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We speak to two innovators who have taken unappealing subjects that nobody wants to talk about – sewage and bugs, respectively  - and made them compelling! Hugo Tagholm is the CEO of Surfers Against Sewage, the Cornish NGO that has morphed from single-issue crusty surfers’ organisation into a slick global outfit, responsible for changing the law on toxic waste, sewage treatment and plastic pollution. Driven by his fierce passion for the ocean and environmental justice, Hugo tells us how to choose the right tool for the job; be that an inflatable turd, or carefully drafted framework on banning single use plastics. Then we catch up with Tim Cockerill, the zoologist, broadcaster, flea circus impresario and insect wrangler for many flagship nature shows. The fact that insect populations are declining dramatically should worry us all. But many people don’t notice because they don’t like them. However Tim is on a mission to give insects an image makeover. He will stop at nothing to get them in the spotlight…and we mean nothing. Warning do no listen to this episode while eating.  Socials: Lucy Siegle: https://twitter.com/lucysiegle https://www.instagram.com/theseagull Tom Mustill: https://www.instagram.com/tommustill https://twitter.com/tommustill Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices