Ep. 5 | Can Fat People Fat Shame feat. Mero, Lizbell Ortiz & Rainey Ovalle

On this episode of Selective Ignorance, Mandii B and co. welcome special guests Mero (7PM In Brooklyn with Carmelo Anthony, Victory Light Podcast), Lizbell Ortiz, and Rainey Ovalle (Victory Light Podcast) for an open, honest, and thoughtful conversation about body image, fat shaming, and the pressures of society’s expectations around weight. The discussion kicks off with an exploration of fat shaming and body image (02:49), followed by a debate on whether there’s ever a “right” to fat shame (06:02). The guests break down celebrity weight loss and public perception (09:03), touching on Lizzo’s influence in the body positivity movement (12:01) and how society shapes body image standards (14:53). The conversation takes a deeper dive into the differences in weight and acceptance between men and women (18:08), as well as personal stories of weight loss journeys (20:58). They also address the hypocrisy in body image discussions (23:53) and how individuals navigate body image in the public eye (30:55). Shifting gears, they discuss fashion’s relationship with body types and self-expression (34:52) and the role of comedy in body shaming (39:05), questioning where the line is between humor and harm. The conversation continues with a discussion on accountability in comedy and offense (46:04) and the contradictions found in personal preferences and attraction (50:17). Closing out, they underscore the power of self-love and body acceptance (56:05) while acknowledging the challenges of staying true to oneself amid societal pressures. Join the conversation in the socials below. Be sure to subscribe, rate and share. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
But he on a song called Another Wild Nigga from
the Bronx, and I want you to pull up how
that should have spoke on the album?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Why would he do that?

Speaker 3 (00:06):
That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I was on, Bro, another Wild Nigga from the Bronx,
but it spoke and I g g E or.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I was like, no, why would he do that?

Speaker 4 (00:14):
What's crazy is that on the cover of his book,
Like it don't help. It's like, on the cover of
his book, but you look like you look yeah, you
look like a Venezuelan refugee.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Like that is hilarious because it's fully because he bawled
on purpose because he don't want people.

Speaker 6 (00:26):
To see his pin straight one sea hair.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
You know what I'm saying, Like, he don't you don't
want to look like he don't want to look like that.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
So I'm excited about this week's episode, y'all, because I
am talking to a lot of you nigglets that have
come for me over the years, I will say, dating
all the way back to two thousand and six when
I was on MySpace.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
We're getting into fat shaming and how I've been fat
shamed and how I have the right now to fat
shame because.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm a little fat according to you.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Guys, we are talking about the Ozipic craze today and
the pressures that y'all put on us.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
When I say us, I'm talking mostly about.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Women, because when it comes to men, y'all have really
leaned into I would say, bringing out the best in
your weight.

Speaker 6 (01:19):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
That's why you call it a get money gut and
make it seem like you now are rich and that's
why you're fat. However, for women, as we gain our weight,
we no longer are worthy of love or should just
take what we want, or are more promiscuous and lean
into the fact that men are always gonna treat us
awful because who wants us? That's right, that's what we're

(01:42):
leaning into today. Also, let's be very clear.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Then we get into when we finally lose weight, then
y'all are mad that we're skinny and want our fat back.
Make it makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
We're talking about all the things in terms of how
we as the US say, even though everything is supersized,
even though you're so much mad when they only give
you a small serving, you're like, what the fuck am
I paying for? We are literally getting into the fact
that in America we want more but then somehow don't
know how we are the most obese country in the world.

(02:13):
Make it makes sense because also y'all want a fat
shame as if your mothers don't look the way they do.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
But we're gonna get into it today.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
I am all for as long as you were fat,
you can fat shame. And I'm here today to be
joined by some funny people, some good friends, some really
good people in the podcast face y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I am here with the hosts of Victory Light. We
have Marrow, which y'all know. God, I'm the kid Marrow.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
He is all over.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
The place if you guys have it.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
He is also one hundredth one one hundredth of a
host of seven PM in Brooklyn right now, but also
one third of the Victory Life podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
And I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Y'all've probably seen them do some shit with baseball because
you know them niggas don't speak English. So he does
everything with the MLB. He does hockey, he does sports shit,
all the things.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
We got the kid Merrill.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
We also have Lizabell, who was a writer, comedian, poet,
and filmmaker also an avid reader, which I love because
I don't think people know that women.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Actually read books. Yeah, now they just be like, oh,
bit you read, Oh wow, didn't know that bitches read anymore.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
And then we have radio founder of the Gaming Org
hearse boys, and apparently I will say, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
He believes he's good in bed, but I won't talk
about my view on gamers during this, So you know, RADI,
I went viral.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
My take is that if you play a certain hour
of video games, it's because you are awful in bed
and probably don't have women. So I've gotten dragged by
the gaming community for my thoughts on that, because they
wanted to let me know. So many people make money,
but more people don't make money than do. This also
came when that video was viral of like the woman

(04:01):
in the hospital about to give birth.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
And her man was like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Playing video games, but also yeah, I refuse to date
guys who play video games.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
But shout out to you found her of the Gaming Org.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Understandable, baby outside you know why I didn't see the clip.
Actually I didn't see the clip of you talking about gamers,
probably because I was too busy giving bitches.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
But I mean, that's probably you know what I mean.
He's also your favorite rabbits.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Rabbit by the way, wait, you'll be repping.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
He could sing what do you think?

Speaker 5 (04:36):
And era, I don't give me something on fast shape, I'll.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Do it all.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
I'll do it all, baby. But you know you don't
date gamers that it's fine.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
And do it all. You can't say you do it
all to me. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
That's the big band, the big dig bandy crazy is
not the only content he's created.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You got an only fan?

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Wait for real?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So I could go online and look at you dick.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Yeah, y'ah.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Wow, this is not a decisions decision. I do want
to ask y'all. Y'all heard my thoughts.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
I talked about the supersizing of America and the thoughts
on that shaving. We'll get into skinny shaving too, because
I didn't put at the top.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't believe it's a thing, not gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
I've almost fell out with friends because they was like
skinny girls have with the problem to no bitch, you
could shop at five seven nine.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I wasn't even couldn't even go there. Y'all don't know
about my stuff and not, but I did want to
know y'alls thoughts on no, I mean shaving in our country.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I agree with most of the things you said, except
I don't think that as an ex fat bitch, I
don't think that you could just all of a sudden
turn on your alternal.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I moved.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm on this block. I'm rolling sixties now, I'm on
this like I'm piru.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Now that's what I'm saying as a fellow big bitch.
It feel crazy, they feel crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Hell yeah, if it comes.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
If there's anybody if cook fast, shame it should be
fat bitches. Honestly, because I do that all the time.
I'm a big bitch and I call my brother fat bitch,
and y'all tell me that's the funniest shit in the world.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
But then it's but then he says you a fat bitch,
and then it ends.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, No one's feelings are hurt.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I mean his chest is probably hurt. Swing a little,
A little hook to the chest won't fix Okay, So
you do believe though, when someone loses weight then they
can no longer be a part of like I still be.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I say, I'm a part of still the bbw's and
they be trying to kick me out, but I'm like, nah, bro,
like I still got hips and thighs like white women.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
So here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
White women fucked that up because at a certain point
white women were like, yo, we all want to look
like fucking Brookshields. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And
then at some point it became we all want to
look like fucking NICKI. I wanted I want you to
think I'm Persian when I walk in the fucking room. Yeah,
the way they started dying their hair brown and now

(07:17):
you go to you go uptown, you go dykem bro
every that's later who looks like I still feel.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like I'm a like, I'm still bb W in it
out here to to.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like to fucking Larry's like and like, I guess that's
my problem too, to Rainy, to Jose fucking outside, to
j Rodrigue.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
There what an experience. And this was back, this was
back during the clubhouse days.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Mind you, I'm only five ft one at my most,
I was two thirty at five to one. I lost
eighty pounds in y'all can say the cheating way. Yes,
I had the gastric sleeve. So bitch, I went from
eating to not eating no more. And when you don't eat, bitch,
you'll lose the weight. So I remember going into a
room on clubhouse. This is literally during the pandemic, and
I go in there because I'm supportive of what we

(08:05):
deal with in terms of shopping. Like I moved to
New York, a.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Bitch couldn't zip up boots. I went to six.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Flags with my co workers, Nigga, the ride didn't close.
I had to get off the ride. I had those
goddamn experiences. So I go into this clubhouse room and
when I tell you, all the big bitches was like, yeah, nah, bitch,
you can't come into this room.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
And I felt a way because the skinny bitches don't
claim me. I feel like I'm fighting the biracial.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
Yeah, yo, I am, but I am. My mom looked.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
So I'm like, I'm experiencing now the quote unquote hierarchy
though of even experiencing how I can relate to the
struggles I've had as a big girl and now someone
who to me the internet a bitch still got a
multiple niked chin happening situation.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
So I'm still like, I'm not skinny.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
I'm not slim. I still, you know, need to tailor
my ship or can't fit into certain ship.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So I'm just like, damn, I feel so lost, which
is why I feel like I have the right to
just shame them bitches, because they have tried to excommunicate.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
I mean you, you was looking you was looking snatched
at the Signal awards, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
The trophy bro first, well then you have that did
look like.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
And you know I'm gonna be I'm the guy that's
got to say it.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
You was doing the CARDI be you were showing to
make the mcmuffins was out.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Don't do that.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
It was you know why you ain't telling me because
you would have been like, oh, ship, I see it.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I didn't see it till we just had adequate lighting.
But it wasn't even fully it wasn't even fully out
like that.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
There's not one that's where the skins start to get darker.
It was right there. It was right.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Tell me I could have seen I didn't see ship,
you see how I do that?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
I would have, but I thought it was intentional. That's
why because I.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Walked out intentionally showing.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
Anybody is gonna do it. Come on, let's stop this
ship right now. Let's stop the ship right now.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Put a picture of what maybe had on and that.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
And then be like, oh, I wasn't trying to show,
you know, princess when she was getting.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
No, you don't have to look it up.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
It's not noe no, no, it's on. It's on, It's on
my it's on my Instagram. Y'all can go check that out.
By the way, congratulations victory. Like sign award winners out
of the.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Piece, selective agents will be there with you. So okay.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
So you say foreign fat girl, can't fat shame? You
say I'm fat, So only I can fat shame.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
And say that, and I say that that's what you said,
you said that moment. I can fat shame all right, as.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
A fact that y'all fast shame, but only out of comedy.
I will never look at a woman and be.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Like, yo, this bitch me too.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
I don't never say that, that's crazy. That's so hypocritical.
Do you think, No, I'm a big girl. I just
you know what it is. I don't focus on people's
physical as much as that. But I also think that
people who fat shame once they get skinny. It's gonna
sound mean, but I don't really think they truly love themselves. Yeah,
because me, it's like, bro, if you if y'all, if

(11:42):
let's say your life right, my life, I'm thirty one
years old. If thirty one year old Lizbel got to this,
got this far into life, and then thirty two year
old Lisbel lost all the weight that means, and then
thirty two year old Lisbell starts shitting on thirty one
years of life of Lisbell, It's like, damn said, so,
did you ever really like yourself? Like did you ever

(12:02):
really love you for who you are? You know, that's
kind of how I feel about It's like if I was,
which I do plan on losing weight. It's like I'm
gonna love big Lizbo even more because it's like, Yo,
you was a big bitch and you did and you
wrote a fucking book, you recorded short films like you
done all this shit as a bigger woman, and that's
what they told you was gonna be a biggest fail.

(12:23):
That's why you don't exist, That's why you don't belong
in front of the camera. That's why you don't get
to do all the cool shit that all the super
beautiful bitches get to do, right, and it's like, bro,
none of that shit stops you. So then I did
want to bring in and get right into the celebrity
aspects of it, all.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Right, because Lizzo as someone.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Who is like prided herself as well with her weight,
loving herself, all of those things.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
A lot of people think that it is a false sense.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Of confidence because now she's losing the weight, and then
of course in her lawsuit, it's also been insinuated or alleged.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
That she was fat shaming her dancers. Yeah, you have
thoughts on it.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I think that's fucking sae. I think as I mean,
just because of the culture that Lizo created. It's like,
you create this body positivity you we we love ourselves
as we are. And she never was what they quote
to say, like a body positivity person in the sense
of like, uh telling people to remain big, Like as
far as I've known that, no, even even as far

(13:23):
as I'm known, because I used to be a big
fan of Lizzo, what happened? No, not that I she
doesn't release music like that anymore, shet in a lot
of time, but with her, It's like that was her her.
She's always been healthy. If you followed her career like
she was dancing, She dances, she she she eats like
healthy foods, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
So it's not like she was out there fucking wild.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
There's some videos of her eating heavy foods, but like
you can find that shit everywhere. You know, I'm not
gonna lie. Let's be very clear. No one even wants
to see little eat. But yet we're watching fucking Sweetie
tear down hot and.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
But it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
It becomes like the skinny girls personality to like that.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
I mean, it's weird for me because when it comes
to that, I guess I have a different experience, right,
I'll be honest and saying I actually did not like
how I felt being bigger. And it was because when
I moved up here, niggets cold in New York.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I have to layer.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
At Least in Florida, I could be fucking naked, okay,
and just feel like I'm sweating off my fat, and
I wasn't, but I at least could be naked here.
I had to layer, So I felt bigger boots wasn't
going up my calves and so I actually do feel
like when I was big, I made it seem like
I was more confident than I really was. So I
do think there's a false sense of confidence that I

(14:44):
think Lizzo has pushed to the forefront because as a
big girl, we're kind of forced to be like, no,
we're happy even when we're not. But also, like, our
weight sometimes is incontrollable, either through genetics or thyroids or
whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
It's not even all just because of how we eat.
It's it's other ship.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, they it's also you know, when you live in
not to sound like a literal fucking tweet, but when
you live in a white supremacist patriarchy and all that
ship right, Like the society is like society's shortcomings in
this landscape. The America especially does a very good job
of making their shortcomings your problem. So like, the problem

(15:24):
is not that you are fat. The problem is that
they don't make clothes for you. You see what I'm saying.
So the issue is not how much you weigh. The
issue is that this world does not accept you and
doesn't exist for you. And I think and like, especially
like with the with the Lizo shit, it's like there's
only so long that you can tolerate being in the
public eye and being made fun of constantly. It's like, yo,

(15:44):
I don't blame Lizo for not release some music, you
know why, because like she could. She could be up
there dancing, doing full choreo, doing backflips and ship blowing up.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
She's playing a fucking woodwind instrument. But I don't think
people understand.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I don't think people understand you walk up a fun
of stares.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
That's what I'm say saying, and and it's like and
it's yeah, and it's like, you know, Lizzo, she probably
don't release music anymore because like people are gonna bypass
all that, right, But then like repost like the video
of her like in the golf cart, you know what
I mean when like the golf cart takes off and
it tips over and everybody's.

Speaker 9 (16:18):
So fucking footy, this bitch, so goddamn fat, this fat bitch,
fucking fat bitch, and and it's like, bro, like I'm
like imagine, like that's why all the comments towards Lizzo
pissed me off, because it's like, especially from other fat people,
it's like you are you are perceived this way by
society and you are not in.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
The public eye.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Imagine what the fuck it's like for Lizzo seeing all
these comments every goddamn fucking day.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Yeah, it's when the.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Card was in it and so they're trying to take off. Yeah,
and they accelerated and the ship tipped over.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
You see. You see mAb's reactions.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
You see that that's fucked up. That's fun.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Imagine if you're if your whole brand is body positive,
and then all anybody fucking talks about this golf cart
flipping backwards, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Then the Lakers game, Yeah, in the Lakers game.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
There's a video of her at the concert where she's
like singing and jumping up and down, and they like
added fucking noises and shit like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
What do you do when that's you know, when that's
what you're up against.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Of course you're gonna she'll probably never say this, but
when that's what you're up against, it's easy to hate yourself.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
I'll be honest, Like, I think being so front facing
on the internet for so long, especially as a woman,
it's the number one thing that people come to me
when they don't agree with my take it's that bitch
for the women too. I mean, I feel like I've
gotten more fat shame by women being like.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Nah, nobody wants to fuck you, bitch your fat. I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
It's it's it's interesting because it becomes a conversation for us.
But I do want to bring it over because in
the most endearing empathetic way, I have said, your weight
loss looks really good. Friends, Marrow, but mayrow, Like, if
you look back on the Google images of you, your
your everything was wider. Did you have a different experience.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Being a chester but as a dude?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
As a dude, I think that's you hit the nail
on the head with the you know, men versus women thing,
because like.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
No one cared about your way.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, bro, if I put on four chains, I could
wear four hundred pou Like they don't care, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Or like that's not true. Some women care, but a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Of what they want to sleep with you. I'm talking
about you.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
As an entertainment, as an individual with women, It's like
as a man, they'll do that if they want to
fuck you. So let's say, what was the thor guy,
the one who had to gain about your it was
Thor Chris hems were he is like the fucking eye
candy women even.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Me, beautiful man. That's the one that was with Miley
Cyrus right. I think.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
His brother was, Yeah, and I don't notice that White's
talking beautiful motherfuckers. They caught wars, but they just look gorgeous.
It's like in their lineage they have to be the
last handsome person standing, and they went and procreated and

(19:14):
they killed the rest. With him, he was fucking eye candy, right,
And then with Thor he had to gain a bunch
of weight or it was like a fake thing.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
But it's like women don't care unless they have.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Like they yearn for for you physically, but it's like
as a woman, you don't get the fucking exist general.
That's why people look at me and they're like, yo,
I'm so proud of you because I've done so much
despite it.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
But it's like most.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
People they you're not You're not what the are you
talking for? Like that's how I'm telling you. Even sometimes
I'll speak to men or I'll come into a room,
whether it's with my brother, with the guys, anything, and
it's like they just assume automatically that I'm just like
an extra person. Yeah, I'm just never gonna speak. I'm
not I don't have an opinion. I'm just kind of
there for background, like decorations, whatever the fuck decoration that.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Would be.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
Like, yo, what the fuck is going on here?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
And not until you.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Open your mouth that people be like they don't expect
money from.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
You, right because they expect you to be insecure and quiet,
and so you didn't, so you didn't with me.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
It was like I was very I was self conscious
about it. You was wearing spanks and ship. I swear
to guy, I know he had spanks on in the
Envy ship.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I literally said.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
I was like, I got my spanks on right now,
but I.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Will wash you. Like I feel very contained right now.
This ship is like a ted kevlog. I'll fuck you up.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
So like I was wearing spanks and doing all that
ship to try to stay because I was like my
fighting weight it's like two fifteen. You know, I'm six
foot two, two fifteen. It's like you know, you're not skinny,
you're not big, but you're like, you know, you filled out.
So when I got beat past that, like you know
what I mean, Like I started doing TV shit started
getting little bad, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I mean, yeah, they get money.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Got like for real though, because it was like I'm
doing the show, I'm in a studio.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
They're just like, yo, what do you want for lunch?
And I'm like.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Stay anything and they're like anything you want and I'm like, oh,
am I paying for this?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I was like, okay, I'll have forty chicken tenders from
fucking bon John Bro. I want can I get garlic
soy on twenty of them and get me the the
what's the ship called the yem and young or the
other one is yummy? And I was bringing I was
eating twenty of them ships and bringing ten home for
my kids type ship.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
So I was just going crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
But like you, you were eating twenty and only bringing
ten to your.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Wait, you know, my mind was straight there. I was like, oh,
this is like the women they go on the dates
with the men and order.

Speaker 10 (21:40):
Extra food and taking Listen to me, where's my this is?

Speaker 6 (21:52):
What's this is my single man? Y'all listen to me.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'm still a.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Broke baddy in my mind.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
It don't matter.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
And it's like yo, feet no don't matter. I'm still
broke up.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Here that used man in Tampa. Just because it looks
like the Bathmore bill don't mean it's expensive. You understand,
I'm very frugal with my ship. Now you were I waited.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
You were giving your children two and a half chick.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
That's what the fun I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
You loaded up, lie.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
You know what I'm saying, I'm loaded the line up
because you go no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
That's I'm formulating the line.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
It's either.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
That is crazy and more your decision than to lose weight,
like as a man, if you could still bitches get money,
why lose weight as a man?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Like what I mean?

Speaker 6 (22:48):
I did horrible?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I did. You know what I'm saying, I got a
big as dick.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (22:52):
That ship is news to me. You know what I'm saying,
four episodes. That's why you're not news to me. Wait
ya your what we do?

Speaker 6 (23:05):
We roll every day.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
We roll our foreskins over top of each other like this.
That's it's like a Chinese finger tracks.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
No what he's thinking right now?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's how they listen celebrity tapes. Listen to that.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
You know what I'm saying. It's about kids that are
on the spectrum. But they can telepathically communicate, figure out
if you if you if you leave for Skins, you
can telepathy.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Like that's why, that's why circumcision crazy because for Skins
are our natural antenn i as men.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's how we saw the show. We join the Foreskins
and then listen, you know you see what when they
cut like the when they open the business. Now she
comes through like wow, you know I mean that now
she circumcised them.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yeah, every episode just.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So, did you have a better response when you lost weight?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
So I lost weight?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Not because well I was self conscious about it. I
ain't gonna lie, but it was really more so like
I got four kids, so I'm active.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
I had my ankle was fucked up. I got hit
by a car when I was twenty, so it fucked
my whole by the.

Speaker 12 (24:18):
Way, on this podcasting crazy, So that fucked me up,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And it made me less active. Before that, I used
to walk everywhere. I was like I was skinny because
I was broken. You know what I'm saying, Like, Okay,
I have money for the chicken spot, you know what
I'm saying. And that was it, like one square meal
of the day but being like overweight, like did fuck
with me?

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Because it was like I looked at myself in the mirror.
I was like, damn, we look different, bro, than you
did six months ago or whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know what I'm saying, Like you're tired, Bro, I
was tired all the time. I finally said fuck it,
like and went to the doctor and was just like, yo,
I gotta do something about this. No, he was like,
because what happened was I went to uh do NFL
draft announcement and they put me shot the victor.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
They put me a victor in the same room by accident.
They fucked up the book and whatever, so they put
us in the same room. And it was just like, bro,
we just here for the day, Like it don't matter.
Like by the time they switched the ship out, we
in fucking vacus.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
By the time they do switching and everything, like we're
about to get on the plane anyway. So he was like,
fucking so we stayed in the same room. He's like, yo, damn,
He's like, Yo, last night I could not sleep and
I was like, Whyo, what happened?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Bro? You said you can good at home? Like YO, girl,
what's up.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
He's just like, yo, fam, Like you snore like crazy,
and then you just stopped breathing like for like a minute.
And then I was just like and he was like
I got up to the point where I was like
and then he got up and when he went to
be like yo, I was.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Just like.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Then I told my doctor that ship and that's how
pim C passed away. Like yeah, so they were like,
I went to my doctor. My doctor is just like, yo, fam,
your A one C levels is crazy. Diabetes runs in
your family. The sleep Apnian ship will kill your ass literally,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
And all you gotta He's.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Like, yo, you two eighty five right now, if you
get down to like two thirty two forty, you're good.
You know what I'm saying, Like, let's see what happens,
because it's like, yo, yeah, you're sa havy.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
That the weight is what's caused the thing. So it
was just like all right, cool.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
So like they put me on Manjaro for like I
was on it for like six months and I didn't
really feel on my side effects something like that, but
like the weight just kind of started dropping off.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
That's the good ship.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
And I was just like, yo, whoa okay, Like I
started putting it onto my closet that I ain't put
on and man, long you know what I mean, like
from high school and ship like.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I didn't not why you still got ship from high
school because some of that shit be flee man.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Because because the powder blue Foo Buo track suit.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
They don't make that shit no long. All right, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I get that. I get that.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So then let me ask you then
y'all's thoughts. We are hearing that I spices now an
unseasoned she's lost the spice, she's now unseasoned.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Seewait. So see way you lead it like you believe
in that.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I mean, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Why why though we talked about girls being thick and
how that could be an insecurity for us, but then
we lose weight, and then they're shaming about the losing
of weight, which.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I'll be honest I experience.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Niggas literally was like, yo, let me fuck before you
lose that weight, knowing I had the surgery right trash.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Mind you as a big girl.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Niggas like people thinking that no one wants to fuck us.
Men were like, yo, but I like you this size,
and I just don't think that as a community period,
men do not openly express their love.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
For big girls.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
N't talked about enough at all, like a.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Shame to admit that they like big girls. Like I'll
be honest, there was a guy I won't say who
he is because he's you know, but I remember like,
was he no, he will he likes to fuck like
big girls, but literally said his visionable wife or who
could walk the carpet with him had to be and
look a certain way. Yeah, And I was just like like,

(28:16):
oh yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Stopped fucking like hearing the hearing that logic was just
like wow, and I always discussing you. Oh.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
I was like no, no, no, my pussy turned into
a prune and just started.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Drying and it'll never be one enough for you again.
But I'm like, damn, like I wish there was this love.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
So what's crazy is I feel like Ice Spice did
get a lot of love for being thick, having the cell,
you light, having all the things, and then when she
lost the weight, even though she appears to be air quotes.
If you're watching this on video, healthy now, No one
likes it.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Well, I think I think she dug her own grave
a little bit. But so I have been very vocal
of my supportive Ice Spice up until that, up until
the shit with Clear Trappa, No, up until the shit
with Cleo Trappa, And I think that that I think
that I think it's all bad timing with Ice Spice
because I think that coming out and then immediately after
her dropping a song that sounds exactly like the last

(29:12):
five or ten or whatever, and then immediately after that
the pictures of her super skinning coming out. So I
think it was just a sequence of bad things that
was just like all bad timing. But I will say
I the average person on the Internet, like the average
media consumer or whatever, is just going to jump to
whatever the first thing they think about. Is so because
ozembic is the topic of conversation right now in the

(29:34):
cultural ro zeitgeist or whatever, everybody just immediately jumps to ozempic.
These are average people with nine to five jobs, who
have never had who never had any idea what it's
like to tour, what it's like to sleepless nights standing
staying up in the studio, catching flights to different time zones,
where you'd think you're going to sleep on the flight,
but you fucking don't because you're a nervous wreck. Because hello,
we're thirty thousand feet in the sky, right, so you

(29:56):
know what I'm saying. So it's all of these things
that like the average person who doesn't do any of
that has no concept of like bro like she has.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
I'm so, maybe she's on ozempic.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Maybe not.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
But I thought we learned that lesson with Chadwick Boseman,
and that part I thought we learned that lesson. I
thought that we were gonna just stop talking about people's
fucking bodies and.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Wait and wait and changes of appearances.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Right, And I think the assumption that the immediate assumption
that she's on ozempic is first of all, it's none
of our business. And second, I think that people need
to broaden their fucking horizons a little bit, like the
like Shorty has been hot for like over a year now,
like that constant touring and playing shows and doing whatever.
Like it's like it's like you, it's like you said,

(30:40):
the ship just starts.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
The hypocrisy of what the discourse is. Everyone felt bad
when chad Wait left us, and because for months they
were questioning his weight. Yeah, and I know that was
a recent thing too, even with was it Martin with
how he was looking out, Like it's it's just a
thing that we feel so entitled almost to share our
opinion on someone else's outer appearance, not knowing what they're

(31:06):
dealing with, not knowing if it's the Olympic or not
not knowing if it's a health condition or not.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Everyone feeling bad about the chat.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Wick thing, and then yes, speaking on Lizzo, speaking on
fucking all the girls losing weight, and I'm just like, oh,
there we go.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
What is the selective ignorance of it all?

Speaker 6 (31:22):
Yeah, No, it sucks because like I mean, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Like, oh, we only hear when they die. Let's talk,
let's talk shit.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
And it's like like but like how Mara was saying,
like as a as a man, brom, I'm playing this
shit on fucking easy, you know what I'm saying, because
like I like not to toot my horn or whatever,
but like I've kind of just always been that guy.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
My I mean really like my weight has never affected
fucking anything, but you have an average weight? No, this
is it.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
This is so I'm at this is me I'm too
sixteen right now, I'm five eight.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
But I also I just I kind of.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
I also learned how to dress for my body type two,
you know, and fortunately it's evenly distributed, he said, I'm
not ill.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Proportionate, but no, that's another part of the conversation, right yeah,
it is the dressing for your body type. That's what
even drew the the discourse with the lizzle at the
Lakers game, right yeah, because everyone was like, no, if
a skinny bitch were no one would say anything. Then
people were like, but there's kids at the game, so
it's more about what the kids are seeing.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
At the stop, like, Wow, she's so brave.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
I mean this is a lot.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
She's so courageous a lot.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
I mean kids are not. That's it's a lot.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
I ain't gonna hold you if I'm at the grocery store,
I don't give a fun what side of the bitches
If this outfit is on, I'm like, why the fun
she got this ship on?

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Yeah, everything that everything else aside, Bro, it's a trash fit.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
We can all agree on that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
I feel like sometimes fucking moments happened and people do
ship and they overanalyze because she's been getting shipped for
this since the ship came out period, and it's like
even she could probably now look back at this and
be like, yo, yeah, I should have done that ship
the bad Ass on a seat.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
It's also in the photo we're looking at right now, there's.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Also five people smiling and laughing like you know what
I mean, So like in the moment, it was like
all in good for you.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Know, there's a difference between life and which you were
laughing at you.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I think right there in the polo with the media
pass is like looking at the jumbo.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
Like yo in the corners like Lizo, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yeah, that's the energy I get from this.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
But then let me ask you, Liz, the dressing, like
is the away to take that someone saying well I
dress for my body type.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 5 (34:06):
I guess it depends on who you ask, because it's
essentially yeah, like you asked him, he learned his body
size as somebody who is probably bigger and they like
to dress probably more open like Lizzle. You know, she
not with the just but you know, like to show
a lot of skin. And it's like, if that's how
you feel comfortable. I know big girls who feel comfortable

(34:27):
and showing skin and they look good with the gold skin. Like,
if that's what works for you, that's what works for you.
Something like it literally depends on who the fuck you're
speaking to and how they they live in there in
their bodies. I mean knowing that even we have Victoria's
secret in all of these places now bringing in plus
sized models, which is also crazy because looking back to Kara,

(34:48):
all the bitches they say was pus sized back then.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
What happened because I'm not called you. It pisses me off.
It gives me so mad.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
I remember watching her growing up and I'm like, yo,
this is this is the prettiest bitch on this fucking show,
and she is. They tried to make her seem like
a fucking five x L. They did size breaking boundaries.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Like, bro, she.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
I'm not gonna hold you looking back, wasn't even thick, bro,
Yeah like she was. She wasn't even really excel when
I look back at like with adult vision, Kara.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
She's sick.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
She just had big titties.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
If she was walking down Dykeman right now, Grandma chasing
her with a plate of look like I.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Need something, you want, you.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Wanna, but this is what our envision of plus sizes.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
But I was gonna say, do you think we get
to a place.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Then with not only Chilawa Bosman but out inviting more
plus sized women into high fashion, that this conversation ceases anytime.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
It'll never never.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
You don't think we ever reach a place in society
where we're like.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
We're all different shape, sizes and colors. Let's just all
live as one because let's be considerate.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
A well, no, no, we had that for like six
months in like.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Two there was like maybe twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Probably also the body positivity movement when it first started,
we had like a good six months and then people
like you shut your fast up.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, no more Yeahsi.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
The subway was like, it's like for everybody.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yes, it's like I got girl.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
I also don't think it'll stop ever, because it's human
nature to be a hater. Oh sh yeah. I also
think that just.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
It's the it's the common game of hierarchies and people
wanting to feel better than each other. So it's like
if I drop ten pounds tomorrow, I'm gonna be like, motherfucker,
don't touch me.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
Different.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
You see that, yeah, you know, you know, but some
people do take that shit seriously, like they like, there's
probably somebody well on TikTok you see this ship all
the time. There was one dude who who used to
be huge, lost a bunch of weight and started fucking
wilding off weight started while he started to say, everything

(37:35):
is your fault, like you want to lose if you
if you want to be accepted into society, you need
to lose the weight.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Oble, I'll call you.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Yeah, let me let me.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
You don't have to hate your fat self to like
go to like so that your journey is valid. I
think I think that's something people do a lot like
just like yo, like, I can't believe we made it
this far. Oh my god, I feel so much better.
I'm so more I'm so much more confident. I feel
like everything I do, I feel like the world looks better.
I'm hearing colors, I'm seeing sounds, and it's.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Like, yo, I can have multiple organ.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Damn Jared from Subway.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But society made us like love history of going through
this big old fat man to.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Just he had them got the state farm.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
He's in a god, that fat bitch.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
He lost all his weight and he was touching on children.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Crazy.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
So that's what I love to talk about that because
I feel like fatness is the only addiction you can see.
So it's like, I'm a big bitch. So you could
see I'm a big bitch and people will hate you
just off of the strength. But it's like, bro, some
people are crackheads.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
People.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Some people do coke all the fucking time. Now now
we're coke shaming. Oh, I'm the coch shamer.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
I created, you created? He wasn't, I don't. I don't
think you was there this episode.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
But we had a guest on there that was trying
to get me to do shrooms at ten am on
a Monday from my fucking boss. But they're from the
earth and then they move and then they over here. Man,
you ain't about this. This guy's yeah, wait, fucking fucking mers.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Over here like.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Rooms.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
When shave you for not being a drugg anything, you for.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Not taking shrewd gummies at ten in the fucking morning
by the monday work.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
It's good to say that he he would do it,
just not at ten in the morning.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
Okay, right in the morning at work? What are we doing?

Speaker 5 (39:55):
And then get the kids out for because I'm saying
you gotta no podcasting. There's no hr It's a different game.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You could be buried appropriate.

Speaker 10 (40:06):
In the podcast industry.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I did want to do.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
I put hypocritical me, hypocritical you, and we got a
tweet to call into play. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
all right, because our memories might be short, but the
trial left behind on social media is long.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I want to introduce hypocritical me, hypocritical you.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Now, listen, I know there's tweets, y'all are always gonna
find me on goddamn.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Twitter say some bullshit.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
I'm just gonna throw that out there. However, we did
find a tweet from Marrows and so in all capital letters,
can we please pull up the tweet? So this is
a response tweet. This is back in twenty nineteen. So
someone wrote that Tuco cars Tucker Carlson looks like by

(40:55):
the way, I think when a person is a shitty person,
you could literally shame everything.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Their ugly kids, their marriage that fail, their their looks.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
I disagree, Okay, so we'll go.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
So this was Merrow's tweet from April second, twenty nineteen.
The dude invented the chin neck, where your lack of
a chin creates the illusion of a smooth transition from
head to neck.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Notice the tight ass Van Houston shirt struggling to hold
back those jobs and create the illusion of.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
I'll take now.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
What's crazy is I'm only going to well, first off,
I'm fashion this, but I will overly allow this because
it's Tuck Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
I can't even say it's goddamn Nick, and I'm out.
I want to get back to you if you don't
think that even if someone is an awful person, we
can shame them in every facet of their life.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
No, because the fat people that I love who are
cool don't deserve to catch strayce.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh damn, that is so kind of They don't deserve
to catch straight so nice.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Just so, that's that's it.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
But like it's not some like and like I feel
like people people think it's some like media trained whatever,
Like I've genuinely always been like this just like and
also like I've learned those lessons in real life, Like
people have approached me, like my friends and stuff that
are like hey, man, like I know it's all like
fun and shit, Like I get it, Like he bad built,
but like I kind of look similar to this and
as somebody who follows you, somebody who fucks with you, Like,

(42:26):
I know you're not talking to me, but it does
hurt myself sensitive, bro, not I mean talk about talk
about Tucker Coffin.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
Yeah, well will be that as it meant.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
To me.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I'll be honest.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
And that's where I feel like, bro, the sensitivity of
it all, Like me talking about how I don't like
waffles doesn't mean then it goes who love pancakes?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Got to come over and talk about? Well, damn what
about pancakes?

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Like, like, I just feel like if I'm talking about
one person in particular, I'm not talking to a group
of people. But you're saying that if I'm that shaming
one person, I'm fat shaming everyone.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, I get what.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
I get what he's saying because I have a friend
who he be talking about fat bitches Okay, And this
is a friend of mine who I grew up with,
And it's like, Yo, who the fuck you think sitting
in this car?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, you're talking about how but motherfucker, what what the
fuck you talking?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
What do you mean?

Speaker 13 (43:23):
Now?

Speaker 5 (43:23):
You know what this reminds me of like I'll be
talking to my homeboy about how I think men are
awful human.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Beings many ain't ship dating him is really rough, and
he'll be like, so you know I'm a man, right,
And it's like, yeah, but cool with that insuation shit,
so to me here, but at one point, because again
there's all the biracial jokes, some may apply at some
point if someone's talking about fat bitches and in land,
why would I sit there and be sensitive about damn

(43:51):
what you're talking about fat bitches? Like what at what
point can we just enjoy goddamn joke? And what point
is good enough?

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yo?

Speaker 5 (43:58):
That's what I'm saying, Like, wait, yo, so we can
only laugh at a fat joke if it's funny.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
If it's funny, yeah, get the fuck out.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Yeah you want to be whack about it, it's like
stupid as but if it's fun like to me, that's
what it is like to me, comedy first. That's why
I say, Yo, I don't mind if even if it's
my Joe, I don't give a fuck. If the ship
is funny, I will laugh, But if it's whack, I might.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Punch you in the man.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm he's the craziest ever. I my definition for professional
is somebody that's been paid to do that. I consider
myself a professional comedian. So as a professional comedian.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I feel like it's not crazy groundbreaking ship to say, Yo,
your jokes got to be funny, that's literally it.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
So then now this is where I gotta take it.
Last year we saw a lot of comedians get slack.
Andrew Schultz, we were just talking off air about ships
and gigs and the ship that they had to say about.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Black women or just not protecting. And again, I think
a lot of comedians lean.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
On the fact that, well, I'm a comedian, so if
I offend all, no one should be offended as long
as the joke is funny.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
But jokes being funny is subjective. So are we giving
anyone who could just.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Say I'm a comedian or I think it's funny that
they can just be offensive overall? Like at some point
do we hold comedians at all accountable for offending people?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Well so, Cat definitely.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Actually, Kat Williams had had a great point about this.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
He was like, if you have to do that, then
you like, if you have to punch down and you
have to attack, you know people on the fringes of society,
and shit, you're probably not that funny.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And that's kat I think.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
We've always talked about fucking paraplegics, We've always talked about trying,
that's the thing. But to me, that's all low hanging through.
We talk about what we see. So the idea that
now we can't say anything because someone's gonna be offended.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Whatever follower really hits you over, I'm like that shit
is that?

Speaker 6 (46:01):
But also you see how how animated you got about it.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Amated.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
It doesn't like I don't care enough to make a fuss.
This person obviously cares enough to DM me privately because
they're hurt by it. It literally costs me fuck all
to be like, oh damn you right, sorry about that.
Delete sweet and I literally never think about it again.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, but if you do it again, And that's.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
My problem, even with the apology, the sorry, because if
the joke is said again and then you just don't
get checked about it, it staysts.

Speaker 6 (46:35):
Yeah, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Like, someone's gonna always be offended, whether they write you
or not. So for you to only delete it because
it offended this one person.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
By the way, this is a friend of mine, this
was I get that. But what I'm saying is, then we.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Go into y'all's pod Hella jokes probably offends people. Every
episode somebody is offended.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Right, You don't change the way you go about talking
or joking or talking amongst your friends because someone gets offended,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
So even sorry, I think is baseless. I don't know.
I just don't think that we have to.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
This is going to be my very hot take that
is off also very bad. I don't think we have
to consider every fucking body if everyone needs to be considered. Sorry,
I know that sounds awful, But when we exist in life,
when we deal with our own insecurities, if one day
we wake up and we want to have a fucking
joke about something, I don't think that we need to
be on the cross to who we offend.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I don't, and I think that that's the problem.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Now everyone wants everyone to be considerate, when not everyone
is a considerate person.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Yeah, there's also there's also the issue of taste though,
Like you can make a fat joke and it be
tasteful and it land You know what I'm saying, the
ship is the ship just don't be landing. And also,
I feel like a lot of unfunny motherfuckers use comedy
as a crutch.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah, but but but.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Comediot, I'm just doing my dat.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Some people, is that what's on the only had Hey listen,
I peep the nails, So so yeah, that's how.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
That's how I know you're right handed. So listen, what
is happening?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Listen?

Speaker 6 (48:09):
You brought me up here to play I'm I'm a ball.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
You know what's up? It's victory?

Speaker 6 (48:18):
Like, now what's going on?

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Like, it's true what he was saying, Like some some
comedians will legit. They won't even be funny. They'll just
be edgy and they like saying, outline this ship and
they'll just create an entire story around it. But then
the joke doesn't really last it. If it does, people
aren't offended by.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
It that much.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
And it's like, what's the joke?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Like if if if a if a trans person or
whatever or a fat person is the subject of your joke.
Is the joke that they are fat? Is the joke
that they are trans? Is the joke that they are black?
Is the joke that they are like you know, what
I'm saying. It's like you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
It's like, what's the punchline? Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Like uh like uh, this one comedian had a great
joke about like about trans them in the ship. Well,
how like how they be built different because they're trans
and in the middle of transitioning, they're still going to
have those like masculine features like trans women specifically, and
uh this person made a joke about how like, uh, oh,
if you if you're trying to be a man or

(49:16):
whatever and you carrying your shorty bags, bitch, carry my
bag to the fuck like cause the comedian was was
female as well, so she was like, Noah, you better
get all the bitches bags if you want to be
you know what I'm saying, Like, if you're trying to
if you're trying to show out, you better get all
the bitches bags.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Then what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Like you the man around here, right, you know what
I mean? So like the so the the joke right
in that sense was the chivalry. It's like you're trying
to imitate. It's the fact that like, okay, like.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
If you're gonna patriarchy, yeah, it's like if you're going to.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Lean into your role as a man, then get all
the bags, you know what I mean? Like that so
like and that ship landed for me, and I was like, ah,
that's cool, that's clever. But if somebody's just on some
like I don't know, like if some he's just like
when somebody's on some ship like that that, I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
Middle school Like it's like, so that's how I feel
about it, Like what's the subject? What's the punchline?

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Okay, well, I do want to shake things up just
a little bit and pull in a little bit of
my hypocrisy and shake the table yet again, because though
I expressed my insecurities in dating and how people have
talked about me, I have also shared.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That I would not date a fat guy. So where
yes a man is like again told me he wouldn't
wipe me because I was fat or wanted to fuck
me before I lost late in full hypocrisy, I am

(50:50):
not attracted and with not dat a fat guy. However,
it's science as to why hear me. I like it
from the back because I don't ride. So if your
stomach and my.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
How you gonna finished me?

Speaker 5 (51:05):
No, No, it's not going in because now we have
two parts of our body stopping it from happening.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And yeah, they just be hot at night. I don't
like to beg like I got a mellon to rub already.
I don't want to rub yours too. I need abs somewhere.
Can one of us have them?

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Asking for I got to have as a lot. Okay,
well now you're now you're really good to judge me.
That's why I like him under thirty.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Over this six year old.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
This is the road with that.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
You know, Mandy loves a dumb man. That's what she loves.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
She loves some Yeah, that's what she.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Get attached to.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
A stupid No, not anymore. I actually like really smart man,
thank you very much. You know, like they're smart if
they're not from here.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
So I have something. They're a little bit more mature
when they come from across the sea, and it's important.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Smart they're either not from here and yeah, I'm talking
to another guy from an island.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
He has a PhD. Bro he's smart. I like niggas
with degrees, you know, just graduate. They're not a temperature.
There we go, there we go now.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
But yeah, so that is my hypocrisy. Before we get
out of here. I do want to hear any of
you guys' hot takes on body.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Shaming on with you, like what you don't like or
what difference you would like made in our society.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I want to just talk to the ladies out there, okay,
and say, listen, that little that little pouch in the front.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
I'm not mad at that at all.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
That's just that's just like the you know in the
NFL when the quarterback when it's cold, they got the
little ship that they put.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
The Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just me.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Is that youre keeping that good pussy walk?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
That is crazy?

Speaker 6 (53:22):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Listen, I love I love a little body congdress where
the little pouch has its own shadow.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
Delicious, incredible, Not you nutted you over here with what
you ask.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
All the time's weird sexual energy over here.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
Yeah, it's incredible. It's right yo. He pulled up and
he hit his beard with the rogaine, and I was like,
I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I like, I love so So that's what I was saying.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Not that we're talking about anything with weight here. I
would say in twenty twenty five, Fellas the salt and pepper,
that's the seasoning.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
We like not the ice.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
So I was just saying, ladies love the grays, can
you please keep the little seasoning?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
And look, this is coming from a bitch who just
admitted she likes a twenty six year old but the
older men. I love a salt and it is sexy,
it gives you, it's nice. I really like it. Stop
with the road games, stop with the stop with what

(54:27):
you mean that what he got a company?

Speaker 6 (54:30):
You got the whole ship, bro don't buy it?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Sorry supporting that Latina business by the bro grade. We
do not want Carlos boozers walking around here.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
We don't want that.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
And then it gets all in our pow cases because
we know men don't have homes anymore. Anyways, I do
want to ask, after this conversation, after all the jokes,
has anyone sat in here and changed their mind? I
know you ready, you were really thoughtful, and how are
words could really hurt people? I would like to say

(55:03):
I did not change my mind, may not move forward
and fat shaming, but I want to know if you
guys have any thoughts on anyone who would listen to
this and why they should change their mind.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Or if you guys change your mind.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
I mean, I ain' changed. You wond because I'm a
piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
But listen, I don't because my sister's a big girl.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
She's always been a big girl, and I got into
a lot of fights on av defending her honor.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
You know what I'm saying. Okay, so I'm not with
fast shaming. But like I said, but like I was
gonna say, but I am, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
You know what I'm saying, funny Unless it's funny, it's clever,
and the person is a terrible person, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Then it's like a triple like that's the triple combo, like,
oh you you are a garbage person.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh okay, cool, this is I find a clever way
into this joke, I bet. And the third one is
it funny?

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yes? Check check check? All right, I'm frying you up,
Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I'm not mad, Lizabelle. I would say, probably.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Start fights, start fires, punch your mom in the mouth,
don't have children, sponsor abortion clinics, free Palestine, period.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Nah. I really think that people shouldn't be so hard
on themselves. And I think that.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
People put so many restrictions on themselves regarding their physical appearance,
and yes, you should always take care of yourself. Like
even me, Like that's the journey that I'm starting now,
especially since my father passed. It's like I'm living a
whole new world now. People used to say, Yo, you
haven't been so heartbroken that you didn't eat. I never
felt that shit, not once, not ever in my life.

(56:40):
But when my father passed, I felt that shit.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I didn't eat for three days.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Bro my home would have to go give me fourteen
different fucking mangos because that's the only thing I could eat.
But it's like I never put any restrictions on myself
no matter what. I knew that I could create the
life that I wanted. I could be the person that
I wanted, and I could be the I could create
the things that I wanted. You know, we talked about
this on the podcast where it's like Kim Kardashian was

(57:04):
scared of aging because she knew she had a limit, damn.
And it's like, yo, women do like have that. Yeah,
it's like as long as you are beautiful, you can win,
and then the second you are not attractive anymore, go
kill yourselves. So it's like try to let go of
that mentality so that you can live a fruitful life.
I've been on vacations to places I never thought I

(57:24):
would go. You know, I've done things that I never
thought I would do. And guess what if I would
have listened to the restrictions of let's say an aunt
who said some fucked up shit to me, I wouldn't
have done none of that. I would have just been
another person who let their limitation somebody else put their
limitations on me, and I wouldn't be doing any of
this shit because I'd be like, wait, fat bitches belong
behind the camera, not in front. But it's like, you

(57:47):
love yourself, bro, you work on things that make you
happy and being a person. Yeah, be a good fucking person,
that's number one. And just bring all that beautiful shit
out of you. Bro, don't let just your physical appearance
because guess what, not everybody fits all the beauty standards
like you could be Kendall Jenner.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Guess what, there's somebody who's.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Like, nah, I get this bitch to eat.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Yeah, Like, so you never got You're never gonna be
perfect for everybody, you know, So as long as you
are happy, you content and you're doing. You're living with
your life the way that you fucking cultivated it. That's
that's all that I gotta say. Well, we wrapping this
with a question for the audience, as always, has your
mind changed? Are you free with your body no matter
the size? Or do you feel the pressure of body

(58:29):
shaming in your own life? I want you all to
share your answers in the comments over on our social
media page, especially if you are on the patree on
as Patreon dot com backslash selective ignorance. Again, I also
want to ask you to if this conversation has in
any way touched your heart to not feel the need

(58:49):
to talk about the way people look.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Or are you just like man, fuck the mix all right?

Speaker 5 (58:55):
And for Victory Like, where the fuck can everybody listen
and tune into the three of y'all?

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Hey, you know what I'm saying. It's Victory Lights.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
It's everywhere that there was a podcast that exist, Spotify, Apples,
the Internet, Mama's Microwave, Nigga be in there.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
The it's the YouTube channel slash according to the kid,
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's the actual U R. L.
But everything is there victory Like, Bro, the shorts, the clips,
shout through to our editor. You know what I'm saying,
been smoking the whole shot to the whole team. You know.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Look, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
I gonna hold you.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
You holding that one hostage? I hold you. That's her
that you hold it hip hostage.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
That's our secret.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Do you see this gatekeeper? She called before? Outside?

Speaker 6 (59:55):
She said, y'all hear some tortillas.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
That's all ya.

Speaker 13 (01:00:01):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Bro?

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
I want table side walk. I was like, Bro, We're
not messing it. I'm not doing this with all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Anyway, you can hate it or you can love it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Either way, are you choosing to be selectively ignorant or
are you choosing to be educated?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
See y'all next week.

Speaker 13 (01:00:19):
Pee, Thanks for tuning in the Selective Ignorance of Mandy B.
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Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
That's me and Aaron A.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
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