Ep. 8 | Can We Enjoy Sports Without Racism? feat. Kazeem Famuyide and Kevin Clancey - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, I don't even know if there should be a
trigger warning for this episode or if I should just
have you mentally prepared to be absolutely upset with half
of my takes this episode because where I'm going is
a bit problematic, only because I know what most of
you think based on your tweets and your selective outrage
on all things race and sports. I don't feel like

(00:24):
there's a way that we can enjoy entertainment without the.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Element of a little bit of racism, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
So today we are talking all things from bird to
magic to of course what we have been talking about
for the last year, Angel Reese and Kitlyn Clark. Now
hear me out, y'all know, I like to get my
hot takes off at the top, and I have two
guests that are here to challenge me. However, in terms
of the year old now debate around Kitlyn Clark and

(00:51):
Angel Rees, I'm going to be completely honest and let
you know that Angel Rees ain't what we want for
the face of the WNBA.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Let's be very clear.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
She wants to be a podcaster more than she wants
to be a basketball player. And yes, I have problems
with the fact that she does need to put a
little bit more clothes on. It's why you won't start
an OnlyFans. You know it's going to have an effect
on your job down the road later. And I think
that's the ultimate issue that I have with Angel Reyes personally.
I think that she is short term living her life
as an ig baddie instead of focusing on what she

(01:23):
could actually be for the WNBA that we do see
is renegotiating their TV contracts and has the potential.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
To actually pay these players what they deserve.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
We saw Angel go on and say how the WNBA
doesn't even cover her rent.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So you do a podcast, mind you.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, I'm a podcaster and I know the money that
we can make here. But for what Kobe Bryant wanted
in terms of where the WNBA is headed, I do
feel like Angel Reese is betting against herself.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And to be.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Completely honest, I hate to say it, Caitlin Clark is
the better go for the face of the WNBA and
it's not because she's a white woman. Anyways, we are
going to get into all the things to debating about
the black quarterback versus the white quarterback and all things
justice in terms of Entertainment, Sports and race.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Now y'all, Yeah, I gave it to.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
You and I don't even like podcast.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I'm going to ask what we talk about other thoughts.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, we are enjoyed today.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Let me go into the White Guy. I got the
most here kidding me.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
You don't lose.

Speaker 7 (02:29):
Anything the You'll be fine, You'll be good.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, guys, let me introduce our guest so that you
know they speak only for themselves and do not align
with any of my thoughts, views or opinions.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
On this show.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
We have Kevin of Barstool Sports and hosts of KFC
Radio and One Minute Man. Not sure if he's a
one minute Man or not, but we'll get into that later.
And the creator and hosts of Answer the Internet, which
that's kind of what we do on Selective Ignorance to
be honest, we're engaging and answering the banter of the
Internet who don't seem to come up with their own thoughts.

(03:10):
We also have Kaz, who is first off, there's a
lot of commas here.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
Kaz is all over every week, is it very busy?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Kaz is the host of Fanatic sportsbook Ringer Wrestling. Say
Less with Kaz low Key and Rosie as well as
the new edition sitting over there in Brooklyn seven PM
in Brooklyn with Mellow and Rudy and Merrow and Monica
and there's.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
A lot of you, all of it.

Speaker 8 (03:40):
Shot.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I love that show. I honestly too.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Just bought uh a check hit at the end of
the year, and I was happy because I literally just
bought a three hundred dollars Letterman jacket. But it's with
Carmelo Anthony's Syracuse stuff all in huge fans.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Band is going on because has.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Not to go back see in Orange Jerseys everywhere again
since there it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
We'd love to see it.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now, you clearly were a bit blown back by by
my thoughts and views, and so how we kind of
like to kick off selective ignorance is by you guys
having your chance to kind of share thoughts or rebuttal
my opening statements.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So clearly you are not in agreement in any sense
of the case.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I would like to know your thoughts and views on
the discourse around Angel Reese and Kaitlyn Clark.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I mean, I'm not I'm not in total disagreement with you,
because I do believe you know Caitlyn Clark being the
face of the WNBA makes economical sense, makes logical sense,
makes basketball sense, Like she's a.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Better basketball player. She's agree been.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
In literally the middle of America building a brand of
college basketball that has taken over the entire country. And
you know, I think, just as a hoop fan, you
see it with her in the WNBA, it makes total sense.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
The angel he's part of it is a little where.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
I kind of get a little disagreed, right because on
the on the basketball term, on the basketball since right,
the only reason why they compared to each other is
because they're faced off in the NCAA tournament. And obviously
the big moment where she's what was she pointing at
the ring where she was doing that and and then lost.
America pretty much saw her as a sore winner, I
think to a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
And then that just started a.

Speaker 8 (05:24):
Snowball of just all of these winners.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Anti angel things. Yeah, you know, there's certain there's there's
I didn't believe. So I love I'm a pro wrestling fan.
I love winning and telling the motherfucker I won. And
this is why I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Ship like I love all that.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
But I can see how that that fan base of
Caitlyn Clark saw that moment and just character characterized her
for the rest of her career. And unfortunately, like because
of that moment, every single time there's an opportunity to
compare the two players, it's also a reason to to
to poopole.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
On Angel Reies. Right.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
First of all, in the basketball sense, the two completely
different players, plays completely different positions. We're gonna put stat
for stat, number for number. It's not gonna look the same.
Kaitlin Clark is gonna win, and almost every single one
of them.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Mellow and Lebron different positions, right, the same position, not.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
For style of players, completely different style.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
And they were compared as well out the gates.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
Wait, hold on, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Loo, Okay, I can't.

Speaker 9 (06:20):
I don't watch the w NBA enough to I'm not
like an expert on it. I think my prediction will
be in ten years, I think we will laugh at
the fact that we ever even put them on the
same level.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh so, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
I had two reasons not believe that though, because I
think the person that we're gonna laugh that we compare
them to Because I think anybody who's followed women's basketball
will say that the person that you should compare Caitlyn
Clark to is probably Paige Beckers from Yukon or Juju
Watkins from USC like, these are the players that are
coming in that aren't just going to be you know

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or you know, no offense to injuries.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
She's a very good role player for Chicago's.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Junk Yard Dog Lunch Pale.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
I'm get your rebounds are gone in that, which is
what which is.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
What Jason was saying.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
By the way, y'all know we're joined by our producers.
Jason was actually telling me that. So I've I've had
a tweet where I said, I don't think I see
Angel Reese even really playing in the next two to
five years because because of because of the money that
she's probably going to make. She again, she did come
out and say that the w NBA doesn't even pay

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her rent and if she sees longevity and anything else
beyond the w NBA, which we know those players go
from playing in the league to then going overseas, like
the pipeline to make enough money to live is that
you're literally playing year round. And so I was like,
based on how she's moving and maybe liking the light
of being a socialite. I think that she wants to

(07:53):
lean more into that in the next two to five years.
And Jason disagreed with me because he's like, I don't
think you've become the rebounder of the like you you're
the number one rebounder if you don't care about the sport.
And I was like, well, you could also just be good.
That could be your guy given talent to just know
how to god damn rebound of ball. It doesn't mean
you enjoy it or that you want to keep doing it.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, but I do. I do think that you.

Speaker 9 (08:14):
I think she can be the socialite and the podcast
hosts and all that.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Because she plays ball.

Speaker 9 (08:19):
Yeah, and she might just make it to a point
where people that she's entertaining enough and whatever.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
But when you stop playing and you don't have necessarily.

Speaker 9 (08:27):
That moto, yeah, and maybe the podcast just takes off
to the point that she doesn't need any of that.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
But I almost feel like it like one feeds the.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Other, you know what.

Speaker 9 (08:35):
I I don't know if she'll like again, I don't
want I shouldn't, you know. I'm not a real w
NBA like fan, but just looking at those two styles
of player and what Caitlin Clark I think will go
on to do. Not that Angel Reese is a bum,
but it's just like I think that when we look back,
it's going to be like basic the league took you know,
took over and like a nice player, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
But also on top of that, I think Angel is
working on a different level of economics that prior popular
WNBA players have worked that.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
And funny enough, a lot of that is because.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Can we look up also just their background, like Kaitlyn
Clark and injuries.

Speaker 8 (09:16):
You mean.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Only because I don't want the idea either that they
both come from a different economical background as well.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I didn't mean the economic background.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
I just mean the entire w NBA's actual just women's
basketball in general. It just has a better economic standpoint
than they did several years ago because of Kaitlyn Clark,
because her coming in and you know, we can debate,
you know how much race plays into that, you know,
and I'm sure we will. But the big part of
that is like more people are watching, so you're get

(09:47):
more sponsorships. The fact that like Kaitlyn and Angel both
came into the league with ready made brand deals was
something that would have been rare five or six years ago.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
So I think, you know.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's too far fest
that she won't be playing basketball in a few years,
but you're hoping that because of the podcast, because of unrival,
like the other like off season WNBA three on three things,
like all these other opportunities that she's getting because she's
popular and she's sort of like a lightning rod for
controversy as well as Caitlyn Clark is, you're gonna hope

(10:19):
that you don't have to go overseas to make a
few bucks and make a few ends meet, because you
would hope that by the time Caitlin Clark is a
household name, not just in women's basketball but everywhere, the
rising tides to the lifts all ships, and you know,
there's more money to be made everywhere, and there's a
new collective bargaining agreement, so you're not getting paid what
seems like pennies compared to other like pro sports, so

(10:40):
you know, once that, you know, and money makes everything
go right.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I think that's what we're seeing though, the difference, And
I don't want to speak to work ethic or someone
like aligning themselves for a bigger cause, right. I think
though Angel Reese is not thinking of how she could
be a part of the bigger picture and making sure
all women in the wa make more money because she's
focused on on her making more money and not how
it impacts the WNBA. I think I think this is

(11:04):
where I draw the hypocrisy when I see people like tweeting, Oh,
she can do what she wants when she's not on
the court. She can do the podcast, she can wear
these pajamas outside with as cheeks showing and all these things.
But I think it's no different than when we see
people use racist terms or have OnlyFans, and then the
internet finds their job and holds them accountable for how

(11:26):
they're showing up outside of work to have it reflect
on the job that they have, even though the two
are supposed to be separate. And I think that's my point.
There's no way to draw the separation of Angel Briheese
right now and what she's doing off the court, And
it's the same thing that we do to every human
person with what they do on the internet impacting their

(11:46):
day to day life.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
It's different though, like if I'm calling you and you
work at CVS or something like, Yo, look go homegirl
from CVS is doing she's online, you know, saying like
Nazi propaganda and all this other stuff. I would love
my job, of course, but at the end of the day,
sports are entertainment in America, so like, whatever you need
to do to get more eyes on the product, like,
of course it's going to help sometimes. But as for

(12:10):
a person like Angels specifically, a lot of times you
kind of got to fall on that sword, right Like
when I hear about this conversation, when I hear you
talking about it, like if you was, if you was
a white man, don't do this in nineteen ninety five,
this is how you would sound about.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Alan Iverson because okay, yeah, this is.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Exactly how you sound about AI.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I don't know if you saw my mother take because
I didn't get to it because maybe now we're going
back to nineteen ninety five, I have this actual exact
take about why Anthony Edwards and John Morant are not
bigger stars than they are because of their off court festivities.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I'll call them, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
And so unfortunately I hate that you took it back
to AI and nicorrels.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
And the neck genes.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
But I do think that when we're looking at stardom
and we're looking.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
At people to be faces of these corporations, which let's
be very clear, that's what the league is.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's still a corporation.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
That's why Anthony Edwards saying, yeah, I here having babies
with whatever only fans model.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
He could stick his penis.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I hate to break it to he would not be
the first.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
That's a little different because you know, and he's done
some dumb ship. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (13:29):
I think Anthony Edwards is actually going to be the
way he talks so openly, like about.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
When he's not happy with his team, when.

Speaker 9 (13:37):
He like praising other other people, like like, it's just
refreshing that it's not the same old, you know, regurgitated tape,
whether or not that's embraced by corporate America, white America, whatever,
is kind of a different story.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
I think with the w n b A, I think
they love all of the Kaitlin Clark angels like.

Speaker 9 (13:58):
It. Nobody's done anything like bad right like there, but
that rivalry and that drama and I hate that there
is like the underlying racism because that's not.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
A fun part of it.

Speaker 9 (14:09):
But other than that, it is just good for business.
Like if if it was just one or the other
and they were good, it would probably be uh uh
you know, uh wow, like this.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Girl can shoot her a wow, this girl. But the
drama is what makes this. So do you think every
day headline.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
The drama making this into a reality Shaulmas?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Do you think this conversation even exists if they're both
black or they're both white?

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Roa Absolutely not, absolutely not.

Speaker 9 (14:34):
Doesn't the people who cannot admit that that Kaitlyn Clark
and angelis there's a racist thing that is that is?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
That is it? Bro Absolutely like that.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Great players that have come into the league that have
put up similar numbers to Kaitlyn Clark come into the
league and have dominated one rookie the Cannas Park came
to the league one rookie the year at MVP in
the first year.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, I'm saying like she got applause, she got dope,
lots of praise. But as far as what Kaitlyn Clark brings,
of course, you've.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Never seen a white girl shoot the ball. That's a
big but that's a.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Big lot of people have never seen a woman shoot
them all.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
That's the thing though, like the coverage in the Angel
and Caitlyn thing is weird because we all see how
Angel acts.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
A big part of Kaitlyn's appeal.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Is that she talks ship too, like she will get
a bucket, she wills yell at the crowd, she will
like pump her chest up and all that type of stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Like she comes in with an entire swag.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
That is just as if you're a fan of the game,
if you're a van of sports, you're gonna be intrigued
by that, you know what.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
I do think that off the course, she's pretty quiet.

Speaker 9 (15:36):
Of course, that's the difference because there's always a there's
always a SoundBite from Angel Reeves, there's always a quote,
podcast line, whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Like that's America.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Many Yeah, America, it's a bad thing.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
I'm just saying that that that also plays into it
that it's a they're totally different at least the way
they present themselves publicly, and whether or.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Not behind this is gonna be problematic.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
If it's anything that a woman can be, to have
a detriment or a stand on her is to be
perceived as a whole.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
And so I do think that the element of this.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
I know.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
You don't know this many you don't know this man.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Can we talk about what the rebrand is happening?

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Like?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
That was a word that eight years ago I thought
I could reclaim.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I thought that it was a word that, you know,
if we reclaim it like black people did the N word,
you know, it ain't gonna be seen as nothing but
a hey how And no it didn't go okay.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
That's that's that's told you you're not gonna you're not
going to.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
And so.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
But I think I think even in terms of the election, right,
the fact that the photo that we kept seeing of
Kamalo was her on the red carpet with Montell Jordan
like or Montelle Williams like, oh.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
She's such this she's she's, she's.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
And so I think that I think Angel having a
podcast isn't also either the problem. It's the presentation around
it as well that I think the conversations are also
leaning into with how she dresses, how she presents herself,
and unfortunately, god damn it, in twenty twenty five, the
narrative is still about how women present themselves, and I
think it does lead to people liking women that just

(17:22):
shut the fuck up, which is why people hate me.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'm a very opinionated woman, and they're like, you're just
the balso sit there and say nothing here.

Speaker 9 (17:29):
Ago, Like I remember the quote that jumps out with
me with Angel Reese.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Was she when she said some.

Speaker 9 (17:36):
Of the effect of like when they look back on this,
people are going to say that, like Caitlyn Clark was
the face of the league, and I want them to
know that it's also And I thought she was gonna
say like other women, right, and she said me, She's.

Speaker 8 (17:48):
Like, it's also member.

Speaker 9 (17:51):
And I thought it was gonna be a moment where
she spoke for like the rest of the league, who
I'm sure they're happy that rising tides, but on some
level that we know the veterans are very bothered by this.
I'm sure there are other talented, like you said, girls
who are like I've done the same ship and I
don't get you know, so there's definitely some tension there.
And I thought she was gonna speak kind of on
behalf of them, and then she was like me, and

(18:12):
that's cool too, Like you can be all about your
brand and like your money and like I'm not here
to speak for everybody else, but That's when I was like,
you're gonna it's gonna come across when you're when when
quotes like that start flying, it's gonna we.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Don't get to be arrogant like men.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
You can though, now you can though that's the beauty
of it, right, Like, because you know, I'm a I'm
a big pro wrestling guy.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I'm a big fight sports guy.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Like and you can have some of the best fighters,
best pro wrestlers, whatever, But the only reason why we
tune in is because we need a story. We need
something to hook us, something that that gravitates all and
like you said earlier or look like, but what what
what you said earlier in the podcast rings really true?
Right Like obviously with you know, we're in the era

(18:55):
that you know, race is always going to be something
that sort of unites us, whether it's good, bad, or indifferent.
Right Like Muhammad Ali, the reason why he was great
wasn't just because he was a great boxer, is that
he was telling me he was gonna be great, and
he was told he's gonna whip on somebody's behind and
all that type of stuff. And before then all our
boxes were you know, shoeless.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Jim Jones or whatever to do his name. Is that
just how the came in there. It's like I'll come
in there, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think I think that's the hook of it.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Then, right, we had race is always going to.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Be Jackie Robinson coming into MLB. We have what happened
with Colin Kaepernick, you know, kneeling and a lot of
you know, the skim folk who ain't kim folk who
chose not to kneel because they needed they checked get it.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
More power to them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think then, is that the element of entertainment and drama.
Is it needed that we talk about the difference in
caliber in terms of the athleticism and the money that's
made between the races? And do we have anything to
talk about if we eliminate race altogether? Like do you
think that y'all talk about these things if we know

(20:02):
that the conversation.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
I don't even eliminate all of it.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
I mean again, I think in this situation with Angel
rees and and Kaitlyn Clark.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Would be a less to talk about, a lot less drama.

Speaker 10 (20:12):
Also, can we can we add though that when we're
talking about race, there's also the element of like villain
being a villain with it, because it's not that just
Angels black. She's also painted as a villain in this rivalry.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
A specific audience because audiences they'll be there'll be there'll
be a section of an audience not a look at
injuries a certain way, and she's immediately deemed as the villain,
and there'll be another section of the audience, like I
know a person like Angel Rees, like I grew up
with Angel Reese's that's my girl.

Speaker 9 (20:40):
Well that that that was where I think she got
really racist was in college in that championship game when
when Angel Reese was she pointed the ring or whatever,
and that was like classless.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
And then there was like footage of Kayln Clark.

Speaker 9 (20:58):
And that's where it was like, obviously, I think people
sometimes forget to like there's a lot of racist motherfuckers
in this country, and you're not looking at it that way.
You're just thinking about competition, who's the villain whatever. But
you know, you go to Middle America and there's gonna
be a lot of people who look at that and
think away about it.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Even you bringing that up.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Has there been a narrative where we're discussing two players
in the same position black and white, where the white
person has been viewed as the villain.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Gate which.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
League it was versus the league.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
But there's never been that other element, right, if I'm
not mistaken.

Speaker 10 (21:35):
It doesn't it doesn't start that way, right, Like Brady
starts beloved before he becomes.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Like he was a villain because we were like, I
want this motherfucker stop.

Speaker 8 (21:44):
When it.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Was like wow, came in for Drew and then we
all loved him until he shows football over his family.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
That is crazy.

Speaker 9 (22:00):
That when you when you when you U when you know,
divorced your supermodel wife and what like. After that, that
was it was like you probably should have just hung
that one up because he came it was coming out
of retirement.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
That was the problem.

Speaker 9 (22:14):
And then he went like you know, eight to nine
or whatever it was and missed the playoffs for the Bucks, Like, well,
you probably should have just stopped.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, I think he doesn't really wanted to go down
to Florida.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, weird.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
For a minute, I could have been the most comfortable situation.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Girls pissed off, I'm about to leave edit soud like that.

Speaker 8 (22:35):
That's the real problem.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
And that's another thing. By the way winning like cares all.
You know what I mean? If Angel Rees goes and
wins the title.

Speaker 9 (22:43):
Yeah, like none of this matter or you know not,
it doesn't matter, but it's a very different story. Like
that's that's and that's where I think. I think eventually
Caitlin Clark's gonna separate herself.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, I think she's already separated herself.

Speaker 9 (22:56):
Stylistic thing, dude, Another another highlight reel of injuries.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Missing forty five layups is not highlight of that, Like
that is tough, dude. It's just like that I missed.
I get the way of everybody miss.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Get the rebound like she's the number one rebounder.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
There's a joke about that. There's a joke about that.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
You know, it's not it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, she did break a ton of w NBA like rebound.

Speaker 10 (23:25):
But to this point, there's an aesthetic argument about the
twos game that often gets muddled into all the other show.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
It's like, we saw what the NBA turned into once
it became the Steph Curry League, and everybody wanted to
watch him because his style of play was just so magnificent.
Caitlyn Clark is very similar, you know, Kelsey Plumb was
very similar coming to the league. So Brittany and Nesky
was very similar coming to the league. But Kaitlyn Clark
just did it at a clip and at a level
that we never seen before. So obviously, as a sports fan,

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immediately you're gonna get drawn into like this historical like
sports streak that she's.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
On and again from a white girl from.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
This, but it's like, hold on, because I want to
call him out just a little. I was like, so
we have a segment called hipocritical me hypocritical?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You can we go to his tweet specifically.

Speaker 11 (24:15):
So I'm glad you brought this because I needed to.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You will have your chance, You have your chance in
the hot seasir, But however, hippocritical Kaz Bill Simmons recently
said that Caitlin Clark is bigger than any NBA player
under thirty years old and says, I don't even think
that that's a debate. Caz chose to retweet this with

(24:45):
this list NBA stars under thirty Jalen Brunson, Anthony Edwards,
John Moran, Wenby s g A, Joe Kick, LaMelo Booker,
Karl Anthony Towns, and Luca Now.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Extra points for not including a Celtic. By the way, I.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Want to so this is where I find this hilarious
because you just sat here and gave Kaitlyn Clark all
of this praise for as amazing as she is. And
then I want to let you know I saw this tweet.
I looked at the list, and Caitlyn Clark is bigger
than this entire list. I also want to say, out
of this list, the two biggest players are white.

Speaker 8 (25:34):
So I just want to say, look.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
And Jokie killed this entire list, and Kitlyn Clark, to
be fair, is bigger than every other person that you
listed here, maybe not money wise, because we know the.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Different And so I want to know what argument.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
Was this at all?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
If these are the players you list in an argument
to Caitlyn Clark being better than any of yen Nson
is not that big?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Bro all reading the list, were all reading the tweet.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
We all know Jayleen.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
They talked about where did I say big.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
People?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Peopleateur?

Speaker 9 (26:18):
Right?

Speaker 8 (26:18):
So I was like, you know what list here? Take
this top?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Okay, I see what you're saying here, right, Like, you
look at this list and you talk about okay, but you.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Could come find them it's still not as big as
bro I I always think about, Like if you ask
my mom, I agree, you know, Carl Anthony Towns is
Devin Booker, no fucking clue, man. The best people were like,
get you know, you can talk about accolades, but whatever
in in like just the world, the world and.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I and I did I when I saw this list,
I immediately didn't go to stats or what they've accomplished,
or their deals or if they're a franchise player or not.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I immediately went to who would people know?

Speaker 12 (27:02):
That?

Speaker 5 (27:02):
A global picture?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I can tell you one be The most I know
about him is that he got into an argument with.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Brittany Spears, Like you know, okay, John Murray had the guns.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Anthony Edwards sleeps with all the girls and has babies
with them.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Jalen Brunson, good family man if you're in New York.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
More for his dad than anything else. Devin Booker, Kardashians.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
The balls were more famous, like five six years.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'm playing ahead.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
The family.

Speaker 9 (27:46):
Then righting fast. Actually that's another another great if you
really want to talk about racing sports, like the way
that people what.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Are we doing with them?

Speaker 9 (27:56):
Right?

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Like he's he's ridiculous, and he was loud and ship.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
He has three sons who are fucking professional or two
sons or professional athletes, and one who's like, you know,
playing college ball, and like they are a successful fucking family.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
And he was like a little ridiculous and stuff.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
But you know when people were like kind of talking
about him as like a bad father, I was like,
that's a successful.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Fuck you live long enough to come a villain.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, I get why that have he's on you know,
first take, and he just he was kind of like.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
He kicked the doors open for a lot of good
ship within the NBA though, like the n I L.
The whole g like kids getting paid, Like he took
his kids out of high school, brought them overseas, made
sure they were getting money, like the whole Facebook watching,
like the whole The reason why n A L. N
I L is even a thing, of course, is the

(28:48):
abandons and all that type of ship. But LaVar Ball
took that ship and put it into a fucking overdrive.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
And you know with him and his money with the
league that they put the leads together, sneakers have all
this type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Did y'all ever get the sneakers.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
They were they were what they were like five hundred dollars,
you know, they were ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Were the worst sneaker.

Speaker 9 (29:08):
Just super uncomfortable, like they was like just that they
had no plastic, they had no Nobody, let alone a
like high level professional athlete could play ball in these shoes.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And you see the least because let's be really.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Really that was the moment too.

Speaker 9 (29:27):
I remember we put it on the company card because
she was expensive. But we were like there was there
was the slides, there was the T shirt.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I still have a big Baller T shirt.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
I were the ball the whole family.

Speaker 9 (29:40):
It was like ironic, but it was like if you
saw somebody with a big baller shirt, it was like
kind of funny but kind of like yo, you got money,
Like it was a weird thing.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Maybe Taylor Route Boblaers literally playing Chucks and those are
the uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Jordan's up until you know, like like.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
The first you know, it was very comfortable to play in.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Yeah, like so you're playing at Jordan one right now.
You know when he.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Tries like Jordan Woods and like the black stripe Bulls
jerseys feat was fun.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I was like, yeah, that's why No, I mean.

Speaker 9 (30:15):
Okay, but she's she's just such a bigger star than
a millionaires.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
My daughter knows who this is.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Are you are you going to openly state that you
literally tweet for public outrage because you knew this was
one of those lists that listen.

Speaker 8 (30:28):
Absolutely, this is definitely.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
This is definitely because I believe, you know, Kaylyn Clark
is probably bigger than any NBA star who's not Lebron
stuff or probably Katie right and even Katy.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Is kind of.

Speaker 9 (30:40):
If I were to show to like my parents and
family and ship picture Kevin Durant and Kaylyn Clark, it's
probably gonna be k.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 9 (30:50):
Like, there's a lot of people out there that you
don't think of that are like, you know, Kevin Durant
is a superstar, and you show it to an old
white man, you can be I don't know who that
is exactly, but you know, Kaylyn Clark's getting talked about on.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Fox News and Ship. Yeah, there's just a whole different
you know, a whole different world. I mean, she's also
she's the Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 13 (31:05):
Of people do the Jackie because because because the league was,
like you know, the League was you.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Know, talking about her and ship and like the veterans were.
She just signed like a.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
Thirty million dollars Nike deal and is getting praised by
more than anybody.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
But she was the Jackie Robinson of the basket.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Now where we're gonna do it?

Speaker 10 (31:32):
The audio for the audio listeners, they do quotes. Yeah, yeah,
I don't believe that I.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Get into trouble critical you.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Here we go, here we go, all right? Aside from
Aaron straight up murdering people.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
First, Yeah, I am.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Reading sweet from Kevin So you.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Didn't even know what video we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, will remind you which one is.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
So at KFC barstool tweets on January twelve, twenty twenty three.
Aside from Aaron Hernandez straight up murdering people, I think
the Odell Beckham video is maybe the most deplorable behavior
I've ever seen from an athlete, or of anyone for
that matter.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
It always has been, always will be fuck that guy.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
I don't like a bag. I don't even know which.

Speaker 9 (32:28):
One was it.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
So the video was.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Of him out on the plane where he had to
be removed when he was with his.

Speaker 9 (32:34):
Okay, I do believe in that because I very much
believe in playing any thing.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Okay, I can see for the second, first.

Speaker 9 (32:42):
Second, I thought it was gonna be when he was
just like smoking a blunt with the pizza, and I
was like, that wasn't so bad.

Speaker 8 (32:47):
I legit.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
No, I really stand by this. I stand by.

Speaker 9 (32:50):
Aside from moshavior I've ever seen from an entire stand.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
By that ship.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
One moment.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
You think airplane, bro, he there's two.

Speaker 9 (33:02):
Hundred people on that plane that I think they had
to like cancel the whole flight.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Bro, Bro, are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yo, I'm trying.

Speaker 9 (33:12):
Yo.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
You guys got yo.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Football leagal o.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Listen, are you.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
Dude obvious?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
We're just talking.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Talk about like the convicted whatever, talk about stuff. Let's
take it too for what it is.

Speaker 9 (33:31):
Listen, I want to hear the if you are an abuser,
a murderer, a rapist, of course, right beyond that stuff.
This behavior like that is a is just straight up
like I only give a funk about myself and don't
give a shit about anybody else.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
I hate that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Wow, that's you're fucking two hundred people on a plane. Bro,
the plane couldn't take off?

Speaker 5 (33:54):
You all hear the privilege. Right, yeah, listen, literal.

Speaker 8 (34:07):
Was bigger than calrockets.

Speaker 9 (34:11):
Okay, I like wrestling too because the context style and
let everyone else make what they make. Of course, being
very very very hyperbolic, but I really do believe like
ship like that where where it's like if I was
on that plane and you're just like, he had a
do you remember it? He had like a million chances

(34:33):
to be like, just sit down and let this plane
take off.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Who fucking knows who's on that plane, where they got
to go and what.

Speaker 9 (34:37):
They're doing, And you're just like, I don't give a
funk about anybody else but myself.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Heards you.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
If we're talking selfishness, then you put that also above
farm still the seventy seven million dollars.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
Worth of money from from the.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
No No, no.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
They a scumbag like a sexual dv in and a
fucking thief.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
You are all terrible people, but there like you know
when people say I have an allegedly button that I just.

Speaker 9 (35:16):
Uh, you know, when people say like and I don't
believe this, but it's just a similar thought when.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
They say the shopping car tests, you know that it's.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
A good person.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
Good person is if you bring your shopping car back
to like the the place where you return the car a.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Car in his car.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
It's a small They basically saying like it's a small
gesture that nobody's gonna notice and like doesn't really make
a difference, but it will only be you.

Speaker 9 (35:43):
But I think that's a little bit like taking like
too far. But I think that's a similar idea of
like if you are out there in public on a
plane two hundred people they need to go where they
gotta go, and you're just like, I'm going to pick
a fight because I'm Odell Beckham.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
And I think that says a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
He wouldn't wake up, well what but whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
It was.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
He's a football player, he was on you know, probably
pay meds, his body hurt allegedly.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I don't know what he was, but he wouldn't wake up.
I don't know, I know that he needed to wake up.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
It's so crazy too, because I was just finished watching
that effects serious. As soon as I seen Aaron Hernanez,
I'm like, he was really wow.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
He not only he was just the worst murderer too,
Like evidence.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Way he was the worst murderer.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
The worst murderer was that player on the Kings that
got arrested last year for the for the y'all don't remember.
So he was on the King Sacramento King Murder. He
murdered one of his side girlfriends in in Vegas and
then we.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Can play the game.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
He must be, I don't remember, Prayer Stockton Kings was Oh,
well no he was.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
He was between the league.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
But yeah, here we go. Yes, yes I do.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I feel bad for the victim, he said.

Speaker 9 (37:05):
But now it was like him and another girl.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I would say, hey, don't beck him on the plane,
and him obviously.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Stand by.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
It's funny because I actually have a debate a little bit,
not debate, but another like telling if you're a good
person or not. I don't think that you need to
put the cart back because normally there's only one place
in the parking lot. It could be far from where
I parked, right. I think if we go back to
the airport, that you too far.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
That's what it's the winner.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
It's cold.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Now let's bring us into a more confined space. Let's
go back to the airport. When y'all get yourself out
the bends, and you don't put the bend.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
All the way up the empty and stacking.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I look at people like put the.

Speaker 10 (38:00):
Bins Like I work at T s A.

Speaker 8 (38:01):
I'll get up there. I'm like, boom, my shift my ship.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I got quiet contract.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
You walk into the airport like, yo, we're all in
this together, general, we got to get this safe.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Anything.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
What I'm saying, somebody, head down, headphones in, just be quiet.

Speaker 9 (38:18):
It's like getting on the subway in the air. You're
getting on the subway in the air, just like, head down,
be quiet.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
So we know Ken's list of worse athletes of all time,
O'Dell beats everyone else.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
That's so funny. I was like, what, I can't remember that,
and then as soon as I did, I.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
Was like, I stand by it.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
That is crazy, by.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
The way, real real quick aside.

Speaker 9 (38:40):
Another to do with racing sports T s A at
the airport, the air the security, the security where there's.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
The four lanes makes no sense.

Speaker 9 (38:50):
You know what I'm talking about, Like sometimes you get
to cut in front of people basically because they're like
you go there, and you go there, but then my
ship is now behind.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I'm going tell you to go.

Speaker 9 (39:02):
It's crazy. The whole system fucked. One day, I'm going
to redo all the airports in America.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
No, no, no, no, we still don't load from the back
to the front, so you're not gonna reduce ship.

Speaker 9 (39:10):
Well, you know, it doesn't make that. They've done a
study on that before. It doesn't change anything. Oh really
they like I think one time they like loaded a plane.
It was like the same exection front back doesn't matter.

Speaker 10 (39:20):
There's a good CNBC video on YouTube about like why
boarding in America doesn't change and they did the study
and it's.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Probably they probably started that out on Southwest. That's the
only airline that doesn't make sense. First come, first serves
seating my ass, what do you mean Zone A and
B loading? And that I just got to hope I
could get a window or as'll see. And you know,
if you also a lot of trust, no you're you're
stuck with the middle if you are not in zone ale.

Speaker 10 (39:47):
The whole airport experience is all based on so much
trust it's not even earned or like support to be
inherently a good person.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, you know what's a good person someone and letting
them know, go sit you want an aisle or and
we do not have to.

Speaker 10 (40:00):
Sit next to that question airport etiquette, what if somebody
has what is it the past?

Speaker 8 (40:06):
You have clear? You have clear pre check?

Speaker 10 (40:10):
Do you wait with them or do you say I'll
just be I'll catch you.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I catch you at the gates.

Speaker 9 (40:14):
A friend or a romantic it's somebody romantic, yes, saying
Let it's a girl.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
She's gonna bounce on you. A girl can leave a guy.

Speaker 9 (40:23):
A girl, A girl can leave her boy.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Let me know if you want to pay the fifty dollars,
tick it into this airport lounge.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
But that's where I'm going.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
If you don't have airport lounge access, I'll see you
on the plane.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
But what if what if you see gets upgrading your
partner doesn't. They got to sit in the main and
you sit in the first class. Again, a guy you
got to offer as a dude, you can't. It doesn't
work the same.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I'll be honest. This is how you know.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I actually really loved my ex coming back from Columbia.
I got the first class up and the second one
was like comfort, so it wasn't bad. But he was
almost seven feet like he's six seven, So I was like, okay,
I'm going to sleep the whole time. Anyways, So I
gave it to him. Just for his ask to come
back and wake me up to talk.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Didn't come with.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
Didn't come back there. Did he come back there with
a good snack?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Stuff?

Speaker 8 (41:19):
That's another contract, that's another question.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I was already pissed, sir.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I gave your ass the first class seat and you
coming back to wake me up. I was mad because
for that, I could have just stayed in first class
and you could have been back here a way.

Speaker 9 (41:30):
I've had a first class sheet that I gave to
someone else, a stranger to sit and coach with.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Somebody.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Oh wow, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Okay, last last airport etiquete, because let me see how
nice people y'all are. Someone comes and they separated them
from their party. But you're in the seat that you
want to sit in. Do you move to accommodate these people?

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Or?

Speaker 9 (41:58):
You know, my boss Dave, you know, he has uh
like he and I think that there's an airline that
at least tried to do this like no kids, like
he wants it to be like kids are not allowed
to fly in the air with adults.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
And I think there's one airline that tried to do that,
like no children.

Speaker 9 (42:17):
That's a very it's very different than ones you have kids, right,
Like I've been the guy being like, there's this fucking
baby crying on the plane, and then when of course, right,
and then when you have one, you're like.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Parents, you know what I mean. I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I'm just because it's just constant, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I'm just like eyballed all the other girls like I
did when these motherfuckers, yeah about my kids crying and
will goddamn kids. You know.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
That's that's me when I when I travel and go
on vacation and I see kids, I'm like, don't they
have school?

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Why are they here?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Like I'm confused why children are anywhere? Okay, what happened?

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I was gonna say.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Worse than that is when people bring their pets on
the plane. I think we have gotten that.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Takes no that has that has no bearing on any
sort of travel for any reason. Like I don't care
if you need like the special needs obviously, like.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
A real service dog. Fine, why the hell.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Do you need like a Yorkie in the airport and
you're not even in first class?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Like I understand if you.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Let's care about mental health?

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Okay, all right, I guess I.

Speaker 10 (43:30):
Have a question for you you're moving, okay, you're relocating
to another state, okay, and you have a Yorkie. Do
you fly with that Yorkie or do you pay somebody
to drive your Yorkie separately from you to the destination.

Speaker 13 (43:46):
And the political party you think that they are affiliated, Well,
the thing is, my dog gets pretty small.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I have have a have a Yorkie be shot mix
is a small black dog.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Like, because it's not good for me doesn't mean it's
not good for y'all.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I'm taking this. I'm sorry. What about you?

Speaker 9 (44:09):
I'm head it's like a one time thing. Like you said,
you're moving, I'm gonna do it. If it's like if
you fly all the time for work and you bring
your dog everywhere, I think you're pretty much an asshole.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
We've gotten to.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
This.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
This is I'm gonna get I'm gonna get more in
trouble for this.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
The curry takes about to get You're about to get
fried for this.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I hope you know this.

Speaker 9 (44:28):
You're saying we've gotten too far pro dog in our society.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Wait, you're saying that because that's your people.

Speaker 9 (44:35):
I know, Okay, I love my dog, I don't love
I don't even know your dog, and I don't want
them at the restaurant, like you know, like if you can,
you know if your dog is well behaved and trained
and all that, but a lot is not well.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
You are allowed in restaurants and planes and this and that,
and there's just fucking dogs everywhere. Man, you're not eating
dog hands too, but we you know humans.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
By the way, he asked you that dumb as a
travel friendly dog too.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Is not friendly.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And my cat has is a pandemic cat that I
bought from a crackhead for twenty dollars.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Wow, and so energy, his anxiety is high.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
So yeah, I from my move to Atlanta, I paid
a lot of money to have him driven down because
I wasn't going to be embarrassed and look like a
white woman that can't control her cat in the airport.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
So that's a different reason.

Speaker 9 (45:33):
You're doing it, though, you're doing it because you don't
want to get I don't want to be married talking
about other people.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
You just don't want to look.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
Back, don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yes, I literally was like, aren't people allergic to cats?
I'm bringing this motherfucker on the plane line.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
And then the anxiety around having to take him out
of the crate and.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Put him back in. I was like, oh that's a lot.

Speaker 8 (45:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Okay, well we're getting oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
listen to me. All right, we're getting into the last topic.
And we like to I like to lean into even
the way in which we approach justice in terms of
when you know, athletes do terrible things like not wake
up on planes.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Or murder people.

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I want to shake the table a bit with what
we've seen in terms of how the fans have either
chose to ignore or accept bad behavior in comparison to
those who have been shunned for all the years to come.
And what I want to kind of bring up in
this one is Michael Vick and fighting the dogs and

(46:32):
then insert white quarterback here.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I mean again, we could go from brown harbor.

Speaker 9 (46:38):
Ties right into what I just said. Though if you do,
I always joke, there's and it's not really a joke,
it's serious. There's two things you really can't do. Fuck
with dogs and blackface.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Oh I'm.

Speaker 9 (46:54):
There are people who have abused and maybe even I
mean like you look at uh the Star Wars and
he has killed the guy before, right, Like if you
if you fuck with the dog and you do black,
You're done, Dude, You're done. There's there are certain things
that like are just like trigger and I think Michael
Vick was.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
I think the dog element was a big part of that.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Let me tell you something, Michael Vick was really, really,
really good at playing quarterback.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
So so as bad as the dog fighting was, eventually
a good portion of America I think started to forget him, Like,
don't he's he definitely.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
He did his time.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
He's he's been an advocate for ever since. It feels
like he's still on Fox every every feels like every
year they gotta like roll him out to like do something,
you know, like I'm still against this sort of thing,
like just to make sure he's still cool. Like it's
the certain thing that he's got it.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
He has to pay for that, pay for the rest
of his career. As a Jets fan who cannot find
his quarterback, I don't like.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Let's go my my morals as a sports fan, speaking
as a sportsman, as speaking as a humans too.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Completely Oh, as a sports fan, My my morals are
very negotiable.

Speaker 8 (48:09):
Super negoti super negotiable. As long as you're good there
are certain things.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I'll be like, all right, like I can't have that
on my team.

Speaker 8 (48:17):
But he's gonna be how much.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
You'll think about it for a minute, You'll be like
other people's teams.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
It's very easy to just get the.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Shooting team is like, all right, what are we doing
to make sure this guy gets the help that he needs.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
He apologized.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Sect ignorance.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Literal hypocrisy in human port, but he said no, as
a sports fan, I'm not human anymore.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
As a sportsman, I'm just saying like it's negotiable. I'm
not saying I wouldn't like still be against it. It's
just like, all right, like you gotta at least show
me some things that you're moving towards this terrible thing
that you did before you come and playing for my team.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I'm not gonna buy a jersey, you know what I'm saying.
I'm not gonna be brow.

Speaker 8 (49:11):
Sometimes.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
I got a couple of Jets jerseys I'll never wear
outside again. That's the last one I'm wearing outside. But
I mean to support as a fan, like supporting.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
There's the problem is there's like a lot of ship,
a lot of bad ship that goes on, you know,
what I mean people, Yeah, I love and just crime
and ship like that's separate.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
But like there's you know, like there's a lot of
just shitty behaviors.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
The Brown situation this year right where everybody was shitting
on Deshaun Watson, Right, Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I'm not gonna hold you. I want to hear your
thoughts here.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Been done a lot of foul ship twenty exactly, done
a lot of foul ship in his career.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
And obviously, you know, the Browns were starving for a quarterback,
and I venture to guess, if you play it anywhere
close to his Houston Texans form, I don't think anybody
really gives a ship.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
But because he didn't, because he still did all this.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
It was bad.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
It was like more it was very easy.

Speaker 9 (50:06):
To just like power because that's the difference though, it's
like we you're willing to take you know, if you're
a distraction, if you're a problem, if you're an asshole,
you fuck up with the team chemistry, and then it
goes further.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Are you going to be like a legal problem? Are
you going to whatever? And there's just you know, levels
to acceptance of that basic.

Speaker 8 (50:25):
He was highly he was controversial.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
He wasn't playing well.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
He played for a team that was starving for somebody
at his position, Like he hit all the deadly sins
where it was like yo, by the time that he
got hurt and people were cheering, I didn't think.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
It was right, But like, I understand why.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I got why they got to that point, right all.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
I mean, rooting for sports in general.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Is so stupid, literal Launders.

Speaker 9 (50:54):
I mean, it's it's it's a crazy thing that we
do and we get totally obsessed with so like all
of this shit, none of it is makes sense, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
But but yeah, I mean when you look at like Roth,
like a lot of shit goes when you win two
super Bowls, when you win.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
To super Bowls.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
The people who was like I, that's all I've ever
wanted in my life was to root for a team
that won the super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
And if I can just look the other way on that,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I'll be honest with you too, I think, and this
is my problematic take that I've said in terms of
even everything happening with Diddy and everything else, sexual assault
abuse on women is often glossed over above then all
the other crimes that you can do. So the fact
that Deshaun Watson could have twenty seven allegations of sexual

(51:40):
assault and Roethlisberger can go on to continue to win
Super Bowl games and games with the Steelers at all
is because no one cares about women.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
And on top of that, for speaking specifically about the
Shaun Watson situation, using that as an example, read between
the lines like that wasn't one person who who you
know got away with this.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
This was a franchise. This was a system that like
sort of it. Hey, this man he needs and just
to get him, get him right from Sunday like all
right here you go.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I mean, it's probably the same thing though that Hollywood
has done, the music labels have done to protect our calls.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
That's exactly what are Certain people who like stories just
disappear and and other people they don't. And it's a
matter of probably who you are, how much you win,
and how much money you have, how.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Much every year every year we see it, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (52:29):
And depending on what sport you play, or what city
you're at, or especially what league you are, depends on positions.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Quarterbacks, just you know, maybe twenty good ones on the
whole world.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
Yeah, you're not really good one that you're like, you
can play, but you're not good, so we will you
have the.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Same Like a good quarterback in this NFL city has
like enough power as like an elected official, just as
powerful as like the mayor of your city.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
If you're a good quarterback in your city, you can
get away with a lot.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Tom Brady like like transformed a region of the country
like New England, like became became a Yeah we knew
that it.

Speaker 9 (53:08):
Was actually in the US because who goes to you know,
but I mean like that like Foxboroughs in the middle
of nowhere, and it became like this, like you know,
industry to itself.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
It's like it's a big deal.

Speaker 9 (53:22):
And when there's money like that on the line, talking
about billionaires and all sorts of ships, like they will
make things disappear.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
They will. They will, you know, decide your fate, whether
they like you or not.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
It's you know, it's meaning to remove that video of
you from the planes there gonna make some more money
so that we don't have to see be such a
horrible individual anymore.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I'll tell you this though, if this is old, if
he got caught as old all five years ago. Guarantee
you that plane that plane video doesn't see the lot
of that's like how much.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
You even get in trouble?

Speaker 9 (53:53):
Like these guys are bulletproof because they they got people
cleaning up for you and they got shipped like like
what you wanted to be the evidence?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
So there we go.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
And this is why did he thought he could get
away with everything? Because the more money you make, the
more power you have, the more you can.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Just believe you can get away with any mother that
I can think.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I didn't think we're going to stay at this with
a diddy.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Here we go.

Speaker 9 (54:14):
That's why it was so funny though, when when when
Drake when of Drake's replies was too famous for that
to happen.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
So I get it.

Speaker 9 (54:22):
I actually no, but yes, that's where he's coming from.
But it's like, no, it's exclusively famous.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
That's exclusively how famous people get away with And.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
That's why we loved watching scandal. We saw exactly how
that shit happened when you have fucking power. So now
what it's very clear to me that you guys want
to lean into your hypocrisy, your selective ignorance on how
you view because you said, I'm human and a sports fan,
and you're you're you're leaning into that. So we're not
holding any athletes accountable. And we do agree that we

(54:52):
love the drama that race brings into sports.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I think we love the drama that actually.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
The entertainment value is for sure, because as a sportsman,
I could I could watch the game and just enjoy
the game for what it is, but I know.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
The economics of what makes this whole thing go.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
It's the storyline, it's the rivalries, it's the oh my god,
such and such as playing such and so we all
got to watch. Like if it was just about who's
the best at what like, it wouldn't be as interesting,
wouldn't make as much money, we wouldn't be as interested
in it. And at the end of the day, when
it comes to a lot of stuff in our entertainment,
especially in this country, race is usually in the DNA.
And so if you're if you're watching, you know, at

(55:30):
the at the very at the very basis of it,
white man, black man, who's stronger, who's faster, who could
jump higher?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Who can do the question?

Speaker 9 (55:43):
I answer you back when this stuff was more acceptable,
and it was if it was a team of all
white NFL players and all black NFL players who would win.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
And it was at a point where we had the
quarterback quarterback game.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
Like on locker and now we got nothing.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
I just saw us that the tops six rated defensive
backs in the league right now all white guys.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
For a while, that was like, that was like the
black quarterback. That was like white. What is Jason c.

Speaker 10 (56:11):
Horn and Jackie Robinson of cornerbacks.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
That white quarterback?

Speaker 9 (56:16):
I know it's not bad, but the only right couple now,
But I mean that we pretty much lost that battle.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
When they called was the name ku Klux Clamps?

Speaker 4 (56:26):
That was?

Speaker 8 (56:28):
That was that was the Eagles. I forgot the damn yes, yes,
cool ku Klux Clamps. I'm like, Yo, that's worse.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
If that's if you.

Speaker 9 (56:43):
Imagine you don't want that nickname though, you imagine you
like somebody throws that on you in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
No, no, no, that's not I'm trying to get a
deal here. I'm trying to get we got we got nickname.

Speaker 8 (56:54):
We gotta objectively be able to point out when something
is just funny.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
All right, good cook Clamps would not.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I'm not gonna lie your nickname about me is not
funny at all.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
So yeah, I love it. Not siber.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I'm socially liberal, fiscally concert culturally.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
Me too.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
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