Podcast Wars & Burnt Bridges feat. Barry Neal | Bonus Episode - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Mandy be Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production
of the Black Epec podcast network and iHeartRadio. Welcome back, classmates.
It's another episode on a Friday of Selective Ignorance, and
I am joined by probably the baddest classmate, the one
who should be expelled and sent to the what was

(00:23):
the disruption school?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
What are those called?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
A second grade? Right? I literally was expelled from the
second grade.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Expelled out of second grade is nuts, y'all. I have
very very is joining us. You may remember his episode
with Ish. He is also someone if you are a
whore Hive member or just a classmate, you see him talking.
He did a lot on our Assembly Hall. But I'm

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excited to kind of talk the topics with him this
week or this is America segment. We are talking Joe
Buden versus Native Land for celebrities say the darness things.
We are getting into Kevin McCall versus Chris Brown. And
then we actually have a classmate who sent in a
response to last week's letter. The am I Ignorant segment

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around her doing the same thing, apparently having an abortion
with the perfect man.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
So we're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Into it very as stress, But I guess before we
get there, we'll do a quick little catchup. I do
want to say, if you haven't listened to this week's
episode featuring Glasses Malone, I was thoroughly surprised with how
much I enjoyed him. If he was local, I would
actually consider having him a monthly.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I like him.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I thought you were about to pick a number four.
I didn't know how what do you mean a number
four boyfriends? Aren't you trying to Oh no, no, no, no, okay,
I would.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I would never be in a romantic relationship with Glasses. However,
I so I've been on He's come on horrible decisions right,
and then he's also been a guest when I've done
Brilliant Idiots the most recent time. And I don't know
if it's maybe his dynamic with Weezy or just leaning

(02:16):
into sex and dating with him because he speaks real
West Coast pimp like But in our episode on Tuesday,
this is gonna be embarrassing to say. I'm gonna say
it again because I know I said it in the episode.
It was scary sitting across from him because although I
disagreed with damn near everything out of his mouth, he

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at least could back up his opinion and Barry what's
crazy is On the episode that I recorded with you
in Ish, we talked about like the echo chamber of opinions.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And how people don't seem to be able to form
their own.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I was almost impressed that he believed the bullshit coming
out of his mouth, and so I was like, nigga, you're.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Like me.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Ignorant with a smile. You know me, I don't know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But no, no, no, no, he knew exactly what he
was saying, and he backed it up, and he had
real like analogies and deep dives into why he thought
the way he thought. And I was like, bitch me too.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I promise to listen to that episode, but tell me
one thing that you said. Oh man, that was that
was a mic drop.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's funny because everyone is arguing right now on the internet.
The clip just dropped, and Tank is in the comments
fighting with people. Glasses is fighting with people. He pretty much, ah,
you know, you.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Know, everybody got something to say about Drake.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
So he pretty much said that Drake is not hip hop,
he's pop and he takes from the culture and makes
it digestible for people. His analogy was like of Americans
making taco bell and how fried chicken is a soul
foodle and so basically Drake would be KFC wow.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And so it was.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
It was just interesting because did I agree with him? No,
But he was able to explain.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
What we're not gonna do is rehash that conversation. I think.
I think here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Right when we hear of pop, to me, we think
of popular and so I think it's why even though
Beyonce has transcended R and B, she started R and B,
she went pop because white people listen to you. So
to me, labeling black people who are first labeled into
certain genres as pop later just means that they've transcended

(04:44):
a genre because now they are so popular that the
world knows them, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Michael Jackson was the king of.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
What because he was popular.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
The nigga okay, so so here and here's where when
you listen, Like we disagreed, he was able to say
that Mary J. Blige was the queen of hip hop
that bitch sings, and he was trying to say the
singing element of Drake makes him not just because the
bitch bop and where's don't make her hip hop, it's

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when the thigh high boots and firs hip hop.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Like no, actually, if you really think about.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
It, it's Italians. When I think of like the Firs,
I think of the mob.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Name of space that you go into. If you were
the thigh highs, you would just be like, Okay, she's
doing it. What do you mean that's the only place
you're walking. There's no other room that you're in that
you could walk in with the thigh highs.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
He here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
And maybe because I lived in New York for thirteen
years and so you are in the Midwest, them white women,
maybe when the temperature drop them girls be having the
thigh highs on.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Now they get the boot. Okay, now for US.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
High country high that's the year round.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I want to know what I think is hip hop
and black culture. If we're talking boots, it's the boots
with the fur. Everybody was her Hello, she hits the blow. Hello,
next thing you know they got.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I just want to warn everybody ahead of time. Sometimes
it's wire gets loose.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
We're not gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
We're not gonna do that, And the sound just vanishes.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
We are not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
First, I don't hate on my vocals, shake it, and
yes I fucked up those lyrics. But the boots with
the fur, to me, is is black culture. Like white
women aren't putting boots with fur on unless it's uggs
and then they're wearing a little mini skirt with that.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Bitch and they're working.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Not. I'm just saying if I, if I, if I
see a cocke on women, I'm assuming not that they
ever do you? I want to be clear, do you?
But my first thought, the quiet thought to myself, will be.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Hm hmm, listen, listen, listen.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well you know King Kylie is out, so the and
and then we got Alabama Barker, we got the white
girls still in all the black culture.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I don't think Drake does that. But when I say because.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
You're not putting up a good fight, y'all.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Fight, you saying that, Wait, black women are putting up
a fight to keep our culture.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
When it comes to certain people, y'all, y'all elevate you see,
we don't know, we don't we don't elevate them.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
If somebody crossing, do you hear this black king talking
about how black women are?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Do you hear this?

Speaker 3 (07:47):
No? No, see, don't twist now.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, we listen before we get into some pod talk,
and this is America. If you're listening to this, it's Friday.
If you are in Atlanta, Georgia, pull up on me
tomorrow or Sunday.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'll be there.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I'll be at the one Music Fest here in Atlanta, Georgia,
and I will actually be on stage with my DJ
DJ jazz Et from the radio station Hot one on
seven nine. Thank you. We'll be doing the set. Let
me pull up my phone. We'll be doing the set
with the girlies, y'all. It's really interesting. I ain't gonna
talk too much shit right now because I ain't on

(08:24):
stage yet, but just know Rashida is closing out the
set and so if you want to chew on her
bubble gum, you could come and see her. But let me, guys,
let me tell you what chew bubble gum that's talking about,
Like Eyo pussy. You an'll know the lyrics from Rashida.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
This is an old song.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Anyways, y'all, you could catch me on the Southern Ladies set.
Shut up, you can catch me on the Southern Ladies
set at the One Music Fest. I'll be introducing bank Row, Knee,
Flip a t Kin, the Man, Rashida, it does say
and more. I can't let you know who the and
more is, but we do have the Southern Ladies set

(09:08):
happening on Saturday, so you could come see me on
this his age and you know, why are you?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Thank you? It's it's it's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I never felt older until you say them names. I mean,
I know so you always joke about I know you
always joke about my age. I never felt older than
when you say them names.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I'm not gonna hold you the I know Rashida from
Love and Hip Hop, and I know Kim the Man.
She was supposed to come on decisions, decisions back when
it was even horrible decisions. I'll be honest with you.
The other woman, the first one I said, sings I'm
so atl I'm so mind you. I just found out
I'm so atl is not I'm so Atlanta. It's I'm

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so about that life. And this is where I'm like
a bitch is old. I'm so about that life is
apparently what I'm so atl for, and apparently Atlanta adopted it.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
As their own.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So, Barry, I want you to know, even though you
have me by about five decades, I too, it was like.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Who are we introducing?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
But I also feel like it's a geographical thing. I
think living in like, I would know a Connie Diamond,
a Billy b Alula Brook Like, because I've been in
New York for so long, I know the New York
rap girlies.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't know these Southern girlies just yet.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Can I make requests what, Barry, that you do your
homework on them so when they come onto the red carpet,
you can know their names. And then I don't want
I don't want you to say, hey, introduce yourself to
the crowd. I just want to make sure that doesn't
happen because no one likes that.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
By the way, y'all don't have heard me already talk
about my experience with that.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
You don't have to work.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
When when I meet these ladies, they gonna think I'm
their biggest fan.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I'm gonna know everything about them.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
They husbands, they booz if they married, if they not,
They hit songs, they be cuts.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Like I'm periods.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Just the least you can do as a professional.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's the least you could do. So I'm gonna be
listening to.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Those songs all week preparing myself for this weekend. I'm
also really excited. I did wanna let you guys know
before I leave here. The other people that I'm really
excited to see this weekend. Really excited. Black Thought is
taking the stage with Marriage Flies, Buster Rhymes and have
It for Mob Deep. So really excited for that set

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that Saturday night too, So I'm gonna beat her all day.
Doci is performing. Doci is one of the best rap
girlies I've ever seen perform. I got to see her.
Have you seen her perform live?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Very not in person, but I've seen her live performances.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
You don't understand. I brought my best friend Crystal.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
She did a Delta event because Delta and Uber did
a collab in Atlanta, and I brought my best friend
Crystal to the event with me.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
She didn't even know dochi.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Let me tell you in the audience she downloaded and
was like, Oh, I like this bitch, Like that's how
dope she performed like. She turned my friend into a
fan on the spot and literally was like, oh, I
love all of this.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
She a Florida bitch, So I feel like there's that
type of connection to.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
The Deltas.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Let you in Nigga Delta Airlines. I'm Diamond status. Let's
be very clear, we not talk about the Delta's. We
talk about Delta Airlines, okay.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Jasmine Sullivan is performing. Really excited because I get to
be with Antidete this weekend period, Kayelini, Ari Lennox, Leon
Thomas flow Odo, which I'm really excited to see because
that man is fine. Uh and Ludacris. Also the Dungeon
family and friends. So it's gonna be insane. This is

(12:57):
probably one of the best lineups for a festival I've
seen all year.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
So you got room for a plus, Wasn't it right?
Because I first got I'm not the Delta nothing, but
I got some Southwest miles.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
First off, I have artists and friends and family bands.
So Barry, if you like to come out and I
feel like I could get you a little pass and.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
There if you liken't, I don't need to I could.
I said I got you as what I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
He request one more bands tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I need Dundale. Barry, You're good, by the way, do.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Y'all see how black folks do, Like, hey, hey, what
you got for me? You getting me in that bitch
for the freedom.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
What I'm not gonna do is be there on the
maybe like, oh, Barry, I thought.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I would never do that, Barry. I would come out
myself to get you in.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
No. No, because sometimes they don't let people backstage right,
and then so you stuck just out there in the
general mission, you know, and not you. You know how
that is when you want to you want to meet
other people and you think you're gonna be hanging, but
they say, I don't know how you're gonna party when
you can't get it.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Wait a second, you don't want to be at Jim Pop?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Are you coming? You know what's crazy? Is this coming
from an elitis standpoint? And I asked that because we're
about to get into the intellectuals versus the caveman allegedly,
So I just need to know what side of the
coin you're standing on before we get into this is America.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
I'm just learning from my friend who had a chance
to go to a concert and said, if you think
I'm sitting in GM.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Pop, you, yeah, I ain't go What concert was that?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
That was Awayne loll.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Wayne was just here in Atlanta, y'all, and I was like, Oh,
he can't give me backstage at the State Farm, nigga.
I just went there for Keisha Cole and was dapping
up to chase backstage.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Niggas.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
You know who I am, so we know what side
of the fence.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Uron First off, I'm an artist. You will respect my craft.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
By the way, me and me and Barry are in
a little group chat, so we did kind of discuss
this just a little bit, which is why I have
him on this bonus episode because this is the platform
where luckily I get to kind of stay in tune
not only with the culture, but share my opinions as
they happen. And instead of hopping on board last week
for the Friday episode, I was waiting on that Saturday

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drop because I didn't want to hear the response first
before we just came in. And you know, there was
a lot happening over over the past week. But basically,
very you're might calls this episode, do you want to
give a brief overview snotos what happened?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I will follow up?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
So basically, there was a clip that circulated of Mark
lamont Hill, who is the we're gonna do We're gonna
take this to court? Right he was, Let's say he
was the you think he was a defendant or the
or the prosecutor or prosecuted. Okay, So basically he and

(16:07):
Flip Queen's Flip both their co hosts on the Joe
Budden podcast, and essentially on air during a spat, there
was something that was said off camera that ended up
coming on camera, Essentially the allude they alluded to Mark
wanting a higher raise and it's I'm bringing up all

(16:28):
the details because I want us to dissect this in
the way I haven't seen it done thus far.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
And then I do have a clip.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
To play as well of Savon and Alex from the
Need to Know podcasts breaking it down. However, basically, there
was a conversation that Mark lamont Al had with his
boss Joe Budden around what he wanted to get paid now.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Essentially, he said.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
He wanted more money, and amidst requesting more money, he
also alluded to saying he didn't care whose pay had
to be cut or who had to be out in
order for them to find a budget to pay him.
More money, right, and so anyways, I guess this information
got back to Flip and he felt away and.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Chose to.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Well and he also it was set on camera essentially,
and basically Queen's Flint decided to share his frustration.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
With feeling sunned little boyd all the.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Terminalities that you want to use in terms of his intellectuality.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Is that a word intellectuality? Intellectual ability?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Basically he said, Yo, you get on this podcast and
you do word vombit, but you say a lot of
tricky words and I don't like how that comes across
Mark Lamont.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
He'll responded with the words are tricky to you.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Basically it got into the fight got so personal where
they both eventually ended up being standing up, had to
be torn apart from each other, and of course this
was released as content two black men not being able
to have a civil conversation. Well, Mark Lamatio, who was
once on CNN and again is a quote unquote intellectual
is friends with the host over on the Native Lamp podcast. Now,

(18:17):
this is an iHeart podcast that dropped last year. They
did just reach I believe one hundred episodes, so they're
about a year or two in or maybe they were
dropping two a week. They were really heavy in dissecting
the conversations around the election that took place last year.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
It is yes, so it's Angela Rai.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's Andrew Gillum, who, if you guys do not know,
did run for governor from the state of Florida but
got caught with a man prostitute. He is a family alumni.
And then you also have Tiffany Cross, who let me
share with you guys. She was the host of Across Generations,
which was the Will Packer production that I worked with.

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So it's interesting because as always I know both parties,
so I was like, okay, this is interesting. Now Tiffany
did choose to bring this topic up on Native Lamp pod,
where the three of them chose to all agree that
they were not listeners or viewers of the Joe Butden

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podcast and that the algorithm Algorithm and this clip with
their dear friend came across their timeline in which they
chose to.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Essentially share their thoughts.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Now, this is where I want to break it down,
because when I say share their thoughts, they pretty much
said that Mark Lamont Hill doesn't need to be with
these hood boogers and gang bangers and he needs to
go head back home with the intellectuals. No, it was
that's kind of what it sounded like to me. Now
I'm not reading verbatim, because if you want to, you

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can go give a view and click over to the
Native Lamp podcast. But on the Saturday show of the
Joe Butden podcast, they did respond. And this is where,
instead of recapping all the things, because I think I
gave you all enough backstory, I want Barry and I,
who are podcast listeners consumers as well as I would
say ficionados. Barry has shared a lot of professional advice

(20:17):
creative advice with me over the years, but he consumes
this shit and really loves it. So from not only
a listeners standpoint, I want to hear your thoughts on
the idea that this is what's needed amongst black podcasters
because the podcast Beef quote unquote keeps the shit rolling,

(20:37):
but also from a this is America standpoint, the divide
that we have in the classism colors and there's all
these different dynamics of where we as black people divide
ourselves without the help of the whites. So, Barry, where
do you want to start this and what are your
thoughts on what's transpired over the last about week and

(20:58):
a half with all of this.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I mean, I guess the first thing is to say
this was podcasting at his best. This was WWF meets
Real Housewife meets whatever. This was, This was muss c TV.
And then somebody who's who's the patreon who saw it live?
I mean equivalent of live, uncut, unedited, not the ig
clips spell bound.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh you was into it, you like this spell bound?

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Now the opinions afterwards are totally different when what's happening.
It went not only went from zero to one hundred,
but before that. That's the only thing about this of
all the analysis, people start too late.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I can ask you, can ask you because I'm
a little triggered right now, because is it that you,
as a man like seeing other men behave wild like this?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Because when me and Wheezy have.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
A little tip the eyes is like, oh my god,
this was unbearable, So what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
But you can get up and be ready to as
long as you put it behind the paywall, get that money.
But the thing is that I know you don't want
me to talk about.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Your own easy no, no, no, because.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
If you watch This might as well have been a
reunion show for one of your housewive shows, because that's
what anybody who if you're a true fan of it,
you saw this coming. You didn't know when and why.
You thought it may have already happened behind the scenes
because Joe was quick to cut something out parks time step.

(22:36):
You know you won't see it. But I just think
over throughout this year especially, he learned how much money
he can make. You're going viral his fault or out
his choice or not paywall stuff? Why not? I mean,
he said it in the very beginning of the thing.

(22:57):
This is going out.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
This isn't potting at this point. This is a reality show.
These are characters and he's playing into each of their
strengths and weaknesses. That just is what it is.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
And I mean, I guess when you have fifty eleven
co hosts, you may as well make an ensemble fucking
reality show.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
No that nigga say saying my name, Hey Joe, what's up?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Joe. It's it's interesting to me because you also got
to realize, like when they're potting for ten hours, I
can only imagine like just when they be done, Like
sometimes you're agitated. I mean me and Wheezy sometimes will
record six episodes in the span of two days. So

(23:42):
you have things that you're dealing with in your personal life.
You have maybe a tone or an inflection or something
that bothered you three hours ago that's now like affecting
you in current time.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think it was interesting to see. I'm not mad
that it wasn't cut out.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I do absolutely hate Native land hopping in this to
shade or pretty much like push people even away from
supporting a platform like.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
This because they thought it was so bad. Because I
don't think any black platform, any black creative podcasts or
show should be talking down on another one. I will
say that.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Secondly, I don't like the divide, and I will align
myself with issus thoughts here where.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Shut up.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
But Flip Flip may not have the degrees, but he's
built a multimillion dollar business. And so when we get
into the classiest discussion or the intellectual discussion and breakdown
of black people, it was almost triggering to me because

(24:53):
of this Florida education.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Twang that I have, even though I have two degrees.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Because I discuss sex, there's a lot of people who
diminish what I'm able to accomplish and who I am
as a black woman speaking on a platform and what
I've been able to do simply because they feel like
I lack education, which is not the case. But again,
this idea that a degree puts you above someone else,

(25:19):
I didn't like the classes talk from it.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm also.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Completely against because people do it to me and weasy
with decisions, decisions a lot, watching clips and making the
assumptions of who a person is, what they are, they're characteristics,
and for all of them to acknowledge that they never
watch the show and only take it from that. It
was discussing how they talked about Flip because I know

(25:45):
that I've been discussed in that fashion and you don't
know me, you don't watch the show, Like how dare you,
as another black person get on a microphone and diminish
another black person as if we're not fighting for our
lives facts?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
The thing is, I mean, And we talked about the
pod as soon as Mark got on there, and we
were kind of and I've always expected him, like I'm
on the pod, but I definitely got introduced to a
new Mark since he's been on there.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
The Dark Hill.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
The thing is and I'm gonna say this and hopefully
he'll take it in love. My man is slick talking
and it's not it's not the big words thing. I mean,
I could keep up with anything he's talking about. The topic,
you know, me the little zingers, and I think that's
what the problem is. I mean, that's that's where this
all builds. I mean, there may be money issues that

(26:43):
behind the scene. There may be bigger issues behind the
scene that they Flip is real quick to drop hints
about stuff and that being annoying to people who are
trying to keep stuff on the loan. But if anybody
who truly watched that or even the lead up going
back two months, maybe yeah, RK be eating him alive

(27:06):
with the jokes. Eat you don't even pause, he don't
break you, no sip sip tea to hit him with
four lines and Flip be like ready to go.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I ain't gonna lie, And that's just what it is.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
But to me, to me, that's like, I mean, whether
it's what they do in Philly, I know in Florida,
John and somebody is like, you know, you gotta be
quick with the old with how you gonna talk to somebody?
I think that the issue and why even this shit
be tricky is because if you ain't listening, you ain't
gonna catch it.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
This is true, it'd be it do be like real
smooth down.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I mean sometimes it's dead and they faces.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
It is and they don't care.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
He's been so he does it so frequently. If I
was them, I would be listening to everyone. I would
be staying at Brother in the eye twenty four seven
like he was that the I picked up on that,
and that's why, and especially talking about Evelyn and all
them they capped for their brother. Yes, I'm saying that

(28:12):
Mark was the villain, but and then we kind of
talked about this, that escalation was seventy percent Mark.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
And if you're just gonna get caught up in the
educational smart intellectual thing and ignore how we got there,
that's what happened with black people all the time. They
show their arrest, but they don't show the crime.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know what this makes me think of which I
hate to the conversation around being the bigger person because
I think essentially like people would have thought or assumed
that Mark in that instance should have just been the
bigger person. I feel like and brushed it off, and
I think he did maybe act out of character for

(28:59):
and here's why, out of character well, or showed his character.
But here's my thing. Right, if this same conversation happened
in a CNN room, would he have showed his character
like that in front of a white man and so?
But by point and so to me, when we're talking
about black podcasters down in other black podcasters, let's be

(29:21):
very clear, Joe is not innocent here. Joe has talked about,
Joe has talked about, Joe has talked about a lot
of Now he is, That's exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
But if you're going to sit here and talk about
how these people can't have an opinion on Flip and
how Flip runs this business, and how Flip isn't dumb
or neanderthal or all these things, I think the same
thing can be said about how Joe has critiqued.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Nori and uh, Gillian Wallow and all of these other
black podcasters. Anyway, right now, I want to go back
to the being the bigger person, because if we're talking
about a ssentially black on black crime, I think that
the way we show up even with our peers, if
you're gonna be the bigger person in a room full
of white people, Like I don't know, I just feel

(30:10):
like there has to be some level of saying with
your chests, like I said last week, like but be
consistent across.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
The board or to me, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
This is this was given show your ass, and I
think he showed his ass. And to me, I just
think that there's more power in controlling yourself with these whites,
which clearly didn't fuck with him anyway because of whatever
anti Semitic things that they claimed he said.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And why he lost his position over there.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I just feel like the way he stood up ready
to fight, flip, you're not gonna tell me there hasn't
been things set in those rooms full of white people,
and that he responded the same way. I don't believe
that he might do that.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Not just we both watched the pot. We watch all
kind of pots, but we watched we do well. I listen,
I'll give you that where those the word sucker lad
lie on the list of everything you've ever heard on
that podcast, I'm assuming everybody, and it looked like it

(31:11):
everybody was shocked.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
That it meant that much. Yeah, the sucker part, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Mean, and you can see their faces, your boy, and that.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Was like, you know what it's given, you know what
it's given. Actually, okay, so sucker is not a crazy word.
I do want to respect Mark's marriage at this point,
but I feel like a woman back in the day
broke his.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Heart and it got back that.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
She called him a sucker to somebody and broke him.
This is all allegedly, This is all just me coming
up with a conspiracy theory as to why this work
meant so much.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
It's given. It's given that a woman in the in
the biggest.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Rejection that probably he's ever felt in life, called him
a sucker, rigger than him.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
It's definitely triggered.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Bar What is a what is a fighting word to you?
Is there a word that would make you like.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
To me spitting act? Is there a word there's the
six and stones may break my bones, but words will
never hurt me?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Bullshit?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Is there an actual word that someone could call you
that is immediate fighting words?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
As a man?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I would say me personally because I had angry issues
as a kid. As I said, the second I've done
to counseling, done the work that there's probably not a
word now, but a non black person using the N
word aggressively.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yes, yes, I know.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I would have an out about experience.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Okay, I actually as yes, And you know what in
all of my iracialists say, don't hard e r me
in a disagreement anywhere?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Okay, hold on, hold on anywhere but the airport. Someone
can get away.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I'm not gonna lie. Someone can get away with calling
me a hard e r in the airport because you're
not getting y'all no fly bro. I promise that you're
not getting me on.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
A You know that Bell got.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Hold on Barry. Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
You could hard e r me and I could see
a hundred of these up and call me pussy bitch.
I'm walking away and y'all can talk about me hard
e r me in the airport. I'm not ending up
on a no fly list. So anywhere else, though, you
getting these hands, but I'm not gonna hold you. I'm
not fighting in the airport.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I don't know what the black version of Carren is.
That's that's when you gotta go. Oh my god, I
need black girl tears. I need your west side to
just drop that single tip like Denzel.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I can't believe you called me the headwork.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
And just lie stare in the camera. Get to get
the good.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I gotta get the tears.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Okay, I can do that. I can do that, But Barry,
that's actually what I'm not gonna get up and fight.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Not at the airport. Saw the video from the nails
Neils line thing.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
We're not doing that. We're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
But yeah, I mean to me, like I said, I
think the action was overboard. I'm not mad at Joe
wanting to capitalize off of it, and and overall, I
do think Angela Rie, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillam. I'm not
sure Bacari Sellis was on this episode, but I and

(34:53):
I always say that because from the clip that I watched,
I didn't see Bakari talking. I only saw the three
of them, and it's not the clip. I did go
to the episode because I sent you to two episode.
But basically, I just think that in this creative space,
the same way I'm gonna have to know these girls
that I'm introducing at the One Music Fest on Saturday

(35:16):
on tomorrow is the same way that I think if
we're going to critique other creatives, we need to know
the full story what they could have done is watched
another episode to see the types of conversations, because to
be fair, I think Mark is doing a phenomenal job
bringing other conversations to the platform. I literally tweeted it.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I was unaware at the outrage coming.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
From those comedians going overseas and what's crazy is y'allill
hear that. I believe y'all will hear me talk about
my thoughts now that it's over. I did record an
episode speaking about it, specifically that y'all will hear on Tuesday,
so check it out. But I talked about like even
just being able to hear that, y'all will hear me?
Give Marcus Flower was again because it allowed me to

(36:01):
go down the rabbit hole of what it was. Of course,
my super producers are petty and asked if I would
ever go to Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I was almost gonna say, what you would do for
a check, but it's none.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Of my best I would do a whole lot for you.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
You know what's crazy. These bills ain't gonna pay themselves.
This is fact, and baby, I can't.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Spend this money when I go to heaven, because I'm
going to heaven I'm like Trump, but when I say
I'll do something strange for a piece of change. God.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
But the one thing on this topic that we really
haven't discussed, which is kind of there, but it's not there,
truck me. Obviously, I'm a blurred, a black nerd, got
the little stuff behind me. Do anim do all the things?
It's being an intellectual or being smart, or being nerdy
and being black, And that's kind of I know we've

(36:56):
chosen with these two to choose the intellectual side. It's
just being different being And this kind of goes to
the conversation we had with this.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Wait, you think you and I have chosen to identify
along the intellectual side.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
No, I'm saying the way people have looked at this
between Ish and Mark, that they looked at it.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
You mean flipping Mark, flipping Mark. I don't know why
I said, yes, you missed this to make it Yes, Okay,
So yes, they did decide.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
To draw that line and barrier between unfortunately educated blacks
and uneducated blacks. And I'll say that because that's literally
what it seemed to be. The fact that they even
said come back home, is that me and I listened
to it.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I was like, I mean the the one thing, and
I think you said you're going to play the club
from Joe. I mean you know that Joe rad can
go anywhere. Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I told you they can go home.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I told people they could go listen to that. Joe
went on a monologue, I entered clips. I'm not inserting
a monologue from Joe because then I feel like Ian
might come to me and want a paycheck from this episode.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
So no, I'm not gonna insit in the clip.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I like what he said, I love that he supported
and stood up for flipping that in that moment. But
I think again, it does go back to Barry what
I was talking about in terms of us constantly drawing
these lines, the fact that yes, we drew lines even
between Drake Roal hip hop artists and not real hip
hop artists. And also what I really don't like is

(38:39):
we constantly lean into the fact that we as black
people are not a monolith.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Right However, we love to align ourselves with.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
The struggle, the hood, factors of it, all of these
things that when also someone like an intellectual like an
Angela Ry or anyone who's gone to college, then shuns
the same part of okay, We're not a monolith. I
think we can all exist. You even identifying as the
black nerd. Those exist. There's black liberals, there's black conservatives.

(39:13):
It's why I've also said, don't really care for what
she says, but don't hate Candace Ouans. I know that
we like, I love that as black people we can
have all of these different voices and show that we're
not a monolith. And so when we have black people

(39:33):
acting like they're better than other black people publicly, you
know what these whites are doing.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Seeing I see this, this is what we want it easier,
like literally.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
But the thing that's so funny, I mean, like I said,
we both watched Mark Sincy been on there. I don't
know if Angela and really know him, if they are
the way they were talking about it, like every day
he's holding the Bible and reading the young kids from
guys and to make sure they're I mean, that's not
completely who he is. He has passions that way. He's

(40:09):
an activist definitely, but he's hood. He's the first one
to say it. And the thing that's so funny, knowing
the audience, knowing knowing the podcast people is what you
can do from this spectator role. They all have a
street embraced street code, a brother willing to fight over
the words suck, crazy. They all should have had an opinion,

(40:33):
and none of them said it out loud. Your girl,
MoMA was the closest one of saying that you are
as for that, because the other world, if they were
telling if this happened on another pod and they were
telling the story exactly the way they happened here, they
would have called Mark every kind of soft thing in.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
The world, because how you getting that emotional and irate
off the word sucker?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Which is why their role to which is why my theory,
y'all let's just blame women.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's what black men like to do anyways, And so
I'm leaning into that logic saying that a woman broke
that man's heart.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
My headphones again, I don't know the zoom. Can you
hear me?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
We're not doing that. We're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
All right, Well, let's get into celebrities. Say the darnis
things y'all were talking about. Kevin McCall versus Chris Brown
and if you've been under a rock, bitch, I don't
know what to tell you. Basically, Kevin McCall if you
do not know, hold on, let me let me give
you guys the correct background.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Because of course, Barry, who was born.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
In nineteen twelve, wasn't really sure about who Kevin McCall was.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
So let me get into explaining that to you. Y'all
already know I have a breakdown.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Here here we go. So Kevin McCall, for those of
you who do not know, is a producer, singer, slash writer.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I guess. Hold on, I have a breakdown of him, y'all.
Hol on, mayu mayu mayou? Okay, here we go, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Kevin McCall is best known as a singer, songwriter, and
producer associated with Chris Brown's CBE label, most notably for
co writing, producing, and being featured on Chris Brown's hit
song Deuces which did Want to gram Me? He also
was a part of the song nobs Strip and allegedly
almost thirty other Chris Brown songs. He's been in headlines

(42:41):
for his very public and past relationship with America's Next
Top Model and former Real Housewives of Atlanta star Iva Marcill,
where they share a child together. Now basically this week,
he was in the headlines twice. Now Bury this part
you probably don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
So. Earlier this week, it went viral that Bryson Tiller
gifted Chris Brown a Lamborghini for bringing him onto this
stadium tour that did end up grossing over one hundred
million dollars.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Right wait, you went to the show? Yes, when I
say he ate y'all, if you ever get the chance,
like not even on No, we're gonna talk about Chris
Brown like he's Michael Jackson right now. But if you
ever get the opportunity, because you love live music, you
love a performer, Chris Brown needs to be on your

(43:37):
bucket list. If you have not seen him perform live yet,
I've got to see him perform shit four times in
the last two years because I went two or three
times to the.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Eleven eleven tour.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
No, no, no, no, I've never paid for I've actually I've
been seeing I've been seeing Chris Brown perform live since
like twenty twelve. I've been a really really big fan
of his. I know his team. We're not cousins, but
i know his cousin and so you know, I've been around.
What I'll just say, you know, you know wow, what

(44:08):
listen well and shout out to al Prada, who used
to be his tour manager. But I've been seeing him
perform his albums and so it was amazing, like literally
being able to see him go from be like right
after right after everything happened with him and Rihanna. I
remember going to a show that he did it like
an amphitheater in Dallas, and so to see him go

(44:32):
from an amphitheater to even seeing him in an arena.
I got to see him at Barclay last year as
well as State Farm Arena, and then got to see
him at MetLife. It was like it made me feel
like how I felt when I got to see J
Cole perform at Rolling Loud in front of one hundred
thousand people. Because back in twenty ten, I paid twenty

(44:57):
dollars to skip the line after paying only like twenty
dollars for my ticket at Revolution Live in Fort Lauderdale
to see J Cole perform. Was this was this born tickets,
This was this was first off for J Cole before
now I'm technically dream bill. I traveled and paid for

(45:17):
everything J Cole. I buy his albums and everything. Chris
Brown is one of those artists I do the same
for it but basically getting back to the beef at.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Hand, let me add one comment.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Please please, please please, I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Especially even my age, and we don't have to go
through the list.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
But he's ninety six years old.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
And I study music more than I study podcasts. He
has demanded the shuffling of the top five performers of
all time of a lot of times. I'm not going
to say who where, but.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Damn he does about to make you do the list.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I was about to be like, I know you were,
and I'm not going on the regular.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Name four people better than Chris Brown after.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
But I'm not saying who's who and where's anybody you?
If you are truly a fan, you have to look
at the top five again. Yeah, okay, at least considerate.
You have to at least consider it.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Can I know who else is in that top five
that you're putting? Chris Brown was?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
The Reddit don't even know me yet. The Twitter's very black.
Twitter does not know me yet, And I don't want
this to be I know he didn't. This will not
be where I'm introduced to them.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I will say.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I'm gonna do it because it's already been done. But
I'm gonna let it be known.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
That I agree with him.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Ty Dolla Sign recently went on a podcast and oh,
I think it was Drink Champs. Actually, so ty Dolla Sign,
who was a part of also writing some top hits
by Chris Brown, literally said he had the best stadium
tour this year, after saying and I went to all

(46:59):
of them, So I do want to say that means
Ti Dallas Sign and myself believe that Chris Brown's show.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Was better than Actually I didn't go to both of them,
but was better than Kendrick Lamar and Scissors gen X,
and was better than Beyonce's country tour.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Now I'm a big Bee fan, but I'm not in
the country, so I didn't go the proclamation. That's a
full argument. We would have to get a meal and
sit down and talk.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Did you go to Renaissance? Yes, okay, so what how
would you compare.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Even starting with Kendrick. Kendrick and Siss crushed it. It
was just a different energy, Okay. It was just a
different energy. I mean from the Christ Show, even though
he did some of his ballads. He did a lot
of his ballads he did that was a long, high energy.
But the way Kendrick. I mean even if you just

(48:02):
watched the clips from Kendrick's on his world tour to
be across Europe and them, it was a different vibe.
It was just a different I mean it was both
both for hip hop. Yeah yeah, but it was just
it's like doing jazz and doing hip hop.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You can't compare these black tours.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
He really want to say, maybe didn't you just say
these black creatives can't talk about other black creatives. Well,
we gotta put the other black creatives down, crazy, because
I'm not playing any of them down. I do think
Beyonce's I went to the Renaissance Show twice and to me,
while Chris Brown is, I would say the better performer

(48:49):
from going to that, I mean different types of for sure.
But I will say nobody, no show that I've ever
been to you, I've been to a lot. The graphics
and stage design of Beyonce are untouched. This is true, bro, Beyonce.
And I'm watching these videos and these photo shoots and

(49:11):
I say, Fitch, you in about fifty eleven different looks
so like and the way it goes, and she when
I say, I've never seen production value like I saw
from Beyonce production value and listen, you know our tour, Barry.
I'll be trying to be like, can we get a
graphic designer to make our visuals look like Beyonce?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Bitch, Like what is the budget? God, damn, they look good.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Not to be nostalgic, not to tap into the given.
When Mike passed, when he was working on that big
tour and I saw the I know, they made a
little documentary movie out of it. This that that looked
like it was gonna be the greatest of all time.
But since it didn't happen, I do see renaissances. Yeah,

(50:00):
if you did. You see the Michael Jackson movie clip
of him preparing for the tour, I think this is it.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I might have to look at it, but I'll even
say I don't know if it would capture because I
did see the Renaissance trust. Yeah, but I saw the
Renaissance like documentary, right, and seeing them preparing for what
the show was and then seeing.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
What it became.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
I don't know if I could visually understand what the
show was because the behind the scenes of that Renaissance
documentary didn't encapsulate what the finished product actually ended up being.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Credit, I am saying you're gonna drop tears on the
behind the scenes. Watch his famous quote, You've heard it
a hundred times, you just didn't see it. Michael's working
with one of his music directors and he's trying to
wrestle and everything. He's like such, let us sizzle Jay
is used that verse a couple of times. It is

(50:58):
watch it. I'm just gonna say we don't watch it.
I'm gonna watch it, but we can shuffle the top five. Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Well, basically getting back to Kevin McCall and Chris Brown,
he went on the back on fig podcast Slash live
stream with Trel Smack.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Heather wasn't there, but shout out that's fam over there.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
On the West Coast, and he sat with them and
pretty much burst into tears.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I am gonna insert the clip here in case you
haven't heard it. That was the clip.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Was exciting.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Shut up, shut up, shut up.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
But basically, yeah, he cried about having to be on
b BT EBT and pretty much said that Chris Brown
owes him. Can he get twenty five thousand dollars for whatever?
Four songs apparently he's owed money from because he just
paid ninety you know he just had a ninety plus
million dollars tore. It was given pocket watching, for sure,

(51:58):
but it was also given like my nigga, get the
fuck on, Like who says it all the time? Hold on,
if you made me, go make another one. If you've
made this hit, make another one if you if you
did it, do it again to me?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yes, of course.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
However it did come out because now clips every surface
that a couple of years ago he sold his back
catalog or he sold his publishing for five hundred thousand dollars.
He talked about on a Vlad interview that he blew
millions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
He was complaining about paying child support. He's allegedly a
woman beater.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
And has also not seen his children and damn near
a decade now he does not have custody and has
not seen his children with Eva Marcile, who's the former
Real Housewives of Atlanta star And as y'all know, there
is no empathy for me with a nigga who did it.

(53:00):
Do the paperwork?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
What you want me to do? If you made these millions,
you spent it, you sold your publishing. What is old
to you, bro?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
And then to me to know that I do think
you unwell like he Also when when when when? When
bryceon Taller gifted Chris Brown O lambo, He out right
on the internet talk about some light skin bussy alluding
that Chris Brown was gay.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
He also recent tweets have resurfaced where he pretty much
said that Chris Brown and his daughter would be in
a casket like he just he just said some unforgiven ship.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Now would you interview him?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Here's the thing, I would interview damn near anyone. However, I,
and this is gonna sound problematic, do not want to
sit with an unwell person. I barely have conversations with
my own biological sister because I don't think that having

(54:13):
a conversation with someone and promoting a conversation with someone
who is unstable or unwell or maybe unmedicated or undiagnosed,
is not something that I feel right in my spirit
to do. And so, because he clearly has these manic
outbursts and episodes and things like that, unless he chooses

(54:35):
to do the path of therapy and medication like we
just heard Gucci Mane discussed on The Breakfast Club this
past week, unless he's taking steps.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
To be better, Nah I'm good.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
And the fact that he went on there crying, begging
for money is if literally, a couple days before he
didn't call that nigga gay online, Get the fuck out
of it now. I wanted to ask you, because I don't
like really talking about people. I wanted to ask you,
what was barry? What could someone do to burn a
bridge that you would not rebuild? And I asked that

(55:09):
because literally Chris Brown's response was boy like, he hold
on and I actually have what he said. Chris Brown
actually responded and said, remember this. You can't walk across
a burnt bridge. And you know what's funnier than a troll,
a broke one. I know that's right.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Ah, Now, you ain't gotta kick him. You ain't got
to kick him. Let him be down.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Oh no, no, no no. If you take it low with me,
I'm taking it to hell.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
So I love Chris Brown for that response, because, bitch,
we're not reburning this month, We're not rebuilding this bridge
that you burn, nigga.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
But if you win and you could just keep walking,
Chris got so much going on in his life this
shouldn't even make CAD.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Now, Hey, you know what it is, Chris is rich, bitch,
and just like me, I work as hard as I
do so that I can respond to be petty like
he does.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Like he's like me.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I'm not having sympathy for you, my nigga. You talked
about my kids, you talked about my life, and now
you're sitting here begging me for money. Nigga, what you
need to do is go stuck up on canned goods
because allegedly EBT and SNAP is about to end coming
November first. It's this government shut down don't come to
a close. So you need to go getting non go
get nonperishables, which with whatever is left on your balance.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Sorry, I mean, wow, wow, I mean the's people out
there in hard times.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I'm not gonna I mean, I'm only being betty to him.
I do, I do. I know there's about four point
five million households that are about to be affected with that.
But what he needs to do is go figure out
what food pantries he needs to go sign up for
instead of crying on this motherfucking pod.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Is real, that's real. I never there is no entitlement
in my world. No one in my world is entitled
to anything. I have two adulting daughters. I have their back,
but they're not absolutely entitled to anything. I just love them,
so I give and support them. And no matter who
it is to be talking about Rockefeller, whatever, was like,

(57:08):
you owe me, you owe me. I hate that I
watched the five Harbach just like you. And when Eddie
came tried to get back in the bands like bruh,
no I can sing. Nope, I'm sorry. You're on your own, Barry.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Have you ever had a bridge burnt and somebody tried
to come and walk over that bridge?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
And what did they do for the bridge to be burned?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
I'll be personal, but I won't go into I know
they heard I haven't talked to my father actively for
like ten years, but okay, that's family stuff, so I
leave it there. Okay, but I've had friends. If you
betray me, you betrayed. I'm a giver of friends. I
know you talk about the too. You support your friends, Yes,
not to me things, but if you betray me for real,

(57:56):
for real?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
What is a betrayal? Is it a lie that they
slept with an egg says that they sold from you?
What does betrayal look like?

Speaker 3 (58:03):
There was one friend who and I didn't have a lot,
but I gave for him to attendant event with us.
It was traveling the whole thing, and I paid money
to help them go. Stay Perry. I got it. When
we get back to blah blah blah, and of course
we get back any ghosty and he kind of my
face with it. And I was actually in the position
of authority at the time, so I couldn't just show

(58:25):
out because I had to protect my role and just
the reputation and everybody knew and it was kind of public,
so like tricky. So he just gonna in your face
that happy hour buying the shrimps and everything, and I was.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Like, but it was happy hour. It was only five dollars.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I see now you know you ain't paid.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Very sad Very said in Atlanta, nigga, they got crab
claws for five dollars over at the Boogoloo.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
I can't believe the South these prices.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
The food can't be real here because the way they
are pricing this food during a happy hour is unreal.
Got unlimited crab legs as much as you could eat
for dollars unlimited, nigga.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I thought I was gonna turn into a crab.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
So when you when you get my ticket to the show. Listen,
I'm gonna take it. Y'all hurt everybody time stamped this.
You know, she gets to edit it, She get to
edit and things. I'm gonna make sure we remember. At
this point, at minute one hundred, she said she got me.
I just I'm real big about my word. You can

(59:33):
talk about me. Don't like something. You know you've been
in the WHR High They cracked jokes every day every day.
Don't don't say that I said something that I didn't say,
because all I can do is stand on my words,
stand on my truth, stand on my honesty, stand on
my faith. And for you to say I said something,

(59:55):
he did something, say I broke somebody my word to
somebody that bothers. It's not calling me a sucker, I mean,
because that's them fighting words. But uh, that's my only
real thing. I mean, everybody's like playing the gay jokes.
I'm not gay, I'm at aosexual, but those little things,
the mama jokes. I mean, I was in Saint Louis,

(01:00:16):
you were raised on those things. I am dark skinned.
To me, I'm very dark skinned. This camera doesn't show
how I'm dark being black in the black community.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
This camera don't show how dark I am me. It's
kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
It doesn't show how I know you didn't took the
dimmer down. We all know, we all know you didn't
got that O. I'm like, that light looks like it's
she by candlelight just to make sure it's not too bright,
and I got a wle serpent light. But just I mean,

(01:00:52):
it's just that's my only real thing. I mean for you,
I know you you you a disrespect person. We all
we all know what it is. I don't know, just
like you talk about Mark, I don't know who disrespected
you at some point in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Everybody, but I've been I've been an underdog. I've been
fighting my whole life. My whole life, I had to fight.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And even though why you said that, what what accent
was that? That was in no way whiopy know about it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Oh my goodness, let me live. You know how bad
with accents? Okay? But any real quick, I guess to
wrap this up, I do you feel sorry for Kevin? Should?
Should you bring grace to this cookout? Should should?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I think anybody can ask for a handout. I think
anybody can ask for sisters. I think it does not
mean and you should not guilt try to guilt them,
nor should you attack them at for whatever reason they said. No,
if I had ten dollars, and I refuse to give
you your ten dollars, if they were having a contractor
speed about. You didn't pay me from this album, you

(01:02:05):
didn't pay me from the writiness, it would be one thing.
That's one blue mind. Yep, not only saved George but
kept making more. I need you to make me right,
make me whole again, though you've already paid me. Yeah,
me and not five dollars he said, he blew millions.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
He blew millions, and then it was on that pot
asking for twenty five thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Anyways, Kevin McCall, sir, go and find a therapist. That
is going to be the final word on that. And
Chris Brown, don't give that nigga a dot.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
That's not my business. If you want to give him money,
just know what's your choice. It's your grace.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Is giving that nigga a broke troll? I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I love it, brokie Christmas is coming be good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I'm I mean whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Anyways, before we got out of here, I did get
an email over to the email again if you want
to submit, and am I ignorant? If you have a
question or you feel like you are ignorant, maybe you're
not and you want me to help decide, make sure
you send that over to Selective Ignorance pod pod at
gmail dot com. That Selective ignorancepod at gmail dot com.

(01:03:24):
Now this one, I ain't gonna say your name, sis,
but this is what she had to say. And I
love that Barry is here to help me decipher this.
So if you recall last week, I read a thread
of a woman who secretly chose to have an abortion
of a baby from a man that she's with, who

(01:03:45):
she believed to be perfect, who she made the decision
without talking to him. And so this is what this
listener had to say. All right, this is our classmate here. So,
by the way, there's a lot of o's on this
to start this, so I feel like she already know
where we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
So, Mandy, I just finished listening and I had to
write in lol, because I've been in home Girl's position.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I too aborted a pregnancy from a good man who
checks off most women's checklists.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
He was considered a good catch.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
A forty year old man that has no kids and
wanted some badly, especially with me. But I just couldn't
see me spending my life with him because as good
as he was, there were things about him I just
didn't love. And I wasn't trying to create a broken home.
If I have kids, I want to have a family.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Suck.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
I aborted and never told him about it, and it
wasn't to protect him. It was because I knew he
would have begged and maybe even tried to press me
to keep it. So I don't know, are we ignorant
for that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Think so?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
But I feel like that's what it that It was
for her too. She knows he would try to convince
her otherwise, and her mind was made up. I'm not
saying it's right by no means, but sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
We have to do what's right for us.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Now, I'm just gonna read you real quick, sis, and
I'm gonna read all these bitches out here who fucking
on niggas that they don't really fully like, that they
don't want to procreate with. Do you want to know
what's ignorant fucking these motherfucker's raw? How about if you

(01:05:36):
want to take the ignorance out of it. If you
are having sex and laying down with a man that
you don't want to procreate with, bitch, wrap it up,
use a condom, or simple as much, get on birth control.
This idea that you don't want to create a book
a broken home, yet you would rather lay on a
table and go through an abortion and possibly not only

(01:05:58):
impact your body, but literally do something that you know
would affect this man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
If you are having sex.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
With a man that wants children and you don't want
children with him, the ignorant part is having sex with
him raw literally wrap it up and make the safe, respectable,
non ignorant decision and literally using some sort of barrier
and birth control. Because I do think the ignorant part

(01:06:28):
about how we are moving in today's society with the
laws that are keeping us from really choosing if we
want to have an abortion or not, especially in certain
red states, the health that we're impacting on ourselves, and
the emotional impact that we can have on others when
literally our body our choice. If you know you don't
want to have a baby with a man, the logical

(01:06:51):
thing to do would be is just to wrap it up,
simple as that Barry what are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
As you know we had this chat and those were
a son of I'm like this n word here just
went first for no reason, but uh, first and foremost
safe place. Women's choice, women's rights, your body, your choice,
hard stop. So there's no cutting this all apart and

(01:07:23):
saying something different.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
But this was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
This was triggering in so many ways. The I'm not
gonna tell him, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Has this happened to you? I mean, clearly you would
have known, but you don't tear.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
I would hope that I had a good enough reputation
and relationship with anyone I had unprotected sex with that
they would have felt comfortable having a conversation with me.
I'm not perfect. I have had unprotected sex before. I
would hope.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Father you a father, nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I mean outside of my marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It is over by the way he said, MS, ladies,
here we are.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
It's it's so touchy and I don't want to fall
into the internet traveler or you hear what he said,
I it is your choice, but letting. I always ask
more questions. We talk all the time. We have a
long thread and I'm I'm never really judging, but I'm
always asking more questions.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Can I ask you though, as you as as a
man believing in your body, your choice, and essentially a
woman making the final decision, do you then believe that
it is a conversation that should be had with the
male partner? And then what are your thoughts because both
women also express that they felt like they would be
gas lit or beg to keep a baby that they

(01:08:54):
didn't want. What what then do you have to say
to what that dynamic could look like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
If you're saying he's perfect, why do you then also
make the judgment that he would be a jerk about it,
or he would force you to do this. It's give
me the give me the right to at least give
my opinion. I don't think you. I don't think giving
giving somebody an information takes away their right to make

(01:09:22):
the final decision. I would always hope that they would
give them an honest, true opportunity to give some information.
That doesn't mean, oh, just have the baby and I'll
take care of it. I mean that, like you said,
pregnancy is a risk thing. It's not a small thing.
So they still have the right to take everything into consideration.

(01:09:43):
But to I mean, just in the two stories, it
wasn't the jerk who got them, Brandy, it wasn't. That's
the that's the part that throws me off. The perfect
guy who wants gets I mean, because we talk about it.
I don't want to get trapped. I don't want to
him trapping me out on why are you having unprotected

(01:10:04):
sets with the perfect person relevant to you? Of course, Well,
we wants to have kids and you you don't have
enough trust relationship with him to even tell him that
you're pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
What was the perfect party? Was the second? You get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Even? In this one?

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
She said that this man was a good man who
checked off most women's checklists, like he was considered a
good catch, which is which is interesting because also just
a forty year old man with no kids that wanted
her badly. I don't who wanted who wanted kids badly?
I guess he didn't really, she didn't dive into what

(01:10:51):
made him a good man. But I guess being forty
with no kids makes you eye.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
I don't know, I mean, it makes you wonder who
would she wants to have kids with, because she says
she kind of still I don't know what her decisions
are being made about when she would have a kid
or if she would have kept a kid. But yeah,
based on the scenario that she's putting forward, what was

(01:11:16):
gonna get better?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
She she did just mention she couldn't imagine spending the
rest of her life with him. But again even that, like,
so having unprotected sex with a man that like, I
just don't understand y'all the text. So yeah, I do

(01:11:41):
believe that ignorance comes from your decision to lay down
unprotected with a man that you don't see a future with,
let alone a family with, because we do know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
The consequence of that, you wouldn't be honest with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I mean, that's a good point that I mean, I
don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
To touch on abortion rights too much, just honest, open
communication between a male and a female who are having it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Who are having sex.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
It's just as simple you, I mean, And I know
it's going to be triggering to some other guys out
there and even probably some women out there. This That
is what I mean, because if I'm if it was
your boy, his right now and I was stepping into
his shoes, he would say, but if she had the
kid he had, he would have to step up it

(01:12:32):
would be no conversation, no choice, right, But in the
reverse of her wanting to do something different, no conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
No conversation is crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. It is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
I mean, that's what makes it hard for everybody who
hates the misogynists or whatever term they're using about guys
these days, is these moments that you're like, it's not
one side it out here. People on both sides are
being poor hemans.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
It's funny because you said being poor humans. We talked
about what decision was ignorant. She's not ignorant for this,
but with this decision I wanted to go into is
this is she a good person or bad person for it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Because and last week I talked about morality, and I've
also questioned it's what it means to show up as
a good person, what it means to show up as
a bad person. And I think that in terms of
what you owe someone is, especially someone you're sleeping with.
Like you said, the bare minimum is an honest conversation,

(01:13:36):
whether it be about your your your feelings, but a
lot when you choose to lay in bed and open
your legs to a man. The bare minimum is being
able to have an honest conversation about what you're doing
with your body because you're allowing them in it. And
so it does make you a kind of shitty person

(01:13:57):
to feel like you can pick and choose what things
you should about your body, especially with someone that you're
laying with.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
So let me ask you a question to put you
on the spot for a second. Make her one of
your girlfriends first off, I mean not one of them particularly,
but make her a friend. Make her one of your people.
And she's over the Martiniz or whatever y'all doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
She tells you this story, I would respond in the
same way, which is why, Like when me and Carla
had the conversation, I'm very blunt, I'm very honest. I
have a friend, it's so funny, just found out she's
six months pregnant, and I felt a way like, damn, bitch,
I'm finding out six months. And the crazy part is
we was having like a group conversation, me and a

(01:14:41):
group of girls, and I ended up talking about not
only Cardi B and her decided to have the baby
by Stapanna, how motherfucker super she was. I talked about
another friend that I know that two other friends that
got pregnant knowing a guy within three months. She knew
this guy two months and was pregnant and is choosing
to keep this baby. So she's like, the way you
were talking about them other girls, I felt like I

(01:15:02):
couldn't share because I already knew what you was gonna say,
And so I was like, yep, still feel that way, damn.
But to me, I'm very honest with how I believe
people should be showing up in these I'm gonna call
it interpersonal relationships, because a lot of times they're romantic,
they're just sexual. They don't have the layers that are

(01:15:24):
really required for I think people to have before bringing
life into this world together. So they're just very they
don't know each other. And so I would say the same,
the same thing I just said to this bitch, I
would say to a friend, like, Bro, you dead as
wrong for not telling this nigga you aborted the baby,

(01:15:45):
and mind you why.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
I was sixteen years old before that you were buried.
The only thing is I don't know that she not.
I didn't redood let her memorize it. Does she say
how long they've been together?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
That's the thing I wonder if they're even really together.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
She said that he's considered a good catch. She wants
it with me, but I can't imagine spending the rest
of my life with him. There were things about him
I just didn't love like So I just don't even
know if they were really together, if they was just fucking.
I'll be honest with you. All I know is she's
a grown ass adult. And maybe let me tell you
right now, at sixteen years old, when I got pregnant,

(01:16:22):
I had to man the fuck up and not only
let this nigga know that I was having a baby
because I was pregnant, but then I wasn't gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Have the baby.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
And to be fair, at sixteen years old, I was
guilt trip. Yes, that nigga swore up and down I
was killing his seed. He had a boy already. He
just knew I was giving him a girl. Mind you,
it's a dot and so at sixteen years old, yeah,
it was fucked up. I felt gas lit. I felt
like a terrible fucking human being. I did make a
decision that was not the same decision as the person

(01:16:54):
that I laid up with. I did get pregnant off
of the first time, fucking a nigga because my dumb
ass thought that no way I was gonna get pregnant
in the first year of me fucking I was dumb,
I was naive, But what I did was make a
grown ass, goddamn decision to lay with this man unprotected,
and when shit got fucking real, I had to have
that realize conversation with him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
So I think that for any grown ass woman.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Acting like they're just not emotionally capable to hold a
real goddamn ass adult conversation, you not adult or mature
enough to be fucking wrong, then simple.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
As that, right. I mean, once again, your body, your choice.
If you can make such a strong decision on yourself
but still not have the confidence in yourself to have
a simple conversation, that just strikes me as an.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Imbalance period, motherfucking period. Barry gonna have to do this again, y'all.
Let me know what y'all think about Barry from nineteen
twelve joining us.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
In a twenty twenty five have conversation, and everybody who
represents the Orlando School District, if you want somebody to
come forth and say.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
She does not represent us in any way with her
new words, I completely understand. I try not to take
it in because it may accidentally become part of my repertoire.
I was like, no, Barry, that wasn't a word ignored,
just skip. But it's all good. It's a good conversation.
I see some of the risk and these type of conversations,

(01:18:35):
but I see the need for some of these conversations
as well. Of going back to the mark the thing
is I mean, and actually going back to our podcast
we did with you in Ish, I said, I've always
said I can do a little ratchet, I can do
a little committy, I can do a little hip hop,
but I always think there has to be a little
room for a conversation that's going to broaden our minds

(01:18:58):
and help us as a community take the next step
or even have just a conversation that we've been uncomfortable
to have it. And I'm always.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Gonna be pro that absolutely well, Barry, thank you for
joining me on this Friday episode.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Y'all already know it's selective ignorance.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
It is self funded. I ain't making no money, y'all.
This is all me right now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
We're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
We're not doing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
See.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Y'all, Thank y'all so much for tuning in. Barry, thank
you for joining me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
We're gonna have to do this again when with stuff
get on the timeline that are like, hey, yo, I
got things to say that ain't gonna make me lose
my job.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Facts, Carrie, you know I have opinions on everything, but
I these bills.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
And guess what, whether the government shut down, whether the
world ends, you know what's not finna stop these bills.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
These bills gonna keep on coming.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Anyways, y'all, y'all, make sure you check out next week's
episode again. New episodes dropped every Tuesday and every Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Podcast Wars & Burnt Bridges feat. Barry Neal | Bonus Episode