it's like these these topics
that you wanted to tackle that were.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Different than decisions decisions, right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yes, And then I think I think we got into
version two, which was a bit more like, uh, interview based,
And I think I think with version one it was
very much like what's your take on this topic, like
against like my mind many once you set this like table,
(05:36):
like really hard, like and this is where I stand
and I'm not budget And so I think version two
became a bit more like interview based, where it was
kind of like I'm asking you questions and less like
your like takes and kind of just who you are
what you feel about a certain topic. I think like
the most pronounced one of that was like when.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
We did.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Uh, who were we talking about when we had Rocky
on and we were talking about like corporate, Yeah, yeah,
corporate and their experiences, right, and so we were like
booking specific people to work.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
To, yes, your back specific topics yep.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah. And then and I think the third version I
think you felt and I think with the second version, Ah,
we were getting less.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
To you, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And the second version I realized too, like we were
going away from what I.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
But also you were being like a very polished hole.
You were serving your guests and asking them questions and
kind of like you know, teeing them up and you know.
But I remember we had a talk and you were like, yo,
I like these podcasts, and you rattled off a few
of them, and you were like, Yo, I want it
where it's more like I'm talking to y'all. We could
have a guest or not, but if we do, they're
(06:49):
folding into what we're doing already instead of like you
interviewing them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I think when I had the conversation where I
was like, yo, making sure we get guests every week
and ask and people to pull up, I said, God,
damn it, I don't really like that. So I said,
I had a talk with Jason and a King, and
I was like, y'all are both so strong and opinionated
when we do pre production, when we're in our group chat,
when we just talk as friends. I said, I need
(07:13):
more from y'all. I said, come in.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I said, don't don't be afraid to get on the mic.
And share your opinion.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I said, I want y'all to debate me, question my thoughts,
but I would like.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And then for the first for the first couple of episodes,
I remember you were like, Yo, y'all are doing it, said.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Y'all aren't doing what I asked.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And then I think we got kind of a bit
more comfortable. I think we hit our big stride in
New York together and I realized I can't wait to
get rich and have the budget to fly Jason down
to the Atlanta a couple.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Times a month.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
But yeah, then we got to that, and I feel
confident with where we're at now. I also love leaning
into our segment the double down, our take it back.
We know we may or may not do that, but
we know that I'm going to start the episode off
with one of us talking about something ignorant we did
for the week or thought we had that becomes like
(08:10):
kind of an icebreaker and way to catch up with
each other, and then we have ironically, if you're not
in Atlanta. Our segments are the segments that I created
for my radio show show here So This is America,
which allows me to lean into what the fuck is
happening in our country politically, and then celebrities say the
darnest things. Allows us to dive into pop culture. By
(08:33):
the way, A King, I was about to say delve,
but I know how much you hate that word.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I had that one complexities y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Y'all don't even know de No dev is apparently what
AI likes to put into everyone's description. So guys, if
you go into a podcast or read their description of
the episode, the word delve isn't there.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Del.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's not the M dash because I'm a writer and
I use M dashes and they try to say that's AI.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
That ain't it's del.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Then delve is the word that AI will throw up
in there.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But yeah, like so, I'm really excited on the rendition
that we have now, I like, my, my, my, my,
super producers leaning into this thing. And to be fair, Jason,
we might kind of be leaning into a three point
five version by having John now weekly if if you
(09:28):
aren't on Patreon, if you haven't been listening to the
Bonus episodes, It's been announced that Jah will now be
a co host on the show once.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
A week, at least for.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
At least the first quarter of He's going to run
six I know that I've been talking to you guys
on the discord and they like them.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They like y'all. I mean not that I'm surprised, you
know what I mean, y'all, lie, y'all ie.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They like him, and they like y'all a lot better
than some of the other guests we've had this year.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And we can talk about that too in a little bit,
But before we do, we live, eat, breathe this industry.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And so even though I got to talk about it
on the class assembly with quite a few of you,
I wanted to end the year off with our predictions
on the direction of the podcast industry, as well as
our thoughts, views and such on this Netflix iHeart podcast,
(10:29):
this Netflix volume deal, this Charlemagne two hundred million dollar
contract renewal, And so how do y'all want to start it? Because,
first off, if you could insert here a king the applause,
Charlemagne has this podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
On his Black Effect network over at the iHeart Podcast group.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And so I'm I'm gonna tell you now, Charlemagne better
be knocking on my door this.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You have to bring this show to motherfucking Netflix.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Need a book, Charlotte, need a book.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Listen to this show decisions decisions. I don't mind.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm excited to get our set next year and really
hone in on what this platform is. But I would
love for you to, since you were on the class assembly,
to share your thoughts about what this means for the industry.
A King, any kind of insider tea you have. And Jason,
just also as someone who's been in also who has
(11:28):
grown with the industry, You've been one that hasn't been shy.
You're like, I'm not just saying a journalist that writes
for print, I'm gonna learn how to do every element
of this media scale and be involved with how it's changing.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So A, can you go first?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And than Jason, Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
I think it just we should be looking in twenty
twenty seven right now, right, I think these conversations didn't
just happen yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know, this is just the.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Finalization of it, right. I think these conversations I remember
I was having I don't give too much inside and stuff,
but I remember I was in a meeting and they
were talking about this Netflix stuff for about over a
year that Netflix had the intentions to get into pod space,
and it wasn't more recently. It wasn't until more recently
revealed that their intention of dropping fifty two or whatever
(12:20):
the number was to start off twenty twenty, to start
off twenty twenty six. And so then the flurry of
announcements came. Iheard, you know, and then everybody else, and
then you know, it was like, wow, this is the possibilities, right,
and I believe the early I don't know what the
particulars are for necessarily the Breakfast Club deal, but I
(12:42):
know they had wanted to do one one off, like
one season, licensed to the video of the podcast for
one year, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Kind of opened up the portal.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Right, what I'm curious to see is how Netflix continued
to go and back for bad with YouTube, you know
what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
See if they to do original content, which I'm assuming
they will because they.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Do original movies, right, But I think that we shouldn't
be looking at twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
What's next? It is Peacock or somebody else gonna gonna
be Yeah, or Hulu. I know Prime Amazon has this thing, but.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, I think would make sense, especially considering the
amount of reality television.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That they have over there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
There's a large portion of unscripted, which essentially is what
podcasting is, right and and what I'm hearing too more
is that people don't want to call podcast podcasts anymore
their shows, and it's because they're full level at this
point productions, we are paying into video audio.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
There's teams that have.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We're pushing out clips, you know, And I want to
have that conversation too, right after I hear Jason's thoughts
on this, but yeah, how do you see this shifting
the landscape of podcasting moving forward?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I don't know, like I don't know if it's
like that much of a like a seismic shift for podcasting.
I think, you know, so like in like the media
business as it's conversing with the technology business. You know,
we're kind of like seen this in the past where
it's like YouTube in the past created like these like
multi channel networks, and that's how you had like the
(14:26):
one with Rockefeller and Rock Nation, what's it called Life
and Times with jay Z right when that was like
funded that was essentially funded by YouTube. And and then
you know Facebook did the same thing with like Facebook Watch,
and that's how you got like red Table Talk. So
it's like, you know, they shell out money for themselves,
and it's really kind of like the industry of themselves
rather than like the industry that they're partnering with. And
(14:50):
I think with Netflix, you know, Netflix is ce Co
Ceo tests Rhinos. He's very sharp, and he says like,
we're competing with anything that draws attention, so rather than
you know, YouTube's the biggest one, but he's also competing
with TikTok.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
He's also competing with general cable. You know, books aren't.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
The same, but like you know, anything that kind of
like draws your attention, and you know, podcasts are cheaper
to do a deal with than like getting scripted shows, right,
And so I think what's happening is when you have
like the conversation about like video podcasting, and you see
like the trade magazines and the Hollywood Reporter doing the
cover story about like, uh, you know, video podcasts. A
(15:29):
lot of that is like celebrity based, Like any polar
is probably like in a lot of ways like the
podcast or the year and her show is not really
a pocket.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
It's a show.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's a show.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
It's an interview show.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
And so I think like with the Netflix deal, they'll
pull in like the big names, because the big names
don't need discoverability anymore, right, they already have this audience
and the audience to go there.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And so this is my point. So this is my point.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
About let me land this part, man, and then I
want to hear your response. So, but I think for
the industry creates an opportunity for as those people exit
YouTube to like now YouTube, there's just space there. There's
a sandlot that's open and you can kind of set
up shop there because I mean, Google has a discoverability
and virality that happens there in that ecosystem in a
(16:13):
way that Netflix can't. And if it's going to happen
at Netflix, it'll be because somebody is ripping it and
posting it on Instagram or YouTube anyway where it's like natively,
it'll happen on YouTube. And that's why a lot of
those projects, and I'll call them projects to kind of
like be the seat through that they got picked up
through Netflix is really their success in the way it
(16:34):
was engineered through Google's algorithms. And so I think the
opportunity is for people, you know, you could say goodbye
to the shows that are leaving YouTube and now it's
all this kind of like landscape for somebody to get
busy in the spaces, especially in those categories that are
shows that are leaving, you can just.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Jump right in there and hopefully do your thing.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Do you think that, like the midsize shows, these.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Shows being on Netflix, well bring audio listeners to the podcast,
because that's the thing. I'm Both of my shows still
get more views heavily audio.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Right, And so when you have which I find fascinating,
I love talking about that with you.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, it's and.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I'm gonna call them the haters because they're the people
that create these YouTube channels to talk about podcasts.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But essentially the number one thing that has said about
me and my shows is they go to the YouTube
to look at the numbers there to kind of think
that that's the big pie of my shows, and it's
not like.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
The whole there's a whole different business. Yeah, when we
had who's the brother we had on? He was from Baltimore.
I think his name was Jay something.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I forget.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
It was a good episode two.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I didn't write it for my best episodes, But he's
from Baltimore and he was a YouTuber and we had
him on a guest and he was talking.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I think he was.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It was like relationships when one are y'all talking, I'll
look about Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It was an age metaphor.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
No, ace metaphor is absolutely from Ohio dating Ohio.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
My fault doesn't start with a J. I completely off. Yes,
but but but you.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Know, another form of me would have been like the
same thing. But I'm not gonna do that because I
don't know problem.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You know, but he's more of a YouTuber than a podcaster, right,
and you're more of a podcaster than.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
YouTube because but they're different businesses.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But no, his show is not on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Okay, then we have the wrong person.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, his show is not on YouTube. He created a
full subscription app. So Tonight's Conversations is an app where
his shows exist.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Okay, it wasn't him, then hold on, let me find
out who it was.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, No, it definitely wasn't.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Was definitely Baltimore because I'm usually not that off.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I am many.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
People on the show from Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Uh, I don't know who you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
But anyway, my my Jill J. Hill, I knew that.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Okay, I'm journalism jays, I got facts. But but but
they're what he does and what you do are almost
like two different businesses, right, and like the whole thing
like in this Wi Talie in like the Netflix, the YouTube,
the Charlemagne and like even like us going through different
iterations of this show, right, like there is an audio
way to make money with sales partnerships, and so we
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launched this independently. This was independently out of Mandy's pocket,
which listen a lot of people listening.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Even with black effects, everything is still out of pocket.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, and so but before it was like out of
pocket with no sales partnership. So it's like now you
have a Now you have a sales partnership and with
YouTube that doesn't really exist, like you have to just
scale and do their like programmatic partnerships that they already have.
Like there's no options, like you could have won with
black effects. Listen and be clear when you launched. As
soon as you launched this, by episode three, people were calling. Yeah,
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different businesses were falling and you took you took meetings.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
There was different people.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
You could have picked any number of them to do
a sales partnership with YouTube that doesn't really exist. You're
adding holding to the Google Programmatic ad project, And so
that's why you have to get numbers. And so when
people look at your YouTube and be like, oh, or
her YouTube's not popular, listen, now you have a sales
partnership on your audio because you're you're in the audio business.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I'm in you successfully have done this a number of times.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So I wanted to add to that just a bit
because before we started recording, our clips have been doing
extremely well on socials. Right, so our clip with Glasses
Malone shout out to my cousin. He's also a part
of the Black Effect Network, someone who I wish lived closer.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I would love to have glass on once a quarter
if I can. But that clip did.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Over a million views, and so before we started recording,
Jason was like, hey, we have a clip with a
million views. What did that do for the podcast? And
I said, I mean, there's a lot of variables right now,
but can't say it moved the needle much. And so
there's also so when we talk about video podcasts, when
we talk about the audio portion of podcasts, you also
have essentially what the.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Marketing is, which are the clips right, And a.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Lot of the people will say they watched the show,
when in fact, all they do is watch the clips
they get put in, right, And so there's so many
creatives that wonder why they don't have a network deal,
a sales partnership or anything. And the number one thing
a lot of podcasters like to do is bring their
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clips from their social channels and be like, but look,
this has two hundred and fifty k, this has one
hundred k, this has a million, this has two million.
That does nothing in the grand scheme of how you
can monetize or drop ads or a show based on
your social clips.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
So if there's no conversion, if.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
There's no conversion and there's a lot, go ahead, aching.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah, well, I think people, I think what we have
to get to a place where what's the end game
with the clips?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Is it to just bring awareness to the product. That
should be the only goal if you're able to monetize. However,
that looks by way of you know, other entities seeing
that traction, seeing that motion, so to speak. Then for
all intense purposes, it works. But there's a rhythm and
rhyme and reason too doing those clips. It's not just
you know, we are intentional about the clips. We know
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the guests we know the conversation. Obviously, that clip was
talking about you know, glasses assessment on Drake in twenty
twenty five, right, so that's always going to draw the ron. Now,
did I know it's going to do a million? No,
but I knew its possibility to do something, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But the only one who was bold enough to say
the highest to lowest fucking sucked at. And that clip
is almost at four hundred thousand with a good clip.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
What what I see is we foster the community that
way through conversation, right because every day you wake up,
you see the ticker is crazy. It's like it's like NonStop.
And that's not even us engageing, that's the people engaging.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
With each other. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
So so I think that that's a perfect example of
how it should be done.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know, this is just the discord, but on on Instagram, on.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
The folks, Yeah, and a lot of ways.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It just gives you an opportunity, right, Like when you
say awareness, it's like because like the best case scenario,
you want conversion, they see the clip, they go to
the link in bio, but they leave the platform and
they go subscribe, but that's a lot of friction to
get off of.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
The platform to another.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
But if you follow the Instagram right, and then our
next clip, we go from a million to then getting
a four hundred thousand, and now our floor is raised.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
You know, we're then hoping that to.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Get small amounts of conversion along the way. But I
think that's a challenge of like media and content business.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It is a clip that freaking gets a million views,
I'd be happy for that to convert to ten new
listeners Like that is the numbers and the reality of
what a clip can really bring you. I think as
a podcast audio platform to be fair too, say I
even get ten, do they only listen to that episode
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or do they subscribe and become a weekly listener? Like
the retention of a podcast listener, it's really hard, even
harder to get them to subscribe to a platform like Patreon, right,
So I do at the end of the year, want
to thank all of my patrons who have been rocking
(24:29):
with me. If you want to listen to the content
ad free, that's what we've been given over there this year,
as well as once a month class assemblies where my
classmates get to join me in a recording. Next year,
I do plan to bring some more stuff to Patreon.
I'm really excited. The team is growing, the investment is expensing,
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you know, it's getting bigger.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Goddamn it. I'm investing into this because I believe in
it and speaking up.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Kudos kudos to you on that.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Like even the we were saying earlier about like we're
on like iteration three. That's a very normal thing. That's
what happens, right, Like if people are like, oh man,
he's doing that. You're on forty episodes, right, Like Decisions
Decisions is in the hundreds, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We almost if we really add up Decisions Decisions, we
are at almost three hundred on Patreon, and we are
almost at five hundred regulars. So we're approaching almost a
thousand episodes of content that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I have done.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I'm sure many iterations, many iterations, but like now you're
doing this in a landscape where like there's just so
much competition. Again to reference like the whole Netflix deal.
The competition isn't even always podcasts, Yeah, and so it's
like all this stuff and so like to to be
able to do this, like it's a it's a gutsy
thing that you kind of have to like really have
the stomach for and it's hard.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Man. I always say kudos to you.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I have conversations with like a lot of different media
professionals and people that I speak with. Then like I'll
reference this show more than like corporate stuff that I
work on, because it's just it's this is like a
bird's eye view of like really trying to like build
it and get it out the mud. And so that's
why when we have the million view clip, we're like, yo,
like like that was that shit was like on our own,
you know what I mean, Like there was no like
(26:15):
dollars pushed towards that like one hundred percent organic uh engagement.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And you know it's like we've been building. There's not.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Like data and a dashboard do we look to make decisions.
It's guts, right, Like this is not the show I
want to do. I want it more like this. All right,
let's do it that way, Let's pivot this way then, you.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Know, not only that, I'm I'm excited with the growth
of this show on audio A King just sent me
the numbers over and we're inching our way towards one
hundred thousand dollars a month, which like I think you
you send me why it was like seventy to ninety
or like we're closed.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Like I just want it's the organic process of this
thing growing. And I just want to add, if you
look at all the great ones, there's never they The
Combat Jack.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Show went through three or four iterations, even JBP.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
I'm talking about I'm talking about before it was j
I'm talking about before they had the name. I don't
name this later, look right said we're talking about because
we're always trying to mold and trying to find the
right thing the right people, because we're not doing this alone.
So that's another part of it, having the right synergy
with the right people to execute this thing, you know,
of greatness that we're trying to put out into the universe.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So it hass off to you, man, it is.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Night and day.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I released this horrible Decisions in twenty seventeen. We didn't
even have video until a year and a half later
when we joined Loudspeaker's network. I launched See the Thing
Is on a network on the JBN. Left that after
a year and completely got into a sales partnership with
Gumball and did that for an additional two years.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
The landscape from.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Twenty seven it's sir cash register here.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
The twenty twenty five when we launched this.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Those years are like night and day from releasing pods.
So when I talk to people about even what it's
like to launch and scale a show, I'm now this
is my third iteration in a completely different market of
navigating this space with a brand new show. So I've
had a great time doing it, and I hope you
guys have enjoyed listening to the show. Hope you enjoyed
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our geek out of the industry as well for the
intro of this leading into the new year. But let's
get into it. Let's get into our favorite episodes, our
favorite moments, and why I'm gonna leave mine for a
last because I'm really excited to hear my super producers
and their opinions on their favorite episode and why. So
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this time we're gonna start with Jason. Jason, feel free
to start with any memorable or you know, moments that
you'd still think need attention to, but then let us
know your favorite.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Episode favorite all right, So I kind of have like
one from each I have a couple I have like
five or six here of my notes. So ones are
kind of from like each iteration. I feel like from
iteration one, I really liked women in.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Their biological clock.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yes, I thought, I thought you like hosting that was
really well and I thought you did a good job
of balancing like you know, giving it to your guests
and kind of like serving them up, but also you know,
sharing your history.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And it was difficult.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
There were three women on their shout out to Killoby,
Lexpi and Kiki, and everyone had their kind of different
things so to fit that within. I think it was
like an hour and fifteen minutes. That too was one
of like my favorite.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
That was a good one.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And then I thought Elements of Privilege was really dope
with sitting Ready.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah, I was late for that episode.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I got punished, but I thought that one was I
thought that one was like like that. I thought that
one kind of like helped us pivot into like, uh,
version two still had like a lot of elements of
the first version, but then kind of had the second one.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Then when it kind of got like interviewee.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I like the alligator Alcatraz with your mom's okay, yes, yeah,
I thought, like I know your mom has been on
like other podcasts viewers, but like that was my first
time really kind of like being a part and seeing
her and you and your connection and and you know
you being able to treat her like a mom but
also interviewer at the same time. Yeah, So I thought
that was good. And then for the versions that we
(30:36):
have now, I don't know either, Like I like the
holiday ones and Thanksgiving Christmas, but also the Jay Jorden one.
I thought we had our like form of what we
are for three point zero so good that like Jay
was able to like just jump right into it, you
know what I mean, Like it was it was so
easy and clear for him to see what the show
(30:57):
was that, you know, I thought he was like dynamite
when he when he got on with us. So, uh,
those are all ones that I like, favorite, I don't know,
even the Glasses one I thought.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Was good favorite. I'm gonna go with Jay Jorden.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Jay Jorden, I'm glad that you picked that one that
was deaf and I.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Was talking about cruising, okay and Lady cruising. When we're
talking about Lady cruising, I thought it was Hady.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Cruising is crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That absolutely was one of my favorite episodes of the
year as well, So if you weren't able to check
out our episode with Jay Jorden, the episode title and
number is episode thirty seven, Public Outrage, Digital Racism, Maggers
and Cruising, And here's a clip from that episode.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
I did a show at the Seller the night Charlie
Kirk died, and the host said weird day for everybody, right,
and some people laughed and some people a man and
so like. Then I was that good information. And then
a couple of days from later from that, I made
a joke not about Charlie Kirk passing away, but about
the fact that they were so quick to try to
blame trans people.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
They're like, oh, the shooter is trans the bullets dating.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
They went, no, actually he took public transportation. We gonna
find a way to blame the trans folks.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
That's the joke I made.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
But in my opinion, I think if you can threat
the needle and really find a way to both make
people who are sensitive about this subject and people who
really want to laugh, that's a perfect joke. I have
a joke about Charlie Kirk now in my current hour
that's different than the one on Hulu because I think
it's enough time. And I don't even say anything bad.
I basically disclosed it. I'm you know, since we tell
(32:40):
them truth on here. Oh so I am a one
thirty second white. And when I found out I.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Was a white man, Buck is a one thirty second
white and one.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Thirty second white. My great great granddad he was a rapist.
And so I won thirty second, Yeah, one thirty second
the faction. Yeah, yeah, I'm one third second white. So
I say, I say this respectful. That's why respect I
say this, just exactly pardon I say this. When I
(33:09):
found out I was a white man, I said, oh
my god, it's been so hard for us since Charlie died.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
That.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
You know, white people laugh at that joke. Some white
people they go, he got us. Some white people clap.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Some white people go, we got it, Hey, he is white.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
You missed the point.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I knew I liked you.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I knew I was seeing something I like.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And you know what, and this is why the blacks
are surprised that you perform.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
A white man when I'm when I'm in front black people,
I go, listen, I'm a brother. I'm a Brooks brother,
but I'm a brother.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Playing with you all right, now A kn't. First off,
Jason decided to just list her whole goddamn discovered.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I know, and now I had to restructure minds things.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Just said, actually, I'm going to give you guys, like.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
The whole run.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I was listening last night, I do homework, research, photography.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, your favorite moment of the year, and of course
any honorable mentions.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah. I think it was episode twenty Purple Party, Can
you be a pro Black Republican?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
A lot of fires.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That one was.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
That's we definitely touched the boundaries of emotions of people
who you know when you see these things pop up
on your feed and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna listen
to the episode, and then you just get all of this.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You're like, oh, you know Ray.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Daniels and and Carla, I mean, wow, powerful, powerful, but
these conversations are necessarily get you.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I think we should definitely do.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Return after the midterms, after the midterms, after the mid
time is coming up politics.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We are gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Play a clip of that get off my Girl in
the Apple in the Apple reviews, Okay, get off my
girls back. It's crazy because, uh, Carla is someone who's
so passionate has such different thoughts, views, and opinions than myself,
but I really enjoy potting with her.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And so here is a clip.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I'm gonna go ahead and do a trigger warning because
this one got loud and iiicy. H. Here is a
clip from A King's Favorite pick of the Year. This
is from episode twenty featuring Carlo Will Merris and Ray
Daniels Purple Party.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Can you be pro Black Republican? Check it out?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So me and Carla were having a conversation, and not
to get you too ramped up, we're starting with identity
rights right now. Because me and Carla had the conversation
and she was like, yeah, like LGBTQ, they could just
live the life however they want to live. They should
be able to do whatever they want to do, like
their people too. And immediately my question to her was, okay,
(36:14):
so what are your thoughts on trans bathroom rights and
US sharing bathrooms with them?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And her response did you come up with one yet?
Because her response immediately was I didn't even finish.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
She told me to shut up.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
She got it up. She said, well, well and then
you cut me off. First off, we waited for ten seconds.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
You didn't no, no, no, and I was like, save it. No,
I said, you cut me off at home and you're like, wait,
save it to.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
The Mike savor because it took her about ten minutes
and she was still thinking.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I went thinking, and I wanted to explain myself. So
explain the hesitance? Then? In you leaning that way?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Because if we're talking policies here, that's what we've seen
heavily from the Republican Party is the attack on trans
rights essentially, and people being upset that there's now shared
gender bathrooms and things like that. So where do you
lean with the thoughts on children being able to identify
as trans?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The bathroom share?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Oh yeah, we're going because that's where you have semi
Republican stances on it.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
So what are your views there that you stand on.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Okay, let's start with the bathroom for the children. The
bathrooms I don't. I want the bathrooms to stay women
in males, right, A women's bathroom, a man's bathroom. I
do believe that a trans woman should go into a
women's bathroom. I do believe that a trans man should
go into a man's bathroom. Here's where the problem lies
for me. I do truly believe that in the media,
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what we're portraying is these performative people claiming to be
trans that are doing it for attention that might not
really understand what it's like to be a trans I
know trans people. I have them in my life, and
they're just regular folks, just like me and you.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I have no problem being around the one with the.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Pool, having us in the same bathroom, no problem. My
problem is when I see what the agenda of the
media sometimes when regarding trans people. Okay, it's like these
performative wild ship that's just like, oh my god, they're
walking around looking like a three hundred pound man and
they just put a little bit of makeup on I think,
I think, But that's what they're trying to make us
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thing that has happened. They try to tell us that
these trans people are all pedophiles. You know how many
men look regular and are pedophiles. You know what I
mean is this I don't know if it's an agenda
or it is an agenda.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Don't if I don't think it. But at the end
of the day, trans people, of course, you do.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Mores trans people that are being shown to us on
television and on social media that are trying to get
us outraged. It's not what are really people that are
really living out here, are true trans life that they feel.
Whether I agree with it, whether we're talking about the
Bible where I don't give a damn, it doesn't affect me.
If you're truly living in your truth. And now that
people are like I'm trans baby and want to wear diapers,
or I'm a trans dog and I'm a transcar and.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
You going down.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
We're being shown and that's what's outraging us about these
fucking bathrooms. Let the fucking bitch that's a woman walk.
She just wants to peek, she just wants to take
a ship. We're not doing anything more than that. It's like,
if that's the case, yes, but it's the extra Now
there's some people taking.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Advantage of that in order to be like, oh, we
don't want calm down.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
They're not doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You're weird, They're not okay.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I totally disagree with that last part.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I can't wait till the part where we could just
start saying them niggas is crazy, which niggas is crazy.
Like my point, listen, here's my things on trans If
you want to be a trans anything.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
My problem is when you make the world participate in
your bullshit, that's your story.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
All right, all right on Rain, all right, Ray Daniels,
I love him real bad. So I have some honorable
mentions to get into, and you know, a lot of
it's because I really love comedy. Of course, Jay Jorden
(39:59):
was one of my favorite episodes, but it wouldn't be
right without me leaning into as well, Can Fat People
Fat Shame?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
With Marrow Liz vel podcast. I also can't go without
also mentioning.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Now they're not comedians, but I absolutely love Can We
Enjoy Sports Without Racism? With Kaz and Kevin And someone
who also doesn't identify as a comedian, however, has the
best dry humor in podcasting. I know you guys tried
to cancel him. He is uncanceonable, that's right. I'm talking
about the Ginger Rory who did Can you separate art
(40:43):
from the artists? Now, these were all early on renditions
of the podcast that took place at the top of
the year, and you know, y'all are probably gonna be like, well,
you're choosing this episode because it went viral. But now
I'm choosing this episode because I judged a book by
(41:05):
its cover. This was a guest that a king booked
for the show and a guest who did not do
very well at all on my other podcast, Decisions Decisions.
My pick for the year, and maybe this is just
from a personal lens is absolutely episode thirty four Crimes
(41:27):
Versus Morality, Turkey Leg Hideout and hood Swords featuring Glasses Malone. Now,
there were so many good moments from this episode, and
you know, if you guys want to hear the Drake sentiment,
(41:48):
please feel free to head on over and subscribe to
our Instagram page at Selective Ignorance Pod. He is the
first pinned tweet. However, I really liked our last conversation
that didn't even make a clip, and it was our
discussion around the ignorance of touring hoods.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Check it out here.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Now, I want to sum this up into the question
being our tours through the hood in poverished stricken communities
selectively ignorant. Do you think that that is something that
should be shamed or looked down upon or do you
think it's enriching? And I asked this because when I
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traveled abroad, I lived in Singapore for a couple of years.
And so what I realized on a lot of the
tours they took you through the hoods. The last time
I chose to do that, it's something I'm no longer
interested in because I think it's fucking crazy and I
think actually America is just the hood like it would
be like bringing people to.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Everye Martin Luther King Boulevard in every city.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
The last time I did it, where I actually felt
wrong was in Soweto. So I went to Johannesburg and
I went on it's literally a tour of the township
of Soweto and it's literally night and day from the city.
Johannesburg was beautiful, the buildings, the infrastructure, everything, and we're
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literally going into this like village where it was like
it was really sad. And then what probably ruined it
for me too is actually going to the Apartheid Museum
and seeing the history as to why this area was
like this.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And so that was the last time I went.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
But I did want to ask you as someone you know,
who would want to be the mayor of Compton and
you know, of course that's an under you know, not developed,
but underprivileged community.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
What are your thoughts on tours and people touring hoods and.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Is there a good thing to it or do you
absolutely feel like that's ignorant you shouldn't do it.
Speaker 9 (43:54):
I think it's a great thing.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I think you think touring hoods are great things. Okay,
talk to me.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Well.
Speaker 9 (43:59):
I think we have all all the characters that represent
an idea.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
I think that's another business that hip hop should be into.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I think they explain.
Speaker 9 (44:07):
I think the Trap Museum represents that.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Explain.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
It's like you get the culture in a digestible way.
So I like whoever that photographer is, because it's like
if he takes a picture of every landmark, all those
pictures already exist. Like everybody hides kind of us.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Okay, the people that grow up poor, they hide the.
Speaker 10 (44:30):
Flavor like they don't want to be judged by it.
But I think it's something special about people seeing, like,
you know, the the culture that makes the town lively.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I think taking photos and showing that is different to
me than touring it, if that makes sense, Like for me,
I mean, and if Antonette was here, she would just
talk about capitalism, right, But the idea that the hood
is is like something to be amused by or entertained with,
(45:05):
which when you think of booking a tour, you're looking.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
For excitement, You're looking for, you know, different type of things.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I don't know if people being in that type of environment,
or being poor, or being in a home where they're
trying to figure out how to feed their family, deserves
to have onlookers look at it as entertainment.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Either I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
Either I'm not. I don't disagree, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Mean, especially if they come from a privileged place to
go and view people who are less fortunate as a
means of entertainment for a day. To me is like
and again, I was one of those I wanted to
see all the things, and a part of me was
just like, this is so terrible. Like imagine I'm thinking
of myself growing up. I grew up on Section eight.
I grew up in not great neighborhoods. I grew up
in neighborhoods that if you grew up in a better
(45:51):
neighborhood you knew neighborhood wasn't good. The idea that people
would drive through to see how we lived like didn't
sit well with me. Well, so unless you're doing it
from a space of wanting to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Alrighty, we made it.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
To the end of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
We definitely hope that you enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
We hope that you also, like if you're a new
listener that decided not to go back into the back
catalog again, just to let you know, we.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Ever green a lot of these topics.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
So even for some of the topics where you think, oh,
I already heard everything that there is to hear about
this specific topic, No, we break it down into kind
of the outrage that we witnessed on the internet. That's
a huge part of what this show I think was
for me, though I want to lean into current events more.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
My thing is more of the.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Psychological effect on you niglets when I sit and get online,
whether it be X or whether it be the shade
room comments or whether you know, it's it's just what
I see everyone talking about in the group chats. It's like, WHOA,
why did this specific topic get people in such an
up woar?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
What is making them want to dissect it? What is
making them so passionately and emotionally charged by this sentiment?
And so That's what I look.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Forward to getting more into in twenty twenty six. I
think this year was heavy because the Orange Cheeto got
into office. So I felt like twenty twenty four and
twenty twenty five was heavily heavily politically leaning, and so
in twenty twenty four it was also heavily leaning into
hip hop because of the Drake and Kendrick. I think Trump, Drake,
(47:39):
and Kendrick took over all of our conversations in twenty
twenty four and twenty twenty five. So I'm curious to
see what the twenty twenty six landscape brings us, because
I don't think it'll be heavy for either of those
three people.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
So I'm curious to see. Hold on, you don't think
hold on ky?
Speaker 3 (48:00):
I think. I think. I think we're going to be
in for a treat by who. I think we're definitely
gonna see a lot of Kendrick this year. I know,
I know, but not no, no, how we're getting there.
I think we're gonna see finally see Drake.
Speaker 6 (48:16):
I mean, he got to collab with with Marvel Iceman stuff,
So I think I think we I think that conversation
is going to live for a while look, if we
go back to the case study here, Nah's and jay Z,
we're still talking about that.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
It's fizzle but even and they're cool now.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I mean we're still talking poking Biggie.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Listen, we're talking and everybody fifty I say, everybody versus
fifty fifty Listen. I think I think fifty cent is
gonna stay in the in the news and in all opportunities.
He's creating this River report, and I know I'm pronouncing
that wrong, Louiana with the movie stuff and.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Just him being who he is, you know, Yeah, I
do want y'all to know that here on selective ignorance.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
In the most problematic ignorant fashions. This is a fifty
stand podcast. This is a Drake stand podcast, This is
a Jake Hole stand podcast, And.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
This is a Kendrick stand not stand. But we fuck
with everybody, Okay, no, we do not that is we
fuck with everybody. Oh many, don't fuck with everybody.
Speaker 5 (49:28):
Saying we're just we're just what are your own banks?
We just got it, We're in it.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I know, we we gonta let her.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
You see, likely there's some there's always going to be
pushback from my producers on my stands. But yeah, there's
there's some people that I'm sure others would like to cancel.
We're not canceling over here.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
I got from a fifty. I got a fifty cover
story somewhere here.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
See look at it.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
See I got fine. I gotta find that.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Think about it.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
I gotta treat my ship better. I got better than
hang on cover.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Anyways, before we get out of here, is there anything
you want to leave the classmates.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
With for the year. Anything.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Y'all aren't coming into the New year New year? Knew
me right Well, whoever you are now, that's where you're going.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
That's who you is.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
You got here, you can change. That's just the top layer.
It's always a jay Z bar.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Listen, man, I think this is a good ride for
people who are paying attention. If if it's for the
evolution of Mandy, it's a good ride. If it's for
the business of podcasting, it's a good ride. Like you know,
I think it's a good project and people should tap in.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Same sure, same, same, same. Well, guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Hopefully you have your Uber credits ready for the new year.
Please do not get into a car in the driver's
sept if you've been drinking. I just always like to
reiterate that I am super super super super against drinking
and driving, so you will always hear me advocate for
safe driving, get you a designated driver, or get you
(51:01):
your ass on Uber lift per. There's a whole bunch
of options for you. Do not get behind that will
and make sure you embrace your family this holiday season
we saw with the pandemic. You know you never know
when this will be the last time you see somebody,
so make sure you cherish every moment.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Make sure you subscribe you like you leave five stars.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Selective ignorance is here to stay, baby, and I'm excited
to grow in front of the camera and on this
microphone with each and every one of you. I do
want to end this off, Jason. I don't know if
you have our ending somewhere. I gotta remember it. But
it's selective ignorance. Hold on where controversy thrives. Oh man,
(51:46):
let me get to it and conversations matter.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Let's get it matter and.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Hold it up. God Dad, I know.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
We're going through iterations too.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
We have an ending now.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Some of the best MC they forget the lyrics.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
Curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter you ex really God.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
This has been the last episode of twenty twenty five
of Selective Ignorance.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Be you next, ye.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Nie.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
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Speaker 4 (52:34):
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