A Dark Weekend

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good morning, folks, Welcome in and a Merry Christmas to you.
It is good to be with you on this Monday
morning in spite of the news which is very, very heavy. Unfortunately,
it was a pretty dark weekend across the country, around
the world, and look our telephone numbers eight five five
stick all we show up and continue to plow through
it anyway, as we get closer to Christmas, which is

(02:38):
the hope for all of earth, isn't it. I mean,
it was good to be in worship piss today and
remember that that's really what this holiday season is all about.
And as dark as things may be, that's the light
that we're all hopefully working toward. And so something to
keep in mind. And boy, if you're not a believer,
I hope you become one in a season like this this,
you know. I guess we'll start internationally. We've got Victoria

(03:00):
Coats coming in a little later to talk about this
and what it means exactly. Police say a father and
son were behind the mass shooting that left sixteen people dead,
including one of the gunmen, and forty people hospitalized during
a Honuka celebration at Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia. Newth
South Wales Police Commissioner Lanyon said that during a press

(03:24):
conference Monday, Australia in Australia, that a fifty year old
man and his twenty four year old son carried out
the attack. Father is dead, son in critical but stable
condition in the hospital. Father a licensed gun owner with
six legally registered firearms. All six of the firearms have
been recovered, with some being recovered at the scene, others
located and recovered while investigators execute search warrants. You know,

(03:50):
reports are that this was obviously a targeting, specifically of
Jewish folks launching their Hanuka celebrations, and that in fact
these guys were their reports are likely Islamists. I'm not
going to go out too far on a limb on

(04:10):
what we know or don't know, because I don't have
all of it in front of me, but it sounds
like that's the reporting that I read sounds like that's
what motivated it. Meanwhile, the shooting here domestically at Brown
University a little less clear. They thought they had nabbed
somebody yesterday. They took somebody of interest in custody but
released that guy. A gunman burst into a classroom at
Brown University in Rhode Island on Saturday, killing two people,

(04:33):
wounding nine others before fleeing the campus. The search dragging
on still. The Ivy League university has lifted their lockdown
early yesterday, but said they canceled all remaining classes and
exams for the rest of the fall semester. Shooting occurring
Saturday afternoon in a room in the Barras and Holly
Building where students were attending a final exam review session

(04:56):
for an economics class. The Brown University president said that
others students inside the building. We're taking final exams and
seeking quiet places to study. First shooting report at four
o'clock in the afternoon, and many students hidden their dorms.
Heavily armed police officers and protective gear running down the street.

(05:17):
Who is the gunman? Authority still searching for this person.
They said that Sunday night they had released a person
of interest they detained earlier in the day. The Providence
police chief said at a news conference last night, investigators
did not find enough evidence to charge the detained person
in connection with the attack, and they have not named
any other suspects so far. So it you know, yesterday

(05:40):
the President called a press conference to the White House
lit what he did, what they call lift a lid
on of the weekend or Sunday activities, and gathered some folks,
made some brief comments off the top here about these
two incidents. Let's go to number ninety four. Yes, pay
my respects to the people.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Unfortunately two are no longer with us Brown University, nine
injured and two are looking down on us.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
Right now from heaven.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
And likewise, in Australia, as you.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Know, that was a terrible attack.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Eleven did, twenty nine badly wounded, and that was an
antisemitic attack obviously, and that I just want to pay
my respects to everybody, I must say. In Syria also
we had an attack in Syria and we had three
great patriots terminated by bad people and not the Syrian government.

(06:43):
There was isis Syrian government foot by our side. The
new president fought by our side, but I just want
to pay my respects to the families. We also had
three injured, but two of them are already out of
the hospital.

Speaker 8 (06:57):
Once going to be okay, but we lost through.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
So it was a rough It was a rough day.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
But to Australian, the Prime Minister, to everybody that we
know so well, we get along with so well, well
have a great relationship, that's a terrible situation going on
over there, think of that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
And he went on to mention and I didn't in
the reporting in that Australian shooting incident, someone did actually
finally inject themselves in the situation. I don't know if
you saw the footage specifically of that Australian event, but
some people had a vantage point and did you see
any of the footage of these two this father son

(07:39):
duo apparently shooting from this bridge and there were people
with phones. I don't know, I guess from a decent distance.
I don't know where they were taking the footage, but
there was footage of these guys just plain as day,
standing on a bridge, just firing at people. And I
don't know where people had the cell phone footage where
they were recording it. But it was just a I mean,

(08:00):
I'm sorry to sound vulgar, but it was kind of
a Turkey shoot of sorts. These guys were just standing
there firing away. And finally somebody I guess engaged at
one point and took one of them down with his
own gun, or at least held him at bay with
his own gun. But these guys just fired away uncumbered
for some time. You see any of that footage I did.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
That's what was so scary, Chris, is that there was
nobody really rushing to kind of stop them. Everybody was.
Everything that I saw from the vantage points, as you said,
was people filming. But when they did find that guy,
the good samaritan who took the guy down, even he
let the terrorists live, like he didn't shoot and kill him.

(08:37):
And now I don't know if he didn't know maybe
the gun he didn't know how to operate it, or
if there weren't any wasn't any ammunition left. But then
the dad or whoever whoever gets back to the bridge
picks up a gun and starts firing again. Like what
took the police so long?

Speaker 9 (08:51):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
And I don't want to be callous about it. Right now.
But I will say that I saw some people, you know,
in Australai. You some commentators saying, oh, this is just
so shocking because it doesn't happen here, because and I quote,
we have the strictest gun laws in the world. I
heard a couple of people saying, through their grief, we

(09:13):
have the strictest gun laws in the world. How does
this happen? And all I kept thinking to myself was
you have the strictest gun laws in the world because
people know that they can show up and start shooting
on people like this and there's no recourse, and it
may take I mean, they may be able to carry
out an attack like this to your point ed for
minutes upon minutes upon minutes uninterrupted. Now, look, you can

(09:36):
say whatever you want about the gun culture in the
United States. I'm not even going to debate it with you.
But do you think in this day and age, with
the number of concealed carries in our midst do you
think somebody is going to be able to just openly
shoot on people for that period of time uninterrupted in
the United States in twenty twenty five. I don't think so.
I wouldn't bet on it. I mean, if I look,
if I'm just a wacko and I'm going to walk

(09:57):
into a place and start opening fire, I that's the
day I die. I presume that I'm gone. These guys
seem to be able to operate with impunity and not
really fear any kind of retaliation whatsoever, even well I'm
still alive.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
Amazingly, we've seen it in action, Chris. There's been at
least two instances in the last three years of churches
where someone walked in with a firearm, went to open fire,
and whoever was on security popped them right away. The
good guy with the guys.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, I don't you know, I don't have to
talk about it. But what I love and know about
my church is every door is watched, every door is manned,
and every guy at every door is ready to go
if need be. I'll just leave it at that, because
you know, you can't these days, you just can't. You know,
this kind of badness is sadly becoming more prolific, and

(10:46):
the weapon of choice matters. Not because, after all, we've
certainly seen stabbings, but if it's going to be guns,
you want to be out. You don't want to be
out gunned. That's the point you want people if they're
going to try something like this, You want people to
think twice about it, or at least really lives. If
they're going to do it, it's not going to take
long before they're done. These guys didn't appear to I mean,

(11:06):
they came with something like how many guns that I said,
nine registered weapons or some such thing.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
A lot.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I don't know if it was nine, but it was
quite a few. President Trump did address the citizen in
Australia who eventually approached one of these gunmen, not number
ninety five.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
So we don't get ourselves in any trouble, but they
have a person of interest at Brown And in Australia
we probably read it's been there's been a very very
brave person actually who went and attacked frontally one of
the shooters and saved a lot of lives. So very
brave person who's right now in the hospital pretty seriously wounded.

(11:47):
So great respect to that man that did that.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
So's that's what we know about these two instances at
the moment. There's not much more to report. They thought
they had a die, I am sure. I mean, they've
they've got some video of this guy at Brown kind
of casually walking down the street and around the corner.
I suspect they're probably going to close in on whoever
this is anytime soon, of course, if we get more
information on it. It strikes me very similarly as sort

(12:15):
of a Luisy Mangioni kind of a thing, right ed,
Probably a couple of days maybe whoever this guy is
on foot. I mean these days, you know, with cell
phone pinging and all the cameras everywhere, license plate tracking.
I mean, we saw this with the Charlie Kirk shooting.
They catch these guys, it's just a matter of win.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
Now. Having been through this a few times in law
enforcement officials that speak to this show, at least, I
do have confidence that yes, they're on it, because you know,
we went through Daniello Cavalcanti, Luigi Mangioni, like we I
think we can say he's got it.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, it's you know, what do you say about evil?
What do you say about darkness? It always is, it
always has been, it always will be. Until we're all
home and we pray for those families. It's a tough
time of year. It's never an easy time of year
when things like this happened particularly right now, more in
a moment. Meanwhile, one other bit of news that broke

(13:13):
out yesterday afternoon is the death of Rob Reiner and
his wife, which appears to be if People magazine reporting
is to be believed, and that of all places, it's
not even TMZ. It's People magazine is the first to
report it that I'm seeing. They're saying that I guess
his son, one of his sons, Rob Reiner's son and

(13:35):
his wife Michelle, they have three kids, and one of
them is apparently historically pretty troubled, has had trouble with drugs,
has been in and out of harmlessness. I was just
reading a little about him last night and said he
had been pretty clean and sober for a while, working
on projects with his dad. It didn't look like as
of twenty sixteen, seventeen. I was reading some interviews from

(13:57):
back then that said he was doing okay. So no,
but people are saying that Rob Reiner and his wife
Michelle were found stabbed to death in their home, and
that it was his son that's being questioned on the murders.
Reading this from The New York Times found it in
their home Sunday in Los Angeles officials say they're investigating

(14:19):
the deaths is homicides. Reiner's seventy eight. Unclear how they died,
as the New York Times, but again people saying it's
their son, which is just unthinkable if true. LA Police
Department said they're investigating and apparent homicide. News of the
deaths spread quickly, of course. Officers responded to the deaths
at the home around three point forty in the afternoon

(14:41):
West Coast time on Sunday. Police identified it as mister
Reiner's residence and said that officers discovered two bodies inside,
treating it as a homicide investigation. So I just don't
you know, Look, what do you say about that, other

(15:01):
than it's unthinkable and unimaginable if true, that this is
the hands of your own son. I mean, I think
about the brother and sister of this guy, the surviving
children of the winers. Can you imagine that kind of
thing in your own family. I can't even get my
head wrapped around it. One of your siblings kills your parents.
I don't know. I don't even know how you process that. Frankly, No,

(15:23):
it's just such a human tragedy.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Yeah, it's one of those things that when you hear
about it and when it pops up, brings into question
everything in your life, of course, but it's scary in
a different way because you never think that that could happen,
you know, until it does.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, I mean when I first heard it, I thought, well,
I mean I thought the first thing when I read it,
I thought, okay, like a carbon monoxide event. And then
you hear they're stabbed, and you think, okay, well, then
someone broke in and robbed them was the next thing.
I thought. It's tragic and awful still, but I thought, okay,
someone was robbing them at the hands of their own son.
Perhaps People Magazine is reporting. I don't have that confirmed independently,

(16:01):
but that's what People Magazine is saying, And if so,
I don't I'm not sure what you do with that.
That's that is a mental illness, obviously, and apparently a
pretty heavy drug addict at one point. I don't know
if that's still the case here. I mean, we'll know more.
I'm sure we'll learn more in the days and hours
to come, but geesh, So those are the very very

(16:23):
heavy stories here, CARDI. Let me get you quickly here
in California, I don't have a ton of time, Cardi,
but go ahead, you got about thirty seconds.

Speaker 10 (16:30):
Marry Christmas, Chris and frastready real quick. Australia, when you
disarm the people, that's never going to work out, and
when you let math migration of people that don't assimulate,
there's the problem. And I'm not ashamed to say that.
And people shouldn't say, well, I'm sorry to say that.
You should never be sorry and go on your convictions.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Thank you, yeah, thank you, Cardi. I appreciate it. No,
you can't take firearms out of the hands of people.
And yes, you're right. I mean I don't will know more,
we'll learn more about who these assassins are in Australia.
But it does it does sound like it's a migration problem. Look,
Paris has canceled their New Year's Eve parade in celebration

(17:13):
on the champsi les A because the violence is too great.
More a minute. That's a depressed town. I'll tell you
if eever there was one. And that's you know, all
the serious news set aside for a minute the non
serious news. But for people that follow uh sports, that's yesterday.
Patrick Mahomes suffers a knee injury. That's likely gonna It's

(17:34):
a torn ACL is what it sounds like. And so
Mahomes missing the playoffs for the first time in a
decade and probably now. I mean, depending on who you
listen to, torn ACL that's never good. That's like minimum
nine months recovery and who knows, maybe more so that's
going to be well into next year. So you may
be talking about a season starting next year. Fast Eddie
would know Pat Mahomes at all.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
You know what, if it's going to happen, happen now
during this season. I feel so bad, man. That is
just that's a loss for the sports world as a whole.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
If it's uh and it was yeah, ugly, ugly, ugly
season in general, it's one of those things where you
would have rather than that happened to him and he
just kind of sit down and call it the season
and be done. So eliminated from the playoffs yesterday, and
then that on top of it, it's like insult to injury.
But yes, so that's that's yeah. For people that follow sports,
that's a weird event. Ten years he's been in the

(18:29):
postseason until this one.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
I just thought, yeah, I remember seeing him for the
first time. It was actually on a business trip at
a huge sports bar and just seeing him make that,
like that crazy shovel pass and the different things that
he's done. It's like I've I've watched Patrick Mahomes from
the very beginning. I can't say that with every other
legendary quarterback that we've seen, and it's it's this one
hurts bad.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, And of course you know, now that also means
a guy like Andy Reid, who's been around forever and
they've been together for a very long time. Does you know,
Andy Reid start to consider what does the season look
like without Patrick Mahomes headed into the fall?

Speaker 7 (19:05):
You know, Andy Reid's built so many quarterbacks. I don't
know how you. I don't know how you build another
one if you, I mean, he could, he is that good.
He could do it, but I don't. Patrick Mahomes is
pretty unique.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, it's it's gonna be an interesting thing to see
how the soldier a head there in Kansas City. But anyway,
so that's that's the news there if you're a Chiefs fan.
On top of all the other serious and real news,
there's that to end your weekend. So oof eight five
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this this morning. I hadn't looked over the weekend. I've
kept it in prayer because I have no doubt. I
don't I don't even think about it with you people.
I said a couple of weeks ago to the folks
at the Angel Tree Prison Fellowship Ministry that we're going
to try to raise enough funds to get twenty six

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the Prison Fellowship people introduce children homes that have an
incarcerated parent, Children who may feel like they don't have
a whole lot going on in their lives, not a
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thinking about them this Christmas. Maybe they don't have much
of a Christmas at all. I don't know if you
grew up not having a parent around or not knowing

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if your parent was thinking about you at Christmas. If
you did, you know what that feels like. Prison Fellowship
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But you can't get two pizzas for thirty dollars for
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they get a Bible in their hands with that gift,

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and that may be the first introduction to scripture that
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are exposed to this kind of hope and this kind
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(21:41):
now hit a place where we're inside that threshold. I
wanted to get this week to a thousand kids left,
and you've done that. You really came through this week,
and I think we're at something like seventeen one hundred
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Again set the goal to take care of twenty six
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(22:04):
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Speaker 9 (22:33):
There wasn't a Christmas that went by where he didn't
hear or receive something from his dad. So that void
that he, like most kids have, my son was able
to have that void fulfilled during Christmas time because gifts
always came on behalf of his dad, and so he
knows Dad was there during the holiday season. Although he
couldn't see me that day. The gifts was a great

(22:55):
representation and filled my spot.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
So we have made this that's really easy. I hope
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and I thank you so much already for your generosity.
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All right, let me so I can say I addressed

(25:01):
it today. Is supposed to be as I understand it.
Unless this has changed, I haven't followed it closely. The
Turning Point, folks, Charlie's organization, Turning Point USA is supposed
to or was supposed to have a live stream sort
of broad based address tackling all the assertions that people

(25:23):
like Candace Owens and others have made at their organization.
Is that true?

Speaker 6 (25:27):
Ed?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
That was my understanding of it. A couple of weeks
ago they invited Candace to be a part of it.
She once said any time, anywhere, absolutely, I'll be there,
and then as soon as they said, okay, December fifteenth,
be there. We're going to address everything you had to say.
We'd love to have you, she said, oh, I can't
possibly make December fifteenth, and so she's backed out of it.
As I understand it, there's a bit of a bit

(25:49):
of a dynamic that's changed on the ground. I'll update
you on a second here. But the turning point, folks
are still going forward with that or do you know different?

Speaker 7 (25:55):
I I don't know that she's she's still I'm not
going to be it's not going to be in any
time anywhere for us to see type deal.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well I know Candace isn't. But are the turning point
people are still going to do the live stream where
they address everything that she said. That was what they
said they were going to do today, regardless of participation.
I wonder if that's still happening.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Okay, I to be determined, because there's something that has
popped up since then.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Actually, right, this is the this is the new news.
And I look, I said this yesterday on X to
Erica Kirk. She's a better Christian than me. I commend
her for doing this. I don't know that it ends
well for if I'm going to be completely truthful, because

(26:39):
I don't think you're dealing with a person of goodwill
at all in Candace owns and good will matters. By
the way, can we just stop for a minute and
say goodwill matters? Okay? Like regard, I don't care what
you think you know for real, I don't care what
the real scoop is. I don't care what real story

(26:59):
you're not being hold you think you know. I don't care.
There's something called good will, and it's lacking in this country,
and it's really lacking with people like Candace Goodwill just
being a decent person, not being wicked and nasty toward
a woman who's just lost her husband, Like I don't.

(27:22):
I can't get my head wrapped around it. And Erica,
I think, with as much dignity as she can Muster
has been going around and doing media stops and talking
about Charlie's latest book and trying to directly address this
stuff without having to say her by name, and now
posts on social media Erica Kirk announcing yesterday she intends

(27:43):
to meet with Candace Owens today in person. Candace Owens
and I have agreed that public discussions, live streams and
tweets are on hold until after this meeting. So turning point,
I guess that answers our question was scheduled to have
a big live stream today to address Cannon. Candace said
I'm not coming. Turning Points said, we're going ahead with

(28:04):
it anyway, And now Erica says, yesterday, Candace and I
are going to sit down privately, and so all tweets
are on hold until after this meeting. What do you
think of that?

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Head, I'm hoping for some kind of real resolution. I'm
hoping that it's not a show on either of their
First of.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
All, zero chance, I mean, let's just can I just
say this, Zero chance Candice Owens goes away. Zero chance,
Candice Owens shuts her fat mouth. Zero chance. Candice Owens
is of goodwill. Zero chance. Candice Owens gives even Christmas
a break. Zero chance. Zero chance. Having said that, Erica
Kirk is hopeful, I suppose what would you advise Erica

(28:44):
Kirk to do were she to ask. I'll tell you
one thing I'd advise her to do. Have a camera
rolling and Mike's open record every last minute of this raw.

Speaker 7 (28:51):
Yes, uh yeah, definitely. I mean you have to you
have to do.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
You don't sit down with this woman without recording every
last word of it. If you don't do it, I
hope she knows that anyway, shouldn't be with you. And
Merry Christmas. It's a beautiful looking sunrise this morning in Washington,
d C. Where time's a ticken. Not much left to
discuss Obamacare and whether we will have an extension of
the existing subsidies where Republicans offer something different. Of course,

(29:20):
you know, the Democrats want to do nothing but just
rubber stamp the existing subsidies for another three years. They
want to take them through Trump's term and then they
want to run on it. I mean, right, if you're
going to do the math, it's pretty good that the
Democrats say we want a three year extension on Obamacare.
Why three? I mean, like, if you're Democrats, do the
math on it. If you're Democrats, why say three? Walk

(29:41):
it out? What's three years from now presidential elections? That's
what's three years from now? I mean, if you're that
committed and you're that serious to it, why not say five?
Why not say ten? Why not say let's put this
to bed and let's subsidize insurance for everyone forever, and
let's just not put a ceiling on it if you're
serious about it. Of course they're not. They know it's

(30:03):
a political weapon, so that's why they've said three year extension.
Republicans say no, all right, Well, come the turn of
the calendar. That means people's insurance rates are going to
go up, and so will Republicans get blamed? Are they
going to be able to explain their way out of this?
Will they be able to offer something different? I mean,
with the what two weeks we have left? Two full
weeks left, and I'm not even sure they're going to

(30:23):
govern for a full two weeks if at all. I
don't know what will come of it. But I appreciate
that Erica Kirk is trying to extend goodwill here to
someone who does not deserve it. And this is again
why she's a better Christian than me. Cannice Owens. If
I'm in Erica Kirk's position, deserves no quarter, she deserves

(30:45):
no compassion, she deserves no open arms, she deserves no
private meetings. She does not deserve the dignity of being
addressed directly. She has no knowledge of the inner workings
of this organization or what's going on inside the Kirk home.
She has done nothing but bully and harass and badger
this family going through terrible grief, And now they're granting

(31:06):
her the opportunity to sit down face to face with
them today and I don't know what, I guess try
to answer her questions to the best of their ability.
Do you think she's going to come away? Folks? I
told you what this is. It's revelation addiction, and Candace
Owens has built a show on it. Then she's not alone.
Of course, I do find it interesting that Megan Kelly

(31:28):
has all of the sudden decided to weigh in at
least a little bit, certainly not by name. But I
find it interesting that all of a sudden Megan has
decided to address sort of address Candace Owens a little bit. Again,
not by name. Number eighty six. Here's Megan weighing in
on this.

Speaker 11 (31:46):
Finally, because I am a sane person who understands the law,
I also know that the FBI hello does not run
around updating its investigation and releasing the very latest on
what they found, and people who are demanding that the
FBI or DOJ do so do not know anything about

(32:07):
law enforcement. Some of us have been covering in depth
legal cases and matters and have even tried cases and
matters for years.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
That is how I have spent the.

Speaker 11 (32:19):
Past thirty years of my life plus trying cases involved
in the legal system, as a trial attorney, then a
Supreme Court correspondent covering cases civil and criminal, then as
a legal correspondent for Fox News, legal commentator for Fox News,
and ever thereafter.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
And let me tell you something. The FBI does.

Speaker 11 (32:41):
Not run around updating its information after somebody gets indicted.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
It would be extraordinary, That's right.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
So you know, Look, you don't have to be a
legal correspondent and practice law for three hundred years to
understand that. You hope she's addressing people like Canvas who
think that the FBI, like we, deserve regular briefings on
what they know when you're trying to prosecute a guy.
But I will just say I admire Erica Kirk tremendously

(33:11):
for trying to do what she's going to do today
with Candice Owans. But I know, I think we all
understand who Candiss Owans is. She has built and to
her credit, she has built a cult like following that
is rabid for her content and good for her. I mean,
it's a great business model. You know, people, what are
you jealous? Stick on? I mean, I guess jealous in

(33:33):
the sense. Look, do I wish that I had such
rapt attention from people, you know, that they were throwing
watch parties to consume this show. I mean, I guess.
But I'm not going to create fan fiction to do it.
I'm not going to drag widows and grieving families and
parents through the mud to do it. I'm not going

(33:55):
to make wild accusations that I can't prove to do it.
Look when Alex Jones comes out over the weekend and says,
Alex Jones ed, this is where we are. Alex Jones
comes out over the weekend and says, you know, I
think we all ought to calm down a little bit.
The right's getting kind of fractured.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
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and welcome in to this Monday edition of This Stagall Show.
I hope you're doing well. I hope you had a
great weekend. Looking live at some of the scenery in
New York and the surrounding areas. They're listening to the
answer Am nine seventy the answer in New York and
its surrounding areas. That's probably somewhere that looks to be

(37:08):
maybe like a Staten island or something. Maybe maybe oh,
it's a nice, well lit neighborhood out there. Fast EDDI
did some christmasing this weekend. You went up to this
is this is one of the great you know, if
you're in or around this area one of these days,
this is one of the great things you can do
with kids rights take them on this train ride. And
Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania. Those of you who don't live there

(37:28):
don't know about that place. I didn't know about it
until I lived out there. It is just one of
the great magical kind of Christmas settings. And you get
a nice snowfall dumped on this weekend that came a
little late. Did you get the snowfall while you were
riding the train, because that would have been magical.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
No, But but going through the Lee High Gorge there,
that was very there was it was already covered in
snow from the previous week so that was that was
good enough.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Tell people what this is just if you had not
been before, because this is I commended to people if
they're traveling and they want like a nice vacation getaway spot.
This is great in summer or winter. Absolutely, it's a no.
Jim Thorpe's actually called the Switzerland of America. It's one
of the top destinations in the country for this kind
of this kind of excursion. But yeah, like if you
look at the town, like the architecture is beautiful. There's

(38:16):
a lot of shops right there on Broadway, which is
the main street, and at the very bottom of the
hill because it's it's it's from a movie, this place.
You go all the way up and you know, the
Molly McGuire, the prison, the whole thing is there. But
at the bottom is a train station and they do
for all seasons, just a classic train ride, and it's

(38:38):
it's just unbelievable. You go right through the Lehigh Gorge
pretty any time of year, really, it really is. I
just I recommend it if you're traveling or you're looking
for a spot to go visit. Pennsylvania is just a
beautiful state anyway, but that particular part of the region
is just gorgeous. Jim Thorpe, that's cool. And little Eddie

(38:58):
loved it. This is a great time of year to
have a little kid. He did.

Speaker 7 (39:02):
He was actually he's never really shy, always good, always social.
He hid from Santa this time, which was strange.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, didn't like Santa. Oh what the heck, Well, you're
one of two kids growing up, like, there's no middle ground.
I don't think it's very rare with little kids. They
either can't wait to go meet Santa or they are
horrified of Santa and the Easter bunny thing that hold
eel and you say, this is the first year he's

(39:29):
decided I don't want him to do with Santa.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Yeah, and not a couple of weeks ago, like we
had a hometown tree lighting and he was just like, hey, yeah, yeah,
this is what I want for Christmas. Over on Saturday.
For some reason, he's like, eh, they put his head down,
and I'm like, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Was he like a skivy looking Santa? Did he not
look his jolly? Some of them are, you know, look
like they look like dan Akroyd and trading places Santa.
You know, like some of them look like they kind
of dragged their suit through the mud or something. Was
this a robust, healthy looking Santa. Yeah?

Speaker 7 (39:56):
Yeah, I mean the frosty the snowman was a bit
creepy looking before him, but the same Anna looked fine.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, I mean you've seen some of these kids' pictures
right where. I mean some of that, particularly some of
the old ones, but even recent like some of those
Easter bunnies in the Sanda is they like they scare me,
and I'm an adult, like I wouldn't sit on their laps, you.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Know, Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense. I yes, I've
seen them and they're funny, and I was hoping to
have that experience with him because I did take them
to see the Philly fanatic who does the like you
sit on his lap and do that. So I was
hoping for that because the first time he met the
fanatic he freaked out. Now he loves them, but so
but yeah, no, he's never been that way with Santa before.
This was the first time.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I just you know, when you think back as a kid,
I don't know if you have memories of that, but
I adored it, the whole Santa thing. I loved it
as a kid person. Didn't scare me in the least.
I loved it, couldn't wait for it. Just you remember
going to the you know, the living room, looking under
the tree, couldn't sleep, the whole bit. I have totally
fond memories of that. I don't know if every kid
does or not. Some always seem like they've just been

(40:55):
tortured by it.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Yeah, but that's strange to no.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Chris.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
My experience is the same as yours. High the build
up to Christmas, like thinking he's watching them. When you
do sit on his lap and you talk to him,
it's like well, you've got to be respectful. You better
be nice, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Beyond your best. Fe Absolutely, it's so much fun. Well
that's good. That is exciting stuff that it is, you know,
this time of year, watching little kids get excited about it,
Christmas parades and saying and all that stuff put you
in a good mood. It's hard not to be in
a good mood when you're around that, even with the
news as it is. Our telephone number is eighty five
five Stigall if you want to get in here. Axios

(41:31):
headline today Trump's article of faith economy will soar in
twenty six Well, article of faith or data? President Trump
and his advisors of an almost messianic belief the economy
will take off in the first quarter of next year,
based largely on stimulus from the one big, beautiful bill
he's signed. Stimulus. Stimulus, I bet so like that coach playoffs.

(41:57):
What do you mean stimulus? Do you mean allowing for
people to keep more of their own money come tax time?
Is that what you mean by stimulus? See when I
say stimulus, what I think of is printing money and
injecting into the system like we did during COVID. When
you allow people to keep more of their own money.
I mean, it is a stimulus, but it's a natural

(42:18):
one in that people go out and they earn, and
they keep more of their earnings and they spend it accordingly.
That is a stimulus, I guess literally, but the implication
is somehow it's artificial. Trump's bullish belief is key to
understanding why he's so reluctant to say there's an affordability crisis.
He calls that that affordability crisis is a hoax and

(42:40):
a con job, advisors say, because the problem didn't start
under him and the economy is growing steadily. Said one
Trump advisor, it's a conundrum discussing messaging with the president.
He doesn't want to say affordability. That's different than not
wanting to talk about it. Both inside and outside the
White House, Trump advisors are pinning their hopes on projections
by Scott Peasant that americans finances and outlook will improve

(43:03):
markedly during tax season. They're talking about the refund boom.
Working Americans could see as much as two thousand dollars
in returns from the IRS during tax filing season. Capital
expenditures businesses can write these off now retroactive to inauguration Day,
providing more incentives to hire and raise wages stocks. Most
strategists expect markets, which soared last year, to go even

(43:26):
higher in twenty six, largely because of AI giants that
have Trump in their pocket hardly backing them. Look, Kevin
Hassett was out there this weekend talking about the tariffs,
give me number eighty seven and how he's cutting into
the budget deficit.

Speaker 12 (43:44):
Listen, but the point is that we've got deficit going
way way down. So right now it's looking like the
deficit for the SHEERB six one hundred billion dollars lower
than it was last year.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
That really helps lower inflation.

Speaker 12 (43:58):
We've got the trade deficit cutting half from last year,
and so all these things are things that should continue
to move us towards the FED target of two percent.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
President Trump echoing that yesterday at the White House, give
me number ninety six.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
Without the November fifth election, you would have had a
president that didn't have the courage to use tariffs the
way they should be used. And because of the tariffs
we've taken in more than eighteen think of this, eighteen
trillion dollars has never been anything like it. As an example,
the previous administration, Sleepy Joe Biden took in less than

(44:36):
one trillion in four years. We took in more than
eighteen trillion.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
In ten months.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
I'd say that's pretty good, right, I'd say that's very good.
And if you go back, if you go back into history,
there's never been a country that's taken in more than
three trillion dollars.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You know what I saw gas pat this weekend in
my neck of the woods. Dollars and forty seven cents
a gallum ed. What is it in your neighborhood right now?

Speaker 7 (45:05):
Right now, we're sitting in around two ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Two ninety nine, and of course a great deal of
that is Pennsylvania gas tax. You got to remember that's
at least thirty cents of it we know.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Ye signed by a Republican governor, increased by the Democrats.
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
So when you know those of you who are listening,
you're like, what two forty seven? Remember it depends on
where you live, and if you are governed by a
bunch of Democrats, that's another matter. But the fact of
the matter is there are people in Florida and Texas
right now that are in the one eighties a galluton. Okay,
so gas prices are coming down. There is more disposes.

(45:39):
I remember not too long ago. I mean a year ago.
Gas was for me where I just paid that two
forty seven gas was something like three fifteen, three twenty,
and I remember it getting up as high as I mean,
look to fill my truck. At one point, I remember
it was one hundred and fifty dollars a fillip. That's
what I remember. It was at its worst, and that
was just a couple of years ago. Go, you know,

(46:01):
this weekend it was seventy five dollars. So do the
math on that. Every time you fill up right now,
I'm pocketing seventy five bucks. I don't know about you,
but if you're not spending seventy five bucks every couple
of weeks, that's appreciable. That matters may not always look
like that when you're shopping at the grocery store. But
Besson has put his chips in. He said that come

(46:25):
Q one, Q two, we're going to see some really
explosive growth. Hassets out. These guys are either going to
look like total fools or they know exactly where this
is headed. And I mean Jerome Powell too late. Jerome Palell,
remember what he said, they lowered interest rates and said,
we think things are turning around. We think things are
looking good. That's why we're doing it. Even he who
hates Trump's guts and Trump can't wait to get rid

(46:47):
of had to come out and say looks pretty good. Also,
President Trump yesterday rolled out and I'll have this for
you coming up in just a minute, a promise that
he's going to deliver on the fraud of election twenty twenty,
and I suppose subsequent elections after that. But you know,

(47:07):
people that I don't know feel like Pam Bondi and
DJ aren't doing enough. I've always said there can't be
anybody more motivated to get to the bottom of a
great deal than Donald Trump himself. A man who was
nearly murdered, a man whose home was ransacked and raided
and his family's personal effects gone through, and a man who, yeah,
I think it's pretty clear now if you don't want

(47:29):
to say, was cheated out of the twenty twenty election,
we saw a lot of cheating in twenty twenty. I
don't think he's rested a minute on this, and yesterday
he kind of alluded to that fact. We'll get into
that coming up. And depending on where you are in
the region. Philadelphia saw quite a bit of snow, anywhere
from six to nine inches roughly in and around southeastern Pennsylvania.

(47:51):
Beautiful look at Philadelphia as the sun comes up this morning,
some snow blanketing the ground. Telephone number eighty five five St. Gaul.
If you want to get in here today, I'm going
to Keith in Saint Louis, Keith. I'm glad to have
you this morning. How are you welcome in? Merry Christmas?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (48:09):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I used to play sandagloss in them all. We described it.
It's not one of the others. The boat when the
kid would get like thirty feet from you. Yeah, I
was in like a a saying, a structure with a
fence around it, and I was on a crown a
throne like and the sad. The kid would see you

(48:31):
from a distance, he'd get excited, but when he got
close to you, he got all freaky and crazy and scared.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
And did they ever come out of it? Or once
a kid was freaked out, they never.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Came to the problem would be the problem? Sometimes you
put the child up on your knee or something, and
the child would get kind of nutty and crazy. And
I've had a hold on to children because I didn't
want him to die. They've fallen off my knee and go,
oh no, how.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Long did you do it? How long? How many years
did you? Were you? Santa?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
That was ten years ago? I did that. I did
it in two separate years.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Was that enough? Like you just had your fill of
it or you just did it for the fun of it, or.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Well, the problem was you have to be careful with
I got in trouble for touching the child in the
below the shoulder and see you now.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
That's I didn't even think about that. I bet nowadays
that's something you got to consider every move you make,
every look everything now right, I'm spelling. In fact, now
that you say it, I'm kind of surprised they even
allow Santa anymore to visit them all wherever.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah, because well, like I was telling you that the
child was, the child would get on your knee and
you hold it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I mean, if a parent comes and puts them there, right,
it is like it's not like you went up and
grabbed them. I mean the parent sits them there.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
For heaven sakes, the parent was normally away from you.
I had, I had like two assistants. They bring the
child to me. It brings up Ralphie and the Christmas story.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
Ho ho ho.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Thank you Keith, glad you called Merry Christmas. I have
a friend named Tommy Avaloni. Might have to bring him in.
Tommy did a documentary years ago. Uh and I can't remember.
I wish I could remember who was in it. One
of the there was a wrestler in it, Fast Eddy.
He did a whole documentary on guys that play Santa
year round. Mick Mick, who's the wrestler Mick Foley whoa

(50:35):
I think either did Santa or was Santa or but
he was featured in that film. But but Tommy did
this fascinating documentary on guys whose lives it is all
year long, are to to get ready for the big
Christmas season where they're Santa, and they like they live
it out. It's like there, you know how some guys
go to Comic Con or whatever that whole there's a
whole world where guys just do nothing but Santa year round.

(50:57):
That's their thing.

Speaker 7 (50:58):
I learned something new every single day Chris, No idea
that they did that, No idea. There was a documentary
about it. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
It's true, of course true. Tommy did I think it's
called I Am Santa Claus. You can look it up.
Give me number ninety seven. Here, PAULI, this is President
Trump talking about the election of twenty twenty. He said,
we are sitting on a pile of evidence and we're
getting ready to release it soon. Here we go. That's all.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
They're good at cheating in elections, very good at cheating.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
They're professionals. Are cheating.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Because we won in twenty sixteen by a lot. The
election was rigged. In twenty twenty, we have all the ammunition,
all the stuff, and you'll see it come out. It's
coming out in truckloads. And California's election New York also,
but California, more than any other place, is so rigged.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It's such a rigged election.

Speaker 8 (51:45):
You know, we won the Hispanic vote.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
So a lot of people say Republican wouldn't win California.

Speaker 8 (51:49):
But I won the Hispanic vote.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I won in Miami. Think of that. In Miami, I
won the Hispanic vote.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
Along the Texas border, I won every single or town
touching the Texas border, and they're eighty five to ninety Hispanic.
We won the Hispanic vote if the vote in California
was legitimate, which is not. They have thirty eight million ballots.
Everything is mail in voting. They mail out thirty eight

(52:19):
million ballots and they come in. Where the hell do
they go and where do they come from? It's a
rigged election in California because we would win California.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Buy a lot.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
And again they feel they have the.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Advantage with Hispanic.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
They down't.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Okay, So the question is, and I'm really intrigued by this,
President Trump says they have a mountain of evidence and
they're going to release it. Ed, what do you do
with it? If you're the RNC, if you're the Republican Party,
if you're President Trump, and more importantly, does the electric
respond to it?

Speaker 7 (52:47):
Now, you've got to win the local elections to do
something about it, you really do. There's nothing else you
can do. So I don't know. I don't know what
the answer to that.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
People want evident. Well, here's what you need, paging Pambondi.
You need prosecutions. First of all, they've got evidence of
criminality in elections. Let's prosecute. Well, it is no secret.
Even though I was bragging on the fact that we
are seeing in certain parts of the country gases now
dipped below two dollars a gallon. Some are seeing gasoline
in something like the dollar eighty dollars ninety range. Mine

(53:20):
was as inexpensive over the weekend as I've seen it
yet to forty seven. So that's a great development. But
the fact of the matter is, in terms of energy costs,
home heating costs, there's still a lot to be done there.
Daniel Turner our great friend, founder and executive director of
Power the Future, Powerthefuture dot com, and Daniel, first of all,
go to see you.

Speaker 13 (53:39):
Merry Christmas. It's always great to be on with you. Chris,
thank you for having me this morning.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Of course, the gasoline story is a good story, probably
not getting a lot of attention that's coming down. But
the fact of the matter is, and what's so funny
to me, we've gone from in less than a decade,
you know, talk of how we're all warming the planet
to we need more power captain, and it's all because
big tech wants it. Now that big tech and the
left who are politically they're typically of the left now

(54:07):
that they want lots of energy. It seems that all
of the talk of alternative energy has subsumed and now
it's nuclear. Whatever we got, we got a power AI
and we got to power it quick. You notice that
I have.

Speaker 13 (54:21):
And it's really concerning, even just taking the AI conversation
off the table, right, what does the future of AI
look like? What does it mean for jobs, the economy,
all of that aside. We know we need this technology,
and we know we're building these data centers very very quickly,
and that these data centers consume a tremendous amount of power.
And what's concerning for me is that, for example, in

(54:43):
the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, when Microsoft announced with Governor
Shapiro many months ago they were going to reopen reactor
too at Three Mile Island because Microsoft was building data centers,
and they said, we'll repurpose it, we'll retrofit it, and
we'll bring this online. And everyone applaud and said this
is great, and I said it is, But wouldn't it

(55:04):
be great if they just opened a reactor to just
for the people of Pennsylvania to have cheap electricity.

Speaker 8 (55:09):
So my concern is.

Speaker 13 (55:10):
We're headed towards this kind of level of corporatism where
your elected officials look at you and your skyrocket electricity
prices up forty percent since Biden during the Biden years, Right,
President Trump's trying to bring it down, but it's going
to take a lot. But they look at sky high
electricity prices and say, yeah, that's just too bad. Let's
blame climate change or Vladimir Putin. Then Microsoft comes along

(55:34):
and they're like, boom, whatever you guys want, you get it.
And that level of corporatism in the energy space has
me deeply concerned.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, I hear that, and I have heard a lot
of people say that President Trump's push to kind of
galvanize a federalization of AI management or monitoring or governance
as opposed to allowing the States to weigh in on
it has got a lot of people at odds with
people like Bron De Santis, for instance, and others. You know,

(56:03):
And I've heard Trump critics who are actually fans of
his say that the solidation of big tech around AI
is I don't know if you want to call it monopolistic,
but that seems to be the ongoing worry. I think
President Trump's point of view is, Listen, we're in a race,
a massive race, and if we don't win it, we're screwed.

(56:24):
So I think his instinct is let's make this as
little red tape as possible. But in the offing, it
raises your concern, right that the consolidation of power is
too great.

Speaker 13 (56:36):
It is and you know this this is also you
know you feel bad because the lots landed at the
feet of President Trump. And so when we look at
this race of Ai and say, hey, we have to
beat the Chinese. The Chinese are bad. I agree, they
will use AI for bad I agree. So we have
to beat them. But you know, we do this in
a lot of areas. We do this in all across

(56:56):
South America, where we say, look, we have to have
oil in venezuel American oil interests in Venezuela.

Speaker 8 (57:02):
Because if we don't do it, the Chinese.

Speaker 13 (57:04):
Hey, we have to have a military off the coast
of Japan because if we don't, the Chinese will. And
so it's frustrating to look at thirty years of lousy
China policy. I mean, America built communist China, right, we
traded with them, We gave the most favored nation status
going back from the early nineties with Bill Clinton, and
now we've created our number one enemy, and now our

(57:26):
policies seem to be enacted for the sole purpose of
containing communism and communist China. And I just find that
really frustrating, knowing that since I was in high school, right,
we've been doing things now to stop China from doing it.
I would rather, like all evil regimes, including Islamic terrorism,

(57:47):
I'd rather just eradicate them completely. I'd rather just bankrupt
in the case of China, just bankrupt them.

Speaker 8 (57:52):
You know.

Speaker 13 (57:52):
Yes, you want your flat screens and your cheap Nike sneakers.
I'd rather you can live without them, right, I'd rather
we just not deal with this country and drive them
back into obscurity, rather than have to create policies that
impact American people for the sole purpose of we have
to beat the Chinese at it.

Speaker 8 (58:11):
It's just driving me crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, no, I hear you. And we operate under the
assumption that we must now do business with them. And
I do think, you know, the tariff talk is an
interesting one because I do think President Trump is trying
to onshore work fast, but you know, on shoring companies
building factories that doesn't happen fast. You know, again he's

(58:35):
trying to turn a battleship on a dime here and
that's not going to happen. But we'll see economically what happens.
There's a piece here at the Federalist and you're quoted
in it a data centers are wreaking havoc on local communities.
What specifically does that mean? In fact, I know in
my backyard there are two different data centers. And one
of the guys who's helping build it said to me

(58:55):
something that you've said on this show repeatedly. He said, Man,
I'm telling you you want to put your money into
put it into small nuclear reactors and nuclear power facilities,
because they're going to need every bit of that and
then some to power these things as fast as we're
building them.

Speaker 13 (59:10):
Absolutely, and I should almost think it's a requirement, a
prerequisite for your construction permits is that you are attaching
these things at the hip to some sort of modular
nuclear reactor or small reactor, or you're building a coal
or natural gas plant alongside of it. Because what I
mean by that article at the Federalists, and thank you

(59:31):
very much for quoting it, we're putting these things in
kind of suburbia and more towards rural America.

Speaker 8 (59:38):
Because these data centers are several million.

Speaker 13 (59:40):
Square feet, they're building them where land is cheap, but
also close enough to the urban centers you know that
are using all this technology that are online. In the
case of the Commonwealth of Virginia where I live, you know,
I'm about two hours outside of DC, and when I
drive to DC, I pass over a third of the
nations that centers. They're all in the Northern Virginia area.

(01:00:03):
And what it means is that, yes, the footprint of
land is a problem, but the strain on the grid
is a huge problem. And now it's just a part
of life to say, hey, look, we built all these
data centers, our electricity rates are up twenty five, thirty
forty percent. When we start having power problems, they get
priority now over regular homes. There's also water issues, which

(01:00:27):
we won't hardly ever talk about because these things are
enormous consumers of water. And so again we have these
elected officials that ribbon cutting ceremonies and they want to
stand shoulder to shoulder with Mark Zuckerberg and cut the
ribbon and be like I brought this here and look
at me bring in jobs to the community. But when
this thing is up and running, your average data center

(01:00:48):
consumes the equivalent of water and electricity of one hundred
thousand homes. So ask yourself, if in your little town
they're building a data center, would you let them build
one hundred thousand homes without any plan for more water
or more power. No, But we do this with data centers,
and we build dozens of them, it seems every couple of.

Speaker 8 (01:01:07):
Months, and so that's my concern going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I'm literally near me watching two of them being built
across the highway from one another. Meta came in to
do one, Google's doing one. They're literally across a highway
expanse from one another on acres and acres of land.
And I have no idea, as you say, what that
means for power draw, but it's huge, and so you
would say, elected officials and voters really need to understand

(01:01:32):
when these things pop up, it's not the happy time
story that everybody gets a job and commerce is coming
into the community. It's actually a real draw. Would you
call it a net negative?

Speaker 13 (01:01:43):
You know, for me as a landowner, as a farmer
in rural Virginia. I don't see what the upside has been.
And I like our current governor and he's led this charge.
But a very humble conversation with Governor Younkin is to say,
you talk about how many of these we've built, and okay,
maybe we've had some construction jobs, and yes that is good,

(01:02:03):
But you talk about the tax revenue. We're bringing in
so much tax revenue. My taxes haven't gone down, right,
So where's the tax revenue? It just goes to the government.
It goes to the state somehow. My electricity bill is
up thirty five forty percent. My water every ask any
farmer in our area about your ponds, about your creeks.

(01:02:24):
Our water tables are down drastically in the last couple
of years.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
And you say, so where do I benefit?

Speaker 13 (01:02:32):
Like, how has my life been made better because I'm
building this? And quite frankly, if my life isn't better,
then why the hell are we doing it? And I
feel like that's just not data centers, but it's everything.
Every time our elected officials want the ribbon cutting and
they want the grandiose ceremony of expansion, how has it
been better?

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:02:50):
The globalists tried this every time they said, we're, you know,
building this new facility in Mexico.

Speaker 8 (01:02:57):
How has this made my life better?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:02:58):
How is globalism going to China? How has the rise
of China made my life better?

Speaker 8 (01:03:03):
Cheap crap? Right?

Speaker 13 (01:03:04):
I mean, I guess you could say that somehow it's
more affordable, But all we talk about these days is
the affordability crisis. So so, how has my life been
so much better from these data centers going up?

Speaker 8 (01:03:17):
No one can point to it. Yeah, you can use
your phone in Google. Cool crap. Yeah, Okay, you know
you have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
It's just like thirty seconds, Daniel, because you know I
read there are many people I think who feel the
way you do. And with President Trump in for the
year that he's been in, you know, there's still a
Republican Congress you can't ignore. But you know, I hear
that there's the magabase splintering, they're dissatisfied or what have you?
You are aware with just like twenty seconds. I'm sorry
to make you summarize like that.

Speaker 13 (01:03:45):
Oh, I'm pleased to support of the president. I haven't
deviated an announce but these are larger philosophical conversations that
have to happen, and like I said, I feel bad
that all of this has landed at the feet of
Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
You go back to that Oprah Winfrey and for he
did in the eighties. He knew that we were headed
in a bad direction. It just took him thirty years
to get power to fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Daniel, thank you, Merry Christmas to you. I always appreciate
your candor wit a minute, rand Paul said something interesting
this weekend in number ninety one, if you would please
Paul on Meet the Press.

Speaker 14 (01:04:21):
You know it's his escalation on both sides. You know
both sides are doing it, and so it's one side
going to sit quietly and not do it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
You can argue who started it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
But I do think this, and this is.

Speaker 14 (01:04:31):
On the negative aspect of both parties doing this. I
think that it's going to leave to more civil tension
and possibly more violence in our country. Because think about it,
if thirty five percent of Texas is Democrat, solidly Democrat,
and they have zero representation or like in my state,
we're a very Republican state, but we have one Democrat

(01:04:52):
area in Louisville, and we have a Democrat congressman. We
can carve up Louisville and get rid of that one congressman.
But how does that make Democrats feel?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I think it makes them feel.

Speaker 14 (01:05:02):
Like they're not represented, and so I don't know. I
think it's bad. But it's really not one party the
other doing it. It's both parties have been doing it
since the beginning of time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
He sighed. Rand Paul is concerned about the feelings of Democrats.
Is that what I just heard? Yes, he's correct. Democrats
have been doing it for decades. And you know what
it's led to. It's led to people who don't want
to live under government tyranny and live under government dictatorships

(01:05:42):
led by Democrats and high taxes and high crime and
the like. It's led to people like me packing their
things and getting the hell out and moving to places
that aren't governed that way you have, you know, God
bless America. That's the thing. If Democrats feel so miserable
and misrepresented in Texas, pack your things and go move

(01:06:04):
to the Northeast. And you say, well, I can't do that,
I can't uproot my life. I like my life here, Well,
then maybe you ought to talk to yourself about why
it is you like your life there. It ain't Democrat
policies right. I like it safe here, I like it
cheap here. Oh you do. Who's running things? Not the
Democrats you vote for. The Democrats you vote for are

(01:06:28):
running the place that you left. You now live in
Florida or Texas or Kentucky or Tennessee. You still want
to keep voting Democrat though? Do you look around. You
moved here because it was cheaper and safer and a
better place to raise a family. And now Ran Paul
says we've got to consider their unhappiness because they don't
get to vote Democrat. I would simply say, if you're

(01:06:50):
unhappy in a Republican run state, pack your things and
go move to the beautiful blue state of Connecticut. Too expensive.
Well that's Democrats. It's not like you don't have the
freedom to go congregate with other Democrats. Senator Paul, what
is this business? They're going to be unhappy if they
don't have Democrat representation. I think they'll be happy become

(01:07:13):
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There's a great deal that happened, of course over the weekend.
We covered it off the top of the show. I
want to go to Australia first and bring in our

(01:13:25):
friend Victoria Coach. She's not in Australia, but she certainly
has plenty to say about this. Victoria has done just
wonderful and important and impressive work throughout her career. She's
now with the Heritage Foundation in national security and foreign policy.
She served in that role in the Trump administration in
the first and she joins us this morning. Victoria. Merry
Christmas to you, and thanks for your time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Merry Christmas, Chris, and thanks for doing what you're doing
with the Angel Tree Group. I'm going to go on
and donate right after this hit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Oh thank you, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
I know they do. They do wonderful work. That's sweet
of you. This situation in Australia, I don't know what
to add to it other than it does look to
be obviously a very specific terrorist attack. And I had
a caller earlier say, this is what a lack of
assimilation an immigration policy and the insane gun policy gets you.

(01:14:14):
That's a recipe for disaster in Australia. How do you
assess what happened there?

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
This really is a witch's brew of bad things that
have happened. And as we learn more about the father
and son and just think. Let that sink in for
a minute, Chris, A father and son decided on the
first day of Hanukkah this is what they were going
to do, and there was no cooler head to prevail.
But it sounds to me from their ages that the
father came in shortly after nine to eleven when there
were a lot of folks bending over backwards to make

(01:14:42):
sure that no Muslims were inconvenienced after that massive terrorist
attack on the United States, and then he had his
son in Australia. The son is fully Australian citizen, and
then the son was in touch with Isis folk in
twenty eighteen twenty nineteen timeframe. Nothing was done, They knew
they had these guns, nothing was done, and then you

(01:15:04):
have this horrific shooting. Because for the last two years,
since October seventh, it has been a completely permissive atmosphere
in Australia for anti Semites. You've had massive demonstrations by
the Sydney Opera House, that symbol of freedom and culture,
screaming to f the Jews, screaming get them back in ovens,
screaming for the Antifada, for the globalization of the Antevada,

(01:15:27):
which is what we're certainly seeing here. And so if
you permit this stuff, if you don't crack down on it,
if you don't say it's unacceptable, and you don't take
really very strong measures to protect your Jewish community in
a way, you can say this is pretty much inevitable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Wow, And then you know, one wonders as well when
you're talking about assimilation and you're talking about foreign policy.
We see in Paris right now they've canceled as I
understand that their New Year's Eve celebration they traditionally have,
and they've canceled it because they think violence, there's going

(01:16:04):
to be violence. They're too nervous about pending violence. Is
that what you're hearing is?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Yes, it's all across Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
We've had incidents in Germany at Christmas markets, Paris for
New Year's Eve, attack on Hanukkah celebration in Belgium. So
these are all the countries though Chris that have bent
over backwards to accommodate the Palestinians since October seventh. They've
rewarded them by recognizing some non existent Palestinian state at

(01:16:33):
the United Nations, which is essentially saying the tactics that
you've used on October seventh are legitimate.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
They will work for you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
They will get you to your stated political end, which
is some kind of state in the area that is
now Israel. So that's what this gets you. It doesn't
get you peace, you're not appeasing them. What it gets
you are more attacks. Because this has nothing to do
with the Palestinians. This has to do with hating the West,
hating Jews first and foremost. Yes, who's next the Christians?

Speaker 8 (01:17:02):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
And meanwhile in Syria, I know President Trump addressed this.
There were three National guardsmen I believe or not well
on National Guard, but they were serving from an Iowa
Guard unit I believe. In Syria. What happened there this weekend, Yes, this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Was really an illustration of why President Trump has rightly
been cautious about our mission in Sirius, Syria from the
get go. His feeling has been that, you know, given
the military support we've provided with Israel, this is essentially
their backyard. They know it better than we, and they
can take care of it. And Israel has certainly shown
in the last year that they're fully capable of doing that,

(01:17:40):
of targeting the ISIS folks, the al Qaeda folks, Jabadan Neusra.
There's a whole alphabet suit of bad guys in southern
Syria that they can get after. Now, you know, the
deployment of a thousand of our guys has been going
on now for I believe close to fifteen years, if
not longer, and Mike can certain about them has always

(01:18:01):
been that they're big enough to be a target, but
not enough to really defend themselves, making us reliant on
local partners, some of whom have been strong counter terrorism partners,
have other questionable aspects to their histories. I think we
need a clearly stated policy on Syria and a clearly
stated mission for these these soldiers if we're going to

(01:18:23):
leave them there and then make sure that they can
protect themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
And then well, a couple of things I want to
get to help me with Venezuela. The seizure of this
oil tanker, that's extraordinary. I don't know that I can
remember ever something like that happening. What is President Trump's
end game? Do you believe with Venezuela? What's going on there?
What drives it? And where do you think this goes?

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
No, it's why of the sanctions we have on Venezuela
is so important because this is a legal act under
our sanctions regime, and we actually did it a couple
of times during the first Trump term against Iranian tankers.

Speaker 8 (01:19:00):
And what we.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Did was we sold those cargoes and put the proceeds
into an ESCRO fund for the Iranian people, so that
can be done so that this money then is at
would be at the service of a legitimate Venezuela government
if we do get rid of Maduro. And I think
this is really the strongest tool the president can deploy here.

(01:19:21):
It's not an act of war by any stretch of
the imagination. I've consulted with our legal eagles at Heritage
and they all to a man come out and say, no,
it's not. This is legitimate under our sanctions regime. And
it then provides a source of Rather than letting Maduro
exploit those proceeds, you're saving those for the Venezuelan people
and their legitimate government which they tried to elect a

(01:19:44):
year ago and it was stolen by Maduro. So I
saw some very interesting things. There's a fantastic X feed
called tanker Trackers. If you're an oil geek like I am,
and you like to watch where all these ships are
running around the world. They reported this morning that we're
starting to I see some tankers on route to Venezuela
from countries like India and China who probably shouldn't be

(01:20:05):
buying a lot of Venezuela and oil. They're seeing those
turn around and maybe head to the Middle East for cargoes.
We would also happily sell them United States product as
convenient for them. But that's really the way you get
rid of Maduro is you completely starve him funds.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Interesting, so that's what he's trying to do, is effectively
to starve him out, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I mean, obviously, we have this massive military build up
in the Caribbean, biggest sense of rock, so that's kind
of sobering, and enormous amounts of firepower there. So Madua
knows that we're serious. But at the same time, the
president always prefers to handle these things through non violent means,
and so he's creating another avenue here for that to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
No reason to believe ultimately that it's a boots on
the ground thing, right, although I think he's kind of
flirted with that I mean verbally, but I don't would
he actually do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I don't know that we would need them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
And what I've heard that if there are strikes, they
would be on the narco terrorists, on their facilities and
the places that are producing the drugs, and then the
militants that are moving them around, and then the means
both on the ground and on the sea that they
transport them.

Speaker 8 (01:21:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
No small number of things to cover. That's why we've
brought in Victoria Coats, who watches all of these boiling pots.
We're so grateful for your insights. Victoria. Thank you. If
we don't talk to you beforehand, I hope you have
a very merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Well, thank you, Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Always great to be with you, and merry Christmas to
all your listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Moren a minute, Hey, good to be with you and
merry Christmas. Looking at Key West, Florida this morning. Thrilled
to have you here wherever you might be. Our telephone
number is eighty five to five Stigall. You can catch
us online at Chrisstigall dot com. Still to come, our
friend Aaron Maguire, who's busting at the seams because her
Buffalo bills continue their winning ways. I don't know that

(01:21:59):
was a shootout with New England. The Patriots are coming
back all of a sudden, How fast Eddy look like
an interesting team again? The Patriots.

Speaker 7 (01:22:05):
Patriots are surprising the heck out of me. I didn't
realize because I have Hunter Henry on my fantasy team
and he just no no production throughout the year. And
Tom Brady called him the greatest tight end in New
England history on one of the Fox broadcasts. I'm like,
holy crap, Now he's starting to produce.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
They're coming on. Man. Did you see the Husk visited
the Eagles sideline yesterday?

Speaker 7 (01:22:27):
He did the cobirth.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
He got to say, well he did you have a seat?
Mister President? Joe Biden is who we're talking about, folks,
those of you who don't know, we've lovingly referred to
him as the Husk around here. Joe Biden visited the
Eagles sideline. He was wearing a Super Bowl twenty three
hat or a thirty three what was it super Anyway,

(01:22:53):
the hat he was wearing ed he was wearing an
Eagles hat, but he was wearing the Eagles hat from
the Super Bowl, which is what number was it? Versus
the Chiefs that the Chiefs ultimately won.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
Oh fifty seven, he was wearing that super Bowl hat
on the Eagles side.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
I saw a photo of it today. Is that the
one you wear?

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Heck, no, you can't get the you can't get the
man just a regular Eagles hat.

Speaker 7 (01:23:17):
No, we're a championship one. They're defending champs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Why not he wore the wrong one, Eddie.

Speaker 7 (01:23:23):
That's like in twenty seventeen, I bought a Division Champs
shirt because I knew that we just weren't going to
win the super Bowl, and then in twenty eighteen we did.
I was like, God, division sho. I just saw I
wear that Division Champs all the time as a sign
of good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
President Biden visiting the Eagles and walking the sidelines. And
just some added just for your edification if you cared
the presidential library. You know, all these presidents raised funds
to build presidential libraries. He's raised almost a minuscule amount,
barely registering a small fraction of the money needed to
even begin construction of a presidential library, leaving uncertainty about

(01:24:01):
when a library might even be built and its viability
as a standalone project at all. That sounds about right.
First president of American history who just Obama's is bloated
and ugly and still way behind schedule. Biden's may not
even be funded or built at all. Boy, if ever,
there were just two symbols of two presidencies, just long, excruciating,

(01:24:26):
expensive and ugly and still not complete, the Obama presidency,
then the Biden presidency non existent, nobody particularly interested, nobody's
really sure it's even real or going to happen at all.
That's about right. The Joe Biden Presidential Library may not
even get built. It's almost kind of depressing in its

(01:24:47):
own way. And then there's Cackle Bridges, his vice president,
the woman that would be president today had she been successful.
Can you imagine Kamala Harris as president today? Can you
imagine it? She isn't planning to go jen into that
good Night, writes Axios. This week, the former vice president
made clear to potential twenty twenty eight rivals that she's
working to keep another White House campaign viable. Despite worries

(01:25:12):
from party leaders and donors she can't win, Harris remains
at or near the top of most primary polls. She
also has strong support among black voters. Oh well, then
that's why you do it. Of course, if she has
strong approval amongst black voters, the most critical voting block, well,
we know how well it worked for her before. And
we know that Barack Obama running around scolding Blacks telling

(01:25:32):
them they owe her something. We know how well that worked. Look,
I hope let this be true. Please, I pray. I
would love nothing more than to see that happen. By
the way, Nicki Minaj is attacking Gavin Newsom for saying
he wants to see trans kids. She's just pummeling him

(01:25:54):
on this thing. And I think this trans issue, as
long as he continues to embrace it, is exactly why
he won't be the NOMA. I think they will run
far and fast from that. That's my bet. We'll see
look much like our friend Aarin Maguire, Chuck Schumer, big
bills fan, even when it's terribly, terribly inappropriate number eighty four.

Speaker 15 (01:26:11):
If you would, And of course I'm going to say
a few words about the terrible shooting in Sydney, Australia. Okay, So,
and first, of course, as I always say, no matter what,
go Bills, they beat the Patriots today.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
It's a big deal. I mean, Aaron, I feel like
your political strategist, and I know you love the Bills,
but I don't know. There's probably a time and a
place for that. Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 16 (01:26:36):
There certainly isn't a time and a place for that,
and it's not at the top of a press conference
like that. Leave it to Chuck Schumer to never be
able to read a room. The guy is so inapt.
He has failed New Yorker's tremendously, and instead of being
an actual statsman, he decides to like throw a quip
and listen. I love the Bills, probably more than almost

(01:26:56):
anybody in the country, but I also take serious moments seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
And I'm not an elected official. You would think that
the elected who's.

Speaker 16 (01:27:05):
Been in office for fifty some odd years would have
a better sense of not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Unbelievable. I will say congratulations to your Bills though, by
the way, and Josh Allen on top of an expected
father big news there in Buffalo.

Speaker 16 (01:27:18):
Yes, very exciting win versus the Patriots. With Josh Allen
on the field, we are never out of a game,
a resilient team. And Hailey Steinfeld is pregnant. So there
are Bills mafia babies on the way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
We are very excited at Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Well, we'll be watching and rooting. That's you know. I
have absolutely nothing now to watch except your team, so
I'll have to and the Eagles and look, as far
as I'm concerned, I would love to see a Bill's
Eagle super Bowl. I would love to see that. I
think that'd be great fun, don't you.

Speaker 16 (01:27:49):
I just want to see the Bills in a super Bowl. Honestly,
it could be against anybody. I just want my Super
Bowl game and I want my victory. I have thirty
seven years of being a Bills fan.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I want my win.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
All right, well, we're ready. I want to ask you.
Speaking of winning, I want to ask you if you
believe at this hour President Trump given the polling that
I've seen that says he's still in terms of recent history,
he's still trending better than other presidents at this point
and their presidencies comparatively, is he winning? If Republicans in
Congress are not, are they separate or are they together?

(01:28:26):
Is this an all rise together? Or they're separate entities
on separate tracks. Trump versus the GOP and Congress.

Speaker 16 (01:28:33):
They should be like a rising tide. Lifts all votes.
There should be one unified party, but we do have
the separation of branches of government here.

Speaker 7 (01:28:41):
So what the.

Speaker 16 (01:28:42):
Executive does as the Republican leader, Donald Trump as the
leader of the party versus the congressional priorities you see
from the Republicans elected in the House, in the Senate.
That's a tale as old as time does. That's not
a Donald Trump thing. That's not a George Bush thing,
that's not a Barack Obama thing. That is acted officials
who each have their own set of priorities. And so

(01:29:03):
Donald Trump can be doing very well as the executive
in the country and Congress can be doing well on
two separate tracks. It's just right now Congress is actually
in the hardest place it has been in a very
long time, looking at this short runway to the end
of the year and a number of big things to
try and clean up along the way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
What do you believe Republicans should do in Congress with Obamacare?
We know that Democrats wanted a three year extension of
subsidies as is just rubber stamp another three years of
doing business as usual. Republicans say no, but they haven't
really coalesced around to plan forward of their own, which
Democrats wouldn't embrace. We all know that if the calendar

(01:29:43):
turns and rates jump precipitously on Obamacare, people, Republicans are
going to be left holding the blame. Not that I
think they deserve it, but they will be. So what
do you do here? This feels kind of politically untenable
with very little time left till the year ends.

Speaker 16 (01:30:00):
Yeah, this is a really tough leadership moment for Republicans
because they are having to clean up democrats mess. We
know Obamacare is the signature Democrat legislation in this country.
It's named after Barack Obama. All of that aside, it's
now up to Republicans like Donald Trump. When we had
to fix the economy after the Biden inflation, and for

(01:30:21):
Republicans to have to clean up the Obamacare subsidies mess.
Everybody knew that these were expiring. However, nobody really prevented
an off ramp or presented one. My best educated guess
is that what will happen is these subsidies will collapse.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
And they will not be renewed.

Speaker 16 (01:30:39):
What should happen is some level of an off ramp
bridge here where we start putting in the reforms we
need in order to structurally change the healthcare system. So
what does that mean. It means that we need to
be putting on limitations to income caps. Here, if you're
making plenty of money, you don't need a subsidy to

(01:30:59):
your private healthcare. That is not something that if you're
making three hundred thousand dollars a year, taxpayers should be footing.
That's an important one and making sure And I know
Democrats love to say no, illegals are not getting free
healthcare in this country. They most certainly are. There are
plenty of people abusing the system, and there are plenty
of studies that show you can use the same Social

(01:31:20):
Security number and get approved forty five out of fifty
times on the Obamacare website.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
There is plenty of fraud.

Speaker 16 (01:31:27):
We need to start building in these structural changes. One
so we don't hurt the American people who Democrats have
set up to be burned in this situation, and off
ramp with structural security changes. And it allows people to
keep the subsidies for those who need it. As we
begin what is always the most difficult thing to do
in Congress, that's healthcare reform. There's a reason that Republicans

(01:31:50):
voted hundreds of times to repeal Obamacare. There's a reason
John McCain voted no against the final Obamacare repeal effort
because he didn't have a strategy for Republicans he saw
for healthcare reform going forward. They have to consider the
fact that while we don't want to be continuing subsidy
payments to health insurance companies, pulling the rug out from

(01:32:12):
under the American people to try to stick it to
Democrats is a bad strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Does President Trump have his hands around, or at least
does the White House have their hands around, this thing
called affordability? However you want to use that in the
context you want to use it. I know it frustrates him.
It's clear it does. I saw JD. Vance over the
weekend say on X, hey, look we get it. Things
are still tough. We're not satisfied. We're still at work.

(01:32:37):
So it's like the beston is out there. Both yes,
acknowledging the affordability thing, but also saying, hey, look we
trade deficit. Tariffs are bringing in tons of money, stock
markets through the roof. Energy prices are coming down. Things
are much better. This is I mean, as a political
strategist and a professional messenger, Aaron, it's a tough thing.

(01:32:58):
President Trump's frustrated, I'm sure, and you can tell it.
He doesn't like Democrats acting as though he's making things
worse when we intellectually know he's not. But it's perception, right, It.

Speaker 16 (01:33:10):
Is perception, And I think this is where the Trump
Dance administration does so much better than Joe Biden and Democrats. Ever,
did they acknowledge the hardship the American people are going through.
They're not saying, don't believe that it's not hard. However,
here's what we're doing to make it more affordable. The
price of gas is going down. You know what's about
to happen. Millions of Americans are about to hit the

(01:33:31):
roads across the highways in the United States for the holidays.
I myself will be driving up to Rochester this week.
It's a six and a half hour drive, and it's
more affordable now for me to put gas in my
car to get up to my hometown for the holidays
than it was this time last year. That's a structural
improvement the American people are seeing. But grabbing the word affordability,

(01:33:53):
Democrats want to try and use that word and beat
Republicans over the head with it. But not only are
Republicans taking that, they're talking actively to the American people
about it. And Donald Trump is now on the road
messaging on this. That's the important thing is there are
a few messengers out there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
And I really loved.

Speaker 16 (01:34:10):
Seeing Susie Wiles recently saying the President doesn't know it,
but he's about to be out there campaigning like it's
twenty twenty four going into the midterms, because he's the
only one who can really turn out that sect of voters,
that low propensity group right now that we're gonna need
to keep Republicans in power. But he's also one of
the few has the best opportunity to sell the affordability message.

(01:34:30):
Republicans have to be all gas on this. Democrats want
to challenge it. They want to say things are more expensive,
and they've got the liberal lunacy media at their back
to help them with that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
And Republicans have to do what we always do.

Speaker 16 (01:34:43):
Come with the facts, be prepared, and be unafraid to
talk to your constituents. Hiding from voters doesn't sell a message.
And I know town halls are tard and I know
the NRCC, the NRSC, the RNC, other people may have
differing opinions on how aggressively you should be in your community.
Unafraid as an elected to talk to your voters and

(01:35:03):
get out there right now. Do coke drives, do food drives,
use the season to message affordability and how you're helping
your community.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
No reason to hide from it.

Speaker 8 (01:35:12):
Yes see, this is it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
And I think that some are saying, well, it's violent,
it's it's too tenuous. I'm scared of we'll be heard.
I don't know that we can be safe and all
that stuff. That's a bad look, isn't it. I mean,
you know, I don't want to put anybody in harm's way,
but it's a bad look to say I'm afraid to
go talk to people.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Yeah, that's one of the things.

Speaker 16 (01:35:27):
There are other opportunities to talk to people than just
in person. Telephone, town halls, do zoom meetings, find a
way if you're worried about security. And I will never
blame a member and an elected official for their fear
for their life. I can only imagine the amount of
targets and threats many of them get. We have to
be willing to work with your local law enforcement to
make sure you're talking to them if you are doing

(01:35:48):
an in person town hall. There are ways to keep
your community and yourself safe and the message direct to
voters in a way that is going to make sure
that you are not hiding from the fact that Republicans
have delivered on affordability. Democrats continue to lie about that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Hey, just briefly, Aerin. I'm curious because I haven't asked
you about Jasmine Crockett yet. There's a story in the
Free Beacon that says she jumps to the lead and
the Texas Democrats Senate primary, she would be the nominee
odds on right favorite if she actually does this thing,
so she'll be the nominee. But what's it look like?
Is she another Bette down there? Or could she do
better than him?

Speaker 16 (01:36:24):
I don't think she could because on day one of
her campaign she came out and said she's not trying
to win Trump voters. Fifty six percent of Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Voted for Donald Trump.

Speaker 16 (01:36:34):
If she's aiming for the forty two percent, Kamala Harriscot,
great math there, Jasmine, You're going to go the way
of Beto O'Rourke. The lady and the sneakers and Colin
allread this big blue fever dream.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Democrats keep believing their.

Speaker 16 (01:36:48):
Hat they could have, especially with someone who looks like
a moderate, like a James Tallerico who's also in that primary.
You let crazy Town Jasmine Crockett in there, poof, there
it goes. The fever dream's gone again and Republiclkins will
yet again represent the people of Texas because Republicans continue
to win by large margins in that state.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
We're going to do one more of these next Monday
for our final one of the year. Erin, assuming your game,
I hope that you will be well. Will we be
able to join us on Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
I will be there. I will be for my hometown.

Speaker 16 (01:37:17):
I will be at my sister's house doing it from Rochester,
but I will be here next week.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
I love it. Thank you, Erin, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 8 (01:37:24):
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Sina, morning it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Okay, thank you. We are still at it. We're still
working on these donations at Angel Tree. You guys are
coming in at it, coming in hot today. I like it.
We have a week to go and so we're trying
to raise the bar here and get the Angel Tree campaign,
the Prison Fellowship thing over the finish line. We're really close.
Now here's the deal. Twenty six hundred kids is what

(01:37:52):
we've pledged to try to help here by the end
of well, I say, the end of this week. We've
technically got ten more days, but I really don't. I
don't want to wait until right at Christmas. The Prison
Fellowship people can get a gift out the door today.
Every thirty dollars donation that's made today means a gift

(01:38:12):
has turned out today for one of these kids who
has a parent who's incarcerated. And what does this mean?
What does it do? Well, listen to Jermaine, who is
one of the guys who now is an ambassador for
Prison Fellowship, was directly impacted by this. He's now a
free guy. He's paid his debt to society. He had
some family that was back home and Prison Fellowship let

(01:38:32):
those kids know Dad's still thinking about them.

Speaker 9 (01:38:35):
Listen, there wasn't a Christmas that went by where he
didn't hear or receive something from his dad. So that
void that he, like most kids have, my son was
able to have that void fulfilled during Christmas time because
gifts always came on behalf of his dad, and so
he knows Dad was there during the holiday season. Although
he couldn't see me that day. The gifts was a

(01:38:58):
great representation and filled my spot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Listen, this is that time of year where you can
be a blessing to someone if you yourself feel you
have been blessed. And not just anyone. I'm talking about
a child who desperately needs to know they are loved
and they're being thought of, and they need to have
a sense of hope and joy this time of year.
A gift from you for just thirty dollars gets it done.
We're closing in on this goal. I am confident we're

(01:39:22):
going to hit it this week. Confident, and if you
can help, whatever you can do thirty. If it's not thirty,
if you can do five, that's great. It doesn't have
to be thirty. But if you can do more than thirty,
every thirty dollars covers a child on a handwritten note
from the parent as well as a Bible in their home.
And that's what it's about this season, isn't it. So
help us out if you can. I hope that you will.

(01:39:44):
If you haven't done so yet, go to my website,
Christigall dot com. There's a link right there. You can
also text right now, go ahead and text my name
Chris to nine four eight seven eight. Text Chris to
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(01:40:05):
could really use your help.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
I don't want to be obnoxious about this. I'm not
trying to hit you over the head with it. I'm
really not. I could. I could spend a whole show
just pounding and pounding this, but I'm trying my best
to just pray, have faith, sit back and let you
do the hard, hard work and heavy lifting. So I
thank you in advance for your I may have to
get obnoxious fast, Eddie as the week goes on, if
we get we're getting closer and we don't get it done.

(01:40:26):
I don't want to get obnoxious, but I might have to.
I don't want it, Chris.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
I understand it's that time of year, you know. We
want these kids to have a good Christmas, and we're
closing in on it. Man, we really are.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Got a very very nice email from someone and I
wanted to close with this today. Merry Christmas, Chris. It's
from Rick. He says, thank you for your outstanding show.
Regarding your broadcasts in this last week, there were some
comments from listeners that your show was growing on them.
I have to say I'm glad to hear that, but
I've been listening since you started the show and took
over from Hugh Hewitt, and your show is absolutely the best.

(01:40:59):
I love you. But from day one you make me think, laugh,
and also ponder events and issues like no other conservative
or commentator ever. Wow. Your show plus coffee in the
morning gets me started on my day, and I'm grateful
for both. Right Rick, he said, Also listen to this
Bobby Bass our audio cowboy. You ready for this? He said,

(01:41:19):
you have the best bumper music. And I am especially
grateful for your consideration of listeners' needs, like giving out
the tech system to donate to Angel Tree, which we
just got done last week. That made it very easy
for me to donate to the cause that the Lord
has laid upon my and my family's heart to support. Plus,
I have to say fast Eddie is outstanding as well,

(01:41:40):
and is superior to any other staff on any show. Ever,
how about that any show ever?

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
Very thank you, Rick, very.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Much, signed Uncle Rick Kayaso. Oh non kid, that's a joke.
You don't know, Rick, do you?

Speaker 7 (01:41:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Thank you, Chris, please keep doing what you're doing. May
God richly bless you in yours and everyone at the
Christagall Show. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Rick.
Thank you, you have absolutely no I got that email
this weekend and I sent it to the whole team
before today's show. You just made our weekends. We're so
grateful that you listen and that you're here every day.
Hope you have a great day. We'll do it again tomorrow.

(01:42:18):
Catch me at the Harum Society. It's free. See you tomorrow.
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