April 8, 2025 • 19 mins
With Chrissie away today and Jack needing to voice his opinions on the most recent season of The White Lotus, producer Tom has stepped up to the task. Tune in to get all the deets and our thoughts and opinions on everything The White Lotus had to offer this year.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The Chrisy Swan Show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, listeners of The Chrissy Swan Show podcast. As you
may have noticed today, it was a best of show,
but we didn't say that on air, and there was
something that I very much wanted to talk about on
today's show that we didn't get a chance to do.
And with Chrissy been away, Tom is joining me in
the studio. Hello, our producer who equally loves The White
(00:27):
Lotus as much as I do. Swanny hasn't watched it, no,
so you would have heard it referenced on air, but
we haven't actually really gone deep on it. No, we haven't,
And last night was obviously the season three finale, and
there's so much to cover off you and I Tom
have just been writing down things that we want to mention,
and I just want to start with the headline from
(00:48):
Stuart Heritage at The Guardian, whose review starts off by
saying the White Lotus season three finale review the show's
least satisfying ending ever, like.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What a incorrect point of view?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I agree? I agree. It does feel like the general
consensus of last night's finale.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is that, Okay, I get that, But what I've been
trying to tell people. I feel like, across this whole season,
people are like, nothing's happening, Nothing's happening. I'm like, don't
you understand the premise.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Of a great show.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
A great show, it's meant to be a slow burn,
and then it's meant to in this season finale go
absolutely like bonkers.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I agree. I agree with that, and I fully concur
and the other thing that I like to sort of
I was arguing with a friend on Instagram last night, Catherine,
about this, and she said the whole season was boring
and what all seven episodes were just for that, And
I'm like, what you need to understand is when you're
watching The White Lotus, and I think Mike White has
done this when producing and writing the show, is you
(01:53):
need to watch it through the lens of like a
big brother, like a social experiment, yes, or a reality show.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well, because he's a huge fan of Survivor. I don't
know if you're like, he's obsessed with Survivor.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
He was on Survival Yeah, what reality He was on Survivor.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So it's kind of like he's like playing out like
a dramatic version of exactly all of those reality TV
tropes in a dramatic setting exactly right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So I think people need to shift their mind, like
you're not watching adolescents or criminal minds. No, and the
I saw a TikTok that really summed this up for
me this morning. Quote someone said the White lotuses for
the people watches and nosy people and have never related
to anything more. I don't need a crazy plot. Watching
this show feels like eavesdropping on random people's conversations, and
(02:37):
that's what makes it so entertaining. My friend Maddy and
I literally said this morning, we were recently a user
sitting by and Madden and I was sitting by the
pool and we literally felt like we were on the
White Lotus because we were just people watching. And that's
what I feel like Mike White has tried to capture.
So don't shade it by saying nothing happens. It's like, no,
find some nuance.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And also we have to find the little bits in
it to carry us over to the next episode, like,
for example, spoiler alert the blender. Like the blender was
brought in episode one and I saw so many things
online about people like the blender has something to do
with the ending, there's something to do with something to
do with it, lo and.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Behold the Blender season finale. It's like a huge plot point.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
A huge plot point. And in sort of next to
that was the fruit Was it one that she said
that fruits poisonous?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And then full circle comes to the end.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And also I don't know, like if you felt this
way watching that finale, it's we Initially we were thought
that Timothy was going to die from the blender, and
then it switched to Lachlan, and then all of a sudden,
it wasn't him.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It had nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It was like, that's that was That's the point of it.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That was the point. And also speaking whilst we're on
the blender, actually this is really dark and grim. I'm
kind of flat, is it Lachland the Sun's name? Yes,
I'm kind of flat.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh my god, same, I'm like, no, die diet, leave
him dead.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Because also it would have been poetic that he wanted
to kill the four family members that said they couldn't
be rich.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yes, and then all.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Of a sudden the opposite one dies, Like I thought
that would have been like really a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I agree, and very dark of mak Mike White, which
is why we love him. Don't let him live.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Speaking of tragedies, though, that's what I wanted to say.
I saw so.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Much online about how people were disappointed that this finale
wasn't like a funny death, like it was actually sad. Yeah,
Like because the previous two seasons, like when she fell
off the boat, I laughed.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I thought it was hilariousable when she hit her head,
I was like, this is so funny.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And then like season one, him shooting in the suitcase,
it was like, this is hilarious. Oh he's dead, but
sad but ha ha ha, whereas this season was like,
there wasn't really anything funny.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was sad. I was so sad. I'm so twisted
and dark. I did laugh when she looks up and
she goes, he's your father, was like, look, she killed it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I thought you were gonna laugh.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I thought you were gonna say that you laughed when
the camera panned to Chelsea and there was a shot.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh, I know that was sad, but also that no,
I found that quite beautiful because she just said was
in that last night's episode she said you and I
will always be together, and he said that's the plan.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yes, And it was like she'd heard everything that she
needed to hear. Yep, and then now she's dead.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
What was your highlight? What scene stood out? She was
a highlight from last night, aside from the obvious last
ten minute.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah right, no, okay. For me, it had to be
Piper's monologue.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh actually no, it was two. There was two, can
I say too? Yeah, go to It was the two
big monologues.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, agreed.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So it was like it was Piper talking about how
she couldn't she couldn't be poor, Like I thought that
was hilarious, and her laughing about like like the food.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Like it wasn't organic and like yeah, like that was
just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I didn't see that coming either. I didn't think she
would come around like to die.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And then and her Victoria's face when she was hugging
her and like put the thumbs up, like that was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And then the other part that the other part of
the that I loved.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Was the three Friends carry Koon Carrie Coon's monologue about
lack not really feeling like she can fit in, but
she's just happy to have a seat at the table
with her friends and like kind of living vicariously through
her friend's lives.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I feel like that's so relatable for people, so poignant.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
My housemates shout out to Contas, literally started calling out crying.
I was like, you talk about being seen, Yeah, let's
enjoy a little bit of that. Yeah, I have no
belief system, may well.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I mean I've had a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean work was my religion for forever, but I
definitely lost my belief there.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
That's relatable.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Then, yes, And then I fed and that was just
a painful.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Religion just made everything worse. That's and then even for me,
just like being a mother, that didn't save me either.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But I have this epiphany today, I don't need religion
or God to give my life meaning, because time gives
it meaning. We started this life together, I mean, we're
(07:17):
going through it apart, but we're still together. And I
look at you guys, and it feels meaningful. And I
can't explain it, but even when we're just sitting around
the pool talking about whatever and name ship, it still
feels very fucking deep. The way that they look at
her that I'm glad you have a beautiful face, thank you,
(07:44):
and I'm glad that you have a beautiful life, and
I'm just happy to be at the table that was
(08:04):
so and unbelievably do with it. See, I would have
liked to have seen more of those three last night.
I'm trying to think who I would have sort of
cut out, but I just think I would have really
liked to have seen more of their like nice moments
towards the end of the episode, because we saw them
reconnecting and like, yeah, laughing, but I just was like, no,
I want some dialogue there.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I think it was nice to It was a nice
surprise because I I think I was saying the whole
time that the show was airing, They're gonna explode, They're
gonna explode, They're gonna lack you know whatever. It was
actually kind of nice for them kind of not to
do that. I thought it was actually quite surprising to
then see them actually support each other and come together.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, that was really cute. Agreed. Agreed, And also like,
I would happily see those three again.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I hope, So I hope they carry over.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, the Creasy Swan Show, The Creasy Swan Show.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Okay, there are some things that fans were mad about
that I've jotted down last night's finale. The first one
we've got here is the fact we saw in one
of the earlier episodes that Kate and Victoria knew each
other before the holiday, and it was only mentioned once.
Oh my god, of course, so Parker Posey's character Victoria. Yeah,
and who plays Kate again, Leslie bib Leslie Bibb's character.
(09:19):
That people wanted that to be explored further. Yes, again,
I'm fine with it having not been. That's just a
little fun nugget.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And I feel like that was probably that whole thing
was to show that monologue that Parker Posey does about
la rich people and like not maybe that was.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, I don't know, it's just not that good about it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, well see it wasn't that memorable. Okay. The next thing,
people weren't happy about Saxon and his little brother's interaction
in the finale, simply being like, don't bring that up again.
I don't want to talk about it. People wanted more
from it. I'm like, what more. We saw a full
incest scene in like one or two. Yeah, it's all
(09:58):
a blow now, but in this season.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
He stared at him starting to wank in the first episode.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So I don't understand what more you could possibly want
from that. And again when people say, oh, nothing happened
at the start of the season, that happened. Yeah, okay,
the next one, but also.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
How are you meant to finish that in a really
I mean, I know it's not a realist it's a
drama show, but like in a sort of semi realistic way,
how do you finish that?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
How do you put a bowl on that sort of thing?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Like, okay, like if brothers like a performing incest, like
how they're going to be like, let's not talk about
that ever.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Again, that is how exactly that's how it would actually.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Agree with you out And again back to our point
at the start of this podcast, you need to have
the nuance to watch this show through a lens of like, hey,
I'm watching like a Big Brother social experience. Yes, not
criminal lines. All right. The next one was the reaction
people wanted to see the ratcliffs Victoria, especially reacting to
being broke.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah right, I mean hilarious.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's one that I kind of do agree with, Like
I would have loved to have seen her have a
full menty be really like much like the very first
episode of Ship's creak.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
But that's but to my point, that's a whole nother series.
That's a whole nother show, that's a spinoff bring her
back last season.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We don't have time to talk about that. It would
be a waste. It would be a waste to shove
that into two minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, but then he doesn't bring things back all the time.
Mike White doesn't, so like unless and I don't. I
can't see that he's about to start going off into
spin offs. He's too no the White loaders for that. Yeah,
so I do. That's one that I've read that I
kind of agree with. Yeah, oh, this one absolutely don't.
Muk is the most famous person on that show. Why
didn't she have a bigger role or why didn't we
see more of her? I love that just because she's famous,
(11:38):
he hasn't put such a spotlight on her role.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And you know what, I kind of love that she
was like kind of an asshole, like do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like, yeah, what's she from again?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
From Black Pink?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Like she's apparently in Thailand. She's like God, She's like, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And Thai people love celebrities, yes, Like so you can see, Yeah,
I think I'm again, and I.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Think it would be also, like it would be too
easy for people to figure out who's going to die,
what's going to happen if like the big famous person
is a part of that storyline, like like really close
to it. But I feel like it was kind of
cool that she was. Yeah, not what we expected, agreed.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And I also just while we're on that is it gaetok,
that's gytalk guy tok. I could not stand his character.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I thought he was but I mean it was hilarious
that he became a bodyguard in the end, because there's
no way that he would survive as a bodyguard at all.
The only reason he got that job was because he
was forced to shoot back to shoot Walter Goggan's character
like Rick, Like he only did it because that woman
was screaming at him like shoot.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Him sha several times. I think if I were to
give one bit of feedback, oh, I can't to Mike Hitet,
I needed far less mook and guytalk this seat past season. Yeah,
I would have loved to have seen more of the
girls or more of Parker Posey's character.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, I feel like he was ticking the box of
like showing the staff with those characters, but I feel
like there was more interesting staff characters, like the hotel
manager that performed like I would have preferred to maybe
follow his storyline a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I didn't like him either him, and you know, I
did wish I saw more of the Australian that Oh.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
My god, the news she's kiwi Yeah, that walks.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Around with the phone sack. She was hillearious, she was brilliant.
That sort of puts me into the next point that
people weren't happy about the fact that Gay Talk am
I saying his name right, Guy Talk welly Guy took
figured out who robbed the hotel, and that we didn't
get to see any more of that, But again, no
we don't. I don't need to see any more of that.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
But also I feel like, I mean, we love this show, like,
but it was the it ticks the box at the
end of episode seven when he was at the fight, yes,
and it all all came together and it was like,
oh my god, he's figured out who it is. He's
like that was the oh my god moment, and then
we didn't need that in a day because it was
more to come.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And back to what you said earlier, in real life,
that's what would have happened. A hotel employee would have
shut their mouth and not jeopardized their job or other
people's jobs. So they're not going to say anything. Again,
people have some just.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Don't get it. They just don't.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You just don't get it. Okay, that's all of the
points I wanted to go through of people being angry.
The next thing I wanted to ask about was how
you rate this season compared to the other three.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Okay, I feel like this is going to get a
lot of like, I mean, I don't know whether we'll
be aligned or not.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I think in third place, I'm the first season.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Season one.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
As much as I love it, it's like so I
haven't watched it actually in a while. I probably should
go back and watch it. I agree, But I just
feel like in terms of being iconic, I just feel
like it was the first season.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The first season never is.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like the best, and it wasn't as weird or like,
and there was way more characters, so.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
H there were so many more Sydney swinging Connie Britain
were iconic though. But I agree, yes, okay, in number
three we agree with that is yeah, season one.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, in second place. Yep, I put season.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Two, Oh I put season three.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
No. Yeah, I think season two was iconic, but I
think this season I loved it more because again third time,
like back, we know the vibe, we know what we're
getting in for, we know that it's going to be
a slow burn, and I loved that there was only
like four major characters, like four major groups of characters.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Do you think there were that much more in season two,
because I do feel like in season two I fell
a bit more in love with like your Theo, James's
Orbreu Plaza. Yeah, that whole friendship group. I got so
much out of it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
But that was four characters as opposed to like the
friends in this was three. I know it's only one difference,
but like, I just feel like there was way more
happening in that. Yeah, I know, its second season, and
I just felt like maybe the third was a little
bit more easy to follow in terms of like what
was happening, and I feel like were less loose ends.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But in this season as opposed to the second.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Okay, well, I feel like people would disagree with you
on that. The other reason I think season two trump
season three for me is I love Thailand, but the
location of Telmina, like the unbelievable the hotel was unmatched,
even just the entrance, like you'd have that like foyer
that they did a lot of scenes in yep, the
(16:23):
pool was stunning, and I think I just love Jennifer
Colidge on that boat at yeah, I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
How I could when she flipped off that boat, I
like pissed myself and Leo Woodle and the uncle and
then him him dumping the girl on the and then
going hand with his uncle on all fours. Alright, let's
finish with your favorite Victoria Ratcliff scene, Okay, I like
(16:50):
I have to go with the you want to Let
in Taiwan. I just feel like that was like unbelievable,
the Boodhism Piper no.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Like yeah, pis obviously.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Gone into the stratosphere.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I feel like the you want to Live in Taiwan
and then like honorable mention, this is a Victoria Radcliffe.
But I just feel like we can't do this podcast
without mentioning the Sam Rockwell monologue about Lady Boys and
touched on that, like that was that was perfection, like unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know, that was really really great. Mine would have
to have been from last night, and I forget when
she goes when he in the finale, Jason Isaac's character
stops making the smoothie yes and quickly shoves it all
out of their hands, those glasses, and then she says,
what did she What did she say about the wye?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
She was like, have you heard of wine?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Have you heard of wine? And then she tries to
saynkak like she stumbles over that, and I was just like,
that is just peak, like what Victoria rap character would be.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think she was a good Jennifer
Coolidge ultimate. I thought he Mike White did a good
job of like filling that void of.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Essentially ticking the boxes for all the gays want those
iconic lines. Yeah. There is just one other thing I
do want to bring up that I think people would
find interesting is that Mike White revealed in the official
podcast for The White Lotus that a scene was cut
in one of the final episodes in the finale actually,
and that was a scene with Piper losing her virginity
(18:30):
to Natasha's Natasha Rothwell's character Belinda's son z interesting Zion
zeon Yeah, Zion zion. I again, I think that was
the right move. I think is this innocent, lovable, sort
of nerd burger. I don't think we need to see
her losing a virginity.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And I think as I was saying that monologue that
she did about like not wanting to be poor, like,
I think that was enough.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
That was ever?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Was it? We didn't need?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, he was hot though he was he was kind
of annoying though.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was like, do you reckon? Yeah? I dug him.
I thought he was great. Alrighty, that's us done. I
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, listeners of The Chrissy Swan Show podcast. As you
may have noticed today, it was a best of show,
but we didn't say that on air, and there was
something that I very much wanted to talk about on
today's show that we didn't get a chance to do.
And with Chrissy been away, Tom is joining me in
the studio. Hello, our producer who equally loves The White
(00:27):
Lotus as much as I do. Swanny hasn't watched it, no,
so you would have heard it referenced on air, but
we haven't actually really gone deep on it. No, we haven't,
And last night was obviously the season three finale, and
there's so much to cover off you and I Tom
have just been writing down things that we want to mention,
and I just want to start with the headline from
(00:48):
Stuart Heritage at The Guardian, whose review starts off by
saying the White Lotus season three finale review the show's
least satisfying ending ever, like.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What a incorrect point of view?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I agree? I agree. It does feel like the general
consensus of last night's finale.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is that, Okay, I get that, But what I've been
trying to tell people. I feel like, across this whole season,
people are like, nothing's happening, Nothing's happening. I'm like, don't
you understand the premise.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Of a great show.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
A great show, it's meant to be a slow burn,
and then it's meant to in this season finale go
absolutely like bonkers.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I agree. I agree with that, and I fully concur
and the other thing that I like to sort of
I was arguing with a friend on Instagram last night, Catherine,
about this, and she said the whole season was boring
and what all seven episodes were just for that, And
I'm like, what you need to understand is when you're
watching The White Lotus, and I think Mike White has
done this when producing and writing the show, is you
(01:53):
need to watch it through the lens of like a
big brother, like a social experiment, yes, or a reality show.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well, because he's a huge fan of Survivor. I don't
know if you're like, he's obsessed with Survivor.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
He was on Survival Yeah, what reality He was on Survivor.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So it's kind of like he's like playing out like
a dramatic version of exactly all of those reality TV
tropes in a dramatic setting exactly right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So I think people need to shift their mind, like
you're not watching adolescents or criminal minds. No, and the
I saw a TikTok that really summed this up for
me this morning. Quote someone said the White lotuses for
the people watches and nosy people and have never related
to anything more. I don't need a crazy plot. Watching
this show feels like eavesdropping on random people's conversations, and
(02:37):
that's what makes it so entertaining. My friend Maddy and
I literally said this morning, we were recently a user
sitting by and Madden and I was sitting by the
pool and we literally felt like we were on the
White Lotus because we were just people watching. And that's
what I feel like Mike White has tried to capture.
So don't shade it by saying nothing happens. It's like, no,
find some nuance.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And also we have to find the little bits in
it to carry us over to the next episode, like,
for example, spoiler alert the blender. Like the blender was
brought in episode one and I saw so many things
online about people like the blender has something to do
with the ending, there's something to do with something to
do with it, lo and.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Behold the Blender season finale. It's like a huge plot point.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
A huge plot point. And in sort of next to
that was the fruit Was it one that she said
that fruits poisonous?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And then full circle comes to the end.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And also I don't know, like if you felt this
way watching that finale, it's we Initially we were thought
that Timothy was going to die from the blender, and
then it switched to Lachlan, and then all of a sudden,
it wasn't him.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It had nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It was like, that's that was That's the point of it.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That was the point. And also speaking whilst we're on
the blender, actually this is really dark and grim. I'm
kind of flat, is it Lachland the Sun's name? Yes,
I'm kind of flat.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh my god, same, I'm like, no, die diet, leave
him dead.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Because also it would have been poetic that he wanted
to kill the four family members that said they couldn't
be rich.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yes, and then all.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Of a sudden the opposite one dies, Like I thought
that would have been like really a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I agree, and very dark of mak Mike White, which
is why we love him. Don't let him live.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Speaking of tragedies, though, that's what I wanted to say.
I saw so.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Much online about how people were disappointed that this finale
wasn't like a funny death, like it was actually sad. Yeah,
Like because the previous two seasons, like when she fell
off the boat, I laughed.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I thought it was hilariousable when she hit her head,
I was like, this is so funny.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And then like season one, him shooting in the suitcase,
it was like, this is hilarious. Oh he's dead, but
sad but ha ha ha, whereas this season was like,
there wasn't really anything funny.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was sad. I was so sad. I'm so twisted
and dark. I did laugh when she looks up and
she goes, he's your father, was like, look, she killed it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I thought you were gonna laugh.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I thought you were gonna say that you laughed when
the camera panned to Chelsea and there was a shot.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh, I know that was sad, but also that no,
I found that quite beautiful because she just said was
in that last night's episode she said you and I
will always be together, and he said that's the plan.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yes, And it was like she'd heard everything that she
needed to hear. Yep, and then now she's dead.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
What was your highlight? What scene stood out? She was
a highlight from last night, aside from the obvious last
ten minute.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah right, no, okay. For me, it had to be
Piper's monologue.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh actually no, it was two. There was two, can
I say too? Yeah, go to It was the two
big monologues.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, agreed.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So it was like it was Piper talking about how
she couldn't she couldn't be poor, Like I thought that
was hilarious, and her laughing about like like the food.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Like it wasn't organic and like yeah, like that was
just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I didn't see that coming either. I didn't think she
would come around like to die.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And then and her Victoria's face when she was hugging
her and like put the thumbs up, like that was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And then the other part that the other part of
the that I loved.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Was the three Friends carry Koon Carrie Coon's monologue about
lack not really feeling like she can fit in, but
she's just happy to have a seat at the table
with her friends and like kind of living vicariously through
her friend's lives.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I feel like that's so relatable for people, so poignant.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
My housemates shout out to Contas, literally started calling out crying.
I was like, you talk about being seen, Yeah, let's
enjoy a little bit of that. Yeah, I have no
belief system, may well.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I mean I've had a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean work was my religion for forever, but I
definitely lost my belief there.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
That's relatable.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Then, yes, And then I fed and that was just
a painful.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Religion just made everything worse. That's and then even for me,
just like being a mother, that didn't save me either.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But I have this epiphany today, I don't need religion
or God to give my life meaning, because time gives
it meaning. We started this life together, I mean, we're
(07:17):
going through it apart, but we're still together. And I
look at you guys, and it feels meaningful. And I
can't explain it, but even when we're just sitting around
the pool talking about whatever and name ship, it still
feels very fucking deep. The way that they look at
her that I'm glad you have a beautiful face, thank you,
(07:44):
and I'm glad that you have a beautiful life, and
I'm just happy to be at the table that was
(08:04):
so and unbelievably do with it. See, I would have
liked to have seen more of those three last night.
I'm trying to think who I would have sort of
cut out, but I just think I would have really
liked to have seen more of their like nice moments
towards the end of the episode, because we saw them
reconnecting and like, yeah, laughing, but I just was like, no,
I want some dialogue there.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I think it was nice to It was a nice
surprise because I I think I was saying the whole
time that the show was airing, They're gonna explode, They're
gonna explode, They're gonna lack you know whatever. It was
actually kind of nice for them kind of not to
do that. I thought it was actually quite surprising to
then see them actually support each other and come together.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, that was really cute. Agreed. Agreed, And also like,
I would happily see those three again.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I hope, So I hope they carry over.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, the Creasy Swan Show, The Creasy Swan Show.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Okay, there are some things that fans were mad about
that I've jotted down last night's finale. The first one
we've got here is the fact we saw in one
of the earlier episodes that Kate and Victoria knew each
other before the holiday, and it was only mentioned once.
Oh my god, of course, so Parker Posey's character Victoria. Yeah,
and who plays Kate again, Leslie bib Leslie Bibb's character.
(09:19):
That people wanted that to be explored further. Yes, again,
I'm fine with it having not been. That's just a
little fun nugget.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And I feel like that was probably that whole thing
was to show that monologue that Parker Posey does about
la rich people and like not maybe that was.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, I don't know, it's just not that good about it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, well see it wasn't that memorable. Okay. The next thing,
people weren't happy about Saxon and his little brother's interaction
in the finale, simply being like, don't bring that up again.
I don't want to talk about it. People wanted more
from it. I'm like, what more. We saw a full
incest scene in like one or two. Yeah, it's all
(09:58):
a blow now, but in this season.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
He stared at him starting to wank in the first episode.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So I don't understand what more you could possibly want
from that. And again when people say, oh, nothing happened
at the start of the season, that happened. Yeah, okay,
the next one, but also.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
How are you meant to finish that in a really
I mean, I know it's not a realist it's a
drama show, but like in a sort of semi realistic way,
how do you finish that?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
How do you put a bowl on that sort of thing?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Like, okay, like if brothers like a performing incest, like
how they're going to be like, let's not talk about
that ever.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Again, that is how exactly that's how it would actually.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Agree with you out And again back to our point
at the start of this podcast, you need to have
the nuance to watch this show through a lens of like, hey,
I'm watching like a Big Brother social experience. Yes, not
criminal lines. All right. The next one was the reaction
people wanted to see the ratcliffs Victoria, especially reacting to
being broke.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah right, I mean hilarious.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's one that I kind of do agree with, Like
I would have loved to have seen her have a
full menty be really like much like the very first
episode of Ship's creak.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
But that's but to my point, that's a whole nother series.
That's a whole nother show, that's a spinoff bring her
back last season.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We don't have time to talk about that. It would
be a waste. It would be a waste to shove
that into two minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, but then he doesn't bring things back all the time.
Mike White doesn't, so like unless and I don't. I
can't see that he's about to start going off into
spin offs. He's too no the White loaders for that. Yeah,
so I do. That's one that I've read that I
kind of agree with. Yeah, oh, this one absolutely don't.
Muk is the most famous person on that show. Why
didn't she have a bigger role or why didn't we
see more of her? I love that just because she's famous,
(11:38):
he hasn't put such a spotlight on her role.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And you know what, I kind of love that she
was like kind of an asshole, like do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like, yeah, what's she from again?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
From Black Pink?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Like she's apparently in Thailand. She's like God, She's like, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And Thai people love celebrities, yes, Like so you can see, Yeah,
I think I'm again, and I.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Think it would be also, like it would be too
easy for people to figure out who's going to die,
what's going to happen if like the big famous person
is a part of that storyline, like like really close
to it. But I feel like it was kind of
cool that she was. Yeah, not what we expected, agreed.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And I also just while we're on that is it gaetok,
that's gytalk guy tok. I could not stand his character.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I thought he was but I mean it was hilarious
that he became a bodyguard in the end, because there's
no way that he would survive as a bodyguard at all.
The only reason he got that job was because he
was forced to shoot back to shoot Walter Goggan's character
like Rick, Like he only did it because that woman
was screaming at him like shoot.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Him sha several times. I think if I were to
give one bit of feedback, oh, I can't to Mike Hitet,
I needed far less mook and guytalk this seat past season. Yeah,
I would have loved to have seen more of the
girls or more of Parker Posey's character.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, I feel like he was ticking the box of
like showing the staff with those characters, but I feel
like there was more interesting staff characters, like the hotel
manager that performed like I would have preferred to maybe
follow his storyline a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I didn't like him either him, and you know, I
did wish I saw more of the Australian that Oh.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
My god, the news she's kiwi Yeah, that walks.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Around with the phone sack. She was hillearious, she was brilliant.
That sort of puts me into the next point that
people weren't happy about the fact that Gay Talk am
I saying his name right, Guy Talk welly Guy took
figured out who robbed the hotel, and that we didn't
get to see any more of that, But again, no
we don't. I don't need to see any more of that.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
But also I feel like, I mean, we love this show, like,
but it was the it ticks the box at the
end of episode seven when he was at the fight, yes,
and it all all came together and it was like,
oh my god, he's figured out who it is. He's
like that was the oh my god moment, and then
we didn't need that in a day because it was
more to come.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And back to what you said earlier, in real life,
that's what would have happened. A hotel employee would have
shut their mouth and not jeopardized their job or other
people's jobs. So they're not going to say anything. Again,
people have some just.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Don't get it. They just don't.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You just don't get it. Okay, that's all of the
points I wanted to go through of people being angry.
The next thing I wanted to ask about was how
you rate this season compared to the other three.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Okay, I feel like this is going to get a
lot of like, I mean, I don't know whether we'll
be aligned or not.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I think in third place, I'm the first season.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Season one.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
As much as I love it, it's like so I
haven't watched it actually in a while. I probably should
go back and watch it. I agree, But I just
feel like in terms of being iconic, I just feel
like it was the first season.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The first season never is.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like the best, and it wasn't as weird or like,
and there was way more characters, so.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
H there were so many more Sydney swinging Connie Britain
were iconic though. But I agree, yes, okay, in number
three we agree with that is yeah, season one.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, in second place. Yep, I put season.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Two, Oh I put season three.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
No. Yeah, I think season two was iconic, but I
think this season I loved it more because again third time,
like back, we know the vibe, we know what we're
getting in for, we know that it's going to be
a slow burn, and I loved that there was only
like four major characters, like four major groups of characters.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Do you think there were that much more in season two,
because I do feel like in season two I fell
a bit more in love with like your Theo, James's
Orbreu Plaza. Yeah, that whole friendship group. I got so
much out of it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
But that was four characters as opposed to like the
friends in this was three. I know it's only one difference,
but like, I just feel like there was way more
happening in that. Yeah, I know, its second season, and
I just felt like maybe the third was a little
bit more easy to follow in terms of like what
was happening, and I feel like were less loose ends.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But in this season as opposed to the second.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Okay, well, I feel like people would disagree with you
on that. The other reason I think season two trump
season three for me is I love Thailand, but the
location of Telmina, like the unbelievable the hotel was unmatched,
even just the entrance, like you'd have that like foyer
that they did a lot of scenes in yep, the
(16:23):
pool was stunning, and I think I just love Jennifer
Colidge on that boat at yeah, I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
How I could when she flipped off that boat, I
like pissed myself and Leo Woodle and the uncle and
then him him dumping the girl on the and then
going hand with his uncle on all fours. Alright, let's
finish with your favorite Victoria Ratcliff scene, Okay, I like
(16:50):
I have to go with the you want to Let
in Taiwan. I just feel like that was like unbelievable,
the Boodhism Piper no.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Like yeah, pis obviously.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Gone into the stratosphere.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I feel like the you want to Live in Taiwan
and then like honorable mention, this is a Victoria Radcliffe.
But I just feel like we can't do this podcast
without mentioning the Sam Rockwell monologue about Lady Boys and
touched on that, like that was that was perfection, like unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know, that was really really great. Mine would have
to have been from last night, and I forget when
she goes when he in the finale, Jason Isaac's character
stops making the smoothie yes and quickly shoves it all
out of their hands, those glasses, and then she says,
what did she What did she say about the wye?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
She was like, have you heard of wine?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Have you heard of wine? And then she tries to
saynkak like she stumbles over that, and I was just like,
that is just peak, like what Victoria rap character would be.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think she was a good Jennifer
Coolidge ultimate. I thought he Mike White did a good
job of like filling that void of.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Essentially ticking the boxes for all the gays want those
iconic lines. Yeah. There is just one other thing I
do want to bring up that I think people would
find interesting is that Mike White revealed in the official
podcast for The White Lotus that a scene was cut
in one of the final episodes in the finale actually,
and that was a scene with Piper losing her virginity
(18:30):
to Natasha's Natasha Rothwell's character Belinda's son z interesting Zion
zeon Yeah, Zion zion. I again, I think that was
the right move. I think is this innocent, lovable, sort
of nerd burger. I don't think we need to see
her losing a virginity.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And I think as I was saying that monologue that
she did about like not wanting to be poor, like,
I think that was enough.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
That was ever?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Was it? We didn't need?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, he was hot though he was he was kind
of annoying though.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was like, do you reckon? Yeah? I dug him.
I thought he was great. Alrighty, that's us done. I
am sure people have thoughts slide into our dms at
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Speaker 3 (19:22):
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