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July 7, 2025 31 mins

Throughout history, we’ve seen societies rise and dramatically fall, but why? 

In this episode, Marten Scheffer, a Professor at Wageningen University and Research Centre and an External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, explains how social, political, and environmental factors contribute to a decrease in resilience over time, leaving previously powerful societies vulnerable to collapse.

This episode is part one of our two-part chat with Marten.

 

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This show is produced in collaboration with Wavelength Creative. Visit wavelengthcreative.com for more information.

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