December 31, 2025 • 35 mins
Perfect for the season. The man who wrote the definitive book on the investigation into Christianity from and atheist’s point of view - Lee Strobel inadvertently converted himself and millions of non believers into Christ followers with “The Case for Christ.” Now he’s back with a new project - “The Case for Miracles” - a film you need to see! And Secretary of Education Linda McMahon, the Democrats kill the American promise, and “equity” always was a trojan horse for authoritarianism.
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that you can watch in movie theaters. It's at the
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can get your tickets and least grobal joins us today.
That movie opens on Monday in select theaters around the country.
(03:18):
And Lee, good to see you, sir.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Well, great to see you. Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I think, and I mean when I say your book,
I've heard more about it and more Bible studies over
the years. People that are new to the faith have
read The Case for Christ and come around to thinking,
I need to check this out. Did you set out
to do that with your book initially this project or
has it kind of taken on a life of its
own over the years.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, the way I describe it, you being from Chicago
is like Wrigley Field, you know, and Wrigley Field often
the player would hit a ball and be caught by
the centerfielder. But sometimes you don't hit it any harder
and the wind of Chicago takes it out for a
home runder, a grand slam. That's what God did with
this book.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Hit the ball. I wrote the book, but God has.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Taken it beyond anything I ever put into it, and
has taken it to just so many people around the
world who've come to faith. And I get emails almost
virtually every day from some amazing stories, including evil and
evil who came to faith through the book, just so
many people around the world.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I say, I look at that, and I say, I
didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I honestly just feel I just wrote the book, but
for whatever reason, God has chosen by his spirit to
do things with it that I never could have done.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
On my own. I think pastors I hear this from
time to time. My pastor, as a matter of fact,
we talk about you know, I do a mostly secular
political and news show. I talk about my faith. I'm
not afraid to. I love to, as a matter of fact,
That's why I'm grateful to have this conversation. But he
often says, you know, fat heads like you with a
microphone they'll listen to more regularly than me, and a
(04:55):
pulpit that is non believers. And I thought that kind
of an interesting point. I'm sure you've I heard that
over the years that you're here. You are a journalist
who's really not a theologian. Necessarily by training, and you're
getting more eyes and ears than most pastors would I
to have.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
That's funny, it's true.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But you know, my approach to that book and other
books that I've done, including The Case for Miracles, is
that I'm not the world's leading expert on these key things,
but I'm trained in journalism and law, so I'm an investigator.
So I go out, I find the world's leading experts
and I interview them. I questioned them with the questions
I had when I was an atheist or trying to
get them to explain things in a way that I
can understand it. So I figure if I get it,
(05:35):
anybody can get it. And I interview skeptics as well.
In fact, my book, The Case for Miracles, starts three
chapters with an interview with the number one skeptic in America,
Michael Schumer, editor of Skeptic Magazine, And I said, have
your say, why don't you believe in the miraculous? And
he does, and then the rest of the book responds
to the objections that he raises.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The Case for miraclesmovie dot com is where you can
get your tickets and starting Monday and through the eighteenth,
so it's fifteenth through the eighteenth, it's actually be in theaters.
And so when you go to the Case fromiraclesmovie dot com,
up will come a theater close to you where you
can get tickets and go see it. And I hope
that you do. When you hear from people who say
(06:14):
I don't believe it, what is the first thing you
say in response? Today? How do you answer that when
people come to you and say, I just don't I
don't believe it.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, I say, you know what, I didn't either. But
I took two years of my life as an investigative
journalist to investigate what is the historical data for the
truth of Christianity and the data that God is still
in the miracle business today. And I think if four
things are true, we can confidently say a miracle has
taken place. Number one if we have solid medical documentation.
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Number two, if we have multiple incredible eyewitnesses who have
no motive to deceive. Number three, if there is no
natural explanation that makes sense. And number four, and it
takes place in the context of prayer. And we have
cases life that that we deal with in my book,
we deal with in the movie Cases published for instance,
and peer reviewed medical journals. Cases where multiple medical researchers
(07:09):
have documented them. These are not just cases that you
hear on the internet and you wonder always that AI
or is that something somebody made up. We're dealing with
documented cases and they are absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Lead. That criteria you just listed, that's intriguing because it
makes me think, and I'm sure you've made them observation,
that same criteria you could apply to scripture, right, and
people of scripture who corroborated their stories, that same line
of questioning you could apply to them. And I assume
you have and did as you were studying scripture and
(07:44):
trying to come to your own belief system on Christianity,
that's right.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean when I did my investigation as an atheist
after my wife would become a Christian, I was trying
to liberator from this cult that she got involved in.
So I figured, all I have to do is disprove
the resurrection of Jesus, and I spent two years doing
that very thing, looking at the historical data, analyzing it,
checking with scholars and scholarly articles published in scholarly journals,
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and trying to determine what really took place, what is
the evidence. And I think the evidence, for instance, for
the resurrection of Jesus, which is an incredible miracle that's
the cornerstone of Christianity, is so incredibly strong. In fact,
the greatest defense attorney in the world, Sir lionel Luku
Knight twice by Queen Elizabeth, and I remember the Supreme
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Court of his land, who was a skeptic who investigated it,
said that the evidence is in his in his assessment,
irrefutable that Jesus not only claimed to be the son
of God to be backed it up by returning from
the dead.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What do you think about miracles of the scripture versus
miracles people may have experienced today. How do they compare?
How do you talk about that, because I think some
people say, well that's mysticism, you know, or are they're
a little skeptical. How are they different or how are
they similar? In your view?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting question because I think
that modern miracles, which we have the ability to investigate
the medical evidence and so forth, and scientifically we can
we can put these under the microscope and try to
determine are they credible. When we determined that that there
are credible miracles today. That to me gives extra credibility
to the miracles reported, for instance, in the Gospels, because
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we weren't there at the time. We've got reports of
what took place, that Jesus healed the blind and raise
the dead and so forth. But if we have evidence
today that these same kind of miracles are taking place
and we can document those, that gives us increased confidence
that the Gospels are telling us the truth about the
miracles in the first century.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Often it's medical. I know it's not exclusively medical least trouble,
but often it's medical, and you hear doctors. You will
hear reports from people that say there is no earthly
reason I should be alive, and doctors have confirmed it them.
Yet here I am. Is that the kind of thing
you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Some cases like that, Yeah, absolutely. I'll give you a
quick one. A woman who was blind for a dozen
years with juvenile macular degeneration and incurable condition, went to
a school for the blind, learned how to read braille,
married a Baptist pastor, and one night again to go
to bed, he puts his hand on his shoulder, begins
to cry and pray, and he says, Lord I know
you can heal my wife. I know you can do it,
and I pray that you do it tonight. And with
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that she opened her eyes and saw her husband for
the first time.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
She said, after years of darkness, I could see perfectly.
I could see.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's a miracle. And sure enough her eyesight remained the
rest of her life. She lived another fifty years. And
what do you do with that? What do you do?
That's the only case in medical literature of anybody ever
being healed, especially spontaneously, of juvenile macular degeneration. And yet
she's healed, just as a prayer is offered to God
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for her healing. You know, I'm trying to be logical here.
I think the only way you can deny that is
if you rule out the possibility of the miracles that
they outset and say miracles are impossible. Now show me
your evidence. I don't think that's a reasonable way to
do an investigation. I think the reasonable way is show
me your evidence, and I will go to whatever conclusion
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it logically supports.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've often heard it said, is it true ly that
it is its own religion? Atheists are often very, very
smug and proud of the fact that they don't believe
in that cult stuff. But it's its own faith system,
isn't it to not believe it and work so hard
to defy it? That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
A faith is a step we take in the direction
of the evidence. So, in other words, a lot of
atheists say Christianity is believing something that you know in
your heart it can't be true.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
That's not faith.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
They're about twenty arrows of evidence a point in the
direction of Christianity being true.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
We have to take a step of faith. It's a
step in the.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Same direction the evidence is pointing. That's logical, that's rational.
We do that every day of our lives. Atheists have
to take that same step. They have to rely on
their own conclusions and say, based on my intellect, he's
done how I understand things. There is no God, and
so I'm going to put my faith my trust in that,
and live a life accordingly. I did that for years.
(12:08):
It took me down very dark paths. But I say
to anybody, do what I did. Investigate the evidence. Check
it out in my book The Case for CHRISTI is
helpful great. There are other great books out there. My
good friend Frank Turk wrote one that said, I love
the title. It says I don't have enough faith to
be an atheist.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Lee Strobel, I love your work. I love what you've
done for so many millions, I suppose by now Christians.
The Case for Miraclesmovie dot Com is the website where
you can go get tickets for this film which is
coming out on Monday in select theaters Monday through the eighteenth.
All right, so that's most of the week next week.
(12:49):
Get you tickets thecasefour Miraclesmovie dot Com. And Lee, You're
welcome back here anytime. I hope you can come back.
I'd love to talk to you again anytime. Chris.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Love you and what you do, so as we Texas say,
I appreciate you.
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When it comes to cabinet secretaries under President Donald Trump,
this one probably one of our favorites. It's it's hard
to choose. I mean, look, whenever she shows up on
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the stump, people rave about her just as much as
they went crazy for Bessent this week. She's a star
in her own right. Eh. She's Linda McMahon, Secretary of
Education and joins us again this morning, Madam's secretary. Good
to have you back.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Thank you so much, Chris, It's good to be back.
Normally when I'm talking to you, I'm on the road,
but I happen to be sitting in my office this morning.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Listen. I don't want to you come from the background
show so you appreciate this. I don't want to stoke
any friendly rivalry here, but did you see the reception
Besent got this week on the stump in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I know he's awesome. He should get standing o's everywhere
he goes. I love it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I just you know you deserve them too, because what
you guys are doing at the Department of ed I'm
telling you education is going to be the way to
save kids in the future of this country. So I
just don't I don't want him overshadowing you.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
He won't, I tell you. And the President also, I
believe is one of Donald Trump's main accomplishments when he
has finished this term will be that he will also
be known as the education President. He is so devoted
to making sure that our kids get the best education
in the country that it's not focused and centered in Washington,
d C. That is in their states, closest to their
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parents and their teachers, and because that's where education needs
to be, curriculum developed for communities and states. He's just
clearly on the right track to raise the litlevel of
education across the country.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Am I being Pollyanna and overly optimistic here? Or am
I interpreting that the hard left and the teacher union
types have kind of laid down their arms and acquiesced
and realized that the public is no longer with them
on this issue of command and control. Centralized education. It doesn't.
I remember there was great consternation early in President Trump's
(18:23):
first term here in the first of the year with
you guys making cuts at the at the Department of Ed.
But it seems to have gone away. That's my impression.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, for now there isn't as much for you and
cry against what we're doing. I think because the issue
of school choice, and let me digress. I think the
very first thing when the President basically was sworn in
was the fact that we got our NATE scores, which
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are the national report card scores for our eighth grade
and fourth graders, and the fact that only you know,
thirty percent of could read proficiently. It was just such
a bell ringer moment to know how far down education
was in our country, and the President just launched into this.
(19:13):
You know, this program of this is not acceptable. We
cannot be seen not only what we see across the country,
but also where we fall on international rankings in terms
of our education. We're doing something definitely wrong and it
has to stop and it has change. And I think
there's very little argument at this point from teachers' perspectives,
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because I'll tell you, teachers, I believe I think teachers
the most noble profession we have in our country, and
I believe that our teachers want to be allowed to teach.
When they are allowed to teach their innovative in their classrooms,
they're interacting with their students. They're not teaching to tests,
they're not teaching to, you know, a bureaucratic curriculum that
(19:57):
might have been tried to be dictated on a nationtional basis,
and all of that modes well for US students.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Secretary Linda McMahon of Education joins us this morning, let
me pivot to the student loan issue. Obviously, there are
a lot of people battling with them. I think there
are a lot of people, frankly, that look in the
rearview mirror of taking out tens of thousands of dollars
and wishing they hadn't for degrees that haven't really proved fruitful.
What would you tell someone today, I have two sons,
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one's twenty, one's nineteen. One's going off to school actually
this fall. What would you tell kids like him? Should
I take out student loans, Madam Secretary for my degree?
You would say what?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Well, I would say, look at what the cost the
real cost of that education is going to be. And
one of the things that we have just accomplished here
at the Department of Education is a revamp of the
FAST Program, which is the student loan application process. It
was broken under the Biden administration. We took it on here,
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absolutely revamped it, and now there is a section which
is just previewed and will now be part of the
new application process that will show you what the cost
of that education is going to be, what the typical
earnings are for that profession, and how much is going
to cost you to go to the colleges that you
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have listed on your form that you want these results
sent to. So therefore you have some degree of understanding
of what kind of income you would have to have,
you know, to you know, to pay off your debt.
So it lets parents and students know this is the
degree of debt that you're going to be involved in.
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And for the first time, I think it's like codifying
it for students and parents to look at and say, wow,
this is going to be a lifetime payback or whatever
it's going to be. You know, we have about one
point seven trillion dollars of student debt and I think
I think that's unconscionable. The universities are so high, and
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part of what we are hoping to do as part
of the Presence administration is to start getting these costs down.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Secretary of Education with is lender bing Man. Is
there any avenue to take student loans at that one
point seven trillion dollars in restructure it in a way? Maybe?
I'm sure you and maybe Treasury Secretary Vesson, who we
just mentioned. I was kind of joking, but do you
think there's a creative way that that could be rolled
into home lending to help students kind of manage it
in a different way, maybe through the private sector. Is
(22:30):
there something creative that can be done there to kind
of signal the young people that may feel a little
disaffected Right now, I can tell you great way to
do it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm sorry interrupt. One of the first conversations that Scott
and I had, even before either of us was sworn
in and just having conversations, and I talked about student
loans and how it could be restructured. Part of what
you were saying, is there some private sector involvement that
you know could make sense. But one of the things
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we've done here. The department already is reinstituted as part
of the One Big Beautiful Bill. There is now a
very simple, one way payback system for student loans, not
all of this mish mash of different programs that the
former administration had put into place and just kept the
entire community, you know, in a stir because they weren't
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really sure if their loans are going to be forgiven
or not forgiven and why should they pay. So we
you know, we weren't collecting any loans during almost there
the entirety of Divide administration. But we have started that
program back and so for loans that were you know,
in default, we have now collected almost a billion dollars
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you know in repayments back and so that's a little
bit off point of what you were asking, but it
is to show that there is now some fiscal responsibility
that is being attached to the program.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
But my.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What what Secretary Besson and I really have talked about
is really how to restructure with more of the private
sector involvement for lending students. This should not be a
program that's really on the backs of taxpayers full time.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
For sure. Boy, I hope you can figure that out together.
I certainly have some thoughts, not that you asked, but
I will tell you that I think that's a winner
if you can reach young people with that. Look, we're
coming up on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
this country, and I know you care about that. I
know President Trump cares about that. You've got a very
interesting initiative going on right now called History Rocks. I
want to talk about that with you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Well, we've had now three History Rocks tours. We started
in Pennsylvania, and we were in Delaware. We wound up
in New Jersey. This was just last week. It is
really the most fun. We've gone into a primary and
a middle school with the program. We do a little
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contest with some civics questions after, you know, some commentary
and explanation of what it means to be, you know,
having the biggest birthday coming up in fact, one principle said,
you know, ask the students in the audience. He said,
how many have you love a big birthday party? And
we all raised their hand. He said, well, we're coming
up on the biggest birthday party in our country. Are
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two hundred and fiftieth celebration and it's just amazing and
the response that we're getting everybody loves history rocks and
this Road Independence Tour, which we talk about the decorations
of independence, what it meant to the country. I mean,
we start with very patriotic themes, that Pledge of Allegiance,
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the National Anthem, imagine such radical thoughts and it really is,
I think a good way to reconnect the young people
of our country with the patriotism that I think we've
lost a great deal across the country. I mean, when
I saw that said only about forty one percent of
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eighteen to twenty nine year olds loved their country, and
I thought, wow, how can that be? And I think
it's because they don't know their country. So this tour
that we are doing in combination with about forty different
other coalitions who will bring, you know, some of the
artifacts from museums, They will be giving speeches, and I
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will be able to bet on a lot of these
programs across the States. I just think it's to rev
up again the interest and the knowledge of civics in
our country and how we began and what was sacrificed
in order for our country to be what it is today,
and I think it's incredibly important and it will culminate,
you know, in DC next year around the fourth of
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July when we're going to have this incredible celebration, And
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our country, love of country, civics education, which is absolutely
not taught in schools anymore, and so this is also
to bring light on that and to make sure that
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included in the curriculum. We're encouraging states and cities and
districts to make sure that it is part of the
education of our young people.
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that it's circled around to become a progressive left pitch.
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But it's not good. And I've told you that one
of the reasons this has happened with young white men
in this country and why they're so angry and ticked
off and feel so aggrieved, is because if people like
Democrat state representative in Kentucky, Sarah Stalker, and if you
don't know what I'm talking about, you haven't heard this woman.
(29:12):
Take a listen to something she had to say this
week in open testimony in the Kentucky Legislative Body Chamber
here in number eighty three.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I'm going to be honest. I don't feel good about
being white every day for a lot of reasons. Because
it's a point of privilege that I get to move
through the world in a way that so many of
my other colleagues and friends and family members of the
community don't get the privilege to do. And I'm just
a female, but just a woman, just a white woman.
(29:46):
If I was a white man, I would be functioning
from a point of even greater privilege. I think we're
missing an opportunity when kids, When kids have a moment
to reflect about how the color of their skin does
and does not allow them to move through the world,
(30:07):
it's running to them and trying to stifle that and
trying to say you shouldn't feel bad, so want to
We don't want to ever expose you to something that
is going to make you have to pause and have
maybe some internal feelings. It's a missed opportunity for some
really good dialogue.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This is the Democrat Party. That is a suburban white
lady who has been beating down whites, particularly white young men,
for about a generation. My boys, who are nineteen and
twenty years old, have been hearing that woman in their
ear for most of their lives. And this is why
young men are so vulnerable to some online grievance peddling,
(30:52):
because they've had it with ladies like that. That woman
struck a nerve and has become a viral sensation because
it revealed the ideology consuming the Democrat Party from within.
It's not a vulnerability she's expressing at all, even though
that's how she's trying to mask it. That was a diagnosis.
In that single moment and that clip. You just heard
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this woman, the Sarah Stalker woman, the Kentucky representative. She
exposed the rot that is hollowing out the modern Democrat Party,
a total loss of faith in the American Covenant, the
radical world changing belief that a free society rises or
falls on individual character, not inherited categories, on merit not
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melanin America was built on the exact opposite Creed. Her
party now preaches free markets that reward competence, not your complexion,
religious liberty that measures souls not skin. We have a
bit of rights that shields the lone citizen from the
(31:58):
tyranny of the mob. Opportunity that asks only one question,
what can you do? Not where did you come from?
Or what do you look like? That is meritocracy. It's
the only proven antidote to poverty and tribalism and tyranny.
But today's Democrats, and I'm sorry to say some that
(32:21):
claim to have been conservative or whatever they call themselves,
now they've replaced all that with something dark, really dark.
Racial quotas, inherited guilt, coerced speech, and engineered outcomes, and
they branded all as equity, but really all it is
is authoritarianism painted in a soft cell. Because once you
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demand equal results by race, you've got to control everything
that produces results, from speech to thought, to hiring to
admissions to opportunity itself. You have to start punishing excellence
and script destiny. So when this woman, Sarah Stalker, this
(33:12):
Kentucky representative, this democrat, weeps over her own whiteness, she
isn't confessing personal shame. She's mourning something else, the death
of the old American promise inside her own party, a
party that once lifted people up and now sorts them
into permanent casts. And here's where the architects of identity
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politics never really understand what they're doing. They're shaming young
men for their skin color, and it doesn't humble them,
It hardens them. It tells a generation they're guilty by design,
and sooner or later they stop looking for reconciliation, and
you know what, they start craving retaliation. And that's how
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you feed America's revelation addiction that I've been telling you
about a culture hooked on crisis, primed for apocalypse, desperate
for meaning, because the dignity that comes from merit has
been completely stripped away by people like this Sarah Stalker.
And in the end, it's obvious who the real authoritarians are,
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the people obsessed with your immutable traits, not your immutable rights.
Character and merit aren't slogans. They're the immune system of
a free nation. And if you replace that with racial
scorecards and whatnot, liberty isn't just weakened. It slips into
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remission entirely. This woman isn't the problem, She's the symptom.
And the cure is the same now as it was
two hundred and fifty years ago as it was in
nineteen sixty three. MLKA judge by the content of character,
not color of skin. As Americans know this deep down,
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Democrats know it, and that's why they fight and fight
it so violently. So that's a wrap for another Christa
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That movie opens on Monday in select theaters around the country.
(03:18):
And Lee, good to see you, sir.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Well, great to see you. Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I think, and I mean when I say your book,
I've heard more about it and more Bible studies over
the years. People that are new to the faith have
read The Case for Christ and come around to thinking,
I need to check this out. Did you set out
to do that with your book initially this project or
has it kind of taken on a life of its
own over the years.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, the way I describe it, you being from Chicago
is like Wrigley Field, you know, and Wrigley Field often
the player would hit a ball and be caught by
the centerfielder. But sometimes you don't hit it any harder
and the wind of Chicago takes it out for a
home runder, a grand slam. That's what God did with
this book.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Hit the ball. I wrote the book, but God has.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Taken it beyond anything I ever put into it, and
has taken it to just so many people around the
world who've come to faith. And I get emails almost
virtually every day from some amazing stories, including evil and
evil who came to faith through the book, just so
many people around the world.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I say, I look at that, and I say, I
didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I honestly just feel I just wrote the book, but
for whatever reason, God has chosen by his spirit to
do things with it that I never could have done.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
On my own. I think pastors I hear this from
time to time. My pastor, as a matter of fact,
we talk about you know, I do a mostly secular
political and news show. I talk about my faith. I'm
not afraid to. I love to, as a matter of fact,
That's why I'm grateful to have this conversation. But he
often says, you know, fat heads like you with a
microphone they'll listen to more regularly than me, and a
(04:55):
pulpit that is non believers. And I thought that kind
of an interesting point. I'm sure you've I heard that
over the years that you're here. You are a journalist
who's really not a theologian. Necessarily by training, and you're
getting more eyes and ears than most pastors would I
to have.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
That's funny, it's true.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But you know, my approach to that book and other
books that I've done, including The Case for Miracles, is
that I'm not the world's leading expert on these key things,
but I'm trained in journalism and law, so I'm an investigator.
So I go out, I find the world's leading experts
and I interview them. I questioned them with the questions
I had when I was an atheist or trying to
get them to explain things in a way that I
can understand it. So I figure if I get it,
(05:35):
anybody can get it. And I interview skeptics as well.
In fact, my book, The Case for Miracles, starts three
chapters with an interview with the number one skeptic in America,
Michael Schumer, editor of Skeptic Magazine, And I said, have
your say, why don't you believe in the miraculous? And
he does, and then the rest of the book responds
to the objections that he raises.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The Case for miraclesmovie dot com is where you can
get your tickets and starting Monday and through the eighteenth,
so it's fifteenth through the eighteenth, it's actually be in theaters.
And so when you go to the Case fromiraclesmovie dot com,
up will come a theater close to you where you
can get tickets and go see it. And I hope
that you do. When you hear from people who say
(06:14):
I don't believe it, what is the first thing you
say in response? Today? How do you answer that when
people come to you and say, I just don't I
don't believe it.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, I say, you know what, I didn't either. But
I took two years of my life as an investigative
journalist to investigate what is the historical data for the
truth of Christianity and the data that God is still
in the miracle business today. And I think if four
things are true, we can confidently say a miracle has
taken place. Number one if we have solid medical documentation.
(06:46):
Number two, if we have multiple incredible eyewitnesses who have
no motive to deceive. Number three, if there is no
natural explanation that makes sense. And number four, and it
takes place in the context of prayer. And we have
cases life that that we deal with in my book,
we deal with in the movie Cases published for instance,
and peer reviewed medical journals. Cases where multiple medical researchers
(07:09):
have documented them. These are not just cases that you
hear on the internet and you wonder always that AI
or is that something somebody made up. We're dealing with
documented cases and they are absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Lead. That criteria you just listed, that's intriguing because it
makes me think, and I'm sure you've made them observation,
that same criteria you could apply to scripture, right, and
people of scripture who corroborated their stories, that same line
of questioning you could apply to them. And I assume
you have and did as you were studying scripture and
(07:44):
trying to come to your own belief system on Christianity,
that's right.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean when I did my investigation as an atheist
after my wife would become a Christian, I was trying
to liberator from this cult that she got involved in.
So I figured, all I have to do is disprove
the resurrection of Jesus, and I spent two years doing
that very thing, looking at the historical data, analyzing it,
checking with scholars and scholarly articles published in scholarly journals,
(08:12):
and trying to determine what really took place, what is
the evidence. And I think the evidence, for instance, for
the resurrection of Jesus, which is an incredible miracle that's
the cornerstone of Christianity, is so incredibly strong. In fact,
the greatest defense attorney in the world, Sir lionel Luku
Knight twice by Queen Elizabeth, and I remember the Supreme
(08:33):
Court of his land, who was a skeptic who investigated it,
said that the evidence is in his in his assessment,
irrefutable that Jesus not only claimed to be the son
of God to be backed it up by returning from
the dead.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What do you think about miracles of the scripture versus
miracles people may have experienced today. How do they compare?
How do you talk about that, because I think some
people say, well that's mysticism, you know, or are they're
a little skeptical. How are they different or how are
they similar? In your view?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting question because I think
that modern miracles, which we have the ability to investigate
the medical evidence and so forth, and scientifically we can
we can put these under the microscope and try to
determine are they credible. When we determined that that there
are credible miracles today. That to me gives extra credibility
to the miracles reported, for instance, in the Gospels, because
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we weren't there at the time. We've got reports of
what took place, that Jesus healed the blind and raise
the dead and so forth. But if we have evidence
today that these same kind of miracles are taking place
and we can document those, that gives us increased confidence
that the Gospels are telling us the truth about the
miracles in the first century.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Often it's medical. I know it's not exclusively medical least trouble,
but often it's medical, and you hear doctors. You will
hear reports from people that say there is no earthly
reason I should be alive, and doctors have confirmed it them.
Yet here I am. Is that the kind of thing
you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Some cases like that, Yeah, absolutely. I'll give you a
quick one. A woman who was blind for a dozen
years with juvenile macular degeneration and incurable condition, went to
a school for the blind, learned how to read braille,
married a Baptist pastor, and one night again to go
to bed, he puts his hand on his shoulder, begins
to cry and pray, and he says, Lord I know
you can heal my wife. I know you can do it,
and I pray that you do it tonight. And with
(10:24):
that she opened her eyes and saw her husband for
the first time.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
She said, after years of darkness, I could see perfectly.
I could see.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's a miracle. And sure enough her eyesight remained the
rest of her life. She lived another fifty years. And
what do you do with that? What do you do?
That's the only case in medical literature of anybody ever
being healed, especially spontaneously, of juvenile macular degeneration. And yet
she's healed, just as a prayer is offered to God
(10:52):
for her healing. You know, I'm trying to be logical here.
I think the only way you can deny that is
if you rule out the possibility of the miracles that
they outset and say miracles are impossible. Now show me
your evidence. I don't think that's a reasonable way to
do an investigation. I think the reasonable way is show
me your evidence, and I will go to whatever conclusion
(11:12):
it logically supports.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've often heard it said, is it true ly that
it is its own religion? Atheists are often very, very
smug and proud of the fact that they don't believe
in that cult stuff. But it's its own faith system,
isn't it to not believe it and work so hard
to defy it? That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
A faith is a step we take in the direction
of the evidence. So, in other words, a lot of
atheists say Christianity is believing something that you know in
your heart it can't be true.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
That's not faith.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
They're about twenty arrows of evidence a point in the
direction of Christianity being true.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
We have to take a step of faith. It's a
step in the.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Same direction the evidence is pointing. That's logical, that's rational.
We do that every day of our lives. Atheists have
to take that same step. They have to rely on
their own conclusions and say, based on my intellect, he's
done how I understand things. There is no God, and
so I'm going to put my faith my trust in that,
and live a life accordingly. I did that for years.
(12:08):
It took me down very dark paths. But I say
to anybody, do what I did. Investigate the evidence. Check
it out in my book The Case for CHRISTI is
helpful great. There are other great books out there. My
good friend Frank Turk wrote one that said, I love
the title. It says I don't have enough faith to
be an atheist.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Lee Strobel, I love your work. I love what you've
done for so many millions, I suppose by now Christians.
The Case for Miraclesmovie dot Com is the website where
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All right, so that's most of the week next week.
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welcome back here anytime. I hope you can come back.
I'd love to talk to you again anytime. Chris.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Love you and what you do, so as we Texas say,
I appreciate you.
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Thank you so much, Chris, It's good to be back.
Normally when I'm talking to you, I'm on the road,
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Listen. I don't want to you come from the background
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to making sure that our kids get the best education
in the country that it's not focused and centered in Washington,
d C. That is in their states, closest to their
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parents and their teachers, and because that's where education needs
to be, curriculum developed for communities and states. He's just
clearly on the right track to raise the litlevel of
education across the country.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Am I being Pollyanna and overly optimistic here? Or am
I interpreting that the hard left and the teacher union
types have kind of laid down their arms and acquiesced
and realized that the public is no longer with them
on this issue of command and control. Centralized education. It doesn't.
I remember there was great consternation early in President Trump's
(18:23):
first term here in the first of the year with
you guys making cuts at the at the Department of Ed.
But it seems to have gone away. That's my impression.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, for now there isn't as much for you and
cry against what we're doing. I think because the issue
of school choice, and let me digress. I think the
very first thing when the President basically was sworn in
was the fact that we got our NATE scores, which
(18:52):
are the national report card scores for our eighth grade
and fourth graders, and the fact that only you know,
thirty percent of could read proficiently. It was just such
a bell ringer moment to know how far down education
was in our country, and the President just launched into this.
(19:13):
You know, this program of this is not acceptable. We
cannot be seen not only what we see across the country,
but also where we fall on international rankings in terms
of our education. We're doing something definitely wrong and it
has to stop and it has change. And I think
there's very little argument at this point from teachers' perspectives,
(19:36):
because I'll tell you, teachers, I believe I think teachers
the most noble profession we have in our country, and
I believe that our teachers want to be allowed to teach.
When they are allowed to teach their innovative in their classrooms,
they're interacting with their students. They're not teaching to tests,
they're not teaching to, you know, a bureaucratic curriculum that
(19:57):
might have been tried to be dictated on a nationtional basis,
and all of that modes well for US students.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Secretary Linda McMahon of Education joins us this morning, let
me pivot to the student loan issue. Obviously, there are
a lot of people battling with them. I think there
are a lot of people, frankly, that look in the
rearview mirror of taking out tens of thousands of dollars
and wishing they hadn't for degrees that haven't really proved fruitful.
What would you tell someone today, I have two sons,
(20:25):
one's twenty, one's nineteen. One's going off to school actually
this fall. What would you tell kids like him? Should
I take out student loans, Madam Secretary for my degree?
You would say what?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Well, I would say, look at what the cost the
real cost of that education is going to be. And
one of the things that we have just accomplished here
at the Department of Education is a revamp of the
FAST Program, which is the student loan application process. It
was broken under the Biden administration. We took it on here,
(21:00):
absolutely revamped it, and now there is a section which
is just previewed and will now be part of the
new application process that will show you what the cost
of that education is going to be, what the typical
earnings are for that profession, and how much is going
to cost you to go to the colleges that you
(21:21):
have listed on your form that you want these results
sent to. So therefore you have some degree of understanding
of what kind of income you would have to have,
you know, to you know, to pay off your debt.
So it lets parents and students know this is the
degree of debt that you're going to be involved in.
(21:42):
And for the first time, I think it's like codifying
it for students and parents to look at and say, wow,
this is going to be a lifetime payback or whatever
it's going to be. You know, we have about one
point seven trillion dollars of student debt and I think
I think that's unconscionable. The universities are so high, and
(22:03):
part of what we are hoping to do as part
of the Presence administration is to start getting these costs down.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Secretary of Education with is lender bing Man. Is
there any avenue to take student loans at that one
point seven trillion dollars in restructure it in a way? Maybe?
I'm sure you and maybe Treasury Secretary Vesson, who we
just mentioned. I was kind of joking, but do you
think there's a creative way that that could be rolled
into home lending to help students kind of manage it
in a different way, maybe through the private sector. Is
(22:30):
there something creative that can be done there to kind
of signal the young people that may feel a little
disaffected Right now, I can tell you great way to
do it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm sorry interrupt. One of the first conversations that Scott
and I had, even before either of us was sworn
in and just having conversations, and I talked about student
loans and how it could be restructured. Part of what
you were saying, is there some private sector involvement that
you know could make sense. But one of the things
(22:59):
we've done here. The department already is reinstituted as part
of the One Big Beautiful Bill. There is now a
very simple, one way payback system for student loans, not
all of this mish mash of different programs that the
former administration had put into place and just kept the
entire community, you know, in a stir because they weren't
(23:24):
really sure if their loans are going to be forgiven
or not forgiven and why should they pay. So we
you know, we weren't collecting any loans during almost there
the entirety of Divide administration. But we have started that
program back and so for loans that were you know,
in default, we have now collected almost a billion dollars
(23:46):
you know in repayments back and so that's a little
bit off point of what you were asking, but it
is to show that there is now some fiscal responsibility
that is being attached to the program.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
But my.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What what Secretary Besson and I really have talked about
is really how to restructure with more of the private
sector involvement for lending students. This should not be a
program that's really on the backs of taxpayers full time.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
For sure. Boy, I hope you can figure that out together.
I certainly have some thoughts, not that you asked, but
I will tell you that I think that's a winner
if you can reach young people with that. Look, we're
coming up on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
this country, and I know you care about that. I
know President Trump cares about that. You've got a very
interesting initiative going on right now called History Rocks. I
want to talk about that with you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Well, we've had now three History Rocks tours. We started
in Pennsylvania, and we were in Delaware. We wound up
in New Jersey. This was just last week. It is
really the most fun. We've gone into a primary and
a middle school with the program. We do a little
(24:58):
contest with some civics questions after, you know, some commentary
and explanation of what it means to be, you know,
having the biggest birthday coming up in fact, one principle said,
you know, ask the students in the audience. He said,
how many have you love a big birthday party? And
we all raised their hand. He said, well, we're coming
up on the biggest birthday party in our country. Are
(25:19):
two hundred and fiftieth celebration and it's just amazing and
the response that we're getting everybody loves history rocks and
this Road Independence Tour, which we talk about the decorations
of independence, what it meant to the country. I mean,
we start with very patriotic themes, that Pledge of Allegiance,
(25:40):
the National Anthem, imagine such radical thoughts and it really is,
I think a good way to reconnect the young people
of our country with the patriotism that I think we've
lost a great deal across the country. I mean, when
I saw that said only about forty one percent of
(26:03):
eighteen to twenty nine year olds loved their country, and
I thought, wow, how can that be? And I think
it's because they don't know their country. So this tour
that we are doing in combination with about forty different
other coalitions who will bring, you know, some of the
artifacts from museums, They will be giving speeches, and I
(26:25):
will be able to bet on a lot of these
programs across the States. I just think it's to rev
up again the interest and the knowledge of civics in
our country and how we began and what was sacrificed
in order for our country to be what it is today,
and I think it's incredibly important and it will culminate,
you know, in DC next year around the fourth of
(26:48):
July when we're going to have this incredible celebration, And
in conjunction with this tour, there is the president seventeen
seventy six contests that's it will be happening a little
bit like a spelling be across the country and the winners,
you know, they'll first you know, win you know, local,
and then states and districts and come to d C.
(27:09):
And they're quite quite handsome prizes for the winners in
the end. So it's all about generating again interests in
our country, love of country, civics education, which is absolutely
not taught in schools anymore, and so this is also
to bring light on that and to make sure that
(27:29):
included in the curriculum. We're encouraging states and cities and
districts to make sure that it is part of the
education of our young people.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Madam Secretary, we're always grateful for your time, thanks for
the work you're doing for the future of young people
in this country. And Merry Christmas to you, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
The same to you, Chris Hey.
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of these people has now gone so far one direction
that it's circled around to become a progressive left pitch.
(28:52):
But it's not good. And I've told you that one
of the reasons this has happened with young white men
in this country and why they're so angry and ticked
off and feel so aggrieved, is because if people like
Democrat state representative in Kentucky, Sarah Stalker, and if you
don't know what I'm talking about, you haven't heard this woman.
(29:12):
Take a listen to something she had to say this
week in open testimony in the Kentucky Legislative Body Chamber
here in number eighty three.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I'm going to be honest. I don't feel good about
being white every day for a lot of reasons. Because
it's a point of privilege that I get to move
through the world in a way that so many of
my other colleagues and friends and family members of the
community don't get the privilege to do. And I'm just
a female, but just a woman, just a white woman.
(29:46):
If I was a white man, I would be functioning
from a point of even greater privilege. I think we're
missing an opportunity when kids, When kids have a moment
to reflect about how the color of their skin does
and does not allow them to move through the world,
(30:07):
it's running to them and trying to stifle that and
trying to say you shouldn't feel bad, so want to
We don't want to ever expose you to something that
is going to make you have to pause and have
maybe some internal feelings. It's a missed opportunity for some
really good dialogue.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
This is the Democrat Party. That is a suburban white
lady who has been beating down whites, particularly white young men,
for about a generation. My boys, who are nineteen and
twenty years old, have been hearing that woman in their
ear for most of their lives. And this is why
young men are so vulnerable to some online grievance peddling,
(30:52):
because they've had it with ladies like that. That woman
struck a nerve and has become a viral sensation because
it revealed the ideology consuming the Democrat Party from within.
It's not a vulnerability she's expressing at all, even though
that's how she's trying to mask it. That was a diagnosis.
In that single moment and that clip. You just heard
(31:13):
this woman, the Sarah Stalker woman, the Kentucky representative. She
exposed the rot that is hollowing out the modern Democrat Party,
a total loss of faith in the American Covenant, the
radical world changing belief that a free society rises or
falls on individual character, not inherited categories, on merit not
(31:35):
melanin America was built on the exact opposite Creed. Her
party now preaches free markets that reward competence, not your complexion,
religious liberty that measures souls not skin. We have a
bit of rights that shields the lone citizen from the
(31:58):
tyranny of the mob. Opportunity that asks only one question,
what can you do? Not where did you come from?
Or what do you look like? That is meritocracy. It's
the only proven antidote to poverty and tribalism and tyranny.
But today's Democrats, and I'm sorry to say some that
(32:21):
claim to have been conservative or whatever they call themselves,
now they've replaced all that with something dark, really dark.
Racial quotas, inherited guilt, coerced speech, and engineered outcomes, and
they branded all as equity, but really all it is
is authoritarianism painted in a soft cell. Because once you
(32:48):
demand equal results by race, you've got to control everything
that produces results, from speech to thought, to hiring to
admissions to opportunity itself. You have to start punishing excellence
and script destiny. So when this woman, Sarah Stalker, this
(33:12):
Kentucky representative, this democrat, weeps over her own whiteness, she
isn't confessing personal shame. She's mourning something else, the death
of the old American promise inside her own party, a
party that once lifted people up and now sorts them
into permanent casts. And here's where the architects of identity
(33:34):
politics never really understand what they're doing. They're shaming young
men for their skin color, and it doesn't humble them,
It hardens them. It tells a generation they're guilty by design,
and sooner or later they stop looking for reconciliation, and
you know what, they start craving retaliation. And that's how
(33:55):
you feed America's revelation addiction that I've been telling you
about a culture hooked on crisis, primed for apocalypse, desperate
for meaning, because the dignity that comes from merit has
been completely stripped away by people like this Sarah Stalker.
And in the end, it's obvious who the real authoritarians are,
(34:15):
the people obsessed with your immutable traits, not your immutable rights.
Character and merit aren't slogans. They're the immune system of
a free nation. And if you replace that with racial
scorecards and whatnot, liberty isn't just weakened. It slips into
(34:38):
remission entirely. This woman isn't the problem, She's the symptom.
And the cure is the same now as it was
two hundred and fifty years ago as it was in
nineteen sixty three. MLKA judge by the content of character,
not color of skin. As Americans know this deep down,
(35:02):
Democrats know it, and that's why they fight and fight
it so violently. So that's a wrap for another Christa
Gall Show podcast. Thanks for committing to it, listening to
it all the way through. You're a fighter. I like
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