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stigaul dot com. There's a link right there. All right,
President Trump seizing this oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela.
Anybody mad about this? Taking a show of hands, I
got a couple of America First people are claiming to
be America First people that I think are really probably
paid Katari online influencers who told me that there your

(06:04):
goest to all. This is the point, This is the
problems to Gaul, he's not America First. Here he's on
the campaign trail talking about economics, and affordability, and the
next minute he seasoned Venezuelan oil tankers. So, Eddie, you say,
I say good, I do do. Yeah, I don't have
any I was just you and I have not talked
about this, as is usually the case. I don't interview

(06:25):
you ahead of the show, so I don't know what
you're gonna say. But I figure you're just as much
on the finger on the pulse of this audience as
anybody else's. Do you think anybody's angry about this?

Speaker 7 (06:34):
I can't imagine they would be. We're blowing up narco terrorists.
Trump means business. If this is a way of showing
that he does in fact mean business, let.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It be done. Was a single shot fired that I'm
aware of?

Speaker 8 (06:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, did we lose a single Was anyone injured? Was
any American military personnel injured or wounded or in any
kind of ineminent danger? There's always some danger, obviously when
you're carrying out any kind of exercise. But were there
was there any loss of life or injury to military
men or women or any of them in harm's way
as of today, as far as I'm aware of. Nope,
thankfully that's that's And do we view Venezuela as a

(07:11):
problem or not.

Speaker 7 (07:13):
Oh, we absolutely view Venezuela has a problem.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yes, indeed for a couple of different reasons. Chief among
them is President Trump's concern that they are fast tracking
drugs into the country. It's the scourge of ventanyl chief
among them, so blowing up drug boats. As you mentioned,
they're doing tons of business with Iran. It's pretty clear
which was the justification for the seizure of this oil

(07:38):
tanker Iran's and no go, We've already obliterated their nuke
program without again a single hair being harmed on the
heads of any American military personnel. And that's not to
speak of China either. Look, I don't know how is
to say it, and maybe some will say this is

(07:59):
I don't know, oh, or boorish or impolite or impolitic
or something. I don't know, but I would just say,
if we aren't control of this hemisphere, and I don't
mean literally governing it, but I do mean this is
our neighborhood, and we're the head of the HOA, and

(08:19):
we're not going to let the neighbors misbehave, and if
they do, we're going to make sure everyone knows who's
running this hoa. We're not going to tell you necessarily
what you're doing inside your house or in your lawn,
but when you start doing business with outside neighborhoods and
bringing in riff raff, and we're gonna stop that, We're
gonna put it down. We have a covenant and it's ours.

(08:42):
We're in control of this hemisphere, baby, and our flexing
is important at times like these, and that's exactly what
Donald Trump did. The seizure comes into the United States,
builds up its forces in the Caribbean, part of the
campaign against the Maduro regime in seizing this oil tanker,
off the coat and reading this from the New York Times,
a dramatic escalation in the President's pressure campaign against Maduro.

(09:06):
I don't think it's just against Maduro. I think it's
also against the Chinese. I think it's also against Iran.
I'll have some more thoughts about this coming up. But
speaking at the White House before an event on a
new visa program, the President kind of snuck this in here.
It was funny. In the middle of the day yesterday.
There were a number of people who kind of sat
up and took notice. They thought it was just going

(09:26):
to be a a normal event, and then he kind
of kind of snuck in there. Oh, by the way,
we seized a massive oil tanker, number sixty seven. Well
we keep it.

Speaker 9 (09:43):
I guess when you have to follow the tanker.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know, here a good Desmond, just.

Speaker 10 (09:50):
Follow the tanker, follow following, Get a helicopter, follow the tanker.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
We're going to I assume we're going to keep the
I don't know, get a helicopter and chase it around
if you want. What the hell do I care? My
goal was stopping the transfer of the oil. When asked
about the ship's oil, Trump said, well, we'll keep it.
I guess why. Honestly, Like of everything there is to

(10:20):
think about this entire active, this whole scene, the first
thing that comes to the press's mind is, well, are
you going to keep that oil? You can already hear it,
and that's not your oil. You can't just steal from
other countries. That's immediately where their mind went, right, that's
what they're thinking. Three US officials who spoke on the

(10:40):
condition of anonymity to describe a law enforcement operation said
the ship was carrying Venezuelan oil. They said there was
no resistance from the crew, no casualties. The operation the
latest tactic and expanding an effort to squeeze Venezuela and
pressure Maduro. The Trump administration has accused him of running
narco terrorist cartels to the United States dates and said

(11:01):
September the United States has launched more than twenty two
known strikes against boats in the region, killing more than
eighty The Trump administration insists, without publicly providing evidence, says
The New York Times, the boats are smuggling drugs. Yeah,
Trump's just bored and he's blown up boats fishermen in
the Caribbean for fun, indiscriminately killing people. That's with no

(11:22):
evidence they're carrying drugs. Well, except they're floating around trying
to gather up the drugs. And that was the whole
reason that you had a Second House subcommittee hearing, isn't it.
Because the guys weren't all killed in the first strike,
and they were literally trying to gather up the drugs
that were blown apart in the boat and they got
hit again. And the whole point of the thing was
you saw them trying to reconstitute their drug run. Well,

(11:45):
their boat was clearly disabled. You shouldn't have fired on them.
A second, which is it they are? They aren't. There's
no evidence they're running drug that's right, They're just out
fishing for mackerel. So stupid and disingenuous. Attorney General Pam
Bondi posting a video yesterday showing armed forces repelling from
a helicopter on to the deck of the tanker. Bondi

(12:06):
said the operation included the FBI, Homeland Security, and the
Coast Guard and supported by the Pentagon. She said the
tanker had been used to transport sanctioned oil from Venezuela
to Iran. US officials said they expect additional seizures in
the coming weeks as part of the administration's efforts to
weaken the Maduro government by undermining its oil market. Good,

(12:31):
by the way, this is nothing but good news for
our oil prices while we're at it. Maduro no good,
Iran no good. They're not allowed to do business. And
that's exactly what Trump caught them doing. And the president
of the HOA in this hemisphere said, uh no, talking
over the fence in this neighborhood. That's why we've got fences.
You're not allowed to do that. We're taking your tanker,

(12:55):
and the PRES's only curiosity about the whole thing was
what happens to that oil. I don't know. Get a
helicopter and follow it around. I don't care what happens
to the oil. That's not the point of the damn thing.
We're trying to choke off goons and drug runners and terrorists.
Moren a minute, All right, Speaker Johnson, I love this,
taking a page from President Trump yesterday. Remember, we can't

(13:17):
light everything on fire, and then you're the arsonist and
pretend you guys are the firefighters too. Number fifty eight.

Speaker 10 (13:25):
They broke the economy and now they want a lecture
to the American people about affordability. They opened our borders
and now they want to lecture to the American people
about immigration border enforcement. They broke the American healthcare system,
they caused premiums to skyrocket, and now they have the
audacity to tell Republicans that the only way to save
it is to throw one hundred billions of dollars to

(13:46):
health insurance companies, which would merely fuel a system that
is rife with fraud, waste, and abuse. You cannot be
an arsonist and a firefighter at the same time. That's
the message for the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I like this. This is like what did he say
Bonnie and Clyde Trump said in Pennsylvania. It's like Bonnie
and Clyde being in charge of I forget what he said,
but anyway, the analogies. I like, it's the same deal
they're reminding the American people. Meanwhile, did you see too
Late your own power lowered interest rates? Again? And interestingly,
over the ap the Chair said that the Fed's key

(14:21):
rate was close to a level that neither restricts nor
stimulates the economy, a significant shift from earlier this year,
when he described the rate as high enough to slow
the economy and quell inflation. With rates more closer to
more neutral levels, the bar for further rate cuts is
likely higher than it was this fall. Plus too Late

(14:43):
knows he's probably out of a job when the calendar
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Speaker 7 (15:32):
I just you know, there there was a lot of traffic,
and I'm thinking, let's get through the end of the year.
And I'm not one of those people that, hey, let's
just wait till the end of the year and turn
the page.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
But I'd rather start new processes, you know, you know,
like we're all everyone on the show has just been
working their tails off, you know, and everybody like you,
I'm sure, everyone looking forward to a little time with
family and some time off, and so naturally everything is
going bonkers, which it does for some reason just before

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the holidays. And Eddie and I have had a long
working theory that for some arbitrary reason, everything goes haywire
just before everyone's about to take a little time off
because people feel some weird unspoken pressure because they're going
to take a little time off, that everything's got to
happen now, and just everything goes to hell. I don't
know why exactly, but anyway, here we are not your problem.

(16:23):
Well this drug boat thing as well as this oil
tanker thing. In my view, President Trump is also successfully
ending what really was the old and failed war on drugs.
And what he started is a highly effective war on
drug cartels. The supplier, not just those of us consuming it.

(16:46):
Just say no, it's just blow them up before it
gets here. For decades, America fought the symptom cops arresting
street dealers and users, but the cartails offshore empires stayed untouched,
and it just kept flowing unimpeded. And President Biden opened
the borders, and you know, we have the day, trillions
spent supply barely dented, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions over

(17:08):
the decades dead from drugs and overdoses. And Trump's changed
that whole dynamic yet again in his very first year
of his second term. Since September, US warships in the
Caribbean have some more than twenty Narco drug boats for
want of a better term, killing dozens of traffickers on

(17:29):
the high seas. And now the campaign has grown even
sharper as of yesterday at dawn, as Navy helicopters, Literally,
as I was sitting here talking yesterday morning, fast rope
seals onto this one point one million barrel tanker skipper
off of Venezuela's coast. Now this ship sanctioned since twenty

(17:52):
twenty two for funneling oil profits to Iran and those
goons and Hesbela. It was seized, not a shot fired,
but it was seized. That single event just wiped out
more cartel linked revenue than a decade of street busts.
Do you understand that move yesterday did more police work

(18:15):
or said another way, did advance police work the equivalent
of like a decade. The message is unmistakable here. The
United States is now going to use military force to
destroy the boats, the cash funneling, the government protectors that
keep the drug cartels in business. President Trump is shutting
it all down, all routes closed. Columbia's president, by the way,

(18:38):
is also unnotice and been told publicly by Trump. You
do the same shut down the cocoa or the coco
fields or face the same pressure shut them down. Not
Coco coca, you know what I mean. This is not
police work, by the way, this is economic and logistical warfare.
So when you say the world's police, really this is

(19:00):
defensive posture aimed at the head of the snake before
the poison ever reaches this country. I love it. And
the early results, by the way, are showing up in
the only place that matters, the bottom line of these cartels.
They're hemorrhaging and their political backing is starting to crack.

(19:22):
The Maduro regime is likely going to be ousted by
its own people. No more warrants. It's about seizing warships,
blowing them out of the water if need be, the
source of production, taking it out. No more street and
retail deals. This is taking it out of its source.
That's the new rule. The most effective problem solver who

(19:47):
has ever served as president in my lifetime certainly has
struck again. He's offering solutions to real problems. And why
is President Trump such an effective problem solver? Bottom line,
because he cares deeply about people. He's motivated by care
for the American people. Trump is an America First president,

(20:10):
and anyone that would not be able to see why
yesterday's activity backs that up is blind. This is a
flex to maintain our position of dominance and influence over
the hemisphere, choking off and choking out dictators wherever they're found,
colluding with places like Iran and China. And never ever
was a single shot fired. By the way, these same

(20:33):
warships sinking Narco terrast speedboats, they're quietly strangling the Maduro regime.
This seizure of one point one million barrels worth in
this tanker, this seizure of this tanker, it wasn't just
about drugs. This ship was carrying sanctioned Venezuelan crude and

(20:57):
the profits from the sale of this crude was fueling
Maduro's military and paying his government by boarding and taking
a giant oil carrier. The US is now enforcing sanctions
without guns. Well, guns drawn, I suppose, but it's mostly

(21:22):
just gunpoint no shots fired. But look, the regime is
not going to be able to pay for their operations soon.
You cut that kind of supply off, the money the
money spick, it dries up. They likely won't be able
to keep the lights on soon enough. So while the
headline fight involves yeah, some guys coming down on ropes,

(21:43):
very dramatic, seizing a ship or blowing a drug cartail
out of the water. There's a parallel, bigger fight happening underway,
and that's using the Navy and even the FBI, as
we learned last night, to squeeze Venezuela's dictator until his
own people him out, no invasion required. That's the beauty

(22:04):
of this. That's the strategy of Donald Trump. That's the
true four D chess, the depth and the multiple dimensions
of thought that go into the foreign policy of this presidency.
He's not just shoot from the hip. He may sound
that way, but he's not. This is brilliant strategy. Same ocean,
same helicopters, two different wars running at the exact same time,

(22:28):
and again not a single shot fired. I love this.
This is keeping the American people safe. This is America first.
This is the president I voted for. He made a
promise he was going to cut off the scourge of
drugs to this country and he was going to stop

(22:49):
hostile regimes from developing nuclear weapons. He's pledged those things.
He said so all along and without a single hair
on a single head of US military personnel. He managed
to do both squeeze a drug supply and blow to
smithereens a program which two different extraordinarily hostile countries who

(23:14):
mean us no good and wish to do us great harm.
As a matter of fact, both of them have now
been neutered by a president who never had to put
any man or woman in service to this country in
true harm's way. Like, how you cannot see this guy
as the Nobel Peace Prize winner next year is beyond me.

(23:36):
If he doesn't get it. If we're sitting here a
year from now and that guy doesn't have one of those,
then you know what a joke the Nobel Peace Prize is,
and what a joke that committee is. I've never seen
a president achieve this kind of victory without firing a shot,
and he's done so on two occasions inside one calendar year.

(24:01):
It's remarkable. Meanwhile, CNBC had a discussion about the economy
here at home, some who watch the markets regularly, This
crew over there at the morning show, This Joe Kernan,
guy that everybody loves. I don't again, I know Joe.
Please don't email me about Joe Kernan. I always have
to say that. It's not a dig at Joe Kernan.
He just operates at the same time we do. I

(24:22):
don't get to watch him, but apparently he's great. I'm
sure he is. I don't know. I've never met him.
Maybe if he has a day off, he can come
on the show. So I like his moxie. They're sitting
around talking about the economy, and he, like Kudlow and others,
are just they're seeing the numbers, they're seeing the data,
they're seeing the market. They do not buy what Trump
has been calling the affordability oaks. It's really starting to

(24:45):
frustrate and frost to them. In number fifty six here,
listen to this discussion.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
But the affordability issue is but from the twenty two
percent increase in prices in inflation under Biden.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
There's this full stop right there. That's the affordability issue.
And you haven't be able to explain that.

Speaker 11 (25:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's right.

Speaker 12 (25:03):
And look, I think that with the economic team President
Trump and the economic team led by Scott Dessant, you
have people who very much understand this and it was
a they were thrown you know what, I would say,
the worst economy for the average American in my adult
lifetime in terms of the like you said, the incredible

(25:27):
increase in prices at the household.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, again, where we've been matters. You can't ignore what
this man inherited, either whether it's wide open borders and
the free flow of drugs or an inflationary economy that
was out of control and just printing money. You know,
I know, politically people say this every time they acquire
an office. They say, well, I inherited a mess. But folks,

(25:53):
there is no way to look at the four years
of that pretend husk, that shell of a human being
that we were calling a president. There is no way
to objectively look at the last four years and not
see us as sitting ducks. Had President Trump not won
that victory, I shudder to think. Kamala Harris, President Kamala Harris.

(26:16):
He's shutting down borders, He's shutting down the free flow
of drugs into this country. He is working and moving
heaven and earth to onshore business and restructure this economy
so that it grows from the inside out. But good grief,
this is a complete renovation, folks. This is you know,
you watch those house Runo shows, those Flipper shows. He

(26:36):
bought a dump. No, look, I know exactly I feel
the same way. Friend of mine text me, he said, Stigaud,
you are exactly right. Trump is kicking button, taking names.
You know what I wish, he said, And I couldn't disagree.
I wish I felt like Pam Bondy over there at
DOJ was kicking button taking names the way Trump is,

(27:00):
he said. I wish Democrats were being punished and prosecuted
the way Trump is punishing and prosecuting terrorists and drug runners.
Fair or unfair observation, fast Eddie, Uh, that's fair. That's
a fair observation. Yeah, I know it's not totally analogous.
But people are seeing action with Donald Trump. And that's

(27:21):
the thing about DJ and Pambondi. They just don't feel
like they see the same. Pambondi's not repelling on ropes
to Epstein Island or you know, Tim Walls's home, and
so we don't see a lot of what she's doing,
and it frustrates people. I'm not spinning four folks. I
don't know. In fact, there is chatter that maybe President
Trump may replace her. You know what I saw, And

(27:42):
again it's probably internet gossip. Actually, all right, I just
won't comment, but I will say I saw they were
floating the name Trey Goudi to return to government as
a potential replacement fast Eddie. I'm not going to touch it.
I'm just going to say, that's a gossip piece that
I read that Trump is thinking about replacing Pambondi with

(28:03):
Trey Goudy.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
What what is it with I'm sorry, sorry, just going
on a rabbit hole for a second. What does it
mat The Fox newspeople like what is I mean? Believe me,
I love Pete Hegseth, but.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Like everybody else, it's like, what are we doing? Okay?

Speaker 7 (28:21):
All right, all right?

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That can't be true. That just can't. I'm I'm going
to I'm going to just go into the holidays and
trust that that was internet gossip and not true. All right.
Looking at next year, I was just reading here about
too late Jerome Powell reducing the interest rate and over
at the AP they had to admit and they're just
ticked about it. So is Powell for that matter. But

(28:44):
they're gonna look like stooges next year if they don't
acknowledge it. Here it is. Powell was also optimistic about
the economy's growth next year, and said consumers spending remains
resilient while companies are still invest in AI infrastructure. He
also suggested growing worker efficiency could contribute to faster growth

(29:09):
without more inflation. What's this now, Well, that's beat Wow,
that's buried about two pages deep in the story. That
sounds pretty damned optimistic from too late. You don't know.
You don't lower the interest rate if you think the comma,
And that was the whole justification this entire year of
lowering the interest rate earlier. Oh well, I don't know.

(29:32):
These tariffs really a problem. I don't know these tariffs.
Hold no, No, we can't lower the interest rate tariffs.
We don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 11 (29:39):
Black.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well, now he's lowered it like three times and said,
I think things are looking pretty good for twenty six,
so we'll probably lower it again one more time next year.
I mean, look, if Trump gets his way, and I
know a lot of people debate this, but if Trump
gets his way and gets a chairman that does his bidding,
which I get it, people say that's not the job
of the FED chair to do the president's bidding. But

(30:00):
I mean, come on, Trump, wants to see more than
just one breake cut if he gets his way. Dana
Perino going over some numbers of what's coming. And this
is real, this is not even kicked in yet. You
know what I looked up last night. I think she's
still asleep. I can say this, looking at getting the

(30:20):
wife a new car this year, next year, in twenty
twenty six, she's been driving the same thing. Well she's
been driving I mean like the family truckster. I'm not kidding.
We have driven this particular she has driven this minivan
now since twenty eleven, two hundred thirty five thousand miles.
On the sucker Fest Eddie, we drive cars into the
ground at the Stigall House. I like it.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
All right, that's exciting, man, that's look at you.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's a heck of a Christmas. Yeah, give me number
fifty seven. Here. This is Dana Perino going over what's coming.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
To imagine, if you are somebody who uses tips as
part of your salary or to make your living, that
will have an impact. The senior to duck you have
to be sixty five years old. It phases out at
seventy five thousand dollars. But again for people who are
saying gas prices which are lower, but that food prices
are higher, that it's hard for them.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
That might help as well.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
There's a no tax on car loan interests now that
can be helpful. But what might be even more helpful
is what they announced last week, which is they're doing
away with some of the EPA rules on these car
and fuel mileage that actual help bring the cost of
cars down, probably even more.

Speaker 11 (31:27):
So.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
There you go. When I heard that, I'm the perfect example.
I'm an American who might go shopping for an American
car next year simply because of that little benny. Thank you,
mister President. I'm looking forward to twenty twenty six. I
don't know about you moren a minute. Hey there, it's
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than you know. As a matter of fact, it's kind well,
I've been getting some nice emails. Thank you so much
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do it. We love it. If there's something on your mind,
then you don't typically either call in and you think, well,
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this open line Friday tomorrow. Meanwhile, in California, Alex is
waiting patiently. Let's head to it, talking about the seizure
of this big Venezuelan oil tanker, the drug boats being
blown out of the water. Alex, good morning, Glad you're here.

Speaker 14 (36:06):
Hello, Hi Chris, thanks for taking my call. I just
have two brief comments. The first one is that the
cause of the drug problem is not Maduro or leaders
of any other countries explorting drugs in the US. The
problem is that people voluntarily take the drugs and then
die from it. And my second brief comment is the

(36:27):
proof of my first comment is simply to observe that
Americans of East Asian ancestry do not have any kind
of drug problem. Africans and Hispanics have a drug problem
because they voluntary take it. What's wrong with them? Why
can't they act like people of East Asian ancestry and
just be disciplined, don't take something that harmed yourself, don't

(36:48):
take narcotics.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So you think our drug problem is strictly a lack
of self control.

Speaker 14 (36:57):
That's right, because you just see the problem in the
East Asian community. If this was if it was not
any show of self control, then then then you would
see the same high death rate from Fenston All but
you don't see it. You don't see it in the
East Asian community. You can ask any medical policy analyst

(37:21):
at a reputable university and ask them give me the
data and it will prove exactly what I just told you.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, I can't speak to that data. I haven't seen it.
I'm not going to argue that data point with you.
But is there alcoholism in East Asian countries?

Speaker 7 (37:38):
There is?

Speaker 14 (37:40):
There is not as far as I know. The one
country I'm familiar with is Japan. There is no alcoholism
problem there.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, I will tell you. As a guy who no
longer drinks but abused it for far too long, people
would say to me, why don't you just stop? And
I didn't. What does that mean for me.

Speaker 14 (38:06):
Having that self control? And you know, when you become
an adult you have to make appropriate decisions and you
have to take responsibility for your actions.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I mean, yes, no, that's that's true. I don't think
anybody I don't think anybody is suggesting that you're not
in control of your own actions. You but you don't.
You don't addiction is not a real thing to you, then.

Speaker 14 (38:32):
It is a real thing. But it has to do
with self will, your your your ability to control your behavior.
You know, there are a lot of laws in this
country which are intended to protect people from their own stupidity, like,
for example, seatbelt laws. We need to stop that. People
need to take responsibility for acting in a way that
is appropriate. And if we do that, then we won't

(38:54):
have it. We won't have a drop up, we won't
have a you know, traffic accidents in which people die
because they don't use seat belts. I mean, it's all
this stuff to protect people. I guess the most prominent
example of a government trying to protect people from their
own stupidity are these term limit laws. You know, people
want to let the same dope, the same guy, the

(39:17):
same corupt politician, over and over and over again, let
him do it.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
This is a very interesting look. I'm a biblical guy,
and I know that the Bible is very very clear
on having self control, being self controlled, and I was not,
for instance, personally with my drinking for a very long time,
but not until the Holy Spirit interceded in my life
did that change for me. I either didn't have the

(39:42):
strength of the willpower or what have you. And I
have a long line of people who drank far too
much in my family. I know that much too. Good people,
productive people, didn't really run a follow of the law,
but drank entirely too much. I again, I'm not a scientist,
I'm not a therapist, but I suspect there were a

(40:03):
good number of people that are listening to me right
now that would argue it is not strictly and only
about people's lack of self control and will power.

Speaker 14 (40:13):
Yes, I agree that there is a genetic tendency to
do certain things, but but genetics doesn't program you to
do those things. You have self will, You have freedom
of choice, and that's what let me.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Let me rather than rather than debate this point, let
me ask you this cutting off the flow of this stuff,
because first of all, there are lots of people within
earshot of our voice right now who have lost someone
to fentanyl totally unattentionally. You understand the danger of fentanyl,
I'm sure, yes, yes, yeah, So fentanyl is being trafficked
in here, so regardless of the you know, willpower and

(40:49):
people overdosing and taking too much or being addicts. Like
setting that aside for a minute, the entry of fentanyl
into this country that's now winding up in kids. You know,
a kid takes an aspirin at a ball game and
all of a sudden drops dead because it was laced
with fentanyl. He didn't know the difference, or it's on
a dollar bill. I mean, a stunningly little amount of
fentanyl can kill you, as you know, and that's made

(41:11):
its way into our uh, into the public with without
our knowledge, and that supply has got to be cut off.
When you.

Speaker 14 (41:20):
Distinction. If it's a legal drug, like for example, aspirin,
and it's got something contaminating it, then we have to
go after the people are doing that. However, if it's
an illegal narcotic it has spentanyl, then we should not
go after those people. We need to have self control.
But in the case of the aspirin example, which you cite,
that's a valid justification go after the people who are

(41:42):
doing that, because that's like, that's like people who contaminate
who contaminated tail and all many years ago.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, I don't know is your but is your argument
that we should do nothing about the supply.

Speaker 14 (41:57):
We should do nothing because it's into a voluntary self
will problem, and that you know we're wasting money on that.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I'm fascinated with this, I really am, and I'm not
I'm not I'm really not arguing the point with you.
I understand and respect your position, but I find it
fascinating that you you just think as long as people
are going to consume drugs, we should keep feeding it.

Speaker 14 (42:27):
We're not as a society feeding people with drugs. They
are voluntarily buying it.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
No, no, no, I mean they're they're legally crossing into
the border, right, I mean they're they're legally being ferried in,
shipped in coming up over the southern border. People trying
to ship them in. That's what these drug boats are doing.
There's a demand for them, that's true. So we were
having a discussion about demand. But I'll set that aside
for a minute. We shouldn't do anything even if there's
a demand to consume illegal drugs in this country, we
as a government, as a people, shouldn't do something to

(42:53):
cut off the supply.

Speaker 14 (42:55):
That's right, Well, we should because you know, there's a
lot of dangerous stuff, not just drugs.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well, sure, so then we shouldn't so we shouldn't have
locks on doors. We shouldn't lock up I mean, you know,
stores shouldn't lock up their merchandise and make us go
get a key to go by the odor and at
the CVS if a store because people can't stop shoplifting.

Speaker 14 (43:15):
That's actually a good example. So let's says a store
owner decides he doesn't want to put locks and he
gets robbed and reports it to the police. Then well,
then that's his problem because he deliberately didn't put any
lock on there, and he could have. You know, that's
his He has to make a smart decision about how
he runs his store, put the locks on. And if

(43:36):
he put the locks on and then somebody breaks in, okay,
then let's go after the guy broke in because he
did what was appropriate. But if he deliberately didn't put
a lock on his door, and he just said basically
hang aside on his door on his store saying there
are no locks and that you guys come on in,
that's not just the fault of society. We can go

(43:58):
after those.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Okay, Well then we'll we'll have to walk it out
and say, you don't even think police work should happen
on the streets of American cities.

Speaker 9 (44:04):
When it comes to drugs, if the drugs involved, for example, murder,
criminal activity of that nature, then that's not voluntary.

Speaker 14 (44:15):
So when someone commits.

Speaker 9 (44:16):
Murder, okay.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
But if I if I'm having a cocaine party in
my basement at State least to gall Manor, you think
the cops should ignore that.

Speaker 14 (44:23):
That's right? You know you you made really.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Okay, So you're a pure libertarian guy. Is that the
same I assume with prostitution. If I want to run
a brothel at State least to gall Manor, you're a
come on in half flat fellows me.

Speaker 14 (44:35):
A libertarian because I believe governments should provide certain services.
But in case of I'm very narrow in my specification
of only those activities, which are you know, you voluntarily
chose to do something stupid. Society is not responsible for
that and we shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Well, yeah, but society, I mean society at large suffers
the consequences of I mean, for instance, if you walk
down the streets of some places in Philadelphia, you will
see like a zombie apocalypse of you know, people on
heroin stumble it around the streets. Does you know do
we not have a duty as a civil society to
deal with that at large? Even if it's a bunch
of people you say are out of self control.

Speaker 14 (45:16):
Well, what society can do is say, here's a hospital,
here's a rehabilitation clinic. You make the decision to go.
But we shouldn't force that person to go into that
rehabilitation clinic. So medical services should provided as part of
as an obligation of society, including free healthcare. However, in

(45:36):
the case of dance room fenandol, that's the victim's choice
to take that in illegal narcotic Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I mean, look, if it feels good, do it. I've
heard it before. It's a very sixties vibe. Have fun.
It's your problem. The consequences I don't share it. I
appreciate the point of view. Merry Christmas, Alex. You know
one thing that we had this fascinating conversation with Alex
a minute ago who basically said that as far as

(46:08):
the free flow of drugs and narcotics into the country
across the border from drug boats or otherwise, if people
are here in consuming them, then we ought not be
involved in trying to stop it, And the first thing
that came to mind were the number of kids who
died from fentanyl. But then as I was thinking about
it during the break, the other thing that occurred to
me is what about the number of kids who were

(46:29):
exposed to drugs an illegal drugs and have no informed consent.
They're not of an age where they have any idea
really about what drugs are or whether it's dangerous, or
haven't been taught or don't know their addictive properties. Do

(46:49):
we have a responsibility to protect children from them? There's
a story at redline dot com. The Department of Justice
announced that a former top Drug Enforcement Agency official, interestingly
who retired near the end of the Obama administration, has
been indicted on multiple charges, including conspiracy to engage in
narco terrorism, money laundering, and conspiracy to distribute cocaine. DEA

(47:16):
administrator Terrence Cole and United States Attorney J. Clayton of
the Southern District of New York revealed that the indictment
of a guy called Paul Campo served as Deputy chief
of Financial Operations at the Drug Enforcement Agency and they
used him to get in touch with drug cartels. They're

(47:37):
serious about this inside the Trump administration. Upon taking office
on the twentieth of January, President Trump issued several executive
orders to address illegal immigration and border security, and then
went on to talk about the drug cartels. This story
does atreline dot com. Narco terrorists also funnel a tremendous
amount of money into enemy countries too. This is also

(47:58):
about a money supply explained earlier. It is not just
strictly about the drug consumption, all right, so that matters.
Let's go to Christopher in California. Christopher, glad you called
good morning, Welcome in.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
Hey, Chris, I'm a big fan. I been listening to
for about a year now. I just wanted to respectfully
disagree with I think his name is Alex.

Speaker 14 (48:27):
I feel like.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
The analogy that about the swore owner that doesn't lock
his own merchandise uff that I feel like he just
kind of contradicted him, because, I mean, that's exactly what
the president is basically doing. He's locking up, trying to
lock up the country from bad people come, bad actors

(48:52):
coming in, bad substances coming in. He basically said that.
But that's the soure owners problem that he doesn't lock
his own merchandise up. Well, that's exactly what the president
is trying to do. And like you said, there are
other things that we don't think about, you know, the

(49:17):
innocent kids that are being hurt because of being exposed
to this stuff, and you know, the inability to be
able to consent to you were given the analogy of well,
what if it's on an object, a dollar bill or
an aspirint. So I think the president's right on target

(49:41):
on trying to not facilitate that kind of activity coming into.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
The counter, stopping the free flow of it for a
host of different reasons, the economic, the invasion of our border. Christopher,
thank you very much for that. I didn't even pick
up on that part ticular point, but it's a good one.
That's exactly what the president's doing. He's locking the store down,
he's locking our borders down. We shouldn't just sit I
mean that argument is basically, have wide open borders and

(50:10):
allow anything to freely flow in. I provide for the
common defense is one of the first chief tasks of
our elected officials. More a minute came across a really
interesting column over at town Hall. Our colleagues there, I
hope you're there regularly and bookmarked that website, by the way, fantastic.

(50:31):
I do some contribute there myself every now and again.
Larry O'Connor and I join and have conversations there, and
some of the smartest people you're ever going to read
right there and contribute there too, like our next guest,
doctor Jeffrey Degner, who wrote a piece headline boomers wanted grandkids,
the FED helped price them out of existence, Doctor Diagner.

Speaker 11 (50:50):
Mary Christmas, Welcome to the show, sir Mary Christmas. To you, Chris,
thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Before we get into the specifics of this piece and
kind of talk a little little bit about what you do.
I wanted to talk broadly about the work at the
university where you teach, Cornerstone University, for people that don't
know it. I know it's always sort of assumed that
even if you try to homeschool your kids or put
them in a Christian school, you got to send them

(51:18):
off to someone doctrination factory in college, and that's the
only way forward. That's not true.

Speaker 11 (51:24):
No, it's not true, And I'm happy to say here
at Cornerstone University in beautiful Grand Rabids Michigan that the faculty,
staff and leadership here are truly dedicated to delivering a
biblical worldview. That's not just tacking on a couple of
Bible versus at the end of every class session and
asking our students.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
To be nice people out there.

Speaker 11 (51:45):
It's a true integration of Biblical truth into all of
our areas of study. So I like to think of
my field economics, and I have been thinking about a
theology of economics which really starts with a Biblical view
of the human person as being an image bearer, and

(52:06):
that means that people have capacity to evaluate. And we've
also been called to hold dominion over the earth and
to exercise property rights, and that's something that we derive
from the scriptures, what God has to say about who
humans are and what our rights are. We don't buy

(52:27):
into the line that the rights are derived from government fiat,
but rather from our creator. And that's just one of
the foundational principles that a student and family who comes
to Cornerstone would find as a part of their educational experience,
alongside a great student life and vital chapel ministries and
discipleship that are happening here. So I'm very proud to

(52:50):
be a part of Cornerstone and what we've been able
to accomplish here in recent years under the leadership of
our President, doctor Jossan marine Rihanna.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
It's wonderful. And as you teach economics specifically, and you're
the dean of the School of Business and Innovation there,
I think it's always interesting. How does one talk about
faith in terms of economics. I think people always assume
math is devoid of the spiritual right, how do you

(53:20):
talk about it?

Speaker 11 (53:22):
Well, we start with what I just explained, really the
nature of the human person, and we want to approach
economics from the understanding that you really can't even study
economics or exchange or trade without a fundamental understanding of
property rights and of the human's ability to evaluate what

(53:45):
they prefer more or what they prefer less. And so
that's really the foundation of economics. But one of the
early principles that we also touch on, especially in our
macroeconomics courses or our courses on money and banking, is
the Biblical emphasis on equal weights and measures. And we

(54:06):
are currently living under a system of unequal weights and
measures that is really spawned by our federal reserve system
and its member banks, which are able to inflate really
for political purposes, and this has a very detrimental effect
on society as a whole. It of course steals purchasing power,

(54:31):
it harms people on fixed incomes, and in general creates
a culture of haste, consumerism and debt. And this is
not the kind of flourishing that I think the Lord
points us to as Christians. And unfortunately, family life suffers
under these conditions, and that's really one of the main

(54:51):
themes of my research. But we even have course a
course here at Cornerstone in family economics that examines how
all family life has been altered over the decades due
to inflationary FED policies. So that's an area of passion
for me. But it's one that Christian families are concerned
about for their own children and grandchildren, as the article noted,

(55:16):
grandchildren who have not yet come to fruition because of
these conditions.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Doctor Digner is again Jeffrey Degner is the professor and
dean at the School of Business and Innovation Economists as
well at Cornerstone University up there in Michigan. Talking with
Secretary McMahon, a Secretary of Education McMahon. One point seven
trillion dollars, yes, is what college grads are carrying around

(55:40):
right now in college debt. And not all of them grads,
by the way, some of them have didn't finish, but
one point seven trillion in college debt, Doctor Dagner, good grief.

Speaker 11 (55:52):
This is putting a real drag on young people being
able to start their lives and launch their adulthood. And
there's a sociologist that I've referred to a few times.
His last name is Chairlyn, and he has talked about
how over time that marriage has become a capstone experience

(56:15):
of adult life, rather than not to play on the
words of my university, but rather than a cornerstone of
adult life. Really the launching point, and one of the
reasons for ongoing marriage delays in the West and in
the US specifically, is that younger people are carrying debt
loads in their younger years that for prior generations would

(56:36):
have been staggering and shameful at the same time. And
so the student debt picture is just one of those
debt categories that is causing young people to delay marriage
further than they otherwise would. So this is a deep
area of concern for me as I work with young
people who have a desire to get married. It's not
the case that they are eschewing family life, but there

(56:59):
are very real economic obstacles facing them that are different
than what it has been in the past.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And this is part of what you're talking about when
you say the FED has helped price grandchildren for the
boomer generation that wants grandkids and their kids aren't giving
them grandkids. This is but one of the examples why.

Speaker 11 (57:21):
And the FED some of the colloquial languages that they
have a money printer and so on. It's a little
more technical than that, but the essence of what's happened
here is a massive expansion of credit, and that happens
through the banking system, which of course the FED overseas
and encourages this sort of behavior by targeting suppressed interest rates,

(57:43):
so banks will tend to offer more loans and you'll
have more willing recipients to take them out as car loans,
credit card debt, and of course the infamous student loans,
and all of these things are creating a debt culture
that delays me marriage.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And makes.

Speaker 11 (58:02):
Makes looking at the future a little more difficult because
we're having to continually service our debts as a main priority.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
For instance, I interrupt you if anybody knows, if anybody
knows anything about this, you know, if you do a
I don't know, take out a car loan, for instance.
I was stunned to learn that car financing now will
extend out what like, I mean more than a decade
in some cases. I mean you you can take out
loans that just go on in perpetuity for home improvement

(58:32):
projects or cars or anything. Is that your point? Sure?

Speaker 11 (58:36):
And this this really changes us to that debt any
longer timeframe. And this I think, frankly with some of
the pushback against the idea that the President and others
floated a few weeks back about a fifty year mortgage
again extending debt in perpetuity really for your entire life.
And so this, this debt culture is something that is

(58:59):
challengeing family life in ways that we have not seen
in the West.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
What can be done about it? I know, with two
minutes it's probably a little difficult to answer, But what
do you think is the best course of action policy
wise to reverse course here? And do you like Besson,
the Treasury Secretary and the President. Economically speaking going.

Speaker 11 (59:18):
Forward, well, one of my main concerns really is what
the President will do with respect to FED leadership, And
I do have concerns if we're going to see more
of an inflationary sort of FED share come into that office,
and so that debt culture is a main concern. But
I think one of the first steps that can be

(59:40):
taken is for Congress to frankly grow a little bit
of a backbone and exercise its oversight over the FED.
And in the case of housing, which was one of
the main points in the article, is to get the
FED out of the housing game because they actually hold
two trillion dollars in mortgage back securities and that has

(01:00:01):
the effect of keeping and propping up higher and higher
home prices. Now, that benefits current homeowners, but it tends
to block out younger would be owners. And now the
average age of a first time home buyer is forty
years old. That's a staggering statistic that again is a

(01:00:22):
challenge to our younger generations, a challenge to family formation
and certainly to fertility rates among those households. So that
would be one policy measure I think that Congress could
move on quickly is to prohibit the FED from purchasing
mortgage backed securities, and we'll see a little more sanity
restored to the housing market and then to family life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I think doctor Digner, it is a real pleasure to
make your acquaintance. I hope we can continue to lean
on you in twenty twenty six. You're a great thinker, obviously,
and you've written a really smart piece that I hope
people read. Boomers wanted grandkids, the FED helped price them
out of existence. You can find that at town hall
dot com and doctor Jeffrey Digner is at Cornerstone University

(01:01:06):
online on X at Cornerstone you we'll have you back, sir.
Merry Christmas to you. Thanks for your time.

Speaker 11 (01:01:13):
We'd love to join you again, and Merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
By the way, I saw a really interesting piece in
USA Today which I think kind of turns the whole
narrative on its head about young people and why Scott
Bessant remember the thousand dollars investment, the sort of Trump
baby bond, if you will. It's been a rough ride
for many parents, they write at USA today this year,

(01:01:38):
with job losses and inflation that won't go away. But
amid all that, kids have been the bright spot. According
to green Lights Family Money app, in twenty twenty five,
kids and teens up to age seventeen invested more than
seventy million dollars in this app. That's up sixty five
percent from last year, doubling their automated investments. And the

(01:02:01):
average age among this app green Lights Investor average age.
You want to take a guest ed, it's the average
age of kids that start investing with this app. Average age.
Oh jeez, eleven exactly right, twelve twelve years old. So
I'm just telling you there's another generation coming on that
wants the free market to work. That's great news. Okay,

(01:02:24):
thank you. Our telephone number is eight five five stigall
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so far for what you've done. We're getting there with
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I've been praying over this because I set an ambitious
goal with the Fellowship folks that I really want to
hit for these kids. And I know this audience does
to twenty six hundred kids. That's what we're trying to
achieve here. And look, we've got effectively a week left.

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I know we've got more time than that before Christmas,
but I'm calling it next week. By a week from tomorrow,
I'd really like to be there. And the good news
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parents have screwed up. Okay, I stipulate. I had a
caller earlier, you know, talking about self control and whatnot.
This is not about saying or suggesting that people who
have gone to prison are being punished for something ought
not be in prison and punished. This is about having
the grace to know that many of them may be
punished and want to return to their homes and their
family life, and meanwhile they have a child or children

(01:03:57):
at home who are wondering if their parents even thinking
about them. Now. I don't know how you can look
at a child who has a parent who's incarcerated and
think that they deserve anything but a happy Christmas. It
breaks a cycle. We know statistically it breaks a cycle
of violence if you get involved. And the way the

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Prison Fellowship people get involved is not just making sure
a gift ends up in the hands of these kids,
but also a note from their parent. This is the
coolest thing. Someone who's incarcerated has no means to get
a gift to their kid and let the kid know
they're thinking of them. But that's what Prison Fellowship does.
So we're talking about people who really, you know, they
want to we want to extend them grace because they

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want to have a relationship with their child. After the fact,
they're paying for whatever it is they may have done fine,
but this child gets a gift and a note from
their parent that says, I'm thinking about you. Merry Christmas.
But here's the most important part. A Bible comes along
with that gift. You're introducing the Gospel to children in
a home maybe that has never seen anything like it before,

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and it could change fundamentally the entire trajectory of that
child's life. It well could. That's all we're called to
do scripturally is plant the seed. So look, if you
can help me, listen to what this does. Here's a
prison fellowship volunteer, her name is Stacy Campbell, and she
tells about what donors like you can mean to this effort. Listen.

Speaker 15 (01:05:23):
And it was a little boy answered the door and
I said, oh, here's a gift from your dad, and
it was just as oh, he remembered me. And I
think the whole gift kind of fades into the background.
It's that connection and that realization that I belong and
my friends are having Christmas, but I'm having Christmas too.
I'm worthy as a little kid.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
And that's the part that doesn't leave you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yeah, this is not about the parent. This is not
about the incarcerated parent. I had some people say, you know,
when I first heard you talking about this, I was like,
I don't no prisoners. What the hell are you helping prisoners? No,
it's children of prisoners. And by the way, again, it's
not for nothing. But I don't know about you. I
just met a guy last weekend who spent a few
years in prison for a drug issue. He is now clean,

(01:06:10):
newly baptized, and a tremendous father and brother in Christ.
Just talk to this guy last week. So this is
not about people being irredeemable, of course, but this is
about their children who deserve to have a great Christmas.
And I know this audience wants to help. And thirty
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Speaker 7 (01:06:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
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the sooner I get to these twenty six hundred kids,
the sooner i'll I'll shut up about it. But I
can't because this time of year, right, you have a
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(01:07:37):
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their home, it's often difficult to do. What I love
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particular place, with the giant Rockefeller Center Christmas tree towering overhead.
While you're skating, they're playing the music down there, a
little hot chocolate. It just feels Christmas. You get a
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All right, I'm not going to spend a ton of
time on this, but I am going to address it
only because it seemed to be that we're talking about
the fifteenth. I think this number fifteenth, that's a Monday,
if memory serves on the calendar, that's when the turning

(01:13:04):
point USA people feel that they're going to have to
sit down and address all of the allegations that have
been hurled at them viciously by lunatics who are rage
baiting and revelation. You know what I've been saying, the
revelation addiction that they're trying to feed. There is an
audience for it. People are just just hungry for conspiracy

(01:13:27):
and secrets that only that host of that particular show knows.
No solutions again, nothing edifying, nothing uplifting, not offering anything,
just constant question asking and conspiracy that has led to
quite frankly bastardizing the legacy of Charlie Kirk and attacking

(01:13:48):
his widow and by extension, really his parents. So Erica
Kirk now head's turning point, as you know. And she's
more or less stayed out of this, done some ceremonial
things and given a couple of interviews here and there.
But now she's decided to hit the media circuit and
she's gone on tour to speak to these allegations of

(01:14:11):
cover ups or whatever the hell's being alleged. I really
don't even want to dignify all the different things all
I ever get when I bring this up, or notes
from people that say, have you listened to all the
questions that are being asked? No, I don't need to,
because you know what, I could sit here and do
an entire show on questions, like I could just make
up questions. Is that a show? Because if that qualifies

(01:14:31):
as entertainment, I really should start looking at it. Hey,
here's a question tune in tomorrow, and I have a
whole new list of questions. What's the solution, what's the answer?
Are there answers or answers ever given?

Speaker 11 (01:14:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Does anybody care? No, just keep asking the questions. So
poor Erica is now forced as the leader of this organization,
who's got a lot of employees who are now just
taking all kinds of incoming. She's now got to go
out and do this. And so here we go Number
fifty three.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
We will be building the most beautiful memorial for my
husband at Turning Point, USA, and it will be for
the world to see, and it will be spectacular, and
it will have a basically museum style for our Charlie
from my Charlie. But can I have one thing? Can
my babies have one thing where we hold it sacred,
where my husband is laid to rest, where I don't

(01:15:21):
have to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and
destroying my husband's grave. Well, my daughter is sitting there
praying one thing. This is my husband. Yes, he was
Charlie Kirk to the world. And I know so many
people love my husband, and I am grateful for that,
But this is my husband, and I want to be
able to have one thing left that is sacred to

(01:15:45):
our family, to my in laws, to my babies, and
to my parents.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
One thing. What are they taking from you right now? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
But I will tell you what they are doing. It
reminds me so much of Chapter six in the Book
of Nehemiah. He is building a wall, and the townspeople
are at the base of that hill, saying, Nehemiah calling
them all these names, saying all these things, come on down.
Every single time he had the same message, four times

(01:16:18):
in a row. I cannot come down. I am busy building.
That is how I feel. I do not have time
to address the noise. My silence does not mean that
I am complacent. My silence does not mean that somehow
turning point Usa and all of the hand pit staff
that loved my husband and my husband loved them is somehow.

Speaker 14 (01:16:37):
In on it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
We are busy building. And you know what I thought.
I thought these people are human.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
I here again, it's sort of impossible. It's impossible. I
can't even imagine this in the most creative way I could.
I can't imagine wife being murdered. And as a public person,

(01:17:07):
podcasters and the like start building shows off of theories
that I or people affiliated with me strategized my wife's
murder Eddie. I mean, I'm not sure how your wife
has killed God forbid? And then people start saying I
think Eddie killed her on podcasts with absolutely no you know,

(01:17:30):
and then when you say, I beg your pardon, where
would you get that? I'm just asking questions. It's content now.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
It's disappointing, Chris. And the worst part is is that
that content's rewarded. I would never think, you know, producing
for you all these years and the shows that we do,
I would never think to use someone's death to you know,
increase our reach, you know, put out a message.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
That's that's all it is. What is Eddie? That's exactly right,
That's all it is. And I hope, I hope you
people that send me messages like they're just asking questions,
I hope you understand what a useful idiot you're being.
All you're doing. These are perfect strangers to you. Your
investment in their lives, frankly my life. I mean, I

(01:18:19):
love you, I'm glad you're here, but you and I,
many of us don't know one another personally. I like
to earn your trust I'd like to think you end
up coming to enjoy the show and liking me, but
you don't know my head and heart every day. We
don't have a personal friendship necessarily. I mean, I would
love to befriend as many of you as possible someday,
and I hope over the years you get to know

(01:18:40):
me well and trust the show. But the thing is,
these people, Candice On, Frankly Tucker and so many others
like them. Do you think they go home and think
a whit about you? Do you think they care about
the betterment or the direction of the country or that
Do they just care about saying sensational things to get

(01:19:01):
their show's clicks, Because that's their business model, folks, And
if you misunderstand this, you're duped. This is a business model,
pure and simple, and you're being used for a business.
The clicks and the downloads and the listeners are revenue. Now,
it's true, that's the same business I'm in, But I'll
be damned if I'm going to use a widow and

(01:19:24):
the murder of a man to do it. I'm not
doing it. The country is facing too many problems. We
as a culture are facing too many problems. There are
real things before us that we can prove, and we
can debate, and we can discuss. I will not use

(01:19:44):
a widow's grief to boost my download numbers, and shame
on anyone who would. And I tell you I know
this is true because on the same day that Erica
has decided that she goes out and talks, talks to
the media and has to address this stuff, which is unthinkable.
Two months after her husband's murdered, and she now has
to go on a media tour explaining she did anything

(01:20:06):
to do with murdering him. I can't believe we're here.
But that's the power these people have because they have
a bunch of people listening to them, hooked on them again,
like Netflix Revelation Addiction as I've named it, tuning in
for the next episode. She goes on this media blitz
and Shazam, wouldn't you know it? Tucker comes out yesterday

(01:20:30):
talking to the camera and decides, you know, I haven't
said much about Charlie's murder and the questions surrounding it,
but I think now's a good time to start. Interesting timing,
isn't it. Ed The same day Eric has decided to
start defending herself in the organization. He's decided to help
Candace go down the I'm just asking questions. Route Shame
on these people, Shame on them. You cannot be this

(01:20:55):
man's friend and behave this way. You just can't. You
cannot exploit the murder of man and drag his family
and his widow through this and call yourself a friend.
We all know what you're doing. You are in a
cynical download and click business, That's what you're doing. You
don't give an excrement about the kirk family. You don't

(01:21:15):
care about Charlie or his legacy. You don't care about
the future of the country. You openly say you don't
care about who runs Congress anymore. You're a burn it
all down crowd and if you can get clicks and
count your money while you're doing it, that's all you care.
But I'll say this much, as I said yesterday on
social media. If the widow of Charlie and Charlie's parents

(01:21:39):
aren't running around screaming about cover ups, if they're confident
that this is being investigated and prosecuted competently and adequately,
who the hell is anyone you, me, or any of
these people pretending to have the real secret behind the story.
Who are any of us to question it. I'm going

(01:22:02):
to follow the direction of his widow and his parents.
If they say there's a problem, then I'll come here
and address it. Otherwise I follow their lead. Great to
be with you. Looking at Christmas time in Italy. On
the Salem News Channel, we have cameras all over the
place roving about. Take a look at it. If you
haven't watched the Salem News Channel, I hope that you will.

(01:22:24):
I still haven't. I might have to open the phones
for some television purchase recommendations because I'm starting to get overwhelmed.
I go into different stores to look at them. I'm
still looking at walls of televisions trying to figure out
which one to buy, and everyone's got an opinion and
I'm just not sure. Again, I want one of those
Samsung TVs with the Samsung TV Plus speachure so that
we can keep the Salem News Channel on at the house,

(01:22:47):
But I don't know which Samsung product to buy. Ed
I'm a little tortured by it. Now. I thought you
did take a liking to the anti glare. I did, Yeah,
I did that, stupid guy I got in my head
calling it stupid, and now I feel like I've wasted
my time or something like I shouldn't waste my money.

(01:23:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:23:08):
I feel like Chris, we watched the NFL what some
news right Salem News Channel. I feel like you don't
need this guy in particular said true black if that's
really important to you, Okay, but I don't think you're
a true black guy. I think you're like, just give
me a darn good picture and a great deal.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
You're right, it's it's pretty much news, maybe some football
and Family Guy reruns. That's about the sum total of
my television watching. Otherwise, I try to try to do
other more productive things, so I probably don't need the
hyphalutant nonsense that he recommends. Let's go to maybe in Ohio. Hey,
maybe I'm glad you called good.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Morning, Good morning. I've been off the grid for because
it's advent and I heard this morning. Erica Kirk is amazing.

Speaker 14 (01:23:59):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
I was in tears watching her at that especial event
after Charlie's murder. But whatever has gotten into Candace Owens
and Tucker Carlton, Chris, all I can say is they
have allowed themselves to be taken over by Satan and
his minions. They are just dark hearted, they're sick. They

(01:24:23):
I don't know what else to say, and I'm holding
back Tiers. I feel so badly for Erica and her
family that she has to fight off these They're just
they're sick. That's all I can say. Chris, I feel
so badly for her. But that's I think it for
playing that I've been off to Grant. Like I said,

(01:24:43):
it's advent tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Yeah, you're better for it. Maybe that's where you should
spend your time, truly, and I hear your passion. Look,
I don't know. Here's the thing. There's such a personality,
a cult of personality investment now in Tucker and Kansas.
I find that strange. I mean, I mean, I would want
that this audience. I love you, I love that you're here.

(01:25:06):
I would want that you trust the show and enjoy
the show, and to the extent that we know on
another that you I don't know if the word is
care about Maybe that's too strong a word, but I
hope you enjoy it. I miss when I'm not here
with you. But the level of investment by some in

(01:25:29):
the personalities and the people of Tucker and Candace is
alarming to me. It's weird. It's become cultish, like you
would want people to be as invested in the Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ as invested as some of them
are in Tucker and Candace. And I don't say that.
I can hear it right now. Oh, you're just jealous.
To God, No, I'm not. God bless America. This is
a competitive business. It always has been. I totally understand it.

(01:25:54):
But because I understand it, I also understand the levels
people will go to to keep people hooked on their shows.
And when you know you have a president that's on
offense and you have a Republican Congress, and people aren't
particularly interested in discussing that. They want the conflict. They
want the juice of the conflict. They want the revelation, addiction,

(01:26:17):
they want the hit. They're people willing to feed it.
I don't know what motivates it, but I guess it's
the wallet. When it comes to Cabinet secretary is under
President Donald Trump, this one probably one of our favorites.
It's hard to choose. I mean, look, whenever she shows
up on the stump people rave about her just as

(01:26:37):
much as they went crazy for Bessent this week. She's
a star in her own right. She's Lynda McMahon, Secretary
of Education and joins us together this morning, Madam's Secretary.
Good to have you back.

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
Thank you so much, Chris, it's good to be back.
Normally when I'm talking to you, I'm on the road,
but I happen to be sitting in my office this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Listen. I don't want to. You come from the background
of show, so you appreciate this. I don't want to.
I don't want to stoke any friendly rivalry here. But
did you see the reception Bessent got this week on
the stump in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 8 (01:27:06):
I know he's awesome. He should get standing o's everywhere
he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I love it. I just you know you deserve them too,
because what you guys are doing at the Department of
Ed I'm telling you education is going to be the
way to save kids in the future of this country.
So I just don't I don't want him overshadowing you.

Speaker 8 (01:27:23):
He won't, I tell you. And the President also, I
believe one of Donald Trump's main accomplishment self when he
has finished this term will be that he will also
be known as the education President. He is so devoted
to making sure that our kids get the best education
in the country that it's not focused and centered in Washington,
d C. That is in their states, closest to their

(01:27:45):
parents and their teachers, and because that's where education needs
to be, curriculum developed for communities and states. He's just
clearly on the right track to raise the level of
education across the country.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Am I being Pollyanna and overly optimistic here? Or am
I interpreting that the hard left and the teacher union
types have kind of laid down their arms and acquiesced
and realized that the public is no longer with them
on this issue of command and control centralized education. It doesn't.
I remember there was great consternation early in President Trump's

(01:28:21):
first term here in the first of the year, with
you guys making cuts at the at the Department of Ed.
But it seems to have gone away. That's my impression.
Am I wrong?

Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
Well, for now there isn't as much for you and
cry against what we're doing. I think because the issue
of school choice, and let me digress. I think the
very first thing when the President basically was sworn in
was the fact that we got our NATE scores, which

(01:28:49):
are the national report card scores for our eighth grade
and fourth graders, and the fact that only, you know,
thirty percent of them could read proficiently. It was just
such a bell ringer moment to know how far down
education was in our country, and the President just launched

(01:29:10):
into this program of this is not acceptable. We cannot
be seen not only what we see across the country,
but also where we fall on international rankings in terms
of our education. We're doing something definitely wrong and it
has to stop and it has change. And I think
there's very little argument at this point from teachers' perspectives,

(01:29:33):
because I'll tell you, teachers, I believe, I think teachers
the most noble profession we have in our country, and
I believe that our teachers want to be allowed to teach.
When they are allowed to teach their innovative in their classrooms,
they're interacting with their students, they're not teaching to test,
they're not teaching to a bureaucratic curriculum that might have

(01:29:55):
been tried to be dictated on a national basis, and
all of that boat it's well for our students.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Secretary Linda McMahon of Education joins us this morning, let
me pivot to the student loan issue. Obviously, there are
a lot of people battling with them. I think there
are a lot of people, frankly, that look in the
rearview mirror of taking out tens of thousands of dollars
and wishing they hadn't for degrees that haven't really proved fruitful.
What would you tell someone today, I have two sons,

(01:30:23):
one's twenty, one's nineteen. One's going off to school actually
this fall. What would you tell kids like him? Should
I take out student loans, Madam Secretary for my degree?
You would say what?

Speaker 8 (01:30:34):
Well, I would say, look at what the cost, the
real cost of that education is going to be. And
one of the things that we have just accomplished here
at the Department of Education is the revamp of the
FAST Program, which is the student loan application process. It
was broken under the Biden administration. We took it on here.

(01:30:57):
We've absolutely revamped it and now there is a sex
which is just previewed and will now be part of
the new application process that will show you what the
cost of that education is going to be what the
typical earnings are for that profession and how much is
going to cost you to go to the colleges that

(01:31:18):
you have listed on your form that you want these
results sent to. So therefore you have some degree of
understanding of what kind of income you would have to have,
you know, to you know, to pay off your debt.
So it lets parents and students know this is the
degree of debt that you're going to be involved in,

(01:31:40):
and for the first time, I think it's like codifying
it for students and parents to look at and say, Wow,
this is going to be a lifetime payback or whatever
it's going to be. You know, we have about one
point seven trillion dollars of student debt and I think
I think that's unconscionable. The rates at universities are so high,
and part of what we are hoping to do as

(01:32:02):
part of the Presence administration is to start getting these
costs down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
The Secretary of Education with is Lenda bing Mann. Is
there any avenue to take student loaned at that one
point seven trillion dollars in restructure in a way? Maybe,
I'm sure you and maybe Treasury Secretary Beston who we
just mentioned I was kind of joking, but do you
think there's a creative way that that could be rolled
into home lending to help students kind of manage it
in a different way, maybe through the private sector. Is

(01:32:28):
there something creative that can be done there to kind
of signal to young people that may feel a little
disaffected Right now, I can tell you, guys, creative way
to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:32:37):
I'm sorry interrupt. One of the first conversations that Scott
and I had, even before either of us was sworn
in and just having conversations and I talked about student
loans and how it could be restructured. Part of what
you were saying, is there some private sector involvement that
you could make sense? But one of the things we've

(01:32:57):
done here in the department already is re institute did
UH as part of the One Big Beautiful Bill. There
is now a very simple, one way payback system for
student loans, not all of this mishmash of different programs
that uh UH the former administration had put into place
and just kept the entire community, you know, in a

(01:33:20):
stir because they weren't really sure if their loans are
going to be forgiven or not forgiven, and why should
they pay. So we you know, we weren't collecting any
loans during almost there the entirety of Divide administration. But
we have started that program back and so for loans
that were you know, in default, we have now collected

(01:33:40):
almost a billion dollars you know, in repayments back. And
so that's a little bit off point of what you
were asking, but it is to show that there is
now some fiscal responsibility that is being attached to the program.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
But my.

Speaker 8 (01:33:56):
What what Secretary Vessent and I really have talked about
is really how to restructure with more of the private
sector involvement for lending students. This should not be a
program that's really on the backs of taxpayers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Full time, for sure. Boy, I hope you can figure
that out together. I certainly have some thoughts, not that
you asked, but I will tell you that I think
that's a winner if you can reach young people with that. Look,
we're coming up on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
of this country, and I know you care about that.
I know President Trump cares about that. You've got a
very interesting initiative going on right now called History Rocks.

(01:34:33):
I want to talk about that with you.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
Well, we've had now three History Rocks tours. We started
in Pennsylvania, and we were in Delaware. We wound up
in New Jersey. This was just last week. It is
really the most fun. We've gone into a primary and
a middle school with the program. We do a little

(01:34:56):
contest with some civics questions after, you know, some commentary
and explanation of what it means to be, you know,
having the biggest birthday coming up in fact one principle said,
you know, ask the students in the audience, he said,
how many have you love a big birthday party? And
we all raised their hand. He said, well, we're coming
up on the biggest birthday party in our country are

(01:35:17):
two hundred and fiftieth celebration, And it's just amazing and
the response that we're getting everybody loves History Rocks and
this Road Independence Tour, which we talk about the decoration
of Independence, what it meant to the country. I mean,
we start with very patriotic themes, that Pledge of Allegiance,

(01:35:38):
the National Anthem, imagine such radical thoughts and it really
is I think a good way to reconnect the young
people of our country with the patriotism that I think
we've lost a great deal across the country. I mean
when I saw a survey that said only about forty

(01:35:59):
one percent of eighteen to twenty nine year olds loved
their country, and I thought, wow, how can that be?
And I think it's because they don't know their country.
So this tour that we are doing in combination with
about forty different other coalitions who will bring, you know,
some of the artifacts from museums, They will be giving speeches,

(01:36:22):
and I will be able to be on a lot
of these programs across the States. I just think it's
to rev up again the interest and the knowledge of
civics in our country and how we began and what
was sacrificed in order for our country to be what
it is today. And I think it's incredibly important and
it will culminate, you know, in DC next year around

(01:36:45):
the fourth of July, when we're going to have this
incredible celebration. In conjunction with this tour, there is the
president seventeen seventy six contests that's will be happening a
little bit like a spelling bee across the country and
the winners, you know, they'll first, you know, win, you know,
local and then states and districts and come to DC

(01:37:07):
and they're quite quite handsome prizes for the winners.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
In the end.

Speaker 8 (01:37:11):
So it's all about generating again interest in our country,
love of country civics education, which is absolutely not taught
in schools anymore, and so this is also to bring
light on that and to make sure that included in
the curriculum. We're encouraging states and cities and districts to

(01:37:32):
make sure that it is part of the education of
our young people.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Madam Secretary, We're always grateful for your time, thanks for
the work you're doing for the future of young people
in this country. And Merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 8 (01:37:43):
Thank you so much. The same to you, Chris.

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cooks when young men were dropping dead after taking that
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Speaker 16 (01:39:05):
These are data reports that came in during the Biden
administration where a doctor or a parent said that their
kid died immediately after getting the COVID vaccine, and they
believe that there was a link. So the FDAIGHT did
its own investigation, and this was all during the Biden administration,
but they suppressed that data.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
It was never made public.

Speaker 16 (01:39:26):
And so do we have a moral obligation to make
that information public. I believe we do, but we need
to verify the information first to make sure it's accurate.
It's known, and it's been known that young kids have
died from the COVID vaccine. We're not trying to create
hysteria or scare anybody out of taking any vaccine, but.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
You've got to be honest.

Speaker 16 (01:39:46):
Young kids are at high risk of myocard idis. Older
individuals are at lower risk of myocarditis from the vaccine,
and we've seen the COVID shot reduced the severity of
illness in older Americans back in twenty twenty at the
end of Operation Warp Speed. It was a good match
at the time for the virus of its circulating, there
was low levels of natural immunity in the population, and

(01:40:08):
it saved lives. But when it comes to mandating this
vaccine today in young, healthy individuals, as the Biden administration does,
we want schools to know that. Well, first of all,
you cannot mandate this vaccine now, given the changes that
we've done, but we want people to know that it's
not a one thousand percent safe. There have been some
reports that are concerning.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Oh, I guess it just took the right amount of
study and the right amount of messengers to figure that out.
So all of us who were told we were kooks,
all of us who were told that young people had
to get the shot, everybody had to get the shot,
get the shot, get the shot. It didn't work, and
in some cases it killed kids. There's a special place

(01:40:51):
in hell for people that pushed that on the American
public at large. Without question, there is a special place
in hell for that. Get over it. I will never
forgive it. And the idea that there were Americans in
this country, including your host, who at one point either
faced job loss, did experience job loss, and a business

(01:41:13):
shuttered or was threatened with it. The idea that any
of us were held hostage by that stupid shot, that
unscientific shot, that unscientific mask wearing. What an outrage. I
hope this country never ever loses its righteous anger over
that era. Never ever listen. I'll close on a happy note.

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