Jingle Bells Is Racist, You Know?

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Blue state governors, this is interesting. Are trying to block
the no tax on tip benefit that many are going

(02:59):
to be receiving in twenty twenty six. Democrats want us
to believe they care about the little guy. Writes Matt Margolis,
Democrats want us to believe they care about the working class,
the average American, and yet somehow their policies always seem
to hurt the people they claim to help and enrich
the elites who fund their campaigns. On the campaign trail

(03:21):
last year, President Trump proposed no tax on tips. That
happened in the No Big Beautiful or One Big Beautiful Bill.
As I know you remember Scott bessont issuing a blistering
statement this week that exposed how far these blue states
will go to block relief simply because it came from
Donald Trump. Besson described the One Big Beautiful Bill the

(03:42):
most pro worker, pro family legislation in a generation. The
law put real money back into the hands of people
who actually earn it. No tax on tips for servers
and bartenders and the like. No tax on overtime for
linemen and factory workers, a badly needed deduction for seniors
who are on Social Security, concrete victories for people, many

(04:05):
of whom live paycheck to paycheck. You know, k Newt
said that if Republicans don't get a big win with
the economy next year, they're cooked. The economy is the
only thing that's going to save the Republicans bacon next year.
I think it's coming. Besson keeps saying it's coming. I
think this one big, beautiful bill, and what we're talking
about with the no taxes on tips and overtime social security,

(04:26):
I think people come tax time are going to see
tremendous benefit all suggestions. Even the FED chair who hates
Donald Trump's guts says we're trending toward a better economy.
Yet Democrat governors of Colorado, New York, Illinois, and DC
decided their residents should not share the same wins. Bessent
called their defiance a blatant act of political obstructionism. Says

(04:48):
their states are deliberately blocking their own residents from his
receiving historic benefits at the state level. He laid out
the consequences in plain terms. Governors and legislators in these
states a squeezing families harder and taking more from workers.
It is a calculated move. Democrat leaders know that no
tax on Tip's provision is immensely popular with the very

(05:10):
voters they claim to represent. They know overtime workers deserve
a break. They know seniors deserve every bit of relief
they can get They just can't bring themselves to acknowledge
that Trump delivered, and so they're choosing to punish their
own residents to resist Trump. Besson's warning makes the stakes clear.
The partisan stonewalling is a direct assault on the very

(05:31):
families and workers liberal politicians, claimed Champion. He challenged the
governors to drop their political political games. Will they I
have my doubts, rights Marc garlos a to PG media.
The radical base of the party wanted to shut down
the country, and they did, regardless of the pain it caused.
Besson added that the Treasury stands ready to work with

(05:51):
any state that wants to deliver relief, but he also
issued a sharp reminder the administration will not tolerate policies
that drag down the national recovery. Message landed with force.
This fight is about fairness and opportunity. It is about
putting America's Americans first. It is a gamble. I doubt
they will win again. No tax on tips became the

(06:14):
law of the land, and Democrats now are attempting to
derail it and stiming it. And we will see and
specifically you guys that are living in New York, You
guys that are living in Colorado and Illinois and DC.
Your governors, your leaders are trying to stop that from
taking place in twenty twenty six, and it's worth paying

(06:36):
attention to Ingrich saying, as I said yesterday, the GOP
in real trouble if the economy doesn't recover. Look, I
think it's pretty straightforward. If the economy recovers, as I
think it will, he said, Republicans will keep the House
and increase their margin in the Senate. No thanks to
the Indiana Republicans, though, what the hell happened there in
the Hoosier state yesterday? Did you hear about it? Twenty

(07:01):
of them? It appears, I think I read? Is that right?
The final count on that some twenty members of the Senate.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
In Illinois, twenty one legal age, twenty one Republicans.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
After the House Chamber in Indiana passed the redistricting map,
it went to the Senate, and twenty one of these
sobs said no, and sand bagged it and thwarted it.
And so rather than Indiana losing two Democrat seats and
picking up two Republican seats, everything stays status quo. So
Indiana Republican senators, twenty one of them, we have their

(07:38):
names all decided to shut this down. Now, why might
that be ed? Can you see any rational reason why
twenty one Indiana Republican senators would decide to stymy the
growth of two seats in the House of Representatives for Republicans.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Chris is either pack money at work, like dark pack money,
or some of these people are worried about their seats,
or they're worried that after Trump, the Republicans are going
to lose in perpetuity. I don't I guess it's one
of those three things. Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Infuriating?

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
No, ID A lot of people say there were political
deals made here. It's unfortunate because with those two seats,
you were talking about a full dozen Republican seats now
not every state. There are still more on the docket.
You know, Texas has done its part, very high profile,
Missouri has. I'm trying to remember there was another. I
think that's done it, and there are a few more

(08:31):
mathematically to get to the twelve. But the two of
the twelve now aren't going to happen because of twenty
one Republicans in the Indiana Senate yesterday. And suffice it
to say they have stirred a hornet's nest. Everybody from
Don Junior and I saw a lot of high profile
Republicans and or Conservatives and or magotypes that were pledging

(08:53):
that they were going to spend all their resources in
time barnstorming Indiana to primary these Republican senators in the
legislature there. Clearly don't break Yeah, they don't seem to
be afraid of it. We'll see. We'll see ultimately if
the Republicans nationally, the MAGA national movement, we'll be able
to infiltrate Indiana and give these Republicans. By the way,

(09:16):
the governor of Indiana came out yesterday and said he's
disappointed and he will help Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans
primary all twenty one of these Republican senators in the
legislature in Indiana. So we'll watch it. Meanwhile, Bank of
America Business Banking President and co head Sharon Miller was

(09:37):
giving a talk on small business optimism. I thought this
was interesting from Fox Business. Small business optimism ticked higher
in the month of November despite economic uncertainty and challenges.
Get this, you ready finding suitable workers in the labor market?
Have you heard much about this. I think this is

(10:01):
very interesting. The small business optimism index has increased, and
small businesses are expecting real sales to be hire. Although
optimism has increased, small business owners are still frustrated by
the lack of workers. Despite this, most firms still plan

(10:22):
to create new jobs in the new future. Small business
owners were focused on labor quality as the single most
important problem. Twenty one percent of small business owners cited
labor as their top concern in November. Owners have been
frustrated by the lack of workers available to fill their
open position. Job openings were above the historical average all year.

(10:45):
Compensation has increased, but few new workers were actually hired.
And this look, I'm not one of these guys that's
telling you that the economy or people struggling or whatever
is a hoax. Affordability as a hoax, I don't. I
never really liked that messaging. I have questioned whether it's
legitimate or not anecdotally, and this Small Business report continues

(11:07):
to drive home an unusual truth. I'm hearing this quite
a bit. While it is true that there have been
many many layoffs this year, a quarter of them, I
remind you, are from government. And while again We don't
wish ill to anybody that was making a living off
of the federal government's dole here, but we're just talking

(11:29):
about taxpayer money. So twenty five percent of the layoffs
this year have come as the savings to taxpayers broadly. Sorry,
don't mean to talk about you that way if that
was your salary. But that's different than a job created
in the private sector. Government makes nothing. Jobs that are
created by government are paid by taxpayers. That is made
in a bubble, in a vacuum. That is not the

(11:50):
real economy. So calling government workers the economy is, you know, effectively,
it's like ringing up a credit card in your house
and calling it your income, like a credit card is income. Effectively,
that's just not true. You've got to have outside sources
of income, and that's outside employment, private sector jobs. Now,

(12:12):
there have been big layoffs in the private sector and
more to come. We know that artificial intelligence, particularly with
white collar sector workers middle management types, we know that's coming.
It's a big problem. Again. It's why President Trump's tariff policies,
which by the way, are raking in a ton of money.
I'll get to that in a second. Trump's tariff's policies
are trying to enshore as much business as fast as possible,

(12:35):
because he knows coming soon in the next few years
is going to be a big slaughter of middle management
type jobs. There's going to be a lot of people
wandering around looking for work. But but I continue to
puzzle at the fact that small business owners cannot fill
their job openings. Now, why is that anybody stopped and

(12:59):
asked it? Trades people, small business people. There's a lot
of jobs opening and good paying jobs, but nobody seems
to either want to take them or qualified to do it.
More in a minute, the Senate majority leader in Indiana,
I tell you what. This guy was fired up yesterday.
His name is Chris Garton. And after these twenty one

(13:20):
Republican turncoachs thwarted the redistricting map to give Republicans two
more seats in the legislature in Washington, d C. He
lit him up number seventy.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Some will say these maps are political.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
Let me be clear, right, they are.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
Political.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Policy is political. Safe streets are political. Look at Indianapolis.
Affordable electricity is political. A drug free Indiana is political.

Speaker 9 (14:00):
Peace in the Middle East is political. I dealt with it.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Firsthand. If drawing a map that secures two more seats
for the Republican Party means that we continue to see
the overdose deaths dropped by twenty percent, then I'll draw
that map every single day of the week and twice
on Sunday. If drawing a map means that we'll continue
to see at ninety three percent drop in illegal immigration,

(14:28):
and I'll sign it with a smile on my face.
We're not here to be neutral arbiters of decline. We're
here to be active agents.

Speaker 9 (14:39):
Of American greatness.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
So the capital of Indiana was hijacked twenty one Republicans
were bought off or were always Democrats, I don't know.
I remind you this is where the former Vice President
of the United States came from. So Indiana much like Kansas.
The state of Kansas is full Republicans, like these two.
So it is Pennsylvania. There are some states who have
read legislatures and the Republicans. You would have no idea

(15:09):
if you actually saw them both they were Republicans at all.
It is a real problem in Indiana. I must confess
I didn't know a lot about the Indiana legislature until yesterday.
But it does not shock me. This is certainly the
case in Pennsylvania. I know it is certainly the case.
It always seems like it's Senate, the Senate body, the
Senate chambers, whether it is in Washington or whether it

(15:30):
is in the state House. It always seems that the
Senate chambers are the ones that are full of a
bunch of stuffy Republican light rhino types who are mostly Democrats.
I don't know why, but Sally's in Cleveland, she wants
to talk about it. Sally, good morning, Welcome to open
Line Friday. Hello.

Speaker 10 (15:48):
It is even in the red state of Ohio, we
have difficulties with our legislature, and I was outraged to
hear about Indiana. It just seems like as soon as
things start having some negative publicity, like you know, we're
fighting to you know, the affordability issue, there's a lot

(16:13):
of turncoats that just won't support the mega.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
What they what they have said, they.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
The agenda, Yeah, I won't do it. There's a new
super pack out there called Fair Maps Indiana Action. They
have announced their intention to spend seven figures ahead of
the primaries to support lawmakers in favor of this redistricting
to punish those who oppose it. There will be a
lot of money pouring Indiana, Indiana into Indiana. Wow, it's

(16:42):
hard to say ahead of these primaries next year, So
we'll see. It's a shame. Maybe not a surprise, but
a shame wontament. By the way, a couple of people
ask me, STI go, I don't understand. You said that
there were states blue states that were going to stop
no tax on tips. How is that exactly? Well, at
the federal level, you should know this if you don't,

(17:04):
particularly those of you who live in Colorado and New York.
This is what frosts me so much, folks. Is I
keep hearing that Republicans aren't doing enough. Republicans aren't doing enough,
and there are Democrats who are actively trying to stemy
your benefit things like no tax on tips, no tax

(17:24):
on overtime. You have to pass this at the state
level as well. So the no tax on Tips provision,
to be specific, allows eligible service workers to deduct up
to twenty five grand in tips from their federal income,
so it will reduce their federal tax But at the
state level, most states use the federal as a starting

(17:48):
point for their state taxes. The federal tax rate. So
since the federal tip deduction doesn't change the state level,
tips are considered taxable income at the state level. So
to exempt at the state level, states have to pass
their own legislation to compliment. You see what's done at
the federal level. And this is what Besson is so

(18:09):
ticked off about. And he's telling these Democrat governors and
Democrat legislatures they got to fight on their hands. If
they're going to stand in the way of giving people relief,
why aren't states conforming revenue loss? Some states can't afford
to lose the tax revenue from tips. Shocker, Illinois, New York, Washington,

(18:29):
d C. They just can't do without their steady flow
of taxpayer money. Now I know because I have family
in Illinois. Ain't nobody in Illinois saying they don't have
enough money. It's how it's spent. And then, of course,
ultimately it's about politics. Democrats run the show that Donald
Trump is doing something that is tremendously popular and populist,

(18:51):
and they're not going to allow him the victory. So
Molly Hemingway said something interesting last night. She's a very
sober ont conservative commentator, and you know, I sit up
and take notice when she says something smart. Seventy nine here,
if you would please, PAULI listen.

Speaker 11 (19:09):
It's very smart of Donald Trump to focus on this issue.
Over the course of the next year, Poles repeatedly show
that this is the affordability and economic issues in general
are a top concern for voters in a way that
they aren't a top concern for people in Washington, d c.
Who might be more focused on foreign policy or other things.

(19:29):
Donald Trump's first term was good on this front, and
he had a very solid economy heading into the COVID crisis,
and he's repeating some of that, including his deregulatory approach
to help the economy grow. But there is a difference
between all of these metrics and some of the concerns
that Americans have, which can relate to, for instance, the
ability to purchase a home. And so he's doing well,

(19:53):
but he needs to stay focused on it as well.

Speaker 12 (19:55):
It'd be had to turn the housing market around very quickly.
It's haughtd to really really reach use healthcare cost very
very quickly. That's probably not going to happen. So it's
a balancing act. If you had to make a forecast,
you think it will fly.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Putting money in people's focus, will that fly?

Speaker 12 (20:13):
Will that result in the Republicans keeping the House in
next November?

Speaker 11 (20:18):
I think it will help Republicans quite a bit, but
they have a situation of also not having accomplished much
in Congress. Donald Trump seems concerned about the health of
the Republican Party. The members of Congress and the leadership
of Congress should be doing that as well. And a
lot of Donald Trump's economic policy is about long term change,
about changing the way that manufacturing is done, making sure

(20:38):
that the supply chain is more home based. That's going
to take some time. So Congress needs to give voters
and other reasons to vote Republican as well, and thus
far it's not been the most impressive.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, So Molly's take on this is it's not Trump
that's letting people down, and it's not Trump that people
are ticked that. And by the way, he again remind
you this week, his approval ratings are higher than Bush
and Obama in their second terms at this point, so
that seems to track. She says, it's House Republicans that
don't look like they're doing much. Now again, I think

(21:13):
you could probably blame the Senate a little more than
the House. And I'm no fan of congressional Republicans. I'm
not trying to make excuses for them. But since the
one big beautiful bill that seems to be about the
sum total of it, but it's and I know it
doesn't matter, it's perception. So I'm not whining here, but ed,
it wasn't the Republicans that shut the government down for
forty days. It's not the Republicans that are keeping certain

(21:34):
people from getting their taxes on tips reduced at the
state level. It's the Democrats that are standing in the
way of a lot of this.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
And so.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I know it's impossible to run around whining the Democrats
won't let us work. That doesn't work. People don't like that,
But there is some truth to it.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
There is, But I don't know how you get that
through two voters, to any kind of voters, whether it
be people who are invested as politics as we are,
whether left or the center, or just the average Joe
watching TV every morning or watching the NFL give Like,
how do you tell that person that, oh, my gosh,
did you see what the Democrats tried to do when
shutting down the government for as long as they did,
longest in history.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
There is apparently this perception that if one party is
in control of everything, they should control everything and get
their way and get their will and just run rough
shot over any kind of minority and just rubber stamp,
rubber stamp, rubber stamp and get an agenda through not accurate.
Democrats are suffering with the same impatience from their side.
By the way, But I go back to this small
business story. Small business optimism is on the rise, and

(22:33):
small businesses are out there begging for people to come
take jobs. So, ed, I don't understand this, help me
with it. I don't. It doesn't jive. I keep hearing
people are bummed out affordability, people are ticked off, people
are losing their jobs. Oh ooh, gloom and doom and
despair and agony on me. Oh, and then small business
comes along and says, we're pretty excited and we actually

(22:55):
want to expand jobs. We can't find anybody to do it,
so can you help me with that?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I maybe in a small business you don't get the
opportunity to work remotely as they say. That was a
huge thing that popped up over the past five years,
and there there are a lot of people. I'm just saying,
there are a lot of people that really enjoy working
from home.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
So yeah, as we start talking about layoffs of middle
manager types, white collar types, you know, the guys that
set their email to respond, sorry, I'm traveling this week,
I won't be in the office. Those guys exactly. Those
guys lose their jobs. They don't want to go take
a small business job that's right where they got to
show up and report for duty or maybe do stuff

(23:39):
that they didn't have to do in their corner office
or whatever. Is that what we're talking about. Is that
what's happening at.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Pretty much, Chris, you can't you can't solve There are
things in small business that you cannot solve on a
team meeting, and I think that could be part of
the problem.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
So let me ask you this. If this economy ends
up shifting away from the c suite, the corporate office,
the middle level manager, the guy in the cubicle, you
know with his emailing and the teams meeting in the zooms,
maybe that lifestyle is going by the wayside, and the
jobs that will exist are going to be more physical
and present and in the place and maybe not as sexy,

(24:12):
and maybe it won't afford you the ability to, as
you say, work remotely and the other things. Maybe that's
where the economy is headed. And what do we do
with that? Does that mean people have to change their
minds and attitudes about what work is and what work
looks like and what an average day of work looks
like and how to earn a liv It isn't that
people can't earn a living, It's that people don't choose
to earn a living the way they could earn a
living right now? Is that it? And how do you

(24:32):
talk about that?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
If so, I don't know how to talk about it,
but I mean you hit on it during COVID that
the just the monumental shift. The way of thinking, the
way of doing things has completely changed, and that has
happened across.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
The board with a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
There's people who say that putting in that kind of
time in an office or being present physically to collaborate
is not worth it to them. They'd rather, you know,
I'd rather be able to see my family, do things
from home, take out the dog, whatever.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I just think that what is true, what is actually
happening and what is being sold to me. It continues
to come more and focus that there is a reality
on the ground of what's real and then what you're
being told, what has imagined and what is since versus
what's physically actually happening. Caroline Levitt does not like revisionist history.

(25:26):
She dotted Caitlin Collins of CNN between the eyes on
it yesterday, number seventy two on inflation.

Speaker 13 (25:34):
But inflation is down from where it was as measured
by the overall CPI. It has slowed to an average
two point five percent base. This is down from what
the president inherited and to the president inherited two point
nine percent in January. Today it's at about two point
five percent. So we're trending in the right direction with
more to coom and I would remind you when President
Trump left office in his first term, inflation was one

(25:54):
point seven percent, and the previous administration jacked it up
to a record high nine percent. Again in ten months,
the President has caught us out of this hole. He's
kept it low at two point five percent, and we
believe that number is going to continue to decline, especially
as energy and oil prices continue.

Speaker 9 (26:10):
To decline as well.

Speaker 13 (26:11):
Maybe it wasn't mind or bid, and they're just saying
it's not fully.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
The way, and that's good. I just pulled up to
the gas pump this morning. It's as low as it's
been in months. I mean, I don't remember the last
time I saw a price on a gallon of gas
as low as it is right now. Not for nothing.
Number seventy eight over at CNBC talking about the trade

(26:34):
deficit coming in lower than expected because of get this tariffs.

Speaker 14 (26:40):
Minus fifty two point eight billion. That's a better lower
trade deficit than we expected. We were looking for a
number closer to sixty two billion, and that follows they
revised minus fifty nine billion. Minus fifty two billion would
be the lightest, going back to wow, we're really going back, Well,

(27:02):
my records go back to nineteen ninety two, and to
find a smaller number than minus fifty two billion, we're
all the way back to June of twenty twenty two
hundred and thirty six thousand is initial jobless claims.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
The US trade deficit and goods and services narrowed more
than ten percent from August to September as the Trump
administration's tariffs continued to weigh on trades as the New
York Times, but imports grew, the trade deficit shrank, and
you heard Santelli there say you got to go back

(27:41):
to ninety two for numbers. This good. So look, perceptions, perception,
and there's nothing you can do about perception except try
to change it. President Trump, as we've chronicled this week,
is going to go out on the campaign trail with
Bessen and try to tell folks it's not as bad
as they're telling you it is. Hang on, you know,
the the fact of the matter is, if perception is

(28:02):
the problem, and it seems to be, I think I've
concluded that it's really about perception, less reality and more
perception that things suck, it's probably housing ed, wouldn't you guess.
I think the fastest surefire way to change perception on
the ground for Republicans is to do something about housing
renters versus houses being purchased. You think.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think it absolutely is, because it's a clean issue
where they completely own the Democrats on because Democrats do
want you renting, They do want the home ownership to.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Them cloistered, consolidated to fifteen minute cities.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's what they want, and they push it and their
people love it, especially the extreme part of their parties,
so that housing yes is something that the Democrat or
the Republicans can truly win on because they believe in
homeownership for people.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Affordability of homes is not a hoax. I mean, affordability
of homes is a problem. I think affordability across the
bar is not necessarily true. I don't think there's bread lines.
There's jobs. We're losing jobs, but there are jobs to
be found. It's not people are not wandering around with
ten pans, you know, begging for food. If they want
to work, there's work to be found. I don't think
that's it. I don't think that's real. But I do

(29:16):
think somebody being able to script together enough money for
a down payment on a homemaker and afford that is
a real problem. And there's a fix. And may I
the stigall plan. I mean, I don't want to toot
my own horn, but it's an easy, easy fix. It's
right there. It's a fat pitch over the middle. Nobody
has told me why it wouldn't work. If you're not
familiar with it, buy and large, the overly simplified way

(29:37):
to put this is, you take free market people. You
take people in the private sector who have some money
and some wealth, let them invest in home lending. Give
let the tax code work to the advantage of wealthy
people who could underwrite lending for those who want to
get into a home for the first time at a
low interest rate loan courtesy of wealthy people in this

(30:00):
who make a little, maybe not a ton, but still
make a little on the side off the loan. But
the individual who takes out the loan isn't stuck with
some high interest rate. It could be cut in half
with private lending. By the way, I think young people
could roll student loan debt into that mortgage loan on
top of it. Give young people a hand up here.

(30:22):
That's the fastest way for Republicans to change this dialogue
right now. The stickgall plan. Figure out how to make
housing affordable quickly, figure out how to let young people
get into a house, and maybe even roll student loan
debt into the same note so that they can breathe.
If you do that, and you do it quickly, there's

(30:43):
your perception problem. In my opinion, that's the stigall plan
ed agreed, disagree. I agree.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I like that a lot, because you get these people
into a house, get houses affordable. It's the American dream.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It still is.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
More people want to own a house than to rent,
at least young people coming up.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
For sure. That is a it's a winner. It's a winner.
And nobody feels good about paying three thousand dollars a
month for a no two bedroom apartment. No, no, you know? Yeah,
all right, let's go to Scranton. Talk to Judy. Hey, Judy,
glad you called. Welcome to open Line Friday.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Hello, Hello, I love talking to you folks. Hey.

Speaker 15 (31:18):
My husband and I got married and we moved to
Alaska and we saved up eighteen thousand dollars for our
first home, working hard. I cleaned the bunk houses and
he was a logger, and we came back home after
all four or five years and we had money, but
not enough. So my parents were both realtors and they

(31:39):
helped us and we worked and we found a house
that we could turn over for eighteen thousand dollars and
we paid cash for it, and we fixed it up
and sold it for sixty three thousand.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
After that.

Speaker 15 (31:52):
This was years ago, so you can do it, and
I don't know, I was a low wage worker. I
loved horse and I went to Kentucky and I worked
my way up to where I was assistant manager on
the East coast of a big standard bread farm. You know,
you can do it. I was a woman in a
man's business, and you can do it. And these jobs

(32:13):
are good jobs and maybe jobs that people would be
happy doing if they just started doing them.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Like so, Judy, are you saying this is a lack
of work? Ethic? Is your Is that what you're saying this?
It sounds like that's what you're saying. It's a lack
of work.

Speaker 15 (32:29):
Chicken plucker, pig farmer's daughter from the beginning. And you know,
I love work, and I love to look at my
job after I'm done and.

Speaker 16 (32:38):
I see it.

Speaker 15 (32:38):
It's all raked up, it's all clean, everybody's tucked in,
and I get like, I don't know, I think we
need to teach our kids that.

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Yeah, but not you. You're fishing. You're not kidding anybody.
It's not you going to be working on Saturday.

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have covered with more scrutiny and detail over the last
what now, five six years than election integrity. You know,
before we started our nationally syndicated show, we were based

(36:34):
there exclusively in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania was one of those states
ground zero for election integrity and fraud. The fight. But
another one that you may not know a lot about
and doesn't get a lot of attention, but it's still
ongoing is Wisconsin and Judge Jim Trupis has been hip
deep in the election integrity battle there and is with

(36:56):
us today to tell his story. Judge, first of all,
it's a real pleasure to meet you for the first time.
Good morning, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
Thank you for having me on to appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I think for people who again, well all of us
are white hot on the issue of election integrity and
getting this right, but individual states are battling on different fronts,
and I would love for you to explain to the
audience what's going on in Wisconsin and how you come
into play.

Speaker 18 (37:19):
Sure, Wisconsin is actually the only active remaining case after
Georgia was dropped. The National Democratic Party intends to try
Donald Trump here in Wisconsin next summer.

Speaker 8 (37:35):
There is going to be a two month.

Speaker 18 (37:36):
Scheduled trial solely based on the Jack Smith complaint, which
was essentially refiled in Wisconsin by the Attorney General. Let
me give you a little bit of background on Wisconsin.
Wisconsin had I helped write the Wisconsin recount and election laws,
so everyone in Wisconsin who would know who I was
if they follow elections. I've represented governors and senators and congressmen,

(38:01):
the legislature itself, and so I was one of two
citizen members who were asked to rewrite the election code
in two thousand and five. In two thousand and six,
I participated in that and we did complete that, so
we have a very up to date election code. So
it was a surprise to absolutely no one in this
state when the President called me and asked me to

(38:24):
represent him in the recount, because everyone acknowledged I'm candidly
that I was the expert in Wisconsin election law and recounts,
regardless of your party. So I took on that representation
after all the giant law firms said they wouldn't. I
was retired. I had been gleefully retired. I retired first

(38:46):
as a lawyer and then as a judge. I had
been retired for a number of years. But given that
the national law firms were all at cowards. I mean
that very sincerely, absolute cowards, I got angry and I
just called the President back. After refusing three times, I
finally said, I'll do it because these people you deserve

(39:09):
high level representation. And I should tell you I was
the litigation chairman of one of the largest law firms
in the country before I retired, so it wasn't as
if you know, I didn't know what we needed to
do at the time.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
And so Judge, could I could I interrupt this part
of the story because you say none of the law
firms would touch it. Is that because the narrative at
the time was he's a kook, it's a conspiracy, he's
trying to rig it to win and stay in power,
and he didn't win, and they just didn't want to
talk about it, and that was kind of the working
narrative of the time. Is that about right?

Speaker 8 (39:39):
I think, Look, I think that's about right. And you know,
they're again I say, lawyers are cowards. You know, they
always say, you know, at the end.

Speaker 18 (39:46):
Of a trial, you get a trial, they say guilty,
And the guilty guy it turns to his lawyer and
he says, hey, what what happens now?

Speaker 8 (39:55):
And he says, well, you go to jail and I
go home.

Speaker 18 (39:58):
And and it's a sad joke that most lawyers are
absolutely risk averse, and particularly large law firms, and particularly
when it comes to kryptonite Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
That continues to this day. Right, I mean, you just.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Six lawyers engaged, and for this you have become persona
non grata and more.

Speaker 8 (40:20):
Oh my good.

Speaker 18 (40:21):
More so, I thought, stupidly, I'm naive. I thought, well,
you do good job represent him. I mean alcoholm I
was retired. Seventeen legal actions seventeen and counting have been

(40:41):
filed against me. They're bankrupting me and my family. I'm
seventy two years old. The Attorney General now has brought
charges that are frivolous in the extreme in the most
liberal county. It makes a liberal county in Pennsylvania look
conservative Dane County, Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (41:00):
And he has brought those charges.

Speaker 18 (41:03):
I will be put in jail for the rest of
my natural life for having represented the president of the
United States, and fascinatingly, not a single lawyer, not a
single lawyer, and they had twenty four on our case.
Ever said a single argument we were making was either
frivolous or unimportant.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Taken against you. Based on what I mean, I assume
all of them ridiculous, But can you give us the
flavor of some of the charges.

Speaker 18 (41:34):
They still cause. For example, among them, they they subpoened
all my records. You heard about the secret subpoenas. They
took all my attorney client, confidential and judicial records that
were in my computers. They brought multiple bar complaints. They
brought a two million dollar civil lawsuit at one point

(42:00):
to scare everybody. I had taken my grandchildren on a
disney cruise, a disney cruise. As we were getting off
the boat in Miami, they grabbed my son in front
of his three children, took him to a separate room,
confiscated his electronics and copied them. Now, if that isn't

(42:25):
messaging me, Jack Smith and his people, you know, through
the Department of Naturalization, the people at the port, I
mean it is my wife every day for four or
five years now, has waited for our door to be
broken in. They broke into all my files, highly confidential
judicial and attorney fils, no consequence.

Speaker 8 (42:48):
They take my son aside. They do that.

Speaker 18 (42:50):
They filed bar complaints, nothing happens the civil lawsuit. Now
I face eleven felony counts and I should mention we
asked the Attorney general in advance before we used alternate
electors in Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (43:07):
I'm not making this up. Read it in the papers.

Speaker 18 (43:10):
On December one, twenty twenty, the Attorney General of Wisconsin,
Josh call the left wing nut case we have here
told us in told us in papers that we could
preserve all of our rights as long as we had
alternate electors. On December eleventh of that year, I told

(43:32):
the State Supreme Court we were going to use alternate electors.
Why I said it right there, because the Attorney General
of this state told me too.

Speaker 9 (43:42):
That.

Speaker 18 (43:42):
Two years later, when asked again before he filed this case,
he wrote a legal opinion to the Wisconsin Election Commission
saying it is common to use alternate electors.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
There's no fraud, there is no falsity here.

Speaker 18 (44:00):
I mentioned this, and you could read every one of
these documents at Judge troopis dot com.

Speaker 8 (44:05):
It's all there.

Speaker 18 (44:06):
We got nothing to hide. The Atornity General won't even
give us his discovery. But you can look at everything. Yeah,
and your audience can look at everything at Judge.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I just want to let people know t r o
U PI S. So it's Judge Troopers t r o
U p I S and they can read it all.
Where do things stand? Just with the limited time that
I have? What is the action item? What's next? And
who can be helpful and how well?

Speaker 18 (44:33):
Well, first of all, if you could please donate, which
you're appreciated.

Speaker 8 (44:37):
I feel bad asking, but they're bankrupting us.

Speaker 18 (44:39):
I mean, that's the whole purpose here was to bankrupt
me and to send a message to every other lawyer
who ever wants to represent conservatives or the president. Right
now on Monday, on Monday, a judge who has effectively
admitted his own misconduct, we'll be holding a hero to

(45:00):
bind me over to a trial.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
I again am not making this up.

Speaker 18 (45:05):
We presented comprehensive evidence from a Georgetown University linguist that
the opinion this judge claims to have written that kept
this case going, he didn't write it. An activist and
private citizen and former judge wrote the opinion. We used

(45:25):
former FBI linguists to say that the judge has never
denied that.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
Literally he had somebody.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Judge by the court write, judge, can I ask you
this is at the federal level. Is there any help
that can be extended? Or is this a state matter?
And because it's in Wisconsin, the Fed's the White House,
they can't be of help.

Speaker 18 (45:47):
We have begged, begged the Attorney General to get involved,
begged them to begin an FBI investigation. I've met with
Ed Martin. He's a wonderful guy. I've met with him
multiple times, and this is clearly not a state law issue.
It's a federal election. They're now saying that for us
to use a federal process alternate electors provided for in

(46:10):
the Constitution and in the law was illegal, it was
up it was a forgery in other words, in other words,
it trumps all federal law on a presidential election. That's
insane and sponker. We have begged the Department of Justice
to get involved. We need them involved.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Well, I hope they're listening. We're going to continue to
follow this. Judge. I hate that you're going through this,
but very very noble that you're willing to step into
the breach when no one else would. But I know
noble doesn't pay the bills. Judge Tropis dot com t
r U pis, Sir, will you please stay in touch,

(46:50):
come back and update us as this story continues to unfold,
and we will follow.

Speaker 8 (46:54):
You as well. As I said, I'd be very pleased to.

Speaker 18 (46:58):
I really hope that your audience looks into it, because
this is I think Donald Trump is going to be
tried next summer in order to influence the congressional elections.
That's why they've kept this case open. Is a national
case and they understand that.

Speaker 8 (47:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
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And I remember at one point towards the end of
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Speaker 5 (51:59):
Morning to you. I'm grateful for your open line Friday.
That's that's a sweet treat. And like you say, a
blast from the past. You've been talking about financing for
young couples, how to get started, and that was initiated
my interesting calling. But I will say kuda dittos to
Judy because I did practically the same thing she did.

(52:21):
But here's here's the here's here's some few more things
to add to your bag of tricks. First of all,
when you're talking about wealthy people getting together and making
these loans, it sounds very much to me like a
credit union. Credit unions can do this. That's a source
of money, and people not just necessarily wealth extremely wealthy people,

(52:46):
but people with enough extra can buy into a credit union,
can get together and make one. And that the laws
will vary from state to state, but there's certainly federal laws,
I'm sure about it. But they will loan at lower
rates and the usual longer periods, and it's generally local
and and that worked out just tremendously in the past

(53:08):
for us. We bought our first car because by the
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make the payments. All was good, and then the thing
was the u with the financing would be you know,

(53:30):
you could get businesses in the community, the and or.
Of course the wealthy could do it, and of course
they're all making money, but they're just not doing it
as as hard and as fast. But when we were
kids but starting out, there was also a thing called
rent with option to buy, and you rented the house
and did whatever. And we always looked for rundown places,

(53:54):
which is another way people could make money. We'd buy
distress properties, fix them up and turn them so we
were past the place where we would have to pay
extra taxes for them to sell, but we would like
every twenty four months or so, twenty five months, we
would return over a place and we get a.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Bigger So, Colleen, are you saying do you think the
marketplace exists at present? Or this is the sort of
thing that Republicans ought to push for and advocate for
or direct young people too, because ownership, you know, for
young people. I think you changed the direction of the conversation.
If young people feel like they've got skin in the
game and some ownership, I think that's how you ward
off this socialism chatter that guys like Mom Donnie are selling,

(54:37):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
That's wonderful. And just one more quick thing. You know,
young people get out of the service with a with
the ability to get alan on a home no money down,
which is a great way to start. You might just
think of that doing that, or you could look at

(54:58):
all the houses that have been fired finance for those
loans where they fall they fall through. Young people can't
keep up the payments and du and the vast.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, Coline, thank you, I appreciate it very very much.
You've got a lot of ideas, and that's what I mean.
I think if Republicans can think outside the box a
little bit here and think about creative ways to tell
young people they don't have to be saddled with student
loan dead and they can have the option to get
into housing. And I think you can consolidate those efforts.
I think there's a way to get young people into

(55:30):
a home and consolidate their student loans. And I think
it could all be written underwritten, kind of like Colleen said.
And if you want a credit union type situation that
maybe is funded by wealthier people. Look, I'm not a
finance guy, but the number of people that have said
to me that they would be interested in doing something

(55:50):
like that. And again, it's an investment, it's not just
a giveaway. I mean, it's you know, wealthy people would
get a return on their money, maybe not as much
as they might in the market. But let's go to
a in Orlando. Hey, Eric, thanks a lot for calling
on Open Line Friday.

Speaker 20 (56:03):
Good morning, Good morning, Chris. Been listening to for quite
some time, and you've got some fascinating guests on and yeah,
I think over the last six months I've been focusing
on this. I have a finance background. I've been in
the home financing sector for over thirty years, and I
did find ways back in the early two thousands late

(56:23):
nineteen nineties to help people get into housing by actually
developing housing projects that were affordable. And I basically were
building town homes because obviously the land costs development costs
are high, or were high not the time, but they're
getting higher all the time. But you know, you could
build something affordable, and you could compete with the rental

(56:46):
community and actually build something and sell something to somebody
with as little as three percent down or three and
a half percent down and beat the rent roll and
basically get somebody into a house or townhouse for less
than it costs them to rent, and sold them the
staffs that I could build them. And I was looking
to build new ones and more, and of course government

(57:09):
gets in the way, and then there's all kinds of
challenges to take place. And so that was a dream
observed or actually scene, and never witnessed again. But for
the last six months, I've had people go to me
and say, you know, what can we do about housing?
What can we do? And I've been thinking about it
for over two years and trying to put a round

(57:32):
peg in a square hole, And all of a sudden,
I thought, well, what about ad us, which is an
additional house unit. It puts a whole new spin on housing,
and people are trying to do it with tiny homes
behind their homes and trying to generate additional revenue streams
be within their own I'll say plot of land. And

(57:56):
what I'm doing now is I'm finding what we call
infill lots at reasonable prices there in the outskirts of
you know, the aul say town.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Oh, that's fascinating. Can I just cut to the chase,
because I want to make sure I get time to
get this concept out. What you're saying basically, and I
don't I don't mean to oversimplify this, but just for
my own dumb head, you're saying people that own I
don't know, let's say, five ten acres of land that
their house sits on, selling off a chunk of that
to put a house on that.

Speaker 21 (58:25):
Yes, well they can do that, but I think it's
a much, much, much smaller scale. Basically, a lot to
say eighty foot wide one hundred and twenty foot deep
that's you know, basically not been developed yet, and they're
all over the place in central Florida, and you basically
build instead of one structure, three bedroom, two bath, you
build a three bedding, two bath single family residents, and

(58:47):
then you put a what we call an ADU or
an additional housing unit on that property like a casita
or basically we call it a cato kalin. People remember
the Ojes house right exactly and basically this went away
about forty years ago, or mother in law suite, and
literally it's a one bedroom, one bath, self contained unit.

Speaker 20 (59:09):
It is built at the same time you're building the
single family residence. It has an income stream now for
that homeowner that we can use as a lender for
the homeowner who's buying. So in other words, that mortgage
that would be saved twenty five hundred dollars a month
is now reduced to fifteen hundred dollars a month because
you can use the renth to qualify that buyer to

(59:31):
buy the package. And now it's like a duplex.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
You now have a rentless.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
See you're you're thinking, you're you're creatively thinking is the point?
And I love that? And so do you think ultimately
that if this were introduced or something like this we're
introduced to a Republican started talking this way, do you
think this would thwart this message of affordability a little bit.
Do you think that would get people excited and thinking
positively about the Republicans If they're talking like you and

(59:57):
I r right now about this.

Speaker 20 (01:00:00):
Everybody would get excited about it. I'm not Republicans or Democrats.
I think everybody understands is. Even the county people that
I deal with are embracing it. They're actually encouraging me.
They're actually giving me referential treatment to now push through
permitting to push through the whole concept, allowing me to
even develop even larger tracts of land that are these

(01:00:21):
types of communities that are built for first time homeowners
that pull people out of rentals and actually create a
housing nit for them, a rental experience driving income. So
these people, these young people and I bought my first
home at twenty three out of graduating college. You know,
it gets them into the game. It gets them and
it stabilizes the community as well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
So they all like it. Listen, I love it. I
just think it's great and I hope you'll stay in touch.
Please email me. You can go to my email is
right there a Christigall dot com. And would I would
love it if you have a concise write up on that.
I would love to read more about it and pass
it along. That's what we're we're in the business of
trying to do here in our little corner of the world,
is trying to offer up some solutions to change the

(01:01:05):
dynamic and the discussion. You sound like you've got a
brilliant idea. I'd love to pass it along. I hope
others are embracing it. Thank you for that. See, that's
the thing. This audience is chock full of people that
are thinking. They're not just sitting around carping and whining.
They actually are thinking about solutions. That's what we do here.
That's what I am so happy and proud to affiliate
with his audience over is people that are thinkers, doers,

(01:01:26):
positive looking forward, not just sitting around carping and belly aching.
Thank you, man, I appreciate you. Eight five five St. Gaul.
Let me quickly get to Claire and Pittsburgh. Hey Claire,
good morning, Welcome in.

Speaker 22 (01:01:38):
Hey good morning, Chris. Thanks for taking my call. Hey,
I just wanted to make mention a little comment about
Alex yesterday. That was the gentleman that you were talking
about about self responsibility, personal responsibility for drug use, etc.
I want to compliment you on the discourse between the
two of you and how that's the way we should
all talk when.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
We possibly disagree on things.

Speaker 22 (01:02:00):
He was very controlled, You were very controlled.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
My point is to Alex is everybody doesn't have that.
I see it in my own family. Everybody isn't blessed
with that internal fortitude that he was talking about. We
all need. And young people make mistakes. And I even
know that myself. I was given a pill in college.
I had no idea what it was. I could have been.
I could have been given something and I could not
be talking to you right now. So kids, young kids

(01:02:24):
make mistakes. And there's even adults who have been trying
to quit smoking for thirty years and because the addiction
is so strong, they can't. They know that, they know
the harm that it could come to them, but they
still can't get away from it. So if you're on
a drug that is so addicting, it's hard. So I
understand Alex because now I'm like that. I'm very strong
and can't understand people that can't break away. But I

(01:02:47):
see why.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yes, Claire, thank you, thank you for your candor. And
by the way, people need your prayers because I'm telling you, ultimately,
the Holy Spirit is what entered in my life and
helped me kick mine. That was the only thing. They
got it done in a minute. Thank you. I don't
follow college football at all. I don't know anything about
college football. I'm going to stipulate right now, but I
realize and I do know that of all the college

(01:03:10):
football teams out there, Penn State is one of them.
It's like church for people. College football programs are like
their church. I've been to a couple of Penn State games,
so I've seen this firsthand. I did not go to
a big school. I'm a D two school guy, so
I never had the I mean, I had school spirit
and everything, but I didn't have the facet. I didn't
have the rabid, you know, Penn State wide out experience.

(01:03:31):
I didn't have the Michigan you know, seventy five thousand
packing an arena experience, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, I didn't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
No, that makes sense, Yeah I didn't either.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
So it doesn't mean as much to me this story
of what's going on in Michigan right now with their
football program and their head coach. But it is a
bananas story. Have you been following it just a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
This is the Yes. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
They're they're head coach. I don't know what their record is,
but obviously Michigan they're doing very, very well and they're
on their way to I think that they're entering in
of the Citrus Bowl or something like that. But this guy,
Sharon Moore is in police custody, fired for cause this week.
Now again, this guy's rolling. He's winning, winning, winning, Michigan,
proud of their football team and their program and their

(01:04:14):
coach and the whole thing. Well, it turns out he's
been dipping his pen and Company inc. He had an
assistant there in the football program that he was, you know,
drawn up plays with on the side, and then I
guess went south. But the records show that she suddenly

(01:04:34):
got something like a forty thousand dollars a year bumping
salary for seemingly no increase in responsibilities. And it had
been investigated for a while and he was denying that
it was the case. But at any rate, he gets
fired because it's finally come to light that yes, in fact,

(01:04:58):
he was doing this. And then he goes nuts and
allegedly allegedly, this guy grabs a knife and heads to
his former assistance apartment, where she calls the police and says,
he's attacking me, and he's like, he took off on
foot and he's suicidal. And he's finally arrested at a
church and he drops the knife and the whole thing,

(01:05:19):
and now he's locked up behind bars. This is like
one of the winningest football coaches out there in college football,
on the Michigan program, and I know Michigan fans are
like as proud of their football team as anything. I
didn't know how to process that if you're a fan
of a football team like that and your head coach
goes berserk. And now of course it's cascading all these
women and only fans chicks online that are all claiming

(01:05:41):
that he's been talking with them, and he's apparently got
quite an eye for the ladies. I guess. So I
don't really have anything to add to that other than
it's a banana story. He's in custody and they're on
the what's that do to a team? You're on your
way to a bowl game and your coach is locked
up for being a lunatic. I mean, Luckily.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I don't think Michigan had not they didn't have aspirations
to but I don't think they had a chance of
winning the national title this year.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
So you know, it's bowls season.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
There's a million bowls. People are annoyed with the college
football playoff anyway, So yeah, it sucks for them. I
really feel bad for them. But uh yeah, they will
not be winning a national title.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I can assure you that's an uncomfortable situation going on
in Michigan. Eric Schmidt, one of our favorite senators, took
a two by four to the media yesterday. This was
tremendous talking about the Narco terrorist boats being blown out
of the water. One of these ladies, what about the
poor fisher boats the fisherman, Eric Schmidt, no time for

(01:06:40):
that number seventy one. Listen to this.

Speaker 22 (01:06:43):
If you can see in real time that killing anyone
should not have been the way that these fishing boats will.

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
All say, fishing boats? Are you? What are you? What
was a fishing boats? Those are fishing boats? Those aren't
fishing boats?

Speaker 23 (01:06:58):
If you.

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
Urbo charge, Okay, well, let's talk about Article two authority.

Speaker 24 (01:07:03):
The President of the Commander in Chief has identified and
designated terrorist organizations. Where are cartels who run drugs that
kill one hundred thousand Americans a year. So there's no
legal question that he has the legal ability to blow
those boats out of the water, and they will continue this. However,
these were economic sanctions by the President as delegated by Congress.

(01:07:25):
Those were enforced by civil authorities with the aid of.

Speaker 9 (01:07:29):
The US Navy. So we're talking about two very different things.
But if you're asking me if I have sympathy.

Speaker 24 (01:07:34):
For narco terrorists killing Americans, whose votes that are carrying
the drugs.

Speaker 9 (01:07:38):
That kill Americans, I don't.

Speaker 24 (01:07:39):
I have sympathy for my neighbors in Missouri who've been poisoned,
who die, and we finally have a president who cares
about them more than the Democrats care about going down
to El Salvador to drink Margarita's with terrorists.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Hrumph, Senator Schmidt, more a minute. You heard me earlier
this year, I hope, talking about our partnership with Prison Fellowship,
the non for profit Christian organization that helps kids who
have incarcerated parents enjoy a little fresh air and fun
out in the open outdoors during summer camp. Well, they

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this Friday edition of The Stigallf Show. Looking at Philadelphia
this morning, we're looking at the Christmas Village. There always
a good time. If you're in Philadelphia and you haven't
been to Love Park there, the Christmas Village is a
great stop. Do you do that this year?

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
Ed?

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
I know you take the family there every now and again.
I don't remember the last time you went.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
So they had to shut it down for Palestine thing.
When the last that was last year when my whole family,
we had like thirty of us that we're supposed to
go spend time together, so we didn't. And honestly, if
I'm going to go, it would be tonight. That would
be the last chance I have to go, So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
So it's there. It's always fun. I mean, it's really
it's really puts you in the spirit. It's one of
the rare treats inside of Philadelphia that takes you away
and into a place that's quaint. It makes you. They
had the old Wannamaker building fired up for the concert.
The Oregon concert in there too. You know, there used
to be a Macy's in what's known as the Old
Wannamaker Building there in Center City Philadelphia. It's sort of

(01:12:28):
adjacent from City Hall, and it was a family tradition
to go in there and watch the Christmas light show
and everything. And then Macy's went bankrupt or whatever and
packed up and left the building. But they had an
impromptu show yesterday where people were lined up down the
street to go in and see it. There's some just
wonderful Philadelphia Christmas traditions that you hate to see but

(01:12:49):
go by the wayside because the progressive left ruins it,
to your point, but they do they have right, Oh yeah,
shoplifting right right, yes, I mean Macy's was the sty
by shoplifters. I mean, just so you understand, like people
were coming in and just stealing thousands of dollars worth
of goods out of that Macy's and that will water
make your building and left unpunished because there's a lunatic

(01:13:10):
progressive da that won't punish criminals. So that's what happens
to business and great family traditions and beautiful cities like Philadelphia.
When lunatics are allowed to run roughshot over the city.

Speaker 9 (01:13:22):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yeah, So anyway, that's not exactly an advertisement, but could
you'd like to go. It's a beautiful bring your firearm
and enjoy the Christmas Village there at Love Park in Philadelphia.
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All right, so you can find all this at Chris
Stigaul dot com. But one of the things that you know,
if you're a regular hrum for is I've been writing
about and talking about. Just yesterday, I was talking about
revelation addiction and why young people particularly young men, particularly
young white men, are having such a tough go of
it out there right now and are gravitating toward people

(01:15:28):
who are selling I think a lot of poison. Yes,
there have been very positive spiritual stories about how a
lot of them are trending toward churches and reading scripture,
and that's all good, but I think there's also a
really unhealthy undercurrent of people selling rage and socialism, mark

(01:15:50):
on George George, George Floyd, lunatic stuff that used to
be progressive left stuff. But now I think the progressive
left has sort of gone full circle now, or if
you want to call it, what used to be conservatism
by some of these people has now gone so far
one direction that it's circled around to become a progressive
left pitch. But it's not good. And I've told you

(01:16:12):
that one of the reasons this has happened with young
white men in this country and why they're so angry
and ticked off and feel so aggrieved, is because if
people like Democrat state representative in Kentucky, Sarah Stalker, and
if you don't know what I'm talking about, you haven't
heard this woman take a listen to something she had
to say this week in open testimony in the Kentucky

(01:16:37):
Legislative Body Chamber here in number eighty three, I'm going
to be honest.

Speaker 25 (01:16:42):
I don't feel good about being white every day for
a lot of reasons. Because it's a point of privilege
that I get to move through the world in a
way that so many of my other colleagues and friends
and family members of the community don't get the privilege
to do. Just a female, but just a woman, just.

Speaker 8 (01:17:01):
A white woman.

Speaker 25 (01:17:03):
If I was a white man, I would be functioning
from a point of an even greater privilege. I think
we're missing an opportunity when kids, When kids have a
moment to reflect about how the color of their skin
does and does not allow them to move through the world,

(01:17:24):
it's running to them and trying to stifle that and
trying to say you shouldn't feel bad, so want to
We don't want to ever expose you to something that
is going to make you have to pause and have
maybe some internal feelings. It's a missed opportunity for some
really good dialogue.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
This is the Democrat Party. That is a suburban white
lady who has been beating down whites, particularly white young men,
for about a generation. My boys who are nineteen and
twenty years old have been hearing that woman in their
ear for most of their lives. And this is why
young men are so vulnerable to some online grievance peddling,

(01:18:09):
because they've had it with ladies like that. That woman
struck a nerve and has become a viral sensation because
it revealed the ideology consuming the Democrat Party from within.
It's not a vulnerability she's expressing at all, even though
that's how she's trying to mask it. That was a
diagnosis in that single moment and that clip. You just

(01:18:30):
heard this woman, the Sarah Stalker woman, the Kentucky representative.
She exposed the rot that is hollowing out the modern
Democrat Party, a total loss of faith in the American Covenant,
the radical world changing belief that a free society rises
or falls on individual character, not inherited categories, on merit,

(01:18:53):
not melanin America was built on the exact opposite Creed.
Her party now preaches free markets that reward competence, not
your complexion, religious liberty that measures souls not skin. We
have a bill of rights that shields the lone citizen

(01:19:15):
from the tyranny of the mob. Opportunity that asks only
one question, what can you do? Not where did you
come from? Or what do you look like? That is meritocracy.
It's the only proven antidote to poverty and tribalism and tyranny.

(01:19:35):
But today's Democrats, and I'm sorry to say some that
claim to have been conservative or whatever they call themselves,
now they've replaced all that with something dark, really dark
racial quotas, inherited guilt, coerced speech, and engineered outcomes. And
they brand it all as equity. But really all it

(01:19:58):
is is authoritarianism painted in a soft cell. Because once
you demand equal results by race, you've got to control
everything that produces results, from speech to thought, to hiring
to admissions to opportunity itself. You have to start punishing

(01:20:19):
excellence and script destiny. So when this woman, this Sarah Stalker,
this Kentucky representative, this Democrat, weeps over her own whiteness,
she isn't confessing personal shame. She's mourning something else, the

(01:20:39):
death of the old American promise inside her own party,
a party that once lifted people up and now sorts
them into permanent casts. And here's where the architects of
identity politics never really understand what they're doing. They're shaming
young men for their skin color, and it doesn't humble them,

(01:21:00):
hardens them. It tells a generation they're guilty by design,
and sooner or later they stop looking for reconciliation, and
you know what, they start craving retaliation. And that's how
you feed America's revelation addiction that I've been telling you
about a culture hooked on crisis, primed for apocalypse, desperate

(01:21:21):
for meaning because the dignity that comes from merit has
been completely stripped away by people like this Sarah Stalker.
And in the end, it's obvious who the real authoritarians are,
the people obsessed with your immutable traits, not your immutable rights.
Character and merit aren't slogans. They're the immune system of

(01:21:46):
a free nation. And if you replace that with racial
scorecards and whatnot, liberty isn't just weakened. It slips into
remission entirely. This woman isn't the problem, She's the symptom.
And the cure is the same now as it was

(01:22:08):
two hundred and fifty years ago as it was in
nineteen sixty three. MLK Judge by the content of character,
not color of skin. Most Americans know this deep down.
Democrats know it, and that's why they fight and fight
it so violently. Ornamentute, Chris, Let's go to Chuck in
Fort Worth, Texas on open line Friday. Hey Chuck, I'm

(01:22:30):
glad you called. Good morning. Well come in, good morning, sir.

Speaker 16 (01:22:34):
I I would like to see our congressional representatives create
an affordability index. I just had Rock run and affordability
index for fort Worth, Texas. My prompt was, create an
affordability index for the district of fort Worth, Texas. Focus

(01:22:55):
on issues of affordability the Democrats, sorry, Democrats are harping
on and it gave it gave a good evaluation, and
so overall affordability in Fort Worth is ninety four point three.
I had it create a graphic like a dashboard. Now,

(01:23:16):
imagine if every Republican congressional representative created an affordability index
for their district, put it on their website like a dashboard,
and if you clicked on it, it would hover. It would
give you hover links for affordability of housing, childcare, food,

(01:23:37):
and and then I had it compare it with the
Biden administration. So overall, when President Trump is out on
the on the trail, he could he could create an
affordability affordability index for either the state or the city
that he is in. Focusing on the reality, because affordability

(01:23:59):
is being you used as a wet blanket for the
whole nation, when in reality, it's not the same in
every area. All politics are local, All affordability or issues
are local.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
That's really insightful and out of curiosity. When you saw
this data, did it surprise you or did you kind
of already feel it and sense it?

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:24:22):
No, you know, for worth, we pretty much haven't felt much.
You know, I'm an r N, so you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
That's so when you hear I'm sorry to interrupt you,
but just for time, I'm just asking when you hear
people talking about it, it's not affordable out there, affordability, affordability,
It wasn't. It wasn't clicking with you. You didn't feel
squeezed like you're hearing other people say they feel squeezed.

Speaker 16 (01:24:45):
No, because I'm in Texas for one thing. But I
don't discount I absolutely don't discount the college students who
have got massive loans. I don't discount the difficulty that
young people are facing. I think you know, and that

(01:25:06):
gentleman who had the land idea go back to the
story of Joseph and how God gave Joseph insight for
Pharaoh to prepare for the seven years of famine. And
that's why God has his children. You know, when we
receive Christ, he doesn't take us to heaven. He dwells

(01:25:27):
us and then he gives us insight, wisdom and understanding
to offer solutions to the world, whether they receive it
or not. Because typically there's an agenda. But AI. Congress
should have AI reviewing every every bill. Congress should have
every AI review in every congressional record back to when

(01:25:50):
they were first, you know, and identify trends.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
There is so so you what you've done. It was
so beautifully said. You've said, I don't know if you
ever considered running for office, but you should because you've
beautifully woven scripture into exactly what all of us need
to do, problem solving and having the wisdom to offer
solutions and problem solved. And you used AI in a
positive way to make that case. Boy, that's what we
need problem solvers like you. Thank you man. Merry Christmas.

(01:26:18):
I think it's safe to say that when you talk
about people coming to faith, this has been one of
those years, one of those extraordinary moments in history. After
Charlie and the loss of Charlie Kirk, we've heard about
people streaming back to church, sort of a revival. We
heard about maybe a few years ago, that last year,
two years ago, the Jesus Revolution of the seventies. Is

(01:26:39):
there a revival going on in the middle of all
of that. One of these guys that did a tremendous
amount for people who maybe were searching, or were agnostic
or maybe an atheist in his case, didn't believe and
came around to be believers after some investigative work, the
classic book known as The Case for Christ. At Least
Grobble the author, and he's back with a new project

(01:27:00):
on miracles that you can watch in movie theaters. It's
at the Case for Miracles movie dot com, Thecase formiraclesmovie
dot com. You can get your tickets and Least Grobal
joints us today. That movie opens on Monday in select
theaters around the country. And Lee, good to see us, sir.

Speaker 7 (01:27:18):
Well, great to see you. Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
I think, and I mean when I say your book,
I've heard more about it and more Bible studies over
the years. People that are new to the faith have
read the Case for Christ and come around to thinking,
I need to check this out. Did you set out
to do that with your book initially this project or
has it kind of taken on a life of its
own over the years.

Speaker 26 (01:27:41):
Well, the way I describe it being from Chicago is
like Wrigley Field, you know, and Wrigley Field, often the
player would hit a ball and be caught by the
center fielder. But sometimes you don't hit it any harder
and the wind of Chicago takes it out for a
home runder, a grand slam.

Speaker 7 (01:27:55):
That's what God did with this book. I hit the ball.

Speaker 26 (01:27:58):
I wrote the book, but God has taken it beyond
anything I ever put into it, and has taken it
to just so many people around the world who've come
to faith. And I get emails almost virtually every day
from some amazing stories, including evil and evil who came
to faith through the book. Just so so many people
around the world. I say, I look at that, and

(01:28:20):
I say I didn't do that. I honestly just feel
I just wrote the book, but for whatever reason, God
has chosen by his spirit to do things with it
that I never could have done on my own.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
I think pastors I hear this from time to time.
My pastor, as a matter of fact, we talk about
you know, I do a mostly secular political and news show.
I talk about my faith. I'm not afraid to. I
love to, as a matter of fact. That's why I'm
grateful to have this conversation. But he often says, you know,
fat heads like you with a microphone they'll listen to

(01:28:51):
more regularly than me, and a pulpit that is non believers.
And I thought that kind of an interesting point. I'm
sure you've heard that over the years, that here you
are a journalist who's really not a theologian necessarily by training,
and you're getting more eyes and ears than most pastors
would die to have.

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
That's funny, that's true.

Speaker 26 (01:29:11):
But you know, my approach to that book and other
books that I've done, including The Case for Miracles, is
that I'm not the world's leading expert on these key things.
But I'm trained in journalism and law, so I'm an investigator.
So I go out, I find the world's leading experts,
and I interview them. I questioned them with the questions
I had when I was an atheist, or trying to
get them to explain things in a way that I
can understand it. So I figure, if I get it,

(01:29:32):
anybody can get it. And I interview skeptics as well.
In fact, my book, The Case for Miracles starts three
chapters with an interview with the number one skeptic in America,
Michael Schrmer, editor of Skeptic Magazine, And I said, have
your say, why don't you believe in the miraculous? And
he does, and then the rest of the book responds
to the objections that he raises.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
The Case for miraclesmovie dot Com is where you can
get your tickets and starting Monday and through the eighteenth,
so it's fifteenth through the eighteenth, actually be in theaters.
And so when you go to the Case frommiraclesmovie dot com,
up will come a theater close to you where you
can get tickets and go see it. And I hope
that you do. When you hear from people who say

(01:30:12):
I don't believe it, what is the first thing you
say in response? Today? How do you answer that when
people come to you and say I just don't I
don't believe it.

Speaker 26 (01:30:21):
Yeah, I say, you know what, I didn't either, But
I took two years of my life as an investigative
journalist to investigate what is the historical data for the
truth of Christianity and the data that God is still
in the miracle business today. And I think if four
things are true, we can confidently say a miracle has
taken place. Number one if we have solid medical documentation.

(01:30:44):
Number two, if we have multiple incredible eyewitnesses who have
no motive to deceive. Number three, if there is no
natural explanation that makes sense. And number four if it
takes place in the context of prayer. And we have
cases like that that we deal with in my book,
we deal with in the movie v cases published, for instance,
in peer reviewed medical journals, cases where multiple medical researchers

(01:31:06):
have documented them.

Speaker 7 (01:31:08):
These are not just cases that you hear on the internet.

Speaker 26 (01:31:11):
You wonder always that AI or is that something somebody
made up. We're dealing with documented cases and they are
absolutely mind blowing.

Speaker 20 (01:31:20):
Lead.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
That criteria you just listed, that's intriguing because it makes
me think, and I'm sure you've made them observation, that
same criteria you could apply to scripture right, and the
people of Scripture who corroborated their stories, that same line
of questioning you could apply to them. And I assume
you have and did as you were studying Scripture and

(01:31:42):
trying to come to your own belief system on Christianity.

Speaker 7 (01:31:48):
That's right.

Speaker 26 (01:31:48):
I mean when I did my investigation as an atheist
after my wife had become a Christian, I was trying
to liberate her from this cult that she got involved in.
So I figured, all I have to do is disprove
the resurrection of Jesus. And I spent two years doing
that very thing, looking at the historical data, analyzing it,
checking with scholars and scholarly articles published in scholarly journals,

(01:32:10):
and trying to determine what really took place, what is
the evidence? And I think the evidence, for instance, for
the resurrection of Jesus, which is an incredible miracle that's
the cornerstone of Christianity, is so incredibly strong. In fact,
the greatest defense attorney in the world, Sir lionel Lucku
nighted twice by Queen Elizabeth and I remember of the
Supreme Court of his Land, who was a skeptic who

(01:32:33):
investigated it, said that the evidence is in his in
his assessment, irrefutable that Jesus not only claimed to be
the son of God to be backed it up by returning.

Speaker 7 (01:32:43):
From the dead.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
What do you think about miracles of the scripture versus
miracles people may have experienced today. How do they compare?
How do you talk about that? Because I think some
people say, well, that's mysticism, you know, or their little
skeptic How are they different or how are they similar?
In your view?

Speaker 26 (01:33:03):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting question because I think
that modern miracles, which we have the ability to investigate
the medical evidence and so forth and scientific that we
can put these under the microscope and try to determine
are they credible. When we determined that there are credible
miracles today, that to me gives extra credibility to the
miracles reported, for instance, in the Gospels, because we weren't

(01:33:26):
there at the time. We've got reports of what took place,
that Jesus healed the blind and raise the dead and
so forth. But if we have evidence today that these
same kind of miracles are taking place and we can
document those, that gives us increased confidence that the Gospels
are telling us the truth about the miracles in the
first century.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Often it's medical. I know it's not exclusively medical, least stroble,
but often it's medical, and you hear doctors. You will
hear reports from people that say there is no earthly
reason I should be alive, and doctors have confirmed it them.
Yet here I am. Is that the kind of thing
you're talking about?

Speaker 26 (01:34:00):
Some cases like that, Yeah, absolutely, I'll give you a
quick one. A woman who was blind for a dozen
years with juvenile macular degeneration and incurable condition, went to
a school for the blind, learned how to read braille,
married a Baptist pastor, and one night again to go
to bed, he puts his hand on his shoulder, begins
to cry and pray, and he says, Lord, I know
you can heal my wife. I know you can do it,
and I pray that you do it tonight. And with

(01:34:21):
that she opened her eyes and saw her husband for
the first time. She said, after years of darkness, I
could see perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
I could see.

Speaker 7 (01:34:29):
It's a miracle.

Speaker 26 (01:34:30):
And sure enough her eyesight remained the rest of her life.
She lived another fifty years. And what do you do
with that?

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
What do you do?

Speaker 26 (01:34:38):
That's the only case in medical literature of anybody ever
being healed, especially spontaneously of juvenilemancular degeneration, and yet she's
healed just as a prayer is offered to God for
her healing. You know, I'm trying to be logical here.
I think the only way you can deny that is
if you rule out the possibility of the miracles at
the outset and say miracles are impossible. Now show me

(01:35:00):
your evidence. I don't think that's a reasonable way to
do an investigation. I think the reasonable way is show
me your evidence, and I will go to whatever conclusion
it logically supports.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
I've often heard it said, is it true, Lee that
it is its own religion? Atheists are often very, very
smug and proud of the fact that they don't believe
in that cult stuff. But it's its own faith system,
isn't it to not believe it and work so hard
to defy it? That's right.

Speaker 26 (01:35:28):
A faith is a step we take in the direction
of the evidence. So, in other words, a lot of
atheists say Christianity is believing something that you know in
your heart it can't be true.

Speaker 7 (01:35:37):
That's not faith.

Speaker 26 (01:35:38):
They're about twenty arrows of evidence, a point in the
direction of Christianity being true, we have to take a
step of faith. It's a step in the same direction.
The evidence is pointing. That's logical, that's rational. We do
that every day of our lives. Atheists have to take
that same step. They have to rely on their own
conclusions and say, based on my intellect, based on how
I understand things, there is no God, and so I'm

(01:36:00):
going to put my faith my trust in that, and
live a life accordingly. I did that for years. It
took me down very dark paths. But I say to anybody,
do what I did. Investigate the evidence. Check it out
in my book The Case for CHRISTI is helpful, great.
There are other great books out there. My good friend
Frank Trurik wrote one that said I love the title.
It says, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Lee Strobel, I love your work. I love what you've
done for so many millions, I suppose by now Christians.
The Case for miraclesmovie dot com is the website where
you can go get tickets for this film which is
coming out on Monday in select theaters Monday through the eighteenth.
All right, so that's most of the week next week.

(01:36:47):
Get you tickets, thecasefour miraclesmovie dot com and Lee. You're
welcome back here anytime. I hope you can come back.
I'd love to talk to you again anytime. Chris.

Speaker 26 (01:36:55):
Love you and what you do, so as we text
us say, I appreciate you AI.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
It's very interesting people think that guys like Ronda Santis
are still very much angling for a run. Do you
think that would be wise of Rond de Santis to
try to run in twenty eight versus what we can
presume is jd Vance Rubio ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
I honestly, Chris, I'll be honest. I wish he would run,
but it's not. It's not gonna happen. He's he's politically
destroyed after this, you think, yeah, I do very much, So.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Send your hate mail to Eddie Kayezo.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Well, just like with Kamala, the billion one point five
billion wasted, I mean, they wasted fifty million dollars on
his run unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
So the reason I bring this up is President Trump
continues to position himself on AI one way, and Rond
de Santis continues to position himself another way. And it
is it is AI is the issue of our time.
I think Ron de Santis has offered something called an
AI Bill of Rights. He's proposed regulations on AI and

(01:38:04):
its meeting resistance from the White House. In a Friday
Last Friday news release, Desantas said, our AI proposal will
establish an AI Bill of Rights to define and safeguard
Floridian's rights, including data privacy, parental controls, consumer protections, and
restrictions on AI use of an individual's name, image likeness
without consent. The White House, on the other hand, and

(01:38:27):
President Trump take this position, give me number seventy four
if you would please pulling, as you said, in.

Speaker 27 (01:38:34):
Keeping with your commitment to grow the American economy and
create potentially millions of new American jobs and maintain America's
technological and military superiority in the years ahead. This is
an executive order that orders aspects of your administration to
take decisive action to ensure that AI can operate within
a single national framework in this country, as opposed to

(01:38:55):
being subject to state level regulation that could potentially cripple
the industry. David Sachs, your AI and Crypto ZAR, has
been one of the key players and key authors behind
the CEO. He can give you more of the granular detail,
but the big picture is that we're taking steps to
ensure that AI operates under a single national standard so

(01:39:16):
that we can reap the benefits that will come from
it in terms of economic growth, job development, national security,
and technological edge.

Speaker 23 (01:39:23):
And it's really the biggest industry that anybody's seen. I mean,
it's taking off. And again I believe they'll only be
one country that really benefits and antid bey the United States,
and it will be if we do this, if we unified.
We have to be unified. China is unified because they
have one vote. That's President. She he says, do it,

(01:39:44):
and that's the end of that. You know, we have
a different system, but we have a system that's good.
But we only have a system that's good if it's smart.
David Sacks, can you say a few words bitch.

Speaker 17 (01:39:53):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
With that fascinating. This is why I ask President Trump's
position on something this significant and important is Look, China
is unified on how they're dealing with AI. I can't
have fifty different governors monkeying around with AI. If we're
going to win this race. I can't have fifty different
states trying to control what we're trying to do with AI.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
You say, I say, it's a good call. I'm not
in disagreement with that, But I'm also not in disagreement
with Rohnda Santas and the other governor's positions too.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be a It's a big one.
The marriage is one of those issues that comes to mind.
Abortion is another. I think AI is very much on.
There's nothing in the Constitution about AI or abortion or
marriage right, and so states weighing in on it. I

(01:40:44):
of course, now you're talking about commerce with AI, and
that's maybe a little bit different. But and then you've
got to power these also. Yeah, jingle bells is racist,
by the way, folks, Just so you know, Joy Reid
said to her one point three million Instagram followers. A
man in a Christmas sweater and Santa hat stands on
the streets of Medford, Massachusetts, near a plaque marking the
site where it is believed to have been pinned the

(01:41:07):
song jingle Bells in eighteen fifty. He takes his hat
off disapprovingly scowls at the plaque. The video caption reading
this is where a racist Confederate soldier wrote jingle Bells
to make fun of black people and has its origins
and bigoted minstrel shows that were popular at the time.
Did you know that I did not jingle bells is bigoted?
It was written by a Civil War guy something about

(01:41:28):
minstrel shows. So just consider that it's a microaggression when
you're out there singing jingle so stupid. These are the
things these people bother themselves with. Here's one thing I
hope it will not be a bother as we close
out this weekend. If you can help us, we are
getting ever so close next week. I'm really I'm putting

(01:41:51):
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